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Tuesday, May 13, 2008
Nina May :: Townhall.com Columnist
Are Black Americans Monolithic?
by Nina May
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Democrats want everyone to think that blacks are monolithic.

Take, for example, that little statistic of the voting habits of black Americans. It ranges anywhere from 90% to 96% of the vote going to the Democratic candidate, depending upon the race, the region of the country and the contest. One small detail is missing though . . . less than 30% of blacks even vote. So if you take 90% of 29%, you will get about 26% or about one quarter of the black population that actually votes for the Democratic candidate.

What about that other 74%? Why don’t they vote?

We discovered while filming our documentary, Emancipation Revelation Revolution, that the reason most blacks feel disenfranchised from the voting machinery is that they don’t feel comfortable with the Democratic platform and have been intimidated into believing that the Republican Party is the spawn of Satan. They reject, as a matter of conscience, most of the social positions the Democrats espouse. They have seen the figures and realize that 40% of all abortions are performed on black women and can see the finger of genocide pointing in their direction. At the same time, there is an erroneous belief that the Republican Party has been wrong on civil rights and lacks compassion.*

They have seen the devastation of the black family at the hand of the party that replaced personal responsibility with government handouts laced with immoral, impossible conditions. Conditions like forbidding the father of a woman’s child to live in the family if they are to receive welfare, or the restriction on returning to school if they are in the government system. They have seen the black family smeared in the Petri dish of social experimentation for several generations and realize the same monolithic mentality exists that identifies blacks as victims of society, dependent upon “the man” for their very existence. Sound familiar?

What is happening to those who are breaking out of this mindset, in the year of the “black candidate,” declaring that the color of Barack’s skin color is irrelevant because the content of his character is a bigger issue? The mainstream media doesn't want to focus on that, because if they did, they would be admitting that blacks are not monolithic, do not en masse support one party over another, and don’t all attend churches as divisive as Rev. Wrights.

The debate should be about whether someone who lacks judgment and attends a divisive church that pits one group of people against another is qualified to lead an entire nation, not whether Obama should have thrown Rev. Wright under the bus for political expediency.

What we are witnessing though, in this entire debate, is another example of the smugness of the liberal press and the ignorance of those who oppose the liberal media, because they always let them set the agenda in any debate. The assumption has been for years, that there really is only one black America with only two main spokesmen . . . Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. When Barack Obama broke through that glass ceiling erected by those who have a vested interest in maintaining the misperception that blacks can only achieve with government handouts and welfare policies, the powers-that-be had to restack the deck in order to maintain their position of power and influence over self-proclaimed leaders who have forfeited real authority for personal gratification and aggrandizement.

Obama was allowed to slip through the velvet ropes of low expectations because Hillary Clinton had already torn the doors off the presidential clubhouse and demanded her time at the helm. With the common denominator being lowered to the point that a woman with zero administrative experience, other than being married to a man that had some, could declare that she was suitable to serve as president, it now was easier for everyone to cross that threshold. Barack was whispered to be the only tool powerful enough to derail the queen from ascending to the thrown and was seen as a uniter of the party with a flawless resume that offended no one . . . except the liberal power base that expected all newcomers to make their bones before making such brash declarations.

But now that his campaign is unraveling with Rev. Wright permanently tattooed on his forehead, there has to be an easy explanation that will dismiss the reality of his extreme rhetoric, and the naiveté of Barack to continue learning at his knee all these years. The liberal . . . white media has to now spin the discussion away from extremism, and back toward the nuance of wisdom in order to keep their age old stereotype alive, that all blacks are the same, are a monolithic group of like-minded people who are so similar that almost 95% vote the same way.

The discussion that is not being aired is the divisions within not only the black communities on key issues, but within the churches as well. There are thousands of black churches across the nation who are appalled by the rantings of Rev. Wright and are very upset that the mainstream media has shrugged and suggested that this is the typical black church, and they have earned the right to hold such racist views because of past injustices. It is an easy way to keep the plantation of bitterness and victimization open for business. It is not in the best interest of liberals to set the captives free from anger and racist ideology, because once they are free, they speak and think for themselves, they realize the government has not made their lives easier, but placed impossible restrictions on their livelihood, their lifestyles, their hopes and dreams for a brighter tomorrow. The government welfare systems have robbed people of their dignity while refusing to give helpful alternatives to personal growth. And those who keep that machine running, keep it fed and churning out new welfare recipients are liberals who must have that vote to stay alive. They would literally shrivel up like a salt-pelted slug if that plantation ceased to exist.

So it is imperative that they convince white Americans that all blacks are helpless, angry, disenfranchised, bitter, victims of racism and they will never be able to accomplish anything without assistance. They even think they are helping Barack by suggesting that all black churches are like Rev. Wrights and this is what happens in black churches every Sunday, and it is fine that Barack has attended that church for 20 years. Who are we to say how and where someone should worship? Who are we, as oppressive, racist whites to condemn Rev. Wright and his church?

But what if the condemnation was coming from other black pastors . . . would that be different? It might be different, but you won’t hear it because the liberal media doesn’t want that voice to be heard. You won’t hear from Bishop Waymond Burton in North Carolina who is very upset with the McCain campaign for coming into his state and castigating an ad that tells the truth about Rev. Wright. You won’t hear from Rev. Bill Owen, Bishop Harry Jackson, Rev. Jesse Peterson, Rev. O’Neill Dozier, Bishop David Perrin, Mason Weaver, etc. etc., who all have churches or ministries that truly do teach the love of Christ, forgiveness, mercy and a need to unite and not divide. We don’t see or hear from brilliant black scholars like Shelby Steele, Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, and thousands of others who are quietly achieving and destroying stereotypes that have been erected by a class of elitists who must keep blacks forever in this victim class to maintain their political power and control.

