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Friday, January 04, 2008
Mike Gallagher :: Townhall.com Columnist
Iowa Is No Florida
by Mike Gallagher
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Isn’t the love/hate relationship that Republicans are having with Gov. Mike Huckabee fascinating?

Conservative pundits don’t seem content to express a degree of being uncomfortable with the GOP Iowa caucus winner. They’re simply trashing him. Some of the vitriol I’ve seen and heard is the type of stuff we professional blowhards usually reserve for liberal extremists like Hillary or Nancy Pelosi.

But in Iowa, it obviously didn’t stick. Iowans rejected the claims that Huckabee is a “RINO” (Republican-in-name-only), a tax-loving, pro-illegal immigrant, big government kind of guy and gave him a relatively easy Iowa win, a victory that came after weeks and weeks of polls showing Gov. Mitt Romney benefiting from the tons of money he spent there.

The story of a candidate who was outspent in a key race by about 20 to 1 surging to victory is an impressive one. And Gov. Huckabee and his staff and volunteers are to be congratulated for the Iowa win.

But to put it simply: Iowa ain’t Florida.

Our media-driven fascination with the Iowa caucuses is well established, but deceptive. Year after year, we’ve seen candidates take Iowa and fail to capture the presidential nomination.

I don’t say that to throw a wet blanket on the Huckabee victory. It’s just a fact that bears repeating in the midst of the news media hyperventilating over Iowa.

Mayor Rudy Giuliani barely scored any votes at all in Iowa but seems perfectly content to focus on Florida and Texas (and yes, New Hampshire) with a sort of confidence that a presidential nominee needs to have.

And like many other issues, I think Rudy “gets it.”

Early on, the Giuliani camp saw that Iowa was going to be a Romney/Huckabee story for Republicans. And it was. Giuliani has a political instinct well suited for this nationwide race and I believe he’s going to do quite well, well enough to secure the nomination.

But then again, I’m just a pundit with an opinion, the type of opinion that a bunch of Mitt Romney supporters saw fall apart in Iowa.

It’s hard to tell why so many Republican voices, outside of Iowa, seem to despise Mike Huckabee. Frankly, many of them sound positively afraid of him.

I can’t tell if it’s because they truly believe he’s a liberal, tax and spend Dem in a Republican’s clothing or there is something else going on here.

But watching him on Jay Leno’s “Tonight Show” the other night gave me some insight into what so many might be worried about.

Leno asked Gov. Huckabee about his past career as a Baptist minister and his transition to politics. Huckabee replied that he felt it was time to “get out of the stands” and go to work on behalf of the poor and disadvantaged.

So the ministry is a job “in the stands?” Preaching the gospel and saving souls is something one does from the sidelines? And to REALLY get in the game, one becomes a governmental public servant?

Perhaps the reason so many are worried about Mike Huckabee’s current popularity is because he’s actually a guy who believes that the solution to all of our woes is the government, not churches or charities. On Jay Leno’s show, he gave us a glimpse into who he truly is, a guy who leaves the ministry (“the stands”) and wants to be part of the government because he feels that government is the answer to everything.

That’s classic liberalism.

Time will tell whether Americans will figure that out or not.

But in the meantime, remember how unique Iowa really is.

One tiny state does not a president make.

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Mike Huckabee
The last part of the post explains thngs quite well, IMO. You cannot call yourself a conservative when you honestly think that the G is the solution to what ails us. The G IS what ails us! It is the G that robs every working person worse than the Barbary Pirates ever robbed anyone, it is the G that has made "American public education" a punchline, and it is the G that thinks that it should regulate every part of our lives. If you strip away names and faces and look at records, you would be hard pressed to know the difference between Rudy, Huckabee, and Hillary! That's the very reason that so many conservatives lack trust in Huck...he is just another liberal masquerading as a conservative!

Gallagher, Flagwaver
You guys are right on. There is no visible way i would ever vote for Huck, Rudy or McCain. Left wing, big Govt elitists all.

In the stands?
Huckabee thinks that being President is a higher calling than preaching the Gospel?

Government, fundamentally, is about force. Whether elected by the people or imposed upon the people, government forces the will of the majority onto the minority, keeping anarchy at bay. Far too many of Huckabee's comments reveal that he would attempt to use government force to enforce his personal do-gooder agenda. Thanks, but no thanks. We've already been down that road too many times.

I suggest that Mr. Huckabee return to the "stands" and carry on with a higher calling. If he doesn't wish to serve as a minister any longer, there are any number of ministries where he can do much more good for individuals and society than he could as President.


The End of Conservatism
The pundits hate or fear Mike Huckabee because he represents the end of Conservatism. The lure of liberal politics is seductive. Appeal to emotions, feelings, identity; express empathy for the masses, and indignation for the successful. It depends on a relative stupidity in the electorate.

Now, in the middle of a Republican National Primary, is a man running a classic liberal campaign. The message isn't aimed at the traditional rock ribbed Republican; free market, individual liberties, self reliant, crowd. It's aimed at the gullible and the victim class - and at least in Iowa - it worked.

It is difficult to imagine, that if Republican Primary voters choose a classic liberal, that conservatism in national politics is not dead - or at least very, very ill.

Glad your pro choice colors are out
for all to see Mike. What would you know about what a minister should do? Your too busy supporting Joe Francis and bashing the church you left. I can see not supporting Huckabee - but taxpayer funded partial birth aboriton Rudy? Whether he's slightly changed this or not, anybody with these views or who ever held these views will not get my vote period. And rudy is barely leading in Florida, where he's been the only person campaiging for months. He can't even win a one person race.

Gee
Ain’t democracy a drag? If only there was a way to make people vote the way you guys say they should.

Flagwaver: If it is “The G IS what ails us!” and “It is the G that robs every working person worse than the Barbary Pirates ever robbed anyone”, then you are calling for anarchy. In that case, you don’t need to have elections.

Savage99: so you’re going to vote democrat then?

MikeR
Darn, man. You have just totally insulted Savage99. The feeling of dread that accompanies Mike Huckabee is underpinned by his populist, compassionate conservative leanings. It represents four more years of open borders, reckless fiscal policies, govt expansion and intrusion- democrat lite, if you will. Savage and the rest of us want to see a candidate that eschews big gummint but also believes in a strong, proactive foreign policy. Who is that?

Tell it like it is
"Iowans rejected the claims that Huckabee is a “RINO” (Republican-in-name-only), a tax-loving, pro-illegal immigrant, big government kind of guy"

That's too bad.

Because that's what Huckabee really is.

Five stars
Mr. Gallagher contributes a superb, concise and 100% on-target column. Huckabee is indeed signaling the end of conservative thought, and I dread the thought of him winning the nomination.

I have said for a long time -- and still say -- that anyone who leaves the Christian ministry to become a politician deserves intense scrutiny and question. Maybe if he had left to become a teacher, a nurse, a missionary, then I might believe it. But I cannot believe that a genuine Christian minister who is madly in love with God and the word of God would leave the preaching of the Gospel to become a politician.

Mike Huckabee is liberal through and through. A hard look at his political record as governor illustrates this with no doubt. He is simply a Democrat and a liberal, a big-government supporter, who is against abortion and against gun control -- for now anyway. Those two platforms could change just as easily as his love for being a minister of God changed.

Gallagher says: "It’s hard to tell why so many Republican voices, outside of Iowa, seem to despise Mike Huckabee. Frankly, many of them sound positively afraid of him." I don't think it's Mike we're afraid of. I personally am afraid of tons of stupid, religious-driven evangelicals who are wanting to cast votes for, and thinking that they are casting votes for, Pastor in Chief.

Iowa isn't Florida, that's true. It's also not Texas or Minnesota or New Jersey. That this country allows a silly little state like Iowa and its ridiculous "caucus" system to drive anything as important as electing a president is beyond logic. The USA and its political system need one major overhaul superfast, like tomorrow...lest we end up with a behavior-dictating ex-pastor for President. Woe is all of us if that happens.


DAVID SLAYS GOLIATH - AGAIN!!!!
Mike,
Remember the story? The OLD Guard stood by while the new kid on the block took things in his own hands. The OLD Guard laughed and scoffed and had given up. David had a different idea. David was optimistic and believed in the basic principles that would take him to victory.

Then, when David won, the Establishment ganged up on him. They were afraid of the people who supported him. They were afraid the people who wanted David to become King.

Well, looks like you are part of the Establishment in this repeat of history, Mr Gallagher.

There was much more to David than what the Establishment could see. There's much more to Huckabee than what you can see now.

But, think about what Huck accomplished against money, against the DC establishment, against FOX and all of the conservative commentators (except Medved). Then think of what will happen when all those conservative forces rally around Huckabee! WOW!

Remember, David built his country into the wealthiest country of his time!

You'll eventually get it. We still want you.




He Took a Muckin' and Kept on Huckin'
Mike,

Your last paragraph was insightful. It is hoped that Governor Huckabee is mostly talking about government getting out of the way. That was what he said in his "victory" speech. That the middle class largely struggles from fighting against its most difficult competitor, the government regulations and taxes.

I think you are also right that the rank and file conservative is not listening to its leaders. That is too bad (for the leaders).

You are in danger of underestimating the Governor's broader appeal. First, many folks in our caucus were older folks whose bootstraps approach to life was reflected in Huckabee

Also, Iowa's Republicans are not that different from Republican's in many other places. Nationwide Evangelicals make up a large portion of the GOP electorate in many places.

Huckabee vs. Giuliani
crescen7 writes: "Now, in the middle of a Republican National Primary, is a man running a classic liberal campaign. The message isn't aimed at the traditional rock ribbed Republican; free market, individual liberties, self reliant, crowd."

That's Huckabee's message.
BUT it is definitely NOT Giuliani's message.

If you social conservatives can put aside the abortion and gay marriage issues for just a moment: Tell me what about Giuliani's ECONOMIC policies makes you think of him as a "RINO". Tell me what about Giuliani's FOREIGN policies makes you think of him as a "RINO".

It seems to me that the only reason why some conservatives think Giuliani is a "RINO" is because he's pro-choice. They should remember:

Barry Goldwater's wife helped found the Arizona chapter of Planned Parenthood. Did you know that?

By your standards, that would make Goldwater, the grandfather of modern conservatism, a "RINO" too, right?

A New Tide Has Come In
Positive populist conservatism is the sea change. We are tired of the caustic-cons, those negative conservative commentators with hate management issues. Let's move on with Huck and get out of the shallows where Rush has had us stuck for years.

CVN65
I was just kidding around, but I know what you mean. In a strange way I am more anxious over this election than any one before. It is a feeling of dread. Our country is in a tight spot and what do you do when you don’t think any candidate is up to the challenge?

