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Wednesday, June 27, 2007
Michelle Malkin :: Townhall.com Columnist
Clear the Damn Backlogs First
by Michelle Malkin
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Harry Reid boasts of his compassion for "undocumented Americans." President Bush wants understanding for "newcomers" without papers. The so-called Grand Bargainers on both sides of the aisle in the Senate are pushing forward this week with their massive plan to "regularize" the unregularized and bring in hundreds of thousands of extra foreign guest workers on top of the ones who are already here or have been waiting for approval for years.

Why can't anyone in Washington pinpoint what's wrong with this picture?

Over the last several years, I've noted the following immigration backlogs that continue to plague our homeland security system:

-- The backlog of 600,000-plus fugitive deportee cases.

-- The backlog of an estimated 100,000 FBI background checks for legal immigrant applicants.

-- The disappearance of 111,000 citizenship applications.

-- The backlog of 4 million immigration applications of all kinds.

The Washington Post reported that those mounds of unprocessed paperwork continue to grow. Hundreds of thousands of immigrants who came here legally are waiting for FBI background checks that must be obtained before they can become naturalized. Since 2005, the paper recently showed, the "backlog of legal U.S. immigrants whose applications for naturalization and other benefits are stuck on hold awaiting FBI name checks has doubled to 329,160."

That's right. The FBI name check backlog stands at nearly 330,000 cases.

After an embarrassing citizenship screw-up that I reported on in November 2002 involving a known Hezbollah terrorist who received naturalization approval, immigration officials resubmitted 2.7 million names of applicants to the FBI for additional scrutiny. The Post reports that "[m]ore than five years later, the FBI is only now emerging from that huge load, with about 5,800 names left to be rechecked."

But the pile-up persists: According to homeland security officials who spoke with the Post, about 90 percent of name checks emerge with no matches within three months, after an automated search of databases. But the rest can take months or years. There are only 30 analysts and assistants to coordinate with 56 field offices and retrieve files stored in 265 locations nationwide. The FBI is now falling further behind on the new caseload of some 1.5 million fresh names submitted by immigration officials every year.

"No one is happy with the status quo," U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Deputy Director Jonathan "Jock" Scharfen told the paper. "We share the public's unhappiness with this, and we're committed to improving the process."

Hey, how about we fix that process before adding millions more "guest worker" applications to the bureaucratic mess?

How about we make legal immigrant applicants the priority over illegal aliens for once?

How about we clear the obstructions to the "path to citizenship" for those who followed the rules and came here the right way before we start paving the "path to citizenship" for those who did it the wrong way?

When the shamnesty proponents start blubbering about compassion and fairness, ask them where their compassion is for the hundreds of thousands of legal immigrant applicants who are getting screwed -- and who have paid far more in legal fees and processing fees than the measly, cosmetic "fine" the shamnesty plan proposes for illegal aliens.

As I wrote back in January, when I warned of the Coming Amnesty Disaster while too many people were still snoozing:

We are incapable of imposing order and handling the current crush of legal immigrant applicants in a fair and timely way. You want "comprehensive immigration reform"? Start with border control, reliable adjudications, consistent interior enforcement, and efficient and effective deportation policies. And don't pretend that piling on is going to fix a darned thing.

Memo to the Department of Homeland Security: Clear the damn backlogs first.

Memo to the Senate: Clear the damn backlogs first.

Memo to the White House: Clear the damn backlogs first.

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right on, Michelle.
Clear the backlog, all right. How about the backlog to get a simple passport? Can't clear that backlog either. HOW is this brokeback government going to process applications of 12-20 million illegals to get z-visas? It's not going to happen. They are going to get a pass and we, as a nation, will be left holding the bag. More taxes, more crime, more distribution of wealth and more spanish everywhere you look.
As the old song said: get ready cause here it comes.....

"Undocumented Americans" per Scary Reid
Is that like "unlicensed pharmacists", AKA drug dealers?

Or "Unlicensed car dealers" AKA carjackers?

