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Tuesday, March 06, 2007
Pat Buchanan :: Townhall.com Columnist
Dumbing-Down of America
by Pat Buchanan
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Fifty years ago this October, Americans were jolted by the news that Moscow, one year after drowning the Hungarian Revolution in blood, had put an 80-pound satellite into Earth orbit.

In December, the U.S. Navy tried to replicate the feat. Vanguard got four feet off the ground and exploded, incinerating its three-pound payload. America was humiliated. Khrushchev was Man of the Year. Some of us yet recall the Vanguard newsreels and the humiliating laughter.

Stunned, America went to work to improve education in math and science, and succeeded. The Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT) scores of high school seniors began to rise, reaching a high in 1964.

However, test scores for high school students have been falling now for 40 years. In 1984, the Reagan administration issued "A Nation at Risk," documenting the deterioration of American public education.

More trillions of dollars were thrown at the problem. And if one judged by the asserted toughening up of courses and rising grades of seniors, it appeared we had made marvelous progress. On March 4, The Washington Times reported:

"In 2005, 17 percent of graduates had completed a 'standard' curriculum, 41 percent completed a 'midlevel' curriculum, and 10 percent completed a 'rigorous' curriculum. Fifteen years earlier, the percentages were 9 percent (standard), 26 percent (midlevel) and 5 percent (rigorous). Grade point averages (GPA) increased, as well. The average overall GPA increased from 2.68 in 1990 to 2.98 (virtually a B level) in 2005.

However, it is all a giant fraud, exposed as such by the performances of high school seniors on the National Assessment of Educational Progress exams known as the "nation's report card." An NAEP test of 12th-grade achievement was given to what The New York Times called a "representative sample of 21,000 high school seniors attending 900 public and private schools from January to March 2005."

What did the tests reveal?

-- Since 1990, the share of students lacking even basic reading skills has risen by a third, from 20 percent to 27 percent.

-- Only 35 percent of high school seniors have reached a "proficient" level in reading, down from 40 percent.

-- Only 16 percent of black and 20 percent of Hispanic students had reached a proficient level in reading.

-- Among high school seniors, only 29 percent of whites, 10 percent of Hispanic students and 6 percent of black students were proficient in math.

This is only the half of it. Among the kids whose test scores on reading and math were not factored in were the 25 percent of white students and 50 percent of black and Hispanic kids who had dropped out by senior year.

Factor the dropouts back in, and what the NAEP test suggests is that, of black kids starting in first grade, about one in eight will be able to read at the level of a high school senior after 12 years, and one in 33 will be able to do the math. Among Hispanic kids, one in 10 will be able to read at a high-school senior level, but only one in 20 will be able to do high-school math.

Yet, as columnist Steve Sailor writes on VDare.com, the Bush-Kennedy No Child Left Behind Act mandates "that all children should reach a proficient level of academic achievement by 2014."

We're not going to make it. We're not even going to come close.

Why are so many Americans ignorant of the depths of failure of so many schools? As Sailor explains, it is due to government deceit.

"Not surprisingly, practically ever single state cheats in order to meet the law" mandating a rising academic proficiency.

"For example, Mississippi ... recently declared that 89 percent of its fourth-graders were at least 'proficient' in reading.

"Unfortunately, however, on the federal government's impartial National Assessment of Education Progress test, only 18 percent of Mississippi students were 'proficient' or 'advanced.'"

Hence, a huge slice of the U.S. educational establishment is complicit in a monstrous fraud that, if you did it in business, would get you several years at the nearby minimum security facility.

This is corruption. Teachers are handing out grades kids do not deserve. States are dumbing-down tests to make themselves look good. Voters are being deceived about how much kids are learning.

There is no real moral distinction between what teachers and educators are doing on a vast scale and what professional athletes do on a smaller scale when they take steroids to enhance performance.

As The Washington Times noted, according to the Digest of Education Statistics, spending for public education, in constant (inflation-adjusted) dollars, rose from $6,256 a year per student before "A Nation at Risk" to $10,464 in the 2002-2003 school year. Taxpayers have thus raised their annual contribution to education by a full two-thirds in real dollars in a quarter century. More than generous.

Under George W. Bush, U.S. Department of Education funding has risen 92 percent in six years, from $35.5 billion in 2001 to $68 billion in 2007. Sinking test scores are what we have to show for it.

Taxpayers are being lied to and swindled by the education industry, which has failed them, failed America and flunked its assignment -- and should be expelled for cheating.

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The usual problem
happens when socialist government steps in. Waste and fraud and nothing good comes of it. How about a tax break for all parents to send their kids to private school and then the socialist government run schools can shut their doors, the socialist teachers can go on to some other socialist place to teach, (like France) and use the old buildings for shelters.

As far as "dumbing down America", geez, watch Sean Hannity with the "man on the street" and you'll see how dumb some people are.

I actually saw one night where he was asking someone what war came before WWII and the person could not answer.
Same person never heard of the Korean or Vietnam wars. Probably today there are people who don't know we are fighting a war in Iraq.

Conservatives need to become teachers...
The problem is simple, and doesn't even (directly) involve the government nature of public schools -- the problem is that the people running the schools are so far to the left that Vadimir Lenin would complain.

Something needs to be done. But never forget that there are a few of us in education who aren't insane, who believe in conservative values, and who are deep DEEP underground...

Before "conservatives" go nuts...
This is hardly a left-right thing. Virtually everywhere you look in America, nobody encourages critical thinking and analysis. You think the megacorporations that run media empires are "liberal"? Ha! They are profit-making enterprises, and nothing more.

The free market itself encourages a large percentage of the population to be undereducated, because what are you going to do?...educate the 90% of the population that you'd rather have making your sandwiches and cleaning your toilets?

The whole thing is a sham. I don't believe "conservatives" truly want everyone (aside from THEIR kids) to be educated any more than I believe that "liberals" do.

Silly conservative
As a 'conservative' English teacher in a 'premier' educational system, allow me to speak to this issue.

I have been called on the carpet innumerable times by my adminstrators because of my 'high D/F ratio' - higher than my peers, that is, who are politically much smarter than I am.

When I have pointed out that the reason for the low grades is simply that students are not doing the work - if they don't do homework and therefore cannot pass the quizzes or tests, they cannot get a good grade - the response has been as follows:

"If students aren't doing homework, then homework is an unreasonable expectation and you shouldn't assign any."

"You shouldn't count the homework toward the grade."

"You should go over the material before you give the quiz" (although the easy quiz is designed simply to assure that the student has done the assignment).

"After all, the student is in class and is absorbing the lesson, right?"

Silly conservative moi - and I thought that the purpose of a grade was to indicate the students' mastery of the subject, not to indicate their attendance.

The focus of school administrators is to have the school 'look good' in the eyes of the public, not to actually ensure that students are learning either responsible life habits or the academic content material.

Additionally, the ranking of high schools by the Washington Post's Jay Mathews has led to the ultimate deception - that Advanced Placement and Honors courses are just that - advanced and honors. You see, he ranks the schools by how many students are 'enrolled' in AP courses, not by what scores they actually achieve on the AP tests. Therefore, in an effort to boost their ranking, schools are funneling completely unmotivated and unprepared students into these AP courses which, given the 'quality' of these students must dumb-down the material. Definitely no longer Advanced in any sense of the word.

Is it any surprise that I had my own children in private schools (as have most of my teacher colleagues) or that I am counting the days toward retirement?


hosekuervo
Don't confuse "educated" with "indoctrinated".

Reading vs Comprehension
Reciting words is not reading. The truth is probably less than 30% of Americans of any age can "read". This not new, going back to at least the twenties as it does. People don’t want to know what a thing means. Look at what they watch on TV and at the Movies.

Scholarships and sports
Perhaps a good place to start would be to insist that academic institutions give out scholarships based on academics only. I find it incredible that American further education bodies dish out thousands of sports scholarships but relatively few academic ones. Change has to come from somewhere, why not the top? If you don't have the grades to go to university you don't go, simple as that, no matter how well you put a ball through a hoop, no matter how well you hit a golf ball or how good you are at blocking. I remember Dexter Manley's trial on drugs charges - a university "graduate" who was illiterate. I don't know how common that is but if university places are dictated by sports recruitment, education lower down the scale is bound to become of less importance than sporting prowess. Why bother to do your homework if being good at football will take care of everything?

the trouble is...
Even in its most noble intentions, all students are never going to be equal in how and what they learn or retain. Everyone will not be able to achieve on the same levels as prescribed by a law. Something that might work out better is to offer several tracks of education. In my town, we had high school and then the vo-tech where kids who hated typical school would learn a trade-electrical,plumbing, construction...you get the picture. They had to take standardized tests, just like everyone else. But, in the end, those kids who had the choice were much more successful. I am lucky, all of my children don't seem to have any trouble with school. But I have tutored the children who lag. Their biggest problem is reading. It is the basis for anything they will do and if they don't have it, they'll be working at McDonald's or shoveling sh*t. Sorry, but that is how I see it.

PJ
I'm a liberal teacher. I share your frustration. In my district students to grade eight cannot be retained unless their parents sign a paper approving it. The result is many kids work the system and do little or nothing. In high school they are held accountable and the dropout rate is huge. Our school board shys away from demanding accountability and having to hold the students to a standard. The sad thing is that the kids are the real losers, badly prepared for life and having no real understanding of responsibility. An anecdote you might appreciate: a high school special ed student recently got a job at a fast food franchise. After he had been there a couple of weeks, he decided to skip work for three days to ahng out with his friends. When he came back to the job on the fourth day, the manager told him that he had lost his job. The kid replied, "You can't fire me. We haven't had a P.E.T.

So true
I recently resigned as a department Chairman in a dental school for this very reason. Do not think that this problem somehow magically disappears when these kids somehow graduate from college. It doesn't.

I do not know when the decline began, but I rather suspect it is a fruit of affirmative action on top of years of "I'm OK, you're OK" thinking. Once you say that standards may be different for different groups, and there are no abslutes in anything, it is a short leap to the conclusion that we do not need standards at all. Few students, or few people for that matter, have the innate drive to continue to achieve at high levels by dedicating their lives to studying at the expense of everything else when they see those around them "succeeding" with far less effort. Teachers are powerless because they cannot fail the students en masse even if this is what they deserve due to pressure from administrators far more concerned about their own careers than the health of the people they are supposedly serving.

Students today are a different breed. They can't, or won't, read beyond a few paragraphs, they expect lectures to be multi-media presentations with AV support on the level of a Lucas film, and they consider any failure on their part to learn as being a failure on the part of their teachers to teach. Personal responsibility never enters into the equation; they should be able to show up a couple times per semester to lecture, with IPod headphones in their ears, have a 50-minute snooze, and pass.

Meanwhile, the administration, seeing their abysmal performance, busies itself trying to decide if it is really "necessary" to include such difficult subjects as the basic sciences in the curriculum. After all, the students will be "clinicians" - why do they need to know anything about science?

And so the spiral downward, which explains why America is no longer the global source for knowledge and technology. It begins with parents who are enormously proud because their kids are so "good with computers", meaning they can play computer games and negotiate chat rooms. Are these kids learning to design or even program the computers? Hardly. Someone overseas, where there are still some educational standards, will do that. Our kids have all the basic 21st century survival skills - they can dye their hair, spend their parents' money in the mall, and talk on their cell phones. Beyond that, their level of achievement drops off sharply. I hope this is adequate preparation to take us to the next millenium.

This Article
Once in a great while I agree with the author of this piece. We Americans are being swindled every of every year by the people we are supposed educate our children. Case in point:
Unfortunately my school district is one of the smallest and poorest in our state. No, its NOT in the inner city, its out in the country. The superintendent makes, now over 85,000 a year.
Several years ago when he was working to help the district get our new school building they supposedly worked out his contract so he would get an 18,000 bonus if successful in getting funding and paperwork done earlier and gettting the school done and open on time. In this salary package he would get a ten percent pay raise every year for the next five years. Plus, any incentives or special bonuses that would happen. The year he got the school on track, he got the ten percent bonus as contracted, that put his pay up to 85,000, plus he got the bonus for the school building which made him over 100,000 dollars in salary for that year. Then the next year he would get 10% more on the 85,000.
I hadn't lived in the area that long but I did some checking to confirm the deal and found it to be true. I also found out that he was a Liberal Democrat in largely Republican area. The deal was checked by the "proper" people and now the superintendent does not get the ten percent a year raise he only gets what the regular teachers get, that being a 2.5 to 3 percent raise.
The problem with these sort of deals are now this man has achieved demi-god status in the town and district because he got the new building in, on time and just slightly over budget. He can get or have just about anything from there people he swindled, legally!
I have a friend who is the superintendent of a school district three and a half times larger and has 3,000 more students yet he only makes 68,00 a year?
QED!

Actually Lynne...
I know I'm on your ignore list now, but I'll reply anyway. According to CNN's 2004 election analysis, 52 per cent of college graduates voted for Bush as opposed to 46 per cent who voted for Kerry. But 55 per cent of voters with postgraduate degrees voted for Kerry as opposed to 44 per cent who voted for Bush. I guess that's one tiny snapshot of a single election but it would appear that the more education you have the more likely you are to be a Democrat.

two solutions to union-plagued schools
[my contemporaneous post on same general topic]

A Megatrend Realized--
John Naisbitt published his landmark book "Megatrends" 25 years ago. One of his prescient predictions was the inexorable rise of homeschooling.

