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Friday, October 03, 2008
Michelle Malkin :: Townhall.com Columnist
Dear Congress: Put the Gun Down
by Michelle Malkin
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Will 2008 be the year of the Chicken Little Congress? Or can the House of Representatives show the panic-driven Senate what it really means to be a deliberative body?

On Sept. 19, Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson put a gun to America's head: Pass his $700 billion bailout of the banking industry and give him unfettered new powers to buy up an ocean of privately held toxic assets, or all hell would break loose. Treasury officials warned that the market would lose a third of its value if the bill were not passed immediately.

"We could see falls of 3,000 or 4,000 points on the Dow," a Republican official heaved. "We may not have another day," Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid hyperventilated. "We can't afford to do nothing," echoed all the other Democratic Henny Pennys and Republican Goosey Looseys in Paulson's sway. It's a "crap sandwich," House GOP leader John Boehner sighed, but the costs of inaction would be worse.

On Sept. 29, the House refused to bite. The Dow dropped nearly 7 percent -- a "record fall" in points (778), but nowhere near the apocalyptic levels predicted by Paulson's fear-mongers. Half of that drop occurred before the bailout rejection. The skies, however gray, did not fall. The world did not end. The dire predictions of Paulson and company did not come to pass. The next day, stocks (their barometer, mind you, not necessarily mine) rebounded. We're about where we were in 2006. Stock market Armageddon? I think not.

Paulson's monumental misjudgment is no surprise to those who have paid attention to him over the last year. This is the man who proclaimed the subprime crisis "largely contained" in April 2007; "near the bottom" in May 2007; and "largely contained" again in August 2007. This is the man who pledged that he had "no interest in bailing out lenders or property speculators" in October 2007 and couldn't "think of any situation where the backdrop of the global economy was as healthy as it is today."

This is the man who patted himself on the back for refusing to "put taxpayer money on the line" to rescue Lehman Brothers on Sept. 15 -- and then turned around the next day and engineered the $85 billion taxpayer-funded bailout of AIG. This is the man who vowed he had "no plans to insert money" into Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- and then turned around and committed $200 billion in capital and credit lines to those corrupt, bloated, crumbling institutions.

This is the man who declared that "the worst is likely to be behind us" in May 2008 -- and then got down on his knees in front of Nancy Pelosi to pass a Mother of All Bailouts plan whose dollar figure was plucked from thin air. ("It's not based on any particular data point," a Treasury spokeswoman told Forbes.com. "We just wanted to choose a really large number.")

This is a man, in other words, whose crap sandwich should be taken with a huge grain of salt.

On Oct. 1, at the behest of Paulson, the Senate scurried to put Mother of All Bailouts 2.0 on the table. All but 25 members swallowed. The "world's greatest deliberative body" had no time to hold hearings, consider alternatives or study the history of similar failed bailouts around the world. The Do Something Now Or Else mob did, however, have time to quadruple the volume of pages and stuff the urgent emergency package with business-as-usual earmarks, goodies and sweeteners.

John McCain and Barack Obama both cited credit squeeze scare stories to rationalize the rush. McCain decried: "When small businesses and big businesses like Sonic [Drive-In burger] franchisees can't borrow … [i]t hurts the entire community." The rest of the story? Sonic clarified that "during the past year GE Capital provided less than 10 percent of the lending to its franchisees … in fact, many franchisees maintain access to other diversified sources of financing. Furthermore, Sonic has not received any notification from GE Capital, either directly or indirectly, that it will stop financing new loans to Sonic franchisees."

Lost in all the End is Nigh frenzy were dozens of local and regional headlines across the country reporting that, in fact, the end is not nigh: "Wall Street Credit Crisis Rings Hollow on Main Street"; "No credit freeze on Kern's Main Street"; "Community banks aren't yet feeling pinch of Wall Street meltdown"; "Farmers still able to get banks' loans"; "Small town Main Street doing better than Wall Street."

Instead, The New York Times obsessed about the drop in auto loan approvals over the last year -- from 83 percent in 2007 down to 63 percent. Catastrophe? No. If lenders are finally realizing they shouldn't give money to bad risks, why is that a bad thing?

Getting credit is not a constitutional right. Preserving home ownership should not be a government imperative to be pursued at all costs. The House faces a choice: Put the gun down and give our economic problems the time they deserve to get fixed -- or fork over untold billions to a thoroughly debunked Foxy Loxy and his den of wolves.

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"Henry Adams"
I am truly afraid for our nation! I am a decendent of Henry Adams, great great grandfather to our second president John Adams and his brother Samual Adams "the Maltster".

There should be no question that the founding of our great country was on principle, morality and controvercially I'll add, the fear of GOD!!

Principle has been replaced by selfish desire. Morality has become molested and twisted into how one can achieve the most votes for the sole purpose of aquiring money and power and the lack of fear of a higher power has turned into no real reprocussions for these behaviors.

Government needs to be cleaned up. People need to understand that they are loosing thier rights and advocating Socialism. Our courts are diseased and most Americans are in one or more ways too illiterate or disfunctional to truly understand the nature of these problems.

We the people must take back our futures and the futures of our decendents if we honor the sacrifices of those like my great great grandfather, who ironiclly helped to ensure the freedom we have.

Let us not use these freedoms to destroy ourselves!!

No regulation?
The Democrats are saying that this crisis was caused by a lack of regulation. But there was no lack of regulation. Far more important than any GOVERNMENT regulation was the regulation provided by the LAWS OF ECONOMICS. One of those laws is, "If you make bad decisions in business, you lose your business". This kind of regulation, far more than any "bill" or "act" passed by Congress, ensures that capitalism works, for the good of all. But Congress, in its infinited wisdom, has just repealled this natural economic law, once and for all.

Who's de-regulating now?!

Regards,
Trevor

My kingdom for a LEADER
What we trully need is a LEADER. It's as if I'm re-visiting the 20's and the 30's all over again. At that time, the western countries needed a leader to trump the rise of the AXIS POWER. We got none that could unite the whole world against the coming evil. And, because of this we will pay a heavy price, for the coming houlocost. I'm sorry to say that when we finally get a leader,he will be just as evil as the other side. And, we will welcome him with open arms.

When did you get that lobotomy?
There are NO GOP fingerprints on this gold-plated turd. NOT ONE!! If there was you'd see the DimocRATs absolve THEMSELVES and go after the one Repub's scalp with all the media cheering them on.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Go 'Cuda, GO!!

Put Down the Gun
We can now lay to rest the notion that the Reagan Revolution was anything other than an illusion performed with smoke, mirrors, and free market ideology. All of this brought to you by the GOP, the party that wrecked America. Get ready for a pervasive change that is sweeping America. Good bye culture war. Sorry, it's time to quit calling names, and start working together. We are all in this together.

Good to see
at least one Californian who can speak English.

ms. daniel, CA
This blog isn't about Governor Palin, in fact, she's not even referenced in this article. Can't you guys ever stay on point?

Oh, I forgot, facts and reality are irrelevant to socialists and liberals.

Keep drinking that kool-aid, kid. It'll be better soon.

I LOVES ME SOME TENNESSEE!!!

Now, I for one don't buy those trolls who say that good whiskey has made Tennesseeans go off. Nope. Not gonna do it.

But you're right about one thing: McCain has been Dominating The News Cycle:

http://www.236.com/video/2008/get_your_war_on_news_cycle_1_ 9305.php


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Speaking of guns
All the polls show Obama ahead of McCain. The media is setting up a showdown in the streets. The 98% who will vote for Obama will be furious. The polls don't reflect reality. As much as I hate McCain, and I am not voting for him, he will win by a landslide. The 98% will claim the election was stolen. After all, the polls say Obama should be the winner. Ladies and gentlemen, it is time to load your guns and protect yourself and your family. In four weeks, there will be savages rioting, burning and looting in the streets.

MS. HIGHLANDER: FORCED PREGNANCIES


...is the point. Her rapture-related worldview dictates women bear their rapists' offspring.

