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Friday, July 20, 2007
Oliver North :: Townhall.com Columnist
Mullah Meetings
by Oliver North
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GEORGETOWN, S.C. -- Here in the "Low Country" along the Carolina coast, where Francis Marion once drove British Redcoats madder than the noonday sun, patriotism is a serious topic. Thousands of young South Carolinians are serving in Iraq, Afghanistan and in the Persian Gulf. "Support Our Troops" signs are ubiquitous. Maybe that's why so many of these good people profess confusion about what's happening in that part of the world -- and in Washington.

This week, most of the conversations with shopkeepers, tradesmen and the nice folks we see once or twice a year when we vacation down here have gone something like this: "Love your show on Fox News. Your reports from the war with our boys are great. Are those people in Congress going to pull 'em out before the job is done?" And, "why are we caving into the Iranians? Are they really building a bomb?"

Compliments are great. We all love to hear them. I do too, but being considered an "expert" on congressional misfeasance and the vague trajectory of American foreign policy is getting to be more of a hurdle than I can leap. The problem became especially acute this week in the aftermath of the House of Representatives passing a resolution calling for U.S. troops to be withdrawn from Iraq by April 1, 2008 and our State Department's announcement that we should have "another face-to-face meeting" with the Iranians.

"What good does it do to talk to the Iranians? Don't they just lie?" asked the young man at the hardware store where I went to buy what I needed to repair a broken screen door. He said he had served in Iraq with the South Carolina National Guard and has friends still "over there." His question deserved an answer, but I didn't have one. I'm as confounded by these developments as he is, but I vowed to get back to him after I learned more.

When I got back to the house, instead of fixing the screen door, I turned on my computer and groped around the Internet for why we need to meet with the mullahs. According to Foggy Bottom spokesperson Sean McCormack, we should talk to the theocrats running Tehran, because we have "to directly convey to the Iranian authorities that if they wish to see a more stable, secure, peaceful Iraq, which is what they have said they would like to see, that they need to change their behavior."

Apparently McCormack delivered this line with a straight face and no one laughed out loud or fell off their chairs at the thought of the Iranians changing their behavior, because our diplomats sipped tea and chatted with them. Maybe that's why so many citizens down here are confused about what's happening in Washington. These folks may be 500 miles from our nation's capital, but they think that the people in our government ought to -- as one put it to me yesterday -- "make sure we're not being played for suckers," and he's right.

Earlier this month, in a teleconference from Baghdad, Army Brig. Gen. Kevin Bergner described how the Quds Force, an elite unit of Iran's Revolutionary Guard has been playing "key roles in the planning and execution of bombings, kidnappings, extortion, sectarian murders, illegal arms trafficking, and other attacks against the Iraqi people, the police, the Iraqi army, and coalition forces." He went on to note that, "Our intelligence reveals that the senior leadership in Iran is aware of this activity."

Can our State Department's diplomats say anything that would persuade the duplicitous "senior leadership in Iran" to "change their behavior"? There is little evidence that "talks" with Tehran can produce anything except Iranian advantage.

For more than four years European emissaries, U.N. officials and U.S. negotiators have been trying to convince the Ayatollahs to desist from building nuclear weapons. It hasn't worked.

Six months ago, U.S. arms experts estimated that it would be three to five years before the Iranians could build nuclear bombs. Last month Israel's Directorate of Military Intelligence revised its forecast for Tehran attaining a nuclear capability to "mid-2009." And last week, our diplomats complained that Beijing is continuing to ship equipment and technology to Iran that can be used to build nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles. In response to these gloomy developments, the United Nations, the Europeans and liberal U.S. politicians, fearful that the Ayatollahs might cut oil production, counsel caution -- and more talks.

Thus far, talking has gotten us nowhere. Given the history of previous "negotiations" with the radical Islamists running Persia, their stated goals for driving "infidels" from "the lands of the Prophet" -- and their unabated quest for nuclear weapons, we should be quietly supporting anti-Ayatollah movements inside Iran instead of further legitimizing the regime in Tehran with more talks.

Early this morning, I again encountered the young veteran who had buttonholed me at the hardware store earlier in the week. "Well," he asked, "did you find out if we're really going to sit down with the Iranians?"

"Looks like it's going to happen," I replied lamely.

He shook his head and said, "It just doesn't make any sense to me." I agree.

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We need 2 State Departments
Independent, yet lateral of each other. One could glad hand, suck up and carry bushels of carrots (like we have right now), the other could be more prudent, vigilant and carry a big stick.

Our State Dept. for many years now has had a global mindset. We need it to start putting America's interest first.

