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Friday, July 20, 2007
Mona Charen :: Townhall.com Columnist
Democratomyopia
by Mona Charen
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"I am convinced, based on everything I have read, it won't be a hell of a lot worse than it is now." -- Rep. John P. Murtha

Jack (redeploy to Okinawa) Murtha was speaking of Iraq after an American pullout. He's not worried. Nor are most Democrats now urging America to flee Iraq. There really ought to be a name for the "it can't get worse" fallacy. For the moment, let's just call it Democratomyopia. It has a long pedigree.

One thinks of March 1975. Liberal New York Times columnist Anthony Lewis scoffed at warnings of a coming bloodbath in Southeast Asia. "Some will find the whole bloodbath debate unreal. What future possibility could be more terrible than the reality of what is happening to Cambodia now?" Most Democrats agreed with Lewis.

Six weeks later, the last Americans lifted off in helicopters from the roof of the U.S. embassy in Saigon, leaving hundreds of panicked South Vietnamese immediately behind and an entire region to the mercy of the communists. The scene was similar in Phnom Penh. The torture and murder spree that followed left millions of corpses. The psychological effect on America -- despite dozens of declarations that the Vietnam Syndrome is dead -- has not yet been transcended.

Democrats like Murtha and Rep. Lynn Woolsey ("I believe, if we leave, the region will pull together") represent the myopia school. But to be fair to the Democrats, there is another perspective; call it the TDB school, best represented by Rep. David Obey. Asked by the Los Angeles Times whether he didn't think Iraq might experience violence akin to that in Bosnia during the 1990s, Obey responded, "I wouldn't be surprised if it's horrendous. The only hope for the Iraqis is their own damned government, and there's slim hope for that."

And then, a perennial: The diplomacy first, last and always school. Sen. Carl Levin, co-sponsor of a withdrawal resolution, calls for the United Nations to appoint an Iraq mediator. (Of course! Why didn't we think of that before?) Sen. Harry Reid believes we should withdraw our forces in Iraq immediately to be replaced by "tough and strong diplomacy." Threaten me one more time with that IED, and I might just have to convene a roundtable discussion!

The Democrats have convinced themselves, once again, that the enemy is us -- or at least our fault. There was no al Qaeda in Iraq before we invaded the country, they argue. If it exists now, it's entirely our own doing. It is our presence that causes the violence in Iraq. In fact, our presence in Iraq is the greatest recruiting tool the terrorists have!

Why don't the Democrats argue that our presence in Afghanistan is equally provocative to the terrorists? One would think it would be more so. Nor is it the case that before the allied (remember the others?) invasion, Iraq was irrelevant to the terrorist threat worldwide. Saddam was a faithful and generous supporter of numerous terror groups -- a fact cited by the many Democrats who voted for the war.

But even assuming (and it's a dubious assumption) that America would be better off if Saddam were still in power, there is the problem of reality. We are faced with either perseverance and determination to support Gen. David Petraeus and his so far pretty successful strategy to stabilize the country, or we can unilaterally decide to declare defeat.

Now, if you want to see a recruiting tool for al Qaeda, you cannot possibly do better than this story line: "We chased them out of Iraq just as we chased the Soviets out of Afghanistan. They cannot defeat us! All of their smart bombs and guided missiles and up-armored Humvees cannot defeat a few soldiers of Allah!"

If the Democrats' withdrawal script is followed in Iraq, as it was in Vietnam, there is no question that the resulting violence will make today's chaos seem like an idyll. John Burns, the respected reporter for The New York Times, recently offered the view that "the United States armed forces here -- and I find this to be very widely agreed amongst Iraqis that I know, of all ethnic and sectarian backgrounds . . . are a very important inhibitor against violence. . . . I think it's a much larger truth that where American forces are present, they are inhibiting sectarian violence, and they are going after the people, particularly al Qaeda and the Shiite death squads, who are provoking that violence."

Never say "it can't get worse." It reveals a terrible poverty of imagination.

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Myopia
How would the damn Copperheads survive, if they didn't have nebbish babies to eat?