And THAT is way too extreme for America.

That's the point.

...America cannot afford a Palin in any position of power.

That she would force her narrow views on America is the point.


Next.


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NANCY POLSIS FAVORITE SONG!
BURNING DOWN THE HOUSE!AND A SONG FROM AROUND 92,IVE GOT THE POWER-,IVE GOT THE POWER????NANCY THE RADICAL LIBERAL,WOW!!

daniel, CA
Aside from taking a cheap and unnecessary shot at Governor Palin, your point is exactly what?

Back to the kool-aide fountain, dan. The Daily KOS needs you back.

PALIN RAPE KIT CHARGES

"According to our friends over at Politifact, while Wasilla had such a rape kit policy while Palin was mayor, there is no evidence that she explicitly endorsed it. "Wasilla clearly had the policy. Bloggers have portrayed it as a heartless rule seeking money from rape victims, but they have neglected to mention that the policy seems to have been aimed more at getting money from insurance companies than from victims. We can’t find that Palin ever commented on the policy, pro or con. But as mayor, she indirectly endorsed it by approving city budgets that relied on the revenue."

Alaska has the highest rape incidence and THIS is how she fails to respond?

SHAME.


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Michelle, please run?
You should be in the Senate or House and lead these weak nitwits.
When those who have tried to lead our country and fail they should be bounced out on the ears and not re-elected.
Obambi/Biden are pathetic liars who obfuscate everything, how they fool anyone confuses me.
McCain cannot be a MAN and tell us the truth about getting us free of foreign oil or correcting the economy. His feeble attempts at non-partisanship are laughable. If "crossing the aisle" means buying into the scam of global warming and embracing the policies of Al Gore and his debunked book An Inconvenient Truth[the gospel of Obambi/Biden] I say forget bi-partisanship-STAND FOR YOUR PRINCIPLES
Please run Michelle.

from my blog: Beatles' Revolution
I say we need a revolution
Well, you know
It is time to change the pols
They say they back the Constitution
Well, you know
I'm not sure that graft's the goal
But when you talk about why I doubt
Here they come with another big bail-out
Don't you know it's gonna be a sight
A sight, a Sight!

They say they've got a real solution
Well, you know
They're just bound to raise the tax
They ask us for a contribution
Well, you know
We are trumped by all the PACs
But when you want money for people who failed to plan
All I can tell you is Brother, don't give a damn.
Don't you know it's gonna be a blight
A blight, A Blight!
Ah.

Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah....

I say follow the Constituion
Well, you know
They all want to take our wealth
They should be in an institution
Well, you know
Now they want to subsidize your health
But if they continue to spend all our hard-earned dough
There won't be an engine in USA anymore
Don't you know I wish we could just indict
Indict, indict
Indict (X6)

Good article, Michelle,

I like and rely on the rule of law because it tempers and prevents extreme actions like the recent passage of this onerous socialist bailout bill. The rule of law was apparently not followed in this case, and it makes my blood run hot for removal of the lawless senators & congressmen in our midst.

Where the hell is the reasonable man when we need him?

Having said that, if I vote Republican this year, it will represent my vote for Governor Palin, not John McCain.

Andrew, NY
Nice analysis and comments. If you're not a lawyer, you should be one.

If we are a nation based on laws, and our government does not obey the laws of our land, where does that leave the People?

This is the reason why the People don't like Congress any more. The representatives we send to Washington don't represent our interests, rather just their own interests.

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

Have we just done that?

Hey Mario, FL
If you want a job, do you go to a rich man or a poor man? And if there is no rich man, who do you go to then?

It would seem more reasonable to me to have as many rich people around us as possible.

And guess what. That's America. That's why everyone wants to come here. People here can actually go from being poor to being rich.

Have a nice day.

Bailout Bill isIllegal
There's further insult added to the bailout bill's enormities.
The bailout bill that Bush signed into law today is illegal.
Congress deliberately bypassed the constitutional procedure for making a bill into a law.

The Bailout Bill number is HR 1424, however:
- the House bailout bill, HR 3997, the "Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008", was defeated in the House on 29 Sep 2008.
- HR 1424, the "Paul Wellstone Mental Health and Addiction Equity Act of 2007", was sent to the Senate IN MARCH 2008. (This bill deserved defeat for its title alone.)
- the Senate placed HR 3997 as an "amendment" in HR 1424, and passed it at night on 01 Oct 2008.
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(from the bill)
AMENDMENTS:
Strike all after the enacting clause and insert the following:
DIVISION A--EMERGENCY ECONOMIC STABILIZATION
... (hundreds of pages)
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Therefore, this is not a bill legally sent to the Senate after passage in the House.
It is HR 3997 put into an old cover (and loaded with pork and special interest favors, according to Rush Limbaugh and other radio talk show hosts.)
I'm not sure why this lying was done, but I suspect one or both of the following:
- To rush this thing to the president before the voters know what's going on. This chicanery may have made it possible to avoid numerous required steps such as, "sending to committee."
- To circumvent the Constitution, which requires that all revenue bills (which this bill sure as hell is) orginate in the House. This constitutional provision was specifically intended to assure that those members of Congress who created the tax laws would also be the Representatives, the members most accessible to the voters. The CNN story mentions this at the end,
In bypassing this requirement, Congress hasn't found a loophole; it has committed fraud. Congress is resorting to crime to pass bad (terrible) legislation.

Samoan Pork!!
Wow!! Wading through this bill is quit telling. Amongst others, $33M for companies doing business in American Samoa?? If I remember correctly, back in Jan. of this year, Mrs. Pelosi rejected Samoa from the minimum wage hike; the largest employer there happens to be Starkist which happens to be owned by Del Monte, which, by some quirk, happens to have it's headquarters in San Francisco, Mrs. Pelosi's home turf. She wouldn't be tryig to appease Samoa now, would she? Naww - must be just a coincidence.

baseballdoc
Picture a scenario where Obama wins and starts enacting his job killing taxes.
Democrats are not smart enough to undo something they do wrong, they just keep doing more of the same wrong thing.

When Obama brings America to it's knees, what would happen if some Admiral or General came forward and took control of Government?

Could Obama call up the Irregulars?
They would all have broken ribs from laughing so hard!

What Options would Obama have?
The Irregulars & Militias would side with the General or whoever.
They are predominantly Right Wing.
The left is mostly unarmed Gunophobes.

Bloodless Revolution?

Not much chance of us seeing it.
Obama can't even carry his own Party!

OOPS! Thats LEFT click on the link.
~

Judy
The blue part is a "Link"
right click on it!
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=3036055756 73142

Why are some posts blue? i'm new here...
Does anybody know why some posts are blue in color?

A few good Republicans:
(Hey, where did my edit for my post #119 go?? I said I accidentally said McCain voted "No" for bailout when he actually voted "Yes". I certainly hope there is freedom of speech on this board...I'll look for my edit..Correction..let me know if you find it..
Also, Thanks to Sen.Jim DeMint for his beautiful, inspiring speech on his no vote, and Thanks to Congressman McCotter of MI. Don't vote them all out. Find out how they voted.

Correction re "Despite Palin's good spee
I meant to say, McCain's voting "Yes" on bailout..
I guess I need to try and get some sleep as I've been busy for the past two weeks doing research, typing and calling our so-called Representatives in Congress. Usually, I do not have many typ-o's...time for some zzzzzz's & R&R!!!

Despite Palin's good speech...
I didn't appreciate hearing the word, "Bipartisan", "Maverick", "Reform", and other code words in the speech such as pc terms ..as for McCain's reaching across the aisle to be "Bipartisan" I think he tripped and fell on the Bailout by voting "No". We were very "Bipartisan"--both Dems & Reps, alike, cried a resounding "No"! I think instead she should have and so should McCain have told the truth that it was the Dems who caused this mess with their pc social engineering methods of forcing banks to loan to those who couldn't afford it, and who didn't live up to their mortgage contract agreement. I think she also should have not been afraid to stand up more for faith...ie more strongly on the marriage amendment (without the civil exception lingo that was upon with Joe...that's a slap in the face to African Americans civil rights issues..), and also she should have brought up Obama's stance on the Infant Born Alive vote that even Pelosi voted against. I realize she has to please the middle of the road crowd, but I've had it with compromise, not to mention, McCain's vote for porky pig bailout.

