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Monday, April 14, 2008
Mike Adams :: Townhall.com Columnist
"Catholic" University Helps Deny Genocide
by Mike Adams
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Last week, during a speech at UNC-Chapel Hill, I asked students to invite Star Parker to their campus in 2009. I specifically asked them to invite her to speak during Black History Month, which was previously known as “February.” I recommended that they ask her to address the issue of racism and abortion.

Not many students know that 512 of every 1000 black pregnancies end in abortion. Nor do many know that 37% of all aborted babies are black. This is despite the fact that blacks comprise only 12% of the population. That’s why I also told UNC-CH students to sponsor a “genocide awareness day” during Women’s History Month, which was previously known as “March.”

The idea behind “genocide awareness day” is to place 51 crosses in front of a university Women’s Resource Center. Beforehand, pro-life students paint 32 of the crosses white and 19 black. This is to illustrate that black babies are aborted disproportionately. When students stop to ask about the black crosses they can be told the truth; namely, that feminists are finally realizing the racist dreams of Margaret Sanger.

Remember that liberals claim the disproportionate incarceration of blacks is “institutional” racism, even if it is not intentional. By the same logic, the disproportionate abortion of blacks is “institutional” racism, regardless of the intentions of pro-choicers.

A recent decision by the University of St. Thomas (UST) to deny a voice to a black pro-life speaker – one unafraid to voice concerns over the black genocide – could also be characterized as institutional racism. It doesn’t matter whether the “Catholic” university intended to suppress speech opposing a practice that is disproportionately killing blacks. If an institution in any way perpetuates a practice that adversely affects any minority then it is racist. University leftists made up the rule, and now they have to play by it.

UST Vice President of Student Affairs Jane Canney (jwcanney@stthomas.edu) is the one who recently nixed an idea for an April 21st speech by Star Parker. This was done because she was “uncomfortable” with the fact that the speech was sponsored by the Young America’s Foundation (YAF). Note that the “Catholic” university was “comfortable” hosting a speech last year by pro-abortion candidate Al Franken.

The “Catholic” university was also comfortable hosting a speech by Debra Davis, an outspoken transgendered “woman.” I’m not sure how “she” feels about abortion. I don’t know whether Davis is “woman” enough to get pregnant.

(Disclaimer: The author of this column is a speaker for the Young America’s Foundation. He also contemplated a sex change to help him get a promotion to full professor).

A committee on which Jane Canney (jwcanney@stthomas.edu) serves denied the Students for Human Life a room on campus for Star Parker's YAF-sponsored lecture. It is said that Canney's (jwcanney@stthomas.edu ) hostility toward YAF began two years ago after an Ann Coulter speech at UST. The speech was attended by nearly 800 students. But Canney (jwcanney@stthomas.edu) claimed she felt "uncomfortable" while listening to Coulter. It is unclear whether the discomfort was caused by Coulter’s opposition to abortion or her opposition to Al Franken.

YAF spokesman Jason Mattera correctly stated that it was “unbecoming” of a college administrator to negate speech intended for many by her own personal discomfort. I plan to write Canney (jwcanney@stthomas.edu) to express my agreement with Mattera, a fellow white survivor of Roe v. Wade.

But Jane Canney (jwcanney@stthomas.edu) is not the only one hurting the intellectual climate at UST by allowing feelings to interfere with the free exchange of ideas. Three years ago, UST president, Father Dennis Dease (djdease@stthomas.edu), accused Ann Coulter of "vulgarizing" the campus. Interestingly, there really was vulgar language uttered at the Coulter speech. But it was directed at her by campus leftists.

Sadly, if Star Parker wants to come speak at UST she’ll have to run for the U.S. Senate as a Democrat or have a sex change. Meanwhile, most black babies are aborted and most Catholic students remain “comfortable.”

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This is racism at its finest
Margaret Sanger advocated abortion as a means of keeping the black population down, if not eradicating it altogether.

It's really sad that the black population hasn't caught on in sufficient numbers to deny Sanger and her acolytes their racist goals.

Where is Wobbie?
Hah! Looks like Wobbie has been caught sleeping at the wheel, and lost his chance to be first to post.

Too bad, Wobbie. You won't be able to start this thread with you inane and ridiculous rants.

Finally!
I was a good girl ... I finally made myself send off emails due to Mikes ever so subltle suggestions :)

Will

Is it a full moon? Will, you are turning into a raving lunatic.

Catholics should stop supporting ....
and donating to such CINO (Catholic In Name Only) universities. Catholic priests should advise students to avoid them, and bishops should declare that these are not genuine Catholic institutions.

Thank You Mike Adams
It seems so many "catholic" universities, sadly including my alma mater, Notre Dame, are going down the same road as the Universtiy of St. Thomas, all pursuing the false god of "academic freedom" and "tolerance."

As a Catholic and a graduate of the University of Notre Dame way back when there was no need to put Catholic in quotation marks in describing it, I say to you Mike Adams, thank you and God bless you.

Will
If you get really get "so tired by the webs & tangles you religious people weave to justify your magic," then why do you continue to read articles that are written from a christian standpoint?

I do not care at all for the viewpoint of liberal moonbats, hence I do not go to sites such as The Daily Kos or the Huffington Post.
I would not subject myself to torment like that.

Why don't you practice what you preach and stay the hell away?

There are drugs for what ails you, Will. I would suggest that you see a psychiatrist and get him to prescribe you some.

Friar
Friar: "If you get really get "so tired by the webs & tangles you religious people weave to justify your magic," then why do you continue to read articles that are written from a christian standpoint?"

Kind of obvious isnt it? There is another moonbat called Gestell who suffers from the same disease as our friend Will....

When Adams talks about abortion
I NEVER quibble! Jono64a, I couldnt agree more.

Can't Have It Both Ways
Thanks, Mike, for showing the left that if they're going to make rules, they'll have to live by them ,too. It's just no fair that the left screams, "No fair!," when their own rules are applied to themselves.

Will, take a note for the G-d question: G-d makes rules that everyone can live by. Unlike the left, if we all live by G-d's rules, we have a caring and prosperous society. To find out more about G-d's rules, look them up in the rulebook, aka the bible.

Here's another note on G-d: He isn't a genie or magician that says, "Yes," to all requests. We can ask for whirled peas, but if we don't make peace with our neighbor then we're already creating a stumbling block for that request, n'est pas vrais?


Is higher education still relevant?

The "Catholic" universities were established, in part, to provide education to those who held Catholic values.

Today, they don't.

They were established to help young people get a foot up in life and to teach things that will help kids get jobs.

Today, they don't.

There are more seats in corporate college-type classes than in colleges, and the trend isn't going to stop. Will the last person out of the Ivory Tower please remember to turn off the light?

St. Thomas isn't the Catholic University
The headline is misleading. It is too easy to confuse the two from it. Cathloic University of America is usually called Catholic University. UST should be called that in the headline.

Maybe Blacks ARE speaking up
against abortion - we just can't HEAR them because there aren't enough Blacks any more! They are losing out to Hispanic thanks to illegal invasions and THEIR soaring birthrate - versus Blacks and their dismal birthrate.

Too shrill.
I can't help but read anti-Catholic bigotry in this. It's quite a stretch from Anne Coulter making some second-rate college administrator 'uncomfortable' to the headline here, 'Catholic University Helps Deny Genocide.' Your rather-loopy connecting of dots is shoddy & disturbing.
The Catholic catechism is pretty clear on both abortion & genocide. That said, how would you have the St Thomas campus run? Like Bob Jones University? Or like the Fundamentalist LDS compound in Texas? Or maybe you would prefer it close down entirely? Let's see...
You're a 'criminology professor' who goes about lecturing on college campuses about religious issues? What would Sherlock Holmes make of that?
One thing I am sure of: He would find your deductive reasoning both biased & silly.

Hilarious (if you're not paying tuition)
The absurdity and hypocrisy of the PC crowd at institutes of "higher" learning is a real riot. I feel sorry for anyone who is foolish enough to place any premium on the opinions of such narrow minded nimrods.

Do they even realize what rigorous analysis and critical thinking entails?

Instead of heavy-handed censorship, why don't they encourage dissension and honest open debate? I can only infer that their arguments just don't hold water.

Curtal Friar
Liberals can't stand it when a conservative voices his or her opinion.

When it comes to Adams, however, they really go off the rails. Can you imagine it? A conservsative professor!!!!! Adams actually has the unmitigated gaul to speak his mind about the murder of babies, the endless political correctness rampant at our colleges and universities and about what it's like to be student of faith at many of these schools.

Also, just think of the treatment a conservative student would receive if he or she expressed support for our fighting men and women. They'd ban the person from campus in a N.Y. minute!

Awww yes. The many marvelous institutions of higher learning right here in the USA. Those halls of tolerance and diversity. Places that are so open to other ideas and thoughts. I ask you, Curtal Friar. Doesn't it make you proud to be an American?

Proud to be an American
T.C. writes:

****I ask you Curtal Friar. Doesn't it make you proud to be an american?****

Absolutely, T.C.

There are problems in our country, to be sure. Our colleges and universities are institutions where the students get indoctrinated into the "correct" way of thought, by liberal loons.

Because of Roe vs. Wade, more than a million babies, potential citizens all, have been murdered for the sake of conveninece.

In spite of all that, I am still d**n proud of America. We saved Europe from Tyrants, twice. For all our social problems, this is still the best da*n place in the world to live. We Americans care about other people, hence the outpouring of private donations of time and money to help people after the Tsuunami a couple of years ago.

Proud to be an American part 2
In answer to anyone who would question my patriotism and pride in my country, I have only a few words to say:

I pledge allegiance, to the flag
Of the Unitesd States of America
And to the Republic, for which it stands:
One Nation,
Under God,
Indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.

Those words caused my heart to swell when I was a child, reciting them in class with my hand over my heart at the beginning of the day.

I feel no less now.

Sure, there are battles to be fought against the loony forces of liberalism that are slowly trying to destroy our country, but it is because of my pride in and my love for my country that I will stand and give it my best.

Wondering
Some time in the mid 1970's I determined that the words "Roman Catholic" and "Christian" are antonyms.

The item that Dr. Adams brings up in this article is only one of the myriads of "items" that the "Church of Rome" has made a part of their religion. (None of which have any roots in scripture)


Dean

Rural Ruminations of a Rabbi
Here in the center of these United States of America where common compassionate sense is not a slogan on a bumper sticker, but practiced with calloused hands, caring hearts and contemplative heads we simply admire Americans who have not forgotten GOD, country and family. We do not shrink from the culture clash in fly-over heartland America. You have my deep appreciation - all you word warriors - who recognize that words and ideas matter and have moral consequences for my children, ten grandchildren and one great grandson. Thank you. You are warmly welcomed to flow with RIVER RISING REVIEW - The Venue for Vision and Values in Our Communities, a weekly online magazine hosting Four Friendly Forums For you at EUKEL dot US. ... rural ruminations of a rabbi ...

Proud to be an American part 3
You know, forty years ago the forces of liberalism fought their "revolution" against the powers that be in an attempt to remake America in their image.

They succeeded in many ways, and wrought profound effects in America.

But that time is past. The summer of love is over. The former "revolutionaries" are not the entrenched powers that be in our nation, and their chickens are coming home to roost.

There's a new power rising in our nation, and it is one that wants to reclaim America from the loonies, and restore the greatness we once had.

Liberals, you do have reason to fear for your cause, for we are on the march. We are hungry and we are coming. We are all around you in fact, and the tide is beginning to sway in our favor. It's our revolution now, suckers!

Why is it...
... that Universities that are run, ostensibly, by the Catholic Church still have to have idiot leftist administrators who clearly don't know anything about Catholic doctrine.

correction to my 8:14 post
The fifth sentence should read

"The former "revolutionaries" are NOW the entrenched powers that be in our nation,"

Sincere apology
Will,
Please, please accept my sincerest apologies for serving a God that would allow you to be abused by a fammily member, friend, acquaintence, or stranger. I am so sorry that I cannot even begin to answer why it happened to you or anyone else for that matter. I could no sooner answer that than to answer why some are born blind, deaf, or crippled. Many innocents are taken away so young and yet many who perpetrate hate prosper and survive. What I can say in faith is that God has a reason and purpose for everything. My God was on the airplane as well as in the twin towers when the two met and was with you when you were violated. God loves you and knows you well enough to know how many hairs you have on your head. Please do no blame HIM for what happened to you. Blame the sinner who perpetrated this sin against you. One day you will come to realize that he too had been violated and then, hopefully, you can forgive yourself and him for what happened.
Please let the hurt and the hate go. God is still there, closer than you think, and He is a just God.

