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Wednesday, March 12, 2008
Michelle Malkin :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Left's Escalating War on Military Recruiters
by Michelle Malkin
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Ideas have consequences. Inaction has consequences. For the past several years, I've chronicled the left's escalating war on military recruiters -- and the apathetic, weak-kneed response to it. The anti-recruiter thugs on college campuses and in liberal enclaves have thrived thanks to a combination of public indifference, law enforcement fecklessness and left-wing ideological apologism.

It has now been a week since the Times Square military recruitment center bombing. The investigation continues -- and so does the left's denial of the ongoing campaign against military recruiters. At a national conference of anarchists in Washington, D.C., last weekend, a "solidarity sticker" glorifying the biker bomber made the rounds. On the Internet, "peace" activists threatened the Gathering of Eagles, a national military support group that organized a rally at Times Square last weekend. From Pittsburgh to Berkeley, anti-war extremists have smeared recruiters as "death pimps" and "child predators." The militant Code Pink group continues to organize in-your-face protests to drive recruiters from major metropolitan areas.

The Times Square bombing was not an isolated incident, but an all-too-predictable symptom of reckless tolerance for dangerous "peace" peddlers skating on the edge of sedition. Lone nuts? Here is a brief history of the anti-military recruitment movement's mounting acts of vandalism and violence. I'll list, you decide:

March 2003: Anti-war zealots in Ithaca, N.Y., target a recruitment center that had been hit before with Molotov cocktails. On St. Patrick's Day, wielding cups of their own blood, they entered a Lansing military recruitment office and splashed their blood over recruiter posters, military cutouts and the American flag. Daniel Burns, Peter De Mott, Clare Grady and Teresa Grady were convicted in 2005 on two misdemeanor counts of trespassing and damaging federal property. All but Burns have been released from prison.

January 20, 2005: At Seattle Central Community College, Army recruiter Sgt. Jeff Due and his colleague Sgt. 1st Class Douglas Washington were hounded by an angry mob of 500 anti-war students. The recruiters' table was destroyed; their handouts, torn apart. Protesters threw water bottles and newspapers at the soldiers. The far-left Students Against War had been agitating to kick the recruiters off campus. The college administration refused to punish the radicals.

Jan. 31, 2005: Recruiters in Manhattan reported that a door to their office had been beaten in. Anarchist symbols were scrawled in red paint on the building. On the same day, New York police collared a young Manhattan College junior and charged him with throwing a burning rag into an Army recruiting station and ruining the door locks with super glue.

Feb. 1, 2005: At a South Toledo, Ohio, recruitment center, unhinged protesters hurled manure all over the building. They broke windows and sprayed vulgar graffiti -- "War is Sh*t" -- on office property.

Mid-Feb. 2005: Twenty-year-old anti-war goon Brendan Walsh is sentenced to five years in federal prison for hurling a Molotov cocktail through the window of a Vestal, N.Y., military recruitment office in 2003.

March 2005: In East Orange, N.J., young anti-military protesters shattered the windows of an Army recruitment station and a neighboring Navy office. At City College in New York, a campus secretary protesting recruiters was charged with second-degree assault, disorderly conduct and obstructing governmental administration. Police also arrested students Justin Rodriguez and Nicholas Bergreen for resisting arrest, disorderly conduct and assaulting a police officer.

March/April 2005: Anti-war extremists at New York's Bronx Community College shut down several military recruitment sessions. At UC Santa Cruz, "peace" thugs drove recruiters off campus after an hour-long demonstration of shouting and window banging.

May 2005: Anti-military students swarmed the booths of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers and the USAF at a San Francisco State University career fair. In Wisconsin, an Air Force ROTC information day was canceled due to threats by the University of Wisconsin-Madison chapter of Stop the War.

April 2006: UC Santa Cruz students ambushed military recruiters. Vandals at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill tossed cans of red paint in front of an ROTC office and spray-painted vulgarities all over its doors. University of Minnesota students splattered red paint all over an Army recruiting station.

December 2006: Anarchists in Lawrence, Kan., crippled business at an Army/Navy recruitment center, where workers' car tires were slashed and bomb-proof glass had to be installed.

Jan. 2007: Anti-war radicals laid siege to the U.S. Capitol and smashed windows at a downtown Washington recruitment center. Pittsburgh radicals shut down a recruitment station for a day, wielding signs calling recruiters "child predators."

March 2007: Vandals broke into a Milwaukee recruitment station wielding crowbars.

July 2007: A teenager in Bremerton, Wash., was charged with a felony for slashing 42 government tires of Army recruiting vehicles to protest the Iraq war and because he "hated the military." In Maryland, anti-recruiter vandals smashed a Rockville Air Force career center. In Lufkin, Texas, Navy recruiters were the targets of vandals who keyed their cars, smashed their windows and shot at their vehicles with "with what appeared to be a high-powered pellet gun."

August 2007: In Stamford, Conn., Francis Monaghan is arrested on charges that he twice left a fake bomb package at a military recruitment office.

September 2007: The far-left group Iraq Veterans Against the War calls on followers to commit fraud to interfere with military recruiters. Anti-war punks shut down the Times Square recruitment station.

October 2007: Code Pink defaces the Berkeley recruitment office, branding our troops as assassins.

Jan. 2008: The Code Pink/city council siege at the Berkeley recruiting center reaches a boiling point. Protesters chain themselves to the station to shut it down, and vandalize the windows with bloody handprints and signs branding recruiters "death pimps."

Feb. 2008: Anarchists trash the recruiting station at 14th and L Streets in Washington, D.C., which has been subjected to multiple attacks.

March 2008: The bomb goes off at the Times Square recruitment station.

When will this escalating war end? There will be no end in sight until lawmakers, law enforcement, the media and the public open their eyes to the hate, connect the dots, and stop coddling the increasingly crazed and emboldened anti-military militants before more bombs go off -- and innocents get harmed -- in the name of "peace."

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VOLUNTEER!!!
Why is ALL VOLUNTEER so hard for these people to understand? Unlike other countries, we have a choice. I wish that they would stop disrespecting that. I was proud of myself the day that I signed the contract to join our military. Everyone else that signed it should have felt the same way. Signing up for the Armed Forces is not a vacation. NO ONE ever said it would be. You do it to protect the rights that these people like to take advantage of. But everyday, you go to work, and prove your loyalty anyway. It's called the Department of Defense for a reason. What you will be doing is in the title. Defend! It's a sheer give away. Not one person should be surprised that they will go to war. YOU joined the military. Suck it up.

