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Monday, September 08, 2008
Mike Adams :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Gaystapo
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Last Thursday, at 1:58 p.m. EST, I received an email message from a bi-sexual reverend from West Virginia. In the text following the subject, “You're a con man,” the queer preacher had this to say:

Your recent "Fat Lesbians on Crack" piece is an example of grossly irresponsible rhetoric that serves ideology, not mental health. It is appalling to me that someone with your lack of intelligence and indifference to professional consensus is actively employed in a teaching role.

I am always delighted when I get moral advice – especially on human sexual relationships - from people who reside in West Virginia. As a native of Mississippi, I find it best to climb up the moral latter one rung at a time. If I move up too quickly my fear of heights could be enough to make me forget all about my fear of queer preachers from West Virginia.

(Author’s Note: When I called the bi-sexual reverend from West Virginia, he said he was not gay but “queer” – specifically a bi-sexual who rejects “essentialist notions of gayness.”)

And I’m also glad whenever I’m lectured about “professional consensus” by queer preachers from West Virginia. Those who actually read my “Fat Lesbians on Crack” piece remember that it was about a counselor who was fired from her job because of her objections to homosexuality. That is exactly how this “consensus” that homosexuality is not a mental illness is emerging in the counseling profession. Radical homosexual activists are simply having all the people who hold a contrary view fired.

Read the next line of the queer preacher’s email for a good example:

A counselor who objects to homosexuality per se is an unqualified counselor, one dominated by irrational biases and certain to cause greater harm.

So, what did the queer preacher mean when he said it is “appalling” that one with such “indifference to professional consensus” is “actively employed in a teaching role”? He meant that after the gays fire all of the counselors who do not agree with homosexuality they should commence to fire all the teachers who do not recognize as legitimate the “consensus” they created by firing people.

Of course, before signing off, Reverend Dr. Stewart had a few words to say about theology as well:

Sounds more like the intrusion of false religion--an intrusion whose graver consequence is the substitution of textual authoritarianism for authentic spiritual experience. It is irresponsible in either a clinical or pastoral context.

(Rev) Christopher B. Stewart, PhD Christopher.Stewart@mail.wvu.edu

When the queer preacher warns against substituting “textual authoritarianism” for “authentic spiritual experience” here is what he is saying: It is fun to take out the parts of the Bible you don’t like and substitute your own personal feelings.

Obviously, what queer preachers like the Reverend Dr. Stewart really want is to play the role of God. And when the queer preacher speaks of the irresponsibility of “textual authoritarianism” in the “pastoral context” you know this is precisely what he means: After we fire all of the counselors and teachers who disagree with us, we will target the preachers who disagree with us, too.

Of course, the queer preacher from West Virginia was not going to confine himself to just writing me one nasty little missive. He had to write all of the professors in my department as well as everyone in the Office of the Dean of Arts and Sciences to suggest that I should be fired from UNCW. Here’s the full text of his email – written under the subject line “Mike Adams’ hate speech insults UNC”:

I trust you are aware of the egregiously misinformed hate speech of Mike S. Adams, a UNC faculty member in Criminology. Is this the sort of university representative you take pride in? I hope this dinosaur hasn't got tenure--it's a shame he's teaching at all.

Christopher B. Stewart, PhD Christopher.Stewart@mail.wvu.edu

There is no mention of how I was “misinformed” about the Alliance Defense Fund lawsuit that was the subject of the now infamous “Fat Lesbians on Crack” article. Nor is there any attempt to explain how my defense of a black woman who has lost her job at the hands of the Gaystapo constitutes “hate speech.” I guess it just means he hates to hear me speak.

Of course, this tenured dinosaur from North Carolina is not going to be intimidated by a queer preacher from West Virginia. In fact, I plan to write him this afternoon to tell him where to insert his textual authoritarianism. And I hope you’ll join me in writing the queer preacher to let him know that Americans are getting sick and tired of the Gaystapo and its Nazi tactics.

After I’m done writing I plan to make a donation to the Boy Scouts of America. Then I’ll roast a weenie in Christopher Stewart’s honor.

