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Friday, April 17, 2009
Oliver North :: Townhall.com Columnist
I Am an Extremist
by Oliver North
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WASHINGTON -- According to the U.S. government, I am an extremist. I am a Christian and meet regularly with other Christians to study God's word. My faith convinces me the prophecies in the Holy Bible are true. I believe in the sanctity of human life, oppose abortion, and want to preserve marriage as the union of a man and a woman. I am a veteran with skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat. I own several firearms, and I frequently shoot them, buy ammunition, and consider efforts to infringe on my Second Amendment rights to be wrong and unconstitutional. I fervently support the sovereignty of the United States, and I am deeply concerned about our economy, increasingly higher taxes, illegal immigration, soaring unemployment, and actions by our government that will bury my children beneath a mountain of debt.

Apparently, all this makes me a "rightwing extremist." At least, that's what it says in the April 7 "Assessment" issued by the Office of Intelligence and Analysis at the Department of Homeland Security. The nine-page report, titled "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment," is full of warnings about American citizens who share any part of my background or subscribe to the beliefs above. It is one of the most alarming documents produced by our government that I ever have read.

Evidently, neither you nor I ever was supposed to read this "Assessment." At the bottom of the cover page is a warning that it is "not to be released to the public, the media, or other personnel who do not have a valid need-to-know." We're Americans. We have a need to know what's going on in our government, especially in an administration that promised to be "transparent." A full copy of the report is posted at http://www.FreedomAlliance.org.

The "Assessment" purports to alert law enforcement officials that "rightwing extremists" -- the term is used more than 35 times -- are intent on exploiting Americans who have strongly held beliefs on everything from Christian faith to rising unemployment, U.S. sovereignty and the Second Amendment. It vilifies those of us in these categories by references to neo-Nazis, racists, militias, white supremacists and other "hate groups." Notably, the report includes a warning that right-wing extremism "may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration."

Though the report proffers a passing reference to the First Amendment, it is replete with bias against conservative thought, writing and communications. On Page 3, law enforcement authorities are warned, "Rightwing extremist chatter on the Internet continues to focus on the economy, the perceived (emphasis added) loss of U.S. jobs in the manufacturing and construction sectors, and home foreclosures."

That is a frightening acknowledgment that political speech is being monitored in America. It is also wrong. It's not "perception." It is fact. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the manufacturing and construction sectors have lost 161,000 jobs and 126,000 jobs, respectively, last month alone.

In its "Key Findings," the DHS manuscript boldly charges that "rightwing extremists may be gaining new recruits by playing on their fears about several emergent issues" and offers this warning: "The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks."

Under the heading "Disgruntled Military Veterans," the report alleges: "Rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat. These skills and knowledge have the potential to boost the capabilities of extremists -- including lone wolves or small terrorist cells -- to carry out violence." These unsubstantiated claims are followed by reminders that Timothy McVeigh, who bombed the Oklahoma City federal building in 1995, was a military veteran. Omitted is any reference to the fact that McVeigh was simply one of more than 40 million veterans of the U.S. armed forces.

Thirteen lines after this egregious, unconscionable slander against those of us who are military combat veterans, DHS makes the stunning charge that "lone wolves and small terrorist cells embracing violent rightwing extremist ideology are the most dangerous domestic terrorism threat in the United States."

According to this DHS "Assessment," the most dangerous threat we face here at home isn't from radical imams preaching violence in U.S. mosques and madrassas, Islamists recruiting in our prisons, Somali terrorists enticing young immigrants to become suicide bombers, or Hamas, Hezbollah or al-Qaida operatives plotting mass murder. No, according to DHS, the real threat comes from what our government labels "rightwing extremist ideology."

Mr. Obama should disavow this report publicly and fire the officials responsible for issuing it. Those who prepare his remarks for the occasion should insert in the teleprompter former Sen. Barry Goldwater's words on the subject: "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice."

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DHS Report
I was absolutely infuriated by the report. I am in complete agreement with Col. North that we conservatves are being looked at as a threat. The next one and a half years are going to be tough until the mid-term elections but I think that aconservative revolution isbrewing.

Lines are drawn

"monopolies and incorporation of powers are dangerous in and of itself

Its placing trust in the wrong place handing any man as much power as DHS has been given"
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Its also violating the Law itself.

This is very clear on this issue


Article IV

Section 4.

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government....

Republics do not have incorporation of powers.
That is what communists, nazi's and fascists do.

Republics are the opposite, the Separation of Powers.

No one can deny the Constitution is being attacked by powers with-in

To Talent Scout in CO
Did you see "Rules of Engagement?" I watched it last night on Showtime. Somehow I had missed it. I give it high marks. Check it out if you haven't seen it. Thank God there are still plenty of sane people in our country who are also discerning, and that goes for you, by the way. They keep testing the waters up there in D.C. to see how far they can go. But I have faith in my countrymen...at least, a great portion of them. The U.S. was formed by adventurous, hardheaded types, and that DNA is still alive in their descendants.

I am old Army, karen
karen writes:- 1:09 PM EST
To Talent Scout in CO
P.S. Wasn't it you who posted that the DNC is afraid of the military? We have that to be thankful for.
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The US Army I served with considered all marxists the enemy.

I do not think all our youngsters of today understand the dividing lines the Cold War defined.

Some today just cannot seem to understand monopolies and incorporation of powers are dangerous in and of itself.

One never knows who will end up controlling everything, or what their goals are.

Its placing trust in the wrong place handing any man as much power as DHS has been given

To Talent Scout in CO
P.S. Wasn't it you who posted that the DNC is afraid of the military? We have that to be thankful for.

To Talent Scout in CO
Since I don't fly, I can never visit Russia. However, I find it interesting to read modern day accounts of what it's like over there. Apparently you need a "pass" from yr hotel if you go out, and if you lose the pass, you can't get yr hotel key back when you return. I'm worried for that chess champion who is stirring things up over there. Putin doesn't play! As I said earlier, great portions of our populace need to read up on what it's like when you allow yr leaders to get that kind of control. The problem here is, many people are complacent and Pollyannaish, with an "It can't happen here," mentality. It happens gradually and then with a vengeance once power starts snowballing.

karen
I appreciate the recommendation of the book.

If I come across it and have the time it is about a topic that interests me.

However, I have family members through marriage who lived under Stalin.

My wife's father was KGB, but in the communication field and an electrical engineer, working in Egypt.

So I have a very good understanding of how the enemies of America try and undermine individual liberty.

The DHS is following the same ideology found in both Communist Russia and Nazi Germany.
Combining Government, Military and Police Powers under one "tzar".

Pay attention when the Obama Admin uses that word, they really mean it.

The DHS is an illegal incorporation of powers that were always separated before this day.

Does not take any thing but common sense to understand incorporation of powers v. separation of powers.

Statists seek incorporation, America fights incorporation by our Constitution and Republic

To Talent Scout in CO
As long as you're doing so much interesting research, allow me to recommend a book to you. (If you like thrillers.) It's "Archangel" by Robert Harris. A great deal of incredible info re Stalin's bloody history. (It's a movie too that I want to see.) Since many people in our country need more education re collectivism and authoritarianism, more of our populace would do well to read this book! Let freedom ring! (Uh-oh, was that a subversive statement?)

Honiruchi (sp)
Deserves no respect, read:

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On August 21st, 1992, deputy marshals botched a surveillance attempt after entering the Weaver property in fatigues and facial camo.

They were armed with night vision devices and fully automatic "assault" weapons.

Their orders were to shoot the family dog as the dog would make it difficult to continue their surveillance.

The family dog caught wind of the intruders and was shot by one of the marshals (according to published reports, that Marshall was Art Roderick).

Weaver's son Sammy fired back with his Mini-14 rifle.

Randy Weaver was shooting his shotgun into the air and screaming for Sammy to return to the cabin.

As Sammy turned to run, he was shot in the back (by Honiruchi)and with a 9mm slug that ripped through his arm nearly severing it from his body. It was then that Harris returned fire apparently killing the U.S. Marshall.

The FBI were called to the scene the next day."

http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/ruby2.html

Chris
The real blame is the Bush Administration and the Klinton.

Randy Weaver was targeted by an unlawful profiling and entrapped.

Here is the story:

Weaver Awarded $3.1 Million from US Government
"How it Started

Weaver had been approached by an informant to the BATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms) to sell him sawed off shot-guns. Weaver apparently relented after several times telling the informant no. He sold two shot-guns to the informant in October of 1989. The shot guns sold to the informant according to the FBI were a mere 1/4" short of the legal barrel length for shot-guns. Weaver contends they were perfectly legal at the time he sold them to the informant.

Weaver was given bogus information on when to appear in court on the weapons charges. Rather than correcting the error, the Federal officials declared him a fugitive.

