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Wednesday, September 27, 2006
Mike Adams :: Townhall.com Columnist
Unconscious Racism
by Mike Adams
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The other day, a student asked me the meaning of the term “unconscious racism.” As a conservative Christian, he was tired of all the expanded definitions and examples of racism proffered by the left in order to obscure the decline of real racism in America. He saw this as a lame attempt to market socialistic solutions by exaggerating social problems.

But he was wrong. Just like individual racism - and institutional racism and subtle racism -unconscious racism really does exist. And my boss Rosemary DePaolo provides a good example of what it means to be an “unconscious racist.”

My discovery of Rosemary’s unconscious racism would never have been made had a young black staff member not complained to me about one of her policies – a policy born of her false belief that she is an anointed queen, not a university president. It seems the young black man was required to enter by the back door when he made a service call to Rosemary’s mansion where she lives free of charge (the free mansion is one example of welfare reform that was overlooked in the 1990s). He was told that had he been a professor, the chancellor would consent to an entrance through the front door. But, unfortunately for him, staffers must enter through the back door.

Since the staffers entering through the back door are disproportionately black and the professors entering through the front door are disproportionately white there is a clear pattern of racial discrimination. And since Rosemary is a liberal, she can’t argue the non-existence of unconscious racism. And if unconscious racism exists, the argument that she “did mean to” implement a discriminatory system is irrelevant.

Even more compelling examples of unconscious racism can be found within the halls of academia. And there is no better place to look for them than in a Department of Sociology where the people who pledge their lives to the eradication of bigotry are perhaps the most intolerant and bigoted segment of our society. And, unlike the Klansmen, they cannot claim a lack of education as a defense.

Some years ago, one of my so-called colleagues heard me tell the story of a drug raid I went on in a working class neighborhood in Wilmington. I approached a crack house with a law enforcement officer who had instructed me to purchase one crack rock from a man in a wheelchair who was on parole. Just before we got inside, someone drove up to buy some drugs. We circled the block until the transaction was completed.

Halfway around the block we decided to cut through two houses and watch the place for a few moments before entering. When we did so, we were able to see two lookouts jumping out of a tree that we had been standing under just a few minutes before. They were young and did their jobs poorly. The second they realized there was about to be a bust, they ran towards their homes in the nearby projects.

When the coast was clear we went inside. Before long, the drug agent was given consent to search the parolee’s room. Needless to say, he was in possession of numerous crack pipes, some used recently. And so the agent cut a deal.

In order to be spared from a trip back to prison the parolee had to provide information leading to a bigger catch before the evening ended. Because of the constant influx of prostitutes, users, and other dealers that wasn’t hard to do. In fact, it was a small time heroin dealer – a friend of the parolee’s - that intervened and led the agent to an amount of heroin sufficient to divert his attention from the handicapped felon.

I had hoped it would only be a few minutes that I was left there in the crack house while the agent went to check out the lead. But I sat through an entire HBO movie while the crack heads drank and smoked everything in sight – but not any crack as they assumed I was an agent. I couldn’t figure out how they managed to pay the cable bill while the doors were falling off the hinges and the cockroaches crawled up the walls.

By the time the evening ended the drug agent had what he wanted. And by the time I finished telling the story to the “colleague” he had what he wanted; namely, grounds to accuse me of racism. “Why didn’t you just burn a cross in his yard, Adams,” the enlightened professor quipped.

But the suggestion that we were racists wrongly targeting the crack addict suffered a fatal flaw; namely, that the addict was white. At no point in the story did I mention the man’s race. But my “colleague” heard the word “crack” and assumed – incorrectly assumed – that all crack addicts are black.

So it seems that unconscious racism is not just real but thriving on the campus of UNCW. Whether you’re talking about the Chancellor or just a tenured professor, the roots of racism run deep. And its occasional revelation does nothing to diminish the arrogance of the unconscious racist. It only increases his guilt and his zeal to engage in racial Scapegoating.

And, once the cat is out of the bag, the rest is done with full and conscious awareness.

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This of course fits well
with Adams's earlier definition of racism being the irrelevant ijection of race into an issue.

A Name by any other
The "Unconcious Racism" practiced by elites on BOTH sides of the aisle isn't against Blacks...it's against Whites.

The man in the first part of this article wouldn't have even thought "race" if he hadn't been conditioned to think "victim"...100 people could apply to attend Harvard...75 could be denied...out of that 75, 40 could be white and think they just weren't good enough...out of the remaining 35 that was Black...guess how many would think..."it's because of my race?"

Is the Black man playing the race/victim card any less racist than the colleage who jumped to the conclusion that the White men were automatically wrong?

In both cases, the bad one was the one with White skin...racism is racism...yes, even if it is against someone White. And sexism is sexism even if it is against a Male. And one can be a religious bigot...even if the religion in question is Christianity.

No wonder the elites hate Bush...he's White! Christian! (and gasp) A Male!





unconcious racism
Cal Thomas mentioned in one of his articles not long ago that we all have something, to an extent, of an inner racist within ourselves; what matters is how one chooses to act on it (or not) and one's realization that this is probably true no matter how one would prefer not to believe it to be true. I think it is why the movie "Crash" took home Best Picture at the 2005 Oscars as it portrayed this so perfectly (and viewers could relate...well, except for those who think they are above it all or are in denial.

Tisk, tisk...
Such disrespect for non-professors.

Mostly black service workers in the back door, mostly white master-degreed cronies received through the front door. Such a shame.

That is, is the Chancellor ashamed of staff workers or service-providers? Besides the muddy ones, is there something dirty or wrong with them that they cannot enter through the opulent foyer? Will they break something or ruin the ambiance because they're just service workers?

Hmm. So the foyer off-limits to undesireables. I have a foyer. It's tiny but everyone gets to use it. Am I breaking an unspoken social rule? No one told me! Does the dog count? Can the dog go in through the front door and foyer, but do I keep the gardener to the back door? Are dogs more privileged than gardeners? (The gardener's name is Blake, can I keep him?)

Are the UNCW administrative offices run the same way as the Chancellor's palace? When a student is working in a service job while attending UNCW, which door do they use? Mike Adams really needs to share that with us - he can ask the student - no, that one already knows he can't use the front door. What about the student's parents? If a parent works in a service industry - is he or she invited in the front door? Does service worker money still count for tuition? What if the parents are service workers but they come with their dog, can they get in?

Oh,I'm so confuuuuused.

CatDestroyer
what?

How is it
that I'm so often misunderstood by people that I 100% agree with?

Typical socialist
Leftist / Socialists are so good at talking about eliminating class distinction, and then sending the servants through the back door.

Saving for last.
Whenever Adams is on Townhall.Com, always save his article for last. There are a lot of profound, stimulating, toughtful columnists here, but Adams is always dessert! Today's liberal-gigging fest will keep my smiling all day.

In the south
we say "When you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that hollers is the one that got hit."

That is, the people who spend most of their time denying they are racist are generally the ones doing and saying the opposite in the way they run around accusing everyone else of racism.

On the other hand, it was common belief in Atlanta that all White people are racists from conception and there's absolutely nothing we can do about it. That is one reason I moved away from Atlanta.

