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Wednesday, May 09, 2007
Mike Adams :: Townhall.com Columnist
Judges 6:36-40
by Mike Adams
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Some years ago, I knew a young man who drove some 700 miles to give a speech at his alma mater. When he arrived he saw a few old friends including an old girlfriend he dated in school. She was going through a divorce and she had recently been unfaithful to her husband.

They talked for hours that weekend and after all was said and done he got back in his car to drive home. He had a lot to think about on the twelve hour drive. Mostly, he thought about how miserable the lives of so many of the girls he had dated turned out to be.

When he finally went to bed that tired Sunday evening he said a little prayer. He told God he was tired of his life and wanted to settle down. "Dear Lord," he said, "I'm ready for you to send me a wife. I've waited 36 years so could you please hurry up? I need her in 36 hours."

He often joked that way with God. It was as if they were good old friends, although he had not been to church in years. But before he fell asleep he had one last request of God: "Please, just one more thing. Make her a Christian."

He had almost forgotten the prayer and the fatigue by late Tuesday morning. He was at a political event just a few weeks before the big election. That's when he saw the girl wearing the "Bush for President" sticker on her sweatshirt.

Suddenly, he forgot all about the election. He was sure that hers were the prettiest blue eyes he'd ever seen- even if he was a little color blind. When he pointed at the sticker and said "I want one of those" he might as well have been talking about the girl.

It would be a few weeks before he would realize that he first saw her eyes just 36 hours after he uttered his tired prayer. By then they were dating.

One night they were eating some venison the young man had made for her. He had killed the deer himself and skinned it and cooked up a wonderful meal just for the two of them. It was the first time they would talk about religion. She said she had been thinking about going back to church. She invited him to go with her. He accepted.

But that evening they also had a serious talk about the afterlife and the supernatural. The young man shared the story of his only supernatural experience. He told of how he had fallen down on his knees in agony and prayer to God one evening four years before. That evening he lost someone he deeply loved and, although an atheist, he prayed to God to place a hand of comfort upon his shoulder in his time of loss.

In only a few seconds he felt the hand caressing his back like only a loving parent could do. His loved one was gone but his atheism would soon also be gone. It would only be a matter of weeks.

And then the girl told the story of her one supernatural experience. She was watching a Christian band play at a local high school although she was not a Christian. She had been through an unbelievably painful experience the year before and she could not let go of her anger and let God into her heart. She bowed her head and prayed in desperation for God to send her a sign that He was there and that all would be okay.

Just then she felt the hand upon her shoulder. She turned around and saw a young girl crying. She said "God told me to come and talk to you but I don't know why."

Later the young man and his girlfriend would realize that those two supernatural experiences occurred on the same night of the same year at roughly the same hour. It was nothing more than a powerful sign from a loving God who was bringing two of his children together to love one another.

It should have been enough for the young man but it wasn't. Like Gideon, he was holding out for one more sign but the sign did not come immediately. It came the following summer when his family had met the girl and fallen in love with her, too. He knew he must soon make a decision about whether they would stay together.

And so he kneeled down and prayed asking God for a sign as to whether the two families should be linked together in marriage. He was making good progress until the phone rang. He put God on a call waiting of sorts and picked up the phone. He heard the sweet voice of his girlfriend saying that the "funniest thing" had just happened - something that he just "wouldn't believe."

It seems that a couple of hundred miles away the young man's parents had stopped at a roadside rest stop off Interstate 20. When they pulled over they noticed a few familiar faces. It was the parents of the girl along with her grandmother whom they had just met the week before.

"What are the chances of that?" the girl asked. "Nothing without the guidance of God" the young man thought to himself.

And so the day they were married he watched her walking up the aisle - part human, part angel, a gift from his Maker.

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Amazing story
What's truly amazing, though, is that this is a true story. God bless this couple, although it appears he already has.

Judges 6
God works in mysterious ways but not always in such amazing ways. Or perhaps we don't always perceive His hand in our lives. Sometimes He comes in that small still voice or He is manifest in the courage of a young boy of faith facing a giant. In any event, whether in our lives or in the world around us, God's handiwork can be seen. Great story.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
sorry but you speak to god and he replies, you need help

Wake Up
gc - Everyone one of us needs help, we often do not recognize it. I thank God for all that he has given me - from the breath of Life to my Wife and incredible children. I met the savior when I was in my 20's - drunk, on drugs, living with a girlfriend, detroying property, lots of money, friends.... I did not know until He revealed Himself how much help I needed. Now I receive and hear testimonies like this story all of the time.

Always love your columns
...but this one went right by me, even as a Christian.

gc - you're off-base, because He talks to anyone (who's humble enough to listen).

All the same, this type of column is more like chicken soup for the soul and a suprise coming from our favorite bulldog of the campus.

Matthew 5:8
It's amazing, but ever since I began to look for G-d, I began to see Him.

My brother was very ill and we knew he would die in a few months. We speculated on whether Christmas or the new year would find him with us.

I decided to visit him and my family on the east coast on his birthday later in the month, in September. I wanted to have some quality time together with my brother before his illness rendered him helpless and incoherent.

On the last day of my two-week vacation, my brother died. I, and the whole family, were present at his side.

I marvelled that G-d allowed me to have the fullness of my visit, and yet gathered all nine of us busy adults together and allowed us to be there. There was a peace among us as we understood and appreciated that G-d allowed us to release my brother literally out of our hands and into His.

Only G-d could bring every necessary element together to give us such a gift as this at such a difficult time.

I see His hand in so many things...

Thanks
Thanks you for sharing this.

Well, here's my thoughts
If one believes that God is our Creator and Sustainer, our great help in time of trouble, then one realizes that God blesses us and communicates with us all the time, in many ways.

Those who are convinced God doesn't exist neither recognize His attempts to communicate, nor consider His blessings as anything more than the working of chance in a mechanistic universe.

Atheists are unable to understand the Christian view because they are effectively (and to their great misfortune) deaf and blind by their own choosing.
Don't despise them for it. Provide them a good example, good news and prayer. It's all we can do and *exactly* what we should do. God must do the rest.

My experiece
My mother gave me her used car so that I could drive to and from college. She felt that my younger brother was irresponsible, and did not want me to let him drive the car. I let him drive anyway. My brother had a girlfriend who would stay with us on the weekend, along with her 2year old daughter. On a Sunday night I noticed that the roads would be icy the next morning and something in me told me to warn him to be careful when taking his girlfriend home in the morning. I did. Monday morning he woke me up and asked if I would watch the baby girl until he got back, I didn’t want to but agreed anyway. I woke up and got ready for classes that day. I was 3 years removed from high school and still had low self esteem. There was this freshman girl in my music appreciation class who was acting like she liked me, so I started to become involved with her. She has invited me to the church so I visited a few times. I felt a tug on my heart but was not sure what to do or what I believed. I was sitting waiting for my brother to get back so that I could go to school and started to worry when the time came for me to leave and he was not there. The phone rang and it was my brother. He said that he had been in an accident.... Anger filled me as I began to think about the warning I had given him, and the warnings my mom had given to me about him. I was worried about how I would tell my mom about the car wreck, but that problem was solved. 10 minutes later my mom who worked 3rd shift walked in the door with my brother. She did not seem too upset which made me feel better, but then they dropped a bomb on me, the car was totaled! I asked Geno what had happened, he told me that on the way back home a car started to veer into his lane and he tried to move over, hit a patch of ice, and hit the median barricade. He did not have a seat belt on and said that he put his hands on the ceiling of the car and then the next thing he remembered was the car being upside down and spinning in circles. He said that he was about to try to get out of the car, but a voice told him to wait, just then another car hit him and the car began to spin in circles again. The next thing he knew there were two people helping him get out of the car. Not long after that my mom, on the same highway saw my brother and picked him up.

I was crushed and ashamed. I had been so selfish when he told me he was in an accident that I never thought about him. I started to think about all of the events of that day and what could have happened. He could have been thrown out of the car and killed, or the baby could have been in the car and been killed! I started to think about the voice that told him not to get out of the car, and how he could have survived the initial crash just to be killed when the second car hit him. I thought about the voice that told me to tell him to be careful when he left to take his girlfriend home and began to wonder if it was all a coincidence!

Latter that day while watching PBS and thinking even harder about the significance of what had just happened. I was exhausted. I put my hands over my face and buried my face into my bed. I began to plead and pray. I said, "God are you trying to talk to me and tell me something? Please Jesus give me a sign!" My eyes were closed and my hands were over my face planted into the bed, when I started to focus on the "light blur" that was floating in my head. I tried to focus on the light and as I did it started to become clear. I could hear on the TV in the back ground, it was kids singing about the letter X. The light in my head looked like an X dancing and jumping, just as the kids in my ears sang of the letter X. I seemed to me that I was watching TV, but with my eyes closed and buried in my hands buried in the bed......... I jumped up and looked at the TV screen just as the letter X started to flip off of the screen! I prayed for a sign and received one. I became a Christian the next week as I gave my life to Christ. The bible is absolute correct, when we are weak, GOD is strong!

Golly...
I guess that because God doesn't speak to gc that means He doesn't speak to anyone. Maybe He has good reason not to speak to you.

As for nt250, if you don't believe in God it simply means you choose not to, because the evidence is there for you, starting with life itself. You ought to be sad -- for yourself.

gc and nt250
You should consider your alternatives. Suppose you're right and belief in Jesus is a big joke. Is it so bad or silly to receive the comfort of belief? Are you not more interested in feeling superior to your fellow man? Are you so cynical that you have no beliefs? Is there nothing in which you simply believe?

On the other hand, perhaps your self imposed separation from God will extend through all eternity. Perhaps you will forever sit in a neutral colored room with only your thoughts to be your companion.

What then is the more rational belief?

To: nt250
From a more tolerant non-believer.

Yes belief in God is a crutch to many people. In my experience this belief provides a much better crutch than alcohol, drugs, sex, food or other crutches like maybe disdain or condemnation.

For my wife, my brothers and sister and many friends, belief in God is not a crutch, but a way of life.

Otherwise intelligent people
nt250 refers to some believers as "otherwise intelligent people," implying that faith in God is not an intelligent thing.

And I would have to agree with him. Believing there is a God is not an intelligent thing to do. That does not mean it is stupid to believe in God, it simply means that faith is not a function of the intellect. The intellect (as I understand it) is the rational aspect of our consciousness which organizes, analyzes and signifies the data presented to it. The intellect is not in charge of what data is presented to it. Generally, the data presented to the intellect comes through one of our five senses. God is not detectable to any of those senses, so the intellect cannot make any rational judgments about God based on what the five senses inform. Sensory experiences are no proof of God, whether they be a direct sight sound, touch, etc, or a coincidental set of circumstances.

It is not the one who sees that believes. Rather, the one who believes sees. The Lord Jesus told the sisters of Lazarus, "Did I not tell you that if you believe you would see the glory of God?" Sight does not enable us to believe, faith enables us to see! If a man believes in God, he will see God everywhere, for his faith will direct his intellect to give a Divine significance to the events around him. If the man is an unbeliever, his unbelief will instruct his intellect to give only non-divine interpretations to the events around him.