Too Late, Michelle, They Fired The Gun
So, Barney Frank has nearly burnt the economy to the ground, single handedly, with his Fanny / Freddy oversight. Excellent.

Of course, for Democrats, such action deserves accolades, maybe even a promotion. Today, the Democrats stood in line to praise the Arson of Wall Street, Barney Frank, for doing such a good job of putting this Socialist Doctine together.

With this new bill, the nexus of power just officially moved from the citizens to the Government. Hitler would have been proud.

And, a Republican President is about to endorse it.

Sad for us. Very sad.

mad about the bailout
Another reason I'm mad about the bailout, for example, of Ford Motor Co. A lot of us boycotted Ford for having used profits to sponsor gay parades gay ads and refusing to listen to the customer. And now the car companies have been bailed out? Oh, gee, if that the reward for not producing superior products by spending their time on advancing more comfortable and sound engineering? Argghh!!

to Daniel in CA
RE HOW YA LIKE YER REPUBLICANS NOW?
Don't ever think a mad, elephant who roars would ever vote 4 Obama who is, as far as I'm concerned a step away from his card carrying Communist friends..for one, Frank who he mentions in his book is none other than member of the old Soviet-style Commie party--Frank Marshall Davis. Obama has also been endorsed by the U.S. Commuist Party as well as "Progressives for Obama" such as Jane Fonda, her ex-hubby, not to mention he's been endorsed by a host of terroists and I believe even Hamas.
Also, don't forget that these housing entitlements/mortgages were forced upon bankers by none other than Carter & Clinton era Attny Gen'l Janet Reno who told the banks either they rent to people who weren't qualified buyers or else they would lose a lot of banking privileges or worse.
Don't think this will help your Obama campaign as Obama has made the 2nd most amt of $ from Fannie & Freddie (in a few short years), next to Chris Dodd, and then Clinton and a host of other Dems. President Bush had tried to regulate Fannie & Freddie since 01, repeatedly and they mocked him that it wasn't needed. Elizabeth Dole, Sununu, McCain and others also tried to regulate and the Dems continued to block it.

Daniel
I don't even think it changed the opinions of the "independents" The "independents" are the people who don't even bother to pay attention. The country stinks right now. Republicans are in power. Therefore, let's vote for the "other party"

And just like the VP debate. It doesn't change a thing. Just re-arranging chairs on the deck of the titanic.

Where you an I probably don't agree is that it at least appears that you think Obama winning is a good thing? I don't and neither do I think McCain winning is a good thing.

It doesn't change a thing. They are all feeding from the same trough.

700 Billion...
merely means more decline. The economy has been in decline for all the spending that has been done, led by Bush and his party and certainly backed by Democrats. Now they spend a lot more. How are you going to pay? Watch prices for gas and other things rise again considerably. We may be looking at $5-6 a gallon for gas - hyperinflation in other words. More job losses, more bank failures, more decline. Has to be. The money has to come out of the very economy it's supposed to help.

The Politics of Fear
When will we learn not to trust these shysters? It just never ends.

http://blog.topicaltopics.net/2008/10/vote-them-all-out/

WHAT WILL HAPPEN: REP SLIME SURGE

As McCain becomes ever more desperate, I predict real nasty Lee Atwater spew.

I mean, stuff that makes "Willie Horton" look like beanbag. I mean, "Daisy" ads, that paint Senator Obama as a certain al Queda leader.

Then again, Bush could trump it for him:

Catch/kill bin Laden.

Oh yeah, baby, THERE'S an October Surprise!! Well, it's been 8 years, but you never know!


sorry. it's over.

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700 BILLION
And it will NOT solve anything. The markets will continue to tank and more business will continue to fire employees. Geez, even states are now asking for handout/bailout. They faster they bailout, the faster is sinks. Congress continues to ignore the will or the people.

ALLEGHENY COUNTY: OBAMA


Working class democratic Independents trending HUGE for Obama. Wait 'til Monday's post-apocalyptic Palin meltdown, and we'll see huge numbers.

McCain's running out of money, a sure sign his donors are backing off. No sense throwing away money. If your guy isn't going to win, why donate?

Plus, my personal fave: 9 points in Colorado.


Shoot, that's TRULY a change!

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TIMMY, WHY SO GLUM, CHUM?

You don't know me.

These ad hominum attacks are beneath you.

Man up, speak up, and we'll see. Projection isn't a family value, even in Philly...


That "attention" enough for you, hmm?

Meanwhile, the split on the House bailout vote would be more interesting if you'd present the numbers on who's up for re-election, and how did they vote...


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VINDEX: ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH YOU!!

This VP dustup didn't change one thing.

Well...except maybe for the Independents, who apparently saw all they needed to see.

You and I aren't changing a thing, for sure.

But those people? THEY are who will swing this thing. McCain's surrendered Michigan (!!), and with Pennsylvania, Colorado and Ohio moving toward Obama, it's almost over.


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Dannyboy
who the flick cares who won the debate? Seriously? Who cares? Will the outcome of that debate somehow solve the problems of this country? They both won. How's that?

Didn't change ANYTHING.

AL
"PALIN SAYS IT BEST...
GOVERNMENT, GET OUT OF OUR WAY!"

Yet, Palin supported the bailout, too.

Someone above said that the problem is that people forget all about what their politicians do to them in a year. No, they can't even seem to pay attention for one day!!

God help us.

PENNSYLVANIA: GOIN' FOR OBAMA, BIG TIME

RCP Average 09/21 - 10/01 -- 49.9 42.0 Obama +7.9


C'mon, Timmy, get with the winning team! We'll get you some catfish in Pittsburgh!!!

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SORRY, TIMMY...
Instant polls taken at the end of the event by television channels suggested that despite Mrs Palin managing a more measured performance than many had anticipated, voters were more impressed with Mr Biden.

A poll by CNN and Opinion Research found 51 per cent thought Mr Biden had performed best, with Mrs Palin taking 36 per cent of respondents.

A survey of uncommitted voters for CBS found the split even more pronounced, with Mr Biden on 46, Mrs Palin on 21 and a relatively high proportion stating that neither had impressed or that they could not decide.

When the uncommitted voters were pressed, 18 per cent said they would vote for Barack Obama and Mr Biden following the debate, with only 10 per cent ready to line up for John McCain and Sarah Palin.

Another instant poll done by Fox News, which did not allow for such fence-sitting, had the divide between the two candidates at 61 per cent for Mr Biden and 39 per cent for Mrs Palin.

it's over...

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THIRD PARTY DREAMERS

.....Not to worry ...soon you will wake up and discover that Socialist Governments do not tolerate opposition Parties ...

.....After Obama and his crew get through we will have a Mussolini style Fascist/Socialist State with one Party and one name on the ballot ...

.....Franklin said we had a Republic if we can keep it ....well we kept it for a little over 200 years ...I guess that is pretty good by modern standards .....COLOSSUS

investigations?
Michelle--Where are the investigative reporters now? Why are they not looking into Barnie Frank's and Chris Dodd's banking committee with ties to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? What about the monies they received from the lobbyists employed by them? Where is the outrage against Waters from CA and all the others in our congress who insisted nothing was wrong with giving minorities loans with nothing down and allowing the 'put minorities into their own homes pushed by Bill Clinton? Why is he not being investigated?? Unreal -- We need term limits for all those in government! Public service is noble for 2 terms. Then it becomes a feeding trough.
Thank you
S. Mack
Cape Coral, Fl33991
smack266@hotmail.com

HOW YOU LIKE YOUR REPUBLICANS NOW??

yeah, the monkeys have come home to roost now, right?

