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Friday, June 19, 2009
Oliver North :: Townhall.com Columnist
Relics of Communism
by Oliver North
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ST. PETERSBURG, Russia -- "What are you Americans thinking?" asked the young woman in perfect, if slightly accented, English. She was wearing a name tag with "Marie" in both Cyrillic and Latin print and had greeted us pleasantly when we ducked out of the rain and into her store to buy postcards and mementos for our grandchildren. Her question about American "thinking" came in the midst of a conversation about how dramatically life in Russia had changed during her 27 brief years.

"What do you mean?" I replied.

"What are you Americans thinking about freedom?" Marie asked.

Somewhat perplexed, I answered: "We think individual liberty is wonderful. Why do you ask?"

Her response was a reproach: "Why isn't America supporting freedom for the people of Iran?"

My meandering rejoinder about "uncertainty" and "unique challenges" was unsatisfying to both of us -- a tawdry example of my inability to criticize our government while in a foreign country. A few hours after this encounter, our ship sailed into the Baltic Sea, past the nearly abandoned base at Kronshtadt, once a stronghold of the no-longer-mighty Soviet navy. Seeing its now-dilapidated structures and rusting hulls was a reminder that we have not always had a problem explaining what America stands for.

Twenty-two years ago this month, President Ronald Reagan stood at the Brandenburg Gate, in Berlin, boldly pointed to the barrier dividing the city, and declared: "There is one sign the Soviets can make that would be unmistakable, that would advance dramatically the cause of freedom and peace. General Secretary Gorbachev, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe … Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"

President Reagan's words were the knockout punch that buckled the knees of the Soviet empire. While some may think it was just a great line in a speech, Marie and tens of millions of other once-captive people know better. The challenge Mr. Reagan issued in the heart of Europe precipitated the end of a tyrannical system that had bullied, enslaved and murdered three generations of human beings for more than six decades. It wasn't just a sound bite. It was a consistent part of what Ronald Reagan said he wanted to achieve as president of the United States.

The "tear down this wall" line in President Reagan's 1987 speech in Berlin was the culmination of a clearly articulated course of action that began in the opening days of his administration. Despite near-unanimous opposition from the so-called mainstream media, foreign governments, elected Democrats, and even some in his own party, Mr. Reagan was always clear about what he believed to be best for our country: ending the threat of totalitarian communism. In May 1981, at the University of Notre Dame, just weeks after nearly being killed by an assassin's bullet, Mr. Reagan fearlessly predicted that in the years ahead, "The West will not contain communism; it will transcend communism."

Mr. Reagan's wholesale rejection of more than three decades of failed Cold War foreign policy was met with horror by the political elite, media pundits and striped-pants diplomats around the world. But people behind the Iron Curtain were listening -- and heartened. At home, the president set out to make his stated goal a reality.

He described the Soviet Union to be an "evil empire" and declared that the U.S. would build a 600-ship Navy and start work on a defense system to protect the American people from attack by Soviet ballistic missiles. In 1983, he sent the U.S. Marines, U.S. Army Rangers and the 82nd Airborne Division to Grenada to prevent American medical students on the island from being taken hostage.

Because his plain, unequivocal talk educated and inspired the American people, their representatives in Congress voted overwhelmingly to give him what was needed to get the job done. Allies and adversaries knew what the United States stood for and what to expect. Sadly, that's no longer the case, and that's why Marie asked her question in St. Petersburg.

In the aftermath of last week's fatally flawed elections in Iran, President Barack Obama responded by saying, "I can't state definitively one way or another what happened with respect to the election." That was hardly a resounding statement of support for freedom. No wonder Marie asked why America isn't supporting freedom for the people of Iran. The Iranian people undoubtedly are wondering the same thing. And Barack Obama's message to them is that "it's not productive, given the history of U.S.-Iranian relations, to be seen as meddling."

It's a good thing for people in this part of the world that Ronald Reagan never thought of U.S. efforts to help people escape tyranny as "meddling."

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No Right Duty or Responsibility Part 1
America does not have the right, duty or obligation to meddle in the affairs of foreign nations without the express permission of that government and its people.

We have seen since WWII the policy of Interventionism, American Imperialism/Adventurism have earned us nothing of value and wasted trillions in taxpayer dollars and cost lives of our citizens.

Republicans lost the Korean War, yet we still spend untold billions because we cannot admit defeat.

Republicans lost the Vietnam War and later MacNamara testifed before congress that he knew it was a mistake all along. Where was his moral courage to say enough!

Both these wars were officially launched to stop the spread of Communism. However we have bequeated "most favored trading partner" status on China-the world's biggest Communist nation proving that the Cold War itself was based on false or dishonest premises.

Reagan "won" the Cold War by bankrupting the Soviet Union in an arms race only to spill loose nukes and nuclear technology into the black market were they were picked up by North Korea, Pakistan, Libya and other "friends" of peace. All beacuse he did not think of consequences. Thanks Reagan. You have greatly endangered the U.S.