I am a believer. When I take the time to look with faith, I see the hand of God in everything and can enjoy the evidence of His providential care.

The Bible says that God causes it to rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. (BTW, most of the time in the Scripture, righteous and unrighteous are synonyms for believing and unbelieving.) Both the believing and unbelieving SEE the rain, but the believing know who caused it to rain.

Time and the pursuit of science has taught us the various natural process by which rain falls; but the knowledge of the mechanism by which God causes it to rain does not deter the believer from believing that God caused the rain.

A MOMENT OF CLARITY
Most of my adult life I spent as an athiest... yet it only took me A Moment to clarify that which is reasonable - Furthermore, it is only reasonable that a world without morality can be nothing but evil... and yet still, it is only reasonable to expect that a world without moral Foundation is nothingness. Yes, gc, I understand you clearly, I had been asleep too most of my life.



A Moment of Clarity
(World of Opposites)

by
Charles L. Hatch

I lay awake in bed that morning; it was yet to be light.
These are my best hours for insight.
It was about the world of which I thought.
Reasoning that for every thing there is, there is a not.

In and out; up and down;
Straight-ahead; and all-around.
Without the noises, there are no sounds.
It’s in the opposite; that’s where silence abounds.

For each extreme there is its other.
Only the empty cannot clutter
In the presence of God there is no evil.
So without God’s grace we become medieval.

It’s within the opposite; that’s where evil stalks.
Waiting for us in a dying world, like a homunculus.
Underneath, deep with-in, mired in the filth, the stink, and terrible crime.
Dark and dismal, not sublime.

Long ago I was at the university.
Nurturing worldly thoughts about eternity
Studied Luther, Darwin, Mendel and all the best.
Learned all about the world. Then I put God to rest.

It was on that morning; when this all came back to me.
During a moment of clarity.
So full-of-self, and intellectual superiority,
I had had no time or vision for Divine authority.

But now I see a vulgar place – a place of much sorrow.
Where God, here today, may be gone tomorrow.
So Stop! Think! If you dismantle what you’ve got.
All that’s left is It's OPPOSITE,

And a world, without God and morality
Can only be one of EVIL provided by ACLU hospitality.
And then, who will design a Doctrine for thee?
It might be me – or even some agency.

Lee, I agree
I was hoping for something a little more substantial. In the end, I shrugged my shoulders and said out loud, "Yeah? So?"

For reference
Judges 6:36-40 (New International Version)

36 Gideon said to God, "If you will save Israel by my hand as you have promised- 37 look, I will place a wool fleece on the threshing floor. If there is dew only on the fleece and all the ground is dry, then I will know that you will save Israel by my hand, as you said." 38 And that is what happened. Gideon rose early the next day; he squeezed the fleece and wrung out the dew—a bowlful of water.

39 Then Gideon said to God, "Do not be angry with me. Let me make just one more request. Allow me one more test with the fleece. This time make the fleece dry and the ground covered with dew." 40 That night God did so. Only the fleece was dry; all the ground was covered with dew.


God as Companion
I work in motorsports and I have come within instants of being hit by racing cars on three separate occasions.

The first occasion I was standing in the only space not blocked by a fence to take some photos, and someone yanked me off the paving so hard I nearly fell on the grass. I turned around to complain and a mechanic in a full fire suit with helmet said "Ma'am --" and then off the track on that very tarmac came a very angry Ron Fellows in a very fast Corvette C5R who had just been excluded from the race, and sped over that space I'd been standing on at 60 mph.

"--I don't think you should stand there," continued the figure in the fire suit with a little chuckle in his voice.

I always felt it was significant that the man worked for Archangel Motorsports.

God is with us always and if we ask Him, He will answer. But just like the others around us, we have to turn down the iPod and look up from the BlackBerry and exit our World of One before we can hear a thing He's saying. Sometimes he's got to send an Archangel to grab us by the arm and yank us off the path that leads to death.

my 2 cents
first cause vs. big bang

If big bang wins we have to back further to first cause - where did the big bang come from?

first cause always wins

Touching
I liked it.

God moves in mysterious ways
I have often heard the phrase, "God moves in mysterious ways..." quoted by someone who is impressed with by an unusual set of circumstances that brought about some good event. They use the word "mysterious" to mean "spooky" or unexplainable.

The phrase comes from a hymn written by William Cowper. Cowper was poet Laureate of England in the late 1700's. He was a believer and a close and a parishoner and close friend of pastor John Newton, author of the famous hymn, Amazing Grace. The two collaborated on a hymnal in which "God Moves in a Mysterious Way," and "Amazing Grace," as well as other well-known hymns are found.

Cowper also suffered from what modern psychiatry would label as the twin mood disorders of Depression and Anxiety. Along from the constant presence of the this illness, he would suffer periodic episodes of months-long debilitating anguish, guilt and fear. As he felt himself sliding into one of these periods, he wrote the hymn from which the famous line comes. When one reads the entire hymn, it is found that Cowper was not referring to odd coincidences, or spooky unexplainable events. rather his point was that through terrible events of trial God works His gracious provdence in the destiny of His people.

I here present for you the entire hymn in the hope that it may provide insight and blessing to some of the Lord's people.

God moves in a mysterious way,
His wonders to perform;
He plants His footsteps in the sea,
And rides upon the storm.

Deep in unfathomable mines,
Of never failing skill,
He treasures up His bright designs,
And works His sovereign will.

Ye fearful saints, fresh courage take,
The clouds you so much dread,
Are big with mercy and shall break,
In blessings on your head.

Judge not the Lord by feeble sense,
But trust Him for His grace.
Behind a frowning providence,
He hides a smiling face.

His purposes will ripen fast,
Unfolding every hour;
The bud may have a bitter taste,
But sweet will be the flower.

Blind unbelief is sure to err,
And scan His works in vain;
God is His own interpreter,
And He shall make it plain.


If I pray to God...
...will he give me back these last few minutes that I lost reading this tripe?

To The King
You're describing fear, not faith. Just as one can't fake faith, one can't fake fear. You want to rationalize your faith. To me, that's a sure sign that you don't have it. You want to have it, but you really don't. It's not your fault, nor is it a fault. I don't have it either. Nor am I looking for it. Never will. That doesn't mean that one day I won't have faith. But it won't be my decision. Maybe these two people in Mike's "touching" story actually felt the hand of God. If they did, more power to them.

Good for Mike
I have no such intimate encounter with the Holy Spirit to report. My story is a bit different. I married a girl, we were both virgins at that time. We have been faithful to God ever since even as our virginity was a sign of our faithfulness to Him at that time. We are still married 38 years later and have three grown sons and four grandchildren. God has blessed us. Our boys and their wives know God and are faithful to Him. Everything in our lives is not "perfect" by any means but the things that count are.

Congrats on getting a great honey.
Mike, I realized early on this story was about you and enjoyed the remainder of the story even more then. Skimming thru the comments it looks like most people missed this point. I hear truly amazing stories like this occasionally and this one certainly ranks up there with the great ones. Congrats on getting a great honey.

The Bible states it plainly
1 Corinthians 2:14 (New International Version: The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Matthew 11:15 (New International Version): He who has ears, let him hear.

Matthew 13:15 (New International Version):For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.'

Rex_Rants last few minutes
Rex, I'd like to believe He'll give you those few minutes back to reflect on the goodness of His mercy before you draw your last breath. I hope you use those minutes to speak to Him.

Rex_Rants
So bold, so sure, so bitter, Rex. You need some church.

Rex
Lest you despair, hear what Jesus says to you TODAY:

Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me. (Rev 3:20)

One ACT of faith today changes your life forever. Jesus is ALREADY near, waiting for YOU to open the door to your life. Do not wait for faith to come and introduce itself, it does not happen that way! Re-read Mike's piece; each small act resulted in God revealing more and more of Himself and great things happened.

the saddest thing
I loved this piece. It was tender and touching and full of pure faith.

The sad thing is that those people who are so quick to dismiss God will be horrified to be reminded in Heaven of "every idle work" they spoke in the flesh against Him, and stunned by the number of times they missed His voice and His hand. And they will see His face only once, in sorrow (and as they bow their knees and confess Him with their tongues, whether they like it or not), while those who loved Him will behold Him continually throughout all eternity, utterly fulfilled in the purpose of their creation.

God bless you and your lovely wife, Mike. Never forget this article, and never give in to the voice of the devil as he strives to drive you apart. In good times and bad, God has given you this gift. And in good times and bad, God is good. All the time.

K.J., Lafayette, IN

I'm just not feeling it.
I hear what y'all are saying. But it can't be faked. Religion is a cop out. 99% of religious folks don't have faith...they just say they have faith because of their own vanity, i.e. in the acceptance they get from friends, family, church, whatever....for just saying they have faith.

It sounds like I'm trying to knock it. I'm not. I can't help this intellectual approach to religion. I can't make myself have faith. Just like I don't like certain vegetables. And no matter how much my parents told me that I'd enjoy them, I just don't.

And you can't make yourself have faith either. Except for the 1% of you that truly believe, you are all just a bunch of hypocrites. And when I tune in to Mike Adams I want to hear how he's sticking it to the man, not this crap. Call me bitter if you want...whatever helps you with your own lack of faith.

The hand of God
I am not a church goer. But God has touched me and yet I am a sinner. He has shown me places where I took beautiful photographs and one at the end of a long day, when the light shown into the windows of an old abandoned school at late afternoon, a hand held shot of a flash card on the floor: No Soiled Leaves. Or the poems that come when I am so depressed. Poems about loss, a child suicide, a lost woman, a cowboy's last dance, the darkness and cold of winter. I am not a poet, the words just come, like from a teletype, then they stop. Or when my older brother laid hands on me in the name of Jesus when I was in a fit of emotional anguish. And yet I am a sinner and I sin still. But it is obvious, he hasn't given up on me. Through the lens of my camera, through the ink of my pen, and through the anguish in my heart he guides me still, when I am listening.

Dr. K

To Those Who Do Not Believe In God
If those of us who believe in God are wrong, we haven't lost anything. If those of you who do not believe in God are wrong, you have lost everything.

It is often said that "seeing is believing." For a Christian, "believing is seeing."

rex
Now you know what gives Adams so much strength as he takes on those with power over his fate.

An old man's comments
A elderly gentlemen, that I had met at church, told me,I may be completely wrong about God, but I think that I have lived a good life because of my beliefs.

Anti-religion trolls
I feel sorry for poor souls like Rex, gc & nt. If they are posting here to try and make people of faith feel bad, they truly have no idea what it is that we feel. The fact that we do have faith means that we don't really care what those who do not have faith may say about us. They are only making themselves into someone whom we feel genuine pity for. We will pray for you. God bless Dr. Adams. You and your lovely bride have a wonderful tale to tell you kids when they ask how Mommy met Daddy.

nt250 writes:
nt250 writes: "Proof religious people are nuts
This story confirms what I've always known. Religious people use God as a crutch during times of mental weakness. It's a shame, really, that so many otherwise intelligent people can be so dumb about something so stupid. And the fact that they actually believe it is incredibly sad."

Yes Christ is the only crutch that can save us let alone support us throughout our times of need and not, there is no shame in that what so ever. However those with the thinking you describe have no support, and will be like a building crumbling because of no foundation. Also no amount of intelligence will save anyone from the final judgment. The shame is on the one who tries to gain the whole world and forfeits his soul? That is what is sad.

