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Friday, April 18, 2008
Mike Gallagher :: Townhall.com Columnist
Something Pretty Ugly: Cults and Bill Maher
by Mike Gallagher
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Imagine what it would be like to feel safe and secure in your home. Suddenly, armed law enforcement officials, carrying assault weapons and wearing body armor, come roaring into your house saying that an allegation of child abuse was made and your children must be pried from their mothers’ loving arms and held by the state, possibly even being shuttled into foster care, all while you tried to figure out how this could have possibly happened.

I just returned from San Angelo and Eldorado, Texas where I took my radio show to cover the bizarre story of the showdown between the State of Texas and the members of a peculiar polygamist sect called the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

This sect lives, works and worships on a giant tract of land called the YFZ Ranch which sits in the middle of nowhere in West Texas. Everything about this group is odd: the way they talk, their belief in the illegal act of men taking multiple wives, pretty much everything about their lifestyle is downright unusual.

But I’m hoping we haven’t gotten to a point in America where a group of people who worship and live in ways we don’t particularly agree with or understand can have their children ripped from their homes by the state.

Before you accuse me of defending child molestation or abuse, let me assure you that I fully expect the authorities to prosecute, convict and jail anyone who has committed the heinous act of sexually harming a child.

However, doesn’t something feel ominous and wrong about the way the authorities have handled this?

Let’s examine a few pertinent facts. So far, not a single person has been arrested and charged with anything. Evidently, a female who claimed to be a 16 year old member of this group made several phone calls to an abuse hotline claiming that a man named Dale Barlow, her spiritual “husband”, impregnated her against her will.

While I was in San Angelo, I interviewed Barlow’s attorney, a man named Bruce Griffen, who emphatically stated that the allegation will be pretty difficult to prove considering the fact that his client hasn’t set foot in Texas since 1977 and has never been on the property in his life.

Besides, why haven’t the police arrested him?

Based on what callers to my radio show from all over the country are saying, there is a great deal of concern over the lack of due process in this entire affair. It seems reasonable to believe that if Child Protective Services believes that a bunch of men in a religious compound are molesting young girls, they would round up the men, not hundreds of screaming, terrified children. As one emailer put it to me, it seems like it’s the children who were arrested instead of the perpetrators.

Again, no one wants child molesters to get away with their evil crimes. But not every allegation of abuse is true. Prosecutors don’t always get it right. Does the Duke Lacrosse “rape” scandal ring any bells?

I just hope we’re not witnessing a process of stripping away any and all civil rights from a group of people who don’t appear to the outside world to be “normal.”

I’ve heard a lot of people say some pretty ugly things about this group. “Did you see those strange women on TV? Don’t they talk weirdly? I think they’re brainwashed. What a bunch of kooks.”

Those same kinds of things have been said about mainstream Christians for years now by prominent TV personality Bill Maher.

I think we should consider the vile, blasphemous Maher before casting aspersions on this religious sect in West Texas.

Last week, Maher stood up before his HBO audience and declared Pope Benedict a former Nazi. He called the Catholic Church a cult that routinely condones child abuse. He mocked the Pontiff’s arrival in the U.S. by saying, “He wears funny hats and hey, ladies – he’s single!” And he actually compared the sacrament of receiving Holy Communion to a homosexual sex act.

Bill Maher, who was dumped from ABC-TV after he suggested that the 9/11 terrorists were somehow braver than the U.S. military, continues to spew his filth and hatred on HBO each and every week. He is routinely interviewed by Larry King on CNN, as if this hatemonger has anything positive or instructive to offer anyone. Poor Larry leans forward and hangs onto every word Maher says as if he was listening to Albert Einstein explaining the theory of relativity.

The same kinds of things that many Americans are saying about the polygamist cult right now passes for the “wisdom and insightfulness” of HBO’s Bill Maher on the subject of Christians.

You know, Bill Maher loves bullying people of faith. But if he was really as tough as he wants people to think he is, he’d mock and ridicule the prophet Mohammed. It would be fascinating to watch what would happen to Bill Maher’s career if he attacked Muslims, Jews or blacks the way he bashes Christians.

