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Friday, October 19, 2007
Mike Gallagher :: Townhall.com Columnist
Media Dishonesty in New Orleans
by Mike Gallagher
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One of the biggest injustices ever done to the Bush Administration was the claim that the federal government abandoned the people of New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

You know the narrative by now: angry liberals who have a contemptuous view of President Bush like to spin a yarn of a White House completely indifferent to the pain and loss of all those people left in Katrina’s wake. The more radical the storyteller, the more evil the behavior at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. becomes. New Orleans is a Democratic town, some say, so Bush was glad to have those folks wiped out. Or an even more asinine claim is that since so many Blacks live in New Orleans, the feds just didn’t care to save them.

It’s enough to make you heave.

But now, in October of 2007, comes a pretty extraordinary request from the Police Superintendent there, a guy named Warren Riley. It seems Mr. Riley appreciates the presence of hundreds of National Guard troops who have been patrolling the streets of the city since Katrina so much that he wants to keep them there – indefinitely.

Evidently, the Guard patrols the less populated areas of New Orleans so that the actual police officers can spend more time in the busier parts of the city. But in mid-January of 2008, the National Guard is finally scheduled to leave. Riley said, “I would like to see them stay, at least long enough for us to get one more group through the (Police) Academy,” he said.

Frankly, I had no idea that the National Guard has been functioning as an auxiliary police department in New Orleans for the past two years, did you?

But the fascinating part of this whole issue is the way the news media tries to connect the skyrocketing murder rates in New Orleans with a kind of post-Katrina syndrome. This week, the Associated Press reported that the city earned the title of murder capital of the nation in 2006 when 162 people were killed. Already this year, that number has been exceeded.

The truth of the matter is that Hurricane Katrina doesn’t have anything to do with the crime rate in New Orleans. Just like libs like to blame even the arrival of a hurricane on a Republican president (as if George Bush conjures up the weather from a mystical weather room near the Oval Office), the media is in love with trying to pin everything bad in New Orleans today on the 2005 hurricane.

It’s time for a reality check.

If you do a Google search for “New Orleans Crime Rate,” the first news story that will appear is an Associated Press story from August 18, 2005, entitled “New Orleans Murder Rate on the Rise Again.” This story, which ran 11 days before Katrina, reported on the eye-popping 265 murders committed in 2004. The article also pointed out that in 1994 the city experienced 421 homicides.

I didn’t do very well in math, but 265 and 421 sound like a higher number of killings than last year’s 162. Or even this year’s 163.

The hard truth is that New Orleans has always been crime-infested. There is no connection between Hurricane Katrina and crime. That’s just part of a touchy-feely narrative that is supposed to make us think that anything wrong with New Orleans has to be as a result of Hurricane Katrina. It’s an extension of the bald-faced lie that the Bush Administration purposefully ignored the plight of the city after the floodwaters hit.

If anything, many of the criminals who called New Orleans home have invaded other parts of the country after evacuating and are now perpetrating felonies on unsuspecting victims in Texas, Florida, Oklahoma, and all over the United States.

Ann Coulter likes to expose the liberals’ “doctrine of infallibility,” where certain sympathetic figures (9/11 victims, war heroes) can become activists and no one is allowed to challenge or criticize them because of their victimhood. The same thing is happening with New Orleans. We’re expected to keep National Guard troops there to help the police officers do their jobs as if Hurricane Katrina turned a paradise like New Orleans into a crime-ridden cesspool.

I hate to burst the bubble of people who like to romanticize New Orleans. But the decadence, danger and filth in New Orleans were there well before Hurricane Katrina ever came ashore.

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I really doubt the National Guard
soldiers signed on to patrol the streets of New orleans...

No, really?
Wait, members of the Democrat party are demanding a police state? Let's be happy they are trying to frag members of the Guard, like they are the president.

Why is it that no communities in Mississippi are demanding the same thing? Perhaps it is because those outside of a Democrat-led city like New Orleans are actually rising to the occasion as rebuilding their communities on their own.

See what happens when you build a mentality of disgusting government dependency? The members of the Democrat party are truly sick.

Can you say Nagin, Nagin, Nagin?
Moments after the storm struck, before the finger pointing, before the accusations, I went directly to the Disaster Relief Plan which was still readily accessible in the website of the City of New Orleans. I wish now that I'd saved it as it was compellingly enlightening.

The report, abundant in detail, laid out in finite terms who would do what in case of an occasion such as Katrina. In no uncertain terms, and, I might add, almost arrogantly, the report made no bones about how THEY knew their local situation better than, get this....those blankety blank people at FEMA, spelled out in terms that any 6'th grader would understand.

Nagin and his happy band of brilliant boys made it clear that they didn't want FEMA involved in any way shape or form except for some very basic preliminary training courses which they would like to have some of their key people attend. But otherwise, Federal Government, we know a lot more about this than you pencil pushing geek bureaucrats do and we'd appreciate your staying out of our affairs. The report was studied and vaidated by an outside consultant who gave it a stamp of approval.

Then enter the Governor with her now forgotten, "let me think about it" as she was being begged and implored to sign the document that would start the ball rolling. Maybe tomorrow, after all, there's a lot of details, said she.

Meanwhile, Nagin escaped to another city. I might add here that the beautifully written plan wasn't activated, not even marginally

Try to find that report now.

Probably buried in the sands of Iraq somewhere.

And right next door
In Mississippi, a responsible Governor immediately took appropriate action and signed the necessary documents which moved FEMA into place post haste.

So why aren't we hearing horror stories from Misissippi of the magnitude in New Orleans?

With a Governor like Blanco, a Mayor like Nagin and a Senator like Landrieu, what can anyone say?

Forms, forms, forms
As anyone who is even casually acquainted with government procedure knows, if you don't fill out the forms, you don't get the help. Has Nagin filled out ANY of the forms yet?

To well, now
If they read their contracts with any level of understanding, yes they did sign up for this sort of thing.

I spent two years in the Guard before enlisting Active Duty. We all understood that disaster relief, internal security, riot control, etc were rather more likely duties than deploying overseas.

Having said that, my old Guard brigade (39th) spent a year in Iraq in 2004-2005...

the title of your article
It should read "Media Dishonesty about New Orleans"...

your opinion is what I would expect in a bar room amongst angry drunks... angry white redneck drunks...


Federal response
The greatest air and land rescue ever in the U.S. was in New Orleans post hurricane Katrina.
Thats the truth. Don't beleive it, just ask the Coast Guard.
Semper Paratus.

Nice try
"Just like libs like to blame even the arrival of a hurricane on a Republican president (as if George Bush conjures up the weather from a mystical weather room near the Oval Office), the media is in love with trying to pin everything bad in New Orleans today on the 2005 hurricane.



Mike, I'm not sure you heard this yet but President Bush took responsibility for shortcomings in the federal response to Hurricane Katrina, saying the storm had "exposed serious problems in our response capability at all levels of government."

By the way, its the goverments JOB to protect its citizens regardless of the presence of decadence, evil or filth.

This essay is dumb
I am always amazed how people either want to give the government too much responsibility, or too little responsibility. Why is it so difficult to find a balance?

With all the relief missions in the world, Katrina is probably the only one where the response was to send in troops to protect property (stores) rather than to help the people.

The administration has a twisted view of reality, and it expresses itself in everything it does. It is afraid of its own responsibility. All tyranny stems from a government that it afraid of its own people.

http://www.behappyandfree.com

20 years ago

A friend of mine from Louisiana told me that if the pumps every quit in New Orleans, they were going to be in trouble. He said everybody knew if "the big one" hit, there would be flooding big time. Golly, guess he was right.

Want to see why NOLA had problems, when Katrina hit, check out this map of the city, http://www.gnocdc.org/maps/elevation.html

Much of the city is at or below see level.

Rock jones
I see you are an unbeliever. You must not believe your eyes either. Remember when you were watching the news post hurricane Katrina. You must have seen all those helicoptors flying around. Did you think they were sight seeing?
They were Coast Guard, Navy, Marine Corps, Army
and National Guard which are all part of the
FEDERAL Government. Do you know what it takes to divert that many resources in a matter of a few days? Do you know what kind of maintenance effort goes into getting that many helicoptors up and running in so short a time?
Thats not right wing left wing stuff. Those are the facts. The fact is Your Federal Government swung into action before the storm was even over. Meanwhile the local government sat on their hands and could not make a decision pre or post Katrina.

You cannot do enough for Blacks
Never, ever, ever. No matter what you do, it will never be enough.

Do not even bother to try to explain anything to them. Do your job and move on.

Steve
What exactly are you talking about? The National Guard was used to help evacuate the people in danger, was misused by Willam Jefferson to secure his ill gotten gains, and was used to provide security when the police were not able to function. Now that the police department is up and running, it is time for the Guardsmen to turn the job of policing NOLA over to the NOPD.

What this article has to do with people not creating a balance with governmental reponsibility is foolishness; it has nothing to do with anything in the article or in the responses.

And what is your last paragraph about? You jump from accusing the administration of having a teisted view of reality, to a fear of responsibility, and tyranny developing from a fear of the people. What does that have to do with anything??!!

Angry trolls or what?
Come on, people! First, jazzology, what is YOUR opinion? Tell us how things should have gone in LA that would have followed our system of federalism? The libs here seem to think GWB is in charge of EVERYTHING, and is to be a first responder. That is not reality, nor is it how it should be. To those who keep harping that Bush "the blame, therefore it is his fault" should give us all a break. Of course mistakes were made. Have Dem presidents always come riding in like knights in shining armor to save the day when disaster has stricken? Ask Florida....

The problem with NO is that the city was a cess pool before Katrina. Many of the people there would rather sit on their ample butts and whine rather than roll up their sleeves and do what it takes to fix problems. They even reelected the mayor that helped cause some of the problem!

Get ready for more
The publicity from Hurricane Katrina exposed the long corrupt local government of New Orleans as one of the worst in the Nation. It follows that when the government is corrupt, the citizens will also become corrupt. According to an article by Mona Charen, "Mexico ranks number one in the world for disappearances of women, number two for kidnappings for ransom (number one of countries not at war), number two for number of narco-cartels, and number three for murders per capita."

As the politicians of our own country continue to flout the law in areas of illegal aliens and ignoring the mandates of the Constitution while they swear before God to uphold that very Constitution, we will see more and more of this. People see a corrupt government as license to engage in everything illegal. The citizens figure why should they uphold the law when their own leaders don't.

The triumph of liberalism
New Orleans and Lousisiana have been bastions of liberal power for 40 years. The city and state were woefully unprepared for a a disaster, and had no idea what to do in the days leading up to Katrina's landfall. Money for desperately needed levee repair was instead used to fund casinos, for crying out loud. Lawsuits filed by liberal environuts prevented a lot of work on the levees as well. That's how libs work, though -- waste lots of money on feel-good garbage instead of preparing for potential disasters, then expecting somebody else to ride in and clean up the mess. It illustrates the fundamental difference between conservatives and liberals. Conservatives expect to take care of themselves, and liberals expect somebody else to take care of them.

Keep drinking the Kool-aid
I would like to believe this political spin, but I have LIVED Katrina for the last two years. I live in LA and my mom lives in Pass Christian, MS. The government abandoned both areas through ineptitude. Protecting the party is more important than protecting American citizens. I use to believe in the greatness of my country. I can't do that anymore, because I have eyes and ears. The citizens of southern LA and MS have been through hell and I am sorry that our own citizens can not support them with even an iota of compassion.

What Media Dishonesty
The MSM is sometimes not just "dishonest," there are moments when it completely misses the boat. The $183 million sale of New Yawk Times stock by Morgan Stanley hit the news recently. So what is the rest of the story? Who or what bought it? That is more important to me - what if the buyer was a company that is in my 401k? Warning! If you Google, be aware that the answer may be tilted in the direction of "liberal." So why not leave the Guard in New Orleans since it doesn't cost anything. It is free isn't it?

Gulf hurricanes
The Katrina storm was not the first to hit a populated US Gulf city, nor was it the strongest. I'll grant that it took deadly aim on a major US coastal city, and that alone complicated the logistics...especially when the majority of the inhabitants of that city had a "government as nanny" mentality.
This being said, one must remember that people who live in danger zones, whether it be the Gulf coast with Hurricanes, California with earthquakes, a river flood plain anywhere, or "tornado alley" through the midwest, choose the danger, and when "the BIG one" comes, it should NOT be a complete surprise, nor should people be completely unprepared to meet the challenges of it.
The failings in 2005, as Bush said, happened at all levels of government, but in the immediate aftermath of the landfall of Katrina, it was the local and state governments which caused the most pain, suffering, and delays; this can not be disputed.
...and the media coverage? irresponsible beyond belief! Thank God it was Mother Nature that invaded because I can't imagine the circus of media chaos had it been a foreign army.

Gallagher
You get the "one" rating for a column that is two years too late. And to all of you idiot Katrina whiners, when are you going to get off of the perpetual victim wagon? Hugo came through my town, leveled the fence around my pool and ripped the roof off of my house and I live 150 miles from the coast!. I got over it in a few days with the help of the insurance company that I had paid for myself. So why in God’s earth should I pay for Katrina recovery in NO or MS? As far as I am concerned all of you perpetual victims can KMA.