However, a Federal Judge ruled after the siege at Ruby Ridge that the weapons charges amounted to entrapment by the FBI. Weaver had been sent erroneous information on when to appear for his court date - in what appeared to be a deliberate attempt by Federal authorities to initiate the confrontation. It would have been a simple matter to correct the error and give Mr. Weaver another chance to appear. That in part is why the Federal Judge ruled the gun charges amounted to entrapment."
http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/ruby2.html

Ever hear of the Nuremberg Rules?
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/imtconst.asp

c)CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY: namely, murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation, and other inhumane acts committed against any civilian population, before or during the war; or persecutions on political, racial or religious grounds in execution of or in connection with any crime within the jurisdiction of the Tribunal, whether or not in violation of the domestic law of the country where perpetrated.

please don't misunderstand me
I'm by no means trying to apologize for anyone. All I'm trying to say is both sides were wrong here. Yes, Koresh did have a right to own guns, no matter how many he had, and yes, the government did go in heavy handed. Yes, Koresh was using those kids as hostages, and yes, he was no saint. The problem I have with several of your statments is you make it seem as if the ATF and FBI agents took glee in both seiges. They did not, and in fact in the book, this sniper voiced displeasure in both of them. He stated that they were presented with impossible circumstances and critizised when things went wrong, caused by the very ROE and plans they were given. That's right, they didn't even get to make their own plans. Everything was dictated from on high. Please do not belittle these men who were caught in the middle of these situations, they didn't want to be there any more than the people on the other side of their guns were.

President’s Enemies
Tell me DHS has not become political arm, and I will call you a fool.



Are You on the President’s Enemies List?
by Gary Bauer
04/17/2009


Last week, Barack Obama’s message to the world was: “the United States is not and never will be at war with Islam.” This week, Barack Obama’s Department of Homeland Security’s message to conservatives was: the United States may soon be at war with you.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31499

If you oppose any of the following.

The United Nations
The New World Order
Gun Control
The violation of Posse Comitatus
The Federal Reserve
The Income Tax
The Ammunition and Accountability Act
A possible Constitutional Convention
The North American Union
Universal Service Program
Radio Frequency Identification (RFID)
Abortion
Illegal Immigration

IF DHS
Had not become a political tool and was really about the Security of the United States, then these people would be the target for SHUTTING DOWN TODAY!

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http://faultlineusa.blogspot.com/2009/03/video-35-islamic-t errorist-training.html

35 terrorist compounds in our nation. This is about the spread of homegrown terrorists in our backyard. The group, Muslims of America, have established 35 compounds in the U.S.

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Yet the DHS does not even mention these camps in this report or on their own web page.

But anyone in America who is not thinking the right thoughts, are mentioned.

All the while we have criminal Mexican Gangs spreading violence, murder and death all over the Southern Border, DHS leaves them alone.

DHS is the real danger to America in the hands of this wild eyed conspiracy nut case Janet Napilotano and the Obama Admin.

I have not looked
Up to see how many people have been murdered in Boundary County, Idaho as everyone already knows, its not a problem.

I do not there were more people killed there in one day by the US Government than had been for many many years, if ever two had been gunned down.

Then to find if there had been any gunned down, it was an innocent woman in her own home holding her baby.
Or a 12 year old boy on his own land, out walking with his dog.


Napolitano and Position of Trust
I was shocked by the DHS report. Ms Napilatano has gone after Americans who hold different political persuations rather than those who are actually doing damage. Rep Bennie Thompson (D-MS) seems to have been taken back by this report- (His comments can be found on Washing times website)

I agree with posts 29 and 75 that Ms Napolitano has violated her position of public trust and needs to be removed from office. Same of any other official who helped prepare and release this report.

Boundary County, Idaho

Hard to find anyone being killed on the streets or the woods.

Compare Randy's home to Los Angeles.

Real killing is happening in every major city, not the problem.
Its the people who do not have the right thinking like Randy

Sorry about my bad typing skills
I will correct this sentence so its readable.

"He most certainly want not the most dangerous person in America at that time."


He most certainly was not the most dangerous person in America at that time.

karen
Randy Weaver had done this karen.
"I think I'll go live deeper in the woods."

He went as far back into the wilderness as he could get with-in the borders of the USA.

He was targeted for his skin color, his politics.
He most certainly want not the most dangerous person in America at that time.

In 1993 there were killings going on every day by hispanic and black gangs.
Really murdering people.
Randy never murdered anyone or even threatened to.

No, he wanted to get away from everyone.

He made the mistake of fitting the profile of the "right-winged" extremist.

His thoughts were a danger to the National Security, according to the BATF, and just because he showed he wanted to be left alone, he could still have the wrong thinking.

Meanwhile the killing in every city that is under government control grows more and more violent yearly.

Running to the woods is not the answer.
The answer is getting control back into the hands of the people over the wild eyed conspiracy nut cases at DHS

Gosh, I am a criminal!
Funny how the mainstream media did not even hint a to this report from another illegal department in government. The constitution states .."to provide for the common defense." Where are the other extremist groups that represent a threat to our country? Somewhat narrow view of who a threat is. After reading the report it looks more like a political enemies list vs truly dangerous people that will attack our country.

Thank you Mr. North for bringing it to our attention.

to Oliver North
Thank you for yr essay. It is clear, concise, and very instructive. Most appreciated.

To Talent Scout in CO
Very interesting posts. Thank you for taking the time. Much food for thought. I think I'll go live deeper in the woods. This country is getting way,way,way too unpredictable!

Compare the Davidians to the Crips
The Crips have actually murdered citizens on the streets.

The Davidians never killed anyone.

The Crips do have illegal weapons.

The Davidians had none.
(accusations aside, they were never produced)

The Crips are extremely dangerous and number in the thousands of adult men, no children involved.

The Davidians had 20-30 children.

If every single one had been molested by Koresh, that would have been a County Problem, not Federal.

McLennan County, Texas had Jurisdiction.
Not the BATF.

Mclennan County had investigated the charges of child abuse, they gave them a clean bill, nothing they could find.

So, the very people charged with the Investigation of Child Abuse found nothing, how have all the people across the US found the evidence it happened?

Meanwhile the BATF ignores the Crips

1st Armored 1st Cav
Is my old Army Unit.

The Davidians were the target of a classic Armored, Infantry and Air Attack.

The BATF had 100 men, the Infantry.
Each war armed with Automatic Weapons.

Every one of them fired into that home.
Knowing there were innocent women and children

Compound v. Home
The Davidians has a wide open access up to their front door.
No fences, no tank traps, no machine gun nests

Waco and the BATF
Crimes by the Federal Government that was buried til this day.

Everyone who sincerely cares about keeping Civil Rights should read this book.

The Davidian Massacre published in late 1995
by Carol Moore

How did the stand-off start?

Everyone needs to find out the facts.

Koresh had opened his front door and both he and his father-in-law was shot.

That started it.

The BATF had been looking for a "cause" to increase their budget, they needed a show.
Horrible as that sounds, that was what was behind this tragedy.

Janet Reno said she took full responsibilty for what happened.

OK, so when will we see her in Court?

Never, this crime against the Civil Rights of the Davidians has been justified by false accusations to begin with.

Koresh had invited the Feds to come and look over their weapons business.

Its how the Davidians made their living, honestly selling a legal product.

Up front and out in public at gun sales.

None of it needed to happen, and it was covered up and is obvious its a cover up.

Same with Ruby Ridge the Government paid Randy Weaver 3 million dollars for their evaluation of the lives of Randys wife and son.

Murder by Government is still murder

Chris
Koresh may have been the most evil man who lived.

He may have been the most vile man who ever lived.

He may have been the craziest man who ever lived.

He may have been the most dangerous man on the earth.

None of that changes the truth there were innocent women and children in that home.

That all the "news" reported as compound.

Think about that mental image, home v. compound.
Water tower v. Snipers Nest.
Thousands of words written to demonize the man to justify the death of 20-30 children is what every abuse of power by government has always done.

If any of the BATF or FBI Agents who were there had just one child inside that "compound", do you think they would have still attacked it as they did?

You a dad?
You think about that too



William if you really believe
in the pearly gates you know that forgivness is possible for anyone. In Ollies case I'd rather have him at my back than the lilly livered cowards that use the ATF and the FBI to do their dirty work.

Colonel North
I always loved the way you faced your accusers and sent them down in shame.


Ollie, let's not skip the part...
about you breaking the law and subverting our Constitution while you funneled arms and cash between our nation's hated enemy Iran and the baby-killing Death Squads of the Contras in Nicaragua.

Oh I'd say we got you pegged exactly right. Keep hiding behind that bible "soldier". It'll cover you well here on TH -- but aint gonna mean squat upstairs at the gates.

