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Friday, September 01, 2006
Pat Buchanan :: Townhall.com Columnist
Islamo-Fascism?
by Pat Buchanan
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"President Likens Dewey to Hitler as Fascist Tool."

So ran the New York Times headline on Oct. 26, 1948, after what Dewey biographer Richard Norton Smith called a "particularly vitriolic attack in Chicago" by Harry Truman.

What brings this to mind is President Bush's assertion that we are "at war with Islamic fascism" and "Islamo-fascism."

After the transatlantic bomb plot was smashed, Bush said the plotters "try to spread their jihadist message I call -- it's totalitarian in nature, Islamic radicalism -- Islamic fascism; they try to spread it, as well, by taking the attack to those of us who love freedom."

What is wrong with the term Islamo-fascism?

First, there is no consensus as to what "fascism" even means. Orwell said when someone calls Smith a fascist, what he means is, "I hate Smith. " By calling Smith a fascist, you force Smith to deny he's a sympathizer of Hitler and Mussolini.

As a concept, writes Arnold Beichman of Hoover Institution, "fascism ... has no intellectual basis at all nor did its founders even pretend to have any. Hitler's ravings in 'Mein Kampf' ... Mussolini's boastful balcony speeches, all of these can be described, in the words of Roger Scruton, as an 'amalgam of disparate conceptions.'"

Richard Pipes considers Stalinism and Hilterism to be siblings of the same birth mother: "Bolshevism and fascism were heresies of socialism."

Since the 1930s, "fascist" has been a term of hate and abuse used by the Left against the Right, as in the Harry Truman campaign. In 1964, Martin Luther King Jr. claimed to see in the Goldwater campaign "dangerous signs of Hitlerism." Twin the words, "Reagan, fascism" in Google and 1,800,000 references pop up.

Unsurprisingly, it is neoconservatives, whose roots are in the Trotskyist-Social Democratic Left, who are promoting use of the term. Their goal is to have Bush stuff al-Qaida, Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria and Iran into the same "Islamo-fascist" kill box, then let SAC do the rest.

But the term represents the same lazy, shallow thinking that got us into Iraq, where Americans were persuaded that by dumping over Saddam, we were avenging 9-11.

But Saddam was about as devout a practitioner of Islam as his hero Stalin was of the Russian Orthodox faith. Saddam was into booze, mistresses, movies, monuments, palaces and dynasty. Bin Laden loathed him and volunteered to fight him in 1991, if Saudi Arabia would only not bring the Americans in to do the fighting Islamic warriors ought to be doing themselves.

And whatever "Islamo-fascism" means, Syria surely is not it. It is a secular dictatorship Bush I bribed into becoming an ally in the Gulf War. The Muslim Brotherhood is outlawed in Syria. In 1982, Hafez al-Assad perpetrated a massacre of the Brotherhood in the city of Hama that was awesome in its magnitude and horror.

As with Khadafi, whom Bush let out of the penalty box after he agreed to pay $10 million to the family of each victim of Pan Am 103 and give up his nuclear program, America can deal with Syria, as Israel did after the Yom Kippur War -- for an armistice on the Golan that has stuck, as both sides have kept the deal.

America faces a variety of adversaries, enemies and evils. But the Bombs-Away Caucus, as Iraq and Lebanon reveal, does not always have the right formula. Al-Qaida, Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria and Iran all present separate challenges calling forth different responses.

Al-Qaida appears to exist for one purpose: Plot and perpetrate mass murder to terrorize Americans and Europeans into getting out of the Islamic world. Contrary to what Bush believes, the 9-11 killers and London and Madrid bombers were not out to repeal the Bill of Rights, if any ever read it. They are out to kill us, and we have to get them first.

Hamas and Hezbollah have used terrorism, but, like Begin's Irgun and Mandela's ANC, they have social and political agendas that require state power to implement. And once a guerrilla-terrorist movement takes over a state, it acquires state assets and interests that are then vulnerable to U.S. military and economic power.

Why did the Ayatollah let the American hostages go, as Reagan raised his right hand to take the oath of office? Why did Syria not rush to the rescue of Hezbollah? What did Ahmadinejad not rocket Tel Aviv in solidarity with his embattled allies in Lebanon? Res ipse loquitor. The thing speaks for itself. They don't want war with Israel, and they don't want war with the United States.

"Islamo-fascism" should be jettisoned from Bush's vocabulary. It yokes the faith of a billion people with an odious ideology. Imagine how Christians would have reacted, had FDR taken to declaring Franco's Spain and Mussolini's Italy "Christo-fascist."

If Bush does not want a war of civilizations, he will drop these propaganda terms that are designed to inflame passions rather than inform the public of the nature of the war we are in, and the war we are not in.

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Just WHAT would you call it?
When 100% of the people doing the bombings and plane hijackings are Islamic - THAT HAS TO BE PART OF THE TERM.


Oh, Fer Petes Sake, Pat!!!
Alright, let's take it from the top...AGAIN. These are the characteristics of fascism:

1. Fascism is ALWAYS a reactionary response to perceived cultural decadence and moral decline.

2. Fascism fixates on an exterior minority group that can be scapegoated for current problems.

3. Fascism promotes the idea of a mythic, glorious "Golden Age" ih the past that can be re-attained by dis-enfranchising... cleansing... exterminating the scapegoats.

4. Fascism tolerates no other point of view, because the Party, the State and the Church tend to be the same entity. This is especially pronounced in Islam-fascism, where critisism of the Party/State apparatus becomes punishable apostasy or heresy.

5. Fascism promotes the idea of perpetual victemhood, thereby justifying retaliatory aggression. The Nazi party in particular made good use of this strategy to propagandize the German people, and we see it again used by Islamo-fascism to justify continued attacks against Israel and the West.

