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Tuesday, December 09, 2008
Mike Adams :: Townhall.com Columnist
Deck the Heels With Boughs of Holly
by Mike Adams
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The anti-Christmas lunacy that has been sweeping the nation has made its latest stop in Chapel Hill, North Carolina. Wilson and Davis libraries at UNC-Chapel Hill have for years been adorned with Christmas trees. But thanks to the associate provost of university libraries, Sarah Michalak, that tradition is about to be broken – you guessed it, all in the name of tolerance. Who was it that said the provost of university libraries doesn’t do important things!?

Michalak is claiming that her decision is based on several years’ worth of complaints made by people who were offended by the Christmas display. In other words, the Christophobic bigots that have made UNC-CH their home have pestered Michalak into removing the tree. They made life just hard enough for her to capitulate and order the removal of a simple Christmas tree.

There’s only one way to deal with university administrators like Michalak who make decisions based on convenience, not principle. We need to make things very inconvenient for them when they act in unprincipled ways. That’s why I sent Michalak a fax and email this morning saying “Christophobia is a Social Disease.” And I’m asking the hundreds of thousands of people who will read this column today to do the same with the following information:

Fax: 919-843-8936
Email: smichala@email.unc.edu

Michalak told The Charlotte Observer that getting rid of the Christmas tree was not an easy decision. So she asked for moral guidance from Duke University – a school that hired a transvestite to stick a sparkler in his rectum while singing the “Star Spangled Banner.” She found out that Duke didn’t have a Christmas tree. Maybe they couldn’t afford one after paying legal judgments to several students falsely characterized as rapists by dozens of tenured professors.

Associate Provost Michalak was quoted by the Observer as saying “libraries are places where information from all corners of the world and all belief systems is offered without judgment. Displaying one particular religion's symbols is antithetical to that philosophy.”

This is as dumb a statement as I have heard in the last two days, which, by the way, was the last time I was in my office in the UNC system. Most people would assume that there is an easy remedy to the problem of a library representing only one belief system when one is supposed to represent many:  The library can just add more belief systems.

But Michalak tells the Observer the following: “We strive in our collection to have a wide variety of ideas. It doesn't seem right to celebrate one particular set of customs.” In other words, for Michalak, there is an easy remedy to the problem of representing only one belief system when one is supposed to represent many: Add even less belief systems until you don’t represent any!

Michalak was asked by the Observer the number of university library employees who had complained over the few years since she took the position at UNC. She said it was “at least a dozen.”

Maybe Associate Provost Michalak, with all her degrees and the authority of her position fails to understand a simple truth: She works for the taxpayers of North Carolina. And so do her religiously bigoted underlings.

As a North Carolina taxpayer, I’m tired of funding an assault on my own religious values by paying the university salaries of people not capable of solving real problems in the real world. So I hope you’ll join me in sending twelve faxes and emails a day until Michalak decides that life won’t be easy as long as she sides with those who oppose true religious freedom and tolerance.

Some may hesitate to send a fax or email citing objections rooted in the notion of Separation of Church and State. But those objections must be viewed in light of the UNC decision to assign a Muslim prayer book to freshmen less than a year after the 911 attacks. The students were not allowed to choose a prayer book from a list of “all belief systems.” They were only allowed to “celebrate one particular set of customs.”

Students read the Muslim prayer book, which was meant to teach them that Islam is a “religion of peace” – of course, this was done by editing out all the portions about killing Christians and Jews. A couple of years later, a Muslim student attempted to murder numerous “infidels” by driving his SUV through the “pit” – a popular gathering place in the middle of the UNC campus.

The Muslim male who tried to kill his fellow students later admitted that he was motivated by religious bigotry. It’s time for UNC library employees to admit the same.

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Mike Adams is a criminology professor at the University of North Carolina Wilmington and author of Feminists Say the Darndest Things: A Politically Incorrect Professor Confronts "Womyn" On Campus.
 
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And Where, Pray Tell, Is The Front Line?
If there is this so-called "War on Christmas", where is the main front lines of such a war? In order for there to be a war, there has to be actual warfare, which means an act of physical aggression must be applied to a person or object that causes violence or destruction of physical property, private or public. Nobody has shot their AK-47s at Santy Claus and his reindeer, and as far as I can tell, there has yet to be an improvised explosion of a nativity scene.

Honestly, you sadden me when you buy into the lies of these so-called Christian groups (like Focus On The Family, AFA, Liberty Counsel, etc.) who denigrate the real meaning of Christmas and their Christian heritage. As the cousin-in-law of a Christian pastor, I think he would say that what this is would be a scam that seems real only because no one has connected the dots. Once you do, though, you will know the truth that these isolated incidents are nothing more than ridiculous episodes in the ongoing story of the United States of America.

Re: The Frontline
Class, today's word is "metaphor." As for the real frontline, see "Bombings in Mumbai," "9-11" and/or "what Holocaust?"

The7Sticks
Son, chasing someone out of the public square is hateful. One does not have to shoot or bomb to express the hate. If it gets to that point then the term 'metaphor' will be retired from this particular debate.

Here's the text of the note ...
.. I emailed to Michalak:

"I'm as strong an atheist as you could ever encounter. ***I don't even like the idea of a god or gods.***

"Nevertheless, I recognize that this is a nation established by Christians and that their Christianity was important in creating the society we live in. It is, in fact, a superb society for atheists, too -- probably the best environment for atheists in the history of civilizations.

"So, despite the fact that I don't share their views on ultimate questions, I've never been the least upset by Christmas displays, whether on private or public property.

"Let us be realistic and clear: Non-Christians in this country who let themselves be offended by Christmas displays on public property are, at root, self-indulgent navel-gazers who are clueless about this society and all that it does for them.

"Your proper course is to tell those complaining to you about their hurt feelings engendered by Christmas trees on the UNC campus that they need to grow up."

7sticks needs to remove the 8th from his
*** and tell us what the "real"meaning of christmas is! while he's at it, take a look at organizations like the ACLU and people for the american way for proof of the ongoing assault on christianity by the "offended" crowd!

War
See 2 a, b and c.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/war

Merry Christmas Dr. Adams!
Having said that in my normal, non-PC way, the emails and faxes are on the way to Mizz Michalak.

I also urge all TH readers to send the ACLU a Christmas card this year. Make sure it is a Christmas card, not some lame happy holidays card. They have to open them, they never know which may contain a donation.

If they get a million or two Christmas cards maybe they will get the message. If not, they will have to pay a small fortune for plastic bags and trash disposal. Their address is below.

ACLU
125 Broad Street
18th Floor
New York, NY 10004

Paul
I like the way you think...to bad all the other "intolerants" don't get why they can be atheist, agnostic, etc...People who claim offense to such symbols are just bitter and hateful and need something to bittch about. It is a shame that UNC has such a bent to agree with the mindset in a nation founded for religion(or not).

I Guess They'll be Working Christmas Day
My email to Ms Michalak (salary roughly $223K/yr)and the new Chancellor Holden Thorp is below. I got useless response from Thorp about all the Christian decorations he sees when he walks around the campus, the same statement he issued to the press. Real leadership on display ...

Chancellor Thorp and Ms Michalak:

If your library employees are so offended by Christian decorations, it is likely they are also offended by their Christian holiday vacation time. Everyone who complained ought to be working the entire week of Christmas.
You both can set the pace by showing up for work yourselves. After all, "libraries are places where information from all corners of the world and all belief systems is offered without judgment. Displaying Christian symbols is antithetical to that philosophy", right? Then closing a library an entire week for a Christian holiday is equally antithetical to that philosophy.

