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Monday, December 03, 2007
Mike Adams :: Townhall.com Columnist
Ebonic Plague: The New Black Death
by Mike Adams
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Bertis English, an Assistant Professor of History at Alabama State University is displeased with my recent column, “Hooked on Ebonics.” He wrote the following to me just a few days ago:

Professor Adams, I just read your piece “Hooked on Ebonics” at Townhall.com, which I receive daily. Though I am, of course, familiar with the general platform of the site, as well as its contributors and readership, I was, frankly, taken aback by the seeming ignorance, rambling et cetera of you—a purported academician— in the referenced piece. One, are you familiar with the development of so-called Ebony Phonics, or Ebonics, particularly its 1970s roots and the acidic issues that were debates among certain Oakland school officials during the 1990s? Two, are you truly serious about having your inquiries answered?

Please, Sir, do the academic world a favor: let the tabloid writers, bigots, supremacists (of any “ethnicity”, nationality, religious denomination, “race”) handle the bias; concentrate on intellectual ideas. I am confident that your students and perhaps some University of North Carolina Wilmington faculty and administrators will be better served by the latter course of action.

Some people who read my humorous columns fail to see their humor. Others do but fail to see their seriousness. Professor English is one of those rare readers appearing to be both humorless and wholly unable to grasp the serious theme behind my sarcastic attack on the notion of ebonics scholarships. I’ve written this column today to Professor English (in English) in an effort to elaborate on the point he seems to have missed.

I begin with an example.

Years ago, in my department, there was a black secretary who simply could not write coherent letters. Of course, as a secretary she would have to write letters to parents, job applicants, and others – all on official university stationery. There were so many misspellings and other grammatical errors in her letters that we had to eventually try to get rid of her. We simply had no use for a semi-literate secretary.

But trying to fire a black secretary is about a hard as getting a gay activist to admit that impersonal sodomy contributes to the spread of AIDS. In fact, come to think of it, the Gay Plague of the 1980s and the Ebonic Plague of the 1990s both relied on enablers masquerading as civil rights leaders. But that’s probably another column altogether.

Our department’s lone enabler of the semi-literate secretary happened to be a white social worker. When asked how he could justify keeping the secretary on our staff he said that her grammar was simply a reflection of her culture and, hence, should not be used against her in making an employment decision.

In other words, she couldn’t do any better because she was black. Or, perhaps, the “liberal” social worker was thinking “That’s just how those people talk.”

It is difficult to hear such a comment coming from a white social worker and not cynically believe that he wants various social problems (like illiteracy or semi-literacy) to remain unsolved. Social workers need social problems because they need jobs. That is why they are so often opposed to simple, common sense solutions.

But it is also difficult to hear such a comment coming from a white man and believe that he is not a racist. I won’t complain if people give him the benefit of the doubt. After all, I used to think Elton John was straight.

Put simply, racism is the main reason why whites refuse to criticize the obvious absurdity of Ebonics.

There is another, and very different, reason why blacks take Ebonics seriously. I proceed with another example.

The other day I was at the gun range zeroing in a 30-06 in preparation for a hunting trip. Apparently, I had bumped the scope and it was firing about a half-inch high and two inches to the right. So I took out a flathead screwdriver, made the necessary adjustments and put three shots into the center of the target in a nice one-inch group – good enough at 100 yards at an outdoor shooting range.

Next, I took out a .40 caliber handgun and started firing at a silhouette target. My shots were consistently pulling just to the right of the ten-ring. Later, I got on the phone and called a friend and he offered a suggestion. The next weekend when he was in town, we went back to the range and I made a minor adjustment and watched a hole grow larger in the target where the ten-ring used to be.

In both cases, it would have been easier to change the rules of the game than it would have been to make adjustments in my own behavior. For example, in the case of the .40 caliber, I could have simply taken down the target and changed the numbers to put the ten-ring in a different location. In other words, I could have simply changed the rules in the middle of the contest.

If you think about it that is what is happening with the concept of Ebonics. Blacks who are performing poorly in the use of the English language – by making systematic errors – are simply announcing a new set of rules, which will require no change in their behavior. “’Dat’ is just like ‘That’” is the same kind of rationalization as “The five-ring is where the ten-ring is supposed to be.”

Put simply, laziness is the main reason why blacks refuse to criticize the obvious absurdity of Ebonics.

Of course, many people will say that it is not politically correct to suggest that some blacks are lazy. But the existence of a stereotype in no way proves the non-existence of cases conforming to the stereotype. There really are gay hairdressers, you know.

I hope Professor Bertis English will take some time to actually respond to the substance of my column. And I hope he is just being lazy and not being racist in his apparent refusal to criticize Ebonics. But his Anglo sounding last name has me a little worried.

On December 6th, Dr. Adams will speak at the University of Georgia, Athens, GA. 7 p.m. in Room 248 of the Student Learning Center.

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Ain't dat?
Dr. Adams, I moved to the US 10 years ago. I was raised in S. America and always believed Americans were racists. It was a shock to me to be mistreated by blacks and very well treated by whites. (I'm of Hispanic origin, so my skin is not lily-white.) I constantly saw whites being ridiculed, mistreated by blacks, and act as if nothing happened. I was puzzled, to say the least! In those 10 years I concluded some –too many—whites feel guilty about blacks. They’ve been brainwashed, since kindergarten, to feel guilty. I can’t understand the reason, since thousands of white men died to free black slaves! And the people who spread the guilty complex –mostly Liberals— are highly racist. They will not admit it under torture, but that’s what they are. They do believe blacks are inferior, like children and have to be cared for. I had a somewhat hazy concept of that idea. Reading Shelby Steele’s books made things clear. Americans not only have been emasculated, but, like in “1984,” the Thought Police has taught us to be very careful not only with our speech, but with our thoughts! I am so glad there are some white men who have the cojones to speak up!

I am black and literate
surprise... surprise...

Just joking.

I do agree that ALL Americans should be able to read/write/speak American Standard English. It's a drawback toward getting gainful employment.




The Black Majority
Savage 99-
The majority of black Americans are counted in the American middle class, and the majority of black Americans speak standard English. What you and others like you who have been posting on this subject refuse to do is to clearly state which black Americans you are speaking about. I have repeated indicated that the black middle class, the black working class, and the black underclass are keenly aware of the varying speech patterns adopted by each respective group. Black people can identify what class people belong to, based solely on recognized speech patterns. This does not mean that those black people who do speak standard English don't bring a distinct tonal quality nor speech inflections to their speech, as do other ethnic groups. But that is part of the American linguistic landscape. It is the black disaffected and the black underclass that you are speaking about with regard to this issue.
But vertually all of you speak as if you are talking about every black person in America or who has ever been in this country. Dispite the bleek statistics that we constantly hear trumpted by talking heads about black people in America - the majority are considered middle class, and the majority speak the same English that everybody else speaks in this country - each according to their ethnic group and according to their class within those groupings.
The "some" you begrudingly admit who speak standard English are really the majority. Those disaffected and underclass black Americans do indeed need education in phonics and language structure, and reading techniques. This has been a major issue that has concerned black educators for decades. The insult lies in the author's approach to dealing with the issue- a "plague"?; "the new black death'? Spare me.

Braveheart
There are black folks who speak good English. One of the early posters, a black person, noted that many of the early black groups that dominated Doo Wop were black and he didn't realize it until he saw them in an NPR documentary. If your point is that blacks are upwardly mobile, that many speak English indistinguishably from anyone else, no one disputes the point. Mr. Adams column makes the point that blacks who speak the language poorly are handicapped thereby. He continues that anyone who defends and perpetuates this situation is not doing anyone any favor. Do you disagree? Are you saying there are no black people who read,write and speak English poorly? Are you saying it is unfair that anyone with poor communication skills presents such a poor first impression he may never get another chance to show his merit? The kindest interpretation i can put on your posts is that some blacks don't have any problem with English. This has nothing to do with a discussion of what is the best solution for dealing with those of any ethnic group with poor literary skills. I see a problem and so I do volunteer tutoring for the Laubach Literary Adult Education group. This seems to me to be more useful than excusing ignorance. Ignorance yields to information and education.

...how come blacks can't speak English?
Laney Bormel - Again I will ask you which "blacks" are you speaking about when you accuse African Americans of not being unable to speak English? Are you speaking of the black people who hold Ph.D's master's degrees, undergraduate degrees? Are you speaking of the middle class doctors, lawyers, MBA's, teachers, architects, fine artists, entreprenuers, who represent more than 50% of black Americans who in less than 50 years have dug their way out of legally enforced, government mandated set-aside proverty that oppressed black people in America for hundreds of years. Are you speaking of the middle class urban and suburban consciencious black home owners? Are you speaking of the millions upon millions of working class laborers who have been the backbone of this nation from it's inception, who speak no other tongue other than English. Are you speaking of Louis Armstrong, Billy Holiday, Ella Fitzgerald, Duke Ellington, Lena Horne, Josephine Baker, Billy Eckstine, Nat King Cole, Sam Cook, Sarah Vaughn, Dinah Washington, Nancy Wilson, Nina Simone, Marion Anderson, Leontine Price, Ray Charles, Miles Davis, Diana Ross, Aretha Franklin, Stevie Wonder, Smokey Robinson, James Brown, Whitney Houston, Roberta Flack, The Temptations, Gladys Knight and the Pips, Little Anthony and the Imperials, or Whitney Houston? Just who specifically are the black people you are
speaking of who "can't speak English." Are you speaking of the millions of African Americans who, to this day use the King James Version of the Holy Bible and can interpret and distinguish between literal and allegorical text? Are you speaking of the black inventors who created the shoe-lasting machine,the elevator, the electric lamp, peanut butter, the refrigerator, the stop-light, first open-heart surgery? For the final time, I will ask you just who specifically are the black Americans you are speaking of who "can't speak English?"