Given these easily recognizable traits, the parallels between National-Socialism, Mussolini's Fascisti, and the Islamist movement today seem inescapable. I believe an exellent case can be made to classify Islamism as a neo-fascist movement. Pat's comments to the contrary, this is not a case of name-calling for the sake of propaganda, as his example of Orwell's "I hate Smith". If we cannot even properly identify the enemy or concede his nature, then how are we to fight? This isn't rocket science. We can see who they are, and we know the political catagory they fall into: fascism.

You should talk Pat
From the hundreds of anti-Semitic comments you have made over the years, I sincerely thought you would consider Facism to be a positive term.




What Islamo-Fascists Have in Common
Above all else, Islamo-Fascists murder men, women and children as a form of political expression. The history of this behavior begins with Mohammad and has continued to this day.

In the past year, Thailand and India have both suffered horrific acts of murder in the name of Islam. What has either of those countries done to warrant this resentment?

Muslims in France, England, the US, Spain, etc. have all expressed the desire to live under Sharia.

In just the last month, a Muslim in Seattle murdered and wounded Jewish women. Another Muslim this past week went on a murderous rampage in San Francisco, near a Jewish community center.

Of course, the Islamic murderers will not stop with killing we infidels. They are just as happy to murder other Muslims, including their own mothers, daughters, and sisters.

Pat, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, maybe just maybe it's a darn duck.

Why We Went to Iraq
Pat, men of good conscience can disagree over both the rationale for going to war or our approach to operations on the ground.

But let's not lie about it.

Bush went to war with Iraq for many reasons.

1. He thought Saddam and WDM (as did most countries) that he would use against American interests

2. Saddam had reached out to terrorists whom he might use as proxies to deliver WMD

3. Saddam subsidized terrorism in Israel.

4. Iraq represented a strategic geography for anchoring a force that could strike other state sponsors of terror, including Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia.

5. By establishing a democracy in the Islamic world, Bush hoped that he could foster a more peaceful partnership with the Islamic world.

6. Saddam had a long, well-documented history of murdering people. He killed hundreds of thousands of his own country men, often in the most horrific fashion. (For example, he like to make a man watch the tire of a car crush the head of the man's daughter). Saddam killed over a million Iranians. He attacked and looted Kuwait.

Personally, I don't think Islam is worth the sacrifice of our blood and treasure. But I refuse to lie about the reasons we went to war in order to rationalize my point of view.

Right on again
I am reading all these postings by other columnists and wondering why don't they see what you see! Mr. Buchanon, you are right on again.

We need cool heads that can sort it out and find ways to create harmony in this chaotic world. Unfortunately, President Bush seems to be only listening to the demagogues who are fueling the fire of terrorism with their inflammatory rhetoric.

Dear Hasan...
You utter hogwash.

Terrorists Have Named Themselves
With the terrorists using all sorts of Islamic names for themselves (their groups), and using the terms Infidels and Allah Akbar, what other term is more appropriate than Islamo-Fascists?
Come up with something better, or shut up on this.

Islamo-fascism - I think use was great
Pat: I think the use of the Islamo-fascism term at last recognizes that our enemy is not an amorphous terrorist but a segment of Islam (maybe a bigger segment that is thought). In general, it helps to define who you are at war with. My understanding of fascism is a movement where all aspects of life are controlled by the government. I think that applies.

I use to look forward to reading your opinions. It seems to me that you are somehow slipping. Maybe you and Al Gore ought to get together and talk about the good ole days when you were taken seriously by serious readers.

Pat's Mistake
He compared Christianity to Islam. Both sides of that coin would agree that they are incomparable. If Muslims are offended that Bush linked their religion with fascism, then they should stop calling Jews the sons of apes and pigs and start condemning the Islamofascists for going around killing people. But they can't do that and be religious, because jihad is doctrine.

Let's coin a new term for them
How about "Jihadi Shari-ists"? This specifically identifies our enemy as war-waging supporters of Sharia and would exlude any Islamists or Muslims who do not believe in waging war to establish Sharia (although maybe "Shari-ists" would be better since we still need to consider, albeit with less urgency, those Muslims who silently cheer on the jihadis in the pursuit of the establishment of Sharia). I'd be interested to see if CAIR, et al, would support such a term and if not, why not.

The term was coined by A MUSLIM SCHOLAR
I invite everyone to google Khalid Duran.

He coined the phrase in 1990. It sure as Hell is not something the 'neocons' came up with.

If a lifelong scholar of his OWN faith can come to this conclusion- 16 years ago- what does that tell you about the state of islam?

It is what it is, Pat.
Have to disagree with Pat on this one. It never made sense for President Bush to refer to this as a war on "terror". As we know, terror is simply a tactic. Bush is correct now in using the term "Islamofascism", although he only belatedly began using the term.
The U.S. and Western world will never defeat Islamofascism without substantial cooperation from the Muslim world itself. But I'm wondering if the socalled moderates within the Muslim world will EVER rise up and expunge this extremism from their midst...the operating(optimistic)assumption being that they do not at heart support the extremists. Perhaps I am a bit naive. However, it was heartening to have read it was a member of the Muslim community in Great Britain who originally tipped off the authorities of the recent plot to blow up airliners over the Atlantic. If that report is accurate, perhaps there is a small, miniscule sliver of light in this forboding and dark world afterall. At any rate, with many 2nd and 3rd generation of Muslims in Britain, France, Netherlands, etc. openly rejecting Western concepts of tolerance, and advocating imposition of strict Sharia law even in Europe, why would anyone think this movement would EVER simply be satisfied with expelling the U.S. and west from "sacred" Muslim soil in the mideast?