My wife has homeschooled our 3 children for 15 years with OUTSTANDING results. We have observed that some homeschool for religious freedom reasons; that is incidental to us. We began the process after being shocked with the poor quality of the public school in a surprisingly upscale area. [Busing was a factor-- a theory later dubbed a terrible mistake by the guy who had engendered the idea-- but you never hear that.] My wife gave up a potentially excellent salary (she also has an MBA) for us to homeschool. As an aside, I now teach business as a second career at the college level, so I have some idea of what works and what does not with regard to teaching.

Like some other disciplines (airline pilots, federal employees), teaching in public schools is highly unionized. This leads to a number of limitations, among them "group think." Teachers whine incessantly about how they need to be better paid, etc.-- if only we would pay more to attract better talent, those test scores would get better. One trouble with this reckoning is that it is a crock! Here in Ga., the average school teacher with a B.A. degree makes mid-40's; that equates to the national average household income for a family of 4-- on one income with a couple of months off every summer, and great benefits! Also, the unions and bureaucrats fight any REAL accountability-- how can someone who cannot pass high school level tests themselves effectively teach your child anything?! In contrast, while still paying taxes to support the public school system, homeschool parents are dedicated and get EXCELLENT results.

Let's look at those results for a minute... homeschoolers average in the 85th percentile on standardized tests, though in theory they should average only 50%. The teaching parents generally do not have "education" degrees... there is more than a little message there-- education degress are often an oxymoron. Public schools spend a lot of time screwing around, while homeschoolers learn.

One last point... the teachers' union types love to pillory homeschooling because it calls attention to their collective incompetence/poor results and is horning in on their turf. One artful canard is to suggest that, notwithstanding the far superior test scores, homeschoolers will necessarily suffer from lack of social skills. Au contraire, the opposite is true, partly because self confidence tends to be much better, and homeschoolers have plenty of interactive social functions. Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and many other famous, successful people were homeschooled and did quite well when they went out among the madding crowd.

Homeschooling is continuing to grow as a "megatrend" because it WORKS, even as union-beleaguered public schools decline, despite being an ever-growing black hole of taxpayer funding. Teddy's No Bureaucrat Left Behind embraced by feckless Big Govt. Dubya will not change that sad trend.
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Private school?

We can speak to private school also... both parents were educated at excellent prep schools, and our middle child segued from home schooling to a very good private school for grades 10-12, where she has made all A's, and will now be a (total package top 100 freshmen) President's Scholar at Ga. Tech, the most academically competitive state univ. in the South (God's Country) ;~).

Our daughter seems to have benefited both from homeschooling (indubitably) and private school (to a lesser degree). We would take exception to the common purported (straw man) limitation of limited social interaction among homeschoolers-- one of various canards proffered lamely by the public teaching cabal. You would also be challenged to find homeschool grads who eschew the experience. Some private schools suffer from the social status maintenance syndrome, but this is a minor sacrifice for the academic freedom and accountability.

Private school does eliminate the teachers' union and other public education bureaucratic failings, but can cost a lot of $. Whether it is worth the cost varies, albeit it is low hangin' fruit to top the experience generally in public schools.

It is amusing how the public school fiefdom so resists the idea of vouchers (just as it denigrates homeschooling as a threat to its immensely-funded hegemonic near-monopoly), which are a popular idea among engaged minority parents. We are "pro choice" in this regard. There is a lot of evidence that the quality of education improves generally amid school choice options because the stifling hegemony of the self-aggrandizing unions and public education bureaucrats is stanched.

unionization

unions exist only to promote and protect the interests of their members, meaning the education of kids and the concerns of parents are secondary considerations--even under the best of circumstances.

why is it necessary for white collar, college-educated professionals to organize like fruit pickers? (no offense to fruit pickers intended)

hosekuervo
"It's a well known fact that the more educated a person is, the more likely it is that they will become a Democrat."

Please! What a joke of a statement. Do please provide me with the research studies that verify that claim.

The only reason that Democrats become more "educated" (supposedly), is that they find these comfortable little niches where they don't have to produce, don't actually have to work, and don't have to deal with the real world.

Don't blame unions
In Europe teaching is every bit as unionised as it is in the States, in fact probably more so. And yet educational standards across Europe remain very high - anyone ever met a German who had trouble reading or counting? And despite the obvious economic problems in France, they are a smart bunch of cookies. Practically every derivative desk in London is manned by French maths graduates. Smart people. And Scandinavia, that Godless unionised socialist area, has among the best educated populations in the world. Unions look after their members, for sure, but ask any teacher who comes first, the kids they are teaching or the union, and the answer will always be (or at least should always be) the former. To suggest otherwise disparages a huge number of hard working, honest people in public education.
The problem, for me at least, comes first with parenting. I remember as a child being forced to do my times tables from about the age of six. Boy I hated it, and it certainly didn't turn me into a mathematician, but it gave me a hell of a start, and I have my parents to thank for that.

Tunneler
I refer you to my reply of 7.35 to Lynne.

al and unions
al,

Actually, the union is there only to protect and promote the leadership. More often than not, the rank and file end up being victimized, it doesn't occur quickly and it tends to be subtle (at least in the beginning), but it always occurs.

If you doubt that veracity of this claim, see the state of the auto workers, the steel workers, and, if you can find any anymore, the garment workers unions. The teacher's unions don't care about the teachers, and they certainly don't give a rat's a** about the students. If that were the case, they would teach boys and girls differently (as is needed) rather than teaching boys like they teach girls (forced feminization and emasculation of boys), they would do away with quacks diagnosing ADD/ADHD and over prescribing ridalin (boys are tragically over-represented as being afflicted with ADD/ADHD), find ways to motivated and inspire boys (so they stay in school rather than dropping out, another statistic in which boys are tragically over represented), and promote the idea of vouchers to let children get out inner city schools and away from the rot and decay.

But teachers continue to teach everyone as girls, continue to shove ridalin down boy's throats like its candy, bemoan the fact that so many boys drop out and girls now make up almost two-thrids of college campus populations but change nothing, and everytime a voucher referendum comes up, see who's on the front line fighting against it; The ATF, NEA and the ACLU.

As an aside...
It's motivate rather than motivated, and
third rather than thrid.

My apologies for my lack of proof reading.

Europe vs. U.S.
reply to Critical Bill--
You cannot compare European or Japanese schools, e.g., to those here, except perhaps methodology... totally different challenges due to ethnicity. Hispanics here drop out even more than blacks-- both at appalling levels, thus assuring a cycle of propensity to poverty, crime, drugs, gangs, illegitimacy, substance abuse, etc., ad nauseam and ad infinitum. Many of our minority-plagued schools are armed camps of dysfunction vis-a-vis learning.

Those who embrace the North American Union, Scamnesty, multiculturalism, open borders, bilingual education, and "cheap" ILLEGAL alien labor are simply ineluctably DOOMING America with myopic ulterior motivations. "Cheap" labor will IN REALITY BE catastrophically expensive all-in. The parents of ILLEGALS typically have only a 7th grade education-- and will not get mas mejor (mo' betta') here... their myriad spawn are MUCH more likely to become hopeless, snowballing burdens to society.

More educated?
This business about Democrats being more "educated" than, I guess, Republicans (or read "conservatives") even if true, proves nothing if we are talking about the truly intelligent and informed citizen capable of functioning in our democracy. Never confuse "education" with intelligence or wisdom. If you want to measure education by counting the number of degrees obtained, maybe Democrats do have the edge. However, when you consider the radical left-wing drivel that passes for higher education in this country these days, what is the significance of the mere holding of degree(s)? If we are talking about the truly educated citizen that founders like Ben Franklin were talking about, my guess is that Republicans (again, read conservatives) have the real edge. This is because liberalism is essentially about emotional responses to civic problems while conservatism is fundamentally about intellectual responses to those problems.

When contemplating this "who's more educated" issue, keep in mind one more thing: in both the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections, the highest percentages of votes for the democratic candidate came from two groups: Those with doctoral degrees and high school dropouts. What does that tell you?

Gov't never was and never will be
the answer to this problem. We've been duped to think it will be. And we stay duped when hope it will be.

Education is so tied to the home it's rediculous how much this is ignored.
The best schools and teachers in the world won't help a kid whose home values dictate what's important.

On the note about Democrates and Education. I agree. A good education contributes greatly to producing clever devils. But that's a double-edged sword.

The foundation is values the inner structure is education the building is a persons life.

But alas. The values of the US, from what once they were, are becoming confused on an exponential scale. Dedictated by economy, media, and pop culture the church and the family are the only front to the assault on values.

Forget about whether someone know about the Korean war or not, the question is becoming, "do they know right from wrong?"

PJ
PJ has it right. I taught mathematics 12 years in Atlanta schools--all my students were minorities-I am not.
Here are some short facts.
Homework could not be counted in the grade average.
It was not allowed to teach geometric proofs.
Less than 5% of my students could read with comprehension.
My failure rate was never acceptable to the administration. I was even asked to change grades of athletes; I did not and would not.
We never had a white speaker during assembly in the 12 years I taught there.
The student body would stand and sing the "Black National Anthem" at all assemblies. I never complied and I was called on the carpet frequently.
There were multiple fights in the school every day. Profanity was rampant. We had stabbings but no shootings.
I wrote this statement on the board for every 9th grade class " Education is a process, not a result." In 12 years this statement was never properly interpreted or explained by a student.
Note: I had some wonderful students in my classes, many went to college and many excelled. I taught higher level math courses (mostly) and my students were college bound--they were a cut above the thugs that caused all the problems. Nevertheless, there was an element the upper level students had to contend with (daily), that were guilty of attempting to deny the more focused student the opportunity to learn.

Edukated voturs
To be honest I'm not sure that there's a whole heap of value in looking at voter deomgraphics. There isn't enough of a disaprity between the two parties to be able to read much into it; most of them split almost the same way as the popular vote. People vote for the candidate that they believe will best serve their own interests; same the world over. Hence those making a career in academics are more likely to vote Democrat, just as high school dropouts are too. And I guess people working for big corporations are more likely to vote Republican. Makes sense doesn't it? But it doesn't tell us much tht we don't already know.

Merry_go_boy
Marxists? Trotskyites? I have been in teaching for 37 years. These demons only exist in people's minds. Teachers are a reflection of society. We are Republicans, Democrats and independents. We all want the kids to learn and do well. Dr. Fred is right about the lack of motivation that we so often see at every level. Believe me, if we teachers could indoctrinate our students it would be to do their best, not some political agenda. Some people seem to need an enemy to rally against. Russia used to fill the bill. Now that Communism has fallen, (news to you?), people have turned on other Americans. The shadowy THEM, who must be hated and feared. Sad.

1962 New York Mets
Whether you are a baseball team or a nation, you're only as good as your personnel. The 1962 New York Mets were one of the worst baseball teams in history due to lousy personnel. Although the people of the United States do not have the same level of incompetence as the 1962 Mets, the current makeup of the American people lacks a wide base of intelligent people. The Third World population of America has exploded and, with it, the majority of those residing in the country are dull of mind. One can see a nation split in two between a vigorous, intelligent minority and a stupid proleteriate mass of people only interested in sensate pleasures. This is what the Left wants- a supine mass that not only votes Left and furnishes cheap labor but will be a constant putty for which to play sociogical games with. Unfortunately, much of the big business class also supports the current paradigm.

tunneler
Teachers shove ridalin down boys throats? Last I knew, I couldn't practice medicine. We are not allowed to give a student anything except simpathy medically. The parents hold the responsibility for their children's medical care and I'm sure that you would agree that they should.

The department of Education
Federal, has much to answer for. They have taken the education of our children out of local hands and placed it at the federal level. That, by the way, is unconstitutional, because this authority should belong to the state, not the fed.
When I was in school, you either knew the material or you didn't. You passed or failed accordingly. Now we have grading on a curve which causes children to pressure the smartest in the class to dumb down so as not to raise the curve. They are children and don't know what is good for them. They just know they don't want to have to work harder to get a passing grade. Grading on a curve was the start of the dumbing down of our educational system and everything the fed has done since has only added to the problem.

Monty;
As much as I hate to look at the hard facts, I fear you are correct. It ain't just the left.

We sometimes blame the left and the Democrats for all the ills of the last 40 years while at the same time chiding them for not winning an important election for 30. It would seem that if conservatives see the problem and have had the reins, why is it still such a problem?

hosekuervo;

"It's a well known fact that the more educated a person is, the more likely it is that they will become a Democrat."

Oh, contraire, mon fraire. The difference between educated liberals and conservatives is that the more educated of liberals are the more VOCAL, the squeakier wheels, and they gravitate toward the education system in order to give themselves a pulpit and indoctrinate our young.

Conservatives just go to work and you don't hear much from them (except to get your daily job instructions, that is).