Katrina, FEMA, Brown
The federal government abandoned New Orleans long before Katrina. In the first month of the Bush II administration The Heritage Foundation sent a policy paper to the new President advising him to put political loyalty ahead of competence when making a federal appointment. All who doubt that may google "Taking Charge Federal Personnel"---the paper is online. Michael Brown was not a disaster management specialist. FEMA had been gutted of disaster professionals and packed with "loyal Bushies". The federal government was not the only Katrina culprint, but it remains one worth addressing. The wreckage of New Orleans stands as a permanent monument to what happens when the Civil Service is dismantled, and dismantling the Civil Service has been a clear goal of Bush II.

What???
You try to justify that W did not abandon New Orleans by indicating that over 2 years later they still require Martial Law because the city still sits just as it did the week after Katrina in many places!

Where would New Orleans be if we'd spent the same $12B a month there that we're spending in Iraq?

We've spent billions of dollars to rebuild, inadequately of course, Iraq.

Incredible that Cons see no issue spedning a trillion dollars (we're almost there) in Iraq, but to spend 1/50th of that for Middle income Child Care for American kids, NO WAY!!



Hypocricy in Willy Wonka Town
I watched the coverage of Katrina and its aftermath. The big problem with TV coverage is that it creates the impression that the scope of the event is no biggeer than the acreen of your TV, which can in no way depict the true extent of the devastation. What really whizzed me off was to listen to the media wailing about the plight of the victims and the absence of gubmint magicians to levitate the city from peril, but during the whole weeping and gnashing of teeth I never saw a news chopper pull a single person from a rooftop or even do as much as drop a bottle of water to a stranded citizen.

America blindly walked by!
__Those angry liberals reaped the benefit of their coddled masses. The growing, liberally pampered, segment of our society whose learned responsibility is self, and self love. We all sat in front our tv's, computer moniters, and watched video of the masses walking past, and ignoring, the plight of the injured, elderly, and others, who could have used a helping hand. We saw, and heard reports of looters expending energy to steal all they could, while that same energy could have been spent helping others. Those two examples shine a brilliant light on how their actions put a strain on the heroic actions of Americans who helped those in need. The negative left political energy, along with negative left media, acted to justify the actions of those walking by. Those in our society who enjoy the energy being spent by others, to protect our society, so they can spend energy on personal prosperity. All of this is a reflection, a culmination, of years being coddled by liberal legislation, and its detraction from our responsibility to this nation. Of coarse this angers the left, because it shows they have been stealing the enegy of this nation for years. The peoples energy, and the product of that energy, to secure power, and possession. They've dumbied the walk-by's down, and now need to defend them.

To lilly and nobrains
Where does it say in the Constitution that I have to pay for New Orleans?

Go back and look at my earlier post for you NO whiners. It applies to you.

crumbsrmine writes: 19, 2007 6:31 AM

President Bush took responsibility for shortcomings in the federal

its the goverments JOB to protect its citizens regardless of the presence of decadence, evil or filth.

DESKJOCKEY WRITES

Bush violated his oath of office going in there. Klinton created this new mandate and moral hazard for FEMA.

doctorj writes: 19, 2007 7:54 AM

I use to believe in the greatness of my country. …. The citizens of southern LA and MS have been through hell and I am sorry that our own citizens can not support them….

DESKJOCKEY WRITES

The people choose to build cheaply in a well known hazard area. At least Evil Kneivel didn’t whine when his great risk would fail. They also had very cheap giver-ment subsidized insurance they didn’t bother buying. It is not the job of your neighbor to protect you from yourself.

AmeriKans are the most generous and they are their giver-ment moved billions into that cesspool of state wards.

I pray when my next Hugo hits that at least 10,000 others property is destroyed so that I can get paid. If it happens to one person it matters not, but 10,000 voters gets the people’s & giver-ment check books opened.

As Vic says Hugo came through our towns and I fixed my roof, cut up the 12 trees that fell fixed the water damage inside, and because I carry a very high deductible I paid out of pocket. People who can’t take responsibility for their choices are a disgrace. It never occurred to me that somebody else was responsible for my choices and were obligated to protect me from the vagaries of life.

Our founders created a nation of dependent whiners and we should have listened to the anti-Federalist so we’d have a nation of men, not babies.

All I need to know....
... is that the Canadian Royal Mounted Police got to Katrina victims before any US agencies.

That means Dudley Doright is more on the ball than George W. Bush.

You're doing a heck of a job, Bushie!

http://www4.army.mil/ocpa/read.php?story_id_key=7875

http://ww2.ps-sp.gc.ca/publications/news/2005/20050904-4_e. asp

wolfpat writes:
Forms, forms, forms
As anyone who is even casually acquainted with government procedure knows, if you don't fill out the forms, you don't get the help. Has Nagin filled out ANY of the forms yet?

Have you heard him speak? I doubt that he can even spell his name!

jazzology writes:
the title of your article
It should read "Media Dishonesty about New Orleans"...

your opinion is what I would expect in a bar room amongst angry drunks... angry white redneck drunks...

The facts ma'am just the facts. Jazzology like most libs just cant deal with the facts. If I had my way I would have written that $hithole off except that the Republicans had to keep the state of LA on the reservation. Blanko, Nagan and Landreau are not qualified to run a one car parade.

Aw, poor Bush
To think that his opponents - and 76% of Americans - would actually have the nerve to accuse Bush of abandoning the NO community! After all, he's put Halliburton in charge of reconstruction, yes? And those little tin hothouses they installed for temporary housing in the interim have been so effective in keeping the disaster's aftermath homeless so well protected from the environs - haven't they?

It seems that the Rightwing foot soldiers are being given their marching orders on NO, and now the minions are going to be barraged with falsehoods regarding the state of affairs in NO. Not unlike, of course, the Walter Reed fiasco, which is STILL horrific, even after Bush vowed to do right by our wounded soldiers. Yeah. Right.

Gallagher's kind of gross misinformation is criminal.

talisman
A thunderstorm came through here last night and lightning damaged some of my electronic equipment. I need a check from you to pay for it.

Send it on.

Chocolate City?
What about Hurricane Nagin saying, “New Orleans will always be a chocolate city.”?

That was priceless.

His back pedaling was even better,

“When you mix the milk chocolate with the white chocolate you have yourself a tasty drink.”

You can’t make this stuff up.

lilly lies
FYI, Lilly, FOUR hurricanes hit Florida the year before Katrina. Why were there no complaints of FEMA's response then? Could it be that Florida is actually governed by competents, unlike the New Orleans - Louisiana one party system of corrupt and incompetent Democrat apparatchiks who hae had an iron grip on the city and state for decades? Katrina hit Alabama and Mississippi too, by the way, and if anything the Mississippi Gulf coast was hit worse, as it has many times in the past decades.

Your blatant intellectual dishonesty, so typical of the Far Left, is disgusting.

I hope this isn't a repeat
I don't have time today to read down through everyones response, but right after Katrina, when all the screaming of "where's FEMA and what the h*ll are they doing?" I went to FEMA's website, at least what you can access. Right there in plain sight, for everone to see, was FEMA's mission statement. Guess what was NOT in FEMA's missions statement? First response/rescue.
According to their own missions statement, FEMA was to come in 7 to 10 days AFTER a disaster, evaluate relief efforts and provide FUNDING to fill shortfalls. In wading through the typical government BS, it turns out FEMA's main duty was working with the insurance companies to make sure all funding was available for rebuilding after a disaster. I believe "mitigation" was the term most used.
Apparently those bitten by the liberal ignorance gnat can't read or understand such lofty terms as "mission statement" or understand, no matter what they like to believe, it is NOT the fed's job to come rescue them from their own ignorance and laziness.

Been there, done that
I was born and raised in New Orleans, spent years as an NOPD officer there (when the murder rate was over 400 per year). I'm in my late 40's, and I remember hearing as a small child about the problems with the levees, the pumps, the elevation of the city, etc. I also remember a popular saying among the locals, "Louisiana has the best politicians money can buy!" For DECADES everyone knew that the levees and pumps would not withstand a Cat 3 or above hurricane. BILLIONS of dollars were sent to fix the problem, was diverted to other projects and stolen, and more was requested, and given. Nothing changed, except the names of the crooked politicians. The air of entitlement, dependency, graft, corruption, and incompetance remained the same.

I don't remember the exact numbers...
I don't remember the exact numbers, but there was a report on how much federal money has been spent on New Orleans for the Katrina aftermath. It turns out that if you were to divide the total money spent and give each of the pre-Katrina residents of New Orleans and equal amount, they'd each receive something on the order of $400,000.

This, of course, begs the question of why, in God's name, bother rebuilding New Orleans? It would cost half as much just to hand a $200,000 check to each of their residents and tell them to find someplace else to live. For most of them, that would buy them a home that is far, far, FAR nicer than anything they ever could imagine.

But instead we're being forced by corrupt Democrats (but I repeat myself) to funnel money into yet another Democrat boondoggle (again, apologies for the redundancy).

give them nothing
This is a city that reelected the chocolate city mayor and William "the fridge" Jefferson. This is a city that is below sea level AND SINKING!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why rebuild a disaster with a pending disaster. GIVE THEM NOTHING

Steve
The federal government's primary effort immediately after Katrina was in pulling out of the water about 50,000 people who had ignored the order to leave New Orleans. This was an amazing rescue effort. The incompetent governments of New Orleans and Louisiana resisted help offered by the federal government. The primary responsibility for responding to emergencies is with the local government. Even now the local authorities want help only on their terms. After the severe hurricane that hit Florida while Clinton was President, FEMA showed up 30 days after the event. Florida's government is competent so no one worried about the Federal government's response.

Libs
Two points:

1. Please take a Gov 101 course ASAP....your lack of knowledge and understanding of our local/state/federal government system is staggering.

2. Take a trip to LA or NO. Their government is "unique" - at best, and is totally unlike any other state in the union...after a few short days you will be back on here apologizing for your ignorant statements.

Been There, done that, Part 2
I saw third and fourth generations in living in the same projects that their great grandparents lived in, which were designed as temporary housing. As NOPD, when we kick in a door in the projects on a narcotics warrant, it was like going through the mirror in Alice in Wonderland. On the outside, the building looked like Beirut. But on the inside...all leather furniture, big screen tv's, everything that I couldn't afford on a cop's salary, including OT, court pay, and extra details. All paid for by the government and drugs. Oh, sorry, the tenants paid around $2.00 a month, and got food stamps, SSI, welfare, etc. I could never understand why these people couldn't get a job, since they were obviously smart enough to run a drug business, healthy enough to outrun the police, and successful enough, with no legal earned source of income, to live quite nicely in their world (while driving nice cars too!). All of this while I had to put oil in my police unit out of my own pocket, so that I could "protect and serve".

Intentional, contented, self-inflicted "victimhood" seemed to serve all very well.....until the much predicted and expected "big one" came. Then everyone cared only about themselves, and expected the government to do everything for them. And why not? It has for several generations! You reap what you sow!

Why is
None of the media is talking about the average $250 K per person we have already spent on every single person living in NO so far? Even if you were to blame peso george instead of the holy gov and mayor (who both hold more of the Responsibility for the deaths), what have they done since? Plain fact is they are like spoiled children, and it does not matter what you do for them it will never be enough, and I say cut them off. Leave it up to them now to sink or swim as it were!

HUNTER /Tancredo 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com

Government Still On Guard In New Orleans
Shame.

The Democrats institutionalize a poor, beggar class with free goods and services and this is what you get: an entire society, corrupted, crippled and helpless in its own recovery.

Shame.


lilly
__The paper submited by the Heritage Foundation was not advising honorable President Bush "to put political loyalty ahead of competence". Get a clue girl, and understand it for what it is. A letter advising of the need to return competence in a government loaded with an out of control bureaucracy. Could it be you are one of those employed, prospering, according to this bloated bureaucracy. A system so weighed down, that the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing from lack of communication. I can give you examples of some very detrimental aspects of the system, and how lack of communication has cost me, and increases the cost for America. President Bush knows of these detrimental effects, and acts to correct their limitations. Most Americans have no idea of how they are being blindly robbed by the left, and their factions. They have no concern, has the "oh my" whimps peer out their window upon the turmoil of others.

Ice dog , James
I tried telling the truth. It fell on blind eyes.

The best friend
of democrats has been the media constantly spinning democrat talking points. And the best friend of democrats who have been on an angry quest for the return of power is exaggeration and criticism. Failing to offer positive alternatives, the democrats have relied on criticism. None of us can stand a day by day, hour by hour crtique of our choices and decisions. Neither can the government whether it be republican or democrat. If the dems regain power in '08, regretfully, we will see the tables turned on the dems and the negativism and conflict will continue.