Maybe "Uncertified Euthenasists" AKA murderers..

What buffoons these leftists and scamnestists are, including El Presidente Jorge Bush.


BTW, Michelle, another Memo to All: Build the damned fence first!

What We Are Witnessing
No. Our government would never stoop to pulling a scam on it's citizens. Would it?

Nice potty-mouth
...for an anchor baby.

I'm ashamed to say
that Harry Reid represents my state. Notice his artful use of the American Heritage Dictionary of Politically Correct English: "Undocumented Americans"

I think I'm going to vomit.

This is a man who can't even string two words together without telling two lies in the process:

1. They aren't Americans. Geographic location does not automatically result in transformation of status. Apparently Harry has never figures this out. Maybe he thinks that if he stands in the garage, he'll become a car. That seems to be his attitude about what causes one to become an American.

2. "Undocumented"? As in, "gee, I must have left my wallet at home officer, but I assure you I do have a driver's license?" I don't think so. Undocumented implies "met all the requirements, just haven't quite finished up the paperwork yet." That isn't what we have here.

So let's call them what they are: Illegal Aliens.

When my Canadian wife
married me, we had to wait 12 months to process the INS paperwork, just so she could get a green card and live/work in the same country as her husband. Then, when we decided to live in Canada for a time, it was an 18 month wait to go the other direction and legally bring me into Canada. 7 years later, when we moved back to the USA and I wanted to re-patriate and bring her with me, it was another 12-month wait.

I've been through the system, waited my turn, AND I WAS BORN HERE. Why on God's green earth do we feel we owe anyone from outside these borders ANYTHING in terms of an inalienable right to become a US Citizen? What has happened to the collective American common sense? Next, we'll be abolishing prisons because it "breaks up families" with our misguided notions of compassion and "fairness."

Make no mistake: this isn't about compassion for all immigrants. It is a politically and racially motivated movement for one very particular kind of immigrant: hispanic.

I should think that every hispanic that entered this country legally and waited their turn should be absolutely incensed. I know that I would be, and my experience with the INS was just a pittance compared to what most endure.

As Malkin points out, it is a slap in the face to those who have tried to play by the rules and enter the country legally. The message that's being sent? Go ahead and sneak in. Those waiting in line peacefully will be punished, you'll be rewarded with the very thing you wanted (citizenship) and a little PINO (punishment in name only) thrown in for appearance sake.

Where's the compassion for me?
I am having my city stolen out from under me by a bunch of foreigners of all stripes, a Mayor who thinks he is the reincarnation of Evita Peron, a governor who thinks he is fooling us that he is not taking orders from Teddy Kennedy, a Police Chief who is willing to sell out his officers in order to keep his lousy job, a city attorney whose wife is a fugitive from the law, and a city council who refuse to enforce existing immigration laws.

This last weekend, a group of black activists had a planned march against illegal immigrants who are stealing their jobs, and had permits to hold their peaceful demonstration. But when they arrived at the park, the pro-amnesty nasties had already taken it over-illegally (what's new?)- and threatend violence against the blacks who had the rightful permits, if they entered the park.

The black group complained to the police, who told them that they should go home, and did nothing to the Hispanics who were behaving like thugs.

I am fed up with the limp-wristed approach to immigration enforcement in this country, and in LosT Angeles in particular.

BrianR - "build the d@mn fence first!"
Amen!

Just say "NEVER" to Amnesty.
If we are willing to do what it will take, then solving this crisis couldn't be simpler:

* Build and patrol the wall; repel the invaders.

* Jail the employers.

* Fine the landlords.

* Abolish the "sanctuaries".

* Identify and detain all illegals who make contact with law enforcement and public services (schools, hospitals, etc.); deport them promptly.

Once they no longer have livelihoods or shelter, they will voluntarily return to their countries of origin.

As for the politicians betraying our country by pushing this or any other amnesty bill, hanging in a public square may be a bit harsh, so let's just turn them all out in the next applicable primary cycle. And as for the president, we cannot be rid of him soon enough: I've voted for the man eight times now (primary and general elections for Texas governor and president), and I cannot hear him speak on this subject without being physically sickened.