I once had the opportunity to host the president of an African country in the U.S. and took him, with several others, to two black churches in DC. Many people asked why we were going to two since all black churches were the same. It was an odd statement that was repudiated at the end of the second service.

The first church we attended was a Rev. Wright type church, complete with racial vitriol, anger, intimidation and oppressive messages that served only to keep that slobbering spirit of racism fat and happy. It was a frightening experience, and other than the two secret service men assigned to the visiting president, there were only three of us who were white. We honestly did not think we would make it out of the church alive. The pastor, who ironically is a friend and had been at our home the night before for a reception, was going on and on about whites being the cause of all of their problems, that there didn’t need to be accountability for any actions because they could not be blamed for anything . . . only white men could because of blah blah blah. There was no love, there was no joy, mercy, forgiveness, impartation of empowerment or sense of purpose . . . there was no Jesus in this “Christian” church that sang the same hymns I grew up with in a Baptist church. The façade of Christianity was embarrassing and an affront to what the true teachings of Christ are all about.

We did not relish the thought of dragging ourselves to the second black church, certain we were going to, once again, be berated and condemned for lacking sufficient pigment in our skin. I was not sure my eardrums could handle another two hours of screaming and rhetorical abuse. But thankfully we went to the second black church only to be greeted with warm hugs, smiles of delight and colored-blind eyes that accepted us as members of the Body of Christ. You could feel the peace and love of the congregation that emanated from the gentleness and strength of their pastor. The presence of the Holy Spirit was palpable and by the end of the service, there was not a dry eye in the room, and even one of the secret service men had tears rolling down his face. What was intended to happen in the first church, but was met with anger and resentment, was accepted with gladness and humility in the second church. The visiting president had wanted to ask forgiveness from the first congregation for his country and his countrymen, selling the ancestors of these black Americans, into slavery. His attempt was heartfelt but was totally rebuked.

At the second church, he was reluctant to say the same thing, but felt compelled to get down on both knees and beg for forgiveness on behalf of his country for the way they had treated the ancestors of this group. Even though not one person in that room had ever sold a slave or been a slave, the spirit of racism, oppression and bondage is very real in people’s lives as though a reality occurred in the flesh. His offer of forgiveness was met with tears and the most amazing outpouring of love and mercy I have ever seen. We were all hugging each other, crying, laughing, loving . . . just experiencing the pure love of Christ in our midst. He told us it was worth his trip to America, just for that one moment.

But that is not the black church we see or hear about in the news. We keep seeing the angry clips looped over and over to give the very erroneous impression that all black churches are like Rev. Wrights and all black parishioners are like Barack Obama being fed this angry bile every single week, for years and years. This stereotype continues to divide the nation, feed the racism monster, and keep a political party in power.

That is why the focus is no longer whether or not Wright’s church is a typical black church or not. That discussion is irrelevant and wholly unacceptable. Besides, based on the liberal manipulation of the masses it would be almost impossible to believe otherwise. How different is Rev. Wright from Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Micheal Eric Dyson, Louis Farrakhan who all say the same things but just with their own personal twist to it. Where are the faces of Bishop Harry Jackson, or Bishop Burton who, as black men, will denounce this anti-Christian “Christianity” and the charlatans who are creating negative stereotypes of an entire class of people? Why aren’t these other voices of reason and wisdom allowed air time to show the American people that blacks don’t hate whites, or that to go to college and do well in school should not be considered “acting white.” Or to succeed as a conservative black in a “white man’s world” does not in anyway justify names like Uncle Sam, Aunt Jamima, Oreo cookie or other hateful pejoratives.

I don’t blame Rev. Wright for fanning the flames of racism, or Barack Obama for warming his political career on their embers. They are the real victims in this whole charade because they have bought the lies and distortions of the people who have historically oppressed them and their ancestors in one form or another . . . whether in physical chains, philosophical and cultural chains, or now the chains of victimization and validation of a lifestyle that does nothing but rob them of the true life of love and joy that God has destined them to have. If the scales fell off and they realized the man they should hate is the one who has robbed their dignity by categorizing all blacks as congregating in the same huddled, victimized masses, then they would stand up and say, no more. They would say, “We will not allow this blind prejudice to suck our souls from us” while the forces who have everything to gain, walk away laughing at these fools who fell for the biggest con in the world.

Blacks are no more monolithic than whites . . . or women, and to suggest it, to treat them as such is insulting, demeaning and . . . oh my gosh . . . really racist.

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Nina May is a producer/director who produced the award-winning documentary, Emancipation Revelation Revolution. She is a radio commentator and has produced and hosted her own TV show, American Renaissance.

Is that so?
"They have seen the figures and realize that 40% of all abortions are performed on black women and can see the finger of genocide pointing in their direction."

Well, if the finger of genocide is pointing at them, then it's their own finger. No one forces those black women to get abortions; they choose to get them.

Obama also used G—d-----

Ms. May, wonderful column! But the ending….no! I wish you hadn’t given Wright and Obama such a free pass. Wright has been preaching vitriolic messages to a large church for years. Obama wants to lead our nation. They have to take responsibility, full and complete.

