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Friday, November 02, 2007
Pat Buchanan :: Townhall.com Columnist
Sinking Currency, Sinking Country
by Pat Buchanan
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The euro, worth 83 cents in the early George W. Bush years, is at $1.45.

The British pound is back up over $2, the highest level since the Carter era. The Canadian dollar, which used to be worth 65 cents, is worth more than the U.S. dollar for the first time in half a century.

Oil is over $90 a barrel. Gold, down to $260 an ounce not so long ago, has hit $800.

Have gold, silver, oil, the euro, the pound and the Canadian dollar all suddenly soared in value in just a few years?

Nope. The dollar has plummeted in value, more so in Bush's term than during any comparable period of U.S. history. Indeed, Bush is presiding over a worldwide abandonment of the American dollar.

Is it all Bush's fault? Nope.

The dollar is plunging because America has been living beyond her means, borrowing $2 billion a day from foreign nations to maintain her standard of living and to sustain the American Imperium.

The prime suspect in the death of the dollar is the massive trade deficits America has run up, some $5 trillion in total since the passage of NAFTA and the creation of the World Trade Organization in 1994.

In 2006, that U.S. trade deficit hit $764 billion. The current account deficit, which includes the trade deficit, plus the net outflow of interest, dividends, capital gains and foreign aid, hit $857 billion, 6.5 percent of GDP. As some of us have been writing for years, such deficits are unsustainable and must lead to a decline of the dollar.

A sinking dollar means a poorer nation, and a sinking currency has historically been the mark of a sinking country. And a superpower with a sinking currency is a contradiction in terms.

What does this mean for America and Americans?

As nations realize that the dollars they are being paid for their products cannot buy in the world markets what they once did, they will demand more dollars for those goods. This will mean rising prices for the imports on which America has become more dependent than we have been since before the Civil War.

U.S. tourists traveling to the countries whence their ancestors came will find that the money they saved up does not go as far as they thought.

U.S. soldiers stationed overseas will find the cost of rent, gasoline, food, clothing and dining out takes larger and larger bites out of their paychecks. The people those U.S. soldiers defend will be demanding more and more of their money.

U.S. diplomats stationed overseas, students and businessmen are already facing tougher times.

U.S. foreign aid does not go as far as it did. And there is an element of comedy in seeing the United States going to Beijing to borrow dollars, thus putting our children deeper in debt, to send still more foreign aid to African despots who routinely vote the Chinese line at the United Nations.

The Chinese, whose currency is tied to the dollar, and Japan will continue, as long as they can, to keep their currencies low against the dollar. For the Asians think long term, and their goals are strategic.

China -- growing at 10 percent a year for two decades and now growing at close to 12 percent -- is willing to take losses in the value of the dollars it holds to keep the U.S. technology, factories and jobs pouring in, as their exports capture America's markets from U.S. producers.

The Japanese will take some loss in the value of their dollar hoard to take down Chrysler, Ford and GM, and capture the U.S. auto market as they captured our TV, camera and computer chip markets.

Asians understand that what is important is not who consumes the apples, but who owns the orchard.

Other nations that have kept cash reserves in U.S. Treasury bonds and T-bills are watching the value of these assets sink. Not fools, they will begin, as many already have, to divest and diversify, taking in fewer dollars and more euros and yen. As more nations abandon the dollar, its decline will continue.

The oil-producing and exporting nations, with trade surpluses, like China, have also begun to take the stash of dollars they have and stuff them into sovereign wealth funds, and use these immense and growing funds to buy up real assets in the United States -- investment banks and American companies.

Nor is there any end in sight to the sinking of the dollar. For, as foreigners demand more dollars for the oil and goods they sell us, the trade deficit will not fall. And as the U.S. government prints more and more dollars to cover the budget deficits that stretch out -- with the coming retirement of the baby boomers -- all the way to the horizon, the value of the dollar will fall. And as Ben Bernanke at the Fed tries to keep interest rates low, to keep the U.S. economy from sputtering out in the credit crunch, the value of the dollar will fall.

The chickens of free trade are coming home to roost.

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petro-dollars
The dollar is used to trade for oil. Practically all oil contracts are negotiated in dollars. There is approx. 15 trillion (with a T) dollars in existence. And over 90% of that is held outside of this country for oil trading aka petrodollars. If the value of he dollar falls too much or too fast, oil contracts will be negotiated in a stronger, more stable currency. Without an incentive to hold petro-dollars, this money will flood back into the US driving up the price of everything. We are going to wake up and not be able to afford to live in our own country. The seeds have been sown for our financial destruction.

The Great Depression was another example of the government destroying its people. The Fed was created in 1914. It printed money. It lowered interest rates which made borrowing cheaper. Banks loved it. The people loved it. The result was the Roaring 20's. The result was the depressed 30's. Fifteen years of cheap money caused over 7 years of negative growth. Through scientific economics we have perpetuated over 36 years of cheap money (since Bretton Woods failed in '71). How many years of indentured servitude will it take to correct this mistake?

Blame it on both D's and R's
The next catastrophic event to befall America will likely be economic in nature. The public debt used to finance our insane welfare programs and our insane foreign policy, is largely owned by Japan and China.

America has been living in a dream world, where you can get rich by selling someone your already-overpriced home. Or, by buying already-overpriced homes, then "flipping" them at a nice profit to the next, bigger fool, who in turn flips them again, on and on.

Until the whole Ponzi game collapses.

Both D's and R's are equally guilty. Both have endorsed the Federal Reserve System, foreign adventures, and welfare schemes for almost a century. Finally, the bill is about to come due. We won't be able to pay.

Soon, those million-dollar homes that sold originally for two hundred grand will be right back on the market for two hundred grand. After the dollar is devalued to its true market level, those $10 Chinese jeans at Walmart will cost $40. A tank of gas for that luxury SUV will cost $150.

The coming economic correction will make the Great Depression look like the good ol' days.

Jeremiah was thrown into a well
Because he kept up his message of gloom and doom.

I do not witness Buchannan as bitter man with an ax to grind. He has simply been honest and consistent with what he see as problem. He does bring some experience to have something to say.

If his message is accurate all the optimism in the world won't stop the decline of the US much like the rulers in Jeremiah's day.

In Jeremiah's day the rulers and the people left the Foundation of thier nation. "If the foundations are destroyed what can good men do?"

Shall Buchannan be thrown in a well because he doesn't tickle ears?

Is the US above the terminal problems that have plagued other nations? The people of Israel sure believed so in their day? The truth was merciless to them.

Jeremiah was doing his nation a service giving it an honest message. He was hated for it.

What Do You Think About That
There you go, Merrill Lynch is sending a note to their clients. Wall Street is signalling what is to come.

Oh yea, the housing market is in trouble, and the sub-prime morgage market has been hit hard. Merrill Lynch just fired (resigned) their CEO over billions in losses.

On Wall Street, no one likes a skunk at the garden party. But facing reality is always better than whistling after dark.

The point isn't doom and gloom. The point is to take stock, face reality, and take appropriate action to correct the situation.

America can do it.

But you have to recognize the problem first.

Which presidential candidates are raising these issues?

Like a fire bell in the night, Duncan Hunter is raising these issues.

Will he win? Regrettably, it doesn't look like it.

Instead, Giuliani is the front runner based on supposed 9-11 performance.

But what he told the 9-11 Commission was, "Before 9-11 I didn't know about Al-Quaeda."

I got a bad feeling.


It's not often
I even READ talent scout's posts, let alone agree with them, but on this occasion, he is right. If very late.

The USD is at a 25-year low against the pound. It has fallen by nearly HALF in five years against the Australian dollar.


Taps for the dollar

Is not just gloom and doom from the "doomsayers".


Merrill Lynch note to clients,

"We're in the beginnings of a global readjustment that will end the dollar's dominance as the 'gold standard' currency for the world's economies.

