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Friday, April 20, 2007
Oliver North :: Townhall.com Columnist
Confronting Evil
by Oliver North
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WASHINGTON -- This week, while the masters of America's mainstream media were probing the carnage perpetrated by a deranged, lone gunman in Blacksburg, Va., Defense Secretary Robert Gates was in Israel, discounting the threat posed by an irrational government intent on acquiring nuclear weapons. Neither act makes any sense.

In the aftermath of the tragedy at Virginia Tech, schoolmates, faculty members and law enforcement officials pointed to the gunman's pattern of unbalanced behavior, menacing anger and self-destructive writings. Numerous reports cited rules and privacy laws that barred authorities from acting to thwart the massacre of 32 innocents. Like the killings at Columbine eight years ago this week, and with the same clarity of 20/20 hindsight, "experts" concur that the killing could have been prevented had action been taken months or even years ago. It's a lesson that should be applied to our dealings with the irrational, threatening, self-destructive regime in Tehran.

On April 18, as the potentates of the press were discovering stories of courage and compassion at Virginia Tech, Gates, standing beside his Israeli counterpart, Amir Peretz, declared that they had decided to "deal with the Iranian nuclear problem through diplomacy, which appears to be working." He went on to note that the international community is "united" in this approach. This sounds eerily like urging deeply disturbed, homicidal students to seek counseling and talk about their problems in lieu of more stringent measures that might deter them from committing mass murder.

Unfortunately, the homicidal Islamic radicals running Iran are arming themselves with weapons far more lethal than handguns, and the mass murder they plan to perpetrate will kill millions. And yet, if the advice being proffered by Messrs. Gates and Peretz is followed, we will continue to ignore all the warning signs and "talk" with Iran until it is too late.

The killers at Columbine and Virginia Tech repeatedly denied that they were potentially destructive to themselves or others -- until they acted. They hid their weapons and their intentions while plotting mayhem. That's the same pattern of behavior that the Ayatollahs in Tehran have followed.

The clandestine Iranian nuclear program was underway for nearly 18 years before being discovered. When International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) inspectors finally investigated, the Iranians lied and destroyed evidence. Confronted by their European bankers and trading partners two years ago, the theocrats responded with denials, deceit and defiance. When the United Nations passed a "soft sanctions" resolution last December, the Iranian regime expedited the installation of gas centrifuges at their Nantaz uranium enrichment complex. And last month, after the United Nations passed a second sanctions resolution, Tehran announced new limits on "cooperation" with the IAEA and blocked access to their Arak heavy water reactor -- a facility believed capable of producing plutonium for nuclear weapons when completed. And that's not all.

In January, U.S. Special Operations units captured five senior operatives of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps' Quds Force in Irbil, Iraq. In Baghdad, weapons and explosives provided by Iran to Iraqi terror cells were put on display. On March 23, the Iranians responded by taking 15 British military personnel hostage, and threatening the flow of oil through the Strait of Hormuz. And there's more.

This week, while the world grieved at the bloodshed in Blacksburg, Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, announced, "We have intercepted weapons in Afghanistan headed for the Taliban that were made in Iran." Hours later, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad defiantly stated that Iran's military would "cut off the hands off any aggressors." This is the same head of state who has promised that "the United States and the Zionist regime of Israel will soon come to the end of their lives."

Despite Gates' confidence in diplomacy, it should be clear that talking with deranged despots is more dangerous than encouraging deeply disturbed gunmen to seek counseling. While there is still time, the United States should take the following five initiatives to deter Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons:

-- Reaffirm that the United States is no longer bound by the abysmal Algiers Accord -- negotiated by Jimmy Carter -- proscribing U.S. intervention in "Iran's internal affairs."

-- Strengthen connections with opposition groups, including the National Council of Resistance of Iran, and other organizations devoted to regime change in Tehran.

-- Ignore "diplomatic" complaints about economic sanctions and inform foreign banks and businesses trading with Iran that they cannot do business in the United States.

-- Publicize Tehran's human rights abuses, as we once did with the Soviet Union.

-- Use Voice of America, Radio Farda and Internet broadcasts to inform the people of Iran of our affection for them, and the dangers posed by their radical, unstable leaders.

Taking these actions now against the irrational regime in Tehran could well prevent the mournful refrain we heard after the carnage in Columbine and Virginia Tech: Why didn't we do something to prevent this terrible toll?

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IF WE ALLOW IRAN TO CONTINUE ENRICHING URANIUM, IT WILL SOON BE TOO LATE.
A preemptive strike by Isreal should take place or GWB must confront them immediately about their intervention into Iraq, show the evidence, then proceed in turning Iran into a glass parking lot. Otherwise, the End Times may be very near.

Peek-a-boo game
Remember the game we play with toddlers? That seems to be the "game" we are playing with Iran. If we won't see the danger, then obviously it isn't there. And if it isn't there, then we don't need to do anything about it.

Problem? What problem?

Bomb? What bomb?

Annihilation? What annihilation?

Peek-a-boo was the case with the Virginia Tech murderer and seems to be the same case with Iran.

God help us.

To Dark Messiah
We are not getting our butts whipped in Iraq or anywhere else. Only because leftists suchh as you who want America defeated and want to engage in mindless appeasement are wordds used such as you use. Don't you know that appeasement and weakness will only lead to worse conflict?

Isarel is not an apartheid state. It is the most successful working democracy in the Middle East. "Free Palestine"??? To do what? To allow Palstinian radicals to engage in more acts of terrorism than they already do? By referringto Israel's borders, you seem to accpet Israel's right to exist. But Hamas, the current ruling party in Palestine, does not accept Israel's right to exist. And you obvioulsy forget that Israel has actedbeyond its borders because it was attacked four times by Arab armies intent upon destroying it and you forget that Israel has already withdrawn by itself from Gaza. The latter step has not secured peace because radical Islamists don't want peace.