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The John Lennon view
The whole issue of homo and lesbian love has been settled by the Beatles. Everyone can agree that "Happiness is a warm gun".

To truetolife
Life does throw us all a curve.

Swampfox
I'm so sorry to hear of the loss of your uncle. It sounds like he will surely be missed. Life sure does throw us curve balls, doesn't it? I, for one, know that I totally depend on my faith to see me through.

Struggles
Last Friday I lost my 82 year-old uncle to cancer. I am going to his funeral Monday. His struggle has been long. He knew that it was terminal about six months ago. But he still remained thoughtful and said that he had a good long life. Let me tell some other things about him.
*He was one of the youngest ensigns in the Navy in WWII.
*When he was around 35 he contracted a childhood disease that destroyed his pancreas. Thereafter, he was totally insulin dependent.
*At the age of 52 he and his wife lost their only son, my cousin, to freak accident. It was due to carbon dioxide leak from a heater in his apartment. My cousin had just turned 20.

Last year after I got out of the mental hospital due to my depression over my homosexuality .......... and, keeping it bottled up for so long, I prepared a short list of people in my family and friends to call. I wasn't going back in the closet, again. They were on that list. They both fully understood.

Fabius Cunctator
That was wonderful to hear of your cure. We are hoping for a miracle for our oldest daughter also who has suffered from Raynaud's Disease and Scleroderma for 23 years. She just turned 30. She and her husband have 3 little ones and they just had their house destroyed in Houston from Hurricane Ike. I couldn't sleep last night and was watching EWTN. Fr. Corapi (have you heard of him)? just had an amazing talk at a conference that was being televised. He made the connection of war and tactics and artillery and battle in a very comprehensive way. I have been a lifelong Roman Catholic and will be 55 this week. My parents and us 7 kids were always on our knees in the living room praying the rosary. I thank God for the gift of faith that they lived and handed on to us which we, in turn, have handed down to our children. Please say an extra prayer for our daughter. She has lost one finger (how ironic that she is a published author)and all of her fingers and toes are compromised. She is currently dealing with deep wounds in both feet and ankles and now she is around all that contaminated water. We know how God provides, however, and we are so thankful they are all alive. Sarah remains upbeat per usual(!)and is a constant model of faith to everyone she meets.

homosexuals are all so entrenched
in sin and satan has his tactics and we have ours. The rosary is the BEST weapon we have and I advise people to use it daily. It will strike terror in the heart of the enemy. This is a real battle and God will not have cowards in His army.

Fabius Cunctator
Thank you for all of the info. It made me realize something. One of our daughters (now age 27)is an excellent singer. She sang in several high school groups and actually had to sing in 4 choirs in college to obtain her scholarship. While in high school one of her madrigal groups would travel around to different cities and sometimes states for competition. "Regular" people would house these students for a night and we were always made to believe that these people were checked out ahead of time. Our daughter was terrified in one of these homes and didn't get a bit of sleep--the man was so weird and, in the morning, he came to breakfast totally dressed as a woman and never addressed his transformation at all. He just ate breakfast with the kids and went off to "work" supposedly. Those kids were terrified and we have only resolved to fight this whole agenda to the end. These perverts better not get near our kids--we mama bears WILL attack.

Gaystapo
Mike, you say that you have to climb the "moral latter" one rung at a time. Some clarity on just what that is would be helpful.

It isn't enough
to remain in the back alleys where all evil acts are performed--homosexuals want special treatment, flaunting their dirty deeds, luring little ones, and displaying their perversions. It just won't be accepted by the majority of people. The majority are healthy, moral people. Homosexuals know that they are totally accepted by society--it is just their chosen lifestyle which is despised as all sin should be despised. That is why they NEED activist judges--they NEED to have homosexuals infiltrate the court system, the media, television sitcoms, etc. When McCain and Palin are elected (barring fraudulent election attempts by the dems)our society will begin to head back in the right direction--the pendulum is swinging back and there will come a time when the homosexuals will get the help they need and deserve. We are fighting a spiritual battle and we already have won.