Ebonics
I am afraid i agree with the author regarding social workers, the one quoted in particular. I am an older Social Worker and now they are far too ready to assume a liberal defensive position, when i feel they should adopt; as I have long ago, a conservative, solution-centered practice. I have learned that if it makes no common sense, doesnt work and created negative ramifications for the future, then it is the wrong course of action. There are healthy ways of helping individuals;defending error is not one of them.

lost interpretations
Some, like Braveheart, miss a belying point:
"Our department’s lone enabler of the semi-literate secretary happened to be a white social worker. When asked how he could justify keeping the secretary on our staff he said that her grammar was simply a reflection of her culture and, hence, should not be used against her in making an employment decision."

Now which do you see as a racist and why -- presuming you are proficient hunting them? My street homies and I use expletives every other word. My right is that “shall not” limit my employment, when it’s the way I f*****n speak, crakr. I can speak that way (if I want), but do I need someone to authorize, and condone it in a professional setting – i.e. legitimize it? At some point the speech just speaks for itself. (if you know what I mean.) If you wish to call me on it, or fire me fur it, that translates to “you’re a bigot, racist, stereotyping, supremacist of some kind.” Never mind the image I may represent to others, you are the problem, crakr.


English Disses English
Geez, let's see. If my Yiddish-speaking grear-grandparents never attempted to speak English as it is understood, how successful might they have been in their little grocery store that served neighborhoods where Yiddish was a language from Mars? And what if they hadn't encouraged their children to learn English as it was spoken in the city, state, country to which they had emigrated? Could they have achieved financially well enough to be able to educate their children so that those children could enter a larger world speaking standard English instead of the quirks of immigrant English? And how about the fourth generation with our doctorates and masters degrees? Nobody would ever think us illiterate and unfamiliar with the native tongue.

For people who've been here for almost 400 years, how come blacks can't speak English? Because they don;t care to, I suppose. And so, they participate in their own isolation from the mainstream culture. No excuses.

braveheart
Standing or not.
Reading for comprehension, not slander, would reveal this:

"Of course, many people will say that it is not politically correct to suggest that some blacks are lazy. But the existence of a stereotype in no way proves the non-existence of cases conforming to the stereotype. There really are gay hairdressers, you know."



I call your attention to the word "some" not all. That you try to put motivation, or words in his mouth like says more about you. I get it, if he was black making the statement he'd have immunity. So... in your reasoning, that probably reads "all gays are hairdressers".

The Observation Still Stands...
xpressit, not once did the author of this piece point out, just who among black Americans speaks what he refers to as "ebonics." Not once did he make distinctions between African Americans of different classes, and their respective speech patterns. He projected "the problem" to be color specific - all black. Black people from varying geographical locales and differents class levels, kid one another, makes jokes about one another's speech patterns and peculiar word pronunciation; particularly the black middle class vs the black underclass of any given region, and southern accents vs nothern accents on a national level. However, that does not exclude the black working class from joking about the black middle and the underclass. I lived in Boston for six years. It took considerable effort on my part to learn to understand the speech patterns of everybody, black or white. The author legitmizes the concept of one person, and the so-called scholars that have signed on to the concept as representative of a black cultural movement, or as he puts it a "plague - the new black death."
The study of linguistics among black Americans is far more complex and should be approached in a more detailed fashion than presented in this piece.

The Observation Stands...
xpressit, not once did the author of this piece point out, just who among black Americans speaks what he refers to as "ebonics." Not once did he make distinctions between African Americans of different classes, and their respective speech patterns. He projected "the problem" to be color specific - all black. Black people from varying geographical locales and differents class levels, kid one another, makes jokes about one another's speech patterns and peculiar word pronunciation; particularly the black middle class vs the black underclass of any given region, and southern accents vs nothern accents on a national level. However, that does not exclude the black working class from joking about the black middle and the underclass. I lived in Boston for six years. It took considerable effort on my part to learn to understand the speech patterns of everybody, black or white. The author legitmizes the concept of one person, and the so-called scholars that have signed on to the concept as representative of a black cultural movement, or as he puts it a "plague - the new black death."
The study of linguistics among black Americans is far more complex and should be approached in a more detailed fashion than presented in this piece.

Braveheart
You reminded me a favorite tactic if liberals dont like a topic is to pile on at the end, or get the last word.

BTW:No one said -- except for you: "we all know that all black Americans talk the same, therefore we don't have to differenciate between them, like we do with other identifiable ethnic groups." And I can't figure out what you mean.

"The author's approach is condescending, anecdotal, paternalistic, classist, and yes racist." --You knocking the insight of a teacher is cordial. If it were a liberal teacher, now that is taboo.

It is shameful and shameless
The real sad part of this debate, is that over the period of the last 46 years I have taught in Fla. and Ca. The NEA years ago under pressure from the so called Civil Rights groupings wanted Ebonics to be recognized as a 'real language.' We had seminars for that and we sat like sacrificial lambs being told that this would come about and we must realize it. I continued to teach paragraphs when writing essays in history classes. We even had term papers. Black, blue, polka dot pupils were required to comply. Some failed. But some passed and were not lazy or just plain punks. Of course, the '60's were known for their brilliant cultural, moral and intellectual contributions to America! NOT. So black Americans were treated as PROJECTS in the federal Govt, state education departments and job creation instead of people who could learn like anyone else. Nowadays, we have Juan Williams, Bill Cosby, Armstrong Williams, Thomas Sowell who all have warned the black communites to stop listening to the Civil Rights and Poverty Pimps and institute strong family values , church, education which blacks even had in the bad old days of the Great Depression. Winking at moral, intellectual and arts achievements as if standards did not matter will not help anyone, black or not when one is trying to live a positive contributory life in modern America.

The Title -The Approach - The Outcome
The title of this piece is obtuse. "Plague"?
"New Black Death"? A plague spreads across the land and affects people regardless of race, class, or social standing. Is the author saying that "ebonics" is a plague in black America that has or has not spread to white America? The truth is neither. I remember the first time I heard the term. It was on the TODAY show, the the "author" of the terminology, who I think was from San Francisco was discussing this concept.
And that's just what it is - a concept. Black Americans speak differently according to the their indigenous geographical locale, just like the rest of Americans. Black New Yorkers don't speak like black people from Nashville, and they don't speak like black people from Chicago, who don't speak like black people from Texas. The author's approach is condescending, anecdotal, paternalistic, classist, and yes racist. Did he bother to differentiate between those African Americans in the middle class, working class, and the underclass? No, I guess that wasn't necessary since we all know that all black Americans talk the same, therefore we don't have to differenciate between them, like we do with other identifiable ethnic groups. This guy has no idea what he talking about. He wanted to vent on black America, and found a willing audience.

USA and Group-Based Rights
Did we take a wrong turn back in the 60's?

Somehow we shifted focus from "each individual has a right to equally fair treatment" to "each minority group has a right to an equitable outcome". We've put our country in the position that minority groups are vying for "chief victim" status, fighting for entitlements and preferences based solely on race/ ethnicity/ victimhood. Forty years on, we in America still have no effective defense against the accusation of "racism".

(If we're so utterly racist, how did Bill Cosby become successful? Or Clarence Thomas, Condoleeza Rice, etc? My personal belief is that if even one of the "victim group" achieves success, it demonstrates that any member of that group who is industrious enough, talented/ driven/ stubborn/ strong/ bright/ creative enough, also can succeed.)

Read about the Jena 6 and now the Baltimore 9. We are raising 3rd and 4th generation thugs. Claiming "racism" has worked well so far in extorting benefits and deflecting blame, but at some point America will need to address what to do about these inner-city enclaves where civilization is apparently optional; how are we going to discuss the problems of these "victims" when any attempt will bring new accusations of "racism"?

PS- See Richard Lamm's article "A Plan to Destroy America"
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50 997

There ARE Some Grown Up Blacks Out There

Walter E. Williams comes to mind. And Thomas Sowell, of course. But there are others we don't even know about. They raise families, go to work each day, pay their mortgages on time, and frequently speak with a "black" Southern accent. But they don't especially honor that accent.

People who DO honor that accent

ARE JUST PLAIN IGNUNT!!!!!!!!!!!

PS
Check Dr. William Cosby's comments on the subject.

Very well stated.
My wife, being a college professor (Business) who has had her share of inept communicators (that was the polite way of phrasing it) and one who apparently caused some of her Internet students terminal angst or gnashing-of-teeth when unable to properly pronounce one of those inventive names with a number of apostrophes, hyphens and the like...
I mean, she didn't mean to insult I'ake'sha (or whomever), but, guess she did.
Still, her evaluations remain excellent.