Military Lovin' Dogg
Not just the media, the Gov and Mayor have alot of blood on their hands! I really wonder if the Gov had enough smarts to know she HAD to ask for federal help? Also, what about all the drown school buses sitting in that parking lot? Why not take them and help get people out instead of sending them to that h**l hole? spin all you want, plain fact is, they failed at their jobs when it counted most. But what the hey, let's reelect him and blame God!

HUNTER /Tancredo 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com



media dishonesty
I am originally from LA, and I can tell you that NO was a cesspool before Katrina, and wouldn't you know it, is still a cesspool afterwards. The media is not only dishonest about the responsibility of the local leaders who were abject failures in the aftermath, but their greatest dishonesty is the silence of truths and facts that would go against their cherished liberal views. All the media need do is simply not report about Mississippi and other Gulf Coast cities that did not require massive government aid because their citizens and leaders are responsible, decent human beings, and bingo, it all looks like a disaster due to the federal gov not stepping in soon enough.

And by the way, if you really want a taste for NO and the failure of liberalism. There is a story NPR did on a liberal teacher who left his job and went to NO to teach the poor disenfranchised black students. He had a rude awakening to the attitude of black kids in NO, and in spite of the evidence of their self-deserved failure, he proceeded in his own liberal way to blame everything except the kids themsleves.

G.O.

From Someone Who Was There
Folks - I read this and wanted to address some issues and inaccuracies.

First, as has been already pointed out, this *is* what National Guardsman sign up for.

Officials at both state and local levels decided to not decide about whether to declare a state of emergency until it was too late. Theirs is the responsibility for the large number of people in New Orleans when Katrina struck, though there were a bunch of knuckleheads who would've stayed no matter what...and they weren't just poor black people, but included wealthy whites who had decided they were invulnerable.

The Mounties weren't the first ones there, though their help was greatly appreciated. The Louisiana National Guard started arriving the night before Katrina, and showed up in force the day after. Time magazine, of course, reported that no National Guard troops showed up until the following Friday...so much for MSM credibility. I got there the morning after the hurricane hit, and my Louisiana Army National Guard unit ran the wholesale distribution of water, ice and MREs.

I believe the murder rate quoted in the article was the rate per 100,000 people. That probably would give NOLA the dubious honor of murder capital.

Part of the problem with the crime rate is that the crooks went to other cities like Houston, where there actually is a functional law enforcement system, and realized that the enviroment in those places was much less friendly than their hometown (where the DA and the police force seem to be each othere's sworn enemies). They came back to New Orleans, while a lot of poor people found jobs, self-respect and less crime in those places and decided not to return.

talisman scribbles:
Gallagher's kind of gross misinformation is criminal.

And at best your's is bullspin as Usual!

HUNTER /Tancredo 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com



a VERY tired Liberal mantra
To try and liken the funds expended on DEFENSE to welfare dollars IS completely loooney.
The PRIMARY Constitutional mandate of government at the Federal level IS DEFENSE; the Founding Fathers at least were intelligent enough to comprehend that if there was no USA there would be no need for anything else. The Defense mandate of the US Constitution is plainly stated and doesn't require the "interpretations" used to justify most ALL Liberal programs at the Federal level. NO WHERE are Federal dollars for levies mandated in the US Constitution, nor is there any mention in that document of SCHIP or other Federal welfare programs.
You should look upon the dollars expended in Iraq, and elsewhere in THE WAR ON TERROR, to be akin to those you are so quick to condemn were not put into the New Orleans' "defense system" of levies, thereby contributing to the magnitude of the Katrina disaster. The work being done in Iraq is part of an international levy system intended to protect the USA, and indeed the entire free world, from the radical waves of Islam who are intent upon the establishment of the world wide caliphate, as called for in the Qouranic Suras.
You would argue that this international defense levy should not be constructed, or defeciently constructed, leaving this country at the mercy of those who would destroy her and moot any needs of domestic welfare programs championed by Liberals.
Federal dollars for DEFENSE are Constitutional beyond any doubt, but domestic welfare programs, inclusive of local levies, are legislated for political and NOT Constitutional purposes; they are just as much "PORK" as a pig's butt!

Bush Should Have Known!
Military Loving Dogg offers sarcastically, "So those images of Bush playing guitar and Condi buying shoes - while Americans were trudging through muddy water in NO ... that's NOT incompentency and indifference! Nope - that's a HOSTILE media!"

Actually, it was an enabling media, bent on deflecting responsibility from the pitiful first-responders(generous here)of a very corrupt and paralyzed Democratic machine of a government that extended all the way from the local parishes to the Governor's office.

In hind sight, Bush should have known that any wholly Democratic controlled society would be so crippled by hand-outs that they wouldn't have the where-with-all to tie their own shoes.

Yes, Bush should have known that he would have to do it all for them! New Orleans had become the poster child for a nanny state and it needed a momma.

media and katrina
Instead of casting coninual blame on the president why doesn't the media pay some attention to the fact it may be the worse placed city in the country. Large portions lie below sea level. A large lake sits to the north and the river flows around a large portion of the city. The city is criss crossed with canals to channel water. But if things flood where is the water to go. One must still wonder whether or not their "brilliant" mayor, buses nagin, has come up with a comprehensive plan to rebuild the city and how to evacuate should another hurricane come. Future flooding of the river and future hurricanes are inevitable and how many billions will be needed to rpotect the city for the next storm. There is a report out that the govt is buying up homes along the gulf to provide a buffer zone and to limit future damage from coming hurricanes. Perhaps the govt should likewise consider moving nola as cheaper in the long run

Libs -- go back and read
the post from boots at 9:57. Were any of YOU growing up there, like he was? Nuff said on that.

Tell it like it is


Boots tells it the way it really is down there. He was just a grade schooler the first time I was down that way in the 70's when some of those "projects" were still relatively new and it was no different then than now. It's the children who I saw in those days who were the adults in New Orleans when Katrina hit, the same indolents who felt the world owed them a living.

And AudiR10, kudos for having the courage to call a spade a spade, I won't dignify her description, I believe that I'm just saying out loud what I've seen all over the USA, having also lived in So. California when the Watts riots broke out.

We live in a small town on Vancouver Island now, having escaped from California some 24 years ago but retained our US citizenship. A group of goody goody judgmental churchies from our area went down to New Orleans ostensibly to provide relief aid. For a couple of them, it was the first time they'd ever seen more than a half dozen blacks in their lives. These are the kinds of Canadians who look down their aquiine noses at the USA for how POORLY we treat those folks.

When they returned, they had become converts, they could not even begin to tell everyone what they saw and experienced as the local people in New Orleans sat drinking beer while those dumb Canucks toiled in the hot sun.

The relief mission was cut short by half. We now have a few more "educzted" Canadians that won't be castigating the USA anymore.

And kudos to all the people in Florida & Mississippi for not uttering a whimper, cleaning up the mess of all that they went through whilst BROWN was the Director of FEMA, something his critics seem to have let slip through their minds, assuming liberals have minds.

Maybe we could do an even swap with Mexico?

doctorj
My family is from down there near Pass Christian and Biloxi. Other than offering assistance to them right after the storm, we have not had to support them in any way and I have not heard one of my cousins screaming or complaining that the government is not doing enough. I guess it comes from the fact that my family is truly a southern family. We take care of our own when they need it, but when the time comes, we let them go to take care of themselves, and shocker of all shockers they actually do!!!

lib bloggers
Newsmax has an excellent article of the objective of lib bloggers and their leader Hilary and Georgie porgie soros

Military Lovin' Dogg, don't fret...
...they'll be over to change you messy diapers as soon has they can.

Military Hatin Mutt
Military Hatin Mutt writes:

"You're NOPD and YOU admit it?

The most corrupt policeforce in America - bar none!"

Please get someone literate to read my post to you and explain it to you. Reread the following: "spent years as an NOPD officer there (when the murder rate was over 400 per year)"

I WAS NOPD, in the 90's. There are alot of liars, fakes, and brain dead people posting here...does that make them all that way?

And your authority to speak of all police forces comes from where? Your heart? The way you "feel"? As always, brain dead liberals can't debate facts (they're so inconvenient and don't have anything to do with the way you "feeeel"), so they descend to inuendo's, generalizations, and personal attacks. I am not proud of how the Dems have destroyed N.O. for decades, but I am proud of my time as NOPD, and as a U.S. Marine prior to that. I have "been there, done that" and am proud of it...proud of the lives I saved as NOPD, the scum I took off the street, and the professional and honorable way I've conducted myself. Can you honestly say that?

Bush ignored what?
"It’s an extension of the bald-faced lie that the Bush Administration purposefully ignored the plight of the city after the floodwaters hit."

And how much other media/leftist cr@p have we read about since this administration took over that they have simply ignored???

Well I have to note that if the hillbilly couple gets back into the WH, they will most definitely NOT be ignoring ANYTHING disapproving that's said about ol' Shrill's administration. Her media-watching machine is already fully in place and operational. Ought to be entertaining to watch the scrimmages.

Military Lovin' Dogg scribbles:
The problem with conservatives is that they're such skin flints - and so uncaring of their neighbors, that they look to the constitution for what it DOESN'T provide - not the possibilites of what it DOES...


Funny, no where on here did I read that any of these skinflints wanted their money back. They seem to agree enough is enough, but I about bet we are not done sending money down there yet. I don’t know how you can afford a computer to post here at TH what with you giving all your money to charity and the downtrodden of NO.

HUNTER /Tancredo 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com


Provide Defense - Promote Welfare
Military Loving Dog asks, "That bit about promoting the general WELFARE - you don't think that includes keeping American citizens safe from natural disasters?"

Let's see, "... provide for common defense, promote general welfare .." not the other way around as you suggest. Do you think the Founding Fathers were not good wordsmiths and wrote a typo, they meant to say provide general welfare?

Somewhere along the line, a society has to take care of its own. The US Government was not set up as a nanny state. A critical area that the Constitution promotes general welfare is by leaving the citizenry alone to help themselves.

Unfortunately, after generations of Democratic meddling and hand-outs for votes, the area had become so corrupt that it had no idea how to be self-sufficient. To this day, it is still a lost child looking for its nanny.

militarylovindogg
"promote the general welfare", as I stated, required interpretations of the meaning and the interpretations as to the meaning of this brief verbal flurry has been used to build the behemoth of a Federal government we are enslaved to today; a Federal government the Founders would not recognize nor countenance.
Do you see "general welfare" as mentioned in a national document to extend to the levies of a particular city in a particular state? If you do not reside in that city, do you benefit? "general" as intended by the Founders was to mean "applicable to or affecting the whole or every member"

dogg ignoranus
So how is the fact that the NOPD is the most corrupt police force in the U.S., which you have just admitted, Bush's fault? How is the most corrupt political system of any state and city in the U.S., namely, New Orleans/Louisiana, Bush's fault? You know, don't you, that New Orleans and Louisiana have been dominated by a corrupt Democrat political machine for almost a century, don't you? You've lived in New Orleans, haven't you?

How do you explain the fact that your liberal ilk, namely envirowhackos, have consistently blocked attempts by the Army Corps of Engineers to install floodgates and improve the levees in the New Orleans area? How is this Bush's fault, decades after the fact?

Idiot. Liar.

Tish, with praise...
...I salute you, and the American patriots of your family. A great amount of truth in your words! God Bless You.

I'm Here, Been Here
jazzology, it sounds like you are a native of N.O. whether or not you're still here, I don't know. As a life long resident and a returnee since about November 2005, New Orleans is a product of activistism, the "Great Society" under Johnson in the 60's. I guess the emergence of Atlanta with its black influence putting the Crescent City into the dust heap was also a "Bush plot" since this has also been occuring under his "watch." What, did he forget to stifle the "slaves" in Georgia? Get a life (or a brain) and forget this "whitey doin' it to me" crap and let's elect leaders who care for our city and not for a particular race. New Orleans wasn't built by the Federal Government and the Federal Government can't control who we elect like Edwards (convict), Morial (almost whole family under indictment), Jefferson (frozen food and cash entrepeneur)--do I need to continue?

Corruption doesn't have a color. Neither should our mindsets.

Gallagher has it mostly right except isn't the National Guard a State function? You speak like its Federal. Blanco failed in her role as governor to activate the forces under her control which started the problems because I guess she thought the President should . . . but he couldn't . . . it was her job . . . and he played his Constitutional role of waiting to be asked for help to protect sovereign States' Rights as it should be. Dubya, so evil following the rules . . .

