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Monday, December 15, 2008
Mike Adams :: Townhall.com Columnist
Sea of Faces
by Mike Adams
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Late one morning in May of 1996, I stuck my head out of the window of James and Stephanie’s Manhattan apartment to get some not-so-fresh air while I drank my morning coffee. We were just getting up before noon after a long night of talking God and politics at an Irish pub called Peter McManus’ located somewhere around 20th Street. I looked down at the droves of people flooding the streets for the noon lunch break wondering whether it was possible for God to have a plan for each one of their lives as well as a concern for each one’s well-being.

Those questions may seem odd for one to ponder over morning coffee but they aren’t so strange for one who just weeks before had broken the chains of atheism that had bound him for so long. Just because I renounced atheism one day on the way out of a damp prison in Quito, Ecuador, did not mean I instantly became a Christian. That would not happen until years later when I recognized that a personal relationship with God was not only a possibility but an indispensable aspect of Christianity.

Since that time I’ve had the opportunity to share my faith with a lot of people. In fact, many people who read this column tell me to stop doing it. My awareness that it gets under their skin is the principal reason I continue. Christianity is not always comforting and those most annoyed with it are often the closest to conversion.

It should go without saying that I’m always pleased to hear when a reader turns to Christ. There’s no greater joy than hearing the good news that someone has accepted the Good News. By the same token, there is nothing more devastating than hearing of a reader turning away from Christianity. That happened to me recently when a fellow I once witnessed to said, “I still believe in God but I feel like he only intervenes in my life when he wants to (expletive) with me.”

The fellow who told me that also said he was not a “conservative Christian” like me but instead a “more liberal Christian.” He may or may not know that he’s on the verge of no longer being a Christian at all.

Perhaps the most accurate thing my reader has recently said about Christianity is that I am a conservative Christian. That conservatism is reflected in two things I believe to be absolutely certain about the life of a Christian:

1) I believe that - because we live in a world broken by sin and occupied by fundamentally flawed individuals - storms are inevitable. If all hell has not yet broken loose in your life it soon will. Chaos would not be so pervasive if people were as fundamentally good as the so-called liberal Christian deems them to be.

2) When all hell breaks loose in life, each individual is faced with the choice of moving toward the Cross or away from the Cross. Every person in every tumultuous situation chooses one or the other of these two options. A man has no one but himself to blame for the consequences of making the wrong decision – though the so-called liberal Christian probably dislikes my emphasis on free will.

When one responds to tragedy by moving towards the Cross it is impossible to believe that God only intervenes in men’s lives when he wants to (expletive) with them. The closer one moves to the Cross, the more one understands that God really is willing to intervene in the lives of men. One also understands that God does it because he loves all of his children and wants to have a real and permanent relationship with them.

That is why I am so irritated with self-proclaimed liberal Christians like John Shelby Spong. Those like Spong who either deny the importance of the resurrection or deny its occurrence altogether share a transparent political motivation. If you get too close to the Cross, you get too close to the reality of sin and its consequences. And then you alienate valuable political allies.

Some may believe that the liberal Christian’s willingness to cut out portions of the New Testament prohibiting sexual sin makes it easier for him to cut out portions dealing with the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus. Maybe it is more accurate to say that the removal of the crucifixion and resurrection story makes it necessary to delete all of the commandments that make the liberal Christian feel uncomfortable.

Seldom has the so-called liberal Christian’s discomfort with the Cross been as evident as in the aftermath of Mel Gibson’s Passion of the Christ. Reviews in magazines like The Nation showed unbelievable hysteria from the so-called Christian Left ending with a chorus of accusations of anti-Semitism directed towards Gibson and his movie.

Whatever anti-Semitic feelings Gibson may harbor, his movie was not anti-Semitic. I would like to personally thank the Jews. Because of their role in killing my Savior, they helped to secure my salvation.

But the so-called liberal Christian sees it differently. He is reminded of his sin when he sees the bloody torture of Jesus of Nazareth. So he asks why we don’t just focus on all of Jesus’ acts of kindness towards the poor.

And that is where my reader finds himself today. When he is not proclaiming that God only intervenes in his life occasionally to (expletive) with him he is out building houses for Habitat for Humanity.

Jesus did posit as his Second Great Commandment that we should love our neighbors as ourselves. But, before we reach out to do good for our neighbors, the First Great Commandment says we must love the Lord with all our heart, mind, and soul. We can’t do that without moving towards the Cross of Christ when things are stormy in our lives.

It is only when we focus on the horror of Jesus’ death that we realize how much he loves us. And it is only when we believe the resurrection that we know Jesus stands outside of time and hears our cries above the thunder.

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Mike Adams is a criminology professor at the University of North Carolina Wilmington and author of Feminists Say the Darndest Things: A Politically Incorrect Professor Confronts "Womyn" On Campus.
 
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Next time save the space...
Possibly the worst column Adams has written.

Becoming a Christian
The two previous posts prove your point, Mr. Adams. The most important thing that ever happened in this world after the fall of Adam and Eve IS the life and death of Christ Jesus. It does make sinners uncomfortable, but not as uncomfortable as they will be if they reject this truth.

Except for God/Jesus, Ecclesiates tells us "everything under the sun is meaningless" Only in this life do we have a choice. When we die, our choice has been made-eternally.

Thank you Mike S. Adams...
...for having the courage to write the truth.

For what it's worth, facing the reality of what the Cross of Christ represents can even be difficult for a Christian. But that is why we love Him so. Probably all of us would have caused Him to rebuke us, as he did Peter, when He said, "Get behind me satan!".

Oh, the Cross, the beautiful Cross. Keep telling the truth Brother Mike. It is our duty, as His sheep, to minister to the lost. Just remember, Jesus is the only one who provides. Thank you again for letting Him work through you, God bless.

Early in my life, I went to a church
that preached all was foreordained. I got really depressed. IF God already knows exactly how I will turn out and why - and lets it all happen, because there is a REASON, than WHY BOTHER?

I heard about free will from some Baptists and it sounded so right. God knows how things will turn out, if you do this, or if this happens to you or if you decide not to do this.

(Whatever 'this' is...) But, he seems to want to let YOU decide which way it's going to go. Sounds like a good parent, to me still.

The only thing I can not come to grips with is this "literal taking of the Bible." God inspired, Man wrote I can accept. God told Man exactly what to write, perhaps. BUT, to presume that each and every translation is the Word of God - nope. Can't accept that at all.

My main reason for this view is the commandment (number varies according to version!) "Thou shalt not kill." On the face of it, this is nonsense. God put animals here. Some to eat. We have to kill them to eat them. Some animals (2-legged even!) are dangerous, shall we not kill them to protect ourselves?

"The meek shall inherit the earth" but only after they die by the hands of some deranged psychopath!

