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Monday, December 08, 2008
Mike Adams :: Townhall.com Columnist
No Child Molester Left Behind
by Mike Adams
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Alan Colmes has changed a lot since the election of Barack Obama. To be specific, he’s gotten a lot dumber – so much so that I’m thinking about boycotting the “Hannity and the Other Guy” show that features him at 9 p.m. EST on Fox. Does anyone know if Keith Olberman has a show in that time slot?

Colmes, whom I’ve always admired and respected (really), gave a disappointing interview to a couple of young women who work for an organization I admire called Students for Life America, or SFLA. By calling them a “radical anti-choice organization,” Colmes was arrogant and disrespectful to the young ladies, one of whom is only a teenager.

Colmes, like other so-called liberals, doesn’t understand that the pro-life position is not “anti-choice.” By opposing one choice (the choice to abort) pro-lifers are supporting the over one-million choices the fetus is likely to make if it can escape the scalpel and suction tube – a symbol as sacred to the feminist as the hammer and sickle is to the communist.

Colmes rude mischaracterization of SFLA was bad. His effort to draw moral equivalence between a) one act of dishonesty by the pro-life organization towards Planned Parenthood and, b) a pattern of dishonesty by the latter organization was worse. That pattern of dishonesty regarding a willingness to report cases of statutory rape is one that fairly lands Planned Parenthood in the category of “radical anti-choice organizations.”

A student intern, who works for SFLA did, in fact, lie to a staffer at Planned Parenthood when she claimed to be a 15-year old seeking RU-486, the co-called morning after abortion pill. She also lied when she said that she had sex the night before with her mother’s live-in boyfriend whom she said was “30-something” years old.

In response to the SFLA sting, which was recorded on video camera, the staffer did express a concern over the fact that this sexual encounter was statutory rape. This was before agreeing to sell her birth control to help facilitate more rape.

The staffer was right to characterize the encounter as rape. In North Carolina, if one is under 16, one has been statutorily raped if her sex partner is at least four years older. The idea behind the law is simple: Children are not able to offer “consent” to sex with those much older. Beyond a certain age difference, it is safe to assume the presence of coercion and, therefore, to call it rape.

It may well be the case that Planned Parenthood staffers do not want to report statutory rape because they think a fifteen-year old is fully capable of consenting to sex.

After all, the organization’s fight against any form of parental notification hints that they think the age of consent should be lower.

But North Carolina does require Planned Parenthood to report cases of statutory rape, which it classifies as rape in the first-degree with a potential of life without parole. Though they said they did report the SFLA sting case, public records indicate Planned Parenthood did not. And that is more than a lie. It is an alliance with the child molester and against truly consensual sex, which is also called “choice.”

Alan Colmes idiotically accused the women of SFLA of conspiring to file a false report of rape. That is just silly. A report is something you file with the police. SFLA fabricated the story to Planned Parenthood precisely because they knew no report would be filed.

A woman’s act of falsely accusing a specific man of rape is certainly illegal. It may be a simple case of defamation or it may amount to malicious prosecution. But consistently not filing reports of known cases of statutory rape is also illegal. And Planned Parenthood knowingly lies about these illegal breaches of duty. Those are the lies Alan Colmes should care more about. He may have a teenaged daughter some day.

The saddest part of the SFLA sting is not that it distracted Planned Parenthood from doing its job as Alan Colmes suggested. After all, no one criticized the American troops for distracting the Nazis with false intelligence reports during World War II. Distracting people who are committing genocide is probably a good thing in the final analysis.

The sad thing is that SFLA is doing the job the police and FBI really should be doing. I know Alan Colmes would agree that it is the job of both local and federal agents to run stings on local offices of nationwide networks when there is credible evidence that they are engaging in complicity with statutory rape. If they fail the sting, the organization should have its federal funding withdrawn.

And, certainly, those running the rape stings cannot be held to the Colmesian requirement of revealing their true identity.

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Mike Adams is a criminology professor at the University of North Carolina Wilmington and author of Feminists Say the Darndest Things: A Politically Incorrect Professor Confronts "Womyn" On Campus.
 
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Superficial
Good article Mike. I can't watch the Hannity and Colmes show, because it is too superficial and shallow. Serious matters should be discussed in a serious manner, and that doesn't happen on that show. The actions of Planned Parenthood and their public financing should be made known to the taxpayers, so I thank you for the article. The American people need to take action! Call your idiot Congressmen and Senators, but remember to be respectful of their sensitive egoes.

Respect Colmes?
Colmes routinely takes the mental deficiency of the idiocy of liberalism to new heights. He's aggressively obnoxious in pursuing positions that defy reason, which if taken from the realm of sound-bite/talking (yelling) point and examined in 3-D, would embarrass a sane/moral, undamaged person to espouse.

It makes me wonder if his handlers give him his opinions and talking points for every show - no one person can be that comprehensively stupid.

He recently quit Hannity, probably, given the libs ascendancy to the WH, seeing himself rising in the liberal-lies spokes-hole business.

'He may have a teenaged daughter some day.' I hope he insists that any woman involved exercise her 'choice' to see that that never occurs - a face resembling his would be a serious handicap.

oh, YOU Mike, of all people!
You lavishly dish out phrases like "RADICAL feminists", "RADICAL militant homosexuals" (meaning any average decent law-abiding homosexual who takes to the streets and courts to petition for social change -- AS IS THEIR RIGHT in a democracy), "RADICAL godless atheists"...

Boo hoo. Now "arrogant, disrespectful" Alan Colmes calls the group you admire a "RADICAL anti-choice organization" & we're supposed to feel your pain, man. We're all tearing up for your "disappointment", Mike.

Baby can dish it out -- but baby gets all soft and sensitive and OFFENDED when the same words boomerang back. Boo hoo dude.

Will, you forgot something
You should have left the readers to a link verifying the redical homosexual agenda as you defined it.

Allow me:

http://www.radicalhomosexualagenda.org/

It is put out by homosexuals for homosexuals.

And here are some homosexual expressing their thoughts on Israel

http://www.lagai.org/

No need to thank me Will, I was happy to help. And I have lots of others if you need more.

Will, I forgot another one
Here is an excellent example of homosexuals in the street expressing their feelings about Christians recently in San Fran.

http://americansfortruth/com/news/h8ing-christians-video-sh ows-aftermath-of-homosexual-mob-attack-on-christians-in-san -franciscos-castro-disctrict.html

Sorry, I meant to include it in my last post, I knew you would want all of the TH readers to see it.

Colmes has been moving...
further and further to the left. In the last few months he's been downright mean and intellectually dishonest in his debates. It's no surprise he's leaving. He was pretty fair until right up before the 2004 election. Since then he's been sliding leftward into Communist Land.

I hate the yelling that goes on with H&C
and for that reason won't watch them. Reasonable people should be able to TALK to each other. But then, reasonable people are NOT who are invited, are they?

I am not a staunch pro-life person. I can (very seldom, but it is there) see where an abortion may be necessary. But I do agree that Young girls should be questioned and the rapists arrested, tried, convicted and hung.

The genocide of both Black and White in this country is astounding! When will the liberals wake up to it? (Seems like they have not gotten over their zero population growth after all!) Which group they want to wipe out is up for grabs - maybe both. Leave it to the illegals and Muslims??

PS - Hey Dr Adams: Have you heard about the gun for people with disabilities? It was reported on Drudge the other day. One shot 9 mm that looks like a punch knife...

Will, #6
Colmes is an idiot. He used to be a pretty decent guy but became just plain mean. To Mr. Will #6, my guess is, since you're so hot on choice and giving an underage minor choices they can't possibly intelligently make, how about those poor babies are aren't given choices, huh? I would bet the farm that if you could ask any one of those poor children murdered in the womb if they choose life over death, they would choose life. They are by law a human being and one of those minors you want to "protect." They just need someone to speak up for them. Lucky for you you're mother didn't think like you do - doncha think?

Planned sex with no consequences
Actually, the people that go and teach sex education in the schools from Planned Parenthood should be classified as child molesters...they are teaching very young people how to have sex with each other and this is no lie. They are grooming these young people and coaching them in ways that are very suggestive with no morality involved. We have a huge mess in this country by getting young people involved in sex way too early with the help of people like Planned Parenthood.

Royinoslo
You're missing the point there slick. While it is detestable to have daddies like that the entire point is to make sure they are arrested and punished for doing so in the first place, thereby hopefully showing others with similar thoughts that it will not be tolerated.

Will....................


.................nice to see you are consistent - you are still an idiot.

Since Colmes is leaving H & C maybe he could team up with Keith Olberdumm (no, really, that IS how you spell it) - now THERE'S a show that would be a train wreck!!

Off topic but...
if you want to help stop kids from beind even more sexual please dear god boycott the Bratz products and others that are similar.