Anti-War But Pro-Defense
I worked with the anti-war group 'Indymedia' in New York during 2004, trying to stop Bush's re-election. I stopped working for Indymedia when I learned of their 'counter-recruitment' campaigns, which is a completely separate issue. I've always opposed the Iraq War. But undermining the willingness of young Americans to serve in the Armed Services is treason. The counter-recruiters want to change American culture to deplete the armed forces and undermine the national defense.

So one problem is the Iraq War gives cover for these misguided anti-Americans. A patriot can oppose a war, but only a traitor will oppose national defense.

And I'll say this, you would have to draft me to get me in the army, I would not volunteer for military service. Those that do have more courage than I do, and the least I can do is respect and support them, even if I oppose Bush's policies.

"Your idea is good but hate crimes only apply to White on Black crime or Heterosexual on Homosexual crime."

This statement is a lie. A black person committing a bias crime, just like anyone else, is subject to the Hate Crimes law in New York State.


They Say they want FREEDOM

I say put all their sorry butts on planes & drop them off in Iraq. I bet they'd change their minds about the military people quickly when the bullets & bombs start going off around them.

As a Proud Father of a US Marine, crap like this makes my blood boil. My son & his fellow Marines put their lives on the line so lowlifes like those protestors have the rights they have.

I wonder how many of those folks remember "If it wasn't for folks in the Military they wouldn't have the freedom to protest today".
I guess they all have forgotten that their brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles, grandfathers, grandmothers & countless friends fought and died for them to have the RIGHT to protest in the USA.

I wonder how they would have felt had we lost the war against the Japanese, Germans & the countless others we have fought against. Then if they protested(for whatever reason) thier sorry butts would be thrown in prison or shot because of it.

They Say they want FREEDOM

I say put all their sorry butts on planes & drop them off in Iraq. I bet they'd change their minds about the military people quickly when the bullets & bombs start going off around them

As a Proud Father of a US Marine, crap like this makes my blood boil. My son & his fellow Marines put their lives on the line so asswipes like those protestors have the rights they have.

I wonder how many of those folks remember "If it wasn't for folks in the Military they wouldn't have the freedom to protest today".
I guess they all have forgotten that their brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles, grandfathers, grandmothers & countless friends fought and died for them to have the RIGHT to protest in the USA.
I wonder how they would have felt had we lost the war against the Japanese, Germans & the countless others we have fought against. Then if they protested(for whatever reason) thier sorry asses would be thrown in prison or shot because of it.
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1st Amanedment & Lenin-Hitler-Mao-Castro
Hurray!
Michelle finally pronounced words prohibited in our society ruled by the First Amendment:
"Ideas have consequences."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFz1X1OCw8E&NR=1
http://election.newsmax.com/obama_pastor2/?s=al&promo_code= 4735-1
http://election.newsmax.com/obama_pastor/?s=al&promo_code=4 735-1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAYe7MT5BxM&eurl=http://election.newsmax.com/obama_pastor/?s=al&promo_code=4 735-1

Well, so what?

Then Michelle rightly says "Inaction has consequences."

Well, so what?

Melanie Morgan from the decent movement "Move America forward" selflessly organized an anti-CodePink march in Berkley.
So what? Did it change anything?
Yes, it did:
Rabid stupid Medea Benjamin with her rabid stupid CodePink spread their anti-American activities all over the USA.

The Evil needs very little to conquer the country: good decent people should just be touched by having the First Amendment; no matter who has an access to it and who has not.

This is exactly how a few now well-known individuals managed to destroy their countries: Lenin, Hitler, Mao, Castro…If not to mention almost entire Africa and Asia…

Am I against Democracy? No, I am against country-destructing stupidity.


Shoot the facists
Someone above suggested shooting the anarchists.

I don't have a problem with that; however, did you notice that almost every placed they attacked has strong anti-gun laws?

That's like teasing the tigers at a zoo and knowing you won't be attacked . . .

oh yeah, sometimes the tiger gets out! :)

A cold war vet...responds
I totally agree with is article. There is a very real war being waged right here in the U.S of A. The left has took over the medi and our schools. Malkin has hid the liberal nail on the head!!!

Huh?
Have to agree with an earlier poster, an organization of anarchists just sounds wrong. Like a feminist strip bar.

Sorry
There were 300+ posts so I scrolled to the end.

How does the monitoring of incoming calls from known terrorists figure into this?

myopine
got to go to bed soon its getting late.

here is what worries me and coincidently it is a conservative saying that spawns my concern.

you call these extenuating circumstances but as conservatives are wont to say "once the federal government starts a program it never dies"

according to mark klein who worked at the secret room at at&t, all telecommunications on the network i.e. phone, email, fax are sent to one super computer that can sort all of the transmissions by words, like attack or any reference to 9/11.
he claims it does not discriminate between foreign and domestic communication.

it just sorts out the key words, homeland security is looking for.

now i am no expert on any of this but that sounds about right to me as to way the system would work.


so how do we monitor it as civilians if the executive branch says it is secret.
what if we have a madman in the white house 10 years from now.

or just a corrupt man.

once it starts how do you end it.

this "war" could go on for 50-100 years.
will the surveillance become more or less over those years do you think?

anyway that is my perspective.

thanks for the civil conversation.

religiouslib
what is being intercepted is overseas calls from known, (or suspected), terrorists to people here that are suspect.
Just that I know of, we have 11 Hamas Cells right here in America.

I don't believe he has your aunt's phone tapped to get a copy of the muffin recipe she phones to your wife.

These are extenuating times. Most Americans are not personally touched by this war but we do have a State of Emergency!
If food & gas & tires & etc, was rationed like in WW2 it would probably wake more people to the dangers.

As to asking any Conservative to account for the actions of G.W. Bush;
Bush is just another RINO, like McCain.
MSM put him on the ballot, just like McCain.
The only thing Democrats had to run against him was J. Kerry and they could not even stuff enough ballot boxes or vote enough posthumous Democrats to get him elected and ifI posted my opinion of Kerry here it would be my last act at TH.

And I think America is in worse shape now then we were then.

myopine
one quick example;

how do you as a conservative accept the idea that bush has pretty much claimed he can listen and intercept any kind of communication by all americans.

i don't want to get in a back and forth about the fisa law and the surveillance act.

just on principle do you think the government should have access to all our information from the telecom companies.

i am not bashing bush here, i assume he thinks he is in the right.

but the libertarian in me gets worried that we are ceding to much power to executive branch.

what is your perspective on that.

well thank you myopine
i am truly a searcher for truth and that is one of the reasons i come here.

i like to have my ideas challenged as it either confirms my point of view or forces me to re-think my positions.

i will argue vehemently for things i believe in but i won't disrespect you.

you obviously enjoy the give and take also, so let down your defenses once in a while and exchange ideas rather than assume i can't think rationally.




religiouslib
I would like to make a new start with you.
Yes I do have a chip on my shoulder when I have tangled with some insulting Progressive and someone else chimes in to support him.