For Angry Will
Will, God is good, in a good mood and looking to bless, and that means you too.
Leviticus chapter 18 says nothing about food or facial hair, but prohibits things like same-sex intercourse, incest, adultery, sacrificing children, zoophilia, etc.
Consider Romans 1:26-27 (same-sex attracted sexuality being not good for you), I Timothy 1:10 (sodomy being contrary to sound teaching), Matthew 19:4-6 (Jesus reemphasizes the Genesis passages that we are created male and female and that is where sexual union belongs) and I Corinthians 6:9-11 (read on to the last part where Paul reminds leaders of the Corinthian church that “such were some of you,” demonstrating two millennia of proof of people coming out homosexuality).
I know you think the Bible is man-made, but that is a tough order to fill: 66 books written over 1,600 years on three continents by around 40 authors from all walks of life and still holding a common theme. No human book has ever accomplished anything near that. Archeology is successfully done off the contents of the Bible, which speaks against fabrication.
Buddhism, you said? The Dalai Lama ruffled feathers in San Francisco in the late 90s by noting same-sex behavior was against Buddhist teaching.
I’ve known nearly 50 people who are former gays, lesbians and transgenders. For most of them, they didn’t leave it on their own strength, but on the grace and empowerment they got from a relationship with Jesus Christ.
No one is a “good Christian” on their own. You are saved (made a Christian) by grace through faith in Christ, not by how good you are. Scripture is emphatically clear that everyone falls short of the standard, all have sinned, thus the need for a savior. We are all in the same boat, Will.
God’s knocking on the door of your heart. Why leave His love for you unrequited?
Blessings on you, Will. You are in my prayers.

Well, now
You come across as very sincere, so let me try to explain some things.

1st) Our current understanding of the english language is not sufficient when studying doctrine. For instance, that "meek shall..." verse that is always brought up by atheists (I know, I used to do it myself) to "prove" the same point you make, is used w/ a completely flawed understanding of what the word meek means. That is why it is so important to use the King James version for doctrinal study. Reading praises to the Lord, like Psalms, in another version is okay but not doctrine. Anyway, the meekness Jesus is talking about is that of a "kind and gentle" person. One who can be very outwardly joyful and confident in his faith, and yet be meek. He was talking about those who have control over their carnal nature.

Also, in the original Hebrew, it's "Thou shalt not MURDER".

Suffice to say,if you really want to find the truth you will find it and if you want to find something in support of YOUR will and not His, you can find that too.

Seriously sir, get to a good Bible study. Find out what it really means. It will change your life forever. It changes thousands everyday. "OH, if you knew what I know, you would be grateful too."

So, you are saying a similar thing
that is, that the literal Word is there, but sometimes, you do have to dig for it? (Mistranslations and such?)

Because KJV says, "Thou shall not KILL. (But, you say, "That is why it is so important to use the King James version for doctrinal study.")

This has caused a lot of trouble. And is used against Christians so much.

I am NOT trying to be trying your patience. I appreciate the help. Just trying to understand. THIS has been the biggest sticking point, to me. Thanks for the pointer. (Can't go to Bible study.)

excellent article mike!
it was very needed as so many are enduring financial crisis' these days.

Adams Is a "Christian."
During the years from 300 AD to 400 AD, Constantine and his Pagan cohorts talked the Early Christians out of practicing about half of Chirst's teachings. Thus "Christianity" has been, ever since. (Well, I grant you there are the Amish, some monks, a few others).

Yes, among other habits, I see where if you attempt physical injury to Mike Adams, you will be facing one of his pistols -- a practice opposite the teachings of Jesus Christ.

I could mention about six other practices employed by Mike Adams that are directly in conflict with a number of Christ's teachings.

That said, I like Mike Adams and his work and his thinking. I like the morality of the latter day "Christians." The evidence shows that the abundance in my life is a direct result of this latter day "Christianity."

But it is not the morality, or practices, taught by Jesus Christ, who I also like. I just can't, or won't, do His teachings. So, I am not a practicing Christian of either type, but I try to be a good guy.

One thing I don't do is employ the teachings of Jesus Christ in any argument. Why would I want to insult the life He lived?

Actually, the credit for Christianity...
belongs not to the Jews, but to Saul of Tarsus. For the first 20 years after Jesus' death, Christians were just another sect within Judaism. Had Saul not one of his "spells" or the vision as many refer to it on his journey to Damascus (to persecute Christians) and was subsequently healed of his blindness by Ananias, a member of the Christian sect there, Jesus and Christianity could have passed into history like the previously touted saviours and their sects - Essenes, mostly, curiously. It wasn't until 14 or so years later that Paul's missionary work began on his trip with Barnabas.
It was not the resurrection that kick-started Christianity, but the militant work of Paul who eventually wrested Christianity away from Judaism, interposing Christ as the pathway to God where Jews, by and large, tend to believe that we need not the intermediary. It was the elevation of Christ into the position of equality that posed considerable controversy and, curiously enough some 2000 years later, still does.

God Bless ....
Rose Kennedy once said God does not give you a burden you are not capable of carrying, or words similar. My company is beginning a cycle of layoffs, a first for us. I reminded my folks of Rose's remark Friday evening.

Keep praying, Keep the Faith, Keep believing in yourself with God's help.

"And May God Bless" (Red Skelton, American Comic, Clown and Hero)

Michael you ignorant twit!
Jesus Himself demonstrated the propriety of righteous anger when he made a whip and beat the snot out of the money changers at the Temple.

Moreover the "turn the other cheek" line has been clung to by pacifists and other preachy typse like the True Cross.

All it means is to stand up for yourself and demand your dignity. If a right-handed man (95% of the population) slaps you on the right cheek it HAS to be backhanded. That is the way you'd slap a slave or other inferior.

To turn the other cheek is to say "If you must slap me, slap me as your equal!"

Ever hear of St. Gabriel Posenti? He's the patron saint of handgunners. He once defended a group of women against highwaymen with his dueling pistols.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Michael @ 4:04 a.m. EST.,Reply 11:

When you "employ" the teachings of Jesus Christ never worry about an arguement. That matter is handled not by us.

Jesus Chirst, the same yesterday, today and forever.



Two things....
First, Dr. Adams wrote this:
" I would like to personally thank the Jews. Because of their role in killing my Savior, they helped to secure my salvation."

Forgive me if I sound "touchy-feely", but this comment is rather harsh and crude. God's plan was God's plan. Who He allowed to be used to achieve His plan gets neither credit nor disdain. When we do either of those things, we take our eyes of Christ is really teaching us.

Second, Dr. Adams wrote this:
"It is only when we focus on the horror of Jesus’ death that we realize how much he loves us."

While it is true that the manner in which Christ died was horrific, IT, the manner of death, is secondary, at best, to His death, period. It was Christ's willingness to ransome His own life for our salvation that resonates just how much He loves us.

We must be careful to learn from life's situations and circumstances only the fruitful teachings of those instances and nothing more. It reminds me of quote, I forget from who, that goes like this:
"We must be careful to learn from experience only what that experience teaches us. A cat, having jumped on a hot stove, will never jump on a hot stove again. However, neither will he jump on a cold one."

