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Tuesday, June 05, 2007
Pat Buchanan :: Townhall.com Columnist
Who Lost Russia?
by Pat Buchanan
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By 1988, Ronald Reagan, who had famously branded the Soviet Union "an evil empire," was striding through Red Square arm-in-arm with Mikhail Gorbachev. Russians were pounding both men on the back.

They had just signed the greatest arms reduction agreement in history -- eliminating all Soviet SS-20s targeted on Europe, in return for removal of the Pershing and cruise missiles Reagan had deployed in Europe.

"Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive, But to be young was very heaven!" wrote Wordsworth about his first hearing the news of the fall of the Bastille.

Many of us felt that way then.

Within three years, the Berlin Wall had come down, the puppet regimes of Eastern Europe had been swept away, Germany was reunited, the Red Army had gone home, the Soviet Empire had vanished and the Soviet Union had broken up into 15 nations. The Baltic republics were free. Ukraine was free.

Yet, on the eve of the G-8 summit, Vladimir Putin has announced that Russia would re-target missiles on NATO. We must, he said, counter Bush's decision to put anti-missile missiles in Poland and radars in the Czech Republic. Why are we doing this?

The United States says the ABM system in Europe is to defend against an Iranian attack. But Tehran has no atom bomb and no ICBM.

We appear to be headed for a second Cold War -- and, if we are, responsibility will not fully rest with the Kremlin. For among those who have mismanaged the relationship are presidents Clinton and Bush II, the baby boomers who appear to have kicked away the fruits of a Cold War victory won by their Greatest Generation predecessors.

How did they do it?

-- When the Red Army went home from Eastern Europe, the United States, in violation of an understanding with Moscow, began to move NATO east. We have since brought into our military alliance six former members of the Warsaw Pact and three former provinces of the Soviet Union: Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.

-- Anti-Russia hawks are now pushing to bring Ukraine and Georgia into NATO. If they succeed, we could be dragged into future confrontations with a nuclear-armed Russia about who has sovereignty over the Crimea and whether South Ossetia should be part of Georgia.

Are these vital U.S. interests worth risking a war? Why are we moving a U.S.-led military alliance into the front yard and onto the side porch of a country with thousands of nuclear weapons? Would we accept any commensurate Chinese or Russian move in the Caribbean?

-- After Moscow gave us a green light to use the former Soviet republics of Central Asia to base U.S. forces for the Afghan war, the United States has sought permanent bases there. Russia and China have now united to throw us out of their back yard.

-- America colluded with Azerbaijan and Georgia to build a Baku-Tiblisi-Ceyhan pipeline to transmit Caspian Sea oil across the Caucasus to the Black Sea and Turkey, cutting Russia out of the action.

-- In 1999, the United States bombed Serbia 78 days to punish her for fighting to hold her cradle province of Kosovo, which Muslim Albanians were tearing away. Orthodox Russia had long seen herself as protectress of the Balkan Slavs. That Clinton ignored Russia in launching this unprovoked war on Serbia was seen in Moscow as proof that Russian concerns had become irrelevant in Washington.

-- After helping dump over the government in Belgrade, our Neocomintern -- the National Endowment for Democracy, Freedom House and other fronts -- interfered in Ukraine and Georgia, helping oust pro-Moscow regimes and install pro-American ones. Since then, NED has been run out of Belarus and its subsidiaries are about to get the boot from Moscow.

Can we blame the Russians for being angry? How would we react to left-wing NGOs in Washington, flush with Moscow oil money, aiding elements hostile to the Bush administration?

-- The United States has been constantly hectoring Russia on backsliding from democracy. But compared to Beijing, Moscow is Montpelier, Vt. And why, if the Cold War is over, are Russia's political arrangements any of our business?

If we don't like the way Putin treats Mikhail Khorokovsky, Boris Berezovksy and the other "oligarchs" who robbed Russia blind in the 1990s, maybe Putin doesn't like how we treated Martha Stewart.

Harry Truman is often blamed for having started the Cold War. He didn't. Stalin did. But Clinton, George W. and the neocons have a strong claim to having started the second. A first order of business of the next president should be to repair the damage this crowd has done -- and to get out of Russia's face.

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Colaborate or Capitulate!
Colaborate or capitulate, when the oil prices are increasing.

Lolo
I voted for Dubya and no, I don't blame him for everything. But, he is the President and what happens under his watch is his responsibility. Does he bear all the blame for what others do? No, but he damn sure should stand up against it and he doesn't. Plus, he sure as heck does plenty of bad things all on his own.

I'm thinking of things like his managed trade agreements; his Security and Prosperity Partnership; the lack of enforcing our immigration laws; pushing this amnesty bill on us, and on and on.