I had never heard of NARTH
before so I went to the website and learned lots of interesting new things. Why are homosexuals so mean to other homosexuals who want to leave this chosen lifestyle?

May 29, 2008 - Bart Allen is a name that most people haven't heard before. No one has made traveling plays about his tragic death nor have there been TV movies made about him nor hate crime legislation named in his honor.

Bart Allen's name, however, should be widely known and mourned. He was in the process of leaving the homosexual lifestyle when he was strangled and murdered by his gay roommate.

To Fabius
It is nice to know that you are a shrill for NARTH. Have a good day.

To Fabius
Fabius says, "Conservatives would be happy if gays would just do their thing and remain invisible." Really, Fabius. You know that is not really true. Back in the 1970s there in the state of New York some conservatives wanted to make it against the law for gays or lesbians to teach in public schools.

Charles W. Socarides, M.D who wrote the book "“Homosexuality: a Freedom to[sic]Far: A Psychoanalyst Answers 1000 Questions About Causes And Cure And The Impact Of The Gay Rights Movement On American Society”. Claimed that he cured a third of the homosexuals that he treated. Did he ever put those numbers under critical scrutiny? The simple answer to that question is, No! As I posted earlier reparative groups such as Exodus refuse to publish their own statistics as to whom they cure

As for Scardides it was revealed in the 1990s he had gay son, who served as an adviser to the Clinton Administration on Gay and Lesbian issues. Socarides couldn't cure his own son?

I regret that you want to believe that gays and lesbians are mentally ill. You seem to fear that if homosexuality is considered normal "normal" people will choose to be homosexual. May I ask, could you choose to be homosexual? And, when did you choose to be heterosexual?

in fact, homosexual marriage is
ANTI democracy.
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=2810 8

"The anti-democratic fallout of the California Supreme Court decision striking down marriage is not unexpected, and will only continue to crash down upon other states nationwide," Daniels said. "Most Americans - and most New Yorkers - want our laws to send a positive message to kids about marriage, family and their future. Today is a sad day for the people of New York who have lost the right to choose the course that is best for them, their families and their children."

More rubbish from Fabius...
Fabius writes "Many innocent people now believe that homosexuality is normal behavior."

Innocent people? With what were these people charged, that you see fit to protest their innocence?

Homosexuality is not the sum of a number of sex acts. Being gay is not a behavior -- it is a state of being, as central to my identity as my skin color, bone structure, or height. I would not change it for all the money in the world.

The American Psychiatric Association removed homosexuality from the list of mental disorders by a unanimous vote of the Nomenclature Committee in 1973, adducing the evidence compiled by researchers such as Evelyn Hooker. The American Psychological Committee (APA) made the same decision that year. The APA has categorically condemned so-called "reparative therapy" as being both ineffectual and potentially harmful.

Exodus International refuses to release data pertaining to its "success" rate. Exodus defines success in terms of marriage -- if a gay person marries a member of the opposite sex, the person is pronounced "cured."

Remember John Paulk? He was the poster boy of the "ex-gay" movement -- until he was photographed leaving a gay pickup bar ("Mr. T's") on DuPont Circle, after having tried to solicit sex from a customer. Wayne Besen, of the Human Rights Campaign, arrived with his camera. That was the end of John Paulk. The "ex-gay" movement was exposed for the sham that is was. Paulk was fired from his position with the "Family Research Council" (FRC) a few days after the event.

That tells me all I need to know...

PHILIP

More rubbish from Fabius...
Fabius asserts that "Homosexuals are influencing legislatures, courts, and the entertainment industry."

Yes, Fabius, this statement is correct. This is called democracy. Gay people are now working in prominent fields. One of my friends is a New York State Supreme Court Justice. He started his career on the bench as a civil court judge who was elected to that position through sheer hard work and dedication. He ran for this office and won -- again, this is called democracy.

We have also influenced the highest court in the land. In 2003, the US Supreme Court handed down Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558 (2003), holding that gay people may not be punished for having consensual sex in private, and that gay people are entitled to respect for their private lives. In 1999, the Vermont Supreme Court held that gay people are entitled to the benefits and privileges of marriage in all but name, leading to the creation of the first "civil unions" in the country. Several states now respect civil unions. Connecticut became the first state to enact such unions without judicial prompting. Three states now recognize gay marriages (New York, Massachusetts, and California).