Send a girl to do a cop's job!
Yes, the police should be running 'stings'! They do those 'to catch a preditor' shows, why not do this? If anyone would like to read the views of a young woman who is working within the pro-life movement, check out:
http://www.gingiedmonds.com

I'm not in favor of pregnant 15 year-old
But notice the difference between a 15-year-old, "married" to a 20-something at an FLDS compound in Texas, with a 15-year-old raped by a 20 something in Dallas as a result of Planned Parenthood's non-reporting policy.

Shouldn't the State of Texas be proscuting the latter before the former?

Whistle-blower
For the last eight years we were treated to how whistle-blowers illegally disclosing highly classified information (like the foreign-to-domestic wiretapping program) was an absolutely essential thing to our democracy.

Now Colmes is whining about whistle-blowing because it made the liberal sacred cow "Planned Parenthood" look like the heathens they are?!

Ignorance indeed...but we knew that all along.

Colmes is 'Pro-Infanticide'
As long as Colmes doesn’t mind being labeled as ‘Pro Fetus-Genocide,’ or ‘Pro-Infanticide,’ or how about 'Pro Baby-Holocaust,’ . . .

I can live with being called “radical anti-choice.”

Ignorant Royinoslo
Per:
Royinoslo Location: MN
Reply # 4
Date: Dec 8, 2008 - 2:22 AM EST


Last I heard nobody is forcing anyone in America to have an abortion.

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Women in abusive relationships are forced under the threat of death by the men who abuse them to get abortions. It happens every day somewhere in the USA. If you do not think this is true you need to get your head out of the sand. Planned Parenthood (they should be called Planed Infanticide) dares not ask a woman if she is under any coercion to abort because their murder of babies is a highly profitable business and they need to make their quotas. If there were any organization that needed to have their “windfall profits” taxed it would be Planed Infanticide.

Whatever happened to ...
... the sting about targeting donations to abort black babies?

Ok
Here it is Colmes will wear the Communist symbols well, they will really enhance his wardrobe! Communist PIG

sex
you dont need to teach young people how to have sex.they have been doing it for years.you however can teach them abouy stds or having unwanted children.

Hannity&Colmes and abortion
This was a hard show to watch because Colmes is a liberal idiot and Hannity talks over everyone. As to abortion, I never thought that baby murder was a good thing. It just doesn't sound right to me.

Hypocrite
Colmes is a typical liberal. He is a hypocrite. I do not agree with lying to make a point, but I never heard liberals decry the lies told by their media ilk when they reported on the Food Lion grocery store chain or the deception by one of the big 3 networks when they detonated the gas tank of a vehicle because they couldn't get it to explode by a side impact collision. Colmes, where were you on those lies?

Groups should be investigated
The group that should be investigated is this SFLA. Exactly because their are rape reporting laws telling a health care provider that were raped could have led to a false reporting and a false police investigation. This is a form a vigalanism that should not be tolerated no matter the good intentions of this group. As to Planned Parenthood, this proves nothing. Planned Parenthood is a large organization and to have a single staff member slip up on some reporting does not rise to the level of a pattern.

Every year many people falsely accused of Rape, Child Molestation and Spousal Abuse by people who have some other agenda. (Duke Lacrosse Team). (Teuwalla Brawley) (The McCain campaign worker who claimed to be attacked by Obama supporters).

This is just something you don't do to prove a political point and to have these people lauded by this columnist simply because he agrees with these stupid and arrogant young ladies is disgusting.

This is no way to win an arguement on aborting.

Hey Jim teenagers may have sex but...
that doesn't mean they are prepared for it or that if one person is 4 years older they weren't coerced. I can't tell you how uninformed young women are. They just want "Love" so they are willing to be used until they show up pregnant. Then the guys take a hike for another girl that is just as easy. Once they are pregnant they aren't quite as easy.

We give teenagers too much credit. They aren't ready to drink, have sex or drive a car. 99% of teenagers are just interested in having "fun" and don't care if they hurt someone or get hurt doing it. It is the old, "it won't happen to me" that even so called smart kids get into.

I for one am glad to see kids using their smarts to make Planned Parenthood look bad.

Re: Reply #4, Jim From Texas
G-R-E-A-T response!

Pro-Life = Pro-Choice
Pro-life means recognizing that if you do not want to spend the next 18 years raising a child you have the CHOICE to not have sex.

Alan Colmes was selected

for the show in the first place because he is a lightweight who permitted Hannity to win the arguments...a figurehead for fairness is all he is.

Jail Time,
We've seen enough of these expose' stories about Planned Parenthood that its well past time to see some jail time for the people who are assisting child molesters this way.

Liberal in full view!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I once wrote Hannity that I could hardly stand to watch because of Colmes,but than I decided anyone watching would see every time Colmes opens his mouth the world can see just how stupid the left is.At least at times he makes me laugh with his rationing.If he is any example of what it would have been like listening to Air America,it is no wonder they went down the tubes.

Colmes is behind the curve...
Abortion boosters have been busy inventing lots of Newspeak terms to prop up their genocidal beliefs, and demonize the opposition. Colmes should have called the girls "radical anitchoicerights extremists." The abortos have had a lot of success in getting the media to automatically use "rights" whenever "abortion" is mentioned (which then, of course, paints opponents as against "rights.")
Liberalism -- it's doubleplusgood!

laws built on lies
Gee, what do you expect in a country where our view of abortion was based on falsehood. The case of Rowe v. Wade was ostensibly on the right of a woman who was raped to have an abortion. Years later we find out from the woman who was the supposed victim of rape that she had not been raped but merely said so to tip the scales of justice. The rest is history. How ironic that Planned Parenthood has cost the blacks in America in the name of free choice the highest price that any people can bear, self inflicted genocide. That however is consistent with Planned Parenthood's eugenic outlook. We got the governance we deserve.

Alan Colmes
Alan Colmes' response reminds me of when a reporter went undercover at a Food Lion store to document illegal practices in the meat and poultry departmentst. He exposed a number of unsavory, illegal, and possibly dangerous practices. I think the expose was aired on 60 Minutes or a similar program. Food Lion's response, after dealing with all the charges filed by the FDA and local authhorities, was to sue the reporter for damages caused by his falsifying his employment applicatiion. The courts agreed with Food Lion, finding against the reporter, and awarded damages of $1.00.

According to Colmes, from now on the FBI and any investigative agencies will have to inform the suspected organizations that they are being investigated by an undercover agent and provide the identity of the agent. The agents will have to wear scarlet undercover agent badges. It should make them extremely effective.

Not to worry, Colmes is leaving Hannity & Colmes which can only improve the program. I dont'know the man nor do I know what he is really like when off air, but I absolutely detest his TV Persona. He comes across as an extremely snotty individual and if he treated me the same way that he treats some of his guests, I would have to restrain myself from reaching across the table and pounding him a couple of times.

On second thought, I could probably handle things OK because my parents taught me not to pick on the handicapped, including an idiot lib like Colmes.

Let's See If I Got This Straight.

According to "will", Mike Adams is BAD because he speaks out when he sees the gay agenda being forced upon our children in every way, shape and form. It's been going on for over a decade and Adams doesn't like it.

Also, Adams is BAD becasue he's pro-life and supports pro-life groups. He speaks out against the murder of babies and supports actions of pro-life organizations. And for doing this
leftists like "will" and Colmes despise Adams!

That about it?

Sorry Hannity
I have already stopped watching Sean and Alan.
Alan is a moron. I don't believe he thinks
for himself.

Let us hope he never has a teenage daughter.
She would be parented by the most irresponsible
and misdirected couple under the sun. Hopeless
searchers.

I, too sat in disbelief that he compeletly
overlooked the most obvious fact: that PP
is accomplice to crime.

Earnest in NY
What a wonderfully written reply!

I didn't know he was leaving; I have wondered
why he is still there! He talks over guests
and cuts people off when they are speaking.

Kirsten Powers does the same thing. Not Fox
News caliber.

Good news!
If live in boyfriends of mothers with teen age daughters are not to have the daughters be available and subject to either truly consensual or fearful of injury consent to what appears to be legally defined as rape, they should have a legal solution:

1. Have a consent form signed by the mother and daughter to protect this innocent man who may be otherwise entrapped; or

2. Let either or both women check a box that denies such acceptance and assures the man that he will be prosecuted when evidence if available to convict.

This form should promote harmony and comfort and give a way for the man to know that while violation of the daughter is not incest, it will be rape!

RE Pro-Choice = Pro- Life
A baby can also be given up for adoption. There are alternatives to abortion. But that is beside the point here. Alan Colmes as usual was narrow minded and rude. When someone has a different world view than him, he never even lets them answer questions or finish their statements. He immediately starts shouting over them and he's so pompous about it. It's ANNOYING! He's always like that and I'm really impressed with Sean Hannity's restraint in regard to his co-host. I'm glad Alan is leaving the show. He's a true liberal jackass- at least on the show. No idea what he's like off screen.

