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Friday, January 04, 2008
Oliver North :: Townhall.com Columnist
Crude Awakening
by Oliver North
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WASHINGTON -- The frozen water pipe this morning was a rude awakening. I managed to thaw the pipe without bursting it, thus saving the cost of a plumber. However, a few hours later, I opened our bill for home heating oil. At $2.70 per gallon, it was a blunt reminder that, with petroleum at $100 a barrel, the future cost of keeping fuel in our furnace -- and gasoline in our cars -- will make the plumber's price pale in comparison.

According to the "experts," those of us who drive to work will be paying $4 per gallon for motor fuel soon, and we all will be paying more for electricity, consumer products, air travel and to heat our homes. Happy New Year.

Depending on which "experts" you believe, these ever-higher prices for energy are because:

A. Violence in Nigeria, Africa's No. 1 oil-producing nation, threatens exploration and deliveries.

B. Mexican oil depots and on-load ports are threatened by bad weather.

C. The government in Tehran has threatened to cut off oil production if sanctions are imposed over Iran's nuclear weapons program.

D. Turkey's attacks on Kurdish militants threaten deliveries of Iraqi oil.

E. The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries says demand for crude oil threatens to outstrip OPEC production by 2024.

Note that "threat" appears in each of the explanations for this week's price spike. Note, as well, that all these "threats" -- and the century mark for the price we pay for crude oil -- come just two weeks after President Bush signed into law the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007. In its Dec. 19 news release, the White House said the new law will "help reduce U.S. dependence on oil." The new law sets higher fuel economy standards for automobiles, mandates the production of 36 billion gallons of biofuel by 2022 and requires higher energy efficiency in everything from household appliances to light bulbs.

This new law doesn't mean we will be paying less for fuel to propel motor vehicles, heat our homes or to light our streets and buildings. No one in his right mind argues that synthetic or renewable biofuels will be less expensive than those that are petroleum-based. While it may make farmers in the Midwest happy to know that soon we will burn more corn in our cars than we eat, it doesn't do anything to reduce the global demand for oil -- or the flow of petrodollars to finance the jihad being waged against the West.

This week, when crude oil topped the $100-per-barrel mark, White House press secretary Dana Perino was asked whether President Bush planned to release oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to drive down the price of home heating fuel -- as Bill Clinton did in September 2000, when he released 30 million barrels in an effort to prop up Al Gore's faltering presidential bid. She responded, "This president would not use the SPR to manipulate (prices), unless there was a true emergency."

Unfortunately, that's the wrong question and the wrong answer. The Strategic Petroleum Reserve was created in the aftermath of the 1973 Mideast war and the ensuing Arab oil embargo. Worldwide, oil prices had risen from $3 per barrel to more than $11 per barrel, triggering a global recession. The following year, the SPR was created, not as a way to manipulate prices but as a means of ensuring the U.S. had sufficient oil available to avoid economic collapse.

Today's record oil prices simply reflect that demand -- much of it from China and India -- is outstripping supply. This problem isn't going to be solved by the new energy law. It will not go away, no matter how many new light bulbs we screw in -- or how much of our food we turn into "renewable" motor fuel.

The solution to this problem isn't just "energy independence" for Americans; it's "independence from oil" for the whole of the planet. This week's new high in the cost of petroleum should have triggered a "crude awakening" among our political leaders, instead of just more finger-pointing rhetoric. Those who wish to lead this nation in the future need to put more than hot air into solutions such as clean, safe nuclear energy for electricity and hydrogen fuel-cell technology for propelling people and products around the planet.

Regrettably, none of those running for president this year has been willing to seriously address the problem of how we get there from here. Perhaps now that the candidates have moved beyond Iowa -- and the Corn Belt -- one of them will announce a real energy plan.

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Energy Independence
Since all energy currently in use to drive our planetary economy comes from the sun (fossil fuels are sunlight from millions of years ago, while biofuels are sunlight from last year, and nuclear fuels are sunlight from billions of years ago), the logical thing to do is gather sunlight in space, beam it to earth, convert it to electricity, and use that to fuel our economy. The National Space Society (www.nss.org) and others are working toward the development of space-based solar power.

In the shorter term, there's about twelve times as much oil buried in the oil shales of Colorado, Utah, and Wyoming that in all of the middle east. There's a new mega-field of oil coming on line in Utah. We need to remove some of the regulatory barriers on development and refining of our own petroleum resources here ASAP.

Is it going to happen? Probably not, because there are just too many non-normies running things in this country (see http://www.non-normie.com for an explanation).

Am I sounding pessimistic? Yeah. Can anyone blame me? No.

You all can help me feel less pessimistic by not wasting time moaning, groaning, b*tching & complaining, and focusing all that energy of anger on doing something positive for yourselves, your families, and your nation and world. Check out the links above. Check out my blog.

And, of course, unless you want to freeze in the dark while the AlGoricle types lord it over you, get organized to do some serious fighting back.

One candidate has energy vision
From his March 8 2007 press release. This guy has a true America can fix this attitude and we have to back this kind of thinking. Otherwise, the auctioneer calls I have $100 a barrel, now $200 and who will make it three!

Governor Romney Believes That Coal Is An Important Part Of America's Energy Mix But That We Must Become Cleaner And More Efficient In How We Power Our Country. To find these cleaner and more efficient sources of energy, Governor Romney will invest in research and innovation.

Governor Romney Will Foster Innovation And New Technologies Through Funding For Research. Governor Romney's administration will review how government invests our research dollars. The United States must invest more research dollars in power generation, fuel technology and materials science. It is in new technologies that we will find solutions to our environmental and energy needs.

- For Example, New Clean Coal Technologies Are Emerging, And Some Are Already Here. Fluidized-Bed Combustion and Integrated Gasification Combined Cycle are two exciting and promising technologies. American Electric Power has announced plans for IGCC projects in West Virginia. Next, we can expect hybrid concepts such as combining combustion and gasification for even cleaner and more efficient power generation.