"Goshdarnit, we jes' need sum joe six paks in there, doin' good, gittin' 'er done, for Amurca"


8 years. Tragedy upon tragedy upon crime.

YOU put him, and his junta there. And now you whine like a little girl???

How you like 'em now?


priceless....

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BrianR
Senor might be more appropriate. As I recall, that's what they call the men in those banana republics, which we are clearly beginning to resemble. Ah well, another of my predictions came true to day. California needs $7 billion. New York also needs money. And just wait for the rest to show up. Banks, Investment banks, mortgage companies, money market fund guarantees, homeowners, states, and perhaps even hedge funds.

Tell me, is that printing press of yours still operating? If so, give me a heads up, I might need to borrow it.

Too Late
Done deal. The house voted down the bill without the pork, and then voted for the bill with it.

All of you do clearly understand why someone like myself is just a little cynical these days - do you not?

Oh, I know. One of these parties - so I'm told - is fiscally responsible. One of them, rumor has it, does not support big government.

Welcome to the brave new world. Granted, we've been getting there for sometime, but we have arrived.

We have projected a budget deficit of $482 billion for the coming year. We will add $70 billion or so to provide additional funding for the war. Now, we have a bailout bill. And tacked onto that, we'll have all that pork.

And whatever happened to the $200 billion for F&F, plus the money for AIG, and the rest? You do remember there was a first round before this round, right? And don't you just love it when the FDIC arrantes a shotgun wedding between Wachovia and Citi, and guarantees that if Citi takes care of the first $32 billion in losses, they'll guarantee the next $300 billion (that's right, $300 billion). Now just where does that money come from?

But that's ok, since we have to borrow it, we can start sending the bill to China, who has $800 billion in treasuries, and just picked up another gurantee for the #375 billion in securities they used to have in F&F.

The Red Sea can't hold this red ink.

But that's ok. Vote your conscious - and let it be clear.

Just remember that it isn't over. There's more coming - just sit back and watch.

bailout
Passing this bail out was the wrong thing to do,
all it accomplished was to pass the debt along to our children and grandchildren.

We can all start calling
each other "Komrade".


Right again--
Michelle is correct again. When will ;this all end? We can only guess.

Time to open a wooden arrow company?

It seems to be a pretty high priority in this mess, as it has a special exemption all its own in this bailout abortion.


A Little Conflict of interest?
All week I've been hearing the billionaire financial gurus warn of impending doom if congress doesn't do the right thing and give Sec. Treasury Paulson a few trillion of the peoples hard earned dollars. Cash for him to blow as he likes. Gee, ya think the fact that every one of these talking heads has billions of their own dollars in the market has anything to do with their enthusiasm for Joe Sixpack and Suzi Homemaker making up their gambling losses?
Now 'Arno' wants 7 billion for the Peoples Repugnant of Kalifonia. This give-away of our money is not going to end soon. Not till China and Saudi Arabia et al run out of money to loan us. Then comes the fun of stripping our nation bare to keep up those loan-shark payments!
Since I live near the southern border I have been in favor of a fence. Now I'm not so sure. Fences keep the illegals out, true. They unfortunately will also keep desperate Americans in.

This is what happens
when we dumb down America enough to elect a bunch of good ol' boys repeatedly to government.

Has America become Einstein's definition of insanity?

I think so.

Will they tack on some for me?
Ms. Malkin:
I own and run a small business that caters to the new homeowners and home contractors. Because of the sub-prime crisis, our business is down and I sure could use a million $ or two to help me through this troubled time.

Do you suppose Congress would tack on a couple of million for me? I mean, fair is fair. My creditors would LOVE it and surely the government would never miss it.

Sincerely,
S. Mall
Business Owner

LOL, ScottK

Great comment, man. Absolutely.

You vote yours, too. On THAT we surely agree.

I'll tell you, though, we're not NEARLY a free a country as we were 30 minutes ago.

The government just bought itself a controlling share in our "free market".



Congress?
Michelle:

My opinion on this Crisis is both Paulson and Bernake should resigned their post NOW. They are a failure in their ideas for the bailout. It will just benefit those irresponsible for the crisis of giving loan to unqualified people, like the illegal aliens. If I run my personal life that way I will be living under the bridge. It's a disgrace what these idiots are doing in Congress, too. We are bailing the Mexican banks? It's outrageous we the American citizens get stuck paying the bill.

BrianR, 1:10 PM post.

Hey, Brian... don't fall off your stool, buddy.
Because I'm actually going to agree with you on this one.

Both political parties were truly guilty in this debacle. The Democrats for removing the safeguards against sub-prime lending, and the Repubs for enabling them and for their feeble attempts in trying to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mack. A marked lack of profiles in courage on both sides.

Granted, Wall Street was way over-leveraged and their business model was unsustainable in a perfect storm like this. And so the last two giant investment houses, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, have become standard banks and are no longer regulated by the SEC but by the Federal Reserve.

And as this monstrosity just passed in the House, Wall Street acted just as it should in a bear market... buy into the rumor and sell into the rally. Because this sub-prime mess cut deeply into our economy, and will take some time to recover.

Were we still disagree, and strongly, is that "Obama the messiah" will cause irreparable harm to the future of our country and its people. McCain is far from perfect, but Obama is just plan scary.

So you vote your conscience, good buddy.

It's still a free country... so far.


PALIN SAYS IT BEST...
GOVERNMENT, GET OUT OF OUR WAY!

Well, we lost

This abortion of a bill was passed by the idiots in the House.

Take a last loving look in your wallets at whatever's in there.... because it won't be there for long.


The bill just passed...
And the dow is plunging. So what did this do? Hmmmm? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Anyone?

We Need A New Country
We all know the founding fathers would reject this evil bailout bill. They fought a war for independence for much less reasons. They most certainly would take up arms over this vile, treasonous bailout bill. Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence that "Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed." My fellow Americans, that is where we are right now. We are used to our conditions and cannot accept that they are SHACKLES AND CHAINS!
Now, let us return to Jefferson's words in the Declaration of Independence. He said "But when a long line of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." IF we want to be free we must secede from this fascist,socialist or communist nation. Choose what "ism" you will but I say NO to all of these "isms". This EVIL bailout is totalitarianism and whomever votes for it is a TRAITOR. May God himself never forget the wicked men and women who vote AYE for this bill of enslavement.

Bailout Bravo Sierra

The whole idea that the government needs to "bail out" or "rescue Wall Street and Main Street" is so fundamentally flawed that it goes to the very heart of what this country is supposed to mean. As a matter of fact, here's James Madison on the subject:

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on the objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents."

Madison would probably be having a heart attack right about now.


The only thing stopping a recovery from starting on its own, driven by market corrections in accord with traditional economic principles, is that everyone's waiting for the POLITICIANS to finish with their rain dance. If they're going to be handing out free money, well.... they're waiting to see if they can get some, and I don't blame them.

We got into this bloody mess because of the relaxation and, frankly, downright ignoring of sound banking practices in the "sub-prime" sector in order to "encourage minority home ownership", a goal promoted by Clinton AND Bush. The Republicans are just as guilty as the Democrats for not putting a stop to this nonsense long ago. Loans were being granted on the basis, essentially, of skin color, with no regard to actual ability to repay. And that happened on the GOP's watch as well the the Democrats'.

They want to do something helpful? Get rid of the rules that allowed sub-prime lending to even happen. Ignore all the nonsense about "racism" from all the Usual Suspects, and cure the root ill. These political hacks want to put a bandaid on a cancer, and I'm underwhelmed.


You break it, you buy it.
President Clinton and by proxy, the taxpayer, went into the banks and broke the lending rules with the Community Reinvestment Act changes of 1995. We broke the mortgage lending system and forced banks to make bad loans, now we have to buy the broken loans from the banks. Even if it was only the banks themselves that would be harmed by the bad loans and no one else, it is only right that we pay for what we broke.