More Rubbish
Ha..I couldn't help but laugh at Mike's attempt to distance him from the "Real unconscious racists"...namely the Liberals! The chancellor only allowed professors through the front door...so were all the professors white? Or were all the members of the staff Black? Mike chose that anecdote to inject race where it made no sense. Now, the US has the largest prison population in the world and of all the minorities in the US, the African American community has a disproportionately large number of people in prison. Why is that? After the "war on drugs" was declared, racial profiling was openly adopted and the image of the African American as a drug dealer in the inner city was popularized not just by the media but by Hollywood...Mike's professor friend was not the only person to fall for that image but law enforcement authorities fall for that image over and over again. Is he to blame for that temporary lapse or was the purpose of Mike's little social experiment to prove that normal people fall prey to stereotypes just as some people feel that Arab-Americans should be spied upon or that there should be separate Muslim only lines in the Airport since almost "all terrorists are Muslim"? Or does Mike suffer from a similar lapse when he calls anyone who opposes Israel's actions in the occupied territories Anti-Semitic?

Liberals are the real racists.
Many are the times that liberals have accused me of racism because of my Christian and conservative views. Their slander cannot be based on any actual evidence because my spouse is not white and my roommate before I married my spouse was a black African. Liberals have always prejudged me based on their small-minded world view. If liberals actually had the intellect to learn to communicate in more languages than English and would actually socialize with people from other cultures, then they might realize just how silly is their two dimensional concept called “multiculturalism” and maybe even begin to shed some of their bigotry.

Yamu
The reason more blacks than whites are in jail for drugs is because welfare-produced black gangs retail illegal drugs whereas whites engage in network marketing. Duh!

Taskwazen
You just caused me to wonder: is it possible that black crime rates went up shortly after the 'war of poverty' began? Or perhaps I should say, once the welfare system had pretty well been put in place...

yamu the parrot
That one statistic is worthless. You might as well state that more white people have died in the US than any other race. Its about as useful.

Culture. You know the one bred by so-called civil rights leaders who tell the black communities they would be living large if the white man had not kept them down?

You want an answer? 70% (yes more than 2/3) of blacks born today are to a single parent. Without a strong male role model odds are the child will not be taught values to keep them out of trouble.

Please think for yourself and stop posting DNC talking points.

Yamu & Liberal Blindfolds
It's obvious by your comments that you didn't even read the article - or at best, you just quickly scanned it. But, somehow you feel entitled to slam an article you didn't even read.

You ask, "..so were all the professors white? Or were all the members of the staff Black?"

Adams clearly stated, "..staffers entering through the back door are disproportionately (this means most of them) black and the professors entering through the front door are disproportionately white."

In the last few weeks I started posting on Dailykos and I would like to make a few comments:

- The "moonbat" liberals who post on this site are actual very intelligent and calm compared to the posters on Dailykos. (yes, even Left Angle)

- When I post a very carefully written response, which totally disproves the liberal points being discussed, I am totally ignored - or I receive a response that doesn't address anything I've stated - they just start talking about another totally unrelated whacko theory.

- I encourage the regulars on this site to establish a Dailykos account. It’s a little amateurish and not as user friendly as townhall, (and I hate to add to their "visitor" numbers) but we are often "preaching to the choir" here.

My apologies for getting off the subject.

Otter
Black crime rates did go up after we started paying young, unmarried black girls to bear illegitimate children, better known as the Great Society. With 70% of black children growing up without a father (Who da baby's Daddy is? ring any bells) it's no wonder they commit crimes at a great rate. You get ehat you pay for.

Unconscious racism?
Social psychologists have a term for "unconscious racism". It's called a schema. Everyone has them. It's a way of simplifying a complex world down to a few basic rules. Taken to extremes, schemas become stereotyping.

In Adams' story, the person he's telling it to obviously has in his schema that crack addicts are black until proven otherwise, just as I would guess a lot of white America has the schema that crack babies are usually black (wrong - it's almost 50-50), or to take an example from another the column the other day, all illegals own firearms.

In my father's world, Jews were lawyers, Greeks owned restaurants, and blacks were lazy and shiftless. I'm largely immune from that as I know better. I still have mine, such as all Indian-looking computer programmers are guest workers on H-1B visas until proven otherwise, and those who aren't programmers own mini-marts and gas stations. I can't help it that immigration policy reinforces my perception.

We all have schemas. It's part of what makes us able to function and make quick decisions. Sometimes schemas will reveal what can be taken to be prejudice, which I suppose it is a form of. Any attempt to eliminate this "unconscious racism" is bound to fail, as the human animal loves to classify things, and schemas enable us to do that.

Adams' column
Perfectly illustrates the single greatest problem with the left, in and out of academia. (I feel safe in making this connection as previous Adams columns have established that Chancellor DePaolo is decidedly not a conservative, "neo" or otherwise.)That is the tendency to treat people only as members of groups, not as individuals. The left essentially divides people into two categories; "Us" and "Them". "Us" is the liberals themselves, who spend most of their time being impressed with their own self-perceived perfection. "Them" is anyone not part of that subset, who are regarded as either (a) useful or (b) not useful. "Useful" groups are those which can be exploited to acheive the liberals' overall objectives- such as minorities. "Not useful" groups are those which either cannot be suborned to their agenda (think some moderates) or who actively oppose it (think most conservatives). What all three of the "Them" subsets have in common is the "Us" subsets' complete lack of real respect, empathy, or even simple courtesy toward them. They are expected to "know their place, and keep it". And when this is pointed out to a typical "progressive" intellectual, the inevitable reaction is what Ayn Rand called "blank-out"; they simply refuse to admit that they are behaving in exactly the way that is obvious to an unbiased observer. And simply making the observation (as I have done here)is often all it takes to provoke the progressive to immediately lob that famous verbal stink-bomb, i.e. "You're a racist!", right back at you. Anything to avoid confronting the reality of their own behavior- and the consequences thereof. To themselves, and society as a whole.

Don't forget
the liberal social system (division of family services) have their pointy little finger in the pie. When you compare todays parents to what we were raised by, well, it just stinks. I remember Richard Prior talking about his beloved Grandmother beating the crap out of him when he misbehaved. Do that today and you get arrested. Do anything to upset the little darling and you are charged with child abuse. And then, when they are 15 and uncontrolable, you catch the flak for that also. I thank God every day that my kids are 40 something. I'm pretty sure I would have been arrested.

The Great Racism Lie
When I was growing up people were taught the basic tenets of right and wrong. They were also taught how to use common sense(if they had any).
This meant that things weren't convoluted and complicated, but straightforward. If a large group of people were doing something evil, immoral or disgusting we reacted. And if this same group of people laid down a pattern of misconduct we had the common sense to recognize this group and nail it for it's sins. The same went with individuals. But thanks to Liberalism we now have rules within rules within rules as to how to behave and think toward any person or group. We are no longer allowed to call a spade a spade without being branded a racist instead of what we really are: people using their common sense.
When I was in college one of my courses was "Crime and Delinquency". Government statistics at that time said that 87% of all felonies in the U.S. were committed by the Black sector, which made up only 11% of the population. Just how many felonies per Black is that? In any event, Liberals had that textbook yanked shortly after my course ended. The truth had no place in our society.
It was racist...
To stare the truth in the eye and have an honest reaction to it is racist.
To hate what some group or person does and defend yourself from them can get you prosecuted and ostracized for committing a "hate crime"..
Heck, I've noticed that almost all blogs, posts and articles written about this subject have the qualifier in them of "But I do have lots of Black friends!" People are afraid of telling the truth because they run the risk of being called a racist. This is NOT the America I grew up in.
We shouldn't be afraid of raising cane about misdeeds just because they were perpetrated by a minority. Personallly I couldn't give a whit what people think, unlike so many White folks today who are running scared. I tell it like it is. And if the Liberals or Blacks or Hispanics or even the Munchkins don't like it..TOUGH!
And if we all took this stance we could end these head games overnight, leaving the Liberals to scrabble for a new way to intimidate those that have done nothing wrong.
The truth stings...that's its nature.
And that's why Liberals and minorities hate it so much.
Time we all told the emperor that he's butt-naked....




