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Tuesday, September 26, 2006
Pat Buchanan :: Townhall.com Columnist
Consult America -- Before Iran war!
by Pat Buchanan
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"To jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war."

So Winston Churchill is widely quoted. Those words, however, were spoken in 1954, decades after Churchill's voice had been the most bellicose for war in 1914 and 1939, the wars that bled and broke his beloved empire.

Yet, Churchill's quote frames well the main question on the mind of Washington, D.C.: Will President Bush effect the nuclear castration of Iran before he leaves office, or has he already excluded the war option?

One school contends that the White House has stared down the gun barrel at the prospect of war with Iran, and backed away. The costs and potential consequences -- thousands of Iranian dead, a Shia revolt against us in Iraq joined by Iranian "volunteers," the mining of the Straits of Hormuz, $200-a-barrel oil, Hezbollah strikes on Americans in Lebanon, terror attacks on our allies in the Gulf and on Americans in the United States -- are too high a price to pay for setting back the Iranian nuclear program a decade.

Another school argues thus: If Tehran survives the Bush era without dismantling its nuclear program, Bush will be a failed president. He declared in his 2002 State of the Union Address that no axis-of-evil nation would be allowed to acquire the world's worst weapons. Iran and North Korea will have both defied the Bush Doctrine. His legacy would then be one of impotency in Iran and North Korea, and two failed wars -- in Iraq and Afghanistan -- which will be in their sixth and eighth years.

Those who know him best say that George Bush is not a man to leave office with such a legacy. He will go to war first, even if no one goes along.

But before America faces this question, two others need answering.

Is Iran so close to a nuclear weapon that if we do not act now, it will be too late? Or do we have perhaps a decade before Iran has the capacity to build nuclear weapons?

Early this year, Israel was warning that if Iran was not stopped by March 2006, it would be too late. Iran would by then have acquired the knowledge and experience needed to build nuclear weapons.

The neoconservatives, too, have been demanding "Action this day!" and were stunned by Bush's statement at the United Nations that America does not oppose Iran's acquisition of peaceful nuclear power.

The other side argues that Iran is perhaps a decade away from being able to produce enough fissile material for a bomb, that the 164 centrifuges Tehran has are so primitive and few in number it will take years even to produce fuel for nuclear power plants.

While the International Atomic Energy Agency has not given Iran a clean bill of health, it has never concluded that Iran is working on a bomb.

Where does this leave America? With grave questions, the answers to which should be given not by George Bush alone, but by the American people through their representatives in the Congress.

Lest we forget, it is not President Bush who decides on war or peace. The Congress is entrusted with that power in the Constitution. The Founding Fathers wanted a clear separation between the commander in chief who would fight the war and the legislators who would declare it. They had had their fill of royal wars.

Congress, when this election is over, should return to Washington to conduct hearings on how close Iran is to a nuclear capacity, and place that information before the nation. We do not need any more cherry-picked and stove-piped intelligence to take us to war. But the critical question that needs to be taken up in congressional and public debate is this:

Even if Tehran is seeking a nuclear capacity, should the United States wage war to stop her? Is a nuclear-armed Iran more of an intolerable threat than was a nuclear-armed Stalin or Mao, both of whom America outlasted without war?

Today, Republicans and Democrats are competing in calling Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad a Hitler who will complete the Holocaust, a terrorist with whom we cannot deal. But the Iran he leads has not started a war since its revolution, 27 years ago, and knows that if it attacked America, it will invite annihilation as a nation.

Bismarck called pre-emptive war committing suicide out of fear of death -- not a bad description of what we did in invading Iraq.

Today, President Bush does not have the constitutional authority to launch pre-emptive war. Congress should remind him of that, and demand that he come to them to make the case and get a declaration of war, before he undertakes yet another war -- on Iran.

Before any air strikes are launched on Iran's nuclear facilities, every American leader should be made to take a public stand for or against war. No more of these "If-only-I-had-known" and "We-were-misled" copouts.

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Iran's terrorist proxies
"But the Iran he leads has not started a war since its revolution, 27 years ago..."

Hezb'Allah
Arms for HAMAS and Fatah
Chechnya
Bosnia
Kosovo

Iran hasn't needed to start a war. They've got terrorist proxies to do their fighting for them. That or they deploy the Revolutionary Guard to assist their terrorist proxies.