A Disgusted North Carolina Taxpayer Funding Your Generous Salaries

Email Sent
Since I live in NC,

"Why are my tax dollars being used to promote Anti-Christian bigotry in the UNC libraries?

Put up those trees and tell the bigots who complain that they need to develop some tolerance and respect for other cultures instead of forcing believers to live in the closet."

Andrea,
Very good letter there.

I'll send them a copy of my atheist's challenge:

Its time for atheists to back up their words with actions:

First, refuse to take days off work for religious holidays. If your place of employment is closed on Thanksgiving and Christmas bring home the backlog of stuff that's gathered on your desk and spend your usual 8 hours working diligently just as if you were in the office.

Second, refuse all invitations to holiday celebrations including family gatherings. Hold onto your secular principles and insist that you'll gather with family for purely sentimental reasons on a randomly chosen date that has NO religious connotations of any kind. Find your own day to claim. BE as secular as you say you are and if you think Winter wants celebrating throw a party on February 9th.

Third, as part of your commitment to act on your secular principles give no Christmas gifts and accept no Christmas gifts. Yes, your kids will be upset that their friends have a ton of new stuff, but that's where the sacrifice part comes in. Don't forget to send back everything anyone gives you unopened with a note explaining your principles. That includes giving back the Christmas bonus, turkey, ham, etc. that your fellow employees are getting.

I won't hold my breath waiting to hear of even one atheist willing to do it. My experience is that those who scream against God during the holidays want the goodies even as the reject the God whom those holidays honor.

War
7sticks, I would suggest that you read Sun Tzu on the art of war before you begin to pontificate on the meaning of war.
Read it more than once. You might learn something.

andrea
Excellent post.The ignorance of that librarian is astounding

Hypocrites
Let's see how tolerant the secularist left becomes when no recognition or display is allowed on campus for Dr. Martin Luther King or Caesar Chavez or Robert Kennedy or John Lennon or Earth Day or ... Any chance of that occurring? No. There would be outrage by the faculty and administration flacks.

Andrea
Your wonderful letter brought me out of my head-scratching funk. I don't know which is worse -- that UNC persists in its longstanding anti-Christian bigotry or that one of its high officials turned to Duke, of all places, for advice.

By the way, Duke still has a divinity school, whose "mission is to engage in spiritually disciplined and academically rigorous education in service and witness to the Triune God." I wonder whether Christmas decorations are tolerated there.

What a strange world we inhabit.


Freedom
Well actually for Ms Michalak to hold out for a dozen complainers makes her kind of gutsy compared to my city which caved to one complaint from a non resident when traditionally a cross was raised during our Fourth of July celebration, thanking God for our nation.
We couldn't get enough people together to stop this stupidity, but hopefully people will wake up across this nation to see what is happening to our freedoms and the acknowledgment of the source of those freedoms which is basic Christianity.

A Christmas Tree?
Wasn't the Christmas Tree originally a pagan symbol warding off the winter solstice? Those offended should be dancing around it, not loathing it. The should be celebrating its original meaning.
Just a bunch of narrow minded bigots that tolerate nothing but their own thoughts and those that only think like them.

The offensive part is that
many people today actually think they have a guaranteed right to NOT be offended.

Mine are going through now
I just pasted Andrea's message "Chancellor Thorp and Ms Michalak:

If your library employees are so offended by Christian decorations, it is likely they are also offended by their Christian holiday vacation time. Everyone who complained ought to be working the entire week of Christmas.
You both can set the pace by showing up for work yourselves. After all, "libraries are places where information from all corners of the world and all belief systems is offered without judgment. Displaying Christian symbols is antithetical to that philosophy", right? Then closing a library an entire week for a Christian holiday is equally antithetical to that philosophy." and I am in the process of faxing it 12 times FOR TODAY. Well said, Andrea. As a former academic at ECU in the UNC system, it sickens me that 12 EMPLOYEES can hold all students in the system hostage over their complaints. Just goes to show you that Michalak agrees with the complainers because she has been infected with the Marxist multicultural gibberish that passes for enlightened discourse at universities these days. I wonder how many of the books in the library she has actually read? I bet she hasn't read the FEDERALIST PAPERS.


Your moniker 7 Sticks
Are those the sticks you are throwing to do your I Ching ritual? And, "cousin-in-law" to a pastor? Huh? Can Christianity filter that far to infect you....or just make you an expert on Christians and their quaint customs? If your cousin-in-law thinks attacks on Christmas are just "ridiculous episodes in the ongoing story of the USA" then he's been infected too. He should resign as a pastor. I think the main qualification for that job is to spread the Gospel, a job that he is obviously unqualified to do.

Christmas trees aren't "Christian"
The Modern "Christmas tree" came from a druid festival held around the end of the year. The Christians took the Christmas tree and claimed it christian to destroy the druid religion.

Also December 25 was originally a pagan holiday of lust and excess. Again the Christians claimed the date in an attempt to destroy the pagan religions.

So, A good christian would explain this to the library and tell them they are really embracing three religions by celebrating what Society at large now calls Christmas.

Even Townhall helps to
encourage this myth regarding the right to not be offended. Every post can be "Flagged as Offensive" and if enough people flag a comment, it will be "removed" from the public view.

actually
Dr. Adams does have a point. The way we deal with religious holidays is becoming a bigger problem. But upon calm deliberation, what is the solution Adams offers? Act more aggressively and worse than the opposition. Of course the immediate irony is that there is moral integrity in using the tactics of the immoral; but in this case we see that not only is no viable solution offered, Adams doesn’t want one in the first place. He offers only the religious dominance that the opposition objected to in the first place.

Consider this; the “Christophobics” claim they are offended by Christian displays in public space and/or see it as an attempt to force Christianity on them. Their answer is to remove all such displays. Their response to any who object is to sit down and be quiet.

Dr. Adams’ claim is that Christians are offended by the prohibition on their displays and/or see it as an attempt to force atheism on them. His response to any who object is to sit down and be quiet.

Folks, this is why this problem continues to grow instead of resolve. I am not suggesting any type of capitulation, nor do I believe in reasoning with the extreme element of either side. I would prefer that all could display openly instead on none, but I can’t see any group receiving preferential treatment.

The bottom line for this column is that Adams doesn’t seek answers. He is the consummate hypocrite in that he so often behaves like those he decries. I don’t know about his teaching career, but his career as a commentator is based on stirring up his audience and fleecing the suckers known as his fans.

Re: Christmas Tree
Sent 12/9/08:

Really? You're serious with this? Well at least now maybe we won't have to listen to how tolerate you are, because now you've exposed yourself as a fraud. But, I am sure you will still pat yourself on the back for your "tolerance" and "acceptance."

A traditional holiday tree doesn't stop one student from accessing millions of different ideas, faiths and moral values found in the million of books on your library shelves.

Its a Christmas tree-- not a cross, not a sermon, and no one is required to pledge allegiance to the big bad Christmas tree just to check out a library book--get over yourself.



And Merry Christmas by the way. And Happy Hanukkah. And Happy Kwanzaa. & sincerely: have a Happy New Year.



See! Its not so hard to be tolerant. (See definition)

tol·er·ant

adj.

Inclined to tolerate the beliefs, practices, or traits of others; forbearing. See Synonyms at broad-minded.


Thank you for your time,



-signed-

UNC-CH and Christmas
Long ago a reporter was interviewing Senator Jesse Helms about some activity on his part to help the state economy grow. At the time NC had just established a zoo at Ashboro, NC. The reporter asked Jesse what he thought of the zoo. His reply was the state did not need a zoo in Ashboro, all the state needed to do for a zoo was a fence around Chapel Hill. I think that about sums up Chapel Hill.

western bondbeam
Do you happen to recall the last time you saw "Offensive comment removed." in a comment thread on TH?

