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Wednesday, January 17, 2007
Mike Adams :: Townhall.com Columnist
How to Manhandle Those Who Panhandle
by Mike Adams
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I just don’t get it. Many city governments have had a chance to do something about serious panhandling problems but have been reluctant because of the First Amendment. For example, one of the local “leaders” in my hometown once refused to support an anti-panhandling ordinance because of free speech.

Sadly, the aforementioned politician had previously refused to support a local school teacher who used the word “niggardly” simply because it sounded like a word he didn’t like. In other words, he isn’t a defender of free speech. He just a) assumes that all panhandlers are black, and b) always sides with black people to get re-elected.

It goes to show that many self-proclaimed defenders of free speech are really just self-interested whores – present company excluded.

But now that I have realized most panhandlers use a word that “sounds like” a word I don’t like – most ask for a “buck” though they seldom discuss “angina” – I’ve decided to fight back. In fact, I’ve been waging my own personal war on panhandlers for months now. Since I’ve gotten pretty good at it, I’ve decided to share a dozen or so of my best responses to panhandlers. Hopefully, they will help you to avoid unpleasant encounters. So, without any further delay, I sincerely hope you enjoy the following:

Crack Head (hereafter “CH”): “Excuse me brother, but could you spare some change?”

Major Smart Aleck (hereafter “MSA”): “No, but if you would like I’ll go straight to the projects to buy you some crack rock. I like to know for certain how people are spending my money.”

CH: “Excuse me brother but …”

MSA: “You already asked me that once. Don’t you recognize me? Oh, I get it – you think all white people look alike. You’re a (rhymes with “bucking”) racist!”

******

CH: “Hey buddy, you got a dollar I could …”

MSA: “No sir. All I have is a bunch of 100 dollar bills and a gun.”

******

CH: “Hey brother, don’t I know you?”

MSA: “Yes. Yes, I believe you do. We met in jail after I pistol whipped that guy who tried to panhandle me after starting a fake conversation.”

******

CH: “Buddy could …”

MSA: “Hi, I’m with the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Could I have a few minutes of your time?”

******

CH: “Sir, do you have some money I could send back to my family in Mexico?”

MSA: (Hands him a single peso).

******

CH: “Buddy could …”

MSA: Hi, I’m with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Could I have a few minutes of your time?

******

CH: “Hey mister …”

MSA: (Faking conversation on cell phone). “I don’t know, Scott. I mean killing panhandlers is a little too much. I think they should just be castrated. We are talking about the first offense, right? Recidivists should definitely be hung or shot. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not going liberal on you.”

******

CH: “Mister …”

MSA: “Could you spare some change?”

CH: (silence).

******

CH: “Sorry to bother you, sir …”

MSA: “Oh, you’re not bothering me at all. Lately, I’ve been eager to talk to a black male panhandler about racism. One of my communist colleagues thinks that racism causes poverty, which, in turn, causes panhandling. But I’ve never been panhandled by a black female. And I’ve been panhandled many times by white males. Clearly, racism is not your problem. What exactly is your problem?”

******

CH: “Sir …”

MSA: “I’ll bet you all the money in my pocket that you’re about to ask me for money.”

CH: “How did you know that?”

MSA: “Well, at least you’re honest. If you were a little brighter you would have said ‘You’re wrong’ and received $196 in cash. Of course, if you were brighter you wouldn’t be begging a guy with a loaded weapon.”

******

CH: “Spare change? Have you got a little spare change, buddy?”

MSA: “I’m sorry but I’m just too niggardly in my use of spare change. Don’t I know you from somewhere? Have you ever served on City Council? ”

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Oh how clever. Way to use the word "niggardly" to a hypothetical black panhandler. Mike, do you become arroused when people call you a racist?

Panhandlers
Great column Mike.

Fortunately we don't have too many of them where I live but when I see them I follow some advice given to me by a friend.

Matt was accosted by a young male at a train station who came up with a *ock and bull story about not having enough money for his fare.

Matt said that he wouldn't have him cash but would buy him a ticket if he was genuinely in need. funnily enough the young man didn't seem that interested in getting home.

I tried the same thing to a pathetic looking old man who latched on to me claiming to want bus fare. He too lost interest when I offered to buy him a ticket. A police man later on told me that this particular pan handler had done so well out of his con that he owned three houses.

Matt's other stunt when dealing with touts from Amnesty International, World Wide Fund For Nature et al on the street is simply say. "I don't care. Dying elephants? Not my problem. Gitmo? couldn't give a stuff."

They learn to recognise and avoid him after a while.


Panhandlers
Good article, tough subject. I've actually used a variation of a couple of these..."I was just about to ask you that", and I'd rather just follow you to the liquor store, and buy you whatever you want"...of course I just keep striding along while they try to figure it out.

This is just unfunny garbage
I've found that just ignoring them works well, but if you're looking to be needlessly offensive, I guess these might work.

I had one
ask me if she knew where she could get a coat. (I guess the 3 she had on were not enough) So, I directed her to my wife who was still sitting in the car and said "Ask her. She's the shopper in the family!"

annoy a panhandler, enrich a 'charity'
A few years back here in Boston some liberal got the idea of getting convenient stores and others to issue and accept script in small denominations that could be redeemed only for food. The concept was that you could take some change in the do-good money and feed a bum. The stores went along with it. Of course it was a flop. Nothing, but nothing, ever angered a panhandler the way that getting that food friendly money did. As most of the money was never redeemed the issuers of the currency, to wit, a liberal charity group, made out very nicely. They set out to do good and did very well indeed.

Great replies, Mike
Would you also give us some witty replies for those annoying telemarketers?

my 2 cents
MA - You are usually funny with your columns but you've screwed the pooch with this one and in doing so I would venture that you have negated a lot of the good you have done with some previous columns.

Not funny. Not even close.

Unknown
Read the column. Mike mentions being panhandled by white males, but no black females. You are showing your own hangups, if you see this column as an attack on blacks. Don't be so sensitive.

Seth
You are obviously the product of public education. Words has have a specific meaning. For instance, "Bass-hole" means 'place where a skilled angler might catch a small or large mouth bass."

Just because something SOUNDS similar does not mean it IS similar.

Sometimes the differences can be astounding IE NASCAR/VASCAR. One is dedicated to driving at speeds in excess of 160 mph. The other in dedicated in apprehending those who insist on driving faster than the posted speed limit.

So please refrain from acting like a word similar to bass-hole.

InIt2WinIt

Hamilcar Barca

Response to panhandlers
"Beat it, buddy! I'm working this corner!"

Responses
Generally I just walk past them, or say "No" in the same voice I used for my kids when they panhandled me for expensive toys or junk cereal.

If more is necessary, I say "I will pray for you." Nobody can object to that. If they persist I pray for them out loud. Mostly they hate to draw attention to themselves as 'aggressive panhandling' will subject them to the attention of the cops.

For the young panhandlers I fix them with a stare and say "I'm an American." This is code in Canada for "I am armed and dangerous." (The older panhandlers figure it's code for "Get a job.")

They get aggressive
I was walking to my car in Denver about 5 years ago when some guy comes up to me and starts to ask for change. As per my habit (I lived in New York City for four years) I simply ignored him. Man, did he go off.

He ran right up to me and started to scream at me that just because he needed money didn't give me the right to ignore him. He started to tell me how I thought I was better than him because I was white. This is how I responded (paraphrased):

First, I said, you think that just because you want something from me, you have the right to bother me. Listen pal, rights go both ways! If you don't want to be ignored, don't go around bothering complete strangers on the street. A Public thoroughfare is not a place where you have unlimited license to accost unsuspecting strangers.

Second, I don't think I am better than you because I am white. I think I am better than you because, when I went to public school, I paid attention. I worked nights to put myself through college and I lived hand to mouth to put myself through graduate school. I work a job I hate so that I can afford the clothes on my back and the food in my belly. It has nothing to do with the color of our skin, it has everything to do with the fact that I have too much self respect to go around begging people for money when jobs in this town are going begging everywhere.

I don't think he liked it, but he did go away.

Tongue In Cheek or Foot In Mouth?
I have become convinced, Mr. Adams, that your columns are, for the most part, put-ons. Narcissistic put-ons at that. The focus is always your smart-aleck response to a situation and not the actual situation itself. How is this helpful? How is this productive? Is your ego really that fragile?

Disappointed
Mike: I am a big fan of your column and never fail to read each one. I've always agreed with you But I think you blew this one. I agree that pan handlers more often than not got there by their own misdeeds and are NOT to be equated with the genuine needy. At the same time I see no humor in your responses and fail to see any useful purpose to them. I think this column is a failed attempt at sarcasm and as such it makes you look bad and will turn off a lot of people you may have otherwise positively influenced. You can and have done much better. This isn't your best work. I am disappointed with you.

Mike
I think you need to take a LONG break and get away from everything. Maybe go for a nice long hunt. Chill out. And when you come back, use your God-given writing talents for higher purposes than... this.

Another one for Telemarketers
When a T.M. calls, one of the things you can do (of many) and the one I always use is the following:

T.M. "Good evening sir. I'm from the blah, blah company and I just KNOW you'd be interested in yadda, yadda, yadda (etc., etc.)"

Me: "Could you hang on one minute please? This sounds interesting. Let me get a pencil so I can write down the information. Hold on..."

Then I just put the phone down on the counter and go about my business. Sooner or later, you'll hear that annoying, pulsing sound the phone makes when the call has been disconnected and you haven't hung up yet. THEN you hang up. It has NEVER failed -- not once...

exactly
That is exactly what I do with telemarketers. Just set down the phone and go about your business. It hurts their efficiency at disrupting others' lives.


My goodness Mike
You seem to have attracted quite a following among the Liberali. Keep them coming.

Needlessly Offensive John?
John writes: Wednesday, January, 17, 2007 1:13 AM
This is just unfunny garbage
I've found that just ignoring them works well, but if you're looking to be needlessly offensive, I guess these might work.

**********************************

Neddlessly offensive?.........you mean like panhandling?

A bit harsh...
But then again, most people panhandling won't leave you alone. Some places there's a nice legal way out. In Oklahoma City you have to have a license to panhandle, otherwise it's crime no matter if they come up to you or stand still with a sign.


$$$ runner
Hint: They aren't liberals. It's the Mormons. Offended by one line and trashing the whole article. And calling all their friends to log on and do the same. A real herd mentality.






A better way
My buddy use to live in Washington DC and came up with a better plan to handle panhandlers.

Just offer to buy them a meal. Better still, go to McDonalds and buy them some burgers and a drink, and just try and hand the panhandler the bag. Watch how fast they get ticked off and start calling you names.

Panhandlers just want your money so they can buy drugs or booze. If you give them money, you're not helping them. You're just helping to feed their bad habits.

If you really want to help them out, when it gets cold like it is right now, call the cops.

The cops will take them either to a half-way house or to jail. They'll get a warm place to sleep, a chance to dry out and some clean clothes to wear. Counseling is also provided.

But don't be surprised if..a few hours.. or a few days later.. to see that same panhandler on some other street corner.

The truth is, the vast majority of these panhandlers don't want to get their life together. They just want drugs and booze.

You can try something else. Sit down and talk to a homeless person when they're sober. Get together with some friends and buy the homeless
person an apartment and help get them a job.

Set it all up and watch how fast that person disappoints you. Panhandlers and the vast majority of homeless people are on the street by choice. It's their chosen vocation. Until they decide to change, there is little that you can do for them other than to feed them and get them out of the cold or the extreme heat.

You'll also see a number of homeless people who have been discharged from mental facilities. They will inevitably stop taking their meds and be back on the street harassing people or having psychotic episodes. Best to call the cops, so that they can get placed back into a treatment program.

I'm speaking from experience. It wasn't just my friend who dealt with panhandlers and the homeless every day. So did I and all my neighbors. What I'm telling you here is from my own personal experience.

You don't have to "mess with them" like Dr Adams is saying. They don't need threats. If you follow my advice, you can get these people the help that they need or just get them off of your streets if that is what you want.

From my experience, violence against these people is almost NEVER necessary. I only ran into one instance where that was necessary.

However, I ran into at least a hundred instances where it was not necessary. Just let the cops do their job and everything will work out just fine.
The neighborhood will be happy and the annoying panhandlers will be gone or at least somewhere where they can get some help.

This is one time where I disagree with the good professor. There are better, smarter, more logical, and more humane ways to deal with panhandlers than what what I'm reading here.

Dr. Adams, you're a good man Charlie Brown, but this time you're wrong.

The poor?
I, too, prefer to ignore panhandlers. I don't know their situation, and I don't care. I prefer to find a job instead of lying on a sidewalk, letting myself rot. I watched some friends of mine empty their pocket change into a drunk black man's cup one night in Boston. The vagrant thanked my buddy and gave him God's blessing. I walked away wondering if what my buddy had done was rituous. Well, I didn't have to wonder for long. As we headed into a package store the vagrant followed us in, went to the clerk's counter, dumped 10 pounds of dimes and quarters on the counter and POINTED to his particular bottle of cheap booze. At THAT point, I yelled to my pal, "Money WELL spent, Matt!

telemarketing savvy
How to handle a telemarketer. Funny stuff.

http://howtoprankatelemarketer.ytmnd.com:80/

Hamilcar
I love it when some lib like seth tries to criticize a guy like Adams and ends up proving Adams' point instead.

sheesh
Guys, it's all tongue in cheek. Adams isn't actually suggesting you do this! He names his antagonist, "major smart aleck." Is that the name of someone he wants you to emulate?

Patriot, you're right. I've done that. Offered, and given my lunch. They swear a lot. A trip to McDonalds sends them into absolute fits. (This is all when I was young and stupid and thought people who ask for help actually want help.)


One day in Cleveland
Panhandler: Hey brother can you spare a dollar?

wiseone: (walking by without even acknowleding the PH) Silence.

PH: Hey, what's the matter? Can't you talk?

wiseone: (turning abruptly and getting in the PH's face) Yeah, I can talk. What do you want to talk about? The Indians? The Browns? The economy?