Hustler;

'Look at what they watch on TV and at the Movies'

Bingo! The ailing education system has been turning out indoctrinated, half-educted students and THEN the left controlls their media, their only source of real information.

It's a wonder we haven't become an Orwellian 'Big Brother' society (or a 'Broke Back' one).

It is not only in grade school
I am a professor in a medical school. If we can get the students to read it is a miracle. Recently in a curriculum meeting, I suggested that we take questions directly from the book rather than use only the power point lectures. I was told that the students would get mad and complain. Now that is the main problem. We are tied to a system that gives far too much credence to the opinion of the students. If I give a detailed lecture to these people, I am subjected to a large number of negative reports when the students rate their lecturers. Yet the government is the agency that is demanding this appraisal of teachers. This needs to stop. The quality of MD being produced today is far less than 40 years ago when I went to school. At that time we were told they would flunk 30% of the class and they did. Not only did you fail but you went directly to Nam. Now that was an incentive to learn.

Easy to figure out
Pat:

Haven't you figured out public school education yet? Both parties do not want to educate the youth of America, especially the parts about how the Government works. The Government's philosophy is to keep the youth of America too stupid to figure out what the Government is up to. What do you think all the Dem. talking points about a "living, breathing Constitution" were about? Just let "Old Queen Hilly" get elected and the constitution will look like Swiss Cheese.

I am a teacher
I hate to be the one to say this, but some of the problem is the generation we are trying to teach. I'm a middle school teacher in Los Angeles and let me tell you: these kids hate to read. They hate it. They hate it, hate it, hate it.

You'll say, "Well, the stuff you pick for them to read is boring!" Let me tell you, I have gone to ridiculous lengths to try and get something that would interest them. One Saturday I was at a restaurant down in West Hollywood and I met a rap singer who had at least one popular song with video in good rotation on MTV. He was with his entourage. My friends said, "Oh wow, that's _____!" I thought this would get the attention of my students, this would be something they'd take an interest in.

I bounded up to the guy, introduced myself as a teacher, and he whipped out two fine, glossy pictures of himself, autographed them, and gave me a free CD.

I took the stuff to school that week, along with a very brief (two paragraph) history of the rap singer, which I printed up from his webpage. I borrowed a CD player. I found the popular song and ascertained that it didn't have any awful language in it. I told my students about my adventure, and passed around the pictures and the bio.

They were startled, pleased, rather impressed, and eager to listen to the song on the CD player. Then I said brightly, "Let's read this quick bio on _______ and find out a little more about him!"

Immediately, their mouths twisted with disgust, they turned their faces away from the paper as if I'd tried to make them eat catfood. They didn't want to read about him. They wanted to hear more songs, see more pictures, and then have free time. They are 13 years old and for the most part, they have no interest in anything but music, movies, sexual intrigue, and electronic games. And it does not matter what you give them to read. I suspect that unless it was a graphic description of sexual violence, they just wouldn't read it. It's depressing.

ken

"The parents hold the responsibility for their children's medical care and I'm sure that you would agree that they should."

Absolutely! Unfortunately, we are into something like the fourth generation of indoctrinated-from-grade-school adults, many of whom were not ready to deal with the real 'non-entitled' world, let alone parenthood. They are more than happy to turn over the onus of rearing their children while they belatedly try to learn how to assume the roll of provider for them, starting out with a second-rate education.

It's a tough row to hoe, when the concept of 'It Takes A Village' supplants personal responsibility, because ultimately, despite interference from the left, the responsibility IS the parent's.

I am a teacher
I hate to be the one to say this, but some of the problem is the generation we are trying to teach. I'm a middle school teacher in Los Angeles and let me tell you: these kids hate to read. They hate it. They hate it, hate it, hate it.

You'll say, "Well, the stuff you pick for them to read is boring!" Let me tell you, I have gone to ridiculous lengths to try and get something that would interest them. One Saturday I was at a restaurant down in West Hollywood and I met a rap singer who had at least one popular song with video in good rotation on MTV. He was with his entourage. My friends said, "Oh wow, that's _____!" I thought this would get the attention of my students, this would be something they'd take an interest in.

I bounded up to the guy, introduced myself as a teacher, and he whipped out two fine, glossy pictures of himself, autographed them, and gave me a free CD.

I took the stuff to school that week, along with a very brief (two paragraph) history of the rap singer, which I printed up from his webpage. I borrowed a CD player. I found the popular song and ascertained that it didn't have any awful language in it. I told my students about my adventure, and passed around the pictures and the bio.

They were startled, pleased, rather impressed, and eager to listen to the song on the CD player. Then I said brightly, "Let's read this quick bio on _______ and find out a little more about him!"

Immediately, their mouths twisted with disgust, they turned their faces away from the paper as if I'd tried to make them eat catfood. They didn't want to read about him. They wanted to hear more songs, see more pictures, and then have free time. They are 13 years old and for the most part, they have no interest in anything but music, movies, sexual intrigue, and electronic games. And it does not matter what you give them to read. I suspect that unless it was a graphic description of sexual violence, they just wouldn't read it. It's depressing.

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Sorry. I thought the first one didn't load.

ken
I didn't say "teachers" I said quacks. And every school has one or more of them.

einahteb
No that I want to tell you how to do your job - but rather than show them a rap singer, why not take them down to a soup kitchen? How many rappers (Kanye West, Young MC to name the only two I can think of) have had any kind of college education? Take them to a soup kitchen and then ask them if they think the people there are cool - I bet you don't get many putting their hands up. And inform them that if they don't learn to read they stand infinitely more chance of ending up there than on MTV.

What's new? It's never gonna change!
Teachers unions/ no choice/ family breakdown/ moral relativism/ post modern thought/ etc. etc. An old saying from AA says "If nothing changes/ nothing changes". It's like yea- throw more money at things- that's always the answer to just about everything. As Jesus said "Clean the inside of the cup and then the outside will be clean". We as a nation are unwilling to do it! It's as simple as that.

Outcome-based Educ. & Socialist Agenda
You probably have already done so, as your article implies, but if you look back to the late 50s and early 60s and the 'roots' of the "outcome based education" movement (didn't really come predominantly into play until late 80s, early 90s but was being subtly implemented all along), it was all done clearly as a part of the Socialistic agenda to "dumb down" our education system. It has produced what I call a society of "brilliant idiots" and as evidenced by your article and the NAEP test, along with many other articles and "tests", those within the system are well on their way to accomplishing their objective as they've removed character from our education system in order to 'produce' students who have much info and very little, if any, wisdom.

It is much easier to "convince" others that your ideology is "right" if they really can't think for themselves (critically with character). The systematic and intentional stripping away of character has done exactly what they purposed for it to do.

By the way, I have 2 Education degrees (BA an MA) and taught in public and private school systems for nearly 15 years.

Thanks for your bold and truthful article!

Dumbing Down of America?

Radical surgery needed
Shut down all teachers schools and force potential teachers to become educated in universities of higher learning.
Stop funding education federally and get the bureaucrats out of the educational system.
Institute a voucher system.

CB
You were partially correct about a very slight majority of "postgraduate degrees" voting for dems. They're called career college students. Many college professors have never tasted real life and live a fantasy world of marxist ideology - of course they vote for liberals.

...and yes, the unions are very much to blame. You must read Linda Chavez's book, "Betrayal: How union bosses shake down their members and corrupt American politics". Even the most extreme leftist will agree after reading this book.

Lastly, two-word solution: School Vouchers.

Deliberate Dumbing down of Americans!
I highly recommend you take a look at this site. You can view documents that tell you exactly what is going on with our education. The "dumbing down" of America is quite intentional.

http://tinyurl.com/3azbrj

"Riddle me this Batman"
I have a question for any liberals reading this column. One of you please answer this for me.

Q: Why does the liberal/democrat crowd support and fight for "freedom of choice" when it comes to aborting our kids, but are adamantly opposed to "freedom of choice" when it comes to educating our kids?

Please help me to understand.

Icedog
Not much of a riddle really - I have no objection to choice in education. In fact, I have no objection to choice full stop. That's what makes me a liberal.

I've got a better question Lynne
Who is raising our children-parents or government? Yes, I know some will immediately say it's the parents' responsibility of which I agree. However, how many parents are aware that when they sign the parent/student handbook and return it to the school, they are NOT signing to indicate they received it? In fact, in signing it, they turning parental control over to the school. And if they don't sign it, the student is punished. Public schools DO usurp authority and power over children. When a parent objects, the student suffers. I saw this too many times to count, not just with my children but with many others. How many are aware of the NCD report? That's the committee formed by congress, National Committee on Disabilities, who investigated all 50 states in a five year period to see who was in compliance with FEDERAL law, IDEA. How many states did this committee find to be in compliance? Their final report was so shocking, it goes to the root of many problems in public schools because the answer was ZERO! NO state was in compliance with federal law. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm....so, educators across the country think they don't have to follow laws???? And what does that teach the kids? I know some will say IDEA is an 'entitlement' program but it isn't really. What do you say to the kid that has chronic asthma, noted by a qualified doctor, whose asthma prevents him from attending class regularly but he makes up ALL of his work with GOOD grades and is still threatened with retention due to 'too many days missed'? IDEA is supposed to prevent such threats but I know of one kid in that predicament (not my child-a neighbor's child). A simple, non-cost accomodation on an IEP for this kid would solve his problems-give him the time he needs to complete all assignments without any consequences (ie lower grade for turning it in 'late') if his 'tardiness' is a DIRECT cause of his asthma. Duh! How hard is that? Unfortunately, teachers these days are not trained to deal with kids with learning/behavioral disorders, so they have no clue as to how to handle them. And heaven forbid if a PARENT tries to do something about it. I'VE been down THAT road! Heck! Even WITH an IEP, there is no guarantee it will be followed even though that is illegal. Been there, done THAT, too! I could go on and on. Maybe I should write a book. I've got enough material on this subject.

Homeschool
Homeschool. Homeschool. Homeschool. Homeschool.

And let me add, "Homeschool".

Make the sacrifices necessary and just do it.

We did and still are. And every day I'm impressed at how fast our children pick up on things and how excited they are about learning.

No, it's not possible for everybody-- I will need to concede that.

But if you're vacillating, then let me put the plug in to HOMESCHOOL!

If enough people make the statement through doing this, then just perhaps a message will be sent loud and clear. And maybe, just maybe we'll finally start seeing some changes.

I don't know. I still think our children are much further ahead being homeschooled.

We're pretty active in the homeschooling community in our state and have seen many laws that would be detrimental to homeschooling be soundly defeated while still in committee.

This article pretty well sums up why those who homeschool and private school their children have voices that are being heard louder and louder. You simply can't deny the achievements homeschooled students are making.

Even Paul Harvey today spoke on the positive influence of homeschoolers at schools of higher learning. Although I think the stats he shared, while positive, were still understated.

CB
You, as an individual, may support school choice, but you would definitely not be welcomed by the DNC. The dems have been fighting against this for years now.....and for one BIG reason:

American Federation of Teachers Total Political Contributions for last 9 elections (1990-2006):
Dems - $22, 855, 351 (99%)
Repubs - 234, 200 (1%)

http://www.opensecrets.org

"It's all about the children, our future." Yeah right.

Liberal policies have wrecked education
In the '60's the US had one of the best educational systems in the world. Today we have one of the worst. And the difference has been the imposition of liberal policies.

1. It used to be illegal for public employees to strike. But in the late sixties a judge decided it should be OK. Since then virtually all public school teachers have become unionized. And the cost of hiring them has steadily gone up while the quality of our education system has gone down. The two national teachers unions are the 2nd and 4th largest contributors to the DNC.

2. This point is for ken. Liberals have imposed the policy of "social promotion" on the system. Students are promoted from one grade to the next because the system is more worried about their "self-esteem" than whether they are learning the material. Kids may be lacking education, but they're not stupid. They quickly figure out that they will be promoted and eventually graduate onschedule whether they do the work or not, so why work? This indoctrinated attitude persists when they get jobs as young adults. They think they're being paid to be there and can't believe they are actually expected to work for their paycheck.

3. Regarding complaints about parents. Parenting is tough enough for two biological parents who are committed to each other and their children above all else. Yet liberal doctrine (mostly feminist) dictates that single motherhood must be socially acceptable. Hence we have women (and girls) living alone with little or no skills to earn a living and trying to raise one or more children. Women who can't even pay the rent and feed themselves on what they can earn in the job market trying to raise kids and participate in their education. Fewer than 30% of all children are living with their biological parents. Education is one of many things in kids' lives that just don't work well this way.

4. For PJ, who noted that school administrators seem more concerned with attendance than with achievement. This is because government aid is based on attendance and not achievement. Pay for the district, and indirectly for the administrators and teachers, is based on attendance, not achievement. So administrators don't want ken and PJ to be flunking students because they might get low self-esteem and drop out, thus reducing government funding. This is also why hooliganism is tolerated more than it should be. If you expel all the troublemakers your funding will be reduced.

5. The essence of liberal attitudes on education was exemplified about 8 or 9 years ago in Detroit. The community got together to rebuild the city and its image. As part of the initiative citizens volunteered their labor and local businesses volunteered their products and services to spruce up the schools during summer break. Everyone had a great feeling of hope and anticipation as the start of the new school year approached.

