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Friday, February 02, 2007
Mike Gallagher :: Townhall.com Columnist
Democrats have a double standard on race
by Mike Gallagher
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After it was confirmed on tape that Democratic Senator and presidential candidate Joe Biden did, indeed, say that Barack Obama was one of the first mainstream African-Americans seeking national office who was “clean” and “articulate”, even my Democrat wife predicted Biden’s political demise.

“He’s done”, said my Denise with a sigh. “There’s no way any presidential candidate could get away with something that awful.”

I wish I believed her.

It’s not easy living with a wife who gets excited about Democrats like Obama and Hillary and the rest of them. I’d like to say that she suffers from some kind of post-traumatic stress syndrome or another type of malady that would constantly make her so wrong when it comes to political matters.

But I’m resigned to sharing the rest of my life with a beautiful, smart, funny, loving woman who happens to vote for the wrong ticket practically every time.

So when she confidently predicted that the sky would fall on Biden, I’m afraid she’s probably wrong about politics once again.

You see, Joseph Biden isn’t some southern Senator like Trent Lott who made the mistake of wishing another southerner like Strom Thurmond birthday greetings. Biden is a yuppie, northern elitist Senator from Delaware who is destined to get a pass for his foot-in-mouth debacle.

Not even Barack Obama himself had the stomach to call a bigot a bigot. Perhaps Obama, basking in the adulation of a fawning media, simply wanted to avoid the controversy altogether. Maybe Jesse Jackson, yes THAT Jesse Jackson, just wanted to extend the hand of Christian brotherhood to a presidential candidate who would make a comment that made him sound like a Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Klan.

But the real likelihood is that no Democrat has the guts or integrity to condemn one of their own.

What a slap in the face Biden’s racist rant was to every African-American and decent person who heard him. How disgraceful to suggest that most blacks aren’t articulate or clean and it took a guy like Obama to finally come along and speak in a complete sentence while even appearing to shower and shave regularly.

Every prominent black American had a duty to condemn Sen. Joe “Grand Wizard” Biden of Delaware. Instead, they wimped out and failed the test.

That test is pretty easy to pass. Democrat or Republican, one does the right thing. It was not right to run Trent Lott out of his leadership post when all he did was try to make 100-year-old Strom Thurmond, a former presidential candidate, feel good about himself by saying Thurmond would have made a great president.

It was not right for Democrats to maliciously accuse President Bush of hating black people so much that he intentionally delayed rescue efforts in New Orleans.

And it is certainly not right for anyone to excuse Joe Biden for suggesting that there’s a real scarcity of articulate black leaders who bathe regularly. Incidentally, as I predicted, Biden’s pathetic defense is that he didn’t mean clean as in using soap and water and deodorant, he meant clean as in “clean as a whistle”, no corruption, no skeletons in his closet. So I guess Biden means that all the other black candidates for president – from Rev. Jackson to Shirley Chisholm to Alan Keyes and others – were just a bunch of crooked, corrupt black scoundrels.

Wow, that’s some defense, isn’t it?

Biden’s grinning, hyena-like performance on Jon Stewart’s cable TV show featured the Delaware Senator suggesting that everyone is focused on his use of the word, “clean.” No, Senator Klansman. It was your use of the word “first” that makes your comments so damning.

This story is a defining example of the fundamental difference between many Republicans and Democrats. When a Republican like Mark Foley screws up, we show him the door. When a Democrat implodes, other Democrats make excuses and spin and deny the truth, all in order to defend the indefensible.

It’s called a total lack of character. And every single Democrat – or Republican, for that matter – who fails to condemn Biden’s hateful, hurtful comments should be ashamed of themselves.

I suppose I’m not particularly surprised that few Democrats had the guts to say the right thing about Sen. Joe Biden. But there was at least one Democrat who did: my wife.

Maybe there’s hope for her yet.

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PC police
I love it when conservatives get amazed when a non-conservative doesn't toe the PC crowd. Wow, he accused a black man of being articulate. How horrible. Either conservatives detest PC or they don't. They should be awarding Biden a trophy for saying that Obama is the real deal because he wasn't raised on ebonics nor has his pants down to his knees. But I'm sure you'll let pass when conservatives call Obama a muslim. This columnist and his ilk are amazing. Comparing Bidens remarks to Lott's support of Thurmond's segragated world is mildly retarded if not fully moronic. Opps, another non-PC liberal...I said retarded. What a sad column.

A sad column?
What Gallagher said:
"You see, Joseph Biden isn’t some southern Senator like Trent Lott who made the mistake of wishing another southerner like Strom Thurmond birthday greetings."

When Gallagher repeats in case we missed it..:
"It was not right to run Trent Lott out of his leadership post when all he did was try to make 100-year-old Strom Thurmond, a former presidential candidate, feel good about himself by saying Thurmond would have made a great president."

What Lott ACTUALLY said:
"I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years, either,"

During the campaign, Thurmond said, "All the laws of Washington and all the bayonets of the Army cannot force the Negro into our homes, our schools, our churches."

Thurmond's party ran under a platform that declared in part, "We stand for the segregation of the races and the racial integrity of each race."

So, to spell it out; Lott was NOT guilty of merely "wishing another Southerner birthday greetings." Nor was he guilty MERELY of wanting to make Thurmond "feel better." He could have referred to ANY other of a number of Thurmonds life time achievements to have done that.

Mr. Gallagher, I cant stand when "Conservatives" make me agree with those "awful" Liberals. Personally, I am DELIGHTED that Lott was forced to resign. Not ONLY was what he said racist - even Thurmond disavows what he stood for then - but it was INCREDIBLY STOOOPID.

Your MISrepresentation of the case, which I have to believe is deliberate, does NOTHING to make one believe in your "outrage" at the - how did you put it? - "hateful hurtful comments" of Biden.

Fact is that as an ideological opponent of Biden's, you should be PLEASED by his putting his foot in him mouth... again. I am.

And I PREFER to be on the side which dumps people like Lott and Foley overboard than one which would keep them when they screw up as they have. And yes, I have to agree with "an american liberal" - what a sad column.

And we are surprised?
Democrats have always been hypocritical/ Look at the response of the two trolls above. I'm shocked! Shocked to discover gambling here at Ricks.

Vic
If you have an issue with my argument, address it - IF you can. Otherwise, you are simply being mindlessly personal. I am NOT a "troll."

column
i was quite surprised and had almost forgotten about how strom thurmond felt in 1948 about segregation and how he was instrumental in founding the dixiecratic party. am i wrong so far. how he ranted about how Negroes would never be allowed to associate with whites and mingle with them. but isn't it rather eery mikey that he fathered a daughter with a black teeneager that would have gotten him jailed today. didn't that amaze you at all? as far as obama, we in the black community say the same as joe biden, it is great to see a young american black man who is articulate, sharp, and has the main stream behind him where ever he goes right now. i don't ever see autograph hounds running behind mr. jackson or rev. sharpton, and yes these men are quite articulate too. but obama is treated quite well by the mainstream. i've also heard you state that jackson and sharpton were race baitors, i don't agree with that statement. jackson formed the rainbow coalition, i remember a few years back before the meat packing industries were overrun by illegals, that mr. jackson went out there to help them settle their strike, and sharpton went to puerto to support the locals over there at the naval base. so they don't just have black interest that they are attentative to. it's all in the delivery, i believe and i listen to you and how you treat people who do not agree with you. you invite guests on your show just to make you feel good about yourself after you have vilified them for disagreeing with you. we all have our differences, and dislikes, but dems do it better and gentler. maybe you could take a lesson from them. oh by the way, i am not a democrat nor am i an independent. i am a republican from the land of lincoln's birthplace.

standards
dems do not have a double standard on race as i see it. a lot of times people of different races have doulble standards period. it is not the policital party itself, its the people within the party. it is quite a reversal, since 50 - 60 years, i can remember our elders telling us of all the glory of the party of abraham lincoln, to this day i am still a lincoln republican. democrats were not even allowed to be in our elders presence. what a reversal of fortunes.

an american liberal
Your post is a perfect example of the Liberal double standard. First you move to protect the man no matter what. Then you try and twist the entire problem to suit your desired outcome

It is all over the news what the debate is about. Biden never accused Obama of anything! The debate is that Biden used the word "Clean" in reference to a Obama. Thus inferring that other blacks were not clean. If a Republican had said that, the Dims would be calling for his head.

But you know these things already as you launch an attack on this column. And you also know conservatives Hate PC! It is you Liberals who insist on using PC every chance you get as you now try and reverse it.

The only thing "sad" here is your ranting Liberal defense of Biden. You don't even have the guts to admit that he could have used a better choice of wording.

I also note that you still have not capitalized the name American. Even though many have brought the flaw to your attention. Very telling indeed!

Archie Bunker rides again
If you're too young to have seen "All in the Family" when it ran the first time, catch a few episodes on Deja Vue and remind yourself what the world was like in 1965. Most of the men in our neighbourhood spoke pretty much the way Joe Biden speaks, and they too thought (and think) that there's no harm in it because they don't parse sentences word by word, looking for reasons to scream and flail their arms; they take the whole sentence and understand what was meant. As the old song says "We heard what she said but we knew what she meant."

Of course, in Archie Bunker's case, he worked among working class men and the Black people he met were generally not outstanding; but if he'd met an Obama among them, he would have given him honest praise in precisely the words Joe Biden used. What Biden was saying was that Obama stands out from the pack of Race Warlords and people sitting on the kerb chanting WE WANT HELP! and the William Jeffersons of the Senate (and others) who steal and cheat and lie. He probably know ore about that thatn you do. The fact that he expresses himself in vocabulary you thought had been PC'd out of the world is what upsets you -- not what he said, because you didn't hear what he meant. You were too busy parsing each word to find a reason to get your boxers in a bunch.

A side issue

How often is it that so-called liberals and other "open-minded" persons gather to throw Oreos at Black candidates that have the gall to run as conservatives or (gasp) Republicans. Remember Michael Steele in Maryland?

clean
to goshawk: Oooops!!! clean: free from dirt, unsoiled; unstained---free from foreign or extraneous matter---free from pollution; pure---fresh, wholesome quality---free from roughness---if that's makes me a defender of joe biden, so be it. that is the way i and others in my community view obama. i don't worry much about capital letters any more. i finished english 101, a long time ago, i don't think i'm being graded on writing styles or am i? does my delivery of this letter matter so much to you that i have to use capital letters? in this great country of ours; are we no free to use self expression? it was an effort to make that "O" especially since i have crippling arthritis. have a good day!!!

I'm disappointed in ...
Gallaghers comparison of Biden's comments to those of Lott's because I believe that Lott was wrong in what he said and maybe even in what he beleives. The true difference though is the outcome. As pointed out by Mr. Gallagher, Republicans tend to do a better job of holding their people accountable then do Democrats. Anyone remember the whole sexual harrassment craze and Bob Packwood? The NAG gang, as Rush used to call them, was all over him. Of course, when one of their own crosses the line, one of their own being a Democrat that is, well, it's okay because he does so much more good for their cause. Sorry, but they make me want to puke.