He isn't a conservative in any way, shape or form and yes, it somewhat irritates me that he and others like Cheney, Kristol, Wolfowitz, Giuliani, McCain and Romney refer to themselves as such. The reason is because it hurts the name of "conservative". I know one heck of a lot of people who are scared to death of voting for someone else who calls themself a conservative because of these folks and their ilk.

Republicans tend to go to sleep when one of our own is in office. I bet you money that if a Democrat had attempted to do even 5% of what Bush has actually done, we all would be up in arms about it. But because he's a Republican, we give him a free ride. Sometimes, it seems like we have bought the line that the "Party" is the important thing and it ISN'T. It's our country, right? If the person is ripping our Constitution and our country apart, they're terrible. I don't care what letter they have after their name.

hardcase
What's the matter, hardcase? Is it the Constitution that you consider to be "tin foil". Oh no, I forgot.. your hero, Dubya, called it a GD piece of paper. I know you're proud.

Or, is it the fact that the war mongering neocons were shown up to be a. uninformed or b. mis-staters of fact about our foreign policy?

Or, possibly it's because you actually enjoy cameras being on every corner and you want biometric national ID cards mandated for all Americans? (papers please....)

Oh, I know, it must be because you just love the fact that our immigration laws aren't being enforced and the neocons and Rockefeller Republican liberals want to give amnesty to millions of illegal aliens?

Some of us like the concept of freedom and actually expect our public SERVANTS to abide by their oaths of office to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution. That means they also have to FOLLOW IT. if you want to refer to that as "tin foil hat" wearing, then YOU BETCHA!

Gabby
What are you talking about? What are they limiting specifically?

Bountyhunter20
Along with my comments, and those of a few other insightful individuals on this board, your commentary registered an 8 on the "Richter scale" of excellence..in other words, very good.

Putin is a Russian nationalist. Imagine that. He has alot of nerve. Bush needs to tell him borders and national sovereignty don't matter anymore(given Bush's desire to effectively eliminate the borders between the U.S. and Mexico/Canada).

Putin is going to do whatever is in Russia's interest. We should not find that surprising. Instead of antagonizing him with sanctimonious rhetoric about democracy, we should be enlisting his support in our mutual effort to deal with radical Islam.

But nooooooo...Jorge Bush knows better!

I venture to say Putin protects the Russian borders far more effectively, and treats that situation far more seriously, than Bush treats our own borders.

Pat Knows History
I learned to appreciate Russian hardware the hard way. Their rifles do not jam in dirt and dust as do ours. Their electronic warfare equipment is also generally very good. They have developed some excellent anti-ship missiles which should be causing some alarm among our naval defense folks. And, they have some excellent missiles and lots of nuclear warheads. This alone ought to make a prudent statesman leery of doing foolish things like taking their former satellites into our unnecessary European alliance and setting up a missile defense system there to enable a first strike capability against them. But as James Madison said in the Federalist Papers, enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. And the current crop of fools in Washington certainly show him to be prophetic. Even a Texas yokel alumnus from Yale and Harvard ought to know enough to not go poking at a bear. One might get it to be downright aggressive! Pat catches a lot of flack from the neocons for being an isolationist, but those misguided followers of Leon Trotsky are the real isolationists. When a nation becomes a bully and bombs the crap out of other countries, invades some others, and then threatens well armed nuclear powers, they obviously think that there will be no negative repercussions from these actions. The neocons really think that we are isolated from unpleasant blowback. When Pat or another paleo-conservative points out the folly in this they are accused of being isolationist, anti-Semetic or neo-fascist. the truth is that Pat is generally right, and he along with Phyllis Schafly are about the only real conservatives left on this site. Say what you want about Putin being authoritarian and part of the KGB, but at least he is a patriot looking out for the best interests of his country. He protects the borders, fights terrorists mercilessly, and deals properly with illegal immigration. He does not sell out his people to a corrupt financial oligarchy with their ideas of global hegemony. Then, we have Jorge Bush...

Amen dyerje!
That is an excellent analysis and much more in tune with reality than Buchanan's. His hatred for George Bush has warped his mind. I swear, he's gone so far to the right, he's gone full circle and is coming up behind Hillary. Now I know where his followers hang out. I guess we should just get on our knees and pray to St. Ron to save us from the evil satanic neocons and leave that nice old Putin alone and he'll like us more. Hey, just like with the jihadis. Geez... These tinfoil hat types really give me a headache.

R Harris
So I guess the only thing we can do is give up the world to evil and go home. I swear, you Bush haters on this thread are nothing more than left-wingers in "true conservative" and "libertarian" clothing.

Pat knows history???????
Hard to believe, if he really thinks that when the Red Army pulled out of Eastern Europe, it left some ahistorical political vacuum in which the influence of the United States was the only fell predator stalking the land.