Republicans under Bush lost the Afghanistan war and the Iraq War. Now Obama is trying to bail the U.S. out of its quagmire. Will it work? Republicans now want him to fail. Very patriotic folks!


No Right Duty or Responsibility Part 2
To top it off in recent history, after 9/11 Bush gave the Bin Laden family a free ride out of the country no questions asked, disbanded the CIA's "Bin Laden unit in 2005 ending the search for the world's #1 terrorist, failed to adequately guard our southern border with troops or a wall allowing the Mexican invasion to continue since Reagan legalized the illegals and resisted container inspection to allow WMDs to slip into our country undetected to be used against America in the future.

The history of our war policy after WWII shows that it has no merit. The threat of war is not genuine but a facade to prop up and justify spending for the Military-Industrial Complex and to stoke fear and public obediance.

America must return to General Washington's urgins to "avoid foreign entanglments" especially with people who share neither our history, language, culture, religion or interests as a free people.

Military Interventionism has sometime been used to claim that "Democracy is on the march". But as we have seen billions drained from the public coffers to prop up Dictator Mushareff in Pakistan, the apartheid governmnet of Israls, billions more going to Saudi Princes, and Chinese slavemaster, the failure to recognize Hamas (the democratically elected representative to the Palestinians) and calls for assassination of democratically elected Hugo Chavez. Because of all this hypocracy, we must not believe that democracy has anything to do with America's policy of foreign military adventurism. It is a demonstrably failed policy of the United States.

Iran is not Eastern europe
Eastern europe was given over to Soviet hegemony by the Roosevelt Administration .
Iran should not be interfered with. The vote was fair as concluded by the Washington Post. This attack by Col. North and all the neocon trash (I deeply regret that col. North is helping neocon trash) is plain hate propaganda . Iran is not our enemy and we have nothing to fear from them . Our enemy is from within ! We have open borders and are being invaded by third world illegals yet col. North will not write anything about this threat to our way of life .

Nothing to fear from Iran???
Joseph, please get your head out of the sand! Iran was one of the main suppliers of weapons agains the US and UN military in Iraq, which by the way, the "people" had asked for our help in that situation, so we did not think, "Hmmmm, I think it's time to start a war, so let's attack Iraq" as many liberals seem to think. It is highly unlilkely that a tyranical government will ask for "help" to liberate it from its people, (see First's comments about when we should "interfere") but the help cries are from the people who are being oppressed by the tyranical government. All of you folks who think Communism is a good thing should live under its rules for a few years. You will then appreciate the freedom you take for granted here in our homeland.

Ollie, the hack
"...It's a good thing for people in this part of the world that Ronald Reagan never thought of U.S. efforts to help people escape tyranny as "meddling."..."

You never did have the backbone to stand up but good god, Ollie, you operated in this part of the world and you know better. Reagan was in a position to do something; the Soviet Union was a tottering relic and surrounded by US allies. A better analogy would be Bush 1 encouraging the Shiites to revolt against Saddam and then abandoning them. Remember that slaughter? Obama is doing exactly the right thing and shame on you for not admitting it.

Military Take Over of White House
Mr. North, don't you agree that it is time for the military to save we Americans from the Kenyan usurper in our oval office? We are in need now,,,,,so, let's get it done and over with, eh?

The citizens of the USA are being held hostage....HELP!

Diane - anti Constituton/anti America
"Date: Jun 19, 2009 - 7:04 AM EST
Military Take Over of White House
Mr. North, don't you agree that it is time for the military to save we Americans from the Kenyan usurper in our oval office? We are in need now,,,,,so, let's get it done and over with, eh?..."

WOW the American people retake control of the country and all you reactionaries want to toss out the Constitution and install a dictatorship of some sort. Heck, why aren't you supporting your kindred spirits, the mullahs?

Still not in jail
Again Ollie, you have no credibility when it comes to diplomacy matters. You make some good point, but offer no substance. Seriously, what's the alternative?

And again, why aren't you in jail?

Stupid, Stupid Hal
Constitutionally, the military has the responsibility to take over the White House when treason is being committed from the oval office.

You are a very little man,,,,,

Troll v. Troll??

Geez, Louise, who pooped in your post toasties, people?


Diane
"Date: Jun 19, 2009 - 8:14 AM EST
Stupid, Stupid Hal
Constitutionally, the military has the responsibility to take over the White House when treason is being committed from the oval office...."

Only in a banana republic definitely not under our constitution. NEVER!

"...You are a very little man,,,,,"

and you are still "anti Constituton/anti America "

Stand Up for America!
Reagan embodiesd every red-blooded American value that Obama does not! Courage, strength of character, ethics, morals, principles, patriotism...the list could go on and on!

