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Monday, December 22, 2008
Mike Adams :: Townhall.com Columnist
Primary and Secondary Racism
by Mike Adams
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Ann Coulter was right when she said the essence of being a liberal is having one set of rules for oneself and an entirely different set of rules for other people. Similarly, it could be asserted that the essence of liberal arts education is developing one set of theories that apply only to other people. Few better examples can be found than in the case of labeling theory, which derives from the pseudo-science of sociology.

Frank Tannenbaum had a number of valid points when, in the 1930s, he established some basic premises of labeling theory. He argued that, as a juvenile, everyone engages in some form of delinquent behavior. And he correctly pointed out that not everyone who engages in delinquency is caught and, therefore, labeled “delinquent.”

Tannenbaum was also correct in saying that parents, teachers, and peers sometimes over-react to juveniles caught in an act of delinquency. He was again on firm ground in asserting that these occasional over-reactions could actually produce more delinquency.

Surely, those who are labeled delinquent are less likely to be invited to associate with those who haven’t. And ostracism from conformists can lead to delinquent associations where the strengthening of deviant tendencies can occur.

Writing just a few years after Tannenbaum, Edwin Lemert did a lot to shape labeling theory into its present form. It is a form popular with progressives everywhere.

Lemert argued that people can engage in delinquency for any number of biological, sociological, or psychological reasons. Delinquency produced by any of these broad (categories of) factors is called “primary deviance.” But Lemert’s real contribution to various progressive causes (and socialist policies) flows from his explanation of a form of delinquency known as “secondary deviance.”

Lemert believed that if an individual was caught in an act of primary deviance, he was likely to be placed under greater subsequent scrutiny by parents, teachers, and various agents of social control. This, of course, meant the child was more likely to be caught engaging in delinquency again. Adopting Lemert’s premises, it is easy to understand how a vicious cycle could develop.

At some point, of course, the child might internalize the notion that he is a “deviant,” a “delinquent,” or just generally “bad.” This could lead to higher rates of delinquency. When it does, according to Lemert, “secondary deviance” has occurred. Many of us have come to dub this process, perhaps somewhat simplistically, as the “self-fulfilling prophecy.”

Notions such as “secondary deviance” and “self-fulfilling prophecy” have done much to undermine the integrity of public education in this country. If you learned to read in first grade in the 1970s, you remember the “yellowbirds,” “redbirds,” and “bluebirds” reading groups. Labeling theorists thought it would be better to call a child a “yellowbird” than to call him “slow.”

(Author’s Note: I was a “yellowbird” in first grade and we all knew we were slow. We just contented ourselves with beating up the “bluebirds” during recess. Fortunately, due to the kindness of my favorite teacher Elsie Stephenson, I eventually became a “redbird.”).

Regrettably, all of this emphasis on self-esteem and negative labeling has resulted in many schools doing away with letter grades altogether. And when the kids play games at recess they are often forbidden from keeping score. They don’t want anyone to suffer the emotional trauma that results from being labeled a “loser” – even if for a day.

Liberal progressives have spent years taking a theory from sociology and applying it increasingly to the field of education. These progressives have shown a clear interest in the question of whether negative labels (e.g., “criminal,” “dumb”) are more frequently applied to blacks and other historically victimized groups.

But, curiously, one area of research remains unexplored: What impact does labeling someone a “racist” have on his self-image – and his propensity for future acts of racism?

Frank Tannenbaum, if he were alive today, might argue that everyone engages in some form of racist behavior. And he might point out that not everyone who engages in racism is caught and labeled “racist.”

Tannenbaum might also say that parents, teachers, and peers sometimes over-react to juveniles caught in an act of racial insensitivity. He would be on firm ground in asserting that these occasional over-reactions could actually produce more racial insensitivity.

Surely, those who are labeled “racist” are less likely to be invited to associate with those who haven’t. And ostracism from non-racists can lead to racist associations where the strengthening of racist tendencies can occur.

Lemert might agree that people can engage in racism for any number of biological, sociological, or psychological reasons. Racism produced by any of these broad (categories of) factors could be called “primary racism.”

Lemert might also agree that if an individual is caught in an act of primary racism, he is likely to be placed under greater subsequent scrutiny by parents, teachers, and various agents of social control. This, of course, means the child is more likely to be caught engaging in racial insensitivity again. Adopting Lemert’s premises, it is easy to understand how a vicious cycle could develop.

At some point, of course, the child might internalize the notion that he is a “racist” or just generally “bigoted.” This could lead to higher rates of bigotry. When it does, one might say that “secondary racism” has occurred. Many of us might call this a “self-fulfilling prophecy.”

We all know that liberals often manufacture cases of racism in order to keep liberalism alive. But we need more research in the pseudo-science of sociology in order to determine how reckless accusations of racism are actually creating more real racism in America. The research can be used to test whether liberals really believe in labeling theory and whether they are willing to apply it to their own conduct.

If liberals really do believe in labeling theory, they should reconsider their own careless accusations of racism. If not, they should fess up, assign grades, and let children keep score during recess.

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Mike Adams is a criminology professor at the University of North Carolina Wilmington and author of Feminists Say the Darndest Things: A Politically Incorrect Professor Confronts "Womyn" On Campus.
 
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Could I be first???
Hmmm. Haven't read the column yet, but I've never logged in when no comments had yet been posted. I suspect that I will approve, once again ... bnut we'll see...

Great Irony!
What great irony! Love it!

Wow Michael!
Here are your sentences: "At some point, of course, the child might internalize the notion that he is a “deviant,” a “delinquent,” or just generally “bad.” This could lead to higher rates of delinquency."

I have always thought that one of the msjor flaws in christian theory and teaching is the freak notion that one is born "in sin", always "sinful", forever a "sinner" (always born in the shadow of Eve's "original sin"). I'd argue that this has an ultimately damaging effect (sonetimes large, sometimes small) on the individual human psyche.

Christianity is not a life-affirming philosophy, possibly more harmful than good. Time to jettison the idea that people are "born into sin".

Great (racist)column!
Of course you realize that, being uniquely evil and pernicious, (white)racism is much more deviant than juvenile delinquency and therefore, those(whites) who practice it must be held in lower esteem than all other(non-victim class persons) who engage in other(than white racist) behavior.

Nice try (at penetrating the liberal blockheads) professor.

Not keeping score
Competitiveness is part of our nature. it's what makes us grow. Of course, some people take it to the extreme, but if we do not compete, we do not improve.

Many years ago, my son was about 7 and playing basketball for the recreational league (he played Tackle). We were forbidden to keep score. As the parent who tracked the kids going in and out, I kept score for my own amusement. Pretty soon the kids figured this out, and kids from both sides came over and wanted to know what the score was. I begame the unofficial score-keeper. Like grades, the score lets us know how we are doing and whether other people are doing better. if we don't know how we are going, we, again, have no opportunity to improve.


Will Will Will
your comment,
I have always thought that one of the major flaws in christian theory and teaching is the freak notion that one is born "in sin", always "sinful", forever a "sinner" (always born in the shadow of Eve's "original sin"). I'd argue that this has an ultimately damaging effect (sonetimes large, sometimes small) on the individual human psyche.

Christianity is not a life-affirming philosophy, possibly more harmful than good. Time to jettison the idea that people are "born into sin".

Aren't you glad to be born in a country where all can speak their mind! What a great county we live in!