White crime?
As coytoy points out, "The truth had no place in our society."

From a 2006 CDC report:

-- White youth are 2.3 times more likely than black youth to drive drunk*

-- White males are a third more likely than black males to have carried a weapon in the past month (31.4 percent vs. 23.7) and fifty percent more likely to have taken a weapon to school (10.1 vs. 6.8);

-- Although white and black youth are roughly equally likely to have tried alcohol, white youth are fifty percent more likely to drink currently (46 percent vs. 31 percent), and nearly three times as likely to engage in episodic binge drinking (defined as having five or more drinks at a time, more than once a month). Indeed thirty percent of white youth have engaged in such heavy drinking, while only eleven percent of black youth have, meaning that white youth are nearly as likely to have binged more than once in the past month, as black youth are to have taken a drink at all;

-- Although there is no statistically significant difference between white and black youth when it comes to marijuana use, whites between grades 9-12 are almost 3.5 times more likely to have tried cocaine, twice as likely to be current coke users, twice as likely to have used inhalants, twice as likely to have used illegal steroids, 3.3 times as likely to have used hallucinogenic drugs, nearly four times as likely to have used methamphetamine, and slightly more likely to have used heroin or ecstasy. While it should be noted that only very small percentages of youth of any color have tried these harder drugs--obviously good news, and important to recognize, given the tendency to stereotype young people generally as irresponsible--the fact remains that blacks are typically the least likely to have done so.**

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 2006. Youth Risk Behavior Surveillance--United States, 2005. Surveillance Summaries, June 9. (Tables 4, 6, 12, 20, 22, 28, 30, 32, 34, 36, 66, pages 38, 40, 46, 54, 56, 62, 64, 66, 68, 70, 90).

And these statistics do not touch on white collar crime which is disproprtionately committed by whites (and far more pervasive and damaging to our society than the black drug dealer on the corner), and serial crime, and preemptive war, and illegal wiretapping, and torture, and hate crime among others.

Yet for some strange reason no one seems to attach any stigma to whites for the disproportionate crimes they commit.

What about the crime rates of men versus women? Should we tell the "truth" about men too?

I'm not afraid of the truth, I'd just like the truth to be dispensed a bit more uniformly. Yes, as we can see from some of these posts, racism is still a problem.

* Off Topic *
I asked this yesterday in another column, but since it was off topic it got ignored. So, I thought I would try one more time...

Do some of the posts here on TH get deleted? I have seen some pretty rank/inflammatory posts before, so I can't figure they are deleting based on that. However, I often (read: daily) encounter replies to posts that are nowhere to be found. Anyone know the skinny?

Satire?
Was the first half of the column meant as satire? Adams takes a policy of allowing Professors in the front door while making staff go through the back (admittedly an odd policy but that seems irrelevant to the point being made) and injects race into it. Would the policy be different if everyone was white, or there was more black faculty? No evidence is given for this.
Then in the second half he accuses a colleague of racism for injecting race into an issue. I am not about to blame an anonymous faculty member for something he is supposed to have done according to someone who has contempt for him, but Adams version of what he himself labels "unconscious racism" comes directly from Adams, so there doesn't seem to be any question of whether it is an accurate account of his argument.

which door to enter
Since I have never been rich,everyone enters through the front door but watching rich people mostly in movies or TV service people are always required to enter the back door regardless of color. It is certainly indicative of a class system but it comes from societies where there were very few or no people of color.

Coyoty speaks truthfully!!
Liberalism is the Canser of our culture. It may not ever be cured but, hopefully, it can be brought to long, long, long term remission.

white crime
When was the last time you were reluctant to be on the street at night for fear of being embezzled.

FOR Icedog01
I too go to the KOS and post. It's funny as h*ll to read some of the replies I get. Like you said, most there cannot offer a rebutal to anything said that is not in line with their "thinking". They can only spin off wildly with rhetoric and sarcasm.

Good read, as usual from Dr. Adams.

To Lon:
Good point in your first paragraph. It _is_ discrimination, but one, if we can accept the entire thing as truth, of class (staff vs. faculty) than one of color, which is incidental. And just why _are_ the staffers "disproportionately black" as the article points out? Is this more insidious discrimination at work, or just a result of the applicant pool, quotas, or some other system?

Regarding your 2nd paragraph, the accusation of racism. It's simply a person's schema. I saw "crack dealer in a wheelchair" and I pictured a white guy. In my schema, "wheelchair" meant white, and that overrode "crack dealer", I guess. Now why that is? I don't know.

For all you who sit on high in judgement of the Left, examine your own world view. I can tell the majority of you what one point of your schema is: Democrats are communistic, socialistic, lazy, atheistic, morally relativistic or hedonistic, good-for-nothing loafers. I'm just inferring that from the numerous comments I see in these columns about "the Left this" and "the Left that". You all treat the entire political Left as one big monolithic structure.

That's your schema, or at least one part of it.

Now go pull that tree out of your eye before picking the splinters from mine. I try to distinguish between the far Right, the far Religious Right, and the center-Right, but I too sometimes fail. I admit mine.

Gender Profiling
I often hear the argument that because blacks are a larger percentage of the prison population than they are the population in general, there's racism in our laws. Well, if that's the case, then in the name of men everywhere I am standing up for gender profiling and unconscious sexism. Men make up about half the population but make up over 90% of the prison population. Why do law enforcement officials have a bias against men?

If that arguments sounds stupid, and you're saying to yourself that men just commit more crimes than women, congratulations for using your brain. Why do you turn it off when examining other differences between groups?

white crime
"When was the last time you were reluctant to be on the street at night for fear of being embezzled."

Tough call: What's worse getting mugged for what's in my wallet one night or getting mugged for my pension and employment. I'd take the former.

Gender Profiling
"I often hear the argument that because blacks are a larger percentage of the prison population than they are the population in general, there's racism in our laws."

It is possible that Blacks commit many crimes AND there is racism in our laws (like the differences in sentencing and prosectution between powder cocaine and crack - which are basically the same drug).

Nevertheless, nice straw man argument you put forth.

cew-smoke
Yeah, I can't figure it out. No apparent rhyme or reason.

cew-smoke,
"Do some of the posts here on TH get deleted? I have seen some pretty rank/inflammatory posts before, so I can't figure they are deleting based on that. However, I often (read: daily) encounter replies to posts that are nowhere to be found. Anyone know the skinny?"