And according to others, I have misjudged you.

One of your questions has given me a new idea though.

jackpine
i do not know any "evil conservatives" except for those who call for the murder of their fellow americans simply because they have political differences.


i won't get into a serious discussion of peoples personality but sophie is just sophie.

she brings a little life to the boards, i mean, love her or hate her, she is never boring.

hal donahue is good writer with his own column.
he is a veteran who has done volunteer work at walter reed and deserves respect for service to his country.

i will grant you there are liberal posters who get insulting and hyperbolic and occasionally, i will say something to them about it.

if tr said that, i condemn it with no qualifications.

we need to communicate as Americans and not stereotype each other.

thanks for the civil conversation and hopefully you will find that some liberals are logical and reasonable and actually quite good people.




myopine
i don't think i even discussed a political perspective on this whole thread, i discussed the difference between hippies and anarchists and talked about the need for liberals and conservatives to communicate.

sometimes you don't even read what is being said you just automatically assume anyone who is liberal is spouting stereotypical dogma.

i am a Christian first, a husband and father second, a proud American third, and then a liberal.

but i guess that makes me a communist in your world.

kinda sad actually, because you are obviously very intelligent.

i would like to debate you sometimes but you can't seem to allow for variation of political perspectives without seeing conspiracy.

religiouslib
"""I've tried numerous times to engage many of the trolls here in a discussion and it always end up with them insulting me and even my Mother, just because I don't agree with them."

now if i misinterpreted you by thinking your statement was all-inclusive i apologise.""


It says "I've tried to engage many of the TROLLS here" It doesn't say I've engaged Liberals here.

If you want examples do a few arcive searches and look at posts by TR, Sophie, Hal Donahue, and a few others, and you'll see the same pattern repeated endlessly. Trolls try to start an argument with usually no grasp of the facts. they get their heads handed back by posters who do have the facts. and then the trolls go off on a rand and throw around invectives and call people names. (TR said he was going to rape my MOTHER!)

I guess I should just be a good liberal and let it happen, but where I grew up, TR woulda been eating a knuckle sandwich had he been handy.

Maybe that's just my "Evil conservative" side coming out huh?

HalD the simpleton.
You keep assuming you can guess how others think;
If you really could, you would see how stupid you look to other people.
As it is, you can't even imagine how stupid you look.

And in the future, when you tell lies you should keep a printout so you don't look so dumb when you get your lies crossed up and tell a different version.

I like the one about you being a guest speaker at NRA Banquets best because you invent a new version each time.

religiouslib
I gave you two lists to compare to your own postings so you can see for yourself how they agree with the Communist Agenda & Goals.

Do I think 50 million people who voted for Kerry are Communists?
Many are, many more simply follow like sheep and are too naive to notice what the Democrat Party of their parents has descended to.

How many people who support the organizations listed here do you think are aware they are supporting Democrat Socialists of America?
http://www.dsausa.org/about/history.html

How many who consider themselves to be Democrats are aware of this?
http://www.tysknews.com/Articles/democratism_pt1.htm

Lenin had a term. I won't use it here tonight.

religiouslib
I gave you two lists to compare to your own postings so you can see for yourself how they agree with the Communist Agenda & Goals.

Do I think 50 million people who voted for Kerry are Communists?
Many are, many more simply follow like sheep and are too naive to notice what the Democrat Party of their parents has descended to.

How many people who support the organizations listed here do you think are aware they are supporting Democrat Socialists of America?
http://www.dsausa.org/about/history.html

How many who consider themselves to be Democrats are aware of this?
http://www.tysknews.com/Articles/democratism_pt1.htm

Lenin had a term. I won't use it with you tonight.

jackpine
here is what you said

"I've tried numerous times to engage many of the trolls here in a discussion and it always end up with them insulting me and even my Mother, just because I don't agree with them."

now if i misinterpreted you by thinking your statement was all-inclusive i apologise.

now i have been to your blog jackpine and have bookmarked your "no trolls allowed" chat room.

you even have illustrations of trolls, granted it is aimed at robert, but never-the-less it could be viewed as offensive.

although, i will admit i was impressed by your creativity with animation.

i am an elected school board member and small business owner and would not have been successful if i did not think logically on some level.

just as all conservatives cannot be categorized neatly into one set of beliefs the same is true of liberals.





We win
This is the best news I ever heard. About six months ago, I was talking to a friend who was convinced the Dems were going to do a sweep. I said a lot can happen, and when he asked what I said a replay of '68 with the fringe left causing violence and other acts that would turn off the vast majority.

Even moderate dems (if there are any) don't like violence, even if it is against the military. Every recruiting station that they shut down is 1,000 votes for McCain.

The anti-war lost lots of sympathy from the middle when they attacked the military coming back from Vietnam as "baby killers."

By definition, and by Bell Curve, the majority are the middle. Allienate the middle and you end up with the ten per cent on your side.

ten percent never wins elections.

Keep up the good work. I may storm a recruiting center myself.

Treason or sedition
Since these people are committing treason at worst and sedition at best, there can only be two answers to teach them a lesson. Put camaras in every recruiting station then arrest everyone they can find and prosecute for attempted murder of a federal employee, or my favorite, shoot into the crowd.

religiouslib
""i take umbrage at your comment that all or most liberals insult you or talk about your mother.
i have never insulted you and i am here every day.
lilly is a consistent poster who will debate vehemently but i have never seen her use insulting language""


I see you have mastered the liberal trait of being offended for silly things.

I never said All liberals are trolls, and I'd like to see where I did.

I have had some spirited debates with plenty of liberals here, and only a few are actual trolls of the sophie variety.

Of course if you didn't get offended so easily, you might possibly be a candidate for the conservative side.

If I mention the fact that Barack Obama happens to be Black will that Offend you too? I see that Geraldene Ferarro is the latest victim of the democrat cannibalism festival.

I don't think I've ever agreed with anything ferraro has said, ever, but I don't believe she was making a racist statement. The way you dems are eating your own, you'll be lucky to have anyone to actually back your candidate come november.

Oh well libs aren't known for being logical.

myopine
despite your communist conspiracy theories i have come to have a warm place in my heart for you.

can't help but like someone who loves to debate and argue as much as you.

here's two questions,

do you think all the 50 million people who voted for john kerry are communists?

please point any of my posts on this thread that indicates i have communist leanings.

jackpine
i take umbrage at your comment that all or most liberals insult you or talk about your mother.

i have never insulted you and i am here every day.
lilly is a consistent poster who will debate vehemently but i have never seen her use insulting language.

now to label all liberals as trolls kind of sets a demeaning tone don't you think.

above it all we are americans and in my case, brothers in Christ, and need to keep that in mind no matter our differences.


