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Wednesday, February 28, 2007
Mike Adams :: Townhall.com Columnist
Me and Julio Down by the Schoolyard
by Mike Adams
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Yesterday afternoon, I logged on to the "Global War" blog (global-war.bloghi.com) of Associate Professor Julio Pino – a Muslim convert who teaches at Kent State University. The heading for the site used to read "The Worldwide Web of Jihad: Daily News from the Most Dangerous Muslim in America." Now it reads "Are You Prepared for Jihad?" IN THE NAME OF OBL. 2007: THE YEAR OF ISLAMIC VICTORY!"

Hardly able to believe what I was reading, I called Pino at his office in Ohio around 4 p.m. According to his secretary, he had not been at work that day (he only has office hours two days of the week). He was drawing a paycheck from the people of the State of Ohio while trying to launch a Jihad against people like me. In fact, just five minutes before I called he posted an entry under the title "Crusaders Can’t Take Anymore in Afghanistan!"

Pino began his morning of not going into his office at Kent State by penning a post under the title “Frightened British Crusaders Rush More Troops to Occupied Afghanistan.” Using terms like “occupation” and “Crusaders” it isn’t really necessary to read these posts in order to ascertain who this employee of the State of Ohio is rooting for in the War on Terror.

But, just in case you were curious about the purpose of this site, it is provided in the upper right corner: "We are a jihadist news service, and provide battle dispatches, training manuals, and jihad videos to our brothers worldwide. All we want is to get Allah’s pleasure. We will write ‘Jihad’ across our foreheads, and the stars. The angels will carry our message throughout the world."

There is also an "Oath of Freedom" in the upper right corner: "We were born free. We will live freely and when death comes to us, we will die freely. Jihad is changing all that can be changed; freeing ourselves through our own efforts; and the conviction that truth will prevail, inshallah."

Under the entry "Sister Detonates Herself to Eliminate Shia Traitors" there is a description of a female suicide bomber who recently killed 41 people. Just in case you wondered how the host of the site feels about the suicide bomber, the next line tells you: "Now she lies on the Golden Couch of Paradise."

Despite his clear support of mass murder, he once complained that the Jews were engaged in genocide against the Palestinians. He claimed that as a result of that assertion, he was "harassed" and received "death threats."

I’ve always assumed that a person who advocates mass murder runs the risk of getting an occasional death threat in the office. Maybe Pino isn’t really the "Most Dangerous Muslim in America." Maybe he’s just a pro-Palestinian pansy whose cushy job with the State of Ohio lets him hide inside his house while real men are doing the work that keeps this great nation going.

But, just to be fair to Pino, he is more balanced in his teaching than a lot of my colleagues at UNC-Wilmington. In fact, he’s even willing to criticize an occasional Democrat. He says that John F. Kennedy once planned "genocide against the Cuban people" in the 1960s. He also claims that President Bill Clinton killed "more than 500,000 Iraqi children" in the 1990s.

Although obsessed with the notion that America is being over-run by "Christian fascism," he has affectionately referred to his students his "little Jihadists" and his "beloved Taliban." In other words, he makes no bones about the fact that he works to indoctrinate, not educate, the children of the taxpayers of the State of Ohio.

Many people believe that Julio Pino deserves to be fired because of his public statements about the War on Terror. I disagree. A simple firing is too light a punishment.

Dr. Julio Pino, for his decision to "provide battle dispatches, training manuals, and jihad videos to our (enemies) worldwide" deserves to be arrested and sent to an island off the coast of North America, striped naked, interrogated, and, if necessary, tortured to ascertain the extent of his involvement in assisting our enemies.

After we are done with him, he is free to return to Ohio. That is unless, of course, he is found to be something more than a professorial pansy posing as a genuine Jihadist.

Dr. Pino is still afraid to return Dr. Adams calls. Allah seems to have blessed the Cuban convert with an unusually small "julio-ju dilly."

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What Pino Deserves....
I doubt that this guy holds any valuable intel. I suggest "honoring" him by taking him to Afganistan and placing him with a pack of fellow jihadists, then let our soldiers dispatch them all on their way - down to meet their allah in that exceptionally warm paradise that he has waiting for them.

Dr. Jihad
Before the Drudge Repot or Mike Adams reported on Pino, book author and blogger Susan Murphy-Milano was already on the case. She and a small group of other bloggers, such as loser-blue.bloghi.com, attempted to bring Dr. Pino’s activities to light back in 2006. I spoke with Murphy-Milano over the weekend and was able to learn several things.
http://www.globalconservative.com/KenStaEvidence.htm

gone with the wind...
Well, I've heard nothing new about this, anyone else? I'm still hoping for a follow up article.

Julio is Cuban?
Well, now we know he is receiving more than one government check.

We called him "Crazy Hands"
I was a student of Dr. Pino in May of 2005. He was spreading his anti-amreican way on to his classes everyday. He purposefully scheduled his ciriculum to forbid any students from participating in pro-American literature reading. All of the materials were of the anti-american demeanor. My final paper for the class was trashed when he read it, do to it not being Anti-American. He wanted it twisted to "America Strains the World." Pino constantly brainwashes his students with his Jihadist beleifs. I sincerely appreciate someone finally bringing this to the public eye. He does call us "little Jihadists" I remember Pino saying at one point in life he was a Catholic and just recently converted to Muslim Communism. The guy was a complete wack job. His history of speaking out agianst America goes much further than this class. When you guys research him a little harder you'll find out he has had it out for America for a lot longer than this past semester. And for those of you who have had him for a class. What the hell is up with that creepy hand he keeps waving around.

Go USA,

James Haddox
Concerned Citizen)

Enough!
I read through the comments until I couldn't take it anymore...

To ALL the defenders of this Prof. who is spewing hatred towards YOU & YOURS.
The Guy was interviewed by a news reporter on March 2nd who at least got him to ADMIT to the FACT the blog IS his and that his writings and opinions "are protected by the First Amendment". How is that for irony?

Now, my apologies if this has been mentioned by anyone already but like I said, I just couldn't take any more of the Leftie-Logic (oxymoron though it is) on the matter of whether or not he is responsible for the treasonous material.

And I also want to thank all those who see this guy and, so many more like him as a danger to our way of life. The enemy is here and thriving by using our own system against us! The wakeup America website is absolutely on the money.

Take for instance this little diddy.

In Boston, the Mayor has given a sweetheart land deal to CAIR (something like a 6 million dollar parcel of land for 2 million) to build a mosque on. Yet none of the liberal media or Dim politicians, or even the ACLU are screaming about how it violates the seperation of church and state.
Heck, the populace of the city (John Kerry among them) aren't even questioning the 4 million dollar loss of revenue to the city. Go Figure.

Needs Repeating
I've posted this link before, but in light of Mr Adams' piece, it bears repeating.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

Questions - take two
For those who continuously cite free speech.

1) Shouldn't we all make an effort in life to do the right thing?
2) Is Pino doing the right thing?
3) Do you believe that there is truth to the statement "with great freedom comes even greater responsibility"?
4) Should we have laws that mandate acting responsibly?
5) Should we be able to act responsibly on our own even if there are no laws requiring that we do?
6) Should we as tax-payers provide for the livelihood of those who wish us dead?
7) Should a patriot like Dr. Adams be criticized for shining a light on the fact that tax payers are providing for the livelihood of one who wishes us dead?

IMHO so many liberals are so preoccupied with being on the polar opposite side of the discussion from conservatives that they forget common sense. They are the same people who demand apologies from Ann Coulter, Michael Richardson, and Mel Gibson, but defend jihad boy's "right" to say whatever he wants...

more...
http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/16817462.htm

"A Kent State University faculty member accused of authoring an anti-American Web site said Thursday he ``absolutely'' does not support jihad, even though his photo and writings by him appear on the site.

Julio Pino, 46, said he calls the truth as he sees it.

``I am not the issue,'' he said calmly as he prepared for a class in Afro-Latin American History in KSU's Business Administration building. ``The issue is free speech.''

The site also includes a letter that Pino wrote under his name last year to the student-run newspaper the Daily Kent Stater. The same letter on the jihadist Web site is attributed to ``Lover of Angels'' but does not mention Kent State or Pino.

``You attack, and continue to attack, us everywhere,'' reads the letter on the Web site and in the student newspaper. ``The ill done to the Muslim nations must be requited. The Muslim child does not cry alone; the Muslim woman does not cry alone; and the Muslim man is already at your gates.''

The Web site attributes three other postings on its speech page to the unidentified Lover of Angels, one of which reads, ``Bush, why don't you tell your people that your soldiers are committing suicide, taking drugs and hallucination pills to make them sleep? By God, your dreams will be defeated by our blood and by our bodies.''

Pino declined to comment when asked if he was Lover of Angels."



I wonder why he's decline to comment on such a thing when cate has proof. :D

Unbelieveable
From : blogHi! - free blog hosting
URL : http://elmersbro.bloghi.com/2005/12/14/another-salvo-this-one-in-the-land-of-oz.html#comment-13688
Author : Lover of Angels (jpino@kent.edu) Author URL : http://global-war.bloghi.com/ Sent to : xxxxxxxxxxx@yahoo.com
--------------------

Comment:
Memo to Oz: M******f******, suck Howard's tiny c***, and while your at it, stick your own up yer mother's arse."


This professor sent this e-mail? On Kent State's e-mail?--that's akin to KSU letterhead IMO. Beside the fact that he uses vulgarities, and a personal attack, he seems to endorse homosexuality, and incest.
Has this been forwarded to his defenders at KSU? It's not very articulate nor original for a professor.

If that's how he's using his jpino@kent.edu e-mail I think he's involved KSU.

Web Site Provider....
Here's the web site providers info... Call them... Email them and ask them to shut the web site down. The government can't stifle free speech, but a private comapany can. Get them to shut this site down!!!

CustName: SMV
Address: 6861 Elm Street
Address: Suite 4-E
City: McLean
StateProv: VA
PostalCode: 22101
Country: US
RegDate: 2005-02-22
Updated: 2005-02-22

NetRange: 207.58.160.0 - 207.58.160.255

RTechHandle: NO178-ARIN
RTechName: Network Operations
RTechPhone: +1-703-847-1421
RTechEmail: noc@servint.com

OrgTechHandle: NO178-ARIN
OrgTechName: Network Operations
OrgTechPhone: +1-703-847-1421
OrgTechEmail: noc@servint.com

Let them have it!!! Nicely of course, but let them know we won't stand for it!

Also about the FBI sting claim....
Check the header of the site that claims he's an FBI informant - it's a self-proclaimed "FAKE NEWS" site.

The clevelandindy site got taken in by this as well.

Mike, if you are reading, I have the saved emails to show that the FBI sting post was a joke. If you want those I can forward them as well.

Cate
Of course, they have to twist and turn it so they don't have to admit the bias. The KSU president said it was OK as long as he doesn't use KSU resources to do it, which your email seems to dispute. Who cares if it's not his picture or site? He contributes.