Living in N'Awlins
I grew up in the Irish Channel on Race and Constance street in New Orleans. For some dumb reason, in 1953, my dad wanted a bar and restaurant. He bought one on Dumaine and Rendon. We got out of it in early 1955, owing a lot of money. We moved to Jefferson Parish, got three Times Picayune newspaper routes, and paid everypenny off in three years. My dad and brother threw the papers in the 1942 Chevy, and my mom and I with my sister asleep on the back seat of the 55 Ford also delovered the papers. Nash Roberts was the N.O. weather Guru, and every hurricane season, he preached that whatever hurricane was approaching could be the "big" one. We threw the papers within hours after the hurricane passed, stepping over downed wires and debris. All of this while my brother and I went to Catholic schools and played football and ran track. My parents never asked for, or wanted government assistance. We did it on our own. We eventually moved to Lakeview, then "Moon" Landrieu, Mary's dad, was elected Mayor of N.O., and it's been a downward spiral ever since. My wife, daughter, and I left N.O. in December 1981 because, with all of our education, we couldn't get decent jobs. As for Federal Civil Service, there used to be a Federar Service Entrance Examination that prospective employees had to take to qualify for a job. The libs got rid of the test because a certain segment of the population couldn't pass the test's, so Congress got rid of testing. None of our family and friends moaned and groaned over losing their Lakeview homes under 10 feet of water. They got on with their lives, and perservered without government assistance. Some of them even came and lived with us here in Alabama. Liberal, socialist, communism of the Democrat party is killing us.

Semper Fi.

WMR

Military Hatin Mutt,what have YOU done
Ever heard of the speech: Man in the Arena? Get someone to read it and explain it to you. What have YOU done to help anyone?
Yes, I was part of NOPD. Yes, I worked undercover Narcotics, going into the projects (a white male), unarmed, buying dope (heroin, cocaine, pot, LSD. etc.) TRYING to make it a more inhabitable city. Yes, I chased the bad guys, got bloodied, fought drug dealers with a gun in their hand.......for $8.20 an hour as a Narcotics Officer in 1995. I held a towel on an eight year old black girl's femoral artery to keep her from bleeding to death in the back of our unit while my black partner drove 80 mph through the city to the hospital. She'd been hit by a stray bullet from a drug dealer (luckily, he got hit also from the other drug dealer). DON'T lecture me from your do nothing, know nothing, arm chair quarterbacking ivory tower. Do something totally uncharicteristic of a liberal, GO DO SOMETHING TO MAKE THINGS BETTER, instead of just pointing out "how the strong man stumbles."

union dude writes:
lib bloggers
Newsmax has an excellent article of the objective of lib bloggers and their leader Hilary and Georgie porgie soros

Sorry Bro, but no one here knows who your talking about unless you use their real names, and that is billary (or hitlary)and he is known as george sor hols. Just a heads up!


HUNTER /Tancredo 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com


Gimmie, Gimmie, Gimmie
In case of natural disaster, you should look to (in descending order): (1) yourself and your emergency preparedness plan, (2) your family, (3) your church and community, (4) your local government, (5) your state government, and lastly (6) the federal government. Unfortunately, decades of feel-good, liberal big government has given us the following: (1) you don't have to look after yourself as the government is your mother, (2) what family? Blacks have a 70% illegitimacy rate, (3) Revs. Jackson and Sharpton do not give - they take, (4) local city government was so corrupt that essential services were a distant afterthought, (5) ditto for state government, and (6) mountains of federal money (i.e., your tax dollars) cannot overcome problems 1-5 while politicians on the left and right throw mud at each other. The only honorable players in this tragedy were the thousands of private citizens (including many, many of those terrible Christians) who gave of their time, talents and money to help fellow Americans cleanup and rebuild.

AudiR10
Short, sweet and dead-on accurate.

Mayors Are Responsible For Cities
Military Loving Dog asks, "I mean - blame Mayor nagen - everyone knows it's the MAYOR's office that administers the levies - RIGHT?"

It is his town. That would be a good start. But, being a good Democrat, when the going gets tough, look for their designated nanny, or the first Republican and put it on their shoulders - because everyone knows Republicans take the heat and do something about it. Bush should have known!

So, since no Democrat, from city to state, could handle it, Bush has had to handle it for them. Nice.

Living in N'Awlins
I grew up in the Irish Channel on Race and Constance street in New Orleans. For some dumb reason, in 1953, my dad wanted a bar and restaurant. He bought one on Dumaine and Rendon. We got out of it in early 1955, owing a lot of money. We moved to Jefferson Parish, got three Times Picayune newspaper routes, and paid everypenny off in three years. My dad and brother threw the papers in the 1942 Chevy, and my mom and I with my sister asleep on the back seat of the 55 Ford also delovered the papers. Nash Roberts was the N.O. weather Guru, and every hurricane season, he preached that whatever hurricane was approaching could be the "big" one. We threw the papers within hours after the hurricane passed, stepping over downed wires and debris. All of this while my brother and I went to Catholic schools and played football and ran track. My parents never asked for, or wanted government assistance. We did it on our own. We eventually moved to Lakeview, then "Moon" Landrieu, Mary's dad, was elected Mayor of N.O., and it's been a downward spiral ever since. My wife, daughter, and I left N.O. in December 1981 because, with all of our education, we couldn't get decent jobs. As for Federal Civil Service, there used to be a Federar Service Entrance Examination that prospective employees had to take to qualify for a job. The libs got rid of the test because a certain segment of the population couldn't pass the test's, so Congress got rid of testing. None of our family and friends moaned and groaned over losing their Lakeview homes under 10 feet of water. They got on with their lives, and perservered without government assistance. Some of them even came and lived with us here in Alabama. Liberal, socialist, communism of the Democrat party is killing us.

Semper Fi.

WMR

Blacks take, take , take
And then tell us we haven't given enough.

They shot at helicopters sent to rescue them.
They looted stores .
They rioted in the streets.
They 'forgot' that a Category 5 hurricane was approacing.

Nothing is ever enough.

Military Lovin' Dog
Guilt by association is onerous. Despite 100 years of left wing traitors, liars and cowards i hesitate to extend these cheap epithets to you, Just as Boots may be the only honest police officer in NO, you may be the only honest leftist remaining in the United States, now that Kurt Vonnegut and Art Buchwald are dead.

Military Hatin Mutt reads articles
Well, that does make you an expert. I've read articles about corrupt doctors, lawyers, auto mechanics, preists, real estate brokers, etc. There are bad apples in every group.

I never broke any laws, stole anything, abused anyone, or even had a single complaint FILED against me, let alone confirmed. Typical liberal.....knowledgeable because they've "heard" or read something, then descend to personal attacks, inuendo, and downright stupidity. Again, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?! Except gripe, cry, moan, and blame everyone. Typical. Get a life! Go out in the real world for a change. The real world where you have to work for what you get, you cannot spew venom anonomously (without consequences), try STANDING FOR SOMETHING, instead of just AGAINST things.

I'd sure love to continue this conversation in person........Where I'm from (the real world), there are consequences to falsely calling someone a thief.

MLD
The peamble to the Consitution confers NOTHING of authority to the Federal Government. It only establishes the reason for the NEW Consitution as opposed to modifying the Articles of Confederation. But don't ake my word for it. Read what the founders actually said about the preamble.

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/preambles 7.html

And BTW, I tell you also since I haven't got my check from Talisman yet. Where is my money that YOU owe me from lightning damage?

Boots
We appreciate your service - thanks and keep up the good fight.

Lies lies and more lies
What else is new. Anyone with half a brain knows FEMA gets involved when the local government requests it. THe local govenment (governor and mayors job performance simply SUCKS) then they reelect him!. Only reasonable thing to do with a city in a dangerous area that refuses to take proper precautions (they knew for 50 YEARS that they had a problem) is to use it as a national landfill that way eventually it wont be BELOW SEA LEVEL.

Who's reading for you, Mutt?
Try to follow instructions....get someone literate to read to you. Have them read the following line from my previous post: "I never broke any laws, stole anything, abused anyone, or even had a single complaint FILED against me, let alone confirmed."

I'm through attempting to educate you Mutt. I've done my best, but you're hopeless. I have to go to work now (you should try that sometimes!), so you'll have to duck the black helicopters, straighten your tinfoil hat, and go on with your miserable, do nothing life. Continue having someone read to you and continue to be angry, befuddled and useless. I've gotta go back to the real world now....."Stupid is as Stupid does!"

Doesn't Matter
The die is cast on Katrina/New orleans, as well as the 2000 election, WMD's, And I fear someday maybe even 9/11. Nothing can change that. any news out of NO will be looked at through the prism of government neglect,and a catastrophic failure of the bush administration.





militarylovindogg
nice try for the heart strings.
I don't think I addressed, nor that the discussion specific to our postings revolved around, any act of charity as it relates to New Orleans.
As far as your most recent response, I volunteered in Houston at the Geo R Brown convention center to assist those fleeing the Katrina disaster; I was very personally involved in the charitable work in this area. This leads to a repsonse to another poster on this board, in that, a recent study found that those who identify themselves as conservatives involve themselves in charitable work much more than those self-descibed as Liberals (progressives now with the fresh "spin" title).
Just as you can care for your own, you can do works of charity yourself; you don't need the Federal government to tell you how, when, and where.
Those assets of the energy industry in the area around New Orleans (there are none in New Orleans) didn't get there via the Federal government, nor did the port, and post-Katrina, these asstes were not brought back into production by the Federal government. Tulane is a great University, but it was founded as a private institution of learning (may yet be; I don't know its current status) and the City of New Orleans itself was established well before there existed a USA and did not grow to it's pre-Katrina size due to the Feds, nor overnight.

"So YES, Charlie, when a major city is effected, it effects ALL americans...."

thank you for caring AS AN INDIVIDUAL, but it is irrelevant to the "general welfare" being promoted by a "nanny" in the form of the Federal government. Why don't you look up how much "Federal nanny state" assistance went to the San Fran bay area in the aftermath of their great earthquake (it was pre-FDR); I shall let you know that the area did recover nicely.

Liberals To The Rescue? Oh, Help Me!
boots offers to Military Lovin' Dogg, "Do something totally uncharicteristic of a liberal, GO DO SOMETHING TO MAKE THINGS BETTER, instead of just pointing out "how the strong man stumbles."

Let's think about that, first.

A Liberal's idea of helping is to start a hand-out program. Unfortunately, hand-out programs do more to institutionalized and grow a beggar class than to improve one's lot.

Look at Louisianna, Liberal from top to bottom, with nearly every key office held by a Democrat. New Orleans was so crippled and corrupted by hand-outs for votes for so many years that when it came time for them to help themselves, they ran around like domesticated turkeys, looking to the rainy skies and drowning. They needed a nanny. Bush was the only adult within miles, so he had to step in to fix it.

So, I think Democrats have done enough, don't you? Let's not encourage them.


The tragedy of the Katrina diaspora
At my last job, I befriended a wonderful lady who had raised three children as a single mom and been through some very hard times. Her two sons had had their share of flirting with trouble as teenagers but had both straightened up as adults.

One of these young men was senselessly shot and killed by a Katrina refugee who had been evacuated to Dallas and who was trying to establish a gang "rep" here. My friend's son had stopped at a convenience store to buy some juice for his daughter, who was about two when this happened. When he came back out to the car (where his girlfriend and daughter waited), he saw that car had been blocked by another car and he could not back out.

When he politely asked the other man to move his car, things quickly escalated. My friend's son walked away, saying he didn't want to have any trouble, that his little girl was right there watching. The thug shot him as he walked away, and then stood over him and shot him some more.

Not that race really matters in such a tragedy, but all the players here were black. What makes this particularly sad is that the victim had turned his life around, was getting ready to start culinary school, and by all accounts was a good person and was leading a good life. This really, really did not need to happen. Needless to say, my dear friend was devastated.

On a side note, I attended the young man's funeral. I never met him, but I wish I had. I was one of the very few white people at the funeral, and I only mention this because it was the first black funeral I had ever attended. Quite different from the sedate southern white affairs I'd attended my whole life. What a wonderful celebration of this young man's life his funeral was. What a shame that life was ended so soon, and for what a stupid reason.

My friend, not one to wish bad fortune on anyone, said she wished the thug had just been left in NO to drown.

Hey communist DOG stuff
AKA Military Lying Dog, AKA Black Dog, AKA NYC Dog:

You haven't answered the question, YOU personally must PAY for storm damage. Where is my money?

To ALL

Does anyone care to wager how long this iteration of DOG will last before booted off?

crumbsrmine + crumbs you missed
__You wrote, "By the way, its the goverments JOB to protect its citizens regardless of the presence of decadence, evil or filth." The government is the people, and not the people we elected, hired, to ensure the people could do their job. You have read, and heard of, this governments people doing their job responsibly. President Bush took responsibility for a bloated federal bureaucracy that was not of his making. Just as many Americans personally, and responsibly, gave of themselves in the aftermath of this disaster. These were the people acting, of this government, united to correct the problems faced. An example of our self governance, and why we are such a prosperous nation. Who taught you it was our elected officials responsibility to protect your home?

To boots
Sir (I assume), bless you for serving the public under such difficult circumstances and being blind to the race of those who needed your help. MLDogg's comments about the corruption of NOPD made me think that that's the sort of city where honest cops are needed the MOST.

What is this. a test Balloon?
Figures don't lie, but liars figure. The National Guard keeps the murder rate down? According to the Rand Corporation, the population of New Orleans might reach 1/2 its pre_Katrina population in Sept of 2008. This report was issued in May of 2006. Do you Possibly think the lower population might have something to do with the murder rate, and not the presence of the national guard?

Was this column nothing more than a test balloon of public memory? Is the population of the United States supposed to forget this administration's non-response to one of the greatest natural disasters to occur in America.