A sad day for "Will"
Today is not going well for "will".

He was not the first to post on this Mike Adams column - only 5th place for him. A truly shocking result.

And Mike didn't mention homosexuality, other than discussing sex change operations, so "will" had to stretch to discuss it through projection.

Predictably, "will" didn't seem to find the time to address the obvious attempts at censorship being conducted by the university - which was the main theme of the column.

Poor "will", he's having a sad/bad day.

Primus and Happy Jake
A hearty good morning to you both!

Show the kids an abortion.
Shortly after Roe vs. Wade the Catholic High School I attended showed us a documentary on abortion. I saw an aborted baby. This was a tough lesson for a 16 year old. But years later when my first pregnancy came at a very inconvenient time I was pressured to have an abortion by loved ones. I remembered what I had seen in that film and I knew abortion was murder. I was not a murderer. My son is wonderful. WHat has changed in the Catholic Church? If these universities claim to be Catholic then maybe the Pope needs to take action. THere is no place for PC in the church or university. We were also shown actual footage from the Holocaust and car accidents .

Curtal Friar
good morning sir!

You better get your Flack-Jacket on. You actually had the nerve to say "Under God" in your post. Watch your back, they will cringe at that!

Will, are you truly...
...sad, bitter, and angry, or are you simply fishing for entertaining right-leaning posters that will chomp on your bait? I hope it's the latter - really - because here's what God's Word has to say about most of what you write and what you incite others (and seemingly even some purported God-followers) to write:

Romans 1:28-29 (CEV) "Since these people refused even to think about God, he let their useless minds rule over them. That's why they do all sorts of indecent things. They are evil, wicked, and greedy, as well as mean in every possible way."

Since every text without its context can become a pretext, I urge all to read and think on all of Romans 1 before launching salvos in response. Perhaps a first reponse could be confession and repentance.

Typical
Typical column from Mikey. However, I have two questions:

Exactly where does Mikey get these numbers from? The only reference I can find about 512 babies is from an article published 5 years ago in "Christianity Today". I actually states 36%, not 37%. I'm just curious as too the source.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2003/february/11.21.htm l

Secondly, how does a African American woman choosing to get rid of a fetus (not a life) qualify as genocide? So African American women (who historically never really had control of their body persay) are the main culprits in an deliberate and systematic extermination of themselves????


Will
Believe me Will, the facts you bring up about God's reputed sovreignty and His instructions for man to pray leaves Christians without a lot of answers too. I read an example by CS Lewis last night.
"In Hamlet a branch breaks and Ophelia is drowned. Did she die because the branch broke or because Shakespeare wanted her to die at that point in the play? Either- both - whichever you please. The alternative suggested by the question is not a real alternative at all - once you have grasped tha Shakespeare is make the whole play."
All We know from scripture is God is in control; God tells us we are to pray; also, that we have not because we ask not; and those that walked with him and knew him the best prayed. God also went out of his way to show us many answers to prayer in the Old Testament. Paul, who spent time with him in the desert, encouraged us to pray always. That's where faith comes in ... we pray in obedience, not because we understand the dynamic of God answering prayer.

UNC-Chapel Hill
Sounds like this is one of those institutions the Pope wants to prune. Here is one Catholic hoping the "Hammer" takes care of it during his visit this week.

Will
How can you rant about how wrong Christians are, when you have no standard of right and wrong? You can't say anyone is wrong because it is just your opinion. Without an absolute standard of truth all you have are your ideas vs our ideas. My "opinion" is that you are 100% wrong. So how can you say I'm wrong to have that opinion? What is your basis of truth? What society has come up with? Society is not the final arbiter, as we know with Nazis and Communists (at least I don't THINK you'd say Nazis and Communists were right to murder millions of people, but then again, it was THEIR opinion that they were right).

I can't understand why you continue to read Mike's columns when you hate them so much!!?! If I don't like what I'm reading, I don't bother with it any longer. I guess your nonsense of right and wrong has warped the rest of your thinking processes.

Now, pb, it isn't anti-Catholic bigotry to point out that it is a Catholic university. The fact that it is a RCC institution and yet does not follow RCC teachings IS THE POINT!

SSGT
Good morning to you!

Thanks for your concern, but I am fully loaded with some "full metal jacket" slams ready to post to these liberal loons.

That's right, libs, hunting season is open and we have our permits!

Happy hunting to all!

glome
Excellent. Faith and obedience are always linked. Genesis 15:6 NASB - "Then [Abraham] believed in the Lord; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness."

my 2 cents
It is interesting to see what happens when the Pope (ANY Pope) comes to town. The comments from people are interesting. Some pph, some silly, some completely idiotic, some ok.

If I had kids I would NOT send them to Notre Dame to receive a Catholic education. ND is CINO. That having been said I hope the football team kix some butt this fall, especially SC.

Sometimes God's rules are tough to live by but that doesn't mean we aren't supposed to obey them.

I find it kind of cool that the Pope is the only religious leader in the world who can command the audience he commands. We Catholics are going through some tough times but we'll be ok. For every pedophile priest there are hundreds of quiet God-fearing men who spend their lives in anonymity taking care of God's flock.

Recommended flick - 'The Third Miracle'

All you cheap-shot artists and one-issue-taken -completely-out-of-context specialists - have a good day and I will say some prayers for you.

All you who have left the church for whatever reason - I too was gone for 12 years until I came back. You're always welcome back, but remember - YOU don't make the rules.

I am told the Pope will be meeting with leaders of Catholic Colleges who are, well, straying. Good.

I know the Church has made some major screwups but we only human. The God we worship is Divine, no matter what the Davinci people may claim.

Curtal Friar
Just a quick fact regarding the Pledge.

The correct way of reciting it is saying "One nation under God, as a complete phrase without a pause between "nation" and "under".

Kids are taught this wrong in school. Boys that join Boy Scouts are often taught how to recite it correctly but then continue on to say it the incorrect way simply because thats the way everybody else recites it.

Not picking on you directly here but I saw an opportunity to pass a little bit of knowledge on regarding the pledge is all.

Also, whenever I pass this knowledge along to others, I get funny responses because they either don't care or say I am being petty about it. What difference does it make after all?...they tell me. I say if you are going to recite it, do it correctly. IMO- adding the pause weakens the phrase somewhat. Putting the pause in there makes it seem as if God is on equal footing with indivisible, liberty, and justice however God should be esteemed above these other items in the pledge. Saying it without the pause directly links God to nation and esteems it above the others.


Curtal Friar
writes:
"That's right, libs, hunting season is open and we have our permits!

Happy hunting to all!"

Yeah, I have all my permits listed in alphabetical order starting with:

1. Abortion


All the way to:

1000. Xenophobia

Happy Hunting!

Buck writes
You are absolutely correct in your assertion. I am anti-catholic...As the "Church of Rome" is Anti-Christ. The word “catholic” simply means universal. As to the Church of Rome (Roman Catholic) quote to me one tenant of it (their doctrines) that pertains to scripture. And remember even the Mormons (another anti-Christ movement) “claims” Jesus. The Romans have so perverted the preaching of the gospel that what they espouse and what the apostles proclaimed (The Truth Pertaining to Jesus Christ) have no similarity whatsoever.
So while you smoke on that one…

"University" or "Narrow Minded Oddity"?
I attended Ann Coulter's address to St. Thomas. She was mindly controversial in some of her comments. Any administration that would censor and ban free speech by an entire segment of our political landscape is unworthy of ruling a college campus. In my day, it was the liberals who were banned from speaking. They had to speak outside with a megaphone. Looks like it's time to bring megaphones to the "University" of St. Thomas.

cc: jwcanney@stthomas.edu and djdease@stthomas.edu.

dean0
Whoa!!! I'm not even going there. Are you John Hagee???

Ralph Ellison writes:
NO I am not.

Where have you been?

Son of a gun....
Our oldest daughter won a full ride to UST-Houston and graduated with top honors in 2000. She was also head of the campus pro life movement and worked at several off campus pro-life sites. Thanks Mike! I will not only be writing--I'll be busy making several calls today.

will
you might want to read The Devil's Delusion--looks like its readily available on townhall today. Or else, could you please educate yourself in some way???

dean0
Just since a bit of anti-Catholic animus from ya. I've seen it all my life, I once belonged to an evangelical church which once called the Pope "Satan's Brother". I left that church many years ago.

Loopy Is, Loppy Does
pb writes:
Too shrill.
I can't help but read anti-Catholic bigotry in this. It's quite a stretch from Anne Coulter making some second-rate college administrator 'uncomfortable' to the headline here, 'Catholic University Helps Deny Genocide.' Your rather-loopy connecting of dots is shoddy & disturbing.

The Catholic catechism is pretty clear on both abortion & genocide. That said, how would you have the St Thomas campus run? Like Bob Jones University? Or like the Fundamentalist LDS compound in Texas?....

As a convert to the Catholic faith, I don’t find any anti-Catholic bigotry in these posts other than the pathetic Will who seems to be anti-anything. Your right about the Catholic catechism’s teaching about abortion and genocide so why would STU be uncomfortable with presenting the catechism’s point of view on both subjects. It would seem that STU is being run like Bob Jones University and the Fundamentalist LDS compound in Texas from the other end of the far-left spectrum.

Ralph Ellison writes:
Might I suggest then, that you open the book! There is a treasure there waiting for you.

NO offence to anyone. But the scripture is really really clear to anyone who seeks truth.

dean0

UST - Minnesota
Whew! I'm glad that I checked that this was NOT UST-Houston where our oldest daughter graduated. There are several (2 or 3, I believe) UST campuses around the country.

pb
You really have to look hard to find a anti-Catholic message in this. I think you're taking things a bit too personally. This is an anti-Ms. Canney article, plain and simple. She's violating their own speech policy and deciding what her students will hear.

ELLISON

.....You wrote:

....."Secondly, how does a African American woman choosing to get rid of a fetus (not a life) qualify as genocide" ...

.....Two Points:

...1. Fetus is medical term for a baby in the womb. It in no way implies that a fetus is not a baby...

...2. Are you trying to say that a fetus is not a life? ...that it is not alive? ...

.....This is a stretch even for you Ralph ...you are being intellectually dishonest to support your bias ...but then again this is nothing new from you .....COLOSSUS

Postscript: Calling someone an American implies citizenship ...do African Americans have dual citizenships? ...if not then how can they be Africans? ...

Just for the record
The Catholic Church IS the one, holy, catholic, apostolic church. It is the church instituted by Christ and HE instituted the seven sacraments. St. Peter is the ROCK on which the Catholic Church was built. If you don't understand this--you can! That is the good news of Jesus--you too can be part of the church that Jesus established on Earth. All are welcome and many have answered that call--it is written deep within the heart of everyone.

dean0 writes:
As to the Church of Rome (Roman Catholic) quote to me one tenant of it (their doctrines) that pertains to scripture.

Read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It is full of scriptural references. Matter of fact all the doctrines outlined in the CCC are based on scriptural references. May not fit you interpretation of that particular scripture but it is there.

RE: Ralph Ellison
"Secondly, how does a African American woman choosing to get rid of a fetus (not a life) qualify as genocide"

Um, I'm sorry to be the one to have to point out this INCONTRAVERTABLE FACT, but a fetus is, IN FACT, a unique and indivitual human life. No geneticist nor biologist, regardless of their stance on abortion, could honestly claim any different.

And on another point, here's an interesting fact that kooky commies desperately try to hide:

In the 1960s, prior to the Roe v Wade perversion of the US Constitution, less than 6% of babies were born to women who were unmarried.

In 2005, after over 50 million babies were assassinated by kooky commies, over 36% of babies were born to unmarried women.

Please keep in mind that the #1 characteristic -- one might say "cause" -- of those living below the poverty line in the United States is single parenthood (to be exact, according to Census data, 75% of single mothers live below the poverty line). So much for abortion "helping the poor".