The dollar is likely entering a long, slow decline - followed by a crash," reports Financial Times.

http://www.swissamerica.com/article.php?art=10-2007/2007103 11119f.txt

China controls
If China were to dump just half it,s dollars onto the world market, would not this crash the U.S. economy? Who put this nation in such a vulnerable position?

Value of our Dollar
65,000 new jobs filled? Yes but by H-1B immigrants paid half what Americans would have been paid. Middle class jobs disappearing, $20/hr jobs now pay $10/hr.
Less income taxes being paid on lower incomes, our government wants to now include Mexican citizens in our Social Security. I will get a 2.3% raise on my Social Security, and some of you claim we have pay increases above inflation? Well diary products in California just went up 40%, gasoline here at $3.15/gal and going up about 10 cents each month. The devalued American dollar will soon be on par with the Mexican Peso at the rate we are going. Food in California up about 25% this last year, as increases in shipping have increased costs in the market.

I'm concerned with what China is going to do with those dollars. Japan owns auto manufactures in America, Sony owns Metro Goldwin Mayers, French companies own RCA and GE. How many gas stations seemed to be owned by Arabs? IBM sold it's computer business to Chinese company Lenovo, the Panama Canal now controlled by China on each end of the canal!, over and over I see our nation being sold. How many TV's do you see that are made in America? Toys from China, only cigarettes are made in America. WE gave Peru $3 Billion to learn to grow Asparagus, and closed farms and canneries in Washington State.

So why are so many reregistering as "Independents"? We are fed up, so elect Don Cordell for President in 2008

He's a nationalist
Thinks America is God's gift to the earth.

Buchanan flip flop
For years, the dollar was strong, which resulted in trade deficits. Buchanan said this was very bad. Now the dollar is weakening, helping exporters, and Buchanan says this is very bad for other reasons. Then, he says China and Japan are smart for keeping their currencies weak against the dollar! Buchanan is an idiot when it comes to economics.

I see it as the only answer
Old Man writes: 5:49 PM
The gold standard
It isn't the "answer," since it can be manipulated too and was when we were on it.
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ts:
I agree it was manipulated, but it was manipulated by bankers.
The bank panics of the early 1800's through the 1830's was caused by the greedy bankers who put out more paper than they had gold to back up.

That is what Jacksons war with bankers was all about.
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Old Man writes:

However, we do need a basis that is sound. Then we have to end the ability of central banks to control money supply and return it to a Congress that has to be responsible to the States which are then responsible to the people.
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ts:
Amen
That is exactly what needs to be done.
Remove the thieving bankers from having control over the economy and the value of "money".(fiat paper)
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Old Man writes:

Don't you find it interesting that the same year of the IRS and Federal Reserve they also passed an amendment to end the appointment of Senators by the States and have them "elected," so that they too, could lie to the people to get elected and promise them things they would have to raise taxes to pay for and/or borrow from Central Banks.
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ts:
I wish every American would get rid of the tv's and entertainment nonsense and study to learn what you point to.
Its the basis of all our monetary problems today

To True Conservative:
I'm glad there were 65,000 professional jobs added. Point well taken.

I will stand on the median income level going down. As long as total jobs go up, GDP growth will be rosy, but will not reflect the median wage earners buying power, therefore, standard of living. If you ride herd over the cattle, everything is good, but if you're one of the cattle, not so good.

Average Americans are feeling this effect.

TC, the fact is that in many product sectors, there is NO American substitute, Americans will have to pay more.

What, at this point, are our export services? Financial is the biggest. But with a devlued currency that is not the World Reserve Currency, that export service would be greatly diminished.

World Reserve Currency status gives us a license to print money. We don't have to balance our payments because other countries can spend Dollars independently of the U.S. In other words, the Dollar is used in third party transactions. If we had to balance our payments, America would be in big trouble.


Do trade deficits matter in the next 10 to 15 years? After all, it has only been in the last 10 to 15 years that America's trade deficit has expanded exponentially to the $800 billion level.

I agree on the oil completely.

I also agree on the present condition of the economy with the above stated caveats.

The question is about the future. Will there be a tipping point, where it will be to late to reverse policy, and, if so, shouldn't we take steps, now, to correct the structural imbalances in our economy that are unsustainable over the next 10 to 15 years?

In economic history, shocks and panics are the primary trigger mechanisms to unleash structural imbalances that were present in the economy at the time.

We have imbalances now, what will be the trigger?

Buchanan is a dolt
The falling dollar and consequent inflation is entirely to be blamed on a government under a Republican president and congress that hit the spending accelerator after 9/11. The billions spent for war and welfare state expansion have to be compensated for, and it's being compensated for by a lower valued dollar - inflation, printing money as an alternative to raising taxes, which, obvious is no alternative, since the economy is in decline anyway. Prescription drugs, wars in the Middle East, No Child Left Behind Act, subsidies to farmers and on and on. We don't get all this for free.

"The chickens of free trade are coming home to roost."

Naturally Buchanan doesn't entirely fault Bush. Because he agrees with him that the economy should not be free of government manipulation.

The gold standard
It isn't the "answer," since it can be manipulated too and was when we were on it.

However, we do need a basis that is sound. Then we have to end the ability of central banks to control money supply and return it to a Congress that has to be responsible to the States which are then responsible to the people.

Don't you find it interesting that the same year of the IRS and Federal Reserve they also passed an amendment to end the appointment of Senators by the States and have them "elected," so that they too, could lie to the people to get elected and promise them things they would have to raise taxes to pay for and/or borrow from Central Banks.

That is a generalization and it much more complex then that but, bottom line, we got sold out in 1913 after which even Pres. Wilson said,
quote:
"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."
Woodrow Wilson.

He was right.

Here is the heart of the problem
TrueConservative writes: 5:00 PM
Talent Scout
What is it with "gold" ... there's not enough gold in the solar system to monetize the vastly larger economies of today!
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Wrong
If it is so unimportant, why is it the bankers themselves are hoarding it?
They have all the paper they need, so why would they want any gold if it has no intrinsic value?
Gold is real money
Paper is the ghost of money.

You should do yourself a favor and study gold as money and where it has gone since FDR illegally outlawed it and turned over to bankers.

Who now will sell it back for around 800 fiat dollars an ounce. ha ha

Read up on the arguments surrounding the Bretton Woods agreement, and why the World Bank chose the US Dollar as its reserve currency.
GOLD (since removed and is why we now have both debt and inflation)


Harry Dexter White Papers, 1920-1955 (bulk 1935-1945).

Abstract:
Harry Dexter White (1892-1948) was an economist with expertise in international finance and monetary issues. White served in the United States Department of the Treasury from 1934 to 1946, rising to the position of Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, and was one of the principal architects of the Bretton Woods agreements in 1944 that established the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank. White's papers document his service in the Department of the Treasury and include correspondence and memoranda, notes, and writings.

http://diglib.princeton.edu/ead/eadGetDoc.xq?id=/ead/mudd/p ublicpolicy/MC140.EAD.xml





TrueConservative
Please tell me, that you were JOKING,when you jested about the "World Reserve Currency Status".WRCS gives any American business, doing business Internationally, almost a 9to10 % premium.When a business knows that it is dealing with a Bona-Fided entity,they might, take less to gain more in the long run. Also,when you speak about percentage of GDP,you can't use domestic Measurements to explain International activities.If you want to use the correct Measurement,it should be Gross National Product.Oh,but the government and OTHERS,don't want to use that measurement.WHY?Because it includes "ALL" DEBT.You know,like that $10 trillion dollars "US" OWE!If you are going to debate,lets be FAIR!

Talent Scout
What is it with "gold" ... there's not enough gold in the solar system to monetize the vastly larger economies of today! You would have a smaller relative amount of gold behind a growing economy that would drive up the price of gold to incredible levels [or do you still think it should be $35 an ounce?]. Gold is a metal, nothing more. The vast world economy can't be bound by the availability of some scarce metal with some artificial price set on it by ... what was that organization ... GOVERNMENT!