Romney v Huckabee and McCain
THE AD THAT WAS BEFORE IT WAS NOT. If you have some ink left you should use it to report that HUCKABEE is slicker than 'Slick Willy' ever was. Here's some real news and a VIDEO about the REAL HUCKABEE. Please see the links below. This should be seen by ALL voters in New Hampshire. HUCKABEE has over 400 hundred ETHICS VIOLATIONS and violated Arkansas law by giving President Calderon of Mexico a $1.00 per annum rent on a Consulate to be built in Arkansas to hand out ILLEGAL, MATRICULAR CARDS to ILLEGAL ALIENS!

http://illegalprotest.com/2007/12/17/gilchrists-endorsement -of-huckabee/


http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/002611.html

http://illegalprotest.com/2007/12/17/gilchrists-endorsement -of-huckabee/


Romney v Huckabee and McCain
THE AD THAT WAS BEFORE IT WAS NOT. If you have some ink left you should use it to report that HUCKABEE is slicker than 'Slick Willy' ever was. Here's some real news and a VIDEO about the REAL HUCKABEE. Please see the links below. This should be seen by ALL voters in New Hampshire. HUCKABEE has over 400 hundred ETHICS VIOLATIONS and violated Arkansas law by giving President Calderon of Mexico a $1.00 per annum rent on a Consulate to be built in Arkansas to hand out ILLEGAL, MATRICULAR CARDS to ILLEGAL ALIENS!

http://illegalprotest.com/2007/12/17/gilchrists-endorsement -of-huckabee/


http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/002611.html

http://illegalprotest.com/2007/12/17/gilchrists-endorsement -of-huckabee/


Wake Up Republicans
Mike Huckabee is a Super Star Player.

What part of you are wrong don't you understand?

Being in the stands is once a week going in front of a hundred people and giving a 15 minute serman about faith and values, then asking everyone to give $10.00 to pay a meger salary for the ministor and maintaining the building. Being on the field is being at the forfront of the dicision making for an entire state for changes to improve the quality of life for everyone in that state.

With your theory every politition in politics is in the stands and only ministers are on the field. I'm sorry, Mike G., but you made a poor arguement.

Being on the playing field is actually being willing to knock heads with the best in the political game and actually get something done for each of us U.S. citizens about -

Sealing the southern border
Energy independence in 10 years
A more "Fair Tax" system
Winning the war in Irag
A stronger milatary force that if needed will go in with overwhelming odds and quickly secure victory
Steadfastly stand by the santity of life from conception at birth
Is for the 2nd. Ammendment and can shoot a shotgun and bag game to prove it

And he ran the most economically efficient campaign in all presidential contenders in Iowa.

Only one man is for all the truly conservitave items listed above and he's willing to get on the playing field and fight to get them done.

Mike Huckabee choose to be a player and now he's a Super Star!



Re: SteveL
Great post. But don't expect to get a response to your, "excluding social issues, how is Rudy a RINO?" query. I've asked the same question many times, and the only responses I ever get are about gun control, cross-dressing and abortion. The best you can hope for is a comment about high taxation and government spending in NYC -- issues that were clearly not due to Giuliani.

Unfortunately, the problem isn't that these posters believe Rudy is a high-tax, big government liberal. The problem is that they know he isn't. And that's what they're looking for. They just want one who's pro-life.

Judging by the comments on this site over the past few months and Huckabee's win, conservative politics may be dead. The only glimmer of hope is that Paul got 10%. Between that and Rudy's 4%, at least we know about 7% of the Iowa population has some knowledge of economics. Impressive.

And the nominees are...

Mike, well said.

Conservatives should indeed be concerned if Huckabee becomes the nominee. But I believe that won't happen.

My first choice is Fred Dalton Thompson. But that won't happen either.

McCain, age 72, has angered too many in the party, and Rommney will not survive his image as "a well-tailored but empty suit".

And even though I do NOT like it - but still stand by it - I believe that soccer moms, who have now become security moms, will in the end, and together with their hubbies... pull the lever for Rudy.

I also believe that Queen Hillary will prevail in the primaries.

In the general, though, I really hope and pray that enough Americans will come to their senses.. and vote to put both of the Clintons out to pasture - for good.

That would truly be a good day.

What's the bottom line Mike?
Mike G; I just don’t understand your point in this article. You say “It’s hard to tell why so many Republican voices, outside of Iowa, seem to despise Mike Huckabee” and then you turn around and answer the question, but it is not clear whether or not you agree with the reasoning.

I will make it real simple for you Mike; we despise him because he would fit better in the Democrat Party than Republican. Sure, he is just like RINO Rudy and Romney, he talks conservative now, but his record is liberal all the way through. Of the three, Romney is probably the most conservative. Add McShame to that mix and you really have something for the base to be disgusted with. Although McShame is more conservative than the others on spending issues, his outright distain for the base has also placed him beyond the pale.

I will not vote for another liberal.

about the choices and Iowa results...
Mitt SAYS some of the right things, depending on when he speaks... too many are nervous about the Mormon thing. The Huckster is simply another Jimmy Carter-- he has the right tone (anti-Washington business as usual) after Presidente Jorge and the rest in Washington have stunk up the place. Jorge will prove to have been a DISASTER for America and Republicans-- he has been wrong on two critical issues-- embracing ILLEGALS, and letting the neoCONS snooker him at an all-in cost of $2 TRILLION to make a bigger mess in the big sandbox.

Juan McQuisling does speak his mind, but Middle America soundly rejects his embracing of ILLEGALS and is weary of the neoCONS' war against the wrong bad Islamics (for an ulterior agenda which ultimately could not hide the deceptions). Shrillary might shrivel up into irrelevance because she reeks of same old, same old things and of phoniness and blind self-aggrandizing ambition. Fred has good ideas but was not ready for prime time-- he might have been a stalking horse for his friend McQuisling to take out Mitt... there are rumors he will throw his support to McCain.

People like Hugh Hewitt can forget the RINO wishful thinkin' that ILLEGAL aliens are not a CRITICAL issue-- it wounded Shrillary badly recently, and Juan McQuisling freely admits "I got the message" (resoundingly from Middle America)... the huckster is running and hiding from his pro-ILLEGAL stands.

Pundits just don't get Huckabee
You miss who he is. He is not a big government liberal, and to say so is to be misinformed. How many times has he said that government is the biggest impediment to small business? Do you even listen to what Huck says? Do you read his platform on his website?

You pundits conpletely miss his appeal.

The "in the stands" comment has more to do with a belief that criticizing the government is easy, getting into government and attempting to reform it is hard. That's all he meant to say.
It was certainly not referring to the ministry as not being on the playing field. It clearly was intended to be aimed at government.

He will fight to keep taxes low. If he can't get the fair tax, he will try to extend the bush tax cuts. He will secure the border. He will pretect life and marriage. He will move us toward energy independance.

Any liberal ideas there?

Get over yourselves, the man is a solid conservative, who can appeal to women, african-americans, and the poor, all groups we forfeit in most elections. It is the elitist moneybags that don't like him and for no good reason.

The next POTUS, Mike Huckabee.

In case you didn't know...
(---
It is the G that robs every working person worse than the Barbary Pirates ever robbed anyone
---)

And speaking of the Barbary Pirates...

Did you know, that those particular "Pirates" were in fact Muslim Holy Warriors. No alcohol, No pork, Prayed 5 times a day, etc.

Yes indeed. All you Ron Paul supporters out there. The first encounter the United (13) States had with the Muslim Holy Warriors for Allah was in the 90's, the 1790's. If fact it is that encounter the prompted us to build a navy.

Now i ask the Ron Paul supporter, what in heaven's name did those 13 fledgling states do in their meddling foreign policy, while the ink of The Constitution was still drying, to prompt hostage taking?

Rudy
Rudy is a one hit wonder. His conservative credentials seem to be that he was mayor of NYC on 9/11. He's trying to parlay it into this notion that he is the only one who can stand up to Islamic terrorism. What's his foreign policy experience? He's the only Republican running for POTUS who has never even set one foot in Iraq. He's a sham on his one "conservative" issue and he's a slimy human being. His entire campaign message is one of fear and negativity...and that is not going play anymore.

RINO
Republican voters in Iowa did not reject Huckabee because he's a RINO, they voted for him because he's a RINO. Iowa is no longer a conservative state, the Democrats, with their promises of big money in the ethanol scam, have taken over the state and what few Republicans remain are mostly RINO supporters. What difference does Iowa make anyway? They will vote Democrat in the general election and, in addition, have few electoral votes.
Much the same can be said of New Hampshire, the real test will begin in South Carolina. Look for Fred to come alive when the real primarys begin.

The only thing we (re) learned from Iowa
is that we live in a media culture that rewards the effective communicators who carry no disqualifying baggage. Most American voters do not want to think beyond a soundbite. do not want Look at the list of recent successful politicians:
-Ronald Reagan-told it clearly, let the world come to his view.
-Bill C could sell anything to anyone (even with baggage!)
-Huckabee-very homey and populist
-Edwards- personality and big promises to victims
-Obama-soothing voice, racial advantage, no record, no substantive proposals to attack.

On the other hand we have:
George Bush, the worst communicator on the planet.

cjb56
When Rudy stepped into office in NYC, it was a Left-Demo-disaster. The turn around he accomplished here, against a HUGE ingrained liberal machine was super human.

Sure there is stuff that you look at NOW, and say he could have been more conservative. But "now" is not what he started with. And "now" is not what he had in his hands to work with.

Shows what Iowa voters are.
Iowa voters showed that they were more enamoured with the national press than making a good choice. Also, they were listening to pastors, being picked up in church busses, listening to folks calling from phone banks in basements of megga churches, who have put their tax-exempt status at risk. I don't trust anti-mormon bigots who hide behind the aw shucks, I dident know junk. I don't like huck, I don't trust him, and if he gets the nom, I've decided to vote for the democrate. After all, we might as well have one, if huck gets the GOP nom. (which he won't.

Huckalemmings in Iowa had their day in the sun. Now it's time for the real work, right President Dean?

Sagredo
Huckabee took over as governor after several decades of Democrat destruction in Arkansas...including the damage done by Bill Clinton. Huck left Arkansas in far better shape than the state he took over. Unlike Rudy, he won't take away your guns...cheat on his wife...fund abortion...support gay marriage. Rudy is the worst of all worlds, in my opinion...and he is the only Republican candidate that I could never vote for.

I must have missed
where Huck said he supported bigger and more intrusive government. It certainly was not in the areas of education, taxation, or health care. I have a feeling that his support for the Fair Tax is what has all of the pundits and the elite's minions in a lather. The income tax is used by the elite to keep their heel on the neck of the average American. If the Fair Tax becomes law, all Americans will be more free. The government will no longer be able to oppress Americans through the IRS. Those who support the income tax over the Fair Tax are the true big government promoters.

Huck is putting together a coalition of pro-life, pro Second Amendment, pro traditional marriage and anti big government types oppressed by the income tax. He understands the Mohammedan threat and will keep our focus on it. He understands that the first step in immigration law is sealing the borders.

His Republican adversaries (I do not mean the other candidates) have begun to sound like bloggers on the Democratic Underground with the language, the name calling, the innuendos and outright lies they are using.

GO HUCK!!!!

cjb56
No Huckabee won't do those things, but he will compell me to do 'what's good for me' via federal edict. He will likely do nothing re: the border, and I believe he will do nothing re: rampant taxation. (I was initially fooled by his supposed desire for fair tax, but I now consider how convenient for him to support some legislation that would be nearly impossible to pass.)

I want to like Huck. I really really do. But his past actions and quotes can't be denied.

Giuliani did cut the snot out of taxes in NYC. He did put some serious bad guys in jail. He did alot to clean up the town. He does have a fetish for grabbing guns. (I give him a pass on abortion because I believe the judges he would nominate would undo the unconstitutional abomination the Warren Court burdened us with. So personal opinions aside, he would likely help the pro-life cause.)

Good God, back to the drawing board.

