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Friday, January 05, 2007
Pat Buchanan :: Townhall.com Columnist
Cakewalk crowd abandons Bush
by Pat Buchanan
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Victory has a thousand fathers, but defeat is an orphan, said a rueful John F. Kennedy after the Bay of Pigs. George W. Bush knows today whereof his predecessor spoke.

For as he prepares to "surge" 20,000 more U.S. troops into a war even he concedes we "are not winning," his erstwhile acolytes have begun to abandon him to salvage their own tattered reputations.

Case in point, the neoconservatives. As the Iraq war heads into its fifth year, more than half a dozen have confessed to Vanity Fair's David Rose their abject despair over how the Bushites mismanaged the war that they, the "Vulcans," so brilliantly conceived.

Surveying what appears an impending disaster for Iraq and U.S. foreign policy, the neocons have advanced a new theme. The idea of launching an unprovoked war of liberation, for which they had beaten the drums for half a decade before 9-11, remains a lovely concept. It was Bushite incompetence that fouled it up.

"The policy can be absolutely right, and noble, beneficial, but if you can't execute it, it's useless, just useless," wails Ken Adelman, who had famously predicted in The Washington Post that "liberating Iraq would be a cakewalk."

Bush's team of Powell, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice, says Adelman, "turned out to be among the most incompetent teams in the postwar era. Not only did each of them, individually, have enormous flaws, but together they were deadly, dysfunctional." Their incompetence, he adds, "means that most everything we ever stood for ... lies in ruins."

Professor Eliot Cohen of Johns Hopkins, whose book on war leaders Bush used to carry about, says his mistake was in not knowing "how incredibly incompetent" the Bush team would be.

Richard Perle is sickened by the consequences of the war he and his comrades so ardently championed. "The levels of brutality ... are truly horrifying, and, I have to say, I underestimated the depravity."

Calling the Bush policy process a "disaster," Perle blames Bush himself: "At the end of the day, you have to hold the president responsible. ... I don't think he realizes the extent of the opposition within his own administration, and the disloyalty."

This is the second fallback position of the War Party. Not only incompetence, but treachery made a nightmare of their vision.

Uber-hawk Frank Gaffney also hits hard the theme of sabotage and disloyalty: "This president has tolerated, and the people around him have tolerated, active, ongoing, palpable insubordination and skullduggery that translates into subversion of his policies. ... He doesn't in fact seem to be a man of principle who's steadfastly pursuing what he thinks is the right course."

David Frum, the cashiered White House speechwriter who co-authored the "axis-of-evil" phrase, faults the president. While he provided the words, says Frum, Bush "just did not absorb the ideas. And that is the root of maybe everything."

Where Frum, four years ago, accused antiwar conservatives of being "unpatriotic" haters of America and President Bush, he is now saying that that same president either lacked the I.Q. to realize what he was saying or lacked a belief and commitment to follow through.

As Rose writes, this is "the most damning assessment of all." Moreover, it is an indictment of Bush's judgment that he could clasp so many such vipers to his bosom.

Rose describes James Woolsey, the ex-CIA director who was ubiquitous on the op-ed pages and national TV making the case for war, as "aghast at what he sees as profound American errors that have ignored the lessons learned so painfully, 40 years ago" in Vietnam.

Conspicuous by its absence from disparagements of the president by these deserters from his camp and cause is any sense that they were themselves wrong. That they, who accuse everyone else of cutting and running, are themselves cutting and running. That they are themselves but a typical cluster of think-tank incompetents.

No neocon concedes that the very idea itself of launching an unprovoked war against a country in the heart of the Arab world -- one that had not attacked us, did not threaten us and did not want war with us -- might not be wildly welcomed by the "liberated." No neocon has yet conceded that Bismarck may have been right when he warned, "Preventive war is like committing suicide out of fear of death." "Huge mistakes were made," says Perle, "and I want to be very clear on this: They were not made by neoconservatives. ... I'm getting damn tired of being described as an architect of the war." Almost all the neoconservatives have now departed the seats of power in the Bush administration and retreated to their sinecures at Washington think tanks, to plot the next war -- on Iran. Meanwhile, brave young Americans, the true idealists and the casualties of the neocons' war, come home in caskets, 20 a week, to Dover and, at Walter Reed, learn to walk again on steel legs. To find out more about Patrick Buchanan, and read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate web page at www.creators.com. COPYRIGHT 2007 CREATORS SYNDICATE INC.

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Pat & WW2
Are these also Pat's sentiments on the failures, incompetence, intrigue, and casualties during WW2? Does Pat feel we should have abandoned Europe and Asia, impeached Roosevelt, and wrapped ourselves in America First?

Pat didn't notice - destroying Saddam's military was a 'cakewalk,' the reconstruction is a problem.