Historically, the nations of Eastern Europe have great reason to fear Russia and Germany. Historically, neither Russia nor Germany has much if anything to fear from the United States, as long as they have not declared themselves to be our enemies, and actively pursued that policy. While the Western allies' intervention in Russia after the 1917 revolution and WWI's armistice was ill-conceived and poorly executed, it was hardly devoid of justification in terms of the allies' common national interests. The allies were right about what Russia's new criminal rulers were, and what they intended. They were correct that Soviet Russia would a threat to stability, peace, and progress in Europe and Asia.

It is not American importunity but their own history that drives the nations of Eastern Europe to desire inclusion in a military alliance in which Germany is subordinated and Russia is held at bay. For the US, it is asinine to suggest that reassuring Russia -- and codependently enabling her to assuage her xenophobic demons by interfering in the elections of her neighbors (as in Ukraine and Belorus) -- is a more mature and appropriate course.

It is equally asinine to suggest that every US decision disliked by Russia is a slap in Russia's face. Running the natural gas pipeline through Turkey is one of the smarter plays we have backed in recent years. Why should Russia have one more gas pipeline to intimidate Europe with? In the meantime, Western engagement with NATO ally Turkey remains essential for a host of reasons. If the choice is between encouraging Turkey to develop and attain eligibility for stronger economic and political ties, and enabling Russia to engorge more state "capitalists" while acquiring increased economic leverage over Europe, the answer is obvious. Russia has already, and repeatedly, threatened European governments with gas shut-offs. We have no reason to wonder "if" Moscow would resort to such a thing.

Buchanan seems to think we still inhabit a slow-moving, bi-polar world in which oldtimers shake their heads and exclaim "Ain't that a caution!" over the international telly-phone signal from London. America can't afford to consider every geopolitical decision as if only Russia might be affected by it; and we can't afford to cede old-fashioned "spheres of influence" in a world in which non-state actors and unstable political leaders can change everyone's security calculus in the space of a few hours.

It's Russia that is out of touch, sclerotic, stuck on stupid. Ministering to her dysfunctional coping mechanisms is enabling an addict. If America had ever wanted to invade and conquer Russia, we could have done it any time in the last 15 years. It's time for Russia to wake up to the year 2007 -- the real 2007, with all the actual history that preceded it (including Russia's long history of alternating imperialism and defensive tribalism, fearing her neighbors indiscriminately and terrorizing them injudiciously), and not just the few elements of it that Russia has elected to remember. For good or ill, that's the world the rest of us live in.

Pat asks, I answer
"How would we react to left-wing NGOs in Washington, flush with Moscow oil money, aiding elements hostile to the Bush administration?"

98% are directly affiliated with the DNC or various Donkey Party candidates. The other 2% supply writers to THE AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE.

thinker
I'm interested in your half a front door. Are you auctioning it on e-bay?

MR BUCHANAN, how about that:
OFF THE SUBJECT (you may like it):
"BTW - anybody wants a half of front door???
Why not??? Majority, I am told, want less than 2000 miles of southern fence...
Remember how Pat Buchanan was scorned and ostracized after proposing closing the borders?" -
MY POST SOMEWHERE ELSE...

ON the subject (you may not like it) -

if I, say, put a mine in front of (my burglarized many times in the past) house, telling everyone THERE IS A MINE - why a neighbor would object to it, or, worse, said he wants to see me in the sights of his rifle???

Mr. Buchanan???

MR BUCHANAN, NOT ON SUBJECT, but
OFF THE SUBJECT (you mey like it):
BTW - anybody wants a half of front door???
Why not??? Majority, I am told, want less than 2000 miles of southern fence...
Remember how Pat Buchanan was scorned and ostracized after proposing closing the borders? -
MY POST SOMEWHERE ELSE...

ON the subject (you may not like ti) -
if I, say, put a mine in front of (my burglarized many times in the past) house, telling everyone THERE IS A MINE - why a neighbor would object to it, or, worse, said he wants to see me in the sights of his rifle???

Mr. Buchanan???

GREAT article on Putin by Engdahl
For those wanting a little recent history on the matter, read this article by F. William Engdahl on Putin's speech at the Munich Security Conference back on February 10:

http://www.321gold.com/editorials/engdahl/engdahl021907.html

I have a question for Phil Byler and all those painting Putin as the "bad guy" here:

Why, just four years ago, was he in Crawford, Texas, eating barbeque and wearing a cowboy hat and having a grand ol time with Dubya? Everyone was hailing the occasion, saying what a GREAT ALLY Putin and the Russians had become!

Soooo . . . why the change of heart for Putin?

As you see in the text of his Munich speech, he said that the US has become much more agressive in moving NATO eastward, even to the point of wanting to include Ukraine and even Georgia - and we expect him to not be concerned about that?

As he stated, he perceives the US wanting to establish unipolar, world hegemony. Neither he, nor China, nor anyone else wants that.