I thought not.


NUTS!!!
This is what I say to those who try to make me / us not recognize and celebrate our heritage & traditions! Ain't going to happen; at least with me! So MERRY CHRISTMAS to one and all! A HAPPY NEW YEAR too! And a great 4TH OF JULY, etc.!!!

Back when I was in college . . .
. . . at Wake Forest, I was put off by the bumper stickers that read "If God is not a Tarheel, why is the sky Carolina Blue?" While the slogan was clever, I thought it to be more than a bit presumptuous.

But now we find that the Tarheels appear to not even want God. After all, a staggering mob of twelve people on a campus of only thirty thousand are offended by even secular symbols that bring to mind thoughts of Jesus Christ. Still, the sky is the same shade of blue. Perhaps God is a UCLA Bruin? Naw, that couldn't be. That bowl of granola (for you lefties out there, that means UCLA is full of fruits, nuts, and flakes) rejected the Almighty years ago.

Anyway, last time I spent any significant time in Chapel Hell, I was offended by a sight I was forced to see. While in the restroom of the Donor's Room before the Wake-Carolina basketball game in 1995 (the Deacons, led by Timmy Duncan, smoked Rasheed Wallace and the Heels that night), I was treated to watching a balding, mid-fifties gentleme--er--male walk up to the urinal, pull up his black pencil skirt, pull down his pantyhose, and do his business. A very smart, off-the-shoulder, pink sweater and basic black pumps rounded out his ensemble. A visual inspection of the rest of those in the room revealed no one, except me, to even seemed to notice this, er, guy.

So, let's review, students: Cross-dressed freak? Diversity! A secular decoration commemorating a a religious holiday? Offensive!

At least in Chapel Hell.

Christmas Tree
If the White House can have one, why can't UNC-CH?

My email to Ms. Michalack
Hey Mike,

This is the text of my email to Ms. Michalak. Anyone who would like may copy and paste the text as you desire:

"Ms. Michalak,

This country was founded on Christian Principals and the founding documents were drafted and approved based on those same Christian Principals. If you will take the time to read the Constitution carefully, specifically the First Amendement, you will not find the words, or concept, of "a separation of chuch and state." They are simply not to be found in the document. Further, unless the University of North Carolina system has become the Congress of the United States, and are in the process of establishing a "Church of the United States," displaying a Christmas tree can in no way, shape, or form be construed as an establishment of a "state" religion, which the First Amendment does expressly forbid Congress from establishing.

I would assume that you have at least one copy of the Constitution available in the library for all of those who complain to peruse. I would further hope that you can point them to the pertinent parts of the Constitution of which they have a complaint.

Your attention in this matter is greatly appreciated. Restore the Christmas tree."

Now, eleven more times and I should have as much standing as those who complained.


Withholding is evil
This argument would not be taking place if UNC were private, would it? Certainly only within UNC itself.

This is why I'm an advocate of the Fairtax. Despite my disagreement with a new federal tax, the idea of getting rid of withholding and all corporate and income taxes is too compelling to ignore. The moral and ethical arguments are strong enough, but the "dollar as vote" moves back to the person that earned it and takes away the politician's ability to game the system by constantly tweaking tax law and consequently reduces their power. There are numerous other advantages both practical and ethical I could cite, but paramount is that once the repeal of withholding is an established fact it becomes clear where the gov't gets its revenue, that is to say from where the market determines it will, not the politicians.

The Fairtax, by getting rid of withholding amounts to a de facto privatization. At this point, those who go to UNC, strictly the consumers of UNC, would then be the only ones with interest and can then determine if they like they the product or not.

Regards and Merry Christmas!





firetoice- new to TH?
Huh? What are you asking me....if I have ever seen a comment get removed? Comments get removed all the time.

They don't announce that they removed it. They simply do it. One second they are there, the next they are gone.

Christmas
MikeR--You have it wrong. Christians have, for years, been turning the other cheek in these cases. We have seen our symbols used in filthy "art" projects; we have seen our churches invaded; we have seen our religion used in SNL skits; we have seen our Christian leaders derided; and we have seen or religion denigrated and ridiculed. Because we have turned the other cheek too many times. We have become sheeple afraid of the ADL and ACLU and the other anti-Christian groups who sue us into keeping quiet. Even our priests and other Christian leaders are forced into acquiesence by the threat of a law suit.
What you as a liberal cannot understand is both the satirical humor in Dr. Adam's commentary and the idea that we, as Christians, must start to defend ourselves. We have been marginalized since 1962 and it is getting worse. Can you, Mike R, tell me society has improved since religion was first forced out of public schools; has our society's moral compass found a good direction in which to turn; has the encroachment of Islam not made the hairs on the back of your cowardly neck stand on end-remember nature abhors a vacuum; has your side shown its tolerance vis a vis towards us; and the greatest gift your tolerance and the removal of Christianity from our society has been the death of an estimated 50 million babies. Wow, that is something to be proud of, eh MikeR? The only reason why this is happening is because the liberal athiests media supports you. They have been your best allie next to the SCOTUS. IF not for them, we would not need Dr. Adams commentary.

Christmas Tree
1) Christmas is a national holiday; the Christmas tree is a widely-recognized and widely-accepted symbol of that holiday.
2) The Constitution of the United States / Bill of Rights declares that “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF; OR ABRIDGING THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH . . . .” Religious holidays and their legitimate symbols certainly should come under the protection of this article.

3) If the White House can have a Christmas tree, why can’t UNC?

With all due respect and good Christian cheer,
-- Born in NC

Shrinque
Best post on the thread so far.

Joyless
What are they teaching these people in Library School these days? Shouldn't librarians be the most tolerant? Wasn't it a librarian in Illinois that made unavailable to investigators paperwork that Obama and William Ayers had worked on together?

Why are 12 complaints too much for this librarian? I worked in a library for 10 years we recieved at least that many complaints a day. When something is free people love to complain.

I'm guessing this woman hates Christmas and joyfulness.

Wow
Did Adams just equate asking to have a Christmas tree removed with driving a van through a quad trying to kill people? Is he going for the stupidest columnest alive award?

I really don't care if State schools have Christmas trees up in their libraries. Of course it is not really approriate for a government organization to be endorsing one religion, and there is little reason why Christianity needs the help of government endorsement, but this is such a minor issue that it is hard to take seriously the people who get so worked up over it. Christmas trees are, after all, a pagan adaptation which Christians used to make their religion more palatable.

But the war on christian people really are unhinged. I suppose the non-christians among us should be thankful for people like Adams for making the silly people on our side look good by comparison.

Mike, Thanks, here is the text that I
sent:

"Did you get your degree in Stupidity? You would rather side with the intolerant 2% and offend 80% by bowing to the intolerance of immature Christophobic imbeciles. I am sure you are proud of yourself for your ability to cower and shake in the face of those too childish and arrogant to understand what "Freedom OF Religion" means. Hint: it is not freedom FROM religion!



You need to resign from your position of authority as you do not have the sense to carry out the duties of making informed decisions."

I sincerely hope she gets the message!

Coward
My e-mail read, "You are a coward, you should resign. Merry Christmas!" I'll send it everyday, 12 times until December 25th.

Christophobia is a Liberal Disease
Tolerance, Diversity and Inclusiveness MY A$$! Same Old Liberal Nonsense, Hate, Denigration and Prejudice.

quick poll
Quick poll:

Who is more annoying
vote 1
if you think it is the anti-Christmas people
vote 2
if you think it is the pro-Christmas people

1.5

none
First of all, I am not asking anyone to keep quiet or turn the other cheek. Now as to your comment. That depends on what you mean by years. When I was a child, any outward display other than protestant could result in derision. Even being a Catholic was considered sub-standard in many circles. In more recent times, the situation has reversed. My position is that it was wrong then and it is wrong now.