Follow the Money
Rush, Gallagher, Ingram, Hannity et al put on the air in many markets by way of Clear Channel. Clear Channel bought by Bain Capital Partners. Bain Capital Partners owned by Mitt Romney. FOLLOW THE MONEY.

Fox News owned by Rupert Murdoch. Rupert Murdoch in bed with Guilliani. FOLLOW THE MONEY.

Looks like you can't buy the American people.

SteveL
Interesting line:

> If you social conservatives can put aside
> the abortion and gay marriage issues for
> just a moment:

It sounds like many of the fiscal conservatives are asking the social conservatives of the GOP to "just put aside..." a fairly small and even insignificant thing.

Sorry, this will not happen. There are too many social conservatives who follow their moral standards before they follow the GOP.

If you and the elite GOP pundits shove Guiliani upon us - well let me misquote "Qweenmumof7" - I will vote democrat. Where the misquoting comes is that a significant number of campaign workers and voters will just not show up.

Let's think this through folks. There are candidates we can all agree upon, but name calling and negative ads will not lead to a happy November.

The L word? or the E word?
Mike G. seems to think most of the anxiety about Huckabee comes from his reliance on government. He's only partly correct.

There's a large percentage of Huckabee Anxiety that comes from pure, unmitigate bigotry toward Evangelicals.

The truth is, lots of people in the US just, plain hate Evangelicals. And it's not just atheists, either. Certain Catholics, even certain hard-core Christians from modern anti-denominations, distrust conservative Southern Baptists. They regard that particular brand of Christian as singularly unacceptable.

Yes, I'm concerned about Huck's governmentalism; it's why I don't support him. But trust me, if Huckabee were pure, small-government conservative, a very large number of the people opposing his candidacy would still oppose his candidacy. They'd call it discomfort about his "inexperience" or "unelectability," or some such. It would still be the same thing: bigotry against Evangelicals.

(Unrelated to this post, please visit my political blog, "Plumb Bob Blog: Squaring the Culture," at http://www.plumbbobblog.com. Thanks.)

How little they matter
Makes it obvious how little sway the radio talkers have. Most people know they are listening to a bunch of water carriers, as Rush identified himself the day after the Nov. 2006 elections, and give their opinions on the subject little weight.
Perhaps they can still push the Bill Clinton of the Republican party, Rudi Guilanni, into the election. Where normal people will look at him and his three wives of which he had affairs with at least two before marrying and make a sound value judgement and elect whomever is running against him.

Huckabee supporters
What exactly in Mike Huckabee's record in Arkansas makes you think he is going to do all of the wonderful things vis a vis taxes, illegal immigration, and national security that you're already crediting him with?

If you've paid any attention at all, you would realize that there is no way that Huckabee is getting the GOP nomination. He is only a spoiler. He has just increased the likelihood that Rudy Giuliani, rather than Mitt Romney, will be the GOP nominee. Think hard about which of those two you would rather have, because you need to start thinking about the long-term consequences of your actions and not the immediate ones.

You also need to start thinking about the consequences of a Clinton or Obama presidency, because that is precisely where single-issue principles that keep you from voting for someone like a Giuliani will get you.

Hint: Giuliani Supreme Court nominees put Roe v. Wade back into play. Clinton nominees lock Roe v. Wade in for all of our lifetimes. This is just an example of the logic you need to start using, not an endorsement of Giuliani.

Huckabee is Wrong for USA
I find fault with Gallagher's comment: "Giuliani has a political instinct well suited for this nationwide race and I believe he’s going to do quite well, well enough to secure the nomination." My feelings is that Giuliani should be running as a Democrat not a Republican, based upon his views and actions.

However, I will state this: Huckabee ain't no conservative. In fact he is closer to a Liberal than Guliani ever was. Guiliani or Huckabee will be another George Bush who violates their Conservative Core Supporters. Mark my Words.

Big Government is never or never will be the right answer to any Solution. Big Government just screws up whatever they attempt to do. History has shown that to be True.

God help the Conservative GOP and America if Guliani or Huckabee ever wins the POTUS, however, they will both be better than Hillary or any demonrat who is running. Just goes to show you that Intelligence in Iowa stayed home. If the Iowans had read all the facts and followed the issues - Huckabee wouldn't have even placed.

The E-word.

Inkling, concur on your 12:59 PM post.

But I have found that most of those folks are registered Democrats... and wouldn't think of coming close to voting for anyone sounding remotely conservative.

Unfortunately, there are a considerable number of them... and they also call themselves Christians.


Watch the Video
Those who jump to the conclusion that Huckabee intends to further empower government in order to help the "little guy" have not heard his words. He says quite clearly on Leno that he wants to get government out of the way of the little guy. In doing so, he also gives a nice thumbnail sketch of the FairTax, which is his biggest plus as far as I'm concerned.

Huck's detractors also reveal that they have neither checked out his stated positions on his website, where he is very strong on immigration and the WOT, nor considered that he as governor had an overwhelmingly democrat-heavy legislature to deal with in Arkansas. Everything I've read says he left the state in a much better condition after working with that legislature. Sound like a good executive to me.

I recommend you check him out your self:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgEW8jKoRgc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWZIhQF1JKQ&feature=related

http://www.mikehuckabee.com/

I am disappointed, but not surprised, that there is very little mention about Huck's support for the FairTax, and what role that played in his Iowa win.

World War II and the Interstate Highway?
National security and maintaining public infrastructure (roads) are two of the legitimate functions of government and are a part of small government.

Huge bureaucracies and wealth transfers making up roughly 2/3 of the federal budget are part of big government.

Some one educate me
Name one piece of legislation...Legislation. Not an off handed comment....that Huckabee pushed in Arkansas that smacked of bigger more intrusive gov't. I'm as libertarian as they come and I haven't seen any evidence of this.

He is for the Fair Tax which is pro-freedom, pro-self reliance. When he talks about working for the middle and lower class, he's talking about gov't GETTING OUT OF THE WAY AND HOLDING THESE FOLKS DOWN. The gov't is more responsible for poverty in this country than any other single factor.

He consistently says that gov't is the single greatest hinderance of small business. How is this pro-big government.

He runs the most efficient campaign out there. That's got to mean something to fiscal conservatives out there. Give me a frugal president....PLEASE! Someone that knows the value of a dollar. I like Bush, but he doesn't know the value of a dollar and neither does Congress.

Huckabee dread is his populist...
compassionate conservative leanings, representing 4 more years of open borders, reckless fiscal policies, govt expansion and intrusion- democrat lite, just like Huck governed in AR! Look at what he has done not what he so glibly expounds....he is a preacher after all.

Ohio Saba
(---
> If you social conservatives can put aside
> the abortion and gay marriage issues for
> just a moment:

It sounds like many of the fiscal conservatives are asking the social conservatives of the GOP to "just put aside..." a fairly small and even insignificant thing.

Sorry, this will not happen. There are too many social conservatives who follow their moral standards before they follow the GOP.
---)

What is particularly irritating about the social conservatives is that little or nothing that they care about, or criteria they would use to choose a President, is part of the President's job.

The President is the Commander in Chief, sets foreign policy, and yes appoints Judges.

But using Roe-v-Wade (either way) as the litmus test for a Judge is short sighted. (Even though it seems that is exactly what the Dems do.) Giuliani won't, and i don't think *any* of the Reps would use such a test (because one possible case is just way too narrow an issue for such an important appointment)... and what if the new Judge switches sides (which they have done)?

Please, pick fights that matter as reality on the ground. Lofty single issues, that can't happen anyway, is a stupid way to vote.

Vaquero
Give some evidence of your statements. My understanding is that he wasn't dealt the easiest hand in the world with an overwhelmingly Democrat legislature.

What's he done?

What's it going to take...
for conservatives to elect another conservative to office?

Huckabee is as conservative as Bill Clinton. Like many of the other cameleons in the race, he changes colors to play to his audience. His immigration plan is the same as Bush's (amnesty) only worse. Does anyone really think that 20million illegal aliens are going to go home and then re-apply to return?

Thompson, Hunter and Tancredo are the only conservatives that are/were in the race. They are also the only candidates that actually stated policy positions. The others are babbling the same old rhetoric depending on the audience.

I'd rather see a Democrat elected rather than another RINO. At least that way, after four years of socialistic government, conservatives might finally wake up.

The Huck, Fair Tax, and Social Con et al
You guys who tout the “Fair Tax” as an example of Huckleberry’s support for small government need to go back and do some more research on the “Fair Tax”. My research, which included the book and the bill, and applying to adjustments to the hype proposed by the proponents of this bill show that it is a huge tax increase for nearly everyone in the country. The only people who would actually benefit are the very rich and big business.

The two adjustment I make are the “promises” that prices will decrease across the board by 22% and wages will increase by 8%. I call those promises because there is nothing in the legislation that calls for them to happen.

I find that the call for 23% (some say 30%) to be disingenuous also. Even with the so called pre-bate I think this rate is far too high to be revenue neutral. The designers will not release their “study” which shows this to be revenue neutral. In fact, I have seen other write-ups on the net that say that the 23% was arrived at via a poll to determine what the maximum amount people would pay before they rebelled.

cont....

pt 2

I see all of you Huck supporters also say “Go to his website and look at his positions”. I also see posting by people from Arkansas who say that he raised taxes, increased spending, and in general advocated big government liberalism and amnesty for illegals. I believe in actions a lot more than I do words written down for a campaign.

And finally I find the term “social conservative” to be a misnomer. It implies that as long as you believe in fighting Roe v Wade, gay lifestyles, and pornography that you are a conservative no matter what else you believe in. That simply is not true. You have to be a conservative first, then you can advocate what ever policies that you like concerning religion, as long as those policies don’t make government any bigger or more powerful. That is the true message of conservatism as passed down through the ages.

If you favor spending other people’s money to fight poverty out of some sense of charity, if you believe in pardoning murderers because they say they have “found religion”, if you believe in rewarding illegal behavior at tax payer expense, then you are joining the liberal Democrats in their outlook on government and you are no conservative whether you hate Roe v Wade or not.

Identity Politics
Evangelical anti-mormon bigotry drove Iowa. Period. Politicians have used it to get elected on and off for more than 150 years. Call it whatever you like ("identity politics"), but it is what it is. The real question is where do we go from here? Its not going to stop. Mormons are a relatively small percentage of the population, maybe we should all just join the hallelejuh chorus to keep the evangelicals worked up so they turn out en masse. . . maybe we can leverage mormon bigotry by somehow linking Obama or Clinton to it . . . I think Clinton visited Salt Lake a few times . . .

It's funny
that all those people who moved out of the country when Bush was elected President will be coming back in here in droves if any Democrat is elected.

Liberty Jaw
They did vist Utah on more than one occasion. Usually to go skiing and staying at Jeffery Katzenbergs (Hollywood producer) condomium in Park City

Iowans

In 10 years the hispanics will have cultural and political control. Instead of NJ apologizing for slavery you'll be seeing TX and AZ apologizing for stealing land from the mexicans.

We can see the indian tribes fighting for cessation today - what do you think the mexicans will try to do in 10 years?

You can change the laws on abortion, environment, trade etc. but once we lose the border we can never go back to being a sovereign country.

Iowans voted for a preacher - america will vote for a president.

Go Mitt!

Who says Iowa isnt' Florida?
Guiliani leads Huckabee in Florida by 2%. That was before Iowa. Guiliani has money and organization there, Huckabee has little.

Who says Florida isn't Iowa?