This is called democracy. Do you have a problem with democracy?

PHILIP

All of this is called democracy.

To PhilipCFromNYC
The reason for our constitutional democracy is to protect the rights the individual from the tyranny of the majority.

Fabius Cunctator...
I don't know from where you derive your statistics, but I do know that gay people comprise somewhere between 4% and 10% of the male population (depending on whose research you accept). The problem with making estimates about the size of the gay population is inherent in the fact that many gay people are extremely reluctant to self-identify as gay, particularly when informed that their responses will be reported. In the end, the percentage is utterly irrelevant. A minority does not enjoy rights based on its size -- in fact, one of the indicia that the courts look to when deciding whether to apply heightened scrutiny to laws that impact a minority is the relative political power of the minority in question (refer to any text that discusses equal protection theory for information about "suspect classes"). Relative political power is a function of numerical preponderance -- you therefore undercut your own cause when you portray the gay community as being so small relative to the heterosexual community.

Much has been made about the prosecution of Swedish pastor Ake Green in 2004 for preaching against homosexuality. What those who adduce this as evidence of "persecution" of people who preach against homosexuality conveniently omit is the fact that the Swedish Supreme Court reversed Green's conviction in a unanimous opinion in November 2005. They also omit the fact that the US Constitution has a First Amendment, and that it is settled constitutional law that advocacy may not be punished in the US "...except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action" (see Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969)). Are those who are opposed to adding sexual orientation to the protective ambit of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 seriously concerned about their right to incite people to riot? Is that the form of advocacy in which these people wish to engage?

To Fabius
*Where do you get that .75%? Even the evangelical Pat Robertson says that it is more like 2%.
*The American Psychiatric Association removed being homosexual from the list of disorder in 1973. Why would some of the best educated people have such a lapse of integrity?
*Being homosexual is no more of a choice than being left-handed.
*Fabius claims that being homosexual can be fixed/cured; however, I don't know of one study that indicates that it can. Such groups as Exodus and other reparative groups even refuse to publish results.
*The Israeli armed services today allows homosexuals to openly serve. Israel is perhaps the only country in this world that can't afford to lose even one conflict.

To truetolife
Fabius can make any kind of statement that he wants to make. That doesn't make them valid. And, if the statement is invalid, questioning them does not amount to persecution.

Fabius Cunctator
Thank you. Couldn't be stated any more clearly. You will be persecuted for stating the truth. Your reward in heaven will be great.

swampfox
The ONLY thing that scares me is where you will spend eternity. Not believing in something does not mean it does not exist. The Good News is that you are LOVED.

To truetolife
Heck, I am voting for McCain/Palin. The only gay agenda is for people such as myself to be honest about our sexuality. I sorry that scares you ............ but, it is truthful.

homosexual agenda
Just a small part of the agenda:

http://www.afa.net/homosexual_agenda/

of course almost every homosexual will deny there is an agenda but that is only because they are unable to see beyond the golden rainbow.

Philip
Yawn. It's not about winning or losing. That's boastful and Christians don't boast. Although I know that YOU know that we are already victorious for we follow the Victor!!! Praise God! No, the pendulum is swinging back. That silly pendulum swings to the left and then back to the right. When McCain/Palin win then we will be on the right track back to normalcy, morality and sanity. All that you have worked for will be for naught. You have already lost. You just are too blind to even know that. Pitiful.

Hemmingway family history
Depression in the Hemmingway family is well documented. Hemmingway's father committed suicide and one of his grand-daughters committed suicide. I remember Hemmingway's reading of his disdain of effeminate men that were the mainstay of Broadway ........... yet, he was a good friend of the lesbian Gertrude Stein. What a lot of people don't know is that Hemmingway's youngest son, Gregory, underwent a sex change operation in 1995 and died in a woman's detention center in Florida in 2001 Here is a link to this particular fact:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Hemingway

Before the sex change operation he fathered eight children.