As for most of your examples, only the weakest of faiths could be bothered by the few example of what you describe. And it is but a tiny fraction compared to the pro-Christian material. If you drive through Wilmington, you will see billboards and signs with Christian messages and imagery, but you won’t find a single example of the “filthy” art you decry. I can turn on my Comcast right now and find 3 channels currently running Christian programming yet not be able to find a single skit poking fun at religion even though some televangelists are just asking for it with their antics.

They only legal actions have been to stop the most egregious of religious steamrollers from running over the few. In truth, you have very little to tolerate yet your response, like Adams’ is for the opposition to sit down and take it. I always find it odd when someone wants the other side to do what they refuse to do themselves.

none
The rest of your comment shows your true colors as something other than a conservative. What folks like you can’t understand that being a conservative is more than owning guns and praying as loud as possible in public. Adams is not offering humor or satire. His rhetoric is meant to excite, and his listing emails and fax numbers provides a target for the herd.

Yes, you have become a sheeple as you seem to be unable to think for yourself and go along whole heartedly with whatever Dr. Adams dictates. You feel compelled to defend yourself because what you claim is your faith is too weak to stand alone.

Finally, yes, our society has improved since 1962; certainly not in all ways, but in many. As all reasonable people know, each time has its own good points and bad points. Over all, I prefer the world of today to that of what I witnessed of the 50


And no, the encroachment of Islam does not frighten me at all. It’s funny that you should call me a coward when you’re the one who’s afraid. But then, your hypocrisy is reinforced by your conclusion. Yes, nature abhors a vacuum. That vacuum is the lack of change which you prefer. If the left has sown intolerance, how is your showing intolerance make you any better than them? And if your lack of tolerance is reasonable, why isn’t theirs? And of course you must play your one and only card, abortion. I’m willing to bet that you have no problem with the death of children when it suits you. No, I’ve never thought I had much to show pride in other than raising my children. However, you have given me one thing. I’m proud I’m not a reactionary hypocrite like you. I don’t need Dr. Adams commentary, but you certainly do. How else are you going to know what to think?


Chuck
Thanks for proving my point about Adams’ intentions. I knew I could count on someone to brag about it.

When You Make Assumptions
Why is everyone assuming none of the 12 complaints received were from Christians? There is a sizable minority of evangelical fundamentalists in the South who recognize the Christmas Tree as a pagan carry-over and remember the passage in Jeremiah forbidding the faithful to deck trees in silver and gold as the heathens do. Ever think that some complainers weren't objecting to the Christianity of the trees, but the paganism?

Bah Humbug !
Sent to her this morning:

Dear Ms. Michalak,

In a democratic Republic where the wishes of the majority prevail, when did the "right to not be offended" by other people's choices become established? [Especially in a university setting!?] And how did you acquire the authority in your position to honor the complaints of the few over the wishes and tradition of the many?

I do not know you so have no respect to lose, however I lose respect for the University and its judgement in selecting a person like you for a post within their system. I believe your skills would be better suited to bureau level civil servant employment, where good judgement and wisdom are not criteria.

Bah humbug !

Give us the address for the head of UNC!
Mike, writing the brain-dead fool at the library is pointless. Give us the e-mail address for the head of UNC-CH. Flood that idiot's office with complaints; flood the local newspapers with complaints. THAT is what will get the morons at UNC's attention, and hopefully change things.

christmas tree
Dear Ms Michalak looks like your true feelings about christmas is out, you can not be a beliver in christ,so i put you in the Atheists group out of the closet.i used to havea lot of respect for chapel hill but i have none how.

A national holiday?
I always thought that Christmas and Thanksgiving were NATIONAL HOLIDAYS!

It is amazing to me how many people are so willing to SURRENDER our rights of free speech and religious freedom because they can't tolerate the alleged complaints of a few over zealous anti-religious whinebags. They think nothing of sending young men and women off to war to risk their lives for those same freedoms that they are so generously and ignorantly casting aside.

This nation is giving away our freedom in the name of political correctness. In reality, it's political corruptness. It's disgusting!

Rita, you're right
If the White House can have a Christmas tree, why can't UNC?

If UNC is a public university, ie supported by tax dollars, then a religious display is wrong. You are using tax dollars from people who are not of your faith to advance your faith in the public arena. 1st amendment.

If the tree is ceremonial in the same way the phrase "In God We Trust" is, then that is why the White house gets to have a tree.

Take your pick for a rationale.

Pagan Trees?
If the Christmas tree has meaning for pagans and Christians, it seems like the perfect symbol. Interpret it for your own purposes, and enjoy!

MikeR
You are too sick/deluded/brain damaged to argue with. How do you get up in the morning filled with such hate and loathing?
A child could have written your last post. You do not read another's opinion you only react with whatever has been inculcated into your brain. Pity.
You have no shame to use as an argument that you think I think killing babies is okay in any manner. Dude, that is sick. As for the rest of your circular argument, again a child could make a better stand.
What a choice line that you are not afraid of Islam. You bet I am afraid. I am afraid that idiots like you will allow Islam into this nation. And then we'll see how far you go in criticizing Islam's complete takeover of our government and society.
Truly to argue with the ignorant is like shooting spit wads at a brick wall in the hopes it will fall down. Useless!

Stiring the pot
I've thought about this some and decided some radical action is required! I think we should un-couple Christmas from the Christian celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ! What I think we should do is have a separate national holiday to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ, the man, and leave Christmas where it is as a "cultural" celebration of the "season" (kinda like Kwanza and Martin Luther King day). The reverend King would be the first, as a devout Christian minister, to support a day for Jesus' birthday. Might be hard for our schools to get away with the business of "hiding" Christmas as the "winter break" or "winter holiday" as they do now. Of course, Christians would still attach the Christ significance to Christmas and others would join in as appropriate. Christians would have a day to celebrate the birth of Jesus, properly recognized.

If you read the proclamation establishing Christmas Day as a national holiday, it is actually called "CHRISTMAS", and I get steamed when others say they cannot show preference and then avoid the actual recognition of said national holiday by calling it "winter break" or "winter holiday"!

I realize my suggestion is radical....radical times call for radical thoughts! LOL Even our Muslim friends recognize Jesus, the man, throughout the Quoran. Should be a slam dunk! (Of course, Christions will celebrate the day according to their faith as the birth of Jesus Christ, Lord and Savior!....to each his own)

All the best of the season to you all! Merry Christmas! And praise on the highest!

none
So it’s ok only when you call me a coward. More hypocrisy.

No, a child couldn’t have written such a well reasoned argument, but consider it this way; since you can’t refute it; you’ve been out smarted by a child.

Now for the reality check: tell us all how you oppose the aerial bombing campaigns of WWII including the atomic bombs.

I don’t think you understand what hate and loathing is since I indicated neither. Furthermore, I addressed each point you raised in your comment. Once again, in true hypocritical fashion, you accuse me of what you are doing.

Finally, I don’t think Islam will takeover of our government and society. I have faith in our government and society as a system, in the courage and will of my fellow citizens and in God who looks after us. Don’t pity me. Pity yourself for lacking all three.