DGal
I like to slip in words that make the trolls run to wikipedia to know if I insulted them or not. ;o)

Everyone needs their sport, mine is moonbat bashing. :o)

Laura (last name deleted out of respect)
You must be functioning on those Latin late night hours...hard to post when you're cuddling with the Latin lover.

religiouslib
Thank you. I would add, although it is obvious, that "political differences" can be severe.

I don't know what motivated Goldwater to make some of the statements he made when he was old. (Roger that, Icedog.) Maybe he just gave up the fight. Some things are worth fighting for. The challenge is to determine which ones, why, and keep at it.

For the Foundation (1 Cor. 3:11) of the Founders ><>

Sophia exclaims:
"BTW, the tolerant and the logical and the literate won the debate on Adams thread!"

Guess she means we conservatives prevailed as always!

(And I'll bet the Papa Soros comment is NOT a joke!)

'Night everyone!

MyOpine/religiouslib
"This will explain why we think all Liberals who come here are Communists."

Nah, you are just an old tired guy. Rest well old timer....

Jackpine Savage
Finally someone else who uses the word excoriate! So apt for Libs.

Jeff
That's my favorite Goldwater quote, although I don't agree with many comments he made (esp. on abortion).

However, hard to argue with this one...
"Sometimes I think this country would be better off if we could just saw off the Eastern Seaboard and let it float out to sea."

jeff
i pretty much defined extremists as those calling for the elimination of fellow americans who disagree with them.

this includes anyone on the right or left who sees violence as a way to make their point or settle political differences.

obviously, goldwater didn't get elected but in his later years he moved more to the center.

I was here on Christmas too mark
""But man, how nasty it is when you first arrive. I keep telling people, hey its Christmas. I am the atheist here and I have more spirit than all of ya""

You just happened to catch everyone here after arguing with idiots like knight of boohoo, and TR who took great delight in reminding all of us "Ignorant Christians" that we were all stupid for believing in a non-existant God and his fake son.

So, you kinda caught us on a bad day.

Most of the time you try to actually engage in debate around here unlike some of your fellow travellers. I've tried numerous times to engage many of the trolls here in a discussion and it always end up with them insulting me and even my Mother, just because I don't agree with them.

Before you excoriate the conservatives here for being rude, you shoud take a good look at the people "representing" the liberal side of the issues.

Before you point out the mote in your neighbor's eye......

religiouslib
This will explain why we think all Liberals who come here are Communists.

Whenever they post here they are always, without fail, supporting some part of the Communist Agenda or Goals.
Check the Agenda & Goals out and you will see exactly what I mean.

http://web.archive.org/web/20020215003619/www.dsausa.org/pc /pc.progag.html

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

ModMark
Thomas Hardy Ale (special occasions)
Chimay (when I don't have to drive)
Guinness (for health reasons)

Jackpine/MyOpine
Re: your smackdowns on viruddh....

Gentlemen, it's not very sporting to use a shotgun on a gnat. It's much more enjoyable if you at least bat him around a little before you use the "Finish Him" move...(my only 'Mortal Kombat' ref)

Shame on you bullies and your unfair tactics of using facts, references and evidence....now he may never come back.

religiouslib
I appreciate your point re "extremists are not representative of either side," but I would qualify "not" with (necessarily). And it depends on one's definition of "extremist."

Barry Goldwater's famous statement comes to mind: "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

What do you make of that?

For the Foundation (1 Cor. 3:11) of the Founders ><>

mod mark
i hope you realize my humor comment was a compliment not a negative.

since i live in almost the exact opposite geographic location from you i will throw out 2 more beers from my part of the country.

the best mexican beer i have tasted is called bohemia.

the best micro-brew in san diego is called red trolley and is a dark lager.

french canadian women huh, i dated a french woman once and she didn't shave pits or legs.
i was too in lust to care but are french canadians the same?

dgal
there are extremists on both sides who do not want to hear the other side.

there are posters on this website who consistently call all liberals and democrats communists and for the death of all liberals.

now i am not excusing the vile leftist extremists you find on daily kos, they are just as bad.


remember that extremists are not representative of either side.

to often in our plugged in culture, an incident can get over-hyped and labeled as an example of all liberals and conservatives.

not all conservatives think alike and not all liberals think alike.



Gunny
Did you misspell John Lennon's name ("Lenin" at 1:17 PM) on purpose? ;-) Whether you did or not, you distilled the essence of "Imagine" to a person who tried to establish what the song wishes: atheistic-communistic utopia. It only fails to account for God and human nature. I don't listen to it because of the emptiness of it - that so many seem eager to embrace it is disturbing. Caveat emptor.

Re MM's article and this thread: it is always interesting to see what some on the left feel about crime and punishment and having the tables, e.g, "hate crimes" (a despicable travesty if ever there was one), turned on them. Churchill's maxim about being liberal when you're young and conservative when you're wise rings true again.

I too want to welcome Chief Ping Jockey (I got it - I'm ex-Navy, ET1), CM1Jam (EW?), Susancnw, DGal, et al, to the "vast right-wing conspiracy" as Georgetwin put it. Thank you for your multi-faceted service to our country.

And thanks to Hockeylvr for the outstanding quote from Sam Adams. It's one of my favorites too.

For the Foundation (1 Cor. 3:11) of the Founders ><>

Modmark
Obviously you consider public hangings for these "people" a little too severe....so I'm sure you would support something "moderate" ....such as public lashings?

Thanks, Religious Lib
Let me just say that I read a variety of media and have been schooled both by the Liberal elite and in more conservative fora. Heck, I spent the first 12 years of education in a French school.....does that qualify as the other side of the fence? I do agree that it is important to read the other side, so to speak, but have you not noticed that this side tends to be a little more accepting of conflicting views than the other (despite widely held stereotypes)?
I have visited Slate and Salon.

ModMark
So you advocate open boarders?
Just like the other Progressives do?
http://web.archive.org/web/20020215003619/www.dsausa.org/pc /pc.progag.html

This is a far more humane answer;
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/01/19/mexican-state-whines- about-influx-of-mexican-workers/

For those who come here not to steal jobs but to victimize Americans?
They should be arrested and their imprisonment be outsourced to the LOWEST bid!
They are not Americans and are not entitled to cost Americans $33,000 per year to imprison!