PH: (somewhat taken aback) Well...well... I just wanted to know if you could lend me some cash.

wiseone: I know. You already said that. It's like I thought. You don't want to talk. You just want money. (turning to walk away) If you want money get a job. (turning abruptly and looking back) One more thing. You're NOT my brother. I have three brothers and they all work for a living.

test link
huh, for some reason the link doesn't work after I post it. But I just double checked it and it works fine, sorry, don't know what the tecnho is with that. I'll try it again?

http://howtoprankatelemarketer.ytmnd.com:80/


dont know
when i do the link from here it works, when i post, it does not, whatever. it was funny anyway...

Forget panhandlers and telemarketers
Somebody explain to me the caption under the picture above. What does panhandlers covering themselves from the mid day sun have to do with Fiji's Prime Minister and military heading for a possible coup and the resulting damage to the country's economy?

How about.......
Spare change? What are you going to do with it? Open a business?

Why do we do this?
Why are all people who disagree liberals? And why are the rudest "conservatives" (as they call themselves) the worst offenders when it comes to logical fallacies?

(note, this is a comment on the string of commentary, not the article)

As far as the article is concerned, I agree with everyone who thinks that panhandling is a nuisance, and I have little tolerance for it. Living in a mixed neighborhood, I also hate it, because some of the kids in the neighborhood are modeling that behavior. I try to talk to them about it, but who knows if it penetrates their pre-adult thinking?
I think Mike Adams has a right to be irritated, but at the same time, I don't think this article is constructive. Spending time thinking of ways to be snotty sounds like it comes more from boredom, or lack of good ideas for a good article, or worse, it comes from festering rancor, which is bad characteristic that seems to infect too many of my fellow conservatives...

Still blaming the VICTIM...
of course, they all *want* to be panhandlers. and of course, it's the *governments* problem. why aren't the local evangelicals helping with the situation? they've been claiming that the government isn't the solution... of course those same free marketeers don't see the need for the FDA either.

maybe we should just legislate the problem away. make it illegal. put them in prison. at least there they'd get cleaned up, sobered up, dried out, three squares and a bed. wait... that might be expensive.

so, Michael, instead of ridiculing the situation and blaming the victims, why don't you try something you claim the Democrats can't do; PROVIDE A PLAN. What's the solution?

We're waiting. We've been waiting for your solutions for six years now. Haven't heard any that worked.

And we're still waiting. I'm sorry, I can't hear you.... could you speak up. Your solution was....

Mike, the crazy man
We couldn't use a few more like you Mike.
KLH

Oopps...Mike, the crazy man
I meant to say, "We COULD use a few more like you Mike."
KLH

Verbivore
Hillarious Bob& Tom routine. Make sure popup blockers are turned off to make link work. I had a panhanler hold out a cup and say got something for me bro? I pizzed in the cup. Also if you see someone with a "will work for food" sign, offer him a job you'll never see him again.

More

I agree with a couple of the tactics mentioned previously.
When I first moved to Gallup NM, had a Anglo PH pull the "I need money for gas" ruse. I said I can't do that, but let me see if the station has a container to put gas in. I'll buy you some gas. He disapeared.
Later, a Native American woman came up saying "I need help, my husband beat me up." pointing to an almost healed scab. I told her that the Public Health Service hospial would take care of any injuries for free and offered to call transportation. She repeated the same sentence and so did I.
She walked off and went around the corner to meet a Native American man waiting there. ( her husband I assumed)
Added note: The Navajos got free health care at the PHS facility and had their own police to take care of domestic abuse. The most frequent cause of problems tended to be alcohol.

Expose Writer
The plan is called a job. Go to work & you won't have to beg. Unles that is you are a professional mendicant. An acquatintence once watched a street beggar in NYC work a corner until after rush hour he was picked up by a limo.

A few meandering thoughts:
1) Lay off the telemarketers. They may be annoying, but unlike panhandlers, they are WORKING A JOB. They are doing what I would consider a very difficult job trying to make some money so they can pay bills. They are simply the modern version of the door-to-door salesman. I was angery at them only until I realized my anger arose from me allowing them to victimize me - that is - take control. Now all I do is let them speak long enough so as to identify what they are about, then say, "Thanks for the call but I won't be needing that," then hang up.

But then, all the calls I get now are from charities. To them I say, "I appreciate the work your doing, but I do all my giving through my church. Thanks for calling." Then I hang up, and pay no attention to what they are saying as the phone is on the way to the cradle.

The only thing a telemarketer has in common with a panhandler is that our own sense of guilt is what gives them power. Once we relieve ourselves of this needless and useless guilt, we are much more free. Once we realize we do not owe the telemarketer our time or reasons for not buying his product, he loses his power to waste our time. It was also beneficial to me when I realized that, actually, my listening to the telemarketers whole spiel out of guilt was also a waste of HIS time, because I was not going to buy. So, when I politely give him my one sentence reply and hang up, I am doing him, as well as me, a favor.

2.) I do not know if Mike actually intends for us to use these responses. To me, his column has more to do with rescuing us from the victimization we feel at the hands of panhandlers. It is not a problem in my community, but I can imagine how it must be to be confronted by them on a continual basis. They feed on our desire to be nice.

Mike's article merely shows the hypocrisy of many panhandlers (they have none of the kind spirit they expect us to have) and stirs up our own courage to face down these subway and sidewalk bullies.

3.) What do you and I do to help those who have legitimate needs? it is one thing to confront the scourge of panhandlers; it is another thing altogether to consider what one may do to help the truly needy. It is one thing to dismiss the charity telemarketer with, "I do all my giving through my local church (or other charity)"; it is another thing altogether to actually give sacrificially to said church or charity and financially support those we believe are doing good in the world.

Sorry Mike & Telemarketing trashers.....
I'm not a Mormon, telemarketer, nor am I black.

As a Lion, I do know that MANY telemarketers are BLIND, and have few job options. They could easily suck off the 'government trough' but would rather be productive.

Those practicing their version of Christianity are in service to their God and fellow man.

I can also sympathize with Mike, writer's block happens. His best work comes naturally, as with making a sale.

However my top response would be, "Sorry, I just paid my property taxes."

Hamilcar Barca
While I agree with your explanation of the use of niggardly, your definition of Bass-hole is way off. A Bass-hole is a selfish, b@stard that runs his bass boat at 70mph in environmentally sensitive streams to get to the fish faster. He cares little and knows less about boater safety, courtesy or even humanity. It is a term other boaters use quite frequently and usually is accompanied by a single finger salute. For the most part, boaters are a unique and friendly bunch except for the Bass-holes!

As to the panhandlers, the offer to buy them food usually does the trick. For telemarketers, I got rid of my land line and use only a cell phone, keeps most at bay.

Offensive Postings
I find the responses of some of the posters here extremely offensive to panhandlers. You automatically assume that they are going to use the proceeds of their begging for booze and drugs! This stereotype is very demeaning and a hasty generalization. Some of the gentlemen by whom I have been panhandled have no interest in booze or drugs. At the end of their shift, they cast off their rags and get into their cars and drive to homes or apartments paid for by the blind kindness of strangers.

Do the math yourself and you will see how profitable panhandling can be. If we assume that 50% of the country is made up of Liberals, we can estimate that at least 25% of the people approached by a panhandler will give up some cash. Assume that at least 10 cars stop at a stoplight (A popular panhandling location) for each cycle. If 25% of the cars give a dollar to the panhandler, he or she makes $2.50 per cycle. Multiply that by an estimated 45 cycles per hour and you begin to see how much cash a panhandler can make.

Maybe we should all give up our jobs and become professional beggars. We can make loads of cash and gain the pity of Liberals everwhere.

Rude and Clever aren't synonyms
Gosh, Mike- Didn't your mama teach you anything? Rudeness is so low-class, so unnecessary. Here. Try these out and see how they work for you.

Response to panhandler: No, thank you. (keep walking.) Alternative: I give to the Community Soup Kitchen on Market St. They'll help you out. (keep walking.)

Response to telemarketer: No, thank you. (hang up.) Alternative: Sorry, we don't accept telephone solicitation here. Please take me off your list. (hang up.)

Both waste little time, and don't leave you looking petty and nasty. Face it: a sermon, a harangue, or admonishment from you aren't going to change an addict's or a bum's way of life. You're wasting your breath. And those telemarketers? It wasn't their idea to call and interrupt you. It's a badly-needed job for somebody with no job skills- somebody who's too proud to panhandle. Be kind, be brief, be firm. That's all. Costs nothing, makes a lousy job less of a burden.

But- I'm wasting MY breath, now. There seems to be quite a market for columns that show how rude, sarcastic, threatening, and downright mean, one human being can be. Suggesting that such a person attempt to rise above his nasty human nature is like suggesting a doper get a job. Futile.

They Never REALLY Want the Help
My dealings with panhandlers have been more on the less abrasive side -

A man outside Starbucks needs a buck for a cup of coffee so I invite him in for a good solid latte and a scone: no thanks, he says, but do I have a dollar for a bus?

A woman outside my grocery store needs money so she can feed her kids - I invite her in to shop with me and we can pick up some things for her as I do my shopping: no thanks, she says

It's 2:30 am and I'm loading my groceries into my trunk (I worked evenings and my store was open for 24 hours). A black gentleman comes up to me and wants to help me unload the groceries. "I know it probably freaked you out to have a black man come up to you in the middle of the night," he says. "No," I answer. "It freaks me out to have ANYONE come up to me in the middle of the night!" Believe it or not, we laughed and he left without issue when I told him I couldn't help him that day.

So...for the most part I've discovered that people want cold hard cash, and probably not for the reasons they tell me.

Rich? Environmentalist Making NO Sense..
You're sounding like an environmentalist NOT knowing what they're talking about. Do you even know what a stream is? I have never seen a bass boater on any 'streams'. As far as a bass boat going 70mph, when motor and boat are at the proper 'tilt' there's LESS wake, than a 25hp doing 15mph. Sorry, I'm just the resort owner here on Shawano Lake in Wisconsin.

Telemarketer replies
when a telemarketer calls, you can say:

(1) "I'm busy at the moment. Give me your phone number, and I'll call you back." When the TM says, "I can't give you my number," you can say, "I didn't give you my number either!" And hang up.

(2) "I'm glad you called. I'm lonely today. I need somebody to talk to." Then blab on and on until the TM hangs up

Solution
Exposewriter:

Adams does provide solutions - for those of us who are tired of being harassed by these bums. If I ever pestered a woman the way these bums pester the rest of us for money I would be arrested as a stalker or sued for sexual harassment, or both.

"Evanglicals" DO help the "homeless". They do this in spite of being forbidden from receiving federal funds even though other non-profits who don't do as good a job get federal money. They do this in spite of being interfered with by government. Example: recently in the Carolinas a church was told it could not hand out free soup to the "homeless" because its kitchen didn't meet the state and/or local health codes that were written for restaurants.

Studies have shown conclusively that, contrary to liberal myth, over 80% of the "homeless" are that way because they have an addiction to some drug or chemical that makes it impossible for them to house themselves and impossible for their friends and even their family to live with them. So if you're serious about helping the "homeless" that's a good place for YOU (not Adams) to start.

We learned two things from the Presidencies of Reagan and Clinton. (1) During the Reagan years we learned that if you give money to the homeless you get (surprise!) more homelessness. From the Clinton years we learned that (2) electing a liberal Democrat to the Presidency instantaneously cures homelessness nationwide. Ann Coulter pointed this out in "Slander". As soon as Clinton took office the stories about "homeless" people vanished from the major media.

That must have been because the "homeless" vanished too, musn't it?

Very Funny!
Seriously, though...the poor [and the beggars] we will always have with us...why would the hardcore homeless want to change when they get money given to them for standing around looking pitiful?

Hasn't anyone here read a Charles Dickens book?

just money for c2H5OH
Beggar: "could you, sir, pay a contribution?"
me: no; then turned around to face him, and shouted: NO!
another day:
me (holding a bag of food in front of me): would you like to have my lunch?
beggar: no.
me (thinking he did not understand me): this is my lunch - a sandwich, some juice and a fruit. Do you want to eat it?
beggar: NO!
well, ef U very much I thought...

smart-alec replies to telemarketers
Arrggggghhhh.

Hello? One more try. Repeat after me. (It's a challenge, I know. Take it slow until you get the hang of it.)

No.
Thank.
You.
(hang up.)

Now, all together. Use your nice person voice.

"No, thank you." And gently hang up.

See how easy that was? All gone telemarketer. No need for rudeness, no need for disparaging a minimum-wage employee who needs the money or she wouldn't be doing this.

Trouble with being ugly to a telemarketer or a bum is that ugliness attaches itself to you like a bad smell. It spills over into other areas of your life. If you feel smug when you're rude to a telemarketer, you begin to think it's OK to flip off another motorist. Then it's OK to be short with a waitress, or other stranger. Then you can insult somebody else who means nothing to you, say, a college student who annoys you. Then you feel like maybe if you wrote a syndicated column bragging on your lack of manners, you could make a fortune. Unfortunately, the world is not one whit better off because you decided how cool it is to be a jerk.

So, behave yourself. It's quicker, easier, and doesn't make you look and sound so much like a total loser.


Deornwulf
Some years back in downtown Denver, an elderly man used to push an elderly wheel-chair bound woman down various streets panhandling. One of my fellow Mtn Bell employees happened to spot the couple in a parking lot where the women arose (on her own) from the wheel-chair after which the man placed it in the trunk of a Cadilic. They both entered the car & drove off.

Panhandlers
Two stories:

I was down the Inner Harbor one evening and a panhandler (a white man for those liberals so ignorant that they will automatically assume I am being a racist pig for relaying the story)came up to me just as I completed the purchase of a hot dog from a vendor cart. The bum asked for my change so he could get some food since the soup kitchens were all closed (no they weren't). So I gave him my dog. He slapped it to the ground, shouted some invective at me and stormed off. The vendor (a black man for those liberals so ignorant that they will automatically assume I am being a racist pig for relaying the story) offered to replace my dog since he didn't warn me in time about the bum. (I paid for the second dog too since I would have anyway if the my proffered food had been eaten; why stiff a working guy out of the cost of a dog, bun, and profit?)

