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Friday, July 21, 2006
Pat Buchanan :: Townhall.com Columnist
No, this is not 'our war'
by Pat Buchanan
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My country has been "torn to shreds," said Fouad Siniora, the prime minister of Lebanon, as the death toll among his people passed 300 civilian dead, 1,000 wounded, with half a million homeless.

Israel must pay for the "barbaric destruction," said Siniora.

To the contrary, says columnist Lawrence Kudlow, "Israel is doing the Lord's work."

On American TV, former Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu says the ruination of Lebanon is Hezbollah's doing. But is it Hezbollah that is using U.S.-built F-16s, with precision-guided bombs, and 155-mm artillery pieces to wreak death and devastation on Lebanon?

No, Israel is doing this, with the blessing and without a peep of protest from President Bush. And we wonder why they hate us.

"Today, we are all Israelis!" brayed Ken Mehlman of the Republican National Committee to a gathering of Christians United for Israel.

One wonders if these Christians care about what is happening to our Christian brethren in Lebanon and Gaza, who have had all power cut off by Israeli air strikes, an outlawed form of collective punishment, that has left them with no sanitation, rotting food, impure water and days without light or electricity in the horrible heat of July.

When summer power outages occur in America, it means a rising rate of death among our sick and elderly, and women and infants. One can only imagine what a hell it must be today in Gaza City and Beirut.

But all this carnage and destruction has only piqued the blood lust of the hairy-chested warriors at The Weekly Standard. In a signed editorial, "It's Our War," William Kristol calls for America to play her rightful role in this war by "countering this act of aggression by Iran with a military strike against Iranian nuclear facilities. Why wait?"

"Why wait?" Well, one reason is that the United States has not been attacked. A second is a small thing called the Constitution. Where does George W. Bush get the authority to launch a war on Iran? When did Congress declare war or authorize a war on Iran?

Answer: It never did. But these neoconservatives care no more about the Constitution than they cared about the truth when they lied into war in Iraq.

"Why wait?" How about thinking of the fate of those 25,000 Americans in Lebanon if we launch an unprovoked war on Iran. How many would wind up dead or hostages of Hezbollah, if Iran gave the order to retaliate for the slaughter of their citizens by U.S. bombs? What would happen to the 130,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, if Shi'ites and Iranian "volunteers" joined forces to exact revenge on our soldiers?

What about America? Richard Armitage, who did four tours in Nam and knows a bit about war, says that, in its ability to attack Western targets, al Qaeda is the B team, Hezbollah the A Team. If Bush bombs Iran, what prevents Hezbollah from launching retaliatory attacks inside the United States?

None of this is written in defense of Hamas, Hezbollah or Iran.

But none of them has attacked our country, nor has Syria, whom Bush I made an ally in the Gulf War, and to whom the most decorated soldier in Israeli history, Ehud Barak, offered 99 percent of the Golan Heights. If Nixon, Bush I and Clinton could deal with Hafez al-Assad, a tougher customer than son Bashar, what is the matter with George W. Bush?

The last superpower is impotent in this war because we have allowed Israel to dictate to whom we may and may not talk. Thus, Bush winds up cussing in frustration in St. Petersburg that somebody should tell the Syrians to stop it. Why not pick up the phone, Mr. President?

What is Kristol's moral and legal ground for a war on Iran? It is the "Iranian act of aggression" against Israel, and that Iran is on the road to nuclear weapons, and we can't have that.

But there is no evidence Iran has any tighter control over Hezbollah than we have over Israel, whose response to the capture of two soldiers had all the spontaneity of the Schlieffen Plan. And, again, Hezbollah attacked Israel, not us. And there is no solid proof Iran is in violation of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, which it has signed, but Israel refuses to sign.

If Iran's nuclear program justifies war, why cannot the neocons make that case in the constitutional way, instead of prodding Bush to launch a Pearl Harbor attack? Do they fear they have no credibility left after pushing Bush into this bloody quagmire in Iraq that has cost almost 2,600 dead and 18,000 wounded Americans?

No, Kenny boy, we are not "all Israelis." Some of us still think of ourselves as Americans, first, last, and always . And, no, Mr. Kristol, this is not "our war." It's your war.

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JEWS BURN IN HELL YOU PARASITES
Zionists fight your own wars. Don't rely on the US to do it for you. Disband AIPAC and the ADL now!!!!! The so called "war on terror" is only because of Zionist control of our government. Islam is at war with Zionism, NOT the USA. Everyone except the blinded Americans can see that Israel is the 51st state of the US. HOW PATHETIC!!!! END ZIONIST CORRUPTION OF OUR GOVERNMENT NOW!!!!!!!! BURN IN HELL ISRAEL!!!!!

America first, NOT Zionist interests
To hell with the Zionists!!!! America first, NOT Israel!!!!!!! WHY DON'T JEWS SERVE IN OUR ARMED FORCES?????? Pat Buchanan is right on the money..............

Orwellian "Anti-Semitism"
I love it, rather than respond to any of Pat Buchanan's talking point's let's just smear and excommunicate him as an "anti-semite"-that settles it! I feel like i'm on a grade school playground.

Moreover, "anti-semitism" is such a meaningless and Orwellian term. AS evidenced in these comments it does not indicate someone who hates Jews-but someone Jews hate and wish to smear-consider Mel Gibson in producing the Passion.

Most Maddeningly ignorant-and I'm guessing all these pc intimidation quotes are in regard to Buchanan's article on Israel's endless destruction of Lebanon with the U.S.'s weopens-in regard to Israel, the term "anti-semitism" actually turns truth on its head. The ashkenazi elite in Israel-the ones who get best housing, etc in what is basically a socialist state are european in origin and not semitic. Even the small groups of sephardic Jews are not purely Semitic. HOWEVER the Palestinians are!

Meanwhile, how many more middle eastern christians will be murdered with our help, because idiot liberals and neo-conservatives hahve to finance this giant affirmative action, endangered species preserve known as Israel?

Orwellian "Anti-Semitism"
I love it, rather than respond to any of Pat Buchanan's talking point's let's just smear and excommunicate him as an "anti-semite"-that settles it! I feel like i'm on a grade school playground.

Moreover, "anti-semitism" is such a meaningless and Orwellian term. AS evidenced in these comments it does not indicate someone who hates Jews-but someone Jews hate and wish to smear-consider Mel Gibson in producing the Passion.

Most Maddeningly ignorant-and I'm guessing all these pc intimidation quotes are in regard to Buchanan's article on Israel's endless destruction of Lebanon with the U.S.'s weopens-in regard to Israel, the term "anti-semitism" actually turns truth on its head. The ashkenazi elite in Israel-the ones who get best housing, etc in what is basically a socialist state are european in origin and not semitic. Even the small groups of sephardic Jews are not purely Semitic. HOWEVER the Palestinians are!

Meanwhile, how many more middle eastern christians will be murdered with our help, because idiot liberals and neo-conservatives hahve to finance this giant affirmative action, endangered species preserve known as Israel?

Orwellian "Anti-Semitism"
I love it, rather than respond to any of Pat Buchanan's talking point's let's just smear and excommunicate him as an "anti-semite"-that settles it! I feel like i'm on a grade school playground.

Moreover, "anti-semitism" is such a meaningless and Orwellian term. AS evidenced in these comments it does not indicate someone who hates Jews-but someone Jews hate and wish to smear-consider Mel Gibson in producing the Passion.

Most Maddeningly ignorant-and I'm guessing all these pc intimidation quotes are in regard to Buchanan's article on Israel's endless destruction of Lebanon with the U.S.'s weopens-in regard to Israel, the term "anti-semitism" actually turns truth on its head. The ashkenazi elite in Israel-the ones who get best housing, etc in what is basically a socialist state are european in origin and not semitic. Even the small groups of sephardic Jews are not purely Semitic. HOWEVER the Palestinians are!

Meanwhile, how many more middle eastern christians will be murdered with our help, because idiot liberals and neo-conservatives hahve to finance this giant affirmative action, endangered species preserve known as Israel?

true NEO-conservatives
jdlucas,
this isn't NEO-conservative townhall, itz conservative town hall. just shut up with your nonsense, get a quater, and call someone who cares. Pat is about the strongest voice for old, traditional conservatism in this country. anti-semitism is as passe as affirmitive action. Go back to the 1900s where you can die with your uselessly pathetic accusations in a new century. what a hater. ur probably a communist lovin democrat spouting off becuz your party is bereft of ideas and false charges are all you can drum up. so....

Lebensraum
Eretz Israel (Greater Israel) is the name of the game in Lebanon. It seems to be Lebensraum all over again. Territorial expansion for Jewish settlers would be another chilling similarity between Zionism and its original nemesis, along with militarism and authoritarianism.

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"In an era when the earth is gradually being divided up among states, some of which embrace almost entire continents, we cannot speak of a world power in connection with a formation whose political mother country is limited to the absurd area of [twenty eight] thousand square kilometers....

"Without consideration of traditions and prejudices, [Israel] must find the courage to gather our people and their strength for an advance along the road that will lead this people from its present restricted living space to new land and soil, and hence also free it from the danger of vanishing from the earth or of serving others as a slave nation....

"For it is not in colonial acquisitions that we must see the solution of this problem, but exclusively in the acquisition of a territory for settlement, which will enhance the area of the mother country, and hence not only keep the new settlers in the most intimate community with the land of their origin, but secure for the total area those advantages which lie in its unified magnitude."

-- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (1925), pp. 644-653
** [with two changes]


Notwithstanding all of the above.
Pat you see has jumped the gator, and like the old fool he is rather than get out of the gator's mouth as he feels the teeth, he lunges ever deeper into the monsters depths , bye , bye
Pat, find a secret meeting of like minds and keep it that way.

The Real World Needs You Not.

Touching A Nerve (Obviously!)
These postings seem to go on and on – which is OK by me; I think Pat deserves a spirited defense against some of the venom that’s been injected into this discussion. I’ll reply to Alpha Dao, since he had the humility to say “Pat has very little credibility on this subject for me”, "for me" being the operative phrase. That at least leaves us room to have a discussion. The attitude of many responders to this article leaves no room for anything but a contest of power (i.e., who’s got the votes to kick him off or keep him on the Website). In my view, Pat’s consistency on Israel comes from principle, not prejudice – and it cuts both ways He has always affirmed Israel’s right to exist and Israel’s right to self-defense. But he has also always opposed having Israel’s agenda be the tail that wags the dog of American foreign policy. If that position amounts to “anti-semitism”, then the the term has lost all discrete meaning and become a generic smear-word. And if Alpha Dao has “more faith in the commentators who have the integrity to condemn their own party when it violates its principles,” he should be smothering Pat with hugs and kisses – that’s been the whole thrust of the man’s work for most of the last decade. As for Conservative “credentials,” the reason they loom large in this discussion isn’t because of anyone’s “obsession”, but just by way of contrast: Pat has so many of them, while his detractors have so few.

RE: Ant-Semitism
Some extracts from Alpha Dao's post:

"...calling a spade a spade...the shoe certainly fits...If you have a problem with the term, take it up with Webster"

See my comment in my earlier post regarding hackneyed terminology. ;-)

Seriously, though, Alpha Dao, I give you credit for making your points with a sense of level-headedness and logic. I actually read your post with some interest, even if I am generally not in agreement with it.

Confusing Hezobollah with "ruling gov't"
SiliconDoc, people will listen better if you don't speak out of a rage-induced haze. As it is, you hurt my ears.

In Afghanistan, and in Iraq, we ousted the ruling governments. The Taliban, which offered aid and sanctuary to Al Qaida, were primary rulers of Afghanistan. In Iraq we toppled Saddam's regime.

Lebanon's government is a democracy of sorts, and is officially a Christian government; although I will wholeheartedly admit it is a weak, floundering and rather ineffective democracy. But can you see the difference? I would love to see Hezbollah taken out, but at the same time, you don't want to smash a fragile, precious vase to kill the fly that landed on it (forgive my poor excuse of an analogy--it's the best I can come up with off the top of my head). Lebanon is a beautiful country, even a tourist attraction, and many of its citizens abhor the situation in the south.

One thing I do maintain, Hezbollah has been allowed to exist in southern Lebanon too long. I just don't agree with Israel's response, which is, apparently, to inflict misery on Lebanon as a nation. If they can go in and rout Hezbollah out of their holes, that will be inspiring. But coming down on civilians and civilian targets is not going to do the trick, not in this instance.

If the Lebanese government capitulated tomorrow, that would not change a thing with respect to Hezbollah. They are a maverick terrorist organization. Christian Lebanese do not love the situation in Southern Lebanon; indeed, a civil war was fought over this, but apparently to no real or lasting avail.

Ant-Semitism
Yeah, I am a hypocrite. I am prejudicial against Buchanan just as he is prejudicial towards Israel and Judaism.

I simply have the knack for calling a spade a spade. And the shoe certainly fits in this case. I have no intention of stopping the use of the term "anti-Semitic" when it comes to Buchanan. He fits the classical definition, if not your "rabid hatred of the Jews" caveat. If you have a problem with the term, take it up with Webster.

I am prejudicial against prejudice, intolerant of intolerance.

I have no particular alliance towards Judaism or Israel. I'm Scot/Irish/English descent, about as WASP as you can get. Religiously, I am a Protestant, and I go to church maybe 4 times a year so that kind of eliminates your "religious-wacko" argument for my support. I don’t support sending troops to help Israel, but I certainly don’t condemn them for engaging in self-defense and preservation. As far as military aid, I would be more than willing to stop our arms shipments to Israel if the other nations of the world would stop funding Syria, the PA, and other nations committed to Israel’s destruction. Somehow, I don’t seem them agreeing to that.

Buchanan, despite his record or credentials which his supporters seem obsessed with, the man has consistently, repeatedly, and thoroughly taken the side of every anti-Israel and anti-Jew. And, as such, I will read anything he writes on the subject with a hyper-critical eye because I feel he had his mind made up on the subject prior to examining the facts. This article is an excellent example, as he laments the plight of the Lebanese who not only tolerate the presence of Hezbollah, but actually grant them political seats in their government without mentioning a single word (much less and condemnation of Hezbollah) for the persistent rocket-attacks that have many 25% of the Israelis population living in bomb shelters.

Buchanan has very little credibility on this subject for me. And being consistent on it carries no more weight or honor than it does for Howard Dean to consistently bash Republicans and conservatives. I put a little more faith in the commentators who have the integrity to condemn their own party when it violates its principles (such as: illegal immigration).

I do not now, nor have I ever advocated removing him from this page. I do not now, nor have I ever spoken derisively towards any of the other posters who advocated a position similar or identical to Buchanan’s. If you are biased against Israel, you have yet to show it. The same cannot be said for Mr. Buchanan.

And, with all due respect, Buchanan would never win the Presidency. The Jewish-Zionist Conspiracy would make sure to prevent that from happening, right Drumcat? (sarcasm)

Drumcat obviously fits the mold.
Drumcat says: { Get ready for the end of the evil Zionist empire, all you Neocon liars and bullies. It will be the Roman Empire-times-one-thousand.}

Then he whines about "semitism" and pretends he supports " a real republican", when he's obviously a flaming liberal wacko.

Congratulations Jew hater Drumcat, who calls for the destruction of Israel, a thousand times worse than the fall of the Roman Empire, just like an Islamofascist, just like the leaders of 57 Muslim nations. LOL

You goofballs give Buchannen a bad name, but you're far to insane to know it. I guess you morons never noticed you're the ones calling for the destruction of a nation, not anyone else. Yet, you cry someone else is filled with hatred. You are, no doubt, insane.

Page One Daily BS Story
Hey everyone.

Check out the type of false propaganda Steve Myers' Zionist website spews:

http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=2950

"Exclusive: Syria placed its army on war preparedness, pointed Scuds at Israel from Thursday, July 20, the day Tehran took control of Lebanon War"

"Our sources add Syrian fighter pilots are sitting in their cockpits."

Funny, how none of the major news sources ran that story (or a spin similar thereto). The Daily One editor must be rollin' in the dough, having such a supply of exclusive "sources"

LMAO @ the nerve of these people, who perpetuate the Zionists' vise clinch on the media with such BS drivel, and then turn around and charge 'anti-semitism' at every possible turn. Anything to get leverage for your agenda, eh Stevie boy?

Steve Myers: Boy who cried "Wahhhh"
Sorry for the re-repost, sir. It took a while for the first one to go through.

Buchanan for President! (Although we know he's too smart to go for that job)

Israel's self-destructive war
Johnathan,

You're just a bandwagon Neocon/Zionist toolboy. A real Republican doesn't have to toe the line of 'semitism' to be validated on these issues.

Mr. Buchannan,

You're the only author on this site who is consistently sensible and objective in your analysis of current events. Thanks for voicing the sentiments of those who are not held prisoner by their political affiliations or economic interests.

Now, about the criminal Israelis...

The current situation in Gaza is no better than the death camps of Germany, except this time, the Jews are in control. Too bad the Israeli-controlled media monstrosity won't allow the whole truth to be told.

However, the world will eventually see the truth.

Soon, it will be too late for Israel, the Zionists, and the Neocons. They will be overwhelmed by the undertow of their criminal past and present, as they drown deeper into the ocean of Arab blood they have spilled into their ever-tarnishing chalice of infidelity and deceit. Get ready for the end of the evil Zionist empire, Neocon liars and bullies.

It will be the Roman Empire-times-one-thousand.

Any sort of sanity here ?
No, Patty boy, we are not "world policemen" this time. All of us should still think of ourselves as Americans, first, last, and always, but some falsely claim others do not . And, no, Mr. Buchannen, this is not "our war." It's Israel's war.

That pretty much says it all. Nations all over the world ship arms to eachother, and let's face it, if we were the only nation supplying arms, there would have NEVER been a Gulf War 1.

Some commentators need to grow up and live in reality. The USA is not the one fighting the war around Israel, and in Lebanon.

All the whining and complaining that we haven't STOPPED it, with a big DEMAND for a ceasefire, like so many clucking liberals have treated us to this very week, merely means that THEY want us to be the world's policeman more than anyone else letting Israel carry out it's own chosen mission.

This is not our war, it is not Bill Krystols war, even if Patty boy thinks he has to remind anyone.

The arrogant, always egotistical, worldwide nosey, big mouthed US citizens under the guise of "commentator", pretend now as always, that the USA controls the nature of conflicts about the world, and especially in the Middle East, concerning Israel.

The massive arrogance is nothing but supreme stupidity.

Like a few others have mentioned here in columns, and as I have seen on the TV,if we the USA had suffered a similar deluge of Katyusha rockets we would have already invaded and changed the government of the nation in question. IN FACT THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE DID IN AFGHANISTAN.