Maher doesn’t have any more of a free speech right to slander the Pope and smear Catholics any more than HBO has a right to fire him. Being paid a ton of money to appear weekly on a cable TV network is a privilege, not a right. Let’s hope HBO comes to its senses. Let Maher spew his filth in a seedy comedy club for a hundred bucks a night, which is right where he belongs.

Meantime, let’s all watch the unfolding saga of the polygamist sect in West Texas closely.

I respect and love this country.

But the government doesn’t always get it right.

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No such thing as blasphemy
And there's no such thing as the right to not be offended.

Just Plain Wrong on this one
We aren't talking about a religous group operating with the free choice and consent of its members. This is a 20th century cult. You are told how to live and what to believe. You are brought up in this way of life and taught that anything outside of whats around you is evil. Even if people were allowed to freely go in and out of the compound as they pleased, I would give this to you, but that wasn't the case. Since they were born, these kids are brought up to believe something with no exposure to an alternative. They have a bed inside the "holy" temple for goodness sakes! The government was right to invade, and I'm thankful that now at least these kids will have a choice. They will have a choice in who they want to marry. They will have a choice in how they live their life. Best of all, they will have a choice in who they will place their faith in.

I hope
they did this on the up and up or it will all be for naught. It won't stand in court and the cretins will get away with it.

knight of baaaaaa
If there is no such thing as the right not to be offended then please explain Don Imus getting fired. Please explain George Allen and the macaca uproar.

Need I go on?

I see you like to practice PC'ism very selectively.

Hypocrite.

Try living up to the standards you liberal ignoramus' created just for once.

The Catholic Church Did Support Nazis
Bill Maher mispoke about the pope being a Nazi. It wasn't Pope Benedict who was a Nazi, it was Pope Pius the XII. He aided Hitler in hunting down and murder the Jews. Everybody knows that, it's an undisputed fact. What Bill Maher has done is set to light with humor the real religious facists in our country, and it isn't Muslims. The muslim terrorists come from the middle east, but the home-brewed haters are in the Catholic Church. Think about it. They controlled the entertainment media for decades between 1934 and 1968. The Catholic League's president, William Don-of-Puke, callled on homosexuals to apologize for flaunting their homosexuality, not to mention trying to insult secular Jews because they appparently control Hollywood. They have been trying to take away our rights to birth control and contraception. That, I believe, is vile and disgusting.
God bless you, Bill Maher, for standing up for the truth. And may God have mercy on the souls of these haters in the Catholic Church.

To Chiliblink
If I read your comment correctly I could easily imagine you were talking about our Muslim "friends?". Do you believe that honor killings are better? How about the disgusting habit of washing feet in public and us sheep paying for it. I also think a few beheadings would probably keep the nose of CPS out. Oh wait just the threat keeps all the bureaucrats away. Meanwhile, the children get shipped of to the ME. Is this govt wonderful or what?

So Bill Maher called the Catholic Church
a "cult that routinely condones child abuse"?

I'm sorry, what exactly is the CONTROVERSY in that? Is there something I'm not getting? The Catholic Church routinely covered up the abuse & tried to let it blow over by letting the statutes of limitations run out.

Like Bill Maher said, if the Catholic Church was a BUSINESS, a colossal daycare center, with the Pope as CEO, and thousands of children were sodomized in this daycare center, people would be outraged. The Pope could be brought up on criminal charges if he were brought to court & we could prove his complicity.