Tod Kozeluh
Lexington, KY

Wrat Wrangler.
I see you are in conflict with St. Paul, as a previous commentor mentioned, regarding my comments. St. Peter, too. And, of course, Christ, Himself. The whipping at the temple does not hold up, as Peter and Paul never repeated the practice. Jesus, as God, had more "rights." but He never said, "Do this in remembrance of Me." Did He?

I happen to love Christiantity, and Jesus's teachings, as well as the later interpretations, as I mentioned, "ingnorant twit" though I be.

What do you love?

Great article
The Cross of Christ is the pivotal point of human history and the only hope for this sin sick world.

The Rock that makes men stumble
Mike Adams, you sure know how to start a week! The venom will spew on this column for days!

But thank you, Thank you. Thank you for pointing to the Cross of Christ. Thank you for taking readers from the Manger to the Cross. Thank you for being a bold witness.

May God richly bless your life today.

I was told
that the duty of Christianity/Christians was to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable. I've also tried to live by the question: 'If you were on trial for your faith, would there be enough evidence to convict you?'

Word for thought, if you are truly doing a thorough Bible study, invest in Strong's Exhaustive Concordance. It will develop your biceps AND help you see the words exact meaning from the original Greek/Hebrew/Chaldee. Then it isn't a person's best guess, it becomes the author's message.

PRISON IN ECUADOR???
Mike writes: "Just because I renounced atheism one day on the way out of a damp prison in Quito, Ecuador, ..." Whoa, I've read a lot of Mike Adams, but I must have missed that part in his bio about serving time in an Ecuadorian prison. Or was he simply visiting a friend serving time down there? I would like to know some details.

Foolishness, pride and murder . . .
I can remember, before the Spirit compelled me into the Kingdom, how I used to argue against the Bible. Yes, knowing nothing about it, I would foolishly argue against it. Mike, over the years, I continue to see many respondents to your column do the same thing.

Your column today is a clear sign that you have laid everything at the foot of the cross, including personal pride. The struggle by many to continue to express personal pride is one of the clearest signs of unbelief!

Another clear sign of having been drawn into the Kingdom is an in-depth reading and study of the Word of God. Through this process, one learns that the sixth commandment is properly translated, "You shall not murder", not "You shall not kill". A correct understanding of this commandment speaks both to soldiers who are called to war, and to anyone aborting a human baby.

Thanks for your column, Mike. It's the first thing I read on Monday morning.

Dr. Adams
Wonderful article. Thanks.

Good Column, Mike!
As a retired minister, I want to thank you for a superb column. The Cross is the one place where God's love is most supremely seen. Love, especially God's love, is about "giving," not "taking." Would that we had more teachers who had your perspective on America's college campuses. Our universities are full of teachers who claim to believe in "diversity," the the only diversity they like is that which is secularist and on the left end of the political spectrum.

I live approximately four miles from UNCW where Mike takes his stand. Mike, may your tribe increase on America's campuses

Del

sea of fecessss
Amero - the new currency for North American Union (Mex/USA/Canada) had been already coined:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxv9fl8vwa0

Consider this:

When fanatical religious non-Christians (read Muslims) have come to possess nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them all over western civilization and we are prepared to counter in kind, will God step in to save mankind? Who will he save, them or us, all or none? Perhaps only the godless Chinese will be left to write the history that religion destroyed the Christians and the Muslims.

silly atheist argument
Free will is a given in Christianity - otherwise it would make no sense for Christ to ask you to choose Him publicly.

Of course this free will allows many other things to happen - and these things are used as some kind of 'proof' God doesn't exist.

Well you can't have it both ways, guys.

If you believe the world is a lot of marionettes controlled by God then you speak of a god which is not in the Bible. God set the world in motion and placed us here, the rest is up to us.

Liberal Christian an Oxymoron
Really focus on how much he loves us -
learn to pray the Psalms as his own
prayers!

Listen to how he suffers the sins of
man, for he had none; listen to the
prayers he made through his servant
David.

Get Bonhoeffer's Psalm book and further
your education.

Thanks, Mike
Really a great commentary. Very thought provoking. As a more conservative Christian, I agree with all that you said- and have seen the other thought process (that of liberal Christians) twist the Faith to suit its own purposes.

Good article, Mike
Mike, I so look forward to reading your articles and thank you for this one...What a good and loving God we have that will tolerate (for the present time) people that defame His name and the ones of us that have a relationship with Him. But He does not give us what we deserve and that is called mercy. It used to really bother me when these ignorant people that slam writers like you and any person that proclaims the name of Christ, but He gives them another minute to see Him as the Loving Savior that He is....Thank you for your articles.. By the way I love NC and SC! God Bless you.

1 Corinthians 1:18
"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."

"Always
beware of an estimate of life that does not recognize the fact that there is sin."

Oswald Chambers
"My Utmost for His Highest", June 24

Word by Word study.
THe Holy Spirit is not in the habit of popping in and out of our hearts. At the point of Faith, which is a gift from God, we come to believe that Jesus is who He said He is. And the Holy Spirit takes up permanent residence in our hearts.

Liberal Christians are not Christians. You cannot deny His Divinity,Word and Mission and call your self a Christian. The Holy Spirit is not in them. They do not have the Truth.

Many people are raised in the Church and identify themselves as Christians. I know, I was one of them. They realize they are sinners and that Jesus was a good man and had good ideas and they want to be like Him.
But
This is not Christianity.
They do not believe He is the Son of God.
They do not understand the centrality and neccesity of the cross. He was the sacrificial lamb. Jesus suffered in a way that should have been reserved for a Hitler. He paid the penalty for every sin. Even the deepest and darkest.
Non-believers do not understand their own enmity with God. And their desperate need for a Savior. Without Him we are hopeless and doomed. Our sins will not be forgiven unless we believe.
We must ask Him to be our Redeemer. Just like Ruth asked Boaz. At His feet in humility and trust.

Picture a Christ warship landing on an enemy occupied island.(your heart) At this point you are saved. But you are not transformed until He does battle along side of you against our own ruthless heart. In His time He takes control of the island even though a few self-willed renegades will no doubt remain to hassle you in this life. There is no perfection for us on this side of life yet like good plants we keep growing toward it. How? By studying His Word and prayer and good deeds. Word by Word is the best method.

A changed heart will show and grow the fruits of the Spirit. Love, kindness, patience, goodness, faithfulness, joy, peace, gentleness, and self-control.

We cannot do this on our own.

Religions Need to be Questioned
It is a misconception that those that question that which is written must be against the idea in the first place. When someone (like myself) asks whether something written two centuries after the death of Jesus is somehow a direct quote of the day is remotely possible, it is unwise to curl into a defensive ball and attack those that question.

The Bible, like all other religious writings, are the work of man. Man, as we all know, is fallible. Man has capacity for evil or simple mistakes of well intentions that backfire into evil behavior. How else did the Inquisition start? How do we know that the writings weren't taken and re-written for the selfish purposes of others? Even simple translation errors, where a single punctuation out of place can radically alter the message, create issues.