Sometimes, they do get deleted (I haven't noticed a daily occurance, but certainly every few days). I believe it has something to do with the "flag as offensive" button under each post. I'm thinking that any post that gets tagged with that is reviewed by Townhall, and if they deem it offesive, it's yanked.

tubbs: crime stats
Your posting of crime statistics and the proportion of white crime vs. black crime is extremely selective and misleading. You didn't post a source URL, so I'll post it for you. You took your comments from someone's interpretation of a CDC study that can be seen at http://www.lipmagazine.org/~timwise/sinsofomission.html.

However, why you think it is authoritative to use some commentary on a Center for Disease Control study on crime is beyond me. I would go directly to the FBI for reliable crime stats. So I did. See http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/arrests/index.html.

There you will find that except for the one category of alcohol-related crimes (which was prominent in the commentary extract you chose to post), blacks commit a disproportionate number of crimes. Overall, blacks commit 27.8% of crimes, yet represent only about 12% of the population. For violent crimes among juveniles, blacks commit 49.8% of the crimes.

I would invite everyone to browse the actual FBI statistics, rather than trust Tubbs' interpretation of a commentary from a government agency concerned with disease.

Corrected links
TH included the periods in the links of my previous post, so they don't work as is. The correct links are http://www.lipmagazine.org/~timwise/sinsofomission.html for the commentary on the CDC report and http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/arrests/index.html for the FBI crime statistics.

tubbs
Thanks Tubbs, for making our point.

When Coyoty says "To stare the truth in the eye and have an honest reaction to it is racist" (to a liberal). People are afraid of telling the truth because they run the risk of being called a racist."

Your reaction is to say you are not afraid of the truth but "Yes, as we can see from some of these posts, racism is still a problem."

Thank you for making his point. THAT is exactly what is to be expected from 'liberals'. Be careful. If you go on expressing your views in such detail, you'll no doubt make Mike Adams point concerning those most likely to commit unconscious racism.

usefulness of the CDC report
Although it is nice to see someone use real data (or at least commentary on real data) I can see two significant problems in using that CDC report (found at http://www.cdc.gov/HealthyYouth/yrbs/index.htm). The first is that it relies on self assessment by students, and districts were free to remove questions from the survey, so in methodology there is a lot of wiggle room. The second and more important one is that the data relies on teens in school. If we want to talk about statistics, we need to factor in that black students are almost twice as likely to drop out as white students (http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2002/droppub_2001/), and my guess is that given the strong correlation between education level and crime this alone may significantly skew any interpretation of the data to larger trends. Finally, other than the drunk driving stats, none of the other "crimes" listed would typically involve an arrest and jail time (disparate representation in the prison population is usually the greatest evidence of racism in the law enforcement and legal systems). This is not to say that we do not have problems in out courts, just to highlight some of the complexities in applying these statistics.

Larq
Tubbs' selectivity was apparent even without your help (although your research is certainly on point and greatly appreciated). He cited gun OWNERSHIP as if it were a crime (dead liberal giveaway). He talked about drug use, including alcohol.

The crimes that people do hard time for are violent crimes with real victims: armed robbery, assault, rape, and murder. People also do hard time for DEALING drugs, not using them.

Also, since the subject of this thread is racism, black on white crime far exceeds white on black crime, but only whites are accuse of "hate" crimes.

Interesting!
So, "Larq" what about the other disproportionate white crimes I mentioned? Do you have any enlightening points to make about white-collar crime, serial crime, pedophilia, drinking and driving, underage drinking, alcohol-fueled college riots, preemptive war, or illegal wiretapping? I invite readers to research those crimes as well.

And "sloppy" my point about racism (As well as my point about white crime) was directed at those who claimed that people are afraid of the "truth" becaue they do not vigorously engage in debate regarding blacks and crime. In one breath these people decry the "racism" of liberals and in the next they go on to site statistics regrading Blacks and crimes as if criminality was exclusively a Black problem.

Funny how those same people don't seem to get up in arms about "white crime" of which there is plenty.

Percentages vs. Total Numbers
I also find it fascinating that while non-racists like Larq are quick to point out that Blacks commit crimes disproportionate to their number of the population, he/they fail to mention that since blacks make up a much smaller percentage of the population you are FAR MORE LIKELY to be victimized by a white than a black (more white people therefore more white crime).

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_43.html

tubbs
I'm guessing you didn't look at the crime statistics. There are 31 categories listed. I already acknowledged that whites are slightly disproportionate committers of alcohol-related crimes. I will here also acknowledge that for juveniles, in the categories of DUI and liquor law violations, whites are over twice as likely as blacks to commit those crimes. Point taken.

But alcohol-related crimes are only 3 out of 31 categories. Even in the categories that look like white-collar crime, such as fraud, forgery, and embezzlement, blacks are well over twice as likely as whites to commit crimes. I hope you find that enlightening.

No one in this conversation has talked "as if criminality was [sic] exclusively a Black problem," so you don't advance the discussion by making that claim. Anyone who looks at the statistics can see that more crimes are committed by whites than blacks, so such a conclusion would be ridiculous. I am extremely concerned about white crime. But the statistics also make it abundantly clear that in the vast majority of categories, and unquestionably overall, blacks commit more crimes per capita than whites.

Those are facts, inconvenient as you may find them. Ignoring facts, or declaring a discussion of them out of bounds because they are supposedly "racist" does not help us as a society to examine root causes and to attempt to find solutions.

tubbs:
The reason there are laws on the books differentiating between powder and crack cocaine is because black "leaders" like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, as well as black members of Congress, lobbied to get those laws passed because they saw crack having a detrimental effect on blacks in inner cities. They pushed for the laws, knowing crack was more of a black problem, and now they decry the fact that it exists and blacks are treated unfairly by the very law they enacted. The height of liberal hypocrisy.

Tubbs, It must be tiring...........
To be always having an axe to grind. And a chip to carry.

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tubbs writes: Wednesday, September, 27, 2006 12:49 PM
Interesting!
So, "Larq" what about the other disproportionate white crimes I mentioned? Do you have any enlightening points to make about white-collar crime, tubbs writes: Wednesday, September, 27, 2006 12:49 PM
Interesting!
So, "Larq" what about the other disproportionate white crimes I mentioned? Do you have any enlightening points to make about white-collar crime, serial crime, pedophilia, drinking and driving, underage drinking, alcohol-fueled college riots, preemptive war, or illegal wiretapping? I invite readers to research those crimes as well.

And "sloppy" my point about racism (As well as my point about white crime) was directed at those who claimed that people are afraid of the "truth" becaue they do not vigorously engage in debate regarding blacks and crime. In one breath these people decry the "racism" of liberals and in the next they go on to site statistics regrading Blacks and crimes as if criminality was exclusively a Black problem.

Funny how those same people don't seem to get up in arms about "white crime" of which there is plenty.
preemptive war, or illegal wiretapping? I invite readers to research those crimes as well.

And "sloppy" my point about racism (As well as my point about white crime) was directed at those who claimed that people are afraid of the "truth" becaue they do not vigorously engage in debate regarding blacks and crime. In one breath these people decry the "racism" of liberals and in the next they go on to site statistics regrading Blacks and crimes as if criminality was exclusively a Black problem.

Funny how those same people don't seem to get up in arms about "white crime" of which there is plenty.

