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Friday, April 03, 2009
Oliver North :: Townhall.com Columnist
Et Tu, Barack?
by Oliver North
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WASHINGTON -- Julius Caesar was murdered by Brutus and his friends in the Roman legislature on the ides of March 44 B.C. Free enterprise died at the hands of Barack and his friends in the American legislature on the 30th of March 2009. The following day, those same ministers of American government completed the death warrant for civic duty in our republic. They called it the "Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act." The bill passed -- as did the killing of Caesar -- with overwhelming support from the legislature.

It was a remarkable performance, worthy of a Shakespearean tragedy. In the space of 48 hours, the president of the United States seized control of one of the world's largest manufacturing companies and fired its CEO. He followed up by congratulating our representatives for creating the 14th-largest paid entity on the planet -- a quarter-million government-paid "volunteers." And then he departed the capital to receive the cheers of adoring crowds -- in Europe. If Adolf Hitler or Josef Stalin had done any of this, Americans would have gone crazy. As it was, most of our countrymen apparently enjoyed the show.

Mr. Obama not only fired Rick Wagoner, the CEO of General Motors, but also vowed to remake the company's board of directors in his own image. He also forced Chrysler to merge its operations with Fiat -- a foreign auto manufacturer -- and dictated to the two firms what kinds of products they may and may not manufacture. Finally, he assured the American people -- and presumably those in other nations, as well -- that "O-Team Auto Repairs" will stand behind these companies' warranties. How this can be perceived to be fair to Ford Motor Co. -- the only American auto brand that has not taken a government "bailout" -- wasn't even mentioned.

While Mr. Obama was firing GM's CEO and dictating terms to Chrysler, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner was threatening the same treatment to bank executives, and Rep. Barney Frank's Financial Services Committee was preparing to regulate the pay of ordinary Americans. On March 23, the committee adopted HR 1664, a bill that retroactively would impose government controls on the pay of all employees of any company that takes bailout funds and would prevent compensation for any employee that is "unreasonable or excessive." Those standards will be defined by the secretary of treasury and the chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, who will judge "the performance of the individual executive or employee to whom the payment relates."

These decisions -- that government, not the free market, shall dictate who runs a private corporation, what that corporation shall make or sell, and what it shall pay its employees -- are unprecedented in an America not fully mobilized for war. Apologists for the Obama administration -- and there are many -- note that previous administrations have done similar things in "difficult economic times." As examples, they cite Franklin Delano Roosevelt's Depression-era agricultural production limits to boost farm prices and Richard Nixon's "temporary" wage and price freeze to cut inflation.

What today's cheerleaders for Draconian interference in capitalism and our private lives fail to mention is that these measures were abandoned because they did not work. FDR's farm production limits produced a thriving black market and eventually succumbed to the need to feed millions of our countrymen suddenly drafted to fight World War II. President Nixon's attempt to dampen inflation with wage and price controls was a monumental failure. When he started the program, the inflation rate was nearly 4 percent. By the time he left office, it was more than 13 percent and climbing. But those ugly precedents aren't going to stop the O-Team from trying again.

Short of war, the unintended consequences of government intervention are often far worse than the problem it was supposed to solve. As the U.S. Senate was voting to spend a billion dollars a year to put a quarter-million civilian "volunteers" on the government payroll, Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., rose to ask his colleagues a salient question that applies as much to the takeover of the auto industry as it does to destroying community volunteerism: "Do you see anything in our history as a federal government that shows that we have the ability to effectively manage something like that?"

He then observed: "Despite the good intentions of this bill, we are creating a huge new government entity that will be unmanageable and violates some of the core principles of our civil society. Every time the government steps in to solve a problem, it creates three new problems in its place."

Let's hope that last sentence will not become the epitaph for the United States of America we knew before Barack.

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Hard To Believe
That so many who call themselve Americans willingly go along with this selling off of America and embracing the ways of the very enemy we stood up to for decades during the Cold War.

LewWaters
It took years of dumbing down America, which looks like it finally worked.

Barak is a 'world leader' not president
You fail to understand that becoming POTUS was a stepping stone for Hussein. This gave him the opportunity for the next and final act - immortality.

He will socialize as much of this economy as possible, make deals with our frenemies like China and Russia that compromise our military and economic future. In the end, when the world currency is agreed upon (6th year of his presidency) his face will be on it. And he will live forever!

BARAK AND MICHELLE WANT THE WORLD. THANK YOU AMERICA FOR GIVING THEM THE STEPPING STONE.

Torches and Pitchforks
It's time.

Some of us saw it coming
I'm kind of surprised that it came so soon but the failed education system has finally given us its fruit. We are truly an ignorant country and a good deal of the credit goes to our teachers and administrators as well as the parents.

Five great initial posts!
You are all correct. The only thing that remains to be seen is whether or not enough Americans are willing to stand up and say "NO!" to the systematic dismantling of our country and way of life, which is now underway.

How much do you love America, you true Americans? Are you willing to fight to save her? Are you willing to die to save her? You may have to. This is no joke. This is deadly serious. Think about it. And Who is John Galt?, you are correct...TORCHES AND PITCHFORKS...IT'S TIME!!!

All in the Plan
Yep, get as many people on the government payroll so they vote for you. Give all people (illegal or not) free college, so they can then be brainwashed in our "fine" universities, like the college grads the last 30 years have been. Give billions to Acorn to fraud as many elections in as many states as possible.
Result? A walking zombie electorate who has no idea how to think for themselves and has no clue as to the history of this country and what made it great, not to mention having nothing close to a work ethic. Perpetual Democratic control is the goal and result.
Anyone who doesn't follow this obvious plan of the Messiah, is as dumb as the bots that voted this Marxist into office.
I agree with #4......IT IS TIME!

Reply #4 & Ollie
There is slowly growing out cry from people who voted for this clown, also, that they wish they had not put him in to office.
I am seeing this from people in my life who did and now see the light. I did warn them.

Joel
Regarding your 8:29 am post, especially the first paragraph: RIGHT ON!!!!

The only small issue I have with it is that I think the scale of the massacre you speak of that will be the trigger is likely to make Ruby Ridge, Waco, the Boston Massacre, etc. look like a Girl Scout jamboree by comparison.

Joel-De Oppresso Liber 8:29am
Excellent post! You bring up some interesting thoughts.

Your first paragraph speaks for me and many others. And since many of our elected officials went to Washington "poor" and after a few years there are now rich, the trials must take back that money to pay the federal debt.

This is just going to blow up
I really expect this is just going to blow up and become a much bigger crisis.

So GM finally fails due to the market forces that have basically killed it off already. Fiat dumps Chrysler because it is a dog that cannot generate real profits. Several large banks have to be liquidated because tax payer money cannot support a failed business forever. Billions of taxpayer money is trashed and the assets of these failed companies end up in the same bankruptcy court they would have been anyway?

Where do we go then? Does the Government jump in and pretend to start building cars or running our banks. Where is the logical end?

Having been born in post-war Germany in
1947 and being fortunate enough to immigrate to this great nation in 1958, then serving 3 years in the US Army 1964-1967 and from that assimilating into a patriot each and every day counting my blessings provided me by our Lord never prepared me for what I am witnessing today.

The Socialist agenda being presented through Obama is so similar to 1933 Germany, in particular the taking over of corporations, banks, and the 250,000 strong civilan army which is way too reminiscent of the brown shirts and Hitler Jugend. They have stated boldly that a crisis is an opportunity to be acted upon, which is exactly what Herr Hitler and his thugs did.

What a shame it is that this country, which was the force that prevented the thugs of WW2 from spreading their evil globally may now fall into the same trap the germans did.

We cannot allow this to happen, we need to shout out loud before it's too late. Where are the leaders in this country to take the flag in one hand and the Constitution in the other and shout; "FOLLOW ME TO SAVE THIS REPUBLIC"?

Mr. North, are you ready?

Obama-Motors
Just wait until they force the price of gasoline over $4 again to make people buy the junk that they'll make GM and Chrysler build.

FLAWED PREMISE

.....CAESAR seized control of the ROMAN senate and declared himself Dictator for life ...the Roman Senators who assassinated him did so in the hope of restoring the Republic ...

.....In your analogy OBAMA becomes BRUTUS and it is the REPUBLIC that is being assassinated .....COLOSSUS

How bad are the Republicans
that they couldn't controll just one house of congress, thereby allowing this to happen? Their liberal lite philosophy allowed this mess to occurr, and they greatly share in the blame for it. It does not give me any hope that they are suposed to move us from the socialist abyss.