Global War's Picture
The media seems to be having a hard time wrapping their brains around the fact that Pino's picture is not on the blog. Note to media: He didn't sign each post either.

The avatar for GlobalWar has changed a number of times - for a while it had a picture of Zarqawi. Another time I think it had the dead Saddam photo. These are symbols of what the blog stands for not vacation snapshots. ROTFL.

What is pathetically revealing is that the university didn't even recognize the photo. They said "That's not Dr. Pino." No... really???

Just for clarity, the soldier holding a mug of coffee in the upper left corner of my blog... that's not me, either ;-)


Trails of the Century
Dan and I left your class and decided to read your outstanding article. Not only are you a great professor who keeps us on our toes throughout the lecture, but your writing has the same effect. This article is great and really gives a good example of someone who should be forced to display his website infront of a batallion of Marines returning from the other side of the pond. Keep up the good work and shoot me an email of any other exciting articles you tackle!

Web paranoia?
I was in the process of writing an e-mail message to a friend and accessed the global-war blog to get the address to alert him about the garbage in that site but when I accessed it another one, DefendAmerica covered it. Nothing wrong with that; in fact I saved the address. But when I tried to return to my letter I found that it had been deleted. Has anyone else had this happen? In order to fight our enemy we need to know how they think and blocking out that info is a mistake.

BTW, according to the Akron paper the picture on the blog is not Pino but of a dead man: Ahmed al-Haznawi who was one of the hijackers on United Flight 93.

dablueshound
I addressed both those points myself too. The point that was TRYING to be made was that Christian/Jewish extremism was as prevalent an Islamic extremism by citing the klan and the IRA, etc. As I pointed out before...
1. The klan's hate is based on race not religion.
2. The IRA was political in nature and didn't target by race or religion, they targeted by nationality.

It's completely retarded to think that Christians and Jews are on religious crusades, like Pino tries to insinuate.

"Reality!?! What a concept." -- Robin Williams

Cad Man
Cadman asserts "Methinks you protest too much."

About what? I would agree the Provisionals are the bad guys. My points were two-fold:
1. The IRA does not equate, in my mind, to the KKK. That said, I cannot find your original post in this regard. I remember it thus, if I am wrong, which actually happens from time-to-time, I apologise for my accusation.
2. Your original post stated the IRA as if it were monolithic. That's what I took issue with dude (added dude so I didn't end my sentence with a preposition).

I think we are in agreement on much. I know for a certainty that your courteous, yet on point, responses are much appreciated.

Be well.

Cate
Why does none of this surprise me? Where there a few students reporting his abuse, there must be others. Hopefully this will shine a light on the situation. At least we know the FBI is aware of this guy.

Patriot
I forwarded it to Mike, along with the screen shots showing the IP addresses from which he posted comments on EB's blog.

Ironically, Kent State (Jameson) is acting as if this was news. EB, Barry, Susan Murphy Milano and others in our little band of bloggers called the university, forwarded the same info I sent to Mike to the History Dept. Chair., and generally made all kinds of contact with Kent State. And yet, I read one post this morning about a blogger who spoke to Jameson just today and he denied having prior knowledge. Since I don't have any way of really knowing who was at the other end of the phone line, I won't call anyone a liar but it is my opinion that the university has been flying cover for this guy for a long time.

Atlas Shrugs got a very interesting comment under her post re: Pino. Check it out:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2007/02/in_the_name_of_.html#comments

It would seem Pino is not shy about making veiled threats. If he hasn't crossed any lines, why is he backing away from GlobalWar?

dablueshound
db: "I'm still not sure why you equate the freedom fighters of the IRA with the KKK."

I suggest that you re-read my post; I made no such comparison.

db: "Your point stated the IRA, now that you're called on it laddie, you are expanding on your point."

I pointed out that there are more than one faction in the IRA and the Provos are/were the bad guys.

Methinks you protest too much.

Now let's hope that the software will allow this to post.

Stater
It's odd that he says he doesn't speak for KSU but cate posted an e-mail from his kent.edu e-mail address. If the e-mail is legit then using that e-mail is representing KSU.

"Cate writes: Wednesday, February, 28, 2007 11:47 PM
Don
Bloghi.com has a comment notifier option. In other words, if you comment on someone's blog, they get an email alert that there is a new comment on one of their posts. Bloghi's comment notifiers used to look like this: (I edited the profanity)


From : blogHi! - free blog hosting
URL : http://elmersbro.bloghi.com/2005/12/14/another-salvo-this-one-in-the-land-of-oz.html#comment-13688
Author : Lover of Angels (jpino@kent.edu) Author URL : http://global-war.bloghi.com/ Sent to : xxxxxxxxxxx@yahoo.com
--------------------

Comment:
Memo to Oz: M******f******, suck Howard's tiny c***, and while your at it, stick your own up yer mother's arse."

If that's how he's using his jpino@kent.edu e-mail I think he's involved KSU.


cate:
Did you fwd that e-mail to KSU or just to Mike Adams?

Discussed on Fox News - O'Reilly
This was covered tonight by Bill O'Reilly.

The information supplied by Skater on the Akron Beacon journal was similar to what O'Reilly presented.

This person (won't refer to terrorists and their supporters as men as they attack from the "rear" and aim to kill innocents to creat a higher "terror" level) definitely is hiding behind the freedoms of the U.S. to enable him to spout his diatribe and hatred.

Why do liberal institutions insist on hiring these type people? Someone hires the Ward Churchills and this person! Why don't those that follow the liberal slant politically object? I just assume that being liberal does not preclude love of country.

KSU professor: Blog should not be issue
KSU professor: Controversial KSU professor: Controversial blog should not be issue

Pino won't acknowledge association with jihadist site

Katie Alberti
Posted: 3/1/07

Julio Pino, associate professor of history, wouldn't acknowledge any connection with an extremist blog that has attracted national attention.

He said the issue wasn't the blog, but his right to a freedom of expression.

"The Web site is not the issue - freedom of speech is the issue," he said.

On Tuesday, the Drudge Report, an international news Web site, posted a blog by Mike Adams, a criminology professor at the University of North Carolina. Within the blog, Adams alleges Pino runs the site "Global War," which calls itself "a jihadist news service." Postings on the "Global War" site supports al Qaida, the Taliban and militant Palestinians.

According to Adams' blog, he says because of Pino's decision to "'provide battle dispatches, training manuals, and jihad videos to our (enemies) worldwide' he deserves to be arrested and sent to an island off the coast of North American, stripped naked, interrogated, and, if necessary, tortured to ascertain the extent of his involvement in assisting our enemies."

In his first in-depth interview on the subject, Pino said Adams went "beyond the limits of American citizens."

"It all started because a man, or professor, from North Carolina, who knows nothing, made allegations that threaten me," Pino said.

He said he would not comment on "Global War" or any association with the Web site because it has nothing to do with the issue.

"I have no comment," Pino said. "It is something which I feel every American holds dear: The right to say things and not say things."

Kent State has issued a statement emphasizing there is no connection between the university and the blog. It said Pino and Kent State have been subject to hate mail and threats.

Pino echoed the university's statement.

"I don't speak for the university," Pino said. "And the university doesn't speak for me or endorse my beliefs."

© Copyright 2007 Daily Kent Stater

You dont say...
Bombs kill, how enlightening. Terrorists target innocent civilians and children. Non-terrorists might also kill some innocents but that's called collateral damage, which is to say while unfortunate, wars are known to kill. The difference is in the targeting.

As for state sponsors of terror, Iran in on top of the list.

Smart Bombs ARE Homicide Bombs
Terror is the use of fear or violence for political gain. That could be just about anyone.
What about supporting state terror? Hypocrites!

d-a-n
While I agree with your complaints about some the rhetoric, I disagree that he's a fine *anything* if he does, indeed, support terror and advocates the fall of America.

I'm happy to hear that YOU haven't been called his little jihadist," in class, that doesn't mean he hasn't referred to his students, as that, outside of class, which does support our suspicions of indoctrination. If he is conspiring with others on that despicable blog, I hope they are all investigated and, if they've committed crimes, arrested and put on trial. I don't care how well he stays on topic, in class, if he's against America he's on the wrong side.

a word or two from KSU
yo
As a student at KSU and a student of Dr. Pino's I feel disgusted having read through this article and all these comments. Many of you ought to be ashamed of yourselves, screaming for torture and death to a man none of you have ever met based only on the equally lunatic ravings of Mike Adams who says Dr. Pino should be "arrested and sent to an island off the coast of North America, striped naked, interrogated, and, if necessary, tortured to ascertain the extent of his involvement in assisting our enemies".
Where is Mr. Adams' evidence? I hardly define "credible sources" other blogs who also fail to cite their sources.
Now have a look at this, from the Cleveland Plain Dealer (a reputable and credible news source):
http://www.cleveland.com/plaindealer/stories/index.ssf?/base/portage/117274220573470.xml&coll=2

KSU is standing behind Dr. Pino, as its an academic institution recognizing that uncorroborated claims on a whacko's blog don't amount to doodley-squat.
For the record, as a student of Dr. Pino's (I had class with him today as a matter of fact), I have never been referred to as a "little Jihadist" or any of the other absolute trash being thrown around on this and other websites. Nor has Dr. Pino ever indoctrinated or even deviated from the topic of our course. Not once, not even close. Dr. Pino is an accomplished and esteemed academic - a leading expert in his field - and, if I may say so myself, a damned fine teacher.
Finally, I am absolutely disgusted with the way so many of you have used such derogatory language and utterly hateful language to describe Islam. Word to the wise: if you want serious people to take you seriously, don't use the word "raghead".

More on sedition...
The "Sedition Act of 1918" was not the first, either. The Alien and Sedition Acts were a series of 4 acts that included the Sedition Act of 1798, which expired in 1801. Jefferson argued that it not only violated the first amendment but more importantly it violated the tenth amendment as well.

The Alien Enemies Act of 1798 (one of the four) did not expire and is still law today but it doesn't apply to Pino. It (50 USC Sections 21-24.) authorized the President to arrest and deport resident aliens if their countries of origin were at war with the United States.

Now what may still apply is The Smith Act of 1940. This one, enacted by democrats, is famous. Remember this question, "have you now or have you ever been a communist?" That's The Smith Act.
18 U.S.C. § 2385
"Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons."

Now, I'm not a lawyer but it appears, to me, that Pino *HAS* violated The Smith Act, if the claims about supporting terror are true.

Kent State denies ties to jihadi site

From the Akron Beacon Journal
http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/living/education/16808652.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp



Posted on Thu, Mar. 01, 2007


Kent State denies ties to jihadi site
Department head says professor contributed news but isn't creator

By Carol Biliczky
Beacon Journal staff writer

An Internet story on Wednesday identified a Kent State faculty member as the author of a jihadist news service on the Web.

The Drudge Report story accused Julio ``Assad'' Pino of posting ``Global War'' at global-war.bloghi.com.