So how did the teachers show their appreciation for this? They called a totally unanticipated strike two days before the start of school. Nobody even knew they had a grievance when the strike ws announced. Their attitude was epitomized by a teacher who dismissed the freebies the community had given the schools by saying "A few buckets of paint. Big deal." And the 'quality' of the teachers in the district was apparently captured on the sign of a picketing teacher, which responded to the latest offer from the district with "No way Hosay" (even poster hosekuervo knows this is NOT how you spell Jose). But by the late '90's it was not uncommon for teachers to be ignorant and not the least bit apologetic about it.

6. Public shooling in California is so bad that home-schooled children beat public school kids by a wide margin on statewide achievement tests. The state's reaction? They outlawed home schooling so public schools wouldn't have to bear the embarassment and humiliation. This was done by one of the most liberal legislatures anywhere and by political hack governor Gray Davis who was virtually owned by the state's public employee unions.


Don't tell me that the collapse of education in this country is not a liberal legacy.

wiseone
Another superb post. Thank you.

Unfortunately, if they read your post, most of our libs will be forced to ignore your well-argued points and move to another column.

The source of the problem
begins when a person, gov't and/or society makes that every so subtle spiritual substitution. That is, to substitute living under Christ, for living under their own ingenuity. When that happens education is not the problem, morality is.

And all the kings men and all the kings horses can't fix this.

Isaiah "He feeds on ashes: a deceived heart has turned him from a sound mind, because of that he cannot deliver his own soul, or even ask himself, Isn't there a lie in my right hand?"

A decieved man, gov't and society is a force too big for education to solve.

The blame game
Just like all of America's woes, the rubbish performance of public education has to be the fault of liberals. Is there anything that conservatives are willing to accept some responsibility for? Because let's face it, with the odd exception you've been running the show for most of the last 40 years. Seems to me that if it is all the fault of liberals, conservatives must have done one shocking job of implementing their own policies. Either that or one conservative administration after another did nothing about it. And you're all blaming nasty, lazy, good for nothing liberals? Get over it. Many education policies have failed, no doubt about that. Something is going wrong in American education, no doubt about that. But it's all liberals fault?? Pathetic.

CB
"I have no objection to choice in education. In fact, I have no objection to choice full stop. That's what makes me a liberal."


And kudos to you. Except this makes you a CLASSIC liberal, by the dictionary meaning of the term "liberal". It has nothing to do with today's Hollywood-McGovern liberals, nor does it have anything to do with today's liberalism's succubus, socialism. Choice and competition in education (and elsewhere) are what today's conservatives fight for, not liberals. The only areas that today's liberals are interested in as far as choice is concerned, are abortion and special privileges for alternate sexual lifestyles.

buzzzzzzzzzzzzcat
Not going to be drawn into a conversation about what it means to be a liberal nowadays; liberals are for a huge variety of choice, even if you mistakenly believe that they are socialists. Stop listening to Coulter and Limbaugh for a minute and try thinking for yourself for a minute.

Same Song ...New Verse

.....Pat ...

.....Conservatives know the answer but do not have the will or the power to implement it ...

.....Peppermint called it in the first post ...get the government out of the education business and let the taxpayers keep their money to pay private school tuition ...everyone knows that when something is "free" it has no value ...

.....Free government run public education was #10 in Marx's Communist Manifesto ...the purpose was to indoctrinate students with a politically correct ideology and to fit them into a Socialist slot in a workers paradise ...this is the system we are following today ...thanks Karl ...

....If parents had to pay for their childrens education directly out of their paycheck ...instead of indirectly through a school tax ...then they would demand quality ...but somehow they think they can just pay the tax and turn their children over to the government and somehow this is "free" ...

.....when the Republicans suggested shutting down the Department of Education the Liberal led uproar fed by the media was so strong that the GOP quickly backed down ...so the public has spoken ...they want their taxes to go to the government to educate their children ...so deal with it .....COLOSSUS

PJ
I just wanted to tell you thank you for standing up for what's right. I have some friends who are teachers and they tell me much the same. No one is doing our children any favors by passing them, when they do not know the material.

Deliberately dumbed-down
I'm going to post this again. There are documents here that will show you that our children have and are being DELIBERATELY dumbed-down. Have we, as Americans, become so lazy and apathetic that we do not care?

http://tinyurl.com/3azbrj

CB
I won't let you get away with your distortions. Today's liberalism IS about socialism. It IS about collectivism. It is about government theft of producers to redistribute assets to non producers. It IS about government-mandated "solutions" (which in real life are never solutions, only greater problems) to any and every of the myriad of "problems", most of them trivial, that do-gooder liberal types come up with every day. Today's liberalism IS about control of our daily social and economic lives by government authority. Empowering individuals is anathema to today's liberals, who I repeat are socialists by the classic definition of the term. The assaults enedmic today on individuals, on corporations, on producers come solely from the Left. Liberalism USED to be libertarianism, today it is the direct opposite. Government (not public, which is a misnomer) education in the U.S. is the premier example of the philosophy of liberalism, which extols mediocrity over achievement. Any and every conservative suggestion or solution to improve the education system is shot down and trampled by the liberal establishment which has a stranglehold on government education. All we need is choice and freedom, anathema to liberals, your protestations notwithstanding. If liberals are all about choice, as you say, then why are they against the money in this country following the CHILD, not the school?

Accuse me all you want of somehow being a Limbaugh or Coulter parrot. Is that the best you can do? It doesn't change the facts.

Cycle of Empires
Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat it.

I guess that is aprapoe to the situation at hand.

Machivelli and many others have pointed out the basic cycle of Empires and why they all collapse.

When the Empire is being built the people have to sacrifice, work hard, take huge risks and endure many hardships.

Once the Empire has been built though the very character that made that Empire what it was changes.

Parents spoil their kids. Parents look back at their past and try to shelter their kids from the injustices they were subjected too. Parents want to give their kids a childhood they were denied.

And so it is that parents of character can raise generations slovens.

Success becomes failure. The very comforts that parents worked to obtain become cacoons of risk aversion for their children.

My nephews are far better at Nintendo than they are at school.

When I was growing up I had to cut grass, deliver newspapers at 5:00am and shovel snow for extra money to give to the family.

Do American families ask such of their children today?

Those who forget their history are doomed to repeat.

Like any Empire, America is experiencing a cycle.

The question is will we comes to grip with this history and build the bulkheads of discipline and charcater to fend off the eminent collapse of success's prediction?

CB: The Blame Game
Certainily the blame lies with the teachers unions and the teachers unions are liberal( read neo-commie).
As with any union the first item on the agenda is securing the jobs of its union members, ie; tenure, union thugs etc.
The second item is perks for union members, ie ;health benifits, retirement, etc.
The third item on the agenda is eliminating any competition, ie; the resistence to ANY other forms of education, homeschooling, school choice. The fourth agenda item is indoctrination of those they are supposed to educate, ie; eco indocrination, peace demonstations by third graders etc.
A distant last, if considered at all, is educating the children. Government run education is a failure. And big government centerlized planned education is a liberal idea in action. Liberaism is neo-communism. No excuses for the rest of us for letting it happen.

The real victims?
I am not a Buchanan fan by any measure.
I rarely bother to read his column, however this is a subject that needs exposure and Pat sheds light on it.

Real Victims?
Pat states "Taxpayers are being lied to and swindled"
The children who are being swindled of a chance to learn are the real victims.
People ARE what they know.
Our entire lives are part of a learning process.
Each thing you learn becomes a permanent part of you and makes you more than you were before.
Schools are intended to BUILD PEOPLE by teaching basic tools of learning.
What does the future hold for someone who can't read? or add or subtract? They are not even able to self improve! Or even fill out an application for an honest job!
Children's hopes for the future have been flushed down the toilet by selfish teachers and school administrators who worship Leftist Politics and care nothing for their students.
Most school children today have no idea who Dick Cheney is but they all know who Al Gore is and have all been thoroughly indoctrinated in AGW theory.
Sorry about the length of this. Got wound up.

While a number of problems exist.
Like giant unions that have been allowed to exert great influence politically and Liberalism (how does a drop out and feel good culture succeed, teaching?).

I think the greatest amount of blame belongs to the forced loss of discipline and control of children, this is the worst possible favor we could have perpetrated upon our own kids.

The kids rights campaign with all it's good intentions (we all know where that road goes) has gone well past protecting children from harm to teaching them that they are in charge and kids can do whatever they feel like and with very little consequence.

I saw a commercial some years back it ended with a teenage girl proudly proclaiming, I am an American teenager, I can do whatever I want!

With zero control and zero discipline, no one learns, anything.
Not adults and even less, kids.

Parents need to know that they will have the backup of the community behind them and that their kids must obey.
The teachers need to know that the parents will back them up and that the kids must obey or they, after answering to the school, that their parents will follow up and the kids will obey.

I'm for protecting children from harm, in spades.

Without structure, discipline and kids behavior kept humble, kids won't have the tools they need to learn and we as parents owe them that.

immigrants = freeloading *criminals*?
tanabear wrote:
< < It is not to strong of a statement to say that immigration has destroyed California'a public education system. How can we improve education for Americans when were to busy trying to educate freeloading criminals? > >

Huh? I can buy the idea that immigrants can put pressure on an overloaded system. I can buy the idea that people who enter the country illegally are criminals. I can buy the idea that people who pay no taxes and don't provide useful work are freeloaders (though I'm not sure if illegal immigrants doing back-breaking work qualifies as such).

But you just conflated immigration with being a freeloading *criminal*. Surely by throwing in the word "criminals" you meant *illegal* immigration, right?

What do you expect from the government?
I still can't believe how people complain about the government, then ship their children off to government schools and expect the results to be good. Oh wait, we call them "public schools" so it sounds better.
Many parents simply get a letter in the mail stating "your childs teacher is Mr. or Mrs. XYZ" and that is enough. Maybe they show up for an hour to meet said teacher before hand. You send little Johnny off for 6 - 8 hours at a time at the mercy of someone you couldn't pick out in a police line up.
Our governor cancelled classes two days a year ago due to the gas "crisis". The biggest complaint from parents was what to do with their children for those 2 days. Folks, these are your children and you are turning them over to the government for the most critical time in their life, the most critical hours of their day.
While many parents complain about government school in general, they always seem to think "their" school is one of the good ones. No, your kids school is not one of the good ones.
How many parents actually read the textbooks their kids get assigned? How many just pop in to the school to see how the day is going.
By and large your child is nothing more than an number to the school district. A birthdate, a test score, a seat being filled that is worth X amount of dollars.
Of the many government school teachers that I know, most of them refuse to send their child to the school they teach at - they see up close and personal what goes on. And believe me, however bad you think it is - it is really 10 times worse. When you send your child "off" to school you become simply a participant in their upbrining. Don't believe me, let a school teacher or administrator strongly disagree with one of your parenting decisions. Let them turn you in to the authorities for something they "think" may not be okay.
And Ken, you mentioned teachers don't put pills in the mouth of kids. Well, not exactly, but close enough. When my niece was in 1st grade, her teacher didn't like that fact that she was a sassy little girl. She complained to the school and my sister was informed that she was not allowed to bring my niece back to school until she was evaluated by a psychiatrist for ADHD. Luckily my sister was smart enough to choose her own doctor, rather than go to the "school recommended" doctor. My sister learned my niece was simply bored in class and nothing more. When the teacher found out my niece would not be medicated into obediance she was storming mad and didn't want my niece back in class. Sorry, but that is as close to putting pills in the mouth of kids that you can get.
We will be making great sacrifices to homeschool our kids, but any sacrifice is worth it. We are a family and we have more committment to family than to make my kids nothing more the government fodder.
You have parents today that are setting aside thousands of dollars to send their kids off to college when very little learning takes place there (I know, I am a professor for a private college). We no longer inpart knowledge into students - we teach them how to "do" rather than how to "think". At 18 they have to decide if they want to be a doctor, lawyer, accountant, etc. Rather than being equipped with knowledge and a love of learning that would allow them to enjoy a number of different professions. Nope, we want kids to "learn their place" and get ready to be at the mercy of a business owner or coporation for their income. These kids spend 12 years in government school and when they get to my class they still don't know the difference between two, to, and too. But hey, all they really care about is getting a piece of paper so they can go get a job and afford cable TV, a blue tooth, and a nice car. Oh yea, and IPOD would be nice as well.

commies under the bed
Although a liberal and unionist, I do have conservative friends and we do agree on some things. Education is one of them.

If an employee asks for a raise, does that make him a communist? If a union negotiates a raise, that makes them communist. Give me a break, please. Just because someone asks for a raise does not mean you have to give it to them. Who ever negotiates with teacher unions has been caving in to demands for a long time. Stop. Just say no.

Ronald Reagan showed how to break a union. They had a no strike clause, they struck, he fired them.

You want to break the teacher unions? Let them strike. Hire replacement baby sitters (literally - they can be no worse than many teachers) and break the union.

What am I saying? All of this would require backbone in a politician.