Dont forget Rugged
Don't forget to add to your list

- 17 UN resolutions that were ignored by good ol Saddam
- UN resolution 1551

I was surprised that the President does not remind the public that we were also enforcing UN resolutions when no one else will.

Islamo-Fascism?
Ok Pat, I'll quit calling them facists and start calling them Islamicriminals, or Islamo*s*c*u*m, or maybe, ... ahhh!, Who Cares!, if you stop saying we "... represent the same lazy, shallow thinking that got us into Iraq, where Americans were persuaded that by dumping over Saddam, we were avenging 9-11 ..." Hogwash!

By the way your age is showing. SAC hasn't existed for many years.

Islamo*s*c*u*m?? you ask? The system wouldn't allow me to post the word without the ****.

Pat, what's wrong with you?
I am beginning to believe that your brain is malfunctioning. For those reading this, please understand that I'm not criticizing pat. I really think something is wrong. I used to have a lot of respect for his opinions. But lately he seems to be all over the place. Like manic-depressive mood swings. You don't know what to expect.

How can he be so right regarding illegal immigration and boarder security. Accepting no debate or those who would appease the intrusion in one column. Then in this column attempts to denounce the expression Islamo-Fascists as unfair. Then he goes into a long diatribe to appease those of us who take a hard line on Islam. Where is his thinking?

Instead of seeing clearly the enemy for what it is. Islam a murderous cult. He attempts make us understand them as a Liberal tries. By breaking down Islam down into segments, and then the segments into segments he suggests that these various sections are innocent from Islamic actions, when they are in fact, Islamic nut cases!

So what is it with Pat? Is his hatred for Bush and Jews such that he goes off the deep end. Sure looks that way to me.

Too late to cut a deal?
The term fascist is not correct when applied to Muslims. The term is Italian and was used to describe a bundle of sticks (like firewood) tied together. We had a picture of this on the back of our old dimes. The bundle of wood had a small hatchet sticking out. This was a picture of a fascia.

The image was supposed to show the benefit of collectivism. Fascism was just one of the many socialist movements in the early part of the 20th century. The left has gone to great lengths in political revisionism to tar conservatives with the label “fascist”. However, historically the battle between fascists and communists was just between two flavors of collectivism.

While Muslims may use some tactics familiar to the communists, such as using civilians a shields and getting the local authorities to over react and then blaming the government for violence, they have nothing in common with the political objectives of communists (who can more accurately be called fascists).

Calling Muslims fascists is like calling Genghis Kahn a fascist. Islam is about surrender. It has always been done at the point of a sword. Islam has always been about conquest. It is evil, and when we paint it as a “religion of peace” our lies and delusions only serve to make us less able to defend ourselves. The use of the term fascist imparts unwarranted components of political and economic legitimacy that help disguise a religious war.

We are in a war of cultures. Islam is fighting against the religion of secularism in Europe and attempting to destroy an America that is already engaged in a civil war between secularism and Christianity. In this regard the position of America is similar to China when war broke out with Japan.

Pat tries to cool down the rhetoric in an attempt to make us more able to deal with the insanity intrinsic to Islam. This may have been possible when the many tyrants (like Saddam) had control of this religion throughout the various regions of the Middle East. Now that we have helped to upset the apple cart, it should be apparent that the days of being able to “cut a deal” with a petty leader are over. We have accelerated to a much more dangerous level.

Timf, read Celt's...
...first post. That says it about as well it can be said!

And your whole post raises points that have nothing really to do with the topic at hand. We are not describing a "bundle of sticks tied together", we are talking about a particular philosophy of government.

Communism and facism differ in that communism seeks to eliminate religion and creating a stateless society that is administered by a single party. Fascism advocates extreme nationalism and racial (in this case religious) superiority, a centralized dictatorial regime, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition. What part of facism does Islam NOT closely resemble?

I fear that you do, and Pat, a do not understand what facism is and refuse to reognize it when you see it. If the fact that they are not Italian means that Iran's regime (or saudi's for that matter) is not facist, then I suppose that China isn't communist because they aren't Russian!

The time for nice words and hoping that the crocodile eats you last are gone! We don't need to worry about the heat of the rhetoric, we need to worry abot how much military heat can be brought to bear on our enemies!

So timf, you and Pat can go live in that perfect little world that exists only in your head...we'll live in the real world and take care of the real problems that exist so you are safe to draem your silly little dreams!

Mr. Buchanan!
Whose side are you on?

The dictionary definition of fascism is as follows:

1. Often capitalized: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascist)that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

2. a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control


If the Islamic doctrine currently being preached by the Imams of the world don't fit this definition perfectly, please explain to us in what way?

They preach that race, religion, and their way of life is the only way of life.

They preach that as a good Muslim, the sure-fire way for you to reach Heaven is to kill anyone that isn't a part of your religion, and race (infidels.)

That mush-headed president of Iran is wanting to brand Christians, and "non-believers" in his country in the same fashion as Nazi Germany, and conduct a modern day ehtnic cleansing of the entire region.

You should really wake up, and possibly get a firm grip on today's reality. It appears you don't have that at the moment.


semantical silliness

Call them anything you want, Pat--as long as you remember an old ARAB proverb: the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER
What you call them, (and Pat you have never been politically correct a day in your life) THEY JUST NEED TO GO.. VIA A BIG MUSHROOM CLOUD!
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Heads Need To Roll

War by any name
Mr. Buchannan writes -
"If Bush does not want a war of civilizations,...". He. like many others, does not appear to realize that we are already involved in a war for the survival of western civilization.