Same old crap.
Pat Buchanan is a pain in the butt. I have a suggestion about where he should shove his "neocon" B.S.

Concur
Taking down the Ba'athists was accomplished fairly easily. The follow-up proved to be the tarbaby.

While I agree that the war has been largely been mis-managed, I would take issue with Pat's claim that it was an "unprovoked war against a country . . . that had not attacked us, did not threaten us and did not want war with us". It is hard to imagine a more totally provoked war: violated UN resolutions, firing on coalition aircraft, refusal to allow inspection of sites, etc., etc., etc. I'd agree Hussein probably did not WANT a war, but post-9/11 his brinksmanship guaranteed it.

I agree with Mismanagement...
of the war. I recall hearing sometime after our first victory at Fallujah that we later had to GO BACK and retake th town. I scratched my head when I first heard this on tv thinking I had a sudden case of early-onset Alzheimer's. I was shocked to my military core to find out it was true. Military 101: when you take a town, you secure it and hold it! The trouble with our war is that we are trying to fight a PC war against a non-PC enemy. There is no such thing as a PC war. When Muqtada al-Sadr retreated to "Mosqueville", we should have blown the mosque to Kingdom Come just like we did to the sacred monastery in Italy in WWII where the Germans were holed up. When you are dealing with psychopathic throat-slitting murderers who believe Allah has called them to annihilate you from the face of the Earth, PC is not called for but rather lead bullets through the skull. Evil must be eradicated from the face of the Earth.

Sad if true,
The President is looking more like a president left hanging in the wind.

The neo cons had all the answers but sadly no solutions.
Pride?

Great quote at end of this posting.
When the going gets tough, the tough retreat to thinktanks, or something.

Fundamental to an understanding of this "war" is the conviction by the Bush whitehouse that Iraqis would embrace democracy, and become a beacon for others in the area to emulate..resulting in a radical restructuring of the entire mideast.

A lasting Bush "legacy".

THAT was the underlying reason for the invasion.

Since our actions were to bestow democracy upon the Iraqis, rather than defeat them, the rules of engagement had to comport with the mission.

Thus, when our troops come under attack, commonsense and appropriate military tactics such as targeting mosques and neighborhoods where Iraqi and other terrorists hide were eschewed in deference to not "offending" those on whose behalf we had come to "liberate".

And so, from the beginning, the seeds of political correctness were planted and germinated throughout this mission.

Regrettably, or predictably(take your pick..they both apply), the "liberation" of Iraqis has taken a few unexpected detours along the way.

It seems the "liberation" has yielded the freedom to settle old scores, and give vent to ancient tribal, religious and sectarian grievances.

I will quote from a genuine conservative:

"The effect of liberty on individuals is that they may do what they please; we ought to see what it will please them to do, before we risk congratulations". Edmund Burke.

The reckless adventurism by the Bush administration in using warfare to bring about democracy in a people who have no history of, or insight into, the concept betrays true conservative values.

Pat's right
Once again, Pat is right on the money. Where we went wrong in Iraq was invading it in the first place. It has been a complete disaster morally, politically and financially.

Cowards cannot win a war
Name a single neocon who rallied to the colors or who sent a son?

The image of this neocon war was Paul Wolfowitz being helped from a Baghdad hotel, quivering cowardly. Another part of the hotel had been shelled. But it was too close.

He had been in Baghdad before, an arrogant armchair hero. But the smell of gunshot turned him into a whimpering, deflated loudmouth. He bailed shortly thereafter.

Neocons - all mouth, no cajones.

Take Back The Government
Monte Cassino was the monastary in Italy. It was located atop a mountain and the Germans were using it for an observation post. You're right, we leveled it.
That is the part about the war in Iraw I don't understand. The president and most of the people do not understand that war is ruthless. The most ruthless will win. We are trying to be 'nice guys' and our nice guys are coming home in boxes. It is our handling of the war that has cost us over 3000 American lives and that is blood on the politicians' hands.

pipe dreams

Mr. Buchanan loves to focus on the failures of Iraq. What about Afghanistan? Should we bail there as well? How about throwing Israel under the bus while we're at it?

With every article Pat makes it clear that the war on terror is a "neo-con illusion," that the world should take care of itself and that we should just come home, ostensibly restoring our honor among nations and solving all of our problems.

It was a pipe dream prior to WWll--it's a pipe dream now.


Buchanan is right this time
I am not an admirer of Buchanan. But on this issue he is absolutely right. Now the neocons are jumping ship after they maneuvered us into this foolish war in Iraq that is leading to continuing death, destruction and debt.

He seemed to forget one of the most notorious. Wolfowitz. And Bush had the poor judgment to push 'Wolfie' to be head of the World Court. Quite a reward for his notorious disservice to our nation.