Warren Jeffs on Polygamy & his confessio
Warren Jeffs Confession part 1

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9fePt8-VndY

Part 2 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MQoknKRBqhw

Part 3 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=u4t1EpxEsvg

Warren Jeffs Explaining POLYGAMY

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fbudqrmFSDs

Warren Jeffs #2 Cont. on Polygamy

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=RkXA2JxGrJw

Warren Jeffs #3 Continued on Polygamy

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JWzXCdehMI4

Warren Jeffs Negro Race Part 1

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nSgZzTkYiz4

Part 2 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eVzQZm75Nco

part 3 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nXo8qNxUlCU

part 4 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=L6TNp63ZCZ0

part 5 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BSKHLbxkkec

part 6 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=x7YI3Q6U4Bw

part 7 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8GUEpNbPxx4

Geneaolgy Tracking in Salt Lake City Les &

Jolene http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=X3mqagTzJt4

Underground Railroad The Fawn Girls & Flora

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HonSp_Lmjrk

The Evil Swept part 1

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDsNzzCyCS4

Warren Jeffs Negro Race Part 1

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=nSgZzTkYiz4


They did arrest the children
And if this is correct, they arrested them under false accusations.
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quote:
Let’s examine a few pertinent facts. So far, not a single person has been arrested and charged with anything. Evidently, a female who claimed to be a 16 year old member of this group made several phone calls to an abuse hotline claiming that a man named Dale Barlow, her spiritual “husband”, impregnated her against her will.

While I was in San Angelo, I interviewed Barlow’s attorney, a man named Bruce Griffen, who emphatically stated that the allegation will be pretty difficult to prove considering the fact that his client hasn’t set foot in Texas since 1977 and has never been on the property in his life.

Besides, why haven’t the police arrested him?
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According to the law, no person can be detained without a due process of law.
Suspicion is just cause to investigate only, not imprison.
Accusations are not legal authority for an arrest.
If it were, then all of us are subject to being arrested from someone's accusation.
Sounds more like Nazi Germany's methods to me.
To arrest someone and not allow them freedom of movement is false imprisonment.

To belong to a cult or a sect is not against any law, no matter how bad they are despised.
Doesn't matter what these people believe in as long as they are not breaking any law.

Why did not Texas authorities track down the accused and arrest him if they thought the phone call was all the evidence they needed for an arrest?

Its outrageous to separate these children from their mothers.
No call for that whatsoever.
Its a blatant abuse of authority in my judgment.


Maher is a loud mouth punk
Last week, Maher stood up before his HBO audience and declared Pope Benedict a former Nazi. He called the Catholic Church a cult that routinely condones child abuse. He mocked the Pontiff’s arrival in the U.S. by saying, “He wears funny hats and hey, ladies – he’s single!” And he actually compared the sacrament of receiving Holy Communion to a homosexual sex act.
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He is one of the biggest cowards in America, whose only fight is with his slimy mouth.
He blasphemes Christians and their faith constantly, all the while he gets protected by a mostly Christian nation.
He is damned lucky Christian are not like muslims, his head would have been separated from his fornicating body long ago.

He dare not talk about the muslims as he freely does Christians though, they are not about to allow this pervert to blaspheme their faith and he knows it, so fearfully remains silent.
Maybe Christians should become like they get accused by idiots these days and just be the 'crusaders' of the 21st century.

Take his head off seems like a good rallying cry to me.

He is a punk and a coward

Maher Is No 'Comedian'
Why anyone would think this Christophobe and all-out degenerate is "funny" is beyond me. Notice on his shows - whether "[Un]Real Time" or his more recent stand-up specials - every single time he makes one of these anti-religious or Bush-hating comments - or those agreeing with Al Gore's "global warming" scare-mongering, or even pushing the "legalize marijuana" mantra despite all medical evidence that it is actually detrimental and harmful (evidence which he cavalierly dismisses out of hand, B.T.W.) - the studio audiences cheer and applaud - BECAUSE THEY AGREE WITH THIS P.C.-INFESTED, FAR-LEFT LOWLIFE AND HIS SPEWS - ER, VIEWS. I haven't heard anything resembling laughter from such audiences on a Maher show in years.

To 'talentscout' . . .
. . . about the arrests: This seems to sound like a prelude to the kind of government-committed slaughter/atrocities that took place at Ruby Ridge and Waco under Bill Clinton and his AG, Janet Reno. Also, it has been suggested that the lesbian feminist lobby was behind these particular accusations.