Rex
You are so close to the Kingdom.

I recall a very intelligent PhD (marine biologist) who was searching out the claim others made for having faith in God. He just couldn't grasp it--which, of course, caused him to question his intellectual sensitivity.
He wondered: "What is wrong with me? that I cannot see what you all seem to see so clearly?"

Someone in the group discussion said to him, "If we could make 'faith' intellectually complex/complicated for you, you could then accept it."

The PhD absorbed that thought for a moment, and soon after--his body relaxed in his chair--he released a deep sigh--a broad smile appeared upon his face--and he said, "WOW!!

That evening he became a man of faith (your 1% type).

As An Agnostic...
..what always freaks me out is that the existence or lack thereof of God is something that philosphers have debated since the dawn of time. Wars have been fought over peoples interpretation of God. People will devote their entire life to a life of religious service. People will commit terrible acts for their "God". All this and no one knows for 100% certain that he/she/it exists. You only know when you die. So bizarrely enough my grandparents and everyone else who has died now know the answers to all existence and the true meaning of life.
I'm not sure if I've phrased this missive correctly but it's something I have often pondered.

Experiencing God
One of the assignments I was asked to do while taking a class called Experiencing God at church was to look over my life and explain it for my children.

As I began to look back at my life from high school years, I was struck by all the 'coincidences' that had happened throughout my life. I won't go into any details, but, I was truly shocked that many, many small events that I had thought meaningless actually were great turning points in my life. I was also struck by the fact that none of these events were MY doing. But, they were others acting in my life in a way that changed my life at some critical point.

There is a God. He is already working in your life. Join Him.

Soli Deo Gloria! David

Scripture abuse
I'm a Christian, and I find the story weak-minded. To use the Judges passage in this way is simply an abuse of the scripture.

Read it again -- Gideon asked for (and received) two *specific* and *supernatural* signs. Now, if the fellow in Mr. Adams' story had asked God, "okay, God, if you want me to marry that girl, have my parents and her parents meet at Joe's Diner at mile marker 243 on I-70 at 6:43PM and call us about it", then you may have a case for a supernatural sign.

This other way of making decisions (taking coincidental occurrences as supernatural signs) is dangerous -- it has believers reading meaning into any number of events, and then taking them as divine decree. Why not just read tea leaves?

If God needs to communicate a message to you, why does he need some vague, subjective experience to do it? In the Bible, when God needs to communicate directly with people ("special revelation"), it is direct, supernatural, and unmistakable.

Lovely story, it gave me goosebumps
And it proves that those who seek God, will find him, because He is always near.

The very first time I met my late wife, we were 11 years old. I looked into her eyes and it was like I had been hit with a stun gun; my eyes started watering, there was a roaring in my ears, my tongue swelled in my mouth, and my whole body went numb. I remember thinking, "Is this love at first sight?" Then I thought, "Nah, couldn't be. I'm only 11 years old."

I'm convinced now that God was making me aware of how important this beautiful, blonde haired, blue eyed girl with the sunniest smile I'd ever seen, would be in my life. We flirted and feuded for several years, and I suspected she was just as sweet on me as I was her, but being an awkward preteen in a much more innocent time, I never expressed my feelings, and she eventually moved away. We never forgot each other but didn't keep in touch, either. What a shame.

Forty years later, almost to the day we first met, a classmate of ours contacted me and gave me a link to my childhood sweetheart's website. She now lived close to me and had been diagnosed with a deadly cancer. The site was how she kept friends and family informed of her status, but I was unable to connect and put it aside.

Some months later I was helping this same classmate prepare Thanksgiving dinner at her home in LA, when she asked if I had ever gotten in touch with my sweetheart. She had the link on her computer so I clicked right on, and there was my Sweetie, grown up and and a little sickly, but with the same big, bright smile on a face which simply glowed with faith and trust in God.

I fired off an email to her and got an immediate response - sure, she remembered me. The rest of the day was frantic for my friend, who was afraid my cooking skills would be distracted by running back and forth between the kitchen and the computer. The dinner was a fantastic success and my Sweetie and I agreed to get together when I made it back home the next day.

To make a long story shorter, we reconnected and rekindled our long ago affections for each other, but there was something much deeper. Her illness had strengthened her always abiding faith and my haphazard Christianity was brought into focus. We instinctively knew that God had brought us back together for a reason: she was tasked with setting my shaky beliefs in concrete, and I was directed to give her as much happiness in her remaining time as possible.

We were married very quickly and set about touching each others' lives, and hopefully those around us, as Jesus Christ directs us to do. The overwhelming love and devotion between us was so above anything I had experienced in my life, I finally understood God's Love and what a marvelous gift he has given man and woman if they can bring His Love into their relationship. It amplifies by a immeasurable factor, a low voltage connection by plugging into the most powerful, I believe, force in His creation - Love, which like gravity, can't be seen or explained, but holds the universe together like glue.

She's gone now, and the love she took with her is now a part of Heaven, waiting for me like a 401K that I cannot touch until I retire permanently from my worldly wanderings. I still have the recipe, though, and know it is the best and true one:

Man + Woman + God = Abounding Joy!

Now I wait to see if He is preparing the ingredients to bake that wonderful confection again.

































Rex_Rants
When the time does come in your life when you don't know the answer any more, and you have reached the end of yourself -- remember this:

God loves you, and He wants you to turn to Him. No matter what you have said about Him or His people in the past. Romans 5:8 says, "God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us."

While we were still sinners. God knows our limitations and weaknesses. He knows everything about us, and He gave us a way to know and belong to Him -- while we still didn't care, and didn't want to know.

It is NEVER impossible to approach Him, while you still live on this earth. Never.

Rex
Eutychus is correct. I perceive that you know God is near.

Do you know the story told by Jesus of the lost son (Luke 15:11-32)? Aside from the whole issue of his rebellion and its results, here's what I want you to see. When that son, who had no faith in his father's care for him and ran off with his inheritance, decided to turn and walk back toward his father, what did he find? He found his father RUNNING to meet him. So it is with God! One ACT of faith (faith is not a commodity!!) by you, and you will find a God who is running to embrace you and build in you the faith that you're just not "feeling". I urge you - please seek out one of the 1% as you describe them and tell them about today's discussions. This is faith in action and you will not regret it.

Faith versus science
At approximately 4:00 AM fifteen years ago, I awoke suddenly to an intense feeling of dread, which several hours later turned out to be the moment my father died half a continent away. How and why did that happen? The answers one receives to this question says a lot about a person’s view of science and faith, the known and the unknown, and the relationship between the two.

Did you hear the one...
...about the dyslexic agnostic with insomnia? He laid in bed at night doubting the existence of a Dog!

MikeAdams
You must be truly in love with your wife. Both of you are blessed to have one another. God Bless you, your wife and your family. Keep up the good work....

God Bless You (Again!)
Dr Adams,

Thank you again sir for another stirring article.

It was a brief five years ago that the lives of two people were changed by what my wife and I call "God's four-minute miracle." We saw God take the two of us out of "the pit" and by His Grace restore us for His Glory.


"Coincidence" or God
"David"'s post above at 10:55 hit me where I live. After accepting Jesus and his gift of salvation I too discovered how many times my life moved in particular directions leading up to my salvation and very happy marriage with 3 wonderful children. I realize that God does not bless everyone in the same manner but to those who trust Him he leads people and situations into their lives to guide them in certain paths to bring themselves closer to Him. It is thrilling to realize I am in his hands for a greater adventure than any human could come up with.

Rex
If you just don't get, then leave it alone. It never ceases to amaze me how often those that profess to have no faith spend so much time attacking those that do. If you choose to lean unto your own understanding, then fine. Let your intellect and your rationality be your god; which is exactly what it is to you...a god. It is what you place your faith in, it is where your belief is seated, and that is fine. If I,and others like me, choose to look outside ourselves and have faith that there is One bigger than us, why is that of concern to you? Leave us to our faith and we will leave you to yours.

And if you were so unconcerned or uniterested in this piece due to its religious message, why did you read it at all? There are plenty of thigs posted here that I skip every day b/c the subject matter doesn't appeal to me. How about youmlearn to do the same in the future, and you will ot have to share with us the "wisdom" of your thoughts, okay?

BTW, I have new material at the blog for anyone interested in visiting.

WOW!
Thank you for the story. More proff that GOD is still GOD and he is still listening to us. More proff that some people just do not and more than likley will not get it. But for those who do get later in life it will affect them for the rest of their lives. Thank you Dr. Adams

Flagwaver
At BEST, your post was cold and unhelpful to someone who is clearly searching. Your credibility is not enhanced by plugging your blog.

Gee
I hope this is the true story of how Mike met his wife. I’m a sucker for a good love story and this one has it all. There’s the well deserved misery of an ex who became a fallen woman. There’s prayers to God that are promptly answered unlike those poor losers who pray that their cancer will go into remission just long enough to see their child grow but die within the year. There’s the sheer unadulterated pleasure of killing and skinning an animal coupled with the primal joy of presenting it to a woman. And there’s support for Bush (although we aren’t told which one) which must be why God granted the wish. Yes sir, stories like this just tug at my heart strings. I so hope it’s a true story.

Rex_Rants
Rex_Rants wrote: And no matter how much my parents told me that I'd enjoy them, I just don't.

They probably don't enjoy you either.

Very Nice Professor Adams
Nice column. Good thoughts.

Note to atheists...
You will have a date with God -- either a great and glorious date, or a bad blind date with someone you have shunned many times. It’s your call... http://www.DateWithGod.org

Christianity is a crutch???
Not according to Christ... He said that if we want to follow Him, we must deny ourselves and take up our cross. (Matthew 16:24) He tells us to lose our lives for his sake and the gospel's sake. (Mark 8:35) He tells us that the road to eternal life has a narrow gate, and that it is a difficult road. (Matthew 7:14)

If Christianity is not TRUE - if we are not raised from the dead after this life is over, then we are "of all men, most to be pitied." (I Corinthians 15:19)

He did not come to make us comfortable on earth, but to save us from our sins. If we Christians deny Christ by using our faith as a mere crutch to restore our comforts, then we shouldn't be surprised when unbelievers shrug our religion off as the "opiate of the masses." But if we live our Christianity as Christ commanded we will be saved, and our skeptics will be silenced.

Mr. Bob
What are you saying?!? Everyone knows that God is a man. I don’t want to date Him. I listened to your link and the guy has a little trouble using logic. He should probably stick with faith. He just kept going on and on about how everyone is going to die but if you take his advice, you will live forever. I’ve been alive for a long time now and unless these folks are hiding, the theory either doesn’t work or no one is using it.

Pascal's Wager
“If there is a God, He is infinitely incomprehensible, having neither parts nor limits. He has no relation to us. We are therefore incapable of knowing what He is, or whether He is. This being so, who will dare to solve the problem? Not we, who have no relation to Him.
You must wager ….. Which will you choose? … Let us weigh the gain and loss in calling ‘heads’ that God is. Let us weigh the two cases
: if you win, you win all; if you lose you lose nothing. Wager then unhesitatingly that He is.” ~ Blaise Pascal

Is there a supernatural reality?
Contrary to what many self-styled intelligent atheists would have us believe, faith and science are not mutually exclusive domains. The study of science is the pursuit of that which is knowable and can be verified, but as any good scientist will tell you, the absence of verification is not proof of nonexistence. Faith is nothing more than a belief in that which is not provable, and where proof ends faith begins.