For the radical Islamists, you are just a useful idiot.

The suggestions
As an Iranian I agree entirely with Oliver North's suggestions, particularly that the U.S. should strengthen its connections with opposition groups such as the National Council of Resistance of Iran.

It's nice to see that there are some commentators around that actually offer decent propositions for tackling the threat of the ayatollahs.

I have a feeling though that the regime's agents would soon inondate this post with negative comments to make it look like Iranians are against the suggestions.

But hey, you have my support.

Middle ground
While Iran poses a dangerous threat to its neighbors in the MidEast (not just Israel), it has aroused the ire of its own citizens, and I marvel each time I see Iranians marching in the streets to protest the conditions of living forced upon them.

Civilian casualties of war are a major factor in the "modern" world as we no longer "firebomb Dresden" as in WW II. Then again, we don't have a beef with innocent civilians, but the leaders of Iran and their nuclear program.

The first choice is, as has become the norm, to seek "diplomatic solutions," ie, do nothing, as this is about as helpful as trying to reason with, say, Charles Manson.

However, if we were to take out Iran's navy, this would certainly get their attention and let them know we mean business. If we know where their nuclear facilities are, we might deliver a surprise package to the one or more of them.

It's clear that doing nothing (consider Carter's "negotiations" with N Korea in the 90s) is a laughable deterrent as well as a show of weakness to our enemies...and financially they get a great "return on investment." If ya can't beat 'em, buy 'em! (Throw 'em in the br'ar patch! They'll just HATE that!)

There must be some sort of way to send a message of strength to the Islamic terrorists without throwing the baby out with the bathwater. We are not threatened by Iran's many unemployed civilians who have marched in the streets to protest their OWN government, not ours.

To be effective, we would have to display our military might and willingness to use it when "diplomatic solutions" routinely fail.

In the aftermath of 9/11, Al Qaeda in Afghanistan spread out to avoid massive retaliation that they feared would immediately follow...but failed to materialize.

Al Capone had better sense than our "leaders" today. It is self-evidently true that one can get farther with a kind word and a gun than just a kind word, as Capone quipped. This is not a suggestion, but simply a fact. (One does not threaten a neighbor with a gun in order to borrow a cup of sugar.)

Doesn't 21st century warfare mean that America will be armed with only a kind word?

Say what you will about Bush (who seems to be bi-polar, unsuccessfully trying to suck up to democrats in his first term, eg, Tedward Kennedy and wasteful education spending, and getting his head handed to him in return), with the very real possibility of an "anti-war" liberal president, we have until early '09 to take care of business, or "business" will take care of us!

This would guarantee a republican president elected in 2012, but we would pay a heavy price for "acquired helplessness" in the interim.

DarkMessiah
AS long as you cintinue to end your post with the last two comments. Nobody will ever listen to anything you say. The answer is always the same and a waste of time to answer.
The muslim religion is soo great and soo peaceful, they are killing hundreds of each other everyday.

voxoreason
You are right, but I would remind them of the only gas refinery they have. GPS guided nissle or bomb will equal no gas refinery. Then they will get their wish of living in a more pure muslim society.

Surrendercrats and Iran
Ollie,Greetings! I have been a supporter of yours for decades...you may even remember my letters of support in your own dark times. I believe you are right on this issue. It is irresponsible of the left wing to want our country to surrender to a rag tag bunch of cutthroats bent on our (and Israel) destruction. John McCain expressed it right, I'm not joking. I don't want to harm the good people in Iran, Iraq, Palestine or Darfur. I design weapons for our side. When the evil forces perpetrate their crimes against humanity, the wheels start turning and I strike back...not with words, but with new weapons designs. Harry Reid is an embarrassment to all Americans, Nancy Pelosi is a close second. Political posturing by them hurts our cause(freedom, in case they need to be reminded), our troops, and our ability to negotiate with the terrorists they want to have over for tea and conversation. I am ashamed to be a Democrat and will switch parties today. Other Democrats should do the same to send the sellouts a message that they don't even speak for all Dem's, much less for America. If these 2 other commenters used proper English they would at least appear to have educated opinions. Semper Fi...Grandmaster Ro USAF 69-73 Wa-Ken Tal Kung-Fu 5 Forms

Right On!
The time for action is NOW! I am willing to lay everything on the line. That if we took military action against Iran the problems in Iraq would stop.
We need to face evil down if not we need to eliminate it.
Ollie; keep sounding the voice.

The Time for action is now!

Lynne
"I fear that it's the liberals who don't take this seriously, and think talking will fix the world."

Meaningful diplomacy has never worked unless as a result of or the threat of armed conflict.

Damage has already been done
Unless the Europeans or Israel act militarily to stop Iran. Iran will have nukes.

Israel is trapped in no-mans land. If they act they know they may be doing so without the U.S. to back them either diplomatically or militarily.

I don't believe Europe has the will or the know-how to pull it off.

I do not believe the U.S. will act because the damage inflected by the MSM and the democrats. The atmosphere that has been created is one that promotes reaction rather then pro-active actions. If GW or the next President acts pro-actively, no matter what the outcome of his actions turn out to be, it will be twisted into huge negatives for their party.

Example 1: We strike Iranian targets destroying their ability to make nukes. The democrats and the MSM would argue our intell was flawed, Iran was not really creating nukes, We are just war mongers, we killed a bunch of innocent people, etc...

Example 2: We strike and fail. We are inept, our intell was too poor to act on, we are war mongers, we should of used diplomacy, etc...

The only time serious military action will now come is after a nuke goes off in Europe, America or Israel. Then, we can only hope, that we will be able to determine definitively where the nuke came from. EVEN THEN, will we have the will to do whats necessary to prevent another and send a message to other countries thinking about doing the same?