Energy Independence
From Gov Mike Huckabee's website:

"The first thing I will do as President is send Congress my comprehensive plan for energy independence. We will achieve energy independence by the end of my second term.

Achieving energy independence is vital to achieving success both in the war on terror and in globalization. Energy independence will help guarantee both our safety and our prosperity.

We have to explore, we have to conserve, and we have to pursue all avenues of alternative energy: nuclear, wind, solar, hydrogen, clean coal, biodiesel, and biomass.

http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Issues.View&Issue_i d=21

Gov Huckabee has already unveiled his specific 9 point plan to Secure America and a proposal for a Veterans Bill of Rights to address issues that aren't being adequately addressed.



soulsamari: What's Huckabee going to do
Wave his magic wand? Energy independence in two terms? He didn't say he would have a detailed plan in two terms; he said the country would have achieved energy independence by the end of his second term!

That is facile at best because he would have to get legislation through Congress, defend against the inevitable lawsuits, cause new inventions and fight the good fight with our back-to-caves Democrats.

That statement was a purely political "promise" that is highly unlikely to be achieved. I agree that energy independence is where we need to go, but getting there in eight years?

This is the type of rhetoric that promotes the use of the term "Huckster".

You know
That what Phoenix lady says is true. But North gets it right as well. It's a complete crock to make a new law about energy consumption using light bulbs, ethanol,etc... We need to consider nuclear energy, and quit pussyfooting. Time's awasting and I'd really like not to have to stash incandescent bulbs for more gov't intrusion. Know what I mean, Vern?

The truth
Is that this nation has never been serious about achieving "energy independence". In fact, that has never been more than a code-phrase for the following philosophy;

"Capitalism is inherently evil. Our society is capitalistic, therefore it is inherently evil. Therefore, to cleanse our souls, we must destroy our society. The only way to do so (other than the greater evil of war) is to starve it of energy. And the best way to do that is to prevent ANY use, or development, of ANY energy sources. We can, however, disguise our true intent- and fool the great unwashed- by demanding that only 'clean' energy be used. Such things as solar energy, which is wholly inadequate to the purpose, but gives us 'cover' and makes us look more saintly."

The above is not a "quote" from anyone, it's essentially a condensation of the over-arching philosophy of the "politically correct" environmental crowd.

And it also points up exactly why even highly sensible ideas like those expressed by Phoenix Lady will never "fly".

Because they might actually work. And that just will never be permitted.

Short of a "regime' change" in this country. And I'm not talking about the President.


clear ether

eon


OIL and Iraq
Government admits oil is the reason for war in Iraq

Watch Video

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/government-admits- oil-is-the-reason-for-war-in-iraq


the colonel is right
to bring up this "challenge", as it certainly effects myself and family. Gov. Romney on his website addresses the issue and actually mentions more off-shore drilling, and ANWAR. Isn't that a big part of it, as well a more refinerys and nuclear energy expansion?

As long as we allow.....
environmentalists to drive our energy policies, this situation is going to get steadily worse. To John Konop's point, your damn right the war in Iraq is about oil. Our whole middle east policy is about oil. Our economy is driven by oil and if we don't have a secured supply...guess what....can you say depression?

Misdirection
When a lib proclaims "I'm not trying to do X" or "I'm trying to do Y" it's a lead pipe cinch that his/her intentions are the exact opposite of the proclamation. Applied to the oil market, libs who claim to champion energy independence are trying in fact to make all of us totally dependent on the government for a meager energy pittance while they fly around in private jets, ride in stretch limos and live in mansions that use enough electricity to light a third world country for three years. As in all things societal, the true objective of libs is control of every aspect of our lives.

That is Not Enough
Huckabee says that his plan will be underway during his first term. That says to me that at least by 2012 he will have gotten his plan to Congress? That is typical political incompetence -- and shows the poor vision of our politicians as to the problem. The problem is here now! The resolution to the problem of building nuke plants, drilling in Alaska, offshore around Florida and on the Atlantic shelf is years away from being done even if the developments got going now.

The whole story
>In the shorter term, there's about twelve times as much oil buried in the oil shales of Colorado, Utah, and Wyoming that in all of the middle east. There's a new mega-field of oil coming on line in Utah. We need to remove some of the regulatory barriers on development and refining of our own petroleum resources here ASAP.<

I see you get your info from ads on TH without taking time to research the whole story.

Right now, there is incredible activity in the Uintah Basin and Green River basins recovering energy and drilling new rigs. Unfortunately, there are very few towns of any population in the region, very little housing, and very few trained workers willing to live in a trailer in BFE. Hence, you've got an influx of illegals suddenly flooding small redneck towns like Vernal, Rangely, and Rock Springs to name a few. The waiting list to build a house in Vernal is a year before they can break ground, if you can find a contractor.

The other major issue is water. Oil shale requires lots and lots of water, a resource that is already stretched to the limit as the Green and Yanpa Rivers, important parts of the Colorado River system, are the only two real options in the region. The Colorado is already raped beyond recognition serving the needs of Las Vegas, Phoenix and Southern California. Beyond that, warmer climates in the Rockies are lowering river levels, meaning there is even less water while more demand.

It's not as simple as just removing some of the regulatory barriers on development and refining of our own petroleum resources here ASAP.


Eco-nuts have locked up Alaska,
the continental shelves, another million acres set aside in the West from any exploration under this "energy" bill, and the idiot mandate to change all lightbulbs by 2012 as an energy policy.

If Clinton had signed the Anwar drilling bill in 1996, we'd have 1-2 million barrels of crude daily from there by now.

Conservatives will have to get the b*alls to fight for realistic energy planning, or when Obama wins the election and the senate gets a super-majority under Reid, you'll be lucky to buy gas for $6 a gallon.

