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Wednesday, November 19, 2008
Mike Adams :: Townhall.com Columnist
Debbie Does Malice
by Mike Adams
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Dear Deb,

Thanks for taking the time to write me from your personal email address, which I am including here (debocracy@sbcglobal.net) for interested readers of my column. I am responding below to each of the three paragraphs of your brief email:

I am extremely concerned about the hateful tone of pundits who make money from stirring up needless division and spreading misinformation.

Deb, it may surprise you but I agree. That is why I’ve stopped reading the New York Times and all of its local affiliates, including the Wilmington McTimes, here in Wilmington, North Carolina. I have also blocked access to The Daily Kos, The Huffington Post, and MSNBC.com on all of the computers in my home. I’m really trying to do my part. So far, I have no problem with anything you’ve written.

The hate-mongering and fear-spreading used by the Right to try to salvage its power has frightened perfectly normal members of my family into thinking that    the Obama presidency will bring us a totalitarian government.  If you are really a scholar, then you know that this is all hokum. 

Again, Deb, although I am a right-winger myself, I am in total agreement with you (except I doubt that every member of your family is “perfectly normal.”). The Obama presidency will not bring about a totalitarian government. The reason for this is pretty simple: The 46% of us who voted for John McCain are presently arming ourselves to the hilt.

Since I already have enough firearms to overthrow several Latin American governments, I’ve purchased five firearms and given them to friends and neighbors since it became apparent that McCain would not win the election. You did not ask me to but I’ve listed those five guns below as well as my reasons for giving them away:

Remington 870 12-guage. The kid next door had his 14th birthday so I gave him an 870 with a 26-inch barrel. I told his dad that every family needed one. I suggested he buy an 18-inch barrel for home defense. I like having an armed neighbor just next door (just in case I run out of ammunition). Generally, I keep about 12,000 rounds on hand but you can’t be too careful these days.

Glock 19. Just as the 870 is the best “family gun”, the mid-sized 9mm by Glock is the best “girl gun.” It has enough stopping power to castrate a potential rapist. But there’s not too much kick for the compact to medium-sized chick. I bought one for a girl I know who lives alone.

Smith and Wesson Model 686. Aside from attending the same church, there is nothing better for a marriage than shooting the same gun. For the husband, the .357 round is just fine. But the wife will want to use the tamer .38 “special” round, preferably in a 125-grain hollow point. This is a great “couples gun” for those who agree with my assertion that no “man” relies on another man working for Brink’s Home Security to defend his home and wife for him. Since one of my buddies complained about he and his wife “growing apart” I thought it would be nice to buy them one.

Marlin 30-30 lever-action rifle. This is a hunting rifle for the whole family. The rounds are cheap and the kick is not bad at all. I used one to kill my first deer. I only wish I had it earlier when a pack of wild dogs came on my family’s property and nearly killed our dog. This gun will down a pit bull. It will even take out a black bear. And it’s cheap. Every hunter needs one. Spend a few extra bucks and get it in black walnut finish. I bought one as a wedding present for a friend from Alabama.

Ruger 10/22. I have a friend who likes shooting guns all the time. We spend a lot of money on ammo every time he’s in town. Once, I found myself thinking “I wish he had a .22 so we could save money at the range.” So, one Sunday afternoon, I bought him one. In return, he shot some squirrels and showed me how to make squirrel stew. Sounds a little redneck, I know. But it beats the hell out of possum.

I hope that you will use your place of respect to call a halt to this campaign of ; hate and fear.  Sincerely,

Deborah Lagutaris.

Yes, Deb, I will. I hereby call on all of the following groups to stop with their post-election tactics of hate and fear:

Gay rights activists who tear crosses out of the hands of little old ladies.

Gay rights activists who invade church services in Michigan.

PETA.

Gay rights activists who are attacking the Mormons who had the decency to accept the 1879 Supreme Court ruling saying that states had a right to help confine marriage to one man and one woman by criminalizing bigamy.

And, finally, gay rights activists in California who are trying to use the court system to nullify the rights of the people and “disenfranchise” the majority of American voters.

I don’t think we’re actually headed for totalitarianism, Deb. But if we get much closer, I’ll have to buy a few more guns for insurance. Have a nice day,

Mike S. Adams

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Some good points
Debbie will probably need to have her meds adjusted after this.

Dr. Adams
You couldn't have said it much better with regard to CA. The left has, in no uncertain terms, demonstrated what they think of the democratic system.

They've already been defeated once resoundingly at the polls on the homosexual marriage issue. This is the second round after they got liberal judges to overturn the opinion of millions of CA residents. Yet they will not accept the judgment of CA's citizenry despite the fact that CA already grants them full relationship rights under civil union law.

It's clear the homosexual activists want to use the this homosexual 'marriage' obscenity as a legal club against the institution itself, the Christian religion, particularly the Catholics, as a required public school indoctrination measure and a civil platform from which to force and sue all conscionable opposition into submission.

For these extremely radical hypocrites, TOLERANCE is a one way street. We, of civilized and moral society, were mistaken for ever conceding a single inch to these leftist perverts.

Deb might ask you...
for the same advice that you gave your neighbor.

I, too, am armed and ready. Been there and done that and way before the US Sup Ct stripped Obama of his Emperor clothes in the Heller case.

I suppose that I am on the verge of becoming labeled a Mother or Daughter of the Second American Revolution.

Turn off liberal programs, shows, no NYT
I beat you to it! Don't watch network stations (have no cable) and my mind is clear.

Another thing I now do, is, I never buy any left nut material. Only use it if it is free. Not supportin' them, I am not!

EMAIL
I rememember when (think it was Howard Kurtz) publichsed all the emails he'd gotten, compiling them into one book. I agree with your column (though there are guns that I would also add to the collection) but don't think the publication of Debbie's email address was neccessary. JMO.

Hateful LibTrolls!!
I want to see PeTA freaks throw red paint on the Hell's Angels like they do to little old ladies in fur!! Fur is nothing but leather with the hair left on anyway. So go ahead you disciples of Inbred Newkook, PLEASE throw paint on the bikers while I videotape the festivities.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Bought me a Glock 19 last week
Great article, Mike! After the election, I went shopping at a local gun show and purchased a Glock 19 with 2 types of ammo...one for target practice, the other for home protection.

I will not sit around to see whether Obama & company will try to prevent me and other law-abiding citizens from purchasing guns and ammo.

I am a woman who is retired and I live alone in blue state Maryland, home to many illegal aliens and left-winged loons who think it is a good thing for the illegal alien crowd to move here and take up residence in our sanctuary cities of Takoma Park, Gaithersburg, and Baltimore.

Maryland lawmakers use my hard earned money (taken from me in outrageous taxes) to support and provide services and programs for the illegal aliens and their families. MS-13 now thrives in Maryland. And Wheaton Md. now looks like little Latin America, with cars parked on front lawns, and 15 people living under one roof. And if you have a medical emergency, forget going to any of the local hospitals for treatment, unless you want to sit in a waiting room and wait in line for 5-6 hours behind scores of illegal aliens getting their free health care.

Yep. I am now ready for anyone who enters my home uninvited with something that barks louder than my dog.

Wrat Wrangler
Great post!

You wrote "I want to see PeTA freaks throw red paint on the Hell's Angels like they do to little old ladies in fur!! Fur is nothing but leather with the hair left on anyway. So go ahead you disciples of Inbred Newkook, PLEASE throw paint on the bikers while I videotape the festivities."

I cannot agree with you more! PETA freaks and petulent gays in Calif. (loons of a kindred spirit) are like the bullies on the playground...agree with me or there will be hell to pay.

I want to throw down a challenge to any bikers out there to attend the next PETA rally wearing their leather gear.

BTW, I just joined the NRA after purchasing my Glock 19 last week.

LOL!
I cannot stop laughing . . . awesome Mike. From one Ph.D. to another, you have redeemed yourself. Good stuff. My choice is a S & W .38 special. Love it.

On Your Side, But...
I agree with the above commenter who those it unnecessary to post her e-mail address. I thought that was reserved for the truly mean variety of libtard. She, from the quotations sited, was merely a misguided but polite writer.


Folks
"...The Obama presidency will not bring about a totalitarian government. The reason for this is pretty simple: The 46% of us who voted for John McCain are presently arming ourselves to the hilt..."

Why, oh why is it those without military experience who most often talk tough about civil war and strife? Guns are tools nothing more or less. A weapon will neither increase nor decrease parts of the anatomy. I guess it is possible for a BIG gun to feed teenage NRA type fantasies of actually being a tough guy. Reality is much different. But go ahead and arm away that way at least real tough guys and gals know where to get weapons easily when they need them LMAO

Hal Donahue
Hal,

Brush up on your Revolutionary War history. We beat the crap out of the most powerful military in the world with a bunch of farmers whose only experience with a weapon was hunting. I'd wager Mike could put a slug between your eyes before you managed to figure out which end of your weapon is the action end.

Mike, great column and retort!
As to the .357/.38 special, I have found that very few women can pull the trigger easily enough to maintain aim. The Glocks used in the course I took for a CCP were what all the women in the class liked as far as ability to handle and maintain a good sight picture. I prefer the 23 in .40S&W, but that is a personal preference. Also, a 20 gauge shotgun for women will have less kick than a 12 gauge although if it is an auto loader, the kick is reduced greatly.

Hal
I agree that guns are tools and will not substitute for the other tool, but they will decrease the size of body parts. Fire a Barett or go to YouTube and type in AfghanSniper. The flying parts you see 1500 yds downrange are human remains, though it's hard to tell because the pictures are small.