"TOBY COULD WRITE"
My God, James! I haven't heard the term "slave art" in decades! Unfortunatly, the last time I heard about it was durring the latter part of the "civil rights movement" when some of the irreplaceable art was DESTROYED by blacks because it "was racist" to preserve anything from the anti-bellum era.

idontneednostinkingnickname
Southern whites NEVER spoke "ebonics".
BTW, "the war" is over, so get off our backs.

Adams speaks the truth!
Read Thomas Sowells books and when he mentions the black students in his early college classes he bemoans the fact they they do not want to learn. They even tried to belittle him by calling him an "uncle tom".

This from a man who grew up during the "Civil Rights" movement.

Those blacks that wish to learn are dismissed by their peers as whitey or worse. When the racism of the black American disappears eubonics will cease to be an issue.

Chinese/English
Akagi wrote: "In China, if you speak say Minbeihua or Guangdonghua at home, you will still be expected to speak standard Chinese in an educational institution."

By 'standard' Chinese I assume you mean Mandarin.

Certainly requiring adherence to standard spelling and pronunciation in formal settings is essential, but when the standards themselves are inefficient and illogical, everyone loses.

Read nooalf.com

Perfect
Mike Adams is a GENIUS.

No matter the "thought process"
There will always be people who are "headless hearts" who when taking time to read an article which speaks of common sense, well it will not make sense to them. As conservatives, and those of us who profess to be Christians we (hopefully) must model right thinking (Godly) behavior in a thoughtful way. Who knows this common sense way could change a culture from dark to light.

Popular Culture Language - All Black
From the very beginnings of the development of American popular culture, black people have had a heavy influence on the language used, the image projected and the style adopted by those who wanted to be "in the know", "the latest thing", and "hip". Originally, the alternative language construct was two-fold. Whites did not want black people considering themselves their equals, so they demanded that black people not look them in the eye and speak standard English, nor were they allowed to learn to read. Secondly,
black people in varying geographical locales learned to develop a language system whereby they could speak in front of whites, but the whites would not be able to understand. One of the earliest forms of popular culture entertainment was the minstrel show where black men were forced to act like bafoons for white amusement. They used what whites considered black stupidity to pass coded messages to other black people along the minstrel circuit. Alternative black language has become the skeletal form of American popular culture language, dance and music. Every popular culture period has a black overlay. The Charleston era of th '20's - the music and the dance is an imitation of black people. The most popular song of that era was entitled "The Black Bottom." The Jazz era, the big band era, the bobby-soxer jitterbug era, the be-bop beatnik
era, the modern jazz era, rock and roll, disco,and finally hip-hop are all creations from black life, language and culture in America. However the difference with hip-hop is that black adults have complained about it from it's
inception. The language, the look, and the style run counter to everything that has gone before it African American culture. Hip-hop being the exception, would American popular culture be as popular as it is around the world without black language, style and creativity? I think not.

Finally Gestell...
I dont write complex things. I dont understand how come plain basic English is beyond your grasp. NONE of what you have written above in in response to ANYthing I have ACTUALLY said or stated at ANY stage.

I wish you WOULD write "like me" and USE the "many" and "most." Jezzzzz. This is mindless.

Gestell
I recall ONE occasion in which you qualified a statement by "many". And I AGREED with you. I cant recall where you posted it. But that is ALL I ask of you.

And. Drop the condesension. Stop telling me what I am "supposed" to think AS a "true" conservative. It is SO old at this stage. If you truly ARE interested in "conservative" thought, educate yourself on it first. At least know what it is before trying to put your fellow posters into strait jackets of YOUR making.

In addition, Gestell
Why would I have even an "agenda"? Again, you "attribute" motives where none exist.

Gestell
I have made this point before because you KEEP doing the same thing over and over. And it is just as false now as when you first did it.

Your first paragraph shows you STILL dont get it. First, I am NOT asking that do either "(a)" or "(b)" as you have listed in your first paragraph.

Your second paragraph. The fact is that you generally doNT say "many" or "most". That is the PRECISE criticism I have to make of what you write in GENERAL. IF you qualified your many broad and FALSE generalizations about "conservatives" with "many" or "most" or whatever I would have NO problem whatSOever with what you write.

Your last line is extraordinary. How on EARTH do you conclude from ANYthign I write that I wanted "no one to ever discuss anything whatsoever." Absolutely unbelievable.

I merely ask that you use just a SMALL bit of accuracy.

reply to JimmyJoe
I think you've made this point before so I'll reply as I have before: In political polemics it is necessary to generalize. Generalizing is not some sort of primal sin, but rather an essential part of how human beings think. If I'm making apoint against a conservative columnist, it is plainly impossible for me to (a) obtain precise knowledge of every nuance in the opinions of every conservative in the country, or even every conservative TH reader; no one else can do this either. (b)address a large number of specific, nuanced comments to each of those people individually.

So, just like you or anybody else, I'm going to say that "most" or "many" conservatives think or believe x or y about some issue. Or, that a "genuine conservative" should think x or y, or even does think x or y.

If the approach you seem to favor for ideological argument was followed, no one would ever discuss anything whatsoever, which may in fact be your true agenda.

reply to baseballdoc
I followed the Ebonics dispute and the failed effort to get Ebonics put into the Oakland CA school system. The episode makes my point, which you still don't seem to get: there just isn't any serious support for Ebonics out there in the real world. A handful of nuts does not a movement make, and neither does Adams' original example.

The conservative hissy fit over Ebonics gives conservatives something more to rant about. They can add another item to their list of all the horrible things liberals are supposedly doing to education. Conservatives seem to love thinking of themselves as an embattled group of heroes, defending America against all those liberals out there (who are portrayed as having almost supernatural powers to do evil). Since I'm tapped into the Liberal Command Center, I can assure you that Ebonics is not one of our superweapons. So just go ahead and slip into your superhero costume and go back to opposing evolution or some other liberal belief.

Poot'r Sientz
It is now possible to function perfectly well in the technical fields if you learn the new computer language JIVA (tm):

gin = begin
ind = end
bine = add
track = subtract
timz = multiply
aposhin = divide
seerkl = loop
agin = repeat
wile = while
fur = for
itch = each
seppin = exception
seepeeoh = register
claer = declare
blkpwr = exponential
whtpwr = logarithm
twine = string
tween = insert
dude = character
hood = block

It's not really that hard.


Spreading to Japan
AudiR10 writes: Monday, December, 03, 2007 6:51 AM

"Jive
Yes, in those days Ebonics was called Jive.

The Black gentleman (and he was one) that I worked for at the Education Board in Georgia said that the worst failing of Ebonics was that a child who says Ah Axe cannot recognise the words I Ask on a printed page."

Unfortunately, recently in Japan, a girl murdered her father with an axe (true), apparently misunderstanding her mother.

Gestell and Bob_C
Gestell. I refer you to Bob_C's post to truthseeker. I would read in full, but the main point being:

Bob_C: "That is why this country is being so Balkanized - because of fools who make sweeping general statements about their fellow Americans,"

This is addressed to truthseeker, but not just to him, but to ALL who make "sweeping general statements."

Nice one, Bob_C.

truthseeker
I'm sorry, my friend. You're dead wrong if you think ALL Democrats are stupid.

Flaw number one: you have no way to back up your assertion other than your own opinion. Opinion and fact are not the same thing.

Flaw number two. I know a LOT of Democrats who make you look like a drooling moron. You assume, since you read posts from idiots like Dixiecrat and others, that ALL Democrats are like them. Not so. There are millions of Democrats in America who care about this country just as much as you. Quit flattering yourself with your delusion that you and only you have all of the answers.

That is why this country is being so Balkanized - because of fools who make sweeping general statements about their fellow Americans, when in fact they don't know their arse from their elbow.

Rick
Ooh, you found a split infinitive. Aren't you smart? Clearly, that proves Adams is just as illiterate as the secretary about whom he was writing. If that's the best you can do, I'd say Adams wrote a pretty good piece.

animal girl
You are the only woman I know who has PMS all but 4 days of the month.

And, please, stop talking about panties. You don't own a pair.


truthseeker ...

Dixiechick is a young white boy.

I assume he is trying to get a reaction, so he can prove to himself that he is "above" the average white boy. (Hence, a bigot)

He'll pick some comments out of context, copy them, and then show them to his new Black "friends" at the Junior college. Just to prove to them he is not a "common" white bigot.


baseballdoc
"Personally, I believe that prostitution should be safe, legal and plentiful .....COLOSSUS"

Of course you do doc, since that's the only way you could get a woman to spend time with you.

Eh, I always thought it was silly to make it illegal to sell something, if it is perfectly legal to give that thing away for free.

Savage99
Really, Savage? Then tell me: what taxpayer money, where, is he talking about?

The fact is, Adams is NOT talking about any instances of taxpayer money being used to teach Ebonics. He was upset by the name of a scholarship given by a private organization. Which is none of his business, and a stupidly trivial thing to get his panties in a bunch over.

dixie the brain dead
is a racist. but we knew that cus he is a democrap

Anthony,
I notice that you use correct English in your posts, yet defend people whose use of the English language makes them appear to be well... stupid. I've seen your posts and you're nothing but partisan. If the article had been about how poorly whites talk, I don't think you'd be defending them. Well, go ahead, but don't wonder why these can't get a good job.