TeeHall
You are right about all you stated but when these problems were broght up in the 90's if we would have taken action then we would be telling those ME countries to stick their oil where the sun dont shine tday. We here in Fla have a Problem with our SEN both R and D. See their BIG Business buddys(CONDO BUILDERS) have the monopoly om the shore lines in our state and always fight against OFF-SHORE DRILLING. Their excuses is that we dont want people seeinf OIL Rigs from the Shore but what they are really stating is that their Buddies building the MILLION DOLLAR CONDOS wont be able to sell those condos if they see oil rigs from their MILLION DOOLR SUITES they only live in during the SUMMER. I would bet that if they did like in Alaska where the People get a cutof the OIL REVENUES then I would say the People of Florida would rebel against the ENVIRONMENTALIST and pass a bill for OIL DRILLING OFF shore

The TRUTH
America deserves to pay exorbitant prices,because the "CAFE" standard has been put on the shelf.Those motors that Detroit has,which produce 75 miles per gallon,are needed NOW!I know that they exist,because I knew the guy who invented them.The "TRUTH"of the matter is, that the government would lose tax revenue.In point of fact,it would lose so much tax revenue,it might be economic SUICIDE.Better fuel producing cars on the market,are not affordable by the broader economy at this time."US" are so tied to our present structure, that we cannot take the necessary steps to progress.Mr.North,I see you are still a government OPERATIVE!How SADDD..Why don't we just tell the American PEOPLE,THE "TRUTH"?

utahnotmormon
I read that it takes 1 gallon of oil and 3 gallons of water to make 1 gallon of ethenal so where do we go from here if they think ethenol is the solution for alternative fuels

Oil alleged to be the reason for war....
is a no brainer. If we wanted foreign oil we could take the oil fields with our military and have done with it. If we were serious we would allow domestic exploration and drilling. We could put several oil cartels out of business. I say screw the rest of the world and start looking out for ourselves as far as energy is concerned. The energy situation could take us down harder and faster than the terrorists.

Energy Prices.
In the UK we would love to be paying only $4.00 per gallon for petrol. Here it is nearer eight (£5) but then nobody I know has a car which averages less than 30 miles per gallon.I think the USA should prepare better because what has been done is nowhere near sufficient.I can see no reason why oil will not reach $200 per barrel, particularly if the Dollar keeps losing value.Demand from China will outstrip usage in the USA and they have such a huge cash reserve that they can afford to pay. I think insulation is the key to lowering heating and air conditioning costs because you only spend the money once and it works to keep you warm in the winter and cool in the summer and now the expenditure is justified, not just in houses but in every public building.Tighten your belts chaps, hard times are coming.

OR
We could drill & reap the benefits of the massive oil fields we have right here in America..but that would upset the environmentalists. How desperate will it have to be before we carefully use the resources God has given us??

economics 101
Oil is priced in US dollars not Euros. As our givaway entitlement programs plus wasteful govt spending drive down the dollar to new lows, the value of a product bought with devalued dollars goes up. If we would exibit some fiscal sense we could help turn the tide, otherwise since our economy is run on oil, we will drive the country into depression not recession

Actually, CAFE is increased under
the new energy bill, and you can always import a micro-mini from Europe to drive among the Am. behemoths.

If the fed. would support the dollar, oil would be cheaper. Europe pays $64 in Am. $ per barrel because of the strength of the Euro.

For those who smirk about Iraq really being about oil, all conflicts and wars are about national interests. A dem. Iraq is in our national int. for oil and way beyond oil.

But we guaranteed the Saudis in the 30s our protection, and we get 30% of our oil from the Middle East. Those that don't want to buy from the Arabs, the following gas stations do not sell MidEast oil:
Sunoco
Hess
Sinclair

Energy
Until we come to grips with the reality that the only clean, renewable, adequate energy source is nuclear power, prices will continue to rise as demand outstrips supply. Ethanol, wind, and solar are pipe dreams. Particularly ethanol, which requires more energy to produce than it provides. With adequate nuclear-produced electricity, we might be able to produce enough affordable hydrogen to make fuel cells practical.

Thermodynamic question.
As a simple civil engineer I have only a basic understanding of the principles of thermodynamics, this question is being put out there for someone smarter than I to answer:

Since it takes MORE energy to generate a gallon of ethanol from corn than the gallon of ethanol generates when IT is burned, and since the energy used to generate said gallon of ethanol must come from SOMEWHERE, how will the federally subsidized (read taxpayer $$) use of ethanol either a) reduce this country's dependence on oil (foreign or otherwise), or b) improve this country's economy, or c) NOT jeapordize our food supply (including the food we "donate" to starving nations)?

Does anyone have an answer?

My BMW...
... R100RS motorcycle gets 50 mpg, even when I am, shall we say, non-judicious with the use of the throttle.

Somehow, though, I never manage more than 45 mpg on the Suzuki DR650. But it's still better than my car and BOY is it fun... and an absolute BLAST on dirt roads.

Ethanol isn't the
answer because of all the other problems it creates.

No one wants thousands upon thousands of windmills upon thousands upon thousands of acres of land as far as the eye can see in order to have wind power. (Even Kennedy is battling windmills near his home spoiling his view of the ocean.)

The technology for gas mileage is limited and far away in time.

People are accustomed to big safe cars and long trips with these cars and trucks.

What is left. Get rid of the power of the environmentalists. Build nuclear power plants. Mine oil soaked shale coal and build plants using it with the new clean technology. Drill for oil in Anwar and off the coast especially near Cuba where the Russians will be drilling for the Cubans.

Face up to the fact this is a vast nation run by oil in a mutitude of ways too vast to just curtail or think that putting all the emphasis on cars and trucks will cure the problem of our oil dependcy.

Is the green world's concern greater than sending our dollars to the middle east. Right now they are using these dollars to build cities and their infrastructure. Weapons also???


WayneS
The answer to your question is: It won't

Not the Government's Job
While it is true that more and more of us will have to use cheaper alternatives to petroleum, it is not the government's job to do it for us.

for Phoenix Lady
Phoenix Lady writes: "the logical thing to do is gather sunlight in space, beam it to earth, convert it to electricity, and use that to fuel our economy. The National Space Society (www.nss.org) and others are working toward the development of space-based solar power."