Faith is not taking something at its word just because it is written. Those at Jonestown were faithful as well. People need to be vigilant even within their own faith and be ready to not only defend, but admit when there is a flaw in their own belief structure. Trusting in a faith structure as an infallable word of a higher power is not only false (it is the word as interpreted by imperfect men), but alienates those you try to reach.

The Great Mystery,
Who am I, with all my faults and flaws, that the very Son of God came to earth to live chained by the weaknesses of humanity then to die slowly, in agony that I could have the opportunity to live with him forever in heaven?

To forget that is to come to regard heaven not as the gift of a loving God to be accepted with gratitude but as an entitlement "because I'm a good person". And to start thinking of God's gifts as entitlements is the first step in alienating ourselves from God.

Which parents love their children more? The ones who indulge their every whim with instant gratification or the ones who give their kids what they need, including the gift of discipline, and allow them to earn the things they want?

Martha worked hard to serve the Lord but it was Mary who drew close to him and was praised for it.

Christ fed the multitudes twice. But then he rejected those who, hoping for free food rather than the opportunity to learn God's ways, lacked the foresight to take responsibility for themselves by packing a lunch.

Joycey, Susan, and Alison
Your declarations that "liberal Christians" are not Christians at all, or very mildly at best, is right on!

I have a "liberal Christian" in my family, and her devotion is first and foremost to liberalism. And almost without exception, this has also been true of all other "liberal Christians" I have ever met.

Read the posts of the poster calling himself christianlib (I'm surprised he hasn't made an appearance on this thread already, but give him time) and he'll be Exhibit A for this proposition.

"Liberal Christians" substitute governmental fiat for the personal acts of devotion and service Christ calls us to - because if the government is taking care of the poor, that absolves "liberal Christians" from THEIR personal responsibility to do so (or so they think).

I'm also surprised the atheist poster who calls himself MellorSJ2 (I'm sure he also posts here as SJ DOC) hasn't made an appearance on this thread by now, to mock Christians and call us all kinds of names (his favorite term for us is xians); he seems to have a special gravitation to Mike Adams' threads in particular. If or when he DOES come to this thread, since forewarned is forearmed, a little heads-up here: MellorSJ2 is an admitted homosexual (he seems downright PROUD of it, in fact), so that will tell you everything you need to know about why he has such a hatred for Christians.

Thank you Mr. Adams
for writing about what you espouse as the truth as you see it. People will disagree with great vigor on your article without getting the point.
That point is that you were willing to commit in print your beliefs which is an act that so many of us ignore.

I have always been a proponent of the philosophy that my religion is my business. But as more and more scandalous information arrives on the front of newspapers, I have come to realize that what keeps me aright are my beliefs. We all need them in a world full of greedy liars and nefarious magicians called politicians.

Thank you
This is your best work. I am starating to see Christians push back and articles such as yours gives us motivation to do more.
Klick

Justin
You must be very young. Your second paragraph rests upon a premise that you patently cannot prove. Your premise, I might add, is contested by a very large group of people who have done so for two millennia. You base your premise of biblical fallibility upon a non sequitur. Sadly, I must inform you that your Biblical scholarship is woefully inadequate concerning authorship and the history of translations. Furthermore, you do not understand, in the least, the concept of faith. In faith the object of faith is never seen. And finally, without faith, what, pray tell, is the point of trying to reach anyone to begin with. Some advice: next time, try showing off in an arena where you have a modicum of knowledge.

Justin
How do you know what you are stating is true?
Did John, the apostle whom Jesus loved, write Revelation? If you quote some intellectuals how do you know what they are saying is true. Why would God not give us a perfect truth, both Old and New Testaments to do battle with sin. Who are these people with extreme nerve that appear out of nowhere with no names that add to and subtract from the apostles and prophets writings. Every jot and tittle is perfect and unchanged.

Christians Need Not be Pacifists
Several of Christ's apostles had swords. Since there is no mention of any of them going out to buy swords BEFORE Christ told them to sell their coats to get swords if that was what it took we have to assume that they'd been carrying all the time (except when Christ specifically told them to go out without their normal equipment), and thus Christ must have approved.

The Bible is replete with examples of resisting evil on both the spiritual plane and the physical plane -- in keeping with man's nature as neither purely spiritual like the angels nor purely physical like the animals.

Two Choices
I couldn't agree more as I have learned that first hand.

Moving closer to the Cross in the turmoil that I am going through is, has and will continue to get me through this.




I don't think it's a matter of choice
I think believing in God is like falling in love. It happens to you and you can't stop it, and sometimes it goes away and you can't prevent it. That's been my experience.

Why Faith?
For those tangled in the Bible's apparent contradictions or demanding why God didn't make everything completely clear a short essay:

Why is faith necessary? Why doesn't God do as the atheists demand and PROVE his existence with unequivocal evidence?

1. God gave man free will to believe or not to believe -- the right to be wrong -- because he wants us to choose to be adopted as his children rather than forced to be his servants. God HAS servants already. Both the angels who accept his will and the demons who rebel against it need not "believe" in God for they KNOW him face-to-face.

2. God deliberately does not provide any evidence, in the scientific sense, for his existence because if there were such evidence it would destroy our free will -- removing our choice to believe or not believe and rendering us slaves before God's irresistible power.

3. Thus the need for faith to deliberately make the irrational, even counter-rational, decision to believe based not on evidence but on the willingness to suspend the need for evidence. This being the wisdom that is foolishness in the eyes of the world as the scriptures told us.

Its not a logical explanation of why one should believe in God but a logical explanation of the need to suspend logic in making the choice of faith. :)

Thanks Mike!
It is easier to see, after reading your column and discussing liberal Christians, how our "Christian" pres elect can think that partial birth abortion is just fine and dandy. I cannot see a true Christian thinking that infant sacrifice is AOk. Since reportedly, the Obamas don't exchange Christmas presents, it's not too far afield to think that they don't read the Bible either.

Factoid for Mother Of 4 @ 10:30
(British Field Marshall) Bernard Montgomery (who kicked the tar out of Nazi-Teutonist Rommel @ El Alamein) was a devout Christian, raised to be such by his mum--who would not let him have breakfast until he had recited a passage from The Word!

tedmug and Joyce
You've just proven what I said, you instinctively attack and alienate instead of attempting to provide a valid rebuttal. tedmug instinctively assumed I am young (which is correct) and thus, because of age, must be ignored. Age is irrelevant in any discussion not directly involving age. I don't know much about being a senior citizen as I am not one but actively assuming I didn't do my homework on the origins and authorship of the Bible because of my age is an appeal to age logical fallacy.

The authorship of the New testament ranged over two to three centuries, even longer for the Old. Many writings are dated to the second century AD that speak authoritatively on the life of Jesus despite being two hundred years after his death and written a thousand miles away. Two hundred years and a thousand miles were almost impossible times and distances for anyone not involved in military conquest during those timeframes. Matthew, the oldest of the traditional writings, is dated nearly 70 years after the death of Jesus. This time gap is problematic, especially from a region of the world where writing was expensive and frequenly had records destroyed by Roman invasions (Rome liked burning libraries).