Pino, 46, a Muslim convert and associate professor of history at KSU, did not return phone calls seeking comment.

His department head, John Jameson, defended him as a good teacher and said the allegations in the story appeared to have been blown out of proportion.

He said Pino told him he provided news stories to the Web site but didn't accept any ownership of it.

The Web site does not name the originator, but a photo of a bearded man there is not of Pino, the description of the originator does not fit Pino and none of the postings on it can be tied to Kent State, Jameson said.

While Pino did operate a pro-Palestinian Web site in the past, he told Jameson he gave it up ``when the hate response got to be too much,'' Jameson said.

The jihadist Web site ``doesn't have any connection to Kent State,'' university spokesman Ron Kirksey said. ``We object to our name being used in connection with it.''

The turmoil began Wednesday when a column by Mike S. Adams on conservative townhall.com, Me and Julio Down by the Schoolyard, was posted on the Drudge Report, a collection of news stories from throughout the world.

``All we want is to get Allah's pleasure,'' the jihadist Web site reads. ``We will write `Jihad' across our foreheads, and the stars. The angels will carry our message through the world.''

Adams accused Pino of ``drawing a paycheck from the people of the State of Ohio while trying to launch a jihad against people like me.''

One recent posting on the Web site was, Crusaders Can't Take Anymore in Afghanistan, Adams said.

Pino is a specialist in Latin America and has a doctorate from the University of California at Los Angeles.

He joined Kent State in 1992 and a few years ago received tenure -- in essence, lifetime employment -- for his research and writings. At Kent, he has taught courses such as The '60s + A Third-World View and Comparative Third-World Revolutions.

He is no stranger to controversy.

Last year he was the target of an Internet petition that labeled him a ``walking, talking time bomb'' and sought to get him fired with comments like, ``Remove this traitor from our educational system'' and ``Get this murderer out of the country!''

In a 2005 letter to the student-run Kent Stater, Pino responded to students who questioned why Muslims were burning American flags.

``You are a nation that permits the production, trading and usage of drugs, gambling, the sex trade, spreads diseases that were unknown to man in the past, such as AIDS, and turns women into commodities for sale,'' he wrote.

``The ill done to the Muslim nations must be requited. The Muslim child does not cry alone; the Muslim woman does not cry alone; and the Muslim man is already at your gates.''

In another letter that year, he called Bush a ``cocaine cowboy''... ``who has added an extra 100,000 corpses to the pile of brown-colored corpses, collected like Indian heads in the Old West.''

In 2003, Pino was charged with disorderly conduct at an anti-war rally at Kent State. He said the charges were an attempt to harass protesters.

The most controversial incident may have been in 2002, when he wrote a column in the Kent Stater that eulogized an 18-year-old Palestinian suicide bomber. He said he was trying to explain why suicide bombings occurred in Israel.

KSU English professor Lewis Fried took offense and urged then-KSU President Carol Cartwright to fire Pino. She refused, saying the university supported free speech.

``A university stands for the sustaining of life and not of murder,'' Fried said Wednesday. ``I'm not opposing free speech, just murderous free speech.''

Kirksey said the university had received about 100 calls and e-mails, some of them threatening Pino, in the most recent incident. University police had been notified, he said.
Carol Biliczky can be reached at 330-996-3729 or cbiliczky@thebeaconjournal.com.


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Provisionals
Cad Man - I know well of the Provos. I know well that the Provos, the INLA, and Sinn Fein are socialist organisations as well as nationalist organisations, not communist. Please check your facts before stating them as fact.

Regardless of the perception of the loyalist oppressors that it is a "Papist" movement, it is indeed about sovereignty and not about religion. I have no truck with the bombing of civilians such as the murederous event at Harrods some years back, indeed I am a man committed to non-violence. However, when the Provos attack military, is it terrorism? If so George Washington, James Madison, the racist George "Swampfox" Marion were terrorists. Know you what they did to Tory persons and property during the Revolution?

Were the ten hunger strikers terrorists? Were the blanket protestors terrorists? Are the RUC terrorists? Are the SAS terrorists? We won't know this until the history books are written. will we? I am a Vietnam combat veteran, in 1996, I visited the Crimes in Agession War In Vietnam in HCM City, winners write the history books. That's just how it works.

Now that I've gotten all this off my chest, I'm still not sure why you equate the freedom fighters of the IRA with the KKK. Your point stated the IRA, now that you're called on it laddie, you are expanding on your point. I've lived in two S. E. Asian Muslim countries, I cringe when I read the broad brush of hatred directed at Islam based on the acts of the reactionary forces of Islam. We need to be quite specific and accurate as to what we claim.

TIOCFAIDH AR LA

Sedition...
The "Sedition Act of 1918" was repealed in 1921 although it was upheld by the SCOTUS in 1919. The reason it was repealed is because it appeared to conflict with the first amendment.

Why aren't they being exposed...
You just did. :D Thank your father for his service, for me. My father fought in WWII, in the pacific. I served during the cold war.

I'm glad you (and a few others) including "if." If he did violate our laws, I agree, arrest him and put him on trial. It's no surprise that the liberal media is defending this guy though. Disgusting but typical of the left.

KSU responds to accusations
http://media.www.stateronline.com/media/storage/paper867/news/2007/03/01/LatestHeadlines/Ksu-Responds.To.Accusations.Of.Professors.Involvement.In.AntiAmerican.Web.Site-2752112.shtml

KSU responds to accusations of professor's involvement in anti-American Web site

Posted: 3/1/07

Kent State issued a statement today saying the university has no connection to an anti-American Web site conservative bloggers say is run by associate professor of history Julio Pino.

Yesterday columnist Mike S. Adams accused Pino on conservative Web site Townhall.com of running a blog called "Global War" at http://global-war.bloghi.com. The blog makes statements supporting al-Qaida and the Taliban and calls itself a "jihadist news service."

According to Kent State, the university has found no evidence that the site in question is run by Pino or that the man pictured on the site is Pino, nor has it found evidence that university servers were used in the creation or maintenance of the site.

"The opinions on the Web site ("Global War") do not represent the university," the statement said. "We do not speak for Pino nor defend any views he might have, and he does not speak for Kent State, his department or other faculty."

Check back with StaterOnline.com for more on this story. © Copyright 2007 Daily Kent Stater

ACLU
The ACLU is another example of liberal hypocrisy. They claim they fight for rights but it's their policy NOT to take 2nd amendment cases. The ACLU wants to litigate against America until it becomes a socialist nation. It's not about rights, to the ACLU, it's about socialism.

Dude3344
Gun control is a perfect example of liberal hypocrisy, as I pointed out earlier. They try to claim the right is infringing on their rights but they deny or try to qualify our right to keep and bear arms. Free speech to a liberal is the freedom to spew hate towards the right, without getting punched out but when the right speaks, they're shouted down and attacked. Rights to a liberal are subjective, they depend on who's speaking.

dablueshound re: IRA
"While the bulk of the IRA may be Catholic based solely on the history of this great country, it was the Protestant men who started the fight for freedom. To be comparing a racist organisation such as the KKK to the IRA is dumb, extra-ordinarily dumb. We may not agree on the tactics of the IRA, but to us it is about sovereignity, not religion."

The IRA also split into two factions: the Official Wing and the Provisional Wing. The "Provos" are the ones who chose terrorism as their M.O. It was the Provos who, when it appeared that a peaceful settlement was in reach, escalated the terrorist acts. They had borrowed the strategy of using the Catholic minority's woes as an excuse to do their nefarious deeds; they were ripping off the very people they claimed to defend. Sounds like Communist Party tactics to me.

Dude3344
Liberals expect "points" for socialist "intentions." Never mind that socialism is flawed and unsustainable. Ignoring that socialism is nothing more than slavery. Utopian delusion is all they have. They turned "liberal" in to a dirty word, so now they want to be called "progressives" but it wont be long before they turn that into a dirty word too. Liberals think it's the labels put on them that are to blame without looking inward at the cause.

1,991 days since...
This is typical of liberals like him. They try to insinuate that because we haven't caught OBL yet, that it means something. This is one of the easiest charges to deflect.

How long have we been looking for Jimmy Hoffa? There are a lot of people in hiding. The fact is, it's not that hard to hide, even in the USA. Some people are never caught. Compound that with the border terrain in the region and it's not a surprise. Had Saddam left Iraq, we might be still looking for him too.

Again, he should be tried
Apparently a mujahid or "progressive" on this board flagged my comment as offensive, and I can understand why it was removed: my words didn't indicate that I believed in the right to fair trial.

This man should be arrested and given a fair trial for treason. If found guilty, then he should be executed as is prescribed by the Constitution of the United States. This man isn't just giving aid and comfort to the enemy. He *IS* the enemy. But, as an American citizen, he has the right to a fair trial.

And if the trial is truly fair, then he will be executed, and I think that is just.

Note to "progressives": those scare quotes are EARNED. I am a gay man, and your fervent defense for a religion that wants to execute everyone like me as is dictated by their wicked, medieval religion has NOT gone unnoticed. You have betrayed the progressive legacy even worse than the Republicans have betrayed the conservative legacy, and the Republicans have been awful!

multi-reply...
Jeebus:
"Et Tu, Patriot?"
Yes, me too. While you may have been on "my side" all you did, virtually, was whine about grammar on the net. Grow up. It doesn't matter if you were quoting, it goes inside.

"Totally, Patriot 11C...The other "Patriot" was answering my posts to that idiot MWB as if he was you. I suspect they're the same person."
Ummm, no, I'm not the same person I used a capital "P" and I didn't even know there was one with a "p" until after I joined, yesterday. Additionally, I didn't even know you could change nicknames here. Clear?


Dude3344:
Yes, that is what he seems to be saying. A liberal in denial, go figure.

Dude
Thank you for your kind response. What most people don't get however, and it's no big deal to most of us, is that Buddhism is not a religion, but a philosophy, a set of guidelines by which we should live our lifes by.

By definition, we do not believe in a Supreme Being, but as His Holiness, The Dalai Lama oft times states, if believing in a Supreme Being makes you a better person, then by all means continue to do so. We have no canonical law, no real litergy, our monks are merely those seeking enlightenment. Monks and spiritual leaders may be our teachers, but that is our choice, not theirs.

Be well.



Poor, Poor Jihadi
Poor baby. Professor Jihad is now a featured link on the Drudge Report and Fox News. What's next for the poor jihadi scum? Maybe an expose by Hannity or Beck perhaps.

Maybe Prof Pinko ought to go get a copy of an old song to play: How about "Poor Poor pitiful me" by Linda Ronstadt.

It seems that a whole bunch of patriotic Americans are giving the poor prof Pinko a hard time. Poor baby.

Nothing like the light of truth to chase the jihadi roaches away eh?

Maybe Mr. Pino should pack up his old kit bag and move to a comfortable cave in Tora Bora?

Once again, nice job Prof Adams. You and the rest of the patriotic bloggers in here rule!!!!!!