And since he does not trust the US anymore because we have obviously broken promises to him in the past, he is readying his missiles once again.

This is another classic example of BLOWBACK, people!

Nothing will change until we overhaul our foreign policy completely.

Supplying nukes
>If Russia is our friend, why are they supplying nukes to our enemies?<

Better question. If you have a brain, why would you type that?

Pat Buchanan
In 1776, with the assistance of the French, our revolution again King Geoerge was successful. No foreign power intervened to help the British. In 1917 the Russians had their revolution and overthrew the Tsar. Immediately, Britain, Canada and the USA did all in their power, including sending military forces, to aid the White Russians. Pat is a historian. He remembers that I am sure. We are forever meddling, toppling governments and acting as the international gendarme. If we want to tell the world how to run its affairs, re-institute the draft and cut social spending. You can't have guns and butter, I believe was said by Bismarck. He was right then and it holds today. Tackling Russian won't be like Grenada or Panama. I am a life long conservative but burying my head in the sand is not my cup of tea. We need diplomats, not former welfare queens in foreign countries. With apologies to New Zealand.

Liberty
My answer to your question is both!

Pat
If Russia is our friend, why are they supplying nukes to our enemies? Russia has clearly picked sides, the Mullahs. I'm sure some of you posting here are just fine with that. Hell, who cares if Ahmadinejead wants to bomb Israel with nukes? Pat sure doesn't. We probably shouldn't have gotten involved in WWII either. After all, Hitler's business of genocide wasn't our concern.

Liberty
What in the heck are you talking about?

P.S. Liberty
I am not totally standing with Bush. He does do some things right, but when he's wrong he's really wrong. Putin is a no win situation for him. If he hadn't tried to win him over he would have caught hell for that too. You seem to find it easier to blame every single woe of the world on Bush. To me that is intellectually dishonest. However, you have that right and I would never deem you a traitor for it.

Lolo
Thank you for answering my question. I guess your answer is the latter.

"What's more important to you.... OUR COUNTRY or the need to keep claiming that you were right?"

utahnotthemormon and Liberty
Obviously you are not the bastion of smarts. Bush was trying to win putin over and still is without caving. Explaining this to you is like talking to a tree stump...pointless. Liberty your post made absolutely no sense what so ever.

how 'bout them apples?
Well, now, how can it be that Putin is our enemy?

After all, G.W. Bush peered into Putin's soul, and was greatly impressed.

In addition, G.W. constantly refers to his "friend" Vladimir.

Maybe G.W. ought to do less peering into souls, and delivering holier-than-thou sermons on democracy, and spend more time buttressing up our border.

This president has betrayed conservatives principles. His messianic and contradictory agenda has been hijacked and manipulated by a cabal of neocons.

This is an old theme of Pat's
Supposedly, the Russians were all set to be our buddies, until the Bush administration screwed it up by acting in our own interests.

A closer look would reveal that Russia was never our ally or our friend. They have consistently acted against the interests of the US.

Furthermore, the actions which supposedly alienated Russia are not really that big a deal, especially when weighed against how Russia has thwarted the US at the UN, armed Iran an other enemies, worked with Saddam Hussein, etc and so on and so forth. So, the US was instrumental in forcing Russia to give up many countries which it had under its umbrella, but what REALLY ticked them off was a pipeline?

Finally, this latest position by Russia is self-contradictory. Russia claims they are not a threat, with no missiles aimed towards NATO. But for some reason they are in a huff regarding a missile shield? And their response is to...aim missiles at us and our allies?

There is much to support the argument that the Cold War never ended. At one point, the Soviets had hundreds of agents placed within the Truman administration alone. The Soviets had targeted American institutions that were leverage points for our society: news media, Hollywood, universities, major foundations, and one of the main two political parties, among others.

Maybe the Berlin wall fell, but I don't exactly recall a mass exodus from those places when we declared an end to the Cold War.

Correction
"I looked into his *eyes*"

Lolo
"Looks to me like Putin is practicing communism under the guise of democracy."

Yes, and he always has been. Once KGB, ALWAYS KGB. It's only the stupid Americans who bought the story put forth from our MSM and President "I looked into his yes", Dubya.

"He is hoping to catch us with our guard down and take advantage of it. bush is right not to give him blind trust."

The fact of the matter is Dubya DID give him blind trust. He and the neocons' foreign policy have just about started a world war. That and his more than treasonous domestic agenda have just about destroyed our country. Keep standing with this traitor and we're not going to have a country much longer.

What's more important to you.... OUR COUNTRY or the need to keep claiming that you were right?


Wolfie
Ah hell, wolfie, let's just start a friggin' world war. Would that make you happy?

Your neocon namesake, Paul Wolfowitz, would be quite proud.