I doubt if the Democrats do much better because they are under some of the same influences that motivated the neocons. There should be honest investigations that spare no one. Unfortunately, many of the main culprits will escape scot free.

Much of the responsibility rests with the American Enterprise Institute and similar 'think-tanks' who apparently don't think very clearly.

Buchanan is right this time
I am not an admirer of Buchanan. But on this issue he is absolutely right. Now the neocons are jumping ship after they maneuvered us into this foolish war in Iraq that is leading to continuing death, destruction and debt.

He seemed to forget one of the most notorious. Wolfowitz. And Bush had the poor judgment to push 'Wolfie' to be head of the World Court. Quite a reward for his notorious disservice to our nation.

I doubt if the Democrats do much better because they are under some of the same influences that motivated the neocons. There should be honest investigations that spare no one. Unfortunately, many of the main culprits will escape scot free.

Much of the responsibility rests with the American Enterprise Institute and similar 'think-tanks' who apparently don't think very clearly.

Neo-cons
"...they are themselves but a typical cluster of think-tank incompetents."

I think the new con men have lost any popular support they may have had for a few fleeing months. I am curious to find out who now provides the funding for these theoriticians to formulate their schemes within the "thunk tanks".

Traditional conservatives
The traditional conservatives are unfortunately being lumped in with the "neocons" in this one. No matter the nobility of the cause, the execution and management of the action leaves the more lasting impression. Mismanagement is not the exclusive domain of the current administration. We'll be recovering from this one for years.

I agree with Take Back Govmt
We should have done some things differently. You cannot handle Islamsists with PC or Kid Gloves.
They are bolldthirty murdering thugs who will hide behind an pregnant woman, and blow her in half to kill an American. They strap bombs on children and send them into crowds. These people have no sense of value for human life,
Thus, they must be treated brutally. And there my friends lies the problem. Embedded reporters film everything, and the ultra-liberal press comment on ruthless, barbaric tactics of American Soldiers. Remember, we are fighting terrorists.
I never saw an American GI beheading anyone. Did any of you? We should blow up any suspected safehouse and let God judge us if we make a mistake.

Oops Bloodthirsty
Typing too fast again.

Bush responsible?
He only started the war so don't blame him for any consequences of that decision.

New Liberal Columnist?
I didn't realize that Townhall had decided to feaure Liberal Columnists on the site. I guess we can expect Mr. Buchanan to be invited to speak at the Democratic National Convention and make the rounds at the Universities. He should be getting invites from every Social Science Department across America after this article.

Mr Buchanan, the NeoLiberal, we welcome your viewpoints as examples of how wrong someone can be.

So confused
We did not go to war to bring Deomocracy to Iraq or the Middle East. We went there to rid ourselves of the threat of WMD's. Taking out Saddam was a logical extension of the true purpose. Only when WMD's were not discovered did we find outselves in "noble cause" as one poster put it.
"Democracy for the Iraqis" has the same ring to it that "freeing the slaves" did in the Civil War which wasn't the first reason for that war.
We knew Baathist were a minority. We knew Shiites would take vengance. We had to, it's in their cultural make-up. Democracy is a rule of the majority which meant that we could have expected civil war to break out. Why did Powell ask rhetoricaly in the First Gulf War, if we take Baghdad, then what do we do with it? Or was it Schwartzy the General? Because we knew it would be a mess if we did.
Buchanan is right. And I have not dismissed the idea that Bush was eager to find an excuse to go into Iraq to settle a blood feud he had himself with Hussein over the failed assasination attempt against his father.

We turn our backs on them
The self-absorbed David Frum famously wrote in NATIONAL REVIEW a few years back that paleo-conservatives were anti-American, essentially for not supporting the invasion of Iraq, and that all conservatives should turn their backs on the paleos. That a callow young speechwriter like Frum (who supinely can not even force his surname on his wife) has the arrogance to think that conservatives of an intellectual bent would weigh his notions as serious indicates that he is self-delusional. It also reveals the intellectual collapse of the magazine of which Frum's rant was printed, NATIONAL REVIEW, editing by the equally callow Rich Lowry.

But if any conservative backs are to be turned on others who think of themselves as part of the "movement", it is the false conservatism of neo-conservatism that deserves the abyss. Historically, it is the neo-conservatives who were disenchanted leftists whose icons were , FDR, Harry Truman, the Kennedys, Martin Luther King, LBJ and Hubert Humphrey.

The neo-conservatives are supporters of big government programs. They have endorsed anti-conservatives like Colin Powell and John McCain for president and many are toying with supporting Rudy Guiliani for president in 2008. After the Gingrich Revolution flamed out, they heartily endorsed something called "National Greatness Conservatism", an ersatz stew that seemed to support big government and the use of the American military as world policeman.