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MY REPLY:

If we could get white liberals to defend the victims, and not the perpetrator, we would not have all those white crimnals free to commit all those white-collar crime, serial crime, pedophilia, drinking and driving, underage drinking, alcohol-fueled college riots. Who puts road blocks up every step of the way, while law enforcement attempts to protect and enforce our laws? Liberals!!!

Now as for preemptive war, or illegal wiretapping? I all for that. I'm thinking Sryia.

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Tubbs, you're going to have to do better than that. Your attempt at putting conservatives at fault for crime is laughable. For your so called assumptions,point to and da*n liberals. Not conservatives.

My, my. This is way too easy.

Tubbs, I'm sure you'll give your best to "Sheets Byrd" and also to "Two sheets in the wind Kennedy." True crime fighters.


Your wallet or your pension?
tubbs writes:

"What's worse getting mugged for what's in my wallet one night or getting mugged for my pension and employment. I'd take the former."

I'll bet you wouldn't.

I don't know who you are, where you are, or what your experiences are, but if you really believe that, then it is obvious you've never actually been cut, had a gun to your head, or fought off multiple attackers.

A close friend of mine has been through the first of those experiences, a girl I used to date through the second, and I've personally been through the third. In my friend and ex's cases, both had their money and anything that looked valuable taken.

In my case, I don't even know if they were after money or not, I was just walking home (5 blocks total)and three thugs were behind me, started yelling things that involved words like "casper", "peckerwood" and "mutha-" (what was that you said about hate crimes?). Next thing I know I'm surrounded on three sides and, well, thank God for steel toes and brass knucks. The apparent low pain threshold of my attackers was pretty helpful too.

All of these happened within a few blocks of my former residence at the corner of Charles and 23rd streets in Baltimore (along with lots of other things, too numerous to ever make the papers). Take my word for it, when faced with real violence, nobody thinks "Gee, at least my pension's safe."

Also,

"And these statistics do not touch on white collar crime which is disproprtionately committed by whites (and far more pervasive and damaging to our society than the black drug dealer on the corner)..."

Really? Exactly how many bodies were left in the wake of the Enron scandal? Worldcom? Tyco? Adelphia? How many neighborhoods do you know of where good, decent citizens live in fear and can't go outside at night because Ken Lay might get them?

If I had to guess, I'd say you're a high school or college aged white kid (big cut-&-paste of someone else's article, use of numerous liberal buzzwords like "pension", "white collar crime" and "torture", mistaking ignorance for wit, etc.). Check out the real world sometime kid, at least before you try to lecture others on it.

go ahead and say it tubbs
All white policemen are racist bigots!

You know you want to, just post it and be done with it.


White Crime
Hmm...so listening in on phone conversations with terrorists is racist? Oh sorry, you were just trying to make the side point that our president is a criminal. Or maybe you prefer Hugo Chavez's take, that he is the devil.

The height of liberal hypocrisy?
Wow, "right is its own defense", do you have like some legislative history or an article or one scintilla of evidence to back up that point?

The sentencing guidelines were established in 1986 and 1988 by the Anti Drug Abuse Acts of 1986 and 1988. I believe these were Republican Administrations (Reagan, Bush Sr.) correct?

Issue at hand
I have to say that I found Mike's illustration about DePaolo much less than inspiring. I find it a stretch to see racism in having guests come in the front door, and workers in a back door, even if all of the workers were black, and all of the guests were white. If DePaolo only hires blacks, that may be cause for concern, but would it be racists against blacks for considering them only worthy of working in her home, or against whites for not thinking they were able to perform the tasks.

In fact I think one of my complaints about this society in general is that people see affront where there isn't any. I tend to get along with everyone who gives me more than a first impression, because I assume positive motivations. That singular attitude makes life much more pleasant, and prevents nearly all cases of real or perceived mistreatment in day to day dealings.

unconscious unconscious racism
What about “unconscious racism” as a self-denegation? For example here is the dialog of a conversation I had with a coworker, who was of partial African extraction out of the blue one day in 1993:

Me: Michael, how would you describe yourself demographically? I mean how would you categorize yourself?

Michael: Hmm… I am a young, black, man, in-

Me: Whoa! Do you realize what you just did?

Michael: What? What did I do?

Me: You put “black” before “man”. You put skin color before your humanity, and you just segregated yourself in your mind from the part of the world that is not “black males”. As far as I know, not many Caucasians put their skin color before their humanity.

Michael: Wow… I never thought about it like that…

Me: Neither had I until just then.

With “leaders” like Jackson, Sharpton, and Farrakhan this kind of embedded, unconscious racism will exist until real come to prominence.




Big Whiskey Sam
I am sorry to hear that those things happened to you and your friends just as I'm sure you are sorry to hear of lynchings, raping, and slavery that have happened to Blacks at the hands of whites.

Point AGAIN being: if you think "Black" crime is somehow scarier or more of a problem than "white" crime, then you like Larq and the rest of the Bush cheerleading squad are truly ignoring the facts.

D'oh
that was supposed to be "real leaders"...

Black crime
Nowhere that I could find did Big Whiskey Sam say anything whatsoever about being more afraid of black crime. He simply made the point that to put stealing your pension on the same level as being forcibly mugged is ignorant.

Whoa! Tubbs got something right!
"I am sorry to hear that those things happened to you and your friends just as I'm sure you are sorry to hear of lynchings, raping, and slavery that have happened to Blacks at the hands of whites."

You're right. I don't particularly like the idea of violence being done against anyone.

Rape? An atrocious constant since the dawn of time, committed by people of all races creeds and colors against people of all races, creeds and colors, certainly including their own. It's unacceptable, regardless of who does it.

Lynchings? They suck. The upside is that they have become statistcally rare these days, at least in the US. We don't string up heretics anymore, we don't burn "witches" at the stake, and even the race based lynchings you seemed to be refering to are almost non-existent anymore (James Byrd and Reginald Denny, an attempted lynching, are the only two that come to mind offhand).

Slavery? Again, sucks. But seriously, those days are long since over. All the whites in who enslaved blacks in this country are dead, along with all the blacks who were enslaved, and the horse the left keeps beating on this issue.


pretty irrelevant
I am not going to be in this discussion, because I think it is pretty irrelevant. Sure Blacks commit crimes at great rate than whites, and since there are many more whites then Blacks Whites commit more crimes. The FBI statistics are interesting, but because states and local jurisdictions are not required to report their crime information it is not really as complete as one might think.

Blacks certainly commit more Federal Crimes, but part of that is of course, the District of Columbia, which is a majority black city. People who commit crimes in the District end up in Federal Prison. Then one has to consider drug crimes, which also often prosecuted at the Federal Level. Blacks are certainly disproportionately represented in street level drug crimes.

Now if you live in some majority white state in a majority white community, the person who kills or rapes your wife or daughter will mostly like be a white man. The person who breaks into your house in the afternoon will be a young white man who lives in your neighborhood. The person who assaults your son in a bar fight will also likely be a young white man who lives in your neighborhood.

I guess the thing that struck me most in comments so far was this comment by

Coyoty Wednesday, September, 27, 2006 10:06 AM

The Great Racism Lie

"When I was in college one of my courses was "Crime and Delinquency". Government statistics at that time said that 87% of all felonies in the U.S. were committed by the Black sector, which made up only 11% of the population."