It is interesting to note the unusual number of astro and quantum physicists who believe in a higher authority. These scholars, who may be considered to be on the leading edge of scientific discovery, and whose work continues to re-write the very laws of nature as we know it, nonetheless approach their work with a sense of awe and humility that appears to be lacking in some of the self-important egos posting on this thread today.

It is the hallmark of a closed mind that insists on defining the objective universe of reality only in terms of what is known subjectively to them self, while many of the most accomplished scientists of our day will at least reserve some portion of their cognizance to the possibility that all that exists may not be explainable through scientific inquiry.

Animalgirlis back, and slinging
her usual form of meanness. There is something profoundly wrong with people who choose to travel this route. They are to be pitied for the unkindness they heap upon the world, somehow mistaken that they are clever or cute when making remarks such as the one made. One can only imagine the ugliness and anger that must reside within their hearts.

Mike,
It was a beautiful story which brought tears to my eyes. I could relate, having had a similar experience when I met my husband 26 years ago.

For all those posters who kept it positive, shared your belief in God, shared how having God in your life was more than coincidence, and wrote from your heart...a round of applause.

Re: SandMan
From a self-styled intelligent agnostic with a Ph.D. in chemistry . . .

SandMan is exactly right -- with a conservative spin. There is also an equally legitimate liberal spin on his argument.

The far-right-wing political groups go wrong by misunderstanding science's limitations. Their stance is that a scientific conclusion must be 100% "right" or else it is completely "wrong". That isn't how science works.

There is always a degree of uncertainty in any scientific study. When scientists have a great measure of control over the conditions of their study -- such as lab work on things we can actually see -- that uncertainty is very, very small. Science can get the "complete" right answer in those cases. However, when trying to look back in time to answer evolutionary and cosmological questions, the uncertainty is much greater because, naturally, the information that can be observed or discerned is less complete. Therefore, science arrives at answers that are probably not complete or conclusive.

At this point, the far-right-wing political groups will simply dismiss what evidence has been obtained -- this is WRONG and IGNORANT. There is nothing wrong with debating conclusions -- or whether a conclusion can be made. There is nothing wrong in not believing the answer science has arrived at -- science does not insist that it be believed. However, the scientific method employed in acquiring what evidence there is to support evolution and the Big Bang is the same scientific method that is employed when developing better pharmaceutical drugs, electronics technology, and military weapons -- all things very near and dear to the conservative heart.

Yes, science is more limited than faith, but the EVIDENCE that science acquires is valid even when a scientific conclusion can't be reached (yet).


Nt250, were Thomas More and Thomas
Becket nuts? How about Mother Theresa? Thomas Merton? C.S. Lewis? Flannery O'Connor? John Bosco? Michael McGivney? Simon Weisenthal? Dorothy Day? Steven McDonald?

What is the definition of "nuts"?

Would you consider Sylvia Plath religious? Frank Zappa? Vincent van Gogh?

GoodOnPaper
As a conservative (with his own PhD) I can agree with most of what you say albeit with a few provisos, most of which arise when science clashes, not with faith, but with politics.

Global warming is the best example I can cite where political opportunists are a) claiming a unified scientific consensus on projections and consequence where none exists, and b) insisting on the enforced acceptance of this supposed unified consensus. While it may be true as you say that "science does not insist that it be believed", that does not prevent political partisans on insisting so.

BloodABoilin
Not to put too fine a point on it, but Van Gogh may HAVE been nuts. He at least did spend some time in a mental sanitarium. And then there was that whole ear-lopping thing as well.

Judges
A man saying that there is no God is like a 6 year old saying there is no such thing as passionate love; he just hasn't experienced it. Once you have experienced it, like Mike,you can't go back.
Dave

I've known several athiests & agnostics
and I've found that it's usually the ones who kick and scream and denounce the loudest that have real issues. This means there is still hope for these folks, because they are actually searching.

It's the ones who truly don't care anything about Christians or Christianity and are perfectly happy to let us go about doing our own thing without a word of criticism for whom I worry the most. For those are the people who probably never will come around and accept God on faith -- or any other way for that matter.

So, rex, MikeR, animalgirl, and others -- you just keep right on taking shots. And don't ever quit -- at least, not until you see the light. You guys are the ones for whom there is still hope.

Science and politics
In my opinion, it is the left who most often inappropriately invoke the talisman of "good" science to innoculate their political agenda against dissent.

I for one would be willing to support the noninclusion of biblical creation in a science course, in exchange for including 3-D ultrasound imaging in that same course.

There is something urgent
in the slurs produced by the scoffers. They desperately need to reinforce their bigotry by insulting the religious whom they portray to be their inferiors. But if the atheists/humanists/communists/environmentalists are so sure about their nihilism why should they spend their time saying cruel things to Christians? Well, I guess there is no atheistic proscription against that sort of thing. I believe they do it because their deep-seated, unspoken doubts impel them to a ceaseless defensive, rationalization of their rebellion against God. The Bible (God) says that the knowledge of God is evident in nature. He is right. The Bible also speaks of those with eyes who will not see. He is right about that one too.

On the Origins of Life
I have always found it ironic and logically incompatible for the atheistic leftist to present certain speculative theories on the origins of human life as fact, while refusing to acknowledge the life that exists before their very eyes.

What purpose is served
By the atheist who insists that humanity is evolved from some primordial organism, but who would nonetheless advocate for the right to suck the brains out of a newly delivered baby? I find the public purposes to which the flamboyantly atheistic apply themselves to be of a generally un-noble nature.

It is a choice
Rex: "I don't have it (Faith) either. Nor am I looking for it. Never will. That doesn't mean that one day I won't have faith. But it won't be my decision."

That's exactly right Rex, until you CHOOSE to find God, you will never find Him.

Seek and ye shall find.

truthspotlight
Dr. Adams has said many times that liberals don’t understand sarcasm or satire and have no sense of humor. Many others claim that liberals are always wrong. I guess that confirms you as a liberal. Further proof can be seen in you calling me an atheist or agnostic. I am neither. I’ll stack my faith in God alongside anyone here. My being critical of a corny story has nothing to do with devotion to God. If you think the story was the greatest ever written by man, that’s just fine. I found it flawed and pointed out those flaws. Instead of attacking me (another so called liberal strategy), show how I’m wrong in my analysis.

Judges
A touching, compelling and moving piece. Thank you Dr. Adams.

animalgirlisback
I am given to wonder what sort of animal it is that animalgirl resembles?

A Fact
I agree with those who think religion is a crutch. Just ask the Christians in the Sudan who are daily murdered by devotees of "The Religion of Peace", they'll tell you what a farce the whole thing is.

The Hand of God
My Mothers story: My father worked at Bethlehem Steel. He became tapped between two frieght trains. He lost his right leg above the knee and four toes on his left foot.

The night of the accident she threw herself across the bed in dispair. Please Dear God help me! She felt someone sit down beside her on the bed and embrace her, she fell into a deep sleep. There was no one else in the house. We have always believed that it was God who held her that night.

My Father returned to work. He lived a full and goodness filled life for eighteen more years.

a-girl: praying for ourselves not wrong
There is nothing wrong with praying for ourselves. Afterall, God wants us to be the best we can be, to live happy, fulfilling, prosperous lives. IMHO, it becomes wrong when ourselves is all we pray for. Regardless of what we pray for is for Him to decide. And ultimately He does.

Stop the hate
nt250 and gc come on man...stop the hate. If it improves the quality of someone’s life to believe in an intelligent designer that takes an interest in their lives, why do you care? Get over it. Oh, and gc learn to write a proper sentence if you are going to post it out on the internet.

Nothing wrong with a little respect.
I hope for a world where those who think religion is for the weak will refrain from public comment as a gesture of polite civility and respect.

No person was harmed, coerced, or even inconvenienced by Dr. Adams' expression of faith. Even though I'm not a religious person, I'm so grateful that we live in a country where he is free to express such views without fear.

animalgirlisback a Quaker?
You can call yourself anything you want, but I find it a bit hard to swallow that the hate-filled malevolent posts running regularly under your nom de plume could be written by an actual member of "The Friends".

Well, MikeR --
With statements like these from your very own above posts -- "There’s prayers to God that are promptly answered unlike those poor losers who pray that their cancer will go into remission just long enough to see their child grow but die within the year." And -- "Everyone knows that God is a man. I don’t want to date Him. . . . He just kept going on and on about how everyone is going to die but if you take his advice, you will live forever. I’ve been alive for a long time now and unless these folks are hiding, the theory either doesn’t work or no one is using it," I guess somehow I got the apparently misguided notion that you yourself had no faith in God. You see, I can't imagine any Christian I know, and I know plenty, ever making statements like that.

I'll fight the temptation to be sarcastic here, because it'll accomplish nothing good. If you say you'll stack your faith against anyone here, though, and that's true, then you should have no problem believing Mike's story. It's obviously about faith.

Also, I was in no way attacking you by simply drawing what appeared to be an obvious conclusion. If I was really wrong about your faith in God, I surely apologize.

BTW, I tried and can't quite span the jump you made in concluding (probably tongue-in-cheek) that I must be a liberal.

Sandman --
Agreed! That one made me laugh.

sorry for a-girl
By posting here with her sadly-out-of-reality views, I doubt that she realizes she is opening herself up to being the object of many many prayers for her salvation!!!
Her postings have no joy, or peace--- but I will be praying for her reality check with Jesus.
He does love her and desires for His best for her. And any and every other 'denier of the truth'.
Mike-- I love and appreciate your column--you go guy!! Keep on being who you are and the many of us who appreciate you will keep on reading!!
May God bless you and yours as you seek His ways in all you do. !!

animalgirlisback,
Not falling into your trap again. Your writings are of a hate-filled,spiteful, bitter, angry, sarcastic, disturbed personna (even more laughable when claiming to hold Quaker beliefs)trying to show off. Maturity? Far from it.


Posters, do not waste your time
going down the road, so to speak, with animalgirlisback.

SandMan, you have got the woman pegged, not only on this column but like you said, pretty much everyone of her TH postings.

Hmmm...
I thought there'd be more tolerance in this column. Oh well.

tedmug
You refer to the "scoffers". Hmm. And presumably you are a self-confessed Christian? And THEN you write:

"I am given to wonder what sort of animal it is that animalgirl resembles?"

Pause a moment and think about that. NObody wrote anything as uncalled for, or as insulting about Dr. Adams as you have just done here.

animalgirl took issue with what she saw as the superficiality of the story, as a number of critics did. So what?

Is it too much to expect that you will direct your ire at fallacies in her ARGuments, as distinct from the personal?

Having read her posts, I have come to the conclusion that she is a thoughtful Christian, whose faith depends NOT on the chances and coincidences of life... a faith built on ROCK, as distinct from shifting sands.

If you are writing to persuade others to your view, the last thing you need do is insult those very people.

