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Friday, October 19, 2007
Mona Charen :: Townhall.com Columnist
About that Muslim Letter to the Pope
by Mona Charen
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With a good deal of fanfare, a group of 138 Muslim clerics from around the globe released a statement to Christian leaders earlier this month calling for peace and understanding between the two religions. American and other Western newspapers and media lapped it up. "Muslim Leaders Reach Out to Christians" announced the Los Angeles Times. "Muslim Leaders Send Peace Message" headlined Time magazine.

Addressed to Pope Benedict XVI and a long list of metropolitans, patriarchs and archbishops, the letter literally cites chapter and verse in the Bible as well as the Koran spelling out the duty of believers to love God and one another. If "Muslims and Christians are not at peace," the clerics write, "the world cannot be at peace."

There is more -- much more -- along these lines. The missive closes with this peroration: "Let us vie with each other only in righteousness and good works. Let us respect each other, be fair, just and kind to one another and live in sincere peace, harmony and mutual goodwill."

Fine words. Professor John Esposito, director of the Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding at Georgetown University (and the foremost American apologist for Muslim extremism), presented the letter to the American audience as "an historic event."

So what do we have here? The statement is chock-full of Biblical and Koranic injunctions to love one's neighbor and to pursue righteousness. And yes, it would be a lovely world if people could simply apply those dictates to their daily lives and abjure hatred, violence and sin. Arguably, millions do. But all of that skirts the elephant in the room. You can read through this entire letter and never learn that there are Muslims all over the world currently interpreting their faith as a license to slaughter innocent human beings (very much including fellow Muslims). Moreover, the overall thrust of the document suggests that misunderstanding between Muslims and Christians (rather than problematic interpretations of Islam) is what threatens world peace.

The clerics write: "As Muslims, we say to Christians that we are not against them and that Islam is not against them -- so long as they do not wage war against Muslims on account of their religion, oppress them and drive them out of their homes." Where in the world are Christians waging war against Muslims on account of their religion, or driving them out of their homes and oppressing them? Clearly Americans have fought against some Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq -- but we have just as clearly fought alongside other Muslims. Nor do we fight Muslims "on account of their religion." This is al Qaeda talk. Their propaganda videos preach a perverted version of reality in which Islam is under siege around the world.

By contrast, Christians living in Muslim societies have in fact suffered on account of their faith. In just the past couple of years Rami Ayyad, owner of a Christian bookstore in the Gaza Strip, was abducted, tortured and killed by Islamists. Two Palestinian Christian women were shot to death by the semi-official al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade for failing to wear the Islamic headscarf.

In Bethlehem, Jesus' birthplace, Christians feel under siege from the increasingly Islamist Palestinian majority. Samir Qumsieh, owner of a Christian TV station, told the Jerusalem Post of beatings, theft and intimidation. "When I see what's happening to Christians here, I worry a lot for our future," he said. "They are targeting Christians, because we are seen as weak."

Christian churches have been firebombed in Pakistan. In Afghanistan, a Muslim who converted to Christianity was sentenced to death. In Egypt, the Copts face continuing persecution. And of course, in Sudan, a Muslim government has carried out a campaign of ethnic cleansing against the Christian minority.

What do we make of Bosnia then? Good question. The nominally Christian Serbs did carry out an ethnic cleansing atrocity on the Bosnian Muslims. And guess who stepped in to stop it? A consortium of Western democracies. Where was the corresponding Muslim alliance to save the Christians of Sudan?

If the Muslim clerics are sincere in wishing for peace and understanding, they should issue a document that denounces Islamists; that rejects their violent interpretation of jihad; that affirms the human dignity of non-Muslims; and that condemns Osama bin Laden, Aymin al-Zawahiri and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad by name. That would be historic. This letter is worse than a bromide, it's a dodge.

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I wouldn't be surprised if the real reason bin Laden attacked us on 9-11 is precisely because he was ashamed of the fact that it was been Christian nations who have supported Moslems against non-Mslems in the former Yugoslavia and in Afghanistan after the USSR invaded it. Further, it was the US that protected Kuwait from the secular state of Iraq. And where were the Moslem countries? Moslems owe the US a great debt, but the problem with owing someone a great debt is that you end up disliking the one you owe (who here loves their credit card companies?).

Muslim letter
This letter is trying to place blame for the worlds conflicts on Christians instead of Muslims. The facts are its the Muslims that are the ones persecuting the Christians where ever they happen to meet. Muslims can't co-exist with any other religion and not even with other Muslims. Christians aren't persecuting anyone anywhere. Muslims on the other hand are persecuting Christians, Hindu, Buddists and of course Jews.

The enemies of America
Do not care an iota about who sold Iraq and Iran weapons as the NY dog, he could care less where the weapons came from.
All he cares about is taking his hatred out on America with cheap shots, comparing what Reagan sold to the Chechs and the French, the Russians and the Chinese.

Reagan sold some weapons for hostages the criminals of Iran unlawfully exploited and wickedly took hostage.

The Chechs, Russians and the French sold all the weapons of war used in that conflict and they get no blame from this America hater, NY dog.
Just so he can blame Reagan.


Makes one wonder
Mister NY Dog writes: 9:55 AM


Also by France and West Germany (our puppet) in 1979
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When such statements are made if the person making it actually thinks anyone believes it?

Maybe he is that far out from the real world


Our puppets?

Unfreakin real

You sure hate America and republicans
Is all I see, and aide our enemies
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Talent Scout says:
"The table shows the majority of conventional (non-WMD) arms imported by Iraq during the 1970s, when the regime was building up the armies which were to attack Iran in 1980, were supplied by the Soviet Union and its satellites, principally Czechoslovakia."

Also by France and West Germany (our puppet) in 1979.
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Mister NY Dog writes: 9:55 AM
You have no case...
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ts:
Not in your courtroom, you decide nothing here.
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Mister NY Dog writes: 9:55 AM


As usual, you're willing to write off atrocity if you feel it forwards Americans interests - even if that same "interest" comes back to bite us HARD in the asss 15 years later (did you read that Bush "certified" Saudi Arabia as an "anti-terrorism ally"). Republicans have wrecked America - both at home and abroad.
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ts:
Unlike you I am against all who oppose the Gospel of Jesus Christ, republicans, democrats, islamics or Christians.
And people like you who are filled with hatred for your own country(maybe its your country, probably an immigrant)

The biggest problem today is people who hate America, like you

Forgot nothing worthwhile

Talent Scout says:
"Iraq and Iran was supplied by France and Russia, China and others."