Also, tell me how isolating our economy and charging ourselves higher and higher amounts for whatever we produce will create a REAL wealth. Do you want to be paying $50,000 for a car that will break down in a year ... that's what we had, and I owned some of those cars! Our standard of living would be far lower than it is now. The rest of the world is becoming more capitalistic [having seen our example and finally realizing their socialist schemes will NOT produce wealth] and we need to become more so to stay ahead.

Open borders
knight_of_baawa writes: 4:20 PM
Old Man
Yes, when the boomers stop paying into social security, and start taking from it, the Ponzi Scheme that it is will be uncovered.
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Allowing in all the cheap labor is the bankers and politicians answer.

38 (?) million will retire?
Allow in 38 million to 150 million workers.
Just think of GW's open border policy and what is driving it, and who is supporting it.

Not the American people, but the bankers and corporations sure do.
And of course they own the politicians like GW Bush

Social Security
Finally, something I can agree with ... still, Bush tried to start the recovery from that looming disaster with the privatization proposal. It's liberals who are creating these messes with their never-ending spending plans, always above revenues, no matter how high the taxes. But this [Social Security] has been a well-known problem for a long time that makes the deficit look like losing your pocket change. As for the disaster ... at the worst, SS benefits will be paid with inflated dollars. The working people will not stand for the taxes necessary to keep that charade up after the bulk of the boomers retire ... and sometime, the American electorate will wake up and hunt the liberals who gave us that disaster down in the streets.

AS for the networks forecasting slowdowns, recessions, and depressions; their track record is abysmal and can be safely ignored. Of course, if you say it constantly; sooner or later you will be briefly right ... like a broken clock. I don't regard that as predictive ability!

Again, read Sowell, Williams, and Kudlow ... they are NOT worried, and neither am I on the evidence, not just on authority! But, elect a liberal president and a liberal congress and we will get what we had when Jimmy Carter was in office ... the last time the entire government was liberal controlled. THEN, we will truly envy these days!

Third World Nation
Yes, anyone with eyes to see knows we are becoming a Third World nation. Ostriches (or toadies ) may keep denying this, but people with an ounce of common sense see it getting worse every day.

As the dollar fades further into oblivion, look to our saviors to offer the "only viable solution" : the Amero. This is not conspiracy. Conspiracy means "with whispering." The powers that be are not whispering. They are spitting...right in our faces.

As this happens, some of you lick your lips and say ,"yummy." It won't taste so yummy when we are openly subject to foreign powers who don't give a squat about freedom, liberty, or human dignity. Prepare yourselves, lads and lasses. It's happening faster than you think, and it’s happening right under your spit-soaked nose.

Before 1913
The American Government had a vault full of gold, owning it all.

Since 1913 that gold has been slowly siphoned off and in its place we have certificates of debt.

This debt is at 9 trillion dollars, and is not the true debt cause it does not count all costs the government pays out to one debt or another.

This man puts it as good as can be said if we have any ears to hear with.
America is bring raped
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Total debt of $48 Trillion - - and the highest debt ratio in history.

That's $161,287 per man, woman and child - - or $645,148 per family of 4,
$45,514 more debt per family than last year.

Last year total debt increased $3.9 Trillion, 5 times more than GDP.
External debt owed foreign interests increased $1 Trillion;
Household, business and financial sector debt soared 9%.

72% ($35 trillion) of total debt was created since 1990,
a period primarily driven by debt instead of by productive activity.

And, the above does not include un-funded pensions and medical promises.

2 great questions:
Can the production of debt forever replace the production of goods and savings?
Can Americans forever borrow their way to prosperity?
Easy Answer > NO WAY !!

http://mwhodges.home.att.net/nat-debt/debt-nat.htm

What's different this time
Also you didn't have "sovereign wealth funds," set up to dodge the dollar, did you? You didn't have the nation owing MORE than it owns, did you? You didn't have manufacturing fleeing along with other business, did you? You didn't have a global market that is feeding off itself, finally, more than off the U.S. consumer, did you? You didn't have a $59 trillion unfunded liability facing today's workers, did you? You didn't have 78 million workers starting to retire and stop paying payroll taxes into trust funds, did you?

You didn't have several nations and terrorist organizations attacking us economically like they are, did you? The world bought from us, and we sold tot he world. Now we buy from the world and what we do export mostly, is not what U.S. consumers need to meet basic needs and that is different too.

In other words, at no time in the past have so many things been coming together and it is why the GAO has warned Congress 3 years in a row that we face a "gradual if not sudden loss of our standard of living."

As you see on the financial news networks here and overseas at night when you watch Asian news, you see more and more saying we are heading into A) a slowdown, B) or a Recession, C) or possible depression.

When? Maybe not until more of the 78 million stop paying payroll taxes. Maybe when some nation panic sells debt and the dollar and causes others to panic and sell. Maybe when the credit crisis plays out some more and housing prices drop some more drying up even more equity credit. Maybe when the credit cards are so maxed out they can't make minimum payments any more.

When is not as important as seeing the trend and reversing it and instead we are both in denial and not doing anything to reverse the trends.

I don't care if it doesn't happen for another 10 years, we know it is moving toward that and yet, aren't stopping it or even trying to at this point.

The blind leading the blind
So the 65,000 ne professional and business service jobs are somehow inferior to manufacturing jobs - I'll bet they pay considerably MORE! And since when is health care a government funded sector of the economy
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If read carefully, you will see that I referred to tax driven jobs in government spending like education and healthcare (Medicare and Medicaid spending). Where tax revenues are consumed, not created and created with borrowed money.

Regarding debt, yes, we have always had debt and had it rising but, not this fast nor did we have nations bailing out on our debt and refusing to buy as much. Nor did you have them un-pegging from the dollar or switching sales of oil to other currencies to dodge the dollar so they don't have to spend those dollars buying our debt.

When the dollar was collapsing the last necessitating our move to make a deal with OPEC where we would protect them if they sold oil in dollars, the price of Gold shot up and was an important indicator in the "faith" people had in the dollar and our ability to repay debt.


Jim from Oregon
I already addressed the "kind of jobs" in an earlier posting, but to refresh your memory; the 65000 professional jobs added in October alone, are probably BETTER paying than the manufacturing jobs lost. Also, AGAIN, if the dollar is devalued that makes OUR goods and services cheaper for the rest of the world to buy and their's more expensive meaning there is more incentive to use American products and services ... these things tend to self correct.

I am NOT buying that wages for median income jobs have gone down in the last six years. You can always find some liberal distortions of statistics to provide some support but the fact is we are better off - it's not just lawyers and hedge fund managers buying new cars, houses, and every other kind of product and improving their living standard.

Do trade deficits over time matter? I don't know what time period are you talking about. They don't seem to have mattered in the last 40 years or so; but then, that's just 40 years of evidence during which the same doom and gloom BS was pushed! When do you stop believing this crap?

Does World Reserve Currency status matter? What does it give us?

And finally, by almost any statistic, our economy is the envy of the world ... and it would be much better if we abandoned liberal ideas. For example, if we were now producing 1 to 2 million barrels of oil a day in ANWR would oil prices be well below $60 a barrel? Very likely that would be enough at the margins to stop the rampant speculation that is mostly driving up the price of oil ... get out and elect true conservatives and you might have a chance to improve an already good situation ... or maybe the idiots posting here long for a return to the Carter years when we had REAL economic problems instead of great real growth, low inflation, and low interest rates LIKE WE HAVE NOW!

TrueConservative
What do you think those recessions were? The piper got paid.

And you've just been pwnt!

Try again, economic illiterate.

To True Conservative:
Yes, jobs have increased. But you need to look at what kind of jobs they are. As I understand the statistics, most are lower paying service sector jobs.

Fact: But for CEO's and hedge fund managers and lawyers assisting in putting Wall Street deals together, wages for median income jobs have gone down between 2001-2007.

Is that a good fact for America?

Yes, devaluation does lead to more competitive exports, but in many product sectors, America has nothing to export because those sectors are already overseas.

True Conservative: Do trade deficits, over time, matter? Can we continually increase the trade deficit without consequence?