Stupid, but not racist
The "racist" dog don't hunt, Mike.
Is Biden done as a Presidential candidate? Yeah, but not because this remark was racist. Using "clean" and "articulate" was just an example of the verbal poverty that led Biden to plagiarism in the past.
As little as I like Biden, my immediate reaction to his comment was "You can't run for President as a Democrat while tacitly pointing out the difference between mainstream, articulate Obama (speaks standard English and doesn't play the race card every 5 minutes) and race hucksters like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton."
A Democrat dissing the race hucksters is like a Republican dissing Pat Robertson, who's way out of the mainstream but seems to have maybe 0.5% loyalists whose votes a Republican needs. The race hucksters have a larger share than that of the Democrat vote.


The point
of this column was to point out that if a Republican had said something like Biden did, he/she would have been crucified in the press. So-called leaders like Jackson, Calypso Louis Farrakhan, Sharpton and the liberal media would be milking the story for all it was worth and would be trying to get that Republicn censured. But because it was a dem who made these stupid comments nothing........insert sound of crickets here.
That is the point of the column and Mike is right about that point.

beachmom
You got THAT right.

It only takes one "suspect" statement to get
Jesse "shake em down" Jackson and Al "Twanda Brawley" Shrapton out from under their rocks and looking for a payoff to go away.

I don't much care
for Biden, but this is stupid. I believe he meant clean in the uncorrupted sense, unlike in my mind the race whores like JJ, who has made a fine living as an extortionist. If he was Italian he's be in jail under Rico.

PC keeps this garbage alive in this country,we should be free to speak our minds on these issues. Cosby did and got excoriated, Chris Rock showed the difference between black people and n^**#$s and the same thing happened to him.

Democrats have been pandering and lieing to black folks for years and they still buy into it.
When are they going to wake up?

Whites accept mainstream blacks today as they should, but most resent welfare leeches and gangsta dope dealers and that is what divides us and always will.



To bonnie
Geesh girl, don't go berserk! We all know what the meaning of the word "clean" means. ( Unlike Klinton who is still trying to figure out what the meaning of IS is.) And I could care less if you defend Biden or anyone else. Nor do I care how you write or your skill level in grammar is. I was addressing the fact that anyone who has respect for the United States Of America. Will always capitalize the name America! Which is proper.

Sorry about your arthritis, so take it easy ok?

Disgust for black 'gangsta' culture
Is actually something far left and far right can agree with - far right because it's contrary to their social agenda, far left because they know hip hop culture keeps black people ignorant and thus a permanent underclass.

Then again, I don't know how I'd feel if I were black.

Living with the knowledge that as recent as 50 years ago you would have lived in an apartheid state and now suddenly you have rights equal to everyone else and the white man is lecturing you like a child 'come on...you have equal rights why can't you make anything of yourself? Bad, bad!'

they agree
Democrats don't see Biden's comments as a big deal because they actually agree with everything he said.


GunnyG
Did you see Sharpton on TV last night? During an interview he was asked how he felt about Bidens statement. He said "I don't think he meant anything derogatory, and he didn't say it to me." Shows how selective they 'can' be, eh wot?

Goshawk
Biden probably slipped the Good Reverend a "C" note under the table to say that.

Word games
I can see both sides of this discussion. I think conservatives are making too much out of Biden's comments. Clearly "clean" wasn't a statement of hygiene. At the same time, I have no doubt that if a conservative candidate had made the same comments, the MSM would have insisted that the individual was indeed referring to Obama's hygiene and was clearly making a demeaning, racist comment. Do you recall how feverishly the MSM worked to find a meaning of "moukaka"(sp?) that implied a racist remark? The double standard is what it is. Conservatives just need to deal with it.

The problem is not with the libs and the MSM as much as it is with conservatives. As soon as a conservative falls victim to the MSM games of distortion conservatives run and hide. Why does the guy have to abandon his bid for presidential candidate just because the MSM inaccurately inserted meaning to his moukaka comment? Look at the whole Scooter Libby deal. Fitzgerald should be on trial, not Libby. What a bunch of wimps. There's something to be said for standing up for what's right. That's my beef with conservatives. They fold too easily. Just do the right thing anyway even if they call you names and distort the truth. I don't agree with the poster who said they were glad to be associated with the party who threw folks out. If they're guilty, sure throw them out but not before the facts are known. The libs have been successfully using this weakness for years. They've been targeting good conservative politicians and creating scandal because they know the linguine spine conservatives will toss them over.

1st Jesse Chapter 7 Verses 3-9
3) Verly I say unto thee, thou shalt not condemn a chosen Democrat 4) Thou shalt ony condemn dem Bible believing, Republicans, who hath claim Jesus Christ as savior, and not me. 5) They shall perish if they use the "N" word, or make a statement not approved by me 6) Brother Biden his remarks shall thou not condemn for verly I say he hath protection given unto him by me and my P.C. Disciples. 7) Thou shall bow and accept my double standard, and shall heap abuse on dem Republicans, and not protest Democrat statements as racist 8) I your leader Jessie along with Bro. Al hath spoken. 9) thou shall obey my words.

Why is this so hard?
All that Mike Gallagher is saying (and saying in a clever way, thank you) is that if a Republican said EXACTLY the same thing, he's be skewered by the Dems, the press, AND the Republicans. And Mike is right. Why is that truth (and I'm sorry, it is a truth) so easily missed by the kool-aid drinking members of the left?

actually
Biden may suffer from foot-in-mouth disease, but he is not a yuppie and certainly not a northern elitist. Few people understand us Delawareans because we are different in little ways. We say “That’s our Joe” as type of inside joke mingled with parental tolerance. I don’t think he has a chance of even carrying Delaware but we love to watch him try.

As for double standards, they are common in all groups. It’s part of human nature. Gallagher uses them constantly and we see them every day in the threads at TH from both sides of the debate.

This isn’t one of Gallagher’s better works. It’s just a shot at another Democrat contender with a slap at the left thrown in for good measure. Now, if he has grave doubts about his wife’s judgment, I figure he ought to know.

desu, not always!
There is not always agreement on the gangsta rap issue. Here in Lexington, KY, the rapper Ludicris will be "performing" in concert. He apparently is trying to buy some goodwill by donating money to some local high schools. As such, he wanted to have the Bryan Station HS Band perform as one of the warm up bands. WOW! The outcry from the progressives when the school board, UH UH to the offer. Pick an argument and pick a side. This one has gone all over the map. Log onto kentuckyconnect.com, the local liberal rag and read some of the letters to the editor. The only thing the issue has reaffirmed for me is the concept that "Ignorance abounds!"

desu
"Disgust for black 'gangsta' culture is actually something far left and far right can agree with - far right because it's contrary to their social agenda, far left because they know hip hop culture keeps black people ignorant and thus a permanent underclass."

Wrong! Bzzzzzz!

The left actually likes the gangsta culture because..... it keeps black people ignorant and thus a permanent underclass.

And thus a solid voting block.

The same reason they are against school vouchers, welfare reform, and for affirmative action.

Again, why is this so hard?
I'm desparately hoping that Parker is making a clumsy (REALLY clumsy) attempt at dark humor.

Anyway...

Look, the point that the right is trying to make is that when someone makes the kind of comment that Biden makes it may be a slip of the tongue, or it may be a true reflection of what he really thinks. But none of that matters with the left. There is an army of individuals ready to defend innocent slips of the tongue for dems and not for Republicans. The people coming on line here to defend the dems are just proving our point!

The scary part of all this is that I thought that the double standards for democrats was just annoying, but now I can see that it actually works! People have really been convinced that the Republicans all want to go back to the days of dogs and water cannons while the dems are all angels of light who wish nothing but the best for everyone (except conservatives, of course).

The responders above who are bending their brains over backward to argue against the double-standard are just proving its existence.

Incidentally, are there double-standards on all sides? Of course! It's just that the dems get away with theirs a lot more often than the Republicans. That's our point.

Why the uproar
I see that there seems to be a media double standard ont he race issue, a conservative would have been crucified by now. However, is Biden not just making a generalization that is atleast somewhat based on the national preception of the black culture. I mean your mainstream black representatives are not clean cut (baggy pants, shirts half on, shoes untied, huge "grill") Obama is not a rapper. He is not a gangster. He doesn't use ebonics terms. Biden described just that. Obama is most likely viewed by some in the community as a sell-out for not embracing the black culture of today. Rice and Powell have been viewed as such. I agree with Mike on most points, but here is a time when the party line has to be forgotten - if it where a conservative he would most likely be on the defense. Should the guy have said ti like that - no. But does a poorly worded comment (foot in the mouth) make a man a racist...no...it just means that he takes notice of the general public and the examples the media sets forth and creates a view point.

Thing is, he's right
Not that I mind Joe Biden getting his orifices reamed by the PC police (couldn't happen to a more deserving guy, sez I), but the fact of the matter is, he's acknowledging reality for the Democrats.

Republican blacks tend to be men and women of unusual character. They have to be, to succeed while being savaged by their own community, which tears at conservative blacks like hyenas at meat. Condi Rice, Clarence Thomas, Alan Keyes, JC Watts... these are impressive folks.

By contrast, blacks among the Democrats have been consistent problems. If they're not outright criminals, they're mouthy and sleazy. I remember Rep Adam Clayton Powell, who had to resign for ethical slip-ups; Julian Bond, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharton, William Jefferson, etc. For some reason, all the blacks who gain power among the Democrats have serious personal flaws.

So, when Joe Biden observes that Obama is the first "clean" African-American on the scene, from the POV of the Democrats, I have to say he's got a point.

Someguy
Someguy: "People have really been convinced that the Republicans all want to go back to the days of dogs and water cannons.."

Which is PRECISELY why Mr. Gallagher shouldnt have wasted his time defending Lott.... And precisely why it was essential that Lott became radioactive to CONservatives. Mr. Gallagher is really playing into their hands. Why could he not have criticised Biden without trying to defend Lott and done a clean job?

Offense
Please don't take offense to what I'm going to say but you have to understand that Jackson, Sharpton and others are on the payroll for the Democrats. So, if we look at the old House Negro mentality of former slaves who had the privilege of being in the BIG house with the Massa, they wouldn't dare challenge the massa's comments, his constant beatings and racial slurs. They didn't dare or they would find themselves out in the fields rather than in the main house getting all of the goodies while their family members died of heat strokes from the sun and suffered terribly at the hands of their slave masters.
Don't take any offense to my comments although it is a correct comparison of Jackson and Sharpton.