Alan Colmes could not
care less about statutory rape. His main concern - and that of most liberal Democrats- is that an abortion be performed so that he can justify his own unsavory life. Good riddance to Colmes and Powers is not much better.

Colmes leaving Hannity!
That is good news! Hannity needs an intelligent opponent but the show works better with a dumb one.

Obama and Black Genocide

Although black women constitute only 6% of the population, they comprise 36% of the abortion industry’s clientele. The leading abortion providers have chosen to exploit blacks by locating 94% of their abortuaries in urban neighborhoods with high black populations.

This high rate of abortion has decimated the black family and destroyed black neighborhoods to the detriment of society at large.

1,452 African-American children are killed each day by the heinous act of abortion.

3 out of 5 pregnant African-American women will abort their child.
"...For those of you that don't know, Barack Obama became a "minister" of Planned Parenthood a long time ago. He's so good at carrying out their racist, murderous, agenda against Afro-Americans and society at large, they gave him a 100% score on his voting record.

Planned Parenthood is following the strategy of their racist founder, Margaret Sanger, to the letter. Planed Parenthood is saying, “We have our poster boy!

Get him out in front as a lure for their women and men. Get them into our abortion clinics and dismember their children by the millions!”

You say absurd? No Way!

Planned Parenthood’s Valentine cards were sent out to hundreds of thousands of young people in the nation.

Whose face is plainly seen waving to them with a big smile?

Whose endorsement is given to this racist and calloused organization?

Who is used to lure children to give credibility to its hideous plot?

Barack Obama, that's who!..."

By Rev. Clenard H. Childress Jr.,
March 5, 2008
http://www.blackgenocide.org/obama.html

Colmes & klan are likely molesters
Until we are willing to include sick, hate filled monsters like alan colmes in the category of "facilitators", the ever necessary component of shaming will not be available to those who wish to save children from n.a.m.b.l.a., the a.c.l.u., colmes, and all of your neighborhood pervs. The a.c.l.u. has had a half dozen of its LEADERS caught trafficking in child porn (an act of facilitating molestation that should garner capitol punishment).

It is time to call a spade a spade. One of the many bi products of modern "liberalism" is the sexualizing of our children. Our pundits and politicians must have the courage to state this fact. Ironically, two people I have no use for on any other issue, Michael Savage and Bill O'reilly, have been the most outspoken on this issue. O'Reilly is willing to call trafficking in images the equivalent of molestation. An idea that should be legislated into law.

It won't start in California though, our legislators fought to make it law that anything under 100 (that's ONE HUNDRED!) files of child sexual abuse on ones computer should be no worse than a parking ticket.

If we don't stop killing our kids and helping the killers of their souls AND their bodies, it will soon be over for America.

Go Planned Parenthood!
Very good organization! Of course, abortion rates in the US are much higher than in most other industrialized nations, since all the right-wing nuts on this forum oppose good sex education for teenagers. Planned Parenthood does much more than abortions. A 15-year old girl should be able to decide on her own with whom she wants to have sex, and for a normal girl that would obviously not include a 30-year old man. He should be prosecuted.

Eugenics . . .
was the stated aims of Margaret Sanger, the founder of "planned parenthood". Her and "planned parenthood's" goal were to rid the earth of "below par" individuals based not only on intellect, but race. Her rationale for this was that "we selectively breed animals--why not humans?"
Most people think that the eugenics movement started with the nazis--nothing could be further from the truth. It started right here in the good old USA with the so-called "intellectuals".
Bishop Fulton J. Sheen (remember him?) had it right when he said that "it was easier for a so-called "educated" intellectual to rationalize (and justify) evil".

Alan Colmes
Alan would rather be clever than honest.

Rudolf the pinko appologist
Remember kids, when YOU are about to have sex with, well, whoever, Rudolf says,"A 15-year old girl should be able to decide on her own with whom she wants to have sex", so by all means go for it, and get on down to "Planned Molester Enablers" where guys like Rudolf think you should go. Don't talk to your parents, they might be "right-wing nuts", waiting to spoil your fun.

(to "Roto-Rooter" theme)
Call Rudolf pinko,
That's the name,
Away goes yer baby,
Down the drain!

Teen abortion!
Don't tell parents!
Sex for AAAAAAALLL!

Statutory rape
The best cure for so called men like the live in boy friend, is
A .45 CAL VASCETOMY.

The old coot

And yet lefties complain....
And yet every time we point out the IRREFUTABLE FACT that one of the goals of the radical left is to legalize -- or at the very least decriminalize -- child molestation, they cry foul.

It's litterally getting ridiculous. It is things like this that make the pro-homosexual "rights" groups look utterly stupid when the scream "slippery slope" when homosexual marriage is compared to pedophile marriage.

Sorry, but facts are facts. Planned Parenthood's open endorsement of child rape is simply the beginning.

We have a judge here in Massachusetts (who, thankfully, was forced into retirement...it's just too bad this dolt is granted their pension) who, after a jury convicted a man of raping a 16-year-old girl, SCREAMED at the prosecutor for DARING to recommend a prison sentence, then went on to blame the rape on the victim, and pointed out that the rapist was the true victim and refused to sentence him to ANY prison time whatsoever.

We have a judge in Vertmont who, after a man admitted in open court to raping a child THOUSANDS of times over a 4 year period when she was between the ages of 6 and 10 years old, sentenced him to "time served"...."time served" WHILE FREE! This man was to serve NO prison time AT ALL. It was only after Bill O'Reilly took up the story that the judge changed his mind and decided to sentence him to a meanial prison sentence.

Is it really any wonder that the left wing in this nation has more fondness for the Islamic faith than the Christian faith? After all, Mohammad was a notorious child molester, where one of his wives, when he married her, was just **7** years old!

If a lady isn't ready for a baby
then she shouldn't be having sex!! If she knows FOR sure that she doesn't want to ever have children - she should seek for a hysterectomy or sterilization. It would make more sense if she did that than have the blood of a baby on her hands. Why aren't people being prosecuted for killing these little ones. If a woman is so worried about her rights, then why does she not care about the rights of an innocent baby that SHE helped bring into the world?

THE CHOICE IS LIFE

.....Students for Life have made their "choice" and they chose life ...

.....Colmes and the slimy trolls he runs with have chosen death ...pro-choice to them means abortion .....COLOSSUS

my favorite Alan Colmes moment
The guest was Jeri Thompson, Sen. Fred Thompson's wife.

Alan asked a question. Jeri started to answer it. Alan cut her off with some of his usual snotty attitude. Then Jeri cut *him* off, and laid down the law: something to the effect of "here's how it's going to work, Alan: you ask a question and then wait while I answer it."

She stomped on him, and he didn't repeat the behavior. It was a thing of beauty.


+++

Not a democracy, will
Hey will, are you smarter than a fifth grader? this is not a democracy. This is a republic. If it were a democracy you, as a minority, would have no chance to get any of your pro gay laegislation passed. It is only because this is a republic that you have a chance. Take the time to look into the difference between the two.

colmes
i quit watching hannity and colmes because colmes nauseates me. he spouts the exact democratic party line of lies in every circumstance, that is expected of a liberal. but his constant rudeness to every guest that doesnt agree with him gets extremely tiresome. if colmes is leaving hannity and colmes, that is good news for hannity. surely there is a liberal somewhere who is not rude.

@ 2shothipshot.
Your reaction proves it all. I guess I was wrong in that this was a hypothetical case, since the girl on Fox News went undercover to PP and was just pretending. In my native country the Netherlands AIDS-rates, STD-rates, teenage-pregnancy-rates, and abortion rates are all significantly lower than in the US. Why? Less poverty, more of an open attitude about sex, better sex education, I think those are some of the reasons. Can be done in the US too. What is wrong with that? Societal problems are often best solved with a practical approach in mind.

Statutory Rape a la PP
Since the time Planned Parenthood has been doing abortions, many millions of abortions have been performed and I will bet that hundreds of thousands of the cases were with females under sixteen.

Undoubtedly, a large fraction of those cases were, in fact, cases of statutory rape. Where are the statistics that tell us how many of those cases were actually reported to the authorities by PP?

My guess is few, if any. If we could get a handle on these statistics, it would be an an easy case to make that PP has regularly and deliberately violated the law.

It is a disgrace that no law enforcement agency, to my knowledge, has ever undertaken a sting operation on such an obvious target. This, again, is political correctness which kills.

Until we can develop a legal casebacked up with undeniable statistics that will hold up in court, they will go on with their daily slaughter.

SFLA sting
Dr. Adams is absolutely right--but the federal government should not be funding abortion mills in the first place.

depressing
It is depressing reading Adams columns and realizing he is a professor teaching students who may actually not know any better than what he tells them.