Let's see
As far as Bill and his comments about the Pope and his active invovlment in the whole abuse scandle it appears that he is correct. And I do not like the SOB I did catch the last part of the show when he made his remarks and I have to say I find it hard to disagree with him.

The other thought is why is the State of Texas oushing for this PERAMENT Status when the Tempory Status could hold up so that all involved can get TRUE DUE PROCESS? The rush makes me think that something is a foot. I am crious as to how will all of this shake out if the call that started all of this was a HOAX? If so will all the other warrants be able to stand? It seams to me that if the first part was a hoax then all the other information found would not be allowed in any court because the first warrant was BULLs***. But one thing for sure is the RULE OF LAW must apply everytime. If we look the otherway because we are sickened by this activty what will be the next thing that sickens someone else so the RULE OF LAW will be TRAMPLED UNDER FOOT? This is a STEEP and SLIPERY SLOOP we are sliding down but, we as a country can not see the forrest for the trees.

Like the author stated how would you fel if your front door was kiced in and your family taken away because of a phone call that was a set-up by "friend" who thinks they know what's best and if the have to lie then so be it vor them???? A for the record this has happened many times all around the United States of American and else where.... Think about get beyond the FLDS and the things we are well sickened by but how do we know it is the TRUTH??? And don't tell me about the women who escaped because they are bias and have an agenda that they are pushing.... So STOP AND USE YOUR BRIAN AND THINK AND LISTEN AND RESEARCH do not just take the word of the media or the Dtate of Texas. We know they are more than willing to tell the half turths to the public behind them in a case like this. Does WACO or Ruby Ridge come to mind?

Normally do not waste time on twits
not going to tell you writes: 2:07 AM
talent scout
OK slow down. There's a lot not to like about evangelicals. Let's start with the egeomania surrounding the whole - "I'm going to heaven and you're not" premise. Ughh, I can't continue due to extreme boredom with your unreasonable hatred of Maher.
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ts:
Its over, nothing to start
I do not care what you think.
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not going to tell you writes
I don't agree with everything he says, but even you should agree with his freedom to say it - if you really are an American.
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ts:
If I disagreed, I would be trying to stop him.
I do it by never tuning the punk in to begin with.
You hold no standing with me, so same for you as for your punk buddy.

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not going to tell you writes
Or does your wife wear a veil and do everything you tell her for fear of a beating?

You sound like a hypocrite to me.
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ts:
Just as long as I have the right to not be as stupid as you are, I can go on with Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
And be glad I am not an idiot such as you show you are.
bye punk

Waco and Ruby Ridge
a Concerned American writes: 2:31 AM
To 'talentscout' . . .
. . . about the arrests: This seems to sound like a prelude to the kind of government-committed slaughter/atrocities that took place at Ruby Ridge and Waco under Bill Clinton and his AG, Janet Reno. Also, it has been suggested that the lesbian feminist lobby was behind these particular accusations.
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Were horrible examples of abuse of power.
Especially Waco.


Was this sect
plotting to take over every aspect of American government and push their beliefs down on everybody else forcefully? No, that would be our moslem "friends," who have professed their desire to instill sharia law as the highest authority in our land. The gubmint leaves them alone though doesn't it? But the gubmint goes after a bunch of kooky cultists keeping to themselves in the Texas desert.

Good to see our gubmint has their priorities straight.

People - these cultists are lawbreakers
And they are teaching their children to be lawbreakers. I can't believe that Gallagher who slammed the LDS faith back a few months ago is now DEFENDING the sick and twisted FLDS - trying to make them seem like a legitimate faith! They are NOT. They rape young girls and brainwash their children. Get a clue, folks. The state of Texas is exactly right to step in and find out if these kids are living in an environment that is harmful to them.

Get these poor kids outta there! Good for Texas. No child should be forced to grow up in such circumstances. I hope all these kids somehow get a chance at a normal life. And I would really love all the sicko men to go to jail.

What's with the women? They don't protect their own daughters! They ARE all a bunch of kooks. I actually feel sorry for them, but I'll never believe they have a right to raise children this way.