Once when I was temprorarily out of work myself, I had scaled back so I could live within my means. That meant among other things, selling one of the cars, tapping savings, and cancelling cell phones and cable TV. I had scraped enough together to take the kids to McDonalds for Happy Meals. While we sat there watching the rain, one of the "Homeless Viet Vet -- will work for food" (HVV) fixtures on that corner (younger than me so clearly not a Viet Vet and wouldn't work for food -- I'd had tried give him work for food and got turned down ... Oh and a white man for those liberals so ignorant that they will automatically assume I am being a racist pig for relaying the story) came in from the rain. As the McD's manager scurried over with a gratis hot chocolate he asked the "HVV", "Think it'll stop raining soon?" To which "HVV" responded: "Well, I was looking at the Weather Channel this morning and ..." I heard nothing else. "HVV" could afford cable? Or at least his shelter could, in which case shelter funds were being misspent!

Now my donations all go directly to Catholic Charities, my Sisters' Place, or My Brother's Keeper.

white man's burden
1) Never donate money to 'religious' charities, b/c if somebody needs a God to be human, their 'cause' is already lost.

2) Don't all black-haired 'white' people look alike (and being that they are black-haired they are not white to begin with). . .

3) Shouldn't 'we' just shoot, after we 'pistol-whip,' anybody who makes less than 50 thousand a year, b/c you know one day soon they shall be a burden on the economy, i.e., SS, Medicare, Medicaid . . .

Everybody should become Jewish like and just take care of their own, and establish a nation based upon race alone; forget the wars' against 'terrorists,' too amorphous, or between rich and poor (that comes after the world-wide race war), or the war against those bleeding-heart liberals (shoot them too after a good old pistol-whipping, those Commie-loving atheists), but let us get back to the good old race wars!

-He makes winds his messengers, flames of fire his servants-

Panhandlers
You missed it big time on this one. I have spoken to many panhandlers over the years, many of whom are obviously mentally ill. One homeless woman I know is college educated, but says she suffers panic attacks when she is indoors, so she lives on the streets. She has no family. I have watched her sad decline over the last ten years, going from a normal looking woman to a bedraggled beggar with decaying teeth. Another woman I know thinks that her husband and the president are conspiring to kill her, so she drives the car that she lives in to a different location every night to hide from them. Oh, and she also thinks that aliens have planted a tracking device in her foot. These women and others like them are begging in order to eat that day. Clearly, not all panhandlers are trying to get you to pay for their next drug fix.

I usually enjoy your column and generally agree with most of your positions. But, you missed it big time on this subject. I really don't understand the purpose of your article. It wasn't even funny. All it did was make you look bad, which is a shame because I believe you to be a great guy.

telemarketers
I was a telemarketer for 3 years. That job sucks even though I made good money. (I happen to be good at sales)My biggest problem is the companies who outsource the call centers to India. I have friends who have lost jobs over this. I get most of my telemarketing calls from over seas. Even though I am on my state and the federal do not call list I still get calls from these people because they don't have to follow our laws. Each time I get a call from an Indian telemarketer (they can be quite rude) I tell them I am eating a hamburger. Then I ask them if they like hamburgers. (they worship their hamburger not eat it) This has ended the call quickly every time without fail.

My preference
CH: Buddy, got any spare change?
Me: Brother, have you heard the word of God and been saved?
CH: Never mind.

Telemarketers
I have tried the "No Thank you" then hang up ploy. Several have actually called me back. "We got cut off." No we didn't I hung up on you. "Why?" I don't want what you're selling. "You don't even know what I'm selling." Why is this conversation taking so long? Click.

One even called back again! She proceeded to berate me for my bad manners! She then heard bad manners.

Here's a good trick. Let them do their spiel. Tell them that you want to buy their product, that you need to go get your card. Lay the phone down ... don't hang up. Go eat dinner. Watch the ball game. Or have a "fight" with your wife concluding with sound effects and crying.

How about the "psychic" who sent me a post card saying she had "a urgent psychic message" for me. She misspelled of my last name! I called her and informed her that I was turning the card over to the local postmaster (and I did) since the fraud was obvious ... if you're psychic, you'd know how to spell my last name! "What is your name, sir. We'll take you off our mailing list right away." You're the psychic. Figure it out!

Panhandlers
Most panhandlers are, without any doubt,
(a) mentally ill. Poor souls. They need, but cannot find or accept help. Your quarter or two won't get them the psychiatric drugs that would ease their pain. Don't make your refusal worse by being unkind.
(b) addicts. See above. They don't want your hotdog, they want their next fix, and they want that desperately. You're not willing to buy it for them, so just say no, and keep on walking.
(c) con men (and women.) These we have in abundance. Everybody who's spent even two hours in a big city can tell you stories about the beggar with a wad of cash. No news here. Also, no spare cash here.

The thing is, we show much about who we are by how we treat those we consider our inferiors. Look at Hillary! and how shamefully she treats those who serve her. If we are rude to beggars, telemarketers, and others, we show ourselves to be ill-bred and dishonorable. At the risk of sounding stupid, I quote a couple of passages from a book I read portions of, once...
"Inasmuch as you have done it unto the least of these, my brethren, you have done it unto me." and "Do unto others, as you would have others do unto you."

Support your favorite local charities, be courteously brief in your telemarketer refusals, and maybe, even, if you're feeling particularly beneficient, smile at the bum when you say, "Not today, thanks." It hardly hurts at all, once you get used to it.


beggars and panhandlers
Here is where I have made decisions based on my gut. As a recovered addict I usually can tell the difference between a dope fiend looking to score and someone who needs a little help.(the dope fiend doesn't need help until he wants it).I have helped some and not others based on what my instinct tells me. I will admit that most times my response is not favorable the their cause. When I do help them and they say thank you I tell them to thank God and Cocaine Anonymous. You should see their faces.

Lighten up, fer cryin' out loud!
Good msg, Mike, intended, I believe, to engender NEITHER impoliteness NOR un-Christian-like charity but rather to stimulate thought & self-inventory--just what this msg-brd has provided!

That said, I've traveled the extant wasteland of panhandling, always fr/the accosted's standpoint since even during my "heroin years," I was a functional addict: I worked f/my fixes instead of "working out my salvation w/fear & trembling."

Herewith, then, f/your dining & dancing pleasure, a couple of my favorites:

PH: "Spare change?"
KJeffV: "No, thanks: I have plenty!"

TM: "How are you, today, Sir?"
KJeffV: "Terrible." [big pause in convo, at which point one may proceed w/his own msg]

PH: "Hey, Man, can you spare some ____?"
Cheech & Chong: "Have you spoken to the Lord today?"

postscript . . .
fave t-shirt msg #1: HONK IF YOU'VE NEVER SEEN A .45 FIRED FROM A MOTORCYCLE

fave t-shirt msg #2: VISUALIZE GETTING A JOB

fave bumper sticker: STOP GLOBAL WHINING

disclaimer . . .
Your reactions may vary.

My Worst Experience With a Panhandler
A long time ago (1987 to be exact) I was a law school student. Unlike 99% of the other law students that went to the Rutgers Law School in Camden, NJ, I actually lived in a third floor walk up in Camden near the university (across from the Walt Witman Poetry Center, to be exact)

Camden NJ, for those not in the know, is one of the poorest and desolate urban landscapes in the country, and has been that way for some time (being under continuous Democrat administrations).

Being a resident, I had the opportunity to become familiar with all the local panhandlers. There was the fat lady with a grocery cart, for instance, who parked herself in front of the Federal court house steps every day, Monday through Friday, from 9:00am to 4:30pm, rain or shine. There were the free lancers around the Patco Line and the bus station. And there regulars who worked the lanes of travel between the campus and the University Parking Lot.

Now, first off, one quickly learns that panhandlers put as much effort into panhandling as anyone does for a regular job. It has been estimated that a panhandler can make $1,000.00 a day, cash, working the streets around the office towers in Newark. That's not my number, btw, but the wife of an attorney I know who has her own immigration services business, and has the opportunity to see the financial resources of the "homeless" when they want to wire money or get a visa.

THE WORST experience I had was with a particularly talented panhandler in Camden, who was a great actor and who had a great line down: A plaintive plea for money to get his car towed. He was a well spoken, well groomed black man who was entirely believable, right down to the black grease on his hands from trying to change his flat tire. I fell for the act the first time. Then I learned it was an act by running into the guy again and again, with the same line.

But what made this guy the worst for me was not his hustle routine, but the time that I ran into him with a bunch of "friends" coming back from Philadelphia. Such was their white guilt that even with me TELLING them that this guy was a scam artist, they STILL gave him money anyway.
OH, and needless to say, the fact that this guy kept trying to scam me just said to me that to this guy, all whites must look alike to him!

Seeing my so-called friends choose to believe the panhandler rather than to believe me when I recounted my prior run ins with this scam artist was the worst experience for me. It showed me how strong white guilt can be, and how impervious liberal "feelings" are to facts.

Never forget that to be homeless in this country, you've got to really work at it to get that way. You've got to have chosen to stay drug involved to the point that you get kicked out of city shelters.

You have to really work at it to go hungry in this country. You have to ignore or refuse countless government and private charity sources for food, from WIC to foodstamps to "government cheese" to the local food bank.

If someone panhandles you, you can be safe and secure in the knowledge that the panhandler has chosen that way of life to make money, and they are scamming you. And I say that as someone who chose to live in one of the worst ghettos of the nation for four years and observed how panhandlers work up close.

Panhandler Problem
Currently I live in Columbus Ohio, however, for a year I called Chicago "home". Panhandlers there are a tremendous problem for those who work anywhere near Michigan Avenue or the Loop. Although some of the responses in this column are funny, as a veteran Law Enforcement Officer, I can tell you that engaging these people can be very dangerous. To smart off to them could potentially start a confrontation that you don't want. You're fighting with someone who has nothing to lose. Conversely, ignoring them can be just as big of a problem as I have seen people attacked verbally and once physically for doing that too. My advice is to do this:

One - Educate yourself - These people don't hang out in certain areas and do frequent others for a reason - know where they are, know what they look like.

Two - Hang up your cell phone and pay attention. Scan a block ahead - if you see someone who looks sketchy, cross the street or duck into a building and wait them out.

Three - Walk in groups. If you're alone, either invest in a cab, or, ask a group of people if you can walk with them for safety due to being alone.

If you're confronted by a panhandler, begin by treating them like a human being. Be calm and polite, and by all means do NOT give them money. They will come to expect it - they will remember you and when you refuse them in the future, they may turn violent. Get away from them quickly, but do not panic. If they escalate the situation, duck into ANY business you can, or use your cell phone while walking away and call 9-1-1 immediately. The best way to avoid this situation is to be very educated about your surroundings and very aware of these people.

Incidentally, panhandlers don't always drive cardboard RV's around. I have been panhandled by a guy in a new minivan wearing Dockers and a sweater.

If you're going to a new or strange city, check with your hotel, friends or family with whom you'll be staying and find out the places to avoid.

Although this column was entertaining, the advice contained within could be just the thing to get you assaulted or worse.

BigDaddy
Amen, Brother.

Jesus Says Otherwise
"Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you."
—Matthew 5:38-42, NIV


Nice work if you can get it....
I spent 15 months in Tucson several years ago. The city makes panhandlers wear orange reflective vests so they stand out quite well. I'm not sure now if that is so you can avoid them or find them.
One fellow who was a dead ringer for David Spade would sit every rush hour at I10 and Valencia with his dog. His sign read "need food for Rover". Laughed my butt off one morning when the driver's window of the car in front of me opened and out flew a brand new bag of Purina Dog Chow. I stopped laughing that afternoon when I was getting my mail out of the communal hive of mailboxes in my brand new neighborhood. Up rolled a new Mazda RX-7 and out popped the David Spade look-alike who proceeded to open his mailbox. The guy made enough money panhandling to purchase a house with swimming pool and a new car! Made me wonder why I went to college.

Panhandlers are segregated
I find that the race of panhandlers varies from neighborhood to neighborhood. Most of the time I see white panhandlers, even when driving through the Barrio.

Usually they hang out on major corners near large churches, and have a sign. Some times it will have "God Bless You" written like an after thought, when they realize that Christians will feel guilty and give them drug money if they see that.

There is one guy who has taken to walking between the cars at a busy intersection with his hand out. I figured that he was making about $40.00 an hour doing that.

So I asked him if he was paying taxes on that money?

He just stared at me in a drug-induced stupor.

There is one guy that invested in a wheel chair. He puts it up on top of the center divider, next to the turn lane on a major street, near a mega-church in Pasadena and sits in it, his legs looking very strong and useful.

I have often wanted to ask him, if he was really handicapped, how did he put his wheelchair up that 9" curb? And if he is strong enough to do that, why does he need a wheelchair? Of course, it gives him a comfortable seat as he collects his "toll."

My favorite panhandler was the guy out in Coulton who sat with a sign that said: "Why Lie: I Need A Beer!"

I came close to giving him a dollar for his honesty.

Close, but no dollar.

PANHANDLERS/HOMELESS
All of this invective doesn’t get rid of the problem of panhandlers, beggers, and the general homeless. This problem has been around for all of eternity but has been exacerbated in the US by the liberals. A large percentage of the homeless beggers out there were turned out of the mental institutions. These institutions no longer take in the types that were turned out. These people were turned out at the urging of the liberals who thought placing them in the institution was demeaning and took away their liberties. Social problems like this are what I apply my 150 year rule to (used to be 100 yr rule but I’m getting older now). What would the cities and towns of 150 years ago do with this problem. The answer is --- arrest them, put them in a wagon, carry them out of town and dump them far enough away that they could not come back. The people who were clinically not able to take care of themselves were generally looked after by their family or relatives. People now think the government should take care of everyone from cradle to grave.