Is it actually possible that Adams does not know that Planned Parenthood avoids reporting girls who want day after birth control for girls who are not willing to go to the police, but do want to avoid becoming pregnant, because such girls would be afraid to come to them if they thought that it was equivalent to going to the police.

I suppose it is possible. Adams does not seem to be someone who cares to actually understand the motivations of the people whose motivations he describes. So it is possible that he really has that poor an understanding of what is going on. Or it is possible he is only counting on his readership to misunderstand.

The obvious result of planned parenthood having a reputation for turning cases of girls who don't want to go to the police into the police would be more girls not getting morning after pills and just praying they don't get pregnant. It also would mean more later abortions, although I guess if one believes that life begins before implantation maybe that doesn't matter.

This is a tricky issue. And the idea of a sting in such a case is clearly driven more by hatred of Planned Parenthood than by concern for victims of abuse of statuatory rape. Planned Parenthood is in a difficult position because their concern is with the girls who come to them afraid they might be pregnant. If one is not really concerned about the girls, then the issue does become more black and white.

@ Lon.
That's a good point.

Barack Obama and FOCA

"The first thing I'd do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act."
Barack Obama, July, 2008 Speech at Planned Parenthood Conference

What is FOCA or Freedom of Choice Act?

The Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA) is legislation Obama has co-sponsored along with 18 other senators that would annihilate every single state law limiting or regulating abortion, including the federal ban on partial birth abortion and the Federal BAIPA law.

Besides making abortion on demand a 'fundamental right' throughout the United States, FOCA would effectively nullify informed consent laws, waiting periods, health safety regulations for abortion clinics, etc.

Furthermore, medical professionals and institutions that refused abortions also would lose legal protections. FOCA would expose individuals, organizations, and governments - including federal, state, and local government agencies - to costly civil actions for purported violations of the act.
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Barack Obama is against Parental notification.
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Transporting Minors Across State Lines to Obtain Abortions While serving in the United States Senate, Obama voted against the Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act (S.403), a bill designed to prevent minors from being taken across state lines without the consent of the parents to have an abortion in circumvention of the laws of 45 states which require parental consent or notification in order for a minor to have an abortion.

-Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act (S.403); vote number 2006-216 on July 25, 2006


Lon
So the answer for the scared girls is to remain in their current situation in which child-rape is occurring. Ok, if you say so. I love your solution -- if doing nothing in this case can be considered a solution -- while you put his solution down. At least his solution addresses the nightly rape circumstances.

You know, Lon, sometimes we as adults have to do things children don't like. Imagine that. I'm sorry that's such a terrifying prospect for you.

Obama wants to reduce abortions???

"The first thing I'd do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act."
Barack Obama, July, 2008 Speech at Planned Parenthood Conference

What is FOCA or Freedom of Choice Act?

The Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA) is legislation Obama has co-sponsored along with 18 other senators that would annihilate every single state law limiting or regulating abortion, including the federal ban on partial birth abortion and the Federal BAIPA law.

Besides making abortion on demand a 'fundamental right' throughout the United States, FOCA would effectively nullify informed consent laws, waiting periods, health safety regulations for abortion clinics, etc.

Furthermore, medical professionals and institutions that refused abortions also would lose legal protections. FOCA would expose individuals, organizations, and governments - including federal, state, and local government agencies - to costly civil actions for purported violations of the act.
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Barack Obama is against Parental notification.
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Transporting Minors Across State Lines to Obtain Abortions While serving in the United States Senate, Obama voted against the Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act (S.403), a bill designed to prevent minors from being taken across state lines without the consent of the parents to have an abortion in circumvention of the laws of 45 states which require parental consent or notification in order for a minor to have an abortion.

-Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act (S.403); vote number 2006-216 on July 25, 2006


Alan colmes, please shut up
I could not agree more. I do not watch Hannity/colmes any more. Cannot take Alan colmes. He really belongs with Keith Oberman, Soledad Obrein,Chris matthews, and the rest of the Liberal loons. Hannity does not need Colmes. Good bye.

Lon
Should abortion be used as birth control?

I am happy to watch
Colmes leave the show. His views are very hard to slawlow...making the show totally unpallatable to watch.
There are many Americans that are not fortunate enough to bear children...so why is genocide a favorable path to follow when you can give that child the opportunity to live?. Imagine all the talents waisted, future doctors to discover cures, nurses, teachers, mom, astronaut, preacher, all those wasted souls who never had a "Choice". isn't adoption an alternative?

Lon you are correct
Planned parenthood is in a difficult place. If they follow the law they risk losing hundreds of millions of dollars in profits. Of course this is the same difficult place many corporation find them self. Think at how much more profit drug companies could make if they how just ignore FDA regulations. Think about how much more profits the food or toy industary could make if they always just ignored a few silly laws designed to protect the public.

No one should question Planned Parenthoods right to ignore the law and risk their millions in profit just to protect the health and safety of a few unimportant girls.

old coot, reply 49
hey, old coot, i'm an old cootette. My mama didn't have a live in boyfriend. My daddy made sure any boy i went out with knew he had better behave. My daddy made sure i was home at a certain time and he knew where i was going and with whom. maybe that's why we didn't need pp on every street corner. we had DADDIES with 45 cal. rules. i truly feel sorry for young girls today who have lost the protection of society in the name of feminism and "choice." what a choice they are being offered.

Funny how Alan Colmes
was so supportive of the government attack on the FLDS compound in Texas which was triggered by a false report. A report the government knew was false from the start. Colmes thought that was good thing and stated often that the government had to act just in case there might possible be some type of law breaking or that there might possible be some child at risk for something unknown.

It is hard to think of a bigger hypocrit than Colmes.

rudolph
you need to go back home for a visit. just a couple of days ago we heard that amsterdam is cracking down on the sex-drug district. it ain't near so wonderful as you would have us believe. and living the life of a prostitute, paid or otherwise, isn't either. this is America. sexual slavery, paid or otherwise, is not a moral alternative here.

Pregnacy is 100% perventable.

Only Liberals believe Taxpayers should be funding other people's abortion.

The media
does the same thing when exposing fraud or corruption in businesses and other institutions. I've seen a number of shows about this on TV. No one says journalists shouldn't go under cover to get their story because they are lying. What rubbish! It's the issue Colmes doesn't like. If this had been a couple of teenagers exposing corrupt or illegal church practices, Colmes would have been lauding them.

Bravo to the SFLA
for exposing the "abortion first" mantra at PP.

Colmes is a weenie.

Aside from ridiculous accusations, his other favorite tack when the libs are being accused is, "everybody's doing it."

He's so predictable. I'm glad he's leaving H&C.

Pass the mustard.

Please understand Mr. Colmes
Liberals believe that children reason when they make choices about sex. They are not influenced by hormones, emotions and the currently popular, holding hands and publicly kissing members of their same sex because they like to think that other people think whatever it is they think they think. When actually most people know they will grow up eventually.

Colmes
I saw this episode and was appalled at how Colmes treated these two girls. Its as if they were the ones on trial for reporting a rape that did not occur in their effort to see if Planned Parenthood was reacting as required under the law. This same method of investigation is what is done on "60 Minutes" regularly or by sending a "customer" into a brake repair or muffler service to expose scam artists. The police use this method in sting cases all the time and it is not "entrapment". It is the only way to find out if the group being investigated is doing their job. They certainly don't volunteer their lack of compliance or keep records of it. In this case, their record was an absolute lie.

Colmes spent his time chastising the investigators and not the problem which is Planned Parenthood.

Tj and Retired Geek
Excellent posts re: the racist founder of PP and the effect of abortion on the black community. How absurd is it that Obama can listen to the anti-white conspiracy theories of Wright, but then turn around and support an organization founded on eugenics? Planned Parenthood clinics were purposely placed mainly in poor and Black neighborhoods to control the population growth of these residents. All you have to do to find out if this is true is to read Margret Sanger's own writings.

Silly logic but a decent point
By the author's line of logic, pro-choice people should be anti-abortion because an abortion would take away the future choices that the child would make if it was born. Okay. Then by that same line of logic, all people who call themselves pro-life should be anti-war, anti-death penalty, should be lobbying for medical care for every living person in this country who needs life saving medical treatments but can't afford them and therefore does not get them, anti-poverty, and anti-pollution. They should be fighting to provide medical, educational, housing, clothing, and food benefits to every child born whose parents cannot provide that for them. It goes both ways.

As far as case that Colmes was talking about, Planned Parenthood does indeed need to be reporting statutory rapes and they need to change their policies to ensure that this happens. SFLA didn't use the most ethical methods to do this "sting" but I think what they have brought to light is important. While I support Planned Parenthood's mission, I think they need to take steps to correct this problem.


Richard
You have your anti-planned parenthood propoganda backwards. If planned parenthood makes a practice of going to the police, then girls will not go to them when birth control might work and they would get to perform a lot more abortions. Don't you know that the evil planned parenthood is trying to get more girls pregnant so they can make their profits on abortion?