End of analysis, Truetolife...
What you bemoan, "Truetolife," is the fact that gay Americans are actually WINNING in the forum of public ideas. Connecticut became the first state to establish "civil partnerships" without being prompted to do so by a state court decision. I truly believe that the people of the State of California will leave undisturbed that state supreme court's decision holding that the due process and equal protection guarantees of the state constitution mandate the recognition of marriage between gay people of the same sex. That will be a shattering blow to your side. If we lose, we will not lose nearly as much as you stand to lose -- Proposition 8 cannot reverse the holding by the California Supreme Court to the effect that gay persons constitute a "suspect class" for the purposes of an equal protection analysis. If we lose, we still retain all of the substantive benefits of marriage -- with more states to follow.

That is what you cannot stand. After suffering years of abuse at the hands of people like you, we are finally winning.

Get used to it -- the sooner you do, the better off you will be.

PHILIP

Truetolife (continued)...
But back to your complaint. I believe that the reason gay people tend, on average, to be more likely to be pro-choice than heterosexual people, is because gay people know the importance of personal autonomy with respect to issues involving our bodies and what we choose to do with them. I go even further -- I believe that men have no place making policy decisions pertaining to abortion -- period.

It is not just the APA that has dropped homosexuality from the list of mental disorders. Other professional bodies that set clinical policy have reached similar conclusions. The US Supreme Court itself now recognizes that the right of gay people to personal sexual autonomy is a right of a high constitutional order -- two of the US Courts of Appeals (the First and Ninth Circuits) have concluded, within a month of each other, that a form of heightened scrutiny was employed by the Court in Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558 (2003) -- based in part on the salient portions of Scalia's dissent in that case...

CONTINUED...

Truetolife (continued)...
Also more to the point -- I have no wish whatsoever to be "cured" (i.e., forced into heterosexuality). I have stated elsewhere on Townhall, and I will state it again here -- if forced to submit to a "treatment" that would make me heterosexual, I would actually choose suicide. I do not make that statement for dramatic impact or effect -- I make it because this is how I feel about myself. Any attempt to force me into heterosexuality is totally unwelcome in my life, and I am willing to stand by this assertion.

CONTINUED...

Truetolife...
Firstly, make proper usage of the Queen's English (or US standard English -- I don't care which you use, but use it correctly). Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973) was not "passed." Bills are passed into law. Acts are passed into law. US Supreme Court opinions are not "passed" -- they are handed down, or issued, and they then become controlling legal authority with respect to whatever issue was litigated by the Court.

I was 10 years old when Roe v. Wade, supra, became part of US constitutional law. Are you accusing me of being an influential advocate of the "homosexual agenda" at the tender age of 10? I repeat -- I have yet to receive my own copy of the "homosexual agenda" -- I keep hearing about it, but I have yet to see it. Can you perhaps drop one in the mail for me, or email one to me?

More to the point -- I know what I felt and what I feel. I am gay, whereas you are not. You are therefore not in a position to speak about what it means to be gay. My sexual orientation is as much a part of my psychological and personal identity as my race, my sex, or my laterality. (Interestingly, about 10% of the male population also happens to be left-handed -- I am both gay and left-handed, so I guess I have hit the jackpot in terms of a psychological double-wammy.)

CONTINUED...

Philip
Hey! Hi. I sure do remember you. I've been to your blog and see how much adulation you have from your friends. I'm sure your pride and ego are well fed.
Yes, of course it was pressure from the homosexual agenda that PC'd the APA to drop homosexuality from the abnormal behavior textbooks. Interesting that they dropped it the very same year that Roe vs. Wade was passed. It is very well known by pro life people that the homosexual agenda is completely tied in to the abortion agenda. Without that law--you wouldn't have been able to keep pushing your agenda. That is why there were always so many homosexuals at all the clinic protests.
You're completely duped. Homosexuality is not innate--is not inborn--it is a conditioned response to many sociological factors. Usually starts with unresolved GID problems. Yes, it CAN be cured--which means it is an illness. Check with COURAGE and don't remain in denial. Sorry to be so blunt--but so are you so--oh well!!!