My son got started in a Christian
Pre-School, but when he went to public kindergarten, the fecal material hit the rotary occilator. He immediately came home with unrealistic assignments. The had come to the conclusion that he needed to be held back in his third week of kindergarten. In his best interest we agreed, but wonder if it was the right decision.
Now he is a year behind all of his friends and yet, he still struggles. He learns well, and gets great marks for his behavior, but he gets angry when I try to correct anything he does wrong. If he begins spelling a word and misses a letter, I try to tell him the correct letter. I do this so that I do not re-inforce the improper spelling in his mind. It makes him angry to be corrected, and he yells. I just wonder if we could home-school him with his temper. I admire Cathy and the others who homeschooled their children. Like I said, I would love to homeschool Zach, but with his temperment, I am not sure my wife can handle it, and she would have to. I work 40-50 hrs per week, but I would teach him math anyway.
My wife is great at accounting math, but I completed two master's degrees with Calculus, and Diff E, so I am tagged for the math.
He is adopted and we were cautioned not to use corporal punishment but he gets spankings anyway. It is hard to know how much his actual heritage has on his temperment.

Bleeding Heart
You fail to grasp one key factor in your point. Yes, teachers are allowed to ask for raises, but the way it works for them is not the way it works for the rest of us.

The union (libs) go to the school board (more libs) and demands a raise. The school board obviously approves the raise (or benefits) and forces the local government (you and the rest of us) to pay for the raise.

For the rest of us, the person granting the raise is also the person paying for that raise. If it is not deserved, you won't be getting squat.

TAP001
I'm not a teacher but I am a parent.
With my three I learned that you have to keep your temper in your pocket while helping with homework.

Zach is probably yelling because it's too much for him to handle all at once (dealing with you and trying to get something done he doesn't like).

I suggest you slow down and break down into small enough pieces (however small it takes) what he's doing so he can digest and understand you, his work and so that he can gain confidence through achievement.

What solutions do we have?
Mr. Buchanan-

I appreciate the information in your article, and I hope that your next column will present some solutions that can solve the education dilema you pointed out.

Unfortunately, most of the comments about your column just complain about the situation without offering viable solutions. Homeschooling isn't always possible and is hard - I'm doing it, vouchers only help if you have access to private schools and are low income - I am rural and middle-class so no help to me there, and changing the way parents raise their kids through legislation is difficult .

In my years of trying to obtain a decent education for my children, the only solution I've found to the problem at large was laid out in an article by a former government minister from New Zealand:

http://www.hillsdale.edu/imprimis/2004/04/

This article is entitles "Rolling Back Government: Lessons from New Zealand." As it's title implies, it is all about reducing government. The 4th paragraph under the heading "Subsidies, Education, and Competitiveness" detailes how this process worked with public education in New Zealand. Each school runs itself with a board of trustees elected by the parents from each school. No school district telling them what to do and sucking up all the money (private schools somehow manage to run without a big school district telling them what to do). Each school gets the same amount of money PER STUDENT from the government, so it is in the best interest of the teachers to put out a good product (education) to attract more students (customers) or lose their job for lack of students (as a result of consumer choice). Brilliant - it's like privatizing education, but still having taxes cover the cost!

This method worked in New Zealand! It improved their students' education from below the international average to above it, and it gave parents school choice, even private school, funded by the government - all in three years!

By the way, more students actually migrated from the private schools to public schools, because the public schools were now being run like private schools! Everyone wins except the people with the superfluous jobs. Superfluous jobs don't exist much in the private sector, why should we taxpayers fund them in the public sector?

Sorry this is so long - it's a topic dear to my heart. I spend an average of three hours a day homeschooling and an average of five and a half hours a week volunteering in public school (down from three hours a day last year because I had a new baby). This is obviously a priority in my life.

#1 Homeschooling
Some points and reply to article OVERALL,
if you are surprised that your child
learns more being homeschooled than they
would going to school, I would have to ask
why? Of course they do. So would any
student who had a private tutor.

Homeschooling is in theory (assuming the
parent gives up work) the most expensive
form of education. Whether or not the
cost is worth it is for every parent to
decide.

Even if your child goes to school it is
your duty as a parent to "school them"
at home.

All Americans have a stake in the public
schools whether or not they have children
in them. If 88% of school age children
attend they are our future (cliche I know)
whether we like it or not.

#2 teachers, unions, and pay
The belief that teacher unions negatively influence student outcomes is wrong.

Please compare the following 2 maps,
one on Right to Work states, the other on attainment:

http://www.uschamber.com/icw/reportcard/default
http://www.nrtw.org/rtws.htm

Public teachers cannot strike. At best a
strike can last “legally” only as long as it
takes a judge to give a “back to work” order,
which is usually in an hour or two

FWIW I am for raising teacher pay so that it
becomes a "PREFERRED PROFESSION." See this
College Board report to find out more:
http://www.collegeboard.com/press/releases/110755.html

Teachers do make the difference.
Pay them well and hold them accountable for
what their students learn (or don't)

#3 Liberals and choice
What Liberals and Democrats believe about
choice is varied.

See this page at the Progressive Policy
Institute to learn that they are for
vouchers and choice:

http://www.ppionline.org/ppi_ka.cfm?knlgAreaID=110

Personally, I am for restricting choice to
public schools. Of course, parents are free
to educate their child privately or at home.
I support this too, but not with taxpayer $

illegitimacy
has to be another problem for schools and teachers!
If I was out of line in any aspect of school, my mom AND dad would show up.

Like critical bill, I hated it; but it did indeed give me a head start!

#4 Immigrants and eduction
I am for educating the immigrants, not
blaming them for every problem as many
on this list are.

Schools need to adjust to changes in
demographics, no matter what they are,
and provide effective instruction. For
instance, in the school I teach in we
had 4 wheelchair bound students enter
last year. Schedules, rooms, and where
necessary work was changed to help these
students succeed.

OFF TOPIC:
truthserum and Loribme,
I have responded to some of your immigration
posts on the Greenberg article:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/PaulGreenberg/2007/02/27/on_fighting_the_problem

Striking
I can only speak for Maine, but public employee strikes are illegal here. So there has never been one and there shouldn't be. We all knew the rules when we took the job.

Roger Berry
You wrote, "I suggest you slow down and break down into small enough pieces (however small it takes) what he's doing so he can digest and understand you, his work and so that he can gain confidence through achievement."

I've found the same advice works well when arguing with liberals.

Stupid in America:
John Stossel's excellent piece on the state of public education explains it all. Public education is a government monopoly and the teacher's union are at the root of the problem. The teacher's union is doing the same thing to public education that the UAW did to the American automobile industry.

And we all know that government monopolies can't do anything efficiently, except spend our money.

I agree 100% with Lydia, vouchers are the answer. The free market has made the American economy great, lets put that same freedom in education.

#5 The article
Pat, I haven't forgotten about you!

I read the NAEP report differently than most
here on the list. What I inferred from the
results is what some have alluded to that
the students today are results oriented,
they want to know what’s on the test and
that is all.

The idea of learning for learning’s sake is
mostly lost.

This brings us to reading which for most is a
chore, worse than a dental visit. I’ve found,
they’ll do it only if they are going to be
tested on it.
And this loath of reading is not just kids,
the last report on reading showed adults
reading much less than they used to.

In case you didn’t know results from private
schools echoed the results of the public
schools.
So, this isn’t a public v. private debate.
I would say it is a cultural phenomenom.
(A recent NCES report showed public schools doing
just as well at educating students as private
schools, when economic background of students
are considered.)

(NOTE:
You should ignore all statistics about SATs
that date back this far. Why? Because as time
went on more students and a greater percentage
of students took the test. So the population
was not static. Thus, the results tell us little.
The NAEP is a much better guide.)

Buchanan mentions the A Nation at Risk report,
the College Board Report on Teachers and an
Uncertain American Future has been heralded
as the new Nation at Risk report:
http://www.collegeboard.com/press/releases/110755.html
see comments on the report here, many
by yours truly:
http://www.ednews.org/community/showthread.php?t=38

Of course the new NAEP reports could be
overstated as the _Nation at Risk_ report was:
http://www.edutopia.org/magazine/ed1article.php?id=Art_1798&issue=mar_07


to Critical Bill
I'm sorry, but these kids would laugh and point at the poor sods in the soup kitchen, and then go back to playing PSP. They get free lunch so their parents can afford to buy them iPods. You tell them what is going to happen to them, and they look at you with hard, smirking eyes. I try like mad, but this is a generation that has already figured out that the tax payer is *always* going to be there to foot the bill.

Stossel Stupid on America
The Stossel report was laughable.

The AFT issued this rebuttal.
If you read it you do not need
to see the program since it takes
you through every scene:

It's in pdf format and 20+ pages long
http://www.aft.org/presscenter/downloads/sidebyside.pdf

Some Edwatchers also lampooned this
program:

Gerald Bracey has put out his Rotten Apples Awards
(http://www.america-tomorrow.com/bracey/EDDRA/ )
and the last page is dedicated to Stossel and his
unethical Stupid in America program, a selection:

"You can see a good analysis,
“Stupid is as John Stossel does” at The Daily Howler, http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh011706.shtml

Maybe then you can answer my question:
Why do those Belgian kids who do so
well on the test
(what test in what subject is never revealed)
appear to speak English with an American accent? "

everyone'sfacts
Your post about teachers being underpaid is a common defense of government education. The faulty logic follows that if teachers are underperforming we just need to pay them more money. In our capitol, tuition for private schools is currently $4-6K per year and we are paying over $10K per year, per student, for public education. I’m sure I don’t need to tell you that the students in the private schools are far outperforming their peers in the public schools.

Also, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, public school teachers earned $34.06 per hour in 2005, 36% more than the hourly wage of the average white-collar worker and 11% more than the average professional specialty or technical worker.

I don’t believe more money is the answer.

New Zealand
The one thing I know about New Zealand's
educational system is that if you are
not reading at grade level by I believe
grade 3 they (the school, the state)
will assign said student a tutor for
one on one tutoring until the student
is up to grade level. During this time
almost all other schooling stops. When
the student is back up to level they
rejoin the class.


CB & the blame game
Critical Bill said: “Because let's face it, with the odd exception you've been running the show for most of the last 40 years. Seems to me that if it is all the fault of liberals, conservatives must have done one shocking job of implementing their own policies. Either that or one conservative administration after another did nothing about it.”

I agree with the point of not blaming one particular group, but let’s set the record straight. Congress was controlled by Democrats for 40 years prior to 1994, at which time the basis of our current educational system was formed. State & city school systems have also been dominated by Democratic administrations for decades. Republican presidential administrations could, and should, have done more, but were hardly “running the show” the last 40 years. Any blame, or credit for that matter, for what has happened to this country educationally over the last half century certainly needs to take into account the longstanding control of power by the Democrats.

Icedog
You must be a fast reader.

The report from Jay Greene that
you allude to is questionable at
best, deceitful at worst.
Greene and the Manhattan Institute
make no attempt to find out how
many hours teachers actually work.


Even the American Enterprise Institute
questioned it:
http://www.american.com/archive/2007/february-0207/measuring-a-teacher2019s-worth
Here is another rebuttal:
http://epsl.asu.edu/epru/epru_2007_thinktankreview.htm

You also conflate per pupil spending
with teacher pay. They are not the
same thing.

Several reports have shown that the quality
of the teacher in the class influences the
student retention. But this corollary is
not enough even intelligent teachers can
be bad at teaching, so teachers need to
be held accountable with their jobs.
In return, society pays a small price
with the pay mentioned in the report.

What crisis?
The "crisis" in public education has been going on since at least the 1970s, yet somehow America still leads the world in science and technology, and for some reason American colleges still educate the best and brightest from every other country in the world.

America's best students are the best in the world. America's average students might score below average on some tests, but you don't need a degree in nuclear physics to work at Wal-Mart. The vast majority jobs in the United States require little or none of the knowledge that is taught in college or even high school. This might sound shocking to an upper middle class reader like you, but research US employment statistics and you'll find that for every engineer there are a hundred people asking if you want fries with that.

If there is a problem, Unions aren't it. If teachers' unions were abolished, average teacher pay would quickly decrease, so average teacher quality would decline right along with it. If you believe in capitalism and the profit motive, you must accept the logic that higher salaries attract more and better job candidates. Lower salaries would drive the best and brightest teachers out of the profession.


Icedog
"I've found the same advice works well when arguing with liberals."

"(however small it takes)"

Yes, well when I wrote that I didn't take into consideration that an electron microscope would come into the equation.

everyone'sfacts
I'm not sure how many hours an average teacher works, but I know I have a 10th grader and a 12th grader who attend "one of the best public school systems in the country" and I have been very unimpressed with the large majority of their teachers.

It is very common for most of their teachers to spend half the class time “grading” papers and homework by having the other students do the grading. Some teachers even give a “check” if the kids did their homework or a zero if they didn’t – doesn’t matter if it is completely wrong, as long as there is something written on the paper, you’re good to go.

These lazy teachers existed when I was in school, but they were very rare. It’s too bad they are commonplace now.

everyonesfacts
You said, "I am for educating the immigrants, not
blaming them for every problem as many
on this list are."