Is it legal
to post the screen shots of the site tracker?


Hit Kent State where it hurts...
Money makes the world go round even for liberal universities. You can write and call and it may make some impressions but if any of you looked in the first day of "comments" you will notice that a petition was done on this Professor over a year ago.

Take away their ability to fund extra curricular activities, raises, funding of special projects etc...and you will see some response to the general publics "outcry".

Don't send your children to this school. Don't send money if you are an alumi. Lobby congressmen to restrict funding if possible.

Once the liberals experience the "lash" of capitalism on their universities...they may consider that they need to provide quality for the money they earn. Bring back the concept of "pay for performance."

Make it hurt financially to hire "Jihad Professors" and it will happen.

We know they won't do it for their country, logical or moral reasons. Right?

parody sites
There are parody sites for this guy but he is real and has offered training to Jihadis, posted his suicide notice and said that he knows when the next martyrdom action was going to take place.

fox news and Dr. Pino
Fox News paints him as a sympathetic figure? Give me a break....this man is a traitor

Zionism
not be happy at this poor, failed attempt at good old-fashioned Zionist treachery.

Zionism is racism eh? Now here I always thought is was survival. I'm Mahayana Buddhist so I don't get all this my God is better than your God stuff, all this finger pointing, all this vile invective, all this at all I suppose.

Anger Blinds Wisdom - His Holiness the Dalai Lama

Hasbara Hucksters Strike Again
LMAO Unbelievable. All you lemmings fell for the hoax.

Notice there's no proof that the blogger is whom Adams says he is; notice the super-patriotic [9/11 tribute] banner placed on the right side of the alleged jihadist's blog; notice the over-the-top language used; etc., etc., etc...

You poor little witch-hunters were so wanting to believe the hype – so in need of a self-assurance in the form of another violently Islamophobic demonization.

How pathetic lol.

Mr. Adams... you sure know how to make up 'filler material'; however, I'd consider the 'substance' and credibility of that filler a little more shrewdly next time, if I were you.

Your overlords at JINSA, AIPAC, the ADL and the NRA will not be happy at this poor, failed attempt at good old-fashioned Zionist treachery.

Shapiro is gonna tease you all year long for this one lol. Better luck next time!

Its' back
In an earlier post I said global-war was blank. Went over to LGF tfor a bit, caught a link and there it was. Just to make sure went back on the web and its back, nasty and distorted, but there

Post American
Where to even start with your pathetic post.

The Clintons brought to justice? Pulease - people like you let the boy president get away with doing as much damage to this country as he possibly could. Lying to a grand jury as head law enforcement official, selling satellite technology to China, destroying our intelligence community, downsizing the military, 900 FBI files on political enemies, granting pardons to cocaine dealers and terrorists, accelerating our slide down the morality slope. I could go on and on and on. He was and is human scum and should be in prison. But, hey, everybody does it, right?

It is amusing how you try to make yourself appear even-handed by saying you "think the Clinton's and the Bush's should be brought to justice" but then completely betray yourself by ripping only Republicans (actually, "neocons"):

"I don't see much difference between the Neo Cons of the Project for A New American Century, and the Jacobins of the French Revolution, the Bolsheviks of the communist revolution, and the National Socialists of Hitler's revolution."

Socialists and communists make their home in the Democrat party and who would be surprised to see a mob of lunatic lefties marching down the street to guillotine their political opponents. These political ideas are anathema to conservatives.

So let me show you the biggest difference between liberals and conservatives - the fact that we defend the principles we believe in, regardless of whom we are lampooning.

I think Bush should be impeached. Why? Certainly not for any of the loony-left's reasons.

Because he has failed to protect and defend the United States - specifically, the borders. Both here and in Iraq. That is one of his primary responsibilties and he has not only failed, he has failed on purpose. He doesn't want the borders shut here - I can only imagine why he didn't do it in Iraq.

He tried to work through the worthless, corrupt U.N. to appease idiots on the left and foreign governments who hate us and, in doing so, gave that Star Wars bar-scene collection of tin-pot dictators false legitimacy. They have none and should be told to get the hell out of the U.S.

But I digress.

All of Iraq would look like Kurdistan (peaceful and thriving, although you'd never know that from the drive-by media) if he had sealed the borders and run the country like we did Germany and Japan after WWII. Bush's failure to do that has cost who knows how many deaths and injuries to our beloved military men and women.

And only time will tell the price in human life for his complete and total failure to close the borders and stem the flow of illegals into this country. And now his justice department is prosecuting our own border agents for doing their job. It is beyond disgraceful.

He has lost me completely.

Liberals look at the world in terms of Right and Left, power and control being the be-all and end-all, principles be DAMNED. The left's shameless and ongoing defense of Clinton's presidency proved that beyond a doubt.

Conservatives view it in terms of right and wrong, responsibility-based individual freedom being the treasure we understand and protect.

That is the difference.

Re: Nim Chimpsky
"Maybe DHS needs Mapquest directions to his office. They obviously have access to the rest of his data since we do.

Turn left on Main Street, right on 6th...c'mon Sec'y Chertoff...get the bus moving."

Those clowns are too busy persecuting Border Patrol agents and then working to cover their own @$$ when the facts come out.

lilly on "you people"
"You people" does not have to be a reference to color; it is often used as a literary version of looking down one's nose, i.e. expressing intolerance at anyone who dissents. IOW, attacking the dissenter rather than the message.

Thanks Mike!
The effort to get this guy some visibility is longstanding but with only a few recreational bloggers involved, the most we could generate was a minor reference in the Columbus Dispatch and a few hundred signatures on an online petition.

Thanks for shining a light on one dark corner of the virtual world.

http://soccermomunplugged.bloghi.com/?search=Pino

Well, guess its all kind of moot
After all, that great liberal newspaper, The Cleveland Plain Dealer took all of 20 minutes yesterday to investigate it (Mikes' article) and declared theis morning that Pino is "a good teacher", "respected by his co-workers and students" etc. Also that Mike GOT the article from Drudge, not the reverse. You can look it up on their website (cleveland.com/news). They also said that Mike didn't return their calls so 'no comment'. And last, if you try to go to the global-war website you'll find a great big blank,, lookks like it got scrubbed of all posts so no one can prove anything anyway...ain't it lovely....

IRA
though I've heard of organizations, such as the IRA or the Klan that defintely had Christian religious affiliations.

The IRA are not affiliated with a religion. They are patriots fighting for to free the six occupied counties. They're comprised of Irish nationalists and that's it. While the bulk of the IRA may be Catholic based solely on the history of this great country, it was the Protestant men who started the fight for freedom. To be comparing a racist organisation such as the KKK to the IRA is dumb, extra-ordinarily dumb. We may not agree on the tactics of the IRA, but to us it is about sovereignity, not religion. The question asked is not whether one is a Catholic, but whether one is a Republican freedom fighter.

Bear witness to both right and wrong, stand up and speak out. – Volunteer Bobby Sands

To all
Mike Adams was on Fox today at 10:25 a.m. dioscussing this issue with Fox news. He answered the issue of the pictures. The one on the Terrorist Blog is not the real picture.

Dr Adams on FNC:
You go boy!!

Waste of Flesh
It's too bad I can't really say what I'd like to. If I did, there would be someone at my door in minutes.
This human debris doesn't deservre the right to be paid by an institute of higher learning. Thankfully, my kids don't go there.
As my impending death draws nearer, I will be changing the first sentence.

Fox News Strikes
Fox News just had a teaser on the "Jihad Prof".

To at least some (most?) of the idiot lefties on this blog, that should prove this guy is innocent as a little lamb.

It is on NOW.

Cattle Prods For Congress
GunnyG

I think the Clinton's and the Bush's should be brought to justice. I'm not a Democrat or a Republican. I'm just a pissed off US Citizen. The Islamofascists didn't rip up the US Constitution, the Bill of Rights, Habeus Corpus, loot the treasury, break the army, and destroy our reputation with torture and secret police, the US Government did that, tar and feathers.

I don't see much difference between the Neo Cons of the Project for A New American Century, and the Jacobins of the French Revolution, the Bolsheviks of the communist revolution, and the National Socialists of Hitler's revolution. How is that New American Century going, by the way?

Hate speech against the American people
If Pino is't guilty of hate speech, no one is. The authorities in Ohio must enforse their laws and arrest him.

GoSpinBoy

Post American
Meant to add that up until 2000, OBL was living in a HOUSE provided by Mullah Omar near Kandahar as well as moving freely through eastern Afghanistan and used his satellite phone all of the time! Something EASILY TRACKED AND TARGETED.

I guess Bubba Cartoon was more concerned with evaded Impeachment than National Security.

D*mn, those pesky FACTS got in the way of your moveon.org talking points.

Absoutely, P11C
Totally, Patriot 11C...The other "Patriot" was answering my posts to that idiot MWB as if he was you. I suspect they're the same person.

MWB
I guess along with your poor grasp of the English language, you are also a poor student of US History.

Unlike other superpowers, such as Greece, Rome, Great Britan, China or the old USSR, we don't go to war to conquer the freaking world.

We liberated Europe twice. We helped to tear down the Iron Curtain, freed Kosovo, Kuwait, and Bosnia. We also keep the pirates at bay in the waters off of Somalia.

We freed Iraq from Hussein and his thugs. We helped the Afghanis free themselves from the Soviets and are trying to help them yet again.

You ought to put down that hash pipe slick, and come down to reality.

The terrorists in the Mideast are just that. They're not US or coalition soldiers. If you're too brain dead to understand that, then all we can hope for is that one of your fellow freedom fighters mistakes you for an infidel and sends you off to join the 9-11 hijackers in hell....er I mean Paradise.....


LOL NEWS SHOOTER... Me and Julio Down by the Schoolyard
It's hilarious how you can call Lilly a little girl, say conservatives (or anyone who DOESN'T want a terrorist sympathizer educating college kids) are "fools" yet you quote from Whitney Houston's "The Bodyguard."

LOL. Schmuck.

Post American
Hey stupid, how many times could Bubba Cartoon have taken OBL? How many times could he have KILLED OBL after he declared war on us in 1996? The Sudan offered him up no less than THREE TIMES!

I think that Velcro-Fly Bubba could have MORE EASILY found OBL than Bush could since the following reporters obviously had no problem knowing where OBL was.

1. Robert Fisk interviewed OBL in Afghanistan in 1996.

2. BBC interviewed OBL in 1996.

3. Late 1996, Pakistani reporter Abdel Atwan MEETS with OBL in Khandahar.

4. Robert Fisk reinterviews OBL in 1997.

5. Peter Arnett interviews OBL in March 1997.

6. John Miller interviews OBL in early 1998.

7. In May 1998, OBL holds a press conference near Khost and several Pakistani reporters as well as a Chinese reporter are there.

8. January 1999, OBL grants a personal interview by CNN.

Whattya think meathead?

Et Tu, Patriot?
Hey Patriot - maybe you should take another look at my posts. I was on YOUR side; the actions in both Iraq and Afghanistan were legal and justified.