Mgraves
Yeah, that 27 years phrase was a real disconnect from reality. They're probably the currently largest exporter of terrorism in the world.

Pat the anti-Bush
mgraves is correct.

The prospect of national suicide would NOT deter apocaliptic fanatics like Ahmadinejad and his cohorts. We in the West do not wish to accept this concept. The cold war rules do not apply here. MAD won't work. The destruction of the Persian population by nuclear strikes would be the greatest mass martyrdom in history and only secure a special place in paradise for the mad mullahs running that country!!! If they can claim the death of mass numbers of infidels beforehand so much the better. Allah will be most pleased and elevate the souls of the mass murdering perpetrators to the highest honors (and most virgins) available in the afterlife.

As for informed consent of the populace, I, for one haven't a clue about nuclear engineering nor the progress of Iran in getting a bomb or two or three or more to distribute around the world.

The only solution I have is an Israeli-like strike on Iran's facilites and see what happens next.

Bandwagon
I'm not one for jumping on it, but there isn't a country in the world that would be dumb enough to start a nuclear war, least of all with the United States. Nuclear fallout, both the physical and the political, would be so great that the country who started it would most likely be wiped from the face of the planet within the month. But have we forgotten that the terrorists who hijacked four planes one fateful day more than five years ago were from Iran? Iran doesn't have to start the war. All they must do is develop the technology without allowing the rest of the world to know how far they've gotten, sell it to the highest bidding terrorist organization, then announce their nuclear program to be a failure so that when ground zero from 9/11 becomes a radioactive waste dump devoid of all life for the next five decades (or whatever the time period is), they won't be blamed.

tanabear
You're right: neo-cons want to rid Iran and Syria of the regimes that currently govern them. But you speak of propaganda as if it must be evil. Remember that without the propaganda spread by Franklin D. Roosevelt, America would not likely have been so eager to go to war with Germany, who had nothing to do with Pearl Harbor. Had FDR been honest, Pearl Harbor likely never would have happened, but he needed something like that to convince Americans that this wasn't only the rest of the world's problem. Would you prefer that we allow Middle Eastern nations to do as they please? History has shown us that, if given the chance, Islamic extremists will wipe Christianity, and every country in which it is the main religion, off the face of the planet. Or maybe we just misunderstand the message being sent by the beheading of an American hostage and countless attacks on US embasseys? No, maybe all of these things are not directly linked to those governments, but are you really so naive as to believe that they happen without the knowledge and support of the regimes you seem to be defending?

Shouldn't wait 10 years
As soon as we are positive of Iran's intentions we should take out their nuclear ability. But I'm afraid our feckless Congress will take the attitude of appeasement and wait. By doing so, we give them even more time to defy freedom and the United States while spreading the tentacles of terrorism even deeper around the world.

Since the UN display, the lies and propaganda have already started by Chavez to gain support of world opinion. He now is claiming to the world that our president has put out assassination orders on him for what he said at the UN.

If we don't take a firm stand now, the situation will only get worse.

Forget school of thought
It's easy to tell when Americans start listening to the rhetoric of Ahmadinejad. They start using the same words and terminology Ahmadinejad uses to convince the world he's a victim and President Bush is denying him whats rightfully his. A nuke. Ahmadinejad doesn't understand there's a big difference in America and Israel having a nuke, compared to a perfect liar like him developing one. If we start playing Ahmadinejad games like he want us too, there will be no stoping him and his demands for more appeasments. Ahmadinejad is a good chess player. He first attempted to make a fool of President Bush in a bogus debate. He hasn't stop trying. He now wants to have a meeting with President Bush about what? The bogus debate? His development of the nuke? Enriching his uranium? Why does Ahmadinejad want to meet privately with President Bush outside of the United Nations. Hugo Chavez and Ahmadinejad, both came on American soil and insulted President Bush. That took nerve and hatred of President Bush to disregard their own safety in doing so. There's nothing these two wouldn't do to get President Bush off their backs. There is no way President Bush should meet with Ahmadinejad. This man is too unstable and dangerous to be left to enrich his uranium. Ahmadinejad doesn't debate, meet, nor negotiate. He convinces others to do his bidding so he can in turn rule them with his Islamic justice and Islamic rule. Ahmadinejad is nothing but a snake oil salesman trying to ease the scare he thinks President Bush is putting in Americans and the United Nations about terrorism.
For those who thinks President Bush should meet Ahmadinejad, remember one thing, lying to infidels is not only permitted, but required in the Koran. Not believing in the war in Iraq doesn't erase the fact, the terrorist have declared war on this country and the American people. There is no amount of rhetoric by the Democrats and the media that will make Americans more safe if we leave Iraq.



