Chris re Waco
What would of happened if the locals handled it? Maybe if the Sheriff just knocked on the door or they waited for him to go to town. But no the arrogant government (ATF) first had to play the bad A $ $ role. Talk about terrorists. Anyone who saw the tanks, tear gas, where the fire started know the truth. Why was the federal government in such a hurry to bulldoze the place? Then remember Reno's fascist's tearing that cuban child from his relatives arms while pointing machine guns at people.

concerning the Waco
argument, you should read the book Cold Zero, written by an HRT sniper that was there and at Ruby Ridge. It's interesting how the media won't talk about the kids that were stood up in the windows in order for the people inside to set up their own sniper rifles, one of which was a .50 Barret. and I'm sorry, but a religous nut who was raping underaged girls does not count as a religion. Having said all of this, I do believe it could have been handled better on the part of the government, but let's not forget that Koresh was hardly innocent in this. After all, the fire was set inside the compound. There's plenty of blame to go around.

There's lots more where that came from!
Read H.R.1,the bill Pelosi bragged would put all Americans in a "giant birdcage",which goes into far more detail about the DHS. Like alot of you,I never thought I'd see our country come to this. It proves we may not have as much time as we once believed,and that's one reason God told us to watch for His signs. Those who know Him know the truth.(Woe to those who don't!) "Am I now trying to win the approval of men,or of God? If I were still trying to please man,I would not be a servant of God."-Galatians 1:10.."With many words,he warned them and pleaded with them:Save yourselves from this corrupt generation."-Acts 4:20

2 Chronicles 7:14
Very good scripture, to not only read, but to obey.
I will read it again myself and do that.

Thank you Tea Party for the kind words, and more so for your own faithfulness.

I never dreamed America had fallen so far away from the Principles this nation has promoted for 231-2 years.

Truth is no longer honored in America and politics has replaced it.
Politics were something to be laughed at for its clownish egotism,in days gone by, not today.

The bigger the lie, the more its loved, just like a hollywood movie.

People do not understand the contempt a liar has for them with complete disdain for their person.

Obama is one of the grandest liars I have listened to in my life of 65 years.

His contempt for those who believe his lies is food for his twisted mind


RusslynMarie
I can amen that, I guess perhaps God is speaking to a lot of believers because that's one of the first things my husband thought of, that he have a Damascus Road experience..I do pray it between gritted teeth in obedience.
However I also pray that God will cause a third Great Awakening (aren't I EXTREME to actually dare pray for that?)and bring our people back to Him. We are in trouble because the Church mainly didn't do what it was called for, it bunkered down, afraid of the IRS, thus serving two masters..it's time they stood up and began to serve THE MASTER 100% and depend on God to
take care of them. I've been studying on the First Great Awakening and the Noon Hour Prayer
Revival..it's time for the Church to start calling for prayer and fasting for this nation.
2 Chronicles 7:14 is a good place to start, it's up to the believers to seek Him and repent.
I think there may be another group spinning in their graves also..the pastors who led the
colonials after teaching them years before on what Christian citizenship and freedom meant.
The Brits called them The Black Brigade..would that we had them today.

Conservative - Libertarian Coalition
I guess that it's high time for conservatives and libertarians to kiss and make up before the round-up. The collectivist, statist, so-called "liberals" have labeled both groups as extremists that need to be watched.

I'm not even religious, but as a veteran, gun owner and unrepentant Ron Paul contributor, I'm lumped in with Tim McVeigh, Eric Rudolf and the far right wing. With Mr. Obama's admitted past drug experimentation, you'd think that libertarians would at least win points for their opposition to a federalized "War on Drugs," but NO.

During the primary season, I wrote that the conservatives should not be so nasty to your libertarian brethren and that you folks would need us again someday. Well it looks like that day has come. I'll see y'all at the re-education camp or perhaps some barricade in a town near you.

God Bless you
Ollie, we watched the Iran Contra hearings from start to finish and it was a joy to watch you
turn the tables on those pusillanimous fellow travelers interogating you. You are one of the few that's stood up to those nincompoops when they quack for the benefit of votes back home.
We know that amendment was pushed by a marxist representative from Mass and cosponsored by other fellow travelers in the House in order to help the Ortega's against Nicaraguan Freedom Fighters. You beat them a their game and they hate you for it..you are a true patriot.

Talent Scout..as usual well written posts..you are like Retired Geek, I always learn something from them.
We can all be proud, we have joined an exclusive Club..in the class with the Founders and all the past Patriots since. I fit the
profile except for being a veteran..though I'm married to a proud Tin Can Sailor, Viet nam era vet, mother of two Navy vets and m in law of
a WAVE I consider my daughter and grandmother of a active duty Navy medic.
I will be getting on my elected DemonRATS case about this treachery. Anyone ever see the movie the Manchurian Candidate..anything seem familiar??

Just Want to Honor & Thank Every Veteran
God is to be thanked and praised for every Soldier who has given his time and or life for the United States of America. I am a 52 Year old Army Brat who's Father had a total of 37 years active duty & Army Reserve at the time of his death in 1993. My Father loved His Country, His Family & God and if it were possible for someone to roll over in their grave I am sure that he has done it time & time again with all that has transpired in the United States especially in the last 10 months. Unless those of us who love God, our Country & our Families take a stand just as Oliver North & the Judge have we might as well go crawl under a rock & die because we are the ones who have allowed our Country to come to the place it is. We did not stand up against those who threw God out of our schools, and did not stand up for the unborn babies who are be sacrificed daily. As a born again Christian I believe we must take a stand for all that is good, honest just, righteous, noble & praise worthy or we will continue to see America go to hell on a High Speed hand cart. Pray that God almighty will intervene & Give Obama a Damascus Road experience,save his eternal soul & our country in the process.May God have mercy on us and give us the strength to carry out His will in all of this.

My forebearers
came to the USA from countries governed by fascists and communists. They told me stories similar to whats starting to happen here today. To those that say it cant happen here I say those that ignore history are bound to repeat it.

gxm I dont believe that
would happen until such time that we create an organization equiped to fend of the left. The teaparties are a start in the right direction the republic is in danger and the silent majority id starting to see the light. We cant allow existing parties, with their history of failure, to drive this effort. I believe the teaparties can be the spark but it will take a lot of work, and money, to overcome this nightmare.

Restoring the Constitution and Republic
It’s time to forget the tea parties and get serious. We are not going to end these third world banana republic economic policies, various assaults on individual liberty, or be able to restore our republic without building a movement for a constitutional convention. It will take a concerted effort and a crash course in the Constitution and the philosophy of the Founders for many citizens. There are about 15% to 20% that believe in socialism and will have to be written off but IMHO if we don’t pursue this course we will soon be headed over an economic cliff. We need amendments that will explicitly and with no ambiguity whatsoever limit this government to the parameters originally intended unless a specific written amendment is added to the Constitution. IMO, that would include amendments to require original interpretation by the courts with a provision for strict adherence by the legislative and the executive branch to separation of powers and to the amendment process (no more making it up as you go along), a limit on the % of GDP that could be borrowed or taxed away from citizens except for dire emergencies where 2/3rds of the House and Senate agreed to a temporary increase and repeal of the 16th and 17th amendments.

Not everyone is DC
Is going to stand for this slander from Napolitano
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Members of both sides of the aisle in Congress are expressing outrage and seeking an investigation into a new Department of Homeland Security report on "extremism" that targets U.S. military veterans, opponents of abortion and supporters of other conservative causes.

U.S. Rep Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., was horrified at what he described as a "shoddy, unsubstantiated" document that was delivered to law enforcement across the nation.

"I am concerned at what appears to be a shoddy, unsubstantiated, and potentially politicized work product that has been disseminated to the Intelligence Community, and law enforcement as a finished intelligence product," he wrote to DHS chief Janet Napolitano. "The report appears at best sloppy and unprofessional and at worst a representation of political bias being passed off as intelligence analysis by DHS."
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=95317

Leave attitude out
And you communicate better.
We all need to join together against this sort or violation of law no matter who comes up with it.
Democrat or Republican.
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kenley writes: - 10:01 PM EST
the shoe
is on the other foot huh? doesn't feel so good to be labled and profiled does it?
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This is the first time such a report has come out from the Federal Government.
There is nothing like it ever.
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kenley writes:
I wonder how many of you principled THers have dissented against the profiling/steroetyping/targeting of others outside of your 'group'?...my guess is ZERO....
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There has never been another profiling of Citizens to have been against from the Federal Gov.
Not here in the USA anyway.
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kenley writes:
by the way I'm actually on your side the report was too ambiguous on what to look for...but as several have pointed out, and none have discredited, the report began under Bush.
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Bush set up DHS is right, but no report like this one was made.
The FBI did profile mosques, islamics who communicated with foreign islamics.

911 made it necessary, but even then they were barred from being singled out as this report has done and do it slanderously.
Associating McVeigh with Obama's political opposites.