Street sense certainly...
...has more wisdom in it than the nonsensical actions coming from foggy bottom. History may show that GW Bush's biggest error was not cleaning out the state(less) department within minutes of his taking office in January of '01. Those dolts with supposedly high IQ's have led US down the primrose path of self-destruction. They have yet to realize that diplomacy without the legitimate threat of force is not truly diplomacy.
These LIBERAL do-gooders must be cleaned completely out of , not just foggy bottom, but Washington itself.

President Bush's continuing efforts with six (6) party talks in Korea has produced results. How was he able to continue those talks when all the "knowledgeable" US diplomats wanted only US-North Korea "bi-lateral" talks? His determination there should now be copied in any dealings with Persia with the caveat that we get gutsy people from gutsy countries to be participants in the talks (i.e. -- Australia, India, (maybe Great Briton) Japan, China -- but not France or any other eunuched European Union country).

If progress is to be made against Persia (Iran or whatever the name du jour is) the talks MUST BE ENFORCABLY TOUGH!

BTW, Col. this piece is an interesting take on our (US) problems. Thanks.
TBC :>|

Good for Ollie!!!
So many who read Townhall pontificate at length about strategy and tactics without even a tad of his knowledge about what is actually going on. I pose the question that I wrote in response to another article, "Can we use diplomacy with religious fanatics?" I, however, am a believer of taking from strength with a willingness to follow through with strength!

DarkMessiah
The Iranians have STATED REPEATEDLY in The Press that they are continuing to enrich uranium. My question is WHY they need uranium for energy when they are sitting on an OCEAN OF OIL?

Talk to Iran

Say

You have the legal right to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes

You are not truthful, we do not trust you to do what you say, we fear how you will use enriched uranium

Stop enriching uranium until you can prove you are trustworthy

Or we will stop you

China - do you understand our position?


The Black Cherokee, correct!
It is past time to clear out the entire State Dept. including Condi. Something happens to everyone that goes into that dept. that is like a lobotomy. They seem to think that they can talk to anyone and get cooperation when in reality, all they get is terms for surrender.they pass out visas like candy to terrorist who don't even attempt to fool them with the paperwork. Doesn't matter, give them an H1B visa for a short order cook, it is another "job Americans won't do". I wonder how many of the 9/11 killers got student loans from us to learn to fly planes without ever learning to take off or land.

Georgetwin, don't even respond to the nutjobs, it only encourages them. Facts and logic have no place in the leftist mind.

mullahs
when duplicity is the sport of the ME why should anyone think anything of a serious nature will be discussed should america and iran sit down for discussions. We are marked as the number enemy who stands in the way of their desire to dominate and control the ME. Since very little is actually known about the power structure and how it runs iran it is difficult to know how any negotiations can succeed. We had all this inside info concerning saddam and all was not proven true. There should be a hesitancy to believe specualtion based opn info derived from persons outside of iran. We hear that there is a large portion of the population upset with the mullahs and would welcome change. I don't know how truly realiable that is and any acxtion based on that speculation alone could prove foolhardy. Past history tells us iran considered carter a joke and thus wouldn't give up the embassy hostages. They were released when reagan came on board as they feared him and what he would do. It is probably safe to assume that based on the dims support in congress and that lack of any real resolve comiong from the prfesident, the iranians are not losing any sleep over us U.S> intervention. Perhaps this next president will again instill a sense of fear in the iranians that will force change, until then the status quo will remain in place

Disappointed
Col. North has dealt with the Iranians probably as much as anyone in the US, albeit through back channels during the 1980s. I expect that most of the key players are the same today as they were back then. I am disappointed that he hasn't weighed in here on what he recommends we do to get the mullahs out of the equation. I am not an assassin, so I don't know how difficult it would be to simply eliminate the key players without military action, but if it were possible, that's what I'd recommend.

DarkMessiah
OK, but SURELY you don’t think their Nuclear Program is PEACEFUL when The Runt rants about Wiping out Israel.

I said nothing about a pinpoint strike of any kind. The way to win a war is to drop the gloves and make your enemy’s existence A LIVING HELL!

THAT is what General Petraeus is doing!

Regards from The Real World,
Georgetwin

georgetwin
we can place bombs, we just aren't putting them in the right place. The better targets would be wahhabists headquarters in saudia arabia, the mad mullahs next meeting in iran and all slime similar to al sadr. Cutting the head off the snakes would be far more effective.

Iraq Pullout
Honestly curious. Anyone have a take on how a pullout from Iraq would impact our capacity to encourage resistance by the Iranian people to the Mullahs? My gut feel is that this would be perceived as weakness by the average Iranians, would give us less credibility with them, and would make them skeptical of anything we tell them. Would be interested in what the TH crew thinks of this.




wildwest
I know we can, but I was accused of saying that was all that was needed. I never said anything of the kind. The Liberals are going crazy because Cheney will be acting POTUS while Bush is knocked out tomorrow!