errorist like Ahmadinejad represents himself as a victim to the world as if President Bush is denying him whats rightfully his

Just say Jew, tanabear
You know you want to. It slides off the tongue Sooooo much easier than 'neo-con.' And require soooo much less brain power....

Consider me consulted.
I'm all for waiting as long as we can, but Iran's begging for a fight, and someone needs to give it to 'em.

Who appointed us keepers of nukes?
Granted Ahmadinejad does have screw-ball ideas(his 12th imam fixation being but one). But does anyone really believe that we, or anyone, can forever deprive a committed Iran from developing nukes? Far better that we support and encourage movements within Iran dedicated to eliminating the mullahs from power. A precise military strike, quickly delivered, on suspected Iranian nuclear weapon facilities may buy us time, but at a cost Buchanan so well enumerates above. Our action will further inflame an already radicalized muslim street throughout the mideast, placing in jeopardy "moderate" regimes such as Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Remember, the Arab and Muslim street is far more hostile to the U.S. than are its leaders(Musharraf, the Saudi kings, or Mubarak). Oddly enough, Saudi Arabian and Egyptian leaders may quietly applaud us, even while condemning our actions publicly(they too fear a Shia nation with nukes..and it would compel them to develop nukes of their own). Would we then have to bomb facilities in Saudi Arabia, Egypt? I just think the genie is out of the bottle, and we cannot forever keep a nation from acquiring nukes, if that is its intention.
I agree with Buchanan here. We should have a public discussion on this. Bush should go to congress and get authorization before embarking on a course of action that has the potential for such dire consequences.

Congress vs. Iran Nukes
Pat Buchanan's evaluations make a lot of sense, though I don't necessarily believe that his conclusions will necessarily come true. There's always the unknown that decides things. Also, the one bone I would pick with him in this is his advice that after the coming elections, Congress should decide what threat Iran is "nuke-wise"! We would trust this group of spend happy, dishonest, headline grabbing ignormuses to even think about making a decision like this? It would be like a bunch of kids arguing over the ice cream and cake - yes, Congress declares war, but they do that after the President and his cabinet decide what the threat is. It looks good on paper, Pat, but if you think Congress has a snowball's chance of determining Iran's nuclear threat, you're dreaming.

Congress?
The gang that can't spend straight is not going to anything that they won't try to cop out on if the sledding gets a bit rough. They authorized action agaonst Iraq and today they pretend they were misled, what would change if we had to go toe to toe with Iran? The exact same thing!

I for one do not want to sit around for ten years waiting to see what the Iranians do, because a nuclear missile in their hands would be a frightening thing. They are already supplying terror proxies with conventional weapons to wage war on the West and Israel, and I am sure they would supply them with nuclear weapons if they could. We can't sit back and wait for that to happen...read BrianR's blog post 'City of Glass' to see what the results could be.

Revisionist History
Every left-wing democrat who now crows the "Bush Lied" mantra regarding Iraq were themselves on the record as agreeing that S Hussein had WMD and was all around not a good guy. The only thing more reprehensible than the democrats and their mindless followers in the public assuming this position is the so-called objective mindless democratic party toadies in the so-called mainstream news media. I find it amusing that Fox news is excoriated because their opinion pieces tend to lean right, yet the actual news in the majority of print and electronic media lean far left, and that gets a pass. That's what you end up with when you call evil good and good evil.............

Iran
I remember when it was said that China couldn't be trusted with the Bomb; that they would use it without hesitation.
Now the same thing is being said of Iran: 'they're crazy, they don't fear death' etc.

OK- they already have conventional missiles that can reach Israel. If they really wanted to commit suicide they could've launched these, but they haven't.
I don't think Iran is any less rational than any other nation state.
Buchanon's right.