As far as the telemarketers go, there is one excellent solution. Get rid of your hard line phone. My wife and I both have cell phones and we got another unsolicited phone call from a charity we had contributed to in the past. I asked her “What the h**ll do we need this phone for? We got rid of the hard line phone and haven’t had a call since.

RE: John
"Needlessly offensive"?

What's more offensive:

Telling some lazy bum to get off his fat buttocks and get a job, or making believe some other guy is so stupid that he'll actually believe that you're going to use the change that you dupe him out of for something other than a bottle of cheap whiskey?

Kimberly
How much of your milk money do you donate to supporting your local crackheads/alcoholics/bums? There are several agencies around that give a helping hand to these folks, just not crack and alcohol.

amelia
amelia writes: Wednesday, January, 17, 2007 10:22 AM
"Panhandlers
Most panhandlers are, without any doubt,
(a) mentally ill...
(b) addicts...
(c) con men...
Support your favorite local charities, be courteously brief in your telemarketer refusals, and maybe, even, if you're feeling particularly beneficient, smile at the bum when you say, "Not today, thanks." It hardly hurts at all, once you get used to it."
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I don't know where you live, but most of the panhandlers I see around here are definately drug addicts, and therefore dangerous.

I do see homeless shopping-cart people who look mentally ill, but I have NEVER seen them begging. I think that they are usually satisfied with the help from churches and food kitchens.

There was one panhandler who hangs out in a busy area in Los Angeles. One day I saw him lying on the sidewalk, stoned out of his mind, with his pants unzipped, pleasuring himself in front of a large apartment building.

If no one had encouraged him to hang out there by giving him money, he would have gone elsewhere, and I wouldn't have had to run past him.

I think it is time to use good judgement and distinguish between people who really need and deserve our help, and people who are dangerous addicts.

Every time you give addicts money, you are enabling their habit, and although you may feel good about yourself because you think you "helped" someone.

It is a better use of that dollar to give it to the Salvation Army, and then tell the bum that you contributed to him by giving there.

Rich
Never fished from one of those boats you refered to. Done it from the bank and from a row boat. You are refering to a specific kind of BOAT. I was refering to a LOCATION. Nice to know you have strong feelings.

Vic-Telemarketers and Cellphones
Don't get too comfortable. Telemarketers on cellphones are on their way.

I have already gotten one call on my cellphone.

There is also a move under way to text message you commercials.

Charming.

Rich
On second reading, I find that I was incorrect. You were refering to the operator of the boat. I have to agree with you that some of the OPERATORS act like a word similar to Bass-Hole.

Sorry for the confusion, but my point remains the same.

Mike
MA: "In fact, I’ve been waging my own personal war on panhandlers for months now."

Why does everything have to be "personal" with you? And why is everything a "war"? A REAL war is when people actually shoot at each other and are in actual danger.

MA: "Since I’ve gotten pretty good at it, I’ve decided to share a dozen or so of my best responses to panhandlers."

I dont agree at ALL. Fact is, from your responses, I would say your attitudes are downright UNChristian. Perhaps that IS part of "YOUR problem." You THINK you are "good at" this kind of stuff. But this doesnt strike me at all.

MA: "Hopefully, they will help you to avoid unpleasant encounters."

When someone comes up and says "Please Sir.." and I respond as YOU suggest, I am actually CREATING an "unpleasant encounter." Also, because I am in a (relative) position of power, I am being a bully. Why not simply continue on your way and ignore the situation at the very least?

MA: "Don’t you recognize me? Oh, I get it – you think all white people look alike. You’re a (rhymes with “bucking”) racist!”"

I dont think this is in the least bit funny. Fact is, if a poster had posted this, it would probably have been flagged as offensive. And getting round the TH language standards by the "rhyming" thing is JUST as offensive as if you used the particular word which rhymes, because you are advocating that.

MSA: “I’m sorry but I’m just too niggardly in my use of spare change.

Again, Mike, you are DELIBERATELY playing on a word because it "rhymes" with another which is simply not acceptable in ANY society today. Although I take that back. Maybe it is in the KKK or some such.

My concluding comment. I NEVER thought I would find myself sympathetic to Kimberly's sentiments. But I am. You once wrote a BRILLIANT piece on meeting a military veteran in a car park. A piece which moved me so much I said I would never criticise you again.

Sorry, Mike. I have gone back on my word. You have a natural gift. God-given. This is NOT putting that gift to its best use. In what way does this advance the Christian message? If anything, it does the opposite. In what way does it advance the Conservative message?

If anything it shows a degree of insensitivity which plays into the hands of those on the left who would characterise the Right as truly hard- hearted. Nor can you characterise your rudeness to these people as "tough love" as when you lay down high standards for your students and make them live up to them.

Your columns have become ALL about YOU, Mike, and the message is getting lost. You are quick-witted, intelligent, and have a gift which you are not using. I really do think you need time off. Maybe, even now, you are reading over this column, and already regretting you posted it. I hope so.


wiseone
If you read James Taranto's "Best of the Web" column you'd see that he references a quote from another writer (Mark Steyn?) where this writer says something to the effect that once Bush takes office the "Homeless Problem" will return. So anytime there is an article about the homeless, James uses that quote again. Which happened about once a week for quite a while but has been less frequent lately.

Panhandlers
For the Christmas Holidays, I purchased 4 bicyles to be given to the Salvation Army to distribute to needy children. The bicycles were in separate boxes and needed to be transported from my vehicle to the Salvation Army building. Going into the building to seek help, I passed by many men sitting on benches, smoking and just wandering around. I spoke to the individual at the desk and presented my problem. He replied that there was no-one working at the Salvation Army that could assist me at that time. I replied, "Never mind, there are many men standing and sitting around outside that could help." He replied,"No, we can't do that". I replied, "Why not?" He replied, "The Government will not permit us to have those that come here for assistance do any work."

A Raving Ramble
My first response is:
You're a college professor?? And you get equal billing with George Will??? Andrew Dice Clay, maybe just barely, but George Will??!!

That's not fair, though, I'd be judging the whole person by one article. But just to let you know, that's the kind of vibe this article gives off. For instance, your last use of the word "niggardly", although it simply means "stingy" and is indeed apparently unrelated to the more "stinging" "N-word", really comes off as though you really want to work in the other word and all the sting that comes with it. You may not be a racist, but it comes off sounding like you still haven't quite figured out the boundary where KKK influences end and halfway reasonable conservatism begins.

Am I being PC? Maybe, but actually I don't want to shout you down. If that's what you think, I'd rather hear you say it, so we can react and debate it. My take on what conservatives call the "PC movement" is that certain words -- and ideas -- do indeed become loaded with baggage to the point that they hurt people by their repetition. So, yeah, better to not say them, if you care about people's feelings or maintaining a civil society. But if somebody does say them, let's talk about it. And sure, sometimes its hard to tell what the line is, who gets to draw the line, or if the line has gone too far so that you can't speak English without offending somebody. So maybe the PC-breaker wins the debate sometimes. In this case, though, I actually think you pushed the pun a little far. But I don't think we should shout you down or stone you in the street, or criminalize your boorishness. Or mine, for that matter, since I'm probably being boorish right now. Not to mention the word "boorish" probably sounds a bit hoity toity for you, and makes you feel as though you're surrounded by liberal professors. But that just goes to show that conservatives have their own brand of "PC".

Ultimately, I'd actually like to see us all able to debate stuff while being impervious to the slings and arrows of semi-clever insults, badly chosen words and wrongheaded (there I go again) ideas. But until we get to that point, it's important to realize that words are still weapons. I'm probably throwing a few jabs myself right now, folks, but just to try wake this guy up a little bit. But hey, we're all people here, and hopefully we take off the gloves at the end of the fight and buy each other a drink. Well, a virtual drink, since we're probably in different states right now. Or instead of being all bougie we could consider buying a sandwich for a homeless person. Actually, Mike, you may have done a service for the homeless here; I'll bet a few people buy them a sandwich after reading this discussion!

As for panhandlers, yeah they can try your patience and some of them are going to smoke your money. But for the most part, they are troubled people, as others have eloquently spoken about, either addicted, mentally ill, or the victims of some really bad breaks. If we want fewer of them on the streets, we've got to create (even) more good breaks in this country and/or give them some place else to go. If you want to give them money, give them money. If you want to avoid them, cross the street. You think you have some actually helpful advice? Fine, give it to them. I once gave a buck to a well-fed looking kid I didn't know who said "Give me a dollar, I'm hungry." I was so shocked, I just forked it over. In that one case, I actually kind of wished I'd said "Go ask your mother." It might have helped him more at that early juncture, but then again, I don't know his story, even though I might think I've guessed it.

But if you just want to feel clever by hating on somebody, pick on somebody your own strength.

JimmyJoe- Personal?
JimmyJoe writes: Wednesday, January, 17, 2007 11:43 AM
'Mike
MA: "In fact, I’ve been waging my own personal war on panhandlers for months now."

Why does everything have to be "personal" with you? And why is everything a "war"? A REAL war is when people actually shoot at each other and are in actual danger.'
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Personal?

I considered it personal when a young & healthy-looking (albeit stoned) guy stuck his hand in my face in Old Town Pasadena on a Saturday night.

I told him to "get a job;" and he followed me down the street shouting at me like a New York waiter stiffed of his tip.

I took that personally.

I take it perosnally when someone approaches me at the ATM, or blocks my path to the parking lot, or uninates in doorways & stairwells (although they could have been smoking crack, since it smells the same).

I took it personally when I called the police after a group of three large men tried to shake me down for money, because the receptionist refused to take a report. Apparently they would have had to actually mug me before the police will do anything. In fact, she gave me a lecture, because the LAPD has become so PC that citizens are the enemy and the criminals are the protected class.

What ever happened to laws against vagrancy?

The ACLU happened.

And if any of you Lefties wonder about our hostility to panhandlers, this is what is motivating it.


Keen wit and sarcasm
I read all the responses and have come to these conclusions : Mike Adams is a VERY funny fellow and liberals have no sense of humor.

I doubt
very much that Prof Adams would *really* do the things he says-it sounds to me more like what he'd *like* to do, if he weren't a nicer guy. No doubt those who understand the frustration these professional beggars cause know just how he feels. We don't have a huge problem with hobos here in our town, though they tend to lounge in the pavilions set up along the sidewalks on Main Street. When younger, I remember buying a bum a meal; he was grateful, but also, as I later found out, a regular in that part of town. Well, for all that, I don't consider it a wasted gesture, though I haven't done it since. I much prefer to give my money to the SA kettle at Christmas, the Veterans on Memorial Day when they hand out red poppies (though that's now discontinued in our town) and to my church and its food bank.

Telemarketers: I simply and politely tell them that I never do business over the phone, and hang up.

Note to TQ: Be careful about staging a fight with your wife with the phone off the hook and the telemarketer listening in-you may have the police at your door.

More about taking panhandling personally

I am also taking it personally when the LAPD braggs that crime is "down" in Los Angeles, when the real cause of that bogus statistic is the fact that the police are refusing to take reports.

I also take it personally when the pro-criminal crowd still badgers the police no matter how PC they become.

This is why I am so ademant about standing up to the social engineers. If we wait until the situation is completely intolerable, it will be too late to retreive American culture.

I have had a pan-handler become a mugger
When I was in Junior High School I refused to give money to a panhandler in a bus station. He (a black youth) followed me into the restroom and pulled a knife on me. I gave him ten bucks and called the Police after he left. They tried to accuse me of trying to buy drugs from him.
I told the cop that I did not use drugs and would not be afraid to take a test. My bus finally arrived and I have not ridden a Greyhound since.
I am not rude to panhandlers even though they are often fakes. I offer to buy them food and they leave.
As for Telemarketers, my wife was one for a while. We always politely tell them that we are not interested in whatever they are selling. we also ask the name of their company, as we are on the nationwide do not call list.
They usually hang up.
My wife offers to listen to their spiel if they promise to listen to hers. Once they get through babbling about whatever super dooper widget they are trying to sell, she tells them that Jesus died for their sins, and that if they simply ask God for forgiveness, and accept Jesus as their savior, then they would know they were on their way to heaven. Most say OK, and hang up. Some actually say they will consider it, and thank her for her time.
We are Christians and are not rude. That just would not be like us. If we offer them food and they turn it down, we have proven them to be liars. If the have a will work for food sign, I offer them yard work. They refuse it.
The Bible never encouraged anyone to supply a drug addict or alcoholic with more drugs or alcohol. It says "feed the hungry". If they do not want food, you are in the clear.
If a telemarketer called me and I didn't want to talk, I might tell them I would consider buying what they were selling, if they would join my Amway downline. LOL

Sorry, I gave at the office...
and at church. Generously. And tossed a few bucks in the Salvation Army kettle at Christmas.

I don't give money -- or food--- to beggars, no matter how needy or deserving they may seem, because I know it's not the long-term help they need, nor the short-term help they say they need. A meal for today is available at the local food pantry, soup kitchen, or emergency aid office, to all of which I contribute. Meals for a lifetime are available through government agencies, job-training programs, county mental health departments, and personal initiative. These are not well-kept secrets.

What I also refuse to give, is pointless insults and rude, smart-alec sermons to total strangers. Not because it insults the target audience,though it does, not because it places me in some degree of danger, though it might, but because it surely diminishes me. It wouldn't help, and I'd just sound petty, immature, and tacky. That would embarrass me.

I'm also embarrassed when a presumably well-educated person thinks he's being funny when he insults, or threatens when he can do so with impunity, i.e., those he sees as powerless. Mike's got a gun, he brags, whoopie-do, and they don't. Nyah, nyah. Easy to be nasty when you're carrying, right, Mike? Mike's got tenure and his students mere tuition-payers and column-fodder. Sneeeer. Mike's way out of reach, behind his syndicated column, so his writing can be as self-aggrandizing and low-class as he likes, without much worry that somebody will be irritated enough to poke him in the nose for his troubles.