This is a crime on the Civil Rights of millions of law abiding Americans

thanks for the quote from thomas
I remeber the quote from school. loooonnngg ago.

and another is:

I would choose to die on my feet defending liberty than living on my knees being a slave.

adios,
ab
lancaster, prop8ifornia
push 1 for gringo english in america

got Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill?

you betcha

time for education
maybe me and ollie can ride the same boxcar.
the vietnamese at work tell me of the wonderful things done to them at reeducation camps.
wow, i have a gun, against gay marriage, abortions, vietnam veteran with weapons experience. will that qualify my participation?
where do the patriotic american citizens turn themselves in? i do not want to be a fugitive any longer.

so much for unifying the country as candidate obama spewed.

adios,
ab
lancaster, prop8ifornia
push 1 for english, gringo dummies

got leafblowers?

the shoe
is on the other foot huh? doesn't feel so good to be labled and profiled does it? I wonder how many of you principled THers have dissented against the profiling/steroetyping/targeting of others outside of your 'group'?...my guess is ZERO....by the way I'm actually on your side the report was too ambiguous on what to look for...but as several have pointed out, and none have discredited, the report began under Bush.

Oliver North...an extremist??
Noooo, you don't say, I'd call yourself a 'freedom fighter' Ollie...you know kinda like the ones you helped fund with weapon sales to our top 3 enemy Iran, in exchange for the a@@loads of coke that helped destroy who knows how many lives....yea that term fits you just like the term 'fascist' fits Obama...perfectly

oh man, it doesn't feel too bad to lose a sense of reality every now and then...so much easier just to make things up

Leave them alone!
Don't attack the American patrio-...um...right-wing extremists. That will just cause them to recruit more and increase their numbers.

Isn't that how the argument goes, left wing extremists?

Thomas Paines words
Echo through the halls of time and are as relevant today as then.

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December 23, 1776
THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated. Britain, with an army to enforce her tyranny, has declared that she has a right (not only to TAX) but "to BIND us in ALL CASES WHATSOEVER" and if being bound in that manner, is not slavery, then is there not such a thing as slavery upon earth. Even the expression is impious; for so unlimited a power can belong only to God.

Oliver North
I am an extremist too.

Everything I am for, 'O'* is against. Everthing I am against, 'O'* is for.





* 'O' stands for Obama, his congress, his supporters, and his party.

There is no chance to reason
With the Obama supporters, they will cheer for any crime committed against the Civil Rights of those they disagree with over policitics or religion.
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Vitter, DeMint, et al: time to go Patrick Henry on Obama’s assault on conservatives

It is now officially time: burn the Obama brownshirt agenda to the ground. Sift the ashes. Grind the shards into powder.

http://www.redstate.com/e_pluribus_unum/2009/04/17/vitter-d emint-et-al-time-to-go-patrick-henry/

Make your voices heard
I would like to urge every American to contact their senators and representatives, telling them to call for the resignation of Janet Napolitano from the DHS. The fact that she did not want this report issued to the public is just one more example of how this country is taking on totalitarian characteristics. The real enemies of this country are here, and they are not us "right wing extremists". They are members of Hamas, Al-Qaida, and other terrorist groups that have been responsible for many, many American deaths. Al-Qaida and Hezbollah head the list. Make your voices heard. Free speech, freedom to peaceably assemble, and freedom from governmental intrusion must stand!

If you do not support
The Civil Rights of all American Citizens, equally, you are the problem.

Read the garbage from the Obama supporters and they tell us clearly they will never recognize Civil Rights for any they disagree with in politics and religion.

This DHS report is a declaration of war on the Civil Rights of American Citizens.

Its a Crime and it Treason

Profiling Citizens
Is a violation of the Law.

This is a Civil Rights Issue, and its a crime to profile anyone for their religious or political views.

The foreign born muslims are given religious rights to be here and teach their religion that seeks the destruction of the American Constitution.

And for anyone in the US Government to target any person that is a natural born citizen because of his religion or politics is Treason and a High Crime itself

Blame Bush
In supporting its assertions about veterans, the DHS assessment cited an F.B.I. report written under the Bush administration which said “some returning military veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have joined extremist groups.”

In that July 2008 report, titled “White Supremacist Recruitment of Military Personnel since 9/11,” the FBI’s Counterterrorism Division found said that “military experience is found throughout the white supremacist extremist movement as the result of recruitment campaigns by extremist groups and self-recruitment by veterans sympathetic to white supremacist causes.”

It added that a “review of FBI white supremacist extremist cases from October 2001 to May 2008 identified 203 individuals with confirmed or claimed military service active in the extremist movement at some time during the reporting period.”

Everyone
Who is opposed to politicizing DHS by profiling thoughts as extreme as Napilotano is doing should stand with Mike Savage in this law suit, or file one yourself.

This policy by Napilotano is a crime itself and is illegal under the Equal Protection of the Law and the 14th Amendment.

Napilotano should be arrested her self and charged with an abuse of power and a crime against the US Constitution she swore and Oath to uphold.

http://michaelsavage.wnd.com/files/filesSavage/Complaint_Ag ainst_Department_of_Homeland_Security.pdf

Talent scout says

"No better example than Adolf Hitler, whose foot steps the Obama Admin is following."

If so, then why were 300,000+ of you rw drones allowed to assemble on 4/15 and not be arrested, carted off and exterminated? Maybe because BHO is a decent person and NOTHING like hitler?

Why do you hate America so much? Because they voted for someone you don't like?

Normal = Extremist?
Ok..it's offical. 1/2 of the citizens of America are right wing extremists.
Faith in God, value life and family, obey the law, work hard for my pay,loyal to the constitution and pay taxes. Honor our founding fathers, study our true history and stand up for what is 'Right'. Ya know something...I don't really mind being called a 'Right Wing Extremist' anymore. In fact, I like it.
We are going to take our country back..one LEGAL VOTE at a time.

Extremists
I have heard and read that the 9 page "report" is only the summary. Until we actually see the full report, we have to wonder what else they have up their sleeves. Does that make me paranoid?
Who was it who said "It's not paranoia if they really are after you"?
It's time the re-read "1984" by George Orwell.

best article
on this subject.

extremist among other things
Liar, felon, paranoid who uses our tax dollars to wrap his home in a fence. Did that include the razor wire ollie? Oh did I forget to thank you for pissing on the constitution?

USNA 9th co. '67
Thanks for teaching Glen Beck how to tie his tie. A reference to " A Message to Garcia" would be a nice lesson also.
McB USNA '67 9th company

Thank you Mr. North
THANK YOU!!!
I may not be a vetaran, but I am the wife of a staunch Patriotic Navy man. Thank you for puting yourself out there and being a leader, and this is true leadership.

Proud to fit the profile
I recall back in the 90's the left and MSM became very afraid of what they called "the militia movement". Then they tried to portray Mcveigh as one.
Mcveigh did actually show up at a Michigan militia meeting and ranted about violence and bombing,etc. Militia member's response? They informed the FBI about this idiot.FBI"s response- we can't touch this guy unless he first commits a crime.I would not doubt the FBI was told to let this guy operate so as to create a "crisis" for the left to take advantage of.

Amen melvin, then shut down
melvin writes: - 4:37 PM EST
Radicals And Fanatics Should Be Watched.
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Then lets all ask DHS why they are NOT WATCHING this group.

“Jamaat ul-Fuqra”

*WHY* the Department of Homeland Security is burning precious resources to release “Threat Assessment” (non) reports, identifying “Red Flags” that will have Law Enforcement scrutinizing nearly anyone who didn’t vote for Obama in November?

*WHY* does a search of “Jamaat ul-Fuqra” on the DHS.gov site return ‘No Results’?

http://www.e3gazette.com/2009/04/domestic-extremists-that-d hs-isnt.html

Thank you Muscle Daddy for the link.
It says what I was saying and gives much better details.

The link on Muscle Daddy's
Post should open the eyes of all.

Here are dedicated terrorists, proven terrorists and there is not even a mention of them by DHS in any report.

*WHY* does a search of “Jamaat ul-Fuqra” on the DHS.gov site return ‘No Results’?

Jamaat ul-Fuqra

Former FBI special agent John Guandolo.

Guandolo said that federal leadership is reluctant to act against these Islamic organizations due to political correctness and the threats of lawsuits.

http://www.e3gazette.com/2009/04/domestic-extremists-that-d hs-isnt.html

If they are afraid of Law Suits, lets give them what they fear and sue the DHS for profiling Law Abiding Citizens.

Mike, you make a mockery of the name
The gov't has no more right to label all vets as right-wing or any wing than they have in threatening demonstrators with keeping their photographs and personal data (which is exactly what O land wants of our med. records).

It seems not so long ago the Big O was saying only patriots criticize their governments. Now that his is criticized suddenly dissent is extremeism and hatred.

The left should be afraid of the right here. The right has NEVER deomonstrated for anyting and now they have both taxes and slander, the tea parties will rage for months.