ARE THEY REALLY SUGGESTING
The downfall of a few banks and or corps will totally collapse our financial markets?? Just how fragile are we? This $700B bill is a sham. We need to take the "credit cards" away from the spending addicts in Washington and send them to rehab. Bush should just go on another vacation for the next 3 1/2 months to prevent his from giving BHO some more campaign ammo. The dems didn't vote the first bill through so they could have time to pork it up. It's just getting ridiculous now. Can congress get down to 1 to 3 percent approval? I believe we are about to see. I called my rep's office and told them to relay the message to vote no.

Pjal
I learned my lesson on people not liking what their Senator was doing back with Ernest Hollings and the first gulf war. He voted against the war citing all kinds of spurious BS reasons in his marblely mush-mouth manner. His popularity fell to a low of around 9% with a huge unfavorability rating.

Alas, he wasn’t up for reelection that cycle. A few years later he was reelected via the power of incumbency. People forget if its longer than a year, particularly people who vote lamocrat.

You should note that the people voting against it are the ones who are up for election this cycle AND who are not in districts that are absolutely guaranteed.

Post 66
Far too late for a 3rd party now Kenneth. Class warfare, voter fraud, vote buying, unbreakable party loyalty, will always ensure one of the two exsisting parties maintains control.

The greatest blunder of the founding fathers was the lack of term limits for congress. Maybe not foreseeable in the 1700's, but now its quite apparent that ironically, elected politicians will be the undoing of our representative goverment. Politician should have never been available as a career choice.

I wonder how much principals are getting sold for on the house floor today. I see the people that should be in opposition to this bailout heaping praises on Barney Frank and taking one for the team and supporting this bailout.

The need is not for a 3rd party. The need is for a true two party, for we have but one ruling
party, the playbook may look different on each side, but the end result will take us to the endzone of socialism.


Congress: Put the Pea Shooter Down
Paulson is just trying to “bail out” a few of his big bucks buddies at taxpayers’ expense. America better completely disregard this bozo and look at the problem from a clean slate approach. Flow chart and diagram in detail the whole Ponzi scheme of the financial industry. Determine exactly what went wrong and why. Assign fair blame and seriously punish wrongdoing. Create new, better rules/laws to make the financial industry more honest, transparent, and accountable. Include “just right” oversight by regulatory agencies. This will take time, lots of time but if we don’t want a repeat of this or worse in 5-10 years then we need to do it right…now.

Mortgages are available! also AEG chair
I notice Hank Greenberg, former chair & CEO of AEG is on that Trilateral_Commission..
Also, my credit union said mortgages are available..just not for people with "iffy credit".

Hi, Peggy. Good to see you, too

Interesting you should ask.

My Congressman, McKeon, with a 94% ACU rating, surprised me by voting FOR the first try at this last week.

I've corresponded with him on this, and made it clear that if he votes FOR this thing again, I WILL NOT be voting for him next month. So, for him, the jury's still out.

As to Prez, yeah, I'm a Barr supporter. How about you?



Kenneth. The CONSERVATIVE PARTY.
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TWO BANKS AND THE FED
Michelle: you could have not put it better! The Fed brokered a deal between Wachovia and Citibank; a panic button deal. Now a deal has been hatched between Wells Fargo that does not involve the Fed and tax payer money (if tax payer money was invoved in the Citibank deal), a much better deal. Seeing what happened between Wachovia and Wells Fargo, I believe that these institutions will band together and save their own butts without the Fed's involvement. Look at AIG and Barkleys. Am I correct in this assumption?

TWO BANKS AND THE FED
Michelle: you could have not put it better! The Fed brokered a deal between Wachovia and Citibank; a panic button deal. Now a deal has been hatched between Wells Fargo that does not involve the Fed and tax payer money (if tax payer money was invoved in the Citibank deal), a much better deal. Seeing what happened between Wachovia and Wells Fargo, I believe that these institutions will band together and save their own butts without the Fed's involvement. Look at AIG and Barkleys. Am I correct in this assumption?

We need a new Party
I am holding my nose voting for a man that I can't help think of the joke of the guy that walks into a whore house with 100 dollar bills hanging out of his pocket and cant get laid. McCain is not a conservative and Obama is not a true democrat. McCain is someone who is acting like he is already president and doesnt know how to fight for what he wants, Obama is a Socialist tainted slightly marxist that is trying to be a Democrat. I have news for the whacko libs, he will dump you once he gets the title.

But I want a new party started, I would even pay as much as my budget will allow. Dont know what to call it, but I know that it has to basically be as close to its principals keeping to the constitution with out redoing it. It really just needs to be a party that if you acted like a liberal once your not allowed in the club house. America has to be the best country if, and we dont have to apologise for jack.

So let the dogs of Obama be unleashed and bury me with rhetoric.

WHY AM I SUSPICIOUS?

.....Paulson, a Wall street insider (Goldman Sachs), and a member of the IMF declares a financial crisis thirty days out from an election ...excuse me but is this an October Surprise in September? ...is George Soros lurking behind the curtain? ...

.....I have already emailed my Senators and told them that they can no longer count on my vote for supporting this Xmas tree laden turkey .....COLOSSUS

Ugly and uglier.

This so called "bailout plan" is an absolute abomination.

But the cost of us doing nothing... is blood on the streets where you and I live.

When banks are fearful and sitting on their cash and unvilling to lend to each other and only to their better customers... too many of us will eventually suffer badly.

And when the institutionals are pushing the yield curve on U.S. Treasuries down close to zero, that simply means that they are less concerned with a return on their money... and more with a return OF their money.

And why conservatives leaders and economists have not pushed harder for other workable alternatives... is simply beyond me.

And why we the people still keep falling for "freebies from the government", when we are the ones paying for them... is also beyond me.

And why the very people largely responsible for this mess that was a long time coming, will get away with it and still be re-elected... is way beyond me.

Barf.





Cave
I and chicken-little were going to run for the cave "The sky is falling" it was full, no room at all!It is a large cave, but there were over
300 members of congress huddled in corners,screaming "hide" the sky is falling,the sky is falling,only way to save the world is throw money, throw tax money, keep throwing until we are all saved! end of story.any question?
Doc
Army

Consequences

Democrats love to blow everything out of proportion and most Republicans join right in. Jumping on a band wagon of the latest emotion.

What is the consequences for this.

We passed community investment act It could only create a housing bubble credit, bomb. Everyone loved the artificial growth and wants more like a child with a sweet tooth.

Now the congress's guilty feelings and urgent do something now attitude. Drive the emotions of Americans and your on the move. Facing the truth has to many consequences to answer.

They will give the authority over to one man like Pontus Pilate wiping his hands to remove the guilt.

Spend Trillions that will deaden this economy for years to come.

What is the consequences. Government spending money it does not have is inflationary.

The economy still needs to clear these houses out. Weather it is done through forecolsures or Bidens/Obama allowing courts to lower value and new payments. Nothing more then government bailout, expanding inflation.

This inflation is never seen right away. So as this economy stabilizes inflation will drive stocks and the economy higher. Worthless growth that will confuse the masses as they see their stocks grow and their wages go up.

Yet, inflationary will also affect their buying power. Even though wages go up, they will not be able to buy as much.

In the end the destructured economical house comes down.

I will probalby be gone, but my kids and grandkids will have to live with it everyday and all I can do is tell them it is coming and how best to handle it. I wished I would be here to walk them through it.

God Bless my Children and America



I feel the cold steel of
the barrel and I think the House is about to pull the trigger.....

what a con
we get to make paulson santa claus so he can hand out presents to all of the bad boys on wall street.

Where's the column...
that says Will should just STFU and go back to eating corn on the cob the long way.

Silent Majority
The majority do not want the bail-out at taxpayer expense. We are now just an echo in an empty attic. The representative Republic is dead. Except here in Alabama--both our Senators heard the people and voted "no". Your majority may be silent but not here, not in Alabama. "We The People" of Alabama have a voice and it is being heard.

Abhorrent
Sometimes I allow myself to be completely dumbfounded by how government will destroy things even though we the people have told them "NO".