Anyway, time to jettison the idea that people are born into sin is the craziest thing i ever heard! If you are a practicing christian who believes in The Father, Son, and The Holy Spirit, then you know who died for our sins. Furthermore, those who have a problem with christian theory, and the issue of being born into sin, usually are people who don't want to be told they are doing something wrong that is morally corrupt, and void of a value system that this country was founded upon.
So once you jettison the idea that we are born into sin, you are saying there is no sin in humans, and all you do is right.
That deserves a big WOW!
The point of Mike's article was that progressives are ruining the future generations of adults, and if left unchallenged, they will grow into adults with no competitive drive to succeed in anything since they accomplishments were frowned upon in their young years.
So we are not to worry while progressives try and build a utophia that only exists in their imagination with no sin, no rules...etc
I read this story, and know how it all ends...google Roman Empire and notice how it is similar to a story told in the bible many years ago..

Am I a racist if I dislike seeing a
group of Arab young men dressed in military garb congregating in public? Am I racist for singing a popular rap song that repeatedly uses the n word?

On a side note, while having a conversation with a Brit, he couldn't understand our country's fixation with gun ownership. Our conversation ended when I asked him how could 10 men wreck the havoc in a city of 13+million (Bombay) and could that happen in Las Vegas? I'd like to think he could open up his mind, but like the global warming clowns, facts have nothing to do with his righteous beliefs.

Racism is a learned response.

Many Whites harbor racist views because of observations and experience with Blacks.

Many Blacks harbor racist views because of their observations and experiences with Whites.

If these views are based on sound observations and past experience, then there is nothing any Federal program or law can do to avoid racism.

Being a Racist does not mean you are a bad person. Particularly if its based on past experience and observations.

WOW Cordo!!!
Your son played tackle for his basketball team!

I would have loved to see one of those games!

Stunned
Quote: "On a side note, while having a conversation with a Brit, he couldn't understand our country's fixation with gun ownership. Our conversation ended when I asked him how could 10 men wreck the havoc in a city of 13+million (Bombay) and could that happen in Las Vegas?"

Im a Brit, let me answer you.

Firstly we are clever enough to understand that; HAVING a gun means you can shoot and kill people and NOT having a gun means you can't. Understand that?

Ok lets move on. NOT having a gun and not getting a hard on as a country for guns and outlawing them..means that NO ONE has guns.

So the boogie man with the gun, that you need a gun to defend yourself with doesnt exist. THAT is a concept people like you just dont get.

Could what happened in India, happen in Las Vegas. Of course it damn well could. You have guns, anyone can take a gun into a hotel in your country and blow anyone away. how many are in circulation?

Your argument I suspect is that because everyone else has guns, then it would deter. But it doesnt. All that would happen is a bigger bloodbath.

Still comprehending? Lets move on.

Yes it could very easily happen in Las Vegas, and indeed happes regularly in the US, even in your schools. so much for you concept of no gun control = no people getting shot (which of course is idiocy anyway).

Could it happen in London or Cardiff or Manchster UK. Well anything could happen, but its very unlikely. WE DONT ALLOW GUNS..FOR ANYONE. Got that?

No mass killings in public places, not school massacres, that my friend is an american phenomena.

Now do YOU understand why mass gun ownership is not a think we want over here. In fact Im amazed that an alledged christian country can get so sexed up at the though of owning weapons. Total hypocrisy.

Idopas Idiot
Ya must really LIKE your status of being a "potted plant" in a greenhouse tended by ur guvvamint. Have at it, Limey!!

Idapass...
...it has been our expierience that when guns are outlawed,only outlaws will have guns.Why don't you disarm your law enforcement officers(you know,police)?

And by the way,it would be a good idea if we outlawed nuke weapons in the world...oh...wait...

Idopas, I'm impressed!
but let's revisit a few of your points.
If you had a magic wand and could "poof" all the guns away, then you would have a valid point. But of course, that's ridiculous. Guns are already here in our world (3 of my Brit's friends own guns ... in Britain!) and when you outlaw guns, only the outlaws will have guns. The shootings in Schools (VA Tech comes to mind) are so heinous because Va tech was a "gun free zone". Had the students been allowed to carry weapons, many lives would have been spared. The same is true in Bombay (theoretically).
Is it really hypocrisy to believe that strength in arms is a Christian directive? That when evil appears, it's our duty to be the victor?

Jim
It helps if you write your posts in english. Im not sure what language that was; probably fluent moron.

Also if your level of argument to the point I put, is to just call someoen an idiot with no counter arguments, I would suggest that you debate in a playground and have nurse give you your potty when needed.

Ive no problem with people countering my post with their viewpoint, in fact that is great debate. But you...are not worth it.

People having guns shoot people, people not having guns cant shoot people. That is the real easy fact. Lets hear your counter argument to that obvious analogy as to why having guns DOESNT get people shot.

ldopas (voice from the UK)
"WE DONT ALLOW GUNS..FOR ANYONE. Got that?"
Idopas, please let this advice sink in: Sometimes it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth (or blog) and remove all doubt.

Maybe you should research ridiculous statements before you post. Gun violence in the UK is up a whopping 35% while in the U.S. it has gone down. Read your own papers...


news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2640817.stm

Loggy

Nam65-66
Firstly, you show the shallowness of your argument by insulting me when I didnt do that.

Secondly bringing nukes into it is irrelevent. But a tactic if you are struggling to make a case, ie pull anything in you can.

Thirdly. Of course some criminals get guns. But as it is against the law, there are few guns in our country. Look at the statistics, dont just read my posts.

The fact that one or two criminals do have guns is NOT a reason to flood our country with guns.

The police have guns, which incidentally they dont carry on patrol, but only in very very rare cases need. It to combat the rare occasion when a criminal does have a gun.

Its real easy; lost of guns = lots of shooting., no or few guns = no or ver few shootings.

Why is logic so hard for you.

Oh I understans that you americans equte guns with your original rights to bear arms....but you cant go back now, you have a gun culture.

thank god we dont. Its safer here.

Mind you your name if accurate would indicate to me a Vietnam Vet, so if so you arent going to agree with me are you. Anywone who thinks napalming poor villages full of kids and women is fair game, has a gun mentality already.

ldopas (voice from the UK)
Idopas,

Lecturing Jim on the English language after your first post is the definition of hypocracy.

LMAO.

Loggy

Guns and keeping score....
Tackle on a basketball team? Do you have a gun? But I like the idea of keeping score on the sly.....must have really messed up the score Teacher was keeping for her/his next Sociology lecture.

Getting back on track
Now that Idopas has been found intellectually wanting maybe we should get back to the subject of Mike's article. What say we ignore him, as a screeching liberal it will drive him crazy and he will have to pedal his erroneous theory at huffpost or dailykos.

Respectfully,

Loggy

El dopo
Of course, having showily prohibited firearms and criminalized the basic concept of self-defense, the U.K. is free of violent crime and terrorism, right? The figures suggest otherwise, as do my relatives over there. (They zip around New York and Boston without a care, but avoid London -- and even Ipswich on a Saturday night -- because they're too dangerous.)

England founded this country and nearly ruled the world. Now its population comprises a fair number of thugs and a great lot of slugs who can't or won't resist obvious evil. Between rapacious imperialism and utter helplessness there must be a happy medium. I hope that the U.K. stumbles upon it someday.

AdLoggy
Im intellectually wanting you say?

Apart from your original assertion, not ONE poster, including you, has posted any cogent contra arguments.

All people have done is insult me.

Either you cant take the facts, or you dont have a strong argument.

How about one of you learned folks actually answering the points I made. Or are they all correct, so you cant and just resort ot childish insults.

So if Im intellectually wanting, with the poremise that having a gun can kill and not having a gun cannot, tell me why. No one has yet.

IDOPAS the challenged
Your first atatement is correct. Actually intellectually wnting is a bit of a stretch. Intellectually challenged would be much better.