Joel, GrayGhost
The 4th Branch of U.S. Government is "The People", Ie - U.S. Citizens. The "People" have every authority and privilege that any of the other Branchs of U.S. governance hold.

This past week in the State of Georgia a formally convened "Citizens Grand Jury" indicted Obama for crimes against the Constitution. The bloodbath Joel spoke of, may very well ensue from this Constitutionally Lawfull action, initiated by U.S. Citizens. Note that those of us that are involved in this action are business owners, engineers, technical workers and craftspeople; all of whom have served or are qualified to serve in the future on any State or Federal Jury convened by a Government Court System. Many of us are Concealed Weapon Permit holders. You will note that before this issue is resolved, we will be labeled as members of a "crazy, lunatic fringe" and thoroughly demonized by the MSM and the Government.
Those of us involved in this intiative expect the reaction to be derision at best and eventual prosecution/persecution of the members of the "Georgia Citizens Grand Jury" by the various Government Judicial branchs and authorities. We, being the first to step out of the crowd will be the first targets of a certain, sure retaliation; not only by the Obama Democrat/Socialist SteamRoller, but also the Republican statists. Americans exercising the authority of the U.S. Constitution are an unacceptable threat to both Political Parties. Hide and watch.

Talk is cheap people. Get in touch with Carl A. Swensson at : prevere@riseupforamerica.com
Carl can tell you how to initiate a "Citizens Grand Jury" and actually get into the fight - instead of just talking trash. You can talk or you can get off your butts and at least attempt to make a difference.

You decide...

Dwain Cleveland

TOO SURREAL
It is evident now that we have a president who hates big business but loves big government. Where does it end? Can a nation founded on the principals of freedom long endure?

Would someone please tell me that the past three months is just a chapter out of Ron Serling's "Twilight Zone" or from "The Monty Python Circus"?

Whatever, it is going to be an on going fight for the remainder of the Obama administration to keep Americans safe, strong, secure, armed, untettered, untaxed and free. I'm already tired.


Oliver
You speak in such "Categorical" terms. Those defense stocks which you own are taking a beating? Well Good! President Obama is trying to clean up a "Mess",which is beyond your comprehension. I guess you have forgotten your job, which is making a "Mess". Also, leave the economics to those who have been properly trained. There is nothing worse, than one teaching, that which one does not know.

GM
So the government is taking over GM & Chrysler and dictating what they can make. GM and Chrysler will continue to lose money, while Ford, Nissan, and Toyota get rich by making what we want to buy.

ALL
If you missed it, read #2 = H2 Engineer.

It's a great idea.

As for me, the first State with "Secede" yes or no on A ballot is where i'll be moving.

ADOLF STALIN OBAMA must be stopped!

Ollie
"...These decisions -- that government, not the free market, shall dictate who runs a private corporation, what that corporation shall make or sell, and what it shall pay its employees -- are unprecedented in an America not fully mobilized for war..."

Actually not look at the labor riots in the late 1800's, early 1900's. Hey are we not at war? That is on the back burner now? Would you rather 6 million unemployed?

H2 Engineer
"Date: Apr 3, 2009 - 9:39 AM EST
Joel, GrayGhost...The bloodbath Joel spoke of, may very well ensue from this Constitutionally Lawfull action,...You will note that before this issue is resolved, we will be labeled as members of a "crazy, lunatic fringe" and thoroughly demonized by the MSM and the Government..."

The militia fringe is a joke. Careful what you ask for - you just might get it. You won't be demonised you will rightly be laughed at

"Dwain Cleveland" you are laughable and quite the kook. Are you on all the Anti-American,Anti-Constitution? I bet you are

H2 Engineer
"Date: Apr 3, 2009 - 9:39 AM EST
Joel, GrayGhost...The bloodbath Joel spoke of, may very well ensue from this Constitutionally Lawfull action,...You will note that before this issue is resolved, we will be labeled as members of a "crazy, lunatic fringe" and thoroughly demonized by the MSM and the Government..."

The militia fringe is a joke. Careful what you ask for - you just might get it. You won't be demonised you will rightly be laughed at

"Dwain Cleveland" you are laughable and quite the kook. Are you on all the Anti-American,Anti-Constitution? I bet you are

H2 Engineer
"Date: Apr 3, 2009 - 9:39 AM EST
Joel, GrayGhost...The bloodbath Joel spoke of, may very well ensue from this Constitutionally Lawfull action,...You will note that before this issue is resolved, we will be labeled as members of a "crazy, lunatic fringe" and thoroughly demonized by the MSM and the Government..."

The militia fringe is a joke. Careful what you ask for - you just might get it. You won't be demonised you will rightly be laughed at

"Dwain Cleveland" you are laughable and quite the kook. Are you on all the Anti-American,Anti-Constitution? I bet you are

H2 Engineer
"Date: Apr 3, 2009 - 9:39 AM EST
Joel, GrayGhost...The bloodbath Joel spoke of, may very well ensue from this Constitutionally Lawfull action,...You will note that before this issue is resolved, we will be labeled as members of a "crazy, lunatic fringe" and thoroughly demonized by the MSM and the Government..."

The militia fringe is a joke. Careful what you ask for - you just might get it. You won't be demonised you will rightly be laughed at

"Dwain Cleveland" you are laughable and quite the kook. Are you on all the Anti-American,Anti-Constitution? I bet you are

H2 Engineer
"Date: Apr 3, 2009 - 9:39 AM EST
Joel, GrayGhost...The bloodbath Joel spoke of, may very well ensue from this Constitutionally Lawfull action,...You will note that before this issue is resolved, we will be labeled as members of a "crazy, lunatic fringe" and thoroughly demonized by the MSM and the Government..."

The militia fringe is a joke. Careful what you ask for - you just might get it. You won't be demonised you will rightly be laughed at

"Dwain Cleveland" you are laughable and quite the kook. Are you on all the Anti-American,Anti-Constitution? I bet you are

Name 5 things
For those of you that think all the things that this "government" is doing is great let me ask you this:
Name 5 things that the United State Government does well...
I'll Spot you two
1. The IRS
2. The Military (when politicians stay out of it)

Revolution in the making
This administration is following some type of plan. I suspect that there will be a revolution of some kind. Possibly and armed revolution. People are already of the mind that the Obama administration will attempt a gun grab. It is also suspected that his threat of a "Civilian Security Force" will form his KGB. If this tax cheat Geithner gains the authority to seize any business that will be the end of free enterprise. When he was asked what constitutional authority he had to do so he acted like he did not know what the constitution was. Get ready. The first and second amendments may end soon.

the bigger question
Do we really want government providing bailouts to any business. Perhaps this will be used as a lesson to "free market" companies to stay out of bed with the government.

I'm generally against government involvement in business, but in this case the CEO should be paid no more than the highest paid government executive, and so on down the line. As soon as the last dollar is paid back to the bailout authorities, the company should be allowed to pay its managers and employees whatever it desires.

The lesson: Keep government out of your business or suffer the consequences.

Mark

RE: Hitler State?
I agree Col., this idiot is very dangerous to this country and he will stop at nothing to get his agenda pushed just look at how he doing it with the Porkulus Bill, Omnious Bill, and now his Budget, the systematic "Reshaping" of America into a Socialist/Communist state and throwing the Const. into the toilet, all the while he is sticking it to the Military and smiling to everyone while he works his EVIL agenda!!!

Dale
I disagree with you on the IRS.They are constantly being used by pols. against ordinary citizens.If the IRS did their job all those serving in the little O's cabinet would have had to pay a penalty like ordinary folks.

Hal Donahue - Fool and Lapdog
Donahue - In 1776 you would have been on your knees in front of Cornwall or whatever other British emmissary you deemed capable of providing you with protection. Washington, Adams, Hamilton, Jefferson and all those men and women that established Freedom and Liberty all those years ago were deemed the "lunatic fringe" by the tyrants and cowards of their era. The Constitution of the United States is something such Socialist psuedo-scholars such as yourself have no belief in at all, Hal.

You are a parasite on society and an apologist for the Anti-American, Anti-Constituionist forces in America. You are a purveyer of lies and half-truths and a devotee of the philosophy the "if you tell a big enough lie and repeat it often enough, some people will believe the lie to be truth.
We know you for what and who you are, Hal. You are a pathetic excuse for an American. May you continue to live the life you have chosen and reap that which you deserve from it. The following quote pretty much sums up who and what kind of scumbucket you are, Hal.