But you had no call to insult her. It was mean and petty, and if you cant see this, then I have no time whatsoever for your version of "Christianity".

not ashamed to be right
addressing animalgirl...

"Your writings are of a hate-filled,spiteful, bitter, angry, sarcastic, disturbed personna"

Are you and I reading the SAME postings? I saw NONE of these qualities in anything she said. And because YOU say there are there does not make it so. This is a ridiculous and "spiteful" comment if it is based on what she has ACTUALLY said.

elliea
Just wondering.. which views in particular has animalgirl expressed that are so "sadly out-of- reality"? Just wondering...

In addition, I find little "love" or "peace" in your comment. Just unwarranted condesension and presumption regarding the faith-life of another of which you can know nothing.

Mike, ... a sower went out to sow ...
Your story was like a seed which brought forth all the examples of God at work in the lives of so many people. I sent a link of the article with comments to many of my friends and family members. These are the kind of examples that strengthen and encourage others.
God bless you for allowing Him to work through you.

truthspotlight
I think you completely misread MikeR. He was making fun of certain points of Dr. Adams story. Nothing "un-Christian" or "anti-Christian" about that.

He was writing tongue-in-cheek, because the examples he drew up were to illustrate a simple point. The FACT that God does NOT "automatically" answer prayer, as WE would always want. Such as his example of someone praying for a cancer remission and not getting that. And so on. And then YOU say:

"You see, I can't imagine any Christian I know, and I know plenty, ever making statements like that."

Well, I can. And anyone who has been around those who suffer can too. And for CHRISTIANS coming from this angle, Dr. Adams story comes across as superficial.

My favorite uncle died some months ago, leaving his family devastated. God will NOT "wave a magic wand" and make that all go away, you know. NOR do we choose NOT to believe just because something "bad" happened, which is the converse of BELIEVING just because something "good" happened. Our faith has to be MUCH MUCH more than that.

Patriot, and of course
YOU are the supreme model of tolerance, correct? Posters who are aware of your posts clearly know you have a known propensity for name calling and insults (idiot being one of your favored put downs.)

not ashamed to be right
"YOU are the supreme model of tolerance, correct? Posters who are aware of your posts clearly know you have a known propensity for name calling and insults (idiot being one of your favored put downs.)"

I do like to "call them like I see them," as you'd know from our other conversations where you're also intolerant of gay people. However, *I* don't go around attacking people's faith, I leave THAT to God. Which is why I said that I thought there'd be more tolerance here. Yes, "idiot" is a good one, retard is most likely my actual favorite though. None of those insults attack the faith of others. Amy Grant (before she went secular) had a song called "Fat Baby" you might look up the lyrics. ;)

losers
After reading Mikes column i wondered to myself how long would it be before some nitwit wrote something negative about it. not surprisingly we got 2 out of the 1st 5 entries. You know i'm not very religious. But if someone else is i dont feel the need to goof on them. Why would you get past the 1st few sentences if you think its all jive?

bostguy112
So anyone who writes something "negative" about what Dr. Adams wrote is a "loser" or/and a "nitwit"?

Since when did Dr. Adams become "god" - as he seems to be to some who cant brook the slightest criticism - be it legitimate or otherwise - directed in his direction? As if he isnt big enough to take it?

If you read past the first 5 entries, you would find that BELIEVING Christians have problems with what Dr. Adams wrote...

Judges 6
Mike, You are certinly blessed. Behind every great man is a woman. . . covering his back . . . You are as lucky as I am to have found one! I found mine 54 years ago!

A great tribute for Mothers Day.

"Illigitimus non carborundum"

nt250
You wrote: "This story confirms what I've always known. Religious people use God as a crutch during times of mental weakness."


Please don't take this the wrong way, but the "crutch" accusation works both ways. Greg Koukle wrote: "Instead of inventing God, have atheists invented non-God? Have they invented atheism to escape some of the frightening implications of God's existence? Think about it."

As far as 'mental weakness' C.S. Lewis, hardly a mental midget, said, "My intellect could no longer support my atheism."

JimmyJoe
"So anyone who writes something "negative" about what Dr. Adams wrote is a "loser" or/and a "nitwit"? "

I think you misunderstood him. I don't think he wasn't talking about criticizing Dr. Adams, he was talking about how some were attacking people's faith. What he said was, "You know i'm not very religious. But if someone else is i dont feel the need to goof on them." Which is to say, he doesn't attack Christians faith just because he's not very religious himself, like some do.


Patriot
Perhaps, though this isnt clear from what he said. Also, I see no great virtue in NOT attacking Christian faith because one isnt Christian. That should be a given. It is downright rude and narrow minded to do so, though I accept that those guilty of this usually fail to see their own "bigotry".

animalgirl
I see what you are saying about 'coincidence' based faith. You are absolutely right we should not base our faith on coincidence. God has given us ample evidence and reason to place our faith in Him. I am however, a little uncomfortable with pooh-poohing others relationship with the Biblical God. I'm not going to put a bunch of text here because I think that is abrasive to some (I will gladly and easily provide them if you ask). Christ stated that "He would manifest Himself to those who love Him. I don't think it is a great theological leap to believe that a personal God would manifest Himself in some of the ways that have been mentioned. Secondly, James stated that "all good gifts are from above,' therefore it would be a mistake not to give God credit for healing some to His glory because in His infinite wisdom He does not choose heal all. It has nothing to do with whether he "likes" some one more than another. Thirdly, we are told repeatedly in Scripture to "make our requests known to God," to "pour out our hearts before Him," to "cast all of our cares on Him." As sanctification takes place are cares and desires should come more in line with His.

cont'd
Sorry

But if someone heart is burdened because he or she is lonely and wanting a spouse. I think God can take it if they make that request. True, God is not Santa Claus, He may not choose to answer in the desired way, but I don't think He is going to strike them with lightening for asking.

ElizabethBennet
Believe it or not, I have to say that I thought of "Pride and Prejudice" after reading Dr Adams piece. Esp about the question of the sign about joining the two families through marriage.

Had Mr. D'Arcy used THAT particular test, I doubt that he and Elizabeth would have provided the ending we all love in that particular novel! Though I think it spoke FAR more highly of his love for Elizabeth, that he would marry her desPITE her "family connections" than the case of the young man in Dr. Adam's story.

But then, I believe there is something profoundly Christian about Jane Austen!

Patriot, you most definitely
do not "call them as" you "see them." You use the anonymity of the internet to be rude, condescending, and mean. Of course your posts do not include you being tolerant of stupid (idiot) and retarded people. Not attacking faith yet calling people names/insults..seems a little
hypocritical. But hey, if it makes you feel better to think you are 'more tolerant' than me, go ahead and give yourself a pat on the back.

JimmyJoe
"Perhaps, though this isnt clear from what he said."

It's clear, to me, just not well written. He's criticizing atheists for attacking those that believe. Personally, I find it equally sad when those that do believe attack the faith of others as well. Attacking intelligence is one thing, but faith is another.

not ashamed to be right
Did not you describe another poster as:

"Your writings are of a hate-filled,spiteful, bitter, angry, sarcastic, disturbed personna"

... And this based on??? Nothing.

Words like "idiot" as used by Patriot are as NOTHING by compared to what came from YOUR pen. You go even further, by implying that he is a liar and a coward.

You may not be ashamed to be right, but you are also not ashamed to be wrong.

I doubt that Patriot would in fact see reason to "give himself a pat on the back" should he indeed be more "tolerant" than YOU....

Regards your fingerpointing, I will make a suggestion. Ignore the finger you are pointing, and concentrate on the THREE pointing back at yourself.

JimmyJoe
You are right and I agree with your assessment of Pride and Prejudice. Austen's admirable characters exemplified honor, duty and reason not making every decision based on subjective feelings, those who did; i.e. Marianne Dashwood met with trouble. I did not mean to imply that I would advocate making a life-changing decision on the basis of a 'sign.' Any such decision a Christian makes should line up with Biblical teaching.
My husband is a minister, recently a man told him that he believed it was "God's will," that he leave his wife for another woman and that God had given him a "peace" about it. That is, of course, absurd. We tell the youth in our church to examine the characters of any potential mate. Practical advice such as; "Notice how they treat the waitress at the restuarant, if they keep it when they are given too much change, notice how they talk to their parents because this is how you can expect them to talk to you when they are no longer pursuing you."

I do, however, think that you can make a case that because God is personal God that He can speak to specific situations in a persons life.

Patroit
Criticising an article about "faith" is not attacking the "faith" of another. I have a serious problem with Dr. Adams approach on this one, for reasons previously outlined.

On a related issue, just as a matter of interest, I would find that my theological background differs from that of different posters. Again, I see NO difficulty in having MY position questioned, no more than I see difficulty in questioning that of others. And I do believe that the theological distinctions are important.

ElizabethBennet
"Notice how they treat the waitress at the restuarant....""

EXCELLENT advice. My brother once saw a casual acquaintance, for whom he previously had high regard, treat a gasoline station worker with complete disrespect for no reason but selfish disregard - thinking he was unobserved. I have to say my brother lost complete respect for him!

The man who was talking to your husband indeed is a classic example of how we can make a "god" of our own false ego, and satisfy that, saying it is "God's will"!!

JimmyJoe
Yes, it is sad that we live in a culture that says "follow your heart," when so often the heart leads young people into relationships only met to gratify their own ego. Whether or not the object of their desire is "hot" seems to be the only criteria. The results are often disastrous.

JimmyJoe
"Criticising an article about "faith" is not attacking the "faith" of another."

Yet some ARE attacking the faith of others. Atheists attack Christians, Christians attacking atheists, and even Christians attacking other Christians who they deem not Christian enough or other such nonsense.

For example, when nt250 said, "Proof religious people are nuts," he was attacking the faith of believers. "they're nuts"

Hope that helps...


Patriot
No... not very helpful at all, actually! Yes, some do "attack" others, as you have outlined and my attitude towards that is the same as yours.

However, that is NOT the same thing as legitimate criticism which is what I have in mind. Quite possibly we are arguing from the same hymn sheet but at cross purposes? I have no time for those who "attack" - particularly when it gets personal for no reason.

Rex Rants...
Rex_Rants writes: Wednesday, May, 09, 2007 8:05 AM
If I pray to God...
...will he give me back these last few minutes that I lost reading this tripe?

Rex, I believe that if you accept Christ as your Savior you will get a lot more than the few minutes it took you to read the story. You may have more peace in this life, which could give you more time in this life, and much more than a few minutes when you inherit the Kingdom of God.

JimmyJoe
"However, that is NOT the same thing as legitimate criticism which is what I have in mind."

Nobody is saying it is same thing. You jumped on bostguy112 because you THOUGHT he said that, but he was saying what I explained above.

Good luck...

Patriot
Been a pleasure. That said, I disagree with your interpretation of what he said, but no big thing either way. Cheers.