Pat vs Bush
Pat's problem on this issue isthat like the liberals he thinks that everything Bush does is wrong. While Bush has made many mistakes (not securing our borders, expanding government) The war on Islamo fascists is not one of them. Just as WWII was fought on many fronts and most of it in countries other than the ones who started it, so this war must be fought. You start where your enemy is weakest to gain territory to stage your forces so you can move on to where he is stronger untill you have finally defeated him. My only complaint with the war is it has not been prosicuted vigorously enough.

Islamo-Fascist
Islamo-Fascist is the best term we are going to be able to come up with using 20th century words to describe a 21st century sickness.

Even in the dark ages, Islamists fought as recognizable nation-states who could be defeated by conventional war. The development of independant suicidal terror cells animated by a worldwide death -cult operating under the protection of a recognized religion is a new phenonemen that our language has not had time to deal with yet.

Islamo-Fascism will have to do until we come up with something better.

Goshawk may have a point
Mr Buchanan seems to be all over the place. And no place. It's like he can't make up his mind. (Except about Jews.)

Perhaps suffering the same sickness as Ariel Sharon? Remember how he went 'batty?' Even allies started to notice...

Now we are noticing Pats decline into ....

Bush is NOT a conservative.
And anyone who thinks he is simply needs to examine his spending and immigration policies among others(including his No-Child-Left-Behind hogwash(written with Ted Kennedy). On "No Child..", the only redeeming quality is at least some slight appreciation for the need for testing. I generally side with Bush on the issue of terrorism.
I readily concede Pat Buchanan is wrong on his apparent p.c. fixation in refusing to call a "spade a spade", i.e., what radical Islamists really are...Islamofascists. But, I think Buchanan makes many cogent points generally in his criticism of Bush's failure to pursue conservative principles. Indeed, Bush's "gut reaction" in a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to change the direction of the U.S. Supreme Court was to nominate Harriet Miers. Enough said.

Why the concern?
Most troubling to me about Pat's writings on Islam is that he seems intent on defending their faith qua faith...meaning that simply because they are "great" religion of a billion adherents, they are worthy of protection from being linked to the "odious ideology" of fascism. It seems that Pat defends Islam as a faith because he envies their fanatical devotion to it, a devotion he sees sorely lacking in the lamebrain theology that passes for Christianity in America. Pat, why the concern for Islam? Christianity and Islam are entirely incompatible in doctrine and practice- you know this. A war of civilizations is inevitable. I know this, and I'm an atheist.

SPEAKING OF FASCISTS
This is the term looney liberals love to throw around. Just last night liberal holla'back boy Keith Olbermann likened Donald Rumsfeld to BUF founder Oswald Mosley and Norwegian puppet master Vidkun Quisling. In his -Rumsfeld- speech earlier this week, he called these Muslism murderers what they really are, facists. Olbermann, that gutless creep, said that Rumsfeld was showing the height of hypocrisy by calling these murderers fascists while he himself is one. Thus the comparison to the two historical figures above. Olbermann, that slime.
And what exactly is wrong with the term Islamofacist, anyway? That is exactly what they are. Do you see them sending any aid to their own people? Who kicked Saddam out of Kuwait? WE DID.Who intervened on behalf of beleagured Bosnian Serbs? Who protected them? Who fed them? WE DID, THAT'S WHO. Who intervened to feed and protect starving Somali's who were being starved by their own people? WE DID. Who is now sending hundreds of millions of dollars to rebuild Lebanon? WE ARE. These followers of the so-called religion of peace do not send any kind of humanitarian aid to their own. The only aid they send is the means for them to slaughter each other.
So let's cut it out with this high mindedness of not labeling the other billion Muslims with this term, Mr. Buchanan. If they got involved in direct means other than taking the West's money in both petro dollars and other aid, this situation would be resolved very quickly.
Mr. Buchanan, in your article today, you sound somewhat like that slime, Olbermann. It does not become you.
Also, did you hear that slime Olbermann call for the arrest of Ann Coulter for making terroristic threats? In the same broadcast where he compared Rumsfeld to Mosley and Quisling. That slimy hypocrite.

Definition
Below is Websters definition of Fascism.

Fascism

1 : often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

Islamo is only an identifier of the region or general ideology of those wishing to instill fascism. Mr. Buchanan is smarter than he is writing. I don't understand what he is trying to do.

Buchanan seems..
to be worried about hurting the "self-esteem" of muslims. Hey Pat, I know you think of yourself as a "Christian" any thoughts on forced conversions at gunpoint perpetrated by the people whose "feelings" you're so worried about?

A totalitarian by any other name...
...would smell as bad.

Just when Pat starts making sense again, he goes off and writes a column like this one.

OK, so maybe the loose or informal association of foes is not "fascist", by Pat's terminology.

But it is a convenient handle, in this era of sound bites and blogs, and bumper stickers. I think everyone agrees that "Islamofascist" covers the congery of radical, fanatical Muslims and secular Arab nationalists who hate the West, and who make common cause now toward the goal of subjgating us.

Like The Allies in WWII, I think that they have not thought out very carefully what will happen, should they achieve their goal. Of course, Assad in Syria and Saddam Hussein had different long-range goals from Osama bin Laden and the religious fanatics. We didn't anticipate that the Soviets would want to overrun Europe after the war.

But disparate goals among the players does not render the term "Islamofascist" invalid or unusable. Remember, "National Socialist" was neither national nor socialist.

How about "Secular- and religious Arab and Muslim Fanatics," Pat? We can shorten that to SRAMFs, if you like.

merrygoboy:
Here is the Speech you refer to, and saying it sounds like true conservatives if we didn't know King had written it. I beg to differ. If you remove the word God from the speech, it is exactly what Liberals preach today. It's our fault!