It’s not only Wright who has used the term cursing America, G-- d---- America!
In Obama’s first book, Dreams From My Father, I was surprised the first time I read Obama had included g—d------ in his book. He uses it as an adjective whereas Wright used it as an action verb in the present tense. Wright called down God’s wrath on our country. Neverthless, in Obama’s book, there are at least a half dozen curses taking God’s name in vain, and I haven’t yet finished the book. Some are reported by Obama as others saying the word. One includes Obama’s take on being in Hawaii.

The book Dreams From My Father was published in 1995. Obama has told reporters he “went down the aisle” in 1988, seven years before this book’s first publication. I guess Wright didn’t preach the Ten Commandments.

Obama’s lack of wisdom due to lack of “the fear of the Lord” is clear in interviews about his version of Christianity. Twenty years after his conversion, Barack Obama disputes John 14:6 that Jesus is the only way to heaven, he doesn’t know if he’s going to heaven, and he doesn’t believe in eternal judgment. He has an ongoing discourse with himself, questioning himself, which he calls prayer.

He has voted it’s OK for a baby to be murdered as the baby is being born. Obama has promised to give homosexuals more rights than has any other president. Which means that if a Christian homeowner wants to rent out a room, the homeowner cannot decide against a homosexual due to disagreement with his lifestyle. And it also means that if a homosexual couple wants to be “married,” a small business owner cannot refuse to be hired, e.g., a photographer.

Obama also used G—d-----

Ms. May, wonderful column! But the ending….no! I wish you hadn’t given Wright and Obama such a free pass. Wright has been preaching vitriolic messages to a large church for years. Obama wants to lead our nation. They have to take responsibility, full and complete.

It’s not only Wright who has used the term cursing America, G-- d---- America!
In Obama’s first book, Dreams From My Father, I was surprised the first time I read Obama had included g—d------ in his book. He uses it as an adjective whereas Wright used it as an action verb in the present tense. Wright called down God’s wrath on our country. Neverthless, in Obama’s book, there are at least a half dozen curses taking God’s name in vain, and I haven’t yet finished the book. Some are reported by Obama as others saying the word. One includes Obama’s take on being in Hawaii.

The book Dreams From My Father was published in 1995. Obama has told reporters he “went down the aisle” in 1988, seven years before this book’s first publication. I guess Wright didn’t preach the Ten Commandments.

Obama’s lack of wisdom due to lack of “the fear of the Lord” is clear in interviews about his version of Christianity. Twenty years after his conversion, Barack Obama disputes John 14:6 that Jesus is the only way to heaven, he doesn’t know if he’s going to heaven, and he doesn’t believe in eternal judgment. He has an ongoing discourse with himself, questioning himself, which he calls prayer.

He has voted it’s OK for a baby to be murdered as the baby is being born. Obama has promised to give homosexuals more rights than has any other president. Which means that if a Christian homeowner wants to rent out a room, the homeowner cannot decide against a homosexual due to disagreement with his lifestyle. And it also means that if a homosexual couple wants to be “married,” a small business owner cannot refuse to be hired, e.g., a photographer.

We R Monolithic!
Yes Miss May, we will vote 95% Democratic because we just love our massa so! We've always loved our massa and still do, even when our massa didn't love us, we pondered why? Oh why? our massa done us wrong.
So let me sing now, Rev. Wright would'ja please lead us in and old kneegra spiritual if you please-SWING Looooooooooowwwwww........



P.S. My wife and her girlfriend were poking me in the head with their luv guns and I had a Premature Sarcasm!

We R Monolithic!
Yes Miss May, we will vote 95% Democratic because we just love our massa so! We've always loved our massa and still do, even when our massa didn't love us, we pondered why? Oh why? our massa done us wrong.
So let me sing now, Rev. Wright would'ja please lead us in and old kneegra spiritual if you please-SWING Looooooooooowwwwww........



P.S. My wife and her girlfriend were poking me in the head with their luv guns and I had a Premature Sarcasm!

Not worth the trouble
you give them way too much credit and analyze why the ones that don't vote way too much. They don't care and are too lazy and uninvolved in anything to vote. Are you insane? They don't work, they don't invest, they don't own homes, they don't participate in this democracy at any level. They just get by and that, most certainly, does not include the electoral process. Why do you think they're screaming about a small item like having to have a photo ID to vote? one more level to go through to vote..."no, too much trouble, what's in it for me?" are you kidding me? The Republicans should not spend 5 minutes or $5 on trying to get any black votes...they're not worth it and they're not going to get them...

Remember OJ?
Go back to the OJ Trial and you will see many blacks in silence during the trial, but upon his acquittal there were thunderous cheers across the nation. I remember in my home town seeing many blacks running into the streets dancing and cheering the verdict.

If Obama wins you will a more visible display celebrating from the black community. If he loses, be ready for riots especially if the media continues to make him out as the second coming and expecting victory.

But according to Nina May it will be whitey's fault!

BS, Nina!!


Oh if only ...
Black Americans would act non-monolithic. But the majority of them sit on the side lines, knowing full well the Democrats have a diseased program, and will not support Republicans. How do these people know the Democrats are wrong but accept the rhetoric that the Republicans mean to harm them? If they don't trust the Democrats why do they trust the Democrat hatred for Republicans?

My only conclusion about this article is if Black Americans are not monolithic then they are pathetic and don't deserve what they have.
ey have.

Unfortunately many are
monolithic. But Caped C you are only speaking of the Rev. you have heard about, Ms. May listed many others that don't get any press and let me add Tony Evans, Crawford Loritts,and Paul Sheppard. You don't hear about success stories about Dr. Ben Carson, the top pediatric neuro-surgeon in the country, who makes it known he made it without "help" from liberals. There are many of us who get ignored by the press who are very much against "help" from Democrats. There have been many of us who have long held that Democrats are the real racist. They don't believe we can achieve unless we have handouts from them, and they will give it as long as we keep our place.