In the "Real World"
"First" wrote a nice Libertarian dissertation that looks good on paper, but does not stand up to the "Real World" test. Washington's isolationist leanings could work well in the 18th century, when it took months of miserable sea travel to launch any attack on America. Today a brainwashed maniac with a suitcase full of uranium can do it with little difficulty. A nerd in Bejing can do it in his sleep. Rich pseudo-sheiks can do it over the course of a couple of days by manipulating the oil supply. Isolationism DOES NOT WORK ANYMORE!

In the "Real World", America has a choice of engaging on the world stage, including "meddling in foriegn affairs" when our national interests are at stake, or we can sit on our hands and suffer the much lamented consequences of our inaction. I prefer that America pursue our national interests globally. Do you not recognize that every other nation in the world does the same? Do you really think we can sit here on the sidelines and continue to prosper?

Another thing, I don't know if anyone posting here has ever served in the US military, or has traveled outside the US, but you must recognize what the promise of American liberty means to the rest of the world. Reagan described it as "The shining city on the hill" and that is a good analogy for how people around the world look at the US (except of course those brainwashed stooges of the Muslims). We owe it to the rest of the world to not only stand for Liberty, but to do our best to spread it worldwide! We're like a man who finds a pot of gold in a village of the destitute. He has a right to keep it to himself, but he has a RESPONSIBILITY to share it with his neighbors. Do you really hate the rest of the world so much that you prefer to leave them in slavery and misery rather than streach out your hand to them in friendship???

Hal Doofus Tries To Be Somebody
"You never did have the backbone to stand up but good god, Ollie, you operated in this part of the world and you know better. Reagan was in a position to do something; the Soviet Union was a tottering relic and surrounded by US allies.......Remember that slaughter? Obama is doing exactly the right thing and shame on you for not admitting it."

Doofus in a few years you will be forgotten, simply because you never did anything. It must bother you terribly that Col. North is a "bird col." and will be remembered long after you are dead and gone. Whether you agree with Col. North or not, he will be remembered.

PS: Your above statement is incorrect Doofus. O'Vomit is not doing anything because he is a "rookie" in foreign politics and he never had the "deep seated" love of the USA that President Reagan had.

Wayne
"Date: Jun 19, 2009 - 9:18 AM EST
In the "Real World"...In the "Real World", America has a choice of engaging on the world stage, including "meddling in foriegn affairs" when our national interests are at stake, or we can sit on our hands and suffer the much lamented consequences of our inaction..."

Here is your error. There is a whole scale of alternatives between isolation and invasion. Usually when given an either or choice both answers are wrong

"...Another thing, I don't know if anyone posting here has ever served in the US military, or has traveled outside the US,.."

Yes done both

"... but you must recognize what the promise of American liberty means to the rest of the world. Reagan described it as "The shining city on the hill" and that is a good analogy for how people around the world look at the US..."

You are out of touch, the failed Bush with his war of choice, torture, rendition etc tarnished that promise badly. The world is watching closely to see if Obama will return the shine.


First
You stated... "Republicans lost the Korean War, yet we still spend untold billions because we cannot admit defeat.
Republicans lost the Vietnam War and later MacNamara testifed before congress that he knew it was a mistake all along. Where was his moral courage to say enough!"

Dumba$$. Democrats were in power for both of these wars, both the presidency and congress. Nice revisionist history. Nixon ended the war, over the Democrat congress' objections.

You sir are anti-American. America has NEVER been an imperialist country. America has been a just policeman in the world.

Please move to the socialist country of your choice. Oh... this one will be socialist soon under Obama. Damn.

Gray Ghost
"Date: Jun 19, 2009 - 9:34 AM EST
Hal ... Tries To Be Somebody
"You never did have the backbone to stand up but good god, Ollie, you operated in this part of the world and you know better. Reagan was in a position to do something; the Soviet Union was a tottering relic and surrounded by US allies.......Remember that slaughter? Obama is doing exactly the right thing and shame on you for not admitting it."...in a few years you will be forgotten, simply because you never did anything..."

Remembered??? Few are remembered for long if Ollie is it will be for scandal and shame. I am very happy with my life and lucky too.

"... It must bother you terribly that Col. North is a "bird col." ..."

When did he get promoted? He retired as a LTC.

"...and will be remembered long after you are dead and gone. Whether you agree with Col. North or not, he will be remembered."

I could care less LOL



RIGHT AGAIN OLLIE

I remember Reagan's speech in Berlin. He did not say, Mr. Gorbachev, let's talk about the Berlin wall. Reagan knew the goal and told Gorbachev, 'Tear Down This Wall', never facilating. Reagan also said:

'Here's my strategy on the Cold War: We win, they lose.'

After the wall was torn down in 1989, I worked in Eastern Europe for the State Department as an advisor, along with a group of 50 other Americans. The people of the country I was in were anxious to have elections, to develop a free enterprise system and looked to America as an example to create their democracy.
It was an exciting time to be a part of assisting a country make the transition from communism to democracy and Reagan made it possible.
Now, we must defend our country from the reverse. I attended a Tea Party group meeting recently and a retired Veteran stood up during the meeting and with great passion in his voice said, "I spent my lfe defending this country from Communism and I'll be damned if I will sit by and watch it become a Communist Country now".