Speak Softly
In order to attempt to allow the diplomats to ease world tension, it seems to me that the USA must publicly act the part of a gentle giant. Sanctions and the most severe economic pressure must be engaged and allowed to work. However, simultaneously, if the USA does not fund disidence in Iran and does not have special operators working with great vigor in Iran, then we have become a nation of fools.

Not alone in the sentiment
Interesting article... just this morning I saw the following article that shows some in Israel clearly feel the same, although their proposed solution isn't quite so "nice":

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3390265,00.html

Interventionism
"if the USA does not fund disidence in Iran and does not have special operators working with great vigor in Iran"

Oh, I'm quite sure we are already doing this. Much like we did long ago when we overthrew their democratically-elected President, Mossadeqh.

Will we never learn?

KristinJ
I have a question. Why is it alright for Israel to not only have nuclear power, but have over 400 nukes at last report, but not allow nuclear inspectors in to see the current status, but it is not ok for Iran to have nuclear power?

Before you go there, if Israel is such a bud of ours, why are they constantly spying on us?

FOX news report on Israel's spying:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7545.htm

We bought the propaganda
Well, it looks like the propaganda push has worked, if the posters on this site are a reference. A lot of Americans are now behind invading yet another sovereign nation that has not attacked us. Oh goody... just what the neocons had planned in their plan, "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm". http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1438.htm

Liberty
"Oh goody... just what the neocons had planned in their plan, "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm".

I think you have some propaganda/mental problems of your own.

AreDNmheaD
Did you read it?

Jericho sanction


Is it possible that if Iran makes and uses the bomb, Israel will invoke the response of "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" or would it be more of a all out attack on Jerico , I mean Iran.

Lynne
Nuclear power is different than nuclear weapons.

Lynne
Ok, I'm open here. You see, I've seen the articles where Ahmadenijad supposedly said he wanted to kill everyone; however, when I actually took the time to look at his actual words, he didn't say that at all. What I saw was a claim of retribution, if Iran was attacked. So, could you show me the actual reference where he is saying he wants to bomb the heck out of America or Israel?

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Lynne
I know you're not stupid and I was not attempting to imply that you were. However, excuse me, if I want to see the entire source, not just some plucked out statement by the government news network... FOX news.

And YES, I think it's important before we go invade yet another sovereign nation who hasn't attacked us. You betcha!! Especially, since what we are doing was laid down before 9-11 even occurred by a bunch of ex-Trotskyite neocons that are now running our foreign policy.

Iran
If peace talks worked we would not have had WW2.U.K was talking to Hitler and we were talking to the Japanese.Show me anywhere in history where talking helped especially when you opponent sees you as being a paper tiger.It is going to be terrible if we have to bomb Iran because most of their citizens want peace with us.The mullahs are counting on that.That is why they think they can strike first.Teddy Roosevelt said walk softly but carry a big stick

Iran: The next Zionist whipping boy
I'll be darned if I want to see anymore Americans dying in battle for Israel's safety. Enough is enough! Israel has hundreds of nuclear weapons with which to defend itself. They goaded us into Iraq, and now are trying the same thing with Iran.

I do not personally believe all the "facts" that show they are arming our enemies in Iraq. Especially if these "facts" are of Israeli origin. Let Israel fights its own wars/threats. For us to bomb Iran when they are no threat to us would be a war crime.

Liberty
Do you seriously need someone here to explain to you the difference between Israel having nukes and Iran having nukes?

BOYCOTT NBC
One aspect in this tragedy is the NBC complicity resulting in the broadcast of the "exclusive" tapes. Below is the letter I’ve written to Steve Capus, President of NBC News.

I would urge those reading this to post it on to as many web sites as possible and forward it to others, urging them to do the same.
______________________________________________

Mr. Capus,
Last night I was informed of your decision to broadcast the “Exclusive” video and accompanying rant, mailed to your news office by the deranged individual responsible for VA Tech shootings. I refused to view it and all subsequent NBC coverage of this event, as I realized your decision to broadcast the tape; being entirely self serving, only facilitated this persons agenda, by giving him the public platform he desired, while encouraging others to follow suit. In allowing him to achieve this ultimate agenda, you are culpable. Subsequent events confirm this. Within days following the event, others seeking similar notoriety, have made threats to schools around the country. Why? It’s not just that they are deranged. By similar acts, they achieve International "recognition" and “fame”, due to news media executives who are thoughtless and stupid enough to broadcast their pictures and rants; thus providing the inducement they need to carry out their plans. You facilitate their warped goals. If there are copy cat incidents, encouraged by this notoriety, it’s Idiots like you who will share some of the responsibility. Your shortsighted decision to broadcast the tape was based on solely on your quest for rating. Your greed and indifference is despicable. Well, you got your ratings. And I suspect greed and indifference are integral parts of your character.
Normally, I write letters that are civil and polite, regardless of the circumstances. My upper-middle class background taught me to be that way. My education and subsequent professional career reinforced this requirement for civility and politeness: (in most cases). However, in your case I must make an exception. Your monumental stupidity causes me to tell it like it is. The truth is, you’re a reprehensible self-centered greedy little prick. You could care less about the likely result of such an ill-conceived decision. The consequences should be evident to any intelligent person. But as the President of one of the largest news broadcasting companies in the world, your complicity in the agenda of this deranged person, by airing his tape, is INEXCUSABLE! This letter will be published on numerous blogs with the recommendation that NBC be boycotted. No American with any intelligence or sensitivity should watch your net work. And the NBC board of directors should fire your sorry dumb a*s for your reckless and callus disregard. And that “sir”, is about as polite as I can be. F**k you and your ratings. .Don’t like my tone? Too bad. You’re welcome to contact me and discuss it. But we both know you won’t. Most likely, the sycophant admin assistant you hire to read your mail won’t show this to you. Media a*s holes like you care only for ratings, with total disregard for the consequences, and place themselves above public opinion. But perhaps the opinion of the NBC Board of Directors who will receive copies of this letter may get your attention.
BOYCOTT NBC!