To all who don't believe
It's been said that it takes far more faith to be an atheist than to believe in God. That's why Jesus said that all the faith we needed was the size of a mustard seed and we could move mountains. (Matthew 17: 20-21) What mountain do have in your life, Rex?
You see, to believe that there is no God of the universe takes far more faith in ones own ideals and rationalizations. After all, who can actually blame someone for not believing in God? You can't see Him. You can't touch Him. You can't hear Him. Unless you have that small bit of faith that He really is the omnipresent One. Only then will you experience Him. To someone like Rex, who believes that faith is fake, well... I see that his faith in himself and his rationalizations has caused him to believe that all believers are wrong and he is right.
I don't fault him for this. I only pray he would know God's everlasting love and mercy. God's not going to force anyone to believe in Him. But seek Him and He will come into your life as only He can. Filling your soul with His grace overflowing.

animalgirl...
Reckon you are more than capable of your own defense! Good to see you back. I should say I am at a complete loss as to what it was that you actually SAID though that caused such an irrational and unreasonable reaction! As for the guys piling on? LOL! Part of the fun!

FOR THE KING ET AL
what would be the most rational choice is to not believe in things you cannot know. there may indeed be a metaphysical part of humanity. i think that can be shown. the details are not knowable in this life. believing god talks to you or one book or another has divine direction is not rational. it is knowing by faith, not reason. if you wish to believe, bless you. but it is not rational, and please do not try to drag others along with you and certainly we do not need another president that speaks to god, hears answers and likely speaks in tongues too. it is not helpful in the real world. frankly it is nuts.

JimmyJoe
"Been a pleasure. That said, I disagree with your interpretation of what he said, but no big thing either way. Cheers."

Look at what he said and we'll break it down.

"After reading Mikes column i wondered to myself how long would it be before some nitwit wrote something negative about it. not surprisingly we got 2 out of the 1st 5 entries. You know i'm not very religious. But if someone else is i dont feel the need to goof on them. Why would you get past the 1st few sentences if you think its all jive?"

Here's what he said.
1) He wondered how long it's be before Dr. Adams would be attacked.
2) 2 of the first 5 posts were gc and nt250 (both attacking people for believing, not for criticizing Mike)
3) He's not very religious but...
4) If other people *are* religious, he doesn't feel the need to attack them.
5) If somebody thinks religion is "jive", why would they bother reading the whole column?

That was as simple as I could make it for you.

Good luck...

Patriot
I appreciate your efforts to "simplify"... but I'm afraid they are wasted.

1. "Some" nitwit wrote something "negative" implies only a nitwit WOULD write something negative. Also, if you remember, he titled his piece "losers" who would do so etc... etc.

2. He doesnt distinguish between what is "negative" and "honest criticism," again leaving an impression that ANYthing negative could only be written by a "nitwit." I and a number of other posters wrote "negatively." I have SERIOUS reservations about the religious sentiments expressed. However, I would NOT see this as an "attack" on Dr. Adams. FAR from it. But his definition of "negative" IMPLIES anything negative IS such an "attack."

3. He THEN - LATER - makes the point about his not being "religous". So what? This does NOT clarify what he has PREVIOUSLY stated. And UNlike you, I give NO brownie points for the non- or ir-religious from refraining from "attacking" those who are religious. This does NOT give him a pass.

I have summarised this to the best of my poor ability. I dont know how I can express this any simplier. I really dont know why you are pursuing it....

gc
Well then just call me nuts. I'm blessed coming in and going out! There, I'm nuts and it still feels good! God loves me and you equally my friend. It's just that I have found the way to communicate with him. Once again, God loves you and me equally. Oops said it again. But then, I'm nuts. And you know what? Because God loves me, I love life! What's not to love? I see God's grace in all things. The earth and the universe really are beautiful creations. You should take a look through nutty eyes.

Patriot and Jimmy Joe
You two are the epitomy of what is wrong with the nation. We're talking about faith and what God can do and you two are arguing semantics. Way off subject. Quit trying to out intellect the other and move on. Sheesh!

animalgirl..
Oh well... guess that explains it then! I have to say though that I find it fascinating how self-styled "Christians" can write with such venom...!!

animalgirlisback
"I think he's just still smarting from being pwned."

He should be used to THAT by now. JimmyJoe might have been wrong about bostguy112 but he was right about notashamed.

I noticed that you spoke of your church, then were attacked by notaclue, then you told him you were a Quaker and he attacked that too. I just find it rich to attack something like faith. I can tell, clearly, that he's an idiot, but it takes a real mental midget to try and tell somebody else what their faith is, or isn't. I'd never tell somebody else that they're not a Christian, that assumes far too much but as Amy Grant eludes to in Fat Baby, some are hypocrites.


Karennkc
"I did not find Governor Sebelius’ comments to be at all politically oriented, just reality oriented."

You do know that she's backing off her original claim now, right? She was proven wrong.

retsmgt
happy to oblige sir.

again, i do not object to you believing whatever you wish, but if you make it public, people have a right to dissagree and object if you wish to use your faith as a basis for law or influence over others.

RetMSgt
Wow. That is a bit strong! I reckon Patriot is a pretty decent guy, who thought I misinterpreted a post, and was doing his Christian duty in pointing it out. Likewise, I thought HE misinterpreted said post and did MY duty... etc.

And if WE are the "epitomy" of what is "wrong" with the nation, in YOUR view... I think that is a sad reflection on your view. I say this with respect.

I would think Roe vs Wade - you know - the taking of innocent life in the womb or some such - is more of an "epitomy" of what is wrong with the nation that poor old Patriot and myself having a - clarification! As you say... Sheesh!!

I'm not knocking anybody for their faith
It started with a joke, and some of you engaged me. And it's some really good debate. Most of you are living up to the Christian way. I appreciate your words. Flagwaver, more power to you. But you chose to enter the fray, remember that. This isn't about attacking you, but addressing what The King said. No, not Elvis, but a post herein. I found his "faith" to be rationalized, which completely invalidates it. And that is interesting to me. Maybe you recognize yourself in The King's fake faith? Maybe not. If you have real faith, again, more power to you. But be honest...can you rationalize it. Have you ever rationalized it? Then you don't have it. "Faith" goes against all rationalized thought. That's why they call it faith.

Now, I'm no athiest...there's definitely a higher power. Maybe it finds me one day. I wouldn't reject it. But I don't envision ever being at the end of myself, as one of you mentioned. One doesn't have to be Christian to exhibit the Christian work ethic, which will take care of me (as long as the liberals don't win over). It's just not in my makeup to seek a higher power in facing obstacles.



RetMSgt
"Patriot and Jimmy Joe
You two are the epitomy of what is wrong with the nation. We're talking about faith and what God can do and you two are arguing semantics. Way off subject."

Actually, I was talking about faith, you're just too ignorant to see it. If you had actually read what I said was about faith.


"I reckon Patriot is a pretty decent guy, who thought I misinterpreted a post, and was doing his Christian duty in pointing it out. Likewise, I thought HE misinterpreted said post and did MY duty... etc.

And if WE are the "epitomy" of what is "wrong" with the nation, in YOUR view... I think that is a sad reflection on your view. I say this with respect. "

You can respect him, if you want, he's lost mine.




Naw.. Patriot.
I do think it a sad reflection of his view, but then perhaps he was careless in how he expressed himself.... sort of like... bostguy112! Dont be too hard on the guy!

I became teary
As I read this. Perhaps because I pray to God every day to let me find her.

Rex_Rants
You write: "Faith" goes against all rationalized thought"

I have to respectfully disagree. While faith is an essential part of Christianity (I can't speak to any other religion). We are in fact told,in Hebrews, that without faith it is impossible to please God. But we are never told to have a blind faith as if evidence supporting Christianity is a bad thing because it decreases our faith and evidence against Christianity is desirable because it increases our faith. The apostle Peter admonishes us to be ready to give a reason (Greek apologia=defense) for the hope that is in us. The apostle Paul tells us that the very creation has evidence enough of God and His eternal power so that anyone who denies Him is without excuse. If I say that the moon is made of green cheese contrary to all evidence that is a blind faith. Christianity is no such faith it is a faith based on reason and evidence.

JimmyJoe
"I do think it a sad reflection of his view, but then perhaps he was careless in how he expressed himself.... sort of like... bostguy112! Dont be too hard on the guy!"

He'd have to kiss some rear to regain it then. :D

animalgirlisback, your facts are
wrong and more wrong. Before you spread more lies you had best check before opening your mouth and inserting your foot.
1)Malevolent? I said this where? Oh wait, I didn't.
SANDMAN said, "You can call yourself anything you want, but I find it a bit hard to swallow that the hate-filled malevolent posts running regularly under your nom de plume could be written by an actual member of "The Friends".

2) NPR? Here is our exchange, in exact quotes, following that column:
Your quote: "Also, still waiting for actual evidence of bias at NPR... still don't have any? I'm not surprised."

MY reply to YOU: Now this question of yours leaves me completely stymied. I do not listen to NPR, nor did any of my posts specifically mention it. Why do you keep asking me about it?

AGIB, your ignorance is in full color display once again. I do not appreciate you lying about my posts to you. If you cannot keep your facts straight, keep your mouth closed. Pawned, I don't think so. Smarter enough to catch you in your lies? Without a doubt.

AGB, also
"I just find it rich to attack something like faith. I can tell, clearly, that he's an idiot, but it takes a real mental midget to try and tell somebody else what their faith is, or isn't. I'd never tell somebody else that they're not a Christian,..."

But you don't have any problems calling someone an idiot and mental midget...better eat a piece of hypocritical pie yourself.

Mike Understands an Important Truth
Bone of my bones, flesh of my flesh.
Adam did not doubt for a second the providence of God. Men today are so vain, they categorically deny the intervention of God in their daily lives. Mike understands that faith in Jesus Christ involves the individual with a living, personal God who choses to activly engage the whole man. Yes God communicates with those who will listen. But he is not rude and usually does not intrude, if you insist on His silence,you will probably have your way.

not ashamed IS right.
You rightly defended yourself against having called animalgirl "malovent". I mean, you ONLY called her:

"hate-filled,spiteful, bitter, angry, sarcastic, disturbed personna""

LOL! Of course, she was under such attack from not just you and Sandman, that it is hardly surprising that she might have confused one of you with the other! Naturally, of course, if she is mistaken, she MUST be "lying" (I dont think!)

Regarding the expressions "mental midget" and "idiot"... again, my dearest person, (I'm not sure if you are a man or a woman - either way you are a most bitter represantive of man/WOman kind...) they pale by comparison to the torrent of abuse YOU have directed at her!

Cannot you see this? It is obvious to a fool. (NOT that I am NOT calling you a fool by the way... I believe that Christ Himself has forbidden this in the Sermon on the Mount!)

OOPS!
Freudian slip... Double negative in last sentence unintentional. Should read "NOT that I AM... etc..."

notashamed to be wrong
""I just find it rich to attack something like faith. I can tell, clearly, that he's an idiot, but it takes a real mental midget to try and tell somebody else what their faith is, or isn't. I'd never tell somebody else that they're not a Christian,..."

But you don't have any problems calling someone an idiot and mental midget...better eat a piece of hypocritical pie yourself."

That wasn't AGB, idiot, that was me you quoted. While we can't judge people's faith, it's easy to see the morons. Thanks for proving me right about you once again. :D

Patriot
I can only say ONE thing. Heh!

I dont suppose, do you think, when Christ told us to refrain from calling our brother a "fool" he meant to include "idiot" and "moron" and stuff? Naw. Couldnt have!