Dale
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 7:34 AM EST
Subject: On Your Side, But...
I agree with the above commenter who those it unnecessary to post her e-mail address. I thought that was reserved for the truly mean variety of libtard. She, from the quotations sited, was merely a misguided but polite writer. "

and Mike is apparently a typical southern gentleman at least given by many of those on TH

To Ace in MD...
TOTALLY with you my friend!!! Here in central North Carolina, we are absolutely infested with illegals, majority of which were brought here by the Banking fatcats who wanted a $1,000,000 home for $900,000 despite the fact no one who built it spoke English. and of course our RINO Mayor, McCrory, was all to happy to pander to these criminals (and yes, I lump the bankers in with the drywallers) by refusing to promote a vigorous hunt-down-and-deport policy. We've had numerous vehicular homicides here by illegals and still the general politicos turn a blind eye to this. I guess we (Armed Americans that believe in the Constituion) have to go after them ourselves. Which is, BTW what it will take, since both Dems and Reps fall over themselves to pander to this infestation.

You GO Mike, and thanks for the tips on the armaments! The Marlin 30-30 just made my christmas list!

Hal Doofus Rides Again! 7:44am
"A weapon will neither increase nor decrease parts of the anatomy"

Do you have problems in this area Doofus?

LAUGH MY A*S OFF!

"But go ahead and arm away that way at least real tough guys and gals know where to get weapons easily when they need them."

That is correct; and as Mike said most of us are arming to the teeth. H*ll Doofus, you didn't even qualify with a service pistol while you were in the USAF.

By the way, Doofus, if some one tries to "mug" you, are you going to ask him to wait while you go get a weapon? LMAO!

Hal Doofus Rides Again! 8:04am
"and Mike is apparently a typical southern gentleman at least given by many of those on TH"

LAUGH MY A*S OFF!

Doofus are you still upset because the "Southern" pilot offered to whip your fat a*s?

This just keeps getting more interesting Doofus. Are you going to whip every Southern gentleman's a*s because of his offer?

Readmikedrinksam
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 7:59 AM EST
Subject: Hal Donahue
Hal,

Brush up on your Revolutionary War history. We beat the crap out of the most powerful military in the world with a bunch of farmers whose only experience with a weapon was hunting..."

and we got the weapons off where most successful revolutionaries get them from the actual government they overthrew. They paid a heck of a price and had to import foreign military expertise and would not have won without the help of France.

A better example is modern day Hezbollah that recently defeated Israel or the Iraqis who fought the US to a stand still for what six years and have the country in deep financial trouble. My point id that it is seldom fake tough guys like Mike or many members of the extremist NRA who make the difference. It will be that quiet resolute guy or gal over in the corner

"... I'd wager Mike could put a slug between your eyes before you managed to figure out which end of your weapon is the action end."

LMAO I wager you would be very wrong

Hey Mike Adams!
As one Mississippi State University graduate (1973) to another State graduate, I enjoyed your article. You gave some great advice, especially the Model 870, 12 gauge, pump shotgun. Perhaps it is the finest home defense weapon it the world.

I would also suggest a Walter P22 semi-automatic .22 LR caliber pistol. It has no kick, it is very accurate, and a person of very slight build can easily learn to shoot one. (A plus is ammo is so cheap.)

Gray Ghost
Ahhh another 'southern gentleman heard from LOL. I guess you forget I was a cop once upon a time in my past? I was and am an excellent shot.

Discrimination
Okay, Mike, what do you have against Heckler & Koch? Mine was the most accurate out-of-the-box handgun I have ever shot.

Hal Doofus Rides Again! 8:16am
"A better example is modern day Hezbollah that recently defeated Israel or the Iraqis who fought the US to a stand still for what six years and have the country in deep financial trouble. My point id that it is seldom fake tough guys like Mike or many members of the extremist NRA who make the difference. It will be that quiet resolute guy or gal over in the corner"

LAUGH MY A*S OFF!

The Hezbollah "freak" show is well known on many Middle Eastern Web sites. Watch their parades some time on YouTube, Doofus. They are not exactly quiet you idiot.

Hal Doofus Rides Again! 8:22am
"I love that the best you can do is lie LMAO"

Prove I am lying you idiot. Because I am not. You are the one who keeps making snide remarks about Southerners. Why?

I believe you are proving my statement every time you make a snide remark.

Hey Mike
I thought your article was pretty funny, but giving her E-mail out was classless. Your columns are good on most days but you don't need to act like the people your grilling.

My 9mm UZI

is the most reliable piece of machinery I have ever owned.

Hal Doofus Rides Again! 8:20am
"Ahhh another 'southern gentleman heard from LOL. I guess you forget I was a cop once upon a time in my past? I was and am an excellent shot."

Perhaps you will get a chance to prove that Doofus. I was a policeman too. And I also qualified in the USAF with a service pistol.

Gray Ghost
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 8:24 AM EST...The Hezbollah "freak" show is well known on many Middle Eastern Web sites. Watch their parades some time on YouTube, Doofus. They are not exactly quiet you idiot."

My point is they were very now they rule

Hal Doofus Rides Again! 8:16am
"would not have won without the help of France"

I am the first one to thank the French for their help after Saratoga; however, the Revolutionary War was already won by the time French troops arrived on American soil. George Washington (a Southern gentleman) won it by keeping his army together.

Gray Ghost
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 8:26 AM EST
Hal Doofus Rides Again! 8:22am
"I love that the best you can do is lie LMAO"

Prove I am lying you idiot. Because I am not. You are the one who keeps making snide remarks about Southerners. Why?"

LMAO it is you making fake 'history" about me little one. Prove what you say or go away LOL.

"..I believe you are proving my statement every time you make a snide remark..."

Ahhh you are so emotional but I guess that is typical. I make snide remarks about Southerners who like you and Adams are a poster children for all that is poor and weak in the South. There are lots of good strong Southerners but you are not one

Hal Doofus Ridea Again! 8:30am
"My point is they were very now they rule"

Thank you for agreeing with me. They are NOT QUIET and now they RULE.

Your statement: "It will be that quiet resolute guy or gal over in the corner"; IS THEREFORE PROVEN FALSE in the manner you stated it.

Be afraid Doofus, be very afraid. The Patriots, at the start of the American Revolution, were not QUIET either.

Gray Ghost
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 8:28 AM EST
...Perhaps you will get a chance to prove that Doofus. I was a policeman too. And I also qualified in the USAF with a service pistol..."

Me too it was hardly difficult. like I said a pistol is nothing but a tool. prove what? That I was a cop?

Grey Ghost
I guess you have no idea of the impact the french Navy had on the battle of Yorktown?

Hal Doofus is An Idiot and a Coward! 8:
"LMAO it is you making fake 'history" about me little one. Prove what you say or go away LOL."

Make me Hal Doofus.

You are nothing more that a fat, drunken idiot with an inflated opinion of yourself.

You prove I am correct about the Southern pilot every time you make a snide remark about the South.

I have yet to see a Southerner making "snide" remarks about PA. Including Mike Adams.

Gray Ghost
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 8:37 AM EST
Subject: ...Be afraid Doofus, be very afraid. The Patriots, at the start of the American Revolution, were not QUIET either."

Oh really the fighters weren't quiet men? Are you trying to threaten me little fella? Really? LMAO

Hal Doofus Rides Again 8:39am
"I guess you have no idea of the impact the french Navy had on the battle of Yorktown?"

The British army was surrounded at Yorktown. Even if the British navy had picked them up, where would they go but back to Great Britain.

The war was already over after Kings Mountain and Cowpens. Cornwallis lost all of his light infantry and most of his mounted troops. He was wandering a round lost after these two battles.

Hal Doofus Rides Again! 8:43am
"Oh really the fighters weren't quiet men? Are you trying to threaten me little fella? Really? LMAO"

LAUGH MY A*S OFF!

Neither are they fat, drunken, passed-over slobs like you Doofus.

Are you threatening me?

oh my
This column is move vicious and hypocritical than any I have read in a while. This person did not write an angry or abusive letter. There were no insults or irrational comments. Yet what does Adams do in return? He publishes her private email knowing full well that he is opening her up to a flood of hate mail. He piously decries hate mongering in other media outlets then goes on to take great relish in implying how he is prepared to use violence to achieve his goals.

Then to add to the hypocrisy, when called upon to take a stand on a position he claims to agree with, he addresses only groups whose interests he doesn’t represent and with whom he has absolutely no interest.

This is an all time low for a man who claims to be a Christian, a patriot and an intellectual.

Gray Ghost
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 8:41 AM EST
...Make me Hal Doofus."

LMAO did you really type this LMAO


Nice job...
...cut off all sources of dissenting opinion and what do you get? Not much. You become a mumbling paranoid seeing not much and understanding less.
(BTW, that "little old lady" unwisely went into a maelstrom of emotion, and has been riding the publicity ever since. Joe the Plumber, another fake, became Granny the Victim. Shows rather a paucity of real issues, doesn't it?)

sorry
That should read “more vicious” and “with whom he has absolutely no influence”

Hal Doofus Rides Again! 8:55am
"LMAO it is you making fake 'history" about me little one. Prove what you say or go away LOL."

"LMAO did you really type this LMAO" Gee Doofus, I said the same thing to myself when I read your comment I show above.

BO will try
BO will try for a totalitarian state. He's already said he's going to use executive orders to do his will. FDR told congress that the Constitution did not apply to him. BO thinks the Bill of Rights are negative rights. FDR was checked by checks and balances, and even a revolt from his own party. It's just a shame that we have to go through this again. This is Carter's second term. Turn down your thermostats, put air in your tires and never mind that you don't have a job.

Pinto Man
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 9:30 AM EST
Subject: BO will try.."

Why not give it a try and see where we go? Heck no one could be worse than Bush the torturer. join in instead of whining. truly be a man and help solve the problem

Gays and PETA
These groups rely upon the decency of the folks that they violate. If they could not count upon the law-abiding nature of their opponents they would not dare be so aggressive in their demonstrations. Perhaps we could have a holiday from that for a day so that we could put a stop to all these tantrums by the childish groups of our society. That seems fair.