Lolo
So in your mind, the worthiness of an individual and his principles is based upon whether he "wins"? And if he does not, he must be a liberal?

Interesting viewpoint, indeed, but it certainly isn't logical.


So Buchanan wants to surrender now?
So, Mr. Buchanan, should we just surrender the eastern part of the world to Russia now?

Russia is still a potentially deadly enemy to the U.S. and allowing it to grow stronger by absorbing satellites just makes it worse.

Btw, FDR is most responsible for the Soviet juggernaut being allowed to subsume all those states, thus growing tremendously in wealth, raw materials, manufacturing capacity and stature. But FDR trusted "Uncle Joe" [Stalin], as he called him, and refused to oppose any Soviet demands.

Lolo
That's probably one of the single most ignorant posts I've ever read. Your worldview is about as deep as the divot I made on the 18th fairway yesterday.

I suggest you read about Bush's speech he made today in the Czech Republic. It's actually quite good, especially this quote:

"My message will be Vladimir — I call him Vladimir — that you shouldn't fear a missile defense system. As a matter of fact, why don't you cooperate with us on a missile defense system? Why don't you participate with the United States?"

Now, perhaps you should look up the definition of cooperation. It's clear you already know the meaning of confrontation.


Joe Oliva
While I appreciate your efforts, I sincerely suggest you check out Ron Paul. I have followed this man for well over 20 years and he is the real deal. A staunch defender of our Constitution and our individual liberty. Those are not just words either, his principled voting record over many years backs this up in spades.

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"There is one and only one voice in Congress for a foreign policy of freedom, and it belongs to Ron Paul, who has stood alone for freedom for many years. Ron is the seemingly impossible: a voice for reason and truth in a den of thieves." -- the Mises Institute

NATO was the result...

...of the Berlin Airlift. The first air battle between the Western Allies and the Soviet Union. And a battle that we won. A phenomenon totally lost on history. The US began to consider all the world to be its business once we created the United Nations. We should have left well enough alone with NATO. Now, NATO has fulfilled its mission and should evolve into a European Defense Alliance.

As for the US, the stronger the better. However, I find it a better investment to put our defensive and offensive missiles into submarines. The USA should have double the number of submarines she has now. As for any land based ABM system, in Europe or the Continental US, they're nothing but a bull's eye in a first attack. And I'm former Army Air Defense.

Joe Olivo
This is why you can't get any traction as a candidate! You have no fundamental grasp of the world you live in or geo politics. The fact that you think Pat is just peachy tells me alot since he ran five times and failed. You have learned nothing. You are really no different than the liberals.

Buchannan
More mewlings from the I don't know as much I think I know candidate. Putin is to blame Pat. Put the problem where it belongs. Bush is absolutely right on this score. Putin is not only (and China) helping Iran build their arsenal, just like they helped Saddam hide his, they are also providing cover for it in the UN. We have a right to protect ourselves and our allies. Looks to me like Putin is practicing communism under the guise of democracy. He is hoping to catch us with our guard down and take advantage of it. bush is right not to give him blind trust. Wonder how many back door meetings he has had with China not to mention terrorists? Anything for power and a buck. But then again Russsia has never been smart. Hey Putin, if you don't want the missile defense shield disarm Iran!

Pat is absolutely correct on this!
American foreign policy is in shambles due to the attitude in Washington that it is somehow America's responsibility to take care of the whole world. Exactly why are we putting missiles in Europe? Why are we pushing for Eastern European nations to join NATO? In fact, why are we even in NATO??

A visionary foreign policy in the White House is sorely needed to assure American security and to allow other countries to define their own future as they see fit. A complete revision is neccessary that:
1. Confronts the the new global economy and ensures that America can modify free trade into a fair two way street, preserving American jobs and industrial infrastucture.
2. Totally revise American foreign aid programs into verifiable actions that benefit people rather than line the pockets of dictators.
3. Puts the pressure on the UN elites who constantly blame America for the world's problems to step forward with solutions that do not include spending American money and sending US troops out to do the dirty work.

As a candidate for President in 2008, I intend to totally revamp our foreign policy utilizing the above points as a starting place. I will shortly put out on my website, JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG, a complete blueprint explaining these and other pertinent aspects that will clarify this approach.

In my Campaign Platform, which is on the site, I state explicitly that I will withdraw US forces from Europe, Japan, and South Korea, all of which are wealthy enough to support their own defense and should be willing to put their lives on the line, not those of American troops!


If you have been following my modest campaign, then you are aware that it is time for the American people to reclaim the birthright we were given by our founding fathers. Inorder to begin that process, we need to of course, break the power hold of the Dem/GOP elites who have pushed us aside to pursue their own agenda for our nation. That agenda embraces the internationalist concept that "America needs to be brought into line with the rest of the world", and they are willing to sell out our economy, interpret the Constitution according to international laws, and use our military to accomplish their socialist goals!