Now, those whom in all likelihood have hidden behind their Bush hatred by claiming they actually supported the war in Afghanistan, rise up like world dictators to spew their tinny and whiney cries for Israel to not do exactly what they were shrieking was the right to do for the past 4 plus years.

Oh, but it isn't the USA making the war, calling the shots, and doing the damage, and taking the retaliation where it needs to go, so it's lotsa fun for the pinheads to PRETEND it's the USA doing, by whining their gizzard necks off about "THE USA NOT PUTTING A STOP TO THE PROBLEM IMMEDIATELY" - OR " THE WEAPONS SALES " TO SWORN ALLIES, SO THEY CAN FIGHT OUR SWORN ENEMIES.

What a bunch of mindless dolts you ALL are that do it.

Go cry in your popped balloon shriveled crumpled mess of failed rubber, that was formerly your gigantic bloated arrogant world domination ego.

Guess what mr " RULERS OF THE CONFLICTS OF THE WORLD" ? You DON'T GET TO CALL THE SHOTS FROM THE USA - THERE ARE OTHER NATIONS ON THIS EARTH, AND THEY WILL CALL THEIR OWN SHOTS, NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU WHINE THEY CANNOT AND SHOULD NOT, AND that THE MIGHTY AND GREAT US of A SHOULD STOP THEM !

Shut it- and go blow about your world marching orders somewhere else. In the mean time we will arm our friends, even as our supposed friends arm our enemies in LARGE MEASURE - AND ALL YOU WHINING SLOBS DON'T SAY A PEEP ABOUT THAT !!!

-S-T-U-P-I-D T-R-A-I-T-O-R-S-

Iran, N. Korea, & anti-Semitism my eye!
I am all for "decisive military action," as it states in the post below, but blowing up Lebanon would not be on my list of decisive action--it's more like beating up the weak and harmless little brother of some nasty bully who hit your own little brother. It smacks of misplaced retaliation just for the sake of getting some kind, any kind of retribution. You talk about Iran, North Korea, Syria and China. I hear ya, man, they are all big problems--but Israel went North instad of East and West. And I have a bad feeling they are not doing much at all to hurt Hezbollah in Southern Lebanon. I wish they could gouge Hezbollah out of there like the cancer they are, but so far, things don't look promising. If Israel can get their act together and get Hezbollah on the run, instead of merely bombing the hell out of Beirut Electric and Beirut International Airport or whatever they're called, that will be a different story....

As for the cries of "anti-Semitism" on this board, in this instance they are so ridiculous as to be beneath retort. Calling a patriotic, religious, soft-spoken man like Buchanan an anti-Semite is absurd, a sham, and most of you here know it. The term itself has gotten so hackneyed as to be laughable. Nowadays you cannot even make a movie about the death of Christ without being labeled "anti-Semite." If it wasn't so amusing it would be spooky. Wait a minute, it actually is a little spooky.

There is an unforgettable scene from a classic WWII film about the Japanese onslaught on Corrigidor and Bataan peninsula. After witnessing relentless attacks and heartless bombings of well marked hospitals, the U.S. Army Nurses on Corrigidor are struggling to understand the grim reality of their situation. Hearing that they are not going be rescued and surrender to the Japanese is inevitable, one nurse looks heavenward and rhetorically asks, "How did we get in this terrible situation?" She then answers her own question; "We made the mistake of thinking that everyone in the world are just like us."

As we contemplate the massive increases Chinese military strength, the crisis with Hezbollah in Lebanon, and especially as we deal with North Korea and Iran's nuclear threats, we must avoid that same foolish assumption which cost us so dearly in late 1941. We must not assume that our enemies think like us.

Specifically, we must not assume that the leadership of these nations and their surrogate terrorist groups believe that millions of innocent deaths in a nuclear exchange are an unthinkable horror. We mustn't assume that the destruction of major population and industrial centers, or of cultural and historic sites, is a viewed as a "war crime" or crime against humanity in Teheran, Peking, Damascus and Pyong Yang.

Accordingly, when we learn that China is building its military forces at an unprecedented rate and is intentionally misleading us of that fact, we have to think differently. Not as American's traditionally think, but as Chinese communists, ones who didn't even blink while tanks were grinding civilian protesters into the stones of Tiananmen Square. When North Korea admits possession of nuclear weapons, launches missiles at us and continues to develop those weapons (with the $4 Billion dollars handed them by Bill Clinton's diplomacy), we desperately need to try and understand the mindset of lunatic despots and crazed ideologues.

If nothing else, the horror of 9/11 should have opened our eyes to the unthinkable. Spain, England, Indonesia and India have now felt the terror sting of Jihadistan as well. The ongoing carnage in Iraq, the beheadings, the mosque bombings, suicide bombers; the Katuska missiles in Israel are proof positive that, "Everyone (in the world) is NOT just like us."

Israel has finally realized its survival and long term peace depend on decisive military action. It has been brought to this realization by thirty-three years of failed diplomacy and irresponsible territorial concessions. No amount of negotiation or longing for peace has worked. In the past we have urged- even forced- restraint each time Israel has been attacked, and they have three decades of death to show for it.

America can learn from that long failed lesson and for once we must hold firm and actively support Israel in this war. We, like Israel must choose a course of action. Go with the UN plan of "death by a thousand cuts", or we can just go out and kill the miscreants holding the knives.

A lot of truth here
Buchanan's commentary hits home on a number of points. I am somewhat relieved to see that there are still those in the conservative movement whose nationalist loyalties are given, first and foremost, to the USA.

Many Americans today, it seems, are more concerned with devout loyalism towards Israel--or at least the appearance of loyalty--out of what I perceive as a sort of religiously motivated sycophancy among Christians, and nothing more than political positioning among those in power or those who are seeking power.

I am a Christian myself, I fear God and respect Israel, but I am not much for fashionable ideology; and it has become trendy, both from a Christian and political standpoint, to back Israel up no matter how deplorable their actions. And from where I sit, this military operation into Lebanon stinks to high heaven, in both principle and in its manner of execution.

Defending Buchanan
Pat Buchanan is a true patriot and if the Repubilcan Party decides to pledge allegiance to Israel, instead of the United States of America, than maybe I'm in the wrong party. It is not secret that Mr. Buchanan has said some controversial things in his days. I myself don't exactly agree with all he has to say, either. Yet, he is one of the most well read and informed commentators that exists. Buchanan has worked under three Presidents and was a player in some of the biggest moments in modern U.S. History. Hannity loves to talk tough to Buchanan, but trust me, Mr. Buchanan's credibility FAR outweighs his.

It is one thing to not agree with Buchanan on Israel. I am not quite sure, I even do. Yet you can't say he isn't consistant. He has criticized almost all foreign conflicts since the Reagan years. Yet, I have a really problem with those who are out to call him an anti-Semite, because he is making a valid point that even our own President, and the rest of the beltway is too scared to make. The folks that want him outed from Townhall.com can simply choose not to read his posts, if they are that offended by them. I myself, look forward to reading his column every week. He adds to the debate and discussion, and has the knowledge and experience to back up his opinions.

Pat Buchanan is a true conservative and a patriot and not only deserves a voice, but has earned it. Maybe that is why so many want to take it away. While Sean Hannity is always saying that he is a "conservative first" (which is total B.S.), Buchanan is an American first, and a conservative one at that.

That's where the terrorists are
Mr Buchanan,
The bank robber Willie Sutton was asked why he robbed banks and his answer was, "Because that's where the money is." There is also another truism, "You gotta scratch where it itches." I guess in your mind the Jews have got to drop their arms and take a beating because they are Jews and they would not be in this position if they were not the way that they are.

The Israilis did not start this fight. They did not kidnap Arabs at random. They have never randomly murdered innocents with suicide bombers and rockets. To say otherwise is to lie.

I concur with jdlucas01. He is now a Islamofacist supporter and not in keeping with the Townhall concept. I'm waiting for him to write a modern version of "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion."

What's That...It's PAT!
Looks like Pat is revving up for another leap at the windmill. As has become his norm, he is just right enough to get published, but just wrong enough to be considered irrelevant.

If the Lebanese innocents who have lost their air conditioning and cable TV because of Israel's appropriate response to overt terrorism truly want my sympathy (and not just Mr. Buchanan's), they should NOT have tolerated such activity within their borders and done everything in their power to obliterate it.

Evil itself is not dangerous without the help of those who tolerate it.

The liberal mindset….
The author, not unlike many liberals, appears to be afflicted with tunnel vision. These clueless,
narrow-minded types are so out of touch with the real world, they don’t understand or simply refuse to admit that we are at war. Whether we like it or not, we are engaged in a global war with radical fundamentalists who will use any means to defeat us and to convert or subject our civilized world to their 7th century “sharia” dogma.

On Silencing Pat
The inability of the war party to tolerate dissent is one of the reddest flags I've seen in a long time, and the willingness (even eagerness) of some to shut Pat up, or down, or shove him to the margins is more than a little disturbing. Pat is a dedicated Conservative who came to personify the metaphor of the "voice crying the wilderness" after the neoconned Republican party became "the wilderness." If you disagree with his message, you can be belittling, disdainful, contemptuous, insulting toward him -- whatever. But any suggestion that we should deny the man access to this audience because some people find his message too upsetting to listen to is simply unacceptable. If it seems acceptable to you, you might want to consider treatment for that totalitarian streak.

Pathetic
I gave Pat Buchanan the benefit of the doubt about a lot of things - until I read this last commentary.