Tbird49er
That's a very interesting idea. Most biblical scholars put the birth of Jesus in Summer or Fall anyway, it was established on Dec 25 to suppress the pagan holiday(s) already celebrated on that date. Your proposal would make the birth of Jesus a more religous holiday, like Easter (which has pagan elements, but at least hasn't been secularized by making it a national holiday). Making Christmas a national holiday was a tactical mistake on the part of the Christians who supported it, rather than make the nation more religous, the effect was to secularize and commercialize the holiday. Earlier in our national history, Christmas was a solemn religous observance. Maybe it's time to put the 'mass' back in Christmas.

MikeR
One of the major points that "none" is trying to make, and you seem so unable to see, is the fact that we have fallen so far into depravity since the age of "enlightenmnent" by the media and collage elite, that we are much worse off socially now than ever before. I am so sick of the crap that is being forced down our throats from the current secular society we are becomming, EVERYWHERE we look - tv, magazines, billboards. Don't you see the downward spiral that is happening right in front of you?

None, you are absolutely right, sometimes the brick walls are impossible to penetrate, but don't give up.

Signed,
A true believer.

Keep the faith my Christian brothers and sisters - and don't give up without a fight - He is worth it.

Christmas and (in)tolerance
I sent an email to Sarah Michalak, reminding her that HER actions were intolerant as she supported one position of the students over all other postions. See link in above article.

To Tbird9er, I have considered your solution. Then I remembered, as a Christian, I celebrate Christs birth 365 days a year, and without all the commercial trappings that many celebrants use in place of Jesus' birth.

As often as I take communion, I remember his death and his promise he will not take the loaf and the cup until we do it altogether in heaven.

This realization puts the PC meaning of Christmas where it belongs. Go Kwaanza and MLK Birthdays! Who really cares? We will choose our gods where we like. For me, My God is waiting for me somewhere besides in a holiday.

Merry Christ's Birth

Dean
I really doubt that any of the complainers were truly Christians.

I know that it is dangerous to judge the faith of others. However, I don't think it was done merely by non-believers, but by people who are anti-Christian. If you want an example, read the posts by The7Sticks (Will, Josh, or ?).

Scott
I understand his point, but require more than just opinion. None listed a few reasons, yet upon investigation, they proved to be gross exaggerations that were far outweighed by their counter parts.

My position is that each period has its own particular good points and bad point but that over all, this period is not worse than the late 50’s – early 60’s.

It is through this trade off that I prefer now to then. But of course that is only me opinion. Why is today so bad and then so good. I’m willing to consider the situation, but you’ll have to do much better than none.

MikeR
Okay, MikeR, you think you have a "reasoned argument" but it is cicular. It goes nowhere ergo why refute it.
As for the bombings in WWII, OMG. You are pathetic. I'll let a WWII vet answer that.
Yes MikeR your agruments are filled with hate and loathing otherwise you would not be arguing about Christmas displays. You hate what you cannot understand nor will ever be: a loving, caring, compassionate human. If you cannot understand the meaning of Christmas and how we Christians have been persecuted then there is no need to further argue or refute your specious arguments.
How can you with a straight face invoke God in your final para? That is too much. Islam looks for fools like you who appease them to insinuate their "religion" on a society--i.e. UK, France, most of eastern Europe. I am sure the dupes in those nations felt like you do. And no I do not have confidence in fools like you who are in the seats of power in this nation to defend us from Islam.
By the way, if in fact you are so brave, state your name here and say something inflammatory about Islam like you would about Christianity. Even easier, state your name and tell the Muslims in this nation that you disagree with giving them footbaths at public universities, or separate hours in gyms or that they cannot use loud speakers for their call to prayers in Detroit...

None
You would think that after all this country has been through at the hands of Islamic extremists, people like MikeR would be frightened, or at least, concerned.

MikeR, please read some works by Joel Rosenberg, he may open your eyes to the threat.

Christmas tree removed from UNC Library
This act is an embrassment to the University.

Dr. Adams
My 12 emails are done for today.

Thanks for fighting the good fight!!!

Keep us posted.

Thanks again Dr. Adams
I'm always glad to "complain" to someone who is stupid enough to announce her dubious actions in the newspaper. Here is my message to Michala:

So you complained about pressure form a dozen coworkers to take down a Christmas tree. How many emails will it take to get you to admit to your own religious bigotry and resign? Stop hating Christians in public and leave the country. I hear Canada is beautiful this time of year."

Re: And where?
The7Sticks is obviously blind deaf and dumb! He says one cannot have a war without "actual warfare" The assertion that there have to be AK47's or phisical weapons to have a war, refuses to see the war against humanity the left has waged throughout the 20th century! nearly a hundred million were killed in the name of secularism, while not a shot was fired? Was that not part of the same war that is being waged now?
If you look at the tolerance that has been afforded by christians to all others in this country's past, it is in starkcontrast to the politically correct policy against Christians in todays America seeks to shut out Christianity in todays intolerant environment.
Yeah, I know! You can shout out numerous exceptions from slavery to the KKK. However, I will put America head over heels over any other country in the end result. providing opportunity for all! Results that were gotten from Christian values! not those like of 7!

none
See, you are the one who is reacting, not reading. What have I said that is opposed to Christmas displays? I said that I am opposed to the tactics of all or nothing from both sides including Dr. Adams.

Now let’s look at what you actually said:
“You have no shame to use as an argument that you think I think killing babies is okay in any manner”

Our bombing campaigns resulted in the death of many babies. Therefore, for your statement to be true, you must oppose the bombings.

That’s a rhetorical trick and you fell for it. Once again, if I write and reason like a child, what does that make you? Now back to the original point, how are you being persecuted for your Christianity? Now I remember genuflecting during school prayers and being called a mackerel snapper by another kid. That’s not persecution, but there was markedly less tolerance for Catholics back then.

As for your current point, our people, society and government are vastly different from the ones you listed. As such, there is no reason to believe we should suffer the same fate. Furthermore, my name is Mike Roth and I live in Wilmington. I think much of Islam has bee hijacked by fascists who manipulate to achieve their goal of power. In addition, it was shameful that millions of Moslems living in this country didn’t openly denounce the reprehensible acts of these extremists and their over-all philosophy.

Lastly, I lived next to St. Hedgwick’s Church for years and no prayer calls on loud speakers could possibly be louder than the church bells which rang several times a day. Yes, I can evoke God with a straight face because I’m a true believer. Our obvious differences show how weak you faith actually is.

Scott
I am concerned about that and a good many other things, but I am not afraid; nor do I believe they can beat us in the end. Now how about offering support for yours or none's argument.

The7Sticks
Obviously, having a cousin-in-law who is a pastor is of little benefit to your ability to provide an objective response to Mike Adam's article about the removal the Christmas tree from the UNC-CH library. You failed to address any issue raised in the article but did succeed in exposing your own anti-Christian biases as well as your lack of education.

I'll bet you really thought you stumped Mike with your, "Where is the war?" tack. Most people understand the term "war" when used as an analogy or metaphorically, it doesn't always mean bullets and blood. Rather than passing along what you surmise to be your cousin-in-law's opiinion, why didn't you just ask him for it?

The UNC-CH librarian is just one more administrator that the lacks the courage to carry on a religious tradition that is old as our country. She is caving to those who wish to see our way of life and our moral fabric destroyed. A university is supposed to be open to all belief systems without having to subscibe to them. I think the proper response for Christians who care is to stop supporting the university with their dollars.

MikeR
"I said that I am opposed to the tactics of all or nothing from both sides including Dr. Adams."
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Adams' method of fight fire with more fire is not really the issue though. We all have and should have the freedom to express our opinions whether they be an expression of appreciation for something (ie publicly praising the Christmas display) or of offense (as in the case of the library). Adams wasn't really complaining about the "complainers" but more to the fact that the person in charge made a decision to break from tradition based on Political Correctness pressure.