Weapons are a deterrent. Period. They deter predators, both criminal and governmental. Without weapons a country is nothing more than a nation of bleating sheep.

That would be you, old chap. Sorry to soil your crumpets mate, but you brits have certainly hoisted yourselves by your own petard with your weapons laws.

ldopas (voice from the UK)
"All people have done is insult me."

You started off in an insulting vein ("Firstly WE are clever enough to understand. . . .[emphasis mine]") and you've grown more provocative as the conversation has evolved ("Only a complete fool would argue. . . ."). So stop whining about your reception.

By the way, many of your points fail the snicker test. For example, "having a gun means people will get shot, not having a gun meants people wont." As studies in this country have shown, allowing noncriminals to carry concealed firearms does indeed decrease the likelihood of shooting. Lacking a firearm increases the likelihood of being shot by an armed criminal. And the complete absence of firearms increases the likelihood that someone will be beaten or stabbed. These are important issues unless you're concerned exclusively with stamping out shootings by normally peaceable folk in defense of their persons and property.

No matter. I must go be productive to support the Nanny State.

Merry Christmas to all.


ldopas?
Without getting into a pointless debate wtih ldopas, I would simply ask him/her for what purpose are you even reaging articles on Townhall.com? Do you like reading opinions with which you share no common ground? Clearly, from your grammar locution, your intent is not to engage in any meaningful discussion. Are you perhaps merely engaging in non-intellectual recreation?

I love it when...
better-than-thou's castigate others for their "poor" English grammar...and their OWN posts are rife with repeated [not just one-time] errors. LOL I give you that paragon of proper English usage -- wait for it -- the notorious "voice from the UK" -- ta-da -- the one, the only, "Idopas".

This dolt accuses other of improper usage when he is unable to conceive of the purpose of an apostrophe and its true meaning. LOL He [generic] misspells words repeatedly; misuses commas; etc ad nauseum.

I suspect English is not his primary language. Either that or he has had an atrocious education -- probably at one of those veddy [sic] English schools...or maybe at a UK Muslim one taught by the "mullas".


By the way
I didn't pick Ipswich at random. My kin live nearby. And I've been more places, mostly in uniform, that you're likely to find in an atlas without help. But you're so secure in your conviction of superiority to us Colonial troglodytes that such a thing never occurred to you. Blabber on, morosoph. If I had more time, I wouldn't waste it on further interaction with you.

Idopas, answer me this....
Can you see how 10 Islamic Terrorist could wreck the devastation in the Mumbai attack? 10 people armed to the teeth and ready to die for Allah, against 18.8 million unarmed, "lets trust our police (who don't carry weapons) to protect us", people? How many lives would have been saved if a small percentage of Mumbai inhabitants had been armed?
The population of Israel carry guns openly all the time. Are they being hypocritical, or just cognizant of their world?

To all
Honestly, the level of debate is pathetic here.

Yes weapons can be a deterrent. but are an irrlevence if the other side DOESNT HAVE THEM.

For example if you think you are deterring Iceland from attacking you because you have nukes, you arent, its irrelevent.

True if Russia has nukes, we need nukes thats true.

But in our country we dont have guns, and even the few in circulation are not a justification for making our society a gun society. so we dont need guns for a deterrent to a threat that doesnt exists.

You just aint getting it. You are too late in th US, but dont try and logicalise your gun problem into our problem because we dont have them.

But I understand where you are coming from. The US is and has been for a while, a very scared country. Unlike most other countries. Ive been there many times lately and from the airport to the cities you are terrified of unseen enemies and god know what. Sacred witless.

So insult my country all you like. We dont have guns. We dont get hardons for guns. And we are not a scared people.

But I see Im wasting my time. Lets face it, anyone who can call a stance for not having guns and not wanting a gun culture - anti-intellectual, is deluding themselves in the first place.

Anywaont with half a brain would want a culture with no guns, yet you are rabidly attacking me for saying that.

So go ahead, insult my country, me, be rude. I know and so do you, you got no real argument.

Or, to use language you would understand in gun terms, you would have blown my logic away with it already.

Stunned
We'll you are talking about India. (And thanks for asking a straight question with no insults I appreciate that, seriously).

But you assertion was about the UK. Ie you said you were trying to convince a Brit in an earlier post. Im only talking about the UK.

If everyone had had guns in India, then I qould answer that it would have been a street war with many more dead.

Also the terrorist, who lets face it would never see armed society as a deterrent and you know that, would have brought more people and/or been armed with higher spec weapons.

The India even is very unlikely to happen in the UK anway. And certainly its not enough for us to repeal our very very precious none gun society.

Let me ask you this. And be serious. If you could set the clock back to the early US days. And guns could be taken out of society. so there were very very few, would you still want to flood your society with guns? I think if you were honest, you would not.

Lighten Up.
Hey, I agree with idiopass.

I have a gun. Just the other day I caught it smirking as it was loading itself with bullets.

I was just stunned. I have been around guns all my life (some 65 + years), and had never seen this before.

I do not know what it had in mind, but I grabbed the wife and we both ran from the house. Never to return.

I read later, from another State, that my house attacked and destroyed 17 'crack houses' and 114 meth labs before being brought down by the authorities.

It seems that the authorities were making money off those druggies, that my house and its 'evil gun controlled cabal'.

Oh, by the way, my former gun still had all 32 of its teeth.


Ya larn sumpin new ever day.



Idopas...
...it has also been my observation that people die in automobile accidents.So if we ban automobiles no one will die in an automobile accident!GOOD IDEA!

And by the way,Idopas,"Why can't the English teach their children how to...SPELL?"Norwegians learn Norwegian,the Greeks are taught their Greek.In France every child knows his language from 'A' to 'Zed'(the French don't care what they do,actually,as long as they pronounce it properly".

Idopas...
...It was the gun that gave us our Independence,not ideology.So I wouldn't go there if I were you!

Tannenbaum & Lemert
I love the way you turned the liberal argument around and used it against them. Double standards are the norm on the left.
Merry Christmas to you!
John in MA

Criminology in a similar boat . . .
I agree in large part with Adams that sociology is a pseudo science, but mostly because of HOW it is practiced and twisted today -- not due to anything inherent in the field itself (von Mises, e.g., might be considered a sociologist). Similarly, I believe that criminology is full of nonsense. My solution was to get out of academia so that I would not need to be associated with those idiots. I would recommend that Adams consider a similar path towards honest labor. Stop taking tax money for having 3 months off in the summer and find some real job "working for the man." There you go, sport. Walk the walk.

The first time idiotpass
The first time idiotpass gets mugged and beat by some ROP thugs he may wish he were in the "scared witless" country where he may still defend himself.

ldopas
When one of your peaceful Muslums wants to cut your head of with his knife wouldn't you want a gun to stop him? After all your country is being taken over by Muslims. Its only a matter of time before you Brits live under sharia law. One of your wigs just recently suggested your country adapt sharia law.

Guns

Since the thread (racism) has already been hijacked, I can't do it much more harm.

Here's why the 2nd Amendment works: where I live we have almost no crime, even though police response time is twenty minutes. Everybody has, or is assumed to have, a gun handy and the ability to operate it. As a result, a high degree of mutual respect exists when it comes to another person's property, dignity and privacy. As a further result of this, we never have to use our guns except to take them to a shooting range every now and then to ensure that should we ever need them to protect ourselves from a mortal threat, they will work as designed.

We are happy with that and no one has been shot around here for the past one hundred years that I know of.

Secondary Confusion
Those silly Brits..........rather amusing, in a secondary sort of way, what?