Truetolife is at it again...
Truetolife -- I am so sick and tired of your continual prating, and your condemnation of me (you have never even met me). I am openly gay, and have just written about how the US Supreme Court and the federal courts has paved the way for greater acceptance of gay people at my blog (see http://gayequalityandthelaw.blogtownhall.com/default.aspx for the most recent entry, in which I point out the fact that so-called "strict constructionist" judges are fundamentally un-American in their attitudes towards the US Constitution).

What, exactly, is my "agenda?" I am still waiting for somebody to give me a copy of my "agenda" -- after all, I am openly gay and have been called a "gay activist" by people here at Townhall.

I do believe that "reparative therapy" is dangerous to the mental health of those individuals who embark on this futile attempt to change a part of themselves which is literally as central to their identity as their bone structure, sex, or skin color. I am not alone in this belief -- this is the official position of the American Psychiatric Association (APA). I should point out to you that the classification of homosexuality as a mental disorder was dropped by the APA back in 1973, by a UNANIMOUS vote of the nomenclature committee. The American Psychological Association followed suit in the same year. Do you seriously argue that both of these professional bodies were under the baleful influence of a "gay gestapo" all those years ago, and that the power and influence of this group has grown in strength since that decision was made so many years ago?

More likely is the possibility that your type lost its footing in the marketplace of ideas, and has been on a losing streak ever since that decision was made.


PHILIP CHANDLER

Steven
Despite your exhaustive expose on Hemingway's life, I believe that these columns speak to the decline of our culture and what factors contribute to it. The homosexual agenda is one of the factors that contributes to our disintegration of morality and the values that our country was founded upon. I don't think we can speak to this issue enough....

For what is worth
At this point I am not going to bother with
homosexuals' salvation or their rights. Will be happy to discuss that some other time.

I remember when Ernest Hemingway shot himself
back in the early '60s. There was a rumor at
the time which strongly suggested that he was gay and his abhorence/denial of it is one of the things that sent him over the brink. I don't know the truth and I didn't give it much thought at the time.

However, earlier this year I happened across
a television biography of Hemingway on DVD.
It was a two disc deal and I never did get to the 2nd disc but I did get through the coverage of much of his life and most of his wives.

My wife saidthat without a doubt, his type
of personality is also one of the types of gay
men - which doesn't mean that Hemingway was one
but it suggests it. My wife, in her
younger years, spent her time in dance and
theater and knew many many types of gay men. They are by no means all alike.

Hemingway's type is the one who desparately
wants to prove to himself and others that he is
not gay and he pursues the most manly sports and activities he can find. One of his quotes
is "I love to kill." He was in the military,
he loved bullfighting, he was a boxer and a brawler, he loved killing big
game in Africa and if he didn't get the biggest buck of the day, he would whine and have to go out again the next day until he did.
Also with women - he had many wives.
Scott Fitzgerald said to friends that he needed a new wife everytime he wrote a new
book. Everything was a conquest.

So when I read columnists (and there are at least a couple on this site) who seem to talk
about nothing but gays and guns, my mind starts
spinning with - what does this all suggest?




To truetolife
I have been asked that question a number of times.........why I haven't acted upon it. All I can say is that I remember back in 1969 on the way home from seeing the psychiatrist with my father driving the car. I vividly remember telling him that all I want to be is normal. I was truly indoctrinated about the negative image of being homosexual.

Truetolife, I may never act upon my homosexuality. I truly don't know. I am not talking about promiscuity ......... but, of love between two people, a commitment.




swampfox
Really? You don't believe that acting on your homosexual urges is a sin? That's odd--yet you've never acted on them. You must have some moral code that has stopped you. As a Christian, I am obliged to inform you that it is indeed a sin. Free will allows you to believe that or not. To accept it or not. God doesn't ask me to be successful in spreading the good news--He just asks me to be faithful.

To truetolife
The depression that I suffered in June 2006 was off the scale as far as I am concerned. I had the urge to cut myself (which I never had had before) and I lost over 20 pounds in a month. If you look up major depression, I had every single symptom listed. I couldn't even bare to turn the television on to see a smiling face. When I got to the mental health hospital, which was supposed to be filled with people who were suffering from depression..........I didn't not see any depressed people. They were smiling and talking.