Roman Catholicism
truetolife writes: "Just for the record
The Catholic Church IS the one, holy, catholic, apostolic church. It is the church instituted by Christ and HE instituted the seven sacraments. St. Peter is the ROCK on which the Catholic Church was built."

Well, I hate to bust your bubble, but this is 100% false. Try reading history rather than Romanist propaganda. If you really want to see the difference between Biblical Christianity and Romanism (or dare I say, Papism), then a good primer would be James McCarthy's "The Gospel According to Rome." Peter was not the rock, rather his confession was the rock. Jesus is the Rock, the Chief Cornerstone.

Danno58, I have studied the Catechism, The Canons and Decress of the Council of Trent, Ludwig Ott's "Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma," and many Papal enclyclicals, let alone the history of the Roman Church. I can assure you, that using Bible passages in a book does not make that book Biblical. If it did, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Scientists, and every other cult would be biblical.

Baffled.
Mike Adams writes an article about a college banning a speaker who tells the truth about racist genocide occurring right here and now in the US and the focus of the majority of the comments is bashing Roman Catholics.

The behavior of people with an irrational antipathy towards Dr. Adams baffles the reasoning mind.

Will
Does anyone read this fool? I just skip him, just like I don't read DailyKOS or other neomarxist claptrap.

Christians, please listen
I truly believe God is knocking at Will's heartstrings and while Will may be running away, he is still searching at the same time.
Will is angry and rightfully so and is striking out against those whom he perceives to follow Him who allowed the abuse to happen.
Please remember to hate the sin but love the sinner. God has a purpose for Will that may result in many people being led to the Lord or something as simple as being a testimony of God's grace and forgiveness.
In life it is not what happens to you that matters as much as it is how you allow that event to shape you on the inside and out.

pb
"You're a 'criminology professor' who goes about lecturing on college campuses about religious issues? What would Sherlock Holmes make of that?
One thing I am sure of: He would find your deductive reasoning both biased & silly."

I hate to have to be the one to break it to you but, Sherlock Holmes is a fictional character, not a real person that would be capable of having an opinion about what Mike Adams does one way or the other.

We all know
that most "Catholic" universities are not Catholic, any longer and as for almost all universities of today, they follow the marching orders of the eugenic elite. The same elite, that rule our country, the UN and the world.

Even the republican party is ripe, with the eugenics crowd. If it were not so, then abortion would have been stopped decades ago. We held all three branches and did nothing, nothing at all. Then as usual, it was blame it on the democrats, when infact we kept the staus quo, just like we are doing today.

So, blame away, as to why things are the way they are, but we should be looking closer to home, for we have traitors in our midst and we keep voting them into office. Just like people are voting for John McCain. Is it poetic justice? I don't know. But in the end, people get just what they asked for and the favor is usualy returned tenfold, as is in the example of electing Geaorge Bush and we, the Americans have instituted genocide in the middle east. If you think killing 1,100,000 Iraqis is not genocide, then I don't know what is. But do have to say, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it is most likely a duck.

I think Adam did not go far enough.


Not institutional racism
"...liberals claim the disproportionate incarceration of blacks is 'institutional' racism, even if it is not intentional. By the same logic, the disproportionate abortion of blacks is 'institutional' racism, regardless of the intentions of pro-choicers."

This assumes that abortion, like incarceration, is undesirable, which is not the case. According to pro-choicers, the purpose of an abortion is to give the mother what she wants, whereas incarceration is to give the incarcerated what he doesn’t want.

SSG, Curtal Friar, et al....
To paraphrase something that came around a while back:

The way to win the war against liberals is to recruit a redneck army. Tell them that liberals taste just like chicken, and there is no closed season or bag limit.

lol

Where are the yellow and brown crosses?
If we're going to be multiculturally sensitive, let's go all the way, Professor Adams.

Thanks for that info, Glenn
I never "knew" that Jesus was a liar until you wrote that to keep your membership in the Know Nothings valid.

God-mocker Will's complaint
Will is angry at God for not preventing the evils of history. Oh-kay...suppose that God were to say to Will, "You want evil to be pre-emptively prevented before it can even get started? There's a way I can do that: by totally eliminating free will from human beings, turning them into mindless robots whose existence is a meaningless joke. Since your name ironically is Will, shall I begin by doing that to you? By making you a machine instead of a person?" Will would be quick to say "No, thanks!" Yet he still wants God to do this to OTHER people?

On the explicit question of Catholicism, I am a moderate. I do NOT believe that the Church of Rome is "the Anti-Christ," nor do I believe that being a Catholic equals being a lost soul; but some of the Roman church's claims are very poorly substantiated. For instance, if you know the actual language the Gospels were written in, the words of Jesus when renaming Simon take on a very different meaning from what the Vatican wants us to think they mean. What Jesus actually said to Simon Peter was, "You are A PIECE OF rock ("Petros"), and upon THE SUBSTANCE of rock ("Petra") I will build My church..." Peter was thus ONE of the foundation stones resting upon the chief cornerstone that is Jesus Himself, but Peter was not the ONLY one.

My Letter To J W Canney
Dear Ms. Canney,
I believe that as a former fetus, you should change your mind, now that you have a voice, and allow Star Parker to speak on your campus.
As de facto adults, your collegians have enough intellectual independence to decide for themselves what to think based on what they hear. They don't need prior censorship getting in their way.
After all they were admitted to your fine institution of higher learning because of their high intelligence.

Sincerely,
Lynn Bradley
Former fetus.

Bigots should be banned.
Sad, but this place is becoming like "Hot Air". The lefty stereotype of the bigoted conservative is again and again strengthened when the Know Nothings hijack yet another thread to spread their fertilizer.

The reputation of Town Hall is at stake. Get these KKK clowns off the board.

no such thing as a "moderate" bigot
That is all.

thanks Clay!
I've never given a speech on religion either. The argument with the fictional character would surround a fictional issue.

Leftists live in a make-believe world. That is why "Sugar Mountain" was my most important column.



Gerster
I would appreciate it if you'd enlighten me as to where I said that Jesus was a liar. Jesus never said Peter was a rock on which He'd build His church - that is a Romanist interpretation. Peter made a confession about Christ, and Jesus stated that Peter's confession was the Rock on which the church would be built. Your personal attack on me does not alter the truth of my statement.

Mother of 4, it is not "Bashing" a religious belief when someone points out their error. Jesus and the apostles told us many times to expose false teachings for what they are so as to warn people away from false teachers. However, the string devoled into a discussion of Romanism because accusations were made that Mike was anti-Catholic by raising the problems of a supposedly Catholic school that wasn't following Catholic teachings.

I would not say Catholics aren't Christians because there are many Christians in the Roman church in spite of Roman teachings, just as there are probably more non-Christians than true Christians in every church. But Rome's legalistic doctrine enslaves its members who have no idea what a relationship with Christ truly is.


Typically absent
"Ralph Ellison writes: Monday, April, 14, 2008 8:44 AM
Typical
Typical column from Mikey. However, I have two questions:

Exactly where does Mikey get these numbers from? The only reference I can find about 512 babies is from an article published 5 years ago in "Christianity Today". I actually states 36%, not 37%. I'm just curious as too the source.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2003/february/11.21.htm l

Secondly, how does a African American woman choosing to get rid of a fetus (not a life) qualify as genocide? So African American women (who historically never really had control of their body persay) are the main culprits in an deliberate and systematic extermination of themselves????"
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Purporting to be an Black American while denying the literal genocide that is being conducted on our children further labels you as ignorant or a coward, Ralph. Much like an invisible narrator found, it is impossible to explore your perception of being Black when the Black children are all murdered. It took all of two seconds to find this web site in just about any search on Black genocide (pops up first consistently):

http://www.blackgenocide.org

I suggest it for in-depth reference addendums to your sparse library on the issue.

Will
How do you determine that evil exists? What is your moral standard for evil? How can you say there is such a thing as evil when it's just your opinion vs mine?

genocide

Mr. Adams;
Would you prefer it to be the other way around?



" Meanwhile, most black babies are aborted and most Catholic students remain comfortable"



Glenn Chatfield
"Glenn Chatfield"
"I would appreciate it if you'd enlighten me as to where I said that Jesus was a liar. Jesus never said Peter was a rock on which He'd build His church - that is a Romanist interpretation."

Ok, your a liar, by your own statement. Romanist interpretation, Ha ha ha ha ha! You don't have a clue! Ha ha ha ah ha ha ha!

Glenn Chatfield:
James McCarthy's "The Gospel According to Rome.” Peter was not the rock; rather his confession was the rock. Jesus is the Rock, the Chief Cornerstone.

The following is from http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a64.htm, which is a Refutation of James McCarthy's "The Gospel According to Rome."
Craig Blomberg (Protestant Evangelical) --
"Acknowledging Jesus as The Christ illustrates the appropriateness of Simon's nickname 'Peter' (Petros=rock). This is not the first time Simon has been called Peter (cf. John 1:42 [wherein he is called Cephas]), but it is certainly the most famous. Jesus' declaration, 'You are Peter,' parallels Peter's confession, 'You are the Christ,' as if to say, 'Since you can tell me who I am, I will tell you who you are.' The expression 'this rock' almost certainly refers to Peter, following immediately after his name, just as the words following 'the Christ' in v. 16 applied to Jesus. The play on words in the Greek between Peter's name (Petros) and the word 'rock' (petra) makes sense only if Peter is the rock and if Jesus is about to explain the significance of this identification." (Blomberg, The New American Commentary: Matthew [Broadman, 1992], page 251-252, as cited in Butler/Dahlgren/Hess, page 31-32)
I am a convert to the Catholic faith from a Baptist up bringing. The two things that have always bothered me about the Baptist faith are the lack of a hierarchy within the denomination(s) and the doctrine of “once saved, always saved.” The Catechism of the Catholic Church establishes a hierarchy so if Bob doesn’t like what the priest is teaching, Bob cannot go down the road and start the “Church of Bob.” Your references to the Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Scientists, every other cult, and some Protestant Denominations using Bible passages in a book makes the point that these Bob(s) started there own Churches of Bobs to justify their Biblical views.

judgedredd1
And just what statement did I make that makes me a liar? Read the Bible passage for yourself - in context: Matt. 16:18. Romanists also make an issue of Jesus saying He will give Peter the keys of heaven in this passage, but in Matt. 18:18 He gives the keys to ALL of the apostles.

You say I don't have a clue, but I challenge you to do a wee bit of Bible study compared to Romanist teachings. You may not agree with what I say, but that doesn't make me a liar. Are you capable of rational discourse without name-calling?

Well, I am done for the day because I must get off to work.

Danno58
Before I go, I must say that you never, ever, rely on one commentary. But if you want to believe Peter is the foundation of the Church rather than Christ, more power to you. But don't stop at just that one issue. Get the book I mentioned and try to refute all of the teaching there.

Nevertheless, Rome is not the true Church of Christ. The history of Romanism proves that. As with the cults, it's always the Bible plus something else.

Gotta go or I will be late for work.

Will:
Now I know why the last command given to a rifle squad before a battle is "Fire At Will"

Gerster
Sad, but this place is becoming like "Hot Air". The lefty stereotype of the bigoted conservative is again and again strengthened when the Know Nothings hijack yet another thread to spread their fertilizer. "

_______________________________
As a "lefty" I have to totally agree with you. The really negative thing about hot air is that it's essentially boring.

I hit on this thread by mistake this morning, I never read Adam's stuff (life is too short) but reading up the posts, until I got to yours, exactly described the way I saw it.

Is there another, parallel TH where smart people who like to actually talk about ideas and don't get off on blaming liberals for all their personal tragedies somewhere? Is there another conservative blog that isn't first and foremost ABOUT liberals?

I've said it before; conservatives only talk about liberals; liberals also mainly talk about liberals. So whose ideas are more interesting?

Gerster
Here's a comment I copied yesterday from a TH thread that seems fairly typical, so I thought I'd use it in an article I'm writing:

"You forget, Doug, that a majority of blacks are supportive of those who participate in demonstrations to support their feral children and those who get caught savaging others. They lionize their most vicious criminals..." etc.

Need I (or you, for that matter) say more?