“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams, speech at the Philadelphia State House on August 1, 1776.

Dwain Cleveland

H2 Engineer
"Date: Apr 3, 2009 - 9:39 AM EST
Joel, GrayGhost...The bloodbath Joel spoke of, may very well ensue from this Constitutionally Lawfull action,...You will note that before this issue is resolved, we will be labeled as members of a "crazy, lunatic fringe" and thoroughly demonized by the MSM and the Government..."

The militia fringe is a joke. Careful what you ask for - you just might get it. You won't be demonised you will rightly be laughed at

"Dwain Cleveland" you are laughable and quite the kook. Are you on all the Anti-American,Anti-Constitution? I bet you are

Pay for performance
This bumbling form of determining pay raises for hourly employees was adopted by a company I was once associated with. It was so cumbersome and so punitive with regard to pay increases that the company was experiencing a huge turnover in its non-exempt work force.

It finally had to abandon pay for performance and implement a more conventional form of determining the basis for raises.

If pay for performance works for the government as it did for my former employer, any entity "controlled" under this scam will be losing valuable employees in large numbers. Way to go Barney! Et Tu Barack?

All of this is beyond belief
My country is gone. America has been kidnapped and sold into slavery. Never to return.

George W Bush and the Republican party did this to us. There is no other conclusion. Of course the rats are the ones raping our nation presently but they are there because the pubbie party failed utterly. They spit in the face of the prophet sent to them, Ronal Reagan, and now THIS ... this nightmare .... this unbearable situation we are in is the result.

May G-d d-mn every leftist to eternal h-ll and may there be a quizling pubbie there for each of them to torment forever.

H2 Engineer
"Date: Apr 3, 2009 - 11:13 AM EST
Hal Donahue - Fool and Lapdog
Donahue - In 1776 you would have been on your knees in front of Cornwall or whatever other British emmissary you deemed capable of providing you with protection..."

See here is where you are so wrong. It is the reactionaries like you and so many other little guys who would have been trying to hunt down the liberal revolutionaries. Conservatives are SELDOM on the side of revolution almost always they counterrevolutionaries like you seem to be

"...Washington, Adams, Hamilton, Jefferson and all those men and women that established Freedom and Liberty all those years ago were deemed the "lunatic fringe" by the tyrants and cowards of their era..."

Again no they were not that is what terrified the British so much. The founders were accomplished and leaders in their communities.

"...The Constitution of the United States is something such Socialist psuedo-scholars such as yourself have no belief in at all, Hal..."

see this is crazy LOL it is you wanting to take up arms because your extremism has been solidly rejected by the American people. The Constitution lives but you don't like it LOL

"..."If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen."
- Samuel Adams, speech at the Philadelphia State House on August 1, 1776."

Said by a wealthy man LOL this is exactly what gunnyg is doing and I suspect you too

scottr
"Date: Apr 3, 2009 - 11:25 AM EST
All of this is beyond belief
My country is gone. America has been kidnapped and sold into slavery. Never to return..."

Your words are a joy to read. Slavery is where your reaganism/hooverism was taking us yet again.

"...May G-d d-mn every leftist to eternal h-ll and may there be a quizling pubbie there for each of them to torment forever."

WOW a curse I have not seen much of that on here. But keep up the great work - your day is done. I warned you last year

Texas
Seems to be a hot spot of Anglo traitors. I hope the Latin immigrants become the majority soon.

Merger wiht Fiat
Fiat, (Latin, 3rd person singular, present tense of fieri; to become, to come into existence)
1. an order issued by legal authority.
2. a sanction; an authorization
fiat money; paper currency made legal tender by law or "fiat", although not backed by gold or silver and not necessarily redeemable in coin.

Definition
I looked up the definition of "loathsome," in my dictionary, and it read, "Hal Donahue, Location PA."
Up to now I have always just ignored that particular twit, but his reply #42 above was just too disgusting.

wbheff
"Date: Apr 3, 2009 - 11:51 AM EST...Up to now I have always just ignored that particular twit, but his reply #42 above was just too disgusting."

Looking at the extremists from TX on TH it is time they either died off of old age or just faded away

wbheff
You don't like hard working Latin immigrants? Why not?

he he he he
Donahue is the kind of 'guy' who willingly takes it when in jail and even says he likes it. Shoot, he does like it. I'm ready for the civil war to start. And I especially like the fact that Donahue and his buds don't believe in guns. he he he he he

scottr
"Date: Apr 3, 2009 - 12:03 PM EST
he he he he
Donahue is the kind of 'guy' who willingly takes it when in jail and even says he likes it. Shoot, he does like it..."

Careful you are exposing your true sexual fantasies not that there is anything wrong with spinning that way

"... I'm ready for the civil war to start. And I especially like the fact that Donahue and his buds don't believe in guns. he he he he he"

20 Years military, three years city cop here. Careful you are starting to believe your own propaganda that can get you in trouble

scottr good news for you congrats
Iowa's Supreme Court legalized gay marriage Friday in a unanimous and emphatic decision that makes Iowa the third state _ and first in the nation's heartland _ to allow same-sex couples to wed.

Lew
Really its not hard to believe at all if you think about it. These quislings are not Americans. They aren't even men. These are men without chests. Born to be slaves. Men who do not even understand the concept of honor. Have no such thing as bravery or chivalry. Can not even conceive of such concepts. Because they are men without chests. Shadow men. The very opposite kind of men from those who founded this nation and gave it independence from a corrupt Europe.

Obama is going nationalize your wife!
You guys are retarded. Looks the republican party is back to the party of little black helicopters. Good luck with that...

scottr
"Date: Apr 3, 2009 - 12:14 PM EST...Have no such thing as bravery or chivalry. Can not even conceive of such concepts. Because they are men without chests. Shadow men. The very opposite kind of men from those who founded this nation and gave it independence from a corrupt Europe."

LOL You timid and frightened little man. Come on tell us what you have done for the nation and with your life. I can't wait to hear

Hal the Historian???
Hal - Just as PeeWee Herman is an actor of sorts; Hal Donahue is a historian of sorts. READ the Constitution, Hal. Don't interpret it.

Hal, Folks such as I are Constituionists; not liberals or conservatives or any other label you might want to apply. Government should govern per the letter of the U.S. Constitution. America is not a Democracy, Hal. You know that; you hate it, but you know that.

The King of England and his Forces repeatedly named the Founders of this Nation criminals, lunatics and terrorists. Why do you lie about history that can be fact checked so easily??

"see this is crazy LOL it is you wanting to take up arms because your extremism has been solidly rejected by the American people. The Constitution lives but you don't like it LOL"

Again, Hal - you put out your interpretation of what you read - instead of what was actually stated. Should there be any aggression initiated due to our efforts - it will against us, by the Government. None of us, involved in the "Citizens Grand Jury" initiative, have ever made any statements referring to any "taking up of arms". Those words came out of the imagination and off the key-board of "Hal the Historian".

Hal - you are by far, more wealthy than the vast majority of folks that post on this site, including myself. Again you obfuscate and misdirect in order to make no point at all. Even so - wealth, honestly earned is not a sin, Hal.
Freedom and Liberty are not gifts from any government, Hal. Our Nation, with all it's faults and failings, has been the worlds bastion of Freedom & Liberty for over 200 years. Whatever efforts it takes to preserve that Freedom and Liberty is worth the price, Hal.

"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests".
Patrick Henry


Dwain Cleveland

H2 Engineer
"Date: Apr 3, 2009 - 12:45 PM EST
Hal the Historian....READ the Constitution, Hal. Don't interpret it."

It must be interpreted even the founders as president did. The civil war and ending segregation put paid to much of states rights.

"....Hal, Folks such as I are Constituionists; not liberals or conservatives or any other label you might want to apply. Government should govern per the letter of the U.S. Constitution."

You are a fundamentalist and times, changes threats etc cause for interpretation. The constitution had a poison pill (slavery) in it and that alone justified interpretation

"... America is not a Democracy, Hal. You know that; you hate it, but you know that..."

I agree and don't hate it at all but look on the Iowa ruling story most here think it should be

The King of England and his Forces repeatedly named the Founders of this Nation criminals, lunatics and terrorists. Why do you lie about history that can be fact checked so easily??