Jesus said "the poor will be with us always", with minor variations depending on your translation. The Christian charity and Republican compassion written by most of this column's responders is an eye opener. As near as I can tell from your writings, 1. Those lazy shiftless Nigroes deserve God's wrath. 2. They should be ashamed of themselves for causing such a commotion. 3. they should have just gone and drowned somewhere without fouling the water supply. 4. And, it's all the liberal media's fault for showing it on TV.

Crawl back into your churches and pretend your Christians.



A real bad test balloon
Figures don't lie, but liars figure. The National Guard keeps the murder rate down? According to the Rand Corporation, the population of New Orleans might reach 1/2 its pre_Katrina population in Sept of 2008. This report was issued in May of 2006. Do you Possibly think the lower population might have something to do with the murder rate, and not the presence of the national guard?

Was this column nothing more than a test balloon of public memory? Is the population of the United States supposed to forget this administration's non-response to one of the greatest natural disasters to occur in America.

Jesus said "the poor will be with us always", with minor variations depending on your translation. The Christian charity and Republican compassion written by most of this column's responders is an eye opener. As near as I can tell from your writings, 1. Those dumb, lazy, shiftless Nigroes deserve God's wrath. 2. They should be ashamed of themselves for causing such a commotion. 3. they should have just gone and drowned somewhere without fouling the water supply. 4. And, it's all the liberal media's fault for showing it on TV.

Crawl back into your churches and pretend your Christians.



Military Lovin' Dogg Confuses Disasters
In response to Mac's comment as to the Mayor of New Orleans,"It is his town. That would be a good start. (ensuring the stability of the levies)"

Military Lovin' Dogg offers, "Except that it's NOT his responsibilities - it's the responsibility of the Fed! It would be like blaming Gov. Patakai for expecting fed dollars after 9/11..."

"Apples and Oranges", New Orleans was hit with a random natural disaster that should have been expected and planned for, as a matter of course, for any gulf city. The Mayor should have known his city's capabilities and planned accordingly. Separately, as directed by the President, the Federal Government has and continues to sponsor the recovery effort.

On the other hand, New York was hit by a fully orchestrated attack on strategic structures by foreign envaders.

Of course, Liberals are such cynics that they think everything is a plot, from global warming to hurricanes to vucanoes to 9-11. So, I can see how you would confuse the two.

Back to the subject
All of the B.S. from Military (and American) Hatin Mutt, the original point I was trying to make is that since N.O. had been a liberal Mecca for decades, to its detriment, according to liberals everything should have been paradise. It wasn't. It isn't now, and won't be until we start becoming self-sufficient, independent, honest, hard working people, which is what made and continues to make America the greatest nation on earth. (THERE! I said it! America is a great country! I'm proud of that, although the libs think that should not be stated for fear of making someone feel bad.)
Now, understand that I am blaming the government, not a race, or a class of people. As so many have pointed out, the Gulf Coast was hit very hard, and they have all races and all economic classes. The difference is competent government, and the lack of the entitlement mentality. ANY group of people that is dependent for DECADES on the government, cannot be expected to do the right thing, or even know what that is, on a moment's. Dependency begets dependency.

Liberalism is a mental disease
Let's take a look at what President Bush would have had to do to prevent loss of life in New Orleans: He would have had to have declared the NO city and LA state governments incompetent and send in a massive deployment of Federal troops and equipment or federalized National Guard units to evacuate the poorest sections of the city. And what would the soldiers do with the residents who didn't want to be evacuated? Forcible removal? More to the point, to avoid loss of life President Bush would have obviously had to make this move at least two days before the storm hit, when it was just a threat on the weather map (and no real way of knowing if it would hit NO or not). Can you tell me with a straight face that had he done so -- and managed save every single life in New Orleans -- every liberal in the country wouldn't still be screaming about "Bush imposing martial law" and a "Republican police state"? Even if events after the fact showed that this decisive imposition of Federal force saved hundreds of lives? As so many have pointed out, the U.S. Coast Guard (a Federal entity) provided a massive and heroic rescue effort, but they were already organized and in place, legally and logistically, to operate outside the incompetence of the Nagin-Blanco span of control. But the Democratic politicians and their media handmaids have downplayed this aspect of the story as much as possible. You can’t even charitably call the media’s New Orleans anti-Bush orgy a case of feel-good liberals ignoring real-world realities: It is simply Bush Derangement Syndrome writ large.

The House
There are some scum in New Orleans,
They all beg for the giverment grant,
And it's been the ruin of many a poor taxpayer,
And God spare me from the libscum rant.

Their mothers were Welfare Queen,
They wore their cut-off jeans,
Their father was an unknown man,
Down in New Orleans.

Now the only thing a begger needs,
Is a sorry tail and bowl,
And the only time he's satisfied,
Is when he's on the dole.

Oh mothers quit with the children,
Don’t do what they have done:
Don’t spend your lives in sin and misery,
In the town of the setting sun.

Well Neagan’s got one foot on the platform,
The other foot on the train,
He’s back in New Orleans,
And we all wear that ball and chain.

There are some scum in New Orleans,
They beg for the giverment grant,
And it's been the ruin of many a poor taxpayer,
And God spare me from the libscum rant.

(Author unknown)

Katrina
The New Orleans/Katrina epitomized the failure of the welfare state. Why are we rebuilding? The city is below sea level. Hello McFly? N.O. was lucky that this didn't happened before, but it will surely happen again. May happen next year, may take 100 years but it will flood again

A shout-out to Boots, Mickey
and any other ex-NOLA's reading! I was born there in the 50's, moved out in the 80's, and have NEVER wanted to move back. People who haven't lived there (pre-Katrina) have no idea of what a cesspool, third-world country that place was before the hurricane hit. Yes, we ALL knew that "the big one" was going to happen (I miss Nash), and all the money got funneled away somewhere else.

Folks with Bush Derangement Syndrome just gotta Blame It On Bush; they have no idea, nor do they want to know, of what the truth in New Orleans really is.

Yes Bleeding Heart,
__"The poor will always be with us.", 'cause your bleeding heart is sucking up all the life blood we send them, before it gets to them.

Hey, Dfilo - Get Lost!
Dfilo writes, "Blacks take, take , take"

That is absolutely stupid and offensive at every level.

Get Lost!

boots
is has long been reported that if govt wants to get any job done in nola that it must double it's estimates of costs, as fully 1/2 is necessary for the grease, that is to pay off the local crooks. Prior to katrina the govt sent 200 million to nola for hurricane preparation but was used to build a bridge and repair a fountain. But then nola didn't learn it's lesson with bus nagin's incompetance and re-elected him to office

Bleeding Heart Liberal is Terminal
How much must we give, when the recipients constantly ignore our advice and then blame us when their lives fall apart? We tell them to get an education, they scoff and say its a rigged system so why bother. We tell them to strengthen their families (and zip their pants), they scoff and say they like their sensual culture. We tell them to prepare for inevitable problems that come up in life, they scoff and say the government will mother them. We tell NO to strenthen the levies for the inevitable big one that will come, and they divert the money to their own pockets and cronies. I give approximately 40% of my income to federal taxes, state taxes, local taxes and tithing. And you tell me this is not enough and I should crawl back to my church. If I gave 80 or 90%, would you be happy then?????

Bleeding Heart Liberal
You are a deeply disturbed individual, I cannot know why you carry around so much hate. I can only hope that at some time in your life you will examine your
beliefs through the critical eye that maturity and experience provide. Hopefully your family and friends will still be around when you realize the truth.

Or perhaps you are off your meds, and can't find your tinfoil hat.


either way good luck

A friend
of mine lived in NO and from my visits i learned to appreciate the place and its many virtues. But as a reasonably intelligent fellow, my friend moved out to Abita Springs. At least 10 years before Katrina, i read warnings about Corps of Engineer craziness, the basic disaster that HAD TO HAPPEN, hurricane floodwater and the Mississippi river both obeying well known laws of physics such as water flows downhill to the lowest level. Any tax money spent to re-build below sea level is again sheer insanity. La, NO and USA have been presented with the lowest possible cost opportunity to do something right with the situation. Since this must be a govt decision, i don't give it even a 100 to 1 chance. They will continue to try to shovel ssh...er water uphill. Its not only not nice to fool Mother Nature, it can't really be done. The clever and industrious Dutch, given no choice, have compromised quite successfully. Their success has not been due to compassion,ignoring reality, or hoping to avoid paying the price in work and exercise of intelligent planning. History shows no presence of these virtues in NO.

No memory needed, just a mumumumind
Bleeding Heart Liberal writes: Friday, October, 19, 2007 11:59 AM
"Was this column nothing more than a test balloon of public memory?"

The numbers had noting to do with "rates" in relationship to proving a lower murder total. The point of the article was media dishonesty, not changes in statistics.

BHL, don't think while you read.

Bleeding Heart Liberal Begs For Nanny!
Bleeding Hear Liberal asks, "Is the population of the United States supposed to forget this administration's non-response to one of the greatest natural disasters to occur in America?"

No, it is to remind everyone that the Administration was, and still is, the only responser to this disaster.

When Bush got to New Orleans, he found a city full of Democratic engineered institutionalized beggars, brought on by years of votes for hand-outs, with no sense of self governance or sufficiency. Sad.

In hind-sight, yes, Bush should have known that Louisana was so corrupted and crippled by the elitist Liberal programs of the Democrats of hand-outs for votes that they had zero capabilities of thinking for themselves - Before or after the disaster.

Yes, Bush should have just nationalized Louisianna as soon as he got in office. Of course, that would have put it under the jurisdiction of Congress, like the District of Columbia. And, we all know how well that has worked out!

Media Dishonesty
Now THERE'S a redundancy!!!

THRadio: I would be happy
if the "blame the victim" mentality of this group would show some of the Christianity I knew I knew in my childhood.

You are not alone in your anger at taxes and the apparent waste: FEMA, TSA, et al.

Even given your justified anger at taxes, I am still not aware there is a time limit on Christian compassion. Maybe that's why Jesus said the poor will be with us always. But then again, maybe that's something that is edited out in your various churches.


Further
Where does it say the federal government gets to abrogate it's responsibility to the governed.

When local and state governments collapse, through incompetence or being overwhelmed, the federal government is the final resort.

Bleeding Heart Liberal Still Begging
Bleeding Heart Liberal writes: "Where does it say the federal government gets to abrogate it's responsibility to the governed."

The whole Constitution is designed to allow the citizens to be left alone. Thus, the terms "...provide common defense, promote general welfare.." not the other way around.

Bleeding Heart Liberal continues, "When local and state governments collapse, through incompetence or being overwhelmed, the federal government is the final resort."

Unfortunately, because of the elitist Liberal Democrats totally corrupting Louisianna with paralyzing hand-outs, that made institutionalized beggars the norm, the Bush Administration became the only resort. And, he continues to do so, today.

Bleeding Heart Liberal
As I said before. Your Federal Government was there in full force before the storm and after the storm. Just ask the United States Coast Guard.
Semper Paratus.

Upside Down Pyramids Fall
BLH - a LIMITED federal government can only take care of a LIMITED number of needs. But when everyone has their hand out - the poor, the uneducated, the elderly, the children, the immigrants, the minorities, and the majorities -- then the system collapses.

The system works only when the people say first "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." Only when a majority of its citizens are responsible can government help the minority who are irresponsible or unfortunate. What we have today is a widespread culture of entitlement, promoted by generations of pandering politicians (on the left and the right) who have expanded the welfare state in exchange for votes.

You should also note that the rise in government welfare programs has caused a direct, proportional decline in charitable giving. (Yes, there are several studies that show this.) In other words, as people have been forced to pay higher taxes to fund inefficient big government programs, there has been less money to give to local charities which are typically more efficient problem-solvers. Ironic, no?

Bleeding Heart Liberal - The Problem
Bleeding Heart Liberal offers, "I would be happy
if the "blame the victim" mentality of this group would show some of the Christianity I knew I knew in my childhood."

Hey, don't pass the buck. Nobody here is blaming the victim. We are blaming the bleeding heart, elitist, liberals that put in place crippling hand-out programs that do nothing more than institutionalize a beggar class of people that can not defend themselves.

Your disengenuous efforts to hold up the Cross, belies actions that do nothing more than create beggars to the Government, instead of able bodied, self-sufficient citizens. Nice.

Of course, one can not be an elitist Liberal without beggars. So, Democrats continue their insidious hand-outs for votes. What's next, heroin? Oh, I think they are working on that in San Francisco. Nice.


Astonishing
How conservative can spin, justify, and rationalize just about any crime, statement, failure or scandal perpetrated on the right. If Someone says something stupid, it's the fault of the questioner; if someone fails to do a job, it's the fault of people who expect too much (code for liberals.) I'm waiting now for the column that tells us that the Veteran's Ad. hospitals were really in A-1 condition and liberals were just spreading lies.

Bush could be standing on the corner selling DVDs with kiddie porn and columnists like this one would be making it all 1., rational, 2., really a good thing, 3. a plot by the left.