Wrat and Ace ...
With PETA it's always the double standard when it comes to who they protest. They could head down to any gay pride festival and find some phallus lovers wearing leather chaps (and probably ONLY leather chaps). But they never will because they are of kindred liberal spirits. Sick puppies they are too.

Tod Kozeluh
Lexington, KY

good column
I usually don't like Adams stuff. But I had to laugh at his presentation of himself as a loser who thinks that buying a lot of guns makes him a tough man who is going to hold off democratic tyranny by strength of arms. What a loser.

Kudos to Adams. Not everyone would be willing to make himself look like such a joke for the sake of humor.

You made my day, Mike
And my husband's. He works for the firearms industry. And our pals at S&W, Glock, Remington and all the rest. It's not only our 2nd Amendment rights at issue here, but also the realization that the firearms industry is vital to our armed services, which are vital to our national defense. Perhaps folks in the illuminati media-hyped, hand-wringing aftermath of the election just past have forgotten that. As a veteran, married to a veteran, I haven't.

Outstanding Article
As an Armorer/Gunsmith/Instructor you run into a lot of different people with a lot of different claims relating to shooting accomplishments. If this person, H Dufoos Donahue was ever near a Military post/base he was getting away as fast as he could. If he was a cop I believe he was booted from BLET befor completion, the words match with others I know.

As my name suggests, I ride a bike and challenge PETA, bring your paint also Dufoos, your claim of shooting well. Get your damn Yankee a$$ below the Mason-Dixion, name it and we will test your skill, any time.

I recently completed building from scratch a Sabre Defense XR 15-M4 armorer school including optics. Shoots a four leaf clover all touching at 100m. Anywhere defense weapon. Sidearm, I perfer the 44 cal Special, has the same impact ballistics as 45 ACP. It will take a 250 lb intruder to the floor, one shot. Hate to waste ammo.

Jay in NC, we are neighbors and I agree with you in reference to your Mayor. Next door does not have that problem, our Mayor gave away a street and had it renamed for a fat cat. Not counting the 80 Million dollars of tax payor money.

tedmug
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 9:51 AM EST
Subject: Gays and PETA
These groups rely upon the decency of the folks that they violate. If they could not count upon the law-abiding nature of their opponents they would not dare be so aggressive in their demonstrations. Perhaps we could have a holiday from that for a day so that we could put a stop to all these tantrums by the childish groups of our society. That seems fair"

They tried that down South in the 60s trying to save segragation. It didn't work at all

ScooterNC
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 10:02 AM EST
Subject: Outstanding Article
As an Armorer/Gunsmith/Instructor you run into a lot of different people with a lot of different claims relating to shooting accomplishments. If this person, H Dufoos Donahue was ever near a Military post/base he was getting away as fast as he could..."

Wrong 20 years service a few in the south even

"...If he was a cop..."

Oh he was in Scranton PA

Ace-GGhost-DrAdams-Others
I already have a brace of Blackhawks and an Uberti Winchester 73 reproduction. Both use 45 LC ammo and are EXCELLENT firearms. I experienced the flipside of this and I was wondering if anyone else had. The Saturday after Election Day, we went out to dinner at a restaurant we go to quite often. 2 Elderly African American Couples were at a table beside us. One gentlemen opined LOUDLY that it was a shame that Obama was ½ white. His wife sneered at me and said LOUDER, “It is a shame he is ½ white, but at least his father was an African.” I said or did NOTHING to provoke these comments. I let it slide, but I am out of PATIENCE and CHEEKS as this was the 2nd time that week that such unprovoked attacks happened to me. I just wish they had been younger and stronger, because they were big enough.

Georgetwin 10:25am
Just a quick note as I am up to my ears in work. Yesterday I went to Mississippi State University. The same thing happened there. Except, the young man who was "spit on" at a Young Republicans Rally was just back from Iraq. The young black student who did the spitting had to be treated at the local hospital.

Georgetwin
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 10:25 AM EST
Ace-GGhost-DrAdams-Others
... I experienced the flipside of this and I was wondering if anyone else had. ... I let it slide, but I am out of PATIENCE and CHEEKS as this was the 2nd time that week that such unprovoked attacks happened to me. I just wish they had been younger and stronger, because they were big enough."

LMAO why oh why to you LOL???? It has never happened to me. Do you think you can assualt anyone who disagrees with you? They cannot say how they feel? Or are they to hide and not say things out loud? Grow up please

Georgetwin
BTW, don't shut up. When comments like you mentioned are made, COMMENT BACK. In your place I would have looked at these two couples and said, "IT IS a shame that Obama is 1/2 white. Now half the blame for any stupid mistakes he makes can be laid at the feet of the white race. Oh, and by the way, all four of you are racist fools."

Force the idiots making the comments to "put up or shut up".

Hal Doofus Rides Again! 10:38am
"They cannot say how they feel? Or are they to hide and not say things out loud? Grow up please"

OK, Doofus: I feel you are an arrogant, fat, passed over, drunken idiot. I also feel that you are one sad, LITTLE, man. I also feel the world will be a better place when your heavy drinking forces your liver into "cardiac" arrest. I also feel you are a stupid "p*ss ant".

You cannot complain about this. You said that I could say these things aloud. If you complain, I will answer, "Grow Up Pleaseee!"

LAUGH MY A*S OFF!

Gray Ghost Reply # 55
Man, I'd pay to see that on video. I hope the soldier broke many bones in that guy's face and head area. That's what should happen every time one of these @#$%$#@ says anything. I'll bet that it would only have to be done a few times and they'd get the message.

Hal Doofus Rides Again! 10:16am
"Wrong 20 years service a few in the south even"

Yeah, service as a "chair polishing", paper sorting commando.

Please Doofus, you had no combat experience at all.

Gray Ghost
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 10:36 AM EST
Subject: Georgetwin 10:25am
Just a quick note as I am up to my ears in work. Yesterday I went to Mississippi State University. The same thing happened there. Except, the young man who was "spit on" at a Young Republicans Rally was just back from Iraq. The young black student who did the spitting had to be treated at the local hospital."

Great there should be a police report. Any idea how I get it? Because right now all the press stories are about white hate against anyone who supported Obama. Your story would make a great one if there is back up.

Gray Ghost ut oh we agree
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 10:42 AM EST
Subject: Georgetwin
BTW, don't shut up. When comments like you mentioned are made, COMMENT BACK"

and no need to shout either just the same volume as they used. I often do that with extreme conservatives and it works

midfielder
The 3 students who told me about this said the young man is a quiet, very nice student. He was at this "Rally" just handing out material concerning the "Young Republicans" on campus.

He never did anything until this young black student spit on him, even when several students said, "No thank you, I don't want the material," or "I don't like Republicans."

However, when he was "spit on", he just took matters into his own hands. (I feel the young black student was lucky not to have been seriously hurt.)

There's a problem.
I notice that in your arsenal you have no anti-tank or anti-air weapons. How do you propose deal with them?

Readmikedrinksam: You're not going to put anything through a foot of Chobham. And for reasons I've never quite understood, the RAF was never committed to the Revolution. They should have sent 1000 Lancasters to attack Valley Forge, they way they did to Hamburg. That would have ended things quickly enough.

The last time I heard people talking about taking up the gun and offing the pig, they were the Weather Underground. Grow up. Your guy lost, deal with it.

Gray Ghost
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 10:54 AM EST
Hal Doofus Rides Again! 10:16am
"Wrong 20 years service a few in the south even"

Yeah, service as a "chair polishing", paper sorting commando...."

I even gave you guys a hint when I said you are partly correct if it is ok that the "chair" was an ejection seat LOL

Hal Doofus, Question 10:55am
I honestly don't know if there was a police report. The 3 young students did not mention that Campus Security had to be brought in to stop the fight.

Personally, I got the impression that only 2 hits happened. The young man hitting the young black student. And the young black student hitting the ground.

Being a good conservative I empathized
I empathized with Deb so I sent her the following email (Thanks Mike for providing her address)

Deb,

I sympathize with your troubling thoughts about your family being scared. However if you sit down together as a family and read each other some good books like "Heather Has Two Mommies" and "Why Mommy is a democrat". All will be well and your family will return to its normalcy.

Best Wishes

Hal Doofus Rides Again! 11:01am
"you are entitled to your lies and emotions that is why I literally laugh at you. All that you spew shows how inept you are."

Wow! Great come back Doofus!

I gather that is why I am a licensed Professional Engineer in 4 states. I am "inept".

I also gather that is why I have my own engineering consulting firm for over 12 years. I am "inept".

LAUGH MY A*S OFF!

And as for emotions Doofus, you are the one who shows his emotions by making snide remarks about the South.

Hal Doofus Rides Again!
"I even gave you guys a hint when I said you are partly correct if it is ok that the "chair" was an ejection seat LOL"

OK, Doofus, you are now sounding like "Wobbie". You were never a pilot in the USAF, BY YOUR OWN WORDS.

You never had any "air time" as a REO or navigator, BY YOUR OWN WORDS.

Pleaseee.

Gray Ghost
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 11:13 AM EST
Subject: Hal Doofus Rides Again!
"I even gave you guys a hint when I said you are partly correct if it is ok that the "chair" was an ejection seat LOL"

OK, Doofus, you are now sounding like "Wobbie". You were never a pilot in the USAF, BY YOUR OWN WORDS.

You never had any "air time" as a REO or navigator, BY YOUR OWN WORDS."

Now, Now I have said very little about my military career because you guys were so creative in your fiction. I never said I was or was not any of those things - you folks did LOL

Grey Ghost
The three students who told you? Was this before or after they told you about petition, Number 2493 and showed you the “picture” of Governor Palin?

You know, it reminds me of the hippie spitting story. Did that happen to you when you returned?