Jackson and Sharpton should be ashamed of themselves for not standing for their black sisters and brothers who have no voice. If you remember Hillary stated last year in a church gathering, which Sharpton hosted made this comment, “The congress is ran like a plantation and YOU know what I’m talking about.” Referring to the overwhelmingly black congregation, she put the emphases on YOU. Ross Perot simply said, “You People” and all hell broke lose.
Good thing that it was not a Republican who made those comments that Biden made or he would have been crucified.

Isaiah
Excellent example.

Gallagher's Point
is not just that dems don't give republicans the benefit of the doubt when they say things wrong, though that is one of his points. He openly states he believes biden meant what he said as a racist remark:

"Not even Barack Obama himself had the stomach to call a bigot a bigot."

Gallagher is calling Biden a racist. He is not just trying to say dems get a pass and republicans don't. So, please don't come up here and state that he was just trying to make this point.

"What a slap in the face Biden’s racist rant was to every African-American and decent person who heard him."

A rant? What a misrepresentation. What Michael Richards spouted was a rant.

As for Biden's remarks, I doubt he meant hygienically clean. He probably didn't even mean well-groomed. He probably meant what he said later on when he said that he was "fresh," meaning untainted like the other black politicians who have been around for a long time. I doubt anyone here would describe Sharpton's or Jackson's politics as clean. Thus, I agree with an above posted that there is some common ground between conservatives and what Biden said.

But in order to show the double standard (which, I admit, does exist, and the GOP rarely gets the benefit of the doubt) Gallagher has to call Biden an outright racist. Why? Because he has to compare Biden to Lott in order to have his suggestion of the double standard to hold water, at least in his mind. However, he need not do that to show the double standard. All he has to do is reference other times when a conservative or republican misspoke and that person was crucified. Basically, he takes the ridiculous, biased route to show a clearly unbiased and true assessment of a situation.

As for Lott:

Strom Thurmond: Segregation will solve Americas problems.

Trent Lott: Strom Thurmond would have prevented the problems of the last 50 years by _____________ (fill in the blank).

There isn't much room for interpretation of Lott's statement, whereas Biden's leaves much room.

But, the democrats double-standard is a solid indication as to why they're gaining strength. They stick together through anything. The GOP should do the same thing instead of kowtowing to the the liberal PC machine. The liberals demanded Lott's head and we served it up on a gold platter.

What we should really be concerned about is our own deference to the whims of the PC crowd. Pointing out the double-standard of dems can only really benefit us if we learn the lesson that we do not have to extirpate our own party by dismissing controversial leaders.

OK. One last time. WHY IS THIS SO HARD?
OK. Trent Lott was on the wrong side of the race issue 30 years ago.

So, why is Robert Byrd still a prominent democrat? He claimed that he only joined the Klu Klux Klan because they were anti-communist, not because the were anti-racial-equality. He's been allowed to get away with that line for decades.

Lots of people were on the wrong side of the race issue decades ago. Many of them have appropriately changed there minds for the good. Are you trying to tell me that there is no one in the democratic party that wasn't on the wrong side of the race issue decades ago? We won't even go into that fact that the democratic party appears to be the new home of a lot of very anti-semetic people - that's for another day.

While we're at it, OK - Joe Biden isn't a blatent racist along the lines of Klu Klux Klan members. The point is (one more time) that republicans are treated differently than democrats on this issue. If a republican said the same thing, it would be kept alive in the media for months. Joe Biden was allowed to go on TV and say, "I didn't mean THAT. Let me tell you what I REALLY meant". When he did so, he was met with a fawning TV interviewer. A Republican would have been met with the wrath of the whole media. We would hear blistering rebukes from the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, and every democrat on the block. And we would hear them for months. The only people making hay of this are the conservative talk show hosts and National review.

And this goes for a lot of issues. Republicans are mean-spirited racist war mongers who want to starve poor school children and make your grandmother eat dog food in order to afford her life-saving medications. Democrats are angels of light who sometimes make minor slip-ups.

OK, that's over-stated, but not by much it seems.


Isaiah, et al
First off, Isaiah, while you are right that Jackson and Sharpton SHOULD be ashamed of themselves, the problem is even simpler than you describe.

The Democrats have been spending the last 43 years (since the passage of the Civil Rights Act in 64) trying to convince people that they (who opposed the Act vehemently) are the people who care about stamping out racism and the Republicans (who mostly supported the Act) are racist. Since they don't have a historical leg to stand on, they make bold proclamations of racial conflict, class warfare, etc. And they've been pretty successful at convincing the ignorant masses that they are right.

The point is that if one of their own is exposed as a racist, their argument starts to lose water. It's OK for Dems to attack the race of people like Keyes, Rice, Thomas, Thomas Sowell, and other black conservatives because they are all "sell-outs" and "Uncle Toms" and "Race Traitors." But if a Democrat was ever exposed showing contempt for the race of another Democrat, and thus all blacks (or whatever) that puts a hole in their bucket. And people start to wonder whether it's the conservatism or the race they are attacking when they attack Keyes, Rice, Thomas, and Sowell. So every time a Democrat makes a racist remark (like Biden here, or Hillary with her "Plantation" joke last year or the year before) or is associated with a racist group (like Senator Byrd (D-WV), the "conscience of the Senate" and a former member of the KKK), it's swept under the rug by the racebaiters like Jackson and Sharpton because their bread is buttered by the Dems and their message is only received by Dems.

And if the Dems are shown to be feeding the racial tensions (which they are) to line their own political pockets, anyone who really cares about race will stop voting for them.

Someguy
Let's not forget that before the 1964 Civil Rights act, the Democrats, not the Republicans, were the party of Racism and segregation. And if we want to go back even further, the Democratic party (not the Republicans, again) fought for slavery at least as hard as they fight for abortion now. Their issue with Lincoln (that started the Civil War) wasn't that he was going to abolish existing slavery, but that he was going to admit new states on the condition that they be free (as opposed to slave) states. Lincoln was simply against the EXPANSION of slavery.

That party still hasn't changed much in the last 150 years. They are still the party of the inheritance-rich (Kennedy, Kerry, Rockafeller, etc), Racial division (as opposed to a true end to racism), and immorality (they can't have slavery, so they move to abortion and gays).

Who is really surprised?
Just look at the history of racism rooted deep within the Democratic Party.

- While the Democratic Party was passing the Fugitive Slave Law, making the mere accusation of being a runaway slave reason enough to deny habeas corpus, and passing the Kansas-Nebraska Act that brought slavery to the territories, abolitionist former Whigs and Democrats got together and formed the Republican Party under the priciple of abolishing slavery.

- While Repbublicans passed the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments by unanimous margins, only 23% of Democrats voted for the 13th, while not even 1 Democrat voted for the 14th and 15th Amendment.

- In 1872, a congressional investigation led to the Democratic Party being forced to admit that they founded the Ku Klux Klan in order to thwart the spread of the Republican Party.

- FDR's first Supreme Court nominee, Hugo Black, was a life member of the Ku Klux Klan, and in 1944, FDR named Harry Truman, who joined the Kansas City Ku Klux Klan in 1922, as his Vice President.

- The 1964 Civil Rights Act was passed with 80% of the Repubicans voting for it, but only 64% of Democrats.

- In 1993, Democratic president William Jefferson Clinton awarded the author of the "Southern Manifesto", Democratic Senator William Fullbright, the highest award that can be given to a civilian -- The Presidential Medal of Freedom.

- The only currently elected Klansman elected to federal office is a Democrat(Senator Robert Byrd, D-WV, was a Kleagle in the KKK).

To this very day, the Democratic Party maintains its stance that blacks are inherently inferior. So inferior that they think blacks require a 20-point bonus (out of a possible 120 points) on their college admissions scores simply because of the color of their skin.

Others feel that blacks are so stupid that they are unable to articulate a complete English sentence, and must be taught "Ebonics" in school.

The Democratic Party is also the biggest supporter of Planned Parenthood, which is an organization that was founded by a person who believed "colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated" (Margaret Sanger). So extreme were Sanger's eugenic views that Adolf Hitler himself spoke of how much he admired her.

Many of the most ernestly held core beliefs of the Democratic Party are founded in their racism. For example, the minimum wage was originally instituted specifically to raise unemployment of blacks, with the Democrats thinking that if blacks couldn't find a job, they'd find someplace else to live.

Perhaps this is the reason why any time a Democrat exposes their innate racism, no one cares. It isn't a news story. Democrats are racists, and everyone knows it, whether everyone wants to admit it or not.

Someguy: Why is THIS so hard?
Someguy: "OK. Trent Lott was on the wrong side of the race issue 30 years ago."

No. Trent Lott was "on the wrong side" a FEW years ago, at Thurmond's 100th birthday.

As for Byrd? Who cares? The point is that there IS a "double standard" so what are we to do about it? And if we are held to a higher standard, then so be it. We should be living by a higher standard ANYway.

Mr. Gallagher chose a VERY POOR example to illustrate his point. "Beam in brother's eye..." "Pot calling the kettle..." and all that.

How much simpler can I state the issue?

Nothing like a good debate
Can any liberal leaning person here claim that if Biden were conservative he would be getting crucified right now?

Change the name from Biden to, I don't know, Craig Thomas (WY) (just picked a random, solid conservative), and tell me the reaction would be the same.


Happy Jake
HJ: "It's OK for Dems to attack the race of people like Keyes, Rice, Thomas, Thomas Sowell, and other black conservatives because they are all "sell-outs" and "Uncle Toms" and "Race Traitors.""

Exactly so. And PRECISELY why Mr. Gallagher is dead WRONG to try and whitewash Lott.

Trent, Joe/Nixon, Clinton
I liked President Bush's expression, referring to today's schools' treatment of their black students, "the soft bigotry of low expectations," and I think it probably fits Biden's careless words. He's probably not a racist or an out-and-out bigot, he's just softly bigoted. But, to paraphrase Ann Richards, "Poor Joe, he can't hep it." And he's just not clever enough to hide it.

What Trent Lott said was not only thoughtless and stupid but was also probably wrong, wrong, wrong. And, just guessing, I bet even old Strom didn't remember that '40's attitude as his finest hour. He said what politicians said back then if they wanted to be elected. There were doubtless numerous other things Lott could have said to make that old man feel good. Lott was--and is--a buffoon and I was glad he left his leadership position.

The best example of Republicans forcing their own to "do the right thing" might be their forcing Richard Nixon to resign. Note the Democrats did NOT make that mistake. Sure, Clinton's offense was "just about sex" (and perjury in an attempt to deny an American citizen a fair trial), but Nixon's offense was attempting to protect a group of people who, on his behalf but without his knowledge, committed a "second-rate burglary." (No one would ever accuse Clinton of sacrificing himself to protect ANYONE.) Nixon's resignation did save the nation from going through the turmoil we went through as Clinton fought tooth-and-nail to avoid being forced from office. (I believe the Democrats consistently blame that weakening of Clinton's position for Clinton's inability to effectively fight any terrorist actions. You know, it's the Republicans' fault....) And if the MSM had been half as bent on getting rid of Clinton as they were getting rid of Nixon, there was plenty there for them to exploit.