Van the lib, off base
Van writes: Monday, December, 03, 2007 2:30 AM
Christianist plague
How about Christianist plague where white, heterosexual, evangelical supremacists seek to destroy all epopel and culture thay are not in control of? The true threat to all freedoms in this country is the Christianist plague that seeks to submit everyone under the tyranny of the mediocre, narrowminded and bigoted people like Adams.

Typical Christianist propaganda piece where everything is just simplistic soundbites: talking about laziness. Spreading prejudice and fear is intellectually lazy, but then all fascist movements have resorted to that. Adams is just another supremacist fascist in the line of many.

And poor Adams: he has to constantly prove how he is a man by referring to his preoccupation with guns. Poaying with guns doesn't make you more of a man
___________________________________________

Van, you want to believe that Adams is 'poor Adams,' but he is not: He is a great man who is courageous, among his other virtues, and is helping to expose the lib/lefty nonsense for what it is. He has no preoccupation with guns: He uses them for hunting, a noble pursuit, and to let people, the foaming at the mouth libs/lefties, know not to try to get too close to him for ulterior motives. And, finally, HE DOESN'T NEED TO MAKE HIMSELF INTO MORE OF A MAN, HE IS ALREADY VERY MANLY--but you limp wristed, effeminate libs/lefties who spend your time homosexualizing, promoting and defending homosexuality, wouldn't know about that.

GO GET 'EM, MIKE! GOOD FOR YOU! WE NEED YOU TO KNOCK DOWN THESE LIB/LEFTY FOOLS.

FYI - God is Not a Bigot
For all you white Delusional people: God is Not a Bigot

FYI - God is Not Bigot
For all you white Delusional people: God is Not Bigot

Mike
But what problem do they have with English?

From ACU: http://capwiz.com/acu/issues/alert/?alertid=10601676&type= CO

Four years ago, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) sued the Salvation Army for its English-only policy in the workplace. It lost when a federal judge in Boston ruled it was a reasonable effort "to promote workplace harmony." Not willing to accept this judgment, the EEOC has sued the Salvation Army again.

This time, the case involves two employees in a Framingham, Massachusetts thrift store. They were given one-year notice that they should speak English on the job. When they refused, they were fired. The EEOC says this is discrimination "based on national origin." And without this amendment, the same thing could happen right in your city, regardless of your state laws.

AudiR10 writes:
"And it is so true about not being able to fire a Black woman."

I worked for an interpreting service a few years back. It was a pretty good gig for a college student...decent pay, easy work, laid-back controlled environment, you could do your homework or play video games in between calls. There were only a couple of flies in the ointment.

One were the militant gay employees simultaneously whining, while terrorizing anyone who who put off by their gross language and behavior... and the other were some black employees whose speech was totally incomprehensible not only to their coworkers, but to our customers.

In one instance, after multiple complaints, one of the linguistically challenged young ladies was called before the supervisor and informed that the company was expected to provide better service to the customer, or soon there would be no customers...and no company.

When she returned to the cubical, she expressed concern for her continuing employment...to which her equally challenged friend declared:
"Dey cain't farr you. You black."

She was right. She didn't get fired and 7 months later the company closed down and was liquidated.

Unfortunately, a true story.

Rudyard Kipling Liberals?
Take up the White Man's burden--
Send forth the best ye breed--
Go, bind your sons to exile
To serve your captives' need;
To wait, in heavy harness,
On fluttered folk and wild--
Your new-caught sullen peoples,
Half devil and half child.

Take up the White Man's burden--
In patience to abide,
To veil the threat of terror
And check the show of pride;
By open speech and simple,
An hundred times made plain,
To seek another's profit
And work another's gain.

Take up the White Man's burden--
The savage wars of peace--
Fill full the mouth of Famine,
And bid the sickness cease;
And when your goal is nearest
(The end for others sought)
Watch sloth and heathen folly
Bring all your hope to nought.

Take up the White Man's burden--
No iron rule of kings,
But toil of serf and sweeper--
The tale of common things.
The ports ye shall not enter,
The roads ye shall not tread,
Go, make them with your living
And mark them with your dead.

Take up the White Man's burden,
And reap his old reward--
The blame of those ye better
The hate of those ye guard--
The cry of hosts ye humour
(Ah, slowly!) toward the light:--
"Why brought ye us from bondage,
Our loved Egyptian night?"
Rudyard Kipling would be a liberal today telegating another race to victimhood, and demanding Hillary's Village take care of their untermenschen charges. The Caucasian, Capitalist, Constitutionist,or Conservative borgeoise kulaks pay exorbitant reperations to the government bureacrats and wealthy demigogues that will fix the problem. Mike Guy

Dixiecrat
--Again Hate sells. The reason why Hate Radio/Right Wing Radio do so well in America, is because of the racial tension between whites and blacks. The Poor Disenfrancise White Majority, Victims of the Liberal Media.


Your analogy is delusional unless you can show where “right wing” radio et al is promotes, instigates, or coerces racial tension between whites and blacks. (then does well because of it) On the other hand, liberals on radio …oh, never mind. I bet blacks would [not] say they are never victimized by MSM's liberal media. By the way, I also see being used and/or taken for granted as being victimized.

Hate may sell, if you say so, but you failed to show the connection with right wing radio. Unless anything you dislike is labeled hate. And that is what drives Republican votes? How is stereotyping Republicans, white ones at that, and taking the black vote for granted, any different than from the view of blacks (African Americans) being victimized? “Poor disenfranchised white majority” also has no merit, since liberal media stereotypes many, not just whites. Political correctness is not a cure all.


anthony
Anthony writes:And although I believe the lack of "personal responsibility" is definitely a contributing factor to what you mention, I also understand that a racist judicial system, the decimation of manufacturing jobs in the inner city, and a poorly structured educational system also contribute to these problems. But of course, you don't care about those things "wiseone".
____________________________________________
Both of us live in Phila, I live on the borderline of Germantown and W Mt Airy. And what you miss is key element is culture; the habits of people; a culture that rewards single parent families of young people is doomed to failure;
you talk of poorly structured educational system.
What are you talking about. IF put you in charge of phila school system you will pull out of your pocket a plan for the correct structure.
Yet you vote for the dems who will do nothing to change this structure.
I am first generation; grew up poor; the combined income of my son and his wife is $400,000. And that comes for the cultural habits I acquired from immigrant parents and then inherited by my children.
And that is what you and the liberals do not get; you look for miracles from the govt.

English?
Prof English (you must be joking) is just another sap hiding behind a PhD so they don't have to get a real job. This racist is simply trying to keep blacks in their place by supporting a non-language. We should encourage everyone to strive and better themselves. Excusing this farcical language won't help blacks in this country or anywhere else in the world. If you cannot communicate, you go nowhere, regardless how profound your thought. English just shows you can get a PhD in this country today simply by ensuring your tuition check doesn't bounce. Thank God Justice Thomas didn't buy into this nonsense.

Keep us laughing Mike.

Po' Dixiecrat
Yous jez bein' mean to ole Dixiecrat, he just havin de black folk bes intrest in his minds.

Why fi it won't fo folk like Dixiecrat, dem black folks woulda been done assimi-, assimi-, oh der we go agin, you be knowing what I is tryin to say, you see dey would be done fitt in wid de rest'o merica.

Stop all this nonsense
America is a land of souless heathens. Come to Dubai where all are welcomed especially homosexuals, transexuals, bisexuals, polygamists, beastilists, feminists, child molesters, welfare queens and kings, and other Democratic supporters. Head chopping may or may not apply.

Holding minorities down
Some day Hispanics and Blacks will look at the state of education in big cities and realize that every bad school board has been under Democratic control for every decision that negativley affected education for minorities.

The least important factor is class size. A class of 30 can learn as well as a class of 20 if the students are disciplined and anxious to learn. Teaching Hispanics in "bi-lingual" classes and blacks in Ebonics does more to hinder their ability than throwing them in a classroom with 100 students.

Expect little from them, give them excuses to fail, tell them the man will not let them succeed no matter how hard they work, don't supsend kids who disrupt class or even threaten or insult the teacher, stress the importance of two mommies over correct spelling, don't forget to make sure that they can put on a condom, even if they don't know where an apostrophe goes - those little apostrophes are so comfusing its not worth learin what theyre for - teach them in languages other than standard English, tell them that spelling is arbitrary and it doesn't matter if they spel it rite as long as peeple understan, and you just condemned the next generation to poverty.

Oh, yeah. Make sure you oppose vouchers because otherwise they may have a slight chance of getting a better education.

nice try bob c
read the posts of the democrats. like van and animal girl. if you don't think they are dumber than a box of rocks then your not the thinker you think you are and are dumber than a box of rocks also or a dem masquerading as a thinker in which case refer to above. and alllllllllll dems are both stupid and evil

Deornwulf Set Record Straight
Deornwulf writes to Mac, "That was the point I was trying to make. I was not enabling silly talk, I was talking about how silly the enabling is."

Fair enough. Sarcasm is nearly invisible in print.

Answer to Stupidcrat

We tried hard, very hard to leave your country. We declared OUR independence, but no, you Yankees just wouldn't get it. We don't like you either. Would have been better for both of us if you had gone back to sleep.

Good Bye

and Sayonara, too.

Stars and Bars forever......