NATBR
It is quite aparent that the person who attacked faith has none herself. If you have no faith then how do you know the sun will rise for you tomorrow. It might not you know. Lets take one that her scientificmind can grasp. How does she know man landed on the moon? Could be faked. She has faith in her government to have the skills to accomplish it. But where did those people get those abilities? I believe man landed there because God gave them the ability to do so. And before you start on me about the shuttle that blew up AGB Remember God is infallible But man is not. He makes mistakes.

elizabethb
i am sorry, but blind faith and faith is a distinction without a difference.

that there is evidence about the existence of historical chistianity, or even evidence that there is a mataphysical side to humanity is not apriori evidence of the existence of the christian god. that belief is 100% faith with no earthly supporting proof. belief is not proof. that others believed in the past is not proof. thats all we are saying. if you care to believe, have at it. just keep your beliefs seperate from public business or it will be done for you. no one is tresspassing on your beliefs, you respect ours. call it good.

as for me, i am done with the political side of the christian right. we had jimmy c, and george w, bastante. they are not good at earthly matters. in fact they were equally terrible leaders.

JimmyJoe
"I dont suppose, do you think, when Christ told us to refrain from calling our brother a "fool" he meant to include "idiot" and "moron" and stuff? Naw. Couldnt have!"

Like with faith, that's between Jesus, God and I. I call them like I see them. :D


Well Patriot
I have enjoyed your posts, - esp your last one, and having read some of the above, I dont see how Christ could have EXcluded the terms "idiots" and "morons" from our use! (Whew!)

Patriot
Actually, you have taken me completely up wrongly and I can say this with 100% certitude. I thought my meaning was plain from the context in which I was speaking.

First, I was NOT "preaching" at you. FAR from it. I was laughing WITH you. Which you should have seen when I said "Heh!" Because that post YOU wrote to which I was referring was genuinely FUNNY.

Second, I was being TOTALLY ironic in what I was saying. This should have been obvious from the fact that I was being lighthearted... as indicated by "Heh". It should ALSO have been obvious from my PREVIOUS post addressed to the SAME person when I had my "freudian slip"...

It should ALSO have been obvious by my LAST post, in which I stated (clearly???) that "I ENJOYED your posts - esp your last one." Making it as CLEAR as I could that Christ MUST have NO objection to such terms given some of the posts which have appeared on THIS thread.

From my INITIAL defense of your use of the word "idiot" on my 6.39 pm post, it should AGAIN be obvious that I have no difficulty with it.

Last point. My LAST comment is about as clear as it can be. Jesus didNT EXclude... etc... again, the "whew" in brackets should have indicated I was speaking lightly.

Now, as regards "preaching". I fear you fall into that trap yourSELF, in telling me what I have a "say" in and not. I have no problem with ANYone saying ANYthing the heck they want. Including you. If I disagree or whatever, I will state my case.

This is ridiculous, and we are going round in circles. You may recall previously that I assumed we were at "cross purposes" and perhaps singing from the same hymn sheet? Maybe. But I really dont care too much at this stage. RetMSgt had a point when he said "Sheesh"...!!

JimmyJoe
"First, I was NOT "preaching" at you. FAR from it. I was laughing WITH you. Which you should have seen when I said "Heh!" Because that post YOU wrote to which I was referring was genuinely FUNNY. "

I got the "heh" that wasn't the problem.

When you try to tell me what Jesus would would or wouldn't exclude from MY vocabulary, you are preaching.


"I fear you fall into that trap yourSELF, in telling me what I have a "say" in and not. I have no problem with ANYone saying ANYthing the heck they want. Including you. If I disagree or whatever, I will state my case."

Maybe you don't understand the expression. I didn't tell you that you couldn't say whatever you want, just that your opinion means nothing. That you have "zero say," means that that what you say about my relationship with Jesus has zero weight.


"You may recall previously that I assumed we were at "cross purposes" and perhaps singing from the same hymn sheet? Maybe. But I really dont care too much at this stage. RetMSgt had a point when he said "Sheesh"...!!"

At least we're still talking about faith. :D


Patriot
But. I did NOT "try to tell you" what "Jesus would or wouldnt exclude from your vocab." ALL of my references to that were in JEST. As I have just explained. SORRY! OK???

Lighten up.

As for my "opinion meaning nothing" well.. that is pretty insulting. An expression I DO "understand." Let's just drop it. We are not "talking" faith. Or anything. We are going round and round in pointless circles. Sorry I spoke. Sorry I joked.

Patriot
In addition, I made NO reference to "your relationship with Jesus". Nor would I want to. EVER. I have no INTEREST in your relationship with Jesus. That is your business. This is ALL BASIC stuff.

Read my posts in context, and in general. You will find a light tone throughout. Except in responding to certain outrageous posts, denigrating others unfairly. Just as you have now done to me. I believe we have nothing more to say to each other.

JimmyJoe
"ALL of my references to that were in JEST. As I have just explained. SORRY! OK???"

OK, so you were preaching, in jest. I can accept that. :D


"As for my "opinion meaning nothing" well.. that is pretty insulting. An expression I DO "understand.""

When it comes to MY relationship with God, it really does mean nothing. That shouldn't be offensive though, faith is personal.


"We are not "talking" faith. Or anything. We are going round and round in pointless circles. Sorry I spoke. Sorry I joked."

I was talking about faith, I mentioned it in some form or another in almost every post, I think. I thought we already dealt with the joke?


"Lighten up."

Perhaps you've missed the various ":D" I use? :D


Elizabeth and animalgirl
It's been a pleasure meeting you both. Hope to catch you again sometime. Best.

Animalgirlisback,
A lie is a lie. Not sure you would recognize it though. Instead of changing the subject why don't you admit that you lied in a poor attempt to discredit me? Kind of like lying about that genius two year old who sits on your lap and tells you all about conservatives.
Once again, Michael Savage is absolutely correct when he says "liberalism IS A MENTAL disorder."
By the way, I passed on your first post to several people, ALL of them said, "What is wrong with that person that she would even say something like that?" To which I replied,
Her "writings are of a hate-filled,spiteful, bitter, angry, sarcastic, disturbed personna (even more laughable when claiming to hold Quaker beliefs)trying to show off. Maturity? Far from it." ALL of them agreed even more when I shared more of your posts. And then we all laughed and pitied you at the same time.


Belated response to Rex Rants, AnimalGir
Rex wrote:
"will he give me back these last few minutes that I lost reading this tripe?
...99% of religious folks don't have faith"

God will not give you back the few minutes you spent 'reading this tripe'. That is the nature of free will, which God has granted us: you made the decision to read, and you are responsible for it.
As for knowing whether 99% of Christians have true faith... you haven't met 99% of Christians, so you can't possibly know.

Animalgirl wrote:
"I wonder how many children died of cancer while God was busy match-making for this fellow"

If you knew God, you would understand that God exists outside of time. God multitasks. Honestly, do Quakers believe God stops listening to His followers whenever He is busy, like Elijah suggested of Baal? This seems an odd objection to raise for a Christian, whether Quaker or Southern Baptist or what have you.

Tallil2long
"God multitasks."

Love it... :D


"This seems an odd objection to raise for a Christian, whether Quaker or Southern Baptist or what have you."

Another good point and as I keep telling people who bring up Christians' mistakes, "Christians aren't perfect, only saved." The idea that God might be "too busy" seems like a Jim Carey movie and also ignores "free will" as well. Perhaps she was just being sarcastic?


truthspotlight
I don’t think you are a liberal. I was writing in the style that Dr. Adams often employs and is so adored around here. Is the story true? Maybe. Did Mike pray to God? Quite possibly. Are all the details accurate? That too is possible, but I suspect they may have been embellished to make a point. For me though, the bottom line is: I don’t think it was a good story and Dr. Adams has embroidered too many stories for me to take him simply at face value.

bostguy112: It’s not the religious aspect but the literary aspect that I didn’t like. Mike is skilled at satire, but not prose. I think the story was corny and filled with innuendo. If you liked it, that’s fine. I didn’t. That doesn’t make me a nitwit.

not ashamed to be right...
I think from this point, animalgirl should just ignore you.

NASTbr: "By the way, I passed on your first post to several people, ALL of them said, "What is wrong with that person that she would even say something like that?"

The answer is: NOTHING.

NASTbr: "To which I replied, Her "writings are of a hate-filled,spiteful, bitter, angry, sarcastic, disturbed personna (even more laughable when claiming to hold Quaker beliefs)trying to show off. Maturity? Far from it."

I cant believe you are repeating this UNChristian, UNcharitable charge.

NASTbr: "ALL of them agreed even more when I shared more of your posts."

All this proves, if indeed it is even true, is that there are more people like... YOU on the planet. Horror of horrors!!!!!!

NASTbr: "And then we all laughed and pitied you at the same time."

"All" of you are mentally ill. You have no cause to "laugh" at animalgirl, who whipped your butt over and over fair and square. As for "pity" - I doubt you even know the meaning of the word. I doubt you could find pity for a dying kitten. But then, thats just me.

Tallil2long
Animalgirl wrote:
"I wonder how many children died of cancer while God was busy match-making for this fellow"

You replied:
If you knew God, you would understand that God exists outside of time. God multitasks.

Yes, yes. Animalgirl no doubt KNOWS this. Given that you are reading a column by Mike Adams, who is a skilled satirist himSELF, and uses sarcasm to great effect in other columns, I thought you might recognise that same quality in animalgirl's comment. But no... Jezzz.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Dear dc -
All of us who speak to God need help - that's why we do it. When (not IF) He replies, we have that help. Just continue sleeping.

animalgirlisback
Apparently you are an articulate believer who can do much better than the angry one-liners you throw at people. So, why do you love it when people dismiss you as an atheist or a crazy person? Your last comment was an effective sermon on faith in itself. Why didn't you say that first?

It's a shame that
someone can't write what apparently is a beautiful testimony of God's love and blessings without triggering all the cr@p that we see in so many of these postings.

Telling, I say. Everybody should look in a mirror -- me included.

Beautiful story
Sweet and touching. Amazing that it could generate so much anger. It's your story and you told it well. (And God can micro-manage my life anytime.)

animalgirl
Actually, your stuff doesnt come across as "angry" at ALL. I like the way you write, VERY much. It is refreshing and honest, and I share your opinions.

I think in this forum, whenever you have criticisms of ANY columnist to make, you can expect a knee-"jerk" (heh!) reaction from particular individuals, who read into what you said what you never either said OR meant. But these are not representative. They SEEM to be so, but in fact are not.

When I read NASTbr's comment to you, I searched back through everything you had said, and couldnt find a SINGLE thing to justify her comment, which she has repeated.

But then, when you DO point out that the "adored emperor" has no clothes, you can EXPECT to be criticised. But THAT is no big thing. Christ Himself told us this was par for course.

Dont let it stop you writing, or contributing. Think of it as fun. You may note ElizabethBennet's contribution above. I gathered from her handle that she is a Jane Austen fan. I think Jane Austen was a genius, and have read and re-read every novel she ever wrote. SHE was NOTED for her sense of irony, which added GREATLY to her quality as a writer and observer of humanity.