I agree, we are too quick to attack our own. And the Democrats are all too willing to help us.

What A Pathetic Column
...AND it's the headliner for the site! It's so transparently hypocritical that not even the wingnuts are buying it. Sorry but repubs calling others out for supposed racism isn't going to fly. There's a difference between making a mistake and showing your true colors, like Lott and Thurmond, as even most of the posters on this thread understand.

RE: bushwhacker
Funny you bring up Strom Thurmond. He denounced his racism decades ago, and became one of the leading civil rights advocates, hiring the first black Senate staffer, was the primary backer of the MLK Jr. national holiday, and received numerous awards from the black community. On the other hand, Ku Klux Klan Kleagle Bobby Byrd to this very day refers to people as ni**ers in public.

Democrat
What exactly is a "Democrat"? Is this another talking points buzz word that extremists made up to go along with their rhetoric?
If your statement can't be deciphered, people can't be sure what they're commenting on.
Sharon Dupree

Thank you, beowulfe
Beowulfe states it well. Especially pertinent are the post 1960 examples.

To "N/A" - What is a Democrat? Just like Republicans, they're a complex group. Some are downright conservative, but most appear to be very liberal. Most of the mainstream media are liberal, so they give democrats a pass when they do bad things. That's what this article is about.

I'm not sure the democrats (or other proponents of modern liberalism) would have as much power as they currently do if the average american were given a balanced presentation of issues by the media. Again, an issue for another day, but since you asked...

Polly wrote
"Sure, Clinton's offense was "just about sex" (and perjury in an attempt to deny an American citizen a fair trial), but Nixon's offense was attempting to protect a group of people who, on his behalf but without his knowledge, committed a "second-rate burglary." (No one would ever accuse Clinton of sacrificing himself to protect ANYONE.)"

Uh, no. Nixon. Nixon used executive power to try to subvert the election (and democracy itself). Clinton was subjected to a witch hunt about his sex life (remember, the Paula Jones case, like the imeachment itself, was dismissed - no merit). If you're so worked up about perjury, let's hear your take on the Libby trial. Is "Scooter" sacrificing him self to protect others, or trying to deny Valerie Plame her day in court?

The golden rule
Joe Biden is a not so nice man with some really bad ideas on how to govern yet he continues to win election after election. He stands virtually no chance of winning the democratic nomination and thus no chance at the presidency.

As for his latest remarks -- do unto others as you would have done unto you. Not as they have done to you lately. In the end we all have to account for both thoughts and deeds and it will do no good at all to shout "But he started it!!"

The Monkey...
Is still using her favorite words... Biden's remark was as I take it-clean as in fresh face. No biggie. And,(scream)!! He is a dem!!!

Screecher, why bring Bush and your spewing hate of him into the Biden thing...Did you know that hate makes a person really ugly? Oh, wait, you are already a monkey...the only cute monkey I know is Curious George.

And, if we are expected to believe Jon Kairy and his lame "excuse" about ending up in Iraq and then refusing to apologize while Schumer and Dean were saying he didn't mean it...Why didn't anyone believe Lott or give him the benefit like they gave Cairy? (Because the same rules never apply to the left...?)
Here was Lott's apology:

"Talking outside his home here, Lott again said his comments at Thurmond's 100th birthday party were not malicious and he repeated his pledge to turn the experience into positive action as he finishes his term in the Senate. At first, Lott tried to deflect criticism, saying his speech was only meant as lighthearted praise of the retiring Thurmond. He later apologized, saying "a poor choice of words conveyed to some the impression that I embraced the discarded policies of the past. Nothing could be further from the truth."
I'd say that was a double standard...


The example stands
Trent Lott wished an old man happy birthday. Did he review Strom's various positions through out his life? most likely not, he was just trying to be nice to a 100 year old man. It was not an out right races statement but could be easily twisted into one and when it was he was raked over the coals and kicked aside.

Joe Biden tried to give a compliment to Obama saying "first mainstream African-Americans seeking national office who was “clean” and “articulate”" which does not require any twisting "its a racist statement" If he would of simply left out "African American" and "first" it would of been fine.

With one statement people had to read into the meaning to come up with racism, the other statement is racist on the face of it. Did either Biden or Lott mean their statement to be racist in any way? doubtful.

What Mr Callagher accurately points out is that the more obviously racist statement is ignored by the same people who had to read into someone else's statement to come up with racism which can only mean they are intellectually dishonest and with out character.

Tehran Kim writes:
"And we all know Bush just doesn't care about POOR people - black, white, asian or hispanic...."

What do you mean "we", Tehran Kim???

You aren't on the DailyKos or moveon.org, Sweetie...

Or do you have a mouse in your pocket?

Happy Jakes
Happy Jakes, That is a good "Moreover"...

You all have to understand that Keyes, Rice, Thomas, Thomas Sowell, and other black conservatives are the Field Negros and they are to stay in their places and Jackson and Sharpton are the house Negros.

Remember that those slave masters paid Good Money for those slaves and they had better stay in there place. (Jackson and Sharpton) Not only that, they better be the ambassadors for their massas to the field Negros.
You see, Jackson and Sharpton unlike the field Negros will have life made easy for them. Where as Thomas, Sowell, Keyes, and Rice had to work the fields to attain their status thus they appreciate it more. Was it not Mr. Sowell who said that "hunger is a good motivator?"

AreDNmYheaD
Sorry, but this wont do. Thurmond ran on a SPECIFICALLY racist platform back then, which he HIMself has disavowed.

IF Lott had ONLY said "Happy Birthday," and praised him for anything EXCEPT that particular episode then you would be correct.

But. See my original post. Nothing I wrote there is knowledge that isnt WIDELY available, and there is nothing there that Lott shouldnt have known about. So whether he "intended" to be racist or not - his sentiments were disgraceful, because they could not be interpreted by reasonable people any other way.

Joe Biden is proof....
that there is something wrong with the water in Delaware

and

that there is something wrong with the Democratic party.

Spin it all you like: If a white Republican said the exact same thing about Obama, they would be politically dead within one news cycle. They wouldn't even get a chance to "explain" themselves.

It's stuff like this that makes so many Americans distrust the "party of ethics".

An American Liberal wrote:
"PC police
I love it when conservatives get amazed when a non-conservative doesn't toe the PC crowd. Wow, he accused a black man of being articulate. How horrible. Either conservatives detest PC or they don't. They should be awarding Biden a trophy for saying that Obama is the real deal because he wasn't raised on ebonics nor has his pants down to his knees. But I'm sure you'll let pass when conservatives call Obama a muslim. This columnist and his ilk are amazing."

Are you that dense? It wasn't that he complimented Obama. It was in doing so he revealed his attitude toward other blacks that was far more callous than anything Lott said or downright racist.

"Comparing Bidens remarks to Lott's support of Thurmond's segragated world is mildly retarded if not fully moronic. Opps, another non-PC liberal...I said retarded. What a sad column."

How so? Do you remember what Lott actually said and in what context? Thurmond wasn't running for President and Lott said nothing concerning his proposed policies. He was simply being nice to an old man. But even Thurmond evolved beyond the ideas that he and many other Dems held in the 50's so to pull up an indirect inference from that far back was beyond ridiculous.

But like most libs... you see what you want to see especially when it muddies a conservative.

Clinton
Was guilty of perjury. Period. It really doesn't matter what you lie about it is a felony and should have resulted in his removal without bias or favor.

If the President's solemn oath isn't absolute and we won't hold him to it... then there is no such thing as the rule of law. We have fallen into the rule of the elite.

BTW, what Clinton did would get a CEO fired for sexual harassment/fraternization. His treatment of Broderick would have gotten a Republican pushed out even if it had been a false accusation... which it doesn't sound like it was. Further, the Clinton's used the power of gov't to suppress whistelblowers.

These are facts. Not opinions. The Senate led by Republicans failed to perform its Constitutional duty and our Republic is much the worse for it.

Are 'Blacks' DIRTY and INARTICULATE?
Why the silence of condemnation by 'Black' Democrats. Black racists like Jessi Jackson and Al Sharpton are silent when a fellow Democrat does or says something wrong. There is a unity of Democrats that the Republicans do not have. The Honorable Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich condemned by Republicans when he just told his wife while in the hospital that he wanted a divorce. Newt would make a fine President. Ted Kennedy supported by Democrats when he killed a woman he was having an affair with in a drunken stupor when he drove off a closed bridge and let her drown while swimming to safety. Kennedy still a power in Senate. Bill Clinton having sex in White House with intern. Wife running for President. John Kennedy turning White House into his own Bordello. Democrats all supported their own. Maybe Republicans can learn something from Democrats?

BMT
Perhaps. But maybe that is what makes the Democrats very DIFFICULT to support. I doubt I ever see Ted Kennedy spouting about some percieved injustice or other without thinking... hmmmmmm... Did this man not kill a young girl and not even do jail?

JimmyJoe
"Nothing I wrote there is knowledge that isnt WIDELY available, and there is nothing there that Lott shouldnt have known about."

Sorry your missing the point. It is widely available if you take the time to research it. I didn't say it was hard to find however, no additional steps are required at all to see that Biden's comments are simply racist.

With little effort if you so want you can construe Lott's statements are racist "if you want" it takes no effort at all to see Biden's comments are racist.

So the point is why the double standard? Bidens statement is obviously racist, not to mention he has a history of such statements. i.e. You need to be able to speak Hindi to work/goto a Seven Eleven. (paraphrased) One other thing is that Lott was supported by the African American leaders of his state, you wold think they would have a good idea if he was racist.

Again why the double standard from the people so quick to call person statement racist and not the other.

You can't be serious
If you like to say Lott's statement is racist fine but, if you don't say the same about Biden's you are intellectually dishonest and should not be taken to seriously because your judgment is clouded by your bias.

If you want to get into the argument that one man is more likely racist than the other we can but, that was not the point of the article.


AreDNmYheaD
I fully appreciate that "research" is required. But Thurmond's platform wasnt exactly a state secret. And praising this - for whatever reason -really is stretching things.

Biden spouts a LOT. And when he puts his foot in his mouth, as he has done, I for one am not in the least bit "outraged." Nor do I believe Mr. Gallagher to be. Quite the opposite.

Yes, there is a double standard. I have no argument with that. But given that is the way it IS, then we have to deal with that reality. And I see no gain in muddying the waters by trying to defend Lott, when there are FAR better examples to choose from.

Think Clarence Tomas, and what he had to endure to take his seat on the Supreme Court. If I recall correctly, he was facing - of all people -Kennedy and Biden!!!

Lott was supported by black leaders in his home state. Doesnt take one whit from the utter stupidity of his remarks, nor the implicit racism therein.

He was one of the most powerful people withIN his state, and had personal relationships with these people, who may have had a variety of motives for supporting him - be those motives charitable or otherwise. Why kick a man when he was down?