I assume you are talking about ILLEGAL ALIENS here. I suggest to you that you 1. sell all your assets 2. clean out your bank account and then, march right down and donate same to the school system. For myself, I do not appreciate your belief that it is ok to rape and plunder other American's bank accounts and children's education to further your belief that we should educate the whole d*mn world.


YOUR KIDS FUTURE
http://www.controlcongress.com

This is an editorial on the web site Economy In Crisis. Do you think Americans should be concerned with our kid’s future due to poorly negotiated trade and immigration policies?

PREPARE YOUR KIDS FOR THE FUTURE — AS A SERVANT

EC-In 1994, more than 1 in 8 jobs in America was in manufacturing. In 2014, if US government (Bureau of Labor Statistics) projections are to be believed, that figure will have slipped to less than 1 in 12.

The government is actually telling us in black and white that the policies that they are enacting will decrease absolute and relative manufacturing employment to levels below that of the 1950’s – over 2 million jobs below. In the 1950’s, 30% of US employees were in manufacturing – almost one in three jobs! This country was a relative manufacturing superpower.

In less than 20 years since America put in place some of its most self-devastating policy decisions (NAFTA, WTO, CAFTA, etc.), this country will have almost completely converted from a self-sufficient sovereign state, capable of manufacturing what it needs to sustain and protect itself, to a country of servants – serfs, working at the behest of foreign employers or engaged in the sales, marketing, and distribution of foreign-made goods – working at their discretion, for wages they determine, and forced to pay their prices for needed goods. This is the definition of a servant.


America’s Perfect Storm:
America’s Perfect Storm: Three Forces Changing Our Nation’s Future

http://www.controlcongress.com

The bottom line America is being over run by uneducated immigrants competing with Americans who are not graduating college. At the same time manufacturing jobs are moving overseas to Countries that promote slave labor. Is it realistic to expect all kids to graduate college? Can we have Country where working class people can only compete with illegal immigrants and overseas slave labor?

MarketWire– ETS will release a landmark report at a National Press Club Newsmaker press conference that warns that America is in the midst of a perfect storm that, if unaddressed, will continue to feed on itself, further dividing us socially and economically, jeopardizing American competitiveness and threatening our democratic ideals.

“America’s Perfect Storm: Three Forces Changing Our Nation’s Future,” a report by ETS’s Policy Information Center, contends that the convergence of three forces — inadequate literacy skills among large segments of our population, the continuing evolution of our economy and the nation’s job structure, and an ongoing shift in the demographic profile of our country powered by the highest immigration rates in almost a century — will have dire consequences for America. Our nation is at a crossroads and must determine whether to continue on a path that could turn the American dream into an American tragedy, or invest in new policies that will help reduce the impact of the storm and allow us to grow together.


Stossel's report incomplete
"Competition" is the answer to America's educational woes according to Stossel. This article suggests that competition isn't necessarily the magic bullet Stossel would have us think it is.

"In a Global Test of Math Skills, U.S. Students Behind the Curve” By Michael Dobbs
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, December 7, 2004; Page A01

"The PISA study, conducted every three years, ranked the United States 24th out of 29 countries in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, a Paris-based group that represents the world's richest countries. Students from Finland and South Korea scored best in the survey, which measured the ability of 15-year-olds to solve real-life math problems " …

"The survey covered countries with a wide array of education systems, from nations such as the United States that rely heavily on high-stakes testing, to Scandinavian countries such as Finland, which has rejected the whole idea of standardized testing. According to Pasi Sahlberg, a former official in the Finnish education ministry who now works at the World Bank, Finland's success on the PISA survey reflects four decades of educational reform based on the idea of a single school system for everybody."

"Every child goes to the same school, and there is no school choice," Sahlberg said. "Teachers focus 100 percent on educating and teaching children rather than preparing them for tests."

The Finnish school system, whose students scored in the top position of the PISA math testing, appears to be the total antithesis of what Stossel was proposing as the solution for America’s educational woes. There doesn’t seem to be much “competition” going on in Finland, at least in the way he envisioned: “There could soon be technology schools, science schools, virtual schools where you learn at home on your computer, sports schools, music schools, schools that go all year, schools with uniforms, schools that open early and keep kids later, and, who knows what else”.(Of course, much of this ALREADY exists in school systems around the country.Mr. Stossel's research seems to have been a bit incomplete.)


THANK YOU, LIBERTY!
When I saw everyonesfacts' (btw, just how does this person KNOW everyone's facts??) liberal suggestion that illegals get a free education at OUR expense, I nearly choked ('course, someone like that might actually enjoy someone like me choking to death-less competition for intelligence). It is that kind of thinking that killed my mother, who, btw, was a counselor in the public schools. Gee, golly! Yes, by all means, let's combine the dismal performance of our public schools with the abhorrent idea of allowing illegals access to OUR TAX-FUNDED schools. Makes perfect sense to me-NOT! However, the issue of illegals raping our public schools is only part of the problem. Unions, unfit teachers, failure to comply with federal laws, the usurpation of parental rights,...this list is long but that is also an indication of how broken this system is. Thanks to all of the small-minded, liberally biased idiots who abandoned our children and our country. Do us all a favor, libs: stay out of our lives!

oops need to clarify
by libs i do mean, of course, liberals not you liberty :S

A truth that dare not speak it's name.
I have only glanced at most of the comments, so forgive me if someone has already mentioned this - but the biggest hole in this particular debate (lead article included) is still a massive cavity.

Dare I mention the 'F' word.

Feminism.

In American schools and universities (and within the education system of my own country, the UK) the decline of standards within education over the past forty years could be charted as a precise inverted parallel to the rise of the feminist creed throughout Europe and North America.

And nowhere has it's quasi-religious lunacy been more influential than throughout all levels of education, from Western kindergartens and nurseries, through to state and public schooling and the universities.

The consequential distancing of what is actually taking place within education from the reality of real human intellectual need, from the cradle to the workplace, could not be more blatant when the facts and statistics (including those that manage to slip past Left wing feminist censorship) are objectively analysed by anyone of reasonable intelligence.

"Dr Paul Irwing: 'There are twice as many men as women with an IQ of 120-plus'
Interview by Nick Jackson
Published: 30 November 2006
Dr Paul Irwing is a senior lecturer in organisational psychology at Manchester University. He claims that men are more intelligent than women.

All the research I've done points to a gender difference in general cognitive ability. There is a mean difference of about five IQ points. The further you go up the distribution the more and more skewed it becomes. There are twice as many men with an IQ of 120-plus as there are women, there are 30 times the number of men with an IQ of 170-plus as there are women.

I don't know why this is, all I can say is that we have a huge amount of data.

In my 2005 paper in the British Journal of Psychology we looked at 22 surveys sampling 20,000 university students. In 21 out of the 22 studies males always had an advantage".

Such facts, provided here by Dr Paul Irwing's article, when compared to the frequently reported meltdown of the performance of boys in American and British schools, and the dwindling number of males within the universities, are a clear indication that the American (and British) education system is seriously flawed. This cannot be waved aside with a claim that girls are simply doing better because they are being instilled with self-belief and are being encouraged to compete.

The creed of feminism, and the shadow of fear and intimidation it casts over every aspect of life in the West at present, has resulted in an education system that has become tyrannically slanted in their favor. And any prejudice that might have undermined women and girls in the past (much of which, now charted, is the stuff of radical feminist fantasy) is dwarfed when compared to the bigotry and sometimes open contempt that males are presently being subjected to in their classrooms and lecture halls. The intellectual validity of the perceived blossoming of female academic performance is often destroyed when the consequences of increased female numbers in fields that were once male strongholds are looked at from the perspective of 'hands on', real world, professional performance.

In my own country, the UK, after years of shoehorning women into the medical profession, to a point whereby they now make up the majority of students in medical schools, the UK is now suffering from a shortage of skilled consultant surgeons. Britain has actually been flying them in from mainland Europe to do vital work, and then flying them home again. Women now make up 60% of trainee dentists. They apply with qualifications that have been inflated by a 'dumbed down', feminized academic system and they gain admission. They are also given further help with the 'positive discrimination' card which often sees women given an advantage over similarly, or better qualified male applicants. But it has recently been reported that only 16% of those female trainees have the ability, or the will, to become full time dental practioners. Britain is now also suffering from a shortfall in this field and is relying upon temporary and permanent migration to enhance the numbers of it's reduced numbers of male trainees, the vast majority of whom do actually have the intellect and ambition to fulfill their professional vocation.

From an American perspective, recent concern has also been expressed that, after a period in which women have been similarly shoehorned into academic fields such as the sciences, the numbers of Americans who are actually progressing on to do post-graduate work and research within their various scientific fields is falling, and their diminishing numbers are being replaced by foreign students.

This is just a snapshot of what is happening in education and throughout society. It is absolute madness. You do not need to have a spectcularly high IQ score to predict what this all might mean for the future of America, the UK, and other western cultures - and the standard of living and security of it's citizens in the long term. This becomes particularly significant as we are approaching an era when once third world nations are taking their place on the economic and, perhaps, military starting blocks in a world that is not as small as people sometimes perceive it to be.

The American academic Howard S. Schwartz wrote in 2001, "I have no doubt that, someday, the distortions of the truth by the radical feminists of our time will be seen to have been the greatest intellectaul crime of the second half of the twentieth century. At the present time, however, we still live under the aegis of that crime. And to call attention to it is an act of great moral courage".

I believe Professor Schwartz's words are actually quite mild. If a society willingly submits itself to a fanatical, childlike cult which is primarily fuelled by the derv. of hatred it is nothing less than a 'crime against humanity'.

And finally, purely from the perspective of education. If a society does not nurture, encourage and cherish it's most powerful and creative minds. And does not ensure, via it's education system, that such minds reach their full potential and are eventually and fairly given it's most important and influential roles - it will fade away, disappear and be replaced by those that do.

I care not about the squeals of indignation and accusations of sexism that will inevitably come from a large proprtion of those that may read these comments. It is the truth and reality is indeed sexist. In a real world you cannot live a lie in the long term. History has repeatedly demonstrated the unalterbale fact that wherever, and whenever, it has been tried, it has always failed. And that will always be the case, no matter what we attempt to fool ourselves into believing.

Dr Paul Irwing, who is diplomatically summarizing the article from which the earlier quote was taken, can have the last say as far as my comment on Pat Buchanan's article is concerned.

"Historically women have been discriminated against. They've made tremendous progress and some people feel findings like this are a kick in the teeth. I have sympathy for that, but only people who know virtually nothing about IQ tests claim they have a cultural bias. All IQ tests are thoroughly tested and adjusted for bias, so if anything IQ tests are biased in favour of women not men.

People should have equal opportunities but if you want a society where everyone feels satisfied you're not going to find men and women doing the same things in the same proportions. It would help if we recognised that".

dumbing down
In my personal experience with my own kids, NCLB sounds good on the surface, but nothing is ever down to help that child left behind. My daughter is the perfect example.... She's highly proficient in reading and writing and did well in science (she's a high school freshman), but has been "not proficient" in math in every area since her very first CSAP (Colorado's test). There has never been any effort made by the schools or teachers to help her learn math. The only response I've had from the high school is to send her to the math lab. It hasn't helped.

I've done what I can to help her at home, which gets her through the classes, but it's not enough. And what kid wants to spend all day in school, several hours on homework, then go to Mom's math class?

She came home today after the first math CSAP for this year and said that she remembered some of the basic algebra from last year, but didn't know anything after that. I'm sure her scores will be similar to last year's.

As for her teacher, he doesn't even check homework to make sure it's correct and that the concepts are understood, only that it was attempted. As you can guess, this results in a failing grade on every test. Since all of those 100% grades on the homework balance out the 40% on the tests, she passes the class.

Fortunately, she has career options that don't require math, but what if she wanted to turn her interest in science into a career? At this rate, she won't be able to. She's being left behind.

Simple Solution; Start Over
Let the entire country take a year off from school, maybe two or three. Dismiss all teachers, administrators, school boards, and of course, the Department of Education.

Then, start over. On the local level. Let every town and county determine its own way with very little input, if any, from any and all government.

Let folks home school or even neighborhood school as they see fit. Let church groups and others ban together and teach their children as they see fit. Pure liberty at work!

There are plenty of folks available ready, willing, and able to teach our children, even for free when the restraints of government monopolizing are removed.

It doesn't take, so called, "professional teachers" to teach our children. It only requires parents who care enough to start their children in the proper direction at home and continue that support through out the childs entire life.

Parents must raise their children. No government system can do that. Raising children means teaching them the direction they should go. And, when they are old, they will not depart from it.

GEM



Gary
I think that is a GREAT idea, Gary.

There can be no doubt
Christian Parents should take their Children out of the Secular Dogma Centers ie public schools. It is not the Great Commision to send impressionable young boys and girls into the care of Men and Women who generally reject that Christian faith, or if they sypmpathize and endorse it, are unable to defend and articulate the Christian worldview, or a simple confession of Jesus Christ as Lord.
And what fills the void?
Freedom and liberty?
No not really, but they do find a lot of wierd notions to pack into the children's minds.
At the very least, Children should not be allowed in a 'public school', until they are 12-13 years old.
The State has alread overstepped its jurisdiction and is meddling with moral topics and promoting an agenda that cleary defies Christain faith and practice.
As for learning to read and write, I think most kids are surfing the web during much of the day as computers take the place of textbooks.