This bailout is just crazy. It's going to make the economy's natural adjustments much worse because of more government involvement.

Government launched cruise missles into the foundation of our economy over the years and has created this situation, and now they want to take trillions (don't even BEGIN to think that $700 Billion will be all they "need") of our money to fix it.

We're in for a bad future if this gets through.

If private businesses were run like government people would be fired and in jail.

Bailout
No bailout for any reason. Some say we need something, just not this bill. We need Washington to get out of our lives.

Sarah Palin
http://www.sarahpalinhasaposse.com

Why she needs to state the obvious
Because these mules in Washington need an obvious 2x4 between the eyes to get their attention.
I gave it a 5.

sitll no to the bailout
Wasn't just last night that Biden said (in regards to global warming) that you have to know what causes the problem before you can fix it?

Well, no one seems to know, or at least agree on what has caused this problem, but they are already to jump on the bailout bill!

But then again, it was the democrats that four years ago said if it isn't broken don't fix it.

What's up with that?

They are so quick to take our money and throw it after bad! Let's look at the problem first. Find out why it happened, so we don't do it again and figure out exactly how much it will take to fix it, and don't and a bunch of pork onto the bill to entice the politicians to vote yes, and add even more money to the already hurting taxpayer. I realize that the majority of democratic voters don't pay taxes and they don't care how high the taxes go. They go to the polls with their hands out looking for more and are given just enough by the democrats to keep voting. They never get enough to get out of where they are, but they seem happy, or at east content to live off of the taxpayer.

Voting no may not be good, but it is better than taking the risk of spending billions and ending no where.

Where's the TH column
explaining how Senate republicans loaded up the $700 billion bailout bill with $150 billion in additional pork & earmarks so that the House republicans and conservatives would vote for it?

Townhall appears to have left that column unwritten.

Congress and the Gun
I am with Mrs. Paddy from Ca. Throw out the tyrants! No Bail out.

Barney gets his blame
The cost to billout the economy……………… $700 billion plus.
OReilly ripping Barney Frank a new one……….Priceless

What part of NO don't they understand??
Great column. Congress is doing a darn good Chicken Little lately....but it'll be us paying the price if their panicked attempt at a "fix" is approved. I've called and written to my representatives in both the House and Senate, to no avail! What part of NO don't these people understand??? They're supposed to be intelligent people...but they don't seem to understand economics at all (Markets eventually correct themselves)...nor do they remember history (how long did the Depression last in countries that DIDN'T have massive government intervention?) I am just so frustraed with those idiots in Washington!
RE-ELECT NOBODY!!!

Bailout Boondoggle...
We are not being told the truth. I hope the House has the good sense not to bring this thing to a vote.

For all the mewlings of politicians who say they are for the middle class I say BULLs--t! The middle class has been bailing out the unproductive class ever since FDR and now we are expected to bail out the Fat Cats too.

The problem stems from government largess promoting and insisting and legislating that lenders make loans to the unqualified. Then the big bankers took the ball and ran with it, driving up home prices to ridiculous levels and making a lot of folks rich in the process.

It is like the fool who builds his house upon the sand without the proper foundation, thinking the tsunami will never come.

We have irresponsible people at both ends of the spectrum wanting the responsible people to come to their rescue.

It is becoming apparent that living within your means, paying your bills, paying your taxes and obeying the law is just plain stupid!

We have needs, too
We need - resignations from Paulson, Bernanke, Cox, Franks, Dodd, Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, Reid, Murtha - turn them over first. Then have Shelby, Sessions negotiate about half the money to stabilize the economy. BrianR - good to hear from you. Are you voting?

The simple
people think this is all about money. They love that. I mean, money is what makes YOUR world go round. But to them, money means absolutely nothing. They already have more than they can ever need. If they actually need more, they'll just print it. No, the REAL commodity is power. With power, you don't need money. When they can force you to build them a house for the table scraps, you will understand. They just need to disarm you first. And they already have a good headstart on that plan. I expect it to be complete by 2016. Total and complete global disarmement. And that doesn't mean them... that means "you."

They
don't need our taxes and they don't need our votes. It's all a game. The complete and total hijacking of "our" government has been done for a long while now.

Just shut up and keep breeding so they will have slaves to promise to the future dictators of the world.

It ended when they decided that REAL money was worthless. Anybody can make themselves rich when they can simply print some more and promise YOU and your descendent's life and labor as collateral.

The Bogus Bailout is getting worse.
The version passed by the Senate is still based on the $700
billion plan that gives government bureaucrats more control
over the economy than perhaps at any time in our history.

But now, the Senate has added billions of dollars of pork
(see below) and thinly-veiled tax bribes to the bailout in
hopes that the House will be forced to swallow hard and
accept it. Some examples of the pork:

-- millions of pork for Hollywood producers
-- millions more for stockcar race track owners
-- more than $192 million for Caribbean rum producers
-- over $200 million for Alaskan fisherman

+ + House Vote Friday; Faxes and Phone Calls needed now!

Once again, Congress and the President are doing everything
in their power to IGNORE the will of the American people.

But they cannot ignore us if the faxes and phones are shut
down with angry citizens who not only object to the Bogus
Bailout but are offended that Congress has added pork and
political bribes just to get it passed!

+ + Call your Representative NOW!

Doc.
"Once again, Congress and the President are doing everything
in their power to IGNORE the will of the American people.

But they cannot ignore us ..."

Uh...yes they can. They do it EVERY time. You and I simply aren't very important. They don't even need us to pay our taxes anymore. The Fed just prints up the money on the promise that your children will provide everlasting servitude to whatever powers they owe.

They HAVE and you HAVE NOT. Trust me, if the phones actually annoy them, they will simply take them off the hook. They are NOT going to listen to you. The bill will pass and if it doesn't it will only be because there isn't enough pork and they think they can get some more by holding out.

In an E-MAIL I just received
The Bogus Bailout is getting worse.

The version passed by the Senate is still based on the $700
billion plan that gives government bureaucrats more control
over the economy than perhaps at any time in our history.

But now, the Senate has added billions of dollars of pork
(see below) and thinly-veiled tax bribes to the bailout in
hopes that the House will be forced to swallow hard and
accept it. Some examples of the pork:

-- millions of pork for Hollywood producers
-- millions more for stockcar race track owners
-- more than $192 million for Caribbean rum producers
-- over $200 million for Alaskan fisherman

+ + House Vote Friday; Faxes and Phone Calls needed now!

Once again, Congress and the President are doing everything
in their power to IGNORE the will of the American people.

But they cannot ignore us if the faxes and phones are shut
down with angry citizens who not only object to the Bogus
Bailout but are offended that Congress has added pork and
political bribes just to get it passed!

+ + Call your Representative NOW!

I'm asking you to call your House Representative now and
register your opposition to the Bogus Bailout.

Shelley
Isn't it truly sad that not a single person is even listening to you? $630B was stolen out of your pocket, your children's pocket, and your Children's children's pocket and not a single effing moron is even listening.

Not a single pundit, not a single poster, not a single journalist. You might as well be breathing in water.

The reason they aren't listening to you is because what the Fed did SHOULD start a revolution. Nobody wants that, now, do they?

So they keep talking about the $700B that WILL pass, but completely ignore the $630B ALREADY given to banks without congressional approval. Michelle won't talk about it, Rush won't talk about it, hell NOBODY but you and I has even bothered to bring it up.

Well, at least you might find some comfort in the fact that there is at least one other person out there actually paying attention.

I'll see you on the battlefield one day. Keep your powder dry.

Any time...
...that an issue before Congress has to be settled "right NOW" because "it's an emergency" and "We don't have time to debate", you can bet it's a real flubadub.

Remember Scamnesty, and how it just ha-a-ad to be solved instantly? Well, it wasn't, and guess what? Scamnesty WAS the catastrophe, and the good sense of the public averted it when the polscum had lost their heads.

I just hate being bumrushed by the Washington fudpuckers into yet another disaster. But that seems to be all they know how to do when they want to "fix" everything their way.