When I was growing up, we called people who acted like that. 'bullies', and we were always astonished how much better bullies behaved when the teacher was watching. Bet Mr. Adams isn't quite so quick with the ugly remarks when his preacher's along for the walk. We call those people 'hypocrites.'


I remember a talk-show host named
Rich Buhler, who used to say that he was in the habit of buying hamburgers for the bums (my word, not his) instead of money, because he wanted to be sure they weren't buying drugs.

Many of them refused the food, and some would inspect inside the burger to be sure there weren't any pickles.

I have offered a sandwich to a "homeless" person myself, and she got angry that I would do such a demeaning thing as give her food.

I can guarantee you these people are not without food, and they are looking for money to support their habit.

The exceptions are already in the plentiful shelters, which are usually empty, unless it is freezing outside.

seriously folks
How pathetic can this get? This isn’t politics or social commentary. It’s just some guy gloating about being a smart aleck. This goes deeper than whether it’s good or bad to be a smart aleck. I believe what we are seeing is Dr. Adam’s true character. Ask yourself what the point of this article is. At best, it doesn’t speak well of Mike. Sure, it fostered a good debate, but almost anything does at TH. When you figure this one in with all the recent articles, you will notice a trend of pettiness that’s getting worse.

All the more reason
to bring back the CCC.

All homeless and welfare recipients can WORK for their money rebuilding roads, bridges, picking up trash, sweeping streets, string barbed wire along the borders and laying mines, and any other scut work.

Gee, making people WORK for their money, what a novel concept.

Mountain Rose
I really dont know what your beef is with me on this issue. First, I was addressing Mike Adams - NOT you. He was referring to his "own personal war." And I am sick and tired of the word "war" being used in politics and on drugs and so on where it's meaning is lost. "War" is when two ARMIES line up on opposite sides and SHOOT at each other!

In addition, I was referring to Mike's tendency -particularly of late - to make himSELF the main subject of HIS OWN articles. I was NOT referring to anything in YOUR life - personal or otherwise, so I think your rant at me is completely beside the point.

I dont just "think" it is. It just IS. Nor do I think Mike's advice on how to deal with panhandling would make the situations you described safer. As I pointed out, they are very likely to have the opposite effect. Imagine calling one of these people a "rhymes with buckin' racist"!!!!!!!!!

Given that you are addressing me specifically, I must logically assume that your final paragraph is also addressed to me in which you refer to me as a "leftie." Mountain Rose, I have read many of your posts, and your over-use of that term does you no good. Nor does it do any good referring to "lefties" and making silly generalizations about "them."

As for me being a "leftie" - completely and utterly UNTRUE. And most offensive indeed, considering what you believe "lefties" stand for. I would appreciate your withdrawing that statement in your next post. I am to the right of the VAST bulk of the Republican party on practically every issue I can think of.

Smart Alec or Racist?
While I agree that the overwhelming number of panhandlers are folk that could work and they are a pain in the fourth point of contact the comments are more racist than smart alec - one thing I would like to pose to the to holy rollers that post here and on other pages - Would Jesus Christ turn down a panhandler? I think not - that does not mean that you should empty your pockets for one but it does mean that the smart alec remarks are over the top - just say no and keep walking - or as I have on several occasions when asked for money for food - offer to take them to the nearest McDonalds or be like the lady on the New York subway that pulled out a sandwich and offered it to the guy - he politely said thanked her and asked her what was in it then took off for the next car – maybe he was Jewish or Muslim and could not eat ham – whatever

bums
For those of you poo pooing the article, I take it you have never been harassed DAILY by bums begging you for money, using their kids to beg etc.

I for one, am sick and tired of people begging money. There are a whole lot who are not homeless, they just don't want to work. What kills me is seeing one begging for money and talking on a friggin CELL PHONE. Nope, not getting my money!

Portland has a large amount of beggars. And there are plenty who are nasty if you say no. I take offense to being called vulgar names when I choose to NOT give my hard earned money to some loser.

They play on people's sympathies. They manipulate. They are low-lifes.

Homeless people can go to soup kitchens and shelters, there are programs to help them get on their feet.

Begging is a loser lifestyle. Period.

KJV
Thank God even for the normies for some of them understand

WWJD
WWJD

amelia - who is powerless?
I am often smaller and weaker than the men who try to shake me down for money.

I do try to hurry past them, but I am really fed up that the police now allow them to be stoned and panhandling in public.

Standing up to them often makes them back down, as with all bullies.

Yes bullys!

I often find these people nasty and aggressive, feeling entitled to the contents of my pocketbook.

I think you have a naive notion that these people are like the Little Match Girl. The Little Match Girls of the world are being cared for, receiving priority in the shelters, and they would not receive harsh treatment from anyone who is complaining about vagrants.

If enough people are unpleasant to them, perhaps they will find another corner and leave me alone.

EZ
A funny fellow indeed - his next article will probably deal with kicking dogs that dump on his lawn - you don't have to be a liberal or a conservative to be a mean spirited person - sarcasm is the absolutely worst trait a person can have - if you have it you should stive to lose it

To sardine101
I prefer to shoot dogs that dump on my lawn.

not his funniest
I believe in kicking a man while he's down, and giving him some incentive to rise up. Anybody ever considered that the young men that beat up homeless people are performing a public service?

Yeah, thats wrong, but funny. I can only imagine what kind of facial contortions you namby-pamby liberals are making now.

Jimmy Joe - here is my statement
pasted below, in context.

*********************************************
"What ever happened to laws against vagrancy?

The ACLU happened.

And if any of you Lefties wonder about our hostility to panhandlers, this is what is motivating it."
*********************************************

I think I was referring to the ACLU and their ilk as Lefties. I hope you would consider them Leftists!

I can see how you had the impression that I was calling you a Leftie, but if you are not one, then I was not adressing you.

But there are also many people who call themselves conservatives, and hold Leftist positions, such as the "decriminalization" of prostitution and drugs. They are usually Libertarians, who are fiscally conservatives but socially liberal. I consider such people to be only partially conservative.

Regarding the use of the word "war," we do have a war on our hands here in Los Angeles between law & order and the anti-law & order crowd, and the side of crime and disorder seem to be winning.

So I do take these things personally, and if we complain about these things by using satire, then I think that is our right.

And if I am ranting, so are you!

Colosteve
Thanks for the tip.

I have been wondering where all of the "homeless" stories have been since Bush took office. I realize now that I became so disgusted with the MSM coverage of the Florida 2000 aftermath that I stopped reading/watching/listening to them.

So now Coulter's theory has been confirmed by Steyn. Another item Coulter pointed out in "Slander" is that one reason conservative authors outsell liberal authors is because consevatives read and apparently liberals don't.

jcthomasva - Hehehehehehe!
I am picturing how your post is going to inspire many more rants!

LOL!

The Great Patriot- WWJD?
What would Jesus do?
He would say, "go thy way and sin no more."

What would the Apostle Paul say?
He who doesn't work, doesn't eat.

Where charity begins
I truly believe everyone has at least two identities: there's the public one, in which we speak politely, and there's the private one, the identity in our heads, where we may be less polite. When I'm driving home at about 45 mph and a big white Lincoln Town Car comes barreling out to cut me off and then proceeds to drive 25 mph, what goes through my head is not appropriate to print in this space. (Imagine it, if you will, as a series of "at" signs, exclamation points, ampersands and asterisks.) But if I later came face to face with this driver at the grocery store, even if I recognized his Town Car, I would not use this language to his face. I would not do anything more than smile and say "good-morning." I might daydream about telling him off, about saying something like, "Maybe you should start taking the bus," but I wouldn't say it. I hope I wouldn't. I pray to God I wouldn't.

I agree with the poster who asserted that these comebacks are things Dr. Adams might LIKE to say and may daydream about saying, but wouldn't actually say, because he's not quite ready to jettison the rules of civility altogether. But aren't there times when the less-than-civil words running through our own heads aren't too far removed from the snarky ripostes Dr. Adams offers here?

Let's face it: panhandlers make us feel bad. That's what they want to do. If they can make us feel ashamed of our impulse to drive on by and keep what we have to ourselves, they're likely to get what they want (i.e. cash from us). And they remind us of a problem we can't cure with a $5 bill. When our less pleasant feelings are aroused, snark offers a defense mechanism. But snark isn't the reason why we should be wary of giving our change to panhandlers.

The bottom line is that we don't KNOW the story of a man who stands on the side of the road wearing a desperate, pitiful expression and carrying a scrawled plea for cash. He might be the con artist who actually owns three Townhomes; he might be the drug addict in need of a fix; he might be a just-released mental patient; or he might be a Vietnam vet with PTSD. The latter two situations would rouse my compassion whereas the former two would not, but we don't KNOW. We can't know. Therefore, we don't know if that five-dollar bill, while it's clearly what he really wants, is what he really needs.

That's why church offerings and organized charities are the best methods of doing something about the problem of poverty. At least in these cases, you're a little more certain about the specific situations you're getting involved in, as well as about where your time and money are really going. Churches and civic clubs offer opportunities galore to take constructive action against poverty. The next time your church has a "Christmas Gifts for a Family in Need," contribute. (I like to contribute children's books. If the children grow up as readers, they might find ways to break out of that cycle of poverty.) Then you have the best ammunition against the guilt that panhandlers like to evoke: "I'm already doing something."

As for telemarketers, I've taken to letting my machine take most of my calls. My message includes the statement, "I do not accept telephone solicitations of any kind at this number." If the voice that follows the message is one I recognize, I pick up the phone. But most of the time, telemarketers don't leave messages on machines. If they do, I find they're easy to ignore.

Miss the point much?
Oh, dear, Ms. Rose. How can I explain this? I'll try to say it one more time, in words of one syllable.

1. Do not give cash to bums.

2. Do not feed the bums.

3. Say no, but do not stop to talk, as it may not be safe. Cross the street if you must.

3. If you want to help, give where you can do some good.

4. Don't be rude. There is just no call for that.


There. That's as simple as I know how to make it. Rudeness and gratuitous sarcasm is not funny, it isn't at all effective, it makes the speaker look boorish, and it may make the mendicants more aggressive, as people, especially those whose judgment is already impaired often return ugliness with more ugliness. Not good. If you are threatened, don't hesitate. Call 911 with a complaint - while you're leaving the scene quickly.

Got that? Two more one-syllable words you may have heard when you were growing up: Be nice. Not a sucker, not a bleeding heart, not a proselytizer, just common decency. It's not hard to smile when you say no, and to ignore any further contact as you pick up your pace.

Oh, and one more thing:
"Niggardly" is not a racial slur. It's a synonym for "miserly." People's mis-identification of it as a racist term is a symptom of our shrinking vocabulary -- a problem that could easily be solved by reading more books.

Vagrancy
Mountain Rose,

Cities (like Chicago) that try to enforce anti-vagrancy and anti-loitering ordinances run afoul of bleeding heart liberals.

In Chicago bums will "sell" you a weekly newsletter called "Streetwise" for a dollar. "Streetwise" is printed by some bleeding hearts because Mayor Daley (a Democrat) got tired of the complaints about what a nuisance these bums were and began arresting them for loitering. The bleeding hearts have lawyers who knew that if you are a peddler you're not loitering but you need a peddler's license, EXCEPT if you are peddling a "newspaper". Laws requiring licenses to sell "news" are deemed to restrict free speech and thus violate the Constitution.

I once saw a bleeding heart in downtown Chicago "buy" a copy of "Streetwise" from a bum and then the bum asked her to let him keep it because it was his last copy and he wouldn't be allowed to "sell" any more of them if she actually took it. Naturally she agreed, since she didn't want to read it anyway.

So Pamela
When I refuse to give a bum a dollar it is me, the probable racist (unless the bum is white), who is niggardly, not the bum.

Are the bleeding hearts aware of this?

Pamela
Your little essay reminds me of a Sherlock Holmes short story, "The Man with the Twisted Lip," in which a missing businessman of means is found and exposed for moonlighting as a beggar.

Sardine 101
Nuff said...I rest my case.yuo've proved my statement.

Mountain Rose
MR: "I think I was referring to the ACLU and their ilk as Lefties."

No, Mountain Rose. I'm afraid this wont do. And I'm afraid you are being disingenous. It is obvious from the context that you are making a SIDE-reference to the ACLU, but actually addressing ME.

The post is TO "JimmyJoe" and in the last paragraph you refer to "you Lefties" - the obvious implication being that you consider the one you are addressing as one. Instead of just "seeing" how I would have drawn that conclusion, you should have withdrawn the comment.

Additionally, you fail to address the fact that my post was SPECIFICALLY addressed to MIKE ADAMS, so ANY personal stuff that happened to YOU was completely IRrelevant to what I had to say. And so you were "ranting." And if you were ranting, I wasNT. Sorry.

Pamela
Pamela: ""Niggardly" is not a racial slur. It's a synonym for "miserly." People's mis-identification of it as a racist term is a symptom of our shrinking vocabulary -- a problem that could easily be solved by reading more books."

Yes - we KNOW this. However, in the context of Mike's article, which he opens by defending the use of this word, and goes on to make a point about using a word that rhymes with "bucking" - and then closes by the deliberate use of a word which rhymes with the n-word, YOU have missed the point, not those who disapprove of his use of this word in this context.

Your previous post was superb.

Lydia-- Slavery/Panhandlers
Lydia, your post (at January, 17, 2007 9:05 AM) was amazing. IMHO, it redeemed today's rather strange choice of subjectmater. Thank you.

(Well, Verbivore's link came close, but I'd already sprayed my computer on that one months ago.)

Corporate panhandlers
How tragic that these good compassionate conservative Christians aren't as tough on the corporate pandhandlers who approach them with a politician and a "sheriff" with a gun and badge panhandling for some another military boondoggle. "Hey mister...please, purtyplease, give me $300 to $400 billion for some Star Wars hardware."

Nevermind that these corporate pandhandlers have lied and deceived the taxpayer that the money will be well-spent or the fact that they have lied and falsified the tests and even been found in court to have cheated.