Galveston's example
Over 6,000 people died in the great storm of 1900. Following this disaster, the city of Galveston chose to rebuild: to build a seawall, to elevate the entire island by 13 feet, and if I recall correctly this work was done by the city itself.

I looked for a little information on the storm, and found this:

http://www.1900storm.com

"The story of the 1900 Storm is one about the fate of people at the hands of nature, but it's also one about people altering their own fates by changing the face of nature."


Touj Can Not Stay On Topic
Touj offers, "I'm waiting now for the column that tells us that the Veteran's Ad. hospitals were really in A-1 condition and liberals were just spreading lies."

No. All true.

Such is the state of socialized healthcare. Unfortunately for soldiers, that has always been their lot in life since, well, always. Nothing new.

The silly part is that Liberals want to expand on it and force socialized healthcare to everyone. No, thank you.

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Nola
This city is and always was an abomination. Before Katrina, it was filthy, corrupt, and stinking with sin. It resembled a toilet needing flushing and Katrina took care of that. There isn`t enough money or kindness or aid of any kind that will convert this town to a thriving, productive, metropolis. God gave it the same treatment he gave Sodom and Gomorrah, and for the same reasons.

Bleeding Heart Liberal writes:
Maybe that's why Jesus said the poor will be with us always.


Sir, I also think it was Jesus that said something about "Reap what you sow". I am not above giving anyone a hand up, but I do not think Jesus was talking about handing out the kind of money we have spent there and there are people there who just keep on taking and not doing much in the way of making it better.
I am also sure Jesus did not like being blamed by some retarded mayor for the storm, after he shifted all of his failures to the Feds!

HUNTER /Tancredo 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com

touj
clinton showed up in florida a week after andrew went through and the press praised how quickly he got there. We lived in charleston, sc for the 10 years previously to coming to az. Every may the news informed everybody the hurricane season was coming. There were reminders of what supplies you should have on hand should a hurricane come for a visit. This included the usual amounts of water, food , batteries medicine etc for 3-5 days. If you lived in a mndatory evacuation zone you wre expected to get out of dodge. If you chose to stay you were also advised that help might not arrive for days and that local authorities were not set-up to provide rescue missions during the storm or right after. I still find it hard to believe that city and state officials in louisiana, knowing the peril new orleans was in due to it's location and being below sea levelcould have acted so ineptly. But in sc and elsewhere local govt is in charge of initial preparation and the immediate aftermath and after the storm passes the feds show up. Why wasn't new orleans and louisiana given passes for their negligence and the feds assessed all the blame. There is a certain amount of personal responsibility of the part of all citizens, and local govt but still the media wants to find fault only with the feds. Florida gets hit frequently with storms and you don't have the breakout of lawlessness that went on in nola. Again why do the locals still get a pass. There is enough blame to go around but the media doesn't seem to see any villain other than the president. But the blame casting also includes the dims in congress, including the locals who tell the rest of america it is our responsibility to payy 100% of the costs of bring noila back to life

Bleeding Heart Liberal
i recently attended my nephews confirmation, and Bishop Plarczeck's homily was entitled Generosity and Gratitude. Perhaps the lack of gratitude has affected the generosity?

HMMMMM?? interesting thought huh? See BHL that is how critical thought works, you examine the facts then come to a conclusion based on facts without pre-conceived notions.

Noelegy is spot on
Galveston is a perfect example of America's transformation from a nation of self-sufficient citizens to a nation of welfare state dependants. When the 1900 storm hit Galveston, local leaders and citizens rolled up their sleeves and rebuilt using overwhelmingly local money and manpower. When the 2005 storm hit New Orleans, the people were incapable of helping themselves (due to decades of cultural decline and local corruption) and instead looked to the feds to bail them out. And when the feds failed to fix everything with a wave of the magic federal wand, then it was all George Bush's fault. Give me a friggin' break.

Wildwest
I lived in Beaufort, SC when Hugo came thru. Charleston's Mayor Riley was a perfect example of what government can do right. He exhibited true leadership during that time.

Its the Repub/Con Way...
Repubs/Cons NEVER take RESPONSIBILTY FOR ANYTHING THAT GOES WRONG when they are in POWER
It's AWAYS SOMEBODY ELSES FAULT!!!

With President Bush and the Republican Party their motto is:

"THE BUCK STOPS OVER THERE!!!"

LA vs MS
All I can relate is my experience. My wife, 2 of my sons and I were extensively involved in the disaster recovery efforts in both LA and MS; 1 of my sons works for Homeland Security, while the rest of us were there as volunteers. Three of us were there while the storm still raged; the son who works for HS was several days behind us.

The 3 of us who don't work for HS pulled trailers and command centers first into New Orleans. What greeted us? We were shot at. Stones were thrown at us. Boards filled with nails were thrown in front of our vehicles. As a result, I had to replace 6 very expensive tires at my own expense. When we finally reached our destination, folks sat around idly waiting on us to unload the trailers by ourselves, cook for them, bring them glasses of water, etc. We weren't there to do that and we didn't have time to do it. We had to go back for more.

On our return trip, we went to Gulfport and Biloxi. The difference was astounding. The damage done by the storm was much more extensive and severe than the damage done to New Orleans. Yet private individuals were already cleaning up the damage. Signs hung everywhere saying "Help Wanted." People of all colors and national origins were either in line or already hard at work. When we stopped to deliver our loads, people lined up to unload what we brought. They thanked us. Instead of demanding we serve them, they brought food and drinks to us, knowing we had been on the road for days and nights on end without rest.

The difference in attitude and actions between the "takers" in LA and the "givers" in MS was nothing short of astounding, even though the damages in LA were miniscule in comparison to MS.

I can tell you this: under no circumstances will we ever return to LA to help those who are so ungrateful, so unwilling to help themselves. MS is a different story.

That's what we observed and that's my .02 about the aftermath.

Boots
Don’t waste any time or sweat on Military Loving Poodle. He is a Typical Liberal Coward who whines and cries about how he is the victim and society OWES him. He is ALWAYS against The Military/Police. Just another Drug Addled, Leftover Hippie, Gutless, Liberal, Coward who makes baseless accusations from the anonymity of his keyboard, then runs and hides!

George Bush on Katrina
Here's what Bush had to say when the cameras were rolling in Jackson Square:

"Four years after the frightening experience of September the 11th, Americans have every right to expect a more effective response in a time of emergency. When the federal government fails to meet such an obligation, I, as President, am responsible for the problem, and for the solution."

Then he went back to the White House and forgot all about it. In his next State of the Union speech -- after promising that "we will do what it takes, we will stay as long as it takes, to help citizens rebuild their communities and their lives ..." -- Bush didn't even mention New Orleans, the promises he made or the state of the rebuilding process in the aftermath of the worst natural disaster in American history.

Is George Bush responsible for crime in New Orleans? No. Did he somehow cause Hurricane Katrina? No.

But Hurricane Katrina finally proved to the world the defining characteristic of this president and the so-called "conservatives" who support him unquestioningly: Their word means nothing.

Left Angle Confuses - Blame and Action
Left Angle offers, Its the Repub/Con Way...
Repubs/Cons NEVER take RESPONSIBILTY FOR ANYTHING THAT GOES WRONG when they are in POWER
It's AWAYS SOMEBODY ELSES FAULT!!!"

As in New Orleans, the Democrats passed the buck of responsibility all the way from the parrish's, to the Mayor, to the Governor, to the President, the only adult (naturally a Republican) in the chain.

Unlike the elitist Democrats that created the mess and blame everybody, George Bush took the responsibility and acted on it. To this day, he is the only one working on the problem.

No burka for me: I'm shocked...
you didnt bring up the so-called liberal msm
which is of course is the primary enemy of
President Bush and the Republican Party, with their biased slanted reporting of events which always show them in a negative light?

Raywood Ashe Wants A Mommy
Raywood spins, "But Hurricane Katrina finally proved to the world the defining characteristic of this president and the so-called "conservatives" who support him unquestioningly: Their word means nothing."

In hind-sight, yes, Bush should have known that Louisana was so corrupted and crippled by the elitist Liberal programs of the Democrats of hand-outs for votes that they had zero capabilities of thinking for themselves - Before or after the disaster.

Yes, Bush should have just nationalized Louisianna as soon as he got in office. Of course, that would have put it under the jurisdiction of Congress, like the District of Columbia. And, we all know how well that has worked out!

Raywood Ashe
Grow up, My god it never ends does it? you will never get it will you? This whole issue has become so cumbersome it makes me want to puke.

Federal Response Was Bad
There is one thing that I do fault on the Federal response. That is allotting billions of dollars of the tax payer money to rebuild that worthless pit.

What they should have done is gathered ALL of the private property owners in the city together. Cut them a check for the assessed value of their property and told them to leave. Then they should have told everyone else they had one week to leave the city. After that week the National Guard would collect everyone on the school buses and bus them out of town (Dump then in front of the Governor’s mansion).

Once the people were gone the bulldozers would come in and level the city. Everything would be cut down the foundations. After that the dikes would be broken and the city flooded.

The city would become a federal park with no inhabitants and allowed to go back to nature.

Hear, Hear Vic
Great idea. Since Al Gore and Company believes that the oceans will rise 10 to 20 feet in the "near future" (despite IPCC's prediction of 1.5 feet over 100 years), then it would be absolute folly to rebuild the already sub-sea level city of New Orleans.

I read touj.'s 1:37pm comment and...
...realized, there must be an enormous amount of space in the nether region. Its the only way, I figure, one could ever express the type of rational he wrote in his post. A rational that can only come from someone living in the dark, and breathing the same air of the enclosure. What it comes down to touj, is taking responsibility for mistakes made, and suffer the consequences. Time to admit that self-loving, liberal, pure democracy does not live up to the Republics standards, and rejoin the Republic. We accept, the poor, the lame, the needy, with open arms!

People NOT restoring their city!
Here's what I don't get.
WHY doesn't the federal Government fix those houses in Calif, when a mud slide hits?
WHY doesn't the federal Government restore homes when tornadoes wipe them out???
WHY are we even restoring this city? With Al Gore's global warming, and the sea rising theme, this city will be UNDER WATER ANYWAY?
Here's some facts for you! Last night in a town in Indiana not far from me, a tornado hit, BUT you can bet your boots, the Amish in the community will have it restored soon!!! That's what honks me off, WHY is anyone responsible for fixing their homes but the owners??? And from what I can see, hoardes of people have gone to New Orleans (along with hoards of Illegal aliens) to repair and fix these homes. Were mistakes made, you betcha, BUT why are the residents of this city going about their daily tasks and expecting OTHERS to do everything for them. Then they were idiotic and re-elected their FLEEING Mayor! Hello???

Raywood Ashe
so can we have back the money we sunk into it? you either don't know squat, or you are a spin doctor! well come to think of it, both fits!
mean old con serves. GIVE ME MORE GIVE ME MORE I promise this time I won't spend it on bullcrap, or shove it right into my pockets!

HUNTER /Tancredo 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com

THRadio, thanks
Furthermore, there were signs posted all over Galveston stating that those who did not work to help rebuild the city and clean up the debris WOULD NOT EAT. What a difference a century makes.

I've visited Galveston twice in recent years, and the first time I saw a film at the Great Storm museum that's there in the Strand district. At that time I bought a book that was essentially a collection of 1900-era news reports about the storm and its aftermath. Very moving story that popular history has pretty much passed by. I remember remarking to the lady working at the museum store that so much more attention has been paid to the "Titanic" disaster, but so many more people died in the Galveston storm, just to give an example.

The city was smashed by an act of nature. The city cleaned itself up. I guess that doesn't make the news, or stay long in anyone's memory, anyway.

New Orleans crime
New Orleans is my home town. It has always been dirty and crime-filled. The politicians are corrupt, a lot of the people are lazy and stupid. Generations of people are on welfare and living in "the projects". The pictures after Katrina of people wading through waist deep water carrying beer and TVs pretty much sums up the problem with NOLA. These people were raised by the Govt with Govt funds, they are completely incapable of taking care of themselves and their children; they refuse to evacuate when trouble is coming and then cry that "Bush doesn't care about us because we're poor and black". Even as a native, I do not believe the lowest portions of Orleans, St Bernard and Plaquemines parishes should be rebuilt. The Mississippi NEEDS those floodplains. We should not be rebuilding the levees needed to make NOLA into a soup bowl, again.

uniondude
been to newsmax- didnt see anything
how about a link

uniondude
been to newsmax- didnt see anything
how about a link

chocolate city nagin
I seem to recall that buses nagin evacuated himself out of the city but with so many conflicting stories who knows the real truth. But he does seem like the type whop would put his personal safety ahead of his elected responsibilities

wildwest
Good ole Neagin. He gave his first press conference from Houston and the press somehow failed to mention it.

SNAFU
I grew up just outside of New Orleans, but I have lived my adult life in Mississippi. I find your post very easy to believe. It shows what kind of mentality government entitlements create, versus a culture of personal responsibility and hard work.