How anyone could deny Israel's right to self defense is incomprehensable to me. This is basic. This is not an intellectual exercise in the vagaries of social change. I would spend ten minutes explaining this to Pat if I thought he would read it and it would mean anything. However, too many individuals far more articulate than I have already made the arguments - made the case for Israel. There is nothing else to say. With this single commentary he has lost any shred of credibility.

I thought the early calls to vote Pat off Townhall were a little harsh. Upon further reflection I certainly hope Pat is removed. Regardless, I won't be reading any more of his commentaries.

God Bless Israel and the United States of America.


83 posts? Is that a record?
Some great posts since this morning, especially the one by movwater (how long did that take you???)

And some very disturbing ones. Like tanabear, who apparently believes Bush ordered the 911 attacks. Facts please? Bush is not a dictator, he can barely keep in the good graces of his own party, and there are too many people in high places who don't like him for him to get away with that. You think people in the know would leak info about wire tapping and not about such a treasonous and reprehensible act? Please join the real world.

And like Robin, who finds "the older i get the more i'm convinced that all religon is bad for the world. it sure seems to inspire an incredible amount of hate and war. kill, kill, kill." All that tells me is you know very little about religion and have no intention of fairly evaluating the merits and faults of the many different world beliefs. I suggest, however, that you read the "Black Book of Communism" and see how many MILLIONS suffered and died in a single century at the hands of officially atheistic governments. You see, the Communists, like you, believed that religion is the cause of all the world's problems. You can examine the results of their experiment yourself. I think it's time to officially bury that nonsense.

Pat Buchanan
Has become irrelevant, overbearing and underwhelming. His brain and all its cerebral functions have atrophied. Please, don't publish anymore of his apostles' screeds unless it's in the humor section because he can't be taken seriously anymore.

For me,
it's not so much that Pat needs to be ousted; it's that he's on Townhall and others are not. Vote him out? No. Trade him? Sure. I'll take Nathaniel Blake for him. Or James Lileks. Or Mark Steyn. Do yourself a favor, and head on over to jewishworldreview.com and check out the columns by Steyn and Lileks.


Buchannan is suspect.
Pat Buchannan does sound anti-Semetic. I don't know him and I can't read his mind long distance. I do know that I disagree strongly with him.

I have his book, "Death of the West". It was an informative read, and I agreed with him that American culture has been under fire, and non-whites are out producing whites.

I just think it is too bad that he is just not a likable guy. I know, we shouldn't use that against his ideas. OK. I also Think he is a racist, and completely wrong about every thing since the book I mentioned. There is enough meat here on townhall to make it unnecessary to visit Pat again. I won't really miss him.

povidus writes:
'The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal who calls themself a conservative.'

Or attempt to purposely confuse the two.

'I have nothing against the state of Isreal, and I'm rooting for them in their most recent war. However, why is it that 30 years ago, liberals big supporters of the little nation while conservatives wanted nothing to do with it; whereas now, the roles have reversed?'

I made this very point to someone else today. I remember the 1973 war, and the liberal Jews I knew then were very emotional in their support of Israel. Now, it seems, these very same liberal Jews have practically taken a diametrically opposing position with regard to Israel in keeping with the Liberal religious scripture.

I met up with one last year, now a lawyer - he once confided that he had lost relatives to the gas chambers. After realizing that he had changed toward Israel, I asked 'Isn't this rather an incongruous view?' I never got much more than evasion. I didn't pursue it.

There are so many incongruous contradictions in Liberalism that it's no wonder Michael Savage calls it a mental disorder.

Saul
Westoxification is a phrase connected to us "exporting our culture" and corrupting their youth.

MTV, Madonna, Rock and Roll, etc....none of those "sins" existed pre-1948. Nor did we have television, radio, the internet, etc.

The cultural war didn't kick into full gear until we had an electronic society, and it's hearder to block television and radio waves than it is to burn books, nyeh?

And it is mostly the clerics and the poor who complain about it. They see it as corrupting the sheiks and royalty.

And it is an honest statement and a feasible position for you to "not want us on ANY foreign soil". I disagree with you that it is the best course of action, however.

--Yeah, it's Epsilon...the TH password reminder system is down and I'm on my home computer.

This is Not Our War
One shudders to think that a man so weak and deluded as Pat Buchanan has been a candidate for President. There is absolutely nothing the state of Israel could do that would meet with approbation from Buchanan. I don't know the man, and I have not heard clear evidence that he is anti-semitic. There is no doubt, however, that he hates Israel.

I recall President Bush embarking on a new course in foreign policy a few years ago. He proclaimed that the U.S. would consider an enemy any state that harbors or supports terrorists. That makes Iran unequivocally our enemy. Hezbollah has been our enemy since Beirut 1982. Israel is our staunch ally--more reliable than any European nation, as reliable as any nation bar none. An alliance means that a nation takes the side of its ally against their mutual enemies. One must conclude, therefore, that this IS our war.

If Buchanan became the leader of the free world, even for just four years, it would take at least 20 years to make up for the losses that would be suffered against our Islamist enemies and the degradation of our position as a world power, during which time God only knows how many Americans would die at the hands of Buchanan's friends, Iran, Hezbollah, Al Qaida. Israel? She probably would not exist after four years under Buchanan. Europe wouldn't defend Israel, and her enemies would be emboldened, unleashed for an all-out attack, knowing that they could count on Buchanan to withhold support in Israel's defense.

Thank God nobody actually listens to this man.

Diversion
I'm not sure where I saw it, perhaps one of the blogs, but the point was made that Hezbollah's initiated attack on Israel, at just this time, could possibly be an attempt to divert attention away from Iran at this particular moment. The I-fascists certainly realize that Israel was not going to stand by while their soldiers were kidnapped and killed.

With Israel tied up by this Lebanon insurgency situation, the US still fixated on Iraq, the rest of the world wringing it hands over 'disproportionate response' and the UN's totally self absorbed fool Kofi Annan muttering leftistisms, Iran might just have enough time to complete their nuclear project and preparations to let it fly against an Israel, currently at low ebb in world opinion.

Anything's possible with these fanatics...

I vote Patrick Buchanan off Townhall
1. Isn't it funny for Mr. Buchanan to bring a comparison with Pearl Harbor? Pearl Harbor would never happen if in 1939 America didn't say as Mr. Buchanan said today: It's not our war.
2. To someone supporting Mr. Buchanan who said that Jews are "under-represented in US Military" (although it is entirely besides the point because what Israel is doing - is in American interests)I am saying: there are many evil people in the world that your words make very happy. For years I heard: Jews didn't fight in WWWII, Jews don't like to work and so on.. I heard it in my native country of the communist Soviet Union.

Patrick is right on target
EpsilonDao

It's true that obl stated his hatred for America is based on the USA's support for israel and that US soldiers are on arab soil. It's stated clearly on page 49 of the 9/11 report.

I too believe that no American soldiers ought to be based on ANY foreign soil. If a foreign country wants American soldiers, it should hire an army of mercenaries and pay them well.

If the arabs worry about the "westoxification" of their societies, then why did they not want to kill us all pre-1948? This is a bs - pro israel arguement that holds no water.

Also - it's a fact that most of the arab sheiks who run their rathole countries send their children to American Universities and other western higher education centers in the world so their hypocracy of being anti-western is true and lame at best.

israel brings zero value to America. If you value bringing more enemies as an ally then israel is the best ally in the world.

Pat and I and other great thinkers believe that people should solve their local problems by themselves. We don't need to engage.

israel is our misfortune. israel is a liability on the backs of the American tax payers.

Thank you Andrea!
And thank you, Andrea, for being a second sane voice on the subject. And for all those war-besotted neo- and pseudo-cons out there who want to squelch voices that cause them cognitive dissonance and emotional discomfort -- here's a newsflash: Pat Buchanan is a Conservative; George Bush is not. You might want to keep that distinction in mind before you start urging us to vote someone off a conservative Werbsite!

It's about values, dumbdumb.
Pat Buchanan wants the gov't to stop giving lip service to the values of the constitution and start observing it.

The constiution is for the citizens of this country not every communistic, dictatorial, socialistic, fanatical country that gets our attention.

He is no anti-semite. He is an American though.

JimP



Thank you, Mr. Buchanan, for being the lone sane voice among conservatives in Washington today. I really appreciate this article and have posted it on my blog: http://andreakirkassaf.blogspot.com

This is the same Andrea Kirk you know, the youngest daughter of Russell Kirk. I married a Maronite Lebanese man, Tony Assaf, and so have been directly affected by this war. In fact, my in-laws' home, and sadly my father-in-law too, were hit by the Israeli missile that struck Baabda last night. Incidentally, there are no Hezbollah targets within miles, though the presidential palace is just next door. And Olmert claims he's trying to help the Lebanese government? I fail to see how destroying Lebanon could possibly help the Lebanese or the Israelis, in the short or long term.

Please speak out on this as frequently and loudly as you can. It could save lives if certain actors finally see the light.


Dear Mr. Buchanan,

Thank you so much for being the lone sane voice among conservatives in Washington today. I really appreciate this article and have posted it on my blog: http://andreakirkassaf.blogspot.com

This is the same Andrea Kirk you know, the youngest daughter of Russell Kirk. I married a Maronite Lebanese man, Tony Assaf, and so have been directly affected by this war. In fact, my in-laws' home, and sadly my father-in-law too, was hit by the Israeli missile that struck Baabda (no Hezbollah targets there!) just last night.

Please speak out on this as frequently and loudly as you can. It could save lives.

Thank you,
Andrea

Saul
"no Israel, no foreign policy problem in the ME."