Lynne
I'm looking. As yet, I have not run into full speeches, just plucked out quotes. Here is one from a Palestinian I found interesting, because it sounds a lot like what a number of people are saying on this site, as a reason to bomb Iran:

"I tell you that we will protect the enterprise of the resistance, because the Zionist enemy understands only the language of force. It does not recognize peace or the agreements. It does not recognize anything, and it understands only the language of force. Our jihad-fighting Palestinian people salutes its brother, Sudan."

Liberty
Will this help?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20061019-090449-1441r


It's too late now anyway.
Senator Reed has already said we lost the war!

Ollie's Plan
Most of the Columnist here at Townhall talk about dark situations but offer no hope or solution. This what most of the mainstream media does as well. Regardless of your opinion of the plan proposed lets give credit to Col North for providing an action agenda

Liberty
Why do you always take an anti-Government stance that would tend to aid Radical Islam?
You complain bitterly about electronic monitoring of phone calls to suspected terrorists but I have never heard of a single incident where an innocent party has been harmed.

Now you object to defensive measures to prevent some nutcake cultist from nuking an American city?

Have you even considered the consequences of letting down America's guard if you are wrong?

Lynne
Actually, that quote did not belong to me, it came from Dr. North. However, I agree with him.

I much prefer to look at the entirety of Ahmadinejad's statements, instead of just relying on someone else's interpretations of them, or selective plucking. I would think you would prefer to do the same also. I could care less if the mass media tells us to accept what they say as "facts". I want to see the entirety of what he said. My, oh my, we have become good little sheeple, preferring to just accept what the heck someone tells us.

Tell me, Lynne.... if your country had a long history of Americans overthrowing your democratically-elected leaders and installing puppets of their choosing, would you think of our government as the coming Christ? I doubt it.

This is not exactly what our Founding Fathers had in mind for us, ya think? Nor is it the type of behavior that the majority of WE THE PEOPLE believe in.

It it walks like a duck and quacks like
Again, the neocons wrote plans to create a new middle east, BEFORE 9-11. Now, they are in positions of power running our foreign policy. Surprise upon surprise, they are executing the plans they wrote and are doing whatever is necessary to spew the necessary propaganda to get the American people behind their actions.

MyOpine
Thanks. I'll read it.

MyOpine
I have never said I had a problem with monitoring transmissions of suspected terrorists. My beef is that they did not do it Constitutionally. The FISA court was established because they had griped before at the length of time to get a warrant. So, with FISA, it was near instantaneous. But, the Bush administration refused to use even that. Furthermore, they have changed their story multiple times with regard to who they are actually surveilling. Now, it appears they are surveilling every friggin' one. Yes, I'm talking about in our own country.

By the way, MyOpine, our country was founded on a healthy distrust of government. Our Founders understood the need of a federal government for such things as providing for our national defense, but they wanted to massively limit their power by dividing it up. They left us with strict orders to watch those we allowed to serve in our government to make sure they didn't usurp their boundaries. We have become such little sheeple and followers, we just believe whatever we're told and pray at their feet. It's sickening, quite frankly.

You may think it's fine to create a prison planet in our own country to "keep us safe", but for me, I decline. I would much rather have LIBERTY.

MyOpine
By the way, since you believe that gummit should be so trusted, why not just turn in all our guns and trust that gummit will protect us?

Do you remember that article I referred you to that you liked? Maybe you should read it again.

Liberty
I don't recall saying I have blind trust in Government.
Nor would I advise anyone else to blindly trust Government.

What Drew my curiosity about you is the way you oppose measures to protect American civilians from terror attack and advocate our forces retreat from Iraq.

Coincidence?

Ollie
Ollie is a proven moral coward (he lied to congress rather than tell the truth while under an oath to support the constitution). He is all bluster and refuses to accept the fact that it is he and others of the far right who have created the Iranian threat bremoving threats (Iraq) against Iran and physically threatening the legal government of Iran. Surprize Iran is protecting itself thru nuclear power and undermining the US military. The crazy man in Iran is most likely kept in power by a defiant Iranian population refusing to bow to American dictates.

quality leadership
After Secretary of State Pelosi's successful trip to deal with the middle east, Senator Reid has continued showing the leadership ability of the democrats by successfully surrendering to the enemy. There is nothing left to do now but cut off the funds to remaining US Troops who continue to illogically think they are successful in their mission. How silly of them when that great war strategist Dennis Kuchinich knows the truth, that all wars are wrong and we need to give peace a chance. I personally always thought it takes 2 to give peace a chance, but who am I to challange such great leadership as the democrats put forward to lead our decedent country.

How Hal?
You may soon be hearing these words “just command and control”
Really!

To: Liberty
You have GOT to be joking.

If the all-powerful, oh-so-competent scheming "neocons" you claim "...wrote plans to create a new middle east, BEFORE 9-11. Now, they are in positions of power running our foreign policy.", existed, just how do you explain the current situation?

Even potential, let alone actual, victory in Iraq is hanging by a thread. We have nearly exhausted our military professionals, so that invasion in Iran or North Korea is not being seriously put forward by ANYONE (contra your wild claims). You can't claim that a devious group so capable of manipulating public opinion and defying the Constitution would also be so incompetent.

You can't have it both ways. Either the "neocons" of your fantasy are so incompetent that they can't bring their plans to fruition--and thus can be safely ignored--or they DON'T EXIST. If the latter, then the current failures in American foreign policy, like many before them, come from simply reacting to events, misunderstanding the motivations of people who are aren't Americans, over-simplistic viewpoints, and bureaucratic bungling.

Ever hear of Occam's Razor? I've used it to shave from time to time...