The public
"The public is one immense a$$." -- Ogden Nash

We are at War with Syria and Terhan
Just ask any service member fighting in Iraq. Every IED, laptop, cellphone, and bag of cash comes from either Syria or Iran. The Iranians have been bankrolling the dissident tribes in Afghanistan, training, arming and funding Hezbollah (who BTW murdered 250 Marines in Beruit in 1983), and fund many of the cells operating in Thailand, the Phillipines, and Europe. Osama's oldest son has been a "guest" in Terhan for the last 5 years, and according to MI5,is now operating in Lebanon.

Much of the problems in Iraq were caused by outdated methods and strategy implemented by CENTCOM. Unlike, Afghanistan, CENTCOM relied on Cold War tactics and methods for subduing Saddam. Fortunatly, the Marines are reforming the way they fight these low intensity conflicts. The USMC is instituting a Spec Ops Command with the Navy. Instead of deploying a Fleet Force, future marine ops will deploy spec ops teams in the same manner the Army deploys its Green Berets and Delta operators. The Air Force too has streamlined its force structure around supporting special force ground teams.

This is exactly what Rumsfield had in mind in Feb 2001. We saw in Nov through Dec 2001 what a few spec ops operators could do. The Army invested hundreds of billions in thier Cold War, Fulda Gap type of military. The burnt out shells of M1-A1s, Bradley's, and Hummers attest to this failed strategy. Thousands of officers (0-4 and above) are stuck commanding heavy brigades and above with no mission other than conducting patrols. Earlier this summer we saw how the IDF's heavy divisions met thier match in Lebanon.

Whether we like it or not, the days of fighting wars with division and corps sized units is a thing of the past. Our failures in Iraq isn't a failure of skill, or bravery, but one of strategy and tactics. Buchanan misses this point entirely. A spec ops campagin against Iran and Syria is what is needed. And it need not be a full fledged high intensity campaign.

The way we have our forces organized would be the same if the New England Patriots decided to run the wishbone triple option. No matter how many great athletes they signed, thier teams would lose every game. The way our "leaders" in the Beltway and the Pentagon keep the old force structure alive is exactly the same.

We will prevail one way or another in Iraq the same way Grant prevailed against Lee: sheer perseverence and skill at the platoon and company level.

This article is a waste of space.
Why all the investigations if at the end of the day you are suggesting that war with Iran is the wrong way to go REGARDLESS of whether they are close to making the bombs or not? Seems like a waste of time to me. Using your logic we ought to just tell Iran to go ahead and make the bombs, we don't care, and spare the time it would take for legnthy invesatigations and debate.

If we do just tell them to go ahead and make their bombs though, we need to be very firm in our promises that should they use one of those bombs, the lives of every person inside the Iranian borders is forfeit.

"neocon"
It is my experience that no rational discussion on any issue can be had when the term "neocon" is used. All the moonbats start coming out of the woodwork with their conspiracy theories about world domination and Jewish fascism, and whatever you intended to discuss gets overshadowed by it. When you use such a term in an article such as this one, you are essentially saying that you don't want the article itself to be discussed, in which case one must wonder why it was written in the first place. If you are looking for anti-neocon rants, instead of taking the time to write a whole article, you can just print the word "neocon" and then go back to whatever it was you were doing before you started writing. ;)

I'm not sure the word even MEANS anything.....

What an Iran With Nukes Would Mean
1)The Kingdom of Saudi would be Finlandized. The Shias in Iraq would be emboldened and quite probably lead a successfull insurrection in Iraq as well. Saudi and Iraq will become puppets.

2)With claims to 50% of World Oil Supplies, Iran would disband OPEC, or OPEC would be Iran's organization.

3)Iran could dictate Middle East Policy through the manipulation of international oil prices.

4)With its coffers full, civil wars in Jordan, Egypt, and Turkey would follow until Iranians backed regimes could be put into effect.

5)Egypt would probably purchase nukes via Russia and China.

6)Pakistan and Iran would be headed for a confrontation. Afghanistan would be thier battleground.

7)Islamic groups in India, Thailand, Burma, and the Phillipines would continue thier civil wars with full Iranian backing.