Mister NY Dog writes: 9:41 AM
You forget about those TOW missals Reagan sold to Iran - and that was in the earliest days of The Islamic Republic - right after THEY released our hostages. The Iran/Iraq war lasted until 1988 - we sold weapons to both sides.
And THEN - after making our money - we then decide THEY'ER BAD PEOPLE who need to be disarmed! It's not like we thought the Iranians were good guys when Reagan sold them weapons - and we all KNEW Saddam was bad from day one...
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ts:
What horse manure
You think anyone takes this nonsense serious?
Your twisted hatred for Reagan is all thats real in this post.
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Mister NY Dog writes: 9:41 AM
You like to blame Muslims for atrocity and evil - and you ignore your own country's involvement in and fomenting of that evil - often for rank dollars...They have NOTHING on us when it comes to death and destruction...
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islam is evil, period.
Evil is battled in America.
You are too hate filled to discern a difference


Taqiyah
Having survived the Clinton years, I know how to parse a sentence.

"As Muslims, we say to Christians..." anything we want you to believe about us, irrespective of its falsity. If you live in Europe, that will also have the force of law: just try to say something critical of Mohammedanism, and enjoy your time in court.

Did the Holy Father compose a response? "As Christians, we say to Mohammedans that we are not against them and that God's Holy Church is not against them -- so long as they do not wage war against Christians on account of their religion, oppress them and drive them out of their homes"? I didn't think so.

Manuel II Paleologos was right, and the pope was right to have quoted him.

Talent Scout says:
"The table shows the majority of conventional (non-WMD) arms imported by Iraq during the 1970s, when the regime was building up the armies which were to attack Iran in 1980, were supplied by the Soviet Union and its satellites, principally Czechoslovakia."

Also by France and West Germany (our puppet) in 1979.

You have no case...
As usual, you're willing to write off atrocity if you feel it forwards Americans interests - even if that same "interest" comes back to bite us HARD in the asss 15 years later (did you read that Bush "certified" Saudi Arabia as an "anti-terrorism ally"). Republicans have wrecked America - both at home and abroad.

Talent Scout says:
"Iraq and Iran was supplied by France and Russia, China and others."

You forget about those TOW missals Reagan sold to Iran - and that was in the earliest days of The Islamic Republic - right after THEY released our hostages. The Iran/Iraq war lasted until 1988 - we sold weapons to both sides.
And THEN - after making our money - we then decide THEY'ER BAD PEOPLE who need to be disarmed! It's not like we thought the Iranians were good guys when Reagan sold them weapons - and we all KNEW Saddam was bad from day one...

You like to blame Muslims for atrocity and evil - and you ignore your own country's involvement in and fomenting of that evil - often for rank dollars...They have NOTHING on us when it comes to death and destruction...

taft the daft
you hate Jesus more than you hate terrorist. i can hear it in your dripping venom post to God's people, which no muslims are. if you read history you would understand. we have Jesus, son of God, they have mohammed, son of satan, who spread his religion with the sword. there is no freedom of choice in islam. if you convert to Christ you get a death sentence.

Nazi's and islam
Were partners, still are.
KKK and islam are partners, even today.

Check out anything about them both today and see for yourself..

Published by American Library Association
ISSN 0006-7385
October 1, 2002, (Vol. 99, No. 3), p. 292:

Trifkovic, Serge. THE SWORD OF THE PROPHET:
Islam:
History, Theology,
Impact on the World. 2002. 312p. Index. Regina Orthodox; distr. by reginaorthodoxpress.com, paper, $19.95 (1-928653-11-1).

Here is a comparison
That explains why the ignorant of the bible cannot teach it, let alone the unbelievers.

By the time a child is in the 3rd grade he/she learns numbers, basic numbers.

This is the same thing when the bible is picked up by any person who knows how to read words.

You just know the basics is all.
For an ignorant man or woman to try and teach the bible cause they can read some words is like a 3rd grader trying to teach calculus cause he knows how to read numbers.

Too stupid to have to deal with, yet we see it every day.
Only men of God who are Called of God can teach the scriptures.
Just exactly like only calculus can be taught by a person who has learned what the numbers can teach us.

Eminent Domain
Is the gospel of islam
Taught in every mosque throughout the world.
islam has the RIGHT to rul over every person, believer and unbeliever, saint or sinner.
And you had best open your eyes to this truth.

Their goal is no different than nazi Germany's was under Adolph Hitler.

The Serbian muslim war came about from the creeping expansion of islamic use of force to convert and take land.
Billy bob Klinton went to war against Milosevic ( whom they poisoned in prison)
cause he would not sign onto the global marketing forces who made this war in Bosnia etc. possible.

They used the strife between muslims and others to smugly proclaim they cared about human rights, just as all can see they really care in places like Sudan and other spots where human rights are being oppressed and destroyed.




This is the sort of lying crap
Mister NY Dog writes: 8:20 AM
Tali says:
"And if the wondrous, peace-loving Muslims had acted rather differently toward their own brothers, and to the world, we'd not have invaded Iraq. "

We invaded Iraq because THEY fought each other (after WE armed both sides!)
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The really ignorant put out and show both bias and stupidity of the facts.

Fact
Iraq and Iran was supplied by France and Russia, China and others.

Facts:

The table shows the majority of conventional (non-WMD) arms imported by Iraq during the 1970s, when the regime was building up the armies which were to attack Iran in 1980, were supplied by the Soviet Union and its satellites, principally Czechoslovakia. The only substantial western arms supplier to Iraq was France, which continued to be a major supplier until 1990, when Iraq invaded Kuwait and all legal arms transfers to Iraq ended.

The United States did not supply any arms to Iraq until 1982, when Iran's growing military success alarmed American policymakers. It then did so every year until 1988. Although most other countries never hesitated to sell military hardware directly to Saddam Hussein's regime, the United States, equally keen to protect its interests in the region, adopted a more subtle approach. Howard Teicher served on the National Security Council as director of Political-Military Affairs. According to his 1995 affidavit and other interviews with former Regan and Bush administration officials, the Central Intelligence Agency secretly directed armaments and high-tech components to Iraq through false fronts and friendly third parties such as Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Kuwait, and they quietly encouraged rogue arms dealers and other Private military companies to do the same:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_sales_to_Iraq#Arms_suppli ers_to_Iraq

wiki bikki.
Its facts anyway

http://www.zmag.org/zmag/articles/ShalomIranIraq.html

Subtility abounds and dominates
Many of the human race, using deceit filled accusations from ignorance and bias.