Of course, the comment is vague, but I cannot fathom a time when blacks committed 87% of felonies in the US. Since a felony is any crime that lands one in prison for more than 1 year. I simply do not believe that is a remotely correct statistics; it is just not possible, base simply on the FBI stats.

Since most crimes go unsolved we have no idea race of most preps, and since most crimes are handled at local jurisdictions we do not have stats on 100% of the crimes to claim 87% percent of the felonies were committed by Blacks. States that are 90 percent white in a country that is 87 percent white are unlikely to have the majority of their prison population being black. Let alone close to 90%. I just feel very confident that most criminals in Vermont are white. Just like, I feel very confident (not counting congress people and lobbyist) that most criminals in DC are Black.

Another thing to consider is the South, which has large black populations, is also more law and order oriented. I mean, are you surprised when child a rapist gets months in prison in New England and statutory rape in some southern states is a felony. I recently read about a man in Nebraska who was arrest over 240 times. They described some of his crimes and said they were all misdemeanors. Some of crimes were driving under the influence and burglary. Repeated DUI and burglaries are not misdemeanors in Virginia.

My Drug Schema
If it's a case dealing with meta-amphetemine; it just has to be a white guy in Iowa. Possibly in a wheel chair, put there by an explosion in his lab. That's why I don't live in Iowa, cold medicine is just too hard to buy there.


Profiling
As someone with red hair, I get profiled all of the time. See the South Park episode on "Gingers" for references.

I have also been pulled over in a predominantly black neighborhood at night by a black cop while delivering pizzas. He assumed that because I was a young white guy in the neighborhood that I was there to buy drugs. I was there to sell pizza. (Of course some would say that that was worse because I contributed to the higher heart disease rate of the neighborhood.) He told be to deliver my pizza and get out of the neighborhood as fast as I could.

Was he profiling me, or the neighborhood? A dilemma for the liberals. Was he racist? I don't think so. Either way, he's guilty of prejudice. (See Dr. Williams recent articles)

Opium?
Must be a Chinee in San Francisco.

Kilos of powder cocaine? A Colombian, or Mexican. Smaller amounts? everybody else.


Malt liqour in 40 0z. bottles? Black

Jack Daniels? White

Bacardi Rum? Puerto Rican or Cuban.


Working with prisoners
Tubbs,

As a pastor I work with a number of people who are in trouble with the law, including blacks and whites , drug dealers and murders, so of whom are now part of my church. I would completely agree that there is prejudice in the system, and that some of the predjudice might be racial. On the other hand, far and away the most prejudice that I see is not race related but class related. As one of the earlier posters said we have a tendency to put people into a schema.

I guarantee you that an upper middle class black professional that can hire their own lawyer will face much less discrimination than someone perceived as "white trash."

My biggest problem with talking about race is that it deflects from the larger issues of prejudice, and from dealing with the real causes of crime, such as complete family breakdown. A much larger indicator(than race) for legal problems is single parent homes. Black and white leaders who speak to the lower classes, need to stop talking to their constituents about the problem in the governmental system, and begin to challenge people with the problems in their family and individual systems. Changes in the governmental system will never solve the problems of people who continue make bad choices.

tubbs:
Ok, now I realize just how ignorant you are. If you're going to pin every single act passed to the administration and the president that signed it, then you're ignoring the role of congress entirely. Does Bill Clinton get credit for signing a bill, like welfare reform, that he was against but knew he had to sign because there were enough votes to override a veto anyway? Never mind that the people who proposed and sponsored the bill are some of the same people that oppose it now. Diversion, diversion, diversion. That's the liberal playbook and you're following it to the letter. It's sad. When you have no arguments to counter, you can't possibly say that you're wrong, so you just try to divert attention to something that isn't even relevant. People on townhall.com are usually smart enough to see right through it. So sad...

tubbs and conservative_librarian:
Tubbs: It's also possible that more whites are able to afford better lawyers than blacks, and that judges may be more inclined to give a white man probation for a first offense than a black man. The first is not racism, the second may be. We can't read the judges' minds.

Conservative_librarian: Thanks for the critique on the CDC report methodology. That's very enlightening. It's kind of like not including in unemployment figures people who have stopped looking for work.

I got some facts wrong
Here is some of the Nebraska story. I did get some facts wrong. He was arrested 226 times. It looks like he committed at least three felonies. Interesting he's not the worst offender some folks have over 500 arrests. Nebraska is getting tougher on crime. That is a good thing.

"Holder's latest run-in with the law was Sunday morning, when Lincoln police arrested him after a short pursuit.
"He had burglar tools in his possession he had goods taken out of four different cars," Casady said.

His list of charges includes theft, trespassing, assault, resisting arrest, possession of drug paraphernalia and child abuse. Many of Holder's offenses are misdemeanors for which he paid fines and was released. He spent 18 months in prison beginning in 1990, four years in 1996 and another year in 2002.

"Your average Nebraskan thinks after a prisoner has committed a certain number of crimes (he) will be put away for a long period of time. That doesn't happen," Casady said.
Even with Holder's 226 arrests, Casady said, he doesn't even crack the top 10 habitual criminal list. Casady said there are a number of people that have over 500 arrests.

A habitual criminal law in Nebraska states that if someone spends a year in prison on each of two prior felonies and is found guilty on a third felony, a judge has to sentence him or her to 10 to 65 years if the prosecutor seeks it. It does not apply to misdemeanors."

here you go, tubbs:
Here's your proof. Charlie Rangel in his own words saying he sponsored the original crack sentencing legislation:

http://www.november.org/razorwire/rzold/03/0304.html


To my conservative friends
To my conservative friends out there, I would caution you against an us versus them mentality when it comes to criminals. Very often I get the sense from conservatives that if we just locked up all the bad people our lives would be okay. This translates in to classifying some people bad, while we of course are really the good ones.

Baloney, the reality is that we all make mistakes, and Tubbs by pointing out that crimes that are found more heavily among upper class people (not just whites) are not as heavily penalized. My Christian beliefs put us all equal at the foot of the cross and no one can claim to be good on their own, but I often hear good "Christians" talking about criminals in such a way that they are much worse than I am.

When we classify some people as bad, then they never have the opportunity to change. I once heard a prosecutor say, "This type of person never changes" of a woman who had begun attending my church after committing her crime. She had already begun to change, but in his mind, she was "this type of person", so she could never change.

This system will not work, because if this type of person never changes then we are in trouble. With the deteriation of values and the number of screwed up families in the country there are more and more of "this type of person," and we will soon not be able to warehouse them all.

If you want to read more about proactive conservative approaches to dealing with criminals check out http://www.pfm.org

at least
at least Rangel was man enough to admit he was wrong.

I agree with
Jay_in_Milwaukee and eon. Hey Jay did u lose your job to a software programmer from India?
And what makes me a racist puppy?

Oh yeah, the stigma thing
Tubbs-

You were wondering why the same stigma isn't attached to "white" crime as to "black" crime. As examples of white crime you list white-collar-crime, serial crime and hate crime.

Yes, I saw illegal wiretapping, preemptive war and toture in there as well, but to classify these as "white" crime is fallacious at best, disingenuous at worst. These beloved buzzwords of the left are being lobbed at a specific presidential administration, but love him or hate him, George Bush is not all white people. The number of white people (or any people) who have illegally tapped anyone's phone is infintecimal (if that's really a word). To suggest that preemptive war or torture are things whites perpetrate anymore than anyone else shows a profound ignorance of history.