8)Europe would be within range of Iranian ICBMS. Yes, ICBMs. This technology is already out there, and the Chicoms would give them what they need. Within a decade or less, the US would again be threatened by ICBMS- both from Korea and Iran.

9)The Zionist Question would finally come to a head. Iran would never allow Isreal to exist. Whether Isreal defends itself through pre-emption is difficult to say. Boxed in between Hamas and Hezbollah, and with a nuclear Iran next door, Isreal may take thier defense into thier own hands.

10)Europe would see continued low intensity terror attacks within its own borders. With each passing year, Europe becomes less and less of a force as 90 million Boomers approach 65. In places like London, Helsinki, Amsterdam, and Marsailles, large Islamic populations are already demanding some form of Sharia Laws to replace civil laws. Riots, Gaza styled suicide bombers, and demands for self determination will force Europeans to cede more and more power to the Imans in many cities. If Europe acts to protect its interests overseas, the Imans in Europe will issue Fatwas. Iran will likely be behind most of these Fatwas and calls for Jihads in Europe. The threat of nukes from Iran as well as riots and unrest at home will likely neutralize Europe.

With over 100,000 Muslim immigrants coming here every year(Congress doesn't have quotas on relgions, but it does have it on nationalities; Last year 95,000 arabs came here), we can expect the same here. Iran will likely call the shots, and places like Dearborn Mich and Hurst Texas will become little Gazas. The threat of a nuclear Iran will cause many liberals to want to negociate "A Peace Plan".

Welcome to a nuclear Iran

Yeah JP, we got some rough times ahead..
We are setting our children up to fight a war that will make WW2 look like a mere disagreement between friends, and on top of that we are raising them to be fat and lazy. Oops. lol

Baby boomers gift to their grandchildren? WW3 and trillions of dollars in debt. They should feel proud, huh? They said they'd change the world, and they did. ;)

I don't really see how we can
actually keep nuclear weapons ou of Iranian hands. The best we can do is delay them through airstrikes...and that does present a whole different package of problems. If Ahmadinejad and the Mullahs do procure nukes in the near future, I see some sort of confrontation with Israel resulting. My gut feeling is that there is about a 50/50 chance of nukes being used on both sides, with some us and possibly others being drawn in if they are used. Israel has retained a first and second strike capability with its Jericho missiles and Dolphin class submarines. I HOPE that the Iranians are sane enough to avoid a doomsday scenario, but as more countries get "the bomb", the greater the liklihood that someone will actually use it.

isolationism
It sure worked for Israel right?

They marched their own citizens out of contested Gaza and within DAYS rockets were coming down on Israel.

Hey maybe we should listen to the head-in-the-sand foreign policy 'experts' though(who always seem to confuse conservatism/liberalism with foreign affairs). When Irans pres says he would gladly sacrifice half of Irans populace to destroy Israel, he is probably just kidding. But if he is not, is there any doubt he would hand a nuke off to Al-Queda?

This is Israel's Job
Iran has made threats against Israel existence. Israel is directly threatened by a nuclear Iran so Israel should act preemptively.

The President was correct when he said action was required in Iraq because all diplomatic means had been exhausted. All diplomatic means have not been exhausted with Iran, so the US has no reason to act militarily against Iran. I am not persuaded that the US must act because Iran may give technology to terrorist.

Pakistan already has nuclear technology and its intelligence forces have acted with terrorists in the past. Of course, Russia and North Korea have also been willing to sell technology to terrorist and terrorist supporting states so killing Iranians may not stop terrorists from acquiring nuclear technology.

Iran should only be attacked by the US if they are perceived as a threat to the US. Iran is not a military threat to the US with or with nuclear weapons. That is not to say they might not attack the US and inflict casualties, but if attacked the US can retaliated with overwhelming force. Iran knows that, and that should serve as sufficient deterrent effect.

The US in not the world's police force countries need to act in their own interest. Israel and Europe are certainly more threatened by a nuclear Iran then the US. Israel and Europe should act in their own interest. Just as Japan and South Korea are more, threaten by North Korea then the US. The US should be supportive of European, Japanese and Israeli actions, but the US should not act for them.

what fallen oil prices tell us
Petroleum and gas traders are among the best informed on ME matters. That they have folded their speculative oil cards signals `no U.S. war on Iran.'
Buchanan is not needed: there is no political consensus in the U.S. for an attack on Iran. In fact, North Korea is more likely to test a bomb soon than can the Persians. The consequence of that will likely be a nuclear-armed Japan.