Raping, robbing & killing Americans would not be so enticing if it was a good way to end up in a Haitian cane field or other foreign slave labor camp.

dgal
let me welcome you from the other side of the aisle.

some of us who are not conservatives come here to get a different perspective and give a different perspective.

if americans only participate in media that re-inforces their own point of view, they can be limited in hearing both sides and not be able to make objective decisions on crucial issues.

if you want to explore similar left-center leaning websites that are not so offensive, try slate.com or salon.com.


Primus54
I believe you're absolutely right about why the liberals who post here don't confine their efforts to forums like HuffPo or DailyKos. Several conservative posters to TownHall have reported just what you said: that if you post a conservative opinion, you are summarily booted from these sites. I also believe, although very few of the liberals who post here on TownHall would surely ever admit it, that the liberals who post here find the intellectual level of discussion on this site many magnitudes of order higher than what they'd get on the far-left blogs. Isn't it ironic that they take advantage on TownHall of the very thing - freedom of expression - that their brothers-in-arms who run the left-wing blogs put such rigid restrictions on with THEIR sites? Of course, this is the norm for leftists: anywhere they've gained sway in this country (the K-12 and college education systems are poster children for this), they move to rigidly restrict the very freedom, freedom of expression, they claim to champion?

DGal
""This place is really a pleasure and it wouldn't be anywhere near as entertaining without the trolls. I have visited DailyKos and Huffington but have never tried to post....seems like such a futile exercise!""

Futile exercise pretty much fits.

I tried an experiment on Kos once, I went to a random thread and posted "George Bush isn't so bad". OMG you'd think I'd just set the place on fire! I was instantly vilified by every freak on the thread, and my post was wiped in 5 minutes, along with my account.

Liberals are the champions of free speech ya know.


Jackpine
Didn't realize she was Laura Bush also...too funny. But don't MESS with Maggie and Condi! Two of the truly great female minds (along with Jeanne Kirpatrick, Phyllis Schlafly etc.) in the political world.

Thanks, Primus!
This place is really a pleasure and it wouldn't be anywhere near as entertaining without the trolls. I have visited DailyKos and Huffington but have never tried to post....seems like such a futile exercise!

DGal
Let me also welcome you to the wonderful world of Townhall commentary.

You will find that most of we conservatives share "Standshisground's" philosophy, although, unlike him, I like to provide our regular trolls with nicknames. Guess I'm not as cultured! :-)

I have a philosophy of why we get these trolls. Don't know if you've ever visited the leftist's main websites such as DailyKos or HuffPo, but if you do, you'll notice they don't allow conservative opinions. If you try to post such opinion, you are summarily booted from their sites.

Therefore, it is my belief that this bores the hell out of some of them, so they come here to "fight". It gives them an opportunity to entertain a base instinct, without actually putting themselves in any real danger.

If you've been hanging around for long, you know these threads have changed much over the last year or so. Don't know if for better - or for worse - although there ARE a couple of trolls I'd really like to see get a permanent boot - or at least a significant suspension to see if they can behave when they return.

Welcome aboard!

Dgal
I had to post to you, after I saw the impressive slapdown of sophie. :o)

You may also remember her as "Laura Bush" "Condi Rice", "Margaret Thatcher" and others.

I agree, you have to be living a really sad "life" to spend all day and night on a site where you disagree with everything, and hate most of the other members.

But then again, liberals aren't big on Logic to begin with. :o)

To ModMark
By the way, note that I didn't mention YOUR name in my post just now of liberal posters whose standard post on TownHall is vitriol, ad hominem attacks, and name-calling - and it's not because your name slipped my mind at the time I was composing that post, either. I believe in giving credit where credit is due, so I'll give you credit for being a considerable cut above those names I mentioned in my prior post; how many of the other liberal posters we've come to know so well on TownHall would have complimented Mountain Rose on her wicked lampooning of Hillary Clinton to the tune of Barry Manilow's "Copacabana" in her post on Dick Morris' recent thread?

MyOpine
Your 8:13 to "viruddh" was excellent.

You have provided facts and laid waste to his innuendo.

That sound you hear are his foot-falls as he heads for the TH exit - probably to the DNC website to copy his next set of talking points.

One thing you can bet your mortgage on - he will not provide links or undisputed facts to back up his argument. He can't, because he's wrong.

Of course, he'll try diverting the subject - saying WE are missing his point.

It's easy to catch an un-greased piglet - diversion and innuendo is the grease leftists use to "win" an argument.

Standshisground
LOL at the dropping the "r". And you're right...it's endlessly entertaining to throw out the bait. I've been reading the Mike Adams thread also. It is really frightening to read the questions posed so logically and simply and have them repeatedly ignored. I guess hope springs eternal! Oh wait, maybe we can just hope for "change" a la BHO.

DGal, on Sophie
Don't let Sophie get to you. Regarding the modus operandi you subscribe to her - unsubstantiated, personal, and ad hominem attacks: well, that's pretty much the game plan for the vast majority of the liberal posters on TownHall (read your typical submission by Lilly, calm.touj, Hal Donahue, MellorSJ2, Robert, Will, etc. and tell me I'm wrong). Whenever I post a challenge to any leftie that posts on this site, I expect nothing BUT ad hominem attacks or ridicule from them. I still enjoy putting out facts and daring them to respond even though I know they're not going to answer them with any counter-response pretty much other than ad hominem attacks or ridicule. I don't come to this site expecting much in the way of common sense from those on the left for the reason Ann Coulter stated that is the title of her new book: if Democrats had any brains, they'd be Republicans. Nor, by the way, do I respond to them with name-calling. I was sorely tempted in a post I just made to Mike Adams' thread today, in mentioning Sophie, Immortal, to leave off the "t" in her screen name, but I decided I wouldn't do that, because I'm not going to let these left-wingers drag me down to THEIR grade-school level of argument.

Jackpine Savage
Thanks! I've been lurking for a couple of years now, and have gotten to know a lot of the personalities through their posts. Sophie Immortal seems to be relatively new...but am painfully familiar with the likes of HalD, Robert, the ever-entertainingly sincere Lilly and the ilk!
Amen to the different strokes. I can't imagine spending that much time every day trying to prove to those I consider idiots that they are truly idiots. That's got to get wear on you after a while!
Again, thanks for the welcome and it is a TRUE pleasure to find such a treasure trove of thoughtful, conservative minds!

DGal
Welcome to TH, don't remember seeing you round these parts.

You seem to have become aquainted with one of our resident Trolls. Sophie and her idiot fellow travellers get a huge kick out of posting stupid things then relishing the abuse.