Right now I am on Paxil and Wellbutrin SR. I have been taking Paxil since around 1993.

I do have to disagree with on the matter of acting on my homosexuality would be a sin. I would like to find someone who I could share the rest of my life.

swampfox
Well. I never even KNEW about that website or anything like it. Very interesting. I can see where that particular venue is more in keeping with your viewpoints.
Thanks for the discussion. You are in my thoughts and prayers and I still think that you're one in a million! I had never read your "story" before this thread. Thanks for sharing your unique life story.

To truetolife
My mistake. I have the site bookmarked. The correct address is http://www.gaypatriot.net .... not dot com.

swampfox
I'm very sorry about your friend who is paralyzed.
I actually went to the site you suggested, but there was nothing there (no blogs) just homosexual hook up sites!!!! Are you SURE that was the correct site?? It was just all sponsored links with a "search" option!!!

Truetolife
I was put on some anti-depression drug back in 1969. I can't remember what it was. I had a bad reaction to it.

I was a very good student in High School ....... but then I realized that I was REALLY gay. In my senior year two of my teachers pulled me out of class and asked me what the H was going on ............. I could not tell them. My friends were so into girls they just ignored my problems......saying that was just me.

I can't imagine what your daughter has gone through. And, I can't imagine what my childhood friend who graduated from West Point in 1973 has been going through the last ten years that he has been paralyzed from the neck down. He can't even swallow his own spit........Yes, we all have our individual problems.

I would suggest that you go to the website http://www.gaypatriot.com. This blogger views are more in line with mine.


swampfox, one more thing
it is interesting to me to read your story for another reason. I am the 6th of 7 children and my oldest brother (who died at age 57 nine years ago)fell in love in high school. He was planning on marrying this girl and she dumped him. He never found love again. Yet--he remained chaste throughout his life. Really, really difficult--he was very handsome and was always being hit on by women and teased about being "homosexual" by lots of people. But he had strong convictions and a lot of faith and resisted. We used to sit up late at night talking (before I was married)and I know he suffered too. Just like you.

swampfox (con't)
My depression is nothing compared to the 23 years of suffering our oldest daughter has endured.
I am actually HAPPY to hear of your life story. It is a story of pure strength in the face of adversity. It is bravery beyond the point that most could endure. It is inspirational. You are inspirational. You have beat all the odds. Stories like yours are pretty much extinct. The real tough ones--the ones who bore the cross. The times have certainly changed and your story might not even be given a second thought by those who ARE part of a huge homosexual agenda. They would scoff at your story. The "its all about me" and there is no such thing as "sin" people. I get the impression you are not that kind of person--because you put morality above the urges. I may be wrong--but I hope not because there are so few real heroes left.

swampfox
I will be 55 in a week so we are from exactly the same generation. I suffered my first major bout of depression when I was 21. I was placed on Tofranil and, in 6 weeks, felt great and was taken off of the drug. Eight years later I suffered another major depression and my brain chemistry would not accept Tofranil and I was then placed on Elevil and, after 6 weeks, felt great and was taken off. Twelve years later I suffered another major depression and was about 100 lbs. Got a total workup at the Marshfield Clinic and was told I had PMS!! This time my psychiatrist had new info on depression. Turns out that, if you're not on an antidepressant for at least a year with your first bout of it--you have an 85 percent chance of recurrence. I will remain on Wellbutrin for the rest of my life. I KNOW depression also (con't)

Swampfox
When I was twenty a middle-aged black man,father and husband, who worked out in the shop opened his Bible during his lunch hour and answered all my questions about God and The Messiah. I had been raised as a Catholic but had never believed nor understood what I had been taught. I was not the virgin I had once hoped to be when I got married and quite frankly was not a good girl. But, you see, I wanted to know if God really existed and if He really loved me. My heart was always broken and I was always full of shame. At some point I cried out to God to let me know if He was really there. And one day after who knows how many questions I had had answered by that poor patient man I finally realized the Truth and all I had been taught about the God and the Christ of the Bible was true. I have never turned away from belief and still continue to grow in faith and love 30 years later. But I must be honest my struggles with disobedience to God's commandments have not all been successful. But He forgives me and He loves me just the way I am and He has saved me. He didn't save me because I did good things but because I desired to know Him and I asked Him to. The point is He loves you just as much as He loves me.