One of the best articles so far
We should inforce the existing laws first. Build the fence, punish employers, and stop the anchor babies. Declare a moratorium on ALL immigration until the backlogs and ghettos are cleared.

What frightens me
is there is something we dont know. None of the current explanations out there account for this inexplicable behavior by our "conservative" elected leaders. Further it's something we are not wanted to know.
One can guess, but where that leads is even less comforting. But consider, With this massive influx of undocumented immigrants; How can they not be worried about terrorist attacks? Do they not believe those who let them in will be held up to blame when those attacks occur? Apparently not. WHY NOT?
They feel there is something they KNOW which will turn this to their advantage.I can think of only a very few possiblities which would explain this and they point at a bigger storm than the one which they are creating.

Thanks to the GA Senators for a No vote
I just wanted to say that my two senators have voted no on the immigration bill and I am very proud of them.

Michelle
Again I agree with you 100% so do most of the American People. We need to close the borders and stop the Illegals before any "Amnesty" should even be legislated. Legal immigants and the lower class suffers from preferences given to illegals for their "slave Labor". I am against any thing my "Uncle Teddy" does, since he is a hippocrite that abandons his own offspring like the rest have...don't need to hear moral values out of that bunch! Have a great day and keep up the good work, Michelle...Grandmaster Ro

We all know what should be done!
And could be done! Bush could seal the boarder tight with a phone call. Then set about sifting through the illegal aliens in the country.

But instead, Bush and all those that support this scamnestiy bill. Give the American people the finger! This defiance and rejection of the American people is, in my opinion, enough reason to rebel and take back our government! They are in-your-face Traitors and don't give a damn what we think of them!

Bly
The real reason behind this bill is not Immigration at all. Thats the front for the sell out of America through the SPP (Security and Prosperity Partnership) for the NAU. This way they need not really enforce the lwas and restrict future illegal immigration because t=soon enough the US, Canada and Mexico will merge as one moving towarde the New World Order. RFID chipping will start immediatly after this bill passes...first for Immigrants and then for the populance. Mexico under this bill will immediatly get Social Security Benifit rights and we have to pay all legal expenses for any dissatisified farm worker (hispanic only). The list goes on and on. This is about President Jorge's agenda that his Nazi grandfather (proven through the library of congress) could not get done when he and others tried to stage a military coop in the 40's to start the New world Order, and he and others were even warned by Congress to stop. Now we have a Nazi Sympathiser in office who is a member of Skull and Bones (which is a secret Nazi orginization and proponent of the NWO and 1 world globalism. This president is a member of Bohemiah Grove which has a pagen cermony worshiping a diety mentioned in the Old Testament. This President has just recently, along with the vice said that their office is above scurnity by the government under the checks and balances and have seperated themselves from them. Why on Tuesday did the President call this bill Amnesty if its not? Read the story here http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2007/260607_b_Amnesty.htm

Bly if you want to know more about the NWO plans and the Illumanati goals go to YouTube and look under Alex Jones, 666, 9-11 inside job..etc. There are many news and documentary clips there that will show you whats going on. The selling out of America. What I get pissed off about is that with July 4th comming up we are spitting in the face of everyone. Not just that but since were going from a Democracy to a Dictatorship and socialism instead of capitalism the President and the Congress is basically spitting on all persons who gave their lives in scarafice from the beginning of this country till they pass this bill. It negates every sacrafice ever made in Blood to make this a Sovereign Nation, a place free from Tyrany, a place where you could live free and make your life better. Now we have just a political mess, political correctness and the selling out of an bankrupting of America so the elite can have their slave class and the middle American (who give politicians the most trouble passing laws) will be gone forever. Just two classes then. The elite rich and the slave worker bees.

If people wish to see some of what going on go to http://www.prisonplanet.com/

Michelle-- a voice of reason
KEEP CALLIN' FOLKS!!