Actually, isn't Buchanan right to link the trade deficit to a devalued Dollar?

At what level of devaluation would World Reserve Currency status be threatened? What would be the consequence for America?

Answer these questions before you call everyone idiots.

Job creation is one important statistic, there are many other important statistics.

viruddh
Moral Fiber? I have no allusions when it comes to the nature of politicians. They all want power. Bush is not immune. But I will give him some credit for the courage of his convictions. He isn't as much of a wind-sniffing poll watcher as his predecessor.

Which is why I yearn to see us return to the limited governmental power structure intended by our nation's founders. And institute term limits to keep the career congress people from lapping up all those "earmarks" that would make a mob boss blush.

Individual freedom and liberty have been on the run far too long.

What I don't understand is why so many citizens -- grown men and women -- want the government to "do something" about every conceivable
"problem," and are more than willing to give up what should be their American birthright in the bargain.

All my life I believed we were a nation of freedom lovers. How naive.

Talent Scout and baawa
Go back 50 years [or more] and you hear the same old tired BS about the debt and "the piper needs to be paid" [to borrow a phrase]. Fifty years from now you will hear the same, now even more tired and untrue platitudes of the reactionary right! Do you guys borrow to buy your houses? Are you paying off the mortgage and steadily increasing your equity? Then don't give me this crap about every car being financed ... every car also is paid off! Nearly every business in this capitalist economy borrows money at some time or the other with the prospect that they will increase earnings MORE THAN ENOUGH to pay off the debt!

Where's the disaster you economic illiterates [to borrow another phrase] keep talking about ... it's ALWAYS just around the corner ... the corner that never seems to get here!

With the deficit now running ONLY 1% of GDP [thanks to the rapidly growing economy from the Bush and Reagan tax cuts], that's a burden that this economy can handle easily without breaking a sweat. But, keep dealing the gloom, guys! Meanwhile, I have bucks to make and don't have all day to spew economic ignorance around on web postings.

Unless we reverse course
I'd give us, oh, probably 5 - 15 years before we go through our own Soviet-style economic collapse.

Might take longer because an awful lot of productive private citizens will work hard to maintain the economy, but at some point the cost of our own socialism and foreign imperial policies will catch up to us.

TrueConservative
You should read Rothbard's work. It will show you that reasons that you're wrong.

And while there are some short-term increases in prosperity, the piper needs to be paid. If you think that you can just print money willy-nilly, perhaps you should go live in Zimbabwe, with an inflation rate of over 10,000% per month.

Have fun, economic illiterate.

Borrow borrow borrow
Thats what Americans do
Borrow

Borrow from bankers who own a press to print off paper called money.

Truer words were never spoken:


"It is a question, whether the circulation of paper, rather than of specie, is a good or an evil... I believe it to be one of those cases where mercantile clamor will bear down reason, until it is corrected by ruin." --Thomas Jefferson to John W. Eppes, 1813. ME 13:409


The clamor from such as TC and others do in fact bear down reason, and is bringing the ruin of what the circulation of paper always brings.
A return to its inherent value.

Nothing

knight of baawa
I don't need to read Mises [although I have] to just open my eyes and see the HUGE increases in prosperity around and to read economic data showing steady AFTER INFLATION increases in GDP. And yes, nearly everybody is participating in the growing economy!

If you can't participate in this economy with rampant opportunity you should go to Europe and live off the dole in those welfare states.

By the way, the slide in the dollar will turn out to be temporary as previous downturns did. The relative strength of the Euro vs. the dollar is completely bogus ... they are in effect, pricing themselves out of our markets while we take a larger share of theirs. It will not stand as it's completely idiotic like so many posters here today [along with the ever-negative Buchanan]!

I will be patient

Seeing how deep in ignorance you are.
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TrueConservative writes: Friday, November, 02, 2007 2:32 PM
Talent Scout
So now we're to go back to 1913 and see how the US has fallen so mightily since those halcyon days?
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ts:
No need to hype anything, I am beyond your ignorance.
I never said anything about "halcyon days".
I speak directly to when the system was taken over by private bankers.
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TrueConservative writes:

Look around you idiot ...
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ts:
You mean for idiots? Its plain with you being here, one is present.
No need to look any further than you.

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TrueConservative writes:
we WON TWO world wars, the cold war, became the ONLY superpower, have an economy that's the envy of the world ... since at least 1945 and you think we've been going to hell in a handbasket since 1913?
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ts:
More hype
I never said that did I, you are saying that, not me.
You do not understand credit and riches, its that simple.
We live on credit, not riches.
You understand what the word debt means?
Obviously you do not, or you intentionally support theft by this system.

You making out siding with the bandits are ya?
Still theft anyway.
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TrueConservative writes:
Nearly everybody has a far higher standard of living than their parents, not to mention their grandparents ...
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ts:
This entire system is based in debt, and people have used up all its credit the world is going to allow.
Anyone can live high off a credit card, for awhile.
Pay-off is coming soon, just as Pat pointed out in his article.
You will not escape it either.
Every home, every vehicle out there is borrowed and payments are made to bankers, who just create the debt.

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TrueConservative writes:
...... Maybe, you should join the SANE so you can recognize reality!
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ts:
Poor baby
Reality is going to slap you extra hard one day soon.

Old Man
What IS it with you Buchananites seeing everything negative. So the 65,000 ne professional and business service jobs are somehow inferior to manufacturing jobs - I'll bet they pay considerably MORE! And since when is health care a government funded sector of the economy - the liberals failed to take over that and turn it into a stagnant, incompetent sector ... like in England where over 50% of their doctors have to be imported from 3rd world foreign sources! Are those private sector jobs worse than manufacturing jobs? Are you still upset that we don't have 90% of the economy involved in farming like we used to ... all those agricultural jobs gone forever; but somehow we have the cheapest food on the planet!

As for the borrowing, I've been hearing about the debt for over 50 years now and guess what ... it's as low as a percent of GDP as it's been for a long time. It's like a mortgage payment ... if you can easily make the payments, it's not a problem. Can you idiots EVER get into the real world? I guess not.

TrueConservative
I suggest you read this:

http://www.mises.org/money.asp

What Has Government Done To Our Money, by Murray Rothbard

How to fix the problem
1. Eliminate the federal reserve system

2. Eliminate fractional-reserve banking

3. Go back to a gold standard and put the dollar at, say, 1/800oz of gold (right about where it is now).

4. Let the recession happen. It's the only way to clear out the malinvestments.

Bad job growth report
Nonfarm employment…………….….+166,000
…Goods-producing……………………...…-24,000
………..Construction ……………………… -5,000
………..Manufacturing ………………….…-21,000
….Service-providing (1)…………..+190,000
…….Retail trade (2)………………………..-22,000
…..…Professional and business services … +65,000
…….Education and health services .…..… +43,000
….….Leisure and hospitality ………….…. +56,000
……Government …………………..……. +36,000
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/news.release/empsit.txt
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So we need 150-160,000 just to keep up with population growth and after months of not even doing that, claim a 6,000 to 16,000 job increase over that is great news?

Or how about the fact that report says we lost more jobs in manufacturing, construction and retail while increasing jobs that depend on tax revnues like in healthcare, education and government employment.

At least we are drinking more so we can numb the pain of losing our manufacturing jobs.

We borrow to spend on government employment, government subsidies, government contracts, government funded social programs and then when some of that borrowed money that pays the salary is returned as tax on salaries, say tax revenues went up? That like me giving you a dollar and you give me 20 cents back and I claim I made money.

We are living in a maze of smoke and mirrors created by both parties over the last several decades. The smoke is so dense you can't even see reality and neither party is telling us what reality is.

Talent Scout
So now we're to go back to 1913 and see how the US has fallen so mightily since those halcyon days?

Look around you idiot ... we WON TWO world wars, the cold war, became the ONLY superpower, have an economy that's the envy of the world ... since at least 1945 and you think we've been going to hell in a handbasket since 1913?