But either way, there was NO way he could have survived in his position as leader after that.

Oh. You have an addition.
A: "If you like to say Lott's statement is racist fine but, if you don't say the same about Biden's you are intellectually dishonest and should not be taken to seriously because your judgment is clouded by your bias."

This is pretty strong. I think in the light of what I have posted already, you should withdraw this statement. I really dont want to address it.

justpaul
The rest of the country should be as nice and well balanced as Delaware. Politics are cleaner there than anywhere else in the country. The place is too small to hide anything. What you have done is offer a great example of the double standard that runs throughout TH. If someone you hate, say Clinton of Kerry were to utter such a remark about a beloved red state, there would be folks here howling for their blood. I always find it interesting when hypocrisy is used to decry hypocrisy.

Stupid Statements
I am in no way defending anyone. I'm simply stating it is a good example of the double standard. They were both stupid statements.

I don't believe excepting a double standard as "that is the way it IS" is a good course of action. We need to point it out whenever it occurs, not for those like Biden or Sharpton nothing will ever change their minds but, for those still intellectually honest and that may be uninformed about it.

JimmyJoe
This is pretty strong. I think in the light of what I have posted already, you should withdraw this statement. I really dont want to address it.

I'm not talking to you if I was I would have addressed it so.

AreD: I repeat myself for YOUR benefit:
From my first post...
"Fact is that as an ideological opponent of Biden's, you should be PLEASED by his putting his foot in him mouth... again. I am.

And I PREFER to be on the side which dumps people like Lott and Foley overboard than one which would keep them when they screw up as they have."

From my second post:
"Why could he not have criticised Biden without trying to defend Lott and done a clean job?"

From my fourth post:
"As for Byrd? Who cares? The point is that there IS a "double standard" so what are we to do about it? And if we are held to a higher standard, then so be it. We should be living by a higher standard ANYway."

From my fifth post:
HJ: "It's OK for Dems to attack the race of people like Keyes, Rice, Thomas, Thomas Sowell, and other black conservatives because they are all "sell-outs" and "Uncle Toms" and "Race Traitors.""
Exactly so. And PRECISELY why Mr. Gallagher is dead WRONG to try and whitewash Lott.

From my sixth post:
"I doubt I ever see Ted Kennedy spouting about some percieved injustice or other without thinking... hmmmmmm... Did this man not kill a young girl and not even do jail?"

I AM "biased" - but not as you seem to think. Which possibly means I am not biased at ALL... But I would still ask you to withdraw your statement.

AreD
Mr. Gallagher was "defending" Lott. And for this reason, I criticised him. Sure, we should point out the "double standard" wherever we come across it. But we ourSELVES have to be pretty much above board - particularly that the double standard is given.

Your comment about "intellectual dishonesty" was addressed in a post following one you addressed to me, and which wasNT addressed, so I naturally took it to follow on from that. And, given that I wasnt taking the trouble to criticise Biden, it was natural for me to assume you completely misinterpreted where I was coming from.

Daily show
I'm curious why nobody has mentioned that after all the postives Biden claimed for Obama, he then made what I think is a racist (pity racism, the racism of the Left) statemnet in calling Obama "A phenomanon" , as if an intelligent well spoken black man is something out of a Sci-fi movie. Of course he feels this way, as Obama may have done it without his elitist help.

bushwhacker
The Paula Jones case WAS dismissed (because the judge thought Ms. Jones couldn't show harm), and while it was on appeal Clinton paid her $850,000 to drop the appeal (but, of course, did not admit guilt). No one ever claimed that the trier of fact, the jury, could not find in her favor.

That Clinton was not removed from office should shame the Republicans, who could not bring themselves to stand up straight, and the Democrats, who will defend their own against ANYTHING.

On the other hand, there's always the possibility that with Algor as president, things COULD have been worse. Heck, he might have held his breath and stomped his feet until SOMEONE in Congress, please, just ONE of you, would agree to sign the Kyoto agreement.

Nixon himself did not try to "subvert the election (and democracy itself)," though he DID try to protect those who did. Luckily he was so hated by the MSM that he could not survive.

Sure, I'll defend Scooter Libby. The prosecutor knew there was no crime early in the game, knew who the leaker was and that he wasn't attempting to "out" a covert agent (in part because Ms. Plame hadn't been covert for years and wasn't covered by the Act under which a leaker might be prosecuted). But he continued to subpoena all the prominent Republicans he could, questioning and questioning and FINALLY found one person who said something different from what some other person said. PRESTO VICTORY!!!

Ms. Plame was not seeking a day in court; she had not been injured in any way. But what fun she and Joe had for a while.

Kimbat
I told myself I would just ignore you, but you continue to do your little fly-bys and post a bunch of made-up facts. Please stop lying or just go away.

You stated, "..and we all know Bush just doesn't care about POOR people - black, white, asian or hispanic...."

For the record,
In 1996, the Clinton budget allotted $191 billion for poverty entitlements, or 12.2% of the budget. In 2006, the Bush 2006 budget allotted a record-shattering $368 billion for poverty entitlements, 14.6% of the entire budget!

I know how much you hate truth and facts, but just because you see a vision in floating in your bong water or you "wish it were true" doesn't make it so.

Mike's right... and articulate
Sad that so many are focusing on the word "clean". That's what the Dems want - it's the word that Biden can explain away. What about the word "articulate"!?!?!?! How often do you hear that about white candidates? football players? musicians? doctors? lawyers? etc...

"Articulate" is whitespeak for being a racist. Anyone who does not admit that using the word "articulate" to describe a grown, educated, English-as-a-first-language man is a liar and proves Gallagher's point - if you're a Dem you can do whatever you want.

Jabelson

It drives me crazy when liberals take the high ground on helping the poor. LIBERAL policies have damned the poor to stay poor. Conservatives believe in charity (we give more that liberals), but more importantly, conservatives believe in teaching people how to move from unsuccessful to successful.

You don't do this by raising minimum wage!!! When a poor man asks a fisherman for some food, the fisherman has a choice. He can give the man a fish, or teach him to fish for himself. Liberals don't just give the man a fish, they steal the fish from someone else, and give it to the man, who shows up the next day, hand outstretched, complaining about how awful rich fisherman are. A conservative shows the man how to fish. He learns of catch enough fish to feed his family and make some extra money. He even helps the next poor man who stumbles across his path, not by giving him a fish, but by teaching the next man.

As far as this case, I don't have a problem with Biden speaking his mind. The problem is that liberals won't attack him when they attack anything that a conservative might say. Consider this "cleanest Congress in history" pledge. It is a flat out lie. Democrats have plenty of crooks among their ranks, but they won't do a darn thing about them...because they are Democrats.

Jabelson
You write "many detractors on the right like to bring up alleged lesbianism by Hillary Clinton, but here we have the Vice President's daughter a real dyke - and a two mommy family as well, but, of course, politicizing that is a no, no."

First, few serious people bother to wonder about Hillary's sexual preference, if any.

Second, as a good Democratic, how dare you refer to a lesbian as a "real dyke." Or disparage a two-mommy family.

Third, the Democratics mainly try to politicize the situation by pretending acceptance but making every effort to be certain that anyone opposed to homosexuality on religious grounds knows that Cheney has an EVIL daughter. Shame on them. (As I recall, the Clintons made sure that their daughter was off limits--to everyone.)

And cut the "draft-dodger" crap. Bush enlisted even though he was NOT drafted, and as current events have shown, he could have easily been sent to fight; Clinton WAS drafted but talked his way out of it (remember, he LOATHED the military).

Kerry...whatever!!

Polly
Wow... nicely done!

Jabelson
"vote against the poor (i.e., no minimum wage) or women (i.e., no to family leave) and to people of color (no to affirmative action)"

These actually hurt the poor and minorities i.e. minimum wage takes away the low skilled entry level jobs available and raises prices on items that the poor purchase. Affirmative action (Quotas) are wrong, people should not be held back or shown favor based on race. It certainly should not be institutionalized.

As far as the differences between Bush and Clinton. One can only guess whats in the hearts of men but only one of the two actually served his country. Being retired Air Force I must say, the Air National Guard is a respectable career option.

As for Kerry, any good onyas he would have received from serving in Nam were washed away when he came home an lied to Congress about the atrocities and gave aid and comfort to our enemies .

Polly
I type too slow

Biden gets a pass
in my book because he was speaking in a manner understood by his audience but not very PC. That, would be somewhat refreshing to be able to speak and communicate intent and meaning without the thought police second guessing and "knowing" a person's thoughts and intents.

As some have pointed out, the thesis of the column has been ignored by our defenders of the left and the media. I don't think what Biden said was out of order. But had he been a Republican ...

There are some basic reasons for this, I believe. To our left leaning friends out there a person's past indesgressions or even is immediate words such as Bidens mean nothing. He is a liberal with power and pursuing the liberal course. Social engineering and change can only come politically and everything is politics. That is why an avowed homosexual who fondled a 17 year old page on a trip to the Bahamas in the 1980's can continue to serve in office and recieve a hero's funeral. That is why a Teddy Kennedy can continue to get re-elected and serve prominantly even though he allowed a woman to drown trapped in his own car. He has power and only power matters to those whose lives are committed to socializing our republic.

As conservatives, a person's past and past words and present words matter as well as thier life style. A lie is a lie is a lie and calls into question ones reliability and overall fitness to lead. We differ because we do not seek power in order to inagurate change. We seek to maintain our representative republic and free market economy. Power at times is the means to do this but not the only means.

As far as the thesis goes the Democrats are far more disciplined than Republicans in keeping quiet. Though how hard is it to defend onesself in front of a sympathetic show host? That is the real hypocracy of all of this. PC speech is not equally regulated though I'd like to see a day when it is not adhered to anymore by anyone.

Repubilcan envy
Republicans are just mad because they want to priviledge to call black people names. Why are Republicans so envious of democrats?

I'm glad Joe is running....
If nothing else, he may continue to tell it like it is about Hilary and that's a good thing!

Biden as president is scary, but not nearly as scary as Ms Rodman.

Phil 1861
Fabulous. You are right. And, you're smart! (and articulate!!)

"PC speech is not equally regulated though I'd like to see a day when it is not adhered to anymore by anyone."

Your next assignment is to give us the tools to reach that day.

The right to call names
StomsDaughter

You're absolutely right...er... correct. Only Democrats must be allowed to get away with calling black people names.

zilla
You are also smart! and articulate!

as far as clean goes well... I am on the other end of allot of wire thank goodness.

Biden Mistake Not A Big Deal
I think this whole Senator Joe Biden quote about Senator Barack Obama being the first black Presidential candidate who is clean and articulate is a waste of time and is getting more attention than it deserves. When I first read it, the first thought that came to mind was, "the press and the liberals are going to be all over Biden for this one". It was a shock when I realized later that no one was making a big deal out of it. Even the Rev. Jesse Jackson didn't make his usual gripe about racism, he just blew it off as a mistake.