Hal
Are you friggin serious?! "...he and others of the far right who have created the Iranian threat..."

You make think the Iranian threat began in 2003, but you're about 25 years off. Iran transformed from ally to enemy due to one man...Jimmy Carter.

For research, try these words: Shah, Ayatollah Khomeini, Jimmy Carter, revolution, radical, 1979, failed U.S. support.

ZB2
Very good points.

It amazes me that libs claim Bush and Republicans are bumbling fools and idiots on one column and then they very same posters claim they are evil and manipulative geniuses on the next.

Finally a sensible solution!
The only sensible solution to deal with the mullahs' regime threats is the "third option" as it was proposed by Mrs. Rajavi,the leader of the main Iranian opposition group, i.e. a democratic change from within Iran by the Iranians and their organzied opposition, instead of "appeasement" and "war". The so-called negotiation with the mullahs regime will eventually lead to "war"!

Who's Going to be Blamed?
Who is going to be blamed when the Islamic radicals come to America and start riding our school buses with bombs under their coats? Who was blamed for 9/ll? Congress spent months trying to blame our Defense Department for not knowing that 9/11 was going to happen. Believe you me the liberals will want to blame President Bush and conservatives when America is hit. Liberals are fools to keep siding with radicals and encouraging the enemy in Iraq with such quotes as Harry Reed said today -"We have lost the war". Has America ever been a loser before? I am sure this pleases the insurgents and Islamic radicals to no end. I sometimes wonder if there are any rational people left in America.

While we watch American Idol
AP Friday, April 20, 2007 3:10 p.m. EDT

One-Third of Religious Visas Fraudulent

Homeland Security Department officials have discovered widespread fraud in a religious worker visa program that allows thousands of foreigners a year to enter the U.S. and remain here.
Last year, the officials found that 33 percent of the visas that investigators examined were granted based on fraudulent information, USA Today reports.
"We found that the program had been compromised and the fraud rate was excessively high," Emilio Gonzalez, head of Citizen and Immigration Services at Homeland Security, told USA Today.
The visa program was established in 1990 to allow churches, synagogues and mosques to hire qualified foreigners to fill open jobs. Applicants for a religious visa must have a sponsor in the U.S.
Now Homeland Security plans to implement new regulations in an effort to prevent radical groups from using the visa program to get terrorists into the U.S.
The regulations will allow inspectors and Customs officials to investigate religious organizations sponsoring applicants to assure that they are legitimate


Lynne
The GLOBAL War on Terror is about the only thing that Bush even come close to doing right.

Trying to share power with Democrats is futile.
If you try to share anything with a Democrat he wants his half and half of your half too.

Hal Donahue
Think peanut Farmer Carter... Get your facts straight before step in it again.

Visit


http://TheReligionofPeace.com

Then keep in mind, THEY outnumber US exponentially.

ZIONIST EVIL INFLUENCE IN AMERICA.
Henry Ford said this:

"If after having elected their man or group, obedience is not rendered to the Jewish control, then you speedily hear of "scandals" and "investigations" and "impeachments" for the removal of the disobedient. Usually a man with a "past" proves the most obedient instrument, but even a good man can often be tangled up in campaign practices that compromise him. It has been commonly known that Jewish manipulation of American election campaigns have been so skillfully handled, that no matter which candidate was elected, there was ready made a sufficient amount of evidence to discredit him in case his Jewish masters needed to discredit him." 33

Charles Lindbergh said this:

"Their greatest danger to this country lies in the Jewish ownership and influence in our motion pictures, our press, our radio, and our government." 34

Admiral Thomas Moorer, Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff under Ronald Reagan said this:

"I've never seen a President -- I don't care who he is -- stand up to them [the Israelis]. It just boggles the mind. They always get what they want. The Israelis know what is going on all the time. If the American people understood what a grip those people have got on our government, they would rise up in arms. Our citizens certainly don't have any idea what goes on." 35

While a guest on ABC's Face the Nation, William Fulbright - US Senator and Chairman of the US Foreign Relations committee - said this before a national television audience:

"Israel controls the United States Senate. We should be more concerned about the United States' interests." 36

Nationally syndicated columnist and former presidential candidate Patrick Buchanan said:

"The United States Congress is Israeli occupied territory." 37

And US religious leader Billy Graham and President Richard Nixon once had the following exchange, which was caught on tape:

GRAHAM: "The Jewish stranglehold on the media has got to be broken or this country's going down the drain".
NIXON: "You believe that?"
GRAHAM: "Yes, sir."
NIXON: "Oh boy. So do I. I can't ever say that but I do believe it" 38


Magnificus
Thank you for that link.

You should have warned us to leave a trail of bread crumbs.
I got lost.
I will go back later and learn more though.

Shrew
I do believe we sold them to Iraq, not Iran. that was to keep iran from becoming too strong.
We also sank there entire navy, and and destroyed several oil plateforms. Get your history straight, after Peanut Brain Carter let our embassy get taken, we were have been at odds with IRAN. Shrew you!!!

When talking isn't an option.

"Talk" is IMHO central to the reason the school massacres went so horribly wrong for the innocent victims. Police are not only "reluctant" to move aggressively in a hostage situation, they have been trained to NOT move aggressively!

After a perimeter is established, everyone prepares for the negotiations to begin because in yesterdays and even sometimes (though fewer & fewer times) in todays world, hostage takers WANT(ed) SOMETHING! A bagful of cash, transportation to the plane that will fly them to safety, etc.

In todays ugly world the 'gunmen' are depraved killers NOT hostage takers, not talkers. There is no thought of a peaceful ending once their plan is put into motion. The only demand ever made is on the survivors who are left to try to figure it all out.

The psychopath(s) seem to know that they will have time while the "hostage negotiator" makes his/her way to the scene. And in the recent spate of school shootings they know too that no one is armed. There is going to be plenty of time to both start & finish the bloodletting.