As noted above, someone stated that the King James version is the "right" version, but many others who don't read that version consider theirs the official canon. There is just too much disagreement within the realm of Christianity to even accurately point out at the one true translation. Insulting others instead of answering questions is what makes Christians look bad. I don't question a higher power, I question the interpretation handed down by Earthly organizations.

An ACTUAL conservative Christian prof
Keep on doing what you are doing Mike! I am a full professor at a major midwestern university. Have been for almost 30 years now. We do exist. And frankly, there are more of us now than at ANY time in my 36 years of teaching/administering programs in Radiology. Just an observation my friend...more and more students are becoming active in their Christianity...and it is making a lot of fellow students, and their professors....NERVOUS! You are making a difference, and the heavenly Host are rejoicing.

svpallava,
That's a new one for me. Thanks.

I am grateful for the many servicemen whose calling to protect the rest of us is enhanced by their Christian understanding of their calling.

A response to Justin
Justin, Your questions are reasonable and well-stated. If I may respond....

You are correct that many scholars place the authorship of the Bible as you stated. However, there are other scholars who date them quite differently. In fact there are many who date the authorship of the New Testament entirely with 100 years after Jesus was born. These are not illiterate Bible thumpers, but men and women who have just as many degrees following their names as the others who disagree. How do you decide which is correct?

Unfortunately, there are limited options. One is to get the same degrees yourself, do the same scholarly research and come to your own conclusions. As you can see, this may or may not lead to the actual truth since many people do the same research in this area and come to different conclusions, all of which cannot be true.

Another option is to listen to the arguments and decide which one 'convinces' you. My observation is that usually people accept the arguments that will support the point of view they have decided they want to believe.

I suggest a third option. Study the Bible for yourself and look for the big truths, rather than concentrate on the wording. Look for the obvious places of agreement rather than trying to find the places of disagreements. If God is trying to use the Bible to speak to humankind, doesn't it make sense that He would work around the human error factor?

I hope you find someone to walk with you and discuss your questions. They are good ones. Keep asking! That's how your find answers.

Thanks, Mike ....
You're commentary came at just the right time for me - a reassurance that God is sees all and the hand of God and my Savior are at work in my life even during my personal tribulation!

A rejoinder to Justin.
I am confused because though you say that the questioner is not necessarily "against the idea in the first place" simply because they "question that which is written," I don't see how the possibility of direct quotation of Jesus centuries later is a viable example. Are you questioning the idea that direct quotation of Christ is "remotely possible"? Or, are you questioning the idea that the writers of the Scriptures actually did so?

While the Bible is written by humans--with all of their foibles and evils--asserting this is a problem of Scripture ignores the Orthodox doctrine of the preservation of God's Word by Himself. While He certainly used humans to write the Scriptures, this doctrine asserts that God Himself made sure that they did not leave out, embellish, or do anything else untruthful or dishonest while writing. We know Scripture is inerrant because God tells us that He doesn't allow it to be any other way. While I know that He allows humans to willingly distort the text for their own selfish ends--i.e. The ill-named "Oxford Annotated Study Bible"--this doesn't make these translations valid or true.

As Augustine said, "Faith is the belief in things unseen; the reward of faith is the seeing of those things." The people of Jonestown were indeed rewarded for putting their faith in the wrong person. Indeed, if they were more "vigilant" it is highly more probable that they wouldn't have been deceived by a charlatan. Further, Christians believe they will be rewarded eventually for their faith in the right Person: Jesus Christ. Putting faith in the word of a infallible Being who is also omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent is not only necessary, but is the only word needed to be spread. If this alienates those who hear it, it is not the Word which is the problem, but their sinful hearts.

Justin
You just lied.
I did not attack you.
I asked you to question your own premise.

Justin
The answer to your question will not be found here. Christians of sincere faith will disagree on God’s word . I am a self described Evangelical Christian but not a Fundamentalist. What separates me from Fundamentalists is that I don’t take all of the Bible literally. Now you would be correct in assuming that the statement I just made is spinning the head of many of my Christian Brothers and Sisters who believe you are not a true Christian if you don’t take the complete Bible literally, but that’s ok. An example is the creation passage in Genesis. The amount of discussion of what the definition of a day is can be interesting but can interfere with the message God is making through Genesis. The definition of a day is not important.

What is important is this. To be a Christian you must believe that Jesus came to earth as the son of God and willingly gave Himself as a sacrifice for your sins. Because he lived a sinless life and is a member of the Trinity He was a worthy sacrifice to accomplish this purpose. You also must confess Jesus is Lord of your life. Believing this sincerely makes you a Christian not a doctorate in Christian Theology. It’s about Faith through the work of the Holy Spirit.

To come to this conclusion you do not need to leave your reason behind. I suggest you read “Mere Christianity” by CS Lewis. You appear to be a very intelligent person and I have been able to convince many friends of mine of the logic of Christian belief through Lewis’s book.

Those Who Quibble and Fuss,
Those who quibble and fuss and pick at tiny, trivial points of grammar and translation would do well to meditate on Christ's words to the Pharisees in Matthew 23. In modern literary terms this would be considered a rant.

The Bible is, all at once, history and prophecy, poetry and biography, legal document and allegory, parable and textbook -- often combined in the same verse at the same time.

So it needs to be read as history when it is history, poetry when it is poetry, textbook when it is textbook, allegory when it is allegory, etc. always with one's mind attuned to the Holy Spirit and welcoming the lessons it brings.

The Thompson Chain Reference Bible, available in several translations, is particularly valuable for topical studies.

John
In your personal tribulation God does His greatest work. I'll say a prayer for you. Your sister in Christ, Joycey

sweet
Now the good professor stands in judge of other’s Christianity. Would anyone like to wager how long before he becomes a full time self-ordained minister in his own made up church. I can just picture it now. No store front for him. He will have a small warehouse all decorated with flags and eagles.

I’m just teasing a little. Actually, I have to agree with him on one major point. I too irritated with self-proclaimed Christians, but in this case, like Dr. Adams. Sure, he finds flaws with how some see Christianity, yet he fails to see the same flaws exist in him also.

He can’t belong to a major organized faith because none have, in his opinion, interpreted Scripture accurately. What this actually means is that in his vanity, he believes that he has the one true vision and it’s just a coincidence that the only other folks that have it right, see things just as he does.

Yes, I believe that Dr. Adams is a Christian and that he does try to be a good one. However, I feel certain that his ego is heavily involved as well.

The truth
Amen

Well now
God determines your fate.Your destiny is up to you.

Free Will
Mike, do you realize that you have adopted the Liberal Christian position concerning Free Will?

You stated:

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When all hell breaks loose in life, each individual is faced with the choice of moving toward the Cross or away from the Cross. Every person in every tumultuous situation chooses one or the other of these two options.
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This is false doctrine and, yes, as with all false doctrine one accepts, one places one's faith and salvation at risk.