Right this min. Dems. in NY are trying to cull military ballots from the absentee votes in the Tedesco special election. The rats on their sinking ship are afraid most of the absentees are from the military and will elect a Rep.

Cons. who still want to brag they've left the Rep. Party, it is the ONLY alternative to the Dems. and Ron Paul should get on board with the bigger org. because to take back the nation will not be done by splinter groups and nursing grievances.

Go, Ollie, I have Marines in my family. There's no people better.

Radicals And Fanatics Should Be Watched.
Suicide bombers and other fanatics have beliefs that go beyond the normal realm of thought. Most of us are interested only in personal survival and at best our family and friends. Those that are willing to die for God or abstract principles are a rare breed. They are dupes, and only useful to their masters who need an idiot to make the ultimate sacrifice. Fanatics and radicals could be medicated rather than given the chance to spew their hatred or hurt the innocent. But that would be a violation of the right to freedom of speech. It would be in the national interest if they were carefully watched.

The "oath of ofice" . . .
that ALL veterans took upon entry to military service that is NOT rescinded upon completion of military service. This oath "to defend the Constitution against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC" is a LIFETIME committment made by ALL veterans.
Duty, honor, country are values, once instilled are NOT revocable.
Veterans, when the time comes,do the right thing.
Since obama subscribes to the communist (oops, I mean "progressive") playbook, he will take a page out of it to quell "disturbances". It is likely that he will request "united nations" troops in case of "trouble". "United nations" troops would have NO allegiance to our country or its citizens. The former "soviet union" employed this tactic many times.
Military people, both present and former, REMEMBER, illegal "orders" are NOT to be followed. Our allegiance is NOT to one man (obama) but to the CONSTITUTION of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA.

While DHS goes looking @ bumper-stickers
...searching for their next blonde-haired, blue-eyed example of 'Domestic Terrorism'...

the enemy is already INSIDE the gate.

http://www.e3gazette.com/2009/04/domestic-extremists-that-d hs-isnt.html

- MuscleDaddy

(p.s. - yer still my hero, Ollie - I thought it was a 'pretty neat idea' too)

The left
Does not believe in any principles but one, their own will.

They do not even believe in moral relativism, for if they did they could not find fault with any person on earth.
They would not hate Christians or Conservatives, as just one other view.

But they do hate Christianity and Conservatives.

Where is their tolerance for people like me?

I have been a target for the most vile hate and intolerance the human mind can dream up.
So has all Conservatives, Christians, Republicans.

"We are fast approaching the stage of ultimate inversion:
the stage where government is free to do anything it pleases,
while the citizens may act only by permission;
which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history,
the stage of rule by brute force."
Ayn Rand, The Nature of Government

homeland security
It appears because I am a veteran, I oppose gun control, I have religious beliefs, And I do not agree with what "our Government" current Policies are I have essentially been reclassified as A (White Extremist); Although My heritage goes back to the colonization of this great country. I believe in the Constitution and that It should not be rewritten. If you take the words in God we trust off of our currency we will lose all financial blessings. The government should be promoting Gun safety and offering classes rather than trying to stop gun sales. After all the only reason we are a Free country is because we can and will defend ourselves.

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We all need to stand together to defeat this Federal legislation!

Napilotano says:
I love you America, and this give me the right to call you all extremists

Obama is in Old Mexico
And showing he has become the Jeremiah Wright of the Oval Office, blaming America for the problems in Mexico.
Just as he has done in Europe, Turkey and everywhere he goes.

He blames America for the sins of mankind found anywhere there are men.
He is a self-righteous hypocrite if God ever allowed one to exist.

Mexico has been a Corrupt Government since its very Foundations.

Many in the Mexican Government profit off illegal drugs and immigration.

The US Government has sent Mexico tons of American made weapons.

Mexico is wide open for China, Cuba, Venezuela shipping in AK 47's.


Drub Dealers:
They do not need a single weapon from the United States, but have access to the very weapons sent to Mexico by the US Government itself.

Obama is down there and relaying the "G*d Damn" America speech of Jeremiah Wright.

The only person he has ever shown a DEEP RESPECT FOR, is the most TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT ON THIS PLANET, Saudi Arabia by BOWING TO THAT DESPOT.

Showing reverance for the Government that is founded in cruel treatment of mankind.

Whose very laws are considered CRIMES in western Civilization and every State in the Union.
He makes me sick

"extremism"
The most radical, extreme set of thoughts ever set to paper by human beings are embodied in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Among them are -

[1] Human beings are endowed with natural rights by their Creator
[2] Governments are instituted among The People to secure those rights
[3] Governments are accountable to The People, and may be replaced by The People when a government no longer serves its purpose (see [2])
[4] When a government exceeds its bounds, it is the Duty of The People to restore it to its proper function.
[5] individuals don't bow down to government functionaries, that those functionaries are the temporary stewards of limited power, explicitly defined in a written Constitution, accountable to The People.

All who hold these thoughts sacred are counted as extremists of the most dangerous kind. This is easily confirmed by reading a bit of history, looking at the trash written in the domestic equivalents of Izvestia and Pravda, listening to the fulminations of leftist elected officials, MoveOn etc.

May we extremists become ever more numerous, for all the time humankind is granted by the Creator.

Joel De--Terrorist Sympathizer
Since I don't want to offend you by taking your extreme comments out of context:

"The only thing wrong with what McVeigh did was his choice of targets. The building he targeted contained a child day care center. No matter what, children are off limits. No target is worth killing children. Second, that federal building did not contain those responsible for the Waco massacre, in which innocent people, including women and children, were burned alive.

If McVeigh had taken targeted Janet Reno, and/or Bill Clinton, then his actions would have been just, and he would have been a hero, instead of a murdering fool."

You are a traitor, a fool, and a terrorist sympathizer. The DHS report is aimed directly at you.

ALERT! Obama STEALTH Gun Control HR45
HR45 was just introduced in the House and is the greatest threat to your 2nd amendment rights ever put forth in Federal legislation. Obama had Holder craft the bill and it was submitted by one of the Gun Control Democrats.
Visit my Blog site to learn more immediately!

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We all need to stand together to defeat this attack on gun rights!

I will try
I am not the best at writing my thoughts to be as clear as i want to be.
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Robert Location: MN
Reply # 85
Date: Apr 17, 2009 - 2:18 PM EST
talent scout, please explain
"willful distortions of false accusations"

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False accusations are always a distortion of the truth.

If any person knows the truth, and willfully distorts the truth by making a false accusation.

I hope I am able to express it good enough to understand.

To call McVeigh a "right-wing" or a "left-wing" is intentional lies.

He was a violent indiviudual, no matter if he was raised a democrat.
Democrats had nothing to do with his crimes and more than Christians or republicans did.

And to use this man to accuse anyone but himself is a lying intentional distortion of the facts.

All the while the media and the left say we cannot blame all muslims for the deeds of a few, they will NOT GIVE THIS SAME RESPECT TO AMERICA OR AMERICAN CITIZENS.

Ali Ghrahib prison is a perfect example.

A couple people mis-treated prisoners and the press went to town in blaming AMERICA.

The media is used today to make false accusations and distort the facts and politics of America today.
They will quickly disrespect any of the Founders and HEAP PRAISE ON CASTRO OR SOME SUCH LEFT WING EXTEMIST

Forgot the link for this
"35 terrorist compounds in our nation. This is about the spread of homegrown terrorists in our backyard. The group, Muslims of America, have established 35 compounds in the U.S."

http://faultlineusa.blogspot.com/2009/03/video-35-islamic-t errorist-training.html

Slogan
I'm the radicalized right-winger the DHS warned you about.

Violence is growing daily
In every American City.
Murder is on-going in DEED.

The actual destruction of innocent people is really happening, right now, this very minute in every single major city in America.

One Third of all this killing is coming from people who are citizens of some other nation of the world.

Brought in and welcomed in by the Federal Government itself.

The Federal Government, the US State Department is handing out passports to muslims like it was candy.

And standing back while others come in without a passport.

Here is the people training to kill Americans the Government has went out of their way to bring here.

quote:
"35 terrorist compounds in our nation. This is about the spread of homegrown terrorists in our backyard. The group, Muslims of America, have established 35 compounds in the U.S."

These people not only are using guns, they are using explosives.
Training to kill Americans.
No mention of these extremists by Janet Napilotano.
No mention of these extremists by the Obama Admin.

No mention of these extremists by the Media.
Not ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, or NY Times, Los Angeles Times, Kansas City, Chicago, Miami, Houston (or any) newspapers.

But who has the head of DHS called out for special attention?

Americans who love America and Veterans who have sworn an Oath, not to Government, but to the US Constitution.

The same document Napilotano herself was required to Swear and oath to.
The same document Obama was Sworn to uphold.

Obama is on record saying the US Constitution is flawed, and he is the perfect one.

So how does any man swear an oath to a document he thinks is flawed?
He willfully lies, that is the only way possible.