Homeschool if you can!
I've homeschooled for 17 years. My oldest has a full ride scholarship to a California State University. She made the Dean's register in junior college every semester except her first.

I won't lie - it's been hard. I see my friends going out to lunch or shopping and I have to pass. I have a Spanish lesson or we're working on American History. It's been worth it.

My kids are disciplined, score high on tests, and every one of them (including my son) can cook an entire meal with no help from me.

If you compare a high school education in 1940 with a high school education today, there is no comparison. A bachelor's degree today barely compares with a high school diploma back then! That is a travesty.

We are ripping off our future generations in the name of "self-esteem". We are raising a bunch of self absorbed, stupid know-nothings who feel great about themselves but can't read or add when they are 15.


Our schools
I have taught for over forty years in nine different districts, and all I can say is our educational system is a mess! There are no consequences for the students' bad behavior except a slap on the wrist. They can disrupt the class endlessly, cheat on tests whether they need to or not, be rude and disrespectful to teachers and what is done? Nothing. They are not motivated, have no interest in anything except fun and games, and are incapable of focusing on a task at hand unless someone stands beside them. Either they've been affected mentally by all the vaccinations they've been given that contain mercury/aluminum, or they've eaten too many foods containing additives. Something is wrong! Of course a steady diet of tv and electronic games doesn't help a child appreciate the opportunity to read and learn by any means! I felt sorry for my students because their grades in social studies were so low. I gave them an "easy" test to raise their scores...like what is the capital of your state, name the county you live in, what country lies to the south of ours, etc. Three students passed and they only passed with 70s! Children in our public schools have absolutely no values! When the national anthem is played, or the pledge of allegiance is given, they have to be reminded each day to show respect to the country that gives them free breakfast, free lunch, free education in an air-conditioned school, and the opportunity to improve their lot in life. Do they care? Apparently not! Does anyone care? I had a college professor friend send me the book The Manufactured Crisis to read after I complained about our educational system. Big deal! Manufactured malarky! I'm fed up!

Our schools
Oh, and I forgot to mention...quit blaming the teachers! If a kid doesn't learn, more than likely it's because he doesn't want to put any effort into learning. The teachers don't teach and haven't been doing it all the years they've been attending school? Really! What a joke! And the parents "believe" it! Give me a break!

Lib Mentality Taking Control Of America
It is not just the schools, although it is more prevalent due to the high concentration of flaming liberals in our education system. Our society as a whole is changing(lowering) its values to keep from offending minorities who refuse to put forth the effort necessary to excel in America,legally. Unfortunately, our own children are slipping down with them because of "the inevitability of getting a haircut if you hang out long enough at the barbershop",that accompanies tolerating and not offending them, in order to avoid the lawsuits. I gotta go throw up.

Liberty and Loribme
No, I was talking about immigrants.
All immigrants.
Whether or not they're illegal is
not a teacher's concern.
They have to teach who is in front
of them. And in states like mine
the right to an education trumps
that a student might be an illegal
so much so that no one can find out
the information.

Liberty (sic),
What I propose will do nothing of
the sort. How could educating
immigrants be bad for America's
bottom line, especially in the future?
Your hyperbole does nothing for your
argument.

Boys, methinks your still smarting
from my arguments here:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/PaulGreenberg/2007/02/27/on_fighting_the_problem
, especially Loribme who is still taking
in his history lesson.

Loribme, how does one rape a public
school? A visual would be helpful.
On a different note, I am sorry
about your mother.


education
i think we can easily spell out a very big part of the problem-n.e.a.

Matlock
I WILL blame the teachers and the administrators for their blatant lies and refusal to educate. I've seen good kids lose their will to learn thanks to incompetent teachers harassing them to the breaking point. Don't blame parents, either! I've seen good parents get railroaded by public schools at their child's expense. Blame the kids???? Look at their role models, the adults in schools that don't follow the laws they are required to. Oh, yeah, that's a great idea-let lawbreakers teach our kids right from wrong! If your students can't pass a simple test as you claim, you better look at your own teaching methods. Obviously, YOU aren't doing YOUR job!

Everyonesfacts
First of all, I am not a he. I'm a mother, tyvm! Secondly, illegals raping our public schools IS an accurate analogy as it is a FORCED accomodation that we all pay for, either monetarily (they don't pay taxes to fund our schools-we do!) or physically (overcrowded schools by illegal alien families-shoves AMERICAN kids to the side!). And don't forget they ARE exposing our communities to such contagious diseases as tuberculosis. What about hepatitis or typhoid? Polio? Smallpox? STD's (I doubt illegals are celibate!)? Even Typhoid Mary didn't think she was killing anyone. So, I suppose you think it is appropriate to expose our CHILDREN to these diseases to satisfy the demands of NON-AMERICANS who won't put in the effort to educate their own children within their home countries. No, can't have that. WE have to shoulder that responsibility-and RISK! Illegals rape our schools, yes. That is accurate. And please note I specify ILLEGALS, not ALL immigrants. Those who come here legally are welcomed.

Lastly, since you seem to support the abhorrent practice of giving illegals whatever they desire and at OUR cost, you can keep your condolences to yourself! YOU are "SORRY" about my mother?????? GIVE ME A BREAK! It is EXACTLY YOUR MINDSET that put my mother in that horrific nightmare to begin with. How many more AMERICANS will fall prey to your delusions that all children, regardless of legal status, are ENTITLED to what we provide for our own children????? I am NOT responsible for raising everyone's children! Does it not bother you to think that maybe an AMERICAN CHILD can be infected with tuberculosis as a result of attending a school overburdened with illegal immigrant children? And don't give me that "well, they do have to have a shot record" nonsense! Even if they do have such a record (which can be faked), that doesn't mean their parents are free from infectious diseases. Your sympathy has absolutely no meaning to me since it is people like you that endanger our children and our communities. Have I made myself clear?

Loribme
I'm sure you are a mother! jk

Loribme writes: Wednesday, March, 07, 2007 11:01 AM Everyonesfacts
Secondly, illegals raping our public schools IS an accurate analogy as it is a FORCED accomodation

No, forced accomodation is not analogous to rape.
Rape is a violation of the inalienable right
to health (not to be harmed).
Poorly argued.

You make the point disease is a problem
in illegal immigrant communities. I agree
which is why I am for registering all
immigrants and having background checks
(this would include medical background)
as I've noted at the Greenberg site.
I do in no way support the spread of disease
but current U.S. policy does and further
restrictions I surmise would as well.

I would argue that the beliefs and policies
that I've argued for at the Greenberg
article would be this country's best bet
for our health (medically, economically,
and morally).


Loribme writes:
How many more AMERICANS will fall prey to your delusions that all children, regardless of legal status, are ENTITLED to what we provide for our own children?????

In my state the LAW disagrees with you.
Did you read my post?
So, as I've said before I am for the rule
of law
I do this while at the same time putting inalienable rights above the law.

Again I refer you to the beliefs of the
founders, those ORIGINAL AMERICANS, as I
posted on the Greenberg site.
It is good to know you cannot argue that
the founders would support this immigration,
even though you don't.

And I, like you, am not for raising anyone
else's children. The belief that schools
do this is a societal problem. If our
culture looked to families to raise and
when needed schools to educate our country
would be much better off.

Loribme writes:
Your sympathy has absolutely no meaning to me since it is people like you that endanger our children and our communities. Have I made myself clear?

You've made yourself clear but your arguments
seem to never win the day. My apologies for
your argument for the weakness of your argument.

tried to hit the stop button
and it seemed to stop,
but it posted anyways.

Anyways there is a missing comma
and quotation marks, but what
I really wanted to change is this:

Again I refer you to the beliefs of the
founders, those ORIGINAL AMERICANS, as I
posted on the Greenberg site.
It is good to know you cannot argue that
the founders would NOT support this immigration,
even though you don't.

Sorry, for the confusion.
If you want to know what I'm talking
about go to the Greenberg link I posted
earlier.

tried to hit the stop button
and it seemed to stop,
but it posted anyways.

Anyways there is a missing comma
and quotation marks, but what
I really wanted to change is this
paragraph:

"Again I refer you to the beliefs of the
founders, those ORIGINAL AMERICANS, as I
posted on the Greenberg site.
It is good to know the founders would
support this immigration, even though
you don't.

Sorry, for the confusion.
If you want to know more about what the
founders believed in regards to immigration
see my relevant post at the Greenberg article
I pasted above
earlier.

Everyonesfacts
YOU are a fool! A forced accomodations isn't rape? Have you lost your mind???? What the hell do you think rapists DO???? FORCE THEMSELVES ON OTHERS! DUH! You are an idiot. Thank you so much for arguing in MY favor.

Carter created the Dept. of Education
an overbloated government bureaucracy, in order to bring about the propagandistic Socialist Political Correctness indoctrination of America's youth in order to sustain the Democratic Party into perpetuity. Reagan's desire was to eliminate this bureaucracy as well as Carter's other useless monstrous creation, the Department of Energy, but he was fighting an impossible battle against a heavily entrenched Democratic Congress and Senate for most of his two terms. The Department of Education today has become lined to the gills with heavily Democrat-voting teachers unions like the AFT and the NEA. Many of these same unionized, Democrat-voting teachers also work tirelessly for the Democratic Party at campaign time and even often man voting booths at public schools around the country at election time. It is senseless to continue supporting public schools; in doing so, the GOP has committed political suicide and has rendered two entire generations of school kids bright future careers at McDonald's if they can just count the change right. Today's public schools are nothing more than a glorified government childcare, welfare, food stamp program, and babysitting service all rolled into one for mostly the benefit of Democrat-voting career women and single mothers, who welcome the government's handout - to hell with their children's future and the teaching of moral precepts and logical thought processes. Our schools should all be PRIVATIZED. Churches too need to step up to the plate and offer more Christian-based education to our youth. Corporations need to make charitable tax-deductible donations to privatized schools to provide assitance for poor families to send their kids to privatized schools. The operative questions are of course, "Is it too late to save our country?" and "Do we have any TRUE CONSERVATIVE Congressmen or Senators left who have enough of the Ronald Reagan 'vision thing' anymore and the necessary political majority to actually propose this legislation and get it to pass before it's too late?" Quite to the contrary, there is a dearth of real, original, out-of-the-box, passionately revolutionary, visionary thinking in the GOP today. The only revolutionary brilliant idea is the Fair Tax legislation that the GOP stalled in committee even when they had the Committee chairmanship and 56 GOP Congressmen supported it. Our kids are being raised in a moral, intellectual, and spiritual vacuum, in incubators of Political Correctness and Leftwing Proganda and lies known as the Public School System. They are literally being BRAINWASHED right before our very eyes. What is Corporate America's solution? No problem; let's just get some intellectual talent overseas. Hell, while we're at it, let's get NAFTA and CAFTA passed with our elected paid-off high-priced political whores in DC and ship both our jobs and our manufacturing facilities overseas. While we're at it, let's incorporate elesewhere, too, so we don't have to be bothered with future problems with those exorbitant taxes. Let's just become a WORLD company because America clearly cannot foot the bill with the anti-business Democrats having already destroyed EVERYTHING there including the dumbing down ofthe labor pool. In America, like the ignorant, public-school-educated fools that most of us are, we believe that we should continue electing mostly lawyers to our government. Our Congressmen and Senators - both parties included - are comprised of around 61% lawyers. Unscrupulous lawyers are the last people on Earth who understand the requirements of a "technical" education and the necessity of a "technical" education for the viability of a nation. All they understand is the necessity of the next handout to get re-elected to control their little fiefdoms. If that handout comes from the NEA or the AFT, so be it; it's all just good ol' green money to them. DC must be razed if we ever expect to see again the greatness that once was America. I believe I readsomewhere that America has lost 54% of her manufacturing base in this country to overseas manufacturing and American companies deserting this country in droves. We have grown too comfortable in our creature comforts and consumerism and have become intellectually lazy. We have valued "emotional" intelligence far too much more than "logical" intelligence. Is there any wonder why the Democrats won in 2006? We have allowed ignorance to reign supreme. Our young impressionable men and women worship Hollywood twits, airheads, numbskulls, and batshit crazy dingbats. Stupidity is now "chic". Our borders have been overrun with more idiots to secure the Democrats victory. Our own culture which once valued intelligence now eschews and ostracizes the nerd. Our economy has been transformed seemingly overnight to a service-oriented economy. America is no longer even in the top ten list of nations most attractive to investors. All of this bodes horribly for our future. An MIT site said the following about Chinese Engineering education:

"About 40 percent of the degrees awarded by Chinese higher education institutions are in engineering, much higher than the world average."

In America, I would guesstimate that 40% of degrees earned in American colleges are in Business-oriented fields. Not bad for a service-oriented economy, eh? The kids in college today aren't necessarily stupid; they know that the engineering jobs don't pay as well as business jobs. It's an American cultural thing they understand all too well. If America doesn't want to pay her engineers well for their extremely harder degrees, then she gets what she deserves - a service-oriented economy and the loss of eventually all of her manufacturing base.
Eventually, engineering will be an almost obsolete profession in the United States. Thanks, Democrats!