TOBY COULD WRITE
There are times in adulthood when it is best to be cordial and polite. Several years ago visiting the Carolinas such an occasion occurred. At that time I was introduced to a couplet of thought I previous could never imagine. The host displayed many extraordinary antiques and objet de art among them was a pre-Civil War jug with etches of scribbles and mixed capitalizations. The prideful host exclaimed that this was a sample of “slave art” To my northern wings the notion of slavery and art just does not make sense; but, nevertheless, I learn from our host that there is a considerable collectors market – with or without Sotheby or Christies – for slave art. The significance of the jug was proof that Toby – a long dead plantation slave - could read and write; ergo, slavery life wasn’t so bad for plantation blacks because “Toby could write!” Democrats I find would confirm this logic while to me the response is “This is disgusting!”

Dixiecrat Failed Math
Dixiecrat offers, "Hate, Fear, and Greed = Republican Vote. Again Hate sells. The reason why Hate Radio/Right Wing Radio do so well in America, is because of the racial tension between whites and blacks."

Democrats vote out of hate. Their entire platform is Anti-something. That is why their movies do so poorly. America wants something to love and Democrats thrive on something to hate.

Republicans vote for love of country.

If you must do the math, do it correctly, hate, fear and greed = a Democrat vote.

Dixiecrat

I see you are white. Living off of a white daddy's wealth. With little knowledge of the real world around you.

Please don't pretend to be something you're not. You sound extremely naive and childish.

Try moving to Watts, and then write us a letter :)


GESTELLE*

.....I don't remember writing anything in my post about black guys ...EMINEM is white btw ...

.....I believe Jesse Jackson was working with the Oakland School Board about incorporating "Black English" (Ebonics) into the school curiculum ...

.....Don't be intellectually lazy Gestelle* ...Google Oakland School Ebonics .....COLOSSUS

Wasting educational dollars
I live in Alaska where urban school districts are funded by property tax-payers and rural school districts are funded through state programs usually funded by oil royalty taxes and other user taxes.

The Lower Kuskokwim School District in 1996 decided to go with an Yupik (the language of the Native peoples of that region) immersion program for kindergarten and beyond. They tout it as a way to save the Yupik language and a way to produce bi-lingual kids. Of course, some people thinks it's the greatest thing since Ebonics and others don't like it.

This summer we met a family from Bethel and it became obvious that their children are barely able to read English and cannot write in it. I guess they're fluent in Yupik, but their spoken English is village English, which is significantly different from the English we speak. The parents had decided to move to Fairbanks because they are concerned their high schooler won't be able to study wildlife biology (her dream) if she remains in Bethel.

Yeah, that could be a problem, since most University of Alaska classes are conducted in English.

This is America, folks! Why are we failing against other nations in education? We KNOW why!

My Political Incorrect Statements
White Southerns did more harm to this country than any terrorist.

American would be a better place without White Southerns.

The World would be a better place without White Southerns.

See, We liberals also hate Political correctness.

Anthony Thomas Seeks Balance
Anthony Thomas asks, "I guess my question is, why do individuals like your self and other Th posters overly criticize blacks, while turning a blind eye to the "dirty laundry" of other cultures, particularly white culture?"

We do not turn a blind eye to our "dirty laundry". We speak of them directly and address them as Liberals.

Persephone
You mean Time and CNN aren't credible, unbiased sources. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you. I'm sure we can come up with an equally impressive list of agregious acts by dems/liberals-they do have the only Klan member in their party, right? Their leading presidential candidate has tossed around the N word and hates jews-just need the MSM to report it.

Hate, Fear, and Greed = Republican Vote
Again Hate sells. The reason why Hate Radio/Right Wing Radio do so well in America, is because of the racial tension between whites and blacks. The Poor Disenfrancise White Majority, Victims of the Liberal Media.

Evil men will do the same thing in Iraq. The Sunnis and Shiites Divide. They will use the tension between the two groups to gain power (politically or financially).

The sad thing is that people will continue to allow these Evil Men to use them like puppets.

Hate, Fear, and Greed. Do not fall victim to these things.

Dixiecrat
Nobody listens to liberal radio because the "folks" (using O'Reilly's phraseology) will not listen to liberal bs. Political correctness is bs. I am very proud of the fact that my children chose to become College Republicans to perpetuate the fight against liberalism and political correctness. Conservatism rules....

Dixiecrat
I practice law in Washington, DC. I see black professionals with exceptional language skills unexpectedly devolve into phrases like "I gotta gets me minz" or "I been axing bout dat" when speaking to blacks from a lower socio-economic status. Amazing phenomenon. Does my observation make me a racist?

Bart
The saddest part is not that it will fall upon deaf ears, but that those who most need to read it cannot because it was not written in ebonics.

Dixiecrat: Bad Analogy
"Evil men will do the same thing in Iraq. The Sunnis and Shiites Divide. They will use the tension between the two groups to gain power (politically or financially)."

In Iraq, Sunni's do not show their disapproval of Shiites by killing fellow Sunnis (or the reverse), but here in America, 97% of black murderers are fellow black Americans, not racist "white-folk." Explain that please?

To everyone
Dixiecrat is obviously a disturbed and VERY uninformed pimple-farmer. Perhaps it's that Midol time of the month. Best to ignore her.

Professor Adams
Great article; however it will fall on deaf ears in most places in America today. Most Unfortunate.

Dixiecrat
If it is hate that sells, then why can't Air America turn a profit. Every one of their shows specializes in hate of Bush and the republicans. Since hate is common between them (according to you) they should be both doing quite well. But you need substance to sell. Liberal radio contains nothing of substance, just empty rhetoric. When polls or statistics disprove your assertions, you either scream louder, or change the subject.

Txn Engneer
Respectfully, what is good about this?

Ebonics ???

I love how Democrat Bigots try to spoon-feed nonsense to Black America.

It's like asking a parent to raise their children as circus freaks.

Hate sells
Hate sells. The reason why Hate Radio/Right Wing Radio do so well in America, is because of the racial tension between whites and blacks. The Poor Disenfrancise White Majority, Victims of the Liberal Media.

Evil men will do the same thing in Iraq. The Sunnis and Shiites Divide. They will use the tension between the two groups to gain power (politically or financially).

The sad thing is that people will continue to allow these Evil Men to use them like puppets.

Hate, Fear, and Greed. Do not fall victim to these things.

Akagi
I didn't see the Chavez article so I can't speak about the comments that were posted there. Dixiecrat made a comment about all the "white supremacist comments" posted on this article. However, as we can all see...he's either an idiot with a comprehension problem or a cut & paste lib robot with no ability of independent thought.

Sho' nuff
Dat mean ole massuh adams dun stotted anuver contra- contra, uh, you knows whut I means.


Dixiecrat, your god:
trees and aborted "fetuses"

Dixiecrat, WE DON"T CARE
about whatever liberal articles or nonsense that you put up masquerading as "fact",what are you so excited about that you keep insistently repeating your mantra of the day-

We get it, you think that ALL Republicans are "racists". How original.


YouTube - Southern Strategy
YouTube is Great!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0XxvaulOHs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Gb6t9MztyY

Racism
My post vanished, but Icedog, there were quite a few racist posts to the column by Linda Chavez supporting the President's immigration reform efforts--posts she incorporated in her next column and by the same types that regularly attack me here.

And TE:

There are banks etc that cater to various ethnic groups. If you were a native speaker, which language would you rather do commerce in, your native language or the language you were still learning?

And they do assimilate. In the 19th Century there were major German newspapers in the US and entire regiments of Germans in the Civil War, with commands on the battlefield given in German.

Not too many German newspapers these days in places like Kentucky.

The children of today's immigrants, legal and illegal do learn the language and the culture. What does assimilation mean anyway? If someone still eats mantou, does that make them unassimilated?

Dixiecrat
Wow, you have an incredibly serious comprehension problem and a bad habit of taking thinks out of context to try to prove your point.

Run along and go back and play with the little ones.

Race remains a ‘defining factor’
Race remains a ‘defining factor’ in American politics

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/12982.html

"Consider voting in last year’s Congressional elections. Republicans, as President Bush conceded, received a “thumping,” with almost every major demographic group turning against them. The one big exception was Southern whites, 62 percent of whom voted Republican in House races.

And yes, Southern white exceptionalism is about race, much more than it is about moral values, religion, support for the military or other explanations sometimes offered. There’s a large statistical literature on the subject, whose conclusion is summed up by the political scientist Thomas F. Schaller in his book “Whistling Past Dixie”: “Despite the best efforts of Republican spinmeisters to depict American conservatism as a nonracial phenomenon, the partisan impact of racial attitudes in the South is stronger today than in the past.”


A RACIST PARTY WITH A RACIST STRATEGY
A RACIST PARTY WITH A RACIST STRATEGY: THE REPUBLICANS
http://www.vernonjohns.org/rosemary1246/repubs.html

Dixiecrat, haven't you noticed
that not too many posters here wish to pay you the attention that you seem to be craving with your silly little comments and "insults".
You remind me of an annoying little kid that won't stop bugging the older kids until he gets punched in the mouth.


Mac
That was the point I was trying to make. I was not enabling silly talk, I was talking about how silly the enabling is.

Dixiecrat
Still waiting for you to point out the numerous "white supremacist comments" made by conservatives on this article.

Or were you just resorting to your typical liberal debate methods.......