Ollie is experienced with Iranians?
Am I the only one who finds it strange beyond belief that Oliver North is the one questioning whether we should talk with the Iranians?

Isn't this the same guy who illegally sold them anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons through the back door during the Iran-Contra scandal during the Reagan administration? The one fired by President Reagan? The only Nancy Reagan later said lied to Reagan's face when questioned about the transactions?

So we shouldn't talk to them, huh? Just sell them weapons? This guy redefines the mean of chutzpah.

Darkmessiah
We always hear that crap about Iran has the right to enrich uranium. Its not about whether its a right or not its about how much uranium one would need for peaceful(power generation)purposes. They keep building centrifuges by the boat load somewhere in the nieghborhood of 160 of them thats four times the amount we have at hanford, our weapons grade facility. That is what one needs for weapons grade material to produce warheads, thats enough to convince me they are looking to nuke someone. If thats not enough for you then why wont they allow the regulatory commission in there to conduct inspections......could it be they have something to hide? You are the type of idiot that will get us all killed with your anti-logic mentality you would wait till they nuke israel and you would reply "they deserve it" then they would nuke the US interest in the region and you blame it on Bush. All the while if they nuke anyone its people as stupid as you that are at fault.

georgetwin
the libs want an instant solution to the problem. My suggestion is only as starting point as there so many ingrained problems endemic through the area. But wars are only ended when they enemy will no longer pay the price to continue. Until these wackos in the area fully understand what is their fate they will never come to the bargaining table. But the dims just don't want to believe these muslims when they say their destiny is to rule the world. Many of us believe this threat to be serious. Libs denials to the contrary offer no comfort or assurance

georgetwin
I had that same procedure 18 months ago. I was out for less than an hour. The worse part was drinking the noxious liquid required for the test.

There Was A Time, Evidently Now
a footnote to history that will be written by non-American victors of this conflict, when one knew, that regardless of appearances, someone was watching with a keen and appraising eye. That these eyes were not at all naive, nor taken in by enemies because it was their job to be certain of the protection of our country and her people.

I do hope that hasn't changed but I fear that it has. I see no indications of if and after almost 3 decades of death and destruction at Iranian hands worldwide, I should have noticed a positive indicator by now.

It isn't there. It isn't there because other things are more important than the safety and welfare of this country and her people. It isn't there because our people have been successfully "protected" from information about our enemies and the threats. Why? Well let's see. Those who are protecting us from this information are socialists...
And let's not forget the business community who aren't socialists but like money better than they like you and your country.

Guess it's a win/win situation For everyone! Except the average American and of course the United States of America and all that the goodness that she represents. That makes it a triple win because they don't like that either.

Ocean of Oil?
Georgetwin wrote

They are sitting on an ocean of oil.

This is a misconception about Iran. They are having gas restrictions right now because they do not have enough oil and refining capability. The US produces over twice what Iran does. Check out http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922041.html

Their problem is getting it out of the ground without help from the west whom they hate. Kinda puts them in a bad spot.

Regarding the original premise. A Fox contributor (can't remember who, but ex military, Col. I think) said at the beginning of the conflict we need to go into Iraq and probably Iran and "whack" a few of the leading Mullahs. His outlandish comment then seems almost prophetic now.

Iran can't get it's oil out
of the ground without the west?

Knock Knock, HELLO!

They're in the process of building...

****** TA DA!! ******
NUCLEAR WEAPONS!

I don't think producing and refining petroleum is going to be a problem and I don't care what their latest story is.

Give and Take
Negotiations are supposed to be a compromise. Each side concedes something to recieve something. With Iran it will be- we give and they take. We can only lose. Are we losers? Does anyone,anywhere believe Iran will honor their side of any bargain? If so, I have a deer lease for sale.

macthemadman
Seems odd doesn't it, that Iran is building a very complicated "peaceful" nuclear facility for power, but can't seem to figure out how to build a comparatively simple refinery or two.

Only the DarkMessiah's of the world can't figure out what's going on.

Bush must be biding his time
until he can install the missile defence system planed to be built in Poland to protect Europe from an Iranian missle strike in case Pres. Ahmenididnijab lashes out in anger in response to Pres Bush laying on all the pressure he can bring to bare in this situation

Doesn't make sense to me either!
"Early this morning, I again encountered the young veteran who had buttonholed me at the hardware store earlier in the week. "Well," he asked, "did you find out if we're really going to sit down with the Iranians?"

"Looks like it's going to happen," I replied lamely.

He shook his head and said, "It just doesn't make any sense to me." I agree."

Keep up the good work, Colonel!
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