Sadly, it has been adopted by the majority of Christians, including the Roman Catholic Church and was part of the key reasons why Martin Luther began the Reformation so many years ago.

His position, which is in full agreement with the early Christian Church Fathers, on Free Will can be found in one of his most famous works:

The Bondage of the Will (Paperback)
by Martin Luther
ISBN-10: 1598562800
ISBN-13: 978-1598562804

and I would encourage you and all others to read it.

Basically, in spiritual matters, there is no free will. We are capable of _only_ rejecting Christ and everything He has done for us. While we certainly do believe, the fact of that belief solely do to God's works in us.

A better summary can be found at:

http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=2652

with supporting Scriptural verses.



einahteb, you confuse ...
emotion with conscious choice. Because you "feel" something appears to make it so, in your world. Adults make choices. I choose to love my wife unconditionally even when I don't "feel" like it. Same goes for my kids. There aren't too many days I would actually get up at 5am and get myself off to work if I lived my feelings.
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One who is swayed, and lives their life, by emotion lives a rollercoaster life and is destined for a sad existence.

Tod Kozeluh
Lexington, KY

Lepato
God has given us the ability to think. Finding the Truth involves asking our own questions and our ability to think. We cannot reach or know God through reason alone, without His revelation, and our own humility. It must be known too that God created the Universe through Jesus. We cannot deny His Power and believe in Who He is. Genesis is foundational to understanding Who God is and the need for Christ. Was a day 24hours long at that point in history. We don't know. He didn't say. But we do have the order of Creation and we do know Who did it. The Bible is to be taken literally at times and at other times not. This involves common sense. Which is also a gift from God. Is there a creature before God with a myriad of eyes or is it symbolic to show forth God's ability to see all. I don't know and neither do you. But I do know that He sees everything. I really believe that you show disdain for people that you should not and have taken your views from someone else instead of actually having a discussion with a believer in God's Word in it's entirety.

Lepanto,
Exactly.

One can be completely confident that the Bible is inerrant while not worrying about minor discrepancies in translation and the innate imprecision of the English language -- especially as it changes meaning through the centuries.

The Ten Commandments are entirely true and yet, they are but a summary of the law and The Law -- any issues arising from the translation of the Hebrew word as "kill" in English are cleared up by the larger context where it is make perfectly clear that what it forbidden is murder -- not the butchering of animals, not the execution of convicted criminals, not the battlefield killing of enemies in time of war, not the killing of an attacker in self-defense, or even the assassination of an enemy commander in time of war.

Take the Bible as a whole, instead of nitpicking over individual verses, and the truth is your reward for the effort of reading and studying it. :)

Excellent column
and with a few notable exceptions, thoughtful comments.

Mike does belonged to a 'major organized faith', it is called Christianity.

He does not belong to a 'denomination', neither did the Apostles, and neither do I (although I generally attend church 3 times a week in addition to both my congregation's Bible study and a community-wide ladies Bible study).

Mike's religion
I should have said, "Mike may not belong to a denomination". I no not know that, I was just answering Mike R's comment.

Joycey
If you felt I showed disdain for Fundamentalist Christians I offer up my sincerest apologies. Many members of my Church who I have great respect for are self described Fundamentalists. They shine Christ’s light through their living example. My point was that many of the doctrinal issues that sincere Christians disagree on are not as important as thousands of unsaved souls heading for eternal damnation. They become doubtful due to our disagreement about things like what the definition of a Day is in Genesis.

I enjoy theological discussions with other believers because whether I’m right or wrong is not as important because as believers we ultimately know we are saved through Jesus Christ. When I am having a theological discussion with an unbeliever I don’t want to win my argument to prove I’m right, I want to prove my argument because I don’t want them to be damned.

No Denomination?
Nonsense.

For those who would claim to belong to no denomination, I would like to point that you do. It is simply a denomination consisting of a single congregation.

For what is a denomination?

It is a simply gather of individual congregations which share the same confessions...i.e. the same explanation of what Scripture has to say.

Sadly, the smaller the denomination one does belongs to today, the easier it is for false doctrines to creep in and corrupt one's faith.

While a large denomination is certainly not immune to such corruption (see what is happening to the Episcopal Church USA), it does offer a better defense to false doctrines.

Something that might be of interest to others is listening to an Issues, Etc. (http://www.issuesetc.org/) episode on this topic:

Denominational Differences
Rev. Erik Rottmann Author “One Christ, Many Creeds”
http://www.issuesetc.org/podcast/Show118121008H1.mp3


Issues, Etc. is an excellent, Christ Centered, Cross Focused radio program - available on iTunes as well.



@eric
I believe the point of those who claim not to belong to a denomination is that they identify first and foremost as Christians, not as Lutherans, or Anglicans, or Methodists...etc.

Keith said,
"If God is trying to use the Bible to speak to humankind, doesn't it make sense that He would work around the human error factor?"

An excellent point to which I would only add (modify?): ..., doesn't it make sense that the Creator of all that is, couldn't He?, to those who seek Him, manage to make available His guide book for how to recieve His promise? (sorry for the clunky sentence)

If the above makes sense, then all one need do is determine which word is the true living Word. "..., and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." To that end, I think it best to focus on the fact that God is a spirit. So, if you observe His creation, and seek the Creator with all of your heart, you will find Him. "The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God." Romans 8:16

Justin and others present well thought out arguments, but they presuppose that God must account for Himself to THEM. "Seek first the kingdom..." There are truly none so lost as those who think themselves found in the truth. Keep trying though. It seems that Jesus has a good servant in you as well as Mr. Adams. God bless.


Self "modification"
"...couldn't He?, to those who seek Him, manage to make available His guide book for how to recieve His promise (in the EXACT text He desires)?" Forgot to finish my own sentence.
Carry on...

Blaming Jews for the Death of Jesus
As a Christian, I am always puzzled by other Christians who condemn Jews for the death of Jesus Christ.

What was the purpose of Jesus Christ’s coming to earth as a man? Was it not to become the redeemer of man, to die, to take with him the sins of all of those who believed in him?

How could this be accomplished if Jesus Christ did not die?

As Jesus Christ foretold many of the events leading to his death, was not he already aware of the fact that the Jews were to turn him over to the Romans? Could Jesus Christ not have walked away and prohibited the Romans from their barbaric deeds and his ultimate death?

Jesus Christ, and GOD, knew and most likely planned the manner in which Jesus Christ would meet his death. The more horrible his death, the greater love he has for man. This being true, then the Jews acted in accordance with the wishes of GOD and therefore are not to be blamed for the death of Jesus Christ. To blame the Jews is to blame GOD, and only a fool blames GOD.

Paula
It’s alright. That information comes from Dr. Adams himself. Otherwise no, you are just playing with semantics. Adams mad it clear why he broke with the Methodists. He is not part of any major organized faith. While Christianity is a major faith and has been organized under several denominations, Adams is not part of an organized movement and is free to interpret Scripture anyway he likes.