"see this is crazy LOL it is you wanting to take up arms because your extremism has been solidly rejected by the American people. The Constitution lives but you don't like it LOL"

Hal
H2 Engineer just shoved it up your butt.

HAHAHOHAHAHA...DAMN, THAT WAS FUNNY!

Ignore the silly corrupt troll
Maybe worth one response for the lurkers but really a waste of bandwidth.

I imagine Ford
is having the last laugh.

I wouldn't feel sorry for Ford. They are probably thanking God they dodged a bullet.

As for the rest, maybe many of these big business liberals will take a long, hard look at what “bailouts” actually cost. And maybe the old idiom “There’s no such thing as a free lunch” will finally mean something to them.

Some of these corporations thought only the American taxpayers would get a bill. Wrong.

One good thing to come out of this is that companies may decide whatever they get from bending over for Obama simply will not be worth the f---king they will take in return.

Hal & the Poison Pill
Please reference that part of the U.S. Constitution that advocated slavery. Slavery was then and is today an abomination; but the original U.S. Constitution didn't address it, so much as it ignored the issue. The same way the U.S. government ignores it today in Darfur.

As far as interpreting the Constitution - the Founders as Presidents were constrained by their Congress in any "interpretation" of consequence. Only after Lincoln abrogated Habeas Corpus, the 1st Amendment and every Constitutional Protection in existence, concerning imprisonment without trial, did interpretation become the vogue. The fact that Lincoln was a traitor to the Constitution is but a notable historical footnote, of course. And as you well know, slavery had little to do with that conflict, other than propaganda and extra bodies for the Northern Army to use as cannon fodder. Lincoln didn't give a tinker d*mn about the slavery issue, other than what political mileage and extra warm bodies for his Army he could get out of it.

You still haven't addressed your lies about us "kooks" posting about the "taking up arms", ect ect. How about that, Hal; do you get a pass for making stuff up?? Just thought I'd ask.

Dwain Cleveland

H2 Engineer
"Date: Apr 3, 2009 - 12:45 PM EST
Hal the Historian???...The King of England and his Forces repeatedly named the Founders of this Nation criminals, lunatics and terrorists. Why do you lie about history that can be fact checked so easily??"

They were members of legislatures, military officers and community leaders. What would you expect the king to say. Look what liberals get called on here when we are just bouncing words. Most were many things fringe was not one of them that was why they were dangerous

"...Should there be any aggression initiated due to our efforts - it will against us, by the Government. None of us, involved in the "Citizens Grand Jury" initiative, have ever made any statements referring to any "taking up of arms". Those words came out of the imagination and off the key-board of "Hal the Historian"."

No actually they come from the combined spews on these sites so if you are peaceful fine

"...Whatever efforts it takes to preserve that Freedom and Liberty is worth the price, Hal."

even trashing the constitution and valid elections?

"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests".
Patrick Henry"

Good quote that is just what the Iowa supremes just did

H2 Engineer
"Date: Apr 3, 2009 - 1:49 PM EST
but the original U.S. Constitution didn't address it, so much as it ignored the issue. The same way the U.S. government ignores it today in Darfur."

The founders knew that the slavery issue had to be resolved and sadly kicked the can on it

"As far as interpreting the Constitution - the Founders as Presidents were constrained by their Congress in any "interpretation" of consequence."

it was an on going battle Then after the founders you had Jackson who basically ran free with the constitution

"...Only after Lincoln abrogated Habeas Corpus, the 1st Amendment and every Constitutional Protection in existence, concerning imprisonment without trial, did interpretation become the vogue. The fact that Lincoln was a traitor to the Constitution is but a notable historical footnote, of course..."

The civil war basically put paid to the 10th amendment

"...And as you well know, slavery had little to do with that conflict, other than propaganda and extra bodies for the Northern Army to use as cannon fodder. Lincoln didn't give a tinker d*mn about the slavery issue, other than what political mileage and extra warm bodies for his Army he could get out of it."

The decadent and debauched South fired the first shot in the civil war. Slavery was the underlying cause of that war. The South knew they could not remain dominant if slavery ended.

Belated April Fools Day
Oliver North writes that President Obama "dictated to the two firms what kinds of products they may and may not manufacture." He must have been writing this two days before it was posted. I'm surprised he didn't complain about Obama kicking them out of NASCAR too.

H2 Engineer, Reply # 58
"Please reference that part of the U.S. Constitution that advocated slavery."
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Article I, Section. 2 [Slaves count as 3/5 persons]
Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons [i.e., slaves].

Article I, Section. 9, clause 1. [No power to ban slavery until 1808]
The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.

Article IV, Section. 2. [Free states cannot protect slaves]
No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, but shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due.

Article V [No Constitutional Amendment to Ban Slavery Until 1808]
...No Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article.

CharltonHeston
You should seek qualified medical care, you have serious psychological issues.

Oliver, what do really think about your readership here on TH? Have you been reading the posts on th eoverthrow of the US? How's that strike you?

Hal Donahue
The only thing that we don't like is you.
You are a twisted bitter fool.


Twas a tale told by an idiot(Hal D)
Full of Sound and Fury
Signifying absolutely nothing................

Hal Donahue
Your civil war comments are pure political rhetoric, not actual history.

A man such as yourself should be able to discerne the difference at your stage in life.

Robert
Who the Hell are you?
I am already seeing several psychological professionals, and doing quite well. In fact they tell me to express my thoughts in any manner that I see fit; and often. Conservative vengeance will be strong and focused. So stay out of the way little man............


Ouck Fbama

Hal
"The decadent and debauched South fired the first shot in the civil war. Slavery was the underlying cause of that war. The South knew they could not remain dominant if slavery ended".

You're so full of crap. Slavery was not even a subject for discussion, until Lincoln was losing the war. and even when the Emancipation Proclamation was enacted - it was not Legislated to cover any of the Northern States at all. The European pressure,as well as internal pressures to ababdon slavery were gathering some influence by the 1850's. By 1855, share cropping had already become the "coming thing" in the South, Hal. Of course, share cropping was d*mn near as bad as slavery. You obviously have done no research at all, concerning the status of black Americans in the North during that period of history.

D*mn Hal - your history bias is showing again. The North was in the position that their industrial manufactories & textile mills were totally dependent on the raw materials from the South. The North/Federal Government had imposed exorbitant Import Taxes on finished goods from anywhere, that was not the North and then forced the South to take whatever price the North was willing to pay for the Souths raw materials. The South found an opportunity to market those raw material to the French and other European nations. The North instigated incidents and "accidents" to incite the South to the point of secession. Great thing about the History, Hal - it doesn't change to suit guys like you. Of course you don't care - you just "interpret" it into something that makes you happy. Read more and interpret less, Hal.\\

Dwain Cleveland


camanintx
Thank you Sir - I stand corrected.

My memory failed me and hath made me contrite.

Dwain Cleveland

anderson659
"Date: Apanderson659r 3, 2009 - 2:24 PM EST
Hal Donahue
Your civil war comments are pure political rhetoric, not actual history..."

Actually they are extremist opinion but data could be put forward to support it. This war was inevitable when the constitution was signed

"...A man such as yourself should be able to discerne the difference at your stage in life...."

HUH??? I do LOL

Quixotic
Actually it's an acronym for Fabbrica Italiana Automobili Torino (Italian Automobile Factory of Turin).

CharltonHeston - another little paper
tiger.

Have you been arrested for wearing undeserved medals? Thought so. I'm sure you were gung-ho for the Iraqi invasion, too. Pathetic little anonymous figure. Brave when no one knows who you are, wetting your pants when you have to go outside.

All this pathetic talk about revolution. Keep whineing eunuch, you have no other voice.

paradox
I find it interesting that a professional military officer has so little faith in government. Why don't we just privatize the Marine Corps?

sjpatejak
"Date: Apr 3, 2009 - 2:52 PM EST
paradox
I find it interesting that a professional military officer has so little faith in government. Why don't we just privatize the Marine Corps?..."

The failed bush regime tried just that with Blackwater

Government in Default
Good article Mr. North. I see from the first few comments that we have the Obamanation useful idiots who have drank the cool aid awake today.
I like you am a veteran and took the oath to serve and protect our Constitution and the United STATES of America from all enemies both foreign and domestic. We now have enemies of our Constitution alive and well in American Government. So how do we enact the 13th amendment to despose of a government that has violated our constitution and is seeking to destroy the Republic with Socialism?