Different strokes and all that I guess. :op

WildWest,
I've noticed that! 9 out of 10 times I'll read her posts and laugh it off. But that tenth time the arrogance, self-satisfaction, egotism, and superciliousness are just galling. Must be tough going through life having to prove one's intellectual superiority to a forum for which one has such blatant disdain!

viruddh
When you call a TH Author a liar, YOU bear the burden of PROOF!

Show me proof of Conservative anti-war protesters.
Which of these do you call "Right Wing"

http://discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/themany.html

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={F1A277 70-4C2B-4B19-A795-881A0B8B4C14}

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID={05D6F7 75-4573-45AD-AD87-83F4283D7532}

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=24153

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPrint.asp?Page=/Politics/archive /200705/POL20070516a.html

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?in did=629

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=5047411 B-3FDC-4750-8EAA-50B610FBC4C0

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=\\Specia lReports\\archive\\200508\\SPE20050825a.html

http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-TUpCdsQmYqcjHcNZ9xfaR14-?cq= 1&tag=codepink

You stinking COMMUNISTS have been cowering behind euphemism here at TH and posting crap to support your Agenda for a long time and gotten away with it.

Yes I expect you to whimper about being called a Communist.
NOW cite an example where any of you have failed to support any communist goal?
Your posts identify you, not your silly protests!

Viruddh misses the point again
""I guess you and Jackpine insist on missing my
point. Ms. Malkin, the supposed reporter
and the bearer of truth, light, and justice here, wrote a whole column here about the awful liberals without proving that any of them are
liberals, except for maybe one group.""


Anyone with 2 working brain cells doesn't really need to be told that the incidents MM talks about in her column were performed by 1) anarchists, or 2) radical "Peace" activists.

I'm sorry viruddh, but twist it as you may, you just don't hear about "Right wing activists" Blowing up Military recruiting Stations.

That's your shtick.

Thanks for playing though, here's a week's supply of Simoniz.

Dear Sophie Immortal
I've followed this whole thread today (and others over the last few days) and have noticed a definite pattern. You post unsubstantiated, personal and Ad Hominem attacks on every poster possible, emphasize over and over what idiots all these people are, then throw in some sexual innuendo. I'm thinking that that heroic immigrant husband of yours needs to come home and pay "attention" to his wife.

Calling Curtal Friar!
You expressed your disappointment a little while ago that Sophie, Immortal was gone. NEWS BULLETIN: looks like she's playing right now on Mike Adams' thread.

MyOpine
I guess you and Jackpine insist on missing my
point. Ms. Malkin, the supposed reporter
and the bearer of truth, light, and justice here, wrote a whole column here about the awful liberals without proving that any of them are
liberals, except for maybe one group.

The fact of the matter is I don't know what kind
of groups they are, but then I have no indication
from Malkin that she does either.

Viruddh
""Facts, are you kidding. If Malkin can make
assumptions so can I.""

I actually read the article bud, not just the title, nowhere does she make assumptions, she just states facts. Those instances are all publically available for reference. Of course I understand that for a liberal facts are foreign things.

You have all the journalistic integrity of the new york times Viruddh.

Are you trying to say that enlightened liberals like yourself are incapable of such acts?
Are you going to tell me next that "Peace Activists" don't commit violent crimes?


Liberals can be so Freaking FUNNY!

At war with America...
Once again the American Left has proven itself to be a formidable fighting machine; one capable of organizing a fierce gorilla insurgency against its archenemy, the United States of America—and, in particular, our Armed Forces.


It’s inspiring to see them plan and execute a nationwide campaign to shut down their enemy’s recruitment capacity. And, it’s remarkable to see the bravery displayed by these new-age “heroes” when they come face to face with their enemy in the deadly confines of those recruitment offices—knowing full well, that at any moment they might be bodily escorted from the premises. Oh, the horror of it all!


Facing-off against Al-Qaeda in Iraq is mere child’s play compared to brutality of street protests in Berkeley. Patrolling the streets of Baghdad is nothing compared to wars these Left Wing warriors are waging on fronts all across America; taking “casualties” in such bloody battles as the campaign against gas-guzzling SUV’s, the crusade against Global Warming, the war on corporate America, and, of course, let’s not forget the deadly struggle to silence (conservative) talk radio.


Given the convection with which they soldier on against our nation, one cannot help but wonder where on earth these people got the notion that they could reorder American into a new and improved Soviet Union. Oh, sorry, that’s right—they’re all products of the America education system.


The American Left believes it has America’s true enemies in its sights, and it’s not militant Islamic fundamentalism.


No, as far as the Left is concerned, America’s real enemy is us—We The People—the ones who don’t buy into their view of history and our future.
So, when a real, external evil comes calling don’t plan on the Left joining the fray. No, sorry, they’ll be down at the Marine recruitment station, burning the American flag in support of whoever is attacking us.


viruddh
What JackPine was asking for was links.

Like for instance, if I was to post that you Communists are affiliated with pedophiles I would post a link like this;
http://www.santorumblog.com/index.php/2006/10/06/demand-tha t-democrats-condemn-the-aclu-and-nambla/

or this;
http://hollycrud.com/2006/10/nancy-girl-wants-old-gays-with -young.html

All Jack wants you to do is verify your source!

Jackpine Savage
Oh Yeah, show me the facts dude.

***

Facts, are you kidding. If Malkin can make
assumptions so can I.

viruddh
""Actually except for maybe two of those groups,
the people you are talking about are right
wingers.
Have a nice day.""

Oh Yeah, show me the facts dude.

The only anti-war "right wingers" I've ever heard about is the crazy phelps church who believes everyone but their 12 worshippers (all phelps family) will burn in hell.

Enlighten us viruddh, if you can toss out these so-called facts, you must have something to back them up ight?

Or are you just doing the usual liberal dance and talking out of your ailamentary canal?

Why is the left so silent?
Abortion office bombings back in the 80's and the tactics and words used by those battling abortion were very similar to what these "peace" groups are now doing with the military. Back then the left was very vocal about how wrong and evil these tactics and words were (and they were mostly correct). Now they are largely silent; or could it be that the people who were condemning that action 20 years ago when it came to abortion are the very people who are now employing that same action with the military?

To Ms Rabble Rouser Malkin
Actually except for maybe two of those groups,
the people you are talking about are right
wingers.

Have a nice day.

Ken
""Yes, a liberal has admitted it. They want to draft your children and pay them starvation wages. See why you shouldn't vote for Democrats?""

Of course the libs won't be happy until our military is completely dismantled, because everyone knows that having a military just makes your neighbors hate you.

For now they'll be happy with reducing our military back to the jimmah carter years where military families lived on food stamps, then they have another victim class to rule over, er I mean feel compassion for.


Presidents
Somebody tell us of ONE president who resigned his job to run for a second term, or his 3d or 4th in the case of FDR.