Huckabee leads Romney in South Carolina by 7%. Nationally, Guiliani (Rasmussen) has dropped from 24% to 13% in 30 days. Huckabee is at 16%.

The author better wake up and smell a few of the roses. Guiliani is in trouble. Romney, having lost Iowa is now behind McCain in New Hampshie, has no chance in South Carolina, and is far back in Florida. Romney is in trouble.

I never seriously thought that Huckabee would get the GOP nomination. Now I'm beginning to wonder.

In Iowa, he got his strongest support from the young, women, and those with incomes under the national average (read poor). 40% were for him, 24% were for Romney in the last group. Those are classic liberal constiutencies.

Huckabee
Blah, blah, blah. Do not underestimate Michael Huckabee. He will be the GOP's nominee in November, in spite of all the talking heads and journalists and the majority of the bloggers on this site who are now running scared.

Vic
I did not intend for this thread to become another forum on the FairTax, but I cannot let your comment go unanswered.

At fairtax.org are a whole bunch of research papers explaining all facets of the tax:

http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_resea rch

The paper that addresses your above stated concerns is at:

http://www.fairtax.org/PDF/Tax%20Notes%20article%20on%20FT% 20rate.pdf

Regarding Huckabee's stated positions versus his record. We had a guy who ran on his record; perhaps you remember President Dole.

I think the electorate is looking for someone who is willing to go out on a limb and call for change from the status quo. The FairTax fits the bill for me there. Is it perfect? No, but it's a far cry better than what we have now.

Sagredo
Thank you for taking a respectful approach to your comments.

I agree that the President sets foreign policy and appoints judges. But he is also the "leader" of the nation. As such I would prefer to have one who has consistently demonstrated a defense of life.

At least your two areas will remove the fiscal conservative concerns toward Huckabee, since the President does not legislate the budget items.

I'm sorry to cause you and others distress, perhaps as the more experienced and knowledgeable members of the party you would be willing to provide candidates that meet our single issue. I am certainly willing to support a candidate who advocates strong national defense or stronger immigration control - oh, but you don't want to talk about Huckabee do you.

Vic
Thank you for the definition of conservative.

Now please show me a GOP controlled legislature that followed those high and lofty ideals.

According to your definition I am as conservative as it comes, but I will not vote for anyone who wavers on the abortion issue. Oh I guess I misread your definition, a conservative must be willing to check his moral standard at the door if the GOP elite and pundits say so.

Even the fiscal conservatives have to compromise, I am just drawing a slightly different line. The sad thing is that if there was a Ronald Reagan on the ballot then we would be able to get along. But then even the Gipper had to make some fiscal compromises - didn't he.

Ronald Reagan
To all that love the late great President Reagan:

I also think he was a tremendous President that did great things and brought this country out of a deep malaise. But all the cries for needing another Ronald Reagan reminded me of something.

Years ago Rick Pitino was coaching the Boston Celtics and was having a rough time of it. He was getting criticized from all sides and the team was flirting with last place. In a pretty famous press conference he became frustrated with the media and said something to the effect:

"I hate to break the news to you guys, but Larry Bird is not walking through that door! Kevin McHale is not going to walk through that door! Robert Parish is not going to walk through that door!"

Well, here's the reality of the situation for conservatives....."RONALD REAGAN IS NOT GOING TO WALK THROUGH ANY DOOR."

He was a GREAT MAN and leader, but to continue to bring him up is entirely unfair and unrealistic. Why don't we just compare all of the candidates to George Washington and Teddy Roosevelt.

We had better get behind someone at some point, or it's going to be a long four years.

Galltegfa
Thanks for that link, however, there are still a lot of items there by reference only and without a detailed review (such as a design review) one can not tell that much from it. This paper also appears to rely on some more assumptions for it’s revenue, but I guess any paper has to make some assumptions.

It does answer one question though unequivocally. The real tax rate is 31%. That is if you buy $100.00 worth of goods or services you will pay $31 and some change in taxes. As I said, there are very few people in the U.S. that pay an effective tax rate of 31%.

As for not being a forum for a debate on the fair tax, if you make it part of the reason for supporting Huckabee then you make it fair game.

I still say that based on the actual news reports say (not pundits) and what I have seen from people here that say they are from Arkansas and have watched the Huck, he has a liberal record and is NOT a conservative.

Ohio Saba
You have what I said exactly backwards. I said that just because you are anti-abortion doesn’t make you a conservative. I did NOT say that if you were anti-abortion you were liberal.

I said that if you favor big government tax and spend and giving illegals benefits that you were in the same boat as liberal Democrats regardless of your stance on Roe.

Vic
Under the Fair Tax, if I spend $100 at the retail level, $77 goes to the retailer and $23 goes to the Fed Gov't. while I understand the argument that 23 is 30% of 77, the fact of the matter is that only $23 of the money I just spent goes to the Fed Gov't, not $30. That's the real tax rate.

It's not much different that calculating income tax off of adjusted gross income.

Vic
You're welcome.

I think that if we're taking home our whole check, which in my case would almost double my take-home, I'm not going to sweat the new tax rate. It may take some time for prices under the new system to stabilize, but I believe the law of supply and demand is immutable, and because the FairTax will potentially bring more business to the USA, competition will increase, which in turn will put downward pressure on pricing. New business will also mean more jobs. So, will the transition be seamless? Probably not; however, having the IRS out of the picture is worth the bumpy ride to me.

Time to go.

Take care.

elong
It will be a long four years regardless. The public is not yet ready to deal with the aging boomers, the rising cost of entitlements, the weak and getting weaker dollar, the loss of manufacturing jobs and the trade deficits, what will be rising rather than shrinking budget deficits, nor the debt we have that is now controlled by our international competitors who use it to both access and control our markets. Deficits will continue and 2/3's of that public say they'd like a national health program insured by the government.

Perhaps everyone will just pray a little more.

That'll solve eveything.

Now granted, no current candidate talks the talk, let alone walks the walk. Huckabee is not alone.

The irony is that religion is a personal reality, not a public position. A fundamentalist who believes in God and supports the welfare state is conflicted. They may be conservative on issues of family and morality - but they are liberals on issues of government and economics.

It can be every bit as long a 4 years with one of these Republican candidates, as would be the case with a democratic candidate.

elong
If you read that paper that was linked they openly say if you buy $100 worth of goods you will pay 131 dollars and some change. That is what every normal person I know calls a 31% tax rate.

Religion Card
There is practically nothing impressive about Huckabee's "win" in Iowa. Huckabee played the religion card and won. He had the good fortune of an easy target in Mitt Romney's Mormonism. The preacher's "innocent" gaffes ("Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and Satan are bothers?") were slick, intentional and completely un-Christian.

The hayseeds in Iowa cheerfully lived down to their expectations. By wide majorities they reported voting for the preacher primarily because he shared their values. Either the only "shared value" Iowans rally care about was the big shiny cross (oops I mean bookcase) in Huck's nauseating Christmas greeting or the values Iowans now hold are open borders (Huckabee value), raising taxes (Huckabee value), releasing rapists to rape again (Huckabee value) and a consitutional right to sodomy (Hucakbee value).

Way to go Hawkeyes---the New York Times couldn't be more grateful.

Let's shake hands.
Gallagher, I kind of don't like you. BUT this was right on. I think you nailed Huckabee on that one, but if Romney and his money can't convince people of average intelligence of that in Iowa, I'm not sure he can do it in NH or elsewhere. I'm even more dubious that McCain, Guiliani, or Thompson can do it WITHOUT the money. Hopefully, instead, we can rely on better intelligence outside of Iowa. We can't wait for the right candidate to bedazzle us. The voters needs to save themselves.

Vic
Who is they?

In the book and on fairtax.org, it explicitly says that it is an inclusive tax rate meaning for every dollar you spend 23 cents goes to the federal govt and 77 cents goes to the retailer.


The tax is included in the price. If you spend your $131, $30.13 goes to the Federal Gov't.

Listen we're splitting hairs here. We just disagree on this thing. You did your research. I did my research. We have come away with differing views. I still enjoy your posts.

The LGBT Republicans, Queens of Denial..
This is the battle for the federal appellate and the SCOTUS. What I've addressed before regarding the narcissistically hostile and borderline confrontational behavior of the LGBT Republicans is coming to fruition. Do not, under any circumstances, capitulate to these neurotic individuals. Never forget that it took 43 years from the revision of the ALIMPC based on the fraudulent and fallacious research conducted by Evelyn Hooker and Alfred Kinsey for social conservatives to achieve parity in the public and private sectors. This battle has never been about religion as consistently mischaracterized by the socially liberal and moderate Democrats and Republicans during the last fifty years, but the unethical, if not antisocial behavior of neurotic legal and medical professionals.

Huckster is the wrong man
Huckabee has proven himself to be, if not the GOP's Carter, than certainly its Clinton-lite. He's wrong on the nanny-state, he's wrong on taxes, he's both wrong and ignorant on foreign policy. And possibly stupid. His pretense of being the only real Christian in the race is a version of identity politics, similar to the "race card" that is 180 degrees counter to the principles of the Republic Party.

His repugnant personal attacks against Romney's religion and that stupid stunt with the "withdrawn" attack ad are perfect examples of the Arkansas mores that result in the worst shaming of the Presidency since Harding. We cannot let a man of such poor character be our nominee.

All he's missing is the diabolical spouse.

MikeR
No. I am discouraged, not greedy, not slothful, and not a wishful thinker. I will vote fringe candidate or writein if Rudy, Huck or McCain is the GOP candidate.

Fred the only consistent conservative
What Huck has done, not what he now says-
higher taxes, govmt intrusion in lives, coddling criminals, benefits for illegals, total ignorance of foreign policy, wants us to be friends with terrorist states...on and on

About the Fair Tax- do you really believe that any Congress is ever going to pass a bill to eliminate the IRS AND get an amendment to the Constitution?? Not in our lifetimes!!! It's a great dream, but he's pandering; he knows he can't do it.

Rudy is Clinton II-a serial adulterer, dishonest, (hey, honey I have a meeting downtown- be back on Sun night) do we really want to watch when he and Judith fall out, as with their other "life loves"?

Paul is a nut- never to be elected.

Fred is the only one we don't have to worry about, nor be ashamed of.


The GOP is fractured, Obama is Carter
I've been a Republican all my life -- and I have to calls it like I see it -- I think the GOP is fractured this time around.

As recent as one to two months ago, I believed that whoever the GOP nominee was, the GOP would unite behind.

But after visiting GOP & Conservative blogsites (like this one) day in and day out and reading fellow Republicans say they would never vote for Paul, or Rudy, or Romney, or Huckabee, or Mccain or Thompson -- I realized that party unity is going to be very hard if Hillary is the candidate -- and impossible if Obama is.

Given all the partisanship and division in this Nation, going on 15 years now (8 years of Clinton, 7 of Bush) -- Obama's speech last night struck a tone for unity that resonates with all Americans at some level. And I think a lot of people are ready to be cowed by him -- his lack of experience, socialist leanings, and naive and dangerous positions on foreign policy be damned.

And to the extent that a President Obama promises "healing" and could enter the office without bringing the animosity created by the Bush and Clinton years along with him-- that in itself might get him elected -- as Jimmy Carter was elected to heal the nation after Watergate.

But Carter turned out to be a terrible President who was naive, a bad politician, and not up to the demands of the office.

So when I listen to Obama's pleasant and hopeful platitudes -- I can't help thinking about Jimmy Carter.