I agree!

Unlike nuclear power, and fossil fuels, Solar Power Satellites generate no pollution, and no nuclear waste. And the power lasts as long as the Sun will shine--billions of years. The proposal has been kicking around since the 1970's.

There is just one little problem: To put those Solar Power Satellites in orbit and maintain them will require a fleet of spaceships vastly larger than anything NASA currently has. IOW, it depends on having the kind of robust space program we used to have in the 1960s.

Mrs. Paddy
Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. But those geniuses in Washington are so SMART I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.

Then again, perhaps they are indeed SOOOOO intelligent that they have found some way around one of the basic laws of thermodynamics: the Law of Conservation of Energy.

They have obviously already found their way around one of the basic Principles upon which this nation was founded: the Principle of Conservation of Taxpayers' Money, so there's no telling what they might accomplish next.

Ollie
"Today's record oil prices simply reflect that demand -- much of it from China and India -- is outstripping supply."

Wrong they also reflect instability in the Middle East and the deliberate devaluation of the dollar. Always before oil producers had to "take it" but no longer. The real danger here is the decline of the dollar as "the" currency. If this happens in a big way look out.

"This problem isn't going to be solved by the new energy law. It will not go away, no matter how many new light bulbs we screw in -- or how much of our food we turn into "renewable" motor fuel.

The solution to this problem isn't just "energy independence" for Americans; it's "independence from oil" for the whole of the planet."

Ollie, none of which can be done immediately. Conservation would work as we free ourselves from carbon fuels. But a better question is where were you when our use grew to 25% of world energy when we are what 5% of the world population? This is a national security issue and has been for years now. we are as exposed as our currencies and borders.

There is no "domestic" oil. Surprise!
It's amazing to me how many conservatives still think that we can attain energy independence for America by drilling for more oil here in America.

I guess they don't understand that ExxonMobil is under no obligation to market that oil to American consumers. ExxonMobil is not some patriotic American company. They're a global company that sells worldwide. Ditto for all the other big multinational oil companies.

A lot of the oil that is drilled in North America right now, ends up being refined into gasoline that is used in Japan.

There is no way to force oil companies to sell American oil to Americans.

The oil that is drilled in Iran, ends up going to Europe. The gasoline that Iranian motorists use in their own cars in Tehran, is imported from elsewhere.

It all goes into one big global oil pool and the commodities markets bet on all of it.

The result of putting more U.S. oil on the world market, will be to lower the WORLD price of oil a little bit. But not much. Because the Middle East still has 11 times more proven oil reserves than the U.S. has. We could drill all the oil we know exists in the U.S. and it would end up lowering world oil prices by about $20 a barrel. Not bad, but what do we do after that oil runs out too?

In the long run, we really do have to get away from oil. There just isn't an infinite amount of it down there in the ground.

for Brujo Blanco
Brujo Blanco writes: "If we were serious we would allow domestic exploration and drilling. We could put several oil cartels out of business."

Not a chance!
Not when the U.S. only has TWO PERCENT of the world's proven oil reserves.

TWO PERCENT, do you understand this???

The U.S. just doesn't have enough oil in total to affect world supply and demand anymore. The Middle East has 11 times more proven oil reserves than the U.S.

Where are these fantasies of people on TH coming from???

Where are people like you getting your misinformation from???

WayneS: Renewables +
stored energy will be needed. A while back I read a paper, which I can't locate at the moment, that mentioned that all renewable energy depends upon the sun. Tides and wind are driven by the sun. Plants grow because of the sun, and so forth.

Without much trouble one can calculate the total amount of energy provided by the sun and it is quite large compared with today's energy use (I've forgotten how large by comparison). Then one makes assumptions as to how much can be harvested and that provides a measure as to the amount of total renewable energy. As I recollect (memory poor due to age), the amount available is 3-4x current consumption. Whatever the exact answer, my conclusion was that renewable energy would not be sufficient.

The stored energies come in the form of carbons and nuclear. Nuclear has far more energy and produces cleaner energy.

So we really have three general alternatives from which to choose as we move ahead. The question is what mechanism is the best one for selecting among the alternatives. Should the government or free markets make the call?






WayneS writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 9:54 AM
Thermodynamic question.
As a simple civil engineer I have only a basic understanding of the principles of thermodynamics, this question is being put out there for someone smarter than I to answer:

SteveL, where do you get your 2%
figure from. I have it that in the shale and sands of the US and Canada that we have more oil than all of the ME. Yes, you can't simply drill for it, but as the price rises and the technology to extract it drops, it becomes a very viable alternative and would "wean" us off the ME forever.

elko.mike writes: 10:50 AM ....
...."So we really have three general alternatives from which to choose as we move ahead. The question is what mechanism is the best one for selecting among the alternatives. Should the government or free markets make the call?"
--------------------------------------------------
The operative words in the above "..as we move ahead" are the essence of the problem as it exists today. We are not moving ahead in a direction of energy "independence" or, even toward conservation. The reason: last sentence of above statement; i.e. - government or free market direction. The government has already made the call and that call is to restrict the market through multiple interventions (green, farmer subsidy, etc., etc.).

The only rational ways to change all current policy is through either the ballot or the bullet. We as a society need to choose because the bullet will eventually overwhelm the ballot if we don't.

TBC :>|

energy law
The December 29th Reading Eagle said that the federal energy law is a good first step;
We need a giant leap to energy independence, and we get one small step.
It requires increasing CAFÉ standards while taxing away automakers’ operating capital. These standards would increase the purchase price $1500 plus sales tax, and the lighter, less-safe vehicles will increase the death rate.
It takes much of the supply of corn to make into alcohol, increasing the cost of, and cutting the supply of food corn.
It calls for new types of electrical generation while taxing away capital needed to develop it, with members of Congress taking a NIMBY attitude.
It calls for using new light bulbs which need hazmat instructions.
When do we restart building nuclear power plants?
When do we start drilling for our oil, off our coasts, and process it in our new state-of-the-art refineries? This oil belongs to the People of the United States, and the oil companies would be hired to drill it, pump it, refine it, and deliver it. They would be paid for the cost of those services plus a small profit. The pump price would not include per-barrel charges as foreign oil does. The oil would be pumped through strong steel pipes directly to the new refineries, no oil spills and no tanker charges.
Thanks, Congress.