His methods of using the same (or worse)tactics in response is not to lead the Christian sheep in some war cry against the library, but to show how absurd and futile it is to make policy based on political correctness.

I think more directly Adams is saying...Nobody has a guaranteed right to NOT be offended which is the position that the library is taking.

The lefties scream constantly....
... "There is NO war on Christmas!!!!", while they strangle the baby Jesus behind their backs.

The fact that they are OFFENDED by the sight of a Newborn signifies that their problems run much deeper than a federal holiday.

This whole thing just proves that Liberalism is Logic's retarded cousin.


Instead of an email I sent the librarian the following E-card, http://www.fundmental.com/funpages/flash/cant-wish-you-a-m erry-xmas.php


*Spam Alert!*

Check my Blog (click my nick) for some Holiday Fun!

My first Politically Incorrect card of the season!
"A Terrorist's Christmas!"

*End Spam Alert!*


I don't like 'in-your-face' anything
But what else can you do? How else do you fight a monster like the higher ed system in this country? How else do you draw attention to their absurdities and abuses?

Scroogery
This is really all about not wanting to be reminded about the season of giving. When do liberals give of their own wealth to the poor? Are there no workhouses are there no prisons? Don't we have welfare?

I just don't get it
these libtards constantly tell us that Christians appropriated the Christmas tree from pagan beliefs. Then they get all offended when someone puts up a Christmas tree.

Well, fine. Stick to your principles and do not take any religious holidays off. Actually, since the root of holiday is :holy day: they can NEVER take any holiday off.

Until you demonstrate you are willing to stick to your principles, you can just stick your principles where the sparkler don't shine!

7sticks is 7stoopid
War on drugs
War on poverty
War on crime
War on cancer

Guess they aren't really wars coz you can't shoot at drugs and cancer doesn't wear a uniform.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

I Sent My Email - Did You?
Thank you, Mike. I have sent the same email three times and I will send it another nine times.

Whatever it takes to expose, ridicule and embarrass these liberal goons is what we need to do.

Print their names, addresses, emails, places of employment, the names of their friends and associates and anything else that will embarrass them. Let's make sure that they are constantly looking over their shoulders before they make another bigoted, intolerant anti-conservative remark or set another anti-Christian policy.

It's about time we start treating these leftist
a-holes exactly as they treat conservatives.

Dean
Late to the chat but it so happens that although Easter is not a gov't observed holiday, the stock market still voluntarily closes early in observance of Good Friday. Most stores are not open Easter Sunday, either.

As for the rest of this silly offense over public displays for Christmas, notably Bleeding Heart Liberal's, I say get over it. The Govermment of which you are so fond does in fact observe Christmas-so on that basis alone it ought to be okay for you guys. Otherwise, do as Mother of Four suggests and get thee to work (or catch it up at home) and stop stealing the day's wages you haven't earned!

Tim in Maryland
They haven't come up with an alternate name for the day of Christ's Mass, either...but have no problem taking the day off anyway.

Merry Christmas! :)

Secular display cheapens "Christ's-Mass"
Christmas, or more properly, "Christ's Mass", should remain sacred. Meaningless secular displays are worse than having no display at all, because it cheapens, dillutes and misrepresents the holiness of this night. Christmas is not about trees, gifts,the Mall and VISA. It is about spirit. It is about things that cannot be seen or touched. Limiting displays to Churches and Homes that celebrate that spirit is a good thing. Here is a nice article on that http://www.biblicalrecorder.org/post/2008/12/05/Public-ban -on-Christmas-symbols-may-be-great-faith-gift.aspx

Western Bondbeam
I appreciate your point and in many ways you are right. You may also be right about Adams’ motives. However, in light of his past columns, I am skeptical. Dr. Adams is no fool and he has a distinct talent for rhetoric. A scan of the thread shows that he has provoked a stream of harassment on the provost. This may make a blunt point, but it will not rectify the situation. I fear it will make matters worse because it will paint Christians and conservatives in a bad light and serve only to reinforce the negative stereotypes that the opposition has.

This is the root of my differences with Dr. Adams. I’d rather see the decorations go back up and the problem resolved. I believe that Adams like many of the liberal race hustlers, works only to exasperate the problems and profit by that in one way or another. I predict that UNC will not give him the termination he wants however much he provokes them and he will eventually resign to become the head of his own church; thus shedding the last bit of pretence in his life.

Pleased to help out
Prof. Adams - I was oh so pleased to send my email to the lady at UNC. I offered the kind suggestion that the complaint-filers consider a more friendly environment ... such as China.

Merry Christmas to you all! Oh, and God Bless America too. That ought to get those commie-pinkos going.

2 cents
we could do like another TH writer suggested, each of us send them a check for $0.02 and make them send us a reciept in the mail. it would then cost them postage, plus envelope and labor to cash our $0.02 donation. how much would that add up to if a half million people or so did it? add foot note to 2 cent check, merry christmas, where is your decorations?

urgent need
With respect to the "Flag as Offensive" line that one can click on, what we really need is to have that replaced with a "Flag as Incredibly Stupid," button.

Done Mike 5 stars
And to the person with the name 7sticks, is that how many sticks you were beat in the head with?

LMFAO hic! (not used with seatbuffers or permission, because I will NEVER ask for it!)

Palin/Jindal in 2012!

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Peso George, Pardon Ramos and Compean before you leave office!!!

EVERYONE HAS A PHOTOGRAPHIC MEMORY....
LIBS JUST DON'T HAVE ANY FILM!

I sent this:
Hello,

My name is L. Steven Beene II, and I am writing to you to urge you to stop persecuting Christianity.

I cannot imagine if Muslim students had wanted to celebrate Ramadaan and put a display, that you would have fought them in the name of "Tolerence". So why single out Christians?

Tolerance means letting people enjoy the celebration of their religion and enjoy it as a community.

The "tolerance" that is shown to Christians, heterosexual, people of European descent, and men in general on college campuses today is an Orwellian euphemism for bigotry. Don't be a part of that.

SGT L. Steven Beene II
Defending your right to be a bigot

"Watch our backs at home, we'll guard the walls over here. You can sleep safe tonight, we're on the job."

Isaiah 6:8
Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?" And I said, "Here am I. Send me!"


Great Column
Good job Mike! Good point about how the provost tilts against the massive majority of North Carolinians for just twelve complaints and those not in just one year. Oh, the wisdom of this provost. Oh, the courage of this provost! What a brave stand!

Again, good job, Mike. Oh, by the way, Merry Christmas!

7 Sticks
I think everyone needs to just back off of 7 Sticks. I admit that as I first read the comments that he/she wrote, I was tempted to believe that they were simply the incoherent rantings of yet one more anti-Christian bigot. However as I got to the end of the post and found out that he/she was the "cousin-in-law of a Christian pastor" I was persuaded. After all, how do you argue with credentials like those?

As for the rest of you with your arguments about the validity of celebrating Christ's birth on the 25th; give it a rest. There is nothing wrong with doing it that I can see. Of course, as Christians, we celebrate Christ every day (I would argue that it is His death and resurrection that we truly celebrate but all things "Christ" are worthy of celebration)but there is nothing wrong with setting aside a season for special celebration of the gift that His life was to a fallen creation. It is your attitude about the celebration that makes it holy. The actions of those who would suppress expressions of this "holy day" are thinly disguised attempts to delegitimatize the expression of Christian faith. Anyone who cannot see that is not really worth arguing with, they will not see reason in this matter until their hearts are changed and virtually no amount of well-marshaled logical argument will change the heart of an individual who is unprepared for that kind of event.Prayer fires the winning shot. Sanctimony is a losing position.