"Not only that, it has put us in a position of appearing to the world as an arrogant nation. And here we are 10,000 miles away from home, fighting for the so-called freedom of the (native) people, when we have not even put our own house in order. The judgment of God is upon us today. And we could go right down the line and see that something must be done -- and something must be done quickly. We have alienated ourselves from other nations so we end up morally and politically isolated in the world. There is not a single major ally of the United States of America that would dare send a troop to -- "Vietnam."

Once Again...
Pat is off the mark. What does he mean these people do not want war? Why then fight a proxy war with Israel? Why attempt to generate nuclear power, when they sit on one of the largest pools of oil in the world? Why get up in front of your country and call for the destruction of Israel or the coming caliphate? Why? Because they are Islamo-fascists. Regardless of the definition of fascism, we all know what Bush means when he says it. For all of his citing of history, you'd think Pat would understand what he has learned.

We were attacked before 9/11. Pat forgets this. Iranians kidnapped Americans during the pacivist's 4 years, while the peanut man was busy pushing out the Shah. Obviously, they didn't like Carter either, so this idea that they want us to be friends, but big bad Bush won't play nice is baloney.

Radical Islam is REAL Pat...wake up!!! The religion of peace should be rewritten to the religion of pieces, as in body pieces, that were cut from your flesh due to your resistance to accept Islam as the only true religion. I don't know about you, but I don't like the name Khalid, and my God requires me not to bow down before these false gods.

I think I agree with Pat on many of the domestic issues, especially the border, but he has had his head in the sand for too long when it comes to foreign affairs. Appeasement has NEVER solved anything.

Neo, Schmeo
Pat, don't criticize George Bush for his use of a word that is less obfuscated than some other controversial words like "marriage" and "immigration".

If you need the definition of islamofascist then maybe definition by example will work - Osama bin Laden and Al Zarqawi. Everyone else seems to have figured that one out. The next Zarqawi could come from Lebanon or Syria, or Detroit.

You ask a question as to why the Iranians let American embassy hostages go. If you were still a conservative you would ask why these same Iranians conduct an unprovoked attack on an embassy, then 20 years latter want to "debate"?

Pat, Iran is at war with the United States.

Whatever
The point is that the word "fascism" is not the best label. It was picked by some suits sitting around a White House conference room table because people take it to mean "militant, oppressive, and bad."

The complexities of what the word really means, as evidenced by this discussion itself, shows that maybe it's not the most accurate label.

Now would somebody please put "Islamic Militants" back up on the whiteboard?

Buchanan nodded
The Latin quote toward the end of the article really ought to be "Res ipsa loquitur" (not "res ipse loquitor"). Someone nodded. An ironic, mistake, really, given that this phrase is used in law often to identify mistakes or accidents so obvious that they need no futher demonstration other than simply pointing at them and letting the fact speak for itself.

MUDDLED THINKING
Secular Arab states alligned with those who practice Islamofascism are aiding and abetting those engaged in Islamfascism; therefore, Bush's term is correct.

Hey merrygoboy
I really appreciate your words of encouragement. I don't have a problem of uncovering the truth. But maybe if I follow your advice and research these various characters, I'll discover the difference between right and wrong. It's been so difficult to understand that concept.

Thanks! And I do hope you to have a nice holiday!

Sorry, SteveO...
...but the term "Islamofascism" was in use in the blogosphere at least by the start of 2002. The Bush administration is just now getting around to using the term, something that conservative columnists/bloggers have clamored for for several years.

"Jihadism" and "Jihadistan" entered the language around the same time, I think.

Maybe we'll see a column from William Safire on the origins of these terms.

Islam and Anglicans
"4. Fascism tolerates no other point of view, because the Party, the State and the Church tend to be the same entity. This is especially pronounced in Islam-fascism, where critisism of the Party/State apparatus becomes punishable apostasy or heresy."

From my understanding of a Philosophy of Religion class and Western Civ class, that was built into Islam from the beginning. The Church WAS the State, and was woven through philosophy and daily life to become an encompassing whole. It's a government, social system, and way of life all globbed together.

By the same token, until the Acts of Toleration in Britain were passed, criticism of the Church of England was criticism of the Monarch, and treason, since he/she was the head of the church. That was what bought lots of Puritans and others early deaths at the stake, block, and gallows. I'm not sure that church criticism as treason was much enforced after the Glorious Revolution. Englishmen, comment?

And you wonder why we have the Establishment clause. Look no further.

Jeez
"Islamofascism" has been around since 1990, and it was a Muslim who coined it. Why is everyone stuck on 'neocons' manufacturing it?

A master at work...
Pat Buchanan is a master of telling people they are wrong and such a boob for thinking what they do. He almost never talks about why they are wrong. I disagree with him entirely in this article. I think we must concede that the roots of radical Islam are in the Koran that is the foundation for all Muslims.

NCLBA
"...the only redeeming quality is at least some slight appreciation for the need for testing."

I've heard teachers disparage it as the "No Child Left Untested Act". Thankfully my kids are in a Catholic school.

Islam Is Fascism
The remarks of President George W Bush regarding Islamic Fascists created considerable furor amongst both the Islamo-Nazis and their liberal apologists but any serious student of the Evil ideology known as Islam understand their prescient veracity.

Stephen Morris of Johns Hopkins recently wrote, fascism's goal is to "achieve national greatness" through totalitarian control of both political and social life; it seeks to create an empire; and it "aspires to re-create a mythical past. Islam fits this definition to a tee.

* Islam forbids the fundamental Freedoms of Speech, Press, Religion, Assembly and Petition given by Almighty God
* Islam forbids dispute or any serious discussion of Sharia law on pain of death
* Islam forbids intellectual development and dallies in the mental masturbation of an empire dead for a thousand years

The easiest way to observe this demonic nexus is to compare the foundational Islamic texts with those of the greatest fascist in history - Adolph Hitler, who was a great hero and important allay of Islam.