Language of Commerce
is not necessarily English in the USA. Here in Southern California, we have a huge parallel economy that speaks Spanish. The stores cater to Spanish-speakers, their signs are in Spanish, and their radio stations speak Spanish-only, including the advertising.

At least here, it is not necessary to learn English to get along and prosper. Many very successful business speak no English, only Spanish.

There are also smaller local economies of other ethnic groups.

Greater Los Angeles is not a melting pot. It is a collection of separate enclaves: Thai Town, Korea Town, Little Tokyo, Little Saigon, etc. and etc. It is no longer necessary to learn English and assimilate to thrive or even survive.

Your God - Ronald Reagan

Back to the Oakland Resolution"
"...and to facilitate their acquisition and mastery of English language skills..."

And just how has that(Ebonics)been working out for us?

Apparently the theory that ebonics is a useful tool towards mastery of English has shown it is just the antihesis of such a method. The proper method of learning the English language is to emmerse onself it in, and practice using it by reading literature written properly, and writing our own theses, themes, etc, using the same.

Practice really does make perfect.

Dixiecrat / Krugman
Dixiecrat wants us to consider reading a Paul Krugman column, "Republicans and Race."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/19/opinion/19krugman.html

The Reason you Vote "Republican"

Thanks, Dixiecrat, for reminding me why I'm a conservative. And thanks for reminding me to send a check to Townhall.com.

Difference of degree, not of type
TxGirl astutely points out: "There seems to be a big difference between ebonics and regional dialects that pro-ebonics libs are missing: there are not any politicians or lobbyists trying to have them taught in schools or pushed through as proper forms of English. And, for the most part, regional dialects are seen as blue collar, redneck, and so on."

The difference between "Ebonics" and "regional dialects" is about the same as the difference between "British English" and "Liverpool accent." Ebonics describes a general category of dialects that appear almost entirely within the black community; but they're just dialects of English.

In communities where a single dialect dominates, that dialect is often taught as "proper English." (You'll have to try to imagine a woman with a strong drawl for the example that follows.) I remember listening to a math teacher at my kids' private school in Alabama talk dismissively of the public schools "where you have to sit with the (forbidden word here denoting mental incapacity), who say 'doh' instead of 'doh-er,' and 'floh' instead of 'floh-er.'" I held my peace, but badly wanted to tell her how I felt about my kids having to learn from the (same forbidden word here) who say "doh-er" instead of "door," and "floh-er" instead of "floor."

Anybody who wants to get an interesting perspective take on some black views of ghetto talk, might check out the movie "Akeelah and the Bee." It's a fun movie, and establishes that blacks can easily learn to speak comprehensible English if they're simply expected to.

(Unrelated to this topic, please read my political blog site, "Squaring the Culture", at http://www.plumbbobblog.com. Thanks.)

Learning to talk right
Who comes out of the womb speaking perfect English? Anybody here?

We all have to go through the process of having our grammar, spelling, and pronunciation corrected by our teachers and parents. You can't continue to say "Buskeddi" instead of spaghetti and expect to be taken seriously.

"Ebonics" is purely a product of those who wish to maintain a form of segregation between whites and blacks (Democrats, of course, the party OF segregation). This segregation is far more insidious, because the victims of this segregation are proudly supporting it as a part of their "identity".

Lets be clear: race has nothing to do with how a person talks or writes. Even if there is a separate language called "Ebonics", it does not change the fact that the language of commerce in America is English.

Republicans and Race
Republicans and Race:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/19/opinion/19krugman.html

The Reason you Vote "Republican"

Inkling
Yes, so "A" typical of liberals (and many politicos) not to aknowledge adverse results of their actions. (I suppose its like evolution, "just deal with it", stuff)

A move for a permanent underclass
Forty years ago my uncle was involved in a minor controversy in Orange County California. It was fairly early in the bilingual language controversy that swept the California public school systems. When some supporters of teaching kids in Spanish demanded that the schools set up a two track system so that those who could not speak English could get by with limited, or no, proficiency in the national language of the United States he supported them. His reasoning was that, in the end, his kids would end up in management positions and the others would end up picking lettuce. A widespread lack of language skills results in a permanent dependant underclass. It doesn’t matter if the victims of this delusion speak Spanish or Ebonics.

Oh,perhaps you should read "Black Rednecks and White Liberals."

I took a class on teaching English...
...back when I was considering changing my major to Education, in 1975 or so. The professor was a staunch defender of teaching Black English as a separate language, and made us read a book that explained the consistent grammatical structure of Black English.

I remember having a long discussion with him after class once. I conceded the point that Black English has its own, valid structure; but I observed that teaching blacks only their own English A) guaranteed a segregated society, in which whites and blacks would be unable to communicate, and B) disadvantaged blacks economically, since they'd have to learn a foreign language in order to participate in the predominantly white economy.

I'll never forget the conversation. The professor and his assistance were literally incapable of hearing my arguments. They continued to argue that Black English is a perfectly valid language -- even after I loudly CONCEDED the point three times.

This was a milestone in my conversion from liberalism, when I realized these folks couldn't even begin to consider the social implications of the position they were defending.

(Unrelated to this topic, please read my political blog site, "Squaring the Culture", at http://www.plumbbobblog.com. Thanks.)

A Big Difference
There seems to be a big difference between ebonics and regional dialects that pro-ebonics libs are missing: there are not any politicians or lobbyists trying to have them taught in schools or pushed through as proper forms of English. And, for the most part, regional dialects are seen as blue collar, redneck, and so on. Otherwise, comics like Jeff Foxworthy and Chris Rock would have to find new material.

Racists
Icedog:

There were various posted on the Linda Chavez column that supported the Bush immigration plan--comments she added to her next column. The usual suspects that attack me constantly.

onceamarine
"By the way, one of the "things" that is most hurtful to the black community right now is the migrant Tsunami of cheap low cost wage foreigners. They hurt most Americans now but particularly the minority communities."

I agree. I watched the Gop youtube debate last week and I think it was Rep. Tom Tancredo that had one of the best quotes of the night when he said "I reject the idea that there are some jobs that some Americans won't take".

I think you can find a native born Americans to occupy any job in this country

English
So DavidM is it "ridiculous when governments pass laws requiring non-Chinese classes and signs posted in Taiwan?"

If it is ridiculous when governments pass laws requiring non-English classes and signs posted in the US it should work both ways no?






Dixiecrat
Would you please point to the numerous "white supremacist comments" - instead of just spewing liberal rhetoric.

Ebonics
An inescapable fact is that the basis of ALL learning is the language in which the subject is being taught, and at least for a while, in the United States of America, that is English, not Spanish or Farsi. or Ebonics.

Another inescapable fact is " The more you learn, the more you earn", but when people know that " th' govmint" is going to hand it out to them, they don't have to learn, or earn for that matter.

But in years gone by, I encountered a high school English teacher, with a Masters Degree in Elementary Education and one in English. But when she tried to tell me about asking a question of a struggling student, she said
"Axe". When I questioned her about it, I soon saw that it was a losing battle, and as I left, I told her that it was no wonder that she couldn't teach English because she didn't speak it. BTW, the student suddenly became an A student. I know, he is my son.

The Old Coot

Most countries
tribb:

Have international signage so you don't need words at all for things like stop.

But I agree, anyone traveling in Taiwan should be required to read Chinese before entering.

To be fair, there are signs that in text are in Chinese-only e.g. rang for yield, but for the person complaining about bilingual signs, have anyone seen a stop sign that says both Stop and Alto?

There are bilingual sings in stores--e.g. Wal-Mart, HomeDepot, who cares?


Gestell
So as we (you) do not to misrepresent the issue at hand in Ebonics.
See Oakland resolution: i.e.the legislation as originally drafted:

"BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the Superintendent ... shall immediately devise and implement the best possible academic program for imparting instruction to African-American students in their primary language for the combined purposes of maintaining the legitimacy and richness of such language... and to facilitate their acquisition and mastery of English language skills..."

For a non-starter, it got fairly far. Your quest for names of black intellectuals, academics as proponents may be the real non-starter. Your paradox over who is to blame should, more aptly, rest on groupthink and whatever method(s) that takes. Does it really matter whom if the group decides this is in the agenda? The same concept applies in our government to officials and politicians who often hide behind groupthink. The idea, or its appeal, is that no one person is then accountable … in the end, it just is.

onceamarine
Thank you very much for your post,and of course, your service. Both are greatly appreciated.

racist propaganda
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20030127/mcwhorter

"Southern bosses had long used racist propaganda and vigilantes to foment strife between black and white workers, with the goal of keeping the unions weak and wages depressed. The aim of those powerful business interests was to roll back the New Deal. Roosevelt had posed many challenges to corporate omnipotence, and the boldest of them was Section 7(a) of the 1933 National Industrial Recovery Act, which guaranteed workers the right to organize and bargain collectively. The same representatives of organized money who spearheaded the vicious campaign against Roosevelt became the brain trust of the Dixiecrat Party. That in turn morphed into the segregationist resistance of the civil rights era and is now the Republican Party of what was once the Solid (Democratic) South."

Wake the Hell up White America!

Racists like writing about race
One thing I know from reading the columns here at townhall.com is that racists like talking and writing about race.

If I go to white supremacist website, I bet the comments are similar to the ones here at townhall.com.