Geez Elanor in NV - get a clue
It was obvious the article was written in a satirical style to make some points. You know everyone believes in free speech until someone says something they don't like. Why is it that liberals are so often humorless souls?

Courage...
Have it and respect it; though it takes a bit more strength of character muster up such tolerance when the response to ignorance is anger. If the left and the right in the US continue their dialogue in anger, they will both continue to lose. It is far more difficult to accept ignorance as seen from the inside of the Dogma, irrespective of its flavour; but living in that kind of shell defines how you approach all external events.

I think it was rather brave of Debbie to expose herself like that - she would have found a far more receptive audience at MSNBC. However, if one disregards all the "sheeple" out there, who will be left but the angry hordes storming the barricades armed and defended by a different angry horde.

If the key is having sufficient ammunition, I'm glad we found other places to live because that is not the environment for my children to grow and prosper.

Dane
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 11:24 AM EST
Geez Elanor in NV - get a clue
It was obvious the article was written in a satirical style to make some points. You know everyone believes in free speech until someone says something they don't like. Why is it that liberals are so often humorless souls?"

LMAO you better tell that to the conservative lynch crew here LOL

MikeR
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 11:21 AM EST
Subject: Grey Ghost
The three students who told you? Was this before or after they told you about petition, Number 2493 and showed you the “picture” of Governor Palin?

You know, it reminds me of the hippie spitting story. Did that happen to you when you returned? "

Shhhhhh despite his military name Grey Ghost never went....

Dane
It wasn’t satirical, as much as it was ironic. Adams use of sarcasm wasn’t meant to amuse. It was meant to insult. Had the story been completely fictitious, you would be right; but Mike’s use of the email address and your complicity in sending an insulting letter shows the true intent.

As usual
Mike is right on target (pun intended).

Firearm sales are going through the roof, and there are quite a number of us that have added and will continue to add to the number of weapons and tallies of ammmunition in our safes.

Sales of hunting rifles, like the AR-15, are skyrocketing.

At the gun show last weekend, we even saw some bumper stickers in the parking lot that we were somewhat surprised to see... Obama '08... now why would someone vote for Obama then show up at a gun show to buy firearms because they are worried about the loss of their rights? This is perplexing to me...

I guess, "make me your slave but feed me and give me free healthcare.." works for a campaign and by the way, don't worry yourself about those silly little rights of yours...

I, for one, hope Obama gives me a tax refund right away. I'll use it to go and purchase another Glock 19 and a few extra standard capacity magazines (Note, not reduced capacity magazines).



PLEASE LEAVE MS. LAGUTARIS ALONE
I am a fan of Mr. Adams, and in general agreement with his views on most issues.

I strongly object to his inclusion of Ms. Lagutaris's e-mail address in this column. I can see no legitimate reason for its inclusion. It is nothing but an open invitation for thousands of readers to heap abuse on her.

I urge all of you to leave Ms. Lagutaris alone.


GG-AZ
it was included to bully

Eleanor, Could You Please Clarify
I'm not sure I understand your point. Is it that if the Mormons in the 1800s wanted to have multiple spouses, but not for religious reasons, they would have been permitted to do so, but since they were basing it on religion, "separation of church and state" prevented it? Could you tell me where in the Constitution you find that phrase? And, how do you define "extremist?" Is it anyone who disagrees with you?

Wrong Doofus! 11:19am
"Now, Now I have said very little about my military career because you guys were so creative in your fiction. I never said I was or was not any of those things - you folks did LOL"

This happened in the summer of 2007, right after I started commenting here. Late at night, you and I discussed my father, who was a pilot in WW2. YOU MENTIONED THAT YOUR SERVICE IN THE USAF WAS ONLY a desk job.

Hal Doofus Rides Again! 11:32am
"Shhhhhh despite his military name Grey Ghost never went...."

Yes that is correct, Doofus. When I went into the service in 1973, I never made it to Viet Nam. It was over by then. And I got out that year when the USAF did a "reduction in force".

But since you are older than me, when do you see combat?

Gray Ghost
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 12:07 PM EST
Subject: Wrong Doofus! 11:19am
"...This happened in the summer of 2007, right after I started commenting here. Late at night, you and I discussed my father, who was a pilot in WW2. YOU MENTIONED THAT YOUR SERVICE IN THE USAF WAS ONLY a desk job."

I don't believe I said that and if I did I was wrong... But this is NOT about me but about ideas. As I also believe I said way back then


Gray Ghost
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 12:11 PM EST
Hal Doofus Rides Again! 11:32am
"Shhhhhh despite his military name Grey Ghost never went...."

Yes that is correct, Doofus. When I went into the service in 1973, I never made it to Viet Nam. It was over by then. And I got out that year when the USAF did a "reduction in force"."

Ahhh see I learn something new every day. What did you do what rank were you and where were you stationed?

OK Doofus 12:13pm
"I don't believe I said that and if I did I was wrong... But this is NOT about me but about ideas. As I also believe I said way back then"

Then why the insults against the South?

Then why the insult against me ("Shhhhhh despite his military name Grey Ghost never went....")?

If this is only about ideas, then why the insults from you?

The "why" is easily understood. Your whole reason for being at TH is to place your Liberal political beliefs on a Conservative Site. Your hope is you will convince some who look at them that your liberal beliefs are "reasonable".

I tried the same at "Huff and Puff". I was kicked off after 8 hours.

It appears that Conservatives are far more "tolerant" of varying political beliefs than are Liberals. Other Conservative Bloggers here at TH have mentioned similar results when they comment at Liberal sites like "Huff and Puff". (Sgt Relic, BrianR, GunnyG, etc.)

great recommendations, but...
...I've found the Spaz 12 Laser Rifle in 50 watt range is THE most suitable for precision targeting. A little on the high-end but worth it.

For group dispersal, try the 12 Gauge Auto-Loader.

The Uzi 9mm is the cheapest and most efficient ditch sweeper.

And finally, the .45 Longslide with Laser Sighting is what I prefer for up close and personal.

Answer to Your Question Doofus 12:16pm
"Ahhh see I learn something new every day. What did you do what rank were you and where were you stationed?"

I will give you that when you state your rank, what you did, and where you were stationed.

Others here at TH have this data.

I know GunnyG has asked you for this data. You give an answer to this and I will do the same, after verification.

Gray Ghost:
As a teeenager in the late 60s early 70s,I used my Dad's 12 gauge 30" barrelled 870 as my trap gun I probably ran 10,000 rounds through that gun. My Dad still had it, and used it occasionally til the day he died last year, and it was as accurate then as it was when I shot it. My nephew inherited it. I just hope he takes as good a care of as my Dad did

GMM1
The Model 870 is probably the best pump-action shotgun ever made (at least it is the most popular).

I have a Model 12 Winchester (16 gauge) that I really like; but I will say that the Model 870 is better.

SHOTGUN!!!
A Franchi SPAS-12 is a dual mode 12ga. shotgun NOT a rifle!! It will fire in either pump or semi-auto gas-operated mode. The reason is that a swelled shell can cause a jam but if you can rack the slide fast you can clear the jam and you are still in target acquisition.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!

Hal Drunkahue
My point was IF I had said such things, there NO DOUBT would’ve been a BIG problem. I don’t care ONE WAY or THE OTHER about race, ethnicity or any other factor BEYOND the control of an individual. I DID NOTHING to provoke these actions and I let it slide because I was raised to respect my elders. But for arguments sake WHY is it OK for African Americans to make such comments but taboo for anyone else?

Gray Ghost
I was raised to respect my elders, Besides in that situation, even if I win, I lose.

Lon @ 9:56am wrote
"Kudos to Adams. Not everyone would be willing to make himself look like such a joke for the sake of humor. "

You do this every time you post something here.

Jim

Gray Ghost
My Dad usually used either a Beretta or Perazzi, when he shot trap. When he died last year he over 125,000 16 yard targets, 120,000 handicap targets (from the 27 yd line for much of his caree, and 55,000 pairs of doubles, and more trophies and prizes than you could shake a stick at. The last trip we took together was to the 2006 Texas State Trap Shoot in San Antonio. I will always remember that trip.

Gray Ghost
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 12:28 PM EST
Subject: OK Doofus 12:13pm
"I don't believe I said that and if I did I was wrong... But this is NOT about me but about ideas. As I also believe I said way back then"

Then why the insults against the South?.."

The Soth is often held up as the essence of fundamentalist conservatism. my only point is to show that the south is also home to some of the darkest history this country has. My own real opinion is that all sections of the country have their pluses and minuses.

"Then why the insult against me ("Shhhhhh despite his military name Grey Ghost never went....")?"

not meant as an insult but a fact. I frequently find that the most blood thirsty warmongers never served when they had the chance. There is nothing wrong at all with not serving or serving another way. Just as I often defend those passed over (I was not but many good officers were), those in support like admin or supply (they also serve and help keep sharp the pointy end) and those without combat experience (the luck of the draw in many cases) If you served in the military you are a brother plain and simple. Attacking service (unless it was shameful in spots like Ollie's) is unacceptable. You served that is all I need to know and you should (end soap box moment)


GGII
"...If this is only about ideas, then why the insults from you?"

sometimes what you call insults are only descriptors other times it may well be that I let you folks get to me for a moment

"The "why" is easily understood. Your whole reason for being at TH is to place your Liberal political beliefs on a Conservative Site. Your hope is you will convince some who look at them that your liberal beliefs are "reasonable".

Partly yes but also to try and learn what makes you folks tick

"...It appears that Conservatives are far more "tolerant" of varying political beliefs than are Liberals...."

at least on this site other conservative sites are not so friendly at least to me

Gray Ghost

"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 12:35 PM EST...I will give you that when you state your rank, what you did, and where you were stationed...."

That is fair if you ever change your mind please let me know. In any case thank you for your service

GMM1
I only shot trap a few times. Your father sounds like "a h*ll of a shotgunner".