What Gallagher said, and I agree with is
that when any other child abuse/sexual molestation charge is brought

IT IS THE ABUSER THAT IS TAKEN FROM THE FAMILY.

NOT THE CHILDREN!

Instead of arresting ONE man, they *took into protective custody* over 400 (YES FOLKS, THAT IS FOUR HUNDRED!) children.

Who ALL have to have lawyers.
Who ALL have to be subjected to sexual abuse scans.
Who ALL are being terrorized by this upheaval.

And some of the boys get to go to some Texas boys' camp (we KNOW what happened at one of those, don't we?)

Personally, I don't give a rat's behind for the sect. MAYBE the children should be taken, but NOT LIKE THIS! AND ONLY AFTER *DUE PROCESS* not some scam or hoax.

As for that twit
that is what he is, and why any one listens to him is beyond me.

If they would only go after gangs
First They Came for the Jews

First they came for the Jews,
and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the communists,
and I did not speak out because I was not a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

– Pastor Martin Niemöller

Christian polygamy
Not all of Gallagher's Christian brethren seem to think that the "former" practice of polygamy in the LDS church is, as he writes, "odd" or "downright unusual":

http://christianpolygamy.com/





Selective Enforcement
I've delivered hundereds of babies, many to 15 and 16 year old mothers. I have never seen CPS try to track down the age of the fathers.

Why doesn't the government track down minor girls getting abortions, statutory rape by definition, often procured by pedophiles to cover their crimes?

The selective enforcement of these allegations are very troubling, simply because they are viewed as strange.

So the children are ripped from their parents, to be placed in foster care. I take care of victims of this broken system every day. It is outrageous the state will traumatize these families - most justified through guilt by association.

The system will "educate" these children all about drug use, promiscuity, and other course ways of our "modern" and "sophisticated" world they would not have otherwise known.

Instead of being teen brides, it is more likely that they will be single teen moms, starting a new cycle of broken families.

P.S. - What was with the Baptist Church vans taking the children from their homes? Really, not the best way to evangelize.

PC
Whoa, PC!!

Why is it okay for a man and a man, or a woman and a woman to get "married," but three people can't get "married" to each other? Who the hell are you to judge? Marriage isn't about one man and one woman anymore, don't you know. What harm can it possibly do? There's absolutely no evidence that polygamy does any more harm to children than any other "marriage" arrangement.

Explain to me how polygamy is a danger to you or to tranditional heterosexual marriage in any way.

Doc and Bob_C...
Your both make some excellent points.


Poor Bob
We did come with a "book of instructions" which, I guess, you have never read. If you had, you would know what harm and dangers there are to such actions.

the7sticks
I don't know if anyone bothered to dispute your "facts", but I am here to do just that. Your calling something a fact doesn't make it so. There is no legitimate source for your outrageous

Still waiting to hear the evidence
It is odd that they rounded up the children; however, I do not have the evidence they had and, after working with lawyers for 21 years I know very well that what gets in the media is generally a distorted version of 1% of the evidence and the shouts of those who got there first and put their version of the *facts* out into the public arena.

Since polygamy is illegal in Texas as it is in the entire United States of America, and since sex with underaged girls as clearly defined is illegal, precedent in law says that we are not permitted to break the law by calling it Religion. (Ask the Natives who routinely try to say that using drugs is part of their religion.) And incidentally, it is ironic that those who relentlessly campaign to have religion banished from the public arena altogether are willing to make an exception for anything that involves unrestricted sex.

Baptist Church buses
The state of Texas officials may or may not have done the right thing but there was no reason for the Baptist buses to be hauling those children away. It creates the impression that the Baptist Church had something to do with it. Why was the Baptist Church involved in this? Was this complaint faked to oppress some of another religion? Why was the Baptist Church even notified of the existence of this raid?

Rosita Swinton arrested
Rosita Swinton (unsure of spelling of last name) was arrested in Colorado for making the phone call. She is a 33 yr old woman who seems to have a history of making calls and giving false information. Rosita's picture shows a woman with a dark complexion. No further background info has been given about her on the news.