Perspective
For what it's worth, 119,000 Republicans voted in the Iowa Caucuses. Huckabee's share was about 47,300 votes. Imagine. 47,300 votes, 80% of whom called themselves an evangelical, gave rise to Huckabee's win.

You couldn't elect a mayor in a medium-sized town with that number of votes - yet in the strange game of national politics - it could very well be a large step on the road to electing a President.

Perhaps of equal interest, the Democrats had 229,000 in their caucuses. Looks to me as if the Republicans who stayed home were the one's who elected Huckabee. Also demonstrates how disinterested Republicans - at least in Iowa - are in their field of candidates.

If this happens in the general - the Republicans could nominate Humpty-Dumpty with no fear of Hump ever being elected.


Marcita
Is right. Have you noticed that the media is ignoring Fred? they will not even say he took 3rd place in iowa, they just keep saying Mccain, Now why is that?

To Activated: Thompson is Toast

To answere your question why the media is ignoring Fred -- here's a quick summary, and a good article explaining how insipid his campaign is:

"Indeed, the more Thompson campaigns at low octane, the more plausible the theory that Jeri pushed him into running becomes. But why did he flop so badly once he did run? Where to start? He got in too late, didn't sound prepared, lacked the movie-star presence people expected, and suffered from staff turmoil (widely attributed to Jeri). Above all, Thompson never offered a clear rationale for his candidacy - a curious defect for a star contender, unless you consider what's become increasingly clear of late: On some level, the guy never really seemed to want it. " http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/31/opinion/main3659 394.shtml

Socialism
The best way to ensure more socialism in america is to completely ignore the economic distress and unease of huge tracts of america, mostly in places that vote for republicans........

Providing a conservative answer to this angst is the key to at least keep winning some elections in the future.

I was hungry and you feed me
We can not forgett those are the words of Jesus, what's wrong with that?? Mike Gallagher is tunrning in to the "who ever pays the most I am for! And if you pay enough I go against your biggest rival"!!!

Bowa on Thompson
I note your quote is from CBS- now isn't that a friendly source? The MSM isn't going to give Fred an inch because they know he's the one true consistent conservative who can whip their friends- McCain and Rudy on the right, Hussein Obama on the left.

Fred makes it clear he's in and working at it- did you bother going to his website to see the number of events he attended in the last month? He just decided he wasn't playing the media game of starting last year for a run so they labeled him lazy. Not likely!

Conservatives Unite!

Does Giuliani have character?
Giuliani doesn't have the character to run this country. Just ask his wives, the millions of babies he has fought to ensure their murder, or his criminal friends in NYC. I could hold my nose and vote for Huckabee in the general election, but I couldn't vote for Giuliani.

Marcita, You are dreaming....
if you think Conservatives will unite behind Thompson. Or any candidate for that matter.

As I said in a previous post. I think that the GOP has been hopelessly fractured this time around.

Just look at the way Republicans (including you) cannibalize the GOP candidates you disagree with viciously on this thread alone.

Do you really think that any Republican in the field would be worse then a President Obama or Hillary? Just regarding SCOTUS choices alone, we should all be unified behind whoever the candidate is.

But I think "conservatives", will cut the throat of the GOP and stay home this time around rather then vote for "liberals" like Rudy, Huckabee, McCain, or Romney.

So instead, by default -- a real "liberal" will win the Presidency.

Dave: Are you nutz? Of course he's got

character.. Unfortunately it's undesirable, for the most part!

All we really have to do is talk to his last "ex-wife."

Okay, so he's divorced! But to cheat AND move his bimbo girlfriend into the Mayor's Mansion while he was still married, etc., etc., etc., I'd say that qualifies as undesireable character!!!


And one more little thing. Do we really want a First Lady who doesn't seem to have a problem with a "relationship" with a married man?






Fred
Face it folks, Fred it the only hope of unifying the conservative Republicans. After South Carolina the media will not be able to ignore him anymore. Fred will tear through the South making Sherman look like a wimp.

What was Disalas saying?
Jesus words "I was hungry and you fed me" are for individuals, and Huckabee is free to do all he can (with his money) to follow the instruction. The books of the Bible were not written to instruct governments but are aimed at the heart of individuals. Huck appears to believe it is honest to steal (by use of government and taxes) earnings from those who earned and give it away to those chosen by the lawmakers. Not what the Bible describes by a long shot.

PS- Dave- I'm with you- Guiliani moved his girlfriend into the mansion while the wife and kids still lived there and of course lied to the wife constantly in order to be out tom-cattin' around with Judith. Do we really want to watch a re-run of the Clinton years in the White House?

Fred is a social liberal...........
Another LBGT Republican in denial..........

Dave, thanks for proving my point
"Giuliani doesn't have the character to run this country. Just ask his wives, the millions of babies he has fought to ensure their murder, or his criminal friends in NYC. I could hold my nose and vote for Huckabee in the general election, but I couldn't vote for Giuliani."

It's just this kind of narrowmindedness that will hand the GOP a defeat in November. Just ignore Rudy's incredible record of success -- in which he literally fought an entrenched liberal governemnt, cut taxes, and succeeded beyond any and all expectations. Ignore that he succesfully prosecuted the mob and drove them out of places like the Fulton Fish Market; ignore that he clamped down on insider traders and prosecuted white collar crime. The transformation of NYC from crime-ridden and ungovernable to a mecca for business, tourists and citizens alike ...was incredible.

Instead, what you do is focus on his personal life (wasn't Reagan divorced too?), smear him and say he has "criminal friends" an obvious attempt to link him to organized crime and find him "guilty by association" Note: Kerik was the criminal, not Rudy.

As for his pro-choice stance -- whereby he supports legalized abortion with restrictions -and would nominate constructionist judges to the bench -- so be it.

But if that's your single issue -- you and all the other pro-life purists deserve the "abortion on demand up to birth" democrat President you will be getting, and all the liberal judges that they promise to nominate to the bench over the next 4 years.

Evengelicalism = Insanity!
I don't see the motivating factor. All these socons concerned above all else with legal abortion and gay marriage? I don't get it.

What kind of issues are those for everyday people to vote on? How does someone elses abortion or gay marriage ANYWHERE in the universe affect YOU and YOUR family?

Don't you have things that actually affect the wellbeing of yourself and family to obsess over? Are all socons so well off that affordable health care, outsourcing, rising gas prices etc. doesn't affect you?

What kind of political position is it to obsess about stopping OTHER people you don't even know from doing certain things in THEIR personal lives that YOU don't approve of?

It's insanity. Does fundy Christianity teach insanity? To place your entire vote on who will stop people you don't know from doing things you don't like is absurd! Why stop with abortion and gay marriage? Why not base your vote on who will keep people you don't know from smoking, drinking, gambling, consuming junk food, staying up past ten, watching too much t.v., and on and on.

What drives a certain group of people to vote for the sole purpose of using government to STOP OTHER PEOPLE from living THEIR lives in certain ways?

This needs to be studied. This is some kind of mental disorder. I realy think another TH poster had these people summed up wonderfully, "A bunch of jack booted Christian thugs out to stone the harlots, string up the gays and repo any t.v. not tuned into The 700 Club!"

Stop the madness! If you aren't gay or in need of an abortion, then legalized gay marriage/abortion DOES NOT AFFECT YOU AND YOURS!

Please find at least ONE issue to vote on that is actually RELEVANT to YOUR day to day lives.

Such utter bull
"Guiliani moved his girlfriend into the mansion while the wife and kids still lived there and of course lied to the wife constantly in order to be out tom-cattin' around with Judith."

Rudy's marriage to Judith was very publicly over for at least 2 years before he even met Judith. In fact, their relationship was so bitter that Donna refused to support him for re-election.

There was no proof that he was "tom-cattin" around with Judith. It was all very public and nasty. And if people want to ignore his record and judge him by his personal relationships on that basis, so be it.

But he never moved Judith into the mansion...ever!!!! After Rudy and Donna were legally separated and in the process of divorce, Donna had her barred from entering the residence. All a part of bitter and failed marriage

As everyone knows, in all relationships there is 2 sides to every story -- so judge not lest you be judged, I say.

Unfortunately, failed marriages and bitter divorces are all too common in modern America-- so at least for me -- I am certainly able to looke beyond Rudy's personal life -- and focus on his incredible record of success running the 4th largest governemnt in the US.

budbud: Actually, your post above...

as well as most of your posts are pretty much insanity...

Obviously, you just don't get it....



Is Rush on the outs?
Rush was slamming Huckabee and McCain and they were the two biggest surprises in Iowa! In fact a poll showed they got the most last minute undecided votes according to Fox. What does this say about Rush?

Rush: No to Huckabee, McCain, and Giuliani

Rush implicitly endorsed Romney and Thompson on his show this afternoon (who happen to also be my top two legitimate choices in this race) by saying this about the other three front-runners:

Limbaugh seemed to swipe at McCain, Huckabee and Rudy Giuliani, respectively, in responding to a caller about which candidate had true conservative bona fides.

“If our nominee is either not conservative and is pandering to the left trying to get some of their votes, or if our nominee is so afraid of his record that he’s relying on identity politics to get votes or if our nominee decides that the only way he can win is to go out and pick off some libs in the northeast and out in the west, it’s going to be a bloodbath,” he predicted of the general election.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/is-rush-on-the-out s


Don't under estimate Huckabee
Mike,

I grew up in Arkansas and now live in Roanoke TX and listen to you in the morning. I really don't think the elite understand politics in Arkansas. The state constitution requires a balance budget and 90% of the legislature is Democrat. Huckabee was forced to compromise to get anything done. He also had to abide to the State Supreme Court. He's no liberal........

Guilliani is a good prosecutor and mayor of NY, but I don't think that neccessarily makes him the best candidate. Using tax dollars to put up his girlfriend while cheating on his wife will keep many for voting for him.

I just love how everyone writes Huck's obituary but he keeps on going. Huck is one of the most unique politicians since Reagan that can inspire and motivate.

Huck is an example of the American Story. Everyone loves the underdog story. (Sea Biscuit, A Pursuit of Happiness)

Oh, when I was in Arkansas, in 1995, I attended Arkansas Boy's State. Huckabee was the key note speaker. Before Huck spoke a kid next to me said he hated Huckabee but after Huck's speech he changed his mind. This kid had an earring and long hair. If Huckabee can inspire this left wing nut, than he can win the election.

Bowa- the issue is dishonesty
I'm probably not alone in looking at each candidate and checking whether what he says agrees with his history. How else can we judge a man, especially politicians who are desperate to have power and will say anything that gets votes.

Rudy- has proved by his life that he is a dishonest person. Harry Truman said if a man couldn't be faithful to the woman he promised to love for life, why would you trust what he says he'll do for you (the public). So I can't trust what judges he would appoint; he supported "comprehensive immigration", etc.

McCain has for years shown he isn't conservative and he is more arrogant than Bush- making it clear he knows what's best for us and doesn't give a hang about our opinions- except at election time. I'm in Arizona- we know him and he'll never be elected here again. Illegals are destroying the country!

Huckabee is not conservative and tries to disavow hie previous actions- high taxes, benefits for illegals, coddling criminals, etc.
Regardless of his faith, he is dishonest.

Thompson has been consistent and no scandal has appeared as yet, plus he is not desperate for the power of POTUS. He has always defended our country and we can trust him to stand up to foreign renegades.