Idopas does like to get ...
a "hardon" and get's his knicker's in a twist when people respond in kind to his pompous and boorish insults. As Paleocon pointed out, your tone from the outset has been arrogant and mean spirited. You immediately portrayed yourself, and your country, as superior to us knuckle-dragging-gun-toting buffoons.

I'd love to get on my high-horse and give you a good smack down, but in truth, I feel sorry for you. You deserve pity not enmity. Your head is buggered so far you probably haven't seen daylight in years.

But then, Idopas, you stated this:

"But in our country we dont have guns, and even the few in circulation are not a justification for making our society a gun society. so we dont need guns for a deterrent to a threat that doesnt exists."

I hope and pray that (yes I am one those who believes in the "myth" of Christianity) you or ones you love are never confronted with a situation where having a weapon would have saved your life. You can theorize all you want. That is, after all, the point of this article: theory vs real life. I will continue to live in the real world and hope that we can protect those of you who refuse to grow up.

And from my country to yours, your welcome for not having to speak German.

Tod Kozeluh
Lexington, KY

Gun Owership
As a 53 year old women that sometimes works at night. I have a 9mm in my car and and a 32 in my purse along with my concealed weapons permit (I know how to use both). I have been ask "What are expecting to be mugged?" My reply is the same, No, I not expecting a house fire either, but I keep fire extinguishers loaded and ready, just in case. The bad guys or as they are called in England (Yobs), don't give a flying fig about the gun laws (same here in the US). What ldopas (voice from the UK) neglected to say was the crime rate in the UK has sky rocketed with gun and knife attacks, but unlike the folks in the US, people in the UK are in fact arrested if they try to defend themselves (even with a piece of wood). Gun laws DO NOT keep guns from criminals, only from law abiding citizens. Any Government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have - Thomas Jefferson

Idopas
Were guns outlawed in Northern Ireland and Belfast also?


Idopas
is still smarting over the events of April 19, 1775 when the redcoats marched out of Boston and into Concord to take our guns. We all know what happened and we will never forget either.

Time Magazine Declares Obama a Bigot

"...Obama has proved himself repeatedly to be a very tolerant, very rational-sounding sort of bigot.

He is far too careful and measured a man to say anything about body parts fitting together or marriage being reserved for the nonpedophilic, but all the same, he opposes equality for gay people when it comes to the basic recognition of their relationships..."

Time Magazine
By John Cloud Thursday, Dec. 18, 200

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1867664,00 .html

Watched pots more likely to boil
"Lemert believed that if an individual was caught in an act of primary deviance, he was likely to be placed under greater subsequent scrutiny by parents, teachers, and various agents of social control. This, of course, meant the child was more likely to be caught engaging in delinquency again."

The same applies to our justice system -- check out local court proceedings, and you'll find most cases involve not new crimes, but instead some arcane parole violation. And consider the number of past "sex offenders" busted not for raping anyone lately, but rather just for failing to register as a sex offender.

My Apologies To Our British Guest
Please forgive my obnoxious (and rather simple) countrymen for their ignorance. You sir are very correct! Obviously, if we could only outlaw guns in the US, our crime and murder rate would plummet drastically.

Unfortunately, we have had little success in making Americans understand this small, but significant reality. However, we have made some progress, such as in our legendary capitol city of Washington D.C. As a matter of fact, Washington D.C. has literally thousands of gun laws on the books...in fact my brother, you would find it much more difficult to legally obtain a gun there than even in your own homeland!

It is my dream that one day Americans will wake up and realize what you and some of our politicians have already learned...and then maybe, just maybe, we could recreate our entire country to mirror Washington D.C.

You should just ignore these cavemen (most are probably closeted homosexuals living in self-denial). You’re ideology and beliefs have already been proven correct - Washington D.C. is overwhelming evidence. These anti-gun laws have produced a virtual Utopia of peace and safety in our own backyard.

If you haven’t had the opportunity to visit this American Eden, I strongly encourage you to take a trip on over. Feel free to wander the streets of serenity and engage with the local residents...remember, guns are illegal, so your safety is assured!

UK
The UK is so safe the government is about to ban knives, also!

Will
It's good to see that you're OK. You were absent from a couple of Adams columns and I was worried you'd been in an accident or someting. I urged the other Townhall posters to pray for you. We will continue to pray for you because Christianity is all about love, not hate. If you were to actually read Christ's words, perhaps you would better understand that. God bless you, and Merry Christmas!

To Will:
Um, if you're going to rant against Christianity you need to get a couple of things right first. One, it is not "Eve's original sin" it is Adam's. Two, the fact that man was born to sin is life affirming. God, who is perfect and cannot abide sin, chose to redeem mankind by sending his Son to die in our stead. He could've wiped us out and started over but instead He chose life.

ldopas
Without guns, how do you deter a 22 year old, 6 foot 5 inch, 235 pound thug who comes into your home uninvited and wants to have his way with your wife while you watch?

Doug:
In England you do nothing. If you defend yourself, and injure the thug, you ARE charged with felony assault.

How to have a Polite Society

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." --Robert A. Heinlein, "Beyond This Horizon," 1942

Idopas and the looney left,
...two enigmatic forces of egomaniacal brain sickness that will never lack for a vigorous stroking by the inpatients here at Townhall.

Thanks for creating another prolific profligator of propagandistic pap. (This must be how Moses felt. "These people are hopeless. What's that God? Lead them around the desert for a generation until they all die and new ones w/ brains can be raised up? Okay, but this is gonna be a loooong 40 years...")

2spothipshot
ROFLMAO!

Idopas
You really don't get it do you?

We have a 2nd Amendment to protect ourselves from a despotic GOVERNMENT. Self-protection is a mere side-benefit.

Idopas
England has been ruled, largely by tyrants, since it's beginning. Tyrants alway want their subjects to be unarmed so they can remain in power. Being unarmed has been bred into you for over a thousand years until it becomes your natural way of thinking. See how easy that was to explain?

Let us depart from and deviate to
a subject that has nothing to do with the article. But hey, that is the "progressive way of life". Never calling attention to its true underpinnings of control by confusion, by creating a "theory of fact"????. Participation in any forum (even the soci-illogical) never relies on truth or fact, only the progressive idea of flooding the conversation with intended, garbled, thoughts that create a sure as truth sounding idea.
Therefore, if the intellegence quota is reduced to accept (without decernment and rational thought) the theory of one's incapacity to perform, in a society that allows competition for acheivment and advancement to be its enemy; only then will esteeming to be less than progressive be considereed functionally correct.

Tolerance of the sublime then is followed up with ignorance of the facts, and an acceptance of the theory. Rational thought and experience be damned!!!!
By massaging the glutimous maximious, the electrons in the nervious system then stimulate the cerebrial cortex to an understanding of behavioural issues.Henceforth reduced deviant behaviour, and less progressive theory in society.

Iodopas:
Today Sherlock Holmes and Dr. John Watson would be felons, they both used guns when needed.

Icedog, spew alert! Maybe he could
visit Detroit, another Utopia of gun control!

Cost
Ya'll forget the costs associated with actions. If you are accused of being a racist. There is a small cost to you. If people come to believe you are a racist there is a much larger cost. But on the other hand there is then no cost for racist talk or actions.

It is like criminals. The cost of being a criminal is very great. So most people will go far out of their way to avoid the possibility of becoming a felon. But once a felon, you are freed of that restrant.

That is why once labeled as something people accept the label and offten become stronger whatever they are labeled.