It is instructive, to say the least, to read the comments of so many compassionate conservative Christians.

As Bush's favorite philosopher said, "as you have done it to the least of these, so have you done it to me."

jcthomasva
J: "I believe in kicking a man while he's down, and giving him some incentive to rise up. Anybody ever considered that the young men that beat up homeless people are performing a public service?

Yeah, thats wrong, but funny. I can only imagine what kind of facial contortions you namby-pamby liberals are making now."

Well, I am afraid you are just name-calling now. I doubt there are many "namby-pamby liberals" even reading this. As for their "facial contortions"? Probably at most, a case of a little eye-rolling that ANYone would post something so.... stupid?

sardine101
I keep a pellet rifle handy to nail a dog when they're crapping on my lawn. See, there are these things are LEASH LAWS and these other things called fences. If SOMEONE ELSE's dog gets out, why do I have to pick up their sh*t?

Believe it or not, you CAN teach an old dog new tricks. A few hits (and I don't miss) from Miss Daisy, and they don't come back!

gamecock1969
1969: "It is instructive, to say the least, to read the comments of so many compassionate conservative Christians."

Game, set and match to you, Sir. This has to be the single MOST thought-provoking comment I have read all day. In the context of your post, I have to add my despair at the Federal Government's "generosity" with BILLIONS of dollars to the agricultural industry and a whole host of other special interests which seem to never raise the ire of those who should be up in arms (NOT literally!) of those who seem to get really uptight about being asked for a SINGLE dollar on the side of the street.

For the most part, these people ARE down, for whatever reason, and whether these reasons are self-inflicted or not, the poor deserve our compassion. How this plays out is a different thing.

I dont believe in encouraging this behavior by giving directly to them, NOR do I believe in gratiously INSULTING them for my own or for others "entertainment."


Not your best work Doc...
...for some of the reasons that have already been detailed by others here (and with whom I would rarely ever agree on other issues normally).

That said, I agree with your assessment that these bums (yes, BUMS!) are a plague on society and need to be run off by the law, whenever and where ever they are encountered.

One of my favorite responses (not recommended for women though) is to say "No. How 'bout a smoke though." Invariably, they say "Sure". "Here, let me light that for you." And then, while I am standing close in their personal space with my lighter to their cig, I say in the most pleasant voice I can muster while making direct eye contact- "I hope you have a pleasant rest of the day. But tomorrow, if you see me, you better turn and run the other way, cause if I catch you hitting up anyone else again, I'll have you taken off the street. Now you take care now."

Was going through...
...Austin one afternoon here awhile back and at the I-35/183 intersection there was an old boy under the bridge holding up the standard Having Hard Times sign and yakking it up on a cell phone.

One I didn't see myself but a buddy told me about was a fellow begging at an intersection with a sign and a leash attached to an empty dog collar. Sign had originally read "Dog and I haven't eaten in 3 days", but the words "Dog and" had been crossed through and the "for 3 days" crossed out and changed to "since yesterday". Sign now read "I haven't eaten since yesterday".

my 2 cents
Telemarketers - at least they are trying to do something. Just say "no thank you" and hang up. Or just hang up. Is that so difficult? No one would take a job as a telemarketer unless he or she was desperate and you people are swapping ideas on making their lives even worse. You should be very proud.

Panhandlers - Try walking a mile in their shoes before you come down on them like you do. Try a little Christian charity - is that asking too much?

Finally - if there are any dems out there looking for examples of cruel republicans, etc. they need go no further than this column. This is pathetic. A lot of you should be ashamed of yourselves. You call yourselves Christians?


1 more thing
In a previous post to adama about this column I said he had screwed the pooch with this one and had negated a lot of the good he did with other columns. I further said that this was not funny, not even close.

I repeat that. He should be ashamed of himself.

Mountain Rose
Not to worry "WE" understand what you're trying to say...Be the better person and just ignore the hostilities.
I was under the impression that this blog was to express opinions not always agreeable with everyone without being attacked.
I have read your comments from previous columns
and find you to be quite compassionate and very
understanding. Keep up the good work.
Other people should learn to control their anger and negative emotions.

My take on homeless
My grandmother was a social worker. She told me that homeless people were homeless by choice. She told me this when I was in college and thought I knew everything. I was a liberal at the time. Later in life, I got a law degree. I represented indigent criminals, and volunteered to do pro bono work for poor elderly. I found out just what kind of people these are. They expect everything to be given to them, they have no gratitude, and they will lodge a complaint against you for not serving them fast enough faster than you can say "told you so". So now, when I see homeless and they ask me for money, I either reply, "sorry, I have no money either", or "Get a job". It depends on how safe I feel. I would prefer to say "Get a job" to all of them. Oh, and by the way, after I represented those low lifes, I became a prosecutor and took particular pleasure in cleaning the streets of drug users and drug dealers. Our crime rate fell dramatically. I hate people who steal with a passion. Drug users steal from their own loved ones and break their hearts. When someone steals from me, I think about all the hours I had to work at a job I didn't like to pay for that item, and some loser takes it in an instant. That infuriates me. I say, put 'em all in jail. It won't fix them, but it keeps them from bothering anyone else while they are in there. And if that's all we can do, then it's enough. So much for the liberals' search "for root causes". Look in the mirror and observe human nature. God says we are all sinners. Some of us try to walk the straight and narrow. The rest don't try at all. They just take advantage of the goodness of others. The only thing that keeps me going is the belief that they will ultimately get justice from God, and they won't like it one bit!

Handling pan handlers - Part II
For women, and more timid men, I recommend the the "enlightened feminist approach" to clearing our streets of unwelcome bums. When accosted, simply find or call the police, and report that a pan handler was threatening you.

In the eyes of the enlightened liberal (and in particular, feminists), this should be accepted as an unimpeachable truth when uttered by anyone, since constructs such as harrassment are determined solely by the way they are interpreted by the "victim," without regard to intent or commonsense standards of reasonability or proof.

blondeinpitsburgh
Mountain Rose isnt being "attacked"... In my particular case, she is being asked to withdraw a remark I find unwarranted, unprovoked and unjustified.

As to how "compassionate" she or anyone else is... I dont find much "compassion" in her posts under this particular article.


Uncle Max: in re telemarketers
Since the essense of telemarketing is to uninvitedly intrude into the sanctity of someone's home and peace in hopes of making a buck off of them, those who engage in this unsavory and disreputable activity are no more to be sympathized with than a panhandling bum. The mere fact that they could use the money, or that they might find the work repellent is irrelevent. I am sure that a common street walker would tell you their work is hard and demeaning, but that hardly constitutes a call for tolerance of their occupation on the rest of our part.

Niggardly and the "N" word
Jimmy Joe, try as I might I can't seem to find any rhyming between the two words. If you find it offensive, re: your rebuttal to Pamela, it is on you, not Pamela or Mike.
It sounds similar to, but does not rhyme with.
Taproot

Jimmyjoe
What crawled up your butt and died? I guess you proved my point because you broke out in a sweat and had to respond. Touch a nerve, eh?

What kind of tv shows to liberals watch? I mean, I can't imagine them watching any comedy or anything, as humorless as so many of them are. Maybe they watch Charlie Rose interview Woody Allen. Sounds like an absolute riot.

Taproot... REALLY splitting hairs...!!!!
Taproot: "It sounds similar to, but does not rhyme with."

jcthomasva
Wow... you really are a little angst-ridden at having someone reply to you! Take a deep breath. It may come as a surprise to you be responding to your post was done without breaking a drop of sweat. No sweat.

The only thing that "touched a nerve" was the sheer stupidity of your post. If that bothers you, I apologise most profusely. And again, going on to make sort of vague meaningless generalizations about "liberals". You probably even think you know what you are talking about.

Oh. In case you missed a point I made above, I am FAR to the right of most people I know. But I dont like sloppy posts or meaningless generalizations.

Still funny!!
Despite all the ranting going on with these posts, I still think it was funny...lotsa people have to lighten up--or they are gonna get ulcers!!

Dr Adams
Do you think you could do a column next time on anger management ? We seem to have a lot of "butt crawling" going on around here.
I guess the panhandlers and telemarketers are getting to some of us.

hah hah
Hey buddy, political ideologies are not as relative as you think. Social conservatism can drip into authoritarianism which seeps into totalitarian dictatorships which justify themselves with leftist ideologies of redistribution. So when you say you are to the right, you might be swinging back around the cycle of ideology and come up on my left. So my blanket accusation of liberal might be fitting, because somewhere, somehow, you are to the left of me. I don't make vague generalizations, generally.

I don't know why twits like you get all bent out of shape over sarcastic remarks regarding the homeless. Maybe if I and Dr. Adams made sarcastic jibes against the financially solvent and socially responsible it would be more to your liking.

Splitting hairs?
Jimmy Joe wrote to JCThomasVA, "But I dont like sloppy posts or meaningless generalizations."
Jimmy Joe also wrote: "Taproot... REALLY splitting hairs...!!!!"
Taproot: "It sounds similar to, but does not rhyme with."
Jimmy Joe, ya can't have it both ways. If you don't like sloppy posts, then you obviously don't like your own.
Taproot


Professional Mendicants
The vast, vast majority of panhandlers around here are white, middle-aged males.

In december of 2000, I was coming home from having made the arrangements for my father's cremation (the same father who worked, at 75, with colon cancer, up until 2 weeks before his death.)

I passed the panhandler who'd been on the corner near my home for the umpteenth time. A laborer whom I'd worth with knew him, and had pointed out in the past that this panhandler drove a new Cadillac. This old, male panhandler was notable for his sign, "Why lie? I need beer?"
My distraught mother barely managed to keep me from crossing 3 lanes of traffic to take him out with my front bumper.

When I got home, I called the police on him. Later, I got a call back, saying there was nothing they could do to remove him, as he had a *mendicant's license*. All they could do was make him display the license.

It's a sad society that will actually LICENSE beggars.

Telemarketers
As annoying as they may be at times, telemarketers ARE working, earning a live (or at least trying to) and paying taxes. They should not be lumped in with panhandlers. They are not singling anyone out. Most use computer technology to dial sequential phone numbers until someone answers. The best way to end their calls is to enlist with the "do not call" list at donotcall.gov.

If you don't want to do that, simply cut the caller off by saying, "I am not interested. Put me on your "do not call" list, Goodbye," and hang up.

Hate to make generalizations, but
It's been my experience that it might not be the wisest move to be a "smart aleck" to crackheads. Even if every 1 in 100 panhandlers happen to be violent or on the aforementioned crack, is that a risk you wanna take so you can pull off insulting a homeless person? There are some messed up people out there.

Seems silly to risk it all for a little self-satisfaction. "Oh man, I got that bum good!"

This column seems to boil down to a barely-amusing how-to guide on messing with poor people. Not impressed.

Re: This is just unfunny garbage

John writes:

> I've found that just ignoring them works well, but if you're
> looking to be needlessly offensive, I guess these might work.


What's wrong with being needlessly offensive? Had you eber tried
it, you'd know that it's great fun.

And who cares if some panhandler, of all people, is offended?

You have no discernible sense of humor. Must be a liberal.


-CB-


Really Creighton?
If you don't like making fun of poor people, you have no sense of humor?

You must be a conservative.

I bet, however, if I started making jokes about Christianity or George Bush you wouldn't think it was so funny. Funny how that works.

Re: Responses

AudiR10 writes:

> For the young panhandlers I fix them with a stare and say
> "I'm an American." This is code in Canada for "I am armed
> and dangerous." (The older panhandlers figure it's code
> for "Get a job.")


One time I was accosted by a spare-change artist in Santa
Cruz, California. "Sorry, I'm Canadian," I said as I kept
walking. (I'm not, but it was the first thing that came
to mind for some reason.) "Oh, okay," the guy said.

If I'd known it was that easy, I'd have begun using that
line long ago.


-CB-


Re: Responses

AudiR10 writes:

> For the young panhandlers I fix them with a stare and say
> "I'm an American." This is code in Canada for "I am armed
> and dangerous." (The older panhandlers figure it's code
> for "Get a job.")


One time I was accosted by a spare-change artist in Santa
Cruz, California. "Sorry, I'm Canadian," I said as I kept
walking. (I'm not, but it was the first thing that came
to mind for some reason.) "Oh, okay," the guy said.

If I'd known it was that easy, I'd have begun using that
line long ago.


-CB-


Creighton Beryll
The knuckleheads that post on here probably didn't even catch the subtle humor of your name, although it is "nuanced," one of their favorite little phenomena to discuss.

And if anyone's got any good Christian jokes, fire away. But I doubt it, because liberals can't tell jokes. They can't because they are not allowed to laugh, the facial contortions necessary might damage their collagen injections (*cough* Nancy Pelosi).

Creighton
I'm not a liberal and I found your comments yucky. I on the other hand, have a GREAT sense of humor

Creighton Beryll - another one
How about - Sorry, I'm a liberal - the government dispenses my charity for me.

I agree that the best way to discern the
real poor people from the fakers is to buy them a meal. If they're really hungry, they'll appreciate it and you've done a good deed. If they're not legit you'll have just caught them.

As for this article, I don't find it funny either, and it's not because I find it offensive (because i'm not offended, I just think it's stupid to needlessly insult people... even annoying people). I find it unfunny because... it's not... funny. None of those were even clever, unfortunately, and I find a hard time believe the author uses these in his everyday life.

Uncle Max
Yeah I can agree with your point, he got a little carried away with himself. I still don't pass out money to the guys though, it goes to Night Train or Colt 45 (or worse). If you are wanting to help, your money is better sent to the Salvation Army or a neighborhood church funding a meals program or a shelter, giving the cash directly to the bum may make you feel good about yourself and will surely make him feel good ('til the hangover) it really does them little good at all.