Mr. Obama, tear down this wall of Big Government you are building !

Big Zero did not deceive Iranians
despite of Iran's regime blaming him (through blaming the US) for it (specifically, the blame cast by Khamenei that US "instigated the riots"), as he is too busy deceiving (and suppressing those whom he cannot) Americans to be able to deceive any others!

Reba
"Date: Jun 19, 2009 - 10:16 AM EST...It was an exciting time to be a part of assisting a country make the transition from communism to democracy and Reagan made it possible...."

Here we go again Reagan HELPED make it possible. We could not have done it without our allies and the governments prior. Why is it you conservatives always seem to need a "leader" rather than leading yourselves?

"...Now, we must defend our country from the reverse. I attended a Tea Party group meeting recently and a retired Veteran stood up during the meeting and with great passion in his voice said, "I spent my lfe defending this country from Communism and I'll be damned if I will sit by and watch it become a Communist Country now"."

Let this retired veteran tell you that I spent my life defending this country and the constitution and I will not allow either to be destroyed by reactionaries trying to negate legal elections.

Hal Legal Elections??
ANY conservative who refused to show a birth certificate or his collage records would have been burned at the stake before the election!!

I'm still waiting for John Kerry's form 18.

JUNE 4, 1989
On the day that the brutal Chicoms finally crushed the Tiananmen Square Movement Ali Khomeine was being sworn in as the successor of Ayatollah Khomeine. Click my name and read my piece: Tehran 1979? Or Tianenmen Square 2009?


EXTREMIST? THAT'S ME!!
"Date: Jun 19, 2009 - 10:40 AM EST
Hal Legal Elections??
ANY conservative who refused to show a birth certificate or his collage records would have been burned at the stake before the election!!"

Obama produced the required documents - end of story. Why ever should anyone be forced to produce their military and school records for their enemy's review? Why aren't you as hung up on the failed Bush's missing military records or why his wings were not taken when he failed to show for a flight physical?

Communists and Islam
It's funny. Communism is by no means defeated. Liberals just keep renaming it. They also are very blunt in their preference of Islam over Christianity, which I think is a nod to the fact that Christianity is the one true religion.

That's the problem. Communists are making their issues into issues of religion, attempting to undermine wise policy by characterizing it as religious in nature, and then hammering away at it with separation of church and state arguments.

We're going to have to stop dancing around the subject soon. Islam IS our enemy. The ideology of the religion, at its core, is not amenable to open, democratic government. The larger challenge though is to bring atheism to heel, requiring it to operate under the same limitations in our free societies as religion already does. Communism hides itself behind simple atheism, and this needs to be openly addressed.

Ill Joseph scribbled
"Iran should not be interfered with. The vote was fair as concluded by the Washington Post."

Which lost credibility after Jack Anderson retired, and is now known by another moniker (which in British English means "drunk"--eh, maybe the British slang is NOT inapt).

Hal Donahue
"We could not have done it without our allies and the governments prior."

No one says we had no allies, Hal, but Carter DID NOT HELP. The idea that Reagan was not key to finally bringing an end to the USSR is specious.

It is the clarity of vision that his presidency lent the world that changed the way the whole world did business vis a vis communism, and it is going to take a similar shift in perspective to end the tyranny of Islam. For years people played the relativity game with communism. They are doing it now with Islam. "Islam is not the enemy. Extremist Islam is the enemy."

Read the book. All Islam is extremist Islam. And no, not all religions are alike.

In the day when Islam is no longer enforced anywhere on this planet by the sword, there may indeed evolve such a thing as a non-extremist Islam, and indeed there are pockets of non-extremist Islam, but that does not change the fact that Islam, at its core, per it holy teachings, is to be established the world over by military conquest followed by police state tactics. THAT IS THE MODEL OF ALL OF ISLAM.

Period.

Compare Judaism and Christianity to the command to overthrow non-Christians, and to make then second class citizens in any Islamic nation.

"Ex 22:21-24

21 Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt .

22 Ye shall not afflict any widow, or fatherless child.

23 If thou afflict them in any wise, and they cry at all unto me, I will surely hear their cry;

24 And my wrath shall wax hot, and I will kill you with the sword; and your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless.
KJV"

It's not for nothing you don't see a lot of heads sawed off to make political points in the west. Jesus taught better.




Tiresome Obama Birth Certificate
I don't want to insult fellow conservatives, but at the same time I am really sick of receiving these emails and reading these cookie cutter posts about this issue.

The man won the election fair and square. He won it by a better margin than anyone has in a long time, and Republicans have no one to blame but their own self serving politics-of-the-rich to blame for it. Polls have told the tale in exquisite detail as to why we lost. Americans think this party is in the pockets of big business, and big business in turn is seen as the source of our current economic distress.