The leaders of Iran are working on the same premise, and they too have no intention of talking to the negotiator. President Iminajihad and the Ayotollahs will pull the nuclear trigger and, **POOF** there goes Tel Aviv while we're still waiting for them to either make a call and some demands or while we're hoping they pick up the phone on the call we initiated.

Just knowing students may be armed won't be enough to stop ALL of the would-be mass murderers who choose a school to wreak havoc upon but if one gets killed by an armed student while attempting to "top" the number of the last killer the next one may think twice or go to some other venue where he WILL have a chance to achieve a bigger kill ratio.

Again, the same can be said for International "relations". Possession of a nuclear arsenal IS NOT a deterrent against someone who knows you have no intention of using a bomb or two against them. The Iranians see our reluctance as a weakness, especially as they compare it to their willingness to do exactly what we won't do to achieve the desired end result.

Iranian Allies- Liberals
The Shrew .....what an idiot, The only thing that a liberal will go to war about is more entitlements. Iran will nuke Israel and the libs will say they asked for it, then they will nuke someone like jordan or Saudi Arabia and again they will say they deserve due to their alliance with the US. If we dont respond at that point Iran will find a way to nuke us....Then the libs will say why didnt we do something to stop it. Its Bush's fault he couldve stopped them.

Shrew
You

Lynne
I'll take a look at it, but you are aware, right, that the same types of websites exist on Jews.

Again, what I wanted to see was the ENTIRE text of what Ahmadenijad said, so we all could judge for ourselves, instead of just accepting what mass media tries to shove down our throats.

Lynne
Is it possible Alex Bladwin's kid might be a disturbed kid in six years. Did you hear tape of that wonderful Lib parent go ballistic on his kid???
Such a carring father, a takes a village. I sure hope Kim kepts him away from Alex.

sloo
The Shrew is a particularly EVIL Brit.
He cheers with glee whenever he hears of an American casualty.

He hangs out in a pub called The Shrew.
He has no respect for the Queen.
Get him to make disrespectful remarks about the Queen.
The Royal Navy will find that bar and clean it out good!

mema
Libs want to play the blame game, some of the lies, false statements, half truths they throw around are unbelieveable.
They lack common sense, they can't see the truth because the have their heads too deeply planted in there aZZ. That causes lack of oxygen to the brain which has the effect of killing their brain cells.

Only Truth
My last post includes you.

Shrew ---> I just can't help laughing.
Those exact same words once cause $7,030 to a bar in Tsing Tao China.

Only Truth
You and Dark messiah must be best buds. Blame the Jew for everything. Do you blame them for you being alive?? That last lie was a real winner, seven buses?? No speeches, come up with some facts with proof??

sloo
That little girl is really up the creek...
Remember it was her mother who put the tape into the public domain...the only thing on Bassingers mind was making Baldwin look bad (as if nobody knows he is an idiot)... as a mother she should have been thinking about making her daughter an object of ridicule (for the rest of her life).

I'm sorry those two split up, they seem to be perfect for and deserve each other.

Shrew
Ball

Ain't it just like a socialist to bemoan the fact he is being insulted by people he has been calling "facists"...

ROFLMAO

YOU are a moron!
And probably just jealous that Elizabeth II makes a better Queen than you do, no matter how hard you try.

BRB
?

Shrew
In Britain, you've several bombings, you have a serious muslim problem. I hope we won't bail out you guys on that side of the pond again.

Shrew

In Britain, you've had several bombings, you have a serious muslim problem. I hope we won't bail out you guys on that side of the pond again.

Magnificus
Too bad, that tape should have been given to her attorney. Your right, it should never have been made public. But, I've seen worse things happen in bitter divorces.

Shrew
Go back to Elder's Ap. 12 th Colunm, read it, then tell how nice they are. Not a single AZZ wipe Lib or you will dare comment on it..

KORAN= either you are a Muslim or you are a infidel. If you don't convert, you must die...
Real tolarent religion. Go Shrew yourself.

sloo
This is probably how he knows what goes on at Iaraeli checkpoints and why he knows so much about Muslims.
British Muslims like Shrew are really into this net thing.
http://www.globalpolitician.com/articleshow.asp?ID=2649&cid=3

Make you wonder why a woman in that condition would go to an Israeli checkpoint?

Shrew???
What with us stealing their resources????
They get paid very well for the oil. Nobody is stealing. If we didn't pay for it, that is stealing. Guess who is stapping bombs to there kids????
Get a brain, then use it..
Shrew you...

S
strapping

Just Once

I would like one of these Lefty armchair surrendering Generals who is already running up the white flag to reach the right conclusion about the war.

Just the actual rationale for the war maybe (which as a General they should recognize but they don't) or the overall strategy perhaps.

To have to explain it to them like children is tedious but necessary if you want them to stop throwing their tantrums.

A) Iraq was the logical and necessary next step. And now the only way out is a victory parade.

Reason: After Mohamar Quadaffi saw us go after Al Queda in Afghanistan he turned over his ENTIRE nuclear program. He felt there was a good chance SOMEONE was going to set off a nuclear device on US property somewhere in the world because he also knew A.Q.Khan had supplied more Arabs with the same nuclear plans he had been provided.

He certainly didn't want to blamed which would have carried a nuclear death sentence with it and his "cooperation" brought the whole Khan mess into sharper focus. All of the Muslim countries at least have a copy of the plans for how to build an operational bomb.

Sadam had been bragging for a long time about his desire to acquire and to a certain extent his "ownership" of WMD (the fact he had already used WMD on the Kurds made him twice as dangerous as anyone else). BUT without on the ground operatives (Bob Baer being the last one there and Clintons 'people' manufactured a reason to bring him home - read Baers 1st book, it is fascinating to say the least) we could only go by Sadams own words. Too bad for him we believed him.