Telemarketers I love. Had one call once wanting me to sign up for satellite TV. I asked her how much my satallite was going to cost, and worried over how cluttered space was going to get what with everyone getting their own satallite for TV and all. I kept her on the phone for a few minutes asking if there would be long distance fees on the bill (cause it's a long ways up there you know) and if they can send a signal all that way into space and back why don't they just send it straight to my house, finally she said she would have to get some answers for me and call back. Still haven't heard back from her about my launch date. Another time a call came from some credit card company looking for Mrs. Leroy, I asked "Who are you with again" and they said such-n-such credit card. I started going off, "What in the hell has that woman done now" and "I thought we got this straght the last time" and "By God I'll make sure this never happens again". There was a steady stream of "Sir....Sir...Sir...Sir" coming from the other end. Then I hung up the phone. I went out on the front porch to drink a beer and grin over my wit when I got to thinking that those folks have my phone number. Spent the next 15 minutes waiting on the county sherrif to drive up.

Liberals can't tell jokes?
One example: The Daily Show with John Stewart. Another example? The Colbert Report.

The funniest people in show business are liberals, not conservatives, and they always have been. You righties have really bizarre visions of the world.

Ever heard GWB try and tell a joke? It's PAINFUL.

Leroy - me too.
I like to have fun with telemarketers also. Depending on my mood, I may assume the role of stuttering half-wit, the hard of hearing, paranoiac, lonely recluse - anything to prolong the call, waste their time, and to annoy them. I get a smug feeling of satisfaction, listening to THEM trying to brush ME off the way others try to get rid of them.

They Can Be Aggressive

About a decade ago many panhandlers would frequent the parking
lot of a certain corner strip mall in my town. This strip mall
contained a large record store and an attached bookstore, and
therefore drew a crowd that skewed young.

Panhandlers are street-smart by nature, and they realized that
since young people are idealistic and compassionate (not to
mention naive), this place was prime panhandling territory.
Since almost all of them were black, I assume that they made
tyhe short trip down down from East Palo Alto.

It got to be a real annoyance. If you tarried for even a moment
getting in or out of your car, one of 'em would be on you: "Excuse
me, sir!" Others would roam the lot and intercept people walking
to or from the stores. "Excuse me, sir!"

One of the latter accosted me one evening as I walked toward the
bookstore. "Excuse me, sir!" He employed the telemarketers'
technique of giving his spiel in rapid-fire, not allowing me to
get a word in edgewise. It was a sob story about how he had rent
to pay and three hungry chilluns, yadda yadda yadda. Yeah, sure
you do, pal, I thought.

When the guy finally ran down, I looked at him and said, "I'm sorry,
but you'll have to find a guilty liberal." The look on his face,
which I caught in the moment before turning and walking away, was
priceless. The guy's jaw literally dropped. He was absolutely
stifled.


-CB-

conservative vs. liberal
I expect there are as many churlish, rude, obnoxious, sarcastic and unkind people who call themselves liberal as there are on the conservative side. I know for a fact, from scanning the occasional partisan website, that there are at least as many 'liberals' whose vocabularies are so limited they must resort to poorly chosen all-purpose epithets similar to the elided ones so beloved of Dr. Adams.

The difference is good manners, also known as common decency. There are surely liberals who are are kind, good (if naive) people. Many, perhaps most, honorable conservatives would never purposely be insulting,and even if provoked, wouldn't be so crass as to brag about it in order to get a cheap laugh from people who don't know any better.

Writing a column boasting of one's own real or imagined rudeness is just crass. If I were Mike's mama, I'd tell him that on OUR side of the tracks, people don't talk like that... to anybody. But then, if I were Mike's mama, maybe I wouldn't have known any better, either. Kennels can be like that, I'm told.

SandMan
I don't know that I'm looking for some satisfaction, I think I'm just easily entertained. It's kind of fun to see how far you can string them on until they finally catch on that your pulling their leg. Either I'm really good or most of them are really dumb cause it can go on awhile sometimes.

Also it's not as much fun since a lot of the telemarketing is now coming from Indiastan or some flea infested paradise. This new version makes the homegrown look like rocket scientests.

problem
some solutions for the homeless could be forcing the ones that just go back on the street after they get out of rehab or a mental health institution to STAY AT THESE INSTITUTIONS as they are obviously incapable of handing themselves. Keep the druggies in the rehab center for 6 months absolute minimum to make sure they are clean as throwing them in jail teaches them nothing. The ones with mental health problems that keep putting them on the streets KEEP them there.

super mario
I bet, however, if I started making jokes about Christianity or George Bush you wouldn't think it was so funny. Funny how that works.
depends on the jokes

ah John Stewart - for you Super Mario
His humor really is amateurish. Really, he strings together video clips, or splices them together in ways so as to distort the statements and make the targets of his humor say things they don't intend, then he makes a goofy face and says George Bush is an idiot. Kind of straw man humor, make fun of something that doesn't really happen or isn't really said. Hardly complicated stuff, rather predictable, I laugh on average 3 times an episode. I guess it appeals to the masses who lazily use it as their primary source of news.

I beg to differ that all the funny comedians are liberal: many comedians of yesteryear (Bob Hope) are conservative, and many comedians of today are libertarian or conservative (Dennis Miller, Drew Carey, Dave Barry, etc.). Need I remind you of the success of the "Blue Collar Comedy Tour"? Not that I find all these comedians funny, or agree with their politics, but the remark that liberals make the best comedians is at the very least ill-informed. I find Carlos Mencia hilarious on occasion. Also, the guys who write and produce South Park are libertarian, conservative leaning. SP is clearly the biggest thing Comedy Central has.

Panhandlers and telemarketers
I wear a Army field jacket, on the left upper sleeve is my old unit (15th MP Bde.) , right upper arm is the American flag, over the left breast pocket is a bright yellow patch with the following words in black: 'Jane Fonda American traitor Bi*CH' above that is a POW/MIA patch, above the right breast pocket is a skull with crossed pistols that reads 'Military Police, kick a*s and take names'. I also wear a US ARMY Veteran hat with a flag pin and the red white and blue ribbon from Sept. 11, 2001. I also walk with a cane due to a medical condition.
When a bum asks me for a handout, I stop, turn and stare at him/her it usually takes about 15 to 30 seconds, they get very uncomfortable and start shuffling from foot to foot, then I smile at them and continue n my way. At the store where we shop, there are kids with a coffee cup asking for donations for 'Midnight basketball' of all things, since I gave them the stare and smile treatment, they have stopped asking me.
As far as telemarketers go, once I got a call, it was a recording, I hung up, but when I picked up the phone again, the recording restarted, so I decided to have some fun. They were trying to sell vinyl siding, I live in an apartment, so they started asking stupid questions, like what is my favorite hobby, I replied: Having sex with my dog in the front yard, the recording said thank you, now what is your second favorite hobby? I replied: Having sex with my dog in the back yard. It asked me what my income range was, I replied $25 billion per year. this went on for a few minutes and I kept giving absurd answers, finally it ended and the recording hung up. I have not received a call from those people since, gee, I wonder why?
For the libs reading this, "I DO NOT HAVE SEX WITH MY DOG!!"

The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights Reserved

Panhandlers
Some really are looking for food. I bought a burger for a guy last summer who apparently wanted the food. I am not aware of any charities selling food coupons, but there are several restaurants in town that will set up a "charge" account for interested persons so that you can send someone their way with a slip authorizing them to a meal up to a certain dollar figure. I've handed out about five slips in the last year. Four of them have been redeemed.

However, more often than not, panhandlers get angry when you offer them food (or a coupon) rather than money. It's clear they want to use the money for something other than food -- cigarettes is, according to a seminary student who conducted a survey last summer, the most likely expenditure.

My own recent experience with egregious panhandling was the guy who was sitting at my exit off the expressway with a big sign saying "Hungry, homeless. Need shelter. Need food. Help me!" He was sitting out in -20 degree weather (yes, 50 degrees below freezing), but he was wearing nice (if dirty) refriger-wear. People were stopping and giving him money and a few brought food. The thing that got me was that he was sitting at the corner of 26th Avenue, less than two blocks from the Community Food Bank and the Rescue Mission. In other words, he might have been hungry and homeless, but he was within walking distance of shelter and food. But, hey, I'm sure what he hauled in a single day at that corner was enough to keep him in drugs for quite a long time.

some thoughts
"Need I remind you of the success of the "Blue Collar Comedy Tour"?"

Jon Stewart ameteurish, but the blue collar comedy tour is ok? Talk about lowest common denominator humor right there.

John Stewart is actually very well spoken and funny away from the news desk as well, in public speaking environments. As for Daily Show as a news source, of course I know better, but you could do a lot worse, frankly. At least when they're making stuff up it's obvious, unlike a certain other network I could think of. It's sort of like the onion, sure alot of stuff is ridiculous, but there is satire under there, and it's great at pointing out the ridiculousness of politics today.

I would argue that the guys of southpark not are conservative leaning, because I don't think there's any evidence of that. They make as much fun of conservative targets as they do of liberal ones. They make fun of the extremes of both ends.

I guess it all comes down to taste- I don't find Drew Carrey particularly funny, for example. I'd be hardpressed to label him "one of the funniest people in America" that's for sure. In fact, of those three you listed, I don't find any particularly compelling, not even Dennis Miller who I wouldn't even call a comedian really. Many of the comedy film stars today are liberal (hollywood has that tendency), remember, I said "the funniest people in show business", so this includes movie stars.

As for yesteryear, I'd be willing to admit that perhaps I was too hasty. I don't know if they've ALWAYS been liberals...though what we consider conservative and liberal did not exist back then, so it's kind of a hard claim to make anyway. Carson was a liberal, though he did his best to appeal to both sides, and that's one of the reasons he's so beloved.

needlessly offensive?
To those that have a problem with someone giving a witty and/or nasty reply to a pan handler let me point out that they make many of our public places intolerable. What's wrong with showing that element of our population that use public parks, streets and alleys as rest rooms and drug dens that we have a problem with them? And many of them AREN"T harmless, where they congregate in large numbers, such as the Boston Common, they intentionally threaten and intimidate people. There is a fine line sometimes between panhandling and mugging.

Lydia, an interesting post
But are you really going to argue that any type of slavery is a good thing? Biblical or not.

Many Telemarketers are visually impaired
As a member of the Lions International, I've gone on missions for the visually impaired (the blind). Telemarketing is often one of the few jobs these folks can perform.

Imagine being blind, wanting to be self sufficient, and having to put up with some of the antics written here.

Seems to me I've read in scripture that all work is beneficial. Let's consider the least of our brethren, especially those who want to be productive. Respectfully submitted, the JP from Wisconsin.

are all liberals witless?
Satire. Have you read Swift's "A Modest Proposal"? If you have, did you think the author was advocating butchering children for lunch?

Satire, a weapon of the classic 18th-century liberal, among whom Swift was prominent in his day.The purpose of satire is to expose societal cant, hypocrisy, stupidity. Mike Adams' columns, most of them, express satirical wit for that purpose. Thus, while termed a "conservative," nominally, he could as reasonably be called a classic liberal.

The classic liberal. . .not to be confused with the "postmodern" species, which appear to have lost their wits, or perhaps sold their souls for a pot of message.


GunnyG
Why shot the dog? Shot the person that let him out. That might causes some repercusions but what the hay Gunny you being a hard core marine you could handle it. You wouldn't shot my dog but once - not that you would have a chance - also firing a pellet gun in the city limits is unlawful - not that it matters

EZ
You proved my point

General comments
Verbivore - I think the reason the PROtagonist is called "Major Smart Aleck" is because its initials are the same as Dr. Adams' initials.

Excellent column as far as humor goes, but we've come to expect that.

I also believe that the reason Dr. A. illustrates the issue of using the word "niggardly" is based on publicized problems in the past. As I recall, a few years ago in Washington, D.C., at a city meeting dealing with public transportation, a city employee used the word and after a couple of days had to resign (or was fired) because of public outcry. Perhaps something similar has happened recently in NC.

Remember also that it wasn't Adams that started hammering telemarketers, it was posters. Some have made good points that the TMs are at least working, even though they are invading our privacy (hmmm - would that make them eligible for becoming aborted byproducts of conception?). Don't forget that there is a national "Do Not Call" list if they bug you. Now I get very few (political parties and charities may be exempted) and I just ask those I do receive to put me on their no-call list.

$ IS FOR DRUGS, GARBAGE CANS R FOR FOOD
DRUGS OR ALCOHOL IS WHAT THE MONEY IS FOR. THIS IS SIMPLY THE WAY IT IS 19 TIMES OUT OF TWENTY. THERE IS STILL THE TWENTIETH TIME THOUGH. SOME PEOPLE REALLY DO NEED A TICKET TO FRESNO, OR MONEY TO BAIL OUT THEIR CAR FROM THE PARKING GARAGE (BECAUSE THEIR WALLET WAS STOLEN).

MIKE TOOK A DETOUR TODAY FROM HIS USUAL WORK REGARDING FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION ON HIGH SCHOOL AND COLLEGE CAMPUSES. I WAS A BIT NONPLUSED AT FIRST BY HIS ATTITUDE; BUT I HAVE TO SAY THAT IT PARALLELS THE ATTITUDE OF EVERY SINGLE VETERAN POLICE OFFICER AND DA I HAVE KNOWN. AFTER AN INDIVIDUAL HAS DEALT FOR A FEW YEARS WITH CRIMINAL AND QUASI-CRIMINAL TYPES HE JUST DOES NOT HAVE THE INEXHAUSTABLE PATIENCE TO CONTINUE THE SEARCH FOR THE EXCEPTIONS. THESE INDIVIDUALS, OF COURSE, DO NOT MEASURE UP TO THE ACLU STANDARD FOR INEXHAUSTABLE PATIENCE.