I think that is overly optimistic. Though I don't doubt that withdrawal of our support for Israel would strengthen diplomatic ties and raise opinions of us in the Arab countries, I seriously doubt it would eliminate all problems.

Israel is only one sticking point for the terrorists. "Westoxification" (exporting our culture) and the positioning of US troops in Saudi also cause problems.

Bin Laden complained mostly about the troops in Saudi more than Israel up until 9/11.

As long as that area is the hotbed of people who want to see the world converted, subjugated, or killed we will continue to have problems.


As long as that area is the hotbed of people who want to see the world converted, subjucated, or killed we will continue to have problems.

Bonehead Buchannon
He forgot to mention that most Christians were driven from Lebannon by Muslims. He forgot the Beirut bombing of our troops trying to help quell the violence in Lebannon. He forgot a great deal.

Although, we do not the troop strength at the momemt because of Iraq.

But if Israel squeezes Iran and Syria enough, this may help with stopping the Iraq insurgency.

re: No, this is not 'our war'
Mr Buchanan writes "None of this is written in defense of Hamas, Hezbollah or Iran.

But none of them has attacked our country..."

I would like to ask Mr. Buchanan who he thinks bombed our Embassy in Beirut as well as the U.S. Marines there in the early 1980's.

I can only conclude he believes there is a statute of limitations to those kind of things...or that Israel is simply always wrong.




Movwater
Thanks for the work you put into your long post...very informative.

But as for Lindbergh, he eventually woke up--he even flew combat missions in the Pacific.

When does Pat wake up?

Zapper
Did I say he hated the Jews? No.

I said he was obsessed with the Jews and more readily finds fault with them than others.

The point is, when a person consistently finds fault with one specific group of people (no matter what the circumstances) and or country, it stands to reason that they have preconcieved notions (prejudice) regarding that situation.

And Pat's statements are consistently taking the side against Israel and Judaism. And not all of these statements have anything to do with American Foreign Policy!

If his statements were strictly "we should not assist Israel militarily" or "Israel has too much influence in our foreign policy" he would not be called anti-semitic by me. As evidenced by this forum, not a single person who has advocated the "America First" Foreign Policy has been labeled by me. There are strong arguments on both sides of that argument and a person can take either side having no predisposed attitude towards Judaism and Israel.

Anyone can criticize Israel without being labeled as "anti-semitic" by me (again as evidenced by my many posts on this topic). And, in many cases historically, there has been a lot to criticize.

Mr Buchanan, however, does not fit this mold. He has consistently, repeatedly and vocally found fault not only with Israel, but people of the Jewish faith. Regardless of circumstances, he always positions himself opposite the Jews or Israelis. He does NOT do this (as consistently) regarding any other religion or ethnicity.

I am a hard-core conservative, but I am willing to concede when liberals or Democrats have a good idea.

But, with Buchanan EVERYTHING is "the Jews", and the Jews are ALWAYS on the wrong side.

Look, Zap, you can split hairs on specific or claim that dozens of statements, positions, and writings still don't equate to a consistent pattern of anti-semitism, but I think you are being far too generous.

Criticism is not hatred
Why do we say that arguing for an Americ First foreign policy is anti-semitic? If this constitutes anti-semitism, it also aimplies anti-Indianism, anti-Canadianism, anti-Africanism, anti-Europeanism, etc. This is ridiculous. Can we reserve the label of anti-semitism for those who hate Jewish people and not apply it to those who criticize certain Israeli activities and influence?

The cummulative case argument against Pat does not apply in this case. For when you recognize that each statement you provided does not show any hatred of Jewish people, how can they all together prove it? The whole is made up of parts, and if none of the parts demonstrates any hatred against Jewish people by Pat, the whole cannot show this either.

In addition, if Pat Buchanan is anti-semitic, how does someone call Israel on the carpet for anything they do wrong and not be labeled anti-semitic? I think this difficulty speaks more about the culture of the marketplace of ideas than it does about the idea itself.

Pat is right on
Americans who want to fight for a secure israel should move to israel and join the IDF. Our hard earned paychecks will be taxed so the US Government will provide every israeli conscript with the finest military hardware money can buy.

Americans don't need to fight this battle. It's time for israel to defend itself with it's own resources and stop implicating the US.

The best outcome is for iran and israel to nuke each other off the planet.

no israel, no foreign policy problem in the ME.

Liberals and Conservatives
The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal who calls themself a conservative.

For example:

Neoconservatism is liberalism;
Evangelicalism liberalism.

I have nothing against the state of Isreal, and I'm rooting for them in their most recent war. However, why is it that 30 years ago, liberals big supporters of the little nation while conservatives wanted nothing to do with it; whereas now, the roles have reversed?

Re-visit,"tough talk'.
Russia lurks and smirks and loves the evil puppets works, China wines and dines as the puppets lie as others die, these words of Buchanan and the ones of silken asian words as China sighs and lies, they are ever so easy to hear, "the rockets in their pockets are not ours", there do you not see America its the loon who flys down North Korea way, now,,? why can we not dance this evil puppet dance , well we are real boys not those made of wood, now cut the strings no matter what fingers we loose.

DEAR AMERICAN LEADERSHIP

TEAR DOWN THIS ROCKET AND PUPPET FACTORY THAT IS IRAN.

"We should take a vote and see if people want to vote Patrick J. Buchanan off of TownHall.com."

If we did that he would be voted off before the ink was dry on the ballots!

More directly
It is pitiful to read the line " . . these neoconservatives care no more about the Constitution than they cared about the truth when they lied into war in Iraq."

That bit of stupidity is truly telling the "paleo-conservative" nature of the dinosaur that is Pat Buchanan!

It is also poor prose! How might one 'lie into war?" If it is meant to imply that our entry into Iraq to depose the tyrant Hussein, it is presumptive and indefensible on its face. No lie was told to convince congress to authorize our invasion of Iraq, and I defy anyone, including Pat Buchanan, to present facts to the contrary!

Pat is not an chemist


It may be true that diesel exhaust doesn't contain enough carbon monoxide (a toxin) to kill you. But carbon dioxide, which is the fully burned form of carbon monoxide, though not itself a toxin, can still displace oxygen and suffocate you. So Pat is wrong on that, admittedly minor, point.

BTW, since someone else seems to have taken my nickname, JohnL, I changed mine to JohnL1. The previous post was mine.

"We should take a vote and see if people want to vote Patrick J. Buchanan off of TownHall.com."

He'd be voted out before the ink was dry on the ballots!

Zapper - et al
If you will re-read my comments you will see that I did not say he "hated" the Jews, but he certainly seems obsessed with them and what he sees as their influence in the American political forum.

As this seems to be his only obsession and he seems to have a pre-formed opinion on the matter; this fits into the definition of "prejudice".

So...he is prejudicial towards his judgment of Jews and/or Israeli policy. So, anti-Jew, Anti-Israeli, and Anti-Semite (yes Arabs are Semites as well, the phrase is most commonly associated with Anti-Judaism) all fit.

These views are reflected not only in the quotes I have documented here, but in many other writing and positions he has supported in the past.

We can split hairs on specifics, but it really is pointless. You seem oblivious to his prejudice despite any facts to the contrary.
Yes, you can speak admiringly of Hitler's talent and not be anti-Semitic. Yes, you can question the veracity of a specific event in the Holocaust and not be anti-Semitic. Yes, you can complain about Zionist influence in American foreign policy and not be anti-Semitic. Yes, you can question the point of tracking down concentration camp staff and guards and not be anti-Semitic.
But, when you couple all of those (and dozens of other) statements and positions you begin to see a pattern emerge. Buchanan is ALWAYS on whatever side is against the Jews/Israel. And that is where the phrase "prejudice" fits, my friend.

The current situation is an excellent example as he complains about the tactics employed by the IDF without mentioning the various war crimes committed by Hezbollah. He condemns the IDF for "targeting civilians" when Hezbollah has been doing that since its inception. He throws out a simple "None of this is written in defense of Hamas, Hezbollah or Iran" and expects that to discount the fact that he is only complaining about Israeli tactics and to claim that Hezbollah, Syria, Iran, and Hamas have not attacked our country, a phrase that would be laughable if it was not so tragic.

Also, if you will read my comments, you will see that I have never advocated removing him from TH. I simply encourage readers of his column to understand that his opinion comes from a place that may or may not be based in fact. Again, would you not take a critique of Capitalism written by Karl Marx with a grain of salt?

P.S. - regarding the Robertson quote about Communism...you have to understand the context. There was no reason to identify Marx as "a Jew" other than to imply a conspiracy of high magnitude in which "a cabal of bankers" (read: Jews) have been manipulating countries since the Freemasons, and Communism was another attempt by the "bankers" (read: Jews) to implement the New World Order. This conspiracy theory has been around since the original pogroms and was used in part as justification for the Final Solution by Hitler. Research "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion".
Call me old-fashioned, but repackaging a myth that helped spark the Holocaust ranks pretty high up on my scale of prejudice and bigotry.



These views are reflected not only in the quotes I have documented here, but in many other writing and positions he has supported in the past.

We can split hairs on specifics, but it really is pointless. You seem oblivious to his prejudice despite any facts to the contrary.
Yes, you can speak admiringly of Hitler's talent and not be anti-semitic. Yes, you can question the veracity of a specific event in the Holocaust and not be anti-semetic. Yes, you can complain about Zionist influence in American foriegn policy and not be anti-semitic. Yes, you can question the point of tracking down concentration camp staff and guards and not be anti-semitic.
But, when you couple all of those (and dozens of other) statements and positions you begin to see a pattern emerge. Buchanan is ALWAYS on whatever side is against the Jews/Israel. And that is where the phrase "prejudice" fits, my friend.