Obama was raised in the States. He won. He produced enough documentation to at least make it close enough for government work, as the saying goes.

I would like to ask fellow conservatives to drop this issue. I really do think it looks bad on us.

FIRST -MA -- NO RIGHT DUTY OR
I also can not allow your two posts to go unchallenged. By these posts I assume you are reading "The Revisionist History for Liberals".

Your comment: "The history of our war policy after WWII shows that it has no merit. The threat of war is not genuine but a facade to prop up and justify spending for the Military-Industrial Complex and to stoke fear and public obediance."
Where were you in 1948 when Russia blocked food and supplies to East Berlin and the American military flew dangerous missions, called the Berlin Airlift, to East Berlin to provide them food and supplies.
You have never experienced as Americans did in October 1962 with a real threat of a nuclear war with Russia. You must not have ever been a military man on standby alert with your bags packed, sitting at the front door in case you were immedialty called to report to your command if the standoff between President Kennedy and Russian Premier Khrushchev resulted in a war over Russian ships bringing missiles to Cuba.

During this time Americans built bunkers, stocked supplies and prepared for a fall out in case of a nuclear war. It was a real possibility, my friend, not a facade.

Where were you in 1968 when tanks rolled into the city of Budepest and then the city of Prague, fired on the public, and dominated the countries for 20 years against their will? The US President denounced it and the USA covertly helped the Russian dominated countries of Eastern Europe during those years.

I could go on about the numerous good things that the USA has provided to countries around the world, but space does not permit. Just try to read both sides of what America has done.


Hal
Cut the crap they went through Bush's records and had to lie about them. Ask Dan Blather.

As far as anyone running for the presidentsy of the United States nothing in thier past records is confidential.

If you were in the military you must not have had a serurity clearance they crawl up your behind like a diamond miner. The president is our employee we have a right to see all his records to verify his security clearance.

Not some one sided cover up by the MSM and libs like yourself.

By the way I had my clearance went back and talked to my grade school teachers and everyone in between.

Ollie is both right and wrong
As a man of action,ready to stand up for what is right,he is right!

However,the Russian people brought down the regime without our troops at their side when they realized that the Army would not kill millions of Russians who knew just what everyone else knew- the system was a failure and had to go.

If the folks in Iran have discovered the same truth,they need not fear massive dying, the police and army will not kill millions. The mullahs will be replaced by the people,sooner or later.

Shane
your roll over and take aditude is conservativism is failing being raised is not what the constitutional requires.

You tell me why he has spent 900K to keep his records buried then I will drop the Issue.

read my previous post 1135 est. about security clearance my tha will wake you up.

OK HAL - I'LL BITE

YOUR COMMENT: "Let this retired veteran tell you that I spent my life defending this country and the constitution and I will not allow either to be destroyed by reactionaries trying to negate legal elections."

If that is your position Hal, use your time and energy to have ACORN shut down, stop illegal immigration and amnesty, and demand better voter registration laws.


damerican emocracy
Nice story, this one about imaginary StPetersburg girl in an imaginary shop... It doesn't connect, though - such girls concerned about America not dissiminating enough kilotones of democracy worldwide ceased to exist some 15 years ago - and back then Iran wasn't so much of an issue. The personage - if placed in time correctly - should have asked about Iraq, or Afganistan, or perhaps Serbia - but ooops... Wrong countries to discuss in that kind of an article today, arent't they? A "Marie" of 2009 would have much rather asked, which of the three priniple types of humanitarian values in its posission (oil, gas or precious metals) made Iran entitled to receive some freedom - be it in the form of depleted uranim shells, heavy explosives, casette bombs, or concentration camps.


"Twenty-two years ago this month, President Ugo Chaves stood in front of the White House, in Washington DC, boldly pointed to the sinister building, and declared: "There is one sign the Americans can make that would be unmistakable, that would advance dramatically the cause of freedom and peace. President Obama, if you seek peace, if you seek prosperity for the US and Western Europe... Mr. Obama, bring down this simbol of evil"
2033, Free America Magazine, Caracas

Solidarity
We must first understand that Obama and the members of his administration are leftists. To all good Leftists, the highest value is solidarity, meaning solidarity with other leftists, no matter how brutal or extreme. Second, we must remember that the Left, at its core, is totalitarian. Leftists have a history of being soft on other totalitarian regimes and ideologies. Taken in this context, the weak response of Obama and Euorpean leftists to events in Iran, is not only understandable, it was predictable.

ShaneRoach
"Fellow conservative"?

I don't think so. I'm not buying it.