The Apostles as well as Jesus didn’t belong to a denomination. They were Jews. Now you being a great Christian, I’m sure you weren’t bragging; so your point about your devotions must be that the Great Truth can be achieved without belonging to a denomination. I agree; that is true. However, the emphasis is on “can be” not “will be”. Subsequently, as a Catholic I yield to the Revelation derived from the thousands of years of study, discussion, devotion and mediation that the Church has done over Scriptures.

In truth, I don’t care what Mike beliefs are. I neither approve nor disapprove. If he claims to be a Christian, than that’s good enough for me. It Is Adams who has the problem with other Christians. Any of you should find flaw with my initial comment. That same flaw exists in Mike’s column as well.

Enigma47
Who, among modern Christians, blames living Jews -or any Jews besides the ones (Judas, Pilate, etc.) who actually sold Jesus out- for the death of Christ?

Also, God new the serpent would tempt Eve and he still cursed the serpent.

Question: When God said, "Where are you?" do you really think He didn't know where Adam was?

Liberal Christians
It never ceases to amaze me how Liberal Christians edit the Bible for their own comfort, only to be miserable without their Savior's guidance and strength.

Thank you for your insight and willingness to share your convictions.

Blessings on the most sacred holiday.

Merry CHRISTmas!!!!!

Liberal Christians
Liberal Christianity and liberalism itself has one common thread...there is no truth in either.

I would disagree with you on one thing you wrote. We (humans) are not all God's "children". We are His creation. We become God's children when we repent and turn to Christ for salvation. John chapter one makes this crystal clear as do the words of Jesus who told the pharisees they were the children of their "father" the devil.

False teachers/preachers like Osteen and Warren water down the Gospel and make it more palatable to fallen mankind. Yet the gospel they preach cannot save; it only deceives.

Come, Thou Fount of every blessing,
Tune my heart to sing Thy grace;
Streams of mercy, never ceasing,
Call for songs of loudest praise.
Teach me some melodious sonnet,
Sung by flaming tongues above.
Praise the mount! I’m fixed upon it,
Mount of Thy redeeming love.

Sorrowing I shall be in spirit,
Till released from flesh and sin,
Yet from what I do inherit,
Here Thy praises I'll begin;
Here I raise my Ebenezer;
Here by Thy great help I’ve come;
And I hope, by Thy good pleasure,
Safely to arrive at home.

Jesus sought me when a stranger,
Wandering from the fold of God;
He, to rescue me from danger,
Interposed His precious blood;
How His kindness yet pursues me
Mortal tongue can never tell,
Clothed in flesh, till death shall loose me
I cannot proclaim it well.

O to grace how great a debtor
Daily I’m constrained to be!
Let Thy goodness, like a fetter,
Bind my wandering heart to Thee.
Prone to wander, Lord, I feel it,
Prone to leave the God I love;
Here’s my heart, O take and seal it,
Seal it for Thy courts above.

O that day when freed from sinning,
I shall see Thy lovely face;
Clothed then in blood washed linen
How I’ll sing Thy sovereign grace;
Come, my Lord, no longer tarry,
Take my ransomed soul away;
Send thine angels now to carry
Me to realms of endless day.

Glad that Adams is so comforted
I am glad that Adams is so comforted by his religion. But, I guess that I am a liberal Christian when it comes to homosexuality. No amount of praying and saying the rosary will make me heterosexual.

Liberal Christianity has no truth in it
Liberal Christianity and liberalism itself has one common thread...there is no truth in either.

I would disagree with you on one thing you wrote. We (humans) are not all God's "children". We are His creation. We become God's children when we repent and turn to Christ for salvation. John chapter one makes this crystal clear as do the words of Jesus who told the pharisees they were the children of their "father" the devil.

False teachers/preachers like Osteen and Warren water down the Gospel and make it more palatable to fallen mankind. Yet the gospel they preach cannot save; it only deceives.

Come, Thou Fount of every blessing,
Tune my heart to sing Thy grace;
Streams of mercy, never ceasing,
Call for songs of loudest praise.
Teach me some melodious sonnet,
Sung by flaming tongues above.
Praise the mount! I’m fixed upon it,
Mount of Thy redeeming love.

Sorrowing I shall be in spirit,
Till released from flesh and sin,
Yet from what I do inherit,
Here Thy praises I'll begin;
Here I raise my Ebenezer;
Here by Thy great help I’ve come;
And I hope, by Thy good pleasure,
Safely to arrive at home.

Jesus sought me when a stranger,
Wandering from the fold of God;
He, to rescue me from danger,
Interposed His precious blood;
How His kindness yet pursues me
Mortal tongue can never tell,
Clothed in flesh, till death shall loose me
I cannot proclaim it well.

O to grace how great a debtor
Daily I’m constrained to be!
Let Thy goodness, like a fetter,
Bind my wandering heart to Thee.
Prone to wander, Lord, I feel it,
Prone to leave the God I love;
Here’s my heart, O take and seal it,
Seal it for Thy courts above.

O that day when freed from sinning,
I shall see Thy lovely face;
Clothed then in blood washed linen
How I’ll sing Thy sovereign grace;
Come, my Lord, no longer tarry,
Take my ransomed soul away;
Send thine angels now to carry
Me to realms of endless day.

swampy
Try keeping your hoo hoo dilly out of other men's bung holes. That should set you on the right course. Please with the gay crap.

great column
Mike, you'de make a fine Catholic. Practicing Catholics try to embrace the Cross.

Thanks Jack
.................

rightwingmom
It never ceases to amaze me how conservative Christians also edit the Bible for their own comfort, only to be miserable with their Savior's guidance and strength.

Dr. Adams isn’t sharing any insights. He’s preaching the Gospel according to Adams

Also, Easter is the most sacred holiday to Christians

A couple of funny things about

Christians, they are all experts about what the Bible teaches and they mostly all disagree with each other on the subject.

This is the greatest scandal in Christianity.

Jesus prayed to His Father that "All might be one as You and I are One".

Explain your disagreements anyway you like. For true Christians, the disagreements are a scandal.

The dude
Every self proclaimed liberal Christian I’ve ever met has told me they believe that Jesus is the Son of God who died on the Cross for our sins and then rose again. They also claim He is their Savior.

Are you saying that there is no truth in those statements or that your stereotyping based on personal bias is wrong?

MikeR
Why are they defining themselves as liberal Christians? Usually a liberal Christian is defined as someone that does not believe the Bible is God's Word.

Swampfox
Why do you call yourself a Christian? Are you declaring your sinfulness?

MikeR,

the devil know Jesus died on the Cross for the sins of mankind and rose again. The devil knows Jesus is mankind's Savior. This knowledge does not benefit the devil at all.




Swampfox
Do you want me to say your that sin is okay but other sins are not okay?

Swampfox,
"No amount of praying and saying the rosary will make me heterosexual."

That's quite true. No amount of formalistic prayers and rituals will change anything.