Icedog:
You sir are a very understanding and kind person, I feel your invitation to our british guest to visit oue American Eden was one of extreme generosity; considering we try to keep it secret.
However he should also visit the Austrialian Eden; no ownership of guns allowed!!!!! Walk through this pritine part of the world with the feeling of utter security and saftey. Mingle with the locals at all times with all types of cultures, no guns to worry about.
I wish Him a Merry Christmas, and an "exciting" new Year.

Cornwallis got his butt KICKED,
simply put, A man with a gun is a citizen, a man without a gun is a subject. Subject to any evil that comes his way.

Hawkeye58 is exactly right in Texas, not different here in NC.

DRM I got a big chuckle from your observation of this red coat.

Aunt Billie in Ga you and many others in your state have the correct idea. For instance Kennasaw Ga has an ordinance that others should follow, extremely low crime rate. In NC we share a similar view, a armed society is a polite society.

Dr John Lott Phd has done extensive study relating to armed citizens. Proved facts in his book "More Guns - Less Crime" It is available in England by the way for those who would like to be informed and speak with some wisdom.

In the pursuit of "Life Liberty and Happiness" I will cling to my gun and Bible and read Numbers 35 over again while thinking about what the Koran 9.5 tells what I should be prepared for.

Merry Christmes all.

Dan's point
That is very true Dan, once you are a felon what greater punishment can there be? (Setting aside murder charges of course).

When someone has a constant in their life, it is so easy to build off it. Especially when they have nothing to lose.

Murder in London
You cannot walk through London without passing a plaque that says, "On this spot nn people were killed by a bomb dd/mm/yyyy." They don't use guns because they can kill more people with bombs in public places. These plaques are in every train station, every public square and in front of most tourist spots.

You don't need guns, the Brits have proven it time and time again.

Back to the Article
Racism and fear of being labled a racist...

When everything is looked at through the lens of 'is that a racist/bigoted remark?' then everything is suspect.

Mostly, it seems that the person that is the racist is most likely to identify others with the moniker...regardless of the spirit of it.

I think everybody is a little bit racist. I think it is human nature.

When racism devolves into hatred and viewing 'others' as unworthy of regard, or as a sub-human, it is a bad thing.

So maybe at its heart, racism is an inability to be empathetic to others..ie, unable to identify with them as fellow human beings.

One could then extrapolate that the worst racists are Terrorists, because they do not give their victims the benefit of being worthy of life or limb. Criminals fall into this category too, IMHO.

Isn't it amazing that our forefathers placed a fundamental belief in all men being equal in the eyes of our Creator into our Constitution?

Racism is a learned behavior. Calling someone a racist does not make that a fact.




Idopas sayz:
thank god we dont. Its safer here.

I find it funny that you believe in God, but not the inherent rights he bestowed upon us by his grace.
Am I reading you right?

Palin/Jindal in 2012!

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Peso George, Pardon Ramos and Compean before you leave office!!!

Barack 'Gun Rights' Obama

1998-1999
Obama votes against a bill that specifically allows homeowners the right to use a gun in self-defense during a home invasion. The Illinois Governor vetoes the bill; Obama votes to uphold the veto.

In 1999, Obama proposes increasing Illinois firearm and ammunition excise taxes by 500 percent. (For example, a $55 tax on a $500 rifle would increase to $330.) The tax would thus change from a fee to fund wildlife preservation programs into a gun-punishing penalty.

2002-2003
Obama votes to make a criminal out of a homeowner who used a gun in his own defense in his own home.

While a State Senator, Obama votes for a bill that would ban most hunting rifles, shotguns, and target rifles; the bill would also authorize the Illinois State Police to raid homes and forcibly confiscate banned guns.

Obama votes four times during his Illinois State Senate career against legislation that would allow a homeowner to use a firearm in defense of his home and family.

Obama votes, in 2003, for a bill that classifies most single-shot and double-barreled shotguns as “semi-automatic assault weapons” and bans them, along with hundreds of models of rifles and handguns. (Had the bill had passed, Illinois residents would have had 90 days to turn their guns in or face felony charges.)

2004
In 2004, Obama says he is "…consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry," and that he would back "federal legislation that would ban citizens from carrying weapons, except for law enforcement." [444]

In March, 2004, Obama votes to allow prosecution of citizens how use guns for self-defense in their own homes (SB 2165).

Obama proposes legislation prohibiting gun stores from operating within five miles of a school or a park; inasmuch as most communities have schools and parks scattered widely throughout their areas, the legislation would effectively ban gun stores.

Retired Geek
Al the things you mentioned are the reason gun and ammo sales have skyrocketed between election and inauguration.

Voice of the UK....
You must be one of the "progressives" there who believe that outlawing guns will mean that NO ONE has one.

Let's see now. How long have murder, rape, robbery, burglary and other felonies and misdemeanors been outlawed in the good ole UK (Utter Kooks when speaking of banning guns)? And, pray tell, how are you doing without those crimes? Oh, wait! There are still some criminals who will not obey the law, just as there are those who still have their “outlawed” guns.

Even you probably break the law. How about speeding, running traffic lights, sneaking another pint after closing time, or many of the other things you slide by with daily? You don't do any of those things? Sorry, you just blew any credibility you might otherwise have deserved.

I own 10 firearms, but I haven't shot at anyone in weeks and weeks. About 2,080 weeks to be fairly accurate--Viet Nam years. Not that I wouldn't if I had to, though. I know how to use every one of my guns and will instantly if I believe that my life, those of my loved ones or any other innocent citizen is threatened by a criminal. I have a concealed carry permit and know the other states that have reciprocal concealed carry privileges. And passing through those that don't doesn't bother me because I will not ever give law enforcement probable cause to stop me. (see http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USReciprocity.pdf) for states that have reciprocal concealed privileges.

It's Behavior!
Discrimination is genetically encoded and generally a good thing. If you can’t discriminate between a hungry saber-tooth tiger and a tasty deer then you won’t be around for long. Discrimination has survival value but it has to be used sensibly. I’m personally “color blind” when it comes to race but I’m very sensitive to known aberrant behavior as a red light of discrimination. If the behavior does not conform to conduct of good citizenship and the Ten Commandments then, yes, I will raise my walls of protection and maybe even actively take action against the obnoxious or dangerous behavior. I have been called racist for taking such action although in my opinion it was totally the “wrong label”.

jwr914 Gun Ownership
The Brits have a higher crime rate than countries where possession of guns is allowed. If you look at the stats from every country, city or state where gun ownership has been nixed, the stats for gun related crime did not go down but went up significantly. The same is true of places like Australia.

I am up to my ears with the stupidity around this issue. The first thing Hitler did was to disarm the Jews and then took his own sweet time annihilating them. DO YOU GET THE PICTURE.

Just remember that the power that you give to government can be turned on you. Do I want a bunch of BHO enthusiasts running my life? He!! no. Can you just see Barracuda Rahm Emanuel and the other like him at the helm? God forbid.

Well Mike,
Very good column. You've neatly turned the left-liberals' argument back on itself and left no wiggle room.

Yet, I think I have a better chance of getting an atheist to take up my challenge to treat this coming Thursday as just another day of the week than you have of getting them to grasp that you just slam dunked their agenda into the trash dumpster.

Especially when you realize that, isolated whackos aside, the only significant group of people in the US who think that race affects a person's ability to live his life as he chooses are the left-liberals themselves.

might as well be one
"...we need more research in the pseudo-science of sociology in order to determine how reckless accusations of racism are actually creating more real racism in America."

There is the case of the unjust accusation of the innocent. A white person, for example, who is not a racist but is considered one out of association (a bill of attainder, if you will) might say to himself, "Everybody says I'm a racist so I might as well be guilty."