That is just my opinion but I am the second-best friend of the ex-roommate to the third cousin of the wife of a Theology Professor so I have that going for me.

Where's Will?
I'm interested in seeing how he makes a gay issue out of this.

a misinformed generation
Just a point of clarification to an earlier post. Christmas trees were indeed a pagan symbol just as winter solstice was a pagan celebration, ditto easter. The Catholic church did adopt these symbols or events to destroy them but to absorb them along with their adherents into the new religion. It was an act of inclusion, removing obstacles to the addition of non-believers. Also people may complain that the word Christmas has too much religious connotation but how can they tolerate the use of holiday? a word which means holy day. Holy to who? I am constantly amazed at the level of learning that this generation of students has achieved in our government schools.

just curious...
....will all those anti-Christmas people out there be working on Christmas Day? Funny, I haven't heard any complaints about a federal holiday in celebration of Christ's birth, just the decorations that lend a festive spirit to the holiday. I say all those who are offended by Christmas show up for work on Christmas Day!

Good job UNC!!!
Congratulations, Ms. Michalak and Mr. Thorp. Lenin, Stalin & Co. would be very proud of you!!! It really has nothing to do with a religious holiday, does it? It's all about "Power and Control", isn't it? Now, there hasn't been any kind of a threat, has there? Maybe being sued or something if said offending tree did not disappear. Hmmmm... I wonder

Sgt. Beene
Thank you! Thank You! thank you!

And thank you for sending the E mail too.

The Isaiah quotation is one that I am very familiar with. It's mine too. Hooah!

IF we forget the past, we will repeat it
My, what an apt name you chose for yourself. That other writer was Dr Adams in his 11/10/08 column “The President is Black, Hide the Confederate Flag”. So, does this mean you repeat yourself constantly?

stupid UNC Library lady
What a loser library lady. Christmas trees look cool, even to atheists. What would you rather see, a pile of dog crap or something??

Fire the sick old hag.

Christians across the country celebrate.
Make sure you decorate your abode indoors and outdoors with traditional Christian symbols. Be it a star, a nativity or a cross or simply a Merry Christmas sign. Show the world your love for this traditional celebration of the Messiah/ Savior/ Christ's birth.

Idiocy in the name of tolerance
I'm here traveling in an officially Islamic country (Malaysia) and even here they have Christmas trees in public displays. The UNC administrators are so cowardly they won't risk a display that won't even offend Muslims here deep in Muslim territory.

Jim West
You are too funny! I read your comment to my whole family.

Sgt. Beene
Your post was excellent!

As a mother of two sons well into adulthood, I can identify greatly with your statement copied below. These two fine men have suffered greatly from discrimination in society as a whole their entire adult lives. One worked in the trades...where he was at the BOTTOM of the list for getting into an apprenticeship program...black males, black females, white females, then their names could appear!

And it is even worse now! I remember one of them as a young child holding hands with his first-grade 'girlfriend' - now they'd be sent to jail for sexual harassment and have a black mark against them forever!

I find it repulsive that the tail continues to wag the dog in today's America - 12 people against thousands???? Oh yes, that sure makes a lot of sense...NOT! Political correctness has gone wild and America has been diminished accordingly!

Your comment:
"The "tolerance" that is shown to Christians, heterosexual, people of European descent, and men in general on college campuses today is an Orwellian euphemism for bigotry. Don't be a part of that."

Thanks for your service, Steven, and God Bless You!

and MERRY CHRISTMAS
to all (and to all a Goodnight ;-)

My email will go out tomorrow after I've checked Ben Stein's comments out on Snopes. For some reason I can't get on tonight. I received a great email recently with his comments on being a tolerant Jew and want to make sure it is true before sending it (12 times a day ;-) to Ms. Michalak.

Thank you for sharing this!
I just wrote Ms. Michalak to encourage replacing the Christmas tree.

This UNC situation reminds me situation of the Washington State atheist sign in the capital, to which I also wrote a prayer. While less extreme than Washington, without people like you providing the Ms. Michalaks of the world with support to "do the right thing", then such Christmas tree removals quickly become anti-religious signs on State Capital property.

Thank you, Mr. Adams!

MikeR
Not sure if you are still checking in on this thread but I didnt get back to your response until today.

No doubt Adams' methods wont fix the problem and you are right that his goal is not to fix the problem. His main purpose is to expose the absurdity of political correctness which is a running theme in many of his columns.

Good point regarding those sending in emails painting a poor stereotype. Stereotypes will always exist. No real way to avoid that. My guess is that most emails will simply be ignored.

Christians in the USA are in a pickle though. Christians in foreign countries are glad for our freedom. We don't risk torture or death just to read a Bible or attend Church and others see the USA as hope that someday they may enjoy that same freedom. We have the unique position of being able to enjoy that freedom while at the same time NOT take it for granted. When Christians take it for granted (and most probably do) then we are asleep to that responsibility given to us by the founding fathers of our nation.

So the real question is, how can we enjoy our religious freedom and while at the same time, NOT take it for granted? Protesting the removal of the tree seems appropriate, even though in the case of political correctness, the squeaky wheel does not always get greased.

Michalak is anti-Christian
Diversity has no part in the actions of michalak. She is proving that she is anti-CHRISTIAN and at the same time, proving that she will allow followers of the islamic CULT to control as many aspects of life at UNC-CH as they choose. How soon before any CHRISTIAN or Jewish related organizations will be banned while those of the islamic CULT will not only be allowed to remain, but to flourish and gain greater input on activities at UNC-CH? Maybe by 2010, instead of football games in Keenan Stadium, there will be weekly beheadings of Christians and Jews.

Unless michalak begins a campaign to remove any and all symbols related to the islamic CULT, banning the bags worn by many female followers of the islamic CULT, banning those long white shirts and the beards worn by male followers of the islamic CULT, she is proving that she is anti-CHRISTIAN. I find all of the items worn by the followers of the islamic CULT to be not only offensive, but a reminder of the attacks of 9/11.

If michalak does not initiate this campaign of removing islamic CULT symbols, then she condemns herself to a forced resignation. As she will have displayed a willingness to accept the demands of the islamic CULT followers, then she must accept them all and thus accept that as a female, she cannot be in a position superior to any male, thus she MUST resign. She cannot selectively choose which aspects of the islamic CULT she will follow and which she will ignore. If no resignation is forthcoming, will she be placed on the islamic CULT chopping block in Keenan Stadium by 2011? Will the islamic CULT succeed in placing one of its followers as provost at UNC-CH? Never doubt the ability of our liberal leaders to bow to the wishes/demands of the islamic CULT.

TheEnigma4
That’s a pretty good parody, but you are laying it on too thick. It doesn’t help your cause when you liberals paint Christian conservatives to be complete lunatics. Except for the few who think there are commies hiding under their beds and that are one court ruling away from admitting they’re gay, most are actually fairly reasonable people.

Indoctrination Campuses
This story further demonstrates that college campuses are no longer bastions of academic freedom. Instead, they rabid recruitment/indoctrination centers for the fringe left. It deeply saddens me to see that many once-great American institutions of higher learning, such as UNC-CH, are now breeding grounds for virulent anti-Americanism. What happened?

Chapel Hill city motto
I heard in the wake of the attempted vehicular homicides at the Big UNCs "Pit" by that Iranian lowlife that the Chapel Hill city motto is "Left of Center, Right at Home"

Ben Stein - with Snopes link
My email to the provost follows:

Here's an eye-opener for you to read, Ms. Michalak. I believe this should convince you to reconsider taking away the Christmas trees!