We need to resist their efforts and we can no longer trust the two parties. They have accumulated so much power that they no longer feel accountable to the principles of the Constitution, rule of law, and will of the people. They have cleverly convinced us that we have no choice other than to elect one of them. This is the election and now is our opportunity to prove them wrong. We can reclaim our inheritance and we do not need to allow them to continue to perpetuate this myth.

I urge you to visit my website and recognize the possibilities before us. We must sieze this chance to break their power hold, we cannot afford another Democrat OR Republican in the White House. If we elect one of these elites in '08, we will guarantee a future for our nation and our children of more big government, declining personal freedoms, and increased influence of the internationalists who hate our country.

My expressly stated goal in this election is to restore the Constitution, rule of law, and will of the people as the principles by which we will govern ourselves as a free people. The choices ahead of us will be difficult, and as citizens, we will have to re-learn the responsibilities that we will have to shoulder to remain free. The idea that we should "let the government take care of it" has not and does not work if a people want to be free. We must take back the decision making process and elect politicians to office who will respond to our wishes as the true and rightful owners of this great nation.

The task ahead will take some time and require some sacrifices, and we should be willing to accept that. We will need to educate our fellow citizens to enlist their support. Nonetheless, this is the election in which we begin that journey home and if we have faith in our own abilities and the guts to do something different, we can and will succeed. In voting for any of the elite candidates, we will once again vote for the lesser of two evils and will be hoping for a different result that never has and never will emerge from doing the same thing over and over. Please, visit my website and let's begin the disussion of how we can be the deciders of our own future. Why not? Why trust in the same individuals again, individuals whose agenda is to remake America, not preserve the greatest nation this world has ever seen? Think about it! Thanks, Joe

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When Bush looked into Putin's eyes ...

.....What he should have said was..."Look Poot ...we both have enough nukes to turn the Earth into a crispy fried cinder many times over ...

....The Islamo-Fascists and the Chinese are becoming a pain in the butt so what do you say that we team up to take over the World? ...

....You can have the Eastern Half and we'll take care of the West and if China or the Islamo-whackos start acting up ...you can nuke Bejing and we'll take out Mecca/Medina ...what about it Poot?" .....COLOSSUS

No Talk Yet About Our New War
Hey, did you hear the one about Bush's having a US Navy Destroyer shell Somalia? Jorge, not another one! Is Putin and others correct about the US trying to play bully around the world? If the Africans and Europeans will not take care of their own turf, why should we? To protect our oil "pipeline?" Next, our helicopter gunships in Somalia? Under which of our Constitution's provisions does this fall? If Jorge had recognized that we have an oil supply problem in year 2000 and did a first class job on nuke plant and ethanol solutions, our dependence would not have been so extreme. If nothing else, he wouldn't have the environmental crazies so heated, and we would have less AlGore. It was stupid not to recognize the oil problem and try to alleviate it but maybe the CFR didn't like the solution.

Gary Rosen writes: June, 05, 2007 4:03 A
For Patty, Neocon = Joooooos
"There are NON-Jewish Neo-Cons"

…. but you never hear Pat slamming Cheney or Jeane Kirkpatric, it's always Feith/Wolfowitz/Kristol etc. The reason Pat is such a sour, embittered, nasty old man is that he's just never gotten over the fact that his idol Hitler....was only able to kill half the Jews of Europe... It's been torturing Pat ever since. That's why this onetime cold warrior is now a headband-wearing, pot-smoking hippie with his simpering plea to "get out of Russia's face".

DESKJOCKEY RESPONDS

The reason Buchanan focuses on the three names is because they were the ones who signed the monthly neo-con PNAC publications run out of Kristol’s office, although I do believe Cheney did sign an article once.

Buchanan didn’t love Hitler, he merely pointed out the moral hazard of the US promising Europe that we’d be their ace in the hole if Hitler got out of hand. The hazard is that this started a European policy of appeasement and merely encouraged Hitler. Better, as Buchanan suggested, that we told Europe that our founding fathers eschewed our meddling in their affairs and they better get a handle on Hitler before he gets out of control because we are never going to be their ace in the hole. Actually that might have saved more Jews, by having Europe shut him down at the start.

Granted Buchanan isn't the Amen chorus for the Jewish agenda in DC, but even Saffire who worked side by side with him contends this is policy not some Jew hate agenda.


Russia was lost ...
.....when Bush looked into Putin's eyes ...said he saw his soul ...and called him Pooty Poot ...

.....This told Putin that he was dealing with an a** hole and to start gearing up for a new cold war that might be winnable with Bush in the White House .....COLOSSUS

Right On Pat
I am not a big fan of Buchanan but he has it right on Russia. While Putin is a former KGB guy and will certainly turn back the clock to some degree on freedom for Russian people, he is being militarily challenged and put against the wall by Bush.