"The democrats have convinced themselves
once again, that the enemy is us, or at least our fault". We are not the enemy but it is our fault and we are responsible for:
1) al quaeda in Iraq

2) a huge increase in the # of potential terrorists who hate the US

3)more than 3000 US troop deaths plus many more thousands of debilitating injuries

4)by various counts 50,000 to 500,000 dead Iraqis

5)trillions of wasted dollars with no discerible benefit

Were we better off with Sadaam in power? The answer is too obvious to any but the most myopic and opinionated partisan!

With a little bit of luck
We can only hope that the next 9/11 attack in this country will take place in a heavily occuppied section smack in the middle of libernut land. If Americans must die, let it be the cowardly treason spewing lunitics of the left.

Hey HalO
Your comments give you away as a U.S. hating anti-semite. The minute you open your mouth and use a meaningless word like neocon and start bashing Isreal, your true colors shine. I'm not even going to bother to debate the merits of your worthless argument concerning our involvement in Iraq, but I'm going to ask you to define the word "neocon." That term suddenly became popular when Bush/Cheney was elected to the White House and brought a conservative team on board. Last time I checked I don't believe any of those folks were newly converted conservatives. I'll wait for your definition, but I doubt I'll get one.

HalO
This is slightly off-topic, but just as a matter of record, where do you see Osama bin Laden politically? Left or right?

And do you see him as primarily anti-imperialist or primarily imperialist?

I see him as far right, given that he has been associated with an extremely patriarchal government. It's always been a wonder to me why liberals and leftists talk and act as though he's on the far left.

I also see him as primarily an imperialist, as someone who wants to impose shari'a on the whole world. He's given himself away on this in various ways, one of which is that al-Qaida has targeted India as well as the U.S.

I already know you don't see him as a threat, and to some extent I agree with you. On the other hand, he represents the tip of the iceberg, and that is scarier. But what is scariest of all is the way that so many people in our media and schools refuse to see him and others like him as an imperialist. The very idea of shari'a should send chills through the blood and bones of every radical feminist, but it doesn't. Why?

Democratventriloquism
Is the disease afflicting Democrats. The only say what their Traitorous Puppetmasters (MoveOn/PeterPuffington/Soros) tell them to. The Loony Left has called in their chips and The Stampede to The Left IS ON!

WHOOPS!
Correction: 'They only say'

militant islam
In all of these discussions about Iraq, everyone ignores the true problem - militant religiosity. Iraq was never our greatest threat, militant islam was and is. There are several countries in the middle east that are strict theocracies. Our 'friend' saudi arabia is one of the worst, producing 15 of the 19 9/11 terrorists and continuing to supply the majority of iraq assailants.

How to speak Dummycrat
Ever wonder what the yammering and bleating libsheep mean when they whine and mewl? Well, our cryptographers at the VRWC HQ have just broke the code on the libsquats.

Libspeak: Our opponents refuse to compromise on this issue.

Real meaning: The Republicans refuse to do everything we want.

Libspeak: That charge is outrageous.

Real meaning: That charge is true but you shouldn't have brought it up in public.

Libspeak: We're united behind President Bush in this time of crisis for our country.

Real meaning: We're going to cut President Bush off at the knees every chance we get.

Libspeak: Honey I need a little quiet time right now.

Real meaning: I got drunk and drove a car containing a campaign worker I was boffing off a bridge. She's dead, the car is at the bottom of a tidal pool, and I have influential relatives to call and people to bribe before I call the cops so can you cut me a little slack?

Libspeak: Every vote must be counted in this election:

Real meaning: Except for the military vote because they tend to go Republican.

Libspeak: The era of big government is over.

Real meaning: But the era of Godzilla sized government is just beginning if I can help it.

Libspeak: I did not have sexual relations with that woman.

Real meaning: We had sex on every piece of furniture in the White House.

Libspeak: I think we need to take a closer look at what's going on in this industry.

Real meaning: I think we need to strangle this industry with red tape and new regulations until it's so screwed up that we have to take over.

Libspeak: We must address the root causes of this problem.

Real meaning: We must not do anything to effectively address this problem. Instead we must raise taxes and pour dump trucks worth of money into whatever unrelated issue we have decided is the cause of the problem.