Eltoro MD - Thank You/Robert MN Shameful
for bringing sanity into this discussion having yourself lived in Germany and the U.S. "The Socialist agenda being presented through Obama is so similar to 1933 Germany...250,000 strong civilan army which is way too reminiscent of the brown shirts and Hitler Jugend." And who will he oppose first? The Christians and Jews who do not adhere themselves to Pelosi's "National Values" as she stated yesterday. Truly, how much courage does it take to regurgitate the indoctrination of the masses. Real intelligence, void of hatred (Robert,MN), is standing your ground while the herds pass by. The herds voted in this past election, and those still spewing hatred at the right must be super proud right now of their incompetent vote while we watch Pelosi who was voted the wand and gave Obama the Title, enacts Flushed Away on our nation. To the Christians who aimlessly followed Hollywood idols to the booth to hail Obama messiah, soon you will have made us all like the cast of Lost. I hope you're ready.

President, National Org. of Conservative Women
http://conservativewomenworking.org

James D.
"Date: Apr 3, 2009 - 3:15 PM EST
Government in Default
Good article Mr. North. I see from the first few comments that we have the Obamanation useful idiots who have drank the cool aid awake today.
I like you am a veteran and took the oath to serve and protect our Constitution and the United STATES of America from all enemies both foreign and domestic..."

But Ollie violated that oath. Did you too?

"...We now have enemies of our Constitution alive and well in American Government..."

This is a lie and you are a failed drama queen

Rip Van winkle
Imagine this story: Rip Van Winkle goes to sleep in 1989 while Ronald reagan is Prez.
All is well. America is strong and growing ..the dominant superpower in the world..communism collapses.. all good news.
Now the poor old guy wakes up in America,2009..
Hell has truly frozen over! America is in massive debt, socialism is the new 'in' word in Washington and the lunatics have taken over.
The oversight committee thieves who started this monstrosity are still in charge??
All in less than 20 years!!
I think old 'Rip' would just go back to sleep and hope this wasn't some bizarre nightmare.

HIGHEST PER CAPITA STATE FOR MCCAIN
Just found out today which state had the highest per capita voters for Sen.McCain. I want to move there...it's got to be a good place to be with all those intelligent voters who live there! Anybody want to guess which state it is?

BILL of NY
Bill, I have to tell you how much I enjoyed your post @ 4:38, here regarding the Eastern European countries response to Socialism.
It especially meant a lot to me because in the 1990's I was a business advisor in The Czech Republic assisting newly independently owned businesses make the transition from a state ownership to free enterprise system.

All the people I associated with in The Czech Republic were eager and excited to have the opportunity again to embrace a Democracy and Free Enterprise System. I was there when they voted for their first democratic president, Vaclav Havel, and the turn out of eligible voters was over 90%. I heard many chilling stories of what it was like to live under communism, but the Czech people endured. The return to democracy was an exciting time for all of them and I felt proud to be a part of it.

For that reason and the fact that I truly believe in our form of government, it will be a tragedy to allow our country to become a socialist form of government. Liberals do not understand the consquences if this happens. I feel sorry for them and for us because of what may become of our liberties.

Viva La Tea Parties at the Alamo on April 15th.

Vote Republican, Indepentent or Liberterian in 2010. Just kick out the money lying, money spending, big government Demowits.

Bill
"Date: Apr 3, 2009 - 4:38 PM EST...The following reply is a little off topic, but it illustrates the lack of respect NOBAMA has for the anyone or anything. The Constitution, in NOBAMA's mind, just a piece of paper to be ignored and with which to wipe his a..."

See you criticize Obama who is a constitutional scholar with nothing but wild accusations and no content.

"...OBAMA not only ignores the Constitution,.."

How? Just wild accusations yet again

"... unnecessarily exposed to a dangerous threat two of our staunchest Western European allies. The threat? Russia!.."

Really WOW a little over three months in office and he did this all by himself no input from DoD or State?

"...For your edification, Mr. Idiot, Poland was to be sacrificed in the event of a Russian invasion of the West during the Cold War..."

I was one of the guys charged at times to help them do that if need be

"...Not sure if you're old enough or even know history, but familiarize yourself with the 1968 uprising in Prague and how the Russians quelled the uprising..."

Yup I was off to the southeast Asian Games at the time but do recall that. We had all our troops in Asia and were powerless.

"...It may provide a glimpse on how "Dear Leader" may deal with an uprising in our country..."

Well it seemed to work but you make a major mistake you now have a combat trained guard who will more than take care of any traitors and cowards

"...Socialism is a failure. The problem with you is: "The lights are on, but no one is home." Jackass!"

See the real problem is just as communism always fails so does laissez faire capitalism like reaganism/hooverism just did again

IT IS TEXAS, TEXAS, TEXAS
I have a dinner date and have to go but the answer is Texas....highest per capita votes for Senator McCain. That says a lot about that great state...LOTS of highly intelligent and discerning voters there obviously!

George, Reply # 78
Imagine this story: Rip Van Winkle goes to sleep in 1989 while Ronald reagan is Prez.
All is well. America is strong and growing ..the dominant superpower in the world..communism collapses.. all good news.
Now the poor old guy wakes up in America,2009..
Hell has truly frozen over! America is in massive debt, socialism is the new 'in' word in Washington and the lunatics have taken over.
The oversight committee thieves who started this monstrosity are still in charge??
All in less than 20 years!!
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And just think, Republicans were in control for most of those 20 years.

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4394/chartpartiesab2.png

HAL DONAHUE
500 Posters here on Town Hall have already told you what an idiot you are in some of the things you post. Let's make it 501 that think that.
Why do you want to continue to make a fool of yourself? I 'd have some shame if I were you.
Or is it that Liberals never feel any shame or anythings else for that matter?

Bill
"The backstabbing of Poland and the Czech Republic provide an example of everything wrong with NOBAMA. Your "Dear Leader" unnecessarily exposed to a dangerous threat two of our staunchest Western European allies. The threat? Russia!"

The missiles are supposedly being installed to counter Iran. They are incapable of stopping the Russian nuclear force, as the Bush administration said repeatedly. Russia gets into a snit because it wants to prove that it's still a great power to be taken seriously. In reality it's a decaying ex-super power incapable of taking on anything much larger than Georgia.

Et Tu, B.O.?
If any regulation of pay should be going on it's definitely the worthless political class!!!
All elected positions in government should be limited to two terms and for senators, each term no more than four years. Then there must be pay-for-performance and they must not be allowed to evaluate themselves nor vote their own automatic pay raises and benefits. Pay and benefits must not extend beyond their term(s). A small retirement package may be appropriate if serial wrongdoing was not perpetrated while in office; this should save taxpayers’ beaucoup dollars. Their health benefits and all other benefits should not be substantially different than the working population in general. We must insist/demand transparency in proposed legislation and ample time to review their mess by independent citizen groups and citizens at large. The impeachment process should be streamlined to get the clowns out before they bring the country down. During campaigns, the same, frugal, and finite amounts are made available to each candidate and they get the same media exposure opportunities/time to get their message across. How well they do this with the moneys and media coverage they receive is a test of their managing abilities and the soundness of their “promises”. No other contributions from any other sources than the publically scrutinized and limited amounts would be allowed. The above would go a long way to clean up the sewer that is currently “politics”, especially from special interest factions. Voters would have to remain vigilant to make sure these scumbags don’t lie, cheat, and steal. The above also would attract people who are more trustworthy and true willing servants of the people.
Finally, impeach the pretender (not eligible to be prez due to place of birth and serial lying) and send him back to Kenya to herd some cows. At least there we can be sure of minimum damage to the Nation.

Donahue
The worst thing you can do to him, is ignore him. I don't even read anything under his name.

MATRIARCH - Ca

Agreed. Donahue is on my bleep list from now on.


Need more information
Can anyone explain the "Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act"? Why are they paying volunteers and what are these volunteers "hired" to do?
BKC

Karen
We'd love to have you here..we are a vibrant productive state that promotes businesses and NO STATE TAX!..Most of us are fiscal conservatives and yes I voted for McCain..ONLY because of Sarah

Reba
Why does the Bard of Scranton do it? A lot of us think it's because he's being PAID to do it.

H2 engineer
You need not apologize as none of the articles advocated slavery, they merely limited, for a time, the actions that could be taken against slavery. Every journey begins with a first step and our Constitution and founding documents were definitely that.

The first steps back to conservative governance have already been taken. Even assuming they are eventually successful, I'm sure someone 150 years from now will be pointing out how small and impure they were.

camanintx
and Republicans were in control for most of those 20 years.