I will always love New Orleans. It is NOT a "worthless pit" as Vic so eloquently put it. But the city (and state) desperately need better leadership. Nagin got re-elected - no hope there for a while, but here's hoping that the voters of Louisiana will at least elect Bobby Jindal governor and get things moving in the right direction.

Conservative charity
This Right Wing Religious Nut and his RWRN grown son went to Houston at our own expense to ferry refugees from there to Austin. We wanted to take his truck on to NOLA, but were deterred from doing so by media stories, later proven false, of shooting from bridges and overpasses there. Our wives just would not have it. There definitely were churches with trailer-loads of supplies fording the streams, formerly known as streets, within a couple of days of the flood. They got there almost as soon as the WalMart donations. (The stores were flooded out, but the trailers stopped by the road and handed out supplies.) The refugees we transported were so grateful, and so astonished that so many Texans, ninety percent non-Black, had exerted ourselves so greatly in their cause.

It seems to be a staple of the lefties' emotionally targeted propaganda to say that Conservatives are heartless skinflints. Certainly there is little rational debate over the Conservative idea that governments are not very effective, nor efficient, at helping people.


How much sympathy can you expect?
1-It's not like Katrina came out of nowhere. There was plenty of notice to evacuate. Tell me I need to evacuate due to an impending disaster, I'm outta there!
2-Last Christmas my area was in a flood. (No warnings either) I had at least a foot of water in my home, as did my neighbors. We all called our homeowners companies. It took 3 months to get the repair check. The clean up crew we payed for knocked out our walls to prevent mold(insurance co. required it before issueing check). For 3 months we all lived on concrete floors, without inner walls, no kitchen and 3 days without water or electricity. NOONE CRIED,screamed foul, blamed anyone or complained short of the smile & wink to one another about the Christmas timing. We worked hard cleaning up, paid whatever extra we had to (most of us took loans out that we're still paying off), worked overtime to meet the financial demand, we survived. New Orleans had advance notice of what was coming. They knew for decades their levees were inadaquate. They knew the risk of living in that area. Why weren't people insured knowing the risk? And everytime we saw a shot of an idiot on a rooftop awaiting rescue, we had to shake our heads at their stupidity for staying after they were warned. Noone here feels sorry for them in the least.

Near to clear up some more stuff:
Bleeding Heart Liberal wrote:

"Figures don't lie, but liars figure. The National Guard keeps the murder rate down? According to the Rand Corporation, the population of New Orleans might reach 1/2 its pre_Katrina population in Sept of 2008. This report was issued in May of 2006. Do you Possibly think the lower population might have something to do with the murder rate, and not the presence of the national guard?"

Regardless of what the Rand Corporation predicted, NOLA is presently at about 70% of its pre-Katrina population.

NOPD patrols the populated areas of New Orleans; the National Guard troops - most of whom are LEOs in their civilian jobs - patrol the un- or barely-populated areas that the bad guys seem to like to hang out in. If the National Guard were to leave, the NOPD would have to thin its forces in the populated areas to take over the other area. If anyone is looking for a job as a cop, NOPD is hiring. 8-)

As to whether the National Guard troops mobilized for Katrina were Federal or State: we were mobilized under State command. Our funding quickly switched to Federal, but we remained under the command of the Governor. I'm pretty sure the National Guardsman from other states who pitched in to help were in the same situation. We owe them bigtime! (It was funny, all the reunions we had - "Hey, I haven't seen you since Afghanistan!") There were Federal active duty troops there later, too.

Not *all* New Orleanians were ungrateful. Those who had vehicles to pick up the MREs, water and ice we passed out always thanked us. There were a few jerks, but they were the exception.

Wildwest
Close your eyes for a moment and imagine that everything that happened during this hurricane is the same except that the administration is in the hands of Democrats, with a Democratic president.

You and I both know that there would have been scores of poor-NOLA columns on TH, and posters would have been busy excoriating the federal government for weeks. Mike (I never miss an opportunity for knee-jerk ideology) Gallagher would have been among the first to jump on board.

C'mon now, you know I'm right.

touj
no you are wrong. Far too many people in this country have lost all notion of person responsibility. When hurricanes were approaching the east coast and charleston was in the possibilities of landfalls we were instructed to stay alert. We were told of the available shelters where you could go if you were uncomfortable staying at home or you were in a mandatory flood zone. Much of charleston is only a few feet abovve sea l;evel and with the right circumstances, full moon high tide, flood surge etc there could be a great deal of flooding. But nola got 200 million in fed funds for huuricane prep. They spent that money building a bridge and repairing a fountain. The state and city had an obligation to help those unable to get out of the city. Buses were left unused and were destroyed by the rising water. But it still gets down to personal responsibility. Hurricanes do not show up unexpectedly and you have several days notice that you might be in danger. The natl hurricane center is very good at predicting precise landfalls as the storms get closer to land. Nola problems is they had a large population to reliant on govt handouts and fell into their regular habits. The govt will take care of us. How do you get people to understand the govt can't solve every problem. btw the way we did live on an island that was a mandatory evacuation area. i was free to leave but my wife had to stay as she worked in a hospital and was required to be at her place of employment.

New Orleans
Mike you are right about New Orleans. So long as we are being truthful about things, the main reason crime is so high in New Orleans is because of the mostly black population. Where ever blacks are a majority the crime rates skyrocket. It's time for America to start admitting the truth so we can fix this epidemic of black crime. James Watson the Nobel Prize winner for finding DNA has stated the fact that blacks aren't as intelligent as whites. Instead of people taking his information and trying to change things for the better everyone called him a racist. Watson is no racist, he is a scientist. Blacks are the root of crime all over the world. Africa is infested in crime and it always will be until we admit the truth and do something about it. Lying to ourselves so as not to offend anyone is dangerous and expensive. The time has come to admit the truth and make changes accordingly.

Irony
Does anybody other than me see any irony here?

Oh no, let's not lose the National Guard in NOLA lest violence breaks out/but on the other hand, the Democrats can't wait for us to pull our troops out of Iraq where we'd expect to see some violence.

Guess it just depends on whose ox is gored, huh?

Why no out cry over the murdering?
quote:

“New Orleans Crime Rate,” the first news story that will appear is an Associated Press story from August 18, 2005, entitled “New Orleans Murder Rate on the Rise Again.” This story, which ran 11 days before Katrina, reported on the eye-popping 265 murders committed in 2004. The article also pointed out that in 1994 the city experienced 421 homicides.
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Whine and cry, moan and complain over a storm that killed less people than the people are killing among themselves.

The madness of the times is awesome

Dr. Moon Is A Loon!
Dr. Moon drivels, "...crime is so high in New Orleans is because of the mostly black population."

That is so utterly obscene and stupid. Take your shallow, adolescent thinking and get lost!

Heckuva Job Brownie
The story of Katrina's destruction of New Orleans is a story of callous neglect on the part of the white house. No silly right wing commentator like this Mike Gallagher can twist things around so much to make up enough lies to alter this fact. The city was left to drown by an administration more concerned with farming out government to private enterprise at taxpayer expense to benefit the few of Bush's friends lucky enough to win them, running up lavish deficits and giving lavish tax cuts to their wealthy friends, along with their little but costly mess in Iraq. It was only when Bush/Cheney realized that their image was at stake, when the world saw the poor black folks in New Orleans abandoned in the submerged streets, in the superdome, or in the hospitals where some were killed to prevent a more painful death from the water, that these GOP folks finally felt like they had to look like they was doing something.

Mike Gallagher can talk liberal conspiracy all he wants, but Bush did say "You're doing a heckuva job, Brownie."

That is the metaphor for Katrina and for this administration.

To Trish
Perhaps your southern relatives are not complaining because they don't pay the US government the same amount of taxes I pay them per year. For 38% of my yearly income I want better service than abandoning citizens to devastation for two years. All I see from this government is cronyism and ineptitutude. Drink the Kool-aid if you must. Believe the Republican spin and this country will continue its downward spiral. The truth hurts, The emperor has no clothes.

Show me
an administration or bureaucratic agency that EVER responded perfectly to a catastrophe.

You can always tell where lies a group's bias or bigotry, by observing from whom they expect perfection... and by whom they forgive (Dem admin in NO)


To brainsnotrhetoric
"Where would New Orleans be if we'd spent the same $12B a month there that we're spending in Iraq?"

Poor baby, nobody wants to discard all other topics of conversation to suit your desire to focus exclusively on YOUR pet issue.
Iraq is very, very significant--but it is NOT so significant that we must ignore all the other ills in the world.

Where would New Orleans be if Democrats had reformed welfare earlier and applied the money to levees?
Where would New Orleans be if we had spent $2bill on it instead of giving it to the Palestinians, who used it primarily to line the pockets of their leaders, murder gays, recruit terrorists, and launch rockets into Israel?
Where would New Orleans be if Gov. Blanco had acted swiftly to request federal assistance, had ALL of her National Guard units on alert rather than less than half? Where would NO be if Gov. Blanco hadn't so utterly mismanaged the Road Home Program?
What if Mayor Nagin had not waites so inexcusably late to call for evacuation? What if he had had a PLAN to use NO's transportation assets, such as the hundreds of buses left rotting in the water? What if he had been as concerned for the inhabitants of his city as he was for the VIPs whom he took such care to evacuate? What if the levee funding hadn't been misspent on gambling establishments?

You say a lot about yourself by whose incompetence and corruption you excuse, neighbor.

I'm from New Orleans & you're lying
Yea Bush what a leader. So change the subject, its all good?

"Brownie you're doing a HELL of a job." Does LYING come that easy to conservatives.

Like 9/11 where Bush stares into space for a minute and goes back to reading a book for the 'childerns', the night before Katrina hit, Bush WAS TOLD THE LEVEE'S WOULD NOT HOLD. He did NOTHING (but lie about it later). They had video. He did that blank stare thing again.

There are over 150 books on HOW Katrina was miss handled, all the mistakes and total breakdown of government in this disaster after the disaster. There are almost 600 books on Katrina including ones on the rebuilding incompetence (to wit your crime BS & lies).


LIKE A TYPICAL Irresponsible Conservative you blame it on what?

"ITS A LEFT WING MEDIA CONSPIRACY"

Waaa, cry whine sob its the LIBERAL MEDIA AGAIN!

SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP YOU LIAR.

GROW A PAIR AND ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR ONCE!

I'm from New Orleans. My family goes back many generations and have a few famous ancestor. I wish gun duels where legal, because I'd like to challenge you.

People where in the Superdome for 5 days with out water. GREAT! Well they’re just poor blacks right? To help, Bush ordered looters be shot on sight. NICE!

Bush? Did a "FLY OVER". Nice!

GET ONE of the 150 to 600 books on of G. W. Bush and his leadership during and after Katrina. HE SUCKED & HIS ADMIN SUCKED & STILL DOES. (But $9 bil in Iraq is GREAT!)

"Brownie?" Bush put right wing cronies, political hacks, crooks, unqualified and unscrupulous into the Gov: Gonzalez, Harriet Miers, David Wilkins, Wolfowitz (list is too long; it's making me sick thinking of the corrupt & incompetent fools gallery).

YOU ARE NOT A PATRIOT IF YOU ALLOW THE GOV TO LIE AND VIOLATE THE CONSTITUTION BECAUSE ITS YOUR PARTY.PURGE THE FED GOV OF THESE BUSH APPOINTIES.

VOTE DEM '08 STOP THE MADNESS AND CLEAN HOUSE.

jetpilot has a point
I guess jetpiolt's point is that lying Republicans make liberals sick. Have I got that right?

Nagin and Blanco abandoned their responsibilities and constituents, then blamed the Federal Govern...no wait, they blamed the President himself. Do I have that right? They wanted to use the National Guard to assist in the cleanup, but didn't activate the local units...like they were supposed to do. Plans for evacuation were never implimented (Federal? State? or Local authority?) The Democratic machine will not accept the fact that they abandoned thousands of blacks in the deep South nor will they accept the consequenses that the rest of America saw adandoned humans left behind by a corrupt Democratic Governor and Mayor. Louisiana however, will.

By the way, which parish were you in when the flood occurred "jetpilot"? Or were YOU in a flyover?

Brewer says:
"Nagin and Blanco abandoned their responsibilities and constituents, then blamed the Federal Govern..."

Should make a wonder slogan in the Presidential election:

"We're NOT here to help!"

Of course, no one has taken the blame off of Louisiana Democrats - but Republicans HAVE to circle the wagons around Bush - much like a family covers for their retarded child when he attacks the little girl next door. That the Federal government responds to ALL national emergencies is irrelevant, that America SAW people dehydrating in the Superdome is Ireelevant, that the Levies are under the purview of the Federal government is irrelevant, That New Orleans is one of America's busiest ports is irrelevant, that Americans have a long tradition of helping out neighbors after natural disasters is irrelevant, that the world watched as one of America's premier cities (and major tourist and historical destinations) drowned is irrelevant - Bush must ALWAYS be protected - and here's why: Bush has no respect - those who don't feel he's an incompetent boob, feel he's an incompetent war monger. While Bill Clinton attracts throngs (and thongs), George Bush attracts disgust and hatred - but most of all, embarrassed laughter. At the end of the day, the Blow Job Boy has the respect - while the Phony Soldier is dismissed as an idiot.
Let the Republicans rumble - we know how they Feel about fellow Americans, be they from New Orleans, or be they poor kids (but not poor enough) who need medical insurance - let THEM explain this to the American public during the election cycle.