Nearly everybody has a far higher standard of living than their parents, not to mention their grandparents ... what are you smoking TS? If YOU don't have a decent standard of living in all this opportunity and wealth then I suggest you look AT YOURSELF! Maybe you should become a banker so you can also enjoy the spoils! Maybe, you should join the SANE so you can recognize reality!

Fiscal Irresponsibility
Our currency is rapidly becoming Monopoly money as the U.S. continues to borrow money to pay for the war in Iraq. Americans traveling overseas will be paying $ 10.00 for a cup of coffee. Foreign imports will continue to get more expensive. We have an economic imperative now and a moral imperative to conclude our presence in Iraq. The constant escalation of our military budget is gradually bankrupting the country. No matter who takes over in January 2009, there will be an economic mess to clean up. Tax increases are highly likely. The party is over folks. Living beyond our means through borrowing doesn't work in our private lives and it doesn't work in government at least not in the long run. Just ask Great Britain. Two world wars made them a second class power. The U.S. is next up if it doesn't get its fiscal house in order.

It's up to us now
Please keep in mind the international perspective that the UN is documenting improvements in every area they measure the way of life of people everywhere in the world, due to the fall of communism. Please Pat Buchanan go and smoke another joint and give the US a chance to be the capitalist shining city on the hill for a few years. You simply don't know the extreme contrast between N. Korea and S. Korea. Between E. Germany and W. Germany. Between Cuba and Miami. The levels of suffering everywhere in the world that were under the lies of communism are beyond your comprehension. If you believe in capitalism it is your brief moment to be a missionary. We are exporting a lot more than jobs. This is not hypothetical, it is about reducing suffering everywhere in the world, until everybody gets caught up in the next big lie.

People do not grasp what you are talking

About
Thats because they simply do not understand how our money system itself is the real thief.
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killer writes: 1:11 PM
GLOBALIZATION
Secretary of the Treasury,Mr. Paulson,was asked by(ME)last year.What would happen, if the Chinese stopped taking dollars or dumped "ALL" dollar denominated investments?He would not answer!The things I say on (TH) are not without factual data.I simply cannot share everything with this site.Half empty or half-full is no longer the ISSUE.The issue is,whose holding the GLASS?"US" are ALL AMERICANS!!!
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NO!
We do not have any control over our own welfare any longer, ours and our children's have been, and are now owned by such countries as Red China.
Just one of them though.
True, it works to their benefit to not dump dollars, but they do have this power to do that and it would send this country into a tail spin so bad the Great Depression would seem like heaven.

This destruction of the dollar is by intent and it amazes me how many are supporting it and think its a good policy for the USA.




killer
Actually the America I knew and loved has disappeared three times since 1964. I have always somehow managed to learn to know and love the next incarnation, but not to get attached to it because the only advantage old age has to it, that I can see, is the sure knowledge that nothing lasts forever.

Or as the French say, tout lasse, tout casse, tout passe. (Everything gets boring, evreything breaks, everything goes away.)


What a mess
Buchanan's economic ideas, that is. It's hard to tell what he understands or doesn't. But it seems clear he doesn't realize that America's wealth, and our commensurate human tendency to leverage that wealth to regulate our social and physical environment, is much of the reason we have priced ourselves beyond the investment (or consumption) capacities of most of the world.

The buy-in "price" to invest in America is high, compared to the price elsewhere. Our relatively high corporate tax rate is part of that. Add to it our heavily-regulated business environment, from local taxes to worker compensation to environmental regs, and you have one of the costliest business environments on the planet.

This makes the goods we produce expensive, to the rest of the world, and it makes investing in America expensive. For Americans, however, our regulations provide non-economic payoffs like cleaner air, re-timbered forests, maintenance of wild heritage lands, and the social "safety net" (unemployment distributions, government-funded hospitals, vaccination programs, etc).

We assign ourselves to pay for those things through every consumer purchase we make -- and we can do that, and buy all the gas we want when it's $90 a barrel too. Pat looks at one indicator, and says this is a bad thing. If we really wanted the dollar to climb back up versus other currencies, more than we wanted anything else, we'd lower our corporate tax rate to zero and unload all our costly social and environmental regulations.

Save yourself, and your breath

My knowledge does not allow me to take the advice of a fool, as you show yourself to be.






TrueConservative writes: Friday, November, 02, 2007 1:09 PM
Talent Scout
You had best adhere to the sage advice of keeping your mouth [and keyboard] quiet lest all doubt of your foolishness be removed ... oops, too late!

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You go read the US Constitution and how it all worked up and til 1913 and the ensuing slow rape of America by bankers and politicians.

You have been scammed and too ignorant of the facts to even know where you are, let alone anyone else.

Cassandra
I'm reminded of the Greek myth about Cassandra who could foretell disastrous events but was cursed so that no one would believe her. Pat Buchanan has the vision to see where we are headed if our leaders don't have the foresight, bravery and strength to change course.

It's not a problem to make mistakes..like the Free Trade agreements..the big problems come when they aren't identified as mistakes and corrected.


Not all good.
The contradiction of some of these comments is that whereas the dollar is weakening, the trade deficit is not declining. In sum, the theory that a cheaper dollar boosts imports may have some credibility, but it's not showing up in any meaningful way concerning trade deficits. Obviously, other things are also transpiring. For example, we buy 40% of our oil abroad, and it has become progressively more expensive as the dollar has declined. Secondly, China does not float her currency. As such, she has a 40% discount that overcomes our currency devaluation. Thirdly, countries continue to protect key industries - regardless of free trade rules. We still, for example, import more food than we export - even though we have the largest ag industry in the world - and the price we pay for those imports is rising. In sum, a cheap dollar does not necessarily have as much impact on trade as we want to believe it has - or will have. The weak dollar has other downsides as well. The world is increasingly switching away from the use of the dollar because it is too volatile. Countries who finance our debt are beginning to talk about demanding that the fed increases it's interest to offset the fact that the dollars do not pay the return given the devaluation. This will increase our debt payments. Too much is made of the idea that a weak dollar is good. From where I sit, that's a rather poor argument. We used to be glad that we had a strong dollar. Bragged about it - in fact.

GLOBALIZATION
Secretary of the Treasury,Mr. Paulson,was asked by(ME)last year.What would happen, if the Chinese stopped taking dollars or dumped "ALL" dollar denominated investments?He would not answer!The things I say on (TH) are not without factual data.I simply cannot share everything with this site.Half empty or half-full is no longer the ISSUE.The issue is,whose holding the GLASS?"US" are ALL AMERICANS!!!

Talent Scout
You had best adhere to the sage advice of keeping your mouth [and keyboard] quiet lest all doubt of your foolishness be removed ... oops, too late!

So now it's the "quality" of the jobs ... funny how the average income keeps going up faster than inflation! Funny how if the dollar is weak, that only makes a difference in FOREIGN trade, not in commerce WITHIN the US. Should lead to much more incentive to manufacture and buy US made products ... which I thought you were FOR? Read Sowell and Williams before opening your mouth on economic issues ... advice that Buchanan might well heed also!

THradio, CCCsage
It is true that both parties have duped the American poeple for far too long. We have allowed ourselves to be bought off with pork barrel projects and unlimited entitlements. The Constitution has been ignored, and the elites that run the show look at us with disdain.

Still, we are a nation of people who have a spirit that does not quit, and we not only can, but we will rebound. Our enemies may hold a lot of our money, but the old proverb from the Bible states that the "lender is slave to the borrower", because if he wants to recoup his loan, he must keep the borrower alive and well.

Our best hope for getting things back into perspective is to start right at the top and in 2008 deny the elites that which they desire above all else, the Presidency. If we do that, with the proper conservative principles set in motion, we can reclaim the birthright the elites have stolen from us and restore the Constitution to its rightful place.

I urge all to check out my website, JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG, and see exactly how we can stop the politicians and reclaim what belongs to us and our children. Thanks, Joe

Killer
A organization from another country who buys an
American company does not automatically have the
right to bring in their own people. Don't get
carried away here.