Qur'ran 004.089 "They wish that you would reject Faith, as they have, and thus be on
the same footing. Do not be friends with them until they leave their homes in
Allah's Cause. But if they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize
them and kill them wherever you find them."

Mein Kampf:426 "The Jew considers all
money transactions as his own privilege, which he exploits ruthlessly.
Manipulating money has become his monopoly-especially his usurious rates of
interest.... It's a sign of open hatred, of his blood-sucking tyranny...a scourge
of God." The Qur'ran agrees: Qur'an 004.160 "For the iniquity of the Jews We made
unlawful for them certain things in that they hindered many from Allah's Way.
They took usury, though they were forbidden; and they devoured men's wealth on
false pretenses."

Mein Kampf:428 "They are God's
chastisement. The Jews have only received a thousandth the reward they deserve
for the sins they have committed. They sold themselves to the Devil and landed
in his domain. They are monsters who torture the beloved people to the point
of despair. The Jew will be punished by Heaven." Qur'an 059.014 "The Jews are
devoid of sense. There is a grievous punishment awaiting them. Satan tells
them not to believe so they will end up in Hell." Ishaq:254/Qur'an 2:96 "We
will not remove a Jew from the punishment. They know the shameful thing that
awaits them." Qur'an 004.055 "Sufficient for the Jew is the Flaming Fire!" The
dark spirit of Islam reports: Qur'an 033.026 "Allah made the Jews leave their
homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And
He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a
country you had not traversed before."

Mein Kampf:432 "Jews twist things to make it appear as though others had
wronged them, not vice versa. Those who are especially stupid believe them and
grant them unwarranted sympathy." Ishaq:264 "A notable Jew spoke to the
Apostle, twisting his tongue. He attacked Islam and reviled it, so Allah sent
down, 'Allah knows best about your enemies. Some of the Jews change words from
their contexts and say: "We hear and disobey," twisting their tongues and
attacking the religion so Allah cursed them.'

Mein Kampf:445 "The Jewish allure is
broken only by terror. The success of such activity is enormous." Qur'an
059.002 "It was Allah who drove the [Jewish] People of the Book from their
homes and into exile. They refused to believe and imagined that their
strongholds would protect them against Allah. But Allah came at them from
where they did not suspect, and filled their hearts with terror. Their homes
were destroyed. So learn a lesson, O men who have eyes. This is My
warning...they shall taste the torment of Fire." Der Prophet calls if fire but
Der Fuhrer called them "crematoriums."

Mein Kampf:446
"The Jew is not the one who is attacked, but the attacker. But he will not
stand for an honest fight and must use lies and calumny. They become the
personification of the Devil, the symbol of all evil." Ishaq:240 "The Jews are
a nation of liars.... The Jews are a treacherous, lying, and evil people."
Qur'an 059.014 "They will not fight against you save in fortified townships,
or from behind walls. Their hostility and hatred amongst themselves is strong:
you would think they were united, but their hearts they are divided. That is
because these [Jews] are a people devoid of sense."

Mein Kampf:447 "The Jews
slyly dupe the stupid goyim into creating a Palestinian State. But they have
no intention of building a Jewish state, so that they might inhabit it. They
only want a refuge for convicted rascals, international cheating, and a high
school for future rogues." Ishaq:245 "Do you love Jews and their religion, you
liver-hearted ass, and not Muhammad? Their religion will never march with
ours.... Jews make false professions about Islam. So Allah sent down: 'Satan
wishes to lead them astray." Ishaq:248 "Allah increases their sickness. A
tormented doom awaits the Jews. Allah said, 'They are mischief makers. They
are fools. The Jews deny the truth and contradict what the Apostle has
brought. I will mock them and let them continue to wander blindly.'" It's not
a very pretty tune.

Mein
Kampf:394 "One would have to wage war in order to arrive at pacifism. The
victory of the pacifistic idea requires the conquest of the world by
Germans-making him the master of the globe." Allah shouted: Qur'an 009.038
"Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth
and fight in Allah's Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of
this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish
you with a painful doom, and put others in your place."


Almighty God has judged the IslamoFascists and condemned them to death.

Praise the Lord and God Bless America,
Zionist/Infidel/Neocon/Crusader/Jew/Kafir
George M Weinert V
http://www.americanvulcan.townhall.com/

Islamofascism vs Repub-Con Fascsim

fas·cism (fshzm) Pronunciation Key
n.
often Fascism

"A system of government characterized by rigid one party dictatorship, stringent socioeconomic controls, forcible suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism, racism and militarism. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government."

Actually, when you think about it, by definition they have a lot in common. The far right-wing conservative movement of the modern republican party IS fascist in its intent and purposes.

Goshawk,
Just read your 8:16 AM post, and I had to agree with you. It seems like every other column I think he's dead-on accurate. The other columns seem like they're written by a different guy. Heard him on Hannity today, and I agreed with everything I heard (didn't catch the whole thing). About the war, he said that even though he and the President didn't agree about going in, he agreed that it would be a calamity if we pulled out now.

Just a note regarding the ones in Power.
This speech here and that speech there were the bad words are used, well could it be the "money cult in Washington" are not about bombing the possible nukes in Iran nor finishing off the mess in Iraq, could it be more misdirection as they do the "am-nasty" they lust for in the Congress and the Senate, this next week or so for getting the American sheeple to look the other way as they do it is not a bad idea at all, and not something we can put past them.