Neo-conservatives, with few exceptions, are content with the Left's stranglehold on the dominant pop culture. Most are contemptuous of the historic American nation with the exception of some of Thomas Jefferson's most silly universalist musings. Neo-conservatives are supportive of the Third World immigration invasion that is dissolving the historic American nation. Most neo-conservatives hate the South. Many have problems with Christianity. Almost all neo-conservatives have disdain for blue collar conservatives who have been displaced by absolutist free trade policies. And the war the neo-conservatives rabidly wanted against Iraq has resulted in 3000 dead American soldiers, over 20,000 wounded, a price tag that promises to pass the $ 500 billion level by the end of George W. Bush's dismal presidency, political catastrophe in 2006, and a discrediting of conservatism as a governing force in general.

All good conservatives must turn our backs on the neo-conservative menace that has so damaged our good and proud cause.


disagree with 'Jimmy the saint'
"It is hard to imagine a more totally provoked war: violated UN resolutions,refusal to allow inspection of sites, etc."

Are you nuts?? Who cares about the UN?, it's just a commie think tank. Pretty soon you will want all American lives ruled by these one world morons!


AMERICA, STILL BEAUTIFUL!
Can I begin by applauding 2 authors comment's:
#1: ApolloSpeaks
#2: Deornwulf
These are guys who understand the importance of being truly conservative and understand the importance of our international commitments.

How many times are we going to hear that 3000 soldiers have died? I also hear on a regular basis that the U.S. has deployed MILLIONS of troops in the same 5 year period that we lost 3000. While anyone dying to defend my freedom should have the utmost respect and acknowledgment (which I give to all 3000) I do not want to over look the overwhelmingly good odds a U.S. Soldier stands of NOT DYING in Iraq. Let us not base our victories solely on how many soldiers we burry either; if that is the case then we lost WWII. No let us base our victory on our ability to stand strong and see this nation (Iraq) meet its destiny of Democracy. It is the deserved freedom and right of all people; and now a new brother in the world has earned it... with our help... with our continued help that is. We cannot bail on them now; this would only cause them to have great distain for us, as well as democracy.
All I hear is people b#%ching about "George Bush is a terrible person and President", people b#%ching about "War is Evil", people just plain out b#%ching. I have nothing to b#%ch about when it comes to my Country. It is suffering from a large national deficit(still, like it has been for two hundred years), It is at war with Terrorists (so to protect my freedoms and life style), it is also the leading single contributor of medical advancements, technology, free trade, fair employment, personal luxuries, out-reach, and much much more. I live comfortably with still many of the freedoms this country was designed for me to have. I still keep (probably not enough, but) most of my earnings, I get to choose my place of employment, I am allowed to choose my own healthcare programs (or even choose NOT to have healthcare), I can spend my money freely, I can give my time freely, I have running water at all times, I have electricity at all times, I have immunizations, I have the ability to get Emergency Medical treatment regardless of my age, race, income, or beliefs. I am given the freedom to support George W. Bush despite his unpopularity among the left, and the media. I have the freedom to support the soldiers who died for these freedoms, regardless of the complaints of the left and the media. I have the right to buy from the competitor of any company I choose to NOT purchase from... and I have the right to defend these freedoms. I am very proud to be an American; and I will pray for our future.

propaganda
tanabear,
I have to totally disagree with you on all of your points. We ARE fighting terrorists, and some of them ARE Iraqis. Iraq has harbored and dealt with terrorists for decades.
This was a justified invasion. Saddam refused inspections, and harbored/dealt with terrorist... oh and was a terrorist who mass murdered his own people. The U.N. is and always has been a joke, but we do our best to appease them anyway... unlike some radical and dangerous countries: Iraq (under Saddams rule), North Korea, China, etc... Etc...
Hans Blix is a moron, and an American-Hater he also said that Iraq would be better under Saddams rule than in a democracy... he certainly has the people in his heart.
Do you mean we did not lose any aircrafts in "No Fly Zones" or that we did not lose any pilots? Because there is a difference, and we WERE shot at.
And perhaps, as I am tired of explaining to people, the WMD's where dismantled, sold, destroyed, buried, or given away (to terrorist I mind you) when Saddam knew for sure that U.S. military was coming... or when he read about U.S. top secret war strategies in the NY Times... he subscribed.
I am still not convinced that no WMD's were found myself; I think they were found and the liberal media is covering it up to make Bush look guilty (what I can't have conspiracy theories too?!?)
There is a world of propaganda, and Neo-Cons are obviously despised all around; but America is in no wrong here.

Liberal Thought
I just finally visited the daily kos and I got to say I am truly speachless. I didn't realise the world was that bad. I mean just by paying my electric bill I'm destroying the planet.