It also sounds like the two of you were very close. My father died in 1986. He was an electrical engineer and he taught me to hunt. I miss him still. I wish I could ask him questions about engineering and go out hunting with him again.

I guess that I will have to wait to do that again when I "cross over".

Georgetwin
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 12:52 PM EST
Subject: Hal ...I DID NOTHING to provoke these actions and I let it slide because I was raised to respect my elders. But for arguments sake WHY is it OK for African Americans to make such comments but taboo for anyone else?"

It is not; it is rude in any case but I have seen far more rude things said and done by whites. Not an excuse, there are rude people everywhere.

Gray Ghost writes:
only shot trap a few times. Your father sounds like "a h*ll of a shotgunner".

It also sounds like the two of you were very close. My father died in 1986. He was an electrical engineer and he taught me to hunt. I miss him still. I wish I could ask him questions about engineering and go out hunting with him again.

I guess that I will have to wait to do that again when I "cross over".

Same here. I wish I could share sea stories together, since we were both in the Navy, shoot with him, and just bs with him.

I guess that I will have to wait to do that again when I "cross over".


Hal Donahue 1:02pm
Your welcome. (Even though I am a short timer and do not feel that my short time is anything like those who served in combat.)

Back in 2007, I thanked you for yours.

Gray Ghost
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 1:10 PM EST
Subject: Hal Donahue 1:02pm
Your welcome. (Even though I am a short timer and do not feel that my short time is anything like those who served in combat.)

Back in 2007, I thanked you for yours."

yes you did

One Last Thing Hal Donahue
You catch alot more flies with honey than vinegar.

You would be alot more respected here at TH if you left off the insults. I know that no Conservative here (except a few) will do anything more than disagree with you if you do that.

My experience in the USA (and I have lived in the North) is that Conservatives by and large will only argue with you on your political views. Once you start insulting or "belittling", all bets are off. They will return the favor. (Myself included.)

Politeness counts for alot.

Dr Adams
Thanks for a great column, though the lady's email address should rather have been omitted than published.

That said, I've asked Santa for a lady's pistol for Christmas this year and can reliably look forward to receiving it!

Hal Donahue 12:59pm
"Partly yes but also to try and learn what makes you folks tick"

Easy. God, country (via the Constitution), and family.

In that order.

Hal Drunkahue
True, bid I didn't do or say ANY OF THEM!

Gray Ghost
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 1:23 PM EST
Subject: One Last Thing Hal Donahue
You catch alot more flies with honey than vinegar.

You would be alot more respected here at TH if you left off the insults. I know that no Conservative here (except a few) will do anything more than disagree with you if you do that."

It is the few I have difficulty with. I do try and be polite but I will not be anyone's doormat. I am overweight. I am not a drunk. I served well and proudly. If I am not being polite let me know and we will discuss it

"My experience in the USA (and I have lived in the North) is that Conservatives by and large will only argue with you on your political views. Once you start insulting or "belittling", all bets are off. They will return the favor. (Myself included.)"

my experience with the new conservative has been much different more along the lines of Malkin and Coulter


Gray Ghost
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 1:29 PM EST
Subject: Hal Donahue 12:59pm
"Partly yes but also to try and learn what makes you folks tick"

Easy. God, country (via the Constitution), and family.

In that order."

See here the debate is. Which god? country??? another general term if country was all you would have voted Obama this time in my book and family? that one seems to be universal everywhere yet many conservatives would deny some the ability to form one

Georgetwin
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 1:32 PM EST
Hal ....
True, bid I didn't do or say ANY OF THEM!"

Just like passing on good deeds bad deeds go round too the trick is to try and turn them into good deeds some how

Darkness Fish
I don't track my posts to a particular columnest, but you are probably right. I don't read Adams much because I prefer columnists who make arguments. Occassionally a title to one of Adams' column pulls me in and I wind up embarrassed to think that this idiot is a college professor.

But since he so seldom says things worth commenting on it probably would be better of me to pass on the temptation to point out how silly he makes himself look with his arguments.

Yours is a fair criticism here.

Hal:
Because it is all about country is why I voted for McCain. All we got and get from Obama is generalities, banalities, flipflops, and Clinton retreads.

Mike, thanks for the info.
I have the Marlin and the Ruger. I settled for the S&W Mod642 for a CCW based on weight and no hammer. Next purchase is the Remington.

perfect
Dear Professor Adams,

Nothing you could have done could have proved my point better about the hate and division being sown by the Right than publishing my personal email and writing what you wrote.

Thank you for your accomodation.

Deborah Lagutaris

GMM1
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 1:46 PM EST
Subject: Hal:
Because it is all about country is why I voted for McCain. All we got and get from Obama is generalities, banalities, flipflops, and Clinton retreads."

And that is exactly why I voted for Obama. Obama will lead and very well from what I have seen and his advisers are excellent I know several

Deborah:
You want to see hate and division go to DU, DailyKOS, Huffpo, Smirking chimp et al.

Deborah
welcome and an excellent point LOL. thank you for sending that e-mail to him

Hal
All he has for advisors are Clinton and Carter retreads, and left wing loons.

Julio
"At the gun show last weekend, we even saw some bumper stickers in the parking lot that we were somewhat surprised to see... Obama '08... now why would someone vote for Obama then show up at a gun show to buy firearms because they are worried about the loss of their rights?"

Did it ever occur to you that some people buy guns just for hunting, target shooting, or hanging on the wall. Obama has made it clear that he believes in the individual right to bear arms with reasonable restictions:
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/06/obama_ likes_heller.php

Maybe people you saw are more concerned with the economy than with fighting it out with the marines. Maybe they're gay and feel they need protection from rampant homophobes.

Hal:
How come I have never seen you condemn the spiteful, hateful, disgusting filth that spews from DU, DailyKOS, Huffpo, Smirking chimp et al. is it because they are left wing sites, and no lib will attack a fellow?

Is Debbie from Dallas?
If so, she should know that one purpose of the second ammendment is to make it very difficult for King George III or any potential dictator to assume totalitarian power.

GMM1
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 2:30 PM EST
Subject: Hal
All he has for advisors are Clinton and Carter retreads, and left wing loons."

LMAO lots of generals and the folks I know are FAR from left wing loons although I guess that depends where you stand. Do you consider ne one LOL

sjpatejak writes:
Did it ever occur to you that some people buy guns just for hunting, target shooting, or hanging on the wall. Obama has made it clear that he believes in the individual right to bear arms with reasonable restictions:
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/06/obama_ likes_heller.php

He supported both the D.C. gun ba, the Chicago area gun bans, and still is trying to find ways around Heller. Does that sound like a supporter of the 2nd Amendment?

rdk
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 2:33 PM EST
Is Debbie from Dallas?
If so, she should know that one purpose of the second ammendment is to make it very difficult for King George III or any potential dictator to assume totalitarian power..."

LMAO here we go with that NRA fantasy again. Look given the distribution of handguns and increased weapons sales in red states it is far more likely that they will attempt to be used to over throw the Constitution don't you think?

Hal;
I consider you to be to the left of Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov. You haven't met a Democratic program or tax you don't like.

GMM1
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 2:37 PM EST
,,,He supported both the D.C. gun ba, the Chicago area gun bans, and still is trying to find ways around Heller. Does that sound like a supporter of the 2nd Amendment?"

It does to me and a lot of other folks.

Hal 1:39pm
"See here the debate is. Which god? country??? another general term if country was all you would have voted Obama this time in my book and family? that one seems to be universal everywhere yet many conservatives would deny some the ability to form one"

Which God?

I will act like I didn't really hear this, Hal; the God of the Old and New Testaments in the Bible. Like it or not Hal, this country was built by Christians, non-denominational types, and Jews; not by Muslims and Hindus. (And yes, by including Muslims, I believe that their "Allah" is not the God I worship; but it is taken from their "moon god" that predates Mohammed.)

country???

Are you living in a separate country? Does "PA" stand for Pakistan? You are being a "tad" bit arrogant when you ask that.

"if country was all you would have voted Obama this time in my book"; and in my book you could have only voted against Obama.

family?

"that one seems to be universal everywhere yet many conservatives would deny some the ability to form one"; if you mean allowing "gay marriage", then go back to the Old Testament and the New Testament and read what God says about marriage: IT IS BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN. (This gets back to the first item of: "God, country, and family.)

If gays want to have a "civil union", I have no problems. But do not force me to say it is all right or proper for "gay marriage". In my opinion it is not.

GMM1
"Location: TX
Reply # 128
Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 2:39 PM EST
Hal;..."

In that case I doubt you will support Obama LOL. By they way I have met and helped in a small way to change them. Like now the Democratic Party is THE party supporting military, their families and veterans

Hal:
As far as I can see the 2nd Amendment did not say "The Right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, except by idiot politicians trying to restrict it."

A Quibble,
I have to say that I can't agree with one of your gun choices and that I have a quibble with your reasoning on another.

First, while I know the respect many have for them, the huge, chunky, rectangular grips on "The Block" couldn't be more ill-suited to smaller hands. If you're giving a gun to a woman with small hands S&W's M&P or M&Pc 9 is a better choice since the interchangeable backstraps make for a better fit.

Still, we who have VERY tiny hands may still find even the smallest of the options too much -- resulting in poor trigger finger placement and miserable tendency to shoot low and left. For small-handed women desirous of double-stack capacity the faithful and long-serving Beretta 92 (or its Taurus clone), with that narrowed neck at the top of the grip is a far better choice.

As for the S&W revolver, ...

Don't assume that being a woman or even having small hands means that you can't handle recoil. I have not shot .357 magnum yet, but my experience with the calibers I've met so far leads me to say with confidence that I'm willing to try shooting any caliber that's chambered in a STEEL gun with a grip size and trigger reach that fits my hand.