The Christian Faith teaches against violence and explains mankind.
All men having the same nature.
Christian, Jew, muslim or Hindu.
Matters not what his religion is as far as what he himself is.
An individual person in a body of flesh and living in a world he has no control over its nature.

Every time this subject comes up the bigots who neither understand Jesus Christ and the Gospel, nor human nature make up any event of the past to falsely accuse Christianity for wars.

The world of the past is no different in who makes war than it is today.
Take this present war against terrorism.

100 years from now some God hating anti Christian bigoted person teaching history will say it was Christians who decided to make war against Iraq.
They will be able to use GW Bush's claim to being a Christian, and make the true claim America was a Judeo/Christian Nation.

All true, yet who is it that is making war?
The STATE is.
Just exactly like the past.
State powers NEVER get any blame from these history bigots, so they can falsely accuse Christians.
The Vatican of the past was and is the same, it is a STATE power using it religion that taught AGAINST WAR to use war.
Same thing with the Kings of Spain, England, France and Germany.
It was ALL over STATE POWERS, and not religion.
The people themselves had no say in the matter one way or another, just as today.

All the wars of the 20th century came from STATE powers, not religion.

POLITICS of power that comes from politicians and rulers. Not Christianity.
Yet islam combines both to make war


Hot to weave propaganda into truth
viruddh writes: 3:47 AM

“Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites” (Numbers 31:2). See also Deuteronomy 20:16-17, “However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them--the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites--as the LORD your God has commanded you.” Exodus 17:16 proclaims, “He said, "For hands were lifted up to the throne of the LORD. The LORD will be at war against the Amalekites from generation to generation." Also, 1 Samuel 15:18, “Go and completely destroy those wicked people, the Amalekites; make war on them until you have wiped them out.”
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To answer your question, Fred: Where is it written that Christians should wage war or oppress anyone on account of their religion?
I copied that from the GotQuestions website.



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The Gospel of Jesus Christ did not exist in the year 2000 BC.

Perhaps you should study time tables a little better.

Also you need a grasp of what sort of world existed 4000 years ago and compare the nations THEN in existence and what they were doing.

To not do that is to simply twist all information into a biased propaganda to make false accusations and show ignorance.

Twisted logic
Those of you who are bending yourselves into pretzels to defend Islamists and attack the west are really using some twisted logic. Where were you when Saddam Hussein was torturing and killing other Muslims? Is it alright if Muslims kill other Muslims? Is it just a cultural thing, and we should mind our own business?

Where is your outcry over the treatment of women, gays, non-Muslims in many ME countries? Again, is this a "cultural issue" about which we have no right to speak out?

Trying to link the Nazis with Christianity is a stretch, and so is basically saying the US is waging war because it is a Muslim v Christian issue.

You speak about the candlelight vigils held by Muslims during our victim phase of 9/11. You fail to mention those who danced in the streets. I am sure you believe they had valid reasons to hate the US so that was ok with you.

It is easy to support the victim while they are on their knees bleeding. When we stood up and started fighting back (something we had failed to do during the Clinton years), many of those who had shown their "support" when we were victims started whining about aggression.

The quickest way for us to leave Iraq would be for Islamists to stop the terrorism, and let the Iraqi government do its job.

To Mister Dog
"Thousands upon thousands of images and stories of American war making, from Afghanistan to iraq - from dead and battered babies to old men and women"

Other tens of thousands have images and stories of Americans treating their wounded relatives from insurgent car bombs at mosques. Others have images of Americans driving away the Sunni soldiers and police who murdered their sons and loved ones. Others have images of U.S. soldiers building them schools when the Taliban or the Ba'athists would never let them attend. Others have images of Americans repairing their irrigations systems, bringing medical care to them when Saddam hoarded it for his own tribe.

And at least one little barefoot girl in a rust-colored dress has a memory of a U.S. soldier giving her and her mom his only two bottles of water. Not that he deserves credit for doing what he ought.

I know you never cared about the sufferings of foreign brown people under oppressors of their own kind; I know you refuse to believe that American soldiers have ever done anything good or decent in the world.
But there is more in this world than you will ever see sitting behind your computer in NYC. And certainly more than your ideological masters will tell you.

to Mister Dog
"As long as Americans are in the ME, ANY claims that Muslims are the aggressors is absurd."

We are in the Korean Peninsula, too; that doesn't change the historical fact that the North Koreans were the aggresors. The fact that the U.S. is in the ME DOESN'T give Muslims license to do anything they want to anyone they despise. Unless you subscribe to situational ethics, of course.

"If we tally the scores - as you well know, we've killed FAR more of them than they us."

By 1944, that was true of the U.S. and Imperial Japan, too. Is the party with the larger casualty list always righteous?

Ti viruddh
"To answer your question, Fred: Where is it written that Christians should wage war or oppress anyone on account of their religion?
I copied that from the GotQuestions website."

Those instructions were NOT given to Christians, and indeed have no application for them. Indeed, the command has no GENERAL application at all.

Tali says:
"And if the wondrous, peace-loving Muslims had acted rather differently toward their own brothers, and to the world, we'd not have invaded Iraq. "

We invaded Iraq because THEY fought each other (after WE armed both sides!)

As long as Americans are in the ME, ANY claims that Muslims are the aggressors is absurd. If we tally the scores - as you well know, we've killed FAR more of them than they us. All Mona and her racist thugs have for proof are their cowardly fears, their quotes from the Koran (as if the bible is all love and flowers) - and recycled photos of 9/11 and a few videos of beheadings - none made by sovereign states.

What do the Muslims have?

Thousands upon thousands of images and stories of American war making, from Afghanistan to iraq - from dead and battered babies to old men and women - and that's ignoring YEARS of American meddling with and supporting ME monarchical thugs who have repressed and tortured and murdered - not to mention, fomented radical Islam out one side of their mouth - while denouncing it to their American puppet masters.
America is the aggressor, Mona - the proof is on the table...

Fred Tallil2long
“Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites” (Numbers 31:2). See also Deuteronomy 20:16-17, “However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them--the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites--as the LORD your God has commanded you.” Exodus 17:16 proclaims, “He said, "For hands were lifted up to the throne of the LORD. The LORD will be at war against the Amalekites from generation to generation." Also, 1 Samuel 15:18, “Go and completely destroy those wicked people, the Amalekites; make war on them until you have wiped them out.”