Ok, in reality they probably don't make money on abortion given the expenses involved and the lack of resources of their clientele. But if you try to make the case that Planned Parenthood would rather prevent pregnancy than perform abortions you kind of prove the lie of the more common attacks on Planned Parenthood.

Jimbo
It is not clear why you think that planned parenthood scaring girls away from getting the morning after pill would lead to child rape not occurring. I suppose when those victims get pregnant then it will be obvious to all that a crime has occurred, but do you really favor an increase in teen pregnancy in order to get the abusers? That seems like abuse to girls who are already being abused. Are you thining about the victims here at all?

bostguy112
No abortion should not be used as birth control. That is rather the point. Birth control should be used as birth control. If one makes planned parenthood (and all other providers of the morning after pill) scary to abused girls, then they are more likely to take the risk that they did not become pregnant, and then you wind up using abortion as birth control on those girls who were doubly unlucky.

I certainly see why it is important to get the men abusing these girls, but it is precisely because I don't think the girls benefit from using abortion as birth control that I can understand why planned parenthood does not want to scare them away until they are in that position.

I would rather help abused girls not be abused and pregnant girls in the first place.

Crazy people
Take goodness and common sense and throw them out the window. Now you have the humanist religion. Reason will not bring you to Truth. But is should at the very least bring you to the conclusion that there is a Creator. DUH! You are here.

Without God we can say anything and believe it is True. Hence Truth does not exist for humanists. So the ability to reason is lost and insanity is the end result.

Joycey
Believing or not believing in God has nothing to do with truth. I can be an athiest and say that fish can speak english and my non-belief in God does not make my statement about fish anymore true than your absolute belief in God makes him exist.

Basically, God has nothing to do with this.

Joycey
Since God can do anything, believing in God should allow you to believe anything. If you don't believe in God you are actually a bit more limitied because you can't just throw in a miracle when the facts don't fit your theory.

Of course if one adds additional assumptions along with the one about a creator that can place some limits, but that is true without a creator as well.

The Next Big TV Sensation
The Olberman and Colmes Show would be cables highest rated sitcom, or the lowest rated porno, with all the funny feelings in the pants they would give each other.

Lon,
you can't be serious. You said: "Ok, in reality they probably don't make money on abortion given the expenses involved and the lack of resources of their clientele." In 2006-2007 alone, PPFA made over $1,000,000,000 PROFIT. Taxpayer funding was $336,000,000. Hardly a struggling public service agency.

Nate
If there is no God, how is it possible to know 'truth'? Is there no ultimate truth-if there isn't, there can *be* no truth. There has to be a standard-and Man's 'reason' ain't it, fella. Hitler after all had and used his capacity to reason.

If God is not good, how then do we distinguish between good and evil, right and wrong, black and white? Whose idea was it, if not His?

If there were no such thing as Light, we wouldn't know darkness if it hit us in the face-you can't know one without the other's existence.

I'm not saying you're an evil person because you don't believe in God. Yours is a social morality rather than a spiritual one; it's on a different plane than the morality we all are accountable to God for. But you and your fellow travelers are surely only silly at best in your thinking that puny little man can be the arbiter of all that is right and true.


Correction
That would be $1 billon in total profits, not one year profits. Sorry, typing too fast.

Lon
I would agree with you , it (abortion) shouldnt be used as birth control. But i have to believe that quite a few are. I know of at least 3 women that had them for that reason. One of them had 3 for that reason. those are the only women i know (personally) that had abortions (i should say that admittied to it) Its 3 for 3 that it was used specifically for birth control. I'm wondering the percentage of all abortions that are for that reason.

No Lon you have it backwards
Planned Parenthood makes millions off abortion and birthcontrol if they reported these young girls being raped they would risk losing that business. Remember Planned Parenthood is not now and never has been about protection women or girls it has always been about profit and for its founder racism. If the KKK had the same PR department as Planned Parenthood had in 1930 they would have offices in ever nieghborhood and be tax supported. They only difference between the KKK anb PPFA is the latter had better PR department.

PRO-CHOICE
Let's stop giving abortionists an innocent sobriquet such as, "pro-choice". If there is one thing that abortionist are is killers. So let's name them properly and called them by their correct name "PRO-DEATH". May be then people will realize how evil they are,

And for the record
before some member of the loony left says I'm just an anti-choice nut. I support a womans right to have an abortion once she has all the facts, I also think that if its a woman's choice then the choice to pay child support should be a mans choice, fair is fair.

I can support abortion rights while opposing an corrupt criminal org like Planned Parenthood just as I can support religion while opposing the Catholic church position on priest abusing boys.

LON
There are still Jews left in this world. Does that mean there was no genocide in Hitlers Germany?
This issue is tricky? Everytime you libs get caught up in your lies, you say the issue is tricky. Just because the truth is sometimes a little embarrasing or maybe even painful, telling the truth is not tricky.

I need an edit button!
Here are the straight facts: In 2006-2007 PP had over $1 billion in total income and $114.8 million in profits. Here it is straight from the non-profit horse's mouth: http://www.lifeissues.org/pp/report_06-07.pdf

Still think abortion providers only want to help women?

Get over yourselves
The day I see all of you anti-choice people lining up to adopt all the unwanted children is the day I will believe you are really serious about "wanting what's best for the potential baby". How many unwanted children has Mr. Adams adopted? None. Just like the rest of you. All talk and no action. Talk is cheap and easy. This is just another example of the "religious" trying to impose their religion on the rest of us. Californias prop 8 is also nothing less than the religious views of some being forced on everyone.

re Lon on Planned Parenthood
Lon, you seem firmly convinced that planned parenthood has neither financial nor political considerations and is only just there to help. My BS meter is pegged out.

AL
The jewish population took a serious hit, and was decimated in areas in which the Nazis had control. There is nothing vaguely similar happening in the black community, and nothing vaguely similar being attempted.

It is true that jews still exist, some even survived in Germany. But this really is one issue on which people who claim there is a black genocide going on in this country might as well just say "nothing I say about this issue deserves to be taken seriously because I am such a zealot that I cannot distinguish between what is reasonable and what is not."

I'll beleive the pro-choice
movement cares about women when I see them supporting capital punishment for rapist. Anyone who is pro-chioce and anti-capital punishment is a hypocrat of the worst sort.

Its the pro-choice anti-capital punishment people that are forcing their religion on the general public.

Hey Former,
how do you know they are not being adopted? In my circle of friends alone, five families have adopted a total of 11 minority children. Why don't stop your polemics?

Andrea
Planned Parenthood is a non-profit, it does not make profits. It does, as any sensible non-profit will, sometimes make more money than it spends which then gets reinvested into the business to make improvement to its business infrastructure (facilties and the like). This is all very normal stuff that non-profits do. It is only because of the area that Planned Parenthood does its work that people try to portray it as something exceptional, and that does more to discredit the critics than planned parenthood.

Obviously PP is open to serious criticism, but so much of the criticism it gets isn't actually serious. (The issue of whether they should report incidences that they believe to be statuatory rape is much more serious than the fact that they build up their financial reserves, or that they are undertaking a fictional black genocide).

Planned Parenthood provides a variety of services. I do not know which are the profitable ones, and since a lot of their revenues come through charitable donation, there may be no sense to breaking down things in that way. The money they get from the government is for non-abortion services, so it is possible that they take a loss on abortion, but then for all I know it is possible that they don't.

The practice described above would actually cut into their abortion business, which was the point I was making in my post.

Former_Rep
You're an idiot. Adoption waiting lists for babies are years long...

Planned Parenthood Is BIG BUSINESS!
Good grief, killing babies generates billions of dollars for those who participate in tearing apart the bodies of babies which are living breathing and heart beating human beings who are sentenced to death and are innocent before some Frankenstein doctor performs his heinous violent act upon them and if they live then they throw them in a closet or on a roof top to die which are cases under investigation or send some bleeding kid whose parents are unaware is bleeding to death or is sterile for life. Good grief, can't Obama who voted three times for infanticide and these adult women and doctors think of some thing better to do with their lives than kill babies for profit and produce videos for teens with some old guy as their encouraging mentor on how to be permiscuous and then some? No wonder this country is coming under judgment! Wake up, America, killing babies isn't the answer to generating money for all, but for those involved in this insane and immoral movement for profit using young girls and babies to life comfortably.

Richard
You have not actually explained how reporting those acts of statuatory rape would cost them any business. You seem to think you are putting forth evidence that PP is evil, but you are actually only making wild claims.

Now it is possible that if they reported such cases than young girls would stop going to them for birth control, but as you know from biology class, this would mean more of them would get pregnant. And that means more abortions for PP. So what is your basis for thinking that PP would perform fewer abortions. Is the idea that young girls would be so scared of being turned in to the police that they would carry babies to term and so, your pro-choice view is that young girls have the right to be terrified into carrying abusers babies to term? Or are you thinking that to protect the abusers, these young girls would go to back alley abortionists rather than PP to avoid having to go to the police?