Please enlighten me Anne
Anne writes:
budbud: Actually, your post above...
as well as most of your posts are pretty much insanity...
Obviously, you just don't get it....


Please Anne. Enlighten me as to how the abortions and marital arrangements of PEOPLE YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW affects YOUR life.

I would love to know this. I understand you may not like or approve of these things, but to be involved in politics for the sole purpose of STOPPING PEOPLE YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW from doing things YOU don't like seems like some kind of control freak mental disorder to me.

You are in full control as to the makeup of YOUR OWN marriage and what you do with the contents of YOUR OWN womb. Why is this not enough for you? Why do you feel compelled or even qualified to tell OTHER PEOPLE YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW what to do with THEIR marriages and the contents of THEIR wombs?

Such monumental arrogance! Christianity must teach arrogance. That's all I can figure.

People like Anne want the government in FULL control of peoples lives, down to even their personal lives. No to individualism and YES to big, bigger and enormous big brother government. That's so...conservative Anne.

God Bless Iowa.
I just want to say God Bless Iowa. And I Thank God for a great win for a social conservative and moral leader.

For all of you folks living in Iowa, I am sorry for all of these fake conservatives saying all kinds of mean things about you just because Huckabee won in your state. Rather you like him or not, this is just ugly and shows these people for being more like the ultra left than they are anywhere near a true conservative.

The American red state conservatives won today, and all you haters need to return to social conservative values and morals.

Marcita...
"if a man couldn't be faithful to the woman he promised to love for life, why would you trust what he says he'll do for you (the public)."

I am in no position to judge Rudy's relationship at all -- I have no idea whether he was "faithful" or not -- I do know that his marriage was very publicly over long before he met Judith-- so to compare him to a philanderer like Clinton or JFK seems ridiculo And even that falls under the category of "none of my damn business".

Frankly, I am of the mindset that politicians have a right to their personal lives as much as anyone -- and personal relationships are so complicated and well "personal" that it is unfair to judge our leaders by what we may think we know about their personal lives -- "judge not lest ye be judged."

I wish that we voters and the Press would go back to focusing on politicians public lives and actions -- instead of this obsession with making everything that is private for the rest of us...public.

I mean, Jimmy Carter had a "clean" personal life and he was a lousy President.

And FDR, would never have been President because the media and blogs of today would be posting photos of his shrivelled body in a wheelchair every chance they got.

So if you want to make a politicians personal life one of the main criterias for your vote -- so be it.

But in my view, it is the candidates political beliefs and track record of political success that is what is most important.

Robert
Wow you are right DUDE they didnt mention Thompson for third But DUDE you have to give them credit DUDE at least they mentioned HILLERY as third DUDE.

This is what happens...
Huck's surge is what happens when you dumb down the population and tell them that anyone who operates with logic is an elitist. People are stupid and whether it is PC schools with "self esteem", no merit based sectioning, lack of care for results, Iowa giving home schooling a bad name, or whether it be the Talk Radio media and pundits, who have departed from reason since Bush entered office, especially after 9/11.

Horrible schools, Political Pundits, and Rove's pandering to the ignorant is what has done us in. You guys created this Frankenstein and now make him go away or he will do to the National Republican Party what he apparently did to the Arkansas Republican Party and we can see why. He is a lying exploiter of Christ who most people can hopefully see is full of BS. Let's help our "special" friends make a better choice because this is just too ridiculous to be nice or sugarcoat. I am not getting paid to talk so I can write what everyone, whose speech is determined by the market, cannot honestly explain.

marcita...one more thing
I had believed that if Rudy got the GOP nod...then he would enter the general with more excecutive experience and a greater ability to grab pro-war, pro-choice democrats and independents who wouldn't be all self-righteopus and critical of his personal life the way you are. He could I thought put some blue states in play.

But now I think that the GOP is too divided to unify behind any one candidate -- most republicans (on the blogs at least0 it seems would rather stay home and give the election the the democrat by default rather then vote for anyone but their chosen candidate.

Iowans
Today NJ is apologizing for slavery and soon you'll be seeing TX and AZ apologizing for stealing land from the mexicans. In 10 years the hispanics will have cultural and political control.

We can see the indian tribes fighting for cessation today - what do you think the mexicans will try to do in 10 years?

You can change the laws on abortion, environment, trade etc. but once we lose the border we can never go back to being a sovereign country.

Iowans voted for a preacher - america will vote for a president.

Go Mitt!

Iowans
Today NJ is apologizing for slavery and soon you'll be seeing TX and AZ apologizing for stealing land from the mexicans. In 10 years the hispanics will have cultural and political control.

We can see the indian tribes fighting for cessation today - what do you think the mexicans will try to do in 10 years?

You can change the laws on abortion, environment, trade etc. but once we lose the border we can never go back to being a sovereign country.

Iowans voted for a preacher - america will vote for a president.

Go Mitt!

Many may not get it but so many more do
Mike is very in tune to what makes this America go around. Gov't for the people and by the people! There is no way as a minister does he believe that Gov't is the solution to anything,only a change agent.He is far from a liberal I can assure you! He realizes that in order to bring real change to America one must get into the political arena. Why is that so hard to understand? I wouldn't give Florida or Texas to Rudy as of yet. I assure you, as a Floridian, our Primary results will surprise you!

budbud.
Your arguement is very foolish.

If we lived in the 1800s and I asked you if someone you don't know owns slaves and what does that have to do with you and doesn't affect your life, therefore you have no reason to be against slavery.

Its something called morals budbud.

If you want to talk about madness, check out your fit you just threw over someone else's political views which they have a right to.

I guess you would think that people should do nothing about domestic violence either, after all its none of their business.

To crescen7
During the Bush II years we have we have become accustomed to hearing conservatives say things like "business should not give workers any paid sick or vacation days---why should they pay a worker when he isn't working?" and "arrest illegal immigrants when they show up at an emergency room or a school---throw them in a van---truck them to the border and dump them" and "we should round up registered Democrats in the middle of the night and incarcerate them behind barbed wire" and "feel free to shoot your neighbor if he looks at you cross-eyed". And then along comes Huckabee saying "we are a better nation than to do such things". It's been open season on sadism, and now here comes the preacher reminding conservatives to behave like Christians.

Huckabee worries me because with the world in a mess he seems to know zero about foreign affairs, not that most of the other candidates are much better in that regard, but I have to say he is a decent man who appears to chide conservatives for the kind of things they've been saying now for seven years. It's time for some limits to be set. There is such a thing as decency.

Mike Gallagher could learn from history.
Many religious people got involved in politics in history because of moral issues.

We would still have slavery for example if religious people did not get involved in politics.

I would encourage everyone to go see a movie called "Amazing Grace" that has recently come out on DVD. This movie does a great job of illustrating what I am talking about.

Not Quite TNboy...False Arguments!
Not quite TN boy. Equating stopping domestic violence and slavery with stopping gay marriage is a false comparison.

In the case of slavery and domestic violence, there is an injured party whose rights are being violated. The argument you are making is like the argument that the government has a "moral" duty to ban sodomy. But I ask you, if two or more adults consent to engage in oral/anal sex with one another, who is the injured party? If there is no injured party, no wrong has ocurred.

When two gay adults you don't know consent to get married to one another, tell me, who is the injured party? Who has been physically or mentally harmed? Who is the injured party in the gay marriage crying out to be saved? If there is ANY injured party in the case of gay marriage in the U.S., it's gays themselves, with the conservative government acting as an intrusive, busybody into THEIR personal affairs. Hello...less government? May I speak to a conservative please?

Your argument MAY carry a little more weight when it comes to the question of abortion. However, there it comes down to how you percieve the contents of someone elses womb.

If you percieve a fertilzed egg to be an entity worthy of sympathy and protection then your argument carries weight. MOST Americans however, DON'T consider fertilized eggs entities with full rights. If they did, artificial insemination would be illegal in this country, as MILLIONS of unused fertilized eggs are discarded each year by this industry.

Get Over Abortion Already!
TNboy, can you tell me why your anti abortion crowd NEVER talks about wanting to ban artificial insemination. Why is that? FAR...more embryos are destroyed in this industry than are destroyed in the practice of regular old abortion.

Could it be that your side knows if you were to start trying to limit peoples reproductive options, alot of fence sitters on the issue would turn against your cause full force?

You will NEVER see America abortion free. Check into reality. Even IF the SC strikes down Wade, it just goes to the states. MOST states would allow abortion, as MOST Americans still favor the right. Do you think you'll EVER get CA, NJ,NY,MA,RI,NH etc. to ever criminalize abortion?

Go ahead. Make it illegal in the South. That would just amount to a huge financial boom for the liberal states with the creation of abortion tourism!...The moment Wade is struck down you will have parties in liberal states forming to make a buck off of the ruling.

There will be companies and charitable groups springing up all over the country to aid people in getting to an abortion destination.

Short of a constitutional ammendment, you will NEVER see abortion made completely unavailable in the U.S. Furthermore,even if your wildest dream came true, there's always CANADA AND MEXICO!

The borders of both countries will be riddled with abortion providers should the U.S. ever ban it nationwide. Canada and Mexico would love to see us outlaw abortion. It would mean mega millions for them in abortion tourism!

Would your abortion ban include the morning after pill, plan B, invitro services. I don't think you'd get an invitro bann passed in even Alabama!

The destruction of embryos is here to stay. You will NEVER rid this country of it. Never, so get over it. The jeanie is out of the bottle.

Overturning Wade DOES NOT rid the country and certainly not the world of abortion. Just please try and remember that if overturning Wade is your grand motivating factor.

Sagredo writes:
"And speaking of the Barbary Pirates..."

Yes indeed. All you Ron Paul supporters out there."

Give it a rest. You can't get a reliable education from watching Sean hannity, moron.

They were PIRATES. There were LOTS of pirates, not just Muslims. Lots of pirates murdered, raped, and kidnapped. They were PIRATES.

And regardless, did you know the Spanish inquisitions, Crusades, Catholic slaughters, and even the formation of our own country with the indians were all done by people that were "devout Christians." Do we STILL do it?

Just how many people have us Christians killed in the name of spreading Christianity and making it the #1 religion around the world?

The difference here is that we are talking about at most a few thousand Allah-Freaks, and you go BACK in history to pick some retarded example of PIRATISM! Conveniently skipping all the stuff that WE did in before, during and after in the name of OUR religion.

Give it a rest and get a real education instead of the "hey....yeah... thanks Sean... I don't know anything at all, but I think I'll use that against people arguing about the war..."

Did Iraq do 9/11? Do you see Ron Paul's supporters calling on the government to stop going after the terrorists? Do you hear Ron Paul saying we should? No, you hear Hannity TELLING you Ron Paul said it.

Man you people are so fricking ignorant, I swear. If the war on terror is SOOOOOOOO important to you, you would think that you would spend some time educating yourself about it. Instead, you let people like Hannity give you "talking points" and then you run around spewing them like they are some time of argument killer. Well, they are not. You just got your behind handed to you, but since you probably can't understand anything beyond slogans (and if it didn't come from hannity) you don't even realize it.

Oh
And Hannity tells you Ron Paul says alot of things, but he doesn't bother actually quoting him or when he does, he "interprets" for you.

I know, I know... you ain't got time to do the research, so you appreciate it and all that, right?

All the more reason we need to get rid of the Department of Education. You and your cliff notes version of reality are the real reason this country is going down the drain.