Libspeak: No justice, no peace.

Real meaning: Give us money and we'll find someone else to bother.

Libspeak: He's in the pocket of big oil.

Real meaning: He was once seen filling up the tank of his car with gas.

Libspeak: I didn't inhale.

Real meaning: I was so stoned that I thought I could fly.

Libspeak: I have no information about where my former intern is.

Real meaning: That's technically true. I told the guys I hired to kill her that I didn't want to know any details.

ALL
Check my blog for the ripping and hard-hitting Chapter 7 of The Prophet. The impending revolution nears.

For Hal0 and omni
Read what Charen wrote one more time.

"Now, if you want to see a recruiting tool for al Qaeda, you cannot possibly do better than this story line: "We chased them out of Iraq just as we chased the Soviets out of Afghanistan. They cannot defeat us! All of their smart bombs and guided missiles and up-armored Humvees cannot defeat a few soldiers of Allah!" "

Twenty years from now, after the Democrats have forced us to retreat from Iraq, and after al Qaeda has grown bolder and stronger and has wrought more and more havoc all over the world under some new leader (after bin Laden dies of old age because the Democrats wouldn't let us finish the job in Iraq), the Democrats will be saying that the US "made" al Qaeda's new leader in Iraq, just like they are claiming today that we "made" bin Laden.

The invasion of Iraq has al Qaeda where we want them; fighting our armed, trained soldiers on foreign soil instead of attacking our unarmed civilians in our own streets and skyscrapers.

THAT is your "discernible benefit" omni, if you'd get your head out of your butt long enough to see it.

wiseone
Well said but sadly they won't get it! there are none so blind as those who refuse to see or in this country's case lack the courage to see.

Hey HalO
I see you crawled out from under your rock long enough to spit out the word "neocon" again, but didn't have the brainpower to define it. I didn't think you could, just saying though makes you feel intelligent and after all, that's what matters to you libtards the most--your "feelings." You can go back under your rock now.

Mrs. Charen
Thank you for your article. Sadly, I don't believe it is really about a principled withdrawal for the Dems as much as it is opportunism to once and for all make George Bush retreat to the dustbin of history.

There are some anti-war people out there who would never have gone into Afghanistan, let alone Iraq. But most of the Dems went on record that they supported the war.

However, from Day 1 they Monday morning quarterbacked, sandbagged, and did everything they could to undermine the effort, knowing that if it was ultimately successful, they might be out of power for a long time.

The negative drumbeat from the Dems and trumpeted by the MSM has been unceasing. Our troops are preparing for the invasion? - it will be a quagmire, get tens of thousands of body bags ready. Toppling Saddam in a few weeks? - just a photo op for Bush. Iraqis heading to the polls more than once and voting? - meaningless. Rebuilding schools and infrastructure? - just window dressing. Saddam and his sons captured/killed? - no one cares. A new government established by Iraqi vote? - they're corrupt, incompetent and need to stand up (sidenote to the Dem majority: look in the mirror before you throw stones, people - your track record doesn't exactly stack up with Michael Jordan's). The fledging government tries and convicts, then executes Saddam in a court of law proceeding? - ho hum. Zarqawi killed? - this will only make them madder and create more of them. Petraeus' surge seems to be showing some signs of working? - no hope or encouragement that it may continue to improve and help our soldiers and their cause, only a hypocritical demand for him to pull out now, two months before the earliest possible date he said we could fairly assess its progress. Stomach wrenching atrocities by Al Queda? - there's no outrage at them, only at Bush. How many terrorists we have killed? - no one seems to know and I haven't heard the Dems even ask the question.

However, Abu Ghraib, suicide bomb attacks, any increases in violence, alleged Koran flushings at Gitmo, any and all forms of bad news, are all pounded on relentlessly.

Sadly, I believe if a Dem were the President, the vitriol would be nowhere near as incessant and the opposition would be far more muted. I think you would have Repubs saying, "Show us the progress, we're concerned"; and the Dems would be saying, "Sit down and shut up, you can't fight a war in the ME on a timetable; if we pull out now it will be a bloodbath and you will be responsible"; don't disrespect the troops; MYOB it's the CIC prerogative and you endorsed it, etc.