To answer your question, Fred: Where is it written that Christians should wage war or oppress anyone on account of their religion?
I copied that from the GotQuestions website.

Thank heavens we are not making war over religion
right now, but it has certainly been a large
part of our history.

I live in a university town. We have a fairly
large Muslim population here because of it. I
know a few of them. NOT ALL MUSLIMS ARE MAKING
WAR ON AMERICA, ON AMERICANS, ON ANYBODY. Every
religion has its nutcases, and will happily use
sacred texts to justify what they would do anyway. But now they have a "legitimate" excuse.

To taft
Yes, we're aware of the fairly-recent slaughter of Muslims by Serbs. We're aware that a 'Christian' nation put an end to it.

Where are the 'Muslim' nations who should put an end to Darfur, and to Muslim terrorism across the world?

They're preaching, funding, defending or ignoring it.

Tell me, taft: who do you think did this:

http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2007/10/19/1035237-mall-explo sion-in-manila-kills-8

IF Muslim terrorists did it, as is likely, do you think a SINGLE Muslim nation will denounce it and actively assist the hunt for the terrorists?

To svirk
"I have rarely heard such blind hypocrisy in my life. How many Muslims have died and how many are suffering as a result of that recovering drunk of a Christian leader attacking Iraq? It is Americans, the majority of whom are Christians, that are the cause of so much death and destruction in a country they mindlessly attacked. No? Now they want to attack Iran and who is the greatest supporters of Bush's wars but the Christian evangelicals."

Oh, I don't deny that America wages wars; we just don't do it for religious purposes.
And if the wondrous, peace-loving Muslims had acted rather differently toward their own brothers, and to the world, we'd not have invaded Iraq. And if Iran would stop making statements about destroying sovreign nations, nobody would bother with them, either.

"The various evangelical Christians preach war in the Middle East while they condemn Islam for being a "warlike religion." Are you aware of the beam in your own eye?"

Honestly, have you EVER heard what gets preached in mosques? It is true that many Christians support the war in Iraq, but the actual preaching of war takes place in mosques. I know; I've seen the intel transcripts.

Who cares what G Bush says
Taft writes:

"Islam is Peace" Says George W. Bush
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Islam is the as far from peace as east is from the west.
And GW needs to stick with politics, he knows nothing about religion.

And you know nothing of the Gospel

truthseeker etal
You are going up the wrong creek with this bashing of Islam.

"Islam is Peace" Says George W. Bush

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010917-11 .html

Look, everyone who doesn't believe in Jesus, is not saved in Christian religion, not just Muslims. I find it incredulous that you could point fingers when Christ explicitly said to knock that kind of cr@p out. Go back to the gospels and know whats in them don't let this agents trick you out of everything and your religion.

svirk the jerk
you need to take your propaganda over to the dirty dog. that's where the democrats post. they believe in a peaceful islam. but this is a conservative posting area. we know islam is a religion for dummies. muhammed is a prophet of the devil and nothing more..... stop brainwashing your children into killing others. don't you love your kids. no i guess not. strap on a bomb and point in a direction.

talent scout writes:
> mohammed was of the devil
> http://www.prophetofdoom.net/

Wow, how can anyone argue with that. I suppose I could post a link to some nutjob's anti-Christian site but what would be the point. It's clear "talent scout" is exactly the sort of Christian that has made Christianity something to be mocked and ridiculed in much of America. I just don't understand his level of hate.
Peace


Murder does not bother muslims
If its a muslim murdering a non muslim.

Nothing mohammed done bothers muslims, in fact they justify the devil and honor him


This is the way mohammed allowed
Free choice.

In Mecca he preached his peach sermons, as svirk preaches, cause he was too weak to fight.

In Medina he was a serial killer, rapist.

He bragged about the murdering and beheading of over 900 men.

He was a devil disguised as a man of God.
He broke every Commandment of God.

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/

Islam in Muhammad's Own Words

Islam is a caustic blend of paganism and twisted Bible stories. Muhammad, its lone prophet, conceived his religion to satiate his lust for power, sex, and money. He was a terrorist. And if you think these conclusions are shocking, wait until you see the evidence.
Critics of Prophet of Doom claim it is offensive, hatemongering, and unnecessarily violent. We agree - but we didn't write those parts. They came directly from Islam's scriptures. Over the course of these pages, we quote from most every surah in the Qur'an - putting each verse in the context of Muhammad's life by quoting vociferously from Islam's most trusted sources.


talent scout writes:
> In islam, muslims are commanded to convert,
> and by sword if necessary, and they do it
> every day, right now in real time.

This is the exact opposite of Islamic teaching.

"There shall be no compulsion in religion." Quran

According to Islam man must have freedom of conscience and ought to be allowed to employ
his God given senses in order to approach nearer to his Creator. No man can compel another to believe. We are not only allowed to believe as we
wish but the freedom to do so must be guaranteed.

"It is the truth from your Lord; therefore let him who will believe and let him who will disbelieve." [Quran 18:29]

"Surely We have revealed to you the Book with the truth for all mankind; so whoever follows the right way, it is for his own soul and whoever errs, he errs only to its detriment; and you are not a custodian over them." [Quran 39:41]

Peace


talent scout writes:
> Not all German Citizens supported the
> wickedness of the nazi's just as not all
> muslims support the wickedness of islam
> and it evil leaders.

You do understand that the vast majority of Nazi's considered themselves Christian? What kind of fool would I be to blame Christianity for Nazism? The same kind of fool who blames Islam for the actions of extremists or terrorists.

Peace


Tish writes:
> I also take exception to the fact that you
> place Mohammed higher than Jesus. Jesus is
> the only way to Allah...whether you like
> it or not.

"Say ye, 'We believe in God and what has been revealed to us, and what was revealed to Abraham and Ishmael, and Isaac and Jacob and his children and what was given to Moses and Jesus, and what was given to all other Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them; and to HIM we submit ourselves.'" [Quran 2:136]

> What purpose does Jesus serve in Islam?

"I have not come but for the lost sheep of the house of Israel" -- Jesus, according to the Bible.

> If he did not atone for your sins and was
> just another prophet then what did he
> mean when he said that " I am THE way, THE
> truth, and THE life...NO man comes to the
> Father (ALLAH) except by me."