No Free Lunch!

Some folks say we should open ANWR for drilling to satisfy domestic demands [ignoring it's strategic value for military purposes]. However, industry sources show that ANWR has “technically recoverable” reserves of only 10.4 billion barrels. The U.S. consumes 85.7 million barrels per day...or slightly over $3 billion barrels per year. Assume that our nations foreign petroleum supplies should be cut-off entirely because of the worlds increasing demands for oil, or political instability in the globes oil producing regions. At current rates of consumption the U.S. would drain ANWR dry within three years Sobering thought!

So what about the highly touted alternative fuels solution [AF]. Ethanol and bio-diesel are now diverting prodigious amounts of corn and soybeans from meat, milk, and egg production…..and the prices of those commodities have soared. So AF proponents now hawk switch grass to produce ethanol. But even switch grass would compete with arable lands for cattle raising and food production…and increase the price of those products.

At best switch grass produces 77gallons of gasoline equivalent per ton [ethanol is less “powerful” than gasoline]. The field cost of ordinary hay [for cattle feed] is about $50 per ton…and increasing fuel cost [for tractors, trucks, etc.] will cause those costs to spiral. Transportation and processing costs for switch-grass feed-stocks would add another $4-5 per gallon...at minimum. There’s no “free lunch”! Not a pretty picture!

Scientifically Illiterate
Most people do not understand the difference between profit and profit margin. The governments take on the sale of a gallon of gas is much greater than Exxon, for example. Often the taxes on a gallon of gas is 4 to 5 times greater than the "big oil" company's profit

Use of the strategic oil reserves is like using a band aid to stop a cut in an artery. U.S. companies are restricted from drilling off Florida while the Cubans will be drilling in those same areas. They will be having a little technological help. Do a web search to see who is helping them. Some time ago I believe Cheney used a phrase "banana environmentalists", Build Absolutely Nothing At Noplace Anytime. This is not grammatical but it does sum what the environmental movement has become.

A multi faceted approach to all our energy needs is appropriate. This will include fossil fuels, renewable resources, solar, wind and nuclear. Ethanol sounds really good on the surface to the scientifically illiterate. Use of ethanol will cause food prices to rise, it has already started. Investigate how many uses we have for corn, which is often used as a sweetener in many of the food products we consume. Find out why the rain forests in Brazil are being cut down. (Brazil is ethanol independent)

Home heating with natural gas is more expensive because of the powerplants in Canada converting to "clean" natural gas as a result of the "man-made global warming" crowd.

I enjoy hunting and fishing so I am for helping to protect our environment. The absolute ignorance of Americans regarding science is a direct result of our educational system's feel good approach.

There is a Chinese proverb; "If you want to think ahead one year, plant rice. If you want to think ahead ten years plant trees. If you want to think ahead 100 years educate the people."


total tax reform
WE THE PEOPLE PAY ALL TAXES. REGARDLESS WHERE GOVERNMENT INITIALLY COLLECTS THE MONEY, ALL TAX MONEY ULTIMATELY COMES FROM US, THE PEOPLE. SINCE WE THE PEOPLE ARE THE ONE AND ONLY SOURCE OF ALL TAX REVENUE:
THERE SHOULD BE ONLY ONE TAX TO COLLECT ALL TAX REVENUE. IT SHOULD BE A SINGLE, SIMPLE, FAIR, DIRECT, GRADUATED, INDIVIDUAL, FULL-INCOME TAX LEVIED ON LIVING PERSONS FOR EACH LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT: ONE TAX AND DONE.
THE BEST THING THAT GOVERNMENT CAN DO TO HELP THE COUNTRY, THE PEOPLE, AND EVEN GOVERNMENT, IS TO REPEAL ALL OF THE MANY HUNDREDS, OR THOUSANDS OF EXISTING TAXES, FEES, AND CHARGES. THESE TAXES ARE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PRICE WE PAY FOR HEALTHCARE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND WHAT WE WOULD PAY IF THEY WERE REPEALED: 1/3 LESS. ELIMINATING THESE TAXES WILL REMOVE THEM FROM THE PRICE PAID FOR EVERYTHING BY EVERYONE, INCLUDING GOVERNMENT. THESE TAXES ARE THE FEDERAL DEFICIT. THESE TAXES ARE THE HIGH PRICE OF EVERYTHING. THESE TAX CUTS ARE SPENDING CUTS. EVERY TAX THAT IS ELIMINATED IS A TAX THAT WE THE PEOPLE NO LONGER HAVE TO PAY
THERE IS NO LIMIT TO THE BENEFITS ONE TAX AND DONE WILL PROVIDE.




Col North, I'm surprised at you
I have great respect for you and your service to our country. However, why do you, a professional military man, ignore the most obvious short-term solution?

We already have troops in the middle east. If we get serious militarily (and shut up the liberals) we could finish the conquest in no time. Then commandeer oil tankers from the international oil companies to ship the oil directly to the U.S. where we would be building refineries.

The rest of the world might object, but I have roughly 13,000 reasons why they won't object too loudly.

Why, no, I would never nuke innocent European or Asian cities.

I'd nuke the oil fields.

SteveL - problem?
"There is just one little problem: To put those Solar Power Satellites in orbit and maintain them will require a fleet of spaceships vastly larger than anything NASA currently has. IOW, it depends on having the kind of robust space program we used to have in the 1960s."

I don't see it as a problem so much as a fortuitous side-effect!

We can build a fleet of Delta Clippers. Serviceable by a staff of 9 in a trailer, turnaround time of two weeks per craft.