I don't want to dismiss the view that PP should try to find these abusers where possible. But this attitude that they are simply trying to make money by not doing so seems to suggest that the people making it hate PP a lot more than they care about the well being of young girls.

For people who care about the girls involved this is a difficult issue. I am looking for anyone on the anti-abortion side that sees this as a difficult issue.

Thanks Mr. Adams
Fine article and thanks to the young ladies for exposing Planned Parenthood. I would pray PP gets off their ideological arses and corrects this horrible policy of protecting rapists.

As to Alan Colmes, nothing can be done. Just another perverted liberal, its quite common.

Ernest
I can understand your viewpoint. Most people on the pro-choice side believe that the anti-abortion side is full of people who are more intent on controlling women's bodies, and punishing girls for having sex than they are concerned with abortion itself. Given that they see a woman's control of her body as a fundamental right, it is not surprising that they read bad motives into anyone who would try to limit it in this way.

But it is a mistake to try to understand someone's motives by taking them to believe things that you believe and they clearly do not.

This is a big country, and there are a lot of unwanted pregnancies here, in part because we have people trying to limit discussion of birth control. The result is that planned parenthood is a large operation.

But the reality is that doctors who work for planned parenthood make less money than doctors who work for wealthy clients, and face harassment of a kind that other doctors do not. The same is true of the nurses and clerks on down the line.

Planned Parenthood is simply not a place one should work if one is motivated more by money than principle (even if it requires principles that are the opposite of yours).

There may be some executives at the top who are milking the organization for excessive money, but the great majority of PP employees are making less than they would elsewhere. Despite the need for anti-abortion people to believe otherwise, that is the case.

Try to think about what working at PP would be like given the protests and harassment. Where do you think the moneygrubbing fits in for those workers?

bostguy112
I am not sure exactly how you are defining abortion as birth control. Would it include cases in which birth control was used, possibly incorrectly, and failed? Or are you talking about people who said to themselves, "I don't need to use birth control because if I get unlucky and get pregnant, I can always have an abortion". I doubt there are many people in this last group, but that most abortions are somewhere in between.

Or by as birth control do you simply mean not to protect the health of the mother or because of some deformity of the baby? My impression is that these kinds of abortions account for almost all of the middle and late term abortions but probably only a small percentage of the first term abortions.

I certainly do not approve of all decisions to have an abortion. People on the pro-choice side sometimes make the mistake of thinking that believing that legally it should be the mother's choice requires believing that that choice is not an ethical one. But that is nonsense.

I have no doubt that many abortions are immoral irresponsible choices. But I don't think the government should be involved in medical decisions even if they may be immoral irresponsible ones.

Bad Baehavior
Who cares about some mandate forcing Planned Parenthood to report this. The person who heard one of these girls talk about this statutory rape should have reported it for the safety of the minor involved, period. That is a failure of common human decency. A girl forced to live with a man of this character, cries out for help from better-knowing adults. None existed at this Planned Parenthood site. The actions of the SFLA in this instance, however, are very dishonest. They entered PP with an agenda and carried out this ploy under false pretenses. I understand their motive, but the method is not helping their cause.

Good Will The Hunter
I have to laugh at Will, the "decent, middle class homosexyouall, who defends Alan Colmes position on the PP. A person like Will should be aghast at what PP is doing in the "urban" areas of America. Since the "decent, middle class homosexyouall's" state that they were all homosexyouall at birth, doesn't Will bemoan the loss of his future prey, oops I mean partner's? How many young, fey lads have been aborted in say, the last twenty years?

Lon
Your comment, "I have no doubt that many abortions are immoral irresponsible choices. But I don't think the government should be involved in medical decisions even if they may be immoral irresponsible ones."
is at the heart of the debate.

Pro-lifers (including me) believe that abortion is murder.

The government has the duty to protect the life of its citizens. The government has the right to make laws outlawing murder.

The government has every right to be involved.

No, Lon,
No, Lon, what it would mean is fewer girls being molested because men will know that its harder to cover up their crime.

It will also mean fewer girls CHOOSING to have sex with their peers because they will know that they can't cover it up if they get pregnant.

If a 15yo isn't old enough to drive, drink, smoke, buy a handgun or even have her ears pierced without parental consent she certainly isn't old enough to make an informed, reasoned decision about having sex and therefore has no business having sex with ANYONE. Period.

Despite their immaturity, teen girls (and teen guys too), are not so stupid that they won't change their behavior when the reward is reduced and the penalty is increased.

Even a dog will do that much and, as dumb as teens who get into sex too soon are, they are at least a little brighter than dogs.

JM051,
"To listen to your description Planned Parenthood is like a p*mp."

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day and, though you didn't intend to, you just had your moment.

Planned Parenthood is EXACTLY like a p*mp -- making their millions by victimizing everyone who comes in contact with them.

The only "family planning" they do is planning to eliminate families and planning to make sure that they have plenty of repeat customers to fill their coffers.

Good riddance Alan Colmes
Alan Colmes' lashing out at SFLA reminds me of the liberal reaction to Linda Tripp when they discovered she had secretly taped Monica Lewinsky - and thereby came up with the evidence that conclusively showed Bill Clinton was a liar. When one of their icons was shown to be flawed, rather than be outraged at their icon, the liberals wanted the scalp of the messenger - Linda Tripp then, SFLA now.

Yet another example of the unashamed liberal hypocrisy of contemporary America: liberals piously demand that all the rest of us must submit to the rules of laws THEY pass because they are now "settled law" - yet they reserve for themselves the freedom to openly defy laws THEY don't like. I've seen so many PERSONAL examples of this among liberals (some of which I've shared on this site) that it is in my mind a given about contemporary liberals.

Can't say I'll miss Alan Colmes. The only problem is, Fox is likely to replace him with someone equally if not MORE brain-dead: the liberal left has no shortage of candidates there.

Maybe what's going to have to happen is that some vicious serial rapist-murderer finally gets caught - and then it's discovered that because of the defiance of abortion providers to laws requiring them to report criminal sexual activity, it's discovered that this rapist would have been caught years before had only an abortion provider obeyed the law. And then the people - and especially WOMEN - of this nation will realize that they can't have it both ways, that if they want abortion to be a sacrosanct and thereby unchallengeable practice, they WILL pay a price in public and personal safety.

Age
Some think that the human brain is not completely mature until the mid twenties. If so, then a 15 year old surely is not mature enough to make life changing decisions. The pill was supposed to separate sex from reproduction. It obviously has not done so. The flaw is probably not the chemical, but in the failure to take it properly. However, the pill does not prevent venereal disease, including that equal opportunity killer, HIV.
I am in favor of planned parenthood, but not Planned Parenthood. Abortion as a means of birth control is not a good strategy socially and economically to leave out any moral or religious objection to it. Do humans have a soul? If so, when is its beginning? To put it another way, when is the beginning of personhood?
Donald W. Bales, M.D. retired

Lon
Judging by all your post on this article, I would have to say that abortion is your religion and Planned Abortionhood is your church. Good luck with that!

Profit Margin - PP vs Exxon/Mobil

Health Center Income $357,000,000 (35.06%)
Government Grants and Contracts $337,000,000 (33.08%)
Private Contributions and Bequests $259,000,000 (25.42%)
Other Operating Revenue $66,000,000 (6.44%)

Total Revenue $1,018,000,000 (100.00%)
All expenses $903,000,000
Excess of Revenue over Expenses $115,000,000

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Net Margin 11.28%
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Exxon-Mobil

Total Revenue $404,552,000,000
Total Expenses - Including Income Taxes $363,942,000,000
Excess of Revenue over Expenses $40,610,000,000

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Net Margin 10.04%
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Planned Parenthood has a higher 'Profit Margin' than Exxon/Mobil.

L.A. Times owner files for bankruptcy
Hey, did y'all see that the Tribune Co. - owner of the L.A. Times and Chicago Tribune and the Baltimore Sun, among others - just filed for bankruptcy?

Just breaks your heart, doesn't it?

Wouldn't surprise me one bit, however, if the Obama Administration and the new Democratic Congress, once installed, extend a bailout to it and to other liberal media corporations whose organs are losing money hand over fist. And that if that happens, conservative media that is doing well financially constantly remind the nation of it.

Just goes to show that liberal media organs have become so vapid that even LIBERALS find them unsatisfying. Just look at Air America as an example.

Alan Colmes and PP
I watched the Hannity and Colmes show that night and literally wanted to reach out and strangle Alan. His logic was obsurd!!!!

I do agree that these women should have worked in conjunction with the police dept. by notifying them of their activities. However, the underlying intent to document the response of PP is noble and their (PP) lack of response should bring about criminal charges. Perhaps we need to have more citizens that will take action to report on those who are mandated by law.