ApolloSpeaks makes some good points..
The current regime in Iran is gradually asphixiating the country, economically. Despite
the revenue from high crude oil, they still have
to import gasoline and natural gas. Iran's petroleum industry has not made the investments
necessary to provide the oil refining capacity and natural gas production. The prices of these
commodities along with food, are heavily subsidized to keep the domestic population happy.
Unemployment is estimated to be at least 20%, and quite possibly as high 30%. This is among
a population where the average age is under 30.
Those that are in contact with Iranain exiles in the states are well aware of how much better things are in the U.S.

Apollospeaks correctly points out the cost of
Iran's committment to funding it's proxy wars.
They provide the funding to Hezbollah and the
rebuilding of Hezbollah's strongholds in Lebanon.
This is taking place while areas of Iran have never been restored from previous earthquakes.

2 fast comments & 1 answer for jerabaub
1- Ah, the people WAS consulted, Bush won, something this president-wannabe forgets...

2- "Leader" means lead...and not necessarily by committee.

3- As for Jerabaub's "who appointed us keepers of nukes?"...we did...haven't you heard? To the victor goes the spoils. And aren't you glad...just because some people have nukes doesn't mean the world should let insane people have them. There is a huge difference between being "fair" and being plain stupid...letting crazy sexist people who want to put half the population in burkas and whose idea of honor is killing the rape victim, absolutely falls into the latter.

Notwithstanding all of the above.
Russia lurks and smirks
as others do the dirty works,
China lies and looks sly
as others sons march to die,

The "evil money cult" now owning
the U.S. Senate wants no votes
that reduce the income flow.

Standing within our Senate unpunished Lt. Kerry a traitor within lears and smeers at his peers as no other has, and still yet near by sits a Senator who signed his unworthy new improved false discharge.

Congress,, Congress, they had to face the music of unelection before they could lie and cheat and act like they cared the borders were over run by drugs, killers and ones of terror, for whom do they take a moment of care other than the doner list in the phone bank answering system in the outer offices.

Clear and present danger is all that can be seen by those with eyes, yet on it goes this unmerrygoround of lies and fraud,, go ye Americans take back the reins of power before you have not one ounce of power left to use.

tfk


Let's talk - You start.
Pat, you started your article with a famous quote:

" 'To jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war.'
So Winston Churchill is widely quoted. "

To 'jaw-jaw' is fine when under direct military threat from a potentially stronger and more aggressive power. Sometimes there's no other choice. But talking doesn't always work in the end, especially for the British:

"Neville Chamberlain is perhaps the most ill-regarded British Prime Minister of the 20th century, largely because of his policy of appeasement towards Nazi Germany regarding the abandonment of Czechoslovakia to Hitler at Munich in 1938."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain

And in the case today of Iran, they have already flagrantly violated international law with regards to nuclear disclosures. They have evicted the world's nuclear police force. They are now threatening military destruction of other countries. They are exporting terrorism and helping destroy Lebanon and Iraq without needing nuclear weapons. So exactly what is it that Iran wants to talk about?



Translation of Pat's Article:
"Let Iran go nuclear, let it go unchecked at its underground enrichment labs, let it stock up and point Shahab 5 missles at Israel, let it develop what it wants because I hate Israel and hate Jews, let Iran develop what it wants while it openly displays its intent to destroy Israel...it's no skin off my teeth."

Pat's soft on Islamofascism. He writes about the Islamocization of Western values in Europe but doesn't care if Iran goes nuclear while wearing its intentions on its sleeve.

Choke on your vomit, Pat.

The UN Will Save Us
The military is not the answer in Iran. We should ask the UN Security Council to get involved and pass a mandate. We could also build a multinational coalition with the French, Germans and Russians to threaten sanctions and boycotts on Iran. If that doesn’t work, we could offer to build and provide Iran some free modern nuclear reactors (the safe kind) if they promise to stop building nukes. If Iran doesn’t………..

Wait, I’m going to throw up. I wanted to play “liberal for a day”, but my stomach wouldn’t let me finish. It’s strange - I could actually hear hippie spirits chanting in my head while I was typing.