Berlin Wall, 1 of 2
The ideas of freedom are so ingrained in human nature, no debriefing or retraining was needed when the Berlin Wall fell.
They knew instinctively
how freedom works.
_________
Alexanderplatz was a spacious
area that included a large
world clock that told the time in
major cities all over the world.
While the Berlin Wall still stood,
someone (me!) said, “Why do people in East Berlin care what time it is in Tokyo?
They can’t even visit West Berlin.”
_______
Several times we were asked,
“Did people in America
know there were two Germanys?”
When we answered “yes,” they were shocked
to hear how much we knew of their problem
for all those years, and how happy the people
in the US were when the
Berlin Wall fell.
(Schwerin, Germany)
_________
Soon after the fall of the Berlin Wall, department store chains from the West were renovating existing
store buildings in East Germany.
Clerks, customers, and carpenters wandered among racks of clothes and piles of lumber, the clack and rattle of jack hammers competed with the clang of cash registers.
The longest line was at the employment desk.
_________
We asked the guard if it was possible for us to “liberate” a piece of the Berlin Wall.
As he gave us directions he put his hand over his eyes, as if to say, “If I don’t see you … … .”
With his tacit permission, on Sept. 4, 1991 we helped remove the Wall, using this hammer — that’s me on the right.
(Checkpoint Charlie , Berlin, Germany)
_______
We climbed a flight of stairs that permitted us to look over the Berlin Wall into East Berlin.
We could see the tank-traps, the barbed wire,
the killing zone, concrete “dragons’ teeth,”
and the guard towers that protected the
Wall that imprisoned the East Berlin citizens.
There were always two guards, so one could
shoot the other if he tried to defect.
They were seldom the same two soldiers,
because if they became friends, they might both defect.

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Berlin Wall, 2 of 2

Our guide at the building where the famous Potsdam Conference was held at the end of
WW II, spoke only German during the tour.
Later, our question was, “Have you
changed the content of your story
about the Potsdam Conference, now that the Berlin Wall is down?”
He said, “A little,” but we wished we could have discovered what those changes were.
(Potsdam, Germany)
________
I commented to a lady at a market booth that she was a beautiful young lady, dressed in an attractive manner, with a pleasant hair style, and she looked nicer then many young ladies, with “bed hair, and thrift store clothes” that we see in the US and in Western Europe.
Her response, “We can’t afford to have our hair styled like that, and can’t afford the new style of clothes, but just as soon as we can afford it, we will.”
A good reason to rebuild the Berlin Wall.
(Alexanderplatz, formerly East Berlin, Germany)
_______

Street vendors by the dozens offered hats, coats, and brass emblems of Soviet Army uniforms, and small pieces of the Berlin Wall (they said), for sale.
We wondered if all the little shards of concrete, complete with graffiti paint, were really
authentic, or were they the result of
entrepreneurial and artistic skill.
The ten-inch pieces of the Wall that I have
are for real, I have video of me hammering,
and hammering to break the Wall.
(Brandenburg Gate, Berlin, Germany)
_______

As a modification on the story that,
“Aren’t we lucky to be born in the US,”
how about the Berliners who could say,
“Aren’t we lucky we were born on this
side of the street.”
At some locations the Berlin Wall had been built
so one side of the street was West and Democratic,
and the other side was East and Communistic.
(Berlin, Germany)
_________
We’ve seen Berlin with and without the Wall.
Believe it, we prefer without.
(Berlin, Germany)

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ShaneRoach
"Date: Jun 19, 2009 - 11:22 AM EST
Hal Donahue
"We could not have done it without our allies and the governments prior."

No one says we had no allies, Hal, but Carter DID NOT HELP. The idea that Reagan was not key to finally bringing an end to the USSR is specious."

LOL Until the failed Bush passed him by Carter was the worst president in modern history. Reagan was a key. My point was and is that it took far more than just Reagan which is the point of many extreme conservatives on here.

"...and it is going to take a similar shift in perspective to end the tyranny of Islam. For years people played the relativity game with communism. They are doing it now with Islam. "Islam is not the enemy. Extremist Islam is the enemy."

Here we disagree completely. The Soviet Union was a real enemy and a state. Islam is a religion not a state. Time after time we have seen suppress religion and you get martyrs and a stronger religion. The enemy are brutal criminals that use religion as justification for their actions and recruiting. They deserve little respect and should be crushed.

"...In the day when Islam is no longer enforced anywhere on this planet by the sword,..."

Here is the problem religion doing business as governments. Look at what Christians did when that religion controlled government. Heck, our holy book says we should stone people for eating shell fish and disobeying parents

"...It's not for nothing you don't see a lot of heads sawed off to make political points in the west. Jesus taught better."

Islam is 1400 years old what were Christians doing when it was that age? Sawing off heads seem kind

JIM -CA
That is a wonderful description of the Berlin Wall, well written. I really like your statement: "The ideas of freedom are so ingrained in human nature, no debriefing or retraining was needed when the Berlin Wall fell.
They knew instinctively how freedom works."