Many in here are forgetting the facts - this woman charged her mother's boyfriend with rape. If PP isn't going to protect girls from rape by reporting to Child Protective Services, who will. The trauma that ensues to a child who has no control over her living arrangements, is subjected to sexual molestation and rape, is unbelievable - and now faces an abortion??? There are many children who are in that predicament (including fathers who bring their daughters to PP for abortions due to incestual sexual relations). If we don't protect our children, this will become a generational crisis! It's a fact that those that are perpetrated on as children often become a perpetrator.


Pro-life includes adoption, caring for the child, or allowing extended family to raise the child. Pro-choice should include, not just abortion, but all of the above! It doesn't seem to be the case. Some people were aghast at the thought that Sarah Palin decided to care for a disabled child but she was PRO CHOICE and PRO LIFE. It was HER CHOICE!

Let's get things into perspective. What you do with your body and the life in that body is your choice but we all pay for our decisions in some form or fashion. What a child does is totally different and requires adult protection and guidance. That's why we have a mandated reporting law.

Alan should know that and so should PP!

Thanks to these two young women
for exposing Planned Parenthood for the fraudulent operation it is! There is no way anyone can mistake the manner in which this case was handled. Had the facts been true, and the PP person did not know they weren't, that decision to not report a rape would be a CRIMINAL offense!

There is no way this should be taken lightly.

I'm glad I didn't watch this show - perhaps Alan C is going to continue his despicable ways until the end of the year when he will be gone! Perhaps then I might begin to watch the show again. Alan is a rude, uncaring individual and I hope that the producer/director took note of the anger of Dick Morris when he finally told Alan to shut up so he could speak or he wouldn't appear on the show again. We cheered when Dick made that statement!!!!


Lon
I admit that I know little about the laws governing non-profit vs. for-profit organizations, but this seems like a ridiculously high "surplus" for a charitable organization. If the goal is to make abortions less frequent as Obama and Clinton before him tell us, then why is so much money needed to expand services? Since both the "surplus" and the number of abortions performed keeps rising, it would appear that the decrease is not happening. Why is that?

Which Colmes has Adams been watching?
I've never respected him. He makes disingenuous statements, ignores direct refutations of points he makes as he tries to debate guests on "Hannity and Colmes", and generally rides Hannity's coattails.

A particularly appropriate satire appeared in an episode of "The Simpsons". The Fox News ticker included this item: "Coming up--'Hannity and Idiot' ".

Seriously, did anyone even know who he was, before he was teamed up with Hannity?

Good luck to that knucklehead as he leaves for whatever new heights might await him.

No child molester left behind
Alan Colmes is a total idiot. Thank goodness, he is leaving the show Hannity and Colmes. Hope he sinks at whatever he will be doing next, because he definitely stinks at this job.

Liberals say the darndest things!
Alan Colmes wants to deride two young women for performing a public service that no government agency has the spine to conduct (exposing the prevalent aiding and abetting of sexual predators). Yet he and his fellow libs claim to be the most compassionate people on Earth. I guess its up to us mean conservatives to stand up for rape victims. Also, even if one is pro-choice, one should still appreciate the efforts of SFLA. They are exposing an evil organization (Planned Parenthood) that is using our tax dollars to subsidize statutory rape. These scumbags claim to be helping women, while at the same time injuring their bodies and sending them home to perverts. What has our country come to?

P.S. Mike, I was looking forward to reading your plan to stop uninformed voters. I hope you remember to write it soon.

Immature Liberals
Liberal policies appeal to young people because their whole way of thinking is immature.

Colmes's argument is similar to the teen caught with marijuana in his bedroom and getting mad because his parents invaded his privacy.

Right info Mike
5 stars.
Who else thinks Alan looks like the main dude in Nightmare before Christmas?

LMFAO

PLANNED PARENTHOOD--YEAH, RIGHT
How long can these Cretins be allowed to pedal thier lies and false information? Planned Parenthood should have its 501c3 taken away--they have no place in mainstream thought.

Oh, they are not involved with false marketing? Then WHERE'S THE PLANNING FOR PARENTHOOD?

I ONLY SEE PLANNING FOR SINGLE PARTYING, FREE SEX WITH NO RESPONSIBILITY!

ROWDY BOOTS

READ A BOOK

Good Article
And correct. Colmes has been leaning more and more to the left and becoming more hateful over the last year especially. When I first started watching, I thought he was more fair.

This isn't the first time PP has been caught in nefarious deeds. They've been set up before and failed the sting. Not to mention the filthy advertisements they've been running online, geared toward teens and encouraging all kinds of sexual activity. They should not receive one cent of taypayer monies. They are a wicked organization. Everything that one poster here said about their beginnings and about Margaret Sanger is true. I have a copy of the book that documents it.

Someone on O'Reilly's program this evening told how she caught a cab recently and the driver was lamenting how he left his country to escape socialism and moral depravity and is so upset to see America going down the same path. Now he does not know where to go to escape it again. That pretty much tells us just how bad things are, does it not? Very, very sad, to see what's happened to our great country.

Liberal Arguments for Morons 101:
Lesson 1) What to say when your side is caught, red handed, facilitating statutory rape, child molestation, incest (ie; garden variety liberal partying), etc.

"Hey man! Like you guys are like a bunch of hypocrites or somethin'! I mean, what about Jimmy Swagart ? Yeah, wadda ya got ta say about that, HUH !?! Heh, I guess I shut that hypocrite up. Common bro, let's go get a six pack and cruise the Jr. Highschool..."

Never say that last part out loud because, unless you're with a Kennedy, someone might call you on it. Also, when you're done "entertaining" your new young friend(s), just bring them directly to your local "Planned Prenthood" office for destruction of any proof, er,uh, to help them deal with any unwanted malignancies such as: "unviable tissue masses", syphillis, ideas about reporting your wonderful lovefest, etc.

See you next week when we'll be discussing what a creep Jesus REALLY was, and other Bible "fun facts".

Testimonials:
(kool m.) "Man, I just loves learnin' me some Bible fun facts after nailin' a brownie!"

(wobbie nobbler) "I yuzed ta theenk Amarka wus a goud cuntra, then I lernt wut kinda nazis we reelly is. Thaink yoo, 'L.A.M. 101'."

Colmes
Alan Colmes is a total moran..I don't understand how Shaun Hannity has been able to sit there with him all this time without standing up and chocking him. He is NEVER wrong and his arguments are some of the dumbest I have ever heard. I am hopeful though...apparantly he is leaving the show..for whatever the reason I don't know..He never lets a person finish a point, but a few have his number and interupt him and keep talking..I love it. I think we should be patient..because he won't be there much longer..and I will be thrilled..I comment Hannity for putting up with him as long as he has.

Susan
Likewise, I commend Alan for putting up with Hannity for as long as he did. Shaun Hannity's main tactic seems to be yelling at the people he disagrees with as loudly and rudely as possible so that they get flustered and cannot respond. To some this may look like he's standing up for what he believes in but it's just a gimmick and a tactic. I see him do this on his TV show and on his radio show when a caller does get through that calls him out on something.

The guy is sharp though, I will give him that, and he can turn an argument around pretty well. I think though, of all the conservative radio hosts, he is second to only Michael Savage when it comes to being infuriating. He frequently repeats himself and he really needs to stop with the Obama, Ayers, Wright shtick. The election is over and the American people were not swayed by the constant repeating of those people's names.

Andrea
You seem to be confused about Planned Parenthood's business. Abortion is part of it, but so are various family planning services which reduce the need for abortions. I know there is this need for the pro-life people to believe PP is evil, but it is not surprising that when one begins with silly assumptions it is not surprising that one does not understand what follows.

During the Clinton years, when pro-choice policies were in the ascendency abortion rates decreased steadily. They actually continued decreasing early in the Bush years, but there is reason to belive that that levelled off. The poor economy and the emphasis on abstinence only education probably plays the biggest role there.

But the way that PP reduces abortion is by making contraception available to poor women, and that requires being present in a lot of neighborhoods. This is a big country, so it is easy to underestimate how much it costs for an organization to cover the poor throughout the country.

Since you see evidence of failure on the part of planned parenthood in the increase in abortions you thought was occurring. Now that you know that abortions have actually been declining do you entertain the possibility that PP is in fact doing what it says it is, trying to prevent unwanted pregnancies first and foremost? Or do you take all evidence, whatever it may be, as showing that PP is evil?

Husker 2
You have gotten at the legitimate debate. I think relatively few Americans actually think abortion is murder. If they did, why would they make exceptions for the case of rape and incest? And why is sending women who "murder" their children to jail so off limits an idea that even the strongest abortion opponents seem to deny they hold it. But of course that is not an argument that it is not murder, only that relatively few people think it is. But whether abortion is murder is a debate worth having.