But a sincere yielding to God's will inside your heart -- without clinging to a core of resentful, prideful insistence on your own will in the matter -- and a complete turning away from sinful sexual activity to embrace holy celibacy will either yield that very regeneration OR it will yield the peace of accepting that you have a "thorn in the flesh" to bear and the ability to bear it through God's grace to God's glory.

eddie too
Does the Devil claim Jesus is his Savior too? If not then your comparison is erroneous.

MikeR

the point is if knowledge or faith in Christ does not transform the believer's life it a dead faith. Dead faith does not save.


Joycey
That’s a problem when we have different definitions for things. However, I think you will find that many folks here including Dr. Adams define “liberal Christian” much more loosely than you do. But ask around if you like. I believe it's more a matter of secular policy. For example, can a real Christian have voted for Obama?

Christian nation.
All this interesting theological discussion brings up a question. If the United States is a Christian nation, what sort of Christianity is it? Is it based on free will or predestination? Do the faithful need a mediator between them and God, or can they approach him directly? Which is the true Bible. Is the creation story literal truth, or is it a parable. When is Christmas, December 25 or January 7 (new style)? Or do we just agree to disagree and run secular affairs as if they are secular.

MikeR
Liberal politics and a liberal view of scripture are 2 different things.
Though a person that takes a liberal view of scripture usually takes a liberal view of politics.

Swampfox
Mother of 4 is correct.
When the Holy Spirit comes to live in your heart you are drawn to please God rather than self.

Without the Holy Spirit is a person a believer?

joycey
Are you actually trying to have a conversation with MikeR? What a tireless and miserable idiot.

Jack
I’d be hesitant to call me such things in light of your inability to counter even my most simple arguments.

You comment in general though demonstrates an important aspect of this debate. You are a conservative yet you display attribute that are commonly assessed to liberals around here.

Jack
Wait, it just occurred to me that I’ve never written to you before. You aren’t that insufferable loser None, are you? He tries to debate, calls names when he finds his argument shot full of holes and then runs away instead of facing how far he put his foot in his mouth.

Hi Frank!
You obviously do not understand what a personal relationship with our savior is. Mike is right, and if you really heed his words you will find that relationship. If that is not a path you want to take, you may want to stop reading his columns because these are unalterable facts in his life.
Those of us who do have a relationship with the savior, not only understand what the point of the column is, we wholheartedly agree with it.

Mr. Adams was
once an atheist and now a Christian. Who's to say 5 years from now he won't be a Buhdist and a Muslim 10 years after that?

These religious discussions are so pointless. Nobody knows what the afterlife will hold until they take the long dirt nap.

Believe what you want to believe, but why can't you keep it to yourself?

sjpatejak
We are a Judeo Christian Nation whose moral and legal foundation stems from belief in the Bible’s first 5 books. Whether a devout Jew, Mormon, Catholic, or Protestant your moral/legal code stems primarily from these 5 books. The areas you mention of contention between Christian denominations have little to do with the governing of our nation. I would put to you that a devout person from the groups I mentioned would all universally agree on most moral and legal issues due to a foundation in these 5 books.

The friction is not with the religious but with the secular of our society. Those whose morality stems only from what is legal. The religious person understands that just because an individual has a right to an action it does not make it right. Should the secular view become the majority opinion I suspect we will not remain a free nation very long.

scott
Oh,keep your beliefs to yourself!

Scott
Dr. Adams is a columnist.

Dr. Adams writes columns.

Dr. Adams writes columns on a variety of subjects, including religion.

When we poor ignorant neocon Christians complain about movies or TV, we are told, "Just don't watch."

How about following the same advice: "Just don't read Dr. Adams's columns.

Scott,
If you think that a person can keep his religion/philosophy to himself you have no clue what it means to believe.

If you accept a religion it will and MUST affect your every word and action. If it does not then you have little claim to any but the most trivial and superficial understanding of that religion.

And that goes for ANY belief system, whether traditionally religious such as Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, Judaism, Paganism in the Druidic, Wiccan, or Norse tradition, Voodoo, Shinto, etc. or a non-spiritual philosophy such as Confucianism, Marxism, Secular Humanism, etc.

If you believe, you will act on your beliefs. If you speak, your words will be colored by your beliefs.

Your understanding of Truth will be revealed in all your words and acts. It is entirely possible for anyone to "keep it to yourself" and utterly ridiculous for anyone else to ask you to do that.

To Lepanto
Lepanto writes, " Should the secular view become the majority opinion I suspect we will not remain a free nation very long." We are multi-religious society with a lot of different religions. I can only pray that we don't ever become a theocracy. That said, everyone has to the right to vote according to their beliefs.

Thank you to Mike Adams
Thanks for the reminder of our need to remember that we are sinners saved by God's grace. If we would remember that God loves us, perhaps we could genuinely love others without thoughts of what do I get out of this.

To geast
Geast writes, "Thanks for the reminder of our need to remember that we are sinners saved by God's grace. If we would remember that God loves us, perhaps we could genuinely love others without thoughts of what do I get out of this." I certainly can't disagree with you.

Sea of Faces
Amen, brother

I don't understand your dichotomy...
Although I have no reason to think that you will read this, I feel compelled to comment.

I consider myself to be politically moderate-to-liberal... but this has NO effect on my understanding of Jesus' crucifixion as the most important event in history. But I also won't forget the lessons of self-denial, forgiveness, and others-centered-ness that Christ taught in his lifetime, lessons which induce me to lean left when I enter the voting booth. I understand that the same faith may induce others to lean right. This should not stop us from worshiping together!

I am a liberal Christian and I love the cross. You see, that's the only place where almighty God visits my pain.

"The Jews killed Christ"
I'm sorry, but being Jewish, I have to protest this as nonsense. Some historic people who were Jewish had a role in the killing of Christ. I did not. Thank you.

We all killed Christ
.

Orientation
Without disorientation, there is no new or reorientation. Without the crappy stuff happening in our lives, there is no growth. When we lament to God and complain to Him we grow and our relationship develops. He can take anything we say to Him. He is the Cosmic Gardener. I like this column a lot. Thanks again Dr. Adams!

Jesus was a Jew.
The Jewish leaders, inciting a Jewish mob, convinced a Roman prefect to allow for Roman soldiers to crucify a Jewish man.

Who killed Jesus? Let's see in Scripture:
The Romans did.
The Jews did.
Jesus laid down his own life.
God the Father passed judgment on him.
The sins of the world were laid on him, requiring judgment.
The elect are healed through his stripes.

Enough? Just because certain people were more directly involved does not mean anyone is innocent.

To say that the story of Good Friday is anti-Semitic is folly. Remember, the disciples were all Jews themselves. The Church started in Jerusalem, the Jewish capital. For the first decade after Jesus' resurrection virtually all believers were Jews.

The Jews as a people are not to blame. Only a select few of the religious leaders were actually directly involved.

And we all need forgiveness.

Mike

Amen Pastor !
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