As to this article, I had never heard of most of the attacks on military recruiters, but if an abortion clinic had been a target you can bet we would have heard about that!

But, not to worry---if a Dem. is elected president we can close all recruiting stations becasue we will not have a military.

Let's make an example
out of these traitors and start public hangings . When they kill one person that will be one to many . Someone needs to tell code stink that they should be arrested for wearing those tights in public . That's eye pollution.

A liberal admits it!
Bleeding Heart Liberal has admitted it! Here's the Democrats' agenda if they get elected:

"Within 5 to ten years, their [military personnel] pay will no longer be indexed to a COLA. The draft will be re-instituted at 25% of regular pay. The draft will be universal with no exceptions."

Yes, a liberal has admitted it. They want to draft your children and pay them starvation wages. See why you shouldn't vote for Democrats?

I'm back
And it's too bad Sophies gone.

I was going to tell her all about building a wall along the border, manning a watchtower, and singing "The Border Crosser" which goes to the tune of La Cucaracha. It's about as politically incorrect as you can get, as far as the issue of illegal aliens goes.

Ah, well, there's always tomorrow.

And the Libs here are not Communists?
The very issues we see the Libs on this site posting in favor of are advocated by Communists USA.

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

This "Progressives" list is shorter and easier to read.
http://web.archive.org/web/20020215003619/www.dsausa.org/pc /pc.progag.html

If Liberals are not Communists then why do they invariably post on behalf of Communist issues?

Bleeding Heart
"I disliked GW when he was running in 2000. I tagged him as a liar and scoundrel."

In contrast to that "honest and upstanding" Bill Clinton?

"We, as a nation, cannot afford to pay our military what we do."

Yet the Democrats will somehow manage to find the money to support their pet liberal projects. It seems the only area where you libs want to cut spending is on national defense.

Keep talking. You're making my case well.

Oh my
I certainly didn't know that president Bush broke precedent by not resigning the presidency in order to campaign for his second term.
Gosh what a rotter he is. Thanks for shedding light on that Lilly.
You learn so much here on Townhall.

but licking mutt scribbles:
Hey Mallalang - you don't like it here? I'm sure there's a palne ticket back to your America-hating home...

Hey dummy, she is from here. You remind me of a kid in the neighborhood. His dad use to tell him, boy you are stupid as the day is long.

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean
Write in a name folks, it is still a free country! Well, until McQuack comes up with more ideals on how to kill free speech.


Illegal aliens murder 12 Americans daily

Death toll in 2006 far overshadows total U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq, Afghanistan

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53 103

“… most Americans have no idea more of their fellow citizens men, women and children were murdered this year by illegal aliens than the combined death toll of U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan since those military campaigns began.

“Twelve Americans are murdered every day by illegal aliens, according to statistics released by Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa. If those numbers are correct, it translates to 4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens.”

That's 30,660 since Sept. 11, 2001.

Get it?? THIRTY THOUSAND!!!


“But the carnage wrought by illegal alien murderers represents only a fraction of the pool of blood spilled by American citizens as a result of an open border and un-enforced immigration laws.

“While King reports 12 Americans are murdered daily by illegal aliens, he says 13 are killed by drunk illegal alien drivers.
“While no one in or out of government ? tracks all U.S. accidents caused by illegal aliens, the statistical and anecdotal evidence suggests many of last year's 42,636 road deaths involved illegal aliens.

“A report by the AAA Foundation for Traffic Study found 20 percent of fatal accidents involve at least one driver who lacks a valid license. In California, another study showed that those who have never held a valid license are about five times more likely to be involved in a fatal road accident than licensed drivers. “

Veterans
It is great to see all you veterant and patriots posting about this issue.

Bless all women and men serving inour armed forces today, you veterans who have served and the patriots who support them andn the country.

My father and 3 iuincles all founght in WWII. What a great generation of women and men!

I volunteered for the Marine Corps in 1967. I had some medical issures which came to light during boot camp at Parris Island. I received an Honorable Discharge as the Marines did not give Medical Discharges then.

THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SERVICE.

YOU MOONBATS SUCK!!!!




Yeah, Georgetwin
I'm out of here, too.

While I love a good game of "liberal football", it is boring playing against the little league.

Cheers, all!

Sophia replies:
"yes yes yes smarty pants primus"

"But it is common and accepted practice to refer to it as a democracy since we embrace democratic principles..."

- - - - - - - - - -

Then stop being condescending toward "Hank" - just a dose of your own medicine.

Remember the glass house axiom?


Primus-Hank-Anne-Curtal-Sophie
I'm Gone!

Funnier Still
You are entitled to your own opinion, I never said you weren't. Typical liberal gets hysterical for no reason...

Since you have a comprehension problem, I'll help you. You can have an opinion, just understand it's your opinion only. Illegal immigration is illegal for a reason.

While you slobber all over yourself for that illegal serving you food (Or is it just the food?), you cast aside any feelings for the American she displaced. You stick up for people that break our laws to be here and then whine about those of us that want them out.

Does that clear things up for you?

Sophie
True, but as previously discussed, THERE ARE Hostile Folks that cross the border too! Hence, the need for The Extreme Defense Option.

Sophia with a thousand names(Communist)
It is not called "Democracy" any more.
The New Left word is "Democratism"

This explains it all;
http://www.tysknews.com/Articles/democratism_pt1.htm

Primus54: I know your intentions were

good... but it's not that halD "doesn't want to share the spotlight as the "strongest liberal woman" posting."

We all know that he doesn't like to share the spotlight with another flaming idiot such as himself...

And you really think he'd come withing 100miles of this column? HA! Not on his life!!!!!








Civics 101
To the Civics 101-challenged:

The United States is a representative republic - not a true democracy.

Sheesh!

Sophie
Sophie, Immortal... writes:

"I am ashamed you are my countrymen."

Believe me...we ain't all that thrilled about it either.

Sophie, Immoral
I have no problem extending a helping hand to those less fortunate - whatever their origin.

In fact, endless studies have shown that conservatives are far more generous than liberals with their charitable donations, nationally and internationally.

The U.S. has a mechanism for legal immigration. It sounds like your husband is following the rules - so why shouldn't everyone who wants to come here?

Why would you or your husband, who has followed the rules, defend those who refuse?

If you really want to do something to help out those less fortunate, go to their country and help them change it into a country of prosperity. Mexico has many, many natural resources (including oil)- and the workers that come here seem to be productive - so why isn't Mexico working out for them?

If you want to "change" or "fix" a country, why not theirs?