I thought every problem in the world required different solutions, but apparently we can end all of this pain by killing every Jew, Christian, American and CEO, who would've thought it was that easy all along

I'm not saying I hate liberals, they read all this garbage and they want to try to help save the world, they're just doing what they think is right. But my one suggestion to them is that if someone tells you all the ridiculous things that the kos does take a moment to come to a place like TH and get a second opinion, before you go calling people idiots and saying that your ideas are the only ones that can work.

Oh and if you are going to say that your ideas are the best, it is usaully good to have and idea first.

Oh and also thank god I'm a conservative because these people are crazy!!

The heavy, cosmetically challenged truth

This adventure was doomed from day one. Anyone who had taken the trouble review the history of Iraq would have understood the complete inadequacy of the United States to resolve the situation. The British only created the synthetic Iraqi state through the massive application of military force against the indigenous peoples. The various factions that governed this political miscarriage since the British departure did so only through the most draconian methods. How can a nation whose leaders who have never served in the military, view armed conflict with the same soft politically correct outlook that they draw on for every aspect of public policy, cope? A nation whose political necessities are based on the value systems of elementary school teachers and ACLU attorneys should avoid counter insurgency warfare at all costs. Time to cut our losses, slink home, and contemplate the economic and political reality of living in a nation that is devolving into a second rate power.

Side note
Almost forgot is there anybody who can tell me what the hell INTENTIONAL LIVING is, because I didn't know that one could accidentaly live.

One of us, one of us...
As a liberal, I've generally agreed with Buchanan's take on the war in Iraq. It was conceived in an idealistic fervor, planned in confusion, and executed at the strategic level with ineptitude. It is now about the manhood of Bush, who will stay the course until we run out of soldiers.

Where I differ from Buchanan is with the bigger picture. I remain convinced that the war in Iraq is just the warmup act for the "long war" some strategists talk about between the US (and the West as a whole) and Islam. That conflict is global, generally nonconventional, and likely to extend for decades into the future. My grandchildren will be maying taxes for it or serving in it.

What's wrong with our Iraqi mission is that it was based on the fantasy that we can turn Iraq into some sort of Western-style democracy. We can't, and it's not going to happen. We should be absolutely clear about where our true interests lie. We should be prepared to employ overwhelming force against any group or movement that facilitates the Islamist war against us. We should be willing and able to pursue enemies into any state that harbors or supports them. We should be prepared to reply with force against any attack on American assets or allies anywhere in the world. What we should NOT do is to succumb to the delusion that we are going to reform the governments of the Islamic world.

Our aims in the long war should be clear, and clearly-articulated. The "Vulcans" never understood this, and American men and women are paying the price for their ignorance and arrogance.

I'm a lifelong liberal Democrat and don't have any problem with my position. Conservatives who cling to Bush's fantasy world are pathetic.

As we found out..
And the Russians as well as any other placed that radically tried to apply democracy it does not work. Democracy, a like an acorn, requires certain infrastructure to be in place before it can bloom. The perfect storm of goods and services have to be established. The American experiment had the initial base on which democracy could be built. Farmers and merchants as well as intellectuals co-existed. Gorbachev in Russia tried to change the economy there so that Democracy could take hold. He forgot or tried to forget that Stalin and others before him destroyed the infrastructure and murdered intellectuals.
This is what we are seeing in Iraq today. The infrastructure of an agrarian economy was decimated by Saddam. With it, intellectuals were banished or murdered. The basis for democracy was not there and has not been since the British left in the 1920's. We are trying to build a foundation on which democracy can be built. But that foundation cannot be built by anybody but Iraqis.
That is the idea nobody seems to understand. The British did not build the American Democracy, Americans did. As such, we cannot expect an Iraqi democracy until Iraqis begin to build it. We are in their way. We should get out now and let them do what they have to do. Conservatives should understand this point.

PS. I do not remember who in this post said something about the UN Sanctions, but the UN Sanctions should not be an issue. When did the United States become the UN's police department. If we truly want to be out of the UN, we should stop answering the call.

tannabear
posted, "No, we are fighting Iraqis. We invaded their country under false pretenses and now neo-cons call them "terrorists" so they can justify killing innocent people. "

Do you REALLY believe what you post?

Do you REALLY believe that the USA invaded Iraq just so we could kill innocent poeple?

You've posted a lot of tripe on TH.com, but now you've apparently gone 'round the bend.

If the "terrorists" are simply "innocent people", as you claim, then please explain what ambition is being satisfied by these killings.

MeryGoBoy.
How did you ever arrive at the conclusion that you are ALL a pain in my glutious maximus? Do you mean all of you nutcase, neocon fixated, paranoid, delusional posters here on Town Hall.