I specify steel because I find shooting .38sp +P in an airweight snubby unnecessarily uncomfortable. Same round in a steel snubby ... you know you've shot it but no big deal.

Its the left-libs who think women and weak and incapable. ;) Some women (and some men), have issues with recoil. Others are perfectly happy with power as long as the gun fits well.

Dem support of the Military
How, Hal, by cutting the budget 25%. Sounds like support to me, but only if I'm a complete fool. Then again to a lib black is white, up is down, and right is left.

Hal Donahue
When RANDOM people are met with VITRIOL like that, HOW/WHY should I put forth the effort?

Hal Doofus Rides Again! 2:38pm
"LMAO here we go with that NRA fantasy again. Look given the distribution of handguns and increased weapons sales in red states it is far more likely that they will attempt to be used to over throw the Constitution don't you think?"

And there you go again Hal. Have you never read the Federalist Papers? Have you never read some of the collective letters and writings from the men who were at the Constitutional Convention?

The 2nd Amendment was placed in the Constitution to make sure that if the Federal Government ever tried to be a dictatorship or to take the rights of the citizens, that the citizens could rise up and take the government back over.

("NRA Fantasy": Like I told you Hal when you start insulting or "belittling", I will return the favor.)

GMM1
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 2:50 PM EST
Dem support of the Military
How, Hal, by cutting the budget 25%. Sounds like support to me, but only if I'm a complete fool. Then again to a lib black is white, up is down, and right is lef"

How about forcing additional body and vehicle armour on a DOD who did not want them see MRAP. How about forcing higher pay raises for the troops? How about the new GI Bill all were opposed by Republicans. How about fully funding VA? lots of things and ways.

the military may well be cut the troops are exhausted and the equipment worn. The question will be what military do we need to defend the US and how do we attain it. Steady will be the hand

Georgetwin

"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 2:51 PM EST
Subject: Hal Donahue
When RANDOM people are met with VITRIOL like that, HOW/WHY should I put forth the effort?"

The same reason I try to - to make a better community and world to live in

In other words, Hal
your usual lib BS about the military.

Another Comment From The South
Hal defies the laws of physics... he sucks and he blows at the same time. I love reading Hal's version of current events and history. It's like that episode of Star Trek with the alternative reality... bearded Spock. But Hal is almost correct in one of his previous posts. You DO have to worry about that quiet person in the corner. He is the one who will fight the hardest, longest, and with the most sacrifice. He will, without question, throw himself into a meat grinder to protect your right to sit in the dark, dreaming up your little masturbatory fantasies about the world around you. But you know, it's not always that quiet guy in the corner. It has always been "everyman". Skilled and unskilled, educated and uneducated, poor, rich, middle-class... white, hispanic, asian, black and native-american... quiet or vocal... that make the difference every single day. The very people you deride every day of your life are the very people that provide you the opportunity to stick your head in the sand, with your a** held proudly aloft, to be pounded by every bleeding-heart liberal in this country... all the while blaming someone or something else for the reason the truth makes your a** hurt. You sir, with all due respect (gag), are the problem, and you disgust me.

BTW... my personal choice? Glock 23 for everyday carry, Ruger P95 9MM for my vehicle carry/backup, and Rem 870 Magnum Express - with a collapsible stock, magazine extention, 20in barrel with alternating hollow point slugs and 00 buck for home defense. If for some reason I'm not near one of my firearms, a couple of years of Krav Maga ensures me that the possibility is good I can take them out with their own femur... Goodbye Hal, and good luck with that friction burn...

Gray Ghost
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 2:54 PM EST
Hal Doofus Rides Again! 2:38pm
...And there you go again Hal. Have you never read the Federalist Papers? Have you never read some of the collective letters and writings from the men who were at the Constitutional Convention?"

Yes I have and have you noticed even back then the divisions between country and city folk? Different environments create different needs

"...The 2nd Amendment was placed in the Constitution to make sure that if the Federal Government ever tried to be a dictatorship or to take the rights of the citizens, that the citizens could rise up and take the government back over."

Perhaps BUT back then guns were NOT everywhere and were nowhere near as lethal. Times and needs change. But I think that the national guard and reserve forces met that need. All the common citizen will accomplish is to be slaughtered

"("NRA Fantasy": Like I told you Hal when you start insulting or "belittling", I will return the favor.)"

I do consider the NRA (and yes I was once a member) to be an extreme organization. I am stating a fact as I see it. And it is a Fantasy that the citizens will rise up and take the government - there are better ways and we just did it. there was no insult there was an observation

thank you again
I sent you a private communication politely asking for civility in public discourse, and you broadcast my email address to your "moral and upright" readers. Even more puzzling, you used a reference to a porn film to drive readers to your column. Shameless.

I am here to report on the results of your boorish behavior. Someone subscribed me to several hundred email lists. I am getting more hatemails by the minute. I expect to start getting viruses and other such mischief in the near future.

I have no inclination, nor time, to seek justice or to pursue retaliation. But what goes around comes around, and somehow you will reap the rewards of your work.

GMM1
Yes those sites you listed are hate filled and divisive, but Deborah was addressing right wing sites and this one in particular. She made her case to Dr. Adams in a respectful manner and did not engage in any angry rhetoric. Yet, as I pointed out earlier, Adams was not only sarcastic in return; he posted her email to subject her to further abuses. That was wrong. That is not the action of a decent man.

MikeR:GMM1
Decency? Welcome to the transparency of the world we live in. You should recognize it... you and your helped define it. Deb gets the same decency that has been shown to every conservative in this country has been exposed to over the last 8 years. Sucks? sure does. Too bad. Have you met Hal and Will?

Scott
Two wrongs do not make a right. Furthermore in such reasoning, each party will claim some prior grievance to justify their behavior. If you aren’t man enough to be responsible for your own behavior, then consider this. The folks here at TH constantly claim the moral high ground. They take every opportunity to point out how they are better than the liberals. Your reasoning justifies the inferior behavior of the liberals and shows the piety of the conservative to be hypocrisy.

Hal:
I do consider the NRA (and yes I was once a member) to be an extreme organization. I am stating a fact as I see it.

No, Hal, that is not a fact. It is merely one of your many leftwing, loony, logicless opinions.

MikeR
Dr. Adams was replying to Deborah's assertion that only the right wing was hate filled and divisive. I merely pointe out that the left was much more vicious, hate filled, and divisive.

MikeR
NOW you claim two wrongs don't make a right?? What I have issue with is the endless, nonstop bombardment of vile garbage coming from the left, but now you try to appeal to the very sensibilities that allowed this behavior to run rampant over the last 8 years? I tell you what... you prostrate yourself with profuse apologies, acknowledge that the last 8 years has been a "release the hounds" tidal wave of leftwing whack-a-do nutjobs... throw in an acknowledgment that the MSM completely mislead the entire nation... That the platform Obama ran for "Change" is really the same old song and dance... read Clinton-Lite...and I'll play nice. What me to be man enough to accept responsibility for my actions? Fine. You first.

Adams in pay of munitions lobby?
I have read most of the loathsome emails that your "moral and upright readers" have sent to me. Many of your readers are out buying more guns as we speak. Your corporate masters must be pleased with you, Dr. Adams.

When innocent people start dying in the race wars you seem to want to inspire, will you be happy? I will start posting some of those emails in the Comments area after my return from work today.

Deborah:
Try reading some of those "warm, fuzzy, gentle posts" about GWB, and then say only the right is mean.

GMM1:Deborah
Don't make her work too hard by going all the way back to GWB.. just have her post some of the kostard posts about Palin... or McCain... or about Christians... or about the South... geez... How about an except from The VIEW??? That would be nice... pick a day.

Scott:
Apparently, she has never seen the Doofass's comments about the South.

GMM1
Apparently, Deb is stuck between realities... with MikeR as a Guide...

Malice
The article was a hoot! Personally the good ol' 1911s in .45cal is my favorite protection, housed in a dual shoulder holster rig with 4 spare mags.

On the homos: If the police cannot or will not protect citizens rights from harassment from these ridiculous deviants then it's time to ratchet things up with a little gleeful “pushback”. They have once again crossed the line of indecency, this time physically. A little terror in their perverted lives will do them good.

GMM1
Deb made no such assertion in her letter. Her letter was actually issue specific and not broad based on the first place. Adams behaved as poorly as the sources he decried. Do you believe the car thief should be pardoned because the next case in the queue is for murder? Do you believe that the lesser evil should be ignored in light of a greater one? As I said, Adams has no interest or influence on the groups he listed. Debs appeal was to him for what he could do; and like a cad he didn’t give reason why he shouldn’t or won’t, he rebuked her with an insult.

Scott
I have always said that two wrongs make a right. Furthermore you can search through all the comments I have made over the years at TH and you will not find a single hateful or degrading remark. If you want a stinging rebuke of the left, look in the last Norris thread. I have never failed to accept full responsibility for everything I’ve ever said or done.

If you have such issue with is the endless, nonstop bombardment of vile garbage coming from the left, why would you condone such behavior from the right? Why would you want your side to be sullied with even the slightest attributes of the left? You show very little difference from the people you list. Be honest, deep down you like seeing it dished out because you tell yourself they had it coming.


GrayGhost
The koran makes it very plain the Muhammad is one of a long line of prophets including Moses and Jesus.
http://islam.about.com/od/prophets/p/prophets.htm

The crescent moon symbol comes from the flag of Christian Constantinople which fell to the Turks in 1453. That in turn does derive from Artemis, the Greek moon goddess. So unless you're willing to say that the Greek Orthodox pray to the moon, you can't say it about Muslims.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Constantinople-Banner.sv g


MikeR:
Here is deborah's email "I am extremely concerned about the hateful tone of pundits who make money from stirring up needless division and spreading misinformation.

The hate-mongering and fear-spreading used by the Right to try to salvage its power has frightened perfectly normal members of my family into thinking that the Obama presidency will bring us a totalitarian government. If you are really a scholar, then you know that this is all hokum.