I was once given a choice...
at the age of 5. Either I could go attend the public school right down the street or the Catholic School 2 miles away. It wass 1968. Riots were everywhere in the public schools but unheard of in the Catholic school system. I chose the Catholic school system, and it was one of the best choices I have ever made in my entire life. In Catholic School, I had so many books that I had to take home for homework that my booksack weighed more than me in first and second grade. I had to haul that heavy booksack for 2 miles when I got out of school for 8 years, but it was worth it.

My youngest sister was not quite so lucky. She attended Grady High School, a public school, in Atlanta for her Senior year in high school. She was shocked at what passed for an "education". The kids were necking in the back of the classroom. They constantly talked back to and mocked the teacher. They would NEVER stop talking in the classroom; the teachers had to talk over their heads constantly. None of the kids took any books home for homework EVER!!!!! They didn't even carry pens, pencils, or copybooks of any sort EVER. This was the exact opposite of our Catholic school education. It was a government babysitting service with absolutely zero discipline whatsoever. My normally B-or-C student sister graduated Magna "bleep" Laude; she laughed all the way to the podium.

gary
kudos TBtG, well presented...unfortunately i have to inform you that much of what's being "taught" in public schools has infected the Catholic school curriculum also; dominated by radical liberals -all subjects & textbooks used are decidedly jaded with Anti-Americanism & political correctness...most teachers have become an extension of the main stream media & hollywood liberal (moonbat) elite & whores to their radical unions...
the most honorable Joe McCarthy (so wrongly crucified) had a word for these folks...we all know this word & this is what they truly are!

forced accomodation vs. rape
Loribme,

According to Merriam-Webster I
am right and you are ignorant.

Sincerely Yours,

Foolish Idiot


acommodation

1: something supplied for convenience or to satisfy a need: as lodging, food, and services or traveling space and related services — usually used in plural 2: the act of accommodating : the state of being accommodated: as the providing of what is needed or desired for convenience

rape

2. unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against the will usually of a female or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent

ignorant

1 a: destitute of knowledge or education; also lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified. b: resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence 2: unaware, uninformed

Georgia School Czar Flunks Math

Georgia’s State Superintendent of Schools, Kathy Cox, has imposed a dramatically changed high school math curriculum without properly reviewing it with teachers and parents. Her new mandate may be well intended–but the devil’s in the details.

Problem #1: Forcing all students to be “average”

There are currently four math tracks available to high school students. They vary in difficulty to accommodate a broad range of math abilities. Under Cox’s proposed change, freshmen, sophomores, and juniors will now only have two tracks (Math 1 and Advanced Math 1, Math 2 and Advanced Math 2…).

Big mistake. This minimalist offering will be too difficult for the lower rungs of math students (encouraging them to disengage) and too easy for the upper rungs (failing to adequately develop their abilities). Why institutionalize mediocrity?

Also, Cox spokesperson and Georgia’s math program manager Claire Pierce told me the new program was designed around gifted kids because Georgia was “having a problem with the gifted program”. That’s just not true according to Mark Smith, a Cherokee County school system employee assigned to review this math curriculum change. Mark pointed out that gifted kids from Cherokee County are doing great with admissions into top universities and colleges. It is, in fact, the lower end of the math students that are having the biggest performance issues.

Problem #2: Unrealistic goals for the students

Cox spokesperson Claire Pierce also told me that a goal of the new math program is to have 85% of students graduate having completed the equivalent of Algebra II. I believe this goal makes the same mistake as President Bush’s unpopular No Child Left Behind (NCLB) program: not all high school students should prepare for college. It is wildly unrealistic to expect that they should, and it damages the self-esteem of kids that would be better served by a vocational program.

Problem #3: Unrealistic goals for the teachers

I support high (yet realistic) expectations. But Kathy Cox’s unrealistic plan to graduate 85% of our high school students with the equivalent of Algebra II will destroy the morale of math teachers. Georgia’s high school classrooms face an explosion of immigrants with very poor English skills, pregnant teens, drug users, and kids with parents that don’t support academics.

Finally, Cox needs to double check her math–if currently 44% of Georgia’s high school students drop out and only 29% (nationally) graduate with math proficiency (which doesn’t include Algebra II), how can she possibly meet her 85% goal? The only way is to hide watered-down standards behind the vaguely titled Math 1, 2, and 3.

Problem #4: A rushed and careless policy

Cherokee County’s Mark Smith says Cox’s new math program hasn’t been reviewed with any colleges except those within Georgia’s state system. Meaning no one knows if or how colleges from other states will accept it.

The state has also failed address how to handle students transferring into Georgia public high schools. Since the new curriculum is mandatory, advanced students transferring into our systems could be forced to sit through math classes they have already mastered. The same holds true for middle school students who have taken advanced math courses.

What can we do?

In a time when America is falling behind other countries and Georgia ranks near the bottom in national education, we clearly need to revamp the system.

We should return to a system where some kids receive vocational training and others receive college preparatory training. Why dismantle the system set up by Cherokee County School Superintendent Dr Frank R. Petruzielo that lets the most gifted kids work at a faster pace than other college-bound kids?

Homeschool
Homeschooling is a viable alternative to the lousy public school standards.

You can teach what is necessary and instill your values in your children. More can be accomplished with homeschooling in less time than you can ever get done in a public school setting.

I am thankful that homeschooling is legal in every state in this wonderful country. Most other countries ban homeschooling. We need to protect this resource.

Dumbing Down
A few years ago I was teaching an evening of bible school and had sixth - ninth graders in my class. I asked each in turn to read a verse, and as I moved around the room, there was a young fellow in the eighth grade at the local middle school sitting third in line. I asked him to read a verse, and one of his freinds helped him to find it. I was terribly embarrassed for the kid as he struggled to read even the simple three-letter words in the verse. I helped him as much as I could, and moved on with the lesson. My wife works in the school system at a different middle school, so, being troubled by the thoughts of a child who was not a special ed case being that illiterate in the eighth grade, I asked my wife how that happens. How do you get to the eighth grade not being able to read? She said it starts early. They usually disruptive in class and don't learn, so the teacher struggles with them while trying to teach the rest of the class, then they get to the end of the year and the teachers in that grade don't want to have to deal with them again next year, so he gets a pass. Then the following year, he starts out behind and does not do well again, so he becomes a bigger problem and gets another pass. The cycle continues and they end up graduating with little or none of the basic skills.
I went on and on about how wrong that was, and she agreed, but also said there was little that could be done when the parents come and scream bloody murder if the teacher actually fails a child. She also tells me that now, since the no child left behind legislation, the schools stop teaching the curriculum about four weeks before the end of grade testing, and spend their time teaching the children how to pass the test. They even have sample tests for them to practice on. That is four weeks of lost education for a worthless test. Nearly half of the last nine week grading period.
I have served on the PTO at the local elementary school and was dismayed to find that my wife was exactly right. Government schools are a money pit, and the federal government is making the problem worse instead of better. I believe the no child left behind act, and federal control of our local schools will destroy the education of the majority of children before they ever get to high school. I am of the strong opinion that full control needs to be returned to the local and state level.
We are going down the dark path to societal ignorance, and as I recall the Bible says "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge."

everyonesfacts
You said, "Again I refer you to the beliefs of the
founders, those ORIGINAL AMERICANS, as I
posted on the Greenberg site."

Where? I checked the last FOUR articles of Greenberg's and there is no such post from you.

liberty
see on Fighting the Problem
2/27/07
link is above.

Another jaded teacher
I've read the posts here, and I have to agree with the poor assessments of the public school system. I taught in Los Angeles for six years, but I had to leave for my mental health. The stories I could tell. I moved to the South, thinking the schools would be better, and they are to some degree. But, I'll give you a few examples of how dumbed-down my current district is getting.
We give three to four tests every nine weeks. If a student scores higher on any test, he can use that score to replace the previous TESTS' scores. So, if a student fails the first three tests and cheats to get a perfect score on the last one, he would get four perfect test scores for the nine weeks.
In a terrifying example of newspeak that would make Orwell smirk, our lowest level classes are now labeled 'advanced'. Their grade point averages are on a 5 scale, meaning they receive a '5' for an A in the class, as opposed to the customary '4'. The gifted classes, one step ahead of the advanced, receive a '6' for an A. A D, sadly, is only a '3'. I don't need to add that almost all As are already dumbed-down. So, if a kid who should never be in a gifted class is savvy enough to cheat on one test, he can get a 6.0 grade point average.
I don't give too many daily grades, as the students just copy each other exactly when it comes to homework.
I'm not allowed to give zeroes for anything, nor am I allowed to mark any student lower than 50% on any progress or report card.
Scary to think of our future.
I'd quit, but time is my most important currency. I love the time away from work too much. I want to travel the globe before a certain religion of peace makes that impossible.
Worried yet? And, if you're not, why in Christ's name not?!

gator
I'm not sure how one would ever think
South = good schools.

Please check the maps I posted above
for best states to work in. Of course,
schools differ from district to district.

Grade Inflation - Pat is Right
It's true.
But there IS a way to fix it:

http://www.physicsforums.com/archive/index.php/t-104494.html

Southern Schools
I moved to a smaller town in the south because I surmised that the students would have more respect and accountability here. They certainly do. The big city districts are run by those asylum's inmates.
I've been all over the country, and it is becoming tough to find a school district anywhere that isn't encountering second language, gang, and/or respect problems. Maybe I'm remembering how I grew up rosier than it was, but a great deal of kids and parents alike simply refuse to be responsible for their actions.
We are facing a crisis in this country. You'd think kids were reading "The Prince", but they aren't (they don't read much). They are consumed with results, but not too concerned about how they get there. They will cheat, scheme, and lie to get what they want. In today's self-absorbed and commercial society, that translates as money.
I'm to the point where I only want to teach kids from India, Asia, and the Middle East. They work harder, have more respect, and don't blame society for anything. They just sit down, listen, and take care of their responsibilities.

Loribme
Sorry to be so slow in replying to your idiotic comments! I've been busy trying to teach 5th graders who can't/won't read! Put the blame where it belongs...

Loribme
Sorry to be so slow in replying to your idiotic comments! I've been busy trying to teach 5th graders who can't/won't read! Put the blame where it belongs...the kids (and their ignorant, meddling parents). Funny that Oprah could identify the problem after just a few visits to our public schools, but a teacher in the classroom day after day can't! Wow! We teachers need to go back to school, I guess! More training for the teachers! When was the last time you sat in a classroom? And why do you suppose our schools have to have ARMED POLICE officers (call them security guards, if you must)in them daily? Oh, it must be because of the teachers' bad conduct! Sorry! The truth is, you're probably one of these parents who has a lazy-assed kid who won't work, and you constantly run to school to complain the teacher is to blame. Wake up and examine the facts. You're uninformed, ignorant and dangerous!

Pretty SAD, if you ask me!
Pretty SAD, if you ask him!

Visit: (OsiSpeaks.com) or (OsiSpeaks.org).

Some basic factors
After 35 years in education I can say that grade inflation and poor parenting are the biggest educational problems by far! (the liberal "secular socialist" culture is a close 3rd). Over half of parents in many places simply cannot send the school a respectful child who is willing to learn. It ALL starts there. I mean ALL. After parents (plural) do that... then they can start complaining about the others in the eductaional equation (teachers-admins-boards). Not a minute before.
Its constant juking and jiving by teachers/admins to give students the grades to keep the parents and the state “quota police” off their backs. I taught community college and the more I did the lower the grades got… put practice tests (30% actual test questions) online, grades go down; put all notes online, grades go down; go from 3 chapters to 2 per exam, grades go down. There can be no doubt because the objective tests given were 95% the same year after year. Of course, we got high school products… and they had grade inflation there so expected “a letter grade up” from their real grade from day 1. Reality was never an option. Failure was never an option. Only "teachers" can fail in the modern liberal PC system.
Prediction: The national tests will be “dumbed own” (called re-normed) as the A.C.T was in 1991. It was “10 yards for a 1st down” now its about 8 and soon it will be 7, whatever it takes for “happiness.” Did I mention in La.-Miss. unions are not a factor?

orchestrated
The dumbing down of America was a concerted effort in order to subjugate the population- keeping power and richs in the hands of the people who know how to subvert and pervert the system. It is nearly accomplished now having all but eliminated independent thinking. An American President that has the verbal skills of an average high schooler circa 1960 is a testament to how this dumbing down was orchestrated. Once a US President could write a masterpiece such as Profiles In Courage; now Bush can barely read or understand such a book.

orchestrated
The dumbing down of America was a concerted effort in order to subjugate the population- keeping power and richs in the hands of the people who know how to subvert and pervert the system. It is nearly accomplished now having all but eliminated independent thinking. An American President that has the verbal skills of an average high schooler circa 1960 is a testament to how this dumbing down was orchestrated. Once a US President could write a masterpiece such as Profiles In Courage; now Bush can barely read or understand such a book.
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