This statement is so true. I was working in the Czech Republic after the fall of the Berlin Wall as an advisor and sensed the same feelings among the newly liberated Czechs.
Their peaceful revolt against Russia was called the "Velvet Revolution". I was moved by the people's excitment to be able to vote for a Democracy again. I was among several Amercians providing business seminars. We always had large attendence and they absorbed everything they could learn about free markets and capitalism from the Western world. Living and working among the people I could feel their optimism and the hope they had for their country and themselves again. I could sense it among shop owners, people on the street and everyone I worked with. They also knew instinctively how freedom works.

EXTREMIST? THAT'S ME!!
"Date: Jun 19, 2009 - 11:35 AM EST
Hal
Cut the crap they went through Bush's records and had to lie about them. Ask Dan Blather..."

Oh no it is agreed that when his unit was converting to the F-4, an aircraft used heavily in the Vietnam War, he was a no show for his flight physical. Any other officer would have lost their wings. The only record of the failed Bush showing up for anything was a dental appointment maybe - records are missing

"As far as anyone running for the presidentsy of the United States nothing in thier past records is confidential."

BS we do not have a right to know everything

"..If you were in the military you must not have had a serurity clearance they crawl up your behind like a diamond miner. The president is our employee we have a right to see all his records to verify his security clearance."

BS my clearance data was not published or given to my enemies



My letter in the Los Angeles Times

*Sep 1, 1992
Los Angeles Times

Who won the cold war

Mr. Dennis said he conducted a 100 interviews with “… leaders, journalists, intellectuals and ordinary citizens,…” and determined that the US did not win the Cold War. I wonder if he talked to more than one “citizen.”

I have talked to far more than 100 ordinary citizens during my trips (both before and after the Cold War) in Yugoslavia, former East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, and most other European countries, and I can assure you that they were almost unanimous in giving credit to the US, and to Presidents Reagan and Bush, for the return of freedom to Eastern Europe.

It proves again that speaking to journalists and intellectuals to learn about the political health of a country, is like going to a Doctor for a physical exam, and he only looks at your armpits!




3 self-contradictory statement....
Dry water, military intellegence and free market

We, such of us who survived the liberation, are only beginning to understand something about "free market" and capitalism. There will be a lot more clarity about it in many heads two years from now. It is high time people in the West start to do the same. E.g., consider market as a game with zero sum (ideally) - and two players with conflicting interests (buyer and seller). Ask yourself, what do you call "free market" if more freedom for the buyer means less freedom for the seller and vice versa.
Consider the national debt of US. Ask yourself, what gives the representative of a country that owes everyone more than it can pay moral right to teach business seminars worldwide.. and then some

questions
Btw, what do Americans think about the wall on the Mexican border? How comes it is different from the one that was in Berlin?
And finally - is the author any relation of the Oliver North from the Iran-Contra and drug trafficing scandal? Or is he the Oliver North, perhaps? Otherwise, I fail to see any reason for anyone to portray mediocre Hollywood actor as an "arbiter of faiths" of half of a continent...

Hal @ #15
First, thank you for serving your country. Would that more Americans would satisfy this obligation.

As to your first rebuttal: Of course there are levels of engagement. I never implied otherwise; why do you imply I did???

As to your second rebuttal: Anybody expecting Obama to fill Reagan's shoes is doomed to disappointment!

I disagree with your argument that America is somehow tarnished by Bush (or any other President). Independently of the administration in office, most people in the world wish they had the kind of liberty America used to enjoy and still stands for. They may not like current policies (and neither do many Americans), but they would trade places with an American in an instant. If you cannot understand that fact then I must suggest that you, sir are the one who is out of touch (with respect).

First, but not necessarily most accurate
Republicans lost the Korean War? You mean the Chicoms and DPRK armies rushed into Seoul and proceeded to take over the entire penninsula? News to me.

Republicans lost the Vietnam War? Excuse me, it was the Democratically controlled Congress that voted to end support for South Vietnam with arms, ammo, spare parts, replacements or air support. Not the Republicans. That enabled the North to overrun Saigon.

And defeating the Soviets was a wrong idea because we should've seen the Soviets would sell nukes on the black market? The Soviet Union ended in 1991. The Koreans began testing nukes last year. I seriously doubt the two are related. They built their own, just as Pakistan did.

Bush lost the Afghan and Iraq wars? How exactly do you self-declare defeat when both are still ongoing? You libertarians seem awfully eager to declare defeat.





Ivan
The Berlin Wall was built to keep East Germans in. It was essentially a prison fence. The Mexican border fence is a privacy fence. It is designed to keep unwelcome trespassers and law-breakers out. For if you enter the country without first being approved entry by our law enforcement, you are breaking the law.

That's the difference.

Ivan @ #43
Your comparison is off the mark.

The Berlin wall was built by an occupying force to control the movement of the citizens of the city of Berlin. The Berlin wall was a prison wall.