If that is what you meant, you are absolutely correct. You get a gold star to go along with your little aluminum hat.


On the other hand, I am very much in agreement with lots of posters. I mean the real people. The conservatives. The ones who inhabit the real world. They think for themselves. They never accepted the pointy little aluminum hats, made to fit your pointy little heads.


To tanabear
Your comments about a Iraq complying with weapons inspections prior to (and up to) March of 2003 are not factual. Powell stated as much (as did Hans Blix). The following documents show that "Baghdad has continued to show insufficient cooperation to clarify its December declaration and demonstrate that it no longer possesses weapons of mass destruction." These documents can be found at here:

http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2003_03/iraq_mar03.asp

They further show that Iraq was not fulfilling its requirement under UN Resolution 1441 (either before or after the inspections resumed).
You may have a beef with "neocons", but anyone who is competent on national security issues must deal with the unique security dilemma of our time, namely how do we deal with nations who are not transparent about their WMD programs AND have a history (no matter how small) of cooperating with Islamic terrorists? I must admit, I fear Buchanan's anti-preemptive doctrine more than I do the neo-cons (even if Bush has failed to apply it correctly in Iraq).

The irony of Buchanan's column
Buchanan says the neocons are jumping ship and denouncing the Bush administration as incompetent. True enough. But isn't it also extremely ironic that Bush - target of condescension, derision, and scorn from these civilian Clausewitzes - is apparently going to adopt their warplan, from the ultra-neocon American Enterprise Institute, as his answer to the American voters who rejected the Iraq war last November?

This, after the neocons jumped ship. This, after neocon influence has supposedly been in decline for the past three years (ever since it became apparent that Iraq wasn't, after all, a cakewalk).

W is giving the neocons everything they want. For the first time in American history, the commander in chief is going to force his military to fight according to a blueprint produced by a civilian thinktank (not by the Pentagon or CENTCOM), which could be rightly named OPLAN KAGAN, for its principal author, the young neocon history professor and AEI "defense intellectual," Frederick Kagan.

Sort of boggles the mind, doesn't it? Look at the plan at the AEI website and note all its authors. A few figleaf retired military officers, notably General Keane. How about the distaff Kagan and the ubiquitous Danielle Pleka? Napoleons in dresses, no doubt. I wonder if AEI will send commissars to watch over the shoulders of the Army and Marine commanders on the ground, making sure they execute the plan just the way our neocon friends want?

Speaking of cake, I guess the neocons are that rare breed who get to have their cake and eat it too. They reject all blame for the Iraq disaster, blame everyone else from soup to nuts, virtually call Bush a moron (they got that right, at least)and what happens? They demand the war be escalated, write the plan to make it happen, and get their plan accepted by the president and rammed down the throats of his generals and the American people.

So I think the stories of neocon decline so hopefully reported by PJB and others are...premature, to say the least.

I'm pretty disappointed
in Charles. All of the so-called "neo-cons" are a big disappointment letting Bush fly in the wind, blaming him for the whole mess.

How about some accountability here Charles? You were beating the drums of war in the beginning.

As far as Saddam goes, he needed to die a long time ago. The Iraqis tried him, convicted him, and hanged him. Who cares if it was botched. The job is done.
Get over it.

Please excuse mistake
I meant Pat, not Charles and Buchanan is an idiot.

Oh, come one
tannabear. Who are you trying to kid with that garbage? Hans Blix and the whole UN were in on the UN scandal "Oil for Food". They didn't want their choice deal go down the drain with the US coming in and ending their scams. For God's sake man, get a grip!

tannabear
What truth? Your truth? The Neocon madness truth?

Despite that, whatever the so called neocons did or didn't do, the fact of the matter is that the UN was completely immersed in a scam with Saddam, bilking millions. Those "sanctions" were not working, but were giving Saddam added funds to do whatever he planned.

How did you like finding out your tax dollars were going into the pockets of the despot UN members?

Whether it was right or wrong to go into Iraq is another argument. There is no argument that Hans Blix and his UN cronies were up to their necks in
sh&t. So, who would/could believe anything they had to say.

tannabear
Here, I've got a good conspiracy theory for you.

All the UN members, including France were wheeling and dealing with Saddam, sending him weapons, while they got oil. Monies, great amounts changed hands, very dirty ones I might add.

Next, we have good old GW, like a dork, thinking Saddam as WMD. Why, because the whole world said he did. Yep. All of the intelligence agencies in the world said Saddam had WMD. A lot of democrats said so too.

So, dork GW, decides that he better go into Iraq and shut this operation down. Well, the UN tried desperately to stop him, even after the resolutions had been snubbed by good old Saddam.

Ah, the conspiracy goes on. Saddam thought GW will not come in here because my good buddies at the UN will keep him out.