To truetolife
Truetolife, "Believe it or not there are those who are living a much more difficult life on a daily basis than being attracted to the same sex."

Truetolife, there is no doubt in my mind that there are much great burdens to bear than mine. It should not be a burden to carry. Truetolife, I am fifty-seven. I carried this internally, silently, with no system of support for over 45 years.

I graduated from High School in 1969. I told my parents that I was gay back in September 1969, I was in a psychiatrist office that very day. According to the mental health professionals at that time being homosexual was a mental illiness that could and should be fixed. I bought into it. I thought it was only a matter of will-power and a phase that I was going through. I graduated from college in 1973, the same year homosexuality was removed from the DSMV. I worked, took care of my younger siblings and just remained quiet about sex and sexuality. I took the teasing about not dating and all. In 1993 I had more than a minor bout of depression and saw another psychiatrist and was placed on Paxil. It did great. In June of last year with the consent of my internist (my psychiatrist had retired) I eased myself off Paxil since I thought I was doing fine. And, the major depression hit. I was fifty-five and was just not going to take it any more. I had no real system of support for what troubled me ............. and, did not want any. What still shakes me to this day is the severity of the depression that I encountered.

Yep, I guess that I belong to the great homosexual agenda

Thanks Joseph
I am feeling fine. And, thanks for the concern for my mental health. May I return the concern for your health. Perhaps you should ask your wife or girlfriend how she likes anal and oral sex. I do hope that you have an enjoyable lovelife. Meanwhile, I will get on my life and you can get on with yours.

Swampfox
I see you post your life history regarding your so-called "gay"ness and all the drastic consequences is has visited upon you. You seem like a very troubled individual.
I personally do not believe that you choose your orientation. It appears to be a matter of your mental wiring being flawed. People are born with any number of abnormalities, both mental and physical. It is how they cope with them that defines their character. Since your particular abnormality is one of sexual attraction, let's explore some other scenarios in that arena.
Suppose you have a child in close proximity that you find yourself attracted to in an erotic way. Do you pursue it? No. There is the criminality and the overwrought (by the prohomos
) consent issue. But let's focus solely on the existence of the desire. There can be no denying that it is a warped sexual attraction. Same with being attracted to one's own gender. It is a warped attraction. There is denial here since there are far greater numbers of individuals whose wiring is warped in this direction and they have organized, hijacked the mental health professions, the political system and the media. So you have a rough path ahead of you. You somehow still retain the inherent perception that your inclinations are warped yet there is no real help to be found in dealing with it. Your best bet is probably to absorb the homosexual propaganda and stop resisting. Taking it in the A is not a sick practice. It is a beautiful expression of love.Isn't that the way the story goes?

Swampfox
Believe it or not there are those who are living a much more difficult life on a daily basis than being attracted to the same sex. You wouldn't WANT to change crosses with what many people bear.
You are part of a very sinister "larger picture." The homosexual agenda. Do some research--realize, if you can get outside of your own head, just what that agenda is tied into and what kind of slippery slope we are on and what this kind of "accepted mental illness" is doing to our country and to our children.

To truetolife
I would suggest some deep reflection on what you think about those who are gay and lesbian. Neither gays or lesbians are all consumed by their sexualitiy, for once I would hope that you could try to walk in the shoes of another. To see the difficulty that I see every day.

swampfox
You just don't understand. I never have placed myself on a pedestal. It is only the homosexual agenda that feels it should be placed on a pedestal for all to worship and bow down to. Sorry, I already have a God and it isn't "sex."

To truetolife
Truetolife writes, "I believe you do not even know an "in your face" when you see one. Lighten up! Life's too short to be sullen and clueless." ............an in your face? I think you have fallen from your pedestal.