Glenn Chatfield
A. The baffling part is that the column has nothing to do with Roman Catholicism. So why make that the main topic of the responses.

B. The action of that left-liberal fool who refused to permit truth onto campus is acting AGAINST Roman Catholic teaching in the first place.

As I said in my response to one of the other columns today, I'm not Catholic but I'm completely mystified by the unwillingness of the Roman Catholic church's authorities to insist that all who represent them in their church institutions profess Roman Catholic beliefs and act in accordance with Roman Catholic teachings.

On the actual topic, ...

Why is it a national outrage for some radio dipstick to use a racial epithet yet when a generation of black children are being systematically obliterated the facts are being carefully swept under the rug?

Glenn Chatfield
As you relied on one commentary to support your view of the Catholic Church hierarchy or lack thereof, I replied with one commentary to refute your view. I never claimed that Peter is the foundation of the Church but rather that Christ appointed Peter as His representative on earth. The Catholic Church has never said that Peter is the foundation of the Church instead of Christ. I think maybe you misspoke in your assertion but don't stop at just that one issue. If the Catholic Church is a cult then all Protestant Denominations are cults because every Protestant Denomination can trace it roots and doctrines back to the Catholic Church. I am not suggesting that assumption because I believe the basic doctrines of most Protestant Denominations and the Catholic Church are the same.

I think it is a shame that we Christians spend more time attacking each other instead of the evils in this world.

midfielder
ROTFLOL

That is too funny!

Spasm Adams' lies and omission
Adams is a lying piece of garbage, a media scum of the worst sort.

The best way to tell a lie is to not tell the whole truth. The University of St. Thomas did not extend an invitation to a Black woman to speak on abortion because of the "Sponsor".

Had Adams and most of the responders actually attended UST, you might have learned critical thinking (Mission statement from UST).

UST is not pro abortion because they invited Al Franken to their campus. I tend to think the Democratic candidate for the Minnesota Senate seat is a proper speaker for any university in Minnesota. As is the Republican candidate.

The YAF, according to Spasm, lost credibility for speakers when Ann Coulter gave some of her "witty" remarks the previous year. We are told those remarks were not vulgar. One does not need to be profane to be vulgar. Ann Coulter is the prime mistress of crudity and vulgarity. And, the YAF was tarred with the slime and invective she undoubtedly threw.

What other practices has the YAF done to earn disrespect? We don't know. That Ms Parker suffered the fall out from their antics does not make UST pro abortion and Anti Black.

institutional racism?
This is just another example of dominant white culture appropriating minority struggles for their own agenda. This has nothing to do with correcting racial injustices.
Shame on you, Mike Adams.

RE: Bleeding Heart Liberal
"One does not need to be profane to be vulgar."

And, of course, we all know YOUR definition of "vulgar":

"Any fact that, if stated publicly, makes self-proclaimed 'liberals' look like the fools they are to those who hear that fact."

But for contraception it's there, Dean-O
Most of the doctrine CAN be traced to either the Old or New Testaments. Penance is based in Christ's teachings of redemption and reconciliation. When He told Peter that he was (figuratively) giving him the "keys to the kingdom" He meant that if a sinner repented to Him through His representative(s) on Earth his sins would be forgiven in Heaven as well.

Communion is remembrance of the last Supper (I KNOW it was actually a seder) where Christ Himself introduced the concepts of Holy Communion AND transubstantiation.

Even Jesus had Himself baptized to lead by example and show that He had come to wash away the sins of a sinful world.

The ban on abortion is based on caution. Unless God calls a "time out" and sits us down to state exactly when child from embryo to birth is really a human being the Church errs on the side of caution. It's no more than that.

I think the ban on contraception is flawed on many levels. The clergy do NOT have to raise and support children and are utterly ignorant of the job it entails. At one time the Church was so threatened by the heresies of the 14th century and the rise of Islam that they felt they had to "outbreed" the infidels to survive.

Some of this may descend from Thomas Aquinas who insisted the sex in marriage was solely for procreation so that any attempt to have sex without the possibility of procreation was by default sinful.

I am not ignorant of the fact that most Church doctrine was written after the fact, but a lot of it is based, sometimes loosely on Scripture or the Gospels.

Just for the record. WHERE were the Baptists, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Calvinists and Lutherans when we CATHOLICS were being fed to lions? NOWHERE. The entire concept of Christ's message and hope of redemption would've been lost if we didn't keep it alive in the dark of the catacombs.

-Ray

Glenn and others
I find it the highly ironic that you would use what is the quintessential Catholic book, The Bible, as a method to refute her authenticity and authority.

The issues you raise are too complex to address in this forum and I will not try. I would like to comment, though on the passage you referenced, Mt 18:18. That passage does not give to the entire twelve the keys. In this passage, Jesus is preparing them for part of their commission, which will be to forgive sins. The keys are only given to Peter. Jesus knew that humans being who and what they are, they would need a leader, a final authority.

If you disagree with this, if you believe that the thousands of denominations, interpretations and the disunity in Christianity is what Jesus intended then carry on, you are a more successful Church than the Roman Papists you seem to despise.

John Henry Newman, the Anglicans' most famous convert once said....

"To be deep in history is to cease to be protestant."










Come now
Mike is not anti-Catholic and this column isn’t about Catholicism. It’s about good old-fashioned hypocrisy and baloney. In this case, Mike serves both just as much as those he criticizes.

“Remember that liberals claim the disproportionate incarceration of blacks is “institutional” racism,”
“By the same logic, the disproportionate abortion of blacks is “institutional” racism,”
Either both are right or both are wrong. Mike is as wrong as any liberal who picks one and not both.

“that feminists are finally realizing the racist dreams of Margaret Sanger.”
If mike thinks that is true then he is as hypocritical as the liberals he castigates.

As for Margret Sanger, she was a racist and believed in eugenics. She did found Planed Parenthood; but
there is no reason to say that PP of today is following Sanger’s dream and trying to eliminate an inferior
race.

I thought it was Peter's FAITH
I always took it to mean that Peter's FAITH would be the foundation of the new church. Peter was the first Bishop of Rome (Pope) and began the long unbroken succession. Some have been great. Many were "caretakers" and some (the Borgia Popes) are best not mentioned at all.

Jesus ALWAYS intended that there be a "pastor" or shepherd for his people on Earth to stand in His stead when they needed guidance, penance or hope.

-Ray

Now will you believe me...
...when I say that the only way the clash of worldviews will be settled is by force? The Left will never recede, nor will they rest, until everyone dances to their tune, and thanks them for the privilege.

Hillary delenda est.

truetolife
You said: "The Catholic Church IS the one, holy, catholic, apostolic church. It is the church instituted by Christ and HE instituted the seven sacraments. St. Peter is the ROCK on which the Catholic Church was built..."

Just for the record :) ... I used to believe that too because I had been taught it all my life. I spent my life very afraid of hell; used to sleep with my head under the covers trying to hide. Then as a young adult someone opened the Bible and showed me the true and simple gospel. I accepted Christ as my Savior. In one moment my life was changed and I knew I was free. My choice was to leave the C church since they had so much error mixed in with their truth. Some choose to stay. I found a Bible church & was happy.

To all;

The reason Christians seem so hard headed to non christians is that when you quit trusting your works and trust the Lord to take care of your sins something really does happen. One moment I was lost ... the next moment I was filled with new life. Much became clear. The presence of God in some way is made known to a new child of Christ. Different for everyone but real to all.

I don't use that as proof to non believers because you cannot know the reality of it until you call out to the Lord in faith yourself. He rewards that scary step of faith. Rev 3:23 "If ANY man call out to me I will come into him ..."

Try calling out and talking to him in the secret of your own room with no one else there.

Wrat,

I am not intending to be offensive, but where is there doctinal support for the position that sex activity is only for the pleasure of the participants? I have never been able to find that in the Bible, in Church history or in sacred tradition.

glome,

if I understand your post correctly, it is every human's responsibility to decide for themselves what Jesus and His teachings mean in their life. If that is true, why did Jesus found a Church? Perhaps you can enlighten me with, at least your subjective vision of, the truth.

To put it more simply, by whose authority do you teach? If every believer has received the authority to teach from Jesus, then Jesus never intended for the members of His Church to be One as He and the Father are One. Of course, such a teaching flies in the face of the fact that Jesus prayed that the members of His Church be one just as He and the Father are One.

I hope you can give me more reasoning on these issues since you seem to have clearly resolved these questions for yourself.

The Sad Truth of Catholic Colleges
Not one major Catholic University, and most minor Catholic Colleges uphold thier Catholic Identity. Even Notre Dame, which guards its Catholic Branding as much as Coke guards its soft drink branding, now has more non-Catholics attending it as Catholics. The WSJ had a good interview with Fr Jenkins, the President of Notre Dame. When Fr Jenkins was asked to answer that complaint that Notre Dame is no longer a "Catholic" institution, he retorted that Notre Dame's Catholic identity is tied to the minority of Catholic students who attend there. That is, if you wish to find that part of Notre Dame that still attends Mass daily or weeky, attend pro-life demonstrations (or still frequents the other sacrements, or pray the rosary), you will find them in the minority of students who still call themselves Catholic. You will not find them in the adminstration, teaching staff, nor in the majority of students.In the interview he sounded almost embarrassed by the Catholics on campus. He treats the Catholic minority who attend Notre Dame like any other special interest. Notre Dame, btw has a $6.1 billion endowment and charges about $50,000 a year in tutition for a "Catholic Education." The school also appears to have an emfatuation with Pro Abortion politicians.

If I was to visit Baylor, I would expect to find the campus replete with Baptists; if I visited SMU, I would expect a campus that was Methodist oriented. Witht he exception of a few tiny Catholic colleges, the Catholic Universities stopped being Catholic about 40 years ago.

Don't make this Thread Cath v NonCath
I don't think Adams intended it as such. However, he makes a point most Catholics don't want to face. That is, most of the Orders that founded our major Catholic Universities are any thing but Catholic. Here are a few:

Georgetown -Jesuit
Notre Dame -Brothers of the Holy Cross
DePaul -Jesuit
Xavier -Jesuit
Gonzaga -Jesuit
St Johns -Vincentian
Boston College - Jesuit

These are just a few of the major schools. Most are Catholic in Name Only, but they still carry the "Catholic Education" brand. The one thing they do have in common is their sticker shock.

Fivo
Fivo,

"Purporting to be an Black American while denying the literal genocide that is being conducted on our children further labels you as ignorant or a coward, Ralph."

Thanks for the compliment. As an African American, I take great offense to those comparing abortion to genocide or slavery. I mean really!!!

" Much like an invisible narrator found, it is impossible to explore your perception of being Black when the Black children are all murdered."

That is totally wrong. That has nothing t do with the plot at all, not even a tad bit as much. You never read Invisible Man did you?

"What th It took all of two seconds to find this web site in just about any search on Black genocide (pops up first consistently):

http://www.blackgenocide.org"

Yes a pop up site from a far right wing fringe group called "L.E.A.R.N INC" that compares terminating a 2 week old fetus/tadpole with the atrocities of the Holocaust, Jim Crow, and Middle Passage/Slavery. I mean really!!!

"I suggest it for in-depth reference addendums to your sparse library on the issue."

And this is coming from the wo/man who last night quoted from a website whose author/webmaster describes homosexuality as equivalent to pedophilia and incest. Just like blackgenocide.org, these websites you rely on aren't exactly the best source for unbiased and credible information. What's next, quoting from Mein Kampf as a somehow credible source on Jewish people?

beowulfe
I just sw your comments. As for the rights of a fetus, they do very. What I meant to say was the issue over the personhood/legal rights of a fetus. As of today, a fetus does not have the same legal rights/personhood as you or I. I believe it should stay that way. While I was somewhat supportive of The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004, my qualms were over whether or not this was the first step in ensuring personhood for fetuses. As of today, it looks like it isn't. However, the right wing is sooo crazy over this issue.

My question to you is do you actually think that Roe v. Wade will ever be overturned? Even if it is, do you actually believe all abortions will cease to exist?

BTW, would you mind provides citations for the stats you mentioned. I'm curious to see where you go them from and if they are indeed true.