But, GW was fixed. He was going in. So, Saddam starts to move his weapons out of the country with the help of the Russians. Yes, all those trucks crossing over the border into Syria for the 3 months he had a warning. Satellite photos showing Russians loading materials into huge trucks from warehouses. I suppose the Russians were loading up the missing Russian art never found after WWII. Yeah, that's it. Missing artwork. Catherine the Great's Palace! That had to be it.

GW goes into Iraq, and guess what? There's no weapons found. Oh, my God!! What a shock!! NO WEAPONS!! Didn't the whole world say Saddam had them. But, where are they???

That's the BIG question. How about spending time tannabear on finding an answer to that one.

johnny
Tanabear jsut likes to use the word neo-con. That is a personal vice as opposed to, say, food.

Where were all the liberal posters yesterday when Sandy Berger's deed was being discussed in William Rusher's column? They couldn't stand to have to be choked by facts that Berger should be a convicted felon serving time for stealing classified documents for their man Bill (so his wonderful legacy is not "tarnished.")


Here is another great example of what works and what doesn't in the lib playbook.
It was all Bush's Fault for Katrina and the people who were affected. How come nobody cried foul when Denver got 44 inches of snow- where was FEMA, the 2k debit cards,etc...? Where were all the hand-outs and manpower? I'll use one of their plays...election over,no need to play that card...(they were mostly white people anyway, right?)
They expend their energy to spew hate against whatever Bush/any neocon has done. They spew hate and run from facts and real solutions.

Don't feed their fire...

Thanks merrygoboy
I feel like I have finally arrived. Thanks to you, I am now a known neocon. Well, given my history, I guess it was inevitable that a sharp cookie like you would figure it out.

I have said that I used to bea liberal Democrat. I also said that I discovered that the leftist/Progressive/Marxist traitors who were close to Martin Luther King used the dismal reality of American racism to undermine and damage the country as much as possible.

Then, later in life, I watched the liberal Democrat Party begin its efforts to destroy the Second Amendment, and it helped hasten my evolution into conservatism.

Eventually I found my way to Town Hall. I learned from people like you on this site wha a neocon was. what an epiphany. You guys showed me that I am in fact a neocon.

You led me to Google the word and its history. I discovered that people like Jeanne Kirkpatrick and Scoop Jackson started out as liberals. They abandoned the Democrat Party when the radical leftists of the sixties began to demonstrate their traitorous agenda.

Those people wanted to weaken America militarily. They actually detested their own country, and supported every enemy of the United States. That has not changed.

Now, thanks to you and a few others on Town Hall, I realize that supporting Israel finally removes all doubt. I am a neocon. I want to see America remain the super power. I want to see Muslim jihadists erased from the face of the earth before they pose any greater threat to the future of the civilized world.

Yes,I want all of these things, and I want Israel to be able to live in peace and security in their own country. I guess that finally establishes my identity as a true neocon. I am so proud.

I am proud and I don't know what you are. So far you have not shown me how it can be a bad thing to support my country. All I get from you and the neocon haters on this site is a bunch of allegations about how much control neocons have over the government of the United States.

Allegations that you can not prove. Allegations that are dispicable because you can not prove them. I have not heard any one of you guys provide documentation that confirms the paranoid picture you try to paint.

I won't waste any more time on you, or the rest of that small group of individuals who attempt to convince us that neocons represent the threat you obviosly believe that they do. Personally, I think you need help.

Again, thanks,

Skip, Proud Neocon.

P.S. You better start sleeping with the lights on. As soon as I receive my evil neocon operational kit, I will be coming for you. You won't be able to see me, but I will be there. Boo!



I am reminded of Babe Ruth
who was known for holding the home-run record, but was also known for having had the greatest number of strikeouts.

The reason was that he always "went for it."

When you play it too safe, you don't strike out, but you also don't get any home runs.

There is no reason that we should not have the terrorists on the run, except for the fact we have become too soft, and listen too much to the hysteria of the anti-war obsessives.

We are trying too much to have a "nice" war, but there is no such thing.

Should we add more troops?

Perhaps, but what we really need is to stop making our guys behave in such a PC manner. For example, why do they have to fill out paperwork every time they shoot someone? It is an effing war! People get shot in wars!

Just tell the "pacifists" to get lost, and fight like you want to win!

And stop prosecuting soldiers for doing their jobs!

Amadei
"There is no argument that Hans Blix and his UN cronies were up to their necks in
sh&t. So, who would/could believe anything they had to say."

So you have proof that Hans Blix and the UNMOVIC team (including Americans) were taking bribes from Saddam Hussein not to find WMD? I find that suprising since there's no evidence of it and that UNMOVIC was successful in destroying Iraq's al-Samoud 2 missiles.