Sophie
OK, my mistake. There have always been irrational haters. Hold your nose :) and read Sean Hannity & Bill O’Reilly stories about the hatred their Irish ancestors faced on coming to America. In a post 09/11 Era for reasons of National Security, Public Health and Public Safety, undocumented illegals CANNOT be allowed. A Solid Majority of Americans feel that way and NOWHERE NEAR all of them are irrational haters.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Try to right it when it's wrong....

What a narcisistic thing to say. Who are you to say when the country is wrong? Your opinion only you twit.

What a completely arrogant and self-righteous pile of garbage...

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Sophia with a thousand names(Communist)
Pay attention, this is important.

A Chicano woman my wife worked with for years, friend of the family, etc., was in a similar situation with a Mexican National.
He lived with her and worked in America, AND SENT MONEY TO MEXICO!

When his ranch in Mexico was paid for, he dumped the American girl and went back to Mexico to live on his ranch with his Mexican wife & children!

Hear this happens fairly often.
HEADSUP!

All good people:
I can't help but wonder if one of these Socialist LIBS might be minus a bicycle.

Sophie's Hubby (must be blind)
""Sophie
If I might ask you, WHY is your husband here if he doesn't care for America?""

That's pretty easy to figure out GT, her hubby is here to get his share of the "Liberal american dream" Free money, free health care, free education, and all the FUPA he can stand. :D

Jackpine Savage - per The Canine Coward
The DT's interfere with Comprehension.

Primus54
Yesterday or Monday on Limbaugh's Column (i think), somebady called Hal a Left-Winger or something like that and he FREAKED!

Hank
I wonder how long after he gets his greencard he dumps her.

Well, assuming he's not trapped in her enormous FUPA

Sophie
Yeah... whatever.

Sophie
If I might ask you, WHY is your husband here if he doesn't care for America?

Sophie & Others, For the Record, My Mother-In-Law is a naturalized citizen from Poland who HATES America who plans to retire to Poland when she retires. I TRY to hold my tongue when she starts ranting. SO FAR, I just stare daggers, but it is getting HARDER! Thankfully, we only see her on holidays.

The day she leaves is ALSO celebrated :)!

Georgetwin
Makes you kinda wonder if Hillary's got some great photos of Hal to blackmail him with if she loses, doesn't it?

Yeah - he's always been a little weird, but he's been like flash paper the last couple of weeks. Only takes a spark to get him to post nonsense and inanities as a temper tantrum.

The next time he comes on - think I'll just post a couple hundred "LMAO"s in a message to him.

You'd think that by now, he'd have laughed it all off - then I remembered that he's a liberal - therefore he's all a$$!

Shaggy the Idiot
""So the US military is exempt from protest? I don't see any exemption from free speech in the constitution!""

There is a big difference in Peaceful Protest, and destruction of govt. property. You'd think that even a synaptically challenged liberal could understand that.

Of course to a lib, the Ends always justify the means. Who cares if they kill a few evil military recruiters? Of course if those recruiters also performed abortions they'd become the "Protected class".

The depths of liberal Hypocrisy never fails to astound me.

CVN65
did you ever get that relative bearing grease I sent you out for?

Primus54
SERIOUSLY, have you noticed that the more Shrillary LOSES, the more agitated The Doofusmesiter gets?

Hank - Re: Sophia
Don't you just love it when a sanctimonious jackass accuses you of having a poor vocabulary, then follows with this gem?:

"It means I think they (sic) behavior was NOT good..."

Liberals! Can't live with them, can't shoot them and say they are stripping down in Atlanta!

Bullet Bob
So sophie is hitched to an illegal huh? I wonder how long after he gets his greencard he dumps her.

Georgetwin
I have it on good intelligence that Hal D won't come onto these threads anymore if Sophia is here.

Apparently, he doesn't want to share the spotlight as the "strongest liberal woman" posting.

My Vocabulary??
is just fine, thank you.

Your post was up before my last one. But I noticed I had to push you into saying it was "bad".

And your silly little response to Curtal exposes you for the America-hater you really are. So what about the American that can't make ends meet because someone that's in our country illegally has taken their job? To hell with them, huh? As long as someone gives you more food to shovel in your gullet. That FUPA isn't going to maintain itself!!

Do you even know what you're talking about?? About as sharp as a bowling ball...

Primus54
You really hit ground running today!

Curtal
I very rarely post here but I've been reading the threads long enough to know Sophie is married to an illegal alien, so it's a sore spot with her. Nice to meet you too.

BHL
And we have only your honesty and integrity as a fine liberal to rely upon about your past predictions, don't we?

Hmmm... let's see, YOU predicted GWB was a liar and a scoundrel.

Now that's a real tough prediction to make.

First of all, that is said about ALL politicians, no matter their political bent.

Second, it doesn't matter if GWB IS or IS NOT a liar and a scoundrel - leftists will say he is anyway. Their default position is that EVERY politician behaves as they do.

And your last paragraph about the draft - that is pure fantasy from a paranoid leftist.

Jackpine Savage
Probably posting from a Library Computer WE paid for. I wonder if he has moved to his Summer Cardboard Box in Battery Park or if he is still in The Winter Cardboard Box in The Bronx.

BTW, where is Hal Doofus, the DEFENDER OF THE TROOPS on this issue? My guess is that after Shrillary got her head handed to her is Mississippi last night, there was a spirited game of Ben-Hur at Shrillary Headquarters and I’ll bet Hal Doofus wasn’t driving The Chariot :)!

Ken re 3:26
We already do.

I must have gotten wisdom somewhere along the line. I disliked GW when he was running in 2000. I tagged him as a liar and scoundrel. It would appear the rest of the country finally caught up.

When sub prime mortgages first appeared, I thought it was lunacy. The rest of the country finally caught up.

Here's prophecy from my wisdom.

We, as a nation, cannot afford to pay our military what we do. Within 5 to ten years, their pay will no longer be indexed to a COLA. The draft will be re-instituted at 25% of regular pay. The draft will be universal with no exceptions. The rich will find a way to weasel out, but that is normal.



Sophie
The woman with the baby in her arms?

Nah, I would not shoot her.

The idiot with the knife and the gun across his back and the duffle bag filled with cocaine would go down in a bloody mist after being on the receiving end of a few 50cal rounds.

The others behind him would probably turn back and go home.

By the way, Sophie, is that sweet little lady who sells fish tacos an illegal?

If yes, then do you know what accessory means?

That sweet little illegal lady is occupying a job while one sweet little American lady who needs more money is out of luck because of all the damned illegals that make it impossible for her to find work.

You make me sick.

I hope you feel the contempt in my voice, Sophie. What about compassion for you own countrymen? I guess they don't matter much in your worldview.

Sophie