Oh, please
Mr. Buchanan,

Iran has not attacked anyone since its '79 Revolution. Are you kidding me!!?? How can someone so intelligent be so gosh-dang absurd? I think it is willful ignorance on your part to forget about the numerous acts of terror and sabotage during the 80s, 90s, and 2000s, any act which during more sane times constituted an act of war on Iran's part. Do you remember Reagan ordering the evacuation of the Iranian oil platform before shelling it to oblivion? I know you do. Why did he order that, Mr. Buchanan? He could have attacked them militarily in response, but chose the more palatable option--probably because of the Democratically controlled Houses. The West's weakness and unwillingness to outright confront Iran over their actions (also called real politique and appeasement) should not be confused with their not atacking anyone in a way deserving of war. You should know better.

Commander and Chief
I'm confused by all the comments on Iran.

Buchanan just proposed congressional oversight on Presidential decisions regarding his Commander and Chief responsibilities.

The answer is a simple no. The President must decide what action is appropriate based on the information available. Monday morning quarterbacking, or diluting Presidential authority because you may not be happy with the current Commander & Chief's philosophy is not a viable option.

Congress can do what ever they like. Recommend war, recommend no war, but the final decision is the Presidents.

The check and balance is the Presidential Election.


Mr Chamberlain, you are at it again...
The world would have been better off if Russia and China did not have nuclear weapons to back up them up in spreadin their perverted ideologies throughout the world - I am surprised that you, Mr. Buchanan, fail to see that.

The Irainan regime is driven by the much more militant and dangerous ideology - that of militant Islam, that deems both you and me "infidels" (unless you have secretly converted to Islam - reading your argument, I am beginning to believe that you did). You might suffer from the delusion that Islam's goal is to wipe out Israel, and perhaps restore the Caliphate to its medieval size, just as Germany in 1930s wanted to restore itself to its former size. Well, Mr. B, only a fool does not learn from past mistakes.

Remember, that in the eyes of the Jihadists, Israel is the "little evil", and the US is the "big one". American people will all be a lot safer if Iran does not have a nuclear swort to swing while telling us to accept the teachings of the prophet.


IVES is not correct
Congress has the war making power, not the President. The President can defend the nation, of course when we are directly attacked, and he can engage in short term situations (90 days, I believe). But he cannot go to war without authorization from congress.

Probably frustrating for him.

N. Korea
Well, Pat, Bush has already failed on North Korea. All signs point to them having the bomb.

And that failure may or may not have happened during the Bush presidency.

MR. BUCHANAN CONSULT AMERICA
WE DIDN'T ELECT PRESIDENT BUSH SO HE COULD TAKE A POLL EVERYTIME HE SEES A THREAT TO OUR COUNTRY. THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF SHOLD DO WHAT HE FEELS IS CORRECT BASED UPON THE KNOWLEDGE AT HAND, AND THE TREAT ASSESSMENT TO THE U.S. WOULD YO RTHER HE WAIT UNTIL THE NUCLEAR DEVICE IS DETONATED AND THEN RESPOND BY HOOTING A MISLLE AT AN ASPIRIN FACTORY. TO THE DEVIL WITH POLLS AND POPULARITY. HE MUST DO WHAT I BEST FOR OUR COUNTRY. YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN A PRIEST. GWW

MR. BUCHANAN CONSULT AMERICA
WE DIDN'T ELECT PRESIDENT BUSH SO HE COULD TAKE A POLL EVERYTIME HE SEES A THREAT TO OUR COUNTRY. THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF SHOLD DO WHAT HE FEELS IS CORRECT BASED UPON THE KNOWLEDGE AT HAND, AND THE TREAT ASSESSMENT TO THE U.S. WOULD YOU RATHER HE WAIT UNTIL THE NUCLEAR DEVICE IS DETONATED AND THEN RESPOND BY SHOOTING A MISLLE AT AN ASPIRIN FACTORY. TO THE DEVIL WITH POLLS AND POPULARITY. HE MUST DO WHAT IS BEST FOR OUR COUNTRY. YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN A PRIEST. GWW

Iran -- War?
Oh please. Of course War is a bad option but what would you prefer? We all sit in the closet with Tom Cruise and hope the Church of Scientology comes up with a non agressive solution? $200 a barrel oil will not happen. Nothing galvanizes America better than a threat to our way of life. We will all walk or -- MAYBE we will find an alternative, once the heat is on. (I'll bet there would be a sudden "Find" of oil if any of this come to pass.)