I'm sure what you meant was that Republicans actually had some influence for those 20 years. Or is it just that Democrats can brook no opposition. That would explain the attitude toward talk radio and Fox News.

I would say that conservative Republicans didn't have half enough control, but then, maybe we need to hit bottom before we begin to climb back.

standshisground
It is very likely that Hal is being paid to harasss conservative sites. However, I have known people who get their kicks out of riling other people. Whether or not they believe what they say is not important.

I had a brother like that once. He would say things, even if they were not true, to get a reaction. May his soul rest in peace, along side Hal someday.


Two questions for Hal Donahue
Hal

In your post at 12:10 you said near the end:

"20 Years military, three years city cop here"

Did I interpret that correctly that you served 20 years in the Armed Forces of the United States?

The second question requires more than a mere yes or no answer. What, from your perspective, has made America the greatest nation to have ever been conceived on the planet?

Thanks in advance,

Mike Johnston
SFC USA (RET)

Better to Have Done Nothing
What if Daniel Hannan is right, and it would have been much better to do NOTHING?!!!

BILL - NY @ 9:25PM
First of all, welcome to the Great State of Texas! The turn out should be huge because it was announced yesterday that Glenn Beck will be airing his April 15th show in San Antonio. He chose San Antonio because the Alamo represents people who stand for freedom. So it should be a great turnout in front of the Alamo.

Newsmax.com is offering free bumper stickers, placards and yard signs for the April 15th Tea Parties. One says "Taxed Enough Already" You just pay the shipping costs. They call it the Patriot Depot where you can get Tea Party items.
See you there!





Correction
Newsmax.com is offering only free bumper stickers for the Tea Parties, NOT yard signs and picket signs.


Steps short of pitchforks
We should make April 15th so big, the MSM cannot ignore it! We must encourage our State Legislators to draft declarations and resolutions, laws and policies that refute and diminish the influence of the Federal government upon the sovereignty of our respective states. We must use the Constitution to refute the over-reaching of these usurpers of liberty! We must fight them quickly and cleanly in the courts, and call for the impeachment of judges that base decisions on bias instead of the Constitution.

Our pitchforks should be better lawyers and economists, facts and precedents. Our torches need to be our diligence, perseverance, and fervor! The use of the newest media and the older, (radio ), as well as the inroads into the liberal bastions of film and television being made, are our path to the castle of the monster.

We need to stand firm, guarding what rights we still hold by promoting increased responsible gun ownership and concealed carry laws. Diving before the bulldozers that want to choke us with cap & trade and federalization of health care.

Keep them at arms length, and unsure of our true strength, giving them enough rope to hang themselves, while making them believe they are using it to reel us in! Tea parties, amen! Angry mobs, well, . . that's their thing, isn't it?!

Et Tu Harold? I see that
you are back on the "Ollie violated his oath" kick.
You violated your oath and the UCMJ when you openly advocated Gays serving in the military.
Here is that portion of the UCMJ that you violated:

Subchapter X Punitive Articles

Section 925. ART. 125. SODOMY

(a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration, however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense.

(b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

Have you told Ollie to his face that he violated his oath?
Or are you afraid of another challenge like the one you received from the Southern Pilot?
BTW! Your children attending the same school that Ollie's children won't cut it.

UAW and DEMS are killing the Goose
Michigan is the canary in the coal mine.

Detroit is the poster child of Obamanomics!

Jennifer Granholm raises taxes for needed "investments" and the state economy tanks.

Now Obama is trying the approach on America.

As distasteful as corporate success is to Obama and the Dems, it not government is the engine that drives America.

sjpatejak
I'd always heard that FIAT was the accronym for Fix It Again Tony.

Who Can Stop The King?
Are there any public servants who are paid with our tax dollars who have stood up and fought back for WE THE PEOPLE - free enterprise - democracy, freedom of speech vs. the Hate Crimes Bill that discriminates against everyone except gays and Muslims; the right to bear arms; the right to own property; or by loaning free enterprise money the right to take over their businesses and hire and fire the CEOs and employees and tell the employees how much they can ear in bonuses and salaries which is a dictatorship - not a democracy - it's a tyranny when government tramples on the rights of the American people - prints money without any accountability and sneaks in 9,000 ear marks and throws it at those who donated to hs campaign and bows to foreign leaders who donated to his campaign - and passes undisclosed bills to WE THE PEOPLE that he's ordering thousands of Palestinian refugees the right to move into American during hard economic times at the expense of the American taxpayers and send $20.3 million American taxpayer dollars in migration assistance to the Palestinian refugees while Americans are losing their homes and jobs and he throws crumbs to them - $15 per paycheck that's tax deductible - yet he prints trillions that America will have to pay back for generations - and spends millions jetting about at our expense - sharing the wealth with foreign bankers at our expense - Good grief - when will America wake up and recall - impeach - and vote out those trampling on our U.S. COnstitution, Bill of Rights, and freedoms and mainly on the American people - CRUNCH! CRUNCH! CRUNCH! Obviously, Americans come last in Washington D.C.

Karen, I thought it might be we.
There are some small parts of Texas where the voters look to New England for leadership and set their moral compasses to point toward California (Travis County, for example, is nice only to visit) but the rest of us are as upstanding as the statistic that you discovered would indicate.

The funny thing is that this year saw the high-water mark for Liberals here. We lost some decent judges here in Harris County by the narrowest of margins, but that won't last. And after the next census, we'll likely be gaining three Congressmen; at least two of those will be Republicans.


+++

To Who Is John Galt?
Yes, it is time.

But who is willing to take the step forward to begin?

Save America
Patriots?, you have no choice if you want to save this nation.

We can't wait 4 more years. We must recall Illegal Alien Obama, and do it now. Do we have enough patriotic Military Veterans that want to save our nation to Restore not CHANGE America, if not, then you have the government you deserve. Do we surrender our freedoms, or fight?

It's time to fight back, bring back our jobs, protect our borders, deport Illegal Aliens, stop imports, Made in the USA must return to the products in our stores..
Return all that crap to China.

You had a chance to elect Don Cordell as your Presidential Independent Candidate last November, you goofed. Now it's time for all good men to rise up and join forces, protect the Constitution and Bill of Rights for our future.

A Trillion dollars is One Million Million dollar bills, that's a stack of Million dollar bills 416' high. Obama says we will spend $1.1 Trillion now to feed the poor children of the world, your Trillions/ each year.

Lets stop this crap, and show this government that we have the guts to defend our way of life.
Stop this treason, Save America, NOW.

Mike
Date: Apr 3, 2009 - 8:49 PM EST
Two questions for Hal Donahue
Hal

In your post at 12:10 you said near the end:

"20 Years military, three years city cop here"

Did I interpret that correctly that you served 20 years in the Armed Forces of the United States?"

Yes

"...The second question requires more than a mere yes or no answer. What, from your perspective, has made America the greatest nation to have ever been conceived on the planet?"

This is easy. Since the very beginning it is community and the willingness to pursue our goals while helping our neighbor pursue theirs that makes all of us better off. No where else on earth is their a diversity of people and talent as found here. We are not a melting pot per say but more a stew and all the different views and opinions and ideas serve to make us almost invincible

Thanks in advance,

"Mike Johnston
SFC USA (RET)"

Thank you for your service

Julie - and my response was shameful?
The following was posted by CharltonHeston:

"Ouck Fbama
Duck Femocrats

Hal Bend over and grab your ankles Barney's a comin for you........Your face looks like Nancy Pelosi's Anus"

Do you, Julie, have any manners or sense of propriety? Is this language or imagery that you condone?

I suggested that the author seek psychological counseling. Presumably you don't agree.

Robert
"Date: Apr 4, 2009 - 8:13 AM EST
Julie - and my response was shameful? ..."

It truly amazes me how quickly this bunch has gone from self proclaimed super patriots to craven traitors. I guess it shows the kind of timid and frightened people who make up what is left of the conservative movement

Memo for Mike
Please don't encourage Hal in his delusions. You see, from reading the leftist posts here, I've concluded that every single TH leftist [ESPECIALLY Hal] was a Rear Admiral in the Army, where they learned to fly B-52s off of the carrier USS Arizona while stationed at Camp Uzbekistan.

During their leaves, they earned Ph.Ds. in phrenology from Harvard, with post-graduate studies in astrology at MIT, which makes them expert in every field of science known to man or womyn.