Anyway, the reason for the lack of stigma is real simple. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be any, just that this is why there's not:

It just doesn't hit home.

It's all about emotion (as is stigma). Some faceless twit in a three piece suit who gutted someone else's pension doesn't carry the same emotional weight, with blacks or whites, as do drugs and gang violence. The theft of one's money provokes a little emotion from someone not directly involved, but the taking or ruining of human life provokes alot. Likewise, threats to the flesh provoke more than threats to property.

Blacks are stigmatized by whites (and by other blacks, make no mistake) for these crimes because they are so much more prevalent in areas predominately populated by blacks, and because a greater proportion of blacks, particularly of young black males, commit them.

Again, don't tell me I'm wrong unless you've been there, which if you have, you know I'm not.

Serial crime also fails to hit home because it is so localized and so statistically rare. An axe murderer in Saginaw Michigan poses no real threat to anyone in Washington DC, but the street gangs in its southeast quadrant do, and it's the exact same threat as that posed by the bangers and thugs, again predominately black, in Baltimore, Newark, Atlanta, Chicago, and every other city in this country.

Hate crime? Now here you've found a spot where whites indeed are stigmatized, particularly for two things you brought up: lynchings and slavery. Indeed, it seems like white people will never live these things down, despite the fact that precious few alive today have ever been involved in either (and none in slavery).

But both are pretty much obsolete, so why the stigma for them and not the much more prevalent "white-collar-crimes" as you put it? Same reason. Pictures of Martha Stewart in an orange jumpsuit just don't strike the same chord as 70-year-old photos of "strange fruit" on trees in Georgia.

Likewise, blacks are stigmatized for hate crimes against whites (which is much more common than the reverse). A white walking through a black neighborhood is not unaware that he or she is, at least potentially, very much a target.

And to think: somehow, this dicussion was prompted by Mike Adams being left alone in a room with a white crackhead.

Life in a rural area
Big Whiskey Sam-good, good post!! If anyone wants to see for themselves what kind of crime is "scarier", then I advise you to come up where I live. Just happens to be about 99% white and although there is petty crime, mostly domestic or DUI, there is NONE compared to a normal week in any large city where blacks are busy killing (usually each other), robbing, raping and just generally disrespecting civilization as a whole. Decades go by up here in the frozen north where there are no murders or rapes. BUT, when one does happen in these rural, mostly white areas, guess who is the perpetrator? Now what is one to make of that?! This was the case recently in Valley City, ND.

I'm with coyoty...sick and tired of being kept in my "place" by apologists for black pathologies. I would love , befriend and admire any black folks who were kind, decent, hardworking and neighborly. I know they're out there by the millions. It's just too bad they aren't the loudest.

CDC
This may be an ignorant question, but why in the world would the Center for Disease Control think it is the appropriate venue for researching crime statistics?

That seems like a big waste of taxpayer dollars, when they could instead just go to another agency, like the FBI, that is more suited to such research and use already established crime statistics for any links/assertions they wanted to explore.

I'd rather the CDC spend it's time on diseases, personally.

Crime
Blacks are killing thousands of white people every year and have been for a long time. Its not politically correct to mention it and i've never seen it discussed directly in the media, but every reasonably aware person in the country knows it. As an aside, i would be curious as to the relative numbers of blacks lynched and murdered by whites and whites killed by blacks in the course of committing holdups and otyher felonies. My cousin was murdered in cold blood in Atlanta while mowing his front lawn. Just as blacks were aware of white on black crime, so whites are aware of black on white crime. A small percentage of black folks may well think they are getting even. Do they realize they are very likely creating in some small percentage of white folks an animosity that will persist another generation. My own dealings with black folks have been at least as positive as my dealings with white folks, so its easy for me to maintain a positive regard. I doubt if my cousin's wife or son has it so easy.

Big Whiskey Sam
fyi: its a word, you just mis-spelled : infinitesimal
Good posts, by the way!

Tubbs proves Dr Adams point.
Big Whiskey Sam wrote about assaults with no qualifiers as to race. Tubbs (using unconscious racism) determined that Sam was saying that the perpetrators were black.

I can just imagine what category Tubbs would place me if I mentioned that I was retired military, disabled vet, special operations, christian, etc.

JymG
Thanks for your career, JymG. I know its been you and people like you for 250 years who have enabled my decent life. The only way i can hold my head up is knowing i toted a Garand for 3 years.
When i was in college, i used to tell girls that girls are difficult to discuss things with because they always take things personally. The girl would invariably say "I do not!!!" I would just gaze in silence as they figured it out. Same waay with most of the left, and all of the vocal ones. They destroy their statements with their own internal convictions and are soon flying away into he said she said did so didnot. After only a couple weeks on this board, ijust watch. There are a dozen reality based conservatives who dismantle the left much better and quicker than i can.

A Few Of You Folks Are Brilliant

The rest of you sound like the Turks and Armenians trying to carry on civilized conversation.

Poor, not Black
I have seen several studies that showed minorities are more likely to serve time/more time than whites for similar crimes. I usually am opposed to the race pimps and their victim mentality, but I do believe from what I've seen that there is still racial disparity in our legal system. However, I think that class plays a much bigger role. If you look at the minorities in prison, I would bet most were poor. If you look at the whites in prison, I bet most of them were poor, too. Plenty of upper & middle class people have used drugs or had drug problems. These people rarely do time and often can completely avoid any convictions if they check into rehab voluntarily (I know you can think of a few who have done this). Poor people don't have that option.

Another point: In looking at all sides, you also have to take into consideration that the FBI reports and others giving statistics can only go by actual arrests and/or convictions. It is impossible to know the racial proportions of people actually committing crimes, as most are never caught (including drug dealing & use as crimes). There are alot more police and police operations going on in the ghettos. There are probably more people in rural and suburban areas who buy and sell drugs, but they don't call attention to themselves. They aren't involved in real crime, like stealing or violent behavior, so they are less likely to be arrested and added to those statistics. Police don't generally roust suburbanites without probable cause, but it happens all the time in poor neighborhoods.

Someone posted the other day something about most drug users being poor. I have trouble believing the poor are buying billions of dollars worth of drugs. It's just the poor who do the time.

Mike
Spending a little time with these pathetic people at the crack house... didn't it make you wonder just what is being accomplished in this war against these people? Over a trillion dollars and the drug problem is much worse than when the war started. An honest debate of drug policy is needed. I've never smoked crack and I'm not advocating it, but are these folks really more dangerous than our Islamic Facist (or whatever we're calling them) enemies? Isn't there a better way to deal with social problems?

Interesting
to read the comments...

your wrong anti-Muhammed
Racism will exist forever. Sin is the reason for racism.
totally not true racism will only exist as long as people let it exsits. it is possible for people to let go of there hate but only if they are ready for it.

your wrong anti-Muhammed
Racism will exist forever. Sin is the reason for racism.
totally not true racism will only exist as long as people let it exsits. it is possible for people to let go of there hate but only if they are ready for it.

chr335, and all
define racism.

to determine if it is ever to be eradicated, it must be defined.