That said, the chances that we will allow them
to bring in their own people are pretty close
to 100%.

Here ya have it
patriotdefender writes: 12:41 PM
salt-2
The dollar against the euro is growing the exports to Euro Countries...and hence, growing our economy....
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Devaluation means one thing on the bottom line.
The purchasing power goes down.

Everything any one says about that is from where he stands to gain from this loss of purchasing power.
Hope all understand some benefit from this raping of American riches, just not good for the average person is all.


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patriotdefender writes:


Though it could indicate economic weakness,
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ts:
Could?
One mans loss is another's gain, right.
So the masses get raped and lose while some prosper, and is what this government/banker/corporation forced policy does.
They make out like bandits, cause they really are bandits.

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patriotdefender writes:
we are not weak. But negative thinkers and non fact lovers will argue it till hell freezes over...it a BDS symptom.
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ts:
Anyone ever tell you, you are full of bs?
If not, allow me to

goatlocker
Why do you think the W adminsitration has pursued a weak dollar policy? Because he hates prosperity? Or to help in job creation?

+++++

I don't know if he actively pursued a weak
dollar policy but he certainly got it when he
decided that the next generation could pay for
his dirty little war, not this one. Wasn't it
his dad who said "no new taxes" and then gave us
new taxes and lost the next election. I guess
Sonny decided that winning that election was
the most important thing in the world, so he wouldn't ask voters/tax payers of this decade
to foot the bill. Leave it to those who will come after his two terms are done.

Don't you love his moral fiber?

How true
As someone who travels to Europe two or three
times a year, I know just how fast these Euro is
rising against the dollar. In fact, it is rising
so fast that it is scaring some of the countries
over there, realizing that US markets are drying
up for them, including potentially the tourist trade, which so many rely on heavily.

There are two economic issues that I just don't
understand every time I come onto Town Hall, and
to a lesser extent to news in the media. One is
that we are in pretty good financial shape.
What, in heavens name, does that mean? In spite
of Reaganomics lingo/jingo - deficits do matter!! We are not saving in our own personal accounts and the government had a huge deficit - probably the biggest ever. What is there to like or feel comfortable about this picture?

The second economic issue is that we are all told
repeatedly by posters and some columnists
how poor and desparate the "socialist" countries
are, presuming they are talking about the European countries, which they are.

Whatever financial problems they have (and we
all have some, us included) they are going as strong as we are and with more obstacles - higher gas prices, less birth rate growth, stronger unions and higher minimum wages,lot more paid time off with holidays of up to six weeks). To read many of the posters you would
thing they were still in the post-war mode.

Our isolationism, by virtue of geography if
nothing else, is making us a very ignorant and
gullible nation.

salt-2
The dollar against the euro is growing the exports to Euro Countries...and hence, growing our economy.... Though it could indicate economic weakness, we are not weak. But negative thinkers and non fact lovers will argue it till hell freezes over...it a BDS symptom.

salt
A key effect of devaluation is that it makes the domestic currency cheaper relative to other currencies. There are two implications of a devaluation. First, devaluation makes the country's exports relatively less expensive for foreigners. Second, the devaluation makes foreign products relatively more expensive for domestic consumers, thus discouraging imports. This may help to increase the country's exports and decrease imports, and may therefore help to reduce the current account deficit.

A significant danger is that by increasing the price of imports and stimulating greater demand for domestic products, devaluation can aggravate inflation. If this happens, the government may have to raise interest rates to control inflation, but at the cost of slower economic growth.

Another risk of devaluation is psychological. To the extent that devaluation is viewed as a sign of economic weakness, the creditworthiness of the nation may be jeopardized. Thus, devaluation may dampen investor confidence in the country's economy and hurt the country's ability to secure foreign investment.

Another possible consequence is a round of successive devaluations. For instance, trading partners may become concerned that a devaluation might negatively affect their own export industries. Neighboring countries might devalue their own currencies to offset the effects of their trading partner's devaluation. Such "beggar thy neighbor" policies tend to exacerbate economic difficulties by creating instability in broader financial markets.

Jobs?
The question is:
What jobs are being created?
Jobs that a family can be supported by?

First lie is saying government creates jobs to begin with.

They do, but only with-in a growing government.
Government does not create jobs and only the stupid statists and collectivists of socialism would believe that.
NAFTA, CAFTA, WTO, FTAA and all such programs are government FORCED TRADE POLICY,for the BENEFIT of International bankers and coroporations,period.

And some of these nitwits dare call themselves a conservative, ha ha.

If so, I am taking myself out of the category of conservatism.



From the one who has been scammed
And one who cannot possibly understand how the US Constitution has been raped by bankers and politicians, he comes to crow about what a good deal it all is, lol.
That is the fact and he does not even seem to be aware of it.
He sounds like a Madison Avenue salesman himself, hyping his product, calling this scam a good thing.

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TrueConservative writes: 12:06 PM
Talent Scout [and other idiots]
FACT: The economy is growing rapidly and has been since the Bush tax cuts.

FACT: Jobs have been growing rapidly and have been since the Bush tax cuts.

What world do you idiots live in?

To Pat-What are you suggesting?
Pat:
I thought your article laid out the current state in a clear manner, but you didn't say where we should go from here. Here are some suggestions: (1) This past FOMC cut to 4.5% should be the last cut, period!; (2) Our President should be much more aggresive in Federal budget spending cuts; (3) Aggresive pursuit of domestic oil production is in order (ANWR get ready!); (4) biofuel production should be limited to unedible vegetation; (5)free trade is not the problem that porous borders are!; (6) reduce government regulation of the domestic auto industry and they will either make better cars (because its profitable) or go out of business trying; (7) limit trade and technology transfers with China until they open up on religious freedom.
As some commentators have already said, America is not the same country it was 40 years ago. But I think the glass is half full and can get better if those who remember how it use to be speak up (and teach their children & grandchildren). As Bill Bennett has titled his latest work, America [is still]The Last Best Hope!

My dear fellow
TrueConservative writes: 12:03 PM
Talent Scout
I see your another representative of the IDIOTS posting today ... I quoted FACTS, you quoted NOTHING. Typical of you liberals who never have any data to back up your emotional responses to everything!
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You leave out every fact and claim you use fact? lol
You sir an a complete moron, and you are deeply ignorant of where the problem comes from.

You are like the little old lady who got scammed by a blue suede siding salesman, and think you got a good deal.
Now go on and tell all how great you got it

Talent Scout [and other idiots]
FACT: The economy is growing rapidly and has been since the Bush tax cuts.

FACT: Jobs have been growing rapidly and have been since the Bush tax cuts.

What world do you idiots live in?

Talent Scout
I see your another representative of the IDIOTS posting today ... I quoted FACTS, you quoted NOTHING. Typical of you liberals who never have any data to back up your emotional responses to everything!

When America
Changed course from the Constitutional method for payment of debt and the collection of taxes in 1913, this day was the unavoidable end.

Giving power of both the money supply and the economy, to private bankers, who have no country, only love of money.

This is not about democrat or republican, right or left, or even about trade.
Its rich v poor


It is about the same powers that dates back to the beginning of America, whom Jefferson had much to say about.

Wilson summed up the problem
When he said this:

"A great industrial Nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our
system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the Nation and all our
activities are in the hands of a few men.

We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely
controlled and dominated Governments in the world - no longer a
Government of free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and
vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of
small groups of dominant men".

"(Just before he died, Wilson is reported to have stated to friends that
he had been "deceived" and that "I have betrayed my Country". He
referred to the Federal Reserve Act passed during his Presidency.)"

These men rule America today and are taking all its riches and the people ignorantly support it

ECONOMICS

.....Pat ...

.....Have you checked your economic expertise with Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell? ...