When you finish blogging
Please take a few minutes to remind your representatives, again, who they work for.

No Bailout

No bailout - period
If we go into a recession or even a depression - so be it. $700 billion thrown into the fire won't stop that. If a company is borrowing money to make payroll - they need their doors shut.
That bailout bill will shoot us so far into socialism there will be no turning back. And, just like the "stimulus" package earlier this year, it will end up having no long term impact.
This entire issue seems criminal to the taxpayer and if our forefathers would fight over an unjust tea tax I don't know what will get fat happy citizens of today up in arms.
We have sold ourseleves into tax slavery and have made Congress our unjust rulers.
When I look at the people living under the rule of crazy leaders I have always thought "why do they live like that, why not stand up on revolt". Now, I realize, we are doing the exact same thing. You just get used to it and begin to think "well, as long as I have a place to sleep and food to eat". What a sad day this is to be an American.

No crisis!
Perhaps this so called "crisis" was contrived for political purposes or perhaps it was honestly over stated. It is clear that it isn't Armageddon as Paulson would have us believe. Interesting that the Democrats would quickly jump on board with G. W., the man they loath, and interesting is the timing of the "crisis". It doesn't matter if the "crisis" was politically created or not, the solution must not be political. We must not change the nature of our capitalism with bailouts and further Congressional interference. The Community Reinvestment Act enacted by Congress first encouraged then forced lenders to make the same high risk loans that are behind this so called "crisis". Congress, whose direct actions are responsible for the "crisis", are incapable of solving it.

No Bailout
There is something missing in all this. Who exactly is saying this gigantic dip into an empty till is the end of it.

Fear mongering is getting old fast. Stop the bailout and let the market find it's own bottom so we can assess the real damage and get on with business.


BTW, if there is a credit squeeze on business I have found it yet. I called two area banks about extending my credit lines and got the go sign in one day. What credit crunch?

Must See
Gateway Pundit has the O’Reilly / Barney Frank exchange over the Fannie/Freddie. You have to watch it.

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/10/woah-oreilly-blas ts-barney-frank-out.html


As for the "argument"
That a drop in new-car loans is a reason to support this government takeover of the financial markets (which is exactly what it is), the two have almost nothing to do with each other.

If anyone on Capitol Hill had bothered to read the despised automotive press (Motor Trend, Car and Driver, Road & Track, etc.) for the last two years, they would have seen the discussion of the steady decline in new car sales and the accompanying surge in used-car acquisition. The consensus among the "car guys" is that people do not like the "latest and greatest" products from the major makers, because they are too expensive, cost too much to insure, are cramped, hard to see out of (at 6', I have to crouch over the wheel of a late-model Chevy Blazer to see the road), and seem to have been designed more to please government bureaucrats and deep-ecology Druids than the people who will have to live with them day in and day out.

Those people, accordingly, are taking their money elsewhere. Generally to the used-car lot where they can find something that actually fulfills their transportation needs and costs less into the bargain.

When I see a mint-condition 1978 Dodge Magnum SE at the local Subway, as I did last week, I know that Detroit, Japan Inc., and those fun-loving types in Europe all have a serious problem. And it has nothing to do with Wall Street.

cheers

eon

Serge
Waaaaa...

My heart bleeds for these deadbeats who spent money they didn't have.

Or should I say, they bought houses knowing they would never make a payment and live free of charge for a year.

Bailing out whom?
So while families are still living on the streets because they get kicked out of the fire-saled homes due to the mortgage crisis, it's perfectly OK to use the taxes of those very same people to bail out the Wall Street Swine so they can keep sipping their Perrier.

Hmmm.... I wonder what the poor people are doing right now?

When will you people see that the "stock market" is not self-regularing, it's driven up and then down again by the most devious insider trading method known: Banking.

No bailout
Who says Paulson is going to use that money for what Congress claims? Does anyone believe this?

Why are pols who had their hand in the till, Dodd, Obama, and others, suddenly capable of fixing and oversight?

It's kind of like asking the bank robber to watch the money he just stole to make sure it is still there. Good grief.

Why didn't they pols have any expert businessmen or economists looking this over?
Answer: They don't really want to fix this, they just want our money to do whatever they see fit.

Can nobody smell the putrid pork?
They LOADED it up with porcine lard.

-Ray
NRA Life Member
Go 'Cuda, GO!!

michelle's got it right;AGAIN !!
Speaking of Barney Fa-Fa-Fa-Frank;Did anyone watch O'Reily go off on him last night.In my
opinion it's about time SOMEBODY did !!!!!

Mrs Paddy
Good one

redux from the blog: Flintstone theme
Flintlocks, Bring your Flintlocks
They're important to our sovereignty!
From our Nation's Bedrock
It's a page from our great history!

Let's look at our Constitution, please!
Before Congress takes our Liberties!

When you've got your flintlock
We can counter bail-out billions!
Vote by the millions!
Just keep your powder dry!

Dedicated to trolls who will be here
today.

A discussion between conservative and the typical troll who comes here from the party of the big lie:

Con to Lib: Look you stupid bstard, you've got no arms left.

Lib: Yes I have.

Con: Look! (points to arms on ground)

Lib: Just a flesh wound.

Thanks to Monty Python

McCain's duty
Yesterday, John McCain chose to lose the election. It was not so much that he voted for the bailout, which was bad enough, as his explanation. He said it was a bad bill but the only alternative was an economic meltdown. That is untrue, a false dichotomy: the problem of bank liquidity could be solved in a minute by (1) changing the mark-to-market accounting rule so that non-performing mortgages can be on the books at their true value (i.e., the market value of the houses), and (2) cutting the corporate and capital-gains tax rates for banks for 5 years or so.

McCain's adoption of socialism as the only solution is unforgivable, but Obama must not win. McCain must therefore redeem himself, and "put the country first" by pledging that if inaugurated on Jan 20 he will resign the office the next day, making Sarah Palin President. That will win him the election and save the country.

Dear Voters: Pick the Gun UP!
Our forefathers believed in death to tyrants. that is what we have in Congress right now. When people like the 'honorable' senator from California dismiss her constituents as uninformed, we no longer have a representative government. I figured that out when the Amnesty debacle was being drafted.

It is time for heads to roll or face the loss of our nation and our liberty. Once it is gone, who will be able to restore it?

Hubris thy name is Congress. Traitors, theives, liars and con artists. they ALL should be held accountable for malfeasance and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

No Bailout!!!
I don't care how the Senate voted. We want the House to vote no on this Bailout!!! We also want Barney Frank and others to take responsibility for their actions. During the Clinton administration, when this fiasco was being born, Fannie and Freddie were threatened with sanctions if they didn't give insolvent borrowers a chance to own their own homes. Go figure. They have bad credit, can't pay their bills, but they can get a loan to buy a $200,000 home. McCain said it was a bad deal. No one listened. Now, they're blaming the Bush administration. Everyone knows that Congress holds the purse strings. Check out who voted for what. Check out the committee hearing into the matter. See who's to blame. Freedom of information. Open government. Hold their feet to the fire. Now they want us to pay for their mistakes and lack of judgment. NO WAY!! No bailout!!!

Good job Michelle, as usual
Though opposed I see the bailout as inevitable and have shifted my focus and concern to all the ornaments that might be hung from the tree in the House as they have been in the Senate. If GOP members are too intransigent there are enough dems to ram this thing through along with untold riches for districts, college loan holders, credit card debtors, the Moose lodge or all I know and our very favorite ACORN.

GOP members have to decide between bad and worse. For those of us lucky enough to have "good" representatives and senators we need to stay on them after the debocle and maybe, I doubt it, but maybe we can "follow the money" and get some of it back.

I know, I know!!!

Michelle rocks - period.
One conservative congressman who opposed the bill opined about Hank Paulson, "he understands how wealth is traded, but not how wealth is created". Indeed.

No Bailout!