Deacon, how do you figure I'm pathetic? You don't know me or the people I know. I put you with the Dems.

Pathetic definition ...
having a capacity to move one to either compassionate or contemptuous pity

If Black Americans are not monolithic and will not engage in changing what they know is wrong then yes they are pathetic.

If POLMsgt is engaged then obviously he is not pathetic. But his engagement does not speak to the many that can not or will not engage.

Spirit Crow Right On!
The verdict in the OJ trial was an injustice on a grand scale with a large portion of the black community shouting for joy! It was a day that brought home to me that race relations in this country are truly in a very bad state.

Why would anyone be glad that a double murderer got away with it? The level of distrust and anger of the black community as revealed in the reaction to the OJ verdict is truly a something that makes any rational person want to cry. Rev Wright and his congregation including Barak and Michelle have fed racial hatred in this country for over 20 years. To now say "I will unite us" is pure lunacy.

Barak's new pastor, Otis Moss III, at TUCC made it very clear in his first sermon as head pastor where his racist church stands. He called the press stories about Rev Wright a high tech lynching. Black Liberation Theology teaches that a black Jesus was a victim of a racist lynching when he was crucified. If you are a regular at TUCC you easily made the connection Moss was making between the trials of Christ and Rev Wright. The level of victimhood being preached at TUCC is breathtaking!

"America is a vicious, racist, white dominated nation that can only begin to be redeemed by the messiah Barak." This might be Michelle's vision of America but it will never be mine!

Visting Trinity UCC
http://www.kpcnews.com/articles/2008/04/15/features/columni sts/grace_housholder/doc4804b5ce18ccb609747851.txt

Was, perhaps, the subject of that morning’s sermon prompted by the “heat” the church is taking?

The Rev. Otis Moss III based his 11 a.m. sermon on Matthew 26: 39-42, the hours when Jesus prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from me; yet not what I want but what you want.”

But the sermon didn’t begin until 90 minutes into the three-hour service. First there was music, powerful music led by a choir numbering nearly 200 and accompanied by nine musicians. The church was completely full. We chose to sit in the balcony, and I occasionally felt the balcony sway as we clapped and moved with the rhythm.

We had several opportunities to greet the people around us and to hold hands during lengthy prayers, prayers which included the listing of the names and ages of about a dozen youth — ages 10-18 who had been killed recently. But most of the time prior to the sermon was spent singing songs of praise very similar to songs I have sung in Lutheran contemporary worship services here in northeast Indiana.

From the moment we set foot in the church we felt comfortable, welcomed and appreciated. We were immediately asked to sign a guest register. People continuously came up to us and said they were glad we were there. When the Rev. Moss introduced that morning’s guests we saw that almost every other white face belonged to about two dozen visitors from Episcopal, Presbyterian and “New Sweden” churches and a confirmation class from another United Church of Christ.

Wonderful Christian fellowship

In his sermon, the Rev. Moss emphasized the power and peace that come through prayer — prayer that recognizes it is God’s will that must be done, not our will. He emphasized God’s promises that he will use trials and tribulations to make us stronger if we place our trust in him.

Blacks that prey.
There is no place in the world, as in planet earth, that blacks live where they are not violent and harbor a criminal class. No matter where they live, their offspring preys on people. Excuses are made for them, people get paid big bucks for making the convoluted excuses, nothing changes, and the violence grows.

Where blacks reach a critical mass in a community, app. 10 to 20 percent, white people start moving out knowing that they'll soon become victims of crime and violence by blacks. When they reach 60-70 percent of the population, blacks start relocating as well only to start the process again.

One would expect gratitude for living in one of the few safe places in the world that provides freedom to build a life, government handouts, preferences in hiring and schools, free food and unearned income, but such is not forthcoming from the majority of blacks. Instead, there is chronic whining, and adolescent complaints and demands for more.

This isn't racist, it's reality.

Don writes
"...The Republicans should not spend 5 minutes or $5 on trying to get any black votes...they're not worth it and they're not going to get them... ".

You, sir, are a disgrace to the Republican party and to the basic decency of all mankind! It is exactly your ignorant, haughty, and arrogant attitude that continues to damage any success that the Republican party may have achieved within the black community. How could you ever expect to attract anyone's support when you insult them with the stupid comments found in your post?

The other Don!
Don C
Sgt/USMC
1971 - 75

Are Black Americans Monolithic?
POLMsgt:

No doubt the 4% African Americans who think as you and I are out there but they are are small minority and subjected to the most vile insults from their "mainstrem leaders" that they will never have their voices heard -- a true tragedy for these people are the true leaders capable of leaders their people from poverty, ignorance and subjugation.

But 96% is monolithic as far as I am concerned!

Visiting Trinity UCC
http://marty-center.uchicago.edu/sightings/archive_2007/040 2.shtml

So Trinity is "Africentric," and deals internationally and ecumenically with the heritage of "black is beautiful." Despite what one sometimes hears, Wright and his parishioners — an 8,000-member mingling of everyone from the disadvantaged to the middle class, and not a few shakers and movers in Chicago — are "keepin' the faith." To those in range of Chicago TV I'd recommend a watching of Trinity's Sunday services, and challenge you to find anything "cultic" or "sectarian" about them. More important, for Trinity, being "unashamedly black" does not mean being "anti-white." My wife and I on occasion attend, and, like all other non-blacks, are enthusiastically welcomed.