And I do hope
that the Huckabee supporters stick around here, because I am completely enjoying their smugness. I will enjoy it even more when they see their guy go NOWHERE else.

Lots of people have won Iowa and lost. Why oh why do you think no one is sending him money?

I really do hope you stick around here and keep up the smugness. It is going to be truly humiliating. Not one person besides you huckadroids actually believes Huckabee is going anywhere.

Huck's win in Iowa was more about a rejection of Romney's religion than anything else. Bigotted churches all across the state got involved and pressed their people to go to the caucuses to knock Romney out. Unfortunately for you, there aren't enough bigotted states to keep the Huckster alive. Go ahead and discount what I'm telling you. Laugh it off all smug. We will be getting the last laugh, and I will bet my last dollar on that.

Bowa
Dear Bowa,

With all of your criticisms of President Carter, I think you would have to agree that of modern presidents in general, Carter had and continues to have the most integrity of all. Now, maybe integrity isn't enough to get us out of trouble in the Middle East, and he did try raiding to get those hostages released, but not outright war, which Reagan was ready to do; nevertheless, he kekpt to his integrity, and continues to this day to contribute to poverty with Habitat for Humanity, and world peace. He continues to live his life wiwth integrity, he did "heal" the nation after Watergate, gave the country a man to trust, and when he passes, I think there will be books written about his magnificent life.

Wow
So Huckabee won because of Romney's religion?

That is currently singlehandedly one of the dumbest things ever on townhall.

Maybe Romney is just a cold-fish candidate whose record and demeanor is not what the people of Iowa were looking for.

I mean outside of cutting taxes he has been against every single thing republicans care about, especially rural lower class republicans. Then there was the non-stop hate comming out of the man.

A campaign of "Ignore my crappy record, but let me tell you why someone else sucks" is not effective campaigning. Its VERY transparent. Then all that is left is a poorly socialized child widdling all over Reagan's Rule.

FRED HEAD
FRED HEAD
Allow me to concede that I am a "FRED HEAD" and pleased with the Iowa results. Of course, being 1 or 2 would have been better but close analysis will prove that Fred got more for less which in Today's reality of TV Blitz campaigning is an excellent predictor.

Much is said about Thompson's "lack of enthusiasm" and "fire in the belly" which is a slanted way of saying he just doesn't produce daily bits and pieces for the MSM; ergo, he's starving the little bast@rds. Well tough merde to the NYT, TIME, MSNBC, and the rest of those dinosaurs. Fred's message is getting around and the message is percolating and the coffee cups are filling with his good ideas.

Fred Thompson does not need to beat the drum harder he just needs more people in the Marching Parade beating drums.

In New Hampshire, I predict Huckabee will stumble big time and I anticipate Fred making another strong showing in the top tier paving a substantial development in SC and Florida/Super Tuesday.


I think based on the comments here
that the democrats are going to win because so many are unwilling to vote for anyone who does not perfectly fit their idea of a republican. If you think Congress was the perfect fit for small government in 2006(take a look at the bills the democrats put forth) then by all means stay home or vote democratic. The most liberal republican is still more conservative then the conservative democratic candidate.

budbud
Regarding your 11:09 pm post, I totally, utterly agree with you...so right on the nose. I for one have far too many things that complicate my life, including my multiply disabled students and whatever I can do for them to improve their lives, while they live in group homes, most without family connections, so classes are more than just class for them; they are a social base as well.

Anyhow, someone questioned the validity of my education, my job, and my entire identity yesterday, which was a real bummer. Well, I got my BA at the Univ. of Central FL, in English, SummaCumLaude, my MA in Special Education at the Univ. of S. FL with Honors, was in fact,after years of teaching, designated by the National Council for Exceptional Children as a Professionally Recognized Special Educator, spent years teaching primary aged multiply challenged children (this is where I had books, chairs, desks thrown at me), and years later after getting beaten up twice, unfortunately the year that improving safety was our school improvement goal, the new principal did nothing since it would then be on the record. I quit, and got a job at a college across the state teaching multi challenged adults, yes, they have programs at colleges to provide the educational aspects of training for adults 21-70 to help them gain work and transition out of the work shelter into the mainstream of society. So, I am for real.

It's quite crummy when someone suggests that the image you have developed from your comments is bogus. I did join the union for legal protection. You never know when one crazy parent might sue you for not teaching creationism in 2nd grade.

Well, budbud, you're right on the nose about people trying to keep their own houses clean. If we can only live up to our own self expectations, our society would be a far better place to live in.
See you later, and thanks, budbud, for listening.

Jeanne Marie
Jeanne Marie, I guess what you are saying is that you never have lived in the real world. Jimmy Carter as an ethical person? The Middle East mess is Jimmy Carter's legacy.

New Political Parody
My blog. Click my handle for the latest offering about the candidates. It's a Zoo!

Huckabee on Leno
I appreciated this article, I missed Huckabee on Leno but did see him on Craig Ferguson.
I was always interested on why a preacher would become a politician. His answer as is stated to "get out of the stands and go to work on behalf of the poor and disadvantaged", is odd and doesn't sit quite right. Nothing is sitting quite right with most of the candidates. Sure, I'll take them over the democrats but I don't want a Rhino and I don't trust the logic of the people who vote. I thought we voted on issues.

crescen7
Re: your Friday 8:30 post. I hear you loud and clear. Very disturbing.

Can you say "sour grapes"?
I agree that the elections are far from over. I also agree that Huckabee's and Obama's victories in Iowa may be nothing more than a flash in the pan. However, all this bashing of the Iowa caucuses seems to be little more than sour grapes. Before the caucuses, everyone was pointing to Iowa as the "first indicator." Now that the caucuses didn't turn out the way some pundits wanted, they're dismissing the caucuses as insignificant.

I expect that kind of talk from Hillary, but it's very beneath a Townhall columnist.

Rudy Lost IA and NH
Rudy lost in both IA and NH. He left the field defeated before any votes were cast. He is 0 for 2. He easily could be 0 for 5. Romney is at least getting substantial delegates.

Rudy could not win with McCain in the mix in those early states. Why will he win in the later states if McCain continues to divide the liberal vote. McCain can only win if Rudy is absent. They defeat each other and can only win if the other is absent.

Romney and Huck are going to stay in and fight for the more conservative wing of the party. Huck has 1/2 of the religious right and Romney has the heart of the party. Romney's chances improve dramatically when Rudy has to go head to head with McCain. In the mean time Romney is winning delegates in each state. Rudy is not.

In the stands?

""Upland William writes: Jan 04, 2008 8:28 AM
In the stands?
Huckabee thinks that being President is a higher calling than preaching the Gospel? ""

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Dead on Upland Williams.

And I will add that if the Huckster is shopping for a good job he should contact Hugo Chávez who is looking for traitorous Americans to spout his brand of populism in our country. Also, the pay would be excellent, for such a fine example of American manhood gone astray, and the money and benes largely untraceable by the IRS, and the sideline benefits could make your mouth water just thinking about them.

Go, go, go Huckster, to Venezuela, where even if the Venezuelans don't appreciate you, Chávez will.

Now Mike Gallagher, you see you were right. There are some of us who really looooove Mr Huckster.


dishonest comment
I am shocked at the blind hatred displayed by people like guru in his quote above. He/ she said about MItt Romney "I mean outside of cutting taxes he has been against every single thing republicans care about, especially rural lower class republicans. Then there was the non-stop hate comming out of the man.
A campaign of "Ignore my crappy record, but let me tell you why someone else sucks" is not effective campaigning. Its VERY transparent. Then all that is left is a poorly socialized child widdling all over Reagan's Rule."

These statements are bizarre. He claims that Romney's only conservative stand is about taxes. WRONG! He has supported the surge in Iraq and is for a stronger military. He is against abortion and has come out in strong support of the federal marriage amendment. He believes in appointing judges that are strict constructionist judges, not those that legislate from the bench. He understands more about the economy and what it takes to build a strong economy than any other candidate. And those lower class republicans that guru talks about are very dependent on a strong economy. If the economy goes south they are the first to suffer. Mitt Romney's business success has provided 10s of thousands of people good jobs.

He has not been negative in his ads. If you think they are negative then it is because you don't like the harsh light of truth shown on your candidates record. A compare and contrast ad is an ad about issues not character. He never attacked the character of any other candidate. He has had his character attacked again and again. Vote for whoever you want to, it is your right, but don't think that your ugly distorted view is going to convince anyone else.

the mood of the body politic
The Iowa votes for the Huckster were mainly evangelicals (60% of caucus goers) based on "moral values"... both he and Obama represent fresh faces... people are sick to death of Presidente Jorge, and weary of the Clintonistas. Close scrutiny of the Huckster's REAL track record and positions will cause him to slide.

Sen. Juan McQuisling has surged because Mitt meanders terribly, Fred seems not to have been ready for prime time (though his positions are excellent), and the war news has finally become less disappointing. Also, the MSM has willfully dismissed Fred T., Duncan Hunter and Ron Paul. I like what Fred SAYS, though I fear that he has been a stalking horse for the ILLEGAL-loving McQuisling.

http://www.fred08.com/virtual/Immigration.aspx
http://www.fred08.com/Index.aspx

Some have posited that Iowa did not indicate a dire concern about ILLEGAL aliens. Actually, it was simply not a key topic. Regularization Rudy, the Huckster, and the others have been born again border enforcement guys recently... even Scamnesty Bill sponsor Sen. Juan McQuisling says, "I got the message" (Middle America is ANGRY/righteously indignant about ILLEGALS). Shrillary was nearly mortally wounded in the recent debate when she let her guard down and revealed that the left wants to give ILLEGALS the vote thru the motor voter fraud shell game (licenses for ILLEGALS).

religious fervor
I live among a lot of evangelical people and I get along fine with them. Many of them are good friends of mine, but I also understand that when they get into a religiously motivated uproar they are a force to be reckoned with. Voting for Huckabee became a call to all good evangelicals to show their support for 'God's Chosen candidate'. When people are motivated by a religious feeling they don't subject their choice to a careful examination. They vote based on emotion. Unfortunately they don't always get it right. They were instructed by their pastors to overlook the obvious shortcomings of Huckabee and vote for him, because he was God's chosen candidate. Chosen to bring America back to a higher moral road. Another strong motivation was the anti-mormon element. This is not a conspiracy theory, it is just an observation of fact. Most evangelical churches indulge in an ugly business of educating their members of the "weird and false ways" of other churches. The major church to get this treatment is the Mormon church. I have seen lots of it. After this effort to educate their members about how frightening and horrible Mormons and Mormon beliefs are, that has been taught to them for many years, it is a very easy jump to now tell them that their responsibility as 'Christians' is to stop the Mormon before he becomes President. That is why Evangelicals turned out in huge numbers to vote. Without that extra large number of evangelicals that turned out to vote for the first time, Huckabee would not have won. Check out the exit poll statistics if you don't believe me. He didn't need money for that kind of turnout, just the support of the Pastors of Iowa. That he had in abundance. It was a religious movement that won the night. They had their night, but now the rest of the country will have a say. I very seriously doubt that Huckabee can fool people that are not caught up in the religious fervor.

Huckabee
Gomer Huckabee. Is this for real?