Mind you, myself being a Republican, I believe Senator Biden's words were a mistake and not intentioned to offend, there was no underlining hint of racism, he is not a member of the KKK or anything ridiculous like that. But what does bother me is the hypocrisy of the liberal news media, the democrats and other associated sources. If a Republican had said the same thing about Senator Obama or another candidate of African-ethnicity, be sure the liberals, the news media, Hollywood and yes, Jesse Jackson, would be all over this guy like white on rice.

Democrats and the liberals need to stop playing the race card every moment they get. It's a cheap shot and lacks class. Republicans as well, need to start showing their strengths that we are a multi-ethnic, American party. We are all proud Americans who come from different states, different ethnic-heritages, religious beliefs and economic backgrounds. But we are united as being Americans who are proud of our heritage, our way of life and our entertwined beliefs with the founding fathers that we believe in small, limited and responsible government, no unnecessary taxes, no choke-hold regulations against businesses and people and more liberty and freedoms for the individual. We are the original conservationists who protect the environment (dating back to Theodore Roosevelt) in order to keep our nation healthy and clean for the future generations and we are the ones who truly promote, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It's time to show America and the world what we Republicans are truly capable of and what we're truly about!

Jabelson
"As to assertions that Minimum wage raises actually hurts the poor, that may be the prevailing economic theories, but when you have a congress of millionaires who give themselves raises but refuse it to the lowest of the low, then, IMHO, economic theory takes a backseat to overt hypocrisy. At the very least, it fuels a perception that republicans don't give spit for the poor - and I think that the perception is a reality. "

SO IT IS OKAY to hurt the poor to avoid bad appearances?

OH and there is more then a little data and common sense backing up that prevailing economic theory.

"Affirmative action can only be seen as unfair if you ignore that for soooo many years blacks (and women)were excluded - socially and legally - from many of the institutions that generate wealth for future generations (such as property ownership and education). Since we know that Republicans are also against any system of reparations"

So its about getting even. When will we be even then?

Reparations from who? Me? My Family who wasn't even in the county back then? The U.S. government? were do you think they will get that money? They will get it from me and you thats who. Business? that too will also come from me and you in the form of higher prices. I'm sure if I look back in my family history far enough someone will owe me too. When does it end?

Jabelson
Ignoring the first two paragraphs displaying your stupidity, I'll address your whine for reparations.

I'll donate 100.00 of MY OWN money to the first black person who can prove that he/she was a slave.

THAT SAID, I'm all for reparations as long as they include REPATRIATION.

Funny, the only blacks that I hear whining about that are the ones who refuse to "make it" in the "white man's" world and instead, claim victim status. Those are same types who called Steele "Oreo" and "Uncle Tom" and Condi "Kitchen Help."

It's the 21st Century, slavery was over in 1865 and I sold my plantation a few years later.

"Reparations"
Jabelson

You're forgetting about reparations for American Indians, native Hawaiians, etc., etc.

As for Republicans, they VOLUNRARILY donate more money out of their OWN pockets to charities helping the poor than liberals do...has to do with feelings of personal responsibility to help others.

sjt18 and Goshawk
Give me a break. For one, I'm not a democrat and have no problem criticizing anyone from either party. There are too many whores on both sides to say which side is worse. I like someone honest and saying that Obama is clean and articulate isn't something I would argue. I'm not a PC librarian and I don't count who is on what side. Trent Lott was not put out by democrats or liberals. He shot himself in the foot and it was the conservatives that threw him to the dogs. So much for your party being non-PC. And Hastert lost because he covered up for a mini-pediphile. Your side can't keep shooting yourselves in the foot and then blaming the MSM and liberals for noting the sideshow.

As for my small a - american name, I think there are enough big A - Americans on TH (although one could argue that the big A also stands for the hole in which they stick their heads) that I feel a niche of non-jingoistic patriot.


Jabelson said:
"I agree that liberals adhere to a double standard on race and gender, not because it's right or fair, but because we know that a liberal may be sexist or racist in his heart (and sometime his actions), but the legislation he votes for will be to advance race or gender - whereas the right speaks a big game and then make sure they vote against the poor (i.e., no minimum wage) or women (i.e., no to family leave) and to people of color (no to affirmative action) - for instance."

In other words, liberals pander while conservatives act as if people actually ARE deserving of equal treatment under the law by standing for the minimal gov't interference in citizen affairs as the Constitution intended... and you think you're on the right side of that argument.

an American liberal
No one said Republicans did not throw Lott out. He said something stupid if not racist and he got tossed.

Again the issue is with all libs screaming for Lotts head but not Bidens.

The pediphile, dimocrats new about his activities and held the information back till it would benefit them most. Not to mention the dimocrats actually have admitted pedaphile (that actually fondled under age pages)in there ranks and do nothing at all about it.

You tell me what is more reprehensible?

zilla
Send your kids to college to become journalists. It will take several generations to weed out the political profiteers from our newsrooms and networks but it could happen.

Making hay of what Biden said is just the PC thuggery that we bash liberals and the media for doing when a conservative slips the ole foot in his mouth.

Jabelson
I don't see anyone pretending Jim Crow did not happen but, how much money? how much preferential treatment? it is good enough how do you know when? When we can move on to the real work of changing mens hearts when they are not sure all men are created equal.

Excluding blacks
Jabelson

How many blacks, hispanic American, women did the Bill Clinton (Democrats/liberals) promote to high government positions or recommend for the Supreme Court? Bush did, but of course they were all called "house ni**ers", or tokens, etc., etc. You talk about hypocrites!!!

Jabelson
"Hurt the poor?"

You said it

"As to assertions that Minimum wage raises actually hurts the poor, that may be the prevailing economic theories, but when you have a congress of millionaires who give themselves raises but refuse it to the lowest of the low, then, IMHO, economic theory takes a backseat to overt hypocrisy. At the very least, it fuels a perception that republicans don't give spit for the poor - and I think that the perception is a reality."

If that is the prevailing theory "do to evidence on hand" and even if it hurts the poor do it anyway because of the perception if you dont.

Can any liberal poster
say that a conservative would be treated the same if they said the same ting? I want an answer.

Jabelson
In other words if thats the prevailing theory. Then why vote for it if it hurts the poor.

To avoid the negative appearance according to you

Jabelson
"THEMSELVES a raise while telling the poor that a raise in their meager wages would hurt them?"

Most people that make min wage are not poor by the way. In fact vary few are and most working poor with full time jobs make above the min wage already.

Whether or not Congress deserves a wage increase can be argued forever. No matter which party is in control they seem to get a pay raise.

Other then for appearances the two items are unrelated.

Gallagher wants to be a victim?
He said:
"Every prominent black American had a duty to condemn Sen. Joe “Grand Wizard” Biden of Delaware. Instead, they wimped out and failed the test."

When will people learn that Americans who are black are not some commodity to take advantage of?
The problem is the way the press tends to react not what black Americans should or shouldn't do.

The more that Republicans blow things like this out of proportion the longer it will take to convince people who are black that Republicans care about their lot as Americans rather than making them convert political parties.

Yes, I know there are all sorts of counterpoints about tactics and what the Democrats have done. I am guilty of doing the same on occasion. But fortunately for me, my time as a military brat and career as a military member let me do what many white Americans haven't had an opportunity to do. And that is to simply get to know people as peers, bosses, and subordinates while working and living together on a daily basis. Like anyone else, one's views mature over time and tend to center on family concerns first. Black Americans are not sheep and as we move to another generation of Americans where record numbers of people who are black have moved into the economic "middle class" and beyond, political loyalties may shift and a more even split among the two parties will take place.

But with every whining "it's not fair" about some Democrat being treated differently and the old chestnuts of Lott, Byrd, etc. constantly being revived, the average Joe and Jane American, who happens to be black, will see it as blind concern about party loyalty.




a a l:
"Give me a break. For one, I'm not a democrat and have no problem criticizing anyone from either party. There are too many whores on both sides to say which side is worse. I like someone honest and saying that Obama is clean and articulate isn't something I would argue."

First, you nor anyone else knows how "clean" Obama is. I remember not long ago the liberal press wringing their hands over a presidential candidate who didn't have any foreign policy experience. Obama has very little experience at all.

Second, it wasn't what Biden said about Obama that was the issue. I can't believe you are being so obtuse on that point. The offensive was that he directly implied that other black candidates had not been clean or articulate. He only made things worse by saying he didn't mean clean in the physical sense... that clarified that he meant they weren't ethically clean/honest.

"Trent Lott was not put out by democrats or liberals. He shot himself in the foot and it was the conservatives that threw him to the dogs."

Really? You don't think he got horrendous, distracting press after saying it? You don't recall all the calls for his ouster from the left?

"So much for your party being non-PC."

PC? Maybe, maybe not. Cowards? You bet.

"And Hastert lost because he covered up for a mini-pediphile."

Wait... When was Foley demonstrated to be a pedophile or proven to have actually had an affair with an intern? What he did was stupid and contrary to the party's supposed values but his "crimes" and their cover-up pale in comparison to what Clinton did with the aid of the media and virtually the whole Democratic party. How many Dems knowing good and well that Clinton was guilty of actually having an affair with an underling came out and vigorously defended him?

Do you really think that the two or 3 year difference between Clinton's actual victim and Foley's object of affection is that big of a deal?

Beyond Clinton you have Studd, Frank, Mel Reynolds, Ted Kennedy, etc who were all involved in far worse sexual scandals/crimes than Foley who were defended by the Dem party. Reynolds was under indictment when the Dems helped him get reelected. Studd served for 24 years AFTER his scandal.

"Your side can't keep shooting yourselves in the foot and then blaming the MSM and liberals for noting the sideshow."

I'm actually pleased that the GOP has better standards of personal behavior than the Dems... but the Lott thing was just stupid... and honestly, I've never liked him much. I think he's too much of a DC compromiser.

Jabelson said:
"I just don't understand how so-called caring people could know the history of Jim Crow (not slavery, but the 100 years after it) - know to their bones that blacks were treated horribly - excluded from schools, unions, sports teams - you name it - even the military for many years - yet any idea that the US owes these people ANYTHING is outlandish!"

While you're at it, let's not forget to help the white sharecropper descendants as well as the descendants of sweat shop workers, victims of robber barrons, American Indians, victims of Sherman, victims of Reconstruction, victims of the welfare state enslavement, etc, etc, etc. They all deserve reparations... now we've just got to figure out who should pay it since most everyone alive in America today is a descendant of one oppressed group or another.

Blacks deserve the same thing, the best thing, America ever offered anyone... the rights and liberties detailed in our Constitution.

"Forget about stone cold haters like KKKuny K - I mean decent Christians who are willing to let American boys die for Iraqi purple thumbs, but don't give a thimble full of pee for Americans forced into servitude and then second-class citizenship!"