You former dixiecrats now republicans. I bet most of you/your parents were Democrats before before everything started to get integrated.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20030127/mcwhorter

You people live your lifes by Fear, Hate, and Greed. What a sad group of people.

religiouslib, re:your 12:42
post, you make a few good points there, however it is not just "the kids" in black culture who are speaking that way. They LEARN it at home.

My two middle children are bi-racial, and they caught holy h@ll from black classmates who would routinely shun and sneer at them for the way that they spoke.

There is a world of difference indeed, between Caribbean and African blacks and native born "African-Americans", the former being work obsessed and holding down on the average more than one job and the latter being raised generally to believe in entitlements and victimhood. And before I get attacked for my statements and generalities, let me say that there are always exceptions, but my observations still remain what they are.

Townhall Racists
One thing I know from reading the columns here at townhall.com is that racists like talking and writing about race.

If I go to white supremacist website, I bet the comments are similar to the ones here at townhall.com.

You former dixiecrats now republicans. I bet most of you/your parents were Democrats before before everything started to get integrated.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20030127/mcwhorter

You people live your lifes by Fear, Hate, and Greed. What a sad group of people.

Dual Languages on Signs
David M

My sentiments exactly. Instead of putting dual languages on signs people should just learn that S T O P means stop. That shouldn't be too difficult. If they have to find something on a map, it is written in English so that shouldn't be too diffiuclt either. Where I live there are over 20 different languages in the local schools.
Wow this article has had so many posts I just don't have time to read them all.

Anthony Thomas

A very good retort. You have displayed reasoning and measured analysis along with common sense.

I, for one, applaud your post and while there may be missing elements, I want you to know that this kind of participatory posting is welcome.

Your point of view is valid. Stay with us. We can both learn somethings.

Just don't, please, be as adamant as some of your adversaries are or appear to be. Breakthroughs of all kinds can be found where there is a will.

By the way, one of the "things" that is most hurtful to the black community right now is the migrant Tsunami of cheap low cost wage foreigners. They hurt most Americans now but particularly the minority communities.

I saw the hate in Atlanta, Georgia among local blacks for the Latino people back in 2003 when my son was surgically intervened. I also saw blacks from the Caribbean islands and from Africa who had better jobs than did the local black population because they had educated themselves.


C'mon ...
...everyone knows that bi-lingual education is a jobs program for Hispanics. Blacks looked at Hispanics getting funded to speak Spanish to Hispanic students, so they figured why not a jobs program for blacks to speak Ebonics to black students?

No serious American chooses Ebonics
I can’t help but notice that when immigrants arrive and become acclimated to our culture, they do not choose to learn Ebonics. Hmm, could that be part of the reason why Asian immigrants succeed at finding jobs before some black Americans even get out of the starting gate?

Get a clue, Professor English. You and Van should be thanking Dr. Adams instead of criticizing him.

religiouslib
You must live in the midwest....if you ever actually heard so-called "ebonics" you would never try to compare it to a regional accent. Ebonics is not simply a difference in enunciation....not until you have to spend five minutes trying to order a simple lunch will you start to truly grasp the issue.


Agaki: When in Rome
That was an interesting encounter you described in the Chinese restaurant. Although communication in Chinese was difficult if not impossible due to differences in dialects, you both were able to communicate effectively in English and successful commerce.

This is a peculiarly American phenomenon. I have traveled to several other English speaking nations, and none of the blacks in Australia or New Zealand, or England, or Canada for that matter, sounded anything different than the white dialects in those countries. This was in casual conversation, and even overhearing several blacks talking to each other while waiting in queues ahead of me.

As an earlier poster said, there is no chance for employment or commerce if you cannot read and write in the English of business and commerce.




Really now Gestell
--I've been too subtle. What I'm saying is that the Ebonics issue is a non-issue. American universities are not about to be overwhelmed by advocates of Ebonics; your children's higher education is not going to be conducted in Ebonics.--

Now you seem to be changing your arguments (being subtle or not), which I have no time for.

**I don't know how you turn my earlier post into anything like advocacy of Ebonics, which I think is an example of the proverbial tempest in a teapot. "

Did I really? Advocacy of Ebonics, really? -- No. You did wander on excusing slang and dialect etc. What I did was reply to your “original” argument.

Black Rednecks et cet
A.T., you should actually read the book. I did, and drew the conclusion Dr. Sowell did: the attitude and language usage is largely responsible for the lack of success by US blacks.

Further, Dr. Sowell shows that the same results occur in other societies, notably England, among non-black persons. People of Pallor, if you will. From the Caucasian Persuasion. So, the result is not, and cannot, be due to one's genetic code.

All of this - Ebonics, gansta culture, hip-hop, etc. - is another manifestation of the U.S. systems. Specifically, our society generates so much success for some, that we can afford (financially, at least) to carry those who refuse to act, dress, learn, speak, and do what is necessary to carry their own weight.

Makes me proud to be an American.

And I agree with the post above that one's dialect can be an impediment. My native dialect is South Texan - with a serious drawl, yall. I also found it to be a distinct disadvantage after college, while working in a multi-national firm. So I improved myself, and quickly. I now speak proper English, and fluently. But I still hang with my old buddies, and we speak with South in the Mouth at every opportunity. I can recommend the books by Lewis Grizzard for those who want a sample.


boston eubonics
pawk the cah in the yahd

translation (park the car in the yard)

when whites talk in cultural lingo it is cute and acceptable

when blacks do it is a symptom of hatred towards whitey and lack of proper education.

the underlying assumption is so wrong as to be absurd.

wiseone
"Maybe you can recite for me the names of the white NFL players that have been arrested (and suspended by the league) for violent criminal behavior compared to all of the blacks in the NFL who have been arrested, suspended, tested positive for drugs, etc."


Well one, the NFL is 70 percent black, so just by sheer numbers you're not only going to have more violent criminal behavior by black NFL players, but more of everything by black NFL players. This includes blacks who own rushing records, receiving records, tackling records, and those in the Hall of Fame.

Also let’s not pretend illegal and immoral behavior in sports is something specific to blacks. Ever hear of Pete Rose, Mark Mcgwire or Jose Canseco? Or how about the NBA referees who have been charged for betting on games that they have coached.


"And maybe you can also explain why blacks, who comprise only 12% of the population, comprise the majority of violent felons AND the majority of rappers."

Well unlike individuals like you, I understand that these problems are complex, and cannot be simplistically answered with conservative clichés like "personal responsibility". And although I believe the lack of "personal responsibility" is definitely a contributing factor to what you mention, I also understand that a racist judicial system, the decimation of manufacturing jobs in the inner city, and a poorly structured educational system also contribute to these problems. But of course, you don't care about those things "wiseone".

Demosthenes
re: your 1:09 PM post - You need to post a spew alert next time....almost choked.

College Grads

A graduate with a science degree asks, "Why does it work?"

A graduate with an engineering degree asks, "How does it work?"

A graduate with an accounting degree asks, "How much does it cost?"

A graduate with a liberal arts degree asks, "Do you want fries with that?"


reply to xpressit
I've been too subtle. What I'm saying is that the Ebonics issue is a non-issue. American universities are not about to be overwhelmed by advocates of Ebonics; your children's higher education is not going to be conducted in Ebonics. Mike's columns are intended to contribute to the typical panic conservativs go into when they think something awful is happening in higher education.

I don't know how you turn my earlier post into anything like advocacy of Ebonics, which I think is an example of the proverbial tempest in a teapot.

So don't worry; Ebonics is not about to replace standard English in business or even in academia. Calm down.

Akagi
Nice dodge, are you a politician perhaps?

We aren't discussing Japan or Taiwan, we are discussing the United States. Try to pay attention.

If a country(people not government) CHOOSES to adopt more than one language in order to interact with another country then that is fine. Its quite another thing entirely for people to equate learning a language with 'oppression' or 'racism'. Its equally ridiculous when governments pass laws requiring non-English classes and signs posted.

Again post some more red-herring BS about Japan. The fact remains I would learn Japanese if I was going to live there.

Gestell
--In neither case is Mike writing about entertainers or other popular figures. That's why I want someone to document that there really are people who are trying to get Ebonics legitimized as a language and/or who write and speak in it.--


Very cleverly done, I might ad.
In his previous column, which you surely read, he referred to programs and scholarships in a particular college. But once again you are making your opponents argument. Put a face on it, you ask, and who really promotes it? So, then, is it in the water coolers or a bug in the copy machines that do this? I mean really, and mean no disrespect. Thus, I speculated once on your implication.

**
Reference: Mikes earlier piece on Ebonics.
--In examining your “Scholarship Listings and Other Sources” I noticed that you offer a specific scholarship for Asian Americans. In fact, you offer two. You also offer a specific scholarship for African Americans who speak Ebonics. And, finally, you offer a “Mexican American Alumni Association” scholarship for Hispanics. (There is also a reference to a scholarship from the “California Association of Black Social Workers” and one from “Trabajadores de La Raza” – one I did not understand because my second language is Ebonics, not Spanish).-
***

So who are the covert “supporters”, you are hunting? Again you seem to be countering yourself – or yoself . So who are these masked men? Or is one left to infer, from your remarks, that this is a whities’ game? Word up.