Don’t you think it is time to stop berating Christianity? It is time for ‘the few’ to stop demanding ‘the many’ adhere to THEIR principles!

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/confessions.asp


Ben Stein #2
The following is Ben Stein’s commentary on Dec 18, 2005 when he appeared on CBS Sunday Morning.

"...Next confession: I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit up, bejeweled trees, Christmas trees. I don't feel threatened. I don't feel discriminated against. That's what they are: Christmas trees.

It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, 'Merry Christmas' to me. I don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it. It shows that we are all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn't bother me at all that there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach house in Malibu If people want a creche, it's just as fine with me as is the Menorah a few hundred yards away.

I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it being shoved down my throat.

Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship celebrities and we aren't allowed to worship God as we understand Him? I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too. But there are a lot of us who are wondering where these celebrities came from and where the America we knew went to."

CapeConservative
What if she sees your Jew and raises by two Jews and a Christian?

"Ben Stein #2"
Ben Stein writes "I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians." And atheists don't like being pushed around for being atheists, but there are plenty of Christians in this country who do that and few non-atheists seem to have any problem with it.

Ben writes: " I have no idea where the concept came from that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution and I don't like it being shoved down my throat." I don't know where that idea came from, either. Apparently he saying that if a university does not put up a specifically Christian display, that makes America an explicitly atheist country.

Ben writes "[W]here did the idea come from that ... we aren't allowed to worship God as we understand Him?" Again, I don't know where he gets that idea. Last time I looked, we are indeed allowed to worship any God or gods we want to,including no gods. Lack of a Christmas tree in a library does not prevent you from worshipping.

I agree with Ben and some others here that the solution is for the library to have displays for several religions (plus atheism). But even that provokes complaints from some Christians that this is their holiday and they should have exclusive rights to it. I guess these people just need to get over it.

Separation of Church and State
To Don (currently #80) who wrote that separation of church and state is not in the Constitution: It is true that those exact words do not appear. The concept is there, though, in the first amendment's prohibition of any establishment of religion. The government shall not declare an official religion, it shall not tell us what our religious beliefs should be, it shall not push one religion over all the others, it shall not require us to express any particular religious beliefs, etc. The government regularly violates this principle in favor of Christianity ("In God We Trust" as our motto; "under God" in the pledge; displays in government buildings of the Ten Commandments, the first few of which demand worshipping the God of the Bible; taxpayer funding of Christian religious groups (Bush's faith-based initiative); Christian missionary groups preaching to our soldiers in the Middle East; saying Christian grace at mealtimes (and other Christian prayers) at military academies, with no regard for individual soldiers' religions; atheist Jeremy Hall (a soldier in Iraq) was not allowed to have meetings for non-religious soldiers even though Christian soldiers were allowed to have their meetings; for just a few examples.) But when we atheists complain about things like that, we are accused of trying to destroy all religion.

if you really want to get their atten...
Dont email just her, email everyone who works there. Most will ignore it at first, some will forward it to her some will oral mention it. However if everyone is getting hundreds of emails a day they will complain. Thankx to the power of unix I have a list of everyone who works there.

isiah
Wow! That’s so cool. Why stop at the alleged perpetrator? Go after everyone you can. Maybe you can find her parents or children and arrange for them to be harassed too. Yes sir, you sure will show her. How dare she listen to some folks say that Christians are forcing their beliefs down others’ throats? After all, if they don’t tolerate our religion, we will just have to force them to.

JimH49
"I agree with Ben and some others here that the solution is for the library to have displays for several religions (plus atheism). But even that provokes complaints from some Christians that this is their holiday and they should have exclusive rights to it. I guess these people just need to get over it."
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How exactly does one display atheism and why at Christmas time? Plus isnt that quite a lot of work to display all religions? Maybe if it were a "world religion" museum or something.

Anyway a lot of religions probably don't want their position displayed in such a tacky way. Especially if it's off season for their religious celebrations. Not all celebrate around Christmas time.

I think the library took the position that since it couldn't possibly show all religions, so that nobody is offended, it chose to show none. It's an absurd stance to take (political correctness and all) expecially since nobocy really has the right to NOT be offended.

One has to wonder though if showing nothing is sort of an atheist stance, in which case they offend all other religiions combined. By choosing to not offend a few people, she ends up offending most people.

MikeR
"What if she sees your Jew and raises by two Jews and a Christian?"
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Too bad she already folded her hand. There is always next year. She could put up an aluminum pole in the middle of the lobby. Festivus for the rest of us.

Western Bondbeam
I know and you’re right. I hate to see the decorations come down not only because it’s wrong but also because I really like Christmas and it is at this time of your that I get sentimental about my children and my own childhood. I think I am ready for grandchildren and the opportunity to do some of those things one more time.

Otherwise, I don’t like the Idea of using Ben Stein as the spokesman for all Jews in America. And it’s not a numbers game either. That’s why I say let’s get to the root of the issue and solve it. I want the decorations. Don’t take mine down. Let me help you put yours up.

You know, it’s like you wrote to JimH49. The librarian went for the safe move of allowing nothing. And that is absurd. All that ever does is guarantee that we all lose out.

MikeR
"I want the decorations. Don’t take mine down. Let me help you put yours up."
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Certainly in the context of a diverse college campus, I can see this as an attractive option due to the variety of cultures represented on any given campus. Not talking about a township library or city library after all. It seems logical to go this route.

Upon deeper reflection though, even in the context of a college campus, one can see the futility of attempting to please the masses. Political Correctness at it's finest.

The only option is to go into it knowing full well that somebody is going to be offended at one display or another, or one's lack of display. Had they used this approach to begin with though, the tree would still be up.

Atheist display
western bondbeam asks: How does one "display atheism"? One way is to do what was done earlier this month at the state capitol building in Olympia, Washington. The Christians have their nativity display there, so some atheists (in this case the Freedom From Religion Foundation) displayed a sign that reads:

At this season of
THE WINTER SOLSTICE
may reason prevail.
***
There are no gods,
no devils, no angels,
no heaven or hell.
There is only our natural world.
Religion is but
myth and superstition
that hardens hearts
and enslaves minds.
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Evidently the last sentence on the sign is correct, since someone (presumably a religious person who did not like the message) stole the sign.

And why at Christmas? Because others are putting up their religious displays at this time, so they must allow atheists to display their message too. Also, it provides the opportunity to point out that the original reason for celebrating at this time of year is the winter solstice.

To Marianne
and all the others who claim that some of us are offended by Christmas.

No, we are not offended by Christmas. We are simply tired of the constant promotion of Christianity by our government.

Wow.............


.......I can't believe Will didn't show up to try to twist this whole tree thing into something gay. :)

Double standards
Ya know what is amazing? Liberals who want their porn on tv, or violence in movies, or profanity in music, or rape scenes in video games... and the list goes on. Why? Because they claim it infringes on their freedom of speech and expression. And those that don't like it can just change the channel or ignore it or not buy it. So what if the kids can see it. It provides a chance to teach of differences, or you're being a slacker parent for not pre-screening everything.

But if you decorate a Christmas tree or display a baby Jesus THAT is REALLY INAPPROPRIATE! How dare 'religious zealots' and the government offend their delicate sensibilities with morals and values and ... (sputtering) ... LOVE!

Where's the grand advice of change the channel? Keep walking and ignore it? Don't buy it? Just be a good parent and EXPLAIN to your kids the importance of differences and tolerance. Practice what you preach.




JimH49
The Freedom From Christianity Foundation has no real interest in celebrating Winter Solstice. Everybody can see that; it's why they have no credibility. They simply want to spoil everyone elses celebrations. They could care less about Winter Solstice.







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