Another example of that is MikeR. I have always liked HIS contributions, because they are calm and considered, but HE gets jumped on occasionally too, because he has occasionally criticised Dr. Adams.

Neither Dr. Adams, nor ANYone who writes in a public forum, is beyond criticism. Constructive criticism is in FACT to HIS benefit because if he is smart, he will take that on board over time, and over the years, will improve beyond recognition. No big thing. Take it on the chin and keep your chin up!

And animalgirl - you ARE an "atheist"..
... when it comes to believing in the Santa Claus "god." Good for you. That belief is for children. As St. Paul told us, we are to "put away childish things." Problem is, people are attached to those very things, and find this difficult to do. But they never grow up. They see God as an ATM machine, and all they have to do is press the button and get what THEY want.

See that poor kid "jamie" who had "tears in his eyes" reading this column, because HE too wants to find a wife! Well, he wont find one reading this. If he is praying for it, then he HAS to accept that God may say "no" as well as "yes" - OR may say "wait"... indefinately. AND accept EITHER answer with equal gladness - because GOD knows BEST - better than jamie himself - what is good for jamie.

This does NOT come across in Dr. Adams story, and it is very important. What if God says "no," and beCAUSE God says "no" jamie comes to the conclusion that God is useless - or that God doesnt answer prayer???? All you did, was try to point this out. And you were right to do so.

WRITTEN BY A CRIMINOLOGY PROFESSOR?

Sorry, Mike, but this column must have been ghost-written. It could not possibly have been written by some hard-bitten criminology professor. It was just too beautiful.

animalgirlisback
You were right the first time, Animalgirlisback. God is Santa Claus--of holiness and goodness! Why, just the other day I was hungry and I prayed, "God, get me a sandwich! I've been waiting all morning. Send a sign that I should go find something to eat." And then my friend Barb came by my office and said, "Mark, you wanna go grab something to eat?" And I wasn't sure that was the sign that God meant, so I prayed, "God, you know how hungry I am, so why don't you show me a sign that I should go eat with Barb!" And--this is the really freaky part--that is when Barb said, "Hey, it's my treat." Really! I am SO glad that Mr. Mike understands that the Holy Bible--the book that explains all life's mysteries and the force of God Almighty Himself--is not just a book to live by, it's a book to order a new life by!

My meal with Barb was OK, by the way. The chicken sandwich was a little dry, and the portions were small. Barb kinda skimped on the quality of the place. But I think that was Satan. He wanted to spoil my lunch.

Got him on trouble on campus?
What happened?

Mister Vince
"Hey Mikee -- did you and the wife have SEX before you married?
(Betcha they did -- hhhhheee )"

Are you 12?

Grow up...

ohhh!
God *does* work in mysterious ways!

THIS was the sign that they should be married:

http://blogs.salon.com/0002874/2004/12/01.html

Link
Here's the link to their love story ...

http://blogs.salon.com/0002874/2004/12/01.html#a1310

Heart-warming! I want a good Christian woman who is so articulate and compassionate. Lovely!

Hey Patriot...
You a christian?

Huh?

What church do you attend every Lard's Day?

Do you TITHE? (ya better !!)

Did you have sex before your marriage? Most hypocrites do.

Better answer -- tell the truth -- you are under oath, Gawd is watching.

Tedmug - Vince will go to church..
Yep - but ya gotta pay me $1,000,000. Then I will attend the church of your choice.

Mister Vince
"Better answer -- tell the truth -- you are under oath, Gawd is watching."

I don't know who you THINK you are but *my* faith is between God and I.

Again, grow up, kid.

Patriot, the christian
"I don't know who you THINK you are but *my* faith is between God and I."

You mean "between God and me". And it is obvious that you love Jesus. :)


"Again, grow up, kid."

Like you?

God's blessings for animalgirlisback
animalgirlisback was questioning why God isn't making "everyone" equally prosperous,etc. She is obviously quite ignorant of God's Word. The entire book of Deuteronomy is about receiving God's blessings or curses and the criteria to be used. In the Old Testament it lays down food and health laws, which most people ignore and are then forced to suffer the consequences through illness and even early death. (Most Christians even believe those food laws were "done away" with and then wonder why our bodies are loaded with mercury, parasites,fat-clogged arteries, etc.) In the New Testament we are reminded not to stray from Him because, like the sheep who wander from their shepherd, that's when the enemy attacks us. If she really wants answers to her questions, she should be looking for them in God's Word, not spouting an ignorant opinion. And don't bother replying...I'm going to bed.

Great Post
Paul A writes: Wednesday, May, 09, 2007 10:58 AM
"Scripture abuse
I'm a Christian, and I find the story weak-minded. To use the Judges passage in this way is simply an abuse of the scripture.

Read it again -- Gideon asked for (and received) two *specific* and *supernatural* signs. Now, if the fellow in Mr. Adams' story had asked God, "okay, God, if you want me to marry that girl, have my parents and her parents meet at Joe's Diner at mile marker 243 on I-70 at 6:43PM and call us about it", then you may have a case for a supernatural sign.

This other way of making decisions (taking coincidental occurrences as supernatural signs) is dangerous -- it has believers reading meaning into any number of events, and then taking them as divine decree. Why not just read tea leaves?

If God needs to communicate a message to you, why does he need some vague, subjective experience to do it? In the Bible, when God needs to communicate directly with people ("special revelation"), it is direct, supernatural, and unmistakable."

* * * * *

That was a great post ^ . . . I'm troubled by the guy's history of bad dating experiences because my parents have been married for over 30 years, all my boyfriends parents have been married that long, I've never been cheated on, and the friends I have whose parents are divorced tend to date people who have been divorced too. My point being that when the fellow in this piece ends up in an inevitable power struggle with his wife, will he perceive THAT as a sign from God that they should seek a divorce? And why didn't God give him before the wisdom to share with his past girlfriends about what it was in them that needed a healing?

I don't know . . . I believe in the Holy Trinity because I choose to take that leap of faith, and believe that things happen for a reason. But something about this fairy tale I find troublesome . . .

Matlock
Matlock: "She is obviously quite ignorant of God's Word."

Matlock: "If she really wants answers to her questions, she should be looking for them in God's Word, not spouting an ignorant opinion."

Yes, I think we get the message. You take it on yourSELF to judge her. Who do YOU think YOU are?

Matlock: "And don't bother replying...I'm going to bed."

LOL! What a cop out! You show up throw your insulting condescension around, and then disappear in a cowardly run so as not to have to stand over what you said! Nicely done indeed, and in a MOST Christian spirit!!

For your information, Christ HimSELF dealt with the issue YOU raise, coming to animalgirl's conclusion - not yours.

He healed the sick, because God's will is that we are ALL healed and whole. He did NOT blame the sickness on their individual "sinfulness."

Animalgirl raised a CENTRAL point to be faced with by ALL Christians, and for which there is no easy answer. Why do the GOOD have to suffer? As Christ Himself said, "the rains fall on the good and bad alike." (Matthew 5,44-45)

Fact is, Christ saved HIS condemnation for sinners of a specific kind. The self-righteous Pharisee.... who JUDGES others...

Oh, and Matlock
Good MORNING. Have a nice day.

To all the doubting Thomases

Even if you are one hundred percent sure God does not exist just try one little experiment. Go to a church, it doesn't matter which one, they'll all welcome you. Make yourself comfortable and open your heart and mind.

Pray for the little old lady sitting next to you. Or for a loved one or family member. Pray for the sick or deceased. You can even pray for yourself. Or just sit there and think about everything you have to be thankful for.

You just might be surprised what happens.

Oh, my God, Oh, Mark
Just when I thought Adams' columns couldn't sink any lower into the mire of Hallmark card wisdom, he has surprised me again!

Mark, I also had a religious experience the other day. I said, "I wish it would rain, then I wouldn't have to water the lawn", and do you know what? The next day it rained! God cares about my raspberries, he loves me, he really loves me!

Isn't it a good thing he doesn't confuse us with Iraqis? (I mean the ones who are found tortured to death in the alleys of Baghdad) Obviously, he doesn't like them as much as my raspberries.

Revelation
Mormons beleive in modern revelation. They know and understand that God does speak and reveal things especially if ask.

I have always known that Baptists etc. actually did beleived in revelation. This story is a clear case of revelation. Why is it that Modern Protestants claim not to believe in revelation? That the gifts of the spirit only existed during the time of the early church?

to JoJo
Note that there are two Marks in this blog.

Just in case you wrote it to me.

The difference between Iraqis and Americans is that under Saddam they were ordered to torture and rape, Saddam’s sons did it their selves. Americans are not allowed to commit criminal acts during war.

When we entered Kuwait City in 1991, we were greeted with hugs, kisses and cheers. It was because they went through several months of tortures and rapes. They knew that we would do what is right. Those that are tortured in the streets of Bagdad are due to people like you that believe we are doing something wrong by protecting them and distort the truth to serve your agenda, though you have to facts to substantiate.

The Left is a powerful propaganda tool that is able to distort the truth and demonize our efforts in Iraq.

You are another brainwashed member of the collective reading articles that you don't even like to spread an agenda that is detrimental to liberty.

Yeah, JoJo...
SO there. You agenda-spreading brainwashed member you.

But do keep reading here because your brain will get dirty again.

Mister Vince
"You mean "between God and me". And it is obvious that you love Jesus. :)"

Like I already told you, my faith is between God and me. That you can only correct grammar on the internet says more about you than me, boy.

Grow up, kid.

Who is God?
Who is this God guy you are all talking about?

Jesus wants Patriot to confess---
-- with his mouth that he believes in Jesus.

And yes, I want to grow up and be exactly like Mr. Patriot.

Mister Vince
"Jesus wants Patriot to confess---
-- with his mouth that he believes in Jesus"

You're not Jesus and He can take that up with me next time we talk but that relationship is none of your business either.


"And yes, I want to grow up and be exactly like Mr. Patriot."

Good luck...with either. :D


Touching
That had all the forced sentimentality of a cheesy Reader's Digest story. It felt like one of those mass-forwarded emails you get--the ones you groan and roll your eyes at because you had just wasted time reading it. I was half expecting the last line to read "Send this to 10 of your closest friends or a ghost will appear to you tonight. This is not a lie!".

Oy
Mike S. Adams has but two modes: childishly sarcastic and sickeningly sappy. Both are tiresome, both at least with the latter you might get a good laugh.

Commentary / $.02
Ordinarily I enjoy reading the comments on Townhall; particularly the humorous filth the liberals attempt to foist off on the rest of us as "truth" and "light."

What I'm seeing here, following an enjoyable column by one of my favorite authors, has devolved to the level of personal attacks, not only on God and religous beliefs in general, but on many of the other posters. Whether or not you share my belief in God is immaterial, but using this as a forum to launch personal attacks is really tacky.

Just my two cents, as a God-fearing, conservative, Republican soldier.

Animalgirl
Just wanted to say I went back and read some of your earlier posts, and while I disagree with a couple of your opinions, that's the purpose of a forum like this. Whether or not you're "hate-filled" like some have said or "cuddly" isn't for me to decide. I wish you were in Colorado, though - I think you'd be a fascinating person to sit down and talk with.
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