The path to salvation is taught by every prophet of God and that it is by following the prophet that salvation can be attained. Every prophet teaches essentially the same thing and no man can reach God without learning those lessons. Jesus was the way, the truth and the life in the sense that the other prophets were.

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." -- Jesus

"If you love God, follow me; then will God love you and forgive you your sins." -- Muhammad

Peace



Tish writes:
> However, you reject Jesus as God...

Correct. That God is or was a man is considered blasphemy in both Islam and Judaism.

> which is the only way his atonement for
> our sins would have done us any good... a
> man can't pay for another man's sins...
> only God can.

A man can not atone for his sins except by the grace of God. On this much Christians and Muslims agree, I believe. We differ in that Muslims do not accept the concept of vicarious atonement.
When a person with a conscience sins he will feel guilty and be repentant. All of us are, to varying degrees, disgusted or disheartened by our own behavior and are repentant. A person who strives towards God and keeps failing will obviously be repentant and suffer due to his weakness which keeps him from his goal. A person may repent, time and time again and may even despair of improvement. The cumulative effect of a persons striving and failing and feeling the pangs of conscience is that God takes mercy on such a person and strengthens him with the "Holy Spirit" to lift him above his weakness. In the Quran such a stage or person is spoken of:

"As for such, He has written faith upon their hearts and has strengthened them with a Spirit from Him, and He will bring them into Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide. God is well pleased with them, and they are well pleased with Him." [Quran 58:22]

Peace

muslim letter
third tier liars show up and we are supposed to accept them are truthbearers. If the wacko mullahs from iran and the wahhabists from saudia arabia added their abdullahs on the bottom of the letter there might be some reason to show cautious optimism. But trusting those who sanction murdering their own followers and accept duplicitous behavior as one of life's ideals is done at one's peril. But of course the left is reeling from spasms of orgasms that this actually means something. They think that by acting like they have already surrendered will guarantee peace. But what else can be expected from the left. They only have one enemy and he is our sitting president

talent scout writes:
> muslims peace means to bow to islam, and if
> it takes war to force all to bow, then war
> it is.

What you present is a caricature of Islam accepted only by the utterly ignorant.
Peace



The commissions are opposite
In Christianity and islam.

Christians are told to go into all the world and preach, teach (thats it)

In islam, muslims are commanded to convert, and by sword if necessary, and they do it every day, right now in real time.

Happening all over the world, NOW

http://www.persecution.com/news/index.cfm

islam and nazism, first cousins
Just as many German Citizens who were under the rule of the wicked nazi regime in Germany, and were not murderers and killers as the nazi's were, so are muslims to islam, the real wickedness of the world today.

islam is the problem, and muslims are caught up into its evil powers.

Not all German Citizens supported the wickedness of the nazi's just as not all muslims support the wickedness of islam and it evil leaders.

False classification
Taft writes: 3:44 PM
drt
The justification for hating Muslins can't be Biblical.
-----------
Fact is God hates every false way, and its islam that is to be hated.
Not muslims who are flesh and blood.


The Word of God is Powerful

Ephesians 6:12 -
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

islam is to be despised, muslims are not, the problem is the spiritual wickedness of this false religion.

David expresses the right Spirit.

Psalms 119:104 -
Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.

Psalms 119:128 -
Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; and I hate every false way.

Jesus Christ is the ONLY WAY to God.

mohammed was a devil possessed false prophet.
He will be overcome by the Truth that is in Jesus Christ, in Righteousness

drt
The justification for hating Muslins can't be Biblical. You may as well through all you Left Behind books in the trash can because thats where they belong. One only needs the Gospels for religious living, anything more usually takes something away from them. Love your neighbor as your self,ect...

talent scout
I'm afraid somebody has been pulling your leg, like Teacher above. The obvious facts are most Muslims are peaceful. Example one, in the face of constant attacks by Sunnis after the iraq occupation, Sistani very religiously and ethically told the Shia not to go back for revenge. Why do you think the Muslim world condemned the 9/11 attacks. There were huge candlelight vigils for the victims in Tehran. If you still not convinced listen to this pod-cast, via NPR.

http://216.35.221.77/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1517 8859

another good example:

http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php

Mulims don't think Jesus was the son of God but a very holy person. They didn't think he as a "raving lunatic" like jews. (a Coultersim)

Svirk
However, you reject Jesus as God...which is the only way his atonement for our sins would have done us any good...a man can't pay for another man's sins...only God can.

I also take exception to the fact that you place Mohammed higher than Jesus. Jesus is the only way to Allah...whether you like it or not.

What purpose does Jesus serve in Islam? If he did not atone for your sins and was just another prophet then what did he mean when he said that " I am THE way, THE truth, and THE life...NO man comes to the Father (ALLAH) except by me." I don't see Mohommed anywhere in that scripture and he left no room for error in what he meant another time when he told the Pharasees " Before Abraham, I AM." I AM is the name that God (Allah) gave Moses at the burning bush when Moses asked Him who should he tell the Hebrews who had sent him. So Jesus leaves no room for thinking that he was anything other than the Messiah and God at the same time. For further understanding of Christianity, may I recommend reading Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis.

The word peace, east & west
In the west peace means the absence of violence as we see in the Quakers and others.
Never raising their hand against any man, never in War or otherwise.

muslims peace means to bow to islam, and if it takes war to force all to bow, then war it is.

Two ways to make war.
Violence and Propaganda
islam uses both.
War is what the entire history of islam is all about.
Peace?
Ha ha

Many antichrists

talent scout writes:
islam is not the only Anti-Christ
Everyone who rejects Jesus Christ is
Anti-Christ.
-------------
svirk writes: 2:50 PM
Do you consider the Judaism anti-Christ?
-------
Of course it is anti-Christ.
But so is hollywood, communism, nazism, and all other isms.
All who reject Jesus Christ is anti-Christ.

1 John 2:18 -
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

2 John 1:7 -
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist

> islam opposes the Prince of Peace, Jesus
> Christ.
>
> 1 John 2:22 -
> Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus
> is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth
> the Father and the Son.


---------------

svirk writes:
Muslims accept that Jesus was the Christ, the Messiah. The Jews deny this.
--------
muslims do not accept Jesus Christ is the Son of God, nor do any other antichrists.


The bible does not teach three persons of God, there is ONE person of God manifested in Spirit and flesh.

There is no division in God, He is One, and His name one.