Heretical? Hardly. Harriet and I sometimes come home reflecting and remarking that Wright sounds almost literalist about biblical texts when he preaches. The large-print texts are before the worshipers, and Wright, taking up the Gospel message line by line, applies it to personal, cultural, social, and political life. He turns much focus on the family. Of course, he can be abrasive. Why? Think of the concept of "unashamedly": tucked into it is the word "shame." Wright and his fellow leaders have diagnosed "shame," "being shamed," and "being ashamed" as debilitating legacies of slavery and segregation in society and church.

Trinity reorients. Wright and company have had tussles with more traditional members and, at times, some in the UCC. I've known "Jerry" Wright since his student days, have often agreed and disagreed with him, and have found him never to be a preacher of peace when there is no peace — but "walkin' the talk" for him is also a message of peace.
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Note: Services are also broadcast via streaming video on the web.

Black Americans are scared and rightly..
Monolithic, singularly minded, formed or grouped. A singular stone estrudgement of interest.
Most Black Americans I know and speak with are fearful of their community. They move out of the Ghetteos and into a good neighborhood only to be followed by those they fled, why? Because trash whites with big paychecks sell out and move, good thing and bad. The sell to black AFRICAN-american trash.
AFRICAN-americansare the trash of the Black community and the largest voice. They are loud, their clothes are loud, their music is loud and they want you to know it and fear it.
They mix in with the good and distroy neighborhoods. Bring drugs, sex and gamblimng with them. Robberies and death.
& out of 10 violent crimes are committed by AFRICAN-americans. That is 70% of 26% = 18.2% of AFRICAN-americans will commit a crime, and it will be violent.

Visting Trinity UCC
http://inlieuofspeech.blogspot.com/2008/05/visit-to-trinity -ucc-church.html

Yesterday's trip to Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago was quite wonderful. Fourteen of us went, many from Congregation Sha'arei Shamayim (CSS), the Reconstructionist Jewish congregation of which I am a member. (The bus driver and his wife also joined us. They didn't even realize that it was Obama's/Wright's church until they were inside--and they really liked the service.)
....
We were warmly greeted by the church, and our presence was noted from the pulpit. The service itself was incredible, ...

Rev. Otis Moss, James Wright's successor as pastor, led the service and gave the sermon. He's an amazing orator, and the organist accompanied him with little riffs as he built, again and again, to a peak of excitement and exhortation.

At one level, the service could be seen as purely religious, though clearly that strain of Christianity that emphasizes Jesus's compassion for the poor and unfortunate and insists that we emulate it. At another level, there were clear (to me, anyway) though implicit references to current political events. For example, a responsive reading reiterated the statement, "Divine love does not ask family to choose between family members." The minister was explicit about the inclusive nature of this statement: "Beloved, we love W.E.B. DuBois and Booker T. Washington. We love Marcus Garvey and Ida B. Wells. We love A. Philip Randolph and Bayard Rustin. We love Ella Baker and Angela Davis. We love Martin Luther King, Jr. and Stokely Carmichael." And a little later in the litany: "Beloved, we love Ishmael aned Isaac. We love Jacob and Esau. We love Moses and Aaron." He never said "We love Rev. Wright and Barack Obama," but the importance of not choosing between even these "family members" driven apart by politics and media was clear.

Caped Crusader
PUT A SOCK IN IT WILL YA.

William Smyth
"More important, for Trinity, being "unashamedly black" does not mean being "anti-white.""

Sorry, but I don't buy that. If a church called itself "unashamedly white", it would automatically be branded as racist. Why shouldn't the same standard apply to a church that's "unashamedly black"?

Smyth are you for real
Walkin the talk is not a message of peace it is all about black victims of an unjust white society. For more black liberation theology go to THE BLACK VALUE SYSTEM which was prominently featured on the TUCC website until about 2 weeks ago.

TUCC's black value system teaches its' black congregation that the white dominated US is "killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that encourages them to kill off one another. Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons." If one takes this at face value black youths are being killed and jailed through no fault of their own but are nothing but victims of an unjust white government. Basically it tell blacks you are not and cannot be responsible for your lot in life. Like the unreverand Jerry says Louie Farrakhan did not put him in chains but ole whitey did.


This is pure unadulterated hate based on race. Please don't take a wizz on me and tell me its raining by saying Rev Wright is "walkin the talk"!

This BS must sell very well in parts of the black ghetto as seen by Rev Wright's multi million dollar mansion in a lilly white gated community. The man is nothing but a racist charlatan! Even Hitler had a couple of good points like the autobahn and Volkswagen so don't point to Wright's so called great sermons.

Judge them by their actions.
Perhaps you could judge them by there actions which are not anti-white. The slogan is not meant to denigrate whites.

Mr. Smythe: Really?
"we love W.E.B. DuBois and Booker T. Washington. We love Marcus Garvey and Ida B. Wells. We love A. Philip Randolph and Bayard Rustin. We love Ella Baker and Angela Davis. We love Martin Luther King, Jr. and Stokely Carmichael."

OK. If I accept the "logic" of said statements, I can draw the following "white" analogy:

We love FDR and Adolf Hilter. We love Harry Truman & Joseph Stalin, etc.

Please give me a break if place any value in such mental masterb*ation. Oh, I'm sorry- they're all the same COLOR.

Praise God for giving you another day.
A reoccurring theme at Trinity is praising God for giving you another day to get you act together. They don't preach or practice victimhood. Many of the programs at Trinity are focused on helping you to overcome whatever vice or condition is holding you back.