I hope that you will use your place of respect to call a halt to this campaign of ; hate and fear. Sincerely,


Deborah Lagutaris."

MikeR., Please tell me where it is issue specific? My point was and is that the left is probably much more vicious, hate filled and divisive than the right, and apparently Deborah has no problem with that.

Deborah
I agree that Prof. Adams should not have used either your name or your email address. The tenor of your email to him was unfair, though. The right has had to endure eight years of vicious attacks from the left and now, in a very backhanded way, you ask him to shut up and march in lockstep with Obama. I agree that there is a lot of poison flying around, but I see it on both sides, not just the right. Do you not see the hate from the gay marriage movement? One cannot disagree with them or one is a homophobe, hater, Nazi, religious bigot or uneducated hick. Standing up for what our religion tells us is right and demanding that the majority be treated as the majority is neither hate nor bigotry. I apologize on behalf of all of the level-headed posters here-abusing someone for their political beliefs is just wrong. But if you think that the conservative religious folk are going to turn the other cheek and keep playing nice, as we have always done, well, get ready to be surprised. We are not going to go along to get along-we will use the tactics of the left and be just as bad as they dare to be. BTW-just try to post something conservative on KOS or HuffPo and see how tolerant they are of different viewpoints.

MikeR
I truly believe that the time has come when we can no longer avoid getting dirty. The left has been having a field day with the GOP because we always insist on our elected officials acting with grace and decorum. I think that, as is typical with bullies, unless the GOP finds it's sack, and quickly, hte next few years will bring more of the same. In short, we are going to have to get dirty and use the left's own tricks against them. Perhaps that is what Dr. Adams is trying to get across.

MikeR
I think you had a little slip in your last comment... "I have always said that two wrongs make a right"... I'll let that one go, because one, I'm sure it was unintintional and not a true reflection of your intention, and two... to capitalize one an obvious error would be pathetic... a tactic I've seen employed by the left at every opportunity.

Another tactic employed frequently is dishing it out, then appealing to decency to deflect, as you just employed. The left defined it and perfected it. Sullied? Not a chance. Not worried in the least. These are the lefts rules... I'm a conservative, so I play by the rules. Do I deep down think they had it coming... absolutely. The left's response to this is all very predictable... like a childish game. Express shock, disclaim tactics, can't we all just get along, appeal to kindness and morality... then debase your critics and deflect if at all possible... and divide, then express shock and outrage when details are laid bare? No unity? Then come generalizations... ahh, the dumbing down of American Politics... MikeR, I'm sure that, deep down, you are a good person. I'm sure that your beliefs are founded in the convictions you have established by the view of the world as you see it. That is cool. You have the right. The left has the right to exhibit any world view they choose... but don't ask me to hold the toilet paper while you crap on my head.

BTW... still waiting for you to man up from the previous post... but I'm not holding my breath.

WHY HATE CHRISTIANS
JESUS IS MORE THAN A PROPHET HE IS MY LORD AND SAVIOR. I DON'T CARE ABOUT PREACHERS USING THEIR PLACE OF WORSHIP FOR ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES.MY SALVATION IS NOT BECAUSE THE UNITED STATES ELECT AN IMMORAL PRESIDENT, CLINTON WOULD HAVE CONDEMNED US ALL. AND IF SOMEONE GOT THROUGH BUSH WOULD HAVE MANAGED TO TAKE CARE OF ALL CHILDERN. NOR DO I CARE WHAT MUSLIMS, JEWS, HINDUS, OR ANY OTHER RELIGION DOES THEY HAVE A DATE WITH JESUS ON JUDGEMENT DAY. AS A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN I WILL PRAY FOR OBAMA AS I HAVE FOR THOSE THAT PRECEEDED HIM. I WILL PRAY FOR THOSE THAT HATE CHRIST EVEN THOSE THAT CONGREGATE.

Deborah
Sorry to grab you again but I forgot to mention that Dr. Adams is not in the employ of any gun lobby or group. He just really likes hunting and shooting and also the Constitution. The 2nd Amendment is all that stands between freedom and tyranny-not my words but those of T. Jefferson. Despite what Hal "Heavy D" Donahue writes, guns were very prevalent when we rebelled against tyranny and they were powerful enough to kill a man. Otherwise, we would have lost.

Gay rights activists, left wing crazies
Mike... I've read you and agreed with you forever. I am now so frustrated with this election and BS from the left crazies that I have adopted a new plan for my families future. "I can't stop you from being crazy out there... but the craziness stops at my front door!"
Sorta like Bill Orielly's spin stop, but with 9mm hollow points to back it up!!!

GAY
Have you wondered as have I, why the Gay rights advocates who parade around with signs tha proclaim hatred for christian faiths, do not have signs that proclaim hatred for Islamic, Muslim, bhuddist, zen, or any other numerous faiths and picket or disrupt their services.

For a bunch of off beats who claim they are being peed on because they cannot use the the tradional word marriage to define their union, I'd say they were being discriminatory...maybe smart enough not to mess with them other guys.

Hal Donahue and Gene Touchet
Two Practicing HOMOS of the same cloth. You two are so full of yourselves and each other. We are sick and tired of listening to you two cowardly pukes. Why don't you both just STFU, get off this website

God Guns & Glory

Cheers, Chuck

MIke
Squirrel is MUCH better than possum. Possum has just too much fat on it. Turtle is even better.

Great article!

GMM1
"The hate-mongering and fear-spreading used by the Right to try to salvage its power has frightened perfectly normal members of my family into thinking that the Obama presidency will bring us a totalitarian government"

The single specific issue is that the Obama presidency will bring us a totalitarian government.

An amusing column
I don't think i have seen as impressive a list of guns as this column carried. The author must have gotten a real kick out of writing it.

The point of these columns seem to demonize media who they call ultra liberal, or to attack groups of people who a different than they are.

Once the hate is established then here is no problem selling their columns. Its certainly a common thread here on town hall.

No doubt their readers never switch to CNN or the evening news on CBS, NBC etc to even check out where this liberal bias should show its ugly head. Running a speech by Obama followed by a speech by McCain certainly leads to a very left leaning event. They provide reports on the Bail out for corporation or big banks and that certainly has a left leaning tilt. Especially since they provide the republican view of the topic as well as the democrats. All a very liberal effort to pollute the minds of viewers don't you think?

Scott
MikeR Location: PA
Reply # 57
Date: Nov 18, 2008 - 10:59 AM EST
Subject: well, well
“The behavior was reprehensible. It tarnished all who ever offered support for this movement and destroyed the credibility of Gay Marriage being tolerance and acceptance. Any leader or spokesman of the amendment who doesn’t denounce this aggression is guilty of supporting it.”

That was as recent as yesterday. In the past, I have accused the MSM of manufacturing consent; I have railed at KOS for booting me and praised TH as being the only site where dissention is tolerated. I have commented several time at how little I expect from liberals due to their volatile and extremely partisan nature, and listed as their chief hypocrisy their lack of tolerance.

As for manning up, I will sooner accept CVN65’s reasoning more than any other regarding what Dr. Adams did with this column.


Expose Them All: Ridicule And Embarrass
An earlier comment implied that Mike was classless for giving out Deborah Lagutaris' email address. The writer believed that it lowered us, conservatives that is, to the level of liberals who routinely do those things.

Wrong! Giving out her email address is exactly the right thing to do. We conservative need to understand that we are at war with socialists, communists, anarchists and every other liberal Democrat goon that would change this country into a big brother gulag.

Conservatives need to attack liberals as ruthlessly as they attack us. We need to expose them, ridicule them, embarrass them, publish there email address, home address, phone numbers and business locations. We need to make sure that liberal stooges like Deb are always looking over their shoulder as they go about their miserable, hate-filled lives.

Yesterday, Mike published an excellent article about a Pepperdine University official named Don Lawrence. Don Lawrence serves in a position reserved for morons who have spent their entire lives in academia. Don Lawrence is the Director of Intercultural Affairs, whatever that is. Apparently, Don's job entails censoring all conservative speech.

Mike, keep up the good work and thanks for exposing yet another intolerant liberal Democrat.

Mike sayz:
Remington 870 12-guage

You won't find a better all around gun. With choke tubes, or separate barrels for different things, it is good for everything from home defense to bird hunting to deer hunting. I own 2 and a couple of others.
But Mike, a 9mm is for girls IMO. If you want real knockdown power, go with a .40 cal or better yet a .45 cal Just be sure to have extra clips!
5 stars for setting that lost soul straight in a nice way!

doofass sayz:
Why, oh why is it those without military experience who most often talk tough about civil war and strife?

You using a vodka bottle for a crystal ball? You don't know who all has had that experience and I would bet people here on TH have had more experience than any seatbuffing blubberbutt ex lt col.

LMFAO hic! (not used with blubberbutt the seatbuffers permission, because I will NEVER ask for it!)


Email
The reason Mr. Adams published her email is because he is a bully, an *ss, and not very gentlemanly.

What did she write that was so egregious?
He states he even agrees with most she has to say. Does he agree with hateful pundits who stir up needless division and spreading misinformation? This would be the opposite of what she's saying. While he rightfully points out the hypocracy of the left, what purpose does posting her email address serve? We all know the answer to that, he's hoping his minions will blast her with hate mail. He's no better than the knucleheads on the left.

Homosexual Marriage is about a license

Homosexual Marriage is about a license.

There are restrictions on acquiring licenses.

Not everyone can acquire a 'Medical' license because there are restrictions.

Not everyone can acquire a 'Drivers' license because there are restrictions.

Not everyone can acquire a 'Pilot' license because there are restrictions.

Not everyone can acquire a 'Marriage' license because there are restrictions.

This is NOT about 'Civil Rights' it is about restrictions on acquiring a license.