Mark 12:29 -
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

1 Corinthians 8:6 -
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

God has made Jesus Christ the Lord.
And He is One with God, not a separate person as some confused minds think.

Acts 2:36 -
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

2 Peter 3:18 -
But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

talent scout writes:
> islam is not the only Anti-Christ
> Everyone who rejects Jesus Christ is
> Anti-Christ.

Do you consider the Judaism anti-Christ?

> islam opposes the Prince of Peace, Jesus
> Christ.
>
> 1 John 2:22 -
> Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus
> is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth
> the Father and the Son.

Muslims accept that Jesus was the Christ, the Messiah. The Jews deny this. Both Muslims and Jews consider a belief in the Trinity to be the height of blasphemy. According to Islam, Jesus was the the Messiah and a true and humble servant of God.
Peace


wiggs writes:
> Nobody's buying what you're selling.

You would if you had more knowledge about what we are speaking about.

"A seeker after knowledge among the ignorant is like a living person among the dead." - Muhammad

"Take my instruction, and not silver, and knowledge rather than the choicest gold. For wisdom is better than jewels; and all desirable things cannot compare with her." - Solomon

--
Peace


islam is not the only Anti-Christ
Everyone who rejects Jesus Christ is Anti-Christ.

-

Revelation 12:7 -
And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Revelation 19:11 -
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
--------

This war is above all of us, just choose your side is the only power any of us have.

The warfare began in the Garden of Eden and satans opposition to God was revealed with his first words "yeah hath God said?"


All the Faithful and the True will judge islam for what it is and war against it, and not by hand, by knowledge and righteousness.

Daniel 8:25
" but he shall be broken without hand."



Game time is over
Its time to get real with the meaning of words.
The bible tells that by peace many will be murdered, destroyed.
Nothing could define islam any better.
-------
Daniel 8:23-26
23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy "the mighty and the holy people.

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days
--------

This says it all:

"and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes;"

islam opposes the Prince of Peace, Jesus Christ.

1 John 2:22 -
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Look no further than where the anti-Christ has its power, islam

Your brand of peace is the problem.

Uncle Max writes:
How many of you sincerely and honestly
believe that islam is at its heart a
religion of peace?
-----------

svirk writes: 1:44 PM

Well, being that I am a Muslim I believe all the major religions are peaceful. Being a Muslim I also realize that some of the nuts on this site will believe I am lying or have some ulterior meaning of the word "peace" in mind. Most of the people posting anti-Islam comments have no knowledge of Islam and what little they imagine they know is wrong.
Peace.

----------
muslims
Your peace will never bring peace, it is designed to bring war.

The word is of different meanings to muslims than it is to Christians.

Muslims mean what they say when they demand all accept mohammed as the prophet of God.
He led by example in what that means.

He raped, he robbed, he murdered and sinned against God.
muslims believe sin is the way to peace.

Its devil worship

Uncle Max writes:
> How many of you sincerely and honestly
> believe that islam is at its heart a
> religion of peace?

Well, being that I am a Muslim I believe all the major religions are peaceful. Being a Muslim I also realize that some of the nuts on this site will believe I am lying or have some ulterior meaning of the word "peace" in mind. Most of the people posting anti-Islam comments have no knowledge of Islam and what little they imagine they know is wrong.
Peace


Svirk
Nobody's buying what you're selling.

Peace.

Teacher writes:
> By the way Taft, the 'peace' that you maintain
> the majority of Muslims love is the peace
> of total domination.

Are ignorant or do you just enjoy hate mongering? Have you ever even met a Muslim?

> Once the world-wide Caliphate is established,
> you will have that peace - on their terms.
> Read the Quran. You don't have to guess
> what their aims are; it's all there.

Clearly you have never read the Quran. How are so many people on this site thoroughly brainwashed? The anti-Islam types need to go out and meet with Muslims instead of swallowing all the lies and propaganda extremist right-wingers spew. Why is it so easy for people calling themselves Christian to unthinkingly embrace hatred?
Peace


Tallil2long writes:
> This doesn't apply to Christianity, since no
> significant group of Christians is treating
> Muslims the way so many Muslims are treating
> others.

I have rarely heard such blind hypocrisy in my life. How many Muslims have died and how many are suffering as a result of that recovering drunk of a Christian leader attacking Iraq? It is Americans, the majority of whom are Christians, that are the cause of so much death and destruction in a country they mindlessly attacked. No? Now they want to attack Iran and who is the greatest supporters of Bush's wars but the Christian evangelicals.

The various evangelical Christians preach war in the Middle East while they condemn Islam for being a "warlike religion." Are you aware of the beam in your own eye?
Peace



Gestell
You neglected to mention that the Reformation freed millions from the stranglehold of the Dark Ages of the then Roman Catholic Church's tyrannical enslavement of the European populace.

Reply to Teacher
Why assume that Islams need a "Reformation?" The Protestant Reformation led to a century and a half of war in Europe in which a large fraction of the population perished. And, regardless of whether you are Catholic or Protestant, you have to admit that Christianity in the est was shattered by these events. So I'm not sure if an Islamic "Reformatn" is so obviously a great idea.

If by "Reformation" you mean that lots of Muslims become warmer and fuzzier, I suppose that would be good.

Some scholars of Islam contend that Islam has already had a "Reformation," which amounts to a return to a degree of militancy and "fundamentism" that we see expressed in jihadism. Certainly the sources of al-Qaeda's understanding of Islam and that shared by many Muslims are to be found in Muslims who rejected efforts to liberalize their faith, and sought to return it to its roots.

bullmoose47 writes:
> And I find it curious that they are not
> preaching the same things to their jihadist
> brethern. Why is that? Looks like to me the
> imans would clean their own house first...
> unless they have another agenda.

More paranoid nonsense.
Peace


folks
Of course Islam is not a religion of peace. I always thought that was a silly thing to say; but Teacher makes a very good point. Islam has never had a Reformation. I believe that reformation is inevitable and that the primitive interpretations of the Koran will be discarded for modern and benign ones. The question is when and what do we do in the mean time. I say it will happen in less then ten years. Meanwhile we keep the pressure on and cautiously welcome any moderate diplomacy.

Petrovian writes:
> How else we can explain it? Deceptive. And
> their clerics are even worse.