And you're incorrect about the quotation mark comma thing -- it was a quote of a quote.

Jabelson
"mrknightly, I've not really heard of Christians blowing themselves up in the name of Christ - though I've heard of organizations, such as the IRA or the Klan that defintely had Christian religious affiliations. Regardless, whether some Muslim blows himself up or beheads a Christian - in the name of Islam, or whether some Christian klanner murders a Jew or a black in the name of racial purity (and believe me, those guys think of themselves as Christians) - means little to me. You're scared of the Muslims because they target YOU. A lot of us come from communites that have been targeted - history is rife with it, and often - if the Church didn't actually sanction the violence, it sure looked the other way. I refer you to the word pogrom - if you don't know it, please google or wiki it. So forgive me if I find your fear a little over the top. My problem isn't with Muslims - it's with ANY ideology - Muslim, Christian, Jewish or non-sectarian, that threatens me - so we're on the same page about radical Islam. It's just that I feel the same way about radical Christianty - and Judism (the JDL, for instance) - even if the latter two are not in the head chopping business. As to blowing things up, Americans are pretty good at that, based on the explosive tonnage we've dropped on Iraq - but I guess that's civilized, killing from way up in the sky. Or lobbing mortar shells at civilian populations - or firing heavy artillary at a wedding party - for instance. Don't get me wrong - if I thought Iraq was the enemy, I'd say flatten them 'til not a rat survived. Not a flea. But in this particular case, it's kind of hard, logically, to say we're all high and mighty (morally)."

Jabelson: I appreciate your measured response. And, yes, I know very well what pogrom means. My ex-wife was Jewish, and her father's familiy left Russia to escape the pogroms there. In any case, I am probably not what you think I am, so, I need to set you straight on a couple of things. First of all, I am certainly not afraid of the islamo-Nazis. I served my time in the Airborne during Viet Nam and that pretty much took care of the fear factor. Secondly, I am a committed Catholic Christian, and have been against the war in Iraq from the very beginning. But I am very much in favor of war against the islamo-Nazis(jus ad bellum)particularly since they, in effect declared war on us. Others have already responded to your comparison of islamo-Nazis to JDL, IRA, etc, so I won't belabor the point here, execpt to say that I don't see where the JDL and the IRA, et al have threatened our way of life. It saddens me that you may not understand that the islam-Nazis threaten our entire Western civilization. What I find amazing is that liberals don't seem to understand the seriousness of the threat, yet under the islamo-Nazis and Sharia law, the liberals would be the first that would be dealt with. If you want to talk about pogroms, there would be a pogorm for you. Chrsitianity and true Islam actually have much in commom particularly when it comes to morality. Please, for your own sake and for the sake of our country and civilization, open your eyes and your mind to what is happening. Read something by Robert Spencer or a recent book by Mark Steyn, "America Alone." See what is happening in European countries that now have substantial Muslim populations. I don't want to go tit-for-tat with you on this. You would cite the Crusades and I would cite the slaughter of Armenians, and we could go back and forth ad nauseum. I truly want you and others to understand: If you enjoy your way of life, i.e., a life built on Judeo-Christian values, Western civilization, freedom of expression, religion, etc., then you need to see the threat of islamo-Nazism for what it is, how serious that threat is, and respond as best you can according to your life circumstances. As Ben Franklin once said, "We must all hang together or we will surely hang separately."


Two patriots: Patriot or patriot
There are two people named "patriot" in here.
So as to not confuse the libs and "tweeners", I
patriot, (not Patriot) changed my nic to patriot11C".

By the way, a tweener is a half-stepping conservative. About as useless as teets on a bull.

And by the way, Mike's column made it to the Drudge Report. Congrats Mike!!!!

Treason
Looks as though "treason" will soon become a constitutional right, just ask the ACLU.
The guy is probably a Lib.

Call and e-mail KENT
Pino, Julio
jpino@kent.edu
330-672-2882


President of KENT State
Lefton, Lester
lefton@kent.edu
330-672-2210

Niko, now I don't know what happened...
But whatever it was I am fairly sure I am not guilty of whatever it was you accused me of. Let's go through it carefully, and I'll deliberately avoid your rather confrontational language.

You're saying that I didn't address the topic in my first post. Since I had discussed the (in my opinion) lack of treason on Professor Pino's part, and on the great beauty of a country which does allow such speech to pass by without criminal sanction, I assumed you were talking about the Iraq War. So I discussed that.

I may have been wrong to think you wanted to discuss that. But that, at worst, was a mistake that took the subject off track.

I then came back, looked at your original post, and came back to the definition of sedition. Well, your definition of "Kill" is certainly not the one that most people would use. Kill involves, you know, the termination of life. As does War mean the active use of force by one nation upon another.

So upon the definition, again, of sedition, since treason I think we both agree on as actively trying to illegally overthrow the government. Sedition is NOT treason by virtue of the fact that it is mere speech. Speech that incites a possible overthrow of the government, but by your definition,

"I don't like the president and his administration- next election, let's turf him out" is seditious. "Nancy Pelosi should not be Speaker; she must go" is, by your definition of sedition, seditious.

Now, are the police going to cart you away for saying either of those things? No! And for a good reason too! It's called the First Amendment! Sedition cannot be an offence in the USA simply because of that amendment, and dare I say it, God Bless that!

Now, I'm sick of having to debate people like you who want civility but refuse to give it. I shan't reply to you again because of your pure lack of respect for other people, and even the lack of analysis as to why you came to your conclusions.=, unless you're willing to truly debate.

And I think I know why you get that hostile feeling from so many people you speak to- Who isn't hostile to someone who is rude to them?

Regards, and no hard feelings.

furthermore...
I do disagree with your comments because as I already explained. What you want or desire is not always a right. You have a right to pursue happiness but no right to *be* happy and certainly not at the expense of my rights. You've confused "free will" and "desire" with what is a "right."
A right is "a lawful power or privilege" according to Webster's. Desire and free will don't always equate to lawful power or privilege.

jakobscalpel
Nope, what it means was that slaves (and women) weren't considered equal. The concept that I quoted is no less valid just because they hadn't learned that slavery was wrong.

Yes, not only do I believe that, so did the founding fathers. You have ZERO "right" to my property, unless I owe you something. You have ZERO "right" to kill me unless I'm trying to kill you. You have ZERO "right" to own/enslave other people. Only a child thinks his own rights trumps the rights of others. You can say "me me me" but that's not how life works.

Patriot
I'm getting the impression we are debating simply to debate. Which is fun... don't get me wrong.

"The fact that Jefferson and others owned slaves back in the day that blacks weren't considered human means nothing." Sort of like your Jefferson quote then, eh? It means nothing cause it happened back in the day.

"my rights end where your rights begin." Do you really believe this? This statement is utterly meaningless. My rights have nothing to do with your rights. That is why, and only why, they are "inalienable". To make them somehow dependent, not only in relation to yours (where your's begin), but to where everyone else's in the entire world begins is to nullify the whole concept of individual rights. If my rights are intertwined with 6 billion other people's then I have no rights, nor do they. Since one and only one person in this world can determine what is right for you (and that is you, by the way), then no other person can infringe on your rights in any way. If they do and you allow them, then you have none. Simple as that.

In reference to the original topic, this means Pino can say and do whatever he wants, whenever he wants. It does NOT mean that there are no repercussions. Repercussions always occur when you exercise your rights. Repercussions and moral labeling (like "evil") in no way change the fact he has these rights. Morals are simply a social construct, which one can choose to embrace or refute at their own personal peril. Honestly Patriot, what else is there to discuss? You can't possibly disagree with these comments?

Lilly
Lilly,

You've already been well, and truly excoriated, and deservedly so.

You remind me of Whitney Houston's character in Bodyguard. She's under a serious threat, but can't/won't see it, and Kevin Costner's character -- her bodyguard -- quits telling her manager "I can't protect somebody who has to be convinced to save her own life!"

That's you, little girl.

You, and your little lecture about office hours. That was your response. That's ALL you had to say.

You are a child. You in a state of arrested early adolescence where you think that blaming your own country for any and all the ills of the world is the height of brilliance. You people LOVE to claim intellectual superiority, brag of your nuanced thinking, but you speak in bumper stickers!

Bush Lied, Kids Died.

OFFICE FREAKING HOURS YOU IDIOT?!!!

Be glad that there are some adults who are not blinded by self centered, look how smart, compassionate, brilliant, tolerant -- did I mention brilliant?? -- I am PC.

Confronted with a "professor" openly preaching jihad -- that means he wants people to cut your head off slowly with a knife, you fool -- is to chide a REAL professor about the taxing, manifold duties of a professor, as if he didn't know.

Deck chairs on the Titanic you silly fool.

jakobscalpel
He doesn't care what the majority of people think and if he's committed treason, so be it, arrest him and put him on trial. Crushing his arguments, means nothing to him because he still thinks he's right. Fire him and maybe it'll sink in.

The fact that Jefferson and others owned slaves back in the day that blacks weren't considered human means nothing. The beauty of America is that the wrongs can be righted as Lincoln proved. Oddly enough, Lincoln was a racist too but he knew that, in America, it was wrong to force a person to work and not reap the rewards. Lincoln realized what Jefferson said, that plantation owners didn't have the right to infringe on the rights of the blacks. The right to the pursuit of happiness is the freedom to engage in any actions so long as they do not infringe upon that same right exercised by others. Our nation has always understood that "my rights end where your rights begin."

Patriot
He can deny it, but the majority of the people who see through him won't care. Arrest would just make him a martyr to the few who do.

You'll lose me by quoting Jefferson. He was quite willing to subvert the natural rights of those who stood in his way (or were owned by him). And yes, the wanting does give me the natural right to attempt something. However, my wanting in no way circumvents the natural right of the oppressee (if one exists) to resist to their fullest extent. Denying this right limits personal freedom. If you are willing to say that there is a natural limit to this freedom, I would be curious to know where you feel it's natural limit is. And, using the quote you referenced as a starting point, since all inter-personal interaction contains at least some point of contention, how then could anything be acomplished between individuals without some transgression of "rights"?

AL
I have no doubt that many San Franciscans feel exactly the same way as Pino/Churchill. You only find socialists, pacifists and other liberals spewing anti-American hate and lies in America. San Francisco is where you'll find people parroting the terrorists and other anti-Americans while suggesting that they're immune from any repercussions for what they say and/or do.

It's exactly the liberal bias that allows these things to continue.

People are free to say what they want, but that doesn't mean there will never be consequences.

jakobscalpel
2. Arrest him? Maybe. Just because he can spew his hate (like the klan can) doesn't mean that if he's actually commited treason against America, he shouldn't be arrested. Crushing his arguments does nothing if he's delusional and can't be convinced, he'll just deny it.
3. Again, no. Wanting something does not always give you any right to it. Wanting to rape a woman doesn't give you a right to violate the rights of that woman. You have "free will" but no right. Perhaps you've confused the two.