Then we can focus on building, not these one-shot, specific to the job spacecraft, but generic spacecraft, which can be retrofitted for different missions, and which have no reason to set landing-pad on Earth.

We can modify the superstructure into tankers to retrieve petrochemicals from Titan. We can modify others to transport icy asteroids to soft-land on the moon and Mars for future colonization and terraforming. We can modify others to service the solar-power satellites. We can modify others to transport minerals mined from the moon into geosyncronous smelters. A lot of these could be automated.

Still others could be armed to take out hostile missiles and unauthorized ground forces.

Think of the jobs created (jobs illegal aliens *can't* do). Think of the money to be had. Think of the environments protected.

The only requirement for this scenario is belief in hard technology, belief in mankind's use of hard technology, and the desire to achieve it.

Aw to heck with soft technologies
Even I have been infected with effeminate tech.

Take an island in the gulf of mexico or maybe in the aleutians... my preference would be San Francisco...

You build a giant, hemispherical plate. You put giant shock-absorbers on it. You put your payload, solar power satellites, space station, moon colony, what have you above those. Then you start dropping nukes, one at a time, under the plate.

I haven't done the math in awhile, but it won't take that many to get to orbit.
And we need only do it a few times to get a real foothold in space. As Heinlein put it, once out of Earth's gravity well, you're halfway to anywhere.

Exxon/Mobile gets most oil
from the ME because it is the remnant of Standard Oil built by the Rockefellers decades ago.

But not all oil comes from the ME, and we have gadzillions of untapped domestic oil, let alone some oil companies get NO oil from the ME.

People who think we are going to survive on windpower and conservation must be buying many pairs of walking shoes, down comporters, and paper fans because it's unlikely either will ever rep. even 10% of the energy market in the US. Now they are less than 1%.

We should be heavily investing in nuclear, but the eco-nuts are opposed to any nuclear, along with every other energy source except solar panels and windmills. Then, the Kennedys and Kerrys among the enviro-whackos, don't even want windmills to supply their energy. They don't want to look at windmills spoiling their views.

For youngsters, I'll remind you that high oil prices ($30 a barrel), high food prices (wheat going to the USSR instead of corn to ethanol), and the unsatisfactory end of Vietnam (re: Iraq) brought a Carter ec. where experts wondered if the stock market would ever hit 1000. Most people today have known NOYHING but ec. boom since Reagan. They would be in for a phenomenal shock.

jdw
What about utilizing the Moon's resources?

I heard it said that whatever nation controls the resources of the Moon will have power over all other nations, in time. I actually believe this. Yes. The Moon is not just important for study. It has massive resource potential.

While this is in the more distant future, could the solar collector be positioned on the Moon rather than in space? If so, it would seem reasonable that some of the solar power collected could be used to power Moon based facilities of some kind.

SteveL writes:
2%

SteveL. We have 1.5 to 3 trillion barrels of recoverable oil in the western states. Sen. Hatch has been trying to get production moving but keeps running into opposition.

That is 200 to 400 years of oil at current demand rates. At current oil prices, it is recoverable oil according to Hatch.

Also, nobody has mentioned Canterell the big field in Mexico we depend on for 14% of our oil imports from Mexico. It is in rapid, double digit, decline. New technology was used when it started to decline that increased production by millions of barrels but, all that did was speed up emptying the field.

Now, Mexico is not only facing a drying field but their oil consumption is rising demanding more and more of their own oil.

Our oil policy was set in 1971 when we agreed to protect OPEC nations if they would sell oil in dollars to save the dollar that was about to collapse by creating global demand for the dollar to buy oil with. Since we were the world's largest oil consumer, we put in place policies that would force us to import more and more oil from OPEC nations at that time, to keep them happy and rolling in money so they would keep selling in dollars.

Now that trend is changing and some are moving away from the dollar. As they do, demand for the dollar drops and the value drops as it does. Yes, there are other factors but, look at a chart of the dollar to the euro and then mark the points when Saddam started selling oil in Euros, the rally when we switched oil sales back to dollars, when Iran threatened to sell in euros, was delayed (another rally in the dollar) and then when the realization they would sell in euros (and later in yen) and the dollars drop again. Very interesting chart.

We will soon have no choice but to get our own oil if the dollar continues to fall.

renny
Agreed.

That is why I am hopeful we will elect a president that defies the enviroloons wholeheartedly and unabashedly. I beleive it is of a higher priority than illegal immigration (or anything else besides national defense).


jdw
I see the obvious flaw in using the Moon for the solar collector. I feel as stupid as a liberal!

The US equivelent to oil...
...is (was?) the dollar.

This a reality that has escaped Wall St., Main St., the White House and Capital Hill. The stability of US currency has been our own natural resource that was every bit as valuable as Middle East oil. That is why oil is priced in dollars and not other currencies (but for how long?). However, Wall St's need to find another dot.com bubble led the Feds to cheapen the dollar (interest rates too low) that created the sub-prime bubble and jeopardized the worlds confidence in the dollar.

As well, the images of 9/11 didn't help either. America is now no longer a safe "fortress" to confidently deposit the worlds dollars because we left our doors unlocked and accepted guests without invitation.

$100 a barrel oil? We did it to ourselves!

It's not either-or
Fuzzy, I don't see a problem with using the moon as an energy collection platform, to power the production taking place on the moon.


Solar from Space
Some studies have been done that suggest building solar collectors at the poles and beaming that energy to Earth might be feasible. Alternatively, mining Helium 3 for use in fusion reactors has also been suggested.

Personally, while I'm not an expert on the subject, I think we'd do better to have solar collectors in Geo-sync orbit, largely built using resources from the Moon rather than taking everything to orbit from Earth. But again, this is a relatively long term solution (i.e. 10 to 15 years to a low earth orbit demonstrator, and at least another 5 to 10 years to a full scale 1 GW station at Geo-sync).