If you believe human beings

are animals, contraception is the perfect solution to stop pregnancies.

glome
With all due respect, you merely substituted the authority of the church for your own, which is of course, your right. But, when you proclaim that the church has error, you have claimed the authority to teach what you believe to be error free truth.

Did you miss the passages in the Bible about the eunuch, Acts 8:27 in which he acknowledges that he cannot understand what he has read without someone to teach him? Or in 2 Peter 1:20 where we are exhorted to understand that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's won interpretation. Or how about the one in John 16:1-15 where he promises the twelve that the holy spirit will come and guide them to into all truth, that the holy spirit will take what is his and declare it to them.

Or maybe I missed the passage that declares the Bible to be the pillar and bulwark of truth. Oh wait, that passage is in 1 Timothy 3:15 and it pertains to the church. What church would St. Paul be referencing? The one, true church founded by Jesus or one of the thousands founded on men?

You see, we can play this game too. Do not think that you can use the Bible as an authority to teach against the church which established the canon of Scripture . There is nothing in Catholic doctrine which contradicts Scripture. The contradiction is in the fact that you accept the Bible as the authoritative Word of God but reject the means by which it came to you.

Ralph Ellison, You stated that
"as an African-American, I take great offense to the comparison of abortion to slavery". Why? Isn't evil evil? You carry on as if because you happen to be born Black, that you have the market on perceived victimhood and "something being owed to you because your ancestors suffered as slaves"-
Do you really believe that blacks have historically been persecuted more than any other people? If you do may I remind you that NO people in history have been targeted for annihilation more than the Jews, and by EVERYBODY on the planet! Yet, in spite of the suffering and loss on a HUGE scale, do you see them using that as an excuse to do nothing and blame it on their "victimhood"? Might I suggest you take a look at Israel, and then look at everything else in the region, it speaks volumes about the initiative and drive of a people willing to succeed in spite of all odds being against them-
Shalom!

Eddie too
Hi Eddie. Jesus started a whole new thing in the Church. He did away with the temple and sacrifice and the Aaronic priesthood. Christ Himself would be our priest under the order of Melchisidech.
God ended the hierarchial priesthood. He poured out His Spirit on all of us giving us gifts to teach and council each other. Read 1 Corinthians 2:6-16. He explains in there that the new life that comes inside us when we are born again understands the things of God because we now have the Spirit of God living in us; He said we are different now and can discern for ourselves whether those teaching us are teaching truths etc.
But remember ... there are only a few important things that He has made implicitly clear. Christs Godhood; His death and resurrection and the purpose of it. Gods character and expectations of us. And you will find almost all who have been born again agree in these areas. Division comes from non essentials. I, personally thing divisions are good as long as there is love between the groups. If some believe in 7 day creation and some think that is aligorical, why mess with arguing about it? If it's important to you, gather with others that think the same so you can focus on more important things, just don't get mad at each other.
Now ... we all follow Christ and Him alone. That's the wonder of the new Testament. It is the Spirit in us that guides us.

eddie too
I don’t follow your thinking. Why do you think that?

Roolz
Why does the world demand consistent behavior? There's nothing wrong with hypocrisy if you are sincere about it. Love your living constitution and academic community.


Will
You do not seem to understand:

a) philosophy
b) theology
c) politics

What exactly are you actually good at?

jvette
Hi jvette. I'm not playing a game. I'm just telling you what I believe and what I base it on.

He clearly states what the church is. It is every person that is trusting in Him and His work on the cross. We are each living stones in the true church. Churches were scattered all over the area, but each church was the group of people that had come together to worship God. Not the building they were worshipping in.

There is only one church; it is comprised of all that are His. We gather in different buildings ... or out side or wherever.
I know you all have claimed that your 'organization' is the true church. You have gone back to the priesthood. But God only orained two orders of priests. Aaron was done away with. Your priests are from a man made order. God did not give them authority over me.

But as I said in my last post ... it is better to worship Him separately in the way we think best rather than force our beliefs on each other. I live for Him. I'm sure you would say the same. We can concentrate on learning more about Him this way and not get off on nonessentials.

Persephone in SD
Wow! So you take my post directd to Fivo and use it to a justification for your daily angry spiel. Always glad to help facilitate right wing fodder from people like yourself. However, I must ask: What the hell were you readng to somehow get that impression??? Damn girl, take a chill pill.

Also, in the same post I said I have a problem with comparing abortion "...with the atrocities of the Holocaust.." You obviously purposefully ignored that part to go off on some tangent about Israel not playing off victimhood or the Holocaust (Many people disagree on that point).

Again, do you think abortion and those women who choose to have the procedure are comprable to the Holocaust/Nazi Sickos or the Middle Passage?

Salaam!!!




The truth is scary for some...
Truth #1: There is really no such thing as a "human fetus"; it's called a baby.

Truth #2: There is no such thing as an "unwanted" or "unsupportable" child. Ask any couple who is trying to adopt.

Truth #3: Anyone who supports abortion rights is effectively anti-baby, anti-woman and anti-America (we are already in jeopardy of losing the America that was founded in 1776, due to birth-replacement levels below zero).

Truth #4: There is a God who holds each of us accountable for the way we treat children. That same God will also hold us accountable for the way we kill children.

Lynn Bradly
Great emails! Think we'll get a response? I doubt it. :)

Ralph
//Ralph Ellison writes: Monday, April, 14, 2008 2:03 PM

Thanks for the compliment. As an African American, I take great offense to those comparing abortion to genocide or slavery. I mean really!!!
(snip)
And this is coming from the wo/man who last night quoted from a website whose author/webmaster describes homosexuality as equivalent to pedophilia and incest. Just like blackgenocide.org, these websites you rely on aren't exactly the best source for unbiased and credible information. What's next, quoting from Mein Kampf as a somehow credible source on Jewish people?//
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Again with the obfuscation. If you had understood Invisible Man the relationships could not have taken place if the final solution which people like you project for Blacks had been instituted. You, the abortionist, represent the new clan no matter what your skin reflects. Kill the Black man because it's easier than education or responsibility. Simply because you cannot connect the metaphor I assign to exploring relationships does not mean you have traction, or substance.

If anyone should be worried it's any citizen of this country incapable of defending themselves from your apparent moral compass which defines life based upon its usefulness to you. You would fit in well with the eugenics movement. I'm sure you could find someone to sacrifice to whatever you worship. More than anything, I'm stunned you haven't acquired the moniker Trueblood.

glome
My reading of that passage is totally different from yours. Remember, this is St. Paul speaking to the church at Corinth. He says that no one understands what is truly God's except the Spirit of God. He goes on to say that we(the leaders of the church) do not speak in words taught by human wisdom but by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual things to those who are spiritual. The Apostles and those they appointed, were the teachers of truth as led by the Holy Spirit. We are all called to evangelize, but we are not all called to interpret. One must have an authority, a final arbiter of truth. Without it, we have the division of the last 500 years.

You state in your post that Jesus ended the priesthood. Where is that in the Bible??
The significance of the rend in the veil is not that the priesthood is ended, it is that all may come into the Holiest of Holies, into the presence of God. Before, only the high priest could enter into that presence of God. Before, only the high priest could petition God for forgiveness. Jesus makes God accessible to all. That is what Catholics do whenever they attend Mass or enter the church where Jesus is present in the tabernacle.

Yes, we are to discern for ourselves, but we are not rudderless, orphans, easy pickings for those who say what "tickles our ears".

I believe that Christians not in communion with the church are indeed of the Spirit, but they have not completely given themselves over to Jesus when they reject His church.

I'd rather be in Alaska
Really?

1) The term fetus is just as accurate as baby. Technically, it’s the more accurate of the two.

2) Why are the orphanages in my region at capacity?

3) That’s just plain ridiculous.

4) Does it really matter to God which way we kill children or does any killing bother Him?

MikeR,

about contraception? Because human beings are not animals, they have intellect and free will.

It is fitting to give animals contraception because you cannot appeal to their free will and intellect. Humans (who I do not consider animals) can receive and understand an appeal to their intellect and free will. Intellect and free will are sufficient to control human sexual activity, contraception is unnecessary. Human contraception is designed to encourage people to not fully exercise their humanity.

It really boils down to justifying the belief that sexual activity exists solely for the pleasure of human beings. If you can do that, contraception is reasonable.

However, if sexual activity has reasons for existing beyond pleasure for the participants, reducing sexual activity to pleasure production is to deny the true nature of sexual activity. To live in denial of what is reasonable is to doom one's self to the fruits of irrationality which must rely on chance for hitting on actions that are positive for the self.

glome,

those who have Jesus in their hearts are indeed the living members of His Church. However, there is no way for one human to know what is in another's heart. It is conceivable that you are the only one in your church that has Jesus in his or her heart. The result of such reasoning is that you do not know if you are in the true church or not since you do not know which of those with whom you worship truly have Jesus in their heart. For me, that is a very difficult teaching to accpet.

I prefer to believe that Jesus understood human nature well enough to know that if His followers are to stay united in His Spirit they must have someone with absolute authority to resolve disputes and prevent division.

Hawaii Fivo
"Again with the obfuscation."

Really? I thought I have been quite straight forward with you Five On It.

"If you had understood Invisible Man the relationships could not have taken place if the final solution which people like you project for Blacks had been instituted."

So using the whole IM theme, so I am Brother Jack, Planned Parenthood is the Brotherhood, and Ras is Al Sharpton or any liberal African American who supports abortion rights? Hum??? You know, that plot could work. Can my wife be Sybil (minus the whole rape fetish thing)?

"You, the abortionist, represent the new clan no matter what your skin reflects."

Wow, I'm a leader in the new "clan". What exactly is that?

"Kill the Black man because it's easier than education or responsibility."

Sounds like your taking about dogs? Educate and responsibility??? Thanks Reverend Barbee!!!

Five Guys (which I personally love)
"Simply because you cannot connect the metaphor I assign to exploring relationships does not mean you have traction, or substance."

You really stretched this one buddy. What's next, using "The Sound of Music" to explain illegal immigration? "The Color Purple" to explain Asian family relationships??? LOL!!!!

"If anyone should be worried it's any citizen of this country incapable of defending themselves from your apparent moral compass which defines life based upon its usefulness to you."

So I'm an evil American? Wow!!! Don't you support a war that has killed thousands of Iraqis and Aerican soldiers?? Oh wait, they don't count because they aren't fetuses??
My bad!!!

"You would fit in well with the eugenics movement."

My last name isn't Bush. Sorry.

"I'm sure you could find someone to sacrifice to whatever you worship."

Wanna go first????

"More than anything, I'm stunned you haven't acquired the moniker Trueblood."

So I'm an incestuous sharecropper now??? LOL!!! I think Brother Jack works better. For you, I think Mr. Norton fits perfectly.

Hey Fivo Guys, It's been fun. Next, How about we use "A Separate Piece" as a metaphor for the complexities of a female prison??? LMAO!!!!

MikeR
Don't you realize that the poster "I'd rather be in Juneau" is indeed a prophet of God???

He above anyone else knows what God thinks and believes. According to him,God told him the mysteries of his Word in a private text message to his phone. Unfortunately, Juneau didn't get the second text message from God about social justice and the whole warning against casting the first stone. Poor Juneau has T-Mobile, not God's choice cell phone carrier, AT&T!!!


eddie too
It would be completely ridiculous to think that sexual activity exists solely for pleasure. Obviously, heterosexual activity has an inherent procreative aspect. I think you have things backward though.

It is the reproductive aspect of sex that is most closely related to animal behavior. It is precisely because “human beings are not animals, (and that) they have intellect and free will” that sexual activity means so much more than just procreation. Contraception exists solely due to intelligence and free will.


MikeR "Mike-are-a-fool"
The truth sometimes hurts, doesn't it, Mike?

Don't bother to respond... just think about it...

I'm gone.

Juneau
"MikeR 'Mike-are-a-fool'"

Wow!!! Your as funny as the 1/2 Hour News Hour. Sorry it got canceled.

STAR PARKER TAKES A STAND
.....STAR ...

.....I want to commend you for taking a stand against the message of Jeremiah Wright in Black Community life ...

.....I wish you success in getting CURE'S Newsletter out to the approx. 4,000 Conservative Black Churches (15 % of Black Churches) and your efforts to get 50 key state pastors to Washington for a conference this fall ...also your new show which hopefully will debut this fall on the new NRB Network (National Religious Broadcasters) carried on DirecTV ...