.....You always make it sound so simple but when I read their articles, (both have Phd's in Economics), their explanations are always so much more nuanced and complex than yours .....COLOSSUS

You sir, are the true idiot
TrueConservative writes: Friday, November, 02, 2007 11:19 AM
IDIOTS RAMPANT
So many idiots posting, including the idiot, Buchanan!
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You do not have a clue

PAT'S ARTICLE AN ENDORSEMENT OF ROMNEY?

.....Pat ...

.....Are you endorsing Romney or Paul? ...Romney a successful businessman as opposed to Bush who failed at every business venture he ever tried ...

.....Romney who has said that we should get out of the UN while Bush has been pushing LOST and NAU and has become a Globalist and wants to adopt the AMERO to replace the dollar? ...

.....Paul shares your isolationist views ...where does he stand on FREE trade vs FAIR trade ....did he support NAFTA? .....COLOSSUS

Saddam
Prior to our invasion of Iraq, I had heard or read that Saddam had abandoned the dollar in favor of the euro. Supposedly he had valued his oil in euros and would only accept euros in payment. Any truth to this?

You must admit it would be a reason to kick him.

Does any country in the ME still have ties to the dollar other than Israel? Would they if we didn't pay them?

If it is the plan of the administration it would seem to have but one objective; creation of the amero. We all know it's coming. Bush wants it during his administration.

TAKE A PICTURE....
If you live in America today and plan to STAY,please take a picture,so that you will have something to show your grand kids.The America we know and LOVE, is being changed before "US" very eyes!The sad thing about a "WEAK" dollar is,that we loose control of "US" borders once again.We have a problem, that is being exacerbated beyond our ability to comprehend and control.A Chinese, that buys an American company has the right to bring in, it's own people to operate said company.This scenario holds true for Saudi Arabia,Turkey,Japan,Mexico,ad infinitum.As Mr.Buchanan said,"THE CHICKENS OF FREE TRADE,are COMING HOME TO ROOST".How SAD!!!!TERRORISM is changing definition!

Banks - be honest
Are you so blinded by your hate for Bush that you cannot admit the obvious? Politicians from BOTH parties, over the course of the past 40 years, have contributed to the fix we are in today. It is so ironic that the famous phrase "ask not what your country can do for you" ushered in the exact opposite result. The majority of Americans now reflexively ask "What can you do for me?" instead of "How can I help myself and others?" We have been deluded into this fantasy that the Nanny State will take care of us and all of our problems. In exchange for votes, our elected politicians, both Red and Blue, promise to ease our pains, and they create endless, expensive government programs to do so. We may have started down this road with the best of intentions (Social Security, etc.) but the plain truth is that socialism does not work in the long run because you end up with more people taking from the system than are contributing to this system. When you can no longer afford to pay cash for your lavish lifestyle, then you have to borrow. This applies to countries and individuals alike. Americans (thanks to Democrat and Republican elected representatives) now borrow billions every day to support our lifestyle, and in so doing, we become more and more indebted to foreign powers. And you want to say its all Bush's fault. Grow up and try seeing things as they really are.

LILLY

.....I see that you enjoyed Pat's column ...bad news always excites you Dem/Lib/Socialists ...

.....Did you have to change your depends after reading the article? .....COLOSSUS

IDIOTS RAMPANT
So many idiots posting, including the idiot, Buchanan! The economy is rolling along [any of you morons ever read Kudlow?]. We are about the ONLY first world country ADDING huge numbers of jobs ... what gives Pat, I thought they were all going overseas yet in October, announced just this morning, jobs increased by 166,000 or about 100,000 more than expected with unemployment at a low 4.7% by historical standards. This has continued from the DAY of the Bush tax CUTS you fools!

As for the Bush hating Pat's assertion that the Japanese are just waiting to take over the US auto industry ... try MAKING BETTER CARS. Most people would be happy to buy from US automakers if the cars were equal in reliability ... hell, even close to as reliable!

Drowning Dollar
To suggest that the devaluation of the dollar will grow domestic productivity and exports is ludicrious. the phenomenon Pat has been trying to warn us against for decades, has occurred; the manufacturing base has left the building. Ther infrastructure has largely been dismantled. A favorably low currency at this point does us no favors.

the Fed being linked up with european central banks and globally is not worried about our parochial economic crisis. Foreign Affairs journal, the mouthpiece for the CFR, sharing this global perpsective has advocated setting up gold as an international currency. While this may appear to be the only viable solution, it will require further erosion of our sovereignty. A few like Pat and Ron Paul may have concerns about surrenderring national autonomy to global entities, most of the populace has been sufficiently innoculated against such domestic, parochial, petty, local worries. We don't like responsibility anyway. We like Big Brother so much it's now time for Giant Brother!

Fantasy
One reason the food costs have gone up is because of this fantasy of biofuels and most biofuels made in the US come from corn. A con pushed by the growers and their pols in places like Iowa, which just happens to be the first stepping stone to the White House.

The steep rise in corn prices has caused milk prices to skyrocket (since corn feeds dairy cows) and beef prices to rise (because corn feeds beef calves too) and it has also continued to imporvish rural Mexico which leads to more illegal immigration, first, Mexican and American elites destroyed the rural Mexican economy using NAFTA as cheap American corn put small rural Mexican growers out of business and now biofuels has caused the price of corn to go through the roof.

Oil is an issue (and priced higher than there is demand to support it--it will fall back), but not as the biofuel scam.

Currency inflation has always been...
--
...Republican Party policy.

They started out as the Whig Party, and have always supported the "American System" economic plan.

Remember the movie *Young Mr. Lincoln* (1939)? There's a scene where Henry Fonda's character is running for Congress and making a porch speech about how "You all know me..." and what he stands for.

He was running as a Whig, though it's not mentioned in the movie. Basically, Fonda outlines the American System, including "a national bank, the internal improvement system, and a high protective tariff."

A "national bank" is what the Federal Reserve was created to be.

A "national bank" exists for one real purpose and one purpose only.

That's the issue of intrinsically worthless (unbacked "fiat") paper currency.

The Republicans - like the Whigs and the Federalists before them - have always done their best to push the "national bank" concept so that they could inflate the money supply through this kind of "legal" counterfeiting.

The Democrats (most notably Andrew Jackson and Grover Cleveland) had opposed this Federalist / Whig / Republican thievery throughout the 19th Century, until 1896, when William Jennings Bryan led the Populist takeover that manifests today in the socialistic "Liberal" / Progressive / Nanny-State feculence that makes the Democrats *worse* than the Republicans have always been.

That, kiddies, is how we've gotten to federal fiscal policy as it presently festers.


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Imported Inflation
Us Chinese have a saying about the 4 main ingredients of the cost of living - clothing, food, accommodation, and transport.

Looking more carefully, weak US$ impacts lives and cost of living chiefly in manufactured goods import and oil import.

Cost of basic clothing is ridiculously cheap (not counting designer label). At whatever realistic exchange rate, basic clothing (and shoes) from Asian imports will still be cheap and not a significant inflation problem.

As for other imports, if through a big drop in US$ we all learn to buy fewer iPods, HDTV and endless gadgets which get thrown away after a season, that is a good and long overdue national therapy. (And will help correct trade imbalance.)

I think what hurts Americans (probably the whole world other than the oil exporting countries) are the high oil prices.

High energy costs affect gasoline and household energy costs obviously. High oil prices also eventually affects all the raw material which go into manufactured goods, and the whole food chain: transportation of feedstock, food processing and distribution, pesticide and fertilizer, etc, etc. So eventhough America is blessed with abundance and efficiency in food production, food cost has risen sharply during the last few years (when oil price went from the 30's to 90's).

So this country needs energy indepedance more than ever.

Legal immigrant


Troops
In the article Pat makes this statement "The people those U.S. soldiers defend will be demanding more and more of their money." Outside of Iraq and Afghanistan and perhaps Korea, the US troops aren't defending anyone. They are there to pursue US interests.

In Japan for example, the US troops aren't there to protect the Japanese from anyone. They are there to project US power into the region--a forward position in case there is a crisis in Korea or in the Taiwan Straits, which was exactly the role Japan played in the Korean War.