I've been involved in space advocacy for a couple or three decades now. If I sound pessimistic, it's because I saw what happened to the Delta Clipper program, among other things, going back to the demise of the Saturn V in favor of the Shuttle. While I haven't given up all hope yet, given the development of SpaceShipOne as a completely private project, I can see it will still take at least a couple more decades to make any progress on Space-based Solar--and that's assuming the eco-nuts don't shoot it down like they've shot just about everything else down in their hatred of themselves and the rest of us.

As for the oil shale in Colorado, apparently there's a new procedure that basically freezes a wall around a specific area, then heats the shale within that area to the point where the kerogen liquifies and can then be pumped out using a more or less standard oil pump jack (or a collection of them). It appears at least one company is testing the procedure. Problem is, it takes about 5 years for the kerogen in a specific "cell" to heat up to the point where it becomes liquid enough to pump. Still, if the process proves out, it should require much less water, much less environmental damage, and far fewer people to implement it.

And no, I don't get all my information from the TH ads.

jdw
Yes. Not as far as powering Moon production, but for sending power to the Earth. I assume we would need an unbroken connection for the feed from the Moon, however, I have modified my thinking.

We could have satellites in Earth orbit with reflectors to keep the feed from the Moon intact. No deep space technology required. No fleet of spaceships beyond what we already have. Just need to keep working on living structures for the Moon base(s).

This would probably be the best use of gov't funding in the history of the world.


Phoenix Lady
And didn't I hear last year that frozen oil just above the Earth's mantle was unbelievably abundant and could be tapped from offshore operations when economically advantageous? Reports like this lead me to believe in abiotic origins for at least a large percentage of the Earth's oil.

If that is true about it's origin - oil may be being created at a much faster pace than by decay of organic material. Don't laugh. This theory has been around for a hundred years and I hear of scientists that never bought into the notion that all of the dead animal & plant life on the surface of the Earth over eons could account for the oil we have already extracted. Personally, I have always had a problem with any explanation that tries to answer how oil accumulates in huge reserves miles below the Earth's surface.


WAKE UP TO PROFIT
Dear Oliver North,
Your commentary rightly begins with the many ‘reasons’ put forth to explain the cost of fuel; or should we say the manipulation of the cost every other day. Most important is what is left out of your dissertation, and incidentally everyone else’s, is that the PROFIT made by every one of the oil companies, rises as well. The PROFIT-RISE is NOT LINEAR or CONGRUENT, but rises EXPONENTIALLY with each tickle. In short, the oil companies have an OUT when challenged by anyone squawking about fuel cost. Thus any challenging argument, for the mysterious PROFIT, goes out the window. It is a win-win joke on the public. FOLLOW THE PROFITEERS IS THE WAKEUP STORY AS WELL.
Jordan Alexander Orosz, San Diego Ca. USA.
http://theoldsailor.townhall.com

Science Fiction!
It's extremely rare that a TH post cites an authoritative source to support their contentions. So most of the posts amount to the grossest speculation and wild-eyed "science" fiction.

Too Many People
Overpopulation of the planet is what is driving us to ruin. We are ruining our lands and our atmosphere in an effort to satisfy our greed for more and more and more, of what? Will all these things we demand really make us happy. Wouldn't the planet really be better off if there were a lot less people? The world would be great with only two people. Pamela Anderson and me. No, three people! I would need a pizza delivery guy.

Energy prices are destroying the economy
People dont seem to realize just how much energy prices effect the cost of food, retail goods, factory goods and housing costs. Compared to the effects of high energy prices, the housing market problems are a drop in the bucket.

Changes in the commodoties market speculation rules in the 90's created this problem. It's up to Congress to read their own reports and fix the problem immediately before it buries us all.

Blame Bush
Oil in and of itself is not the problem. The problem is that which is used to pay for the oil - the dollar. The higher price we are paying for oil, and as well as other commodities is the result of the Fed inflating the dollar to pay for the extravagances of the government under Bush. War, prescription drugs, No Child Left Behind, farm subsidies and too many other things to mention don't come cheap. It is all being paid for exactly how it was paid for in the 1970s when inflation shot up dramatically under Nixon. There is no energy crisis today as there wasn't one in the 70s. The crisis is a massive increase in the expense of government. Republicans don't want to appear to raise taxes to pay for such extravagances, so they choose the sneaky way - inflation, and we all end up paying through the nose for it all anyway.

go solar
Two-thirds of my electrical consumption and two-thirds of the water heating for my home are supplied by the solar panels on my roof. I have friends whose panels supply 100% of their electricity. No satellites or spaceships needed. As was mentioned, we aren't taking advantage of the resources God has provided.

Would the terrorists prefer an energy system that requires nuclear wastes to travel our highways continuously?

It's incredible the amount of denial and mental gymnastics people will engage in to avoid having to change their habits somewhat (i.e., install solar panels, ride the bus/train).

and...
Does it ever occur to those who advocate acquisition of oil resources through military means that that reduces us to a nation of thieves?

Acquisition of oil resources?
Hello Cam

I must have missed something. Who is advocating the acquisition of oil resources by military means? I have heard some say that that is why we are in Iraq. If so, then why didn't we keep the oil from Kuwait when we went there more than 15 years ago?

Tibby

Rickv404
Its All BUshes fault DUDE ,Hey Dude you know the NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND its a FARCE because they educate MINORITIES and THE YOU KNOW WHOS want be able to keep them on the PLANTATION NO MORE DUDE

We need to
explore for more oil and build more refineries as well as nuclear power plants until a real solution/replacement can be found.

Alternative energy
Better solar cells are on the research board and should be ready shortly.
current ones are not very efficient and are expensive. Solar cells made of cheaper plastic and cells that are up to 40% efficient have been built and efforts are underway to develop methods to produce them cheaply enough to be brought on line. If we had had a leader of vision and put the money to the development of solar rather than invading Iraq for oil could have had these in hand already.

We had all electric cars (California mandated clean cars in the 80's)and advances on those cars have been made. There are efficient hybrids. I can recharge the batteries on my 50 mile to the gallon Honda Insight hybrid car in 5 minutes by running the gas engine. So a bigger all electric car with larger batteries could probably be recharged in 15 minutes using a generator and not plugging into polluting electricity produced with coal.