Parsimony
This opinion piece has skipped a few steps in conventional evaluation. This approach, regrettably, is not uncommon in contemporary culture. Ideally one endeavors to explain a series of events in the simplest terms possible. Only when such explanations prove inadequate does one move to more complex explanations. The author did not do this. Instead he jumped to a complex explanation, based his explanation of a series of random events on a term not well-defined, and a term that is, frankly, a bit logically absurd.

Unconscious racism is a problematic concept, though has found acceptance through chain of use among the academic elite. The problem is in the definitions of these words not jiving with the use. (I’m about to commit a serious violation of liberal education dogma in what I’m fittin to say, but words do have meaning and referent.) Unconscious refers to an action occurring below the threshold of an individual’s conscious awareness, and generally refers to acts that are involuntary. Racism refers to a judgment that one race is inferior to another. Judgment, whether a good judgment or a bad judgment, implies having thought about the topic to be judged.

In evaluating any subject, a little common sense goes a long way. Employee entrances are not unusual. The racial composition of the staff may be a coincidence. One way to evaluate this would be to determine if the rule was in place before the majority of the staff was 'black.' If it was not, was the expressed or implied reason for creating the rule a response to the racial composition of the staff? If the answers to either question are ‘no,’ then in what way is unconscious racism a good explanation of this series of events?

Concerning the colleague, who hardly seemed collegial, and his 'cross burning' statement, again I think the author has jumped to a hasty and complex conclusion when a simpler more deliberate one would have sufficed. Where is one more likely to find crack houses? Urban areas or non-urban areas? What segment of the population tends to live in urban areas? Rich or poor? In this country, who tends to be poor and living in urban areas? "Blacks" or non-blacks? From what the author has posted, his colleague may be guilty of a crude induction, one that may or may not be valid, but to accuse him of 'unconscious racism' - a nebulous and illogical concept at best - is, well 'sh!tting higher than one's a$$.' Correct him if the “facts” he is using to make this induction are really not facts, but do not label him a racist, conscious or otherwise. Doing so is so gross and harmful. That term should only apply to those that truly deserve it.

To me, the interesting part of this discussion, cohering with my experiences during my "higher education," is in the quick tendency of educated people to label those around them prejudiced.

Jim

Racism is a tough nut to crack
not ashamed to be right: I liked your post and I agree, everyone is racist to some extent.

I know I am racist to some extent, I'm sure it comes from the experiences I've had with certain races of people in our society. What's interesting to me is that I don't think in terms of racism towards EVERYONE of a particular race, but when a pattern of behavior emerges it's hard for me not to observe it.

I don't feel threatened, skeptical, angry or mistrustful of Asians, Hispanics and some others. But, I do have an issue with some Black people, not all, but certainly more than other races. My experience with some Blacks is a consistent pattern of behavior: Angry, Violent, Blame Whites and others for their choices, Racists towards other races(which I find fascinating)Victimized and lack accountability and responsibility for choices.

I love it when I meet someone who is Black and is NOT as I described above, but in NY it's more often than not that the schema is in plain view to me. YET, I really respect people like Bill Cosby, Condi Rice, Madge Sinclair, James Earl Jones, and many, many others of which their names I cannot recall at this moment.

So it leaves me confused to the level of what others would consider me racist. I guess my experiences become the stronger indicator of how I judge certain races, but then, do they take responsibility that THEY helped created it, I know it didn't exist in me as a kid. The "N" word wasn't something I considered calling someone or other racial slurs, but as I grew up the experiences of interactions with certain races moved me to a place of feeling anger toward them, thus my racial slurs would emerge.

Certainly my goal is to eliminate this from my core being and it has disipated over time, but unfortunately it still exists on some levels but I remind myself that each person I meet can be a jerk regardless of their race.

Children are not born racists, certainly some situations growing up may present themselves in a manner that portrays racism, but I would bet that large percentage of racism comes from parents. How those situations are handled are what shape character.

You want to read a great book, check out Juan Williams recent book "Enough". I just finished it and I really liked his candor and Bill Cosby's about the Black community and how they've raped/hijacked the Brown v. The Board of Education decision to bring them out of "bondage".

BTW - I have a niece and nephew that are both Black from my sister's boyfriend of 8 years, so living with different races wasn't anything I wasn't exposed to growing up.

defining racism
chr335, and all
define racism.

to determine if it is ever to be eradicated, it must be defined

Well the classical defintion(sp?) is the belief that one race is genetically supperior(darn my spelling) to all other races.

Today most people have may racism synonomus to bigotry (stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.) which is not entrirely true however no matter which way you define racism it is possible to end it by letting go of hate.

Well, I don't have a sense of hate...
...in my reaction to Black males/females who react angrily towards whites, unprovoked.

I remember as a 10 year old waiting at a bus stop in busy downtown San Diego. Two Black males approached me, grabbed me, threatened me if I didn't give my money to them. Clearly at that age I had nothing more than a dollar or two, but imagine what an experience like that could create in a child?

The same could be said of the Black child who gets called the "N" word and not understanding why someone would call him/her that name. (which I find interesting, we can call gay people, fags, homos, call women disparaging names but we can't say the "N" word - such a strange standard)

The erradication of racism can happen but it means we need to stop allowing people to use it as a defense, we need to stop talking about it, we need to observe people's behavior and make choices surrounding that behavior.

We have laws now that stand against racism, if an individual has cause for bringing a case of racism to their employer, school, or business, then, as in all cases of discrimination, they need to provide EVIDENCE to the fact and go from there. Making an accusation is NOT evidence it's just inflamatory to bring suspicion and deflection.

Additionally, the observation should include the idea, "if people here feel this way about me, why would I want to stay, even if I win a lawsuit, do I want to be part of an organizatin that behaves in this manner?". It doesn't mean to lay down and not take appropriate action to help shift the system of which one is a part of, but why would you want to continue to be a victim of something so harsh?

I feel the same about gay people - shut up about it. I don't care; others don't care, come out, don't come out, whatever, just live your life.

If someone wants to hate me because I'm over 40, feel free, I don't care - you just can't beat me up, abuse me, discriminate, or legislate against me without legal consequences - which is how it should be for all races, sexual orientations, or genders.

Getting rid of hate and racism
I'd like to think its possible, but its a pipe dream. The unfortunate part is that there is always going to be some nut job who convinces a lot of people to hate. Look at Hitler. Look at Bin Laden. Look at the Klan here in the States. Look at the Black Panthers.

Another trouble with the premise of getting rid of hate is that what defining what is not to be hated. Sounds vague, I know, but if you say that racism is to eradicated, aren't you in a sense hating racism, and likely those who espouse racism? This, then becomes its own sort of hate. So what is to be hated-- the belief or the people? Well, obviously the belief, but is that the reality of it? No.

Also, getting rid of hate can be dangerous. Hate, believe it or not, can be a positive emotion-- if applied in the right situations. One should hate evil and those who do evil-- we all know what true evil is. If we don't hate evil, evil will over take us.




studies
I seems some are bent on believing any document published as being "authoritative" and "comprehensive" and "factual". Does this not apply to The Bell Curve?

Racist
The most racist people I have ever met are those who scream racism every chance they get. Not only do they only fuel their own paranoid hate, but the dilute the struggle against those our there who really are racist or bigots.

It's the boy who cried wolf, except he himself was the wolf.
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