More than just the possible WMD aspect of Sadams Iraq, strategicall putting our forces in Iraq surrounded Iran making them vulnerable to a pincer attack if we ever had to "go in" and take their WMD (the bombs they're working on as I type this) but we didn't expect a Shiite theocracy to ally itself with a Sunni dictatorship (Bashir Assad - Syria) putting us in the same "trap" we had constructed for Iran.

Now, we MUST WIN the conflict or else we are toast in the VERY near future. If the Left can't accept a Republican Presidents war victory as a victory for America and Americans as a whole, then there is something really wrong with their brains and, their idea of loyalty as well.

Old enough
to have been in...to be in....to honor those that have been or are in!

And
To cherish those who will one day be "IN"...

karennkc
Please take your head out your AZZ and read my Friday, April, 20, 2007 8:12 PM post.
YES IT IS A HOLY WAR, BUT NOT ONLY FOR THE JEWS...ALL OF WESTERN SOCIETY IS PART OF IT.

Lynne
"Craig C: diplomacy has never worked?

I don't think I said or implied "never." "

I didn't say you said that. I said that diplomacy never works unless as the result of military action or the threat of military action.
I'm still looking for a case of SUCCESSFUL diplomacy that was not produced in the way I claimed.




karennkc
Can you tell me...Why were the Palestinians in Beirut, Lebanon in the 1980s shelling the Christian Phalange neighborhoods?

As a Christian I try to follow the lessons in the Bible but my human instinct tells me that the Bible has never stopped an incoming round from an AK-47 or a cannon. It has yet to provide enough fresh air for anyone to survive a gas attack and it won't matter if it's in your hand, your back pocket or on your desk if a dirty bomb or worse goes off in your neighborhood.

So you may as well admit....someday you will need those Christian Soldiers to protect you from the Evil of the "other guys". Now get off that high horse and get down here in the mud with the rest of us or you'll find yourself on your own.


karennkc
WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY??? WE SHOULD BE THERE?? WELL WE ARE. YOU WANT OUR TROOPS HOME? SO DO I. YOU WANT THEM OUT NOW? I DISAGREE. OSAMA BL SAID WE DON'T HAVE THE WILL TO FIGHT A WAR AND TAKE CASUALTIES. WE PULL OUT TO SOON, WILL PROVE HIM RIGHT. THIS WILL CAUSE MORE PEOPLE TO JOIN ISLAMICFACISM.
YOU THEN POST BIBLE SCRIPTURES AND I ASK YOU TO READ AND COMMENT, THEN YOU GO BACK TO THIS.
PLEASEEEE TELL ME WHAT IS YOUR POINT??????

Criag C
I think you have solved the Iran nuke problem.
The old "GunBoat Diplomacy" always worked before.

We should bargain with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and offer to trade him his Navy & Airforce and two coastal cities in exchange for varified proof he was not making a nuke.

One time offer for one day only because tomorrow he will not have a Navy or Airforce.

MyOpine
GWB doesn't have the b..lls. I wish he would do something besides talking to them.

yes
yes

Lynne
You are all alone.
I just left!
See ya next time ya get this lucky!

Lynne
I guess i ran off karennkc

WOW
everytime I bring up the Koran, Nobody wants to reply, The truth will set you free.

Lynne
Magnificus made an excellent point, kim shouldn't have aired it.
But Alex is truly toilet scum.

I
I heard it early this morning(west coast), didn't listen to Rush or Hanity. But I'm sure one of them must have raked him over the coals.

Lynne
It's not the first time I've locked horns with Shrew. Opine say he or she is Muslim, must be, would respond tomy comment on the Koran, Same thing with Karennkc.

I
I don't mind too much commenting on Libs that make a valid point, I might even agree.
The problem is, almost 95 percent of the time,it's talking points or stuff that's soo far out, I can't beleive anyone would post it. They are constsntly trying to rewrite history, it's scary.

Sloo

Lately, because of the radicalness of the Left's extreme point of view I find it hard thinking of the Collective as being populated by Liberals at all.

The Liberal "segment" of the Democrat Party is practically non-existent. The moderates have either gone farther Left with what seems to be the more boistrous elements, or they are keeping their heads down lest their own devour them...kinda like what happened to Lieberman but with less class.

I'll agree though, there are a couple of Libs on TH...a couple who even know their stuff...but most of the opposition from the Left seem IMO nearly as unhinged as Alec Baldwin!

In fact, I may even start referring to the particularly 'over-stressed' Leftys as "BALDWIN" from now on.

I wonder whatever became of Kimbat? Remember her?

it seems is tilted more towards socialists or anarchists

Last Line corr.

It seems their party is tilted more towards socialists or anarchists lately.

Uh...back to the article
What struck me is that nowhere does Ollie suggest a military solution to the Iran threat. I suspect that as ex-military he recognizes the depressing reality that the missteps following the Iraq invasion have succeeding in eliminating the two primary threats to Iran's dominance of the region, Sadam Hussein, and the threat of a US attack.

It is not lack of b***s that prevents Bush from attacking Iraq, it is lack of troops, and more chilling, lack of intelligence. I don't know if posters here are aware, but due in part to the administration's non-communication policy with Iran we have no significant human intelligence there, contemporary estimates are around 175 sources. Our primary source there is in fact the IAEA, an agency the Iranians were able to deceive for 18 years.

While I disagree with North's first plan of action, his others, especially in regard to working with Iranian dissidents, have merit. The recent demonstrations against Achmadeenajab(?) show that there are very distinct fissure in the country that could be exploited.