I MENTIONED 19 OUT OF 20 ABOVE. ACTUALLY, THAT'S WRONG. 19 OUT OF TWENTY PANHANDLERS THAT THE PUBLIC SEES ARE ON WELL FREQUENTED STREET CORNERS. AND THESE CORNERS ARE FOUGHT FOR. IF YOU SEE THE SAME PERSON ON THE SAME WELL TRAVELED STREET CORNER FOR SEVERAL MONTHS, YOU CAN ASSUME SEVERAL WEAKER AND PROBABLY MORE NEEDY INDIVIDUALS HAVE BEEN BEATEN OR OTHERWISE SCARED OFF. GENERALLY, IF A MEMBERR OF THE WEAKER SEX IS ON THE CORNER, THERE IS A SOLDIER NOT FAR OFF, SECURING THE CORNER AND MAKING SURE SHE DOESN'T HOLD OUT ON HIM. SO I AM CORRECTING MYSELF. AROUND 99 OUT OF 100 PANHANDLERS THAT THE PUBLIC SEES ARE THERE FOR DRUGS OR MONEY AND A GOOD PERCENTAGE OF THESE ARE VICIOUS THUGS WHO ARE READY IN AN INSTANT TO ATTACK ANYONE WEAKER WHO MIGHT COMPETE FOR THE PUBLIC'S SYMPATHIES.

JUST ONE MORE NOTE. ONE OF THE POSTS MENTIONS WORDS TO THE EFFECT THAT MIKE SHOULD FEEL PRIVILEGED TO SHARE SPACE WITH GEORGE WILL. AND I AGREE WITH THAT. BUT BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM I WOULD USUALLY CHOOSE TO READ MIKE'S COLUMN. MIKE IS MORE REAL AND HAS ACTUALLY PIONEERED OUR CONCIOUSNES AND CONSCIENCE IN THE REALM OF FREE EXPRESSION. GEORGE IS A GENIUS BUT LATELY HE SEEMS TO HAVE HIS HEAD IN THE CLOUDS. GEORGE IS GETTING TO BE TOTALLY ABOVE IT ALL. NO ONE WOULD EVER SAY THAT ABOUT MIKE ADAMS.

Sandman
Just say "no thank you" and hang up. Simple as that.

Different Rules for Chicks
at least according for the panhandling thing.

You don't know what kind of crazy the panhandler is. Could be benign, could be belligerent, but why bait someone who might hurt you?

This is esp true for chicks. I'm a petite young woman and am often hit up for money by panhandlers, and some clever one at that.

I find its best to get away as quickly as possible, not answering them or engaging them in any way.

Or I will carry a pack of cigs with me to throw at them should they try and follow me (as has happened). I've found they go for the free cigs and leave me alone.

Be careful girls. Even a small man can overpower you.

colorado
protag vs antag.

sheesh, I know the difference between a protagonist and an antagonist. Does know one have a sense of humor? M.S.Alleck, was "antagonizing" our "hero" the homeless man.

Though you're probably right that the name had something to do with Adams initials. It was still an unflattering portrait. Intentionally so.

aurora
Once my husband and I came across a man sitting at a highway exit ramp. His car pulled off to the side of the road. A woman and child inside.

He flagged us down, gave us a sob story about running out of gas. Needed to get to St. Louis. Baby needed medicine. something like that.

I had 10 bucks in my pocket. Gave it to him. (my husband actually was telling me "no" but I'm a softee...and a slow learner)

He got ANGRY! His eyes flashed, he could barely contain his fury at our stinginess.

We got home, called the police. They laughed...they knew about him and yes, we'd been scammed.

We learned our lesson though. A few weeks later saw a woman at a gas station. Begging for gas money. We politely said we were sorry, but we could not help.

wise one
Concerning Streetwise.

Streetwise in Chicago is a legitimate paper. It sold by the homeless, but they have to purchase it themselves. I find that most "vagrants" who have taken the time and bother to purchase a supply and stand on a street corner selling are legitimately making an effort.

Possibly the guy who didn't want to give up his last copy had been selling the same "found" copy all day!

Sure it's not a conventional way to earn a buck. But its better than just sitting there with a tin cup. Chicago is full of homeless. Mayor Daley notwhithstanding, the homeless vagrants of Chicago will always be with us.

Taproot
I'm going to make this as REAL EASY you can follow my point without getting lost.

When I stated in response to JCThomasva that I dont like "sloppy posts or meaningless generalisations", I was responding SPECIFICALLY to his vague generalisations about "liberals".

I responded SEPARATELY to YOU.
You were contradicting a comment I had made about Mike's use of a word which "rhymes with the n-word."

YOU stated that "It sounds similar to, but does not rhyme with."

I entitled MY response to you as "Splitting Hairs." I didnt see the need for FURTHER comment, because - DUH and double DUH - my meaning should have been OBVIOUS to a fool.

Nothing "sloppy" about that. I assumed a level of basic intelligence you seem to lack, so now I will EXPLICITLY state the meaning of my post.

What is the ESSENTAL dang DIFFERENCE between what YOU said and what I said - though you claim to contradict me????????????????????

"Sounds like BUT doesNT rhyme with"????? Gimme a break!

jcthomasva
JC: "Hey buddy, political ideologies are not as relative as you think."

First off, I am not your "buddy"....

JC: "Social conservatism can drip into authoritarianism which seeps into totalitarian dictatorships which justify themselves with leftist ideologies of redistribution."

Lecture unnecessary... I see you have been to sociology 101...

JC: "So when you say you are to the right, you might be swinging back around the cycle of ideology and come up on my left."

I NEVER said whether I was to the left OR to the right of YOU, so this point is immaterial.... You seem to have a MOST superficial understanding of leftist/rightist ideologies...

JC: "So my blanket accusation of liberal might be fitting, because somewhere, somehow, you are to the left of me."

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with a SINGLE thing I have stated above. I really could care LESS whether I am left/right/above/below YOU.

I simply closed my post with a comment that I find myself to the right of most people I know, in the context of objecting to YOUR vague generalisations about "liberals" - the reason being that I object to vague generalisations in GENERAL - and didnt want you misconstruing my objection as being on the grounds of being personally offended AS a "liberal."

JC: "I don't make vague generalizations, generally."

I dont care whether you do or not. You did above, and in that SPECIFIC instance I objected. Get over it.

JC: "I don't know why twits like you get all bent out of shape over sarcastic remarks regarding the homeless."

I didnt object to your "sarcasm." I objected to the "stupidity" of your remarks. I couldnt find ANY sarcasm in your remarks, which would no doubt require a degree of intelligence. And if a "twit" like me can kick your butt all over the place, figuratively speaking, I think that says VERY little for your intelligence indeed.

JC: "Maybe if I and Dr. Adams made sarcastic jibes against the financially solvent and socially responsible it would be more to your liking."

Well, in your case, if you could rise to the level of making sarcastic remarks about ANYone, I would be impressed. In Dr. Adams' case, I generally ENJOY his sarcasm, which is why I read his columns. However, sometimes his JUDGEMENT is faulty, in that he can use it in ways I consider inappropriate, as in this case.

I think he knows that himSELF, as this post has been removed from the front page. I'm glad it is removed. Dr. Adams is intelligent enough to know when he has fired... and missed.

Panhandlers
Bum: Spare change?

Mr. Bee: There is no such thing as 'spare' change.

Verbivore
My church runs a food bank distribution point, so most of our members carry "wood nickles" with us to give to people who say they're hungry. These are redeemable at the Community Food Bank for a box of food that will feed an adult male for about four days. I also have an account at a local dinner in the downtown area so that people can redeem a coupon I've given them.

I WILL NOT GIVE MONEY! My husband does sometimes because he actually spent a few nights as a homeless person when he was a teenager with dysfunctional parents and so he sometimes forgets that we want to help people with real needs, not with perceived ones. He's also big enough and street-wise enough to handle a panhandler who might get aggressive with him.

I have a take-or-leave-it attitude. You take what I offer or you can head on down the street to bother someone else. The older fellow I bought the burger for approached me inside the mall as I was going into the diner, so I offered to buy him a burger. He really was hungry and his story made sense. Down from the village to attend a family funeral (I knew the family), somebody rolled him as he was walking through a park (I know the park, it happens) and he was waiting for his sister to wire him funds. He wasn't a drugged-out deadbeat; just a guy who needed a hand-up. He showed up the next day at our church's food distribution and offered to pay me for the burger (his funds had come in), but ended up loading boxes for us. I gave his name to a missionary that lives in a nearby village and they say he's become a regular church attender.

Sometimes, on rare occassion, it pays to be nice. Most of the time, though, they just want cigarette money and I'm NOT giving them that!

Begging (various)
My business is near downtown in a medium-sized So California city. I have occasional characters come in and asking for bus fare, milk for their babies, etc., often the same guys over and over. The ones asking for food usually look displeased if I offer to check the frig out back; when I suggested the Salvation Army shelter a few blocks away, I had one guy sneer that their sack lunch was PB&J. There is one older man we see occasionally who will do odd jobs--yard work, etc. who seems to know what he's doing, for food money. The Public Library has cards available to give to panhandlers with the addresses of places to get food and shelter. We had a family show up at our church the Sunday after Christmas who were in a loaded van that they said had needed expensive repairs that had used all their traveling money and they were headed home to the Midwest. When our pastor offered to take them to lunch and fill the gas tank, they were genuinely grateful. But the church office occasionally gets really belligerent beggers who make demands, and our food pantry has their regulars. Our food pantry manager is a former addict who has a pretty good nose for real need. It can be a tough call--
I usually give telemarketers "I'm sorry, we don't accept unsolicited phone calls" and hang up; I had one call me right back, say, "Let's see how you like it" and slam down the phone. I wonder if they think that business people have nothing better to do. And businesses are not eligible for the "do not call" list. Occasionally I will ask charitible solititors how much of the money they raise actually goes to the charity; some of them will ask and be surprised how little it is; one once got huffy about his costs and how lucky the cause was to get even a small percentage of his take. My mother-in-law used to let them go through their whole spiel and then say "sorry, no English" (which was almost true).
Telemarketers are like spammers--if nobody responded, they'd stop. Apparently enough people bite to keep them going.
Linden

PRO v. ANTagonist
Verbivore,

I wasn't suggesting you were wrong in your view (he was antagonizing the panhandlers), I just was expressing my view that in the big scheme, MSA was doing good things.

Take care brother!

Female perspective
On panhandlers: Regardless of whether it is economically wise or Christian charity to give to a panhandler, it is emphatically unsafe for a woman to give to a panhandler. To allow yourself to get close enough to someone begging for money is asking for trouble. Many a con man will use this disguise, play on your sympathy and charity, and then once you are close enough, he can overpower you. He knows that there will be few, if any, witnesses - who looks at a panhandler anyway? Most people look away, so a description of your assailant will be lacking in detail. If you are a woman, NEVER give money to a panhandler.

On the article: This one was well below Mike Adams standards. I can usually rely on him to be a moral compass. Not today. Sarcasm can be an effective rhetorical tool (and Adams uses sarcasm in that way well, and often); but when coupled with a lack of compassion or underlying meaning, sarcasm is just mean and ugly. I agree with his assessment that it is unwise to give to panhandlers, but it is never wise to treat your fellow human being in such a shameful manner. For evidence of Adams's redemption, and usual style, read January 18th's column - The Ten Commandments of Charity.

aurora
You have the best stories! And such an encouraging one. It feels so good to help someone who legitimately needs help.

Another panhandler response
PH: "Can you spare a dollar?"
Me: "Yes, I can" (and continue walking)

If, in fact, you have a dollar that you do not need, this is the ONLY appropriate response to the question that was asked. You CAN, in fact, spare the dollar, so by saying "yes", you are truthfully answering the question. However, the panhandler did not actually ask you FOR the dollar, so it would not be appropriate to GIVE him the dollar. So by responding in this manner, you are being truthful with the panhandler, AND giving him EXACTLY what he asked for, .i.e., knowledge about the availability of a spare dollar on your person.

(Note: though most will be totally flumoxxed by your response, some will have enough sense to follow up with a "Well, may I have it?" At this point you could just say "No" and end it there, but if you want to be a total jerk, you can have even more fun with this. Just say, "yes, you may", and again continue walking. Technically, he still hasn't asked you FOR the dollar. In fact, it is linguistically impossible for anyone to ASK anyone else FOR anything tangible. The only QUESTION that can be ASKED is whether he can have something or whether you will give him something, which is a yes/no question, requiring only a verbal yes/no response. The panhandler can REQUEST that you give him a dollar (i.e., "Please give me a dollar"), but linguistically, this is just a demand ("Give me a dollar") with the word "please" attached, which gives you the justification to say "Who the hell are you to DEMAND that I give you money?".)

Regards,
Trevor

Another response
A few years ago in Reno someone tried to panhandle me but I told him I don't carry cash; I use plastic.

Panhandlers have sometimes been muggers, especially at night. The Reno incident was in the daytime and my teenage grandson was with me.

that is just stupid
that is really dumb kim don't you know that the tax donation write offs are really small.

Its Judge Johnson's fault
In the late 60s, while I was a student at the University of Alabama, I had a night job as psychiatric aide in the state mental hospital at Tuscaloosa. Most of the people we now call homeless were in-patients of that type of hospital in those days. They were humanely housed and cared for in structured environment. Most of the patients on my ward were there for alcohol or drug abuse. They were provided with medical care, food, clothing, and shelter; as well as work and recreation opportunities. There was a weekly game night, a weekly dance, a weekly movie, and of course TV every night until lights out. In addition to playing chess, volley ball and ping-pong with them, and escorting them to chow and activities, I watched TV and discussed current events with them. If they were able to work, they could earn commissary coupons by working in the laundry, orchard, or dinning hall. As long as they were in the hospital, they were as normal as anybody else. However, when one of them was deemed ‘recovered’ and released, he or she invariably returned to substance abuse and other strange behavior and was back in the hospital within a month.

In the early 70s, a federal judge in Montgomery, by the name of Johnson, ruled that all mental patients who had not been convicted of a crime, or who had not voluntarily committed themselves were ordered to be released. Other judges throughout the US cited his ruling. This was the beginning of the homeless/beggar problem in America.

My Approach
When someone asks me for change, I ask them if they will do 25 push-ups for $1. Most of them do it and very few complain about it. I put my fist down on the ground to make sure they do good ones. Everyone I know think I am nuts for doing this, but if I am going to shell out a buck, I at least want them to earn it.