It is to their shame that it is mostly, if not all, about politics and power.

Oh "wiseone"
To quote, "Twenty years from now, after the Democrats have forced us to retreat from Iraq, and after al Qaeda has grown bolder and stronger and has wrought more and more havoc all over the world under some new leader (after bin Laden dies of old age because the Democrats wouldn't let us finish the job in Iraq)". Only one small detail missing here...Osama is not IN Iraq! So he'll probably die of old age anyway, because we sure as heck have not caught him yet. So his death will not be due to the Americans in Iraq, it will be due to the folks who find him wherever he is.

wiseone
GREAT POINT! And our military is killing these vermin whereever and whenever they stick their heads up. Also, more and more Iraqis help us everyday when they see US sticking by them. The only ones wishing for defeat is al-Qaeda and their allies the Dhimmicrats sliming the halls of Congress.

LC
How do you know bin Laden isn't in Iraq? Since we don't seem to know where he is he could be anywhere. Or is that too logical for you?

And since even the left admits (proclaims, actually) that al Qaeda is surely in Iraq now, and since our best chance of catching top al Qaedas comes from catching the smaller fish and getting them to talk, does it even occur to you that our chances of catching OBL are BETTER if we stay in Iraq until we finish? Of course not! That doesn't fit your pre-determined action line that we must retreat.

Gunny
That's right. We want our military fighting this scum. Whether Bush anticipated it this way or whether it's just luck doesn't matter. What matters is we are kicking their butts.

What the left actually fears most is what they feared with Reagan; that GWB will succeed. They ridiculed Reagan and fought him tooth and nail for 8 years while he fought the Cold War. Then, shortly after they thought they were rid of him the Berlin Wall came down and he was proven right.

Want to do a test? Ask any lib if Reagan deserves the credit for that. Then watch and listen while they try to find a way to say no and still sound sane. It's always good for a laugh.

Yo Wiseone
You said:

"The invasion of Iraq has al Qaeda where we want them; fighting our armed, trained soldiers on foreign soil instead of attacking our unarmed civilians in our own streets and skyscrapers."

You are very wise. Unfortunately, some of the posters on this thread are suffering from a severe case of Cranial Rectilitis and cannot see the forest for the trees.
An ole Korean War Vet

wiseone
But didn't you know the Cold War was an economic war? LOL!!!!!!! You must have missed that idiotic post yesterday. As to your post to LC, the stock answer will be "But Al Qaida was not in Iraq before we got there!"

Hardcase is right. They post the sam old dribble over and over. I like his shortcuts, saves time.

HalO
So you espouse on politics and the political spectrum but you have no clue as to what it means or what it is comprised of. Stricken from the record? Really I think there are alot of PolySci profs that would beg to differ. That comment also tells me you do not understand the broader world of which you live in or how it came to be.

wiseone
Scaramouche sneaked back to the Coulter thread late last night and did a hatchet job on you.
You might want to check it out incase you run into him again.

MyOpine
I was writing my epic to Scaramouche while you posted the correct response; we should not read her blather.

It fits that she would wait until normal people who have jobs have all gone to bed before responding.

HalO
Me: "The very idea of shari'a should send chills through the blood and bones of every radical feminist, but it doesn't."

You: "Possibly because they are confident enough in their beliefs-- rightly or not-- to think that sharia law won't catch on and cannot be imposed."

It was imposed on Afghanistan by the Taliban. And when that happened, what did the feminists do? Nothing. Were there campus protests? No. Were there angry letters to the editor of the NY Times or the Nation? No. Four years later, my wife got an e-mail petition denouncing them.

And it wasn't as though nothing could have been done. Feminists could have demanded, before the Taliban took over all of Afghanistan, that action be taken, either by our government or some other government, to strengthen one of the Taliban's opponents (like the warlord General Dostum). But they did nothing.

And the reason they did nothing was that for the radical feminists, America is the only real enemy, which is why it took four years for even that pathetic e-mail petition to be circulated.