It's gonna be a rout!

Bush Lost This One...

Lets face the facts... Our President was lead around by his "people" on this one.

Katrina = Bush, and though it's hardly true... Nagan won the media war with Bush.

Bush's Admin. is out-of-touch... He should have slamed Nagan !!!

Republican leaders are idiots... We have a lack of connection with the middle-class, and Hillary is killing us.

Bush must have a secret deal to put Hillary in... there is no other reason for such incompetence.

jet "pilot"
You'd like to use your gun-- yep you're a liberal.
And dumber than a goose.
You can't lie or deny about the stinking liberal media.

It isn't about race
I don't think the crime rate in NO has anything to do with the race of the inhabitants. I think it is more the culture of dependency that was greatly increased during the Johnson administration. You are right, Dr. Moon, we need to look at what is going on and start solving problems. The truth is that too many in the black community have been abandoned, but not by a government that does not do enough. The fact is that the government abandons people when it sends the message that they cannot take care of themselves or their families so nanny state will do it for them.

The welfare system is an abysmal failure. It does not promote personal responsibility and therein lies the problem. When people do not have to act responsibly, it only follows that problems will be a result.

I live in a community that is predominantly white. We have a fairly low crime rate, but a huge percentage of the violence, theft, vandalism, etc is perpetrated by those who are on the government dole, and race is not a factor. Those who have consistently made poor life choices that lead them to government dependency tend to make poor parents, and the cycle often continues unless serious intervention occurs.

Bravo Dottie !!

Very, very, true !!!

I live in a very mixed race neighborhood... and yes, crime is predominant among the children of those on the government welfare dole.

Race doesn't come into the equation... Welfare whites are just as notorious as others.

Thanks for your common sense!

New Orleans and the Socialist - Libtard
fallacy that big government can handle it was exposed back on Sept 02, '05 by the following commentary: (http://www.intellectualactivist.com/php-bin/news/showArticle.php?id=1026)

An Unnatural Disaster: A Hurricane Exposes the Man-Made Disaster of the Welfare State

by Robert Tracinski

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Public officials did not expect that the first thing they would have to do is to send thousands of armed troops in armored vehicle, as if they are suppressing an enemy insurgency. And journalists—myself included—did not expect that the story would not be about rain, wind, and flooding, but about rape, murder, and looting.

But this is not a natural disaster. It is a man-made disaster.

The man-made disaster is not an inadequate or incompetent response by federal relief agencies, and it was not directly caused by Hurricane Katrina. This is where just about every newspaper and television channel has gotten the story wrong.

The man-made disaster we are now witnessing in New Orleans did not happen over four days last week. It happened over the past four decades. Hurricane Katrina merely exposed it to public view.

The man-made disaster is the welfare state.
(there is more)

The dogg brothers
Isn't it just like military loving dogg to get his but whipped by Boots and then leave only to return as Nycdogg to try and confuse people? He doesn't realise that he's the only one confused about him. He wants federal help but doesn't want the government digging in his records but he wants the government to break the law and come into NO and help without being asked before hand as trhe constitution says yet complains that all the government is corrupt. I guess that makes sense? NOT!! He's an IDIOT!!!!! EVEN WORSE, HE'S A NYC IDIOT!!!

HUNTER/TANCREDO "08"

We need more bridges
Apparently, there are a lot of trolls (dogg being one) who need a bridge to man (er troll....whatever).

That being said, thanks Carlos for your kind words. As a teacher, I am distressed by the havoc wrought by welfare. Low income kids are much more likely to be identified as learning disabled. It is not because they really are LD, but because they have parents who do not care about education. In my school, for every kid who is actually LD, there are at least two who are just apathetic (they surely were not born that way) due to the environment in which they live.

It is also interesting that in MY area, our alternative schools that serve students with emotional/behavior disorders have a population that are almost entirely made up of students whose parents are on the public dole. It just does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that welfare does MUCH more harm than good, and something needs to be done. Our politicians are either ignorant or uncaring. Reform has NOT gone far enough, and too many loopholes exist that keep people in a cycle of dependency.

Dottie
Are you saying that welfare makes kids physically and mentally disabled?

Is it possible that already low-income parents who have a disabled child need public assistance for medical care, therapeutic care, etc.?

As far as the children who are just apathetic as a result of their family situations, would it be possible that this "apathy", which is a classic symptom of childhood depression, is not so much a reaction to welfare as it is to a dysfunctional home environment?

Do you really think welfare makes adults and children dysfunctional, or could it be possible that dysfunctional people can't make it on their own?

good questions, touj
I believe everyone can make it on their own if they are expected to do so--unless there is a true mental or physical infirmity.

I have taught kids who have been diagnosed as B/ED (behaviorally/emotionally disordered). They refused to do anything in their regular school, were violent, verbally inappropriate, etc.

I refused to buy into the liberal view that these kids could not help the way they were. When they got into Ms. Dottie's class, they found out there were expectations, and they were going to meet them or there were going to be consequences. Guess what, touj? Nearly all kids worked to meet expectations. The ones I lost, I lost to the legal system because they got into trouble outside of school.

You are making excuses for people. The vast majority of people on welfare are NOT defective by nature which is what you are implying. Most would make it if they knew they had to.

Media dishonesty
I wasn't going to post on this thread and then I saw on TH that Fox news is saying Harry Potter character is Gay. What will it take for you people to see that Fox is a fake and pathetic news org.? The other day they had on some nut who said we should invade Pakistan! Don't we owe our country the decency to stay informed and politically savvy? C-Span has had some great forums on the Iraq war lately and CNN has had some good coverage also, in ant event try a bit harder.

Media in New Orleans
Mike,
Your artical about the news media in New Orleans,could'nt be more true.The facxts and figures are correct also.Now problem #2,Ray Nagin.
Kenny
Gonzales,LA.

Read this...
Douglas Brinkley's "The Great Deluge". The whole sorry story of the Storm, New Orleans and Nagin. It's an excellent, well-researched, mind-boggling book. You should be able to get it at your library, if they don't have it, ask them to order it, or go to Amazon and buy it.

Read this...
Hope my posting isn't duplicated (it didn't appear so I'm redoing it).

Douglas Brinkley's "The Great Deluge", the whole sorry story about the Storm, New Orleans and Nagin. It's an excellent, well-researched and mind-boggling book. You should be able to get it from your library. If they don't have it, ask them to order it, or go to Amazon and buy it. Mr. Brinkley put so much work into this that he deserves the money!


Dottie says:
"
It is also interesting that in MY area, our alternative schools that serve students with emotional/behavior disorders have a population that are almost entirely made up of students whose parents are on the public dole. "

Tell us about this public dole. There is no welfare for two parent homes - and there are welfare limits for single mothers - so tell us which dole are we talking about - food stamps? WIC? You'd prefer your students to come to school hungry? Have you considered that your students sense your blatant racism and hatred? Have you considered that you'd be a fine prison guard but no one should let you within ten miles of kids trying to learn?

Mister NY Dog writes:, 21, 2007 9:32 AM

You'd prefer your students to come to school hungry? Have you considered that your students sense your blatant racism and hatred?

DESKJOCKEY WRITES

We have a saying in the South, “you breed ‘em, you feed ‘em”. Certainly radical to NYC where it takes a village and folks are enslaved to raise other’s families. Looks like they are doing a lousy job of it also.

Dottie wrote
"You are making excuses for people. The vast majority of people on welfare are NOT defective by nature"

I didn't imply anything, I only asked you to define your position. It was clear to me if your were just teaching underperforming students or children who were seriously disabled either mentally or physically.

I think everyone is helped by rising expectations as long as they are realistic. And, I agree that "anyone-can-pull-thsemselves-up-by-their-own-bootstraps" has long been a popular, if not simplistic solution to social problems among conservatives. And it bears the old implication that poor people are poor because they're just not inherently as "good" as the rest of us.

I do not find it surprising that a family that is floundering and needs welfare to avoid homelessness would also be a family under serious stress, and children can be lightening rods for family stress. I think it's great that you got many of them to sit still in class, but I think it defies logic to imply that all welfare families need to get off the dole is a little of Mrs. Dottie's rules.



I forgot to add
That if you say

1. 50% of my students come from welfare families

2. 100% of my students have been diagnosed with some kind of LD problem

3. (?%) of the families that my school serves are on welfare

It does not follow that LD problems are caused by welfare, or that LD problems aren't real and just require a few rules. It also doesn't follow that if even the families in your district followed your rules that their need for assistance would end.

I think you are confusing cause and effect with self-serving evidence.


Last point
I think there is a danger in talking about "elfare families" as if they were all the same - it doesn't help to make generalizations anout any group of people. I'm sure that where you work there are families that are depressed, disorganized, chaotic, and that could benefit from intervention that helped them to bring order to their lives. I'm sure that there are also families who's problems are more complex, whose problems may involve physical disabilities that add stress and ulitmately, hopelessness.

Also, this hasn't been mentioned but I'll just bet that you also equate drug use as a reason for keeping families down and not as a symptom of dysfunction and alienation .

More excuses from touj
and rationalizing from the dogg.

For one thing, I am NOT a racist because I believe all people are equal and can perform well if it is expected, and I have seen proof of that. Those who believe we must do special things for those of different races are the racists because you have no faith in minorities to help themselves. Besides, you who accused me of racism, can you not read? I have incredibly few minority students as I live in a mostly white community.

My students see NOTHING but respect from me, and most return the same. It is people like you who try to make excuses for people that have caused this problem.

I think it is the two of you who are having a problem with this cause/effect thing. Welfare has caused problematic parents who then have and rear problematic kids.

As for the hunger thing....we give free breakfast and free lunch...if the parents cannot provide dinner, they should not have had children in the first place. I am sick of subsidizing poor life choices. I try to show my students another way.

And by the way, I have no pity for those who whine and cry about the bad breaks in life. Nobody paid for my college education (my parents made too much for me to get grants, but they did not fund my education). I paid for it myself because I knew it was the path to a satisfying life. I made choices and sacrifices to get what I wanted......I did NOT make excuses as to why I just couldn't afford an education.

I am also a divorced mother of five, so if you think I live on some easy street, you would be wrong. However, my children know what is expected of them (all will go to college, trade school, or receive something beyond a high school diploma). They don't get everything other kids get, but they are happy with what they have, and they would never try to cause trouble because they have gotten the message their whole life that I will not tolerate ill manners or poor behavior at school or anywhere else.


a few more things
If you truly believe that the people on welfare are magically going to go to work when their time is up, I have a bridge to sell you. Many have moved onto disability and will suck at that teat until they are kicked off of it.

The students who are under-performing are not "depressed." They have had parents who have not led with a good example, and they do not see the value of an education. When they realize the "compassion" has dried up, they will be sorry, but it will be a bit late.

Let me ask you this: If a major catastrophe struck Salt Lake City, would we see the same problems we saw with NOLA? I highly doubt it.

My students not only learn to sit still, they learn that the only way to get me off their backs is for them to conduct themselves according to certain standards. They rise to the occasion.

I was recruited to my current job because of the performance of my students in my other school. The admin realized the teachers needed more positive, truly progressive teachers on the special ed staff.

Dottie
What can I say? You obviously believe that children who come from welfare homes should pay the price and go without help, breakfast, etc., ---in short, everythimg but Mrs. Dotties rules.

I'm always amazed at people's ability to solve what are complicated, multi-layered issues with simplistic one-sentence solutions that are essentially just silly.

Maybe the government should pay you to call on all the welfare families in your district, tell them to straighten up, and hand them a list of Mrs. Dottie's rules.

Who knew there was such a simple solution to poverty, crime, drug and alcohol addiction, mental illness, birth defects, catastrophic events, and sociopathology?

What's stopping you? Since it's apparently so simple to end welfare, I help rasie the money to hire you to end it.


touj you are a racist
That is all I can say about you. Let's talk about touj's rules.

Those on welfare have not made poor choices, they are just victims of an uncaring society.

We can never call them on poor behavior because they cannot help it.

They should not have to work and provide a good example because that is just wrong.

Tell me touj, what have YOU done to try to ameliorate the situation other than make excuses and say that the poor are not to be held responsible for their choices?

and another thing
Where have I said they should go without help? I am educating them, is that not help? I am showing them the value of learning. Is that not help?

Because I don't want the cycle repeated you disparage me. Shame on you and a pox upon your house!

To those of you who have warned against engaging the trolls, I apologize.....I should not have responded to someone so entrenched in his liberal biases. I will try to never repeat said offense again.

I forgot...
Anyone notice that touj sounds an awful lot like Kimberly?

Welfare should never have been a government program. Private charities should care for those who are currently on the dole. TRUE physical/mental infirmity--a very small minority of those who receive aid--should be the only reason for public assistance.