Even during the cold war, US troops in Japan were deployed in a way that made it clear they were not there to protect the Japanese. The assumed threat to Japan was the Soviets, but US troops weren't deployed on Hokkaido or northern Honshu but the majority of the troops were deployed 2000 miles to the south on Okinawa. In a war with the Soviets, Japan's SDF would have been expected to do most of the fighting in the first weeks of the war. So his statement isn't exactly accurate.


Spot on Nessus
And Hillary is a supporter of the NAFTA type agreements.

nation all but gone...
We are selling our national heritage as a free and independent nation. Selling it because of "free trade", "outsourcing", etc.

When we can't manufacture much of anything, when we can't even grow our own food, we have become a weak-willed, dependent country, dependent on communist China for food and manufactured products and 7th century Islamic radicals for oil.

With Jorge "open borders" Bush, Larry Kudlow, Michael Medved preaching continued open borders, so called "free trade", lack of tariffs on imported goods, currency manipulation, the LOST treaty, we have been neutered. Bye-bye Miss American Pie.

nation all but gone.....
We are selling our national heritage as a free and independent nation. Selling it because of "free trade", "outsourcing", etc.

When we can't manufacture much of anything, when we can't even grow our own food, we have become a weak-willed, dependent country, dependent on communist China for food and manufactured products and 7th century Islamic radicals for oil.

With Jorge "open borders" Bush, Larry Kudlow, Michael Medved preaching continued open borders, so called "free trade", lack of tariffs on imported goods, currency manipulation, the LOST treaty, we have been neutered. Bye-bye Miss American Pie.

High Prices
$100 oil. $800 gold. Somebody once said, no man
can throw a brick so high that it won't come back
down.

Dolly, Get Real
The problems with our economy cannot be laid at the feet of either the Repubs or the Demos. It is an American problem. We are addicted to low prices and spending beyond our means. We act like spoiled children, as if there is no tomorrow. Tell me, dear Dolly, how much have you saved for retirement? Have you paid off you house and your cars? Are you debt free? If you have, you are in an extremely small minority (2% or less?).

We are all spending like drug addicts needing another fix, and politicians on both sides of the aisle are handing out free needles. We are not prepared for the future, and when it hits us between the eyes, I'm sure there will be Dollys in abundance saying "It was all Bush's fault."

Give me a break . . .

Pat's investment advise
Is Pat advising investing overseas? A falling Dollar means assets and foreign earnings get an added benefit when they are translated back into Dollars for their US owners.

Since Pat hates foreign trade, where would the value of the Dollar be if nobody needed it? Also, I seem to recall Pat had a column complaining about a stronger Dollar killing off US manufacturing jobs and the low-skilled, high school education middle class jobs.

Here in Kanukistan
we are delighted that the American dollar has dropped -- and we are flooding across the border in massive numbers to shop. Your economy should get a big jump at Christmas, as the Canadian prices on the same goods are from 25 to 40% higher than the American prices anyway, and now the bargains are irresistable. Our government is posturing and squawking (and advising us to *shop Canadian*) but doing nothing, because our GST (Goods and Services Tax) is 17% and they are Raking In The Dough from people not close enough to the border to take advantage.

Of course this is one reason why 80% of the population of Canada lives within two hours of the border, I guess.

Anyway, America will get a big bounce from the Christmas Shopping Canadians, who can save up to $1,000 on an HDTV for one example, and $200 on a set of pots and pans, just by driving two hours and staying over night in a nice hotel. Meanwhile, the Canadian casinos which self-righteously banned smoking (causing a 25% drop in custom immediately) are losing money for the government wholesale and retail now that the dollar balance has tilted in our favour. We gambling Canadians appreciate the space.

Not Equal at the top
As with all such endeavors, the free trade agreements are another way to 'level' the playing field. The only way most of the backward countries could compete is if we just stop producing. The decision has been made. We will be equal with the average.

There is no recorded evidence of an attempt to make people equal where the equality came at the top. Always at the bottom and eventually, 'average'.

But we don't want to hurt feelings, so as Mr. Spock would say, 'The good of the many outweigh the good of the one.' We are the one and the rest of the world, the many. Welcome to the world of average. It has been coming for a long time.

Who to believe
Two or three days ago I read an article by a financial columinst about how the economy was doing well. Today we read by a political analyst that it is doing poorly.

It all depends on the benchmarks you use and the point of view from which you are comming. Mr Buchanan complains because the dollar is down against several other currencies. He is correct in the fact that imports from these countries will cost more.
However, this will make products produced in the US more competitive. One of the major car companies is laying off people becuase Americans Continue to buy imports. If the cost of imports rise then people will buy Amercian.

In itself trade deficits are not bad. I give someone paper they give me things I want. If they charge to much for things then things made here are cheaper in comparison and I buy them.

All markets are cyclical. I have a friend that won't invest in the stock market because as he says STOCKS GO DOWN. He has some minor savings in real estate but the real estate market where he lives is down. Meanwhile my stock Mutual funds have all gone up at a rate of 10-15% avg for the last five years. A ten year average has three down years but those were after three exceptionally good years. So it evens out.

Currency is traded as a commodity. Sometimes it is up, sometimes down. Same with Real Estate, same with precious medals. Same with Cattle Futures. If you believe the US currency will continue to drop invest your money accordingly.



Yes, I'm serious
I am not advocating either way. But it is true that a weaker dollar helps U.S. industries compete with foreign industry, as relative labor costs go down by comparison.

As a consumer, I prefer a strong dollar.

Why do you think the W adminsitration has pursued a weak dollar policy? Because he hates prosperity? Or to help in job creation?

What? Are you serious?
"When the dollar drops in value, American producers have a better chance to compete in foreign markets, and at home. That's one of the primary reasons unemployment has remained low. That's also why Europeans and Asians grouse when the dollar drops. Their exports have a harder time competing with U.S. domestic producers."

Well, according to this logic, why not devalue the dollar more. In fact why not devalue it to zero. Then we'll all have jobs as we root in the ground with sticks for tubers.

Pat is perfectly consistent. It's not a toss up between money and jobs, its a toss up between being poor and being rich. You are advocating that we be poor, so that we can all work harder. Well, no one works harder than someone with no money and no food, but I can't see how it is an advantage to pursue that end.

I want the most valuable currency, so that I only have to work forty hours to buy a months worth of Chinese goods.

Mr. Buchanan - Will you endorse Ron Paul?

For every action
there's an equal and opposite reaction.

When the dollar drops in value, American producers have a better chance to compete in foreign markets, and at home. That's one of the primary reasons unemployment has remained low. That's also why Europeans and Asians grouse when the dollar drops. Their exports have a harder time competing with U.S. domestic producers.

Pat has an axe to grind. His dislike for W taints his analysis. I love his columns, but his arguments don't always appear consistent.

Many of us
Have tried to tell people how big a scam the WTO and NAFTA is for as long as they have existed.
Saying it is going to hurt this country very badly one day.

Pat writes:
"And as the U.S. government prints more and more dollars to cover the budget deficits that stretch out -- with the coming retirement of the baby boomers -- all the way to the horizon, the value of the dollar will fall. And as Ben Bernanke at the Fed tries to keep interest rates low, to keep the U.S. economy from sputtering out in the credit crunch, the value of the dollar will fall."


If people today could have read what the US Government is doing to them as if it happened a 1000 years ago, all would be saying how stupid those people must of been to have allowed it to happen.

Yet they support this national suicide today, trusting the biggest crooks this country has ever produced.

And thats saying something

362
I don't know at what time today PB filed this story, but the DOW closed down 362 points.

Two weeks ago I went to an estate sale at a home that was for sale. It had been appraised at $1.5 million, the price had just been reduced for the second time, and the new asking price was $800,000, slightly more than half of the appraised value of this lovely large home in a good neighborhood. If you've ever watched "House Hunters" on HGTV you see that not long ago people were being advised to make an offer greater than the asking price because buyers were snapping up houses and bidding against each other. Times have changed.

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