Really? Who is it that is dividing America into classes? Who is it that emphasizes racial divides, social divides, economic divides, religious divides, etc?... and not 50 to 100 years ago but right now! That would be liberals and Dems. They do it because it empowers them to control both the groups they propose to "save" and everyone else in one stroke.

I've lived all over the country. Do you know the place with the most racial harmony that I've lived? Union, SC. When the Smith girl (who was from CA btw) lied about a black man taking her boys, the media had to interview blacks from other places to find someone willing to complain about racism. The blacks in Union were just upset with the loss in their neighbors' family as far as I've heard from the significant number of people I know who still live there.

The biggest difference I can tell about folks there is most of them just choose not to hate each other.

The most racist place I've seen was Chicago.

"It boggles the mind, but explains why Republicans can only get a few black Americans on board..."

I don't presume to know everything about why blacks don't change over... especially the 40% or so whose polling preferences on the issues line up with the GOP (to include affirmative action) but part of it I would suspect has to do with heavy handed racebaiting... say like the commercials blaming Bush for a black man dragged behind a truck...

Double Standards
To Jabelson, Amen.

I don't see how some of the Black "conservative" posters can take the hurtful slurs day by day by day.


As an aside, can some conservative explain why white gansters can become Icons (Jessie James,Bonnie& Clyde, John Goti, etc.) but Black gansters are what?

Jabelson again:
"Maybe not, but at the very least, does Congree have to vote THEMSELVES a raise while telling the poor that a raise in their meager wages would hurt them?

Not very Christian, folks..."

Who else is supposed to give them a raise? Do you know how underpaid they truly are if that is their only compensation... which of course it usually isn't. Idea: Maybe that would be a way to get the crooks out of gov't. Make a law that they had to forfeit their outside income to taxes while in office. All of them have businesses/investments in supposed blind trusts... They should keep ownership but forfeit the profits. That would show sincerity.

But the minimum wage argument is just stupid. Gov't does not have a right to interfere in the work agreement between a willing employer and worker unless they can prove abuse. This is personal. My school age son worked a summer job farming last year at minimum wage. This year because of the stupid raise in the minimum wage, the farmer probably won't be able to afford him.

Thanks once again to liberals. My industrious, work minded 14 year old who was determined to save enough for a vehicle by 16 will now have NO income or summer job prospect.

BTW, have you ever read Jesus parable concerning the landowner who hired workers for his vineyard in Mat 20? Here's a quote from Jesus Himself that establishes property rights and contradicts union extortion tactics and minimum wage demagogury:

"10 But when the first came, they supposed that they would receive more; and they likewise received each a denarius. 11 And when they had received it, they complained against the landowner, 12 saying, 'These last men have worked only one hour, and you made them equal to us who have borne the burden and the heat of the day.' 13 But he answered one of them and said, 'Friend, I am doing you no wrong. Did you not agree with me for a denarius? 14 Take what is yours and go your way. I wish to give to this last man the same as to you. 15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I wish with my own things? Or is your eye evil because I am good?'"

NOTE: The one who wanted more than he agreed to work for against the will of the employer was considered evil. The one who made honest contracts was called good.

Moderate Hick
How about when Dems blow things out of proportion concerning conservatives and race and sometimes even lie? Do you really think GWB delayed Katrina relief to hurt black people? That was outrageous... was it not?

Biden probably didn't mean it the way he said it. But the way he said it, had it been said by a conservative, would have by now resulted in his resignation from the Senate or else Dem moves to censure him. The press would have been fuming.

His "damage control" was probably worse than what he said. All that was really necessary is for him to have said "I'm sorry, I didn't mean that the way it sounded". Instead, the more he explained, the more it sounded like it really was born of his attitude towards blacks.

Who knows? Maybe he does resent what Jackson, Sharpton, et al have done to his party. I wouldn't exactly blame him. They've muscled them around with the race politics for years. Maybe Obama hasn't done that.

I think Obama is wrong in his ideals but so far I haven't detected the racist overtones we got from candidates Jackson and Sharpton.

always Right wrote:
"As an aside, can some conservative explain why white gansters can become Icons (Jessie James,Bonnie& Clyde, John Goti, etc.) but Black gansters are what?"

Well, who do you think made heroes out of them. I don't know about Gotti... I can't say I know of anyone who considers him a hero... must be a Dem/liberal thing.

As for the other two, both were (or became through media manipulation) Robin Hood figures. The James-Younger gang operated during a time where northerners through Reconstruction policies and the banking system were robbing former Confederates blind. They were thugs... but many people liked seeing Yankees and bankers getting their come uppance. They also sold themselves as patriots continuing the struggle for the southern cause.

Bonnie and Clyde just became romanticized. But again, it was more of a populist (liberal/Dem) thing than conservative thing.

All were/are criminals and deserve(d) justice.

BTW, I think the two I explained were made heroes in part because they struck back at oppressors. There is no evidence the James' robbed or hurt their neighbors.

Black gangsters primarily do harm to other black people. One thing the GOP should do to show they care is pour money into however much police protection is required to bring safety to those communities. In contradiction to welfare programs that only contribute to the problem, this security would allow the economies to blossom... it would be an investment.

Oh and another thing... it seems to be liberals who howl at the notion of school dress codes to help suppress gang activity. Why is that if you CARE so much?

always Right (isn't this time...)
It's really pretty funny, actually, that every time a leftist attempts to illustrate a "contradiction" or "inconsistency" in conservatives' positions, it illustrates only how badly they need private tutoring to improve their analytical reasoning skills. But it's also irritating that their votes count as much as ours.

Seriously, "always": "white gansters can become Icons (Jessie James,Bonnie& Clyde, John Goti, etc.)"???? ICONS????? Could you possibly be serious???? Just how many white kids are going around saying "I want to be just like John Gotti when I grow up"??????

As a matter of fact, I'm old enough to remember when the movie Bonnie & Clyde first aired. Sam Peckinpaugh (a liberal) was taken to task by cultural conservatives for making outright criminality appear fun and exciting. Liberals hooted derisively at that criticism. So who is it, "always Right", who's attempting to make white gangsters into cultural icons??????

If you need tutoring in analytical reasoning, I'm available. But I'm not holding my breath.

Get that man a white sheet & point hat!
Look, who gives a damn what Joe Biden says. The only thing that matters is the sanctimonious blowhard did what we all knew he was going to do eventually. We just thought the idiot might hang around a while longer.

Sjt18 misses the point
Whether or not it is outrageous is not what I am concerned with. My point is that if the Republicans wish to have more "people of color" its base needs to get over the unfair characterizations.

We could spend an entire day throwing out things that the press may have tilted unfairly in the political arena, but constantly going on about it, tends to cause a reaction that all the Republicans care about is your vote. By now it should be pretty obvious that the more a Republican protests about a "double standard" the more it sounds like they are hiding something.
For heavens sake just say "No, that is not a fair characterization" one time and move on. Believe me it is more sincere than doing the contortions some are doing.

I always like pointing to Reagan's style, which worked (a) because he was sincere (b) he didn't whine and (c) he still managed to stick to his core convictions.

We have too few people setting that example in the Republican party.
I am not saying the extreme left is without its excesses but that is a subject for a different day and thread.

Repubilcans are racist
BOORTZ: Well, I know you disagree with me. That's fine, you can disagree all you want. And I also believe that this Muhammad guy is just a phony rag-picker that created --Neal Boortz

"Some (Japanese-Americans) probably were intent on doing harm to us, just as some of these Arab-Americans are probably intent on doing harm to us," the High Point Enterprise quoted Coble as saying.

Rep. Howard Coble from North Carolina.

...when you're dealing with Arabs, there are no friends. They're old rug traders going back a thousand years in that part of the world. Right now, one side is your friend; the other side is your enemy. The next day, they're both stabbing you in the back and picking your pockets. But I guess they don't teach you that at Yale. They teach you that all cultures have something to offer the world.
Michael Savage

David Duke, the former Klansman and Louisiana state representative, chaired the Republican Parish Executive Committee of the largest Republican parish in Louisiana as late as 2000

always Right
You say "white gangsters can become icons." Then ask "but Black gangsters are what?" Well..Icons!.. Like Jack$on, $harpton, Farrakhan. To name a few.

Strom's Daughter Proves Liberal Excess
You stated:
"Repubilcans are racist"

is not anymore responsible, or true, than statements that all Democrats are traitors. This is how the far left turns off the moderate voters.

Moderate Hick
Well said!

Moderate Hick
"This is how the far left turns off the moderate voters."

What happened November 7th?

DEMS will do anything
to keep blacks and now Hispanics perpetually on the plantation of the welfare state. It's part of the bigotry of low expectations. They have pimped and played the black man for a sucker since 1968, when they decided at their convention to become the party of the eternal welfare state.

Biden's comments
Article is dead on target.
Biden is a jerk and a hippocrite as is the general Democratic party.

Polly writes:
"Nixon himself did not try to "subvert the election (and democracy itself)," though he DID try to protect those who did. Luckily he was so hated by the MSM that he could not survive."

Nixon evaded taxes, accepted illicit campaign contributions, ordered secret bombings, and harassed opponents with executive agencies, wiretaps, and break-ins. He authorized a hush fund to be distributed by Howard Hunt and ordered the CIA to stop the FBI from investigating into some of the above activities. All of which is basic US history as of 30 years ago. Good luck with that revisionism.

"Sure, I'll defend Scooter Libby. The prosecutor knew there was no crime early in the game, knew who the leaker was and that he wasn't attempting to "out" a covert agent (in part because Ms. Plame hadn't been covert for years and wasn't covered by the Act under which a leaker might be prosecuted).

I guess that would be, what, previsionism? Remember, please, that it was the CIA itself that filed the original criminal referral in the Plame case - why would they have done that were she not covert? And, if you would please, cite where it is authoritatively stated by any government official that she was not covert. The CIA has certainly never said that. Fitzgerald went to court with what little he had because of grand jury time limitations, and in the sure knowledge that revelations from the Libby prosecution was the surest way to obtain the actual dirt on which to base more indictments. First you get at the truth by prosecuting the perjurers - then you have solid testimony on which to proceed further, as will be seen, don't worry.

"Ms. Plame was not seeking a day in court; she had not been injured in any way. But what fun she and Joe had for a while."

Aside from her career being ruined for political revenge by someone who was vindictive and cowardly enough to attack someone's wife, you're right. But the civil courts may see it differently, to say nothing of what might come out of the Libby perjury trial.

Stop using the "Liberal Media Card"
Conservatives are just like Jesse Jackson, always using their special “Cards” when things don’t go their way.

Jesse Jackson is always using the “Race Card” when there are no sign of racism.
And conservatives are always using the “Liberal Media Card” when there is no sign of liberal bias.