.....GOOD LUCK IN ALL YOUR ENDEAVORS ...CONSERVATIVE AMERICA NEEDS YOUR VOICE OUT THERE .....COLOSSUS

It wasn't that long ago
When well written articles pointing out the absolute hypocrisy in liberal-speak (tolerance, diversity, et.al.) were rare and caused an "oh my" reaction. Now articles like this one and from many others have educated many. There is strength in numbers.

Great job Mike and all the others. Progress is being made and I am encouraged.

MikeR,

I never intended to imply that sexual activity is just for procreation.

Also, I agree that contraception is the result of free will and I would say limited intelligence.

I will try putting it another way. However humanity came about, it is obvious that the pleasure aspect of human sexual activity is subservient to the procreative act. In other words, God or nature or evolution (if you prefer) made procreation pleasurable so that it would enable humanity to continue. Use of articial contraception is a "de facto" denial of this reality. Those who deny reality will suffer the consequences.

Human beings

who seek to artfically close off the procreative aspect of human sexuality are acting in a manner contrary to the integrity of human sexuality. The end result, predictably, is the fragmentation of the human person. As a consequence, the human gestalt suffers because the effects of fragmentation of many humans allow the gestalt to become more calloused to the integrity of human existence.

As the gestalt hardens, offenses against

human beings become more prevalent and more severe.

Yes, Ralph, I do
think that all mass murder that is accepted/condoned by a society is comparable to the Holocaust.

Not "angry", my dear, just passionate-

Glome, Re; your 1:12 post
I can relate completely to what you posted, I too was raised absolutely Catholic, school, Mass every Sunday, devoutly enforced in our home. My Maternal ancestors were "conversos", Jews forced to convert to Catholicism in the early 1500's.

I too once rabidly defended the erroneous belief that Catholicism was founded by The Lord through Peter-
But, just when was Peter supposed to be the "Bishop of Rome"; wearing ornate robes and having people celebrate him, when he was actually crucified upside down outside the city?

The Catholic Church, unfortunately, does embrace the "traditions of man" and not serve the Truth that one does not need a priest, rituals, or an "interpeter" to receive Christ. The Catholic Church cannot save you, only Christ can.And jvette, I am sorry, but in numerous places in Scripture, the Catholic Church DOES contradict it.If I didn't have to run right now and pick up my son, I could provide you with numerous examples.

P in SD and glome

I find your belief that Jesus left no one in charge of His Church to be unreasonable.

Especially, in light of His giving the power to bind to at least Peter. Also, in light of the Scripture that more than once identifies Peter as having primacy among the apostles. Further, in light of His prayer that His followers be one as He and His Father are one.

Ralph Ellison
Is "A Separate Piece" the same as "A Separate Peace?"

There might be a big difference to our gay posters.

once again
the Catholic Church is the one, holy,catholic(universal), apostolic church. All OTHER religions seceded from it. The bible that everyone thinks they know so much about--only existed because of Catholicism. Sometimes the truth is very, very difficult to accept. As Archbishop Fulton Sheen once said, "The more violently men hate truth, the more they think about it." That is why there are so many "interpretations" of what "truth" is. Every Catholic is called to a personal relationship with Jesus. The Blessed Mother helps us also and is always pointing toward her Son to show us the way.

Persephone in SD
Well, your free to believe the way that you do. I think your dead wrong on the comparison. I'm sure many Holocaust survivors would disagree with you as well.

As for passionate, yes you are. I think it clouds your judgement sometimes, as seen by your earlier spiel.

However, I forgive you. Let's move on.

Husker
"Is "A Separate Piece" the same as "A Separate Peace?"

Your correct. I misspelled it. My fault. I haven't read that book since 8th grade in Ms. Volpini's Honors English class over 20 something years ago.

"There might be a big difference to our gay posters"

That's not nice at all. However, the book does have several homoerotic moments/themes if memory serves me correctly.

As for my gay brothers and sisters, leave them alone. Even still today, Whenever I hear the song "What's New, Pussycat?", my mind drifts to a naughty, naughty place. Lol!!!!

I am reminded...
by some of the comments of a quote I read the other day.

**"There’s really nothing like a dose of condemnation from a moral relativist."

Mike Adams
**

(chucklesnort)

You heard me in reverse
Eddie,

I was saying that in the early Church some of the hierarchy (and Thomas Aquinas) had trouble separating marital relations from fornication so they decided that only sex for procreation was pleasing to God.

This flies in the face of human nature and also in the Judeo-Christian tradition of marital fidelity and love. Ideas like this (which never caught on with many people) helped to foster the "repressive" image of Christianity.

-Ray

Wrat Wrangler writes:
Actually it was Christians that were fed to the lions not catholics....Catholics came along some great time later.

Upon this Rock===The rock being what Peter said
"Thou art the Christ Son of the Living God"


Buck0
Buck writes: Monday, April, 14, 2008 10:34 AM
Hey Deano,Are You A Real Christian?
Get yourself a Catholic Catechism,read it and then get back to us.
Your"Dueling Bibles" approach to Your Interpretation of The Bible is provocative.Are you saying that every Christian sect agrees with your personal interpretation of The Bible. Methodists,Episcopalians,Lutherans,Presbyterians? Which groups? Hmmmmm
Nope didnt say that....

The Methods,Piscopals Luts, and prebs are all in the same boat as the Catholics...Read the Scripture not the CCC.

jvette
There is no way you could assume the 1 Cor passage is only talking about the leaders. V14-16 show that he is speaking of those that have received new life in Christ. He is scolding the Corinthians because they haven't made use of their lofty position as children filled with the Spirit to discern truth and draw close to God. Begin at the beginning. It is not difficult to understand.
Lay aside all that you've been told and ask the Spirit to open your eyes and protect you and reveal truth to you. Millions have thrown themselves in faith on Christ and He has answered.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if the verse "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved." was the gospel? It is.
Anyway, I don't want to argue; you seem such a nice person and dedicated to what you believe. But read the 7th and 8th chapter (Mainly 7:11-17) of Hebrews. That explains that the Levites (Aaronic pristhood) is now old; part of the old law. Christ is now our high priest. I'm not sure, but someone tried to do the job of priest and was killed; the story of 'strange fire' ... that may not be right. But God was very stern that NO ONE except chosen Levites could do priestly duties. The first King of Israel, Saul, did a priestly duty without being in the line of Levi and God took the Kingdom away from him. No man has a right to start a new priesthood.
Your Church has stayed true to the teachings of Christ as God and the Bible being the word of God; also the Trinity. She stands high on morality. I always appreciate it when you all take that kind of stand.

Free will & predestination…

‘You will say, "Free will! God gave man free will to CHOOSE good over evil"…After all, if god has prdestined eveything, then all abortions & jews dying in ovens & kidnapped children are part of his master plan…’ –TH classic



Another TH classic… free will and predestination in the same rant accusing God of inaction in dealing with the sin and misery of men while neglecting the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

God does predestinate according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will [Ephesians 1:11]. The mystery is that men are still responsible for their own sin.

This mystery is illustrated in the life of Christ…

He was delivered up by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, and nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put to death [Acts 2:23].

Now the question that should be asked is why does God still find fault for who is able to resist His will [Romans 9:19]? This is the question that the apostle answers with a rebuke to the creature for questioning his creator [Romans 9:20-21].

Free will is the myth. No man but Adam had a free will to choose good or evil. In Adam all men are born in bondage to sin without the ability to subject themselves to the law of God [Romans 8:7].

The second Adam has come to restore the will of fallen men. He has dealt decisively with man’s sin problem. The gospel is that all who call upon the name of the Lord will be saved. He has accomplished eternal redemption for them and none will be lost [Hebrews 9:11-15; John 6:39].


Eddie too
Eddie ... what you say to me you can apply to yourself too :)
You don't know if those sitting around you have truly accepted the Lord and been born again either technically.
We do have to keep that in mind but God told us ways that we can have some confidence in those claiming to be Christian. "By their works you will know them" Our spirits witness with each other & we know. (always keeping in mind we will occasionally be wrong)
Once you've actually been born again; received a life and presence inside yourself that was never there before ... things are different. When you meet someone else that knows Him in that same way it is pretty easy to know you are related in Him.
Eddie too, lets make a deal. I'll ask you to read Romans. But first decide to enter into the read as though you knew nothing. Like you never heard any truths except what you're reading. And just learn what you actually read that day. I'll do it with you if you want. With the same attitude. It would be fun to just listen to God without any one telling us what God really means.
Are you game?

You said
I prefer to believe that Jesus understood human nature well enough to know that if His followers are to stay united in His Spirit they must have someone with absolute authority to resolve disputes and prevent division.

Me; But it doesn't make any difference what you prefer to think. Wipe all those preferences out of your mind and lets start on Romans :)

Persephone
Like I was just mentioning to Eddie too (Isn't that a cute name?:) when you meet someone that has experienced the same thing there is that instant knowledge of relationship!! It was fun to read your post.
I was 22 when I received Christ. Because of the years of fear, the joy was so intense that night; the knowledge that I had already received eternal life and the relief of it has stayed with me until this day. I wouldn't change one thing about the years I spent without Him. Nor one thing about the years I spent with Him :):)
You think Eddie too will read Romans? I hope so.
See you in the comments :)

Will wrote:
"If abortion is such an abomination to you, be a man about it. Confront it plainly & honestly without the god crutch."

Actually Will, we have. We've tried it with the "God crutch", we've tried it with photos and even some videos of dismembered babies, we've tried it with the science angle that you libs supposedly adhere to, we've tried using women who have had abortions and regret it, but you abortion supporters stick your fingers in your ears, crying la,la,la,la,la,la. You don't want anything to do with personal responsibility or accountability. You call that plain & honest?

Will, if you're still around ...
check out this link: https://www.family.org/faith/A000000895.cfm

Yes, I know it's an article on a site you probably despise, but the data from the research is from Duke University. It is another in a long line of studies that show the benefits of having a prayer life and faith in God. A person of faith lives about seven years longer on average.

Compare that to the average length of life for someone who lives as you do. But I guess the "benefits" for your chosen life style is that you don't have to worry about planning for retirement.

I'd rather be in Alaska
When you offer an insult as a rebuttal, does that mean you concede to my point? According to Ann Coulter and Dr. Adams, that’s typical liberal behavior.

I understand the semantics. You use the term ‘baby’ because of the emotional context while the pro abortion people use the term “fetus’ because it lacks emotion. I have no problem with that other than the way you bandy the word “truth” around. Fetus is an accurate and truthful term for a baby in gestation.

I stand by my other points as well.

Yes, the truth is scary for some and I suppose it hurts too. That is probably why you chose to drop an insult and run away instead of face it.

AQUINAS and MORE
Tempus Fugit Est!

The backbone of two saints Thomas one Aquinas the other More will continue to preside over and strengthen the University through this Liberal interim of organizational pigeon-holing. Mohammed Ali Salim demanded that honest thinking thrive at Saint Thomas.
Fidelius Cognum Eterna est.

Star Parker will - thanks to the controversy - be invited and receive her luncheon guest speaking engagement at Saint Thomas.

"Saint Thomas isn't Yale you know

I worked hard for my C's and got plenty of them with all the scars of sublime ridecule.

"Alas Poor Yorick - I knew him once!"; ergo, NCAA Division III Hockey Champs 2009.

persephone and glome
Let me begin by saying thank you for your respectful responses. I can tell that you are dedicated Christians and say what you do out of love and concern. Thoughtful debate is difficult at times in this manner, so it is appreciated.

Now, Peter as the first Bishop of Rome wearing ornate robes and being celebrated etc.....

First Peter was, in fact, celebrated, people came to see him and hear him speak of Jesus, they wanted to be close to him and touch him because he had been with Jesus. The first Christians were forced to worship in secret, especially in Rome. They met in the catacombs and had elaborate signs and symbols used to identify each other. On the walls of the catacombs there is artwork, it tells the story of the early days and can still be seen today.