That is paranoid nonsense. You appear to be a victim of anti-Muslim brainwashing.
Peace


jtb-in-texas wrote:
> The Letter was a prime example of
> al taqiyyah. Muslims are commanded by the
> quran to lie to non-muslims in order
> to advance their cause.

That is in itself a lie. The Quran commands no such thing. You are a victim of ignorance and hate.

> The quran clearly states there are only
> two countries, the nation of Islam and
> the nation of war. Their words of "peace"
> are really just a demand for us to surrender.

Again, that is a lie. The Quran states no such thing.
--
Peace

It strongly appears that...
The King of the South in Daniel is modern Iran.

Cliff Notes Version:
"Submit or die."

It's a necessary prerequisite to declaring war.

Biblical Prophesy Being Proven Again
This letter is really a fulfillment of biblical prophesy. The Bible makes clear that enemies of Jesus Christ (those that deny Him as Son of God)will seek to deceive the world about their intentions. The Bible also makes clear that they, the Muslims, will in turn exterminate massive numbers of innocent human beings because they oppose Christ.

It is true that the term 'Muslim' is not in the Bible. However, the Bible's description of Jesus' enemies fits 100% with what Muslims say about themselves and how they live.

This war against Islamic terrorists will end when Jesus comes again, at Armageddon. The war will get much worse according to the Bible. But in the end, Jesus will end the lives of all His enemies-and then send them to hell.

Call it a bromide or dodge or anything else. It is the Bible being proven out once again.

question
How many of you sincerely and honestly believe that islam is at its heart a religion of peace?

savage 99
here are three , need more?

i am just saying, no matter the subject it is the liberals fault on townhall.




"Sometimes I think the liberals ate paint chips when they were kids."

:Unity and resolve are the solutions; The "Bush haters", that are the Islamists and the shallow "left", need to be taught honesty...."

"Why worry about the muslim extremists? It is the Democrat, leftist extremists that will kill this country. Why else would you find Osama's and Democrat talking points to be absolute copies of one another?"

Templars
Now that the documents have surfaced in the Holy See that absolve(d) the Templar order of heresy, can the Pope please reinstate the order for the protection of Christians in the Holy Lands?

religiouslib
Congratulations on your good eye. I was unable to find any charge in column or comments blaming liberals for anything. Blaming liberals can hardly be the main theme here.

jtb
"But they'll all be burning in the Lake of Fire for eternity..."

And in what "Bible" did you find those words?

blame the liberals
of course as always on townhall every problem is the fault of liberals lol


isn't it george bush who continually claims islam is a religion of peace and yarly hosts a celebration of their holiday at the white house.

just asking

Muslim Letter to the Pope
Osama bin Laden said there were three reasons they declared a jihad on the West; 1. Our having troops on their land 2. Our support for Isreal 3. Our corrupt culture.

We would like to leave Iraq as soon as their government can take over, but we aren't going to withdraw our support for Isreal and I'm afraid there isn't much we can do about our culture.

So how are the Muslim clerics going to call off their dogs? Their only idea is to send a letter to the Pope. They aren't going to do anything to curb radical Islam, but if they try they will be dead.

Mike R
Islam has already declared perpetual war against all non muslims. They have been at perpetual war against non muslims since the very inception of islam. In islam there exists two and only two states: the "house of peace", i.e. islam; and the "house of war", i.e. everyone and everywhere else. The war with islam will never end because this is a central tenet of their faith. mohammed declared war upon the world, and it will not end until islam is squashed and marginalized.

internet culpa
Sorry about the double post.

Peace-loving Muslims
By the way Taft, the 'peace' that you maintain the majority of Muslims love is the peace of total domination. Once the world-wide Caliphate is established, you will have that peace - on their terms. Read the Quran. You don't have to guess what their aims are; it's all there.

Peace-loving Muslims
By the way Taft, the 'peace' that you maintain the majority of Muslims love is the peace of total domination. Once the world-wide Caliphate is established, you will have that peace - on their terms. Read the Quran. You don't have to guess what their aims are; it's all there.

Moderate Muslims
Islam has never had a Reformation. While there are moderate Muslims, it is childishly easy for strict constructionists to prove that the words of the Prophet are both clear and immutable. There is NO moderate Muslim 'street' in the Middle East - certainly not one that I ever saw. Moderate Muslims know that they can be killed with impunity for anything resembling apostasy. Absolutely nothing material has changed since Muslims first took Islam out of Arabia with fire and the sword. Nothing is going to change in our lifetimes, at the very least. Rather than listening to the honeyed words, all anyone has to do is look at how Islam functions in the real world. Given this, the task facing the West is very simply how to deal with this without giving up our hard-won freedoms.

folks
You might be taking this all wrong. Moslem hatred of Christianity and the West is not going to end over night. This is just a glimmer that the moderates are trying to reach out. It’s actually a sign of success for our efforts. These moderates have to walk a tight rope. If they lean towards the radicals, they will be rejected by us. If the lean towards us, they will be eliminated by the radicals and lose all they are struggling. I don’t expect this to change anything at present; but the reality is that things will have to work out eventually or we will have perpetual war. I say that we should take the letter with a grain of salt and not make too much out of it.

Roadkill58
Isn't the point that the majority of Muslims are peace loving have an impact on you? Do you have any logic, proof, or facts to show most or all are not peace loving. I've read a lot abut this topic and have found tons of evidence and proof that most Muslims, especially in the USA are peaceful.

Destiny,

One can't forget, either, the slaughter of Muslims in Serbia, not that long ago.

Roadkill58
states: Sometimes I think the liberals ate paint chips when they were kids.

Paint chips indeed. But when they got older it was dope and buying into Planned Parenthood's lies. Only someone on drugs couldn't see through their agenda. PP and Muslim's jihadists are one and the same. Blood at any cost.

Nuts
How on earth can anyone believe a word those savages say? One of the two good things that came out of the 9-11 commission hearings was the statement "They were at war with us and we were not at war with them." It's kind of like John Lennin being half right. "What if there was a war and only one side came." I thing however that the West is waking out of its slumber. Elections in Germany and France indicate the people are sick of being pushed around by these animals and intend to fight back much to the chagrin of liberals everywhere. We live in a country where legitimate chriticism is "hate speech" but muslim declarations of domination are to be ignored. As of Serbia there are two sides to that story as well. The Serbs have been pushed around by muslims for years. With the collapse of the USSR the gloves came off and they faught back. As far as I'm concerned the muslims got exactly what they deserved. Evidetntly Clinton didn't see it that way. Killing all those Christians in Waco just wet his appetite so he used the excuse of ethnic cleansing to kill Serbs. And how did the muslims thank us? Kobar Towers, two embassies in Africa, USS Cole, and the big one on 9-11. Most recently some of those so called refugees planned an attack on Fort Dix to kill GIs. But yes we can take them at their word with this letter to the Pope. Sometimes I think the liberals ate paint chips when they were kids.

viruddh
Where is it written that Christians should wage war or oppress anyone on account of their religion?