There is no fellowship between truth and lies.




talent scout, please explain
"willful distortions of false accusations"

Sounds like a good thing.

I will show a perfect picture
Words of Gold, Framed in Silver.

The power of words on the minds of men.

God has a Word for Janet Napilotano.

Will she listen?
We know the answer, so does the Lord.
She is like Pilate, in a position of power of Government and never recognized who he stood in Judgment of, but faintly.

Government, a power that God Himself created and given Duties and Limits.

As made clear by Declaration on July 4th 1776.

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them,......



As God will allow a man to bring his own rope to hang himself, so will God give to a Government.

No better example than Adolf Hitler, whose foot steps the Obama Admin is following.
Incremental steps towards a place Angels FEAR to Tread.

God rules in the Kingdom of Men, and no nation on this planet is going to amend or abolish the Laws of Nature and Natures God.

What he sows, he will reap.
This is true for a man or a Nation.

Napilotano is sowing hate and division, and God has judged her.

The fool never sees it coming any more than Hitler did

Janet Napilotano is sowing the seeds of
hate? Well perhaps contempt--and they deserve it. All I can really say to the Secretary: Right Wing Extremism Rocks the way the Socialist/fascist define it. Sorry Gay Old Gal Secretary J-NO but I am an American and NOT a Citizen of the World-He Whose Middle Name is Hussein not withstanding.

Here I stand Bitterly Clinging to God and Guns ;-)

Tim McVEIGH, raised a democrat
Not even a part of any Christian Church or Conservative group.

He was simply a violent person, whose violent tendencies have been exploited to divide the nation and falsely identified as "right-wing" just so that name tag can be used for political reasons creating divisions and stirring up hate.

Hatred is coming from the people who would want this man identified with law abiding American Citizens.
That is hate, and divisive politics.

Its sowing hate and they will reap hate.

Its a law of nature and natures God.
The fundamental truths of this world we all live in and want to live in peace with all.

Some men do not want peace, so they sow hate to stir up the passions, using anger and willful distortions of false accusations, that divide, not unify or bring peace.

They do no want peace, they want chaos.

Janet Napilotano is sowing the seeds of hate and division using slander by profiling her political enemies by false accusations.

Job 4:8 -
Even as I have seen, they that plow iniquity, and sow wickedness, reap the same.


r729
I'm not even remotely liberal, but nice try. Care to elaborate?

Andrew
Go back to the daily Kos. I can't wait until all the charges against acorn bury them once and for all. Then you would have to apply for unemployment idiot.

SSG R
It is amazing how liberals like you love to attack people. I think you have more than proved who the real moron is.

talent scout
Very well put. And very scary.

Janet Napolitano has drawn a line
In the sand and has made DHS a Political Arm of the Extremists she approves of.
Her own extremism is meant to divide the nation.
She is using her position that was created to incorporate all government and police powers in America, a absolute power, illegal under the US Constitution.
Does not matter if Bush or Obama created this illegal arm that is now showing itself to be a political arm of force to be used against Law Abiding American Citizens.

This is intended to divide the nation, and it has.
Instead of promoting the values and standards of American Unity, she is intentionally undermining every single right in the Bill of Rights by an Abuse of Power.

Which always happens when any person gets too much power.

She is the extremist and needs to be fired, today

a
I for one have had enough of the arrogant left, you included. People like you are the very real danger to this world.

I, TOO AM AN EXTREMIST
Satan is the master of calling good evil and evil good...Wonder if he took lessons from Obama...

The homeland security assessment is a mirror of Obama's own mindset..

Has everyone forgotten Obama said that small town Americans, because of job loss, cling to Bibles and guns and resent anyone different(prejudiced) and are against immigration..

Obama hates Americans....

The right should sue Obama and his administration for every move that make that is unconstitutional..Maybe even prosecute Obama for sedition and treason..He is planning on replacing the Declaration of Independence and The Constitution... These are his own words..These are words of a traitor..

Hate speech contrasts
While talk radio and Christian's are being demonized for time honored values, the Obama Admin is friends with Louis Farakhan.

One small exajmple from the ocean of such speech and teaching(let alone Jermiah Wright)
Here is extremism:

quote:

Louis Farrakhan is known by his followers as being “a better orator than Martin Luther King Jr., a better author than Norman Mailer, a better diplomat than Henry Kissinger, and more handsome than Muhammad Ali.” Let’s take a look at one the best known and most articulate Black Muslims in America and his ideology.

According to founder Wallace D. Fard Muhammad, the Muslim Cult of Islam started in July 4, 1930. Ford proclaimed he was sent to wake “the black nation to the full range of the black man’s possibilities in a world temporarily dominated by the blue-eyed devils.” He taught that the African American culture was unique and separate from that of “the Caucasian devils.”
http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/X0065_Nation_of_Islam. html

This man and hundreds like him are friends of Obama and Napilotano.

There is a connection for their extremism and hate.
Napilotano hates the values that created America and works for global government, not America


Bill Ayers
A friend of obama and janet (Waco) napilotano.

A bomb throwing terrorist, a criminal thug, a lover of murder.
Instead of being put to death as he should have been, he was given a job in a University and is a friend of obama and napolitano

We are all extremists now...
I am disgusted with our government. All I can say to you all is support the 10th amendment and hope that your states can reassert their Constitutional rights. 28 states are doing so through resolutions as we speak.

Is the current situation any different from England ruling us from afar? We are being ruled by an increasingly statist central government. Your representation is participating in the unconstitutional behavior. Powers and rights that were once bestowed on the states and citizens by the 10th amendment have been taken for so long that we have come to accept it...

OOPS! I asserted that the 10th amendment be observed - put me on the list DHS. I fit about 5 other criteria as well... I'm a target.

Lets look at two well known extremists
Both bomb makers and violent, willing to kill innocent people.

Bill Ayers and Tim McVeigh.

Both extremists and violent men.

McVeigh holds the record for being put to death for his violence, not a single person asked for a stay of execution.

Ayers tried to kill as many as McVeigh and friends, but was an incompetent terrorist is all.

McVeigh was put to death faster than any man in the last 150 years and Ayers is honored by Napolitano and Obama for his murdering bomb throwing.

The true extremists are in the WH and DHS

SSG R MD Apr 17, 2009 - 12:37 PM EST

Keep taking notes, eat a good breakfast, get plenty of rest, and maybe, just maybe, one day you will be that sly.

Something to look forward to, don't you think?

Yo Ollie! I am
an extremist also. My claim to fame is that I am a 79 year old honorably discharged Korean War Veteran, an ardent Pro-Life supporter, a Christian, and a vigorous opponent of illegal immigration.
'Nuff said!!

Exteremists
I noticed that their is slight mention of left wing extremist but they seem to played down. Is that because the enviroweenis and the nuts at peta tend to vote dem that they are not mentioned out loud but while someone coughs. This way DHS can say we don't take sides we mention all the groups. The problem is they mention some a lot louder than others.

Robert MN Apr 17, 2009 - 11:56 AM EST

I guess you didn't get the message about Waco.

Maybe you're not cleared.

I can't tell you more.

Highlander Juan says:
"They (the Branch Davidians) were harmless people; maybe stupid, but they were harmless and defenseless against U.S. military power."

Then why did they need grenades and cyanide? Just normal household products?

Joel De Oppresso Liber
You are right on. Anyone can take things out of context, like so many did with the Col.s article. I believe the DHS did a left wing invest. too.. Anyway I am behind The Col. in his thoughts. The report is a little ambiguous. Kinda all over the place with little sense in some areas.As a former SF Trooper, I get where you are comong from and doubt some others have a clue.

robert
You are bringing in isolated intances. Show me cause and effect. Stats showing a trend. It exists for left wing causes and promoters. It aint there for the right right. Right?

Highlander Juan - 20 agents shot,
4 died. When they tried to serve papers.

Oklahoma bombing would not have happened if not for Waco.Nice logic.

Are you letting McVeigh off the hook also?

Do you think polygamy should be a part of the social fabric of America?

Andrew;

Among the many hundreds of people who post on TH there are a few who talk about armed revolt and this bothers you. What about the radical groups of the 60's and 70's that killed police officers and blow up buildings? What about the eco terrorists that have blown up saw mills and burned Suv's? Not a word from the left. You are all a bunch of useful idiots that have been brainwashed by the MSM. You take every thing they regurgitate as gospel and question nothing but TH postings. And don't respond how you have responded to both sides. I've seen none of it.

Mr. North
You are indeed an "Extremist". However,you failed to complete your statement. I am an "Extremist Crook"...

Law enforcement extremists
What is even more ironic? Many, if not most, members of law enforcement would fall under the DHS description "right-wing extremist."