They are very, very worried in Washington about the facts the polls they will not talk about show, the 600,000 faxes and e-mails the congress and senate (little letters by intent) recived of late saying in English not Spanish,, SECURE THE DAM BORDERS NOW, or we will vote you out, plus the number of empty envelopes they get from we Joe Blows with "pesos" in them telling them where to put them ,,, worried about the one thing that gets them all in the gut,, UNELECTION,
so over the wall they lunge to the "am-nasty" vote and soon for if not now could be never, so
they do as they always do, change the subject,and cheat us if they can.

later Pat,
you off all people should know the Bush's play dirty,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

No more Pat
Why is Townhall still carrying Buchanan? Pat has gone so far off the deep end it's hard to agree with him on anything of substance.

The laziness of Islamic Fascism
The reductionistic, propaganda aspect of calling the current Jihadist(my preferred term) threat "islamic fascism" is quite telling. Firstly, there are multiple groups, from both the Arab and Muslim world that certainly mean us hard or oppose our interest on the International Stage.

I'd certianly feel the interest and motivations of Syria are different from Iran are different from Al Qaeda are different from Hamas are different from Hezbollah etc etc. The putting all of this together is hazy, lazy and misleading. As crazy as Ahamdinejad sounds, he is not a. in cahoots with Al-Qaeda, believe the same thing as AQ or have the same goals. AS far as we know, the goals of AQ are to immediatley, remove US influence from the Middle East and in the eternal long run, establish a caliphate resemebling the ummayad or abasids. Of the muslim and arab groups that oppose the US, very few resemble the key tenants of fascism.

To understand fascism, you must see it as a reaction to universalist liberal democracy. All fascists in Europe in the 30s said that liberal democracy was "weak" or not propery repersenting the people. Fascism is anti universalist. Fascism rejects the idea of individuals having inalienable rights on the basis that they are human beings. Fascism instead recognizes the rights of nations, a la Mussolini's Italy or Hitler's Germany. They see nations or "peoples" as the prime political actor and holder of political rights and responsibilites.

This is in stark opposition to the tenants of Islam. CS Lewiw, when picking a religion, said that Catholicism and Islam were his only options, because they were the only two religions who claimed to repersent and offer salvation for ALL HUMAN BEINGS. This means, that any greater Islamist/Jihadist political program (a la AQ) would have to be universalist in nature. Political Jihadist Islam seeks to eliminate and subsume the nation state, thus taking out the key element of fascism. In fact, besides anti semitic hate of jews, Jihadist Islam is oddly racially and nationally diverse, they have no problem accepting white people or westerners into their ideology and organizations. They believe that Allah is everyone's GOd, that we all answer to Allah and that anyone one of us can fight for him. This is the polar opposite of any coherent defintion of fascism. Jihadist islam does not seek to protect the rights of any greater "tribe" or "people" as any fascist would.

The fact that many on the right want to amalgamate all of anti-American Islamic actors as fascist is just sad, and stupid. As shown, even the most extreme Islamist vision can not be called fascsit, in any intellecutally honest or consistent way. THE ONLY PURPOSE in using this new term is in a 1984, Smith-like way as Buchanan alluded to. I hope that we are smart enough to differentiate between threats and the ideologies of our enemies, it is better for the fight against those who want to destroy us if we know who they are

Here we go again
Out of the wood work. Do the critics of Buchannan share a common source?

The same broken record.

Buchanan's pathological antisemitism
By lumping "Begin's" (anti-British-military) "Irgun" in with such mass-murdering terrorist groups as Hamas and Hezbollah and with the convicted lying, looting, thieving terrorist, Mandela's, mass-murdering Marxist ANC and by suggesting that the islamanazis will stop when "Americans and Europeans" get "out of" what he calls "the Islamic world," Buchanan exposes both his pathologically deep-seated antisemitism and his, perhaps willfully, absolute ignorance of islamanazism's aims.

Rather than any longer pretending to being "the faith of "a billion" people, (In fact the ideology by which fewer than 800,000,000 are presently enslaved, operated and controlled) islamanazism's actions of these past 27 years have blown away all of its smoke and smashed all of its mirrors and have at last, thank God, revealed Islam as what it has always been and, to stick with Mr Buchanan's language, still is: but "an odious ideology!"

Mr Buchanan aught adhere to what he knows: criminal-alien-invasion issues; the price of Scotch whiskey and; how to avoid betwetting and handle hangovers.

Yes, he
brings out the meaness in people.

Yet, I've have failed to see it in him.

Pat - The Man Must Be Respected
Buchanan must be respected because you literally would need to have the IQ of rock if you did not recognize him as what he basically says he is: A Jew Hater. That's fine. He has that right. But what he must be respected for is that all the media (MSNBC especially) and even this website allow him to continue to spew his racism as if he is just another pundit. Buchanan knows what most of the other bigots and racists don't know: that you just need to smile and show yourself to be a friend personally to the media powers that be, as well as draw ratings (as most bigots and racists and freak shows do) and you will be welcomed by all. Of course this only works if you are classic Jew hater like Buchanan because other races or religions have enough power to sanction the media outlets, whereas the Jews with barely 15 million worldwide, have no real power, just pretend power. How else could it be explained that an unapologetic classic Anti-semite like Buchanan has so much media access. Like I said, you gotta respect the guy for being clever even if he shameless bigot.

Democrats Hate Individualism
Facism is the Indian word for "Enemy of the eagle!"

The governmental construct is to control ideas, and the means of production in order to achieve centralized goals. Even though it is not a completely centralized economy like comunism, it shares the big government control theme with Comunism and all Democrat Party Liberal schemes.

If 15% of Democrats are NeoCommunistic, then another 15% of Democrats are NeoNazi.

They want a big government semi-dictatorship. After the Democratic party became hostage to big city politics, it turned to European Theory, and became a coffee house party, with Lenins, Trotskys, Stalins, and Hitlers. The Hitlers don't hate jews, they hate Fundamentalist Christians, and Southern Whites.