There is no excuse for what Bush is doing. Putting more missles in Europe for what? To protect the Europeans who don't want us there?

Can't we sit back for once and let the europeans figure out what to do with the islam insanity in THEIR backyard?

Bush should be putting troops on our borders like every other country in the world and we can start by pulling some of those troops from europe and putting them in TX,NM,AZ,CA.



Restating the Obvious
Somewhere after WWII, America lost its capacity to clearly understand its own self interest, and to pursue it. Global strategies may be fine, but we seem to be unwilling to look at the consequences and to refuse to decide if a given action promoted our own interests in any meaningful way. Prior to WWII, we did not believe that we needed to participate in virtually any decision made throughout the world involving other countries. Now it seems that we do.

Historically, we believed in spheres of influence in which major powers created buffers around them which enabled us to have our own. Now, there are none, because we respect none. The larger powers either have such understandings, or they don't. We either buffer ourselves against direct confrontations by respecting that a larger country will have more direct influence in countries directly connected to their borders, or we don't. And if we don't, we will then set up conditions for direct, rather than indirect, confrontation.

Buchanan's points are simply restatements of the obvious. Today, we have four major blocs in the world. We have Europe and its common market, North America, Russia, and China.

The Bush Administration simply ignored history and its lessons in every region. In Europe, we still maintain and pay most of the bill for NATO, even though the Europeons are perfectly capable of paying for their own defense. In Asia, we are still arguing with the Chinese over Taiwan, and then wondering why the Chinese, who clearly have the power, don't simply shut down North Korea and her nuclear ambitions. And in Russia and East Asia, we now find Russia building its own oil Cartel, which includes protecting Iran, in order to re-establish its historic role throughout that region. We chose, in sum, to deal with the individual states, rather that the principal states. And, we are suffering the consequences of that action, as we find ourselves obligated to defend dozens of small countries through-out the world, none of which are directly important to our own national security.

And we're trying to do all of this with the smallest Army we've had since prior to WWII.

The question people never seem to ask, is just what is our self-interest? Why do we continue to pay for NATO? Why do we continue to insert ourselves into arguements between Europe and Russia, when Europe is far more wealthy and populous than Russia, and fully capable of managing her own affairs? In Asia, we see China systematically resuming her historic role in that region. For thousands of years she was the most populous and powerful nation in that area, and she is becoming so again. Yet Americans tend to try to believe that they can forever protect Taiwan, and forever control waters off the Coast of China which are 10,000 miles from our own coast.

And, then we have Russia. For centuries she was the most powerful and populous nation in Eastern Europe and Central Asia.

We can ignore history all we want - or at least Bush can, but it will not lead to any great victories for America, because history cannot be ignored. Europe, Russia and China will reassert themselves. We cannot prevent that from happening.

Either we will take the lead in accepting what we cannot prevent, and in guiding it, or we will continue to bankroll Europe, and create conflicts with Russia and China.

Our choice.

In the end, Russia and China will still resume their historic positions. They will always have more influence over their neighbors than we.

And, just like Americans, they will create buffers around themselves in which countries are permitted to run their own affairs, as long as they do not present a military threat to them.


Good article
Since when did we anoint this president to go about the globe lecturing others on democracy? Provocatively placing missiles on Russia's borders is bound to elicit a less than favorable reaction from Putin.

Our democratic values should be an inspiration, a beacon, an example, for others to emulate, not reduced to cheap, artificial lectures delivered by a pompous chief executive.

Bush may yet add another foreign policy legacy to his disaster in Iraq...rekindling of the cold war...his "gift" to future generations of Americans. Bush may yet reignite what Reagan so assiduously worked to eliminate.

We should have been working with Putin on our mutual interests in defeating Islam terror(he has his own problem with Islamic radicals in Chechnya), instead of Bush's supercilious lectures.

Some months ago, Bush and Putin held a joint press conference during which our president launched into his predictable reprimand of Putin for failing to adhere to democracy. Bush had been sanctimoniously informing the Russian leader that his nation should emulate the "democracy" in Iraq, when Putin turned to Bush and pointedly said: "We do not want the kind of democracy they have in Iraq, to tell you the truth, Mr. President".

A chagrined Bush, flustered, and with his face turning red over the obvious failure of Iraq to achieve a peaceful democracy, muttered to Putin: "Just wait".


Pat is right, as usual
Also, since Europe now = EU and it's pretty much a social marxist state, tell me why the U.S. should care to defend them? I would remove all U.S. troops from Europe and also the missile shield we're building.

Neocons doesn't equal Jews
I appreciate what Liberty wrote, not all neocons are Jews. George W Bush is as neocon as you can get and he is a "born-again" Christian. But, personal attacks on Pat or each other is not productive.