After Constantine ended persecution, Christians were free to worship. The elaborate churches, priestly robes, chalices et al were not needed and are not needed to worship. These are the human heart reacting to the beauty and glory of God in humble attempt to give Him our finest things. We know that we can never match His glory so we use our most beautiful things in our worship. Think of Peter after the transfiguration, in Mark and Luke, he wants to make dwellings for Jesus, Elijah and Moses, for he said it was good for them to be there.

That is what we do in our churches. The artwork on the walls and in the windows, tell our story. Their beauty is our desire to give God the best of what we have. Through the years, many Catholics worked years and years to build the beautiful cathedrals, shrines and churches of our faith.

AS for the fact that Peter was crucified upside down outside the walls of Rome. Are you aware that that is a tradition handed on and not found in Scripture. Some even dispute that Peter ever even went to Rome.

glome
Corinthians is indeed Paul telling them that what they have been taught is of Christ. The next chapter exhorts them to not align themselves with men but with Christ, for the teachings of the men that the Apostles appointed are those of Christ and not of themselves. We see exactly what he means in our own time. Thousands of sects have been created by men who reject the teachings of the church.

AS for the priesthood as spoken about in Hebrews. You are correct in that the old priesthood is dead, it is the new priesthood that lives in the church. We are all called to it, but we know that the Apostles laid hands upon those whom the Holy Spirit led them to chose as their successors. The man does not become a priest of the old covenant, but in persona Christi in the new.

Truly, God is good, he has made it possible for every believer to enter the heavenly banquet through the once for all sacrifice of Jesus. It is made present for each of us in our time through the celebration of the mass.

Will/will, we'll do it our way
Will writes: Monday, April, 14, 2008 1:10 AM
Mike, again with the god business...
If your loving god is so omnipotent and "listens" to all your prayers, simply pray that all abortions end.
_____________________________________

Will/will, you lib/lefty/homosexual/homosexualist pervert, you: You do it your way and we will do it our way. We are 100% with Mike on this subject and all subjects.

Go preach on your lib/lefty/homosexual/homosexualist websites. We don't need your nonsense here. We don't need someone who is confused about the complementarity of the genitals giving us advice.

homosexuals are sterile
Homosexuals are sterile.

Homosexuality is sterile.

Homosexuals engage in activities that shorten the homosexual life expectancy.

That tells you all you need to know about homosexuals and homosexuality. That tells you all you need to know about the legitimacy of homosexuality.

Nothing favors homosexuals.

Nothing favors homosexuality.

Nothing recommends homosexuality.

PP has reformed!!!!!!
Yes, MikeR, PP saw the errors of their ways, the error of Margaret Sanger's ways and they, overnight, eliminated the inspiration to abort blacks out of existence. Of course.

That was irony, in case you can't see it, but the reality is that PP is just as dedicated to the elitest, we-know-better-than-you, work of eliminating blacks and hispanics as they ever have been, and if you studied their work you would see it. But you don't want to see it, because it muddies up the purpose that PP is now using to justify the slaughter of babies.

Baptists are not Protestants
Contrary to the prevailing belief on this thread, Baptists did not grow out of Catholicism and thus are not technically Protestant. They precede the Reformation and, indeed, even the Catholic church.

If anyone's interested, read "The Trail of Blood" by J.M. Carroll. An on-line version is available (without graphics) at

http://www.baptistpillar.com/bd0172.htm

The historical timeline can be found at http://www.exchangedlife.com/trail_of_blood.htm

Not trying to "bash" anyone, just trying to be accurate.

I know refutations to "The Trail of Blood" have been attempted, and may have validity around the edges. Yet I believe the core doctrine is sound.

Much respect,

AFM

Luis
Gee, Luis. Do you have any evidence to support that claim? Will you ever support any of the outrageous claims you make? Do you want to talk about the bad times with you and your daddy and the plunger? I can help you. Would you like to talk about how you feel after you finish with the male prostitutes? You know, the emptiness, the self hatred and the pain.

Jesus,
in His Divine Mercy has sent the Holy Father to America to point our country toward the truth. To accept Him and confess our sins and soften our hearts of stone. God Bless our Holy Father and all those who are open to the truth. May the Holy Spirit enlighten the confused and the lost souls.

Catholic "cult" created New testament
PB,

stop whining about anti-catholicism. this is a knee jerk(liberal) response to criticism. Yelling racism, anti-this and that is too easy and devoid of the real spirit of debate.

and to those protestants who continue to protest, remember you are protestants because you are protesting the theology and actions of the Roman catholic church, the church founded by christ, there from the beginning, with its head as peter. one of you even said the keys were given to peter and then to all the apostles, yet throuought the scriptures it says Peter by name and then the apostles so one can conclude he was at least very important.

The idea jesus is the foundation of the church actually demeans christ who is above all the Alpha and omega. He is the that whom we live breath and have our very being. why relegate him to a foundation of a human institution. When he ascended he gave us a group of 12 to lead us.(a congress if you will) with one president. Even protestantism can not show us a link of its churches to any of the 12 let alone peter. The Keys is a symbol of authority. Protestantism would have to make a big leap to suggest that the keys is a reference to the Bible, which of course hadnt been compiled (new testament). The keys are given to an earthly authority, the gate keeper is Christ.

also, Mike adams is not even close to being anti-catholic. If anything, he is anti-fake Catholics, as am I.

Gee, Mike, how about eyeballs?
MikeR writes: Tuesday, April, 15, 2008 2:37 PM
Luis
Gee, Luis. Do you have any evidence to support that claim? Will you ever support any of the outrageous claims you make? Do you want to talk about the bad times with you and your daddy and the plunger? I can help you. Would you like to talk about how you feel after you finish with the male prostitutes? You know, the emptiness, the self hatred and the pain.
______________________________

Gee, Mike, eyeballs, a brain, and common sense, which is, work VERY well to support our claims.

HOMOSEXUALS ARE STERILE

HOMOSEXUALITY STERILE

THE HOMOSEXUAL/HOMOSEXULITY STERILITY SAYS IT ALL ABOUT THE HOMOSEXUAL/HOMOSEXUALITY PROBLEM, THE FRUSTRATION OF HOMOSEXUALS BECAUSE THEIR 'SEX' CAN'T PRODUCE BABIES AS IN THE CASE OF NORMAL PEOPLE.

NOTHING FAVORS HOMOSEXUALS.

NOTHING FAVORS HOMOSEXUALITY.

NOTHING RECOMMENDS HOMOSEXUALITY.

Mike, your head is a bloody pulp
MikeR writes: Tuesday, April, 15, 2008 2:37 PM
Luis
Gee, Luis. Do you have any evidence to support that claim? Will you ever support any of the outrageous claims you make?///PREVIOUSLY ANSWERED, NOT THAT IT REQUIRED AN ANSWER FOR INTELLIGENT PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT DEFENSIVE.\\\ Do you want to talk about the bad times with you and your daddy and the plunger?///NO, I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE BAD TIMES WITH ME AND MY DADDY AND THE PLUNGER, BECAUSE MY DADDY WAS AN IDEAL DADDY, NORMAL IN ALL RESPECTS AND USED THE PLUNGER TO UNSTOP THE TOILET. OH, YOU LIB/LEFTY/HOMOSEXUAL/HOMOSEXUALIST PERVERT, YOU DO TRY HARD, BUT IT DOESN'T WORK.\\\ I can help you.///WE DO NOT TAKE HELP FROM CONFUSED PEOPLE, FROM PEOPLE WHO TRY TO DEFEND THE INDEFENSIBLE.\\\[continued]

Mike, keep bashing your head
Would you like to talk about how you feel after you finish with the male prostitutes?///WE WILL FINISH WITH THE MALE PROSTITUTES AND THE WHOLE HOMOSEXUAL PROBLEM, THE HOMOSEXUAL DISEASE, THE HOMOSEXUAL PROSELYTIZING OF CHILDREN, THE HOMOSEXUAL PUBLIC FLAUNTING OF THEIR PERVERSIONS, THE CONSTANT HOMOSEXUAL WHINING FOR SPECIAL RIGHTS VERY SOON, AND THEN, YES, YES, YES!!!! WE WILL FEEL MUCH, MUCH, MUCH! BETTER!!!! WE ARE PLEASED THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT.\\\ You know, the emptiness, the self hatred and the pain.///IF THERE IS ANY EMPTINESS, SELF HATRED, PAIN AMONG US, OUR PEOPLE DO NOT SHOW IT. WHY WOULD THERE BE ANY EMPTINESS AMONG US IF OUR WORK IN ELIMINATING THE HOMOSEXUAL PROBLEM IS SO FULFILLING, SO NECESSARY? WHY WOULD THERE BE SELF HATRED AMONG US IF WE JUSTIFY THIS BATTLE AGAINS THE HOMOSEXUAL NONSENSE? WHY WOULD THERE BE ANY PAIN WHEN ALL WE GET IS GRATITUDE FROM NORMAL PEOPLE FOR FIGHTING THE HOMOSEXUAL FILTH AND PERVERSIONS? GEE, MIKE, JUST WHEN WE THOUGHT YOU WERE UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE HOMOSEXUAL PROBLEM IS AND HOW AND WHY WE ARE HANDLING IT. WHAT A DISAPPOINTMENT, BUT THEN IT IS NOT EASY TO CONVERT SOMEONE WHO IS SO ON THE DEFENSIVE, SO INTENT ON DEFENDING THE INDEFENSIBLE--MORE MIKE BASHING HIS HEAD AGAINST THE SIDEWALK.\\\

Mike, keep bashing your head
Would you like to talk about how you feel after you finish with the male prostitutes?///WE WILL FINISH WITH THE MALE PROSTITUTES AND THE WHOLE HOMOSEXUAL PROBLEM, THE HOMOSEXUAL DISEASE, THE HOMOSEXUAL PROSELYTIZING OF CHILDREN, THE HOMOSEXUAL PUBLIC FLAUNTING OF THEIR PERVERSIONS, THE CONSTANT HOMOSEXUAL WHINING FOR SPECIAL RIGHTS VERY SOON, AND THEN, YES, YES, YES!!!! WE WILL FEEL MUCH, MUCH, MUCH! BETTER!!!! WE ARE PLEASED THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT.\\\ You know, the emptiness, the self hatred and the pain.///IF THERE IS ANY EMPTINESS, SELF HATRED, PAIN AMONG US, OUR PEOPLE DO NOT SHOW IT. WHY WOULD THERE BE ANY EMPTINESS AMONG US IF OUR WORK IN ELIMINATING THE HOMOSEXUAL PROBLEM IS SO FULFILLING, SO NECESSARY? WHY WOULD THERE BE SELF HATRED AMONG US IF WE JUSTIFY THIS BATTLE AGAINS THE HOMOSEXUAL NONSENSE? WHY WOULD THERE BE ANY PAIN WHEN ALL WE GET IS GRATITUDE FROM NORMAL PEOPLE FOR FIGHTING THE HOMOSEXUAL FILTH AND PERVERSIONS? GEE, MIKE, JUST WHEN WE THOUGHT YOU WERE UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE HOMOSEXUAL PROBLEM IS AND HOW AND WHY WE ARE HANDLING IT. WHAT A DISAPPOINTMENT, BUT THEN IT IS NOT EASY TO CONVERT SOMEONE WHO IS SO ON THE DEFENSIVE, SO INTENT ON DEFENDING THE INDEFENSIBLE--MORE MIKE BASHING HIS HEAD AGAINST THE SIDEWALK.\\\

impressive
I know I am late to this thread, but I have to admire the way that Adams is able to cheapen the ideas of genocide and institutional racism in such a short span.

Given that birth rates among blacks are not lower than for other groups, the increased abortion rates among blacks seems most directly connected to the increased level of unwanted pregnancies among blacks. That in turn would seem to be related to the increased levels of poverty among blacks in this country.

Obviously someone concerned with these disproportionate abortion rates would want to find ways to decrease this level of poverty. Of course people who want to exploit these black women for the causes they otherwise support would instead write a column like the one above.

Luis
Gee did I touch a nerve when I mentioned how your daddy used to visit you at night? You wrote you same old message again, just like always. And just like always, you say everything but the answer to the question.

“That was irony, in case you can't see it, but the reality is that PP is just as dedicated to the elitest, we-know-better-than-you, work of eliminating blacks and hispanics as they ever have been, and if you studied their work you would see it. But you don't want to see it, because it muddies up the purpose that PP is now using to justify the slaughter of babies.” Tuesday, April, 15, 2008 1:30 PM

So what is the proof of this claim?