Huckabee
Huckabee hired the Pres of CFR, the top man running the North American Union,as an advisor. Does this tell me anything?

in the stands
hey once marine..tho' iam fighting a health problem..taking more pills than that OTHER ELVIS!
but my pills are for life saving purposes..not to
space me out..i decided that..reading e mails and especially yours isnt going to make me any worse...so i read them again...and occasionally respond! your in the stands made me laugh!
i heard romney last night..that guy is very smart!he went into details about foreign trade and china,india, and america.and gave details...
AS TO WHY WE SHOULD NOT BECOME ISOLATIONISTS, and what would happen..in the long run! this guy is not afraid to talk into details!SMART!mc cain says romney is desperate to talk about his lousy
immigration deal with kennedy1 if america goes for mc cain..it is desperate! elvis

Iowans
The evangicals refuse to see that Mike Huckabee was playing them, big time.
How can a candidate be chosen by God, if he is lying? And Mike Huckabee is an excellent, skilled liar. But they covered their eyes, and stuck their fingers in their ears, when people tried to tell them his true feelings, his true record.

I am a Christian, but I refuse to let a phoney preacher lie to me, and get away with it. We are warned time and time again in the bible about watching for people like him.
"By their fruits ye shall know them." Look at what he has REALLY done. Don't take his word for it. We are told to beware of wolves in sheeps clothing.
I am disappointed in Evangelicals that refused to hear anything about Mike Huckabee. He was saying what they wanted to hear, and they wanted that message, not the truth. christians should live in fear of the false prophet, not crown him.

robert...you said it not me
your very first line about arkansas and huckabee
covered it ...completely! well said!dumb,etc.
ohhhh, throw in preacher...that is all that matters ....geez...in some states..if bonny and clyde were preachers they would get elected!
elvis

arkansas..and robt.
I PURPOSELY MISSSS SPELLLLED BONNIE! SEA WHAT ALL THIS BLOGGING DOES TO OUR BRAINS!

ELVISSSS

Arkansas isn't exactly the standard
for all Am. It's been 48th-49th in education ever since Bill put Hill in charge of improving AK ed. back in the 80s.

When the Whitewater investigation concluded, 26 people had been indicted, almost all from AK, including the sitting gov. then.

The MSM like Huckabee because they figure he's a ringer who'd give them all their soc. programs and high taxes and everything else a Dem. would give them. As Soc. Sec. and Medicare are about to hreak the fed. gov't in another decade, I can't imagine another soc. prog. we could poss. use.

Terrorism will be addressed by Huckabee with Southern Baptist Christianity. Lord love a duck!

My "fear" of Huckabee is mainly that he
would take down any serious chance our party (and ANY kind of Conservatism) has to keep the White House in 2008.

He has been a media darling for a few weeks now, but see the kind of facts about him that are beginning to come out on Huckabee below:

http://www.townhall.com/news/politics-elections/2008/01/05/ huckabee_gaffes_tarnish_credibility?

renny
"Terrorism will be addressed by Huckabee with Southern Baptist Christianity."

Don't knock it. Any Southern Baptist can tell you that our people are pretty adept at fighting!

P.S. While I like Huckabee's stand on abortion and other moral issues, I share your reservations about his foreign policy - or rather, his lack of one.

Power of the Blind
Follow the Money writes: Friday, January, 04, 2008 12:32 PM
Follow the Money
Rush, Gallagher, Ingram, Hannity et al put on the air in many markets by way of Clear Channel. Clear Channel bought by Bain Capital Partners. Bain Capital Partners owned by Mitt Romney. FOLLOW THE MONEY.

Fox News owned by Rupert Murdoch. Rupert Murdoch in bed with Guilliani. FOLLOW THE MONEY.

Looks like you can't buy the American people.

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We keep hearing that Mitt should have won easily in Iowa; look how much money he spent compared to Huckabee.

When Mitt first entered the race, many were writing him off because he was UNKNOWN! He needed to get the exposure that only good advertising can achieve in a short time frame. So that's what he did, and he now has name recognition.

Unfortunately this has other consequences (unintended as Lincoln would say). He is now caste as the RICH man who can buy the nomination.

Huckabee, however, because he was an evangelical preacher, gets immediate name recognition; not by name, but by a built-in following (evangelicals) who will blindly follow anyone because of their religious leanings.

They have that right!

And, I, and others, have the right to remind everyone that you can't have it both ways. If you reject one person because of his religious beliefs and accept another because of his religious beliefs you are showing your true colors. It comes close to using religion as the measuring stick. If you deny that that's what you are doing, then you are a bigot and a hypocrite.

If the shoe fits, wear it!



Iowa has NOT been a good indicator...
of future nominees and presidents, and the caucus process has some clear limitations, but all candidates play on the same field for that night, and $ alone does not necessarily buy the results. As the old axiom goes, our system of governing ourselves leaves a lot to be desired, but it is better than most alternatives.

It does seem unfortunate that perception becomes reality based on 2 small states... e.g., if Mitt does not win N.H., for example, he could be finished even though he might have done better later in bigger states. The Huckster is likely to fade upon closer inspection of his REAL record, though Jimma' Carter snookered everybody long enough to gain election. If the Huckster were to get elected, Presidente Jorge would be responsible in a key way by stinking things up such that people wanted truly different-- like the Huckster or Obama.

Slick Willie got killed in Iowa in '92, but then spun his 2nd place in N.H. as a "comeback kid" victory... and the MSM let him project that reckoning. then he got lucky that gadfly egomaniac Perot gummed things up such that Slick Willie won with 42% of the vote, then had the unbridled audacity to speak of his "mandate."

HISTORY..IS SCARY
LETS SEE...CLINTONS WERE UP TO THEIR EYEBALLS
IN SCANDALS, HUCKABEE CALLED BEFORE THE BOARD OF ETHICS ..14 TIMES!BOTH REIGNED IN ARKANSAS! I HAVE BEEN IN ARKANSAS..ACTUALLY WORKED THERE BRIEFLY..GOOD PEOPLE BUT TOO NAIVE!AND NEVER SEEM TO LEARN THEIR LESSONS IN POLITICS! BE SURE IF YOU STOP THERE FOR ANY REASON..THAT YOU DONT DRINK THE WATER ...THERE MUST BE SOMETHING IN IT
THAT NUMBS THE SKULL? SOMETIMES.GOOOOOD PEOPLE
ARE THE MOST GULLIBLE!
ELVIS

Tenore2
"Huckabee, however, because he was an evangelical preacher, gets immediate name recognition; not by name, but by a built-in following (evangelicals) who will blindly follow anyone because of their religious leanings."

I'm an evangelical, and you don't know what you're talking about.

"If you reject one person because of his religious beliefs and accept another because of his religious beliefs you are showing your true colors. It comes close to using religion as the measuring stick. If you deny that that's what you are doing, then you are a bigot and a hypocrite."

You are making over-generalized and demonstrably false statements. Such statements are based more on your own negative presuppositions about evangelicals than on fact. Thus, I don't think much room to talk about bigotry.

Tenore2
Sorry to tell you, but Rush is his own man. He has never ever pushed Romney. He said there are no true conservatives in the race. Fred Thompson being the nearest thing.
He got into it about Huckabee because one of Huckabee's staffers said some terrible things about Rush.So he pointed out WHY Huckabee is no conservative. Then he pointed out why McCain is no conservative.
But he said he will back whomever the nominee is.

The truth comes out GOP against GOD
Huckabee scares the Conservatives, ha ha ha.

The truth is he Huckabee is more beholding to the people than the RICH and Corporations. That scares you.

Three legs of the GOP stool:

1) Fiscal Conservative: that ship has sailed with a un-necessary war in the wrong place at the wrong time PLUS, deficit spending which will bankrupt America, earmarks AND growing the Gov like at no other time. The Privatization of the Gov with companies like Haliburton & Black-water has proved to a corrupt boondoggle & waste of good money.

2) Strong Military: Well that ship sailed as well. Its over taxed and weakened. In fact hiring thugs in Black Water is charging the US-Gov $350,000 a yr per person. Wow what a deal. While soldiers are losing their homes, wife, kids and their life for $35k a yr. Walter Reed? cutting PTSD claims? Nice work GOP.


3) Social Conservatism (aka steal religion): The cats out da bag. The GOP does not care about religion unless it gets votes for playing lip service. The lip is being anti-Roe v Wade, anti-Gay rights & anti-embryonic stem cell research. Check those boxes collect your votes. The only thing you might have to do is pick a "strict constructionist judge", which is code for anti-roe v wade.

The GOP is bankrupt & offers nothing except tax cuts for the rich, being corporate ho's, screwing mid America & keeping a war going for power & profit (under the pretense of war on terror).

It's not about redistribution of wealth like YOU THINK, its about making the RICH richer and the LOVE of making people poorer. It's a turn-on seeing people poor; that's what turns the GOP on. The people want some of THEIR TAX MONEY BACK. With GOP will bankrupt America in 7 yrs.

I don' want the GOP to run a religious
platform for anyone.

And Huckabee doesn't fit my religion when he can pardon rapists and murderers in order to soothe his own conscience that he's doing "God's work."

God will do his own work.

I don't want Huckabee's Christian "compassion" extending citizen privileges to illegals, I don't want a foreign policy based on Huckabee's Southern Baptism as we had that with Carter and it got us a kidnapped embassy in Tehran and USSR invation in Afghanistan (a source of trouble still today), and I don't need a pres. to feel my pain. I'll take care of it myself.

The GOP is still better off with fiscal cons. (something briefly abandoned under Bush II), support for private business and property, emphasis on personal responsibility, and strong defense.

The Dems. never claim to any of the above, and we don't need a Huckabee who sounds just like a social Dem. as a Rep. standard bearer.

Mike G is correct
"Savage and the rest of us want to see a candidate that eschews big gummint but also believes in a strong, proactive foreign policy. Who is that?"

Duncan Hunter?

Alan Keyes?

Any Southern Baptist
"Don't knock it. Any Southern Baptist can tell you that our people are pretty adept at fighting!"

Yeah, never heard of bootlegging moonshiners?

Put me in, Coach
"get out of the stands and go to work on behalf of the poor and disadvantaged"

As Mother Theresa did?

What if Mother Theresa ran for president?

First place in Iowa?

Again, the mind wanders.

Chip on the shoulder, or it that a pole?
Jeanne-Marie, it's quite apparent that with all the education that you are so proud of securing. By the presentation of your resume in your comment, which was entirely out of place with the subject matter and comments resented by others here. Indicates what is well known, that money, power or in your case, the attainment of higher education goals. Has not led you to an inner peace or self security, that all humans do desire.

Most that have reach an inner peace, have been where you have been. Searching. Searching for relevance. But one must remove the chip, to be able to free up the spirit, and find what is real in one life.

Wish you luck on your journey.

Iowa is no Florida?
You got that right! Florida is full of old cranky white rascists and brown communist brown rascists!

Mike Huckabee
Like Hillary Clinton, Mike Huckabee knows a moderate can win the general election - but Mike is no moderate when it comes to spending. People continue to forget that it was NOT Mike that gave that court order on the AK schools, it was NOT Mike that voted 80% / 20% to upgrade the roads, it was NOT Mike that told all those Katrina and Rita victims to come to his state.

No, Mike's a fiscal conservative - even when it comes to the poor. He believes that paving a road to success is better than blowing up the rich. And don't forget, he took the state over from Clinton/Tucker with a deficit and turned that into a SURPLUS when he left office.

Mike Huckabee knows his course of action and will surprise the pundits. Just wait and see....
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