Ref: Waco and Ruby Ridge...
Yes, the liberals will do it again, and when they do, I think that will seal their fate. Also to the noodle-heads who claim the Patriotic Act made it legal to spy on Americans' phone calls, emails and library books...wrong...it made it legal to spy on suspected terrorists and even then only after a Federal judge gave the go ahead if he was satisfied that the government had sufficient cause...you TWITS! I can guarantee the Obamanation is doing it today on Americans who they even THINK about protesting, and without any protection by the Judicial branch.

I Proud To Be An American Extremist
I love the true and Living God of the Bible, Jesus, and I love my country America. It isn't the country that I was born in 50+ years ago. The elite have changed it, dumbed down the people, made every vice a taxable pleasure, and purpose control of the population. The Bible says what will happen in "the last days" and we are there. That's Ok because I know were my real home is, and Obama isn't a resident there.

Welcome
to the homeland contingency operatation...

And I will add
that part of living in a democracy is that sometimes the other guys win. With the freedom that we enjoy here comes responsibility - the responsibility to behave like an adult when the guy you voted for loses. I have no opposition to anyone demonstrating - on the contrary, the ability to demonstrate is a crucial part of our freedoms. But to go about calling for armed rebellion in a public forum is asking for trouble, and quite rightly so. Yes, there are extremists on both sides of the political spectrum, as January's report about left wing extremists shows. The government is right to take any threat seriously. How anyone can be surprised by this report I do not know.

Joel-De Oppresso Liber NV

They say maturity comes when you start calling things by their right names. Both you and I seem to have gotten that far. Good for us and for our families. Good for others who also 'get it.'

I think we're surrounded by a whole bunch of immature folks, who we've allowed to be pampered for too long, and who will cry for their mama when things get really bad for them.

So, it will be you and I, and those like us, who will rebuild our country.

Awesome challenge, don't you think?

One of the great things about Townhall
is that the level of stupidity on display never ceases to amaze me.
Try, if you can, to imagine a DailyKos thread that included many calls for armed revolt, just lke threads on Twonhall do. Would any of you mind those people being watched by the DHS? I certainly wouldn't. And yet you people seem to think that the DHS should give you a pass because you think yo're "patriots"??? Come on, give it some thought for a moment.
One poster here wrote something about "the only thing McVeigh did wrong was to target a building that had children in it". Is that serious? What, murdering hundreds of innocent American adults, doing nothing but going about their daily jobs, is ok because they were in a federal building????? That is about as unAmerican a comment I have seen in the years I have been reading these threads. And this person is surprised that the DHS, in a report commissioned by a Republican president I add, is upset that he is being called an "extremist"??

I must be an Extremist too.
I served in the Military and this POS says I'm an Extremist. FU J. Napolitano FU...

Robert MN Apr 17, 2009 - 9:11 AM EST

You are either unbelievably ignorant or you are being disingenuous. The tragedy at Waco has been clouded in mystery because of a huge government cover-up operation. There are many legitimate legal questions about Waco, but it is clearly understood that the Waco residents did not go on government property and attack the government. Nor did the Waco residents go out of their way to cause harm or damage to anyone on or off of the Branch Davidian property. They were harmless people; maybe stupid, but they were harmless and defenseless against U.S. military power.

Waco will remain with the United States as an embarrassing and probably unlawful over-reaction by U.S. government agencies that resulted in the death and legal prosecution of American citizens that belonged to a religious sect not favored by the government. Where did our government get the authority to raid and kill American citizens they do not approve of?

You may approve of such unconstitutional government behavior, but I and many other Americans will disagree with you.

Be aware that if Waco had not happened, neither would the Oklahoma City bombing have happened. Think about that for a moment.

And with Obama's witch hunting, paranoia, and lust for power, I'm afraid we will see more Waco's in the near future. He will do whatever he can to demonize lawful Americans that are concerned about his usurpation of power and of the presidency.

And that concerns me greatly. It should also concern you.

TRANSPARENCY ?
TRANSPARENCY PROMISED BY THE MESSIAH:

It appears to this " EXTREMIST " that transparency has a new meaning, or did he simply leave out the word "LIMITED"? He seems to spend a lot of time bashing PRESIDENT BUSH's policies, the policies and the man who KEEP US SAFE for seven-years. He has now decided to publish classified reports on interrogations, again I believe to be just another BASH at BUSH! Where is his transparency on the "STIMULUS PACKAGE" Who is getting it and where is all of our money being spent? The reason it is not being reported is very simple! He is " PAYING OFF " all the individuals who voted for him. When this all comes out ( AND IT WILL ) he will go down in history at the top of a list of the biggest crooks of all time, MADOFF, BLAGO, STANFORD, CAPONE, HUSSEIN, CHAVEZ, just to name a few.
He made a complete fool of himself at the G20!
using to hands to shake with the QUEEN, BOWING to his AYATOLLAH of ISLAM in SAUDIA ARBIA, cowing in MEXICO, what is he going to do next?
ABOLISH THE CONSTITUTION AND DECLARE SHARIA LAW?
This individual and his CULT of Pelosi, Reid, Dean, Dobb, Murtha, Geithner,Clinton X2, Spitzer, Kerry, Edwards, Gore, Biden, and the rest of his MAFIA GANG, really worries me AND should worry the entire country.

MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON THEM ... BECAUSE I CANNOT!

a
Really? So, Micheal Moore, George Soros, The Clintons, President Obama, the pro-abortion lobby, and posters like you, Hal "Robert" Donohue, Taft, 7Sticks, etc, just loved, adored, admired, and respected President Bush, eh?

What's good for the goose, and all that.

What do you expect?
Fellow Right Wing Extremists, this was written by a Left Wing Extremist who works for a Left Wing Extremist.
What did you expect?
Forget North Korea (We Can Talk With Them), China(WCTWT),Russia(WCTWT),Iran(WCTWT), You my fellow Right Wing Extremists are the enemy.
You can't be "reasoned" with.
Could it be Left Wing Extremists aren't reasonable? Hmmm.

I'm in good company
If Col. North is a right wing extremist, then so am I as I hold the same beliefs.

This is not a conversation piece
This is an official US government "assessment". It is meant to be used for profiling, harassment, intimidation, coercion and abrogation of civil rights. It must be investigated by Congress and it MUST BE RETRACTED.

I WONDER
if ACORN is on that left wing list.

Funny thing is...
...All the liberals who are screaming about this piece (and Dianne West's on the same subject) are spending their time and electrons on ad hominem attacks against the writers. They make no attempts to actually counter the arguments that the Obama Administration hates (using the term the way gays apply it to Christians) conservatives.

A Salute For YOU Col.
Thank you Sir, for your efforts to inform those with a brain about the actions their historic President is taking against the American People. However, the rush to find an easy target, puts the focus on the former Governor of the State of Arizona and DHS. After our great historic President informed our enemies about how America gets information to defeat Islamic/Muslim Terrorist(Man Caused Disasters;Janet), I think the heads you are calling for does not begin to address the problem.
As a Vietnam Veteran, I must admit that when I heard about the report, on the one hand I was PROUD because I met the same criteria you did, but on the other I was angered. The Obama Administration did not include "SMOKERS" as Right Wing Extremist in their report. As a Marine, I took great offense that I did not receive "Triple Threat Right Wing Extremist" status as a result of their "inexperience" in preparing this report.
SEMPER FI ONE
USMC

Happy Jake
Yup, welcome to the club.
These libs are scared to death that they may see the true Americans rise up in rightous indignation and throw them all out on their ear, we still have that right and the means to do so even though they'd love to take it from us.

Some apology we vets got from that moron napolitano "to the extent" that vets were etc etc???? that's an apology?
get real lady!

Just remember...
...the President that appointed this DHS secretary favors eliminating secret ballots in union elections.

I am...
...A political conservative
...a devout Roman Catholic
...opposed to legalized abortion
...opposed to same-sex "marriage" and other behavior-based privileges couched as "rights"
...in favor of tightening our border security
...opposed to allowing to stay in this country those who violated laws to get here
...a 12-year veteran of the US Air Force Reserve
...in favor of reducing federal power with respect to state authority and in accordance with the Constitution
...a gun owner
...opposed to government ownership or stake in private industry
...in favor of serious punishments for serious crimes
...strongly opposed to most of the stated opinions and positions of our current president.

Am I now a suspected terrorist?

Joel-De Oppresso Liber
You seem to be hellbent on rewriting the history of David Koresh. The govenment was not the evildoer in the sad scenario of Waco, it was David Koresh who put innocent people at risk and rigged the compound to become an inferno. Get your history straight.

Fire Napolitano
NOW. If there is an extremist out there it is she. One of the most interesting things about her diatribe is that this report was not to be released to the public. Does this not say enough? This is outrageous. Obama should get rid of all the tax cheats, crazies and lobbyists and start over. The media in this country are a joke. I fear for the country my grandchildren will inherit. Our founding fathers risked their fortunes and their very lives to give us what became the greatest country in the world. Many have died to protect it.