After resigning their commissions in protest over the war-mongering of Dick Cheney, they became Inspector-Generals in the NYPD where they were the first persons in and the last out of both Twin Towers. Then they earned law degrees at Wassamatta U. and argued cases before the Supreme Court, the World Court, and the Grass Court of Wimbledon.

For hobbies, they hold black belts in Ti Kwan Leep and Fung Ku, and tinker with the cold fusion reactors that power their green-cars.
We are truly blessed to have such savants among us.

My only question is, how DO they find the time to post here? I haven't been around in days -- but then, I have a real job.

Bill
"Date: Apr 4, 2009 - 8:37 AM EST
Albert in CA
You nailed the argument against obamanomics when you used Michigan, ..."

and you explain SC how?

".. Why the demo idiots can't see the harm their policies create can only be described as hubris..."

We cannot understand why you types keep pushing your clearly failed reaganism/hooverism Look around you and see how that worked

Sunshine Patriots=conservatives?
Since we lost the elections for the White House and much of Congress, now we need to overthrow the government.

Is this the fallback position?



Robin "Socialist" hood...
As this great article points out, and no one can deny because of the facts before us, Obama is a Robinhood dressed in a red suit attempting to dress America in that identical suit; a suit, by the way, that is worn throughout Europe and other places that may fit them well, but will shrink on Americans. It will shrink our culture, our way of living, our great advancement in world leadership, our inventions. And it will never dress us evenly or even close for we are of too many different sizes, shapes and desires. We all dream differently...some big, some small, some not at all! It will surely bring us back to the days where government controls all...as kings, queens and dictators did years and years ago: history will repeat itself!! If we go there, as Obama and the Democrats are directing, how long will it take the Enlightenment ideas, Jeffersonian thought and Adams' revolutionary movement to get us back again? I shutter to think!! Perhaps, just perhaps, the "tea parties" planned for the 15th will wake enough people to stir up the suit-maker!!

Tea Party prediction
This dog will not hunt.

Dusty, Reply # 94
I'm sure what you meant was that Republicans actually had some influence for those 20 years. Or is it just that Democrats can brook no opposition. That would explain the attitude toward talk radio and Fox News.

I would say that conservative Republicans didn't have half enough control, but then, maybe we need to hit bottom before we begin to climb back.
---------------------------------------------
Look at it any way you like and Republicans have controlled this country most of the last 20 years.

We had two Bush presidents lasting 12 years and only eight years of Clinton.

Republicans took control of Congress in 1994 and only lost it in 2006. That's 12 years again.

Even if you look at when one party controlled both branches, the R's have six years to the D's two.

Like it or not, Republicans own the mess this country is in.

Doc Liberty
"Date: Apr 4, 2009 - 8:43 EST
Memo for Mike
Please don't encourage Hal in his delusions..."

Hey I use my real name and I am who I say I am http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hal-donahue

"...makes them expert in every field of science known to man or womyn..."

I have lived a fairly long and interesting life LOL

"...My only question is, how DO they find the time to post here? I haven't been around in days -- but then, I have a real job."

Me too and guess what a lot is writing at a computer so you are just my public service or a better word might be mission work

Rick
"Date: Apr 4, 2009 - 9:00 AM EST...If we go there, as Obama and the Democrats are directing, how long will it take the Enlightenment ideas, Jeffersonian thought ..."

The enlightenment was a liberal movement Did you go to college at Liberty?

".. Perhaps, just perhaps, the "tea parties" planned for the 15th will wake enough people to stir up the suit-maker!!"

A wager, you conservatives are too lazy and too selfish to pull even one location with over 100,000 people. It takes working together something you cannot seem to do

Robert in MN
"Sunshine Patriots=conservatives?
Since we lost the elections for the White House and much of Congress, now we need to overthrow the government."

I'm in a hurry to get to my next appointment, so I'll be brief in the following points.

The elections were manipulated to produce this result. The Republican candidate was raised to the nomination by Democrats. The people spoke? No. In a Republican process, "the people" does not include Democrats.

During the previous eight years, it has been repeatedly asserted that the highest form of patriotism is dissent. This government has convinced me that this is so.

A patriot loves, supports, and defends his country. Therefore, a patriot must despise this government: though only the fruition of the leftward fits and starts that the skillfully placed opinion makers have induced over the last seven decades, this culmination is a perversion of the Founding Fathers' vision of a Republic that would protect our Liberty.

Do the forces of tyranny enjoy wide popular support? Will they not meet us in the streets to further their oppressive ends? Of course they will. That's why this is almost certain to end in blood.

The Founding Fathers risked their property and their persons to achieve and preserve the freedom that is enshrined in our founding documents. We must now do likewise.

Are we less than they? Well, Robert in Minnesota, apparently you are. "Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” -- Sam Adams.


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Charles Martel Than you agree with?
"Sunshine Patriots=conservatives?
Since we lost the elections for the White House and much of Congress, now we need to overthrow the government."

I guess I can remove the question mark after the word conservative from above.


No, Robert
Unsurprisingly, you have willfully chosen to misunderstand my post. You have it precisely backwards.

It is the duty of patriots to thwart this government, and if necessary to overthrow it. The sun, metaphorically speaking, is most definitely not shining.

Please pay attention and try to keep up.


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Charles Martel - the timid, the weak
"Date: Apr 4, 2009 - 11:30 AM EST
Robert in MN
"Sunshine Patriots=conservatives?
Since we lost the elections for the White House and much of Congress, now we need to overthrow the government."

I'm in a hurry to get to my next appointment, so I'll be brief in the following points.

The elections were manipulated to produce this result. The Republican candidate was raised to the nomination by Democrats. The people spoke? No. In a Republican process, "the people" does not include Democrats..."

Oh stop playing victim. You are to darn weak to accept that you lost and cannot accept responsibility

"...A patriot loves, supports, and defends his country. Therefore, a patriot must despise this government... this culmination is a perversion of the Founding Fathers' vision of a Republic that would protect our Liberty..."

hey fruit cake, you are not and never have been a patriot as your words clearly demonstrate. The founders would support Obama not some rightwing extremists

"...Will they not meet us in the streets to further their oppressive ends? Of course they will. That's why this is almost certain to end in blood..."

You really are a fruit cake. Be very careful what you wish for

"...We must now do likewise."

You don't have the courage to be anything but two bit terrorists and assassins ala' McVeigh and Rudolph You talk like a coward

Charles Martel - the timid, the weak
"Date: Apr 4, 2009 - 12:52 PM EST...It is the duty of patriots to thwart this government, and if necessary to overthrow it. .."

Only if you are anti American and anti constitution fruitcake

"..Please pay attention and try to keep up..."

you are a cowardly traitor as defined in your own words

At What Point Mr. North?
Is this government in violation of it's oath to defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic?

At what point can we say that the Obama administration is no longer upholding it's sworn duties, and is in fact operating as a domestic enemy?

At what point must we rise up and say enough is enough?

And at what point will it be too late to stop this tragedy from unfolding?

Mr. Martel - Regarding patriotism
It is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

"Boswell tells us that Samuel Johnson made this famous pronouncement that patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel on the evening of April 7, 1775. He doesn't provide any context for how the remark arose, so we don't really know for sure what was on Johnson's mind at the time.

However, Boswell assures us that Johnson was not indicting patriotism in general, only false patriotism.

It should be Treasonous
I cringed when the Dixie Chicks badmouthed our country overseas but SOMEONE who is suppose to be the PRESIDENT of the USA? Some people abuse the freedom of Speech..Arrogant,derisive??
I find it truly frightening that anyone in our country would back the things that Obama said and did in Europe this week.He has blatantly coddled the Europeans fascist and said "America is to blame for the ills of the world" and we will make amends by giving taxpayers money to the IMF..creating monetary tax abuse to our Children and Grandchildren and then the loons in the Democrat party pass a 3+trillion dollar deficit in our country yesterday..burdening all 3 generations coming..He also gave away our Sovernity of our American Business away to the EU to control our salaries and to dictate which American company is viable or should be closed..the is a man standing with a white flag surrendering to the fascist saying "We give up" and will no longer be #1 in the world..we'll allow the world to dictate to us how we run our country..WELL I HAVE NEWS FOR MAOBAMA THE LOSER..fiscal Conservatives will stand up and say NO YOU CAN'T!

soulsamurai
"Date: Apr 4, 2009 - 2:47 PM EST
At What Point Mr. North?
Is this government in violation of it's oath to defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic?"