The following is how a recent visitor expressed it.

http://inlieuofspeech.blogspot.com/2008/05/visit-to-trinity -ucc-church.html

The second main theme of the sermon, picking up on Jesus's forgiveness, wiping the slate clean, was that we, too, should forgive past sins and look to the present and the future. Again, Rev. Moss focused the congregation's attention on black youth, suggesting that what should matter is what a young person is doing now, and what he or she will do in the future, not his or her past grades, or drug use, or misbehavior. He pointed out that even Richard Nixon was spared certain punishment by Rosemary Woods' judicious use of the "delete" button, and noted that "God does not want a resume of yesterday; doesn't care about the stereotype people have of you.... Jesus doesn't see every negative thing.... If God doesn't look back, why should we?" So use that delete button!

To Don C (the second one)
The first Don was right on the money. It's immoral to take from others and give to those who have no problem taking from the productive. As well, endless handouts all but guarantees continued misery. You get more of that which you finance. Gubmint "love" has all but killed the black family.

The current welfare system should also be abolished to include payments for illegitmate children. Close down the plantation.

I never take part in or support systems that hurt people. How about you?

William Smyth
"The second main theme of the sermon, picking up on Jesus's forgiveness, wiping the slate clean, was that we, too, should forgive past sins and look to the present and the future."

Jeremiah Wright doesn't seem to be much in favor of forgiveness.

That 74% ....
is it possible that they are just as lazy about voting as most whites these days? I go for the lazy excuse over the opinion that these folks are just so frustrated...give me a break.

farming it out
“…destroying stereotypes that have been erected by a class of elitists who must keep blacks forever in this victim class to maintain their [own] political power and control.”

It seems strange that all this debate and exposure of Wright has done is further emphasize the ripe old message that victimization is what religion and politics are all about. We’ve seen little indication of another message from either. And the much-touted educated, elite liberals who back Obama see nothing wrong with it. But if you transpose that message over Obama’s wider theme about a new politic, it does not fit so well. In fact, within Barack's wider theme, much of it is contradicted by his campaign strategy and actions to date. But that does not matter. In that light it is helpful to see Wright and Obama together. There are a lot of parallels.

Yes, whatever we have seen is not the black church we see or hear about in the news. Other comments here allude to a symptom: that it is a polpular message, and that it spawned a church this large is validation of the message itself. It is sad. Bill Moyers said recently that he is affiliated with the same church (denomination) but not with Wright. And that shows there are other tangents of this same type phenomenon.

Monolithic? Yes
Every now and then you see a black conservative. Like finding a hen with a tooth.

Blacks have voted in the low 90% in every election since WWII. They are monolithically racist. So Democrats, to get their vote, have determined anti-white racism is acceptible.

No more. Take your racist monolith and shove it. Its time for all Americans of good will to punish these racist Democrats.

this is laughable
once again the arrogance of some conservatives comes through.

the main reason blacks don't vote for republicans according to some posters is

1)they are stupid and have been manipulated by those evil democrats.
2) they are just to lazy to vote.

3) they are so happy on welfare they don't want to let republicans really help them.

now if you were a salesman for a product and used these types of arguments you would never make a sale.

the author of this article is the most uninformed person i have seen on townhall.


christianity today on rev. wright
Jeremiah Wright goes to church looking for Jesus. And that's why evangelicals should pay attention to him. This is not to say they should agree with him. But Jeremiah Wright is a serious Christian.


http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2008/mayweb-only/119-31 .0.html?start=1

What about the over 90%
currently voting as a block in recent primaries?

loco
and what about the 80% jewish vote for democrats.

blacks also voted for al gore by 92%.

fundamentalist christians vote 98% for republicans .

so what is your point.







religiouslib
Millions of blacks believe in black race hustlers like the faux-reverend Wright.

Because they'll applaud that nutjob's amazingly crazy statements, any negative assumption about black reasoning and intelligence will most likely be accurate.

Brick-thick monolithic
I live in a community which is 60-40% black-white . It is overwhelmingly a Democratic conclave. In wards that are 70% black, there are no white candidates- they need not apply; the last time (several years ago) an almost overqualified white candidate ran against a black candidate just released from jail (for malfeasance in office). The white candidate got less than 6% of the vote; blacks cheered the victory as "sticking it to the man." In nearly balanced wards, a qualified black candidate still gets all the black vote and, on average, 20% of the white vote. This explains a stream of black officeholders going to prison after several terms of believing themselves above the law and a government which functions only as a spoils system.

Religiouslib
You have made my point!!!!

religiouslib

. . . fundamentalist christians vote 98% for republicans .

so what is your point.

Point is, that was a stupid comparison. Fundamentalist Christians make up maybe one-tenth of whites; unlike blacks, whites vote across the political spectrum.

Bring on David Duke 4 president...
The way ABC, CBS, NBC, Public television, Larry King, CNN, CNBC, MSNBC, NY Times, LA Times, Washington Post, Atlanta Journal Constitution and virtually every large metropolitan newspaper suck up Barack Hussein Obama, overlook his racist statements in his books and not write or mention nary a word about his political agenda for a Marxist government....

In Obama's books he tells America he doesn't like his white blood, he prefers only his black heritage, looks up only to black leaders... and when times get really ugly with Islam he'll stand with the Muslims! Check out his books at the library... don't put money in his pocket by buying them... Therefore...

David Duke (he was the white-power guy about 25 yrs ago) should have run for president this year. It was reported Duke was a fiscal conservative, believed in the constitution, was opposed to Marxism, was a Christian and sure as there's hell-fire, David Duke would never have this country siding with Muslims or provide for 20 million illegal Mexican illegal aliens that have invaded our country.