The wall (actually a few segments, not anywhere near a complete wall) that separates the US and Mexico is an international border, just like any other country has. It is the right of the US to control traffic across that border just like any other country does. The difference is that in most other countries those who illegally enter the country face stiff penalties, while in America our national leadership has chosen to ignore them. We risk a great deal by doing so.

Does this answer your question?

The Wall
More Americans are killed each year by illegal aliens than have died in the Iraq War since 2003. Murders, car accidents, you name it.

Isn't that a pretty good reason all by itself to build a wall?

the walls
Sure, just like Berlin wall was build along a border between two countries. And, Citizen C - Berlin wall was protecting the Eastern side against something that later on caused collapse of agriculture, greater decrease of industrial production than during World War II, and 1,5 million deaths every year for almost 20 years by now...
And - yes, government of Moscow seems to have learnt that trick from the government of US - they also ignore cheap labor that illegally enters the country. The question is - how long will THEY chose to ignore your, though

Ivan
What are you talking about?

The Berlin wall did not separate 2 countries; it divided a city. The reason was not "protecting the Eastern side." It only purpose was to stop people from escaping the horror of communist Germany.
The rest of your comments about the Soviets are incomprehensible.

Ivan
Hundreds of people died trying to break OUT of East Berlin. Nobody was trying to break in. That's the difference. Nobody is trying to break out of the United States, but a lot of people are trying to break in. Our border wall is precisely the opposite in purpose and effect as the old Berlin wall and iron curtain.

three visits to Czechoslovakia

Reba Location: TX
Reply # 39
Date: Jun 19, 2009 - 1:38 PM EST

Reba, read of our three visits to Czechoslovakia twice and to the Czech_Republic one time.

http://www.travel-tidbits.com/tidbits/cat_czech_republic.sh tml

Your comments please
jimhum@sbcglobal.net

Ivan
The Berlin Wall was built because about 875,000 East Germans escaped Soviet rule from 1950 to 1953. 226,000 fled in just the first 6 months of 1953 alone. It was an interntational embarassment to the Soviets that so many people did not willingly "choose" to stay in the worker's paradise. So they built the Berlin Wall and erected the Iron Curtain seperating east Europe from West. If they had not built the Berlin Wall, East Germany would've been a sparsely populated area of ghost towns and tumbleweed had the trend of escaping the West continued. In a parallel, when North Vietnam declared itself communist, about 500,000 Vietnamese packed up and moved south. About 50,000 moved north.

And we do not shoot Mexicans trying to come into the USA like the East Germans shot their own people for trying to leave. Why did it matter to them if their people wanted to live somewhere else?

Ivan
Furthermore, the idea the Berlin Wall protected the East from "something that later on caused collapse of agriculture, greater decrease of industrial production than during World War II, and 1,5 million deaths every year for almost 20 years by now..." is ridiculous.

The SOVIET SYSTEM was in a continuous state of agricultural stagnation and crummy industrial output. That was their normal state of affairs. Capitalism has temporary downturns and adjustments. Communism/Socialism is a continuous, unending ordeal of stagnation. I mean come on, was the Soviet Union known for it's awesome televisions, sportscars, dish washing machines, VCRs, highway systems, designer clothes, and hot vacation spots? No. And you KNOW that.

Ollie hits it out again
Great parallel between Reagan's "tear down this wall" speech and the current Iran crisis. However, as Ollie points out, Reagan's line was consistent with his own clear foreign policy vision. Obama has never articulated a clear vision for our foreign policy, and therein likes the root of the problem. We elected a President for all the wrong reasons (i.e. he was a successful "community organizer").

Jim - CA @ 12:30 AM
Went to your Travel Tibits site on the Czech Republic. Brought back some great memories of Prague and especially sitting in a coffee shop in Old Town Square watching humanity pass by. I lived in Tepice, 2 hours from Prague, which you probably went through on your way to Dresden.
You and your wife have a great profession for people who like to travel. My husband and I have lived in 3 different countries and visited at least 15. The good ole USA is still the best, does not to be re-made in Obama's image, just tweaked now and then.

http://www.travel-tidbits.com/

Reba Location: TX
Reply # 56
Date: Jun 20, 2009 - 11:08 AM EST

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I should have sent this address, for the PDF Gem Book of Czech Republic.

The Site contains thousands of stories, many hundred photos, and the ten books I have written. Enjoy.


http://www.travel-tidbits.com/tidbits/004473.shtml

jimhum@sbcglobal.net

There is nothing for sell, just to enjoy.



Great American = Oliver North
Great article. ***** (5 stars)

America still believes in freedom, too bad the MSM and liberals are trying to redefine what that freedom means. Sigh.

North=Traitor!
Hey Ollie, how does it feel to see your Iranian friends shooting down the protesters with weapons YOU sold to them?
How does it feel to be a stain on America's face? How does it feel to be subhuman like you? How does it feel to be a villain? I can't get to Ratko Mladic to ask him about that, and you are the next in the line of scumbag succession.
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