"No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another, and this is all from which the laws ought to restrain him." -- Thomas Jefferson

AL
Looks like you are gone for the evening. Thanks right back at you for the enjoyable chat.

AL
Well, however you slice it we should be allowed to express our opinions freely and I wish the views on this board were taken to heart by the ones we reference. And, honestly, I doubt they'd care even if we were ultra-wealthy Ohioans. Which is strange, considering I know quite a few well-to-do (suburbian) Ohioans and they are conservative to the core.

Patriot
Well, I'll admit that I'm not at all up on the facts of the Churchill affair, and can't really speak to them. Which is a pity, because part of what I'm saying here should have empirical grounds--namely, that I really doubt that even your San Francisco liberals are going to have a lot of love for someone who claims to actively participate in or at least encourage anti-American violence.

In any case, I think there's an important conceptual line we should maintain between an overwhelmingly liberal or left-radical climate of _opinion_ or _teaching_ on our campuses and active advocacy of violence (whether your SF liberal would recognize this line is another question). Both of these are problems; I don't think they're the same problem.

Thanks to you both for some interesting conversation.

jakobscalpel
Eh, I actually disagree about just funders here too. Sure, I'm not part of the constituency that KSU serves, nor do my tax dollars pay for KSU's existence, but I do share a society (i.e., American society)--however abstractly--with KSU and with KSU graduates. That seems like enough of a basis to me to express my informed opinion. Though--and maybe this is what you meant--I don't think they'll care very much given my non-Ohioan status.

Patriot
1. I agree with you. My reply to AL will indicate this in more detail.
2. Fire him? Yes. Arrest him? No. Humiliate him in the public consciousness by his own flimsy arguments via memes? All to the greater good.
3. Well, laws are national or local jurisdiction in application and wouldn't normally apply to your typical terrorist, who transcends both (in their own minds). A law does not make an action evil. Morality does. I personally think terrorism is evil but that does not make it evil. "Wanting something does not always grant a right to what you want." I have to disagree with you. A right is a right. "Want" has everything to do with it. If I want it, it is a right. It may not be lawful, but I have the right to pursue it. However, consequences will intervene, as they so justly should.

AL
The liberal bias is connected in that colleges (and San Fran) are some of the few places that would accept that, again, because the left think more like Pino/Churchill than the right and schools are so saturated with liberalism/socialism.

This is a perfect example of liberal hypocrisy. When Churchill and Pino spout anti-American hate, teh left tries to claim that because "Congress shall pass no law..." that they can say anything with out ANY responsibility or accountability. However, when a conservative even *attempts* to speak, they're prevented. There's a big difference and the left accuse the right of violating their right to speech while excusing, ignoring or justifying their attacks on the right.




AL
Actually, I think we agree. I was not clear enough. By "funders" I meant us. I don't live in the state that funds his salary, but if I did I would certainly be calling/writing for his dismissal. I just think that, despite my wish he were fired for his comments, he has every right to say what he thinks. He just needs to accept the consequences that his right to free speech accords. And his right to free speech should in no way guarantee his continued employment with a public institution.

Patriot
"When conservatives try to speak on many campuses, they are attacked and shouted down, you don't see that same hate from much of the right. We've been talking about it for years."

I agree: we should talk about what the Minuteman thing at Columbia last year was all about, for instance, which is a good example of the sort of "who gets to talk" problem at our universities. What I'm saying is that I don't think the Pino case is a good place to have this conversation, just because someone not only vehemently criticizing US foreign policy but (potentially) actually participating in violent actions, inciting students to murder, etc. belongs in a conversation about criminals, not about liberal bias.

jakobscalpel
1. He wasn't arrested for speaking his mind, which is all the right he has, as far as speech goes. He spoke and now he can be accountable for what he's said.
2. Well then "crushing his arguments," as you suggest, does what? Fire him.
3. Well if by free you mean they have the choice, maybe, but laws prevent anarchy so if they do choose to use terrorism, they're evil, wrong and should be targets. Wanting something does not always grant a right to what you want.

who gets to decide
"1. He may have no right to a teaching job but that is for the university (and it's funders) to decide. He certainly has the right to speak his mind."

I actually entirely disagree with this: why don't we have a public duty to call on a university to fire someone who teaches hate speech? Now I do think we have the responsibility to be extra-informed about this stuff before putting on even the relatively mild pressure of public opinion--it's hard to know on the basis of this one article what the history is, whether the blog has anything to do with his teaching, etc., etc., and it's very easy to barge into a situation that you know little about and assume the trustees or whoever have no idea what they're doing. So yes, information-gathering by all means. But (and not to wax overly sentimental) I do think that part of the responsibility of creating a democratic society involves participating in public debate over who our educators are.

AL
I meant that liberals think more like Pino than conservatives. Liberals only care about leftist rights, private property ownership and the right to keep and bear arms, not so much.

Since when have liberals had any problems speaking their minds? They've been "Bush-bashing" since the Sore/Loserman 2000 debacle. The far left revel in anti-American socialist drivel, just look at any pot rally or anti-war rally. In most colleges today, the only free speech is liberal speech. When conservatives try to speak on many campuses, they are attacked and shouted down, you don't see that same hate from much of the right.

We've been talking about it for years. The liberal bias in the schools (nor media) is not a new topic, it's just that anti-Americans like Ward Churchill and Julio Pino have gotten more attention since 9/11. Indoctrination is actually more dangerous than the abusive e-mails but those alone are enough to fire him, imho.



Patriot
1. He may have no right to a teaching job but that is for the university (and it's funders) to decide. He certainly has the right to speak his mind.
2. I wouldn't worry much about convincing people like him, as they aren't worth the trouble. I'm convinced that, all else being equal, he won't convince many others and his arguments will eventually be self-defeating.
3. I believe they do have the right to use terrorism. If they do not have that right then they are not free and I believe all humans are free (whether or not they should ever even think of using that right is another (moral) argument)
4. Yes and I think we would agree we should have acted long ago.

Darryl
Well, I've not advocated torture but a death sentence, if he has committed treason, is not torture.

Speech is not completely protected as you pointed out. What the first amendment does is prevent Congress from passing laws abridging free speech not preventing big mouths from getting fired for spewing hate.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Notice it doesn't say that you can run your mouth and get away with it because people have to accept it anyway. Freedom of speech is not freedom from accountability.

Yes, he shoud be looked at.

While few are seldom 100% in either direction that doesn't make the bad people any better unless you're a moral relativist. A 99% bad teacher is still bad and deserves no consideration of the 1%. No matter what good Pino might have, his bad now outweighs it.

You still need to learn what the Bill of Rights actually says and means.

Patriot
By "people like Pino wouldn't be tolerated in less liberal saturated environments" you might mean two things: either that Pino would be tolerated because liberals currently take constitutional civil liberties more seriously than conservatives--something which, if true, has certainly not always been the case--or because liberals agree more with this guy than conservatives would. The former, sadly, seems true enough right now, but what I'm not so sure about is the latter.

Actually jakobscalpel makes exactly the association I'm questioning, between the pressure to be PC in academia and this guy Pino. Surely Pino's providing of training manuals to his jihadist brothers worldwide--assuming he actually does this--is him "speaking his mind," not bowing to (or even flourishing in) a liberal environment.

And yes, Patriot, I agree this guy has no business teaching, particularly if he's sending harassing and hate-filled emails to his students (as mentioned above). This is actually my point: there's an important conversation to have--that we should be having--about the apparent discrepancy between the political beliefs of the country and those of its universities. But then there are activities that seem so far beyond the bounds of professional ethics (and harassing your students over email and in verse, of all things, is definitely one of these) that the "what are the politics of the academy" question seems really extraneous.

Sticks and Stones
I was with Adams until he advocated torturing the guy. Likewise with those who expressed similar sentiments, leaving their principles in the dust and letting their anger take over. I thought it was the Jihadists who tortured people who disagreed with them and appeared threatening.

What, you really didn't mean, literally, "a bullet to the brain"? Well, maybe he didn't really mean "Death to America" either. Speech is symbolic.

And speech, both his and yours, is protected, and might I say sacred. Does this rise to the level of shouting fire in a crowded theater? If there's not a law to cover this, should there be? Maybe. Let's debate that.

Certainly there is enough evidence in his behavior to warrant (pun intended) the FBI watching this guy. IMHO he's just a juvenile scumbag, and yes, if I were KSU, I'd fire him.

But the best way to counteract him is to expose him and let his behavior speak for itself. Thanks for doing that. But both sides tend to over-argue their point, and lose their credibility in the process. Very few people are 100% bad, or 100% good either.

So maintain your respect for freedom of speech, it's what defines us. We can take it, can't we? Or are we pansies?

jakobscalpel
Sorry but not entirely true.

1. He has no right to a teaching job when he's clearly delusional and maybe dangerous.
2. People like him can't be convinced, despite fact or reason. Just look at the post from the left.
3. Wrong, they have no right to use terrorism.
4. They've been threatening us for decades, most of America didn't wake up to that fact until 9/11/01.


academic moron
1. This professor has every right to say what he thinks, war time or not. That should be protected.
2. The free market of ideas will eventually crush his arguments if they truly are invalid. As they are.
3. Jihadists, as humans, have every right to pursue whatever they want.
4. I, as a human, have every right to wish for and/or achieve their destruction at the hands of my government if they so much as think of threatening me (us).

People like this are one of the main reasons I quit grad school. I loved the learning and I even liked the openmindedness. But I hated the unspoken pressure to be PC at all times and the inevitable diminishment (in their eyes) that came with speaking your mind. Instead of being a professor I am now out of that realm forever, and couldn't be happier.

AL
Perhaps it is more indicative of the liberal bias in the various institutions of higher learning than you see. People like Pino wouldn't be tolerated in less liberal saturated environments. The fact that they can get away with it in universities (or San Francisco) demonstrates the liberal bias. I agree, he's a nut but he still has no business teaching. If he did, indeed, "provide battle dispatches, training manuals, and jihad videos to our brothers worldwide," then he may have committed crimes too. I don't claim to be a lawyer (who would?) but he does sound like he supports terrorism and that makes him worth looking at and not worth hiring.

Pino and the academy
Cate's evidence above seems persuasive, and assuming these allegations are all true, Pino's clearly a malicious nutcase. What doesn't seem quite reasonable to me is something suggested in Adams's article (Pino teaches more even-handedly than faculty at UNCW--I realize this was a joke, but still a joke with a point) and then repeated in many, many posts here: that Pino is in some way representative of the left-leaning academy. This is clearly ridiculous, and many of the factual claims made above are patently false. Just because it jumped out at me: Harvard hires mostly women and minorities (Mark Ruffolo claims this above)? The most recent figures I could find (2002) indicate that even though a majority of Harvard's college students are female, only 36% of the faculty is female. White people made up 83% of the faculty in 1997 (see http://www.harvardmagazine.com/on-line/030218.html for the figures; again, these were the most recent I could find quickly).