Had David Duke run for president this year, 'ya think the main-stream media, I mentioned above, would smear him as a racist, or give him a pass like they have with Obama... the dude who's ashamed of his white mother and white grandparents who raised him?

What we have here are two racists. A black and a white. Barack Hussein Obama and David Duke. The media worships at the alter of Obama.... while I'll bet the North 40 acres the very same media would demand David Duke be scourged with the whip and executed via public crucifixion on a cross in front of the U.S. Supreme Court building and televised from coast to coast via ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, etc!

What do 'ya think?

Sgt. Relic
Read the article a bit closer and you will see why May says that blacks are not monolithic. You are looking at the 96% of voters that vote Democratic, but you are ignoring the fact that only about 30% of ALL blacks vote; 74% of blacks are not voting, so the Democrats are only getting about 25% of the total available black vote in elections. That is not by any objective standar monolithic, and is a much smaller number than is usually reported...but 96% sounds so mch better than 25% and it gives the impression that nearly ALL blacks are voting for Democrats.

RA
What exactly are you ranting about? How in the world have blacks been voting in the low 90s since WW2, when most blacks in the South were prohibited from voting into the 1960s? As for the claim that blacks are uniformly racist, where does that foolishness come from? If we are going to start taking the actions of the few and applying them to the many, that would make those that feel that whites are uniformly racist correct since blacks never enacted a Slave Code, a Black Code, or a Jim Crow law anywhere in this country...but white folks HAVE! So you tell me, is it okay for me to smear every white person as a racist because of the existence of the KKK, Neo-Nazis, and Citizen's Councils?

for the pro from dover
The pro from dover writes: "There is no place in the world, as in planet earth, that blacks live where they are not violent and harbor a criminal class. No matter where they live, their offspring preys on people"

With attitudes like yours, no wonder blacks won't consider voting for conservatives. Why should black people vote for a political movement which includes folks who claim that black people are "violent" and "prey on people" all over the world?

Back in the 1950s, a young William F. Buckley and his brand-new magazine National Review worked very hard to clean up conservatism, get rid of the racists and the anti-Semites.

Buckley passed away recently, and now I see an increasing number of bigots are coming out of the woodwork and insisting on being part of the conservative movement.

Time for another house-cleaning soon.


for religiouslib
religiouslib writes: "the main reason blacks don't vote for republicans according to some posters is"

Here's the problem as I see it:

Every other minority group largely worked its way up on its own. But blacks faced LEGAL, de jure slavery; and even after they won their freedom, they still faced LEGAL, de jure segregation. We didn't have "Nuremberg laws" against Jews in this country--but the South had such laws against blacks.

To overcome those legal barriers required Federal action--from Lincoln freeing the slaves, to Federal troops enforcing integrated schools, to the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act. Most recently, many blacks have benefited from affirmative action programs.

Whereas conservatives tend to be suspicious of Federal social engineering.

Back in the 1950s, National Review took the position that Southern states had the right to enforce segregated schools and businesses, free from Federal interference. It wasn't because National Review was racist. It was just because National Review was philosophically opposed to Federal meddling in states. But the result is the same: That would have left blacks in the South as second-class citizens.

Flagwaver
Where do you stand on the issue of BET, the NAACP, set-asides and affirmative action for blacks (which they gobble up, except for a few who recognize that it only undermines their credibility)? Not to mention black-only hairdressers (white hairdressers can't cut black hair?). Get over the slavery issue already--there is not a person alive today who was a slave, or, probably, whose parent was a slave. And why is MLK so revered? He was a violent womanizer who would have undoubtedly met a violent end in any case. How long do whites have to tolerate mandatory guilt from welfare loafers who haven't the class to feel embarrassed?

Time's up--you got a presidential candidate, your oppression is over. Bought the tee-shirt. Back to school.


Colleen
If you want to see where I stand on ahost of issues visit my blog. I have plenty of posts there that will explain very well my positions.

But your reply to my previous posts tells me a great deal about you. You learned that I was black and immediately fell back on yur preconcieved notions of who an what blacks are. Your "questions" presuppose that I am some doctrinaire liberal, simply because I happen to be black, when nothing could be further from the truth. And where did I mention slavery, MLK, or black barbershops? Your racial animus is shining through loud and clear with your statements about "welfare loafers" who lack the class to be embarrassed.

But since you asked, let me tell you where I stand on several of the issues you bring up. On BET, other than the constant stream of near pornography conatined in the music vidoes it shows, I have no problem with the existence of BET. BET was born of Robert Johnson's entrepreneurial spirit at a time when MTV had a corporate policy of not showing any music videos by black artists, even Michael Jackson who was the biggest musical act in the world at that time. He saw an unserved market and made a move to fill that void. That is smart business, especially seeing the fortune he made as owner of BET, and the fortune he made by selling it to Viacom.

Colleen (2)
On the subject of the NAACP, while I do not agree with their politics, I do respect the rich history of the group and I honor their accomplishments. The vast majority of the legal cases that attacked segregation were launched and financed by the NAACP, and the NAACP was always at the forefront of the civil rights struggle from Montgomery in 1955 to Birmingham in 1963. They have drifted leftward since, but they are still a rather strong voice in the Democratic apparatus and they don't have to disband just because you don't happen to like them.