JFP
Aren't you being a little harsh toward the religion of peace?
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/somalis-to-behead-those-who-dont-pray-5-times-a-day


Scaramouche
Are you a "he" or a "she"?

The modern day Samson
Like Samson the mighty, consecrated to God since birth, America the super power, was a Christian nation by birth. Samson was betrayed to his enemy by his woman Delilah for silvers. Unfortunately the “other half” of Uncle Sam seems determined also to “prod him with nagging day after day until he’s tired to death.”

Above is a quote from “Behold, 666 is here”. For more details, please click
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/chow051007.htm

HalO is a brave man
Apparently, all these emperors don't like to be told that they have no clothes, but that doesn't change the fact that they're naked. It's interesting that about two thirds of Americans want us out of Iraq, ASAP, yet you wingnuts call anyone who has such a rational opinion a "traitor" or a "coward"? Essentially, you're saying this country is filled with traitors and cowards. Wouldn't that make you idiots anti-American?

JFP
Wait a second, are you saying that the conservatives were trying to draw attention to the situation in Afghanistan before 9/11? Does your growing nose get in the way of your typing?
As far as I know, the only groups trying to draw attention to the horrors of the Taliban before 9/11 were feminist groups and humanitarian groups like Human Rights Watch. Unfortunately, geniuses like you were too busy trying to marginalize these groups as "Marxist" (or whatever you say to smear those you disagree with), so their "pathetic" (as you called them) cries went unheard. Want to see hwo to blame for this nation ignoring genocide? Take a long look in the mirror.

Hey there Learned Hand
Tell us again about how wealthy you are and how luckey we are to have a man of your importance visit us here at TH.
Oh and by the way, do you keep all that wealth in your freezer?
Did you have any money before you went to work for the DA's office?

You know, it is very rare to hear a wealthy man boast of his money. They would rather boast about a big fish they caught.
Every time someone boasts of wealth here at TH they turn out to be a fake.
Are you a fake Learned hand?

The Dems know
that the massacre that will follow will not be reported in the mainstream news, so they don't care. Secondly, they just don't care about what happens to other people as long as they get what they want. You know, critical issues, such as banning nativity scenes, harassing schoolkids for praying, and legalizing gay marriage.

GunnyG
I went to you web site. I learned a long time ago that emblem was a seagull sitting on a beach ball with an anchor....

CT; nothing matters to a people with no moral foundation. They know news is not news unless it runs on the TV ten times. They will run the story once, then write a book and make a movie blaming Bush. The story will end happily ever after in LA LA land.

"The Killing Fields" would be a good movie to run every night on TV. People who care about their fellow human beings don't want to see part two.

Learned Hand
I never said anything about the conservatives. All I'm saying is that the feminist response to the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan was, as far as I could see, nothing but silence. Think about the feminist response to Larry Summers' mild statement about the capabilities of women in math and science and then contrast that with what they said and did about the Taliban.

I should add that my wife is a college professor and I am constantly surrounded by leftists. If there had been any major activity concerning the Taliban, I would have heard about it.

Hal0
writes, "just as neocon conceptions of "democracy" cannot be imposed on Iraq or, indeed, on many other countries"

Cannot be or should not be? Spoken like a true elite. When your Chavez,Castro,Lenin loving hero Hillary gets voted into office, you might be made the new cabinet head of the Ministry of Truth. I'll be cancelling out your vote though. Does that tick you off?

I married into a very partisan democratic family ten years ago and, through carefully placed comments and questions, I have many of them questioning their party affiliation. When my stepson told his grandmother he was going to be a republican at age 15 and she about fainted, it was one of the proudest days of my life. Just trying to do my bit for God and country you know.

btw Mona
Very good column.

Learned Hand, have you never heard
of the term " what is popular is not always right and what is right is not always popular."

Learned Hand, the reason
this war is gotten so unpopular is because the mainscream media does our enemies propaganda work for them and they beat our populas over the head with it every day in and day out.

you might ask well why would they want to help the enemy?

because the main scream media are tools of the democrats and a sucsesful war on these Islamo/facist nutjobs would only help republicans and the Democrats are so hungry for power that they are willing to sell out their country for it.
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