However, it was the CPA, under the tutelage of L Paul Bremmer, that looted Iraq to the tune of $9 billion dollars, and then cut and ran. However, since Hans Blix was unable to find any of Iraq's WMD, and then both David Kay and Charles Duelfer were also unable to find any WMD, I suppose they were also on Saddam's payroll, even while Saddam was in custody?

Instead of trying to slither through this argument with falsities and spurious comments, just give up and concede the obvious: president Bush and the Neocons tricked Americans into a war that had no relevance to our national security.




Red tooth
Only a flaming liberal would say that they were "tricked" by a President/neo-cons. You people really do have a disease, I swear. Facts don't count and Tana has been spewing about a conspiracy since as far back as Sept 06.
Never mind that all the dems had the same info as republicans when the vote for war was done.
Do I need to quote your heroes- Kerry, Albright,Edwards, Kennedy et al and then show how they waffled for political gains? You will never get it and everything is a lie or a trick.
Liberals have never learned to grow up and live in Never-never land-

Terrorists would 'never' come here.

Sadaam Hussien 'never' killed his own people and neither did Hitler,hey?

Iran will 'never' develop nuclear weapons.

Clinton 'never' gave North Korea nukes.

Our National Security was 'never' at stake.

How quickly you forget there has 'NEVER' been another attack on US soil since our PResident took a stand!!! Or is that just a fluke?

F-ing take your rose-colored glasses off before you die, will you? By then, it will be too late.


jerabaub
7:23 AM post...

.....great insight...you distilled the essence of the fiasco in Iraq into a short paragraph...congrats .....COLOSSUS

George 'Nero' Bush
Fiddles while America becomes less of a 'place' everyday as the intended millions of working citizen replacements just continue to pour in.
The 'Illegal' invasion is no accident. It’s moving ahead with all of the will and drive that the Iraq war deserves.
Makes me wonder why they aren't just shipped in crates full of pods like in the movie The Invasion of the Body Snatchers (maybe that's were global currency loyalists got the idea in the first place).

Iraq presented any number of opportunities, one would be building a country sized Jihadi motel, where Jihadis can check in but never check out.
Not building a bad guy killing machine and keeping it well greased left a lot of Jihadis on the loose.

The Iraq war didn't create new Jihadis, the same number of western civilization haters exists today as yesterday (minus the number dispatched by our troops so far).
There were and are X number of bad guys to send on to Allah.

It's just that incompetence has gotten in the way.

Compare an independent and ‘solvent’ America with the political correctness demanded in exchange for a Middle East war.
When you owe everybody 'something', nobody will care a fig about your 'ideological' success.

Nee?
Really? We weren't tricked into war by an administration hellbent on overthrowing Saddam's regime? Then tell me: what's the name of the biological and chemical weapon facilities Iraq was using to produce WMD in 2002 and early 2003?

It's true that many others also said that Iraq had WMD but this ignores the issue of culpability. Since the "intelligence" was deliberately manipulated by the Bush administration, it's not surprising that other politicians -- both Republicans and Democrats -- said Iraq had WMD.

However, degrees of guilt matter. Is someone who inadvertantly passes along a counterfeit dollar bill just as guilty as the person who did the counterfeiting? Is someone cites a fake news story just as guilty as the person who wrote the fake news story?

Of course lots of people said Iraq had WMD and that's because they were lied to, or as I said in my previous post -- tricked.

Give the Generals the troops and equipt.
War is not easy for anyone involved, but the truth is politicans are not strategy specialists and they refuse to acknowledge that fact. They have an ego that tells them that they know what is best. They were elected to do the bidding of the people. They cannot even do that!

I suggest they and everyone else, stay the hell out of the generals wlay. Give them the troops and equipment that they need, then give them one good piece of advice. "Win the war, as ethically as possible, but in the long run, win the war."

WIN THE DAMN THING
Agree with Derek.

So far:

3 000 US dead (*&^%$ hell, that's a lot!)

[50 000+ Iraqi dead (holy ^&%$#!), although this is not America's fault. Terrorists are doing all that]

$400b American taxpayer bill & will continue to grow. (What else could that have been spent on?)

= NOT WORTH IT

I was for this war, but you have to ask: at what level of dead/wounded/$ will even the most ardent neo-con say ENOUGH'S ENOUGH?

As Bill O'reilly says, war is a performance-related business. Therefore Bush is unltimately to blame. And the conservative movement has & will suffer more.

We don't want to hear excuses, we just want the *&^%$ thing dealt with & won. WIN IT!!!

Amazing that despite this, significant numbers of both Con & Dem reps are up for military action on Iran if nec. BS! SHOW US YOU CAN WIN THIS ONE FIRST!! before you pin-heads lead us down the garden path again. Our politicians are the Olympic equivalent of Mongolia.
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