As for affirmative action, I believe that it has outlived its usefulness, but I do understand the original thinking behind the idea. After nearly a century of substandard education, especially in the South, blacks were not going to suddenly find themselves equipped to compete on the famed "level playing field" against those who had a huge educational advantage. At this point in history there is no longer any need for racial set asides and preferences, as they only serve to do two things: inflame those who are not part of the set asides and to diminish the accomplishments of those who benefit from them.

As for "black only hairdressers", what is your exact beef here? I would assume that these places are independently owned small businesses, so if the owner only wants to hire other blacks, so be it. No one said that whites can't cut black folks hair, but if you knew anything about history you would know why black hairdressers and barbershops sprouted up. They were necessary because Jim Crow did not allow blacks to service whites in the South (and vice versa) and in many Northern locales the same attitudes held sway. So again, blacks stepped in to meet the needs of their communites...and again, just because you don't like it doesn't mean they aren't allowed to exist.

Colleen (3)
As for Martin Luther King, he is so revered because of his accomplishments in the struggle for civil rights. We all know of his personal failings, we know all about his adultery, but that does not mean that his work on the civil rights front is not worthy of praise. He put his safety and security, his very life on the line to lead the struggle to have the civil rights of all blacks respected by the governments that had authority over them. It was not easy to stand in the face of a national government that was at best apathetic to the struggles of black Americans, and in the face of local governments whose attitudes and actions were downright murderous towards blacks who deigned to express their longing to have their Constitutionally guaranteed rights respected. He stood up and faced these forces down, without ever resorting to violence, and his leadership in the movement was instrumental in keeping a lid on the more militant tendencies of groups like SNCC and the Black Panther Party that in many ways grew out of SNCC. For all of his shortcomings personally, his fearless and courageous leadership in the civil rights movement is what makes him so revered not just among blacks, but among Americans of all racial/ethnic backgrounds.

As for your contention that he "would have undoubtedly met a violent end", that is a matter of your personal opinion and is pure conjecture. You know no more the manner King would have died had James Earl Ray not murdered him than I know how Newt Gingrich will someday meet his end.

Finally Colleen
I don't have a presidential candidate, since Obama is a Democrat I am not. But I suppose in your little cocoon of racial stereotyping, since I am black and he's black, he must be my candidate right? So i suppose I could say that since Hillary is still running and is a white woman, that you have YOUR candidate, right? I mean, all women (especially white women) have to be supporting Hillary, since all women think alike, right? Am I not correct in assuming that, since you feel so free to assume things about me since I am black, and all blacks are the same right?

Do you truly understand now how stupid, myopic, moronic, and essentially racist your post to me was? Do you understand how attitudes like yours are the reason that the conservatism and the GOP are so easily mischaracterized as racist?

It never cease to amaze me to find how many "conservatives" really don't care about core conservative principles if the people actually living up to them don't share the same political views. If you cared about the idea that people are free to make their own fortunes by their own hard work, you would be supportive of BET. Bob Johnson made himself the multimillionaire that he is by seeing an opportunity to get into the television business and filling a void in programming that the big boys didn't WANT to fill. And if you cared about people being able to gather and lobby the government on behalf of a constitutency, you would accept the right of the NAACP to do just that...even if you don't share their political viewpoint.

But instead, you are the living stereotype of the conservative that liberals love to throw around: hostile towards blacks and minorities at best, and a closet racist at worst.

stevel
very good synopsis.

the problem as i see today is that some conservatives have concluded that the playing field has been leveled.

now there has been much progress but racism is still a problem.

there was a story yesterday of a bunch of memos (which i can reproduce if you want) between secret service members that are blatant racist jokes.

in other words as a nation legally we have ended racism but it is still there underneath the surface.

some conservatives get angry that blacks still claim racism and that in turn makes blacks mistrust the republican party.

on a mission with my church i spent time in mississippi in the early 70's working with black churches.

2 things stood out.

there were still black and white public drinking fountains and such and if you didn't follow the rules you would get arrested.

in every black home i entered there were 3 pictures.
Jesus Christ
Martin Luther King
and John F. Kennedy.

i know some conservatives maintain that the republican party was the keeper of the flame for civil rights but no matter how it happened JFK and the democrat brand became dominant.

flagwaver
your posts reek of truth and rationality.

i applaud your patience and your ability to articulate your point of view.


no we are not monolithic
no more than anyone else. whether its a dem or rep!!! some of us do know how to vote on the issues. stop the stereo-typing. i did not vote for "w" other than the reason i felt he was the better candidate, since kerry would not defend himself. there are just as many lazy, non-productive whites as there are any poor persons in this country. would any of you want to trade places with a black person, just so you can see the world through their eyes. why won't you believe it is sometimes institutional that some of us get left out. blacks have never been an enemy to this country and most of the times have been even the chances to assimulate. as soon as one of us move in, no matter the status, the for sale signs go up. there will be no rioting that i know of if mr. obama does not get elected. i just see it as a great opportunity that he was able to live the great dream of this country and any other individual who works hard and can articulate ideas. should we have elected "w". he has not been able to string 3 words together without stumbling over his tongue. the whole world sees him as an absolute buffoon. as far as repubs being seen as racists, someone in that party certainly was able to get that point across to those of color. i happen to be from ky and was always very proud to be from the state that the greatest republican was from and still am. the repubs have written us off. we did not write the repubs off. the war on poverty was not designed for those of color originally. it was designed for those in the hills of appalacia, and tenn, and elsewhere. a lot of people of color feel that this country would rather have their enemies here than recognize the contributions that we have made and continue to make for this great land of ours. i am catholic,a repub, retired military, have three degrees, know how to vote on the issues. not all of are monolithic.
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