Assuming all the allegations are true, Pino's a nut, I'll repeat that again, and the idea of him teaching at a respected educational institution is horrifying. But to imply that he's in some way representative of higher education in the US (as Adams does), or that his existence is evidence of "how much control the liberals have now" (as Jeebus does) in the academy seems really unsubstantiated. Are university professors to the left of the US generally? Yes, of course. Does this have much to do with this case? Not as far as I can see.

Jeebus
People that have nothing to add except to correct other people's grammar, (spelling, punctuation, etc.) on the internet, shouldn't bother posting at all, imho. Good thing you also mentioned that he was wrong about the legality of the war. :D

BTW: "Before you call anyone "ignorant", know that neither "freedom fighter" nor "bad guys" are hyphenated, moron."
(The comma after "ignorant" goes inside the close-quote, not after.)

MWB's post Me and Julio Down by the Schoolyard
Hilarious. You label supporters of an aggressive stance against terrorism "profoundly ignorant", yet your grasp of English grammar is worse than your grasp of international law. The legalities of the Iraq campaign have been perfectly elucidated by Patriot, so I'll just concentrate on your use of the English language.

Before you call anyone "ignorant", know that neither "freedom fighter" nor "bad guys" are hyphenated, moron.

The Jihadist Professor
As a journalist, and a conservative one at that, it's staggering to me just how much control the liberals have now.

Consider:

The media: with rare exception, basically a free platform for the DNC.

The House and Senate: Democrat majorities are on a tear, fully supported by the aforementioned media, meaning Dems "run the table" in terms of the message that reaches people: i.e. fighting terrorists is bad, Iraq is a total failure, and retreat is the only option.

Education:
Pukes like this guy are being paid -- handsomely, more than I am and more than many other educated people are -- to act as a mouthpiece for America's enemies.

There was a time when traitors like this were tarred, feathered and hanged in the village square.

If you want to take a stand, people, TAKE A STAND. SILENCE against liberal oppression is as bad as taking part in it.

References - CV
His CV is posted and below are the faculty that stand behind him. Perhaps they should be made aware of his teaching "methods".

Professor Steven Topik
Chair, Department of History
University of California at Irvine
Irvine, CA 92717
Tel. (714) 824-6522

Professor Robert Levine
Department of History
University of Miami
P.O. Box 8107
Coral Gables, FLA 33124-4662
Tel. (305) 284-5963

Professor Donald Ramos
Associate Professor of History and First College
Director of International Programs
Cleveland State University
1983 East 24th Street
Cleveland, OH 44115
Tel. (216) 687-3920 ex. 3910

Professor Allen Wells
Department of History
Bowdoin College
Brunswick, ME 04011 Tel. (207) 725-3728

Professor Elizabeth Kuznesof
Department of History
University of Kansas
Lawrence, Kansas 66045
Tel. (913) 864-3569
Fax: (913) 864-5046
e-mail: kuznesof@falcon.cc.ukans.edu

Professor John French
Department of History
226 Carr Bldg., Box 90719
Duke University
Durham, NC 27708
Ph. (919) 684-3014
jdfrench@acpub.duke.edu

Dr. Joel Outtes,
Lecturer
Oriel College, Oxford University
Oxford, England, United Kingdom
Oxford OX1 4EW, UK
Tel. 44 07740589007
joel.outtes@oriel.oxford.ac.uk


Professor Jose´ Carlos Sebe Bom Meihy
Director Academico
Departamento de Historia
Universidade de Sa~o Paulo
Av. Prof. Luciano Gualberto-Travessa J-No. 31
Reitoria Antiga
Sa~o Paulo, Brasil 05508-900, Brasil
E-mail: jcarlos@hotmail.com
Professor David Lorey
The William and Flora Hewlett foundation
525 Midlefield Rd, suite 200
Menlo Park, CA 94025
(650) 329-1070
E-Mail: d.lorey@hewlett.org

MWB
Why is it only retarded liberals making that deluded claim?

Congress did authorize military action (war) and even the socialist democrats aren't claiming what you are.

The fact that you think America is the "bad guy" proves how worthless the left is.

MWB
Did you never watch CNN from 1991 to 2003?

The USA had authority to invade Iraq based on UN Resolutions approved by the International Community which were suppose to stop Saddam in his mad quest for nuclaer and other WMDs, after he had invaded Kuwait and been driven out.

He refused to obey these Resolutions, and was warned repeatedly that the International Community would enforce them as written. We did, and had approval from the vast majority of the world's countries.

Not one member of the UN Security Council vetoed anything in the resolutions, or anything we did, not even France who protested but stood by. They could have, and we would not have had authority to go into Iraq.

It was legal in every sense of International Law.
Wake UP ! The coffee is done !

As far as Afghanistan is concerned, you are right, we invaded without provocation. Oh wait, we wanted Osama Bin Laden for the murder of 3000 people and two NYC skyscrapers and the Taliban refused to cooperate. So we twisted their collective arms a bit, so what? They are better off today than they were under the Taliban, especially those who had no rights under the Taliban. That would be 50% of the population, all of them women.

Drink your coffee black?

Cate - Thanks for more proof, I happen to not be very geekly on computer stuff and I appreciate your help.

More for Don
I'm surprised that you need proof. The University paper is familiar enough with Pino. The paper published his essay "Singing out Prayer for a youth martyr".

http://unilateral.blogspot.com/2002_04_14_unilateral_archive.html#75558572

Don
Bloghi.com has a comment notifier option. In other words, if you comment on someone's blog, they get an email alert that there is a new comment on one of their posts. Bloghi's comment notifiers used to look like this: (I edited the profanity)


From : blogHi! - free blog hosting
URL : http://elmersbro.bloghi.com/2005/12/14/another-salvo-this-one-in-the-land-of-oz.html#comment-13688
Author : Lover of Angels (jpino@kent.edu) Author URL : http://global-war.bloghi.com/ Sent to : xxxxxxxxxxx@yahoo.com
--------------------

Comment:
Memo to Oz: M******f******, suck Howard's tiny c***, and while your at it, stick your own up yer mother's arse.


More comments by Dr.Pino/Lover of Angels

[This was in reference to the deportation of the Ohio cleric recently. (LOA is Lover of Angels)]

I warn the Zionist-criminals: If you harm this Brother, it will be the last Brother you will ever harm. Global Islamic Jihad against the Zionist Jews!

Comment by Lover of Angels— 2005/11/26 @ 11:00 AM #

LOA

:smile:Yes, but think of all those "sleepers", like LOA, who are left behind, live and dangerous. Who knows when the next martyrdom operation might be coming to your town? I do.

Comment by Lover of Angels— 2005/11/28 @ 10:13 AM

Does he talk this way in class?

Dear Wacky
You've gone off message and opted to bash the man Bush. This discussion between us was intially about:
"Sheesh, after reading all these posts you'd think liberals were trying to actively kill everyone else, instead of engaging in debate and argument over how best we can all live together." and the conditions of treason by PINO.

And Sedition is not "... the attempt to overthrow the government by word." It is about incitement. Check your dictionary or do I have to cite every detail to satisfy you? Heck, try Wikipedia and plug in both "sedition" and "treason" before you come to the table with your authorities.
AND that treason is "parochial" is what is laughable. Is war "parochial" as well? You smack of the rhetoric of the limousine liberals. That's an ad hominum attack because this discussion is ended. GAME, SET AND MATCH SUCKER!!



Taxpayer-funded terror support
When the federal government provides grant money to a university's hard science departments, money is freed up for the school to finance seditionists and fifth columnists in the so-called social science departments. Thus, regardless of which departments are ostensibly receiving the grant money directly, there is no separating the inflow of fed dollars from the outflow of rampant anti-Americanism on our nation's college campuses. I for one am tired of paying for it.

Cut off Kent State's Fed $$$
If the taxpayers of Ohio think Benedict Pino is just what their state needs, I say let them pay for it themselves. As a federal taxpayer however, I will be lobbying my Congressman to cut off ALL funding for Kent Seditionist University, because every dollar KSU receives from Uncle Sam frees up one more dollar to finance the Ohio-based Jihad Movement. For that matter, if the citizens of Ohio can't or won't clean up their act, I think the rest of this nation needs to take a hard look at cutting off the flow of fed dollars into the state altogether.

WTF?
I am tax-paying citizen of Ohio. Why are my tax dollars paying his salary? If he has time to publish sedicious material on the Internet, he'd better be publishing at least one significant scholarly work a year.

Let us put the shoe on the other foot. If there was a Christian professor recruiting students/people via a website to blow up abortion clinics, I would be just as revolted.

REMEMBER, the ACLU will defend him and the NAMBLA in the same breath.

God Bless you all.

neoconnazis
Funny how you folks only support free speech if you like what's said....instead of stripping naked and torturing this guy we should do that to the war criminals in washington...oh yeah you like them. Hail Neocons!! Thank God you chislers haven't figured out how to disarm me yet. exit to the tune of it's 1938 in america...

Jihad in Ohio?
Send the National Guard to Kent State!
Again!

Cate's Proof
I am a 2 semester student of Dr. Pino's at kent State University. I have class with him tomorrow. I do plan on asking Dr. Pino about the validity of these claims. However I would apreciate if cate could share the proof sent to Dr. Adams

What's the big deal?
This is just normal American University crap in your own nest behavior.

Proof for Pappy Michael
I sent proof to Mike Adams at his uncw email address. I have screen shots of his IP address that correspond with the exact dates and times global war posted comments on another blog. (host name rmp.history.kent.edu) Would that be enough for you?

Anonymity is useless in a virtual world filled with free site trackers. By the way, he used to have his picture on the blog - then he went into hiding with only his eyes showing behind a veil. Most recently he has taken to using mug shots of other jihadists.


Me & Julio
What do you expect from the Liberal academia these days. We have Ward "Bozo The Clown" Churchill in Colorado, and now we have the happy Jihadist in Ohio. Have you ever wondered why only the radical left is allowed to spread its rancid vitrol and not anyone even remotely representing an opposing view is acceptable under any circumstances? Sooner or later this will have to stop or this once great nation will wake up one morning and find itself a poor second class shell of its former self. This being the result of the tolerance doctrine of the liberal/socialists media,educators,& politicians we are allowing to monopolize our thinking today. Unless we decide to stand up and challange this cancer, we are getting only what we deserve.

Wacky
Actually, President Bush *did* list Saddam's oppression and murder as one of the reasons for going to Iraq. Funny how the libs forget that when convenient.

As for your denial that Iraq IS a part of the (WOT) war on terror, how do you explain all the blood money Saddam gave to the families of terrorist suicide bombers? What liberals try to do is equate the WOT with a narrow-minded war on AlQueda when it's really a War on all terror, as defined. How we continue to let Iran get away with it's support of terror, I have no idea but that's another topic. Additionally, we couldn't afford to take the risk that Saddam would give material support to terrorists as a way to attack America remotely. He did fire on out planes, patrolling the no-fly zones, constantly.