The current situation is an excellent example as he complains about the tactics employed by the IDF without mentioning the various war crimes committed by Hezbollah. He condemns the IDF for "targeting civilians" when Hezbollah has been doing that since it's inception. He throws out a simple "None of this is written in defense of Hamas, Hezbollah or Iran" and expects that to discount the fact that he is only complaining about Israeli tactics and to claim that Hezbollah, Syria, Iran, and Hamas have not attacked our country, a phrase that would be laughable if it was not so tragic.

Also, if you will read my comments, you will see that I have never advocated removing him from TH. I simply encourage readers of his column to understand that his opinion comes from a place that may or may not be based in fact. Again, would you not take a critique of Capitalism written by Karl Marx with a grain of salt?

P.S. - regarding the Robertson quote about Communism...you have to understand the context. There was no reason to identify Marx as "a Jew" other than to imply a conspiracy of high manitude in which "a cabal of bankers" (read: Jews) have been manipulating countries since the Freemasons, and Communism was another attempt by the "bankers" (read:Jews) to implement the New World Order. This conspiracy theory has been around since the original pogroms and was used in part as justification for the Final Solution by Hitler. Research "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion".
Call me old-fashioned, but repackaging a myth that helped spark the Holocaust ranks pretty high up on my scale of prejudice and bigotry.

No, he is not my conservative!
Pat's well -documented opinion of Jews is most decidedly negative, . . and hence qualifies as "anti" , though the definition of Semite includes both Arabs and Jews, as it comes from Shem, the son of Noah, . . so, technically he is historically anti - Jew, anti - Israel, and anti - Zionist.

That said, while I abhor his world view, I don't look on his writing as a reflection on this forum, because it is simply an opinion, and this is an opinion forum. Pat Buchanan's words reflect only on Pat Buchanan, and reading them here doesn't make Town Hall responsible for them. Certainly the comments reflect the forum more than the column! It is good to publish controversy and allow dissent to be aired. It is our responsibilty to Town Hall to debate such controversial writings in intelligent and reasoned terms and avoid the name-calling for name-calling's sake! Leave that tripe for KOS and company! If we think Pat's a twit, fine, . . but evidence and reason must prevail, as we are the reflection of Town Hall, not Pat!

Buchanan's anti-semitism
I don't believe Buchanan is an anti-semite in the sense of one wanting to see Israel destroyed and all Jews eliminated. He apparently believes Jews have too much influence in our foreign and domestic policies. I don't know if that's true or not. But it is what it is. He might even be blaming them for our being a target of islamofacism. I don't believe that since even if the Islamo's got their wish, elimination of Jews, we'd end up being the next target anyway. In their view, they have plenty of reasons to hate us independent of our support for Israel. My guess is that Buchanan finds himself in a conservative echo chamber, with dozens of others saying basicly the same things. How to stand out from the crowd? Play the gadfly! Move over Arianna Huffington. Conservatives don't love me enough to make me their leader, so I'll become a pain in their azz. Let's see. What are the lefties saying about Bush--"Bush lied, men died". Yeah! I'll use that one. And I'll express my feminine side by crying over the innocents the Israelies are killing. Moral superiority! Those Cons hate that!

EpsilonDao
Thanks for getting some of Pat's quotes out there. The ones you've chosen are among those most frequently cited as evidence of his anti-semitism. I'll address them in order, but the general idea here is to give the author the benefit of the doubt and read him charitably rather than reading into difficulty statements something that isn't apparent.

First, as to the Hitler comment, this quote recognizes how Hitler used his talents and skills for very misguided purposes. Where's the hatred for the Jewish people in that?

Second, about the quote on Treblinka, All he did was point out that the story - Germans killed hundreds of thousands via diesel engines producing carbon monoxide - doesn't fit the facts. Diesel engines don't generate enough carbon monoxide to kill people quickly and regularly enough. It wouldn't be the right way to kill people in an industrial fashion. Too many would survive after the time the Germans supposedly used. The Germans would have come up with something more efficient. So the story doesn't explain things - and that's all Buchanan pointed out.

Third, "the pressure of the Jews" comment came about in a discussion with Reagan over his concerns that the Israeli lobby had too much influence over the affairs of the US government. Admittedly, "pressure of the Jews" does carry a negative connotation, but the referent is the Jewish lobby in the US on Israel's bahalf and is not a reference to the Jewish people as a whole.

Fourth, how is saying that Congress is "Israeli occupied territory" expressing hatred of the Jewish people? There is a difference between arguing for an America First foreign policy rather than a Israel First one and saying that the Jewish race is inferior, lesser, or condemned. Pat is not saying anything of the latter in this comment. It is a well-known fact that the Israeli lobby wields vast influience in Washington, and Pat wants things to be otherwise - not because he is anti-semitic but because he is pro-American.

While Pat Buchanan is certainly critical of the Israeli government and the foothold its lobby has in Washington, I have yet to see anything he's said constituting an avowed hatred of the Jewish people.

Dealing with the terrorists...
... is a lot like dealing with non-Euclidian geometry. Frankly, it is hard for any person raised with anything apporoaching western values or who values individual life and liberty can even begin to deal with people who have absolutely no regard for individual life and liberty. There is no way to coerce, let alone encourage or urge somebody without understanding thir value system. Diplomats and high ranking politicians have a duty to understand, and even they don't. The general western world is totally clueless. Whether it is a true story or not, the story about how Gen Pershing executed muslims with bullets coated with pig guts and let one go to warn the rest what was in store, is an example of a creative and potentially more effective approach than reliance on smart bombs.

But it is also unrealistic to expect radical muslims to lay down their arms for any reason, whatsoever. They have demonstrated over and over that they have no respect for or understanding of our value system. They will continue to be a raging boil or malignant cancer on the rest of the world forever unless they can be neutered in some way.

Diplomacy only seems to muddy the water and reduce the clarity of the difference in values. But the value differences are insurmountable and non-negotiable.

Oh...commentary
Buchanan quote #1 - admiring words for a man who systematically persecuted and slaughtered Jews.

Buchanan quote #2 - Holocaust denial (or at least specific areas of)...yep, 6 million Jews killed...but it didn't really happen...it was all a Jewish conspiracy, right?

Buchanan quote #3 - Drawing a moral parallel between the people who were killed in the Final Solution and the people who put them there. Yes you can say, “well they were all victims of war”, but that is really a stretch don’t ya think? I don’t think most people will agree with you that members of the SS (Hitler’s elite units) were as innocent of wrongdoing as the concentration camp Jews.

I’m not even touching the last two as I think I’ve made my point. And these are but a fraction of quotes and causes he has aligned himself with around this same premise.

I am not saying that he advocates killing Jews. I am not saying that he thinks they should have separate water fountains or anything.

But, the guy seriously has a chip on his shoulder where Israel and Judaism is concerned. He seems to be obsessed with “Jewish conspiracies” that involve everything from manipulating American politics to exaggerating the Holocaust. He is predisposed to lean towards ideas and causes that dissuade the “Jewish cabal”. That’s pretty much the definition of “prejudice” and “bigotry”.

And since “Anti-Semitism” is defined as “Hostility or prejudice against Jews or Judaism” the term fits.

It IS our war....
...it is part of World War III, in which an amorphous non-state, Jihadistan, attacks the rest of the world in an attempt to establish a new Caliphate, based on its adherents' twisted view of Islam. This action is just the latest battle in that war, in which we and Israel are de facto, if not de jure, allies.

Pat, why don't you just pull the covers over your head for the duration, and let the rest of us worry about the big, bad world.

Hey Zapper
My mistake, and you are correct, I did wrongly post Robertson quotes.

And I did wrongly accuse him of racism. "Bigoted" and "Prejudice" were a better choice of words.

Here are a few of Buchanan's quotes

[Despite Hitler's anti-Semitic and genocidal tendencies, he was] an individual of great courage.... Hitler's success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood in his path.

Writing of "group fantasies of martyrdom," Buchanan challenged the historical record that thousands of Jews were gassed to death by diesel exhaust at Treblinka: "Diesel engines do not emit enough carbon monoxide to kill anybody." (New Republic, 10/22/90)

At a White House meeting, Buchanan reportedly reminded Jewish leaders that they were "Americans first" -- and repeatedly scrawled the phrase "Succumbing to the pressure of the Jews" in his notebook. Buchanan was credited with crafting Ronald Reagan's line that the SS troops buried at Bitburg were "victims just as surely as the victims in the concentration camps." (New York Times, 5/16/85; New Republic, 1/22/96)

After Cardinal O'Connor criticized anti-Semitism during the controversy over construction of a convent near Auschwitz, Buchanan wrote: "If U.S. Jewry takes the clucking appeasement of the Catholic cardinalate as indicative of our submission, it is mistaken. When Cardinal O'Connor of New York seeks to soothe the always irate Elie Wiesel by reassuring him 'there are many Catholics who are anti-Semitic'...he speaks for himself. Be not afraid, Your Eminence; just step aside, there are bishops and priests ready to assume the role of defender of the faith." (New Republic, 10/22/90)

Referred to Capitol Hill as "Israeli-occupied territory." (St. Louis Post Dispatch, 10/20/90)


Buchanan = twit
This column indicates a lack of understanding that is almost unbelievable. I can't believe I once voted for this twit.