Homosexuals have exactly the same rights and protections under the Constitution and Bill of Rights as every other American Citizen.

This whole controversy is about a group of people who have chosen to be deviants and want everyone else to call them normal - it has NOTHING to do with Civil Rights.

Homosexual Marriage -> False Self Esteem

Homosexuals want respect of both themselves and their lifestyle - yet most homosexuals and certainly their leaders, show NO respect for anyone else and their lifestyle.

The goal of most Homosexuals is a complete and utter vulgarization of society.

Ever watch a Homosexual parade? The only goal is to shock and degrade any semblance of normality.

This is NOT about 'Civil Rights', but about 'Vulgar Rights'.

There are no orderly quests for Civil Unions which most Americans would agree to - rather it is a vicious attack on anything 'Sacred' - anything 'Traditional'.

Most Homosexuals hate themselves and anyone who does not agree with their vulgar lifestyle.

Regardless of what Homosexuals gain, it will never be enough to satisfy or sate their unnatural lusts.

Homosexuals want to deny others freedom of religion, freedom of speech and even freedom of thought - unless all others praise them and their deviance from normality.

The concept of live and let live is 'Anathema' to militant Homosexuals.

prepositions
Dear Prof. Adams;
"complained about he and his wife “growing apart”. I'm having a difficult time convincing my grandson that the objective case of pronouns follow prepositions.
One more like this and I may have to turn you in to the PC police on your campus, since improper English is not politically correct
regretfully
John Hussey

Need Advice
I too am stocking up and currently trying to decide on a new rifle. Should it be a .270 or a .30-06? My research has the .270 shooting flatter out to 200 yrds but the 30.06 has a little more knockdown power. I don't hunt much if ever. Recently bought a Taurus 608 w/4" barrel and it is a real tack driver. Keep up the good work, Dr Adams.

Clinging to my Bible and my firearms out on the Oklahoma prairie.

CharletonHeston
"Date: Nov 19, 2008 - 5:48 PM EST Hal Donahue and Gene Touchet...God Guns & Glory

Cheers, Chuck "

And I thought dementia stopped at the grave sigh

Hal Doofass scribbles:
And I thought dementia stopped at the grave sigh

No, dementia is pandemic to the 1005 level amongst Dumbasscraps, leftists, liberals, progressives, and all others of that ilk.

GMM1
Thankls for proving my point LOL
good nite

Retired Geek
Subject: Homosexual Marriage -> False Self Esteem

I agree completely. Thank you for posting this.

Bobaz
Your comment provides excellent proof of the malice and vindictiveness of Dr. Adams (unless of course you think he is a fool, which I doubt; the man is no fool). Deborah did not attack Mike. She wrote to him and he could have responded by giving reasons for his belief or simply his view on the issue. Instead, he did just as you described.

The lesson is “dare to disagree with us or question what we do and you will be ridiculed, embarrassed and have to be always looking over your shoulder. Deb’s email gave absolutely no reason to think that she was miserable or hate filled. You are the one here suggesting we turn this country into a big brother gulag.

And I ask all conservatives to pay close attention to what Bobaz has written. It applies to all of us. Sure, you may agree today, but what about tomorrow? Dare to disagree or break from the sheep herd and you too will be given the treatment Bobaz has prescribed. If you actually believe the liberals under Obama are moving towards totalitarianism, look twice; the conservatives like Bobaz under Adams are moving towards it too.

mikeR
God, you are such an embittered little homo. Do you think anyone buys into your faux outrage?

mike
Well, I am not outraged and never claimed to be in this matter, but certainly people buy my position. You for one must have. Not only are you unable to rebut a single point of my argument, you were reduced to name calling and not even a very imaginative one at that.

Of course the theme of the column is the malice of liberals and my argument was the extent to which conservatives do the same. So in that sense, you actually provide support for my position.

Perhaps the purchase of any of the fine weapons listed above will lift your spirits and help provide a feeling of empowerment which your wits can’t. If that doesn’t work, feel free to call me another name. I’m sure it’s the height of your intellectual capacity.

mikeR
Are you calling me stupid? waaaaaahhh!

I buy MikeR's outrage
I usually like it when Dr. Adams releases emails of high and mighty university professors who abuse their power, or officials who suppress speech or show intolerance toward those with less power than them. But this is the complete opposite. This is a girl with relatively little power asking for tolerance, and a whiny criminologist with a national column leaking her email to a group of irresponsible trolls. I knew from some of Dr. Adams silly assaults on evolution that he wasn't well informed on some issues, but I didn't know he was this malicious and cruel.

I don't respect the man at all anymore, and I had up until this.

mike
I wouldn’t say that you were stupid; but I am saying that you and anyone who resorts to insults and name calling instead of forming an argument can’t be very smart. I could be wrong there. You could be smart enough but choose not to because you lack the maturity; or it could be a matter of ignorance where you have the capacity but have never been taught or raised properly. Then again, it may be a psychological reaction where you are merely projecting the feeling you have in yourself yet cannot express or even acknowledge.

So in that sense, it would be wrong of me to simply think that you are stupid. But no matter how I view your personality, the fact of what you have written stands. And for all intents and purposes, my assessment is accurate.

THIS ESSAY IS TERRIFIC
I LOVED EVERY WORD OF THIS ESSAY! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! (And squirrel stew isn't just redneck, it's Cajun too.) Signed, Still Free Down on the Bayou

P.S.
In addition to what I said about LOVING THIS ESSAY, please allow me to add that since this election it would be wise to buy plenty of ammo now at gun shows cause we're going to be looking at HIGH, as in HIGH taxes on ammo. For those sheltered, naive liberals who think gun owners are crazed hicks let me remind them that some of us choose to live off the land as much as possible. We also like to be able to protect ourselves against home invasions and car jackings. We recognize that the police can't get there fast enough and we don't care to hand over our belongings to some idiot dropout without a firefight. Signed, Still Free in Cajunland

Karen
Yes, sheltered liberals can be very naive in their thinking. How do you suppose they compare to naive conservatives who while trying to live off the land as much as possible forget that their firearms are the product of factories that can’t exist without a complex infrastructure that relies on cites as much as it does farms and mines?

Dear Retired Geek
You are 100% correct. Thank you for your posts.

I'm afraid I just don't get it. How can they be trying to force us to accept their behavior as normal when they march down streets in bizarre costumes, perform vile acts in front of children, barge into churches and profane everything sacred and holy, mock Christ in every way imaginable, especially during Easter, and now are attacking Christians physically on the streets?

They have even attacked blacks who are gay, assuming every black is against them, and also assuming that their "battle" is the same one the blacks fought for equality. Most black people, as far as I have read, resent the "gays" hijacking their cause, and rightly so.

What ever happened to privacy, modesty, decency? Why must they insist on coarsening every part of our daily lives, while insisting they "just want to be equal". I know thousands of heterosexuals but I think I'd be hard pressed to find a single one of them willing to march down the street half-naked in bizarre costume or barge into a church and throw condoms around, spit on a priest administering Communion, or, throw AIDs-tainted blood on parishioners.

If "gay" people really want to be considered and treated as normal, a good place for them to start would be to begin acting that way. Daily trolling of public restrooms for multiple, multiple sex partners is not on the list of most peoples' Things I Gotta Do Today.

To MIKE in PA
Testy, testy! Did I strike a nerve? Where I grew up in PA there were plenty of guns around in our farm community. Think of all those pheasants and deer. Why are you on the attack? Do you think gun owners are crazed hicks also? Just asking. Signed, Still Free in Cajunland

sjpatejak
I've proven Obama's anti gun position to more than one liberal. Do you guys ever read anything except his propaganda?

This site pretty much tells the story.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Gun_Control.htm

Hazel in MINNESOTA
Thanx for the post. It helps to get the word out so people get the message before it's too late. Signed, Still Free in Cajunland

Karen
No Karen, I have never said nor intimated anything of the sort. Furthermore, I have always supported gun ownership for hunting, protection and even just the pleasure of collecting fine objects.

The only things I have ever really opposed here are hypocrisy and a sense of superiority coming from either side. Live off the land all you like, but don’t kid yourself that your “independence” is highly dependent on the efforts of others who aren’t in a position to live off the land.

To MIKE in PA
Mike, why do you sound so cranky about people trying to live off the land as much as possible. Key words: AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE! Doesn't mean we don't appreciate the efforts of others who contribute to the society. I can't make my Toyota pickup. I can't make my Martin guitar. I can't make a myriad of things I use, however, I TRY to live off the land as much as possible. When the stuff hits the fan, we will all need to learn the ways of our great, great grandparents who homesteaded this country. Chill,sir. I'm trying to set a good example for our throwaway, spoiled, consumer society. I don't use A/C. I don't own a dryer. I stir my laundry with a stick. I grow lots of vegetables and oldtime healing herbs and write about the old Cajun ways. I even have an outhouse should the septic tank mess up. Cut me a break; I'm trying to help the society by example. By the way, I'm glad you're not against guns! Check out Hank Williams,Jr.'s "A Country Boy Will Survive." Signed, Still Free in Cajunland

The Good Doctor
doesn't really know that much about guns. If he did, and wasn't just trying to tweak a person who seems to be writing him a sincere missive with his usual passive-aggressive nonsense, he'd know that the Remington he claims to have given the neighbor's kid would've been a better choice for when his childhood dog was whipped.

Seriously, Mike. "It'll take down a pit-bull"

--With, or without lipstick?

I am somewhat ashamed that I know more about guns than a self-professed "right-winger," especially in light of the fact that I live in Mike's base of operations, am liberal, and voted for Obama in the primaries and general election.

But then again, Mike's particular brand of conservatism is more about appearances then reality.

Don't let the door hit you, neocons.

To GREGORY
What's with the anger? I don't understand where you're coming from? Why are you "embarrassed" about knowing about guns? I think that's a good, practical thing!
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