Wow!
A quote for the ages!

“WE WILL FINISH WITH THE MALE PROSTITUTES”
Luis, Wednesday, April, 16, 2008 1:39 PM

Mike, you are a pathetic, infantile fool
MikeR writes: Wednesday, April, 16, 2008 4:44 PM
Luis
Gee did I touch a nerve when I mentioned how your daddy used to visit you at night?
__________________________

You certainly did touch a nerve when you mentioned how my daddy used to visit me at night! Fond memories of him making sure I was comfortable, especially spiritually, kissing me, reassuring me that he and my mother loved me and that I and my broters and sisters were very special to him and to my mother and to God.

If you meant anything else, you are a pathetic, infantaile fool.

Mike, you are on the defensive or....
MikeR writes: Wednesday, April, 16, 2008 4:44 PM
Luis
Gee did I touch a nerve when I mentioned how your daddy used to visit you at night? You wrote you same old message again, just like always. And just like always, you say everything but the answer to the question.

“That was irony, in case you can't see it, but the reality is that PP is just as dedicated to the elitest, we-know-better-than-you, work of eliminating blacks and hispanics as they ever have been, and if you studied their work you would see it. But you don't want to see it, because it muddies up the purpose that PP is now using to justify the slaughter of babies.” Tuesday, April, 15, 2008 1:30 PM

So what is the proof of this claim?
___________________________________

The proof is that PP places its abortuaries very conveniently disproportionately in minority neighborhoods. Not to mention that a very clever girl from UCLA had a male friend of hers call PP abortuaries claiming to want to donate money but only for the murder of black babies, and PP fell for it, telling him that they would be very happy to accomodate that condition of his donation. Everyone except people who are on the defensive know very well that PP is doing a great job of carrying out Margaret Sanger's racist plans. The blacks on the street still have not rebelled against this, but fortunately blacks like Harry Jackson, Star Parker, and many others are instructing the blacks in the street about this genocide.

Mike, you did not get the quote...

...for the ages right.

MikeR writes: Wednesday, April, 16, 2008 4:46 PM
Wow!
A quote for the ages!

“WE WILL FINISH WITH THE MALE PROSTITUTES”
Luis, Wednesday, April, 16, 2008 1:39 PM
__________________________________

Actually, the quote for the ages is the following:

"WE WILL FINISH WITH THE MALE PROSTITUTES AND THE WHOLE HOMOSEXUAL PROBLEM, THE HOMOSEXUAL DISEASE, THE HOMOSEXUAL PROSELYTIZING OF CHILDREN, THE HOMOSEXUAL PUBLIC FLAUNTING OF THEIR PERVERSIONS, THE CONSTANT HOMOSEXUAL WHINING FOR SPECIAL RIGHTS VERY SOON..."

How did you miss the importance of the rest of the quote? We only mentioned male prostitutes because of your attempted insult. Your insults are weak, pathetic, infantile, the product of someone who has nothing else, who knows that homosexuals want to destroy marriage and the family, two very important institutions in the development of the greatest nation in the history of man, but who as a lib/lefty/homosexual/homosexualist thinks that "progress," as in homosexual "marriage," is cute, is necessary, is, well, "progressive."

MikeR, get informed!!!

Mike, get informed!!!

Dr. Alveda King, niece of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.: "Since 1970, there has been something like 50 million abortions. About 17 million of those have been blacks. It's black genocide. They are killing our people and fooling us."

Last year, The Advocate, a student publication at the University of California - Los Angeles, placed phone calls to Planned Parenthood offices around the country offering to make donations specifically to subsidize the abortion of black babies.

The publication then posted videos on YouTube using audio recordings of calls on which Planned Parenthood officials agreed to accept race-targeted donations.

Luis
I forgot about that “ very clever girl from UCLA [that] had a male friend of hers call PP abortuaries claiming to want to donate money but only for the murder of black babies”. As I recall, after she and her boy friend finished with that, they stepped out into the ally and saw you and a male prostitute engaged in anal sex. Although she found the sight disgusting, she did have to admit that at least it was sterile.

Can’t you do better than fake proof?

As for the Advocate, the made an offer to help provide minorities with gynecological health care that included GYN examinations, treatment of STDs, birth control and (gasp) abortions. All you have provided was false misinformation. Of course clinics are in poor neighborhoods. The middle and upper classes don’t need them.

Hey Luis, I’ve noticed that all the soup kitchens in my town are in poor neighborhoods. This is a deliberate conspiracy to keep rich people from receiving free food!! Oh the humanity!!!

Mike, your desperation makes you...

...say foolish, even stupid things, not to mention infantile and pathetic.

MikeR writes: Friday, April, 18, 2008 10:39 AM
Luis
I forgot about that “ very clever girl from UCLA [that] had a male friend of hers call PP abortuaries claiming to want to donate money but only for the murder of black babies”. As I recall, after she and her boy friend finished with that, they stepped out into the ally and saw you and a male prostitute engaged in anal sex. Although she found the sight disgusting, she did have to admit that at least it was sterile.///YOU ARE A DESPERATE LIB/LEFTY/HOMOSEXUAL/HOMOSEXUALIST, MIKE. A PATHETIC, STUPID, INFANTILE LIB/LEFTY/HOMOSEXUAL/HOMOSEXUALIST AT THAT. RUMORS LIKE THE ONE YOU PRESENT CANNOT BE GIVEN ANY CREDIT, WHILE THIS GIRL AND HER ACCOMPLICE CAN CERTAINLY BE GIVEN CREDIT IN EXPOSING THE RACISM OF PLANNED BARRENHOOD, THAT IS BY INTELLIGENT PEOPLE WHO AREN'T ON THE DEFENSIVE, WHO ARE NOT DESPERATE TO DEFEND THE INDEFENSIBLE.\\\Can’t you do better than fake proof?///AS WE SAID, THAT IS NOT FAKED PROOF. IT IS YOU DESPERATE LIBS/LEFTIES/HOMOSEXUALS/HOMOSEXUALISTS WHO WANT THAT TO BE FAKED PROOF, BUT IS REAL, COLD, HARD, EVIDENCE. AND WHO IS SURPRISED THAT IT SHOWS PLANNED BARRENHOOD TO BE WHAT ITS FOUNDER WANTED IT TO BE?????\\\[continued]

Mike, desperate continued


As for the Advocate, the made an offer to help provide minorities with gynecological health care that included GYN examinations, treatment of STDs, birth control and (gasp) abortions. All you have provided was false misinformation.///NO, AS WE STATED ABOVE, WHAT WE HAVE PRESENTED IS HARD, COLD, EVIDENCE ABOUT THE VICIOUSNESS OF PLANNED BARRENHOOD IN ATTEMPTING TO EXTINGUISH BLACKS.\\\ Of course clinics are in poor neighborhoods. The middle and upper classes don’t need them.///AGAIN, YOU ARE WRONG: WHILE BLACKS HAVE ALLOWED THEMSELVES TO BE CONNED INTO THINKING THAT ABORTION IS THE ONLY SOLUTION TO THEIR PROBLEM MORE THAN OTHER GROUPS, THE MIDDLE AND UPPER CLASSES ALSO 'NEED' PLANNED BARRENHOOD'S SKILLS IN MURDERING BABIES; THE DIFFERENCE BEING THAT MIDDLE AND UPPER CLASS GIRLS AND WOMEN WHO USE PLANNED BARRENHOOD'S SKILLS IN MURDERING BABIES HAVE CARS, WHILE BLACK GIRLS AND WOMEN DON'T, SO PLANNED BARRENHOOD PLACES THE ABORTUARIES IN BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS DISPROPORTIONATELY.\\\

Hey Luis, I’ve noticed that all the soup kitchens in my town are in poor neighborhoods. This is a deliberate conspiracy to keep rich people from receiving free food!! Oh the humanity!!!///THERE IS NO COMPARISON TO PLACING SOUP KITCHENS IN POOR NEIGHBORHOODS TO PLACING ABORTUARIES IN BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS, NONE, NONE AT ALL. THE SOUP KITCHEN CLIENTS DO NOT HAVE CARS TO GET TO THE SOUP AND QUITE OFTEN NO MONEY TO TAKE THE BUS, BUT THE PURPOSE OF THE BLACK GIRLS AND BLACK WOMEN IN GOING TO THE ABORTUARIES IS TO HAVE THEIR BABIES KILLED, NOT TO CALM THEIR HUNGER.\\\

Can’t you do better than fake proof?///THE PROOF IS HARD, COLD, SOLID: PLANNED BARRENHOOD IS STILL CARRYING OUT MARGARET SANGER'S PLANS TO ELIMINATE BLACKS.\\\

IN CASE YOU FORGET
HOMOSEXUALS ARE STERILE

HOMOSEXUALITY IS STERILE

NOTHING FAVORS HOMOSEXUALS

NOTHING FAVORS HOMOSEXUALITY

NOTHING RECOMMENDS HOMOSEXUALS

NOTHING RECOMMENDS HOMOSEXUALITY

HOMOSEXUALS SHORTEN THEIR LIFE EXPECTANCY WITH THEIR SO CALLED SEX

HOMOSEXUALS ARE FRUSTRATED THAT THEIR SO CALLED SEX CANNOT PRODUCE BABIES THE WAY NORMAL PEOPLE'S SEX PRODUCES BABIES

HOMOSEXUALS AND HOMOSEXUALITY, AS A RESULT, ARE THE OBJECT OF DERISION

Luis
Ok, have it your way. The girl and her boyfriend are real and they’re telling the truth. You were in that ally having anal sex with a male prostitute.

Luis
You know, it’s nice for you to finally admit that you are a homosexual. It certainly explains why you know so much about homosexuality and can describe anal sex in such intimate details. Frankly, I never heard such a complete description until we started to correspond.

Luis
Hey, check this out. You contradict yourself twice in a single post. That’s a record for you, isn’t it?

Of course clinics are in poor neighborhoods. The middle and upper classes don’t need them.///AGAIN, YOU ARE WRONG………. THE DIFFERENCE BEING THAT MIDDLE AND UPPER CLASS GIRLS AND WOMEN WHO USE PLANNED BARRENHOOD'S SKILLS IN MURDERING BABIES HAVE CARS, WHILE BLACK GIRLS AND WOMEN DON'T, SO PLANNED BARRENHOOD PLACES THE ABORTUARIES IN BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS DISPROPORTIONATELY Yes, the upper and middle class women don’t need clinics.


MIDDLE AND UPPER CLASS GIRLS AND WOMEN………. HAVE CARS, WHILE BLACK GIRLS AND WOMEN DON'T, SO PLANNED BARRENHOOD PLACES THE ABORTUARIES IN BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS DISPROPORTIONATELY.\\\
THERE IS NO COMPARISON TO PLACING SOUP KITCHENS IN POOR NEIGHBORHOODS TO PLACING ABORTUARIES IN BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS, NONE, NONE AT ALL. THE SOUP KITCHEN CLIENTS DO NOT HAVE CARS TO GET TO THE SOUP AND QUITE OFTEN NO MONEY TO TAKE THE BUS


Is it thinking about homosexual and anal sex that causes you to make such mistakes?

Sarcasm demeans article
Mike...great article which needs to be spread far and wide. But please, edit out the sarcastic quip (i.e., "previously known as March.")


Pope to "Catholic" Colleges
...any appeal to the principle of academic freedom in order to justify positions that contradict the faith and the teaching of the Church would obstruct or even betray the university's identity and mission; a mission at the heart of the Church's munus docendi and not somehow autonomous or independent of it.
Benedict XVI
Address to Educators at the Catholic University of America
April 17, 2008

While the Pope is in America, I hope
that he goes after these "Catholic" universities who allow pro abortion speakers while banning pro life speakers. There is nothing "Catholic" about them. I believe I just read that Star Parker will be allowed to speak. Marymount in NYC is another university that allows pro abortion speakers such as Gerry Ferraro, and I believe that is no longer allowed to call itself "Catholic". I have also read that Georgetown had or has a link for internships with Planned Parenthood, an organization that routinely engages in Catholic bashing. Enough craziness!
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