More Murders
And don't forget the Christians who were recently murdered in Turkey - because they were Christians.

Trust
Honestly, how can anyone believe anything a Muslim would say? They are taught from infancy that it is proper to be dishonest with infidels, that infidels have no rights to life or property. Muslims are bound to further the Islamic cause. That end justifies any means.

Quranic commands
jtp is right to point out that al-taqiyyah is part of Islamic teaching. Additionally, the Quran is absolutely clear about the choices available to non-Muslims: 1. convert, 2. live as dhimmis, paying tax and aknowledging the superiority of ALL Muslims over them, OR 3. die.
Further, in re the warning to "not wage war against Muslims...and drive them out of their homes": it is another tenet of Islamic faith that ALL lands conquered by Muslims are forever Muslim, even if they have be retaken. This means that all of Spain and part of France, as well as the lands overrun during the assault which was stopped at the gates of Vienna are Muslim lands in perpetuity and MUST eventually be returned to Muslim control.

Second to viruddh
The last time a predominently 'Christian' population was massacring Muslims was in the Balkans. It was the United States that took the key role in stopping it.



[Of course, the Serbs were hardly acting like the followers of Christ so many profess to be; and the Muslims were also committing atrocities]

To viruddh
"To use your own words, read the following
sentence very carefully:
Christian to Muslim (or anyone else): If you
wage ware against us on account of our religion,
oppress us or drive us out of our homes. we will
be against you."

There is one very significant difference. Many Muslims *right now* are attacking, killing, harassing and enslaving members of other religious groups. The authors of this letter, by not addressing that fact, appear to really be saying "Don't you dare defend yourselves or try to stop what we are doing, if you do it'll mean WAR!"

This doesn't apply to Christianity, since no significant group of Christians is treating Muslims the way so many Muslims are treating others.


viruddh writes:
"A God/father who is going to send 9/10 of his very own creations to an everlasting hell."

God is not sending anyone to hell. Man chose that path all on his own and God has done everything necessary to give man a way to turn back and be redeemed. Not many are listening.

Saladin revisited?
Not only are they dodging, but they are being dishonest...which is allowed when Muslims are dealing with 'infidels'...

And I find it curious that they are not preaching the same things to their jihadist brethern. Why is that? Looks like to me the imans would clean their own house first...unless they have another agenda.

Look up the 'Peace of Saladin' and you will see what I am getting at.

jtb
"But they'll all be burning in the Lake of Fire for eternity..."

What a wonderful religion you have. A God/father
who is going to send 9/10 of his very own
creations to an everlasting hell.

I am very much a Christian but I have no desire
to spend an eternity with that God.

If I believed in that kind of God I would have
aborted every child I have had. What a potential
future. A child has a RIGHT to come into the world with that possibility lurking in his eternal future! Thanks a lot.

How could anyone bring a child into a world if
he truly believes that. It gives me the creeps.

Even though I truly believe you would never do
a 9/11 thing, I still believe that fanatic
Christians are as crazy as fanatics in any other
religion.


Read the Koran
It's all there.... the long slow squeeze... Underestimating the inherent and insidious nature of it's dogma, in concert with time and demographics, is the greatest fools game.... yet there's hope with the homecoming of Benazir Bhutto....
Unity and resolve are the solutions; The "Bush haters", that are the Islamists and the shallow "left", need to be taught honesty....

Petrovian again
"That's how average Muslims' mind works"

And just how many Muslims do you know, average
or not?

Petrovian
"As Muslims, we say to Christians that we are not against them and that Islam is not against them -- so long as they do not wage war against Muslims on account of their religion, oppress them and drive them out of their homes."

To use your own words, read the following
sentence very carefully:

Christian to Muslim (or anyone else): If you
wage ware against us on account of our religion,
oppress us or drive us out of our homes. we will
be against you.



The day muslims look inside
Themselves and islam, they will find peace.
They never will dothis though, that 7th century madman holds them bound with his demanding moon god religion.

Its everyone else who the muslim sees as the problem, never what the muslims do all the while they break every Commandment of God

That's how average Muslims' mind works
How else we can explain it? Deceptive. And their clerics are even worse.

Read this letter again:

The clerics write: "As Muslims, we say to Christians that we are not against them and that Islam is not against them -- so long as they do not wage war against Muslims on account of their religion, oppress them and drive them out of their homes."


Read carefully the letter.

Pathetic and deceptive.

Why Worry?
Why worry about the muslim extremists? It is the Democrat, leftist extremists that will kill this country. Why else would you find Osama's and Democrat talking points to be absolute copies of one another?

It is alomst as if they were working together to destroy our country. How else to explain Pelosi's/Hillary's/Kennedy's/Hoyer's/Reid's/Durbin's/Schumer's comments to be carbon copies of Osama's demands? The Democrat party is doing everything they can to destroy our country. Why else would they be using the exact same talking points?

If the Democrat party has been parroting Hitler in 1940, would there have been any doubt? Why is there any doubt now?

The Letter was a prime example of
al taqiyyah. Muslims are commanded by the quran to lie to non-muslims in order to advance their cause.

The quran clearly states there are only two countries, the nation of Islam and the nation of war. Their words of "peace" are really just a demand for us to surrender.

YMMV; but I won't submit to the brutally misogynist teachings of pedophiles and back-stabbers.

When the Islamic world bows their knees and confesses Christ is Lord (Romans 14:11, Philippians 2:9-11), we'll finally have peace. But they'll all be burning in the Lake of Fire for eternity...

So pray for them, that even a few might escape the judgement they are heaping on their own heads and those of their posterity...

The did NOT mention Christian
co-existence at all. (It amounted to let us live and do whatever we will. Do not wage war on ANY muslim, for that is war on all muslims.)
They also WON'T stop any of the killings of Christians/Jews in Indonesia, Malaysia or any where else. They didn't even try to say anything about that.
Another case of "DO WHAT I SAY, NOT WHAT I DO."
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