By contrast, all of these attempts to make Planned Parenthood out to be evil in other ways, as if they were really trying to increase the number of abortions, or most silly that they are trying to wipe out the black population is nonsense. I suspect all of that is just frustration over the fact that people who think abortion is murder have not been successful in convincing other people to agree with them on the serious debate.

AL
I hope what defines your religion and church is not as facile as what you seem to think defines mine. Does your comment make sense even to you?

Mother of 4
Given that having sex with ones peers is not a crime in the example above and would not have to be reported, I am not sure how Planned Parenthood reporting cases in which teens claim that the person they had sex with was not a peer would affect how many teens had sex with their peers.

But I take it what you are suggesting is a good thing is that if there was no planned parenthood of access to contraception for teens and those who molest teens, that would be good because more people who abuse teens would get them pregnant which would lead to more arrests, and more teens who had sex would get pregnant.

So the idea is that what you favor is scaring some molesters and some teens from having sex at the cost of more teen pregnancy, and presumably more abortions that would follow.

I am somewhat doubtful that there would be much of a dent in sexual abuse, after all there are ways to abuse girls that decrease the risk of pregnancy if that is all that is supposed to be stopping them. And do you really favor increasing the number of abortions in the name of reducing the amount of teen sex.

I think it would be good to reduce the rate of teen sex, but I actually put a higher value on reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies, and the number of abortions. Are there a lot of people on the pro-life side who think that reducing sex is more important than reducing abortion?

Lon the economics is pretty easly
to understand. By protecting and encouraging the abuser Planned parenthood ensures a stead source of customers for both its birtcontrol products which it makes millions on and its even more profitable abortion business. It knows that most underage girls could not afford to buy birthcontrol or pay for abortions but the abuser can well afford it and Planned Parenthood makes tens of millions of dollars supporting and aiding these abusers. They really are no different that the drug pusher on the corner. Planned parenthood doesn't report rape because it wants the profit form the rapist.

Richard
That is an interesting theory, although there does not seem to be any evidence to support it. In the "sting" a girl came in looking for the morning after pill and claiming to have had sex with a much older man. The providing of a morning after pill reduces the number of abortions, it doesn't increase it. And it is hard to see the basis for thinking that the money came from this fictional older man.

Obviously if the client at planned parenthood intended to go to the police, they would have done so. So if PP was scheming to increase the number of abortions performed they would be much better off letting it be known that they will go to the police in such cases.

Obviously it could be seen as relevant that the idea that abortion is highly profitable for them is not based on facts, those silly things people use when their concern is with the truth.

Again, there may be some advantage to pro-life people in believing that their adversaries are evil beyond the disagreement as to whether abortion is murder. But it is certainly not an advantage tied in with a concern for the truth.

In some ways Mother of 4 is more honest. At least her opposition to planned parenthood is based on a desire for teenagers who have sex to get pregnant to scare them or teach them a lesson. That is more honest than pretending that the obvious result of PP scaring away abused teens would be an increase in pregnancy among abused teens and the increase in abortion that would follow from that.

Richard
Just to bring out more clearly why mother of 4 has the issues down more clearly, consider the case that was alleged in the article. A fifteen year old girl went to Planned Parenthood, she expressed no sense that this was a crime. The representative of Planned Parenthood let her know this was a crime. I know Adams mentions this because he thinks it is important because it shows the PP rep knew it was a crime. But it seems even more revealing in that it shows that contrary to your spin the rep was not trying to cover for the abuser, instead she was trying to find out whether the girl wanted to take the case to the authorities. Apparently she did not.

So the evidence suggests that PP is prepared to help girls who want to go after their abusers.

After the girl leaves PP is supposed to file a report on the incident. What follows from this report? Presumable law authorities go to the family with the allegation, but there is actually no admissable evidence of a crime. Unless the 15 year old who does not want to go to authorities, changes her mind, there is no actionable evidence at all. Who knows how the family dynamic changes after this, maybe (hopefully) the mother believes the report and kicks out the boyfriend. Possibly the mother turns on the daughter for starting the incident, or maybe when the police talk to the daughter and she denies it that is the end of the matter.

But you don't really get a lot of convictions when there is no evidence, and the victim denies anything happened.

Richard continued
What one does expect is that next time around, the girl does not go to planned parenthood again. Maybe the boyfriend gets scared and never does it again. Maybe he doesn't and this time the girl gets pregnant. My money is on the latter happening more than the former.

But note that the trade off is what it was in Mother of 4's comment, scare people out of having sex at the risk of more pregnancy and more abortion.

As I have said several times now, I can see why Planned Parenthood is not willing to risk the latter.

Although the abuse by the live in boyfriend is pretty creepy, and I am not sure which way I would go on it personally. Again, for people actually concerned with the girl involved it is a difficult case. For people for whom the girl involved would be a mere means to an end, it obviously is pretty simple.

Yep
It seems like a lot of pro-lifers think that those of us that are pro-choice LOVE abortion. That's not the case for most of us. I know a lot of people who are pro-choice but would never think of having an abortion themselves.

What it comes down to is this. Outlawing abortion is taking away the right of a woman to control her own body. You may argue that it is murder because the fetus is in fact, a child. That's fine. Don't have an abortion yourself. To me, a fetus is not an actual child until it is capable of living outside the woman's body without special medical attention. I'm not sure medically when that actually is, I'm sure it varies with each woman.

You'll argue that I call it a fetus to make it less personal and I'll argue that you call it a child to make it more personal. Neither side is necessarily wrong. I'd just say that if you're going to call yourself pro-life, you'd better act like it and oppose the many other things in this world that take lives.

In reply to a comment from someone in PA
I felt inclined to reply to this, if only for how illogical it is and the fact that I got a good chuckle out of it:

"What it comes down to is this. Outlawing abortion is taking away the right of a woman to control her own body. You may argue that it is murder because the fetus is in fact, a child. That's fine. Don't have an abortion yourself. To me, a fetus is not an actual child until it is capable of living outside the woman's body without special medical attention. I'm not sure medically when that actually is, I'm sure it varies with each woman."

First off, I will address the idea that an abortion is a woman's right because "It's her body". Her body it may be, but [human] babies cannot be made with the sperm of a man. Wherefore does a man not have a say in the matter? She may carry the child, but the man takes care of her and puts up with her during the nine month stretch. I have yet to meet a man who will say that is an easy feat.

Secondly, the definition of life has a very, very strict definition in the scientific community, and it states that life begins upon fertilization. This is not debatable. This is not controversial. It is scientific fact that pertains to all life.

Thank you.

(And thank you, Dr. Adams. I look forward to taking your class in the Spring)

Typo
Should have said "without" the sperm of man, though I doubt too many readers lack to the intelligence to pick up on a typo.

What surprises me are the many
commentors who agreed with Alan C that these girls had no business doing what they did.

Here on Cape Cod, law enforcement conducts sting operations quite often using underage young people to see if liquor stores will sell to them. Is there any difference? Is it simply because there was no law enforcement involved in the PP case? Perhaps if we could convince them of the worthiness, they might take it on...although it is probably such a hot potato topic and sooooooo politically incorrect, they are undoubtedly not allowed to do so.

Hence, the two young ladies mentioned here took it upon themselves...and I say good for you!!!

Steven
Yes, life begins at fertilization. Up until the point where that life is able to live outside the human body, I believe it a woman's right to do what she chooses with it because it is still a part of her body, not able to be separated.

Secondly, I believe you have some merit in saying that a man should have some say in whether a woman will have an abortion if he is the father. That's a tricky question. I believe it should ultimately be the woman's choice though because of a few reasons. The woman is the one that has to carry the child inside of her which can cause changes in her body that may not go away after pregnancy. The man may have to put up with her but the woman has to feel firsthand the effects of hormones and mood changes and fatigue and all the other side effects of being pregnant. After the child is born, it is most often the woman who provides the bulk of the child care.(though definitely not always and in our progressive society is actually becoming more balanced) The responsibilities of a child in our society always seem to fall most often on the mother. I'm not trying to take away from the men out there that are the exceptions to this, and there are a lot of them. It's just the way things still are in our society and legal system.


exception for rape or incest
No killing of any innocent human beings!! The men guilty of the rape or incest yes!!! Make their executions public!

Alan Colmes, Liberal Failure
I heard today that the "Hannity and Colmes" show on Fox News, is no more. Apparently, Alan Colmes finally realized that every time he opens his mouth he embarrasses himself and has decided to move on to greener pastures.

I don't watch the "Hannity and Colmes" show very often but on the few occasions when I have, I was astounded by Alan Colmes' lack of decorum and his profound inability to debate without resorting to liberal sniping.

Just to be fair and balanced, Sean Hannity is no brain trust either but he's certainly more pleasant that his liberal counterpart, Alan Colmes.

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