Ollie violated that oath. Is this the reason that you ask him?

"...At what point can we say that the Obama administration is no longer upholding it's sworn duties, and is in fact operating as a domestic enemy?.."

Only when you can get him impeached.

"...At what point must we rise up and say enough is enough?..."

You are a pathetic loser. The American people are laughing at your pathetic conservative failures and you feel powerless. You anti constitution rabble are such cowardly traitors


Hal
You are a disgrace.Oliver North is a great American that has fought for our country ..not destroy it like your kinds tries to do with it's hate spewing lies

Jeanne
"Date: Apr 4, 2009 - 3:23 PM EST
It should be Treasonous
I cringed when the Dixie Chicks badmouthed our country overseas but SOMEONE who is suppose to be the PRESIDENT of the USA? Some people abuse the freedom of Speech..Arrogant,derisive??..."

Do you really think that the US is blameless in all things? Do you really believe this world Bush Depression does not merit an apology for our failed reaganism/hooverism?

"...we will make amends by giving taxpayers money to the IMF..creating monetary tax abuse to our Children and Grandchildren..."

It was OK when we were throwing it into the desert and giving our future wealth to the rich? Nope YOU caused this mess

"...the is a man standing with a white flag surrendering to the fascist saying "We give up" and will no longer be #1 in the world..."

We stopped being a super power when we squandered our military in Iraq The military sector was the last place we were clearly a super power. No we are a world power all as a result of conservatism

"...WELL I HAVE NEWS FOR MAOBAMA THE LOSER..fiscal Conservatives will stand up and say NO YOU CAN'T!.."

You aren't a fiscal conservative or you would have been a Democrat the last 8 years. Now the only way ahead is a new new deal

Jeanne
"Date: Apr 4, 2009 - 3:53 PM EST
Hal
You are a disgrace.Oliver North is a great American that has fought for our country ..not destroy it like your kinds tries to do with it's hate spewing lies"

Here are the facts 1. Ollie violated his oath of office when he lied to Congress to protect himself. 2. Ollie was convicted of felonies for this cowardly act. 3. The ACLU helped to have those convictions thrown out on technicalities. These are all facts not lies. I love this nation and constitution too much to let fanatics and cowardly traitors have their way unopposed

Not even a bit of Common Sense exists
for you!
"You aren't a fiscal conservative or you would have been a Democrat the last 8 years. Now the only way ahead is a new new deal"
LOL..are you SERIOUS..your Messiah and his cohorts in Congress just tripled the mere 600 billion deficit that was from the Bush year and the majority of Congress the past two years were Dems..so they caused this problem and Bush is guilty for not veto-ing every stupid thing they did!!..Your Messiah Lied to the American people..so did all the Dems that won seats this year..I really feel sorry for you..your Pelosi,Barney Frank,Dodd mentality must make you the life of the party

Title
The Title, in proper French, should have been: "Et toi, Barack?"

Failed Policies Don't Work
We're just now picking up the pieces from the wreckage of the Bush Administration and the economy is already starting to turn. And anyway, Oliver North to be taken seriously on economic policy? What's next, Robert Rubin to lead a Recon team behind enemy lines?

Follow Up for Hal
Wow. Thanks you for your service.

Your answer to my second question could essentially be boiled down to "Rugged individualism and local community" With that in mind where does your liberal bend and love of central government come from? I am not trying to make light of the fact that you are a liberal. However, in reading your posts here I get the impression that you are extremely to the left. In general, that does not jive with your answer to my second question.

Additionally, and this is not to question your veracity, but some one as liberal as you seem to be would be an exception to the military careerist. Liberals are welcome and serve honorably but in my experience it is rare to find some one as left leaning as you seem to be in the mid to upper echelons of either the enlisted or officer ranks. I am curious as to what you did, when and where you served and how you came to be a liberal.

Mike Johnston
SFC USA(RET)

Mike
"...Your answer to my second question could essentially be boiled down to "Rugged individualism and local community" With that in mind where does your liberal bend and love of central government come from? I am not trying to make light of the fact that you are a liberal. However, in reading your posts here I get the impression that you are extremely to the left."

Well I have not moved. I am 62 and that means I have seen a lot. I have had friends beaten up down in the segregated south for using the "whites only" bathroom (the one kid was greek American returning from Florida), I have seen with my own eyes schools being integrated at the point of bayonets. I have seen white flight from the Northern cities because of race and Northern business move to the south because the labor was third world cheap and close. It took a strong central government to end it all with push back from the states for balance. When I was a city cop I saw women with bloody faces told to go back home and do what he says next time. I saw the unions crushed and the family and morals deteriorate because the men could not earn a decent wage and had no money to support a family or have pride. I knew Reagan and briefed him. While I disagreed with many of his policies he was a good leader but I know he would be aghast to see what his movement turned into. He would be called a RINO now. That is my short passionate answer. A strong central government is better situated to prevent abuse while we can use state and elected officials to control the central government - this is exactly what happened this November. The left calls me a conservative. I guess that makes me a moderate but I think I am a liberal.



Mike
"Date: Apr 4, 2009 - 7:51 PM EST
Follow Up for Hal..Additionally, and this is not to question your veracity, but some one as liberal as you seem to be would be an exception to the military careerist... I am curious as to what you did, when and where you served and how you came to be a liberal."

We were a strong segment in my day. I retired in 1990. I was a WSO (weapons systems officer) in fighters primarily F-4 Phantoms, served a tour on the staff of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and a tour flying with the British RAF. Three squadrons I mention are the 313TFS, 494TFS and the 335TFS. I joined as an E-1 in 1966 and retired O-5 in 1990 with 20 years. I had a break of service to work my way through college as a cop.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hal-donahue


Notes to Hal Donahue
It's getting late, and I haven't read all of your BS, but I will say that Reagan would not be called a RINO. I think you have a big chip on your shoulder and your comment about the necessity for a strong central government is foolish and has been refuted throughout history.

I am, however, looking forward to trading thoughts with you. Remember what Hamlet said; "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Later

Guy, on the title
That would be true if it were in French, and only if it were in the objective case.

But the original is from Latin, so thanks for playing.


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Running scared
Every week I think the worst has happened, things couldn't get worse, but they have. I can't believe the Obamas acting so 'cool' in Europe. Talk about 'ugly Americans!' Talk about stupid, clueless, Americans. How would Michele Obama like to have some hick throw her arm around her? She is, after all, the First Lady and should be shown some respect. I don't think that Americans should curtsy to the Queen, but they shouold respect that she is the Queen of England.

Actually, enough about that. Our economy is tanking -- and everyday the new administration does something else completely bonkers and everyone thinks it is OK -- the MSM is so enamored with their president that he can do no wrong.

We hae a SUV, because we had two grandchildren living with us and we were babysitting another on a daily basis. No child under 12 can sit in the front seat -- so where do you seat the kids? Now, we only occasionally have three to five grandkids in the car (still only two available seats). Who would buy our SUV? As far as our finances (we lost half of our retirement in the stock market crash) are concerned, we are better off keeping the SUV. However, now that the government has ordered GM and Chrysler to make only little cars, in a few years our SUV will increase in value because there are people who need more than a small sedan.

Gee Ollie...
The last time we saw you was when we turned on the lights and found your hand in the cookie jar – selling weapons to our hated enemy Iran so you could use the money to fund Nicaraguan death squads.

And you are a beacon of truth now… how?

Actually glad you’re here. A small otherwise discard-able slice of rotted cheese, placed enticingly in the national rat trap, so we can keep an eye on all your kind who come to sniff…

CLAP! (Looks like we got us another one.)

Keep up the good work Mr. North. Our grateful nation appreciates.

"Volunteers"??
If they are being paid and forced to work as directed by the government, they are not charity and not volunteers. As I understand this, students in high school and college will not be given a diploma, regardless of their grades, unless they put in some time at tasks selected by the government.

Further, I can see real volunteerism declining as these people will say, "I put in my time. Never again!"

Colonel North,
Sir, the problem with this scenario is that we "The United States of America" have been the guarantors of freedom around the world. Departing from that premise? who will come to our rescue? Mr. Obama is spitting in people's eyes and proselitizing his appeasement theories. The world is much too dangerous with such a naive, uninformed individual at the helm.
Sigh,

Slavery, not volunteerism
Unpaid willing labor = volunteerism.
Unpaid unwilling labor = slavery.
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