Buchanan is starting to remind me of a knuckle-headed American isolationist, circa 1940, claiming that the war with Hitler was strictly a European affair. Hasn't this guy ever read a history book?

Or has he forgotten the terrorist attacks that Hezbollah has already carried out against the United States? Maybe the Israelis can get us a little payback for those 241 U.S. Marines.

If Islamofascists like Hezbollah do ever manage to wipe Israel off the map, they're not going to stop there...they'll just keep going. Europe will be next, and then us.

As for the Christian angle, Buchanan doesn't sound like much of a Christian to me. A true Christian would be as sensitive to the suffering of innocent Muslims--and to the suffering of the Jews cowering in bomb shelters across northern Israel--as to the suffering of fellow Christians. I seriously doubt Jesus of Nazareth would encourage his followers to protect other Christians and let the rest of the world go to hell.

I believe this IS our war, for two reasons.

First, the survival of the state of Israel and the security of its people is a matter of honor for the United States. We've all seen what happened to the Jews in the 1940s--they've suffered enough.

Second, I seem to recall that we are engaged in a war on terrorism. The only thing radical Islam understands is force, and thanks to the American left we seem to be a little squeamish about using force ourselves. The Israelis are doing our work for us. We should be applauding them, not begging them to show "restraint."

Buchanan = twit
This column indicates a lack of understanding that is almost unbelievable. I can't believe I once voted for this twit.

Buchanan is starting to remind me of a knuckle-headed American isolationist, circa 1940, claiming that the war with Hitler was strictly a European affair. Hasn't this guy ever read a history book?

Or has he forgotten the terrorist attacks that Hezbollah has already carried out against the United States? Maybe the Israelis can get us a little payback for those 241 U.S. Marines.

If Islamofascists like Hezbollah do ever manage to wipe Israel off the map, they're not going to stop there...they'll just keep going. Europe will be next, and then us.

As for the Christian angle, Buchanan doesn't sound like much of a Christian to me. A true Christian would be as sensitive to the suffering of innocent Muslims--and to the suffering of the Jews cowering in bomb shelters across northern Israel--as to the suffering of fellow Christians. I seriously doubt Jesus of Nazareth would encourage his followers to protect other Christians and let the rest of the world go to hell.

I believe this IS our war, for two reasons.

First, the survival of the state of Israel and the security of its people is a matter of honor for the United States. We've all seen what happened to the Jews in the 1940s--they've suffered enough.

Second, I seem to recall that we are engaged in a war on terrorism. The only thing radical Islam understands is force, and thanks to the American left we seem to be a little squeamish about using force ourselves. The Israelis are doing our work for us. We should be applauding them, not begging them to show "restraint."

Mr. Buchanan
Mr. Buchanan is not always easily understood. Sometimes agreeing with him is distasteful. The writings of great Patriots are filled with wisdom worth pondering.

Your efforts will not go without reward.

GEM

EpsilonDao
Your quotes are of Pat Robertson, who, I suspect, would agree with Israel's actions these days.

Nevertheless, your quotes provide me an opportunity to separate the wheat from the cahff when it somes to what is antisemitism really is.

As to the first quote, if this is evidence of hatred of the Jewish people, it is also evidence of hating Germans. Are you accusing Pat Robertson of anti-Germanism? Robertson's statement is either true or false, but it doesn't carry any hatred with it.

As to the second quote, it is not anti-semitic to teach the Bible. The Bible, after all, was written by Jewish people. The comment about God not answering the prayer of a Jew is in the context of an unbelieving Jewish person. Pat Robertson does believe that God hears the prayer of Jewish people who believe in Messiah Yeshua. Anti-semitism is the hatred of Jewish people, not a recitation of what he thinks is the Bible's teaching on God's relation to the prayers of believers and unbelievers.

My request still is out there: Evidence, please, of Pat Buchanan's hatred of Jewish people, or else stop the name-calling.

movwater
True, true,...I should have been more specific.

Israel did not take one centimeter of land that was allocated to the Palestinians by the UN charter (Palestinian land) until they liberated it from their Arab neighbors during one of the numerous wars of aggression started by the same Arabs.

Using that terminology, Jordan holds more "Palestinian land" than Israel ever did.

RedinMass
I agree that Pat is mostly an isolationist, but not entirely. But, that does not explain away his many other statements or his revising the age-old "cabal of bankers" (read: Jews) conspiracy theory in his book "New World Order".

As far as us "name-calling", it helps to take a someone's previous stance into consideration when reading their work. Would you trust a review of a book on Capitalism written by Karl Marx?

And, Pat didn't seem to be quite the isolationist when calling for Hugo Chavez's assassination. Granted, that's not a ground war, but I doubt it was what Washington meant when he warned us not to get involved in foreign conflicts.

That being said, I don't think he should be banned from TH. Obviously, everyone here has read his column, and as long as people continue to want it, Townhall should provide it.

Pat's Rant
I really don't know where all of the "Christians" are that Pat is referring to are, the kind that make obnoxious spectacles of themselves in the public square,while deriding the most beleagured and persecuted people in the history of the world, for defending themselves against the WORST barbarians humanity has ever encountered.
What an astonishing column Mr. Buchanan has submitted!
The Christians in our Ministry are all praying earnestly for our Jewish brethren's victory and continued survival against this dangerous, vicious, and mutual enemy that we ALL face.


qstnZapper
Proof?

here are two quotes I found after 30 seconds of looking:

The New World Order, (1991), p.17; "Communism was the brainchild of German-Jewish intellectuals."

Petersburg Times, June 26, 1994; Bailey Smith, a founding father of Robertson's Christian Coalition, once told 15,000 people at a Religious Roundtable briefing in Dallas, "With all due respect to those dear people, my friend, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew."

Jews being "spiritually blind" and "spiritually deaf." (ST. PETERSBURG
TIMES, June 26, 1994)

This does not even include the much worse statements made by people in his organization. I have left those out because they cannot be directly linked to him.

Slugger
...your comments show a lack of understanding of the local history.

The Israelis did not take a single centimeter of "Palestinian" land (Gaza, West Bank, Golan Heights, etc) until they had been attacked multiple times by their neighbors.

It has very little to do with oil. Even the lands they "took" have very little oil on them.

A Few things....
Firstly - Pat does have a long history of Anti-Semitic and bigoted statements. That being said, it doesn't bother me that he is a columnist here. He is a lot less offensive and a heck of a lot more eloquent and intelligent than PGirl.

PGirl – please do conservatives a favor and tone down your rhetoric. We have a hard enough time shedding the “racist” label without you reinforcing the stereotype. Every time I argue with a liberal and I compliment how intelligently and calmly we debate on this site, I have to add the “Pgirl clause” which is “well, USUALLY we are like that”
On the other hand, in America we have freedom of speech, so you are free to be a racist idiot I suppose.

Danindc – Israel isn’t “punishing” anyone. I believe the phrase is “In an air war, there are no civilians”. Israel is trying to shut down an entrenched enemy that has infiltrated the civilian populace, you can’t shut down the electricity for Hezbollah without doing the same for all of the nearby buildings as well (if you did, Hezbollah would just relocate).
Ground troops would be more precise, but would also open up a whole different can of worms.

Pat – “A second is a small thing called the Constitution. Where does George W. Bush get the authority to launch a war on Iran? When did Congress declare war or authorize a war on Iran?
Answer: It never did. But these neoconservatives care no more about the Constitution than they cared about the truth when they lied into war in Iraq. “
Well yeah, Pat. As long as you don’t look into any of the federal laws or Supreme Court Ruling that have been written past then. I think you may want to try reading the “War Powers Act” which allows the President to declare war and Congress is allowed to withhold funding, but not direct the troops.

No, this is not 'our war'
I can't go along with those of you who wish Pat Buchanan be banned from Townhall. He's not anti-Jew, but he does have a blind spot, a dangerous blind spot for the U.S. He's not alone when it comes to refusing to face the enemy the entire world must face. If we refuse to recognize that this enemy is bent on the destruction of freedom as we know it whether they attack our friends or each of us individually here in the U.S., we will lose our precious freedom. This is going to be a long war and innocents are going to die, be they Christian, Jew or anyone else. But this war must be won by us and we must be willing to do whatever we have to to win. I, for one, am determined that my grandchildren live free no matter what I may have to do. I shall not turn my back on an innocent just because the brutal violence is not specifically directed at me in the moment. How many of you are willing to do that? Not many I suspect -- and because of that, we just may lose this war.

This is not our war
Buchanan is totally right. And the US should withdraw all its financial and weapons support from Israel and require the rogue country to pay back the billions we have given them. It's not our fault that Israelis have no land with oil. It is our fault if we let the take other lands with oil.

Not our war
Hezbollah, Hamas, the Palestinian Authority, Syria, Iran, al Qaeda, Tabiban, the Wahhabi sect, are all branches of the same root, Islam. This is our war.

Evidence, please
Where is the evidence that Pat Buchanan has expressed a hatred for Jewish people as opposed to criticisms of the state of Israel's activities? For all the accusations being thrown against him, I have found zero evidence. If you have such evidence, please share it. Otherwise, stop the name calling and let's stick to intellectual sparring.

neocons lied into war with Iraq?
Oh please, I can't believe Pat would fall into the "Bush lied, people died" camp. Since you don't seem to follow the facts, Pat, let me remind you that the liberal "Bush lied" position was about the infamous "16 words" he stated in a state of the union speeach about Iraq seeking uranium ore from Nigeria. Not only has this proven to be true, but his accuser (Joe Wilson) has proven to the be biggest liar of all, including his lie that his wife had nothing to do with his boon-dongle to Nigeria. And WMD's? I guess you're turning a blind eye at the 500-and-counting mustard and nerve gas munitions which, by international accords, are WMD's. Saddam had WMD's, he used WMD's in the past, and had the capability and intent to produce and use more. The only lie here is your own disregard for the truth!