Finally, whether or not he committed a crime, what he says is completely unacceptable for a professor or an American. While the government might not be able to do anything (unless he has broken laws) about him, there's nothing, IMHO, that gives him a "right" to indoctrinate and propagandize our youth. There's no reason we can't hold him accountable for his words, even if the government can not.

He is a traitor, treason or not.

Kent State Jihad
Forget the interrogation. Bullet to the brain. I agree with free speech, but this is treason.He, Jane Fonda and others like them, should be in jail.

The Nutty Professor
Okay, I followed all the links listed. The pictures do not look like each other. Where is the link that links Professor Jihad to the unintelligeble writings on (global-war.bloghi.com)?

I am a fan of Mike Adams, but I see a very tenuous connection between the two.

Maybe I am missing something here, anyone help?

If Iraq is vietnam
Then the professor can invite his friends to protest and may be the national guard will show up.

Back at you, Sir!
Well, my return's going to be a bit more involved and focus on all the points you raised, but I think the terrible thing about the entire Iraq war is that I supported it, but not for any reason that anyone supposedly gave.

You see, Saddam Hussein committed genocide against Kurds in the 1980s. I have a firm belief (As does Bob Dole and Al Gore) that any government that commits such an act should be removed and replaced. That's the "nation building" that so many conservatives complained about Mr Clinton. There are quite a few libs who will agree with me on this.

The problem with the war was that, because it was placed in the purview of "the war on terror," the war itself became an adjunct to the war on terror instead of the punishment and removal from power of an evil man who killed thousands of his own people. This gave people an excuse to rally behind the insurgents and all that. As you can see in Iraq right now, they're not targetting US forces more than they are killing each other. Such are the power politics of the war on terror. The other side is probably more confused than we are.

It could still have been fixed, though, but the US forces assigned to Iraq were not large enough to pacify the country. And then the killing started in earnest. I doubt the troop surge will do much at this late date.

That's the terrible thing. Can't go- that's abandoning the Iraqis to murderous madmen- Can't stay- because the US forces are providing an excuse to the insurgents to be in the country. Rest assured that Iraqis are wondering why they are killing Shias and Sunnis instead of a "proper resistance" against the Americans, but leaving will make it really, really obvious. But considering the moral failures of the administration, if it changes, then there is no longer any "guilt" about abandoning the Iraqis. A self interested government would want to remove its soldiers as quickly as possible, and that's their prerogative.


And finally, on Sedition-

Sedition is the attempt to overthrow the government by word. It's still law in Commonwealth Countries, but I do believe it's unconstitutional in the USA because of the First Amendment (You need "Treason"). Treason is caused by overt acts, not by words. Words can never be treasonous unless they "aide and abet" the enemy. Unless our friend is telling Jihadists the layout of the pentagon, or similar information, nothing he says can be treasonous.

Anyways, shouldn't treason be a laughing offence? It's so parochial and non suited to a democratic state (unless via violent overthrow) the punishment should be a year of being constantly laughed at.

More Poor Poopy Poetry From Prof Pino
Tom: Here is another email from Julio "Assad" Pino of Kent State. He knew I was a Vietnam veteran, so he ridiculed me and the other Vietnam vets in the following email.

"From: Assad Pino
To: Joe Clarke
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 9:18 PM
Subject: Blows Against the Empire


"This sure is Charlie's weather."

Viet Nam,
They just can't win in Viet Nam,
When all they want to do,
Is to help Ky and Thieu.

Everything is going in the wrong direction.
Airborne 101 can't pass inspection,
And the Saigon troops just won't stop their defection.
I wrote this song, just to let you know that...

Viet Nam,
They just can't win in Viet Nam,
When all they want to do,
Is to help Ky and Thieu.

We've come to tell this NLF convention,
How the Viet Cong smahed US intervention;
With People's War---the world's greatest invention.
I wrote this song, just to let you know that...

Viet Nam,
They just can't win in Viet Nam,
When all they want to do,
Is to help Ky and Thieu."

Professor Pino's Poopy Poetry
I live very close to Kent State and have communicated with Julio "Assad" Pino
This first email from him is an example of his poetry where he expresses his pleasure over the Twin Tower crash:
"Subject: Dem Wild Jihadi Boyz


767 Coming out of the sky

Won't you take me to Manhattan on a mid-morning ride?

We're on the move."

Working for a jihadi band.

Flying across the land,

Got no plans to land,

Working in a jihadi band.



Heard Mohammed Atta say, "Get packing, going somewhere,

C'mon shahab, let's get out of this room!

We're on the move.

Working for a jihadi band.

Flying across the land,

Got no plans to land,

Working in a jihadi band."



Listen to the radio,

Talk about the last shahada.

Someone got excited,

Called the Zion State Militia.

We're on the move.

Working for a jihadi band.

Flying across the land,

Got no plans to land,

Working in a jihadi band.



Working in a jihadi band.

Working in a jihadi band.

Won't you give the Sheik a hand?

'Cause we're working in a jihadi band.

Flying across the land,

Got no plans to land,

Working in a jihadi band."

acceptreality
How does that make your spam any more acceptable? Citations?
"Here's your card..." -- Bill Engvall

Mikee's hypocrisy
Mikee also spends an inordinate amount of time spreading his own agenda.

Writing extensively for Townhall.... Hopping on jets and limos, making pilgrimages coast to coast (who pays?) ... giving lectures glorifying his views, mocking those who disagree .... digging up dirt on his host of "enemies".... crafting clever ways to ambush and punish those people.... writing and hawking his books after (possibly) using University computers, supplies and secretaries' time.

I truly wonder if Mikee gives Univ. of NC Wilmington a full day's work for a full day's pay.

Dear Wacky
It is a breath of fresh air to debate with you in a civil fashion. Though you avoided some of my other salient points, we should define "kill" here. Sedition and treason gets soldiers "killed" everyday over there. My interpretation of "kill" though it isn't #1 on the list of definitions, these are next:
2. to destroy; do away with; extinguish.
3. to neutralize the active qualities of: to kill an odor.
If I qualify in all respects for a job but my political position denies that job then they are "killing" me. And I'm sure that OBL is a nice guy to a LOT of people.
As to bringing charges, Lord knows if I had the financial position to do so I would but they've been killin' me for years in the film industry (sniff). Our plutocracy masquerading as a democracy is a thwart on our backsides. Your serve.

Professor Pino
Is the Associate Prof Pino tenured?

Even tenured professors can be fired for cause.......and threatening jihad against any American is "cause" in my book.

Unbelievable, hopefully some computer wizard will hack out his website.

In the meantime what are the Kent State Trustees doing? There is academic freedom in the US, however just because the terroist is an "academic" doesn't mean he can't be kicked to the curb.

WHAT is wrong with this country.?

Scouts Out
I completely agree with you that words have effects and consequences. But consider the difference between the two sentences:

"I am going to kill you;"
"You don't deserve to live."

Pretend that the person in question being insulted is the USA.

Sentence 1 is a seditious sentence. You are going to overthrow the USA, you are going to DO something to the USA to "kill" it. That's the same as a declaration of war. "We are going to invade your country."

Sentence 2 is NOT a seditious sentence. It is a statement of opinion. You are saying that the USA is unworthy. That's like saying, "The USA is evil."

Yes, it hurts when someone says sentence 2 to you. If you love someone who's had that said to them, you will feel upset and angry for that loved one- and I think we can all accept that all Americans do, in their heart of hearts, love their country. But a person who realises that in the ideals that the USA stands for, one of the most important is the freedom of expression that does not "hurt" in the sense of assault or in the fire burning in theatre ruse.

Until this professor has said something that indicates that he will actively attack the USA, or actually does so, he is doing nothing but insulting the USA. And as hurtful as that may be, they are but names, and names will never dim the admiration I have for your country.

Kent State
It's beyond belief that a State supported would allow an obviously insane man to teach at any institution, except possibly the psych ward. If this guy is such a firm believer why doesn't to go to Iraq or Afghanistan and practice what he is preaching?

the impact of words
"... And we are at war so sedition is a treasonous act." Bravo, Nick!

It seems rather ignorant for one (such as Wacky) to conclude that words are just that - words. Now, this may be true in grade school when the bully pokes fun and insults one of his peers. But you see, in the real world, words have impact - which leads to consequence.

The leader of one nation announces to the world his declaration of war on another country - do these words have no meaning? As I said - the impact of mere "words" lead to a reaction, a response, a consequence.


Jihadist Professor
It may be that this will only end after the Democrats allow Iran to have nukes and they send one up the Potomac in a lead box in a rowboat. If we are fortunate enough that Congress and the Supreme Court are in session when it happens then we will be freed from the political correctness that allows this madness to occur. Sooner or later we will have to face these Jihadists and it looks more and more like we will have to defend our homes and children here instead of in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Jabelson
You can't compare a few thousand racists, 50 years ago, to a million modern Islamic militants.

First, the klan didn't oppose the Jews based on religion it was based on race, they just used their religion as yet another excuse.

Second, the IRA was a political movement they didn't target by religion, they targeted by nationality.

Last, the modern Islamofacists *are* using religion to justify their terrorist actions and hate. They don't care what race you are. They claim that the Muslims that they kill don't count for this reason and that.

The only thing you got right is that the Christians aren't blowing themselves up in the name of God to murder innocent children. McVeigh didn't blow himself up, he ran and was executed later.

Radical Christianity/Judism is a myth, as I explained above. Just *trying* to equate the JDL with terrorist orgs is nothing less than moral relativism. If you're worried of Christians/Jews you need help.


Dear Nick
hmmm. Really? I always try to be polite and understanding when I debate- it's why I can't stand the term "culture war" or "liberal/fascist/conservative plot" claims. The fact that you can intersperse any political adjective into that sentence just shows how empty it is. Liberals are plotting to kill you as much as Osama bin Laden is a nice guy.

If the liberals you talk to and debate frighten you to the extent that you think they are trying to kill you, you should try and put assault charges on them. I'm fairly serious here. Verbal assault is a serious offence and can offer Jail time if serious enough. The law will find out if it's actually assault or just a case of two groups of people with poor conflict resolution skills.

Unfortunately, it's not illegal to be rude to someone else. Sadly. Nor is it illegal to be offensive and insensitive to victims of terror. Until there is proof (Which, after what Mike has written, will surely be looked for by the authorities *sigh*) the Professor is entitled to his stupidity.

Kent State Proffesor
If this muslim convert believes that we should be defeated by Bin laden, he needs to be removed and sent to a muslim country of his choice forever no return all passports revoked! If I were a parent of a student at Kent state I would pull my kid out that toliet, create a nighmare for the facilty by lobbying all the parents to pull their kids from this school! He should be removed for sedition, then stripped of all his duties an no ability to ever teach again, and be put on a terror watch list! Why is it libs are supporting terrorists? Follow the money trail into democrat fundraising! He needs to join a homicide bomber club and blow himself to bits for ALA!