Lynne
"Now, which post has "never" in it. Gee, I do believe it was YOUR post that implied that I'd said "never" which of course, I didn't. "

Correct. You just keep defending yourself for no reason. I did not say you said never. I am the one who has made that assertion.
And nobody has refuted what I said up to now.
Get off your high horse and understand that I am on your side.
However, I stand by what I said earlier. Diplomacy does not work without at least the threat of the military option.
And normally it ONLY works after the military has gone in and kicked tail.

It makes you look dumb
For continuing to defend yourself from something you thing I asserted, that what not what I did.

It makes you look dumb (edited)
For continuing to defend yourself from something you think I asserted, that's not the case.

craig
any thoughts on where we would get the resources to deal with Iran militarily?

craig...regarding Lynne
Lynne and I rarely ever agree, I'm a liberal after all, but he/she is anything but dumb.

you REALLY have to wonder
about a bunch of folks who take the word of the iranians over anyone. this peace at any price, isnt America ALWAYS the bad guy crowd make Me sick. I guess iran doesnt hang homosexuals, stone womem to death or slaughter their own in soccer fields or any other of the atrocities they commit daily either. I honestly dont believe you people are this stupid, just hate GW Bush and your own country enough not to care what the final costs are. islamists are killing christians all across africa, jews in israel, hindus in india, budhists in burma, zorastarians in iran and JCLDS in salt lake city ( not to mention their particular fondness for slaughtering one another if from a different sect). One must almost admire their nondemoninational tastes in death and destruction ( of course these traitors probably think that is all a "neocon plot" as well)

God help Us from the "useful idiots" loose in OUR own great nation


CBP

...the will of the masses is divided by far-reaching distortions and the mass mind is corrupted by a knowledge worse than ignorance because it is false.
Ely Culbertson


and the really sad thing
is the useful idiots believe ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that iran says, EXCEPT when they say that they will wipe israel off the map, and destroy the United States as well.
wake up folks
the clock is ticking

CBP


...the will of the masses is divided by far-reaching distortions and the mass mind is corrupted by a knowledge worse than ignorance because it is false.
Ely Culbertson

My Opine
Verified, not varified.

bryce
"Lynne and I rarely ever agree, I'm a liberal after all, but he/she is anything but dumb."

Please note I did not say she was dumb. I said her self defense mode against what I posted made he LOOK dumb. The distinction is quite clear.

bryce
Going into Iran with a major ground invasion is not necessary. A few well placed "bunker buster" nukes will take out their nuclear program and give the entire world a clear message that the US is tired of being threatened with destruction by a pipsqueak country.

What is P2OG?

"The board recommends creation of a super-Intelligence Support Activity, an organization it dubs the Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group, (P2OG), to bring together CIA and military covert action, information warfare, intelligence, and cover and deception.

Among other things, this body would launch secret operations aimed at "stimulating reactions" among terrorists and states possessing weapons of mass destruction -- that is, for instance, prodding terrorist cells into action and exposing themselves to "quick-response" attacks by U.S. forces.

Such tactics would hold "states/sub-state actors accountable" and "signal to harboring states that their sovereignty will be at risk," the briefing paper declares."
http://web.archive.org/web/20021031092436/http://www.latimes.com/la-op-arkin27oct27001451,0,7355676.story


"Responsibility and accountability for the P2OG would be vested in a "Special Operations Executive" in the National Security Council (NSC). The NSC would plan operations but not oversee their execution in order to avoid comparisons to past abuses, such as the Iran-Contra operations run out of the NSC by Oliver North during the Reagan administration. Under the board's proposal, NSC plans would be executed by the Pentagon or the CIA."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/DK05Ak02.html

bryce
Yes, by all means, let's look to 'ol Ollie for answers. Have you so quickly forgotten Iran-Contra and the small little thing about him building prison camps for Americans, in America?

And yes, I backed him strongly when the whole thing first came out. That is, until the truth started rearing its ugly head.

karenkc
Conservatives didn't use to feel that way and many still do not. As a conservative, I find it perplexing too, as we were the ones that didn't use to believe in a foreign policy of interventionism.

Magnficus
You have no further to look than the Republican Party if you want to find a whole bunch of socialist scum. These are the same people who are selling out our country to a bunch of globalist world government traitors; letting our borders be overrun by illegal aliens, while forcing states to give them every kind of handout imaginable; handing over their Constitutional duty of managing trade to the President with fast-track authority to push more NON-FREE trade agreements through that is totally wrecking our manufacturing base; bankrupting our country by inflating our currency, borrowing like drunken sailors to finance their unconstitutional spending.

All this, while they are building a prison planet for us, right here in our own country, complete with Homeland Security surveillance cameras on every corner, national id cards complete with biometrics and just biding their time until they can declare martial law with one of the many existing unconstitutional-as-hell Presidential Executive Orders.

So sit there and blame the Democrats for all the problems and God knows the vast majority of them are worthless, but the reality is, there's not a dime's bit of real difference between the direction of either party. They may "talk" differently, but their ACTIONS are much the same. Until we wake up to this fact and face reality, how are we going to get this whole thing turned around?

Craig C
Like everyone here, I frequently make spelling errors.
As all are well aware, they seem to be easier to spot after you post. I do not bother to correct them unless they change the intent of my post.
Everyone has already seen the error and like you, have guessed the intent before they would read a correction.

I hope I did not put you to too much trouble correcting my spelling error?

MyOpine
"I hope I did not put you to too much trouble correcting my spelling error?"

Glad to be of service.

Kerrenkc, the earth is the Lord's
and he has a right to give it to anyone he wills it to. He created it and the whole universe so thats settles it.


North credible?
Yea, I put my trust in a convicted criminal who lied to Congress.

Partiocularly one who makes statements he can't substantiate, or won't. Never mind the fact that the President of Iran isn't the head of Iran.

I'd be interested in knowing how many of you cons actually know the structural diagram of the rulership in Iran. Apparently North doesn't.

But what does truth matter, as long as he can drum up another war?
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