Idopas has some great thoughts --
I love how many here just want to silence & shut him down because he presents a cogent alternative to american gun theory.

This country also equates gun ownership with the pen!s. Dirty Harry and all that. Don't mess with my pen!s man! The Brits have been able to (largely) remove guns from the hands of the criminals, and America can't seem to do that.

Of COURSE schools are much safer if England. Of COURSE you are much more likely to get shot in the U.S.

People don't want to admit that Michael Moore was right.

Will do you agree with Time Magazine?

Time Magazine Declares Obama a Bigot

"...Obama has proved himself repeatedly to be a very tolerant, very rational-sounding sort of bigot.

He is far too careful and measured a man to say anything about body parts fitting together or marriage being reserved for the nonpedophilic, but all the same, he opposes equality for gay people when it comes to the basic recognition of their relationships..."

Time Magazine
By John Cloud Thursday, Dec. 18, 2000

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1867664,00 .html

BTW,
I go to a small-town, southern, Baptist church -- the sort of place left-libs are certain is the very fount of racist evil.

It was not until I read this article a few minutes ago that I realized that, oh yeah, one of the visitors in the congregation yesterday was a black man. I had noticed his skin color, but only in the same way that I noticed how, in the family in front of us, one sister had given her medium-brown hair blonde streaks while the other sister had her medium-brown hair done with purplish-red henna streaks.

There was nothing whatsoever in anyone's treatment of that particular guest among us to distinguish him from any other Christmastime churchgoer. His hand was shaken, he was wished Merry Christmas, he was told that people were happy to see him.

I don't know if he was any relation to the 2 little multi-racial girls who come every week with the 50-something woman who might be their foster mother or might be their grandmother since I didn't see who he was sitting with.

In any case, to the great disappointment of the left-liberals, this gentleman was treated with simple, ordinary courtesy by this congregation of blue-collar rednecks. No one even anonymously keyed his car. Which is probably more than could be said had a church member taken his McCain/Palin, NRA, and Earnhardt-stickered, crew-cab pickup truck to a college and left it there while he attended a lecture.

to will
Why is it that liberals are always ready to give up the 2nd amendment to protect us from violent crime, but decry the Patriot Act as giving up the 4th amendment to protect us from terrorism? You think you're less dead if you get blown up rather than shot?

News From UK
Parliament has passed legislation outlawing all flies.

Now England will have no garbage. Flies cause garbage you know.

Next they will outlaw cardiologists and that will eliminate the cause of heart attacks.

The bad news is that I have heard several Veddy British accents in our local gun stores. It is quite obvious that English gun laws are exporting crime to America.

Faith and Begorrah! We've no choice but to send in Irish Policmen as replacements for those inept Peelers!


I am against gun control
I just want gun responsibility laws passed. You are absolutely responsible for all actions committed with your lawfully purchased weapon. If it is stolen and used in a felony robbery or murder, you are just as responsible as the person who pulled the trigger. It should never have been stolen, as that was the purpose of the gun to begin with, prevent theft.

Let me apologise for ldopas.
He's obviously a poseur, probably a fifth grade wanker from West Hollywood or San Francisco who spends most of his time getting his kicks in gay bathhouses. I talked to my brother yesterday, who is thinking of moving to Spain because Muslims are buying up all the houses around him. They're a filthy lot, their backyards strewn with garbage, he tells me, and their constant wailing is driving him crazy. But what do we know? My brother still lives in the land of his birth. Merry old England.

Idopas Wrecks,
His ideology is hard aground on the reef of reality.

#1. Outlawing guns has no effect on the possession of guns by criminals because criminals do not obey laws. Hmmm. Perhaps this is why we call them "criminals".

#2. Shutting down gun manufacturers, confiscating all guns in the country via a house by house search, and blockading all points of entry would still not eliminate guns. Anyone with 8th grade shop skills and a few simple tools can make a single-shot weapon. Anyone with the resources of a decently-equipped auto shop could make semi-autos or revolvers.

#3. Leaving out "failed states" and and the sort of barbarian places where the criminals ARE the government, crime correlates inversely with gun ownership. When the law-abiding citizens have the necessary tools to protect themselves would-be criminals get jobs instead.

Gun Control: The theory that a woman found dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her pantyhose, is somehow morally superior to a woman explaining to police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.

Icedog
When I started reading your post I thought, "Uh oh, another idiot". By the time I got to the last sentence I was LMAO. I hope this post does not give it away for idiotpas. Then again I doubt his ability to understand. something the government has not spoon fed him.

Idopas
Are knives outlawed in UK as well?
If somebody wants to attack me with a knife, I prefer having a gun.

Will, and those responding to Will...
You are both making the same mistake. You seem to be under the delusion that Christianity was "invented" for man's best interest.

Such is not the case. Christianity is not a system of teachings to make life easy or convenient or "affirming" in any way.

It is a teaching of how a fallen world can reach a perfect God.

Will, I'm sorry that you have seen the ugly side of Christianity...I hope that some day you come to see it as a message of God's love, not man's convenience.

Not the point
That's not an argument from a yellowbird thinker. It was sharp, crisp, and revealed -- again -- the hypocrisy of the Left and race mongers.

BLH
Using your logic, if your car is stolen and used in committing a crime, you are responsible for that crime, too.

A firearm is just a tool for throwing lead pellets at a high rate of speed. How someone uses that tool determines if it is criminal or not.

I have lived in or near Leavenworth, KS for 10 years. We have had four murders in that 10 years. One was with a claw hammer, one with a screw driver, one with a baseball bat and one using the natural gas in a home as a bomb. Not one gun murder.

If someone is determined to do another person in, they are going to do it, no matter what. And they will use the tools that are available.

Bleeding Heart Liberal:
Under your "logic," if someone steals a knife from house, and uses it to slash and cut someone then I'm equally guilty, because that's what knives are use for, slashing, and cutting. Do we then pass laws controlling who owns knives. or cars since they are involved in 30,000+ fatalies a year?

Christmas Celebration in Baghdad

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- From a distance, it looks like an apparition: a huge multi-colored hot-air balloon floating in the Baghdad sky, bearing a large poster of Jesus Christ. Below it, an Iraqi flag.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/12/21/iraq.christmas/in dex.html

Is will saying that he shot his lover
in the butt?

WHAT ?
I am puzzled.

I am an older person, mostly self-educated, having read several thousand books, spent my time in the 'School of hard Knocks', Attained three college degrees while working full time, to do so, Was a College Prof, and an Electrical Engineer for 29 years. Given my background, I think it is fair to say, I notice changes in the pulse of things.

A couple of years ago, when I first spent much time on TownHall, about half the columnists were at least semi-conservative.

Williams, Prelustsky, Coulter, Malkin, Sowell, Adams, and perhaps half a dozen others, provide the 'WORD' that others cannot speak.


This is just fine with me. Please provide a fair balance of opinions. However, if you do so, DO NOT SAY THIS IS A CONSERVATIVE SITE.

Rather, say, "This is a balanced site." ( I see it is now balanced to the left, but that is just my opinion. )


Sadly, from continuous monitoring, I can only think that TownHall has become just another prostitoote site. ( Spelling altered to pass the GayCaballero censors ).

Also, while I touch on that subject, TH censors are illiterate, immature, ignorant and childish. They have no firm grasp upon the language, and no consideration for it.

They allow the most vile posts to stand 'As-is', and censor conservatives who disagree.


Conservative Site?

No way !



Do any of you conservatives out there, Know of any TRUE conservative site ?

Please share with us TRUE conservatives !





As for me . . .
I just liked reading yet one more column that points out the tremendous HYPOCRISY of the left.