Pat is 100% right. We need to stop getting into Russia's face. We need to stop trying to conquer the world with force. It just gets us into trouble.

Phil says what he feels
Do you ever say anything more than talking points?

The truth is NEOCONMEN like you have hurt our foreign policy by wanting to be the policeman of the world!

"THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE"

http://www.controlcongrss.com

Twisted Baloney From Buchanan
So Pat Buchanan has joined the "Blame America" crowd. He is pathetically morphing into a left wing isolationist. His latest offering is perversely twisted.

No, America is not to blame for "losing" Russia due to, ampng other things, the spread of democratic regimes to Russia's border and putting a stop to Serbian aggression in the Balkans. What is going on with respect to Putin has everything to do with two factors. One, Putin is a former K.B.G. Communist who has been aiming to return Russia to what he fancies as a glorious past. I have been told by Russian-Americans for years not to trust Putin -- "he's K.G.B." Two, America has been weakened by Democrat inspired disloyalty and dissension, and Putin is acting like how Russian Communists have always acted in the face of American weakness -- aggressively.

Gary Rosen
Why is it that so many people flock to Pat's articles every week for the sole purpose of yelling anti-semite, or some other unsubstantiated pile of BS?

Gary, you should start your own column, because your comments have no relationship whatever with what Pat wrote.

Since so many keep raising the issue of neocons, I'll leave you with a little summary of their beliefs:

NEOCONS:

1. They agree with Trotsky on permanent revolution, violent as well as intellectual.
2. They are for redrawing the map of the Middle East and are willing to use force to do so.
3. They believe in preemptive war to achieve desired ends.
4. They accept the notion that the ends justify the means, that hard-ball politics is a moral necessity.
5. They express no opposition to the welfare state.
6. They are not bashful about an American empire; instead they strongly endorse it.
7. They believe lying is necessary for the state to survive.
8. They believe a powerful federal government is a benefit.
9. They believe pertinent facts about how a society should be run should be held by the elite and withheld from those who do not have the courage to deal with it.
10. They believe neutrality in foreign affairs is ill-advised.
11. They hold Leo Strauss in high esteem.
12. They believe imperialism, if progressive in nature, is appropriate.
13. Using American might to force American ideals on others is acceptable. Force should not be limited to the defense of our country.
14. 9-11 resulted from the lack of foreign entanglements, not from too many.
15. They dislike and despise libertarians (therefore, the same applies to all strict constitutionalists.)
16. They endorse attacks on civil liberties, such as those found in the Patriot Act, as being necessary.
17. They unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party.

For Patty, Neocon = Joooooos
"There are NON-Jewish Neo-Cons"

Of course there are, but you never hear Pat slamming Cheney or Jeane Kirkpatric, it's always Feith/Wolfowitz/Kristol etc. The reason Pat is such a sour, embittered, nasty old man is that he's just never gotten over the fact that his idol Hitler - you know, the drug-addicted incestuous pervert who dragged a great nation down to the worst depths of defeat and humiliation - was only able to kill half the Jews of Europe but couldn't get them all. It's been torturing Pat ever since. That's why this onetime cold warrior is now a headband-wearing, pot-smoking hippie with his simpering plea to "get out of Russia's face".

You think we're afraid...?
MAD and anti-missle defense? Of course Putin's gonna' spout as loud (if not louder) than Ahmedinijad. Men with small nuts usually do that when faced down.

Liberty
While continuously being branded a typical Democrat or leftist on this board, I, like you, support Ron Paul for president, futile a wish as it is.


utahnotmormon
You're right. We're all to busy chanting... "they hate us for our freedoms" or some equally idiotic thing.

Earth to libertarian
Now, tell me why interfering in Russia's affairs furthers our national security. It is none of our business.

Pat rightly puts America first. Amazing, isn't it?

And what problem do you have with Pat telling the truth that Dubya and the neocons are to blame for their OWN actions? He is right.


Americans Don't Ask
Questions like,

"Would we accept any commensurate Chinese or Russian move in the Caribbean?"

Of course we wouldn't, yet we seem to expect other nations to sit idly by while we meddle in their regional affairs, to the point that Russia now feels compelled to arm itself to the teeth and point its nuclear weapons westward.

We have lost any sense of the definition of national defense. It's a global military budget, not a defense budget. In some cases, the global military budget makes our nation less secure.



wow
"But Clinton, George W. and the NEOCONS have a strong claim to having started the second"

It took old Pat until the second to last line of his article until he blamed the Jews at least in part for all the world's problems. Mr. Buchanan as usual finds some measure of truth in what he writes about our often bungled diplomacy (what a shocker!), but his rabid isolationism falls flat as always.

Earth to Pat, fortress America is not possible anymore. It really isn't.
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