I'm afraid
the House will pass this boondoggle and I also think the people have been like brain washed and will actually make Obama our next Prez!!! We could possibly be doomed which would really be a tragedy. We have to do something but can we? That is the 700 billion dollar question!

Only 4 Michelle
I with you Michelle but I have to cut you down 1 pt to a 4 because you are doing the same thing Fox does (and I will not even talk about the rest of the media).

That is mischaracterizing the Senate Bill. You said “…have time to quadruple the volume of pages and stuff the urgent emergency package with business-as-usual earmarks, goodies and sweeteners.”

The Senate Bill was, in fact, a previous bill stuffed full of pork and earmarks that had already been approved by both houses of congress and was ready to go to the president. The Senate simply tacked on the bailout bill, largely as written, to the pork bill.

IF the House has the gumption to kill this crap sandwich the original pork bill will still be viable, only the amendment for the bailout will be killed.

We do NOT need this bill and the 630 Billion dollar Fed money injection BOTH!


Mr Paulson Gazzillionaire!
Another stellar article from Michelle, this woman cuts through the BS like no other.
Mr. Gazzillionaire Paulson (the man is worth upwards of half a billion) and his croonies selling "The Fear" of worthless IRA's, these bad boys owe Deepak Choopra doom & gloom money.
I wonder what his take is going to be when all is said and done, a paltry 2 percent of 700 billion is some serious cash, I won't make that in a million life times.
Yet my son and I and his kids kids will be paying for it for some time to come.
The other travesty is Bernancke, where is he in all this, at least Greenspan would've had something to say and everybody would be listening.
Anyway, Warren Buffett is back with a vengence I've alerted my brokers to follow that man.

A Republican voice in the wilderness
is Rep. Bachus of Alabama who, at the behest of an Ohio Rep, took to the Rules Committee an amendment which would (1) limit the fork-over to Paulson to $250billion, since Hank said he could only spend $50b a month; (2)strip out the several hundreds of millions of $ of pork nonsense that the Senate inserted and (3) would give the House and Senate a chance to hear and discuss alternatives, following a report by Hank in November.

Well, that's just way too practical for our friends in Congress. No, the DO SOMETHING mantra is alive and well.

The unchanged wording, giving Paulson total control over what assets to buy, how much to pay, which banks to bail out -- including foreign banks! -- needs to be taken out.

I hate to be a paranoid conspiracy theorist, but something is very wrong here, when the bill has had 3 or 4 iterations and that still has not been changed.

How can a majority of 435 people who are supposed to represent their constituents and who are sworn to uphold our Constitution possibly vote for this scandalous bill?

Well Stated Michelle
Economists Raise Concerns About Bailout Plan

"While some politicians were reconsidering their opposition to the bailout this week, there is one group that still expresses a lot of concerns with the legislation: economists.

Interviews conducted with a dozen prominent academic economists, Obama supporters as well as McCain supporters, found little support for the bailout bill. Indeed, even the one economist who supported the proposal passed by the Senate Wednesday night had serious reservations."

Read the the rest of the article and comments by economists here:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,431645,00.html



Michele, you speak for me
Biden said tonight that Cheney was the most dangerous VP the nation's ever had. Besides being the height of stupid, slanderous hyperbole, it calls into question Biden's mental capacity to hold even the limited administrative authority of the VP office.

One of the truly more dangerous people is Paulson who, together with Bernanke, simply picked the outrageous figure of 700B and panicked Bush and the Congress into engraving it into a spending package over which he's to have a large measure of control.

He's the real clear and present danger we should really fear and loath, and the rest of them who are supporting this wholesale public plunder.

Democrat Senators Voted Against This!
I have to admit I was shocked to see how many Democratic senators voted against the bailout. Are they up for re-election? Russ Feingold voted against this? Was it not enough money? Please explain.

It be interesting to know how many of those that voted against the bailout are in tight races. I guess when your very existence is at stake it is time to listen to your constituents.

A Representative Democracy?
When, by her own admission, California Senator Feinstein's office received 95000 calls with 92000 requests that the Senate should reject the bailout bill as had the House and the Senator said, "they just didn't understand" then we see how we no longer have someone representing the interests of what the Senators perceive to be too stupid to understand the issues.

When 97% of the public in a State that's predominantly Democratic, is in favor of Obama but still sees that the bailout is BAD for America and their Senator wags her finger at them calling them stupid, it'w time for a different kind of bailout.

Throw them all out, every last one of those who defy the public, yes, John McCain, you too.

Bail Out of Cover Up
This fiasco does not pass the smell test. Remember just a few months ago the line about we had to pass Comprehensive Immigration Reform?

Consider the reality that the same folks pushing that wolf in sheeps clothing are the very same ones that are trying the same type of scam again, this time with the economy.

Consider further that the two are connected. I will wager that if we check on the major sanctuary cities, Denver, Phoenix, Las Vegas, etc., we will see that a significant number of those red lined sub prime risky loans were made to illegal aliens that filed fraudulent loan applications with the aid of unscrupulous realators and lenders. Moreover, the government knew about it for years and did absolutely nothing about it.

Congress knows this and now the Congress wants to cover it all up with 700 Billion Dollars. No, this is fraud on its face and the second largest power grab in U.S. History and it must be stopped.

More importantly, those in Government and in Congress that are responsible for this MUST BE PUNISHED SEVERELY.

Doing Lenin's Work for Him
The bailout is the mechanism by which our own government will debauch the dollar and sweep us into economic collapse and tyranny.

Thank You!
Thank you for sounding the voice of reason that seems to be so rare these days. It saddens me to see how many of the people that supposedly represent me in Washington so easily succumb to the "doom and gloom" blabbering. I'm amazed that even though the facts do not support the panic or the horrendously outrageous legislation proposed to "fix" this "crisis"; there are dozens of representatives willing to sell out their principles. I guess that principles are only important when everything is going smoothly.

Ditto BrianR
.


Besides, that's too much money to turn loose to one person.

And what about the next Sec of Treas. Who's to say that that person wouldn't squander OUR money?

Let's start by making Franklin Raines and Jim Johnson pay back ALL of the money they squandered.

And, last but not least, have Frank, Schumer and Dodd resign from the Senate and House.

Re-elect No Congress Member Who Votes Ay
Michelle Malkin is on target again.

Vote for no member of the Senate or the House who votes for the Senate's 451 page bribe-filled bill - whether it goes down in defeat tomorrow or passes! The bill comes due on November 4th!

If our elected employees refuse to do what we employers want - fire them - just like you boss or customer would do to you!

*Dogeral Alert*
Alexander Hamilton is king of all He sees. James Madison's knocked off his feet and can't get to his knees. Tom Jefferson, who'll save us from this credit crunch disease? Republicratic Demacans will give us $change$?? (Oh pleeease.)

Bailout from an Iowa perspective
And now we find out that the congress was looking for a bribe from the senate when it voted the bailout down. Now that the bill has been porked up, it's amazing how many congressmen are changing their minds. You want to know how sad it is? Chuck Grassley said that if the wall street people would bow in public disgrace like the japanese do when they screw up, that Americans would find that an acceptable apology and would accept the 700 billion bailout. What stupidity and arrogance. I think were are ready for our bastille moment.
Jim
http://www.therightguyshow.com

I say no.
Wall Street is sitting around waiting to see how much money we suckers are going to give them.

And, why haven't Chris Dodd and Barney Frank recused themselves, or just resigned, or been thrown in jail along with Obama for the money they received from Fannie and Freddie?

As Ronald Reagan's wife would have said, "Just say no."

Why Now?
Why the rush to a bailout now?
Why are we being sold the gloom and doom?
The Dems benefit from an economic panic in the upcoming election, that is obvious and has been discussed by several pundits.
Another benefit I believe would be that Bush could more aptly be labeled "The Worst President" in the eyes of those who
suffer from BDS.
Think about it, they can elect their saviour and ruin GWB's legacy at the same time.
Real patriots, aren't they?

Absolutely!

Great column!
NO BAILOUT!

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