Tom Cruise better not be in my closet
Pat is correct that we must verify the status of Iran's nuclear program. He is also correct that the American people, through our elected reps, should and will make this decision ultimately. However, Pat is so outspokenly against the president and the war in Iraq that it is hard to take him seriously. Using Churchill quotes is ridiculous because he had more guts in his stiff upper lip than Patrick has in his entire body. Suggesting that Bush will go to war for no other reason than to "save his legacy" is pathetic and childish and shows Pat's inability to recognize what is really going on. Bush has done what he feels is right from day one, reagrdless of legacy or popular opinion. That much everyone would have to agree on.

History Repeats...
History repeats. For those of you not familiar with the subject of ancient Middle Eastern history, guess what? We have been down this road before. The ME nearly annihilated itself in the past, bombing itself back to the stone-age in what is considered to be pre-historic times. Ancient Hindu texts tell of the war that nearly destroyed mankind, as do ancient Mesopotamian texts. The flying machines, the bombs, the radiation sickness -- its all there, if you chose to study the history. So, nothing has changed after we crawled back from the brink of extinction and now, once again, can bomb ourselves back to the stone-age.

I note that some describe the president of Iran as an apocalyptic (the 12th Imam and all) nut-job running that country. Well, I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, but, there is a born-again, apocalyptic sitting in our White House, too. And he ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer, either. What does Bush want? MEFTA, the Middle East Free Trade Area -- NAFTA for the Middle East -- as if NAFTA has been such a swimming success for We the People, the citizens of the USA. Heck, if I lived in Iran and I knew what Bush & Co. had planned for my country, I'd be looking to get nukes, too -- just to ward off the Globalists and foil their plots (like the dictator in North Korea is currently doing).

For those of you who remember recent history, we had an ideal opening in which to deal with Iran and Bush blew it -- "Big Time!" -- to quote his VP. Any of you Bush apologists remember right after 9/11 when most all of the world was with us? Remember when we were kicking Mullah-butt out of Afghanistan? Remember what was going on in Iran at the time? Well, for those of you with short or convenient memories, the Iranian people had taken to the streets begging for the US to come and relieve them of their Mullahs, too. And, the Iranian Mullahs were quaking in their boots with fear that we would chase the Taliban and Al Qaeda right into Iran and topple their regime along the way. That would have been the way Patton would have handled the situation, but Georgie Bush is no Georgie Patton. No! Bush chose to ignore the Iranian people and, instead, get a little personal revenge on the Husseins for threatening his Poppy -- playing Hatfields and McCoys on our dime, with our blood, at the expense of the entire world. Great plan, see how well it worked? And, to make matters worse, Osama had predicted it! Thus, making himself look smart and us look stupid by comparison.

So, here we are on the verge of bombing ourselves back to the stone-age, again, probably around the time the Mayan calendar runs out on this current Age of Man, in 2012. And, all because we have failed to learn the lessons of the past. We failed to recognize what continues to drive us toward destruction, the mantra of our elite handlers (who handle us oh, so, well) -- "The greed of the few outweighs the security needs of the many." So long as those who adhere to this mantra control us, we are destined to self-destruction and annihilation, be they Republicans or Democrats -- because they both parties march to the sound of the same insane drummer.

Pat's Point
"The Congress shal have Power to . . . declare War . . . ." The Constitution of the United States, Article I, Section 8

I would say another way,, Tasha Tchin.
Bomb first, bomb best, chose to bomb clean, and complete, then you win they are gone, you write History the way you want, end of story if written this way.

George Allen
I'm all for George Allen for president in '08. My research shows that he would be the first conservative, born-again Christian Jewish African-American president in our history, and he's becoming a new minority every week it seems. I just hope he doesn't turn out to be gay.

Old stuff
Lydia writes: It is the culture destroying immigrants who are the problem: both legal and illegal.

Boy, now that's an oldie but a goodie. I haven't heard that old "culture destroying" line since I read Mein Kampf in high school.
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