The reason why the media or black are not given Joe Biden any heat over his comment is because he is NOT perceived as a racist. Most people perceive 50+ year old White Males from the state of Mississippi (Trent Lott) as “Special People”. The type of people that fear and hate things they see as different, like race and religion.

If a conservative like John Mccain made the same comment the Media and black people would have reacted in the same way they did for Joe Biden. Because John Mccain is NOT perceive as a Good Ol Boy.

To better understand why blacks and the “Liberal” Media are having such a hard time embracing the current Republican Party. Please read “Conservatives Without Conscience” by John Dean. John Dean is a truly great Conservative. I’m a young black male, conservative by heart. But I will not be a Republican, because so many of them are driven by greed, fear, and hate. If you can not see this you are truly delusional.

Someguy
Says:

"All that Mike Gallagher is saying (and saying in a clever way, thank you) is that if a Republican said EXACTLY the same thing, he's be skewered by the Dems, the press, AND the Republicans. And Mike is right. Why is that truth (and I'm sorry, it is a truth) so easily missed by the kool-aid drinking members of the left?"

Why? Because it confronts their religious beliefs and as we know, faith is something that requires no proof or logic. I'm sure we've seen it plenty of times: libs simply shrug off facts that contravene their fantasy.

Actually, Biden was displaying his membership in the Plantation Owners Society. The members, Kennedy, Biden, Clinton et al, are characterized by the liberal patronizing attitude i.e. 'Blacks can't compete fairly unless we tilt the playing field in their favor'. And for this they require tribute. A likely seething Obama dutifully took no note of the comments, even though in the past he's expressed sensitivity regarding his ears and racial makeup.

It's at those relaxed moments when libs go off script when you get their true attitudes as Kerry displayed his. Biden showed his hand by actually expressing his wonderment that a black man could be 'articulate' and 'clean', meaning polished, implying that these are is otherwise rare traits among blacks.

Ask yourself: Where have these guys deigned to share and distribute power fairly to blacks in any kind of proportion to the support they acquire from blacks. The republicans have shared power hugely in favor of blacks in comparison to the support they get.

It's too bad we still discuss these issues in terms of race as the libs make us do. Even the Super bowl coaches are expressing sickness and disgust that the media's attention seems exclusively focused on their race. Dungy's had a lot of heartbreaking playoff loses - he paid his dues. It wasn't affirmative action that got Lovie there - he showed judgment in sticking with Grossman when even the Bears fans wanted his blood.

Who's attitude would you think they'd want and appreciate: the liberal expression of racially qualified wonder or the conservative congratulating success for its own sake?

Hick educates Strom's Daughter
you said:

"What happened November 7th?"

Frustration with the Iraq war was the biggest issue combined with a historically true trend of two term presidents to lose seats in both houses in the sixth year.

Where exactly are you making the leap in logic that November 7th results had anything at all to do with racism?




Let it go SomeGuy
You said:
"...It's too bad we still discuss these issues in terms of race as the libs make us do...."


Who exactly is making you discuss these issues. The politicians who do this know what the likely reaction from the far right will be if they do and you fall for it hook, line and sinker e.v.e.r.y s.i.n.g.l.e time.

When you stop falling for the bait and making such a big deal about it, I would bet that there may be more black citizens who took a closer look at the policies and positions of the Republican party. Not necessarily switch parties but at least give the Republican positions more credence.

Apology to SomeGuy
Sorry should have been addressed to Grubby.
Apologies

Moderate Hick
I can see you apologizing to Someguy because mine is the more powerful argument. You illustrate the point ridiculously well. You think you address the argument my focusing in on one particular sentence.

I realize how emotionally comforting the lib theology is. But I wonder how libs deal with their conscience given all the contradictions they have to deal with.

Grubby writes:
"The republicans have shared power hugely in favor of blacks in comparison to the support they get."

I love the (unintentional) irony of that.

In other words, as long as black politicians don't support anything that might actually benefit blacks, they can have all the power in the republican party they want. This somehow proves that the repubs actually support african-american politics, and the repubs 102% disapproval rating by blacks is in fact not real or deserved.


GreedFearHate
Wake up.

Your bigotry is blinding you to the truth. You excreted this thing onto the forum:

"But I will not be a Republican, because so many of them are driven by greed, fear, and hate. If you can not see this you are truly delusional."

Um, excuse me, but the liberal Democrat establishment survives on the politics of envy fear and hate. They pit blacks against whites, women against men, poor against rich, young against old 30 years ago and finally old against young today.

They manufacture victims to "save."

Get over yourself. No one is oppressing anyone today but themselves.

Oh, and the intellectually bankrupt denial that the MSM is liberal is a LIE. That's right. The stupidity of puting scare quotes around "liberal media" is a sign around your neck.

Consider yourself oppressed.

You're excused.

Grubby's selective reading
Obviously you didn't take the time to digest it and have no desire to do so. Congrats your approach will continue to ensure a 85% tilt to Democrats in the black voter rolls. Republicans don't deserve to get more than that if they can't let go of their bitterness on being owned on tactics by white democrats.

My advice for you - stay angry and deal.

Lets be Friends
Hi Ray,

I do not see myself as oppress. I’m a 28 year old black business owner that makes over $200,000 a year. America has been great to me. I love this country with all my heart. I just think people with authoritarian tendencies will cause the down fall of this great nation. Because everything they believe in can be link back to Greed, Fear or Hate.

Joe Biden's Botched comment
Joe Biden really needs to be more niggardly when commenting about his fellow senators...

Lott and Dodd
There is no better demonstration about the double standard than the difference in treatment of Senator Lott and Senator Dodd.

Republican Senator Trent Lott praising former segregationist Republican Senator Strom Thurman for his years of service upon his retirement said:

"When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We’re proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn’t have had all these problems over the years, either"


Democrat Senator Christopher Dodd praising former Ku Klux Klan Exalted Cyclops Democrat Senator Robert Byrd in recognition of his 17,000 vote in the senate said:

“You would have been a great senator at any moment,” Dodd said to Byrd. “You would have been right at the founding of this country, right during the Civil War.”

Lott’s comments toward Thurmond were attacked by virtually everyone on the left, in the main-stream media, and by many on the right. These comments were at least comparable to the remarks made by Dodd, and it cost Lott his position in the senate and left a mark on his reputation that will likely be there for years to come.

Where were the Democratic Party, the media and everyone else who came out in full force against Lott when Dodd made his remarks about Byrd?

To this day, Dodd’s job remains secure, and his reputation intact, because of the double standard that continues to engulf the left, in general, and the Democrat Party and main-stream media, in particular.

Virtually no politicians spoke out to denounce the praise that Dodd lavished on Byrd.

No big news stories broke out about these “controversial” actions (believe me, it took me over an hour of googling to find just a few references to the issue, and none in the main-stream press).

The story went largely unnoticed by the majority of the people in this country, despite the striking similarities between Dodd’s and Lott’s comments. Mort Kondracke was one of a select few journalists who mentioned the incident at all.

The disparity in the reactions to the statements Dodd and Lott made indicate that the democrats and the media are willing to overlook one and blast the other when it suits them.

Still no takers
Still waiting on a liberal poster to say that if the comments came out of a politician with (R) after his/her name, he would be treated the same as Biden if they made the exact same comment.

Can it be said?

Talking about the standard
Can any liberal person here, when they have answered if a conservative would be given the same treatment as Mr. Biden, then proceed to explain exactly what the standard is that politicians should be held to when making racial comments? I ask this sincerely, to get your view point.

It is an important question.

Bushwacker
"In other words, as long as black politicians don't support anything that might actually benefit blacks, they can have all the power in the republican party they want. This somehow proves that the repubs actually support african-american politics, and the repubs 102% disapproval rating by blacks is in fact not real or deserved."

This is not only a ridiculously inaccurate interpretation of my comments, it also reinforces the perception that libs have a condescending and racist attitude toward blacks. I would never claim that conservatives support 'african-american' politics, or any other 'race based' policies that liberals invented, with due regard to Nazism's race based policies and laws.

On the contrary, we support policies that promote all CITIZENS, regardless of race. The all too familiar condescending lib notion that blacks can't make without libs is reasonably characterized as racist.

Sharing power has to with appointing people to positions of authority - republicans tend to do it on the basis of merit (Thomas, Rice, Powell, etc - all highly qualified people who happen to be black.) while dems create agit-props (Black caucus, a committee appt., etc.)

Someday, the numbers of minority types who see the self delusional fraud in supporting the 'FDR coalition' will, at last, break the appeal to racism that dems have banked on for so long.

And, try arguing from a point of something more than high school indoctrination, and media disinformation. First off, there is no such thing as 110% effort or 102% disapproval. And rather than 'approval', try using the word support - they don't have to necessarily like you to vote for you - or agree totally with a polling question to select it. And as to stats, having some letters in the field, I wouldn't believe anything produced by libs.

Moderate Hick
I've read you before - what you write isn't worth commenting on. Why? It's strickly emotional, meant to appeal to the ignorant, logic challenged and perhaps children. It's obvious that you've gotten most of your education via television - you express yourself in sound bites, and feel good about yourself when you can claim moral superiority with a condescending comment. Too bad for you that this is one media where that sort of appeal is of little value.

A tempest in a teapot
Hasn't anyone heard of a "dirty" politician? Perhaps Biden meant to say Obama was a "clean" politician, has anyone considered that? Surely the concept isn't beyond reason. This is so Quixotic on the part of the outraged as to defy rationality. Think for yourself and stop running with the herd for a moment. There's nothing here! Unbelievable that we could all be so intellectually stampeded.

New article up at the Heartland Blog, just click my name and you're there.

Oh Please!!!!!!!
I hadn't heard the term dirty african american politician before...... but hey if Biden has heard it then his comment is totally understandable...... oh please! I have seen more corrupt "dirty" conservative politicians then any other.....Let's not bury our heads in our ****'s and call it for what it was. Total disrepect for a black politician and about as racist a comment you can make without actually calling him a dirty N....!

Huh?
So Biden should be buried for calling Obama articulate, but there Lott should not have been buried for suggesting that had the segregationist party won in '48 things would have been much better? And this is meant to illustrate that Democrats have a doubel standard?

Interestingly Bush also described Obama as articulate around the same time. Yet oddly Gallagher does not call for him to be buried, or attack him as a racist. For that matter I haven't seen any democrat attack Bush as racist for that remark either. Instead the focus has been on Biden't remark. Which side is supposed to have the double standard again?

Lon, No one's saying the articulate part
was bad. Rather, it was the comparison to other black candidates.

So what?
Focusing on a sloppy and ill thought response should hardly merit the weight our roving sound bite media selectively gives to it. The voting record should be what we look at. Let us see how Biden or O'bama votes? are they for more government? more taxes? more regulations and intrusions by the federal government? These are the issues of weight, not an off hand comment during a bowl of soup.

Making a man an offender for a word, what a shallow approach to understanding the candidates!

At least he was candid enough to take off the velvet gloves of tapioca speech.
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