Pat is right Islamo Fascism only means enemy. Frankly since Pat does not believe in the Holocost, he probably does not believe in the Twin Towers. They never existed. Therefore the muslem warriors are not Islamo Facists, they are our frients. Right Pat?

Call it what you want……
Islamic-fascism / Islamic-fundamentalism / Islamic-extremism / Islamic- radicalism / Islamic-totalitarianism / Islamic-authoritarianism / Islamic-socialism / Islamic-whatever

No matter how you hyphenate it, it all spells the same thing – “Jihadism”. It’s an extreme religious ideology characterized by a need to wage “holy war” against the infidels and to spread Islam around the world. That's a good enough label.

Note: The author must be wanting for subjects to write about. Plus, he’s beginning to sound a lot like a (shudder) liberal apologist: “Ooh! We mustn’t call them names. We might hurt their feelings. Then they won’t like us anymore”. Who cares? I certainly don’t. Nor, I think, do the jihadists. They don’t seem the “touchy-feely” type.

There they are again
Buchannan brings out the nut cases.

Wow

As much as I hate to admit this...
...whenever Pat writes about the war or his opinion of American foreign policy, I lose more and more respect for him. This is sad, because I have been an admirer of his for a good long time and think he's a bright guy and a fine fellow.

Pat's isolationist philosophy was great about a hundred years ago. But since the invention of a nasty little bugger known as the ICBM, it's just not feasible anymore. This idea that we should sit in Fortress America and never give the rest of the world the time of day reveals profound ignorance of how foreign policy should be conducted.

Today we are globalized, our whole world is interconnected. It is not beneficial-in fact, it is detrimental-to hole up inside our country and not get involved in world affairs. To do so invites our destruction. And none of us (except most of the Democrat Party) wants that.

Is survival of r culture desirable Chick
After Rome opened its borders, and its people became homogenized it fell. Globalism killed the Roman Empire.

So will we fall apart, given time.

However Pat must believe that the survival of our culture is desirable, and he therefore wants isolationistic policies.

You and others may not feel that our cultural survival is important. But you should be aware that if a culture is extinguished, history has many examples in which cultural losers also lost their lives. The liberal's delight in dead European males, could be expanded to dead American caucasians.

Pat, you are clueless
Fascism is, as fascism does, which is to take over a society. Those who don't submit (Islam) to their agenda are exterminated

To write such nonsense, and suggest that communism and fascism are not brothers, of the same pagan mother, indicates a fundamental lack of understanding of the phenomena. Paganism birthed yet another bloody brother, Islam. You seem bought the big lie about Islam. it is another monotheistic religion which worships Yahweh (Jehovah).

Allah is not Yahweh. They have a different holy book, the Qu'ran verses the Torah, which has given rise to different legal systems, Sharia verses English Common Law, or Israeli Law. The legal systems have produced quite different civilizations, one are liberal democracies, the other are all dictatorships (Turkey's secular government is enforced by the army.)

This matter goes back to Genesis, where the Abrahamic line was split in two, Ishmael and Esau (Edom) on one side, and Jacob (Israel) on the other. It is prophecized that the descendants of the two lines would clash, and now they are. The winner is also prophecized.

Sadam Husein may have been secular, but he was playing up to the majority of the population who at lease sympathize with radical Islam.

As for avoiding a war of civilizations, it's all ready started, get a clue!

Disfunctional Nonsense
Pat B is the only disfunctional, politically bankrupt person featured on TownHall.
The Iraq War was not just about WMDs - it was about ridding the world of a dangerous person and saving the Iraqi from mass murder, torture and rape via Saddam, his sons and the Republican Guard.
We (President G.H. Bush) gave a promise to the freedom fighters of Iraq - that we broke when Bush halted the chase to stop the Republican Guard before they arrived in Baghdad and ultimately form a siege on the capital of Saddam's regime. And we not only let them down, but because we did not appear over the horizon - whole villages were massacred and dumped in unmarked mass graves. That was the Persian Gulf War where I spent the three campaigns there.
This article is drivel. But then, what can be expected from one who has repeatedly mentioned phrases of praise and other allegations about Hitler and the Third Reich. Your a strange one, Mr. B.

JimP - Your Strange
Drivel, Jim, just like the article. And, yes, "Why is TownHall still featuring this mindless drivel? I guess, maybe they feel obligated because he pretends to be conservative, and we need to keep tabs on him. Whatever.

Comment for Raidencraig
Consider this: before World War II and the Germany-Russia agreement between Hitler and Stalin to carve up Europe, along with Mussolini; Stalin sided with Nazi Germany. Then suddenly they are our allies and if that wasn't mistake enough we let the Russians create the "Iron Curtain."
Iran was thrilled that Saddam's butt was kicked - so what? They dance in the streets of Iran when Americans and Israelites are killed by terrorists.
You need to wake up to reality and possibly study more about the Saddam history and our involvement in the Persian Gulf war and the Iraqi Freedom campaign. Apparently you are confused.

To the nut cases
When you start being asked to be on a national syndicated program week after week. When you are printed nationally for 20 years. We you've become an advisor to a President...

Until then you a nut case. To criticise the man they way you do behind your little safe computer, you a nut case.

Until your ready to become a target of mean spirited people like you, you a nut case. Nut case.

Fascism vs. Communism.
It is valueless to say that Facism=Communism. They are both of a totalitarian nature. They both deadly rivals. They are not the same thing.

Back when, we learned that a definite point of difference is in regard to the means of production.

Communism take all ownership of production and runs it through its plans. Thus "nationalized" industries and "collective" farms. Everything, product, labor, raw materials, price, everything is "planned."

Facism allows the producers to retain ownership and directs production. There is more control by the owners and more freedom. The government buys under contract. Thus Oscar Schindler, a German factory owner, saved his Jewish slave laborers.
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