--and they don't have hissy fits about word choices. Why do you?—

Hissy fits? -- I think we have issues about universal “understanding” and decorum of professionalism fitting into it, at least in terms of higher education or career options. (for which you seem to have shown a lack of open support of in academia)

van: FOI
Spoken like a true "Fruit Of Islam" (FOI).

BHL: Really?
“I am just being humorously sarcastic when I tell you to take off your hoods and sheets.”

Really? Charming missive. You must be another enlightened but underappreciated Humanities major mesmerized by your own sense of moral-vanity. I am just being humorously sarcastic when I tell you that if you have the word “ARTS” inscribed on any sheet of paper you received from your land-grant university, HBCU, etc you will always have employment opportunities- assuming that there are cars to be washed and pizzas to be delivered.


Sloppy research
The original article, "Hooked on Ebonics", is based on Dr. Adam's misreading (or laziness) of this scholarship. As another poster in the original thread noted, the "ebonics" mentioned here does NOT refer to the style of speech usually associated with the word. Rather, it pertains to the former name of the USC Black Alumni Association. Hence, his implication that this scholarship is awarded to students who speak what is usually termed "black english" is erroneous. Here is the link to the scholarship page, which clearly outlines the qualifications for the scholarship and mentions absolutely nothing about style of speech:

http://alumni.usc.edu/baa/students_scholarship_general.htm

And here is the link to the portion of the site explaining the term "ebonics" as the former name of the BAA (paragraph #2 of "History of the BAA"):

http://alumni.usc.edu/baa/about_us.htm

Lastly, the document that he links in his article is the bulletin for the School of Social Work. The scholarships that he mentions (listed on pages 37-38 of the document) mention nothing about speech as a qualifying factor.

Will Dr. Adams print a correction? Somehow, I doubt it, but hopefully he'll prove me wrong.


I want my time back!
Frankly, I am one of a huge, growing number of folks who are just fed up and sick of this stuff! Here is "where I am today".....

I was one of those "white people" who marched with blacks in Alabama, who supported every effort to fight for civil rights for all people. What I see today in the black community is something akin to "scorned-spouse syndrone." Terrible injustices have been committed against the black race in America... this has been acknowledged... our country has made apologies, drastically changed laws... has bent over backward to enforce these laws. The rights and opportunity is now there. What any person does with those rights is entirely in their own hands. America can only do so much... Individuals must change their own mind-set and make their own choices. In the black community today, I see very little "fruits of my labor." I see a race of people who want to keep hating.. people who are choosing to continue to ride the "racist" horse as long as they can... I WANT MY TIME AND EFFORT BACK, IT WAS A WASTE! IF I COULD HAVE KNOW BACK THEN WHAT I KNOW AND SEE TODAY IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY, I WOULD HAVE USED MY TIME IN A MORE PROFITABLE WAY... I am white, I am from the south, I stood with abused and mistreated blacks against my own parents, against my husband and in-laws, against politicians... TODAY THEY HATE ME AND I AM THEIR ENEMY... GO FIGURE!

Shefali
I noticed you titled your comment "low expectations for blacks" but yet you go on to say the following:


"And it's not just black students - American whites, browns and yellows are all learning these bad habits."

You claim that other cultures suffer from the poor use of English, disciplinary problems, and lack of respect for authority etc, yet you title you're post "low expectations for blacks" and refocus your post to criticizing blacks, even though by your own admission you state that blacks are not the only individuals who suffer from these problems.

I guess my question is, why do individuals like your self and other Th posters overly criticize blacks, while turning a blind eye to the "dirty laundry" of other cultures, particularly white culture?



For Anthony Thomas
"What the heck is U-bonics?"

That is exactly what I asked when our secretary promised to teach it to me.

As far as I could tell, u-bonics is just ebonics taken to another level that is even harder for lily white guys like me to decipher. Which is its purpose.

Aside from that it is what I described in my post.

My point in bringing it up is that the existence of "U-bonics" and rap indicate to me that blacks who speak these dialects, including ebonics, do so by choice. Not because they are incapable of speaking grammatically correct English or properly annunciating their words.

And the reason behind this 'choice' appears to be a cultural rejection of 'whiteness'.

"Based on your post, one would surmise that there aren't any uncivil, disrespectful, and indecent white people in this country, only blacks who embrace gangster culture have these attributes. Why don't you and Whitlock take your self righteous, condescending attitude to the trailer parks of rural Mississippi?"

Maybe you can recite for me the names of the white NFL players that have been arrested (and suspended by the league) for violent criminal behavior compared to all of the blacks in the NFL who have been arrested, suspended, tested positive for drugs, etc. Maybe you can explain why the vast majority of these suspensions and criminal charges have been levied against blacks. And maybe you can also explain why blacks, who comprise only 12% of the population, comprise the majority of violent felons AND the majority of rappers.

Why don't you take your stereotyping logic and kneejerk accusations of racism (such as your reference to Mississippi) and put them where the sun doesn't shine?

You're the bigot here.

Three sites that might

http://cla.calpoly.edu/~jrubba/Ebonics.html

By Johanna Rubba, Ph.D.,
Professor of Linguistics, English Department,
California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo 2/3/97

http://www.stanford.edu/~rickford/ebonics/LingAnthro1.html

http://www.cal.org/topics/dialects/aae.html

Chris Rock
He said it best several years ago. "what's the difference between Ebonics and standard English?.....About $20,000 a year

low expecations for American blacks
It's true, there are lower expectations for them, and lo and behold, they meet them. It's not just a matter of ebonics, it's also a matter of classroom discipline - nowadays apparently it is racist to expect students to dress with decorum, to not curse out the teacher, to not disrupt the classroom, etc. And it's not just black students - American whites, browns and yellows are all learning these bad habits.

When I went to school, in a NYC public school, I was fortunate to be in predominately immigrant classrooms. There were no disciplinary problems. My friends from Taiwan, Germany, Nicaragua and Greece behaved themselves, because if they didn't, their parents would come down hard on them. The parents were all married, btw - no divorces or broken homes. And the kids all worked hard and respected their teachers. Lo and behold, none of my old school chums is on welfare. Not everyone went to college - some preferred becoming mechanics or musicians - but none of them are on public assistance, either.

When I went to graduate school, I saw a big difference between American blacks and those from the Caribbean or Africa. Apparently their dark skin color didn't prevent the immigrants from learning proper English, working hard and dressing and acting with decorum.

The reality is that anyone can "act white" if by acting white one means acting like a successful person. If inner city blacks are expected to achieve on the same level as the poor immigrants from Korea, guess what, they will meet those expectations. Blacks are not genetically destined to be semi-literate ghetto-dwelling ganstas and hos. Of course, people like Van will call me a racist simply because I hold to Dr. Martin Luther King's suggestion that we judge people by their character, not their skin color, which includes holding all to the same standards.

BHLib:
Paraphrasing the various sides does not an arument make . Bleed on.

"Only lazy managers complain that they can't fire incompetents. " -- okay, obviously yo aren't one of those lazy managers...

Some 20 years ago
a group of militant black parents in Ann Arbor, the home of the University of Michigan, decided the answer for their low achieving students was implemtation and acceptance of ebonics in the schools. A good friend of mine, a professor of semantics, was then asked to head up the language arts departent in the Ann Arbor schools. Well, a couple of years went by and there was no improvement in the self esteem or accomplishments of black students. Ebonics was dropped and the professor moved on to more satisfying employment.

It would appear if the blacks are in the majority and run the world, ebonics, a legitimate dialect, will be the spoken word of choice. In the absence of that domination, the English dialect will prevail and if people want success in the employment arena, they will speak it. It is as simple as that and until the black community promotes that idea widely and energetically, success will avoid them.

white eubonics
the group that buys the most rap records are white kids.

the idea that black kids are the only ones talking "slang" and that is what it is, shows the age of most of the posters.

i am reminded of an andy griffith show where the school principal is shocked at the way kids are dancing in the school play until the kids break into the charleston and other wild dances from the 20's.

i saw one poster bemoaning those terrible black kids talking slang use the term "mollycoddle".


all youths have slang that sounds offensive to adults, that is kind of the point. you dig

i mean if everthing kids did was groovy and cool, parents wouldn't be so uptight and hacked off and act like old fogeys.

now that is slang from my teenage years.
if you understood it, you should get my drift and hear where i am coming from.

replies to baseballdoc and expressit
IN his first Ebonics column, MIke was criticizing academics who want to teach Ebonics or at least promote it in a university setting. In today's column he's going off on a colleague who excuses a black secretary's lack of knowledge of standard English. In neither case is Mike writing about entertainers or other popular figures. That's why I want someone to document that there really are people who are trying to get Ebonics legitimized as a language and/or who write and speak in it.

Lots of people who get attention in the media use incorrect grammar--why single out the black guys? For that matter, so-called Ebonics looks to me like slang, and slang has always been with us. Most people who use English can switch back and forth between slang and standard English as situations require it, and they don't have hissy fits about word choices. Why do you?

Good
DavidM:

Please inform me when you plan to write the Governments in Japan and Taiwan to remove all their awful English signs and any using Romanization. I mean, if you can't be bothered to learn to read Hanzi and the like, you should keep yourself at home. All customs and other such forms should use the local language as well. And the responses should also be written in that language.

Afterall, we can't be accomodating now can we.