The solutions are there, but the Republicans and car and oil industries have blocked their development. For example the new car mileage requirements. 35 miles to the gallon by 2020. Thats a joke! We already have cars on the road that can get it. But the car companies battled it back so they can continue to build the gas guzzlers.

We can capture C02 from coal stacks and bubble it through vats of algae. C02 fertilizes algae that can be converted into Biodiesel. read all about it http://www.greenfuelonline.com/
if we had leaders of vision we would move this to industrial level production as soon as possible. Expect Exxon to fight this.

soulsamurai - 3:23 am

""Energy Independence
From Gov Mike Huckabee's website:

The first thing I will do as President is send Congress my comprehensive plan for energy independence. We will achieve energy independence by the end of my second term.""
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Were you born yesterday or are you just very wet behind the ears(green and unexperienced).??.
The last line,"We will achieve energy independence by the end of my second term", says it all.No one can seriously make that kind of promise. NO ONE.

The guy is a fake a blabber mouth without a serious thought in his head. It fits his reputation exactly.


My thoughts
We got our first taste of the "oil shortage" in 1973 and we saw the import of smaller Japanese cars begin. Our own auto industry really did very little to address the issue at that time.

The next "oil shortage" scare came in 1984. During my first four years as a deputy sheriff, (1980-1984) in Moffat County Colorado, there was all kinds of oil drilling going on in the Powderwash Basin NW of Craig. In 1984 most drilling ceased and all the wells were capped. I don't know if they have ever been re-opened. Eleven years gone bye and still no real improvement in fuel economy from the auto manufacturers.

Jump ahead thirty years to 2003, fuel economy for trucks, suv's and some cars almost unchanged since 1973 and we start seeing the price of oil start to climb, with blame and finger pointing going to the war, the oil companies, weather or any other imagined happening that could threaten the supply. The real culprit as I see it is Wall Street. All of the pricing is based on speculation by Wall Street, not by any actual happening (except Katrina, maybe).

Here are a couple of ideas that I think would make sense to ease the cost somewhat. First, do not try to compare the price we pay at the pump to the price they pay in the UK. Most of what they pay at the pump is in taxes, not what a barrel of crude costs.
We need to explore our own sources, offshore, ANWR to mention two.
We need new refinery construction, since none have been built in the US in thirty plus years. If it is a question of space, why not convert a couple of the military bases that have been closed down.

and more
Next we could do away with the 80 plus different blends that our existing refineries have to produce for different parts of the country. Make it three blends (reg, mid and high octane and maybe special race blend) with the best mixes for air quality and performance nationwide. This alone would increase the general supply because the refineries wouldn't have to keep changing their production to meet special area demands and could focus their full production capability on those three blends. More supply, lower prices.
Next, get the auto industry focused on producing engines that deliver power as well as economy. We don't need new body styles until we get the engine issue solved.
And lastly, use our coal reserves and the newer clean burning technology to produce more electricity for industry and homes, while researching new alternatives that can eventually replace the old methods we now have.


Iraq
what would gas prices be today if we did not attack Iraq? If we talked to Iran when they wanted to help? Stayed in Afghanistan and made that more stable and control the Afghan and Pakistan border? A lot lower than $4/gal. Thanks BUSH!

Oh jetpilot: Stuff it! You don't

KNOW that!


Star TRekkies
Image solar collecters supplying electricity....now imagine missiles. We have enough problems protecting our power supplies...lets put them in space and paint a bullseye on them. We don't have a power shortage or any reason for such fantasy. There is NO disasterous global warming and we have enough coal to last for hundreds of years in solid and liquid form. Tell the enviornuts to stuff it. We will never be independent of foreign oil....just for political reasons, if no other.

Question is what to do about this racket
Seems Islam always has some kind of racket going on as the source of their economic strength.
Now they are just swimming in petrodollars. Before it was slave raids, and keeping, or ransoming, or brainwashing slaves for various purposes, such as conquest when they don't want to pay for an army. Also, there was always their taxing of the "dhimmies". And capturing the Bosporus and its revenues fattened
their big Ottoman Empire for a few hundred years. But now with that the other stuff is mostly history, their colluding cartels are still looting western wealth for their controlled oil supply, and so now have a huge trade deficit, and we are all paying through the nose to keep our cars running and houses heated. Doesn't anyone find it rather suspiciously coincidental that so much of Islam can still run a racket on the rest of the world, now from petrodollars? It would seem as though oil is somehow much cheaper or easier to produce in their countries. But is it really? There
is plenty of oil and good labor forces here in the US and other nearby places to extract it, so what really gives the Middle East such plentiful oil?

And anyway, now that we are crudely awakened to this, with the other major oil companies hugely profiting from their colluding along with the likes of OPEC, what can the people do?

We are awake, but what do we do now that we are awake?





Energy Victory
One of the posts in this thread correctly points out that many posters do not cite a credible source for their ramblings. I will do better.
I think it possible to immediately begin to transition to a METHANOL based economy in lieu of a oil based one. The technology already exists, Methanol can be manufactured from ALL organic material including coal, animal and human waste, trash, all biomass whether edible or not(no waiting for cellulosic enzymes to be developed) and natural gas. It can be distributed in the current infrastructure with simple modifications(unlike Hydrogen) and run in internal combustion engines, both diesel and gas, with low cost flex fuel modifications. I cite four sources: 1. "The Methanol Economy" by George Olah. 2. "Energy Victory" by Robert Zubrin( and yeah, this guy is a rocket scientist) 3. Popular Mechanics January 2008 issue where they showcase the new generation of high mileage low pollution diesel engines that are scheduled for the U.S. market in 2009. These engines have as good a mile per gallon rating as hybrids and will run dimethyl ether( a safe economical derivitive of Methanol 4. I would encourage everyone to go to http://www.setamericafree.org to get the facts on Methanol.
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