Paranoid Too
I just tried the site FreedomAlliance.org
also and wasn't able to access it. Hmmmmmmmmm. I wonder what that's about????

Extremism
It is not "right-wing extremists" that we must be wary of today, but rarher "left-wing extremists", who in reality are misguided, sanctimonious, know-it-all academics and activists who would, by virtue of their arrogance and ignorance, attempt to curtail the freedoms granted to us in the constitution and bill of rights by founding fathers far smarter and astute than they ever were!

Other Rightwing Extremsts
Other right wing extremists would include judging them by their writings and military records:

Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Franklin
George Washington
Thomas Paine

Which speaks volumes about the direction our government is heading, and the ringing truth these men spoke. We're in exceptional company if this is the standard of a right wing "extremist."

ON
" I am a Christian and meet regularly with other Christians to study God's word. "

Really?!

The libs can bad-mouth Ollie
all they want to, but I would go into battle with him anytime anywhere.

Those of us who wore the uniform know leadership, it was our business, something the feathermerchants will never understand.

Semper-Fi shipmate

Jack VA Apr 17, 2009 - 7:41 AM EST

With posts like that one, you don't have much credibility either.

Bad Title
"I believe in the sanctity of human life."

Excuse me why I laugh and throw up. Ollie, if I read over the old hearings from Iran Contra I would say you care as much about the sanctity of life as a hungry lion cares about a weak antelope. You are the absolute epitome of a hypocrite. You claim to be a devout Christian, but your actions are hardly Christ-like. By all accounts you should have been thrown in jail years ago. But you get a pass because you suck up to the Christian Right. You have absolutely NO credibility. So don't expect anybody to take you or anything you say seriously.

I Am an Extremist and Proud
I go to bed one night and wake up to find out I am a domestic terrorist. If owning a gun and ammo, being a Christan, and a veteran who has served in two services the USMC & US Army. And yes I served in combat Vietnam, Desert Sheild, Desert Storm, & Desert Thunder 1 & 2 makes to a terrorist then what in the hell does that make my government. CROOKED. Oh by the way the Constitution give me these rights. What right does the government has?

Thanks Ollie!

All of us are supposed to change and improve as we age. It is a pleasure to learn from your unique experiences and observations.

I just hope the rest of our military and former military view life in America in a similar fashion.

I think they must, because the Obama administration has declared the military the enemy, so they've got to be doing something right - like swearing to uphold the Constitution and to defend America against all enemies, both foreign and domestic.

Semper Fi, Marine!

May success attend your efforts.


Me Too Ollie!
Many in my family fit this alternative reality too!

It's comical to see these "useful idiots" still parroting the Communist Party line after all these years! LOL

Our country is now being run by people who share the same ideology as Nazis, Fascists and Communists, all various forms of Socialism. Socialism is EVIL, 300 million dead and counting!

-swathdiver


Very good Col North
When your column hits the bulls eye then you get a nice squeal from the maggots and parasites. Some call them democrats.

You were dead center again with you article. Keep up the good work.

Thank you for your service to our country.

mike and 7sticks
Don't speak of which you know nothing. If you weren't part of Col. North's detachment you have no idea what went on, just what the mediots and congress told you.

THE BROTHERHOOD OF FEAR
The sweeping indictment of conservative Americans in the recent DHS report branding us dangerous right wing nuts should come as no surprise as it is symptomatic of an insecure administration quickly losing its grip on reality and devolving into paranoia; an administration fearing a strong populist backlash over its radical policies to socialize, transform and deconstruct America. An administration headed for the rocks. At the height of the madness that shook the late 60s Ayn Rand said of the New Left that it was "a brotherhood of fear." And so it was and still is as is evident from this document.....

Click ApolloSpeaks and read the rest of this piece.

Mike, Heavy Doug and 7sticks
are 1005 CORRECT. Oliver North was an extremest when he worked in Gov't. Broke the law and is here weekly (weakly?) on TH. What a great country!

Janet Napolitano apologized...
I mean.. she used the phrase "an apology" inside a statement that otherwise made no sense and was barely coherent... but she did use the word "apology" so that must have been an apology, right?

Thank You ...
Good Post! I "believe" exactly the points you make and, like you, am saddened and disheartened to see the direction our "leaders" are taking this great, God-Fearing, country. In a "perverse way", Neopolatano's report is accurate. Judging by the "Tea Party" turnout yesteday, it isn't going to take much more for these "fools" to really make the productive, freedom loving people of this country tell them all to "stick it"! Keep leading sir, I will gladly follow.

What is their intent?
When things like this - and there are others -surface, any rational person has to begin worrying how far they'll go in destroying America in order to remake it in Obama's image.

Why would any liberal group want to take the good guys guns away, unless they intended to do something radical and thus, feared them.

This anti-traditianal values crowd that was birthed in the sixties has now taken over and is moving fast before the lemmins wake up.

FreedomAlliance.org
I see that site is "Not Available" when I just tried to read that govt. report on "Rightwing Extremism". Should I be paranoid?

Is the Government Turning on the People?
It's never a good idea to target your "national security base".

You are a sick man North


Arms for the Iranians in one hand, cocaine in the other from the Contras. You in the middle of death and misery talking about being a Christian, when you are barely human.

War-making death merchant.


This report
By DHS has profiled probably 1-200 million Americans.

80 percent of us are against illegal immigration,

45 million or so are Veterans.

200 million of us at least own fire arms.

100 million of us know a murder racket called abortion is still murder.

The extremist is Janet (Reno Waco) Napolitano.

Gotta love Mike Savage and he is going to need all our support.
=======================

Savage sues Napolitano for targeting vets
DHS report 'would have admiration of any current or past dictator'

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=95244

Missouri did the same thing :
More than just the DHS is involved, oh, by far:

"The warning earlier prompted Americans for Legal Immigration to issue a "national advisory" against relying on any such reports."

The Missouri document, it said, "attempted to politicize police and cast suspicion on millions of Americans. The 'Missouri Documents,' as they came to be called, listed over 32 characteristics police should watch for as signs or links to domestic terrorists, which could threaten police officers, court officials, and infrastructure targets.

"Police were instructed to look for Americans who were concerned about unemployment, taxes, illegal immigration, gangs, border security, abortion, high costs of living, gun restrictions, FEMA, the IRS, The Federal Reserve, and the North American Union/SPP/North American Community. The 'Missouri Documents' also said potential domestic terrorists might like gun shows, short wave radios, combat movies, movies with white male heroes, Tom Clancey Novels, and Presidential Candidates Ron Paul, Bob Barr, and Chuck Baldwin!" ALIPAC wrote.

It said the report cited the Southern Poverty Law Center as a resource.

"When many of us read these Missouri Documents we felt that the false connections, pseudo research, and political attacks found in these documents could have been penned by the SPLC and ADL," said William Gheen of ALIPAC. "We were shocked to see credible law enforcement agencies disseminating the same kind of over the top political propaganda distributed by these groups."

A blatant attempt to criminalize conservatives, and conservative policies.

These people should be fired, and sued to continue the issue.

Signing up for "The List"
I too want to thank you for revealing the latest abominatiion put out by the Obama administration. I can't believe they have really gone this far...to put TRUE Americans on an alleged list of extremist and warning that citizens of the U. S. who are conservative are now considered to be the most dangerous among us. Obviously all involved in composing and distributing this "Assessment" are extremely dangerous. This is almost word for word of the teaching that he sat under in his "church" for 20 years and the mindset of his terrorist friend, Bill Ayers. Both of these men are surely smiling, as their teaching is now going forth from the White Housse. God help us all.


The heart behind change to believe in
Thank you for revealing this; I continue to be shocked by the official government statements and (what I view as left-wing extremist) direction that comes from the Obama administration. It amazes me that they are so open about their apparent revulsion for anybody who doesn't agree with the direction they're taking our country. Also, how would they know about right-wing extremist chatter? they must be breaking the law and monitoring American citizens. I went to http://www.FreedomAlliance.org to view the full report, but the website has been shut down or blocked... I guess the DHS has abused their authority, and I can only suspect it won't be the last time. This is scary stuff.

Actually, yes you are
Remember the whole breaking federal law thing? Lying to Congress about a scheme to trade arms with our enemies? Spare me the martyr routine. By the way, as you no doubt know, that report is one of a number of similar ones prepared over the years about the extreme right and the extreme left. Funny, I don't recall you getting so bent out of shape when the feds were infiltrating anti-war groups a few years ago or when the Patriot Act made it legal to spy on Americans' phone calls, e-mails and library books.

Newsflash: You've Been One For 20 Years!
Don't you recall the Walsh Report? Or how you betrayed Reagan (as much as I despised him) on the Irangate conspiracy?

Well maybe you weren't an extremist, but you certainly broke the law, no doubt. Heck, "Doonesbury" did a better job covering those crimes than the media did.
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