Hypocrite, thy name is . . .

wee willie sayz:
People don't want to admit that Michael Moore was right.

Only if your talking about him eating eight Big Macs in one meal, I would agree.
Other than that the guy is a first class idiot and that is why the left adores him!

LMFAO hic! (not used with seatbuffers or permission, because I will NEVER ask for it!)

Palin/Jindal in 2012!

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Peso George, Pardon Ramos and Compean before you leave office!!!





Interesting
Similarly, labeling someone "liberal" may make them less responsive to rational conservative thought :)

Another interesting line of theory/study exists in psychology under the topic "micro aggression". This involves finding evidence of covert discrimination in seemingly innocuous acts. To me, this reinforces angry paranoia of those who are perennially offended. Nevertheless, it tells us where the science and profession of psychology is going.

James
Christians (as do all people) have an ugly side, not Christianity.

Idopas:
Do I have your basic theory correct:

"Widespread legal gun ownership-->widespread gun violence"

Is that pretty much it?

We can test that hypothesis right here in the USA, since we have large cities that permit wide latitude in gun ownership (Dallas, Houston) and large cities with heavily confiscatory gun policies (Washington, D.C.)

Furthermore, we have cities that once had repressive gun-control laws that have switched to 'shall-issue' municipalities where any law-abiding citizen can acquire a concealed-carry permit. One can look at the crime statistics from the same city both before and after the laws were changed to allow widespread gun ownership. That would be an effective test of your hypothesis.

Dr. John Lott, University of Chicago Law, put your hypothesis to the test. It was quite comprehensive and rigorous. He found the opposite of what he had expected to find. That's why he titled his resulting book, "More Guns, Less Crime."

Read it. Your puerile theory was disproved conclusively years ago.

Very well thought out
Unfortunately the driving force behind liberal thought is not primarily logic, it is emotional response. If there is a negative impact to the liberal decisions we make today, through money and more government at the new problem. Let's perpetuate less and freedom in the name of emotional pacification.

HEY !


We are TownHall.

We protect every post except for 'wobbie' , 't r' , and 'soapie'. And any conservative who disagrees with them

And we also delete every post that disagrees with them.

We do be fare.

Mild spoofs are not allowed, but vile crud is OK.

we R not so smart, but no-buddy kin akuse us ov being pre-judisst.



~~~~~~~~~

Hey! If any of you conservatives out there know of any TRUE conservative site, can you share?

I am about finished with TH .

Racism? Bigotry?
Never knew what it was 'til I moved to NY.

I lived in a multi-cultural community 'til I was 6. My playmates were African, Indian, Japanese, Native American, British and Dutch. In fact there was not another caucasian American in my neighborhood.

We moved to upstate NY. I had developed a British accent and was placed a grade ahead in school due to highly developed reading/writing skills. Ouch. Eventually I lost the accent and fit in.

I visited family in NYC. I learned from kids on the block who to play with and who to shun. These rules were handed down from older sisters/brothers. My generation started ignoring the rules. Friendships and relationships were based on common interests, mutual intellect and common sense.

It's not fixed yet but I believe the majority of us want to trash racism and bigotry. Too bad the politicians promote it.


Rich D.
Good point...yours is a better phrasing.

Scroll by Will
Ignore the narcissist. Nothing to see here.

Welcome back, Will!
We missed you! You haven't been the first to post to a Dr. Adams column in several weeks. Were you out protesting at restaurants and churches?

You are much smarter than me (a stupid neocon), so I did not understand your connection between the article and Christianity.

Original sin causes delinquency? Delinquency causes someone to label another person a Christian? There are no delinquents where there is no Christianity? My Christian church should not use labels on their envelopes?

Please tell us again how Dr. Adams's column relates to the Christian faith. Keep it simple so that I can understand it.

3 types of learners
l. visual learners; 2. audio learners; 3. kinesthetic learners. Our schools teach mostly visually and audio style. Kids that are kinesthetic learners act up a lot. Often this leads to getting into trouble as a career. Kinesthetic learners need to be taught hands on stuff. Remember the old days when kids went to small engine repair and shop classes all day? That's what's needed. Lots of kids can tear a motor down and fix it, but they can't read or comprehend print well. I read a book in one or two nights, yet can't fix a motor to save my life. I'm a visual learner. We all learn faster in our own style. Signed, Former Inner City Teacher

New game, Thanks Mike
Frank Tannenbaum, if he were alive today, might argue that everyone engages in some form of accomplishment-oriented behavior. And he might point out that not everyone who engages in accomplishing something is caught and labeled “accomplished.”

Tannenbaum might also say that parents, teachers, and peers sometimes over-react to juveniles caught in an act of “accomplishment insensitivity.” He would be on firm ground in asserting that these occasional over-reactions could actually produce more accomplishment insensitivity.

Surely, those who are labeled “accomplishers” are less likely to be invited to associate with those who haven’t. And ostracism from the non-accomplished can lead to accomplish-ist associations where the strengthening of accomplishment tendencies can occur.

Lemert might agree that people can engage in accomplishment for any number of biological, sociological, or psychological reasons. Accomplishments produced by any of these broad (categories of) factors could be called “primary accomplishment.”

Lemert might also agree that if an individual is caught in an act of primary accomplishment, he is likely to be placed under greater subsequent scrutiny by parents, teachers, and various agents of social control. This, of course, means the child is more likely to be caught engaging in “accomplishment insensitivity” again. Adopting Lemert’s premises, it is easy to understand how a vicious cycle could develop.

At some point, of course, the child might internalize the notion that he is “accomplished” or just generally “a doer.” This could lead to higher rates of accomplishment. When it does, one might say that “secondary accomplishment” has occurred. Many of us might call this a “self-fulfilling prophecy.”


Just a proposed antidote to liberals and progressives in school.


Sheriff Joe
That famous Sheriff Joe who runs the prison out in Phoenix? Well, he now has his prisoners taking care of all the unwanted pets in the county. They love it! It's hands on stuff. I'll bet most of those prisoners are kinesthetic learners. Sheriff Joe saved the county millions of dollars by letting the prisoners take care of the dogs and cats. The adoption fees pay the prisoners an hourly fee. (It's peanuts, but they love the work.) More proof positive about the benefits of hands-on learning, and the genius of Sheriff Joe!

idiotpass, limey


Doug
Location: FL
Reply # 50
Date: Dec 22, 2008 - 9:37 AM EST ldopas
Without guns, how do you deter a 22 year old, 6 foot 5 inch, 235 pound thug who comes into your home uninvited and wants to have his way with your wife while you watch?

~~~

IDIOTPASS WOULD JUST SIT AND WATCH THE PORN SHOW.

And, then he would complain when hie supper of sheep and taters was late.




Liberal Labeling
Is Mike saying that you can take a liberal moron like Koolmuse (post #1), or Will (post #28), or Bleeding Heart Liberal (post #23), label them a conservative thereby causing them to associate only with conservatives and somehow these liberal stooges will evolve into critical, reality based thinkers?

Not a chance. You can expose a liberal to commonsense, rational thought and critical thinking but they will never leave the safety of their political fantasies.

Koolmuse @4:05 pm
You mention the outlawing of stem cell research. I presume that you mean embryonic stem cell research, which has had NO positive results anywhere. However, adult stem cell and placental stem cell research results have proved to be beneficial.
It is not the research that has been outlawed, but using tax moneys to pay for it that has been forbidden. There has been embryonic stem cell research that has been financed with non-tax moneys--and the results have been negative, since often the cells that are grown thus do not know when to stop growing (like cancer cells), or how to grow the proper tissue where it is wanted.
Adult and placental stem cells have been used in many places, and they produce what is wanted, where it is wanted. This research is financed privately.
Why do the people who want to experiment with embryos not want to be content with private financing? The successful research is privately financed.