Historical perspective
Gee, I think that Pat is at least right about declaring war. As for the rest I recommend that after Israel is destroyed and Hezbolla et al. come after us we start by giving them Michigan as it will probably be mostly Shia Arab by then anyway.

88, Pat!
If Canada launched 1 missle over the Lake Erie, Paddy would be screaming for the US to nuke Toronto and to hell with all the Christians who live there (and with waiting for a Congressional declaration of war).

Of course, any columnist who has to write, "None of this is written in defense of Hamas, Hezbollah or Iran," is obviously defending Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran (also Syria and Iraq, in passing). Proof, once again, that "extreme right" and "extreme left" meet at the same place: "anti-Zionism."

This is not to say that I want Pat off TH. A quick review shows Pat has been present for most of the train wrecks in modern conservative politics, from being the last shill in the bunker with Nixon, to permanently crippling the Reform Party. In fairness, he did work briefly with Reagan as well. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut on occasion. Still, Pat is useful as a sort of barometer for conservatives -- read his columns, then take the opposite position. And there's no difference between his postion on the Islamo-Nazis of today, than of the 1930's America First position of the original Nazis.

wow
the older i get the more i'm convinced that all religon is bad for the world. it sure seems to inspire an incredible amount of hate and war. kill, kill, kill. funny how so many folks find the rapper music violent while they are calling for the death of others every day. who would jesus nuke? we can't hear moderate muslums any more than we can hear moderate christians. who provides a venue for them to be heard?

Make Pat wear an armband
That is such a liberal approach. "That person just said something I disagree with. He must be an anti-Semite!" Stop with the 12 year old name calling, if some of you are even being serious instead of inflammatory as a joke.

I support Israel's actions over the last several weeks and disagree with Buchanan's read on the situation, however as others have said, he's first and foremost an Isolationist. Maybe his book title "A Republic, not an Empire" might give some of you a clue.

So quit your lame posts about yanking Buchanan off the site because he doesn't talk like Sean Hannity. Divergent views are good, they make us think. Grow up.

Anti-semitic? Not a chance
It's a shame that the charge of anti-semitism is thrown around so often. It used to be the case that such a charge was reserved for those who demonstrated an explicit hatred of the Jewish people by advocating their eradication or arguing for their inferiority. Now, however, anyone who voices any concerns about how the state of Israel conducts iself is shouted down as an anti-semite. Thus, someone like Pat Buchann who disagrees with the Israeli assault on the Lebanese civilian infrastructure finds not just opposition to his views but calls for his tongue and pen to silence his opining.

Sadly, the charge of anti-semitism has become something like the charge of fundamentalism. Fundamentalism actually rose at the turn of the 20th century in response to the corruption of Christian doctrine caused by modernist philosophies in the Church. Now, as philosopher Alvin Plantinga at Notre Dame has noted, it often means nothing more than, "That S.O.B. with whom I disagree and who shouldn't be allowed to speak." It has not intellectual value anymore. It has become an emotive vent of spite and nothing more.

Whether you agree with Pat or disagree with him in his criticism of the state of Israel's actions in South Lebanon these days, let's do everyone a favor and reserve the charge of anti-semitism for those who really do express a hatred for God's chosen people.

Yes Pat, This IS Our War
The enemy has made that clear. According to their OWN statements, they plan to target American interests as well as Israeli, whether or not we help them. Therefore destroying Hezbollah is in America's best interest, and we should give Israel whatever aid (even if only political) the situation requires. To those accusing Buchanan of anti-Semitism, you are jumping to false conclusions. I've read many of his articles and books and know that's not true. He is, however, extremely isolationist, and that is the source of his opinion here. I generally deplore our current role as "world policeman" as well, but I have no problem with aiding foreign causes that contribute to American welfare.

The man who honored the Waffen SS
How could such a man be an anti-Semite? We know that Pat Buchanan represents the worst of bigotry. He sheds his tears at the suffering of Lebonese Christians, but utters not a word (nor, I believe, does he feel any sorrow) for the suffering of the innocent Jews who have been the victims of Islamic terror far too long. Long live the state of Israel and God speed in its battle against evil.

PearlieGirl:
Stop holding back. Tell us what you REALLY think.

LOL

However, I think I agree with you, though in a more subdued fashion. At least in your assessment, if not your rabid hyperbole.

Hey. Surprises me, too.


PearlGirl....
It's medication time, medication time...

Nurse Ratchet

Buchanan's Isolationism
Before any who disagree with Pat go screeching anti-Semite and call for his Townhall expulsion, they should consider that Buchanan has generally been an isolationist on foreign policy. This tendency to immediately leap to inflammatory conclusions and engage in ad hominum attacks is despicable enough, but the calls for immediate censure and silence are even worse - liberalism. In an era that allows fifth (filth) columnists to openly operate among us in a time of war, Pat deserves no less consideration.

While I don't necessarily support his views, I support Pat's right to so express them and allow such to prevail or perish in the marketplace of ideas, just as the fathers meant it to be.

Pats problem
Is the same as other anti-Israel people: Israel is full of Jews. Pat thinks we can support whomever we like-unless it is Israel.

Its a country with a freely elected government, where non-Jews serve in positions in government, and civil rights are protected. The Palestinians rejected statehood on three different occaisions.

The problem is the bloodthirsty cultists don't want to play nice with the Jewish state. They would rather sacrifice themselves killing citizens in Israel so they can be kept like dogs by their Hamas masters.

For a Christian you would think he would have more empathy for the 1000 rockets fired into Israel since they marched the populace out of Gaza.

I think Israel should take back Gaza and station troops in southern Lebanon. If the UN tells them to leave, the response should be: I invite you to remove us.

buchanan article
I don't think Buchanan is an anti-semite. And given the disaster over our involvement in Iraq, Buchanan is proving to be more prescient than the neo-cons or Bush. Face it, Bush was, and is, clueless on Iraq.
I do disagree with Buchanan on Lebanon. Lebanon is at least 60% Muslim, mostly Shia, and far from being anti-hezbollah, many Lebanese, probably a majority, support hezbollah. From a strictly military standpoint, Israel is acting rationally. From a political standpoint, it is not.

Israel
This is the war America has refused to fight. A few hundred Americans died because of Hezbollah and we never responded. Israel is defending itself against Islamic-Nazism. Young boys have been kidnapped by these terrors. In Israel they are called children, not soldiers because they are only 19 and 20 year olds. Ronald Reagan let 241 of our brave boys die in Lebanon and never responded. Lebanon's country may be ravished, but that's what happens when you make a home for evil. There are no American citizens in Lebanon. These are Hezbollah supporters from places like Dearborn, Michigan. Please, remove Pat from townhall.com. Let him write for our good neighbors in Dearborn, Michigan.

Poor Lebanon
After complaining that Israel is using weapons provided by the US, later Mr. Buchanan states: "And, again, Hezbollah attacked Israel, not us."

So, rather than ask the US to come to their rescue, Israel strikes back at Hezbollah. The bombing of infrastructure in Lebanon is to prevent the Hezbollah from getting resupplied. Had the Lebanese Government done their job, disarming Hezbollah, then they would not have been able to attack Israel. So, the plight of the Lebanese people today is due to the impotence of their own government.

Israel is doing what any country should do under the circumstances.

Until Mr. Buchanan figures out another way to protect Israel from these savages, Hezbollah and Hamas via Iran and Syria, he should just sit down and shut up!

Pat Buchanan: notorious anti-Semite
I am honestly astounded that you would allow this virulent anti-semite space in Town Hall.

Patrick Buchanan can speak on any topic he wishes, but his credibility and authority are reduced to zero by the same words that keep flashing in front of his face: "Anti-semite". Just like Robert Novak, Patrick Buchanan has ruined his reputation by his bigoted and factually inaccurate venting of his anti-Jewish, anti-Israel spleen.

Town Hall must not condone these bilious anti-Israel rantings of Pat Buchanan.

Buchanan asks where the Christians are. Allow me to enlighten him. They are on their knees praying for Israel's speedy and decisive victory, and for Arab terrorism - and anti-semitism - to be vanquished once and for all.

Steve Myers
Editor
Page One Daily


jonathan, please
Jon,

You're obviously Jewish, so while I applaud your loyalty to the cause, I think you're misguided. Israel is punishing Lebanese Christians and as a Christian, Buchanan is pissed off about their torment. He conceded if Israel wants to be punitive they should invade Southern Lebanon and clean out those Muslim savages but don't bomb the Lebanese infrastructure thus taking down the country and punishing countless civilians. As far as Bill Kristol is concerned, he surely has dual loyalties and wants the US to take care of Israel's problems- just send US troops in (it also doesn't help that the Jews are way underrepresented in the US military).

As far as "voting off" Buchanan- why don't you make an argument instead of trying to silence someone else.

True Conservatives
True Conservatives put America first NOT Israel, Pat Buchanan as usual is right on. If anything we need to vote for more patriots of Pat's persuasion onto Townhall.com --

True Conservatives
We should take a vote and see if people want to vote Patrick J. Buchanan off of TownHall.com. He is very Anti-Semitic.

Jonathan
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