THAT TOWN IN GEORGIA
I want to move to that town in Georgia that requires every home to own a gun. Their crime rate went down 75% in two years! Idiopas might have a suggestion for what I should do late at night out in the country where I live alone, if someone breaks in. Call the Sheriff? It would take 20 minutes for a deputy to get there. I'd rather protect myself the tried and true good old American way, thanx!

Will
You say that England has largely removed guns from the hands of criminals. Most criminals are big, strong, young men. Government has not removed their strength from them, so older, smaller, weaker people are easy victims for them. Not so here, where (for now) an older, smaller, weaker person need not be at the mercy of a young thug; where he can defend himself with a firearm.

karen
The town is Kennesaw. One of my my grandsons lives there. It is near Atlanta. He will be here at Christmas. I will ask him if it has helped.The statistics seem to say so.

Atlanta is crime-ridden in certain places. Kennesaw is a suburb of it.

Younger, you are a dangerous idiot!
You spoke the truth to Koolmuse and now there is a slight possibility that some will sink in and he will have nagging doubts about his worth, resulting in nightmares about changing his political affiliation. You could have ruined his life.

Apologize!

Racism
This is so true. My friends and I are so sick of being called racist and having "diversity" shoved down our throats we are finally sick of blacks and Mexicans and whomever.

None of us (well, one, actually) was ever racist before being hounded for twenty-plus years. We're freaking sick of it.

Retired Geek:
Sadly but not surprisingly, CNN has removed the page you cited [Christmas Celebration In Baghdad] and now denies all knowledge of any activity in that area. LOL

Stealing a page from the Kenyan, Obamamama, I guess.

What happened to Americans?
The problem with liberals labeling everyone and marking them as different causes other people to resent those groups of people. The government is consistently pointing out that all people aren't equal, but different. They intentionally create division amongst Americans and if you noticed so they can raise taxes for more social studies and programs. The government and citizens don't even refer to fellow citizens as Americans, but by their race or their ethnicity and "politically correct" descriptions of targeted people- in violation of the U.S. Constitution - which makes groups of people believe that they are either victims or they deserve special treatment or they are isolated or less American than what the liberals set up as the "all American type." And which group represents the "all American?" The democratic liberals have shoved these differences down our throats so they can create job security and more problems.

Racism in LA
For over a year, the pundits, media, Obamamaniacs have called me "racist" because I didn't want Obama elected. Nevermind that I disagree with his policies. In fact, he could have been "lily-white" and I still wouldn't have voted for him.

Then, consider my African-American best friend, who is a Conservative and didn't vote for Obama. She was shouted down at a restaurant because she was discussing politics. They actually called her "Auntie Thomasina"!

Racism does exist, but it also is prevalent among those who scream for tolerance while being intolerant.

Labeling Theory and Pseudoscience
Mike:

I've generally enjoyed your articles, but I think you've confounded cause and effect a bit as well as thrown a some straw man fallacy for good measure.

Pseudo-science, as you call it, or perhaps simply stated- invalid or unreliable conclusions drawn from scientifically derived data - is no phenomenon unique to sociology. Invalid or confounded conclusions can be drawn from any social science or "hard" science field, as often happens. This is why science must replicate data, as well as build on new information in any field.

Conclusions leading to a permanent, oppressed entitlement group regardless of facts to the contrary must be challenged, as well as the fallacious reasoning that supports this kind of thinking. Any background in symbolic logic can refute unscientific reasoning; but it's best served with facts. For instance: http://www.junkscience.com/mar01/satel.htm

V&B . . . past your intellect . . .
Ever heard of irony? IMHO, I believe Mike was shining a light on the inconsistency of convenient theory when evidence is impossible to collect scientifically. Kind of like defining polling statistics with the purity of numbers while injecting improper techniques of language in questioning. That's the "straw" in your accusation.

He's basically saying that if you apply the same rules and standards of the models discussed "sociologically," progressivism can't live with the problems their predetermined models deem to represent. I think he's simply saying "You can't have it both ways, schmucks!"

Labeled
When I was younger, I went to a fairly liberal college and occationally voiced my opinion. I remember some of the things I had been called. One surprising label occured when I was having some words with a liberal activist who happened to be black. I would not have been surprised to have been called racist or fascist for having dared to oppose him. These labels and others were not unusual when their bad arguments fell flat.
However, he called me anti-semitic. I raised the point that the topic at hand had absolutly nothing to do with Israel or the Jewish people. He then said that he was Jewish. What? Huh? Strangely enough, I had no idea he was Jewish.
The fact that the label game is common place if you oppose liberal activists is sad. If you say PFLAG shouldn't receive funding from tuition, you are a called a homophobe. If you tell a PETA person that you enjoy the taste of chicken, you are called a murderer. If you say you are pro-life, the NOW ladies call you all sorts of unprintable things.
Why is it I, and my former cohorts, never thought that calling people names helped the causes we were interested in defending?
It's a wonder that a student with normal mainstream ideals can graduate college without being emotionally scarred.

Seriously
Here is a quote from David E Hogan:

"It is widely recognized among contemporary social sientists that racial prejudic is expressedmore covertly in American Society today than it was before the civil right movement of the 1960s (Dovido & Gartner 1999l Sars, 1988). Old-fashioned racism, which has diminished somewhat in prevalence during modern times, s characterized by blatently expressed beliefs in the inherent inferiority of Blacks and by the endorsement of segregation practices. The concept of modern racism, in contrast to old fashioned racism, is distinguished by three core characteristics: denial that discrimination against African Americans is still a social roblem; resentment about the social, educational, and political gains of minorities; and antagonism towards programs that promote social equality.

ldopas
Responding to quoted below,

You are a subject of the queen. We are citizens of these United States. Our Second Amendment to our Constitution exists to allow the citizens of this Republic the capacity to guard against government interference. That's right, this country belongs to the people herein. Your country does not belong to you in the same sense sorry to say.

"Im a Brit, let me answer you.

Firstly we are clever enough to understand that; HAVING a gun means you can shoot and kill people and NOT having a gun means you can't. Understand that?

Ok lets move on. NOT having a gun and not getting a hard on as a country for guns and outlawing them..means that NO ONE has guns.

So the boogie man with the gun, that you need a gun to defend yourself with doesnt exist. THAT is a concept people like you just dont get.

Could what happened in India, happen in Las Vegas. Of course it damn well could. You have guns, anyone can take a gun into a hotel in your country and blow anyone away. how many are in circulation?

Your argument I suspect is that because everyone else has guns, then it would deter. But it doesnt. All that would happen is a bigger bloodbath.

Still comprehending? Lets move on.

Yes it could very easily happen in Las Vegas, and indeed happes regularly in the US, even in your schools. so much for you concept of no gun control = no people getting shot (which of course is idiocy anyway).

Could it happen in London or Cardiff or Manchster UK. Well anything could happen, but its very unlikely. WE DONT ALLOW GUNS..FOR ANYONE. Got that?

No mass killings in public places, not school massacres, that my friend is an american phenomena.

Now do YOU understand why mass gun ownership is not a think we want over here. In fact Im amazed that an alledged christian country can get so sexed up at the though of owning weapons. Total hypocrisy. "

John
What about this:
http://www.spotcrime.com/uk/london

I see a number of shootings. Where did those guns come from? Do you seriously believe that the millions of guns in the US would simply disappear if they became "illegal"? You're daft.

Have a Happy New Year, regardless.
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