This was just a procedural vote yesterday-- some who voted for cloture did so for cover-- they will switch and vote correctly on Thursday. Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.), who rightfully opposes scamnesty, said that your calls, e-mails and faxes are REALLY rattling their cages in the Senate, and urged that Americans keep barraging her peers.

Here is the official Senate contact site:

http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/index.htm

And here are talking points:

http://www.numbersusa.com/hottopic/2454talkingpts.html
http://www.numbersusa.com/index
http://minutemanhq.com/hq/amnesty_action.php

Here are free, already-prepared faxes:

http://www.numbersusa.com/actionbuffet

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The next 2 days are critical since they are trying to cram it thru by Thursday before there is more time for Middle America to see how egregious the details are. It should be a dead giveaway that anything Presidente Jorge (all hat-- no cattle) and the leftist 'Crats like Teddy Homicide, Shrillary, and the other usual suspects want together has GOT TO BE BAD for Middle America! So much for "government in the sunshine"!

Folks, the proposed amendments alone are 350 pages long, and almost nobody in the Senate has had time to read the 1,000 page bill itself-- written mostly by Teddy's immigration lawyers. The many devils are in the details! They purposely SKIPPED THE NORMAL COMMITTEE PROCESS and public hearings with expert testimony because they KNEW that we would go crazy if we heard what they are REALLY up to!

Amazingly, Congress approved (and President Jorge signed into law) 850 miles of border fence only months ago, and this bill cuts that by more than half to 350 miles! It is UNCONSCIONABLE that on an issue this important to America's future that they would resort to this surreptitious backroom cram job!

Contact your senators first, and then others... the sites above will show you who the malleable ones are to focus on. While the peoples' House might later stop this travesty legislation, we would be better served by killing it in the Senate now. It is better to do nothing than to do evil... we have EXISTING LAWSthat should first be enforced, but Presidente Jorge has willfully violated his oath of office to protect our borders, and secretly promised YOUR S.S. and welfare to the Mexicans! The Quisling-In-Chief promised them recently down in Mexico that amigo Jorge would work hard for THEM to assure the passage of Scamnesty! Say it ain't so, Jorge!

May god bless America and save her from the Conspiracy Of Evil --> lawbreaking employers and their lackey shill Chamber lobbies; ethnocentric latino groups bent on Reconquista and welfare for all latinos; scandal-plagued Catholic Church leaders seeking replacement contributors; self-preserving/aggrandizing pols seeking $ and future latino votes; the PC, anti-America, multicultural, big entitlement govt. ilk; open borders, one-world, cheap-labor-milking,remote, wealthy "elites."


Five Years for a Canadian MD & Counting
My wife's daughter is a family doctor in Canada. After several years of trying, my wife became a citizen last year. Her daughter applied in 2002. There is still no time table for her daughter to receive a green card.

So it must be much better for our economy to let those who cannot read or write in English into the country before well trained doctors.


why the sellout of Middle America?
reply to: bly
You ask why our so-called conservative senators would support this scamnesty? As the line about watergate corruption went-- follow the money! Lawbreaking employers like to milk that "cheap" labor that we the taxpayers and society are forced to subsidize perpetually. The monied special interests simply buy the government which is complicit because those in Washington are all about perpetuating their power and its lifeblood, money. As the old saw goes, they go to Washington to do GOOD, but stay there to do well. please see my long post just below for the delineation of the toxic mix of the Conspiracy Of Evil.

Unfortunately, it is a danger and limitation of a representative republic that it can become too much a government of, by, and for the organized and monied few at the expense of the many.

You Can't Deport 12 Million People
Even conservaties like Medved make such silly statements.

We don't have to deport everyone. We just have to catch and punish enough that others leave voluntarily.

How about a sentencing illegals to a year of hard labor building a fence along both our borders?

That's a punishment that fits the crime perfectly.

If we rounded up 100,000 illegals for this kind of punishment, millions would leave voluntarily to avoid the nets of enforcement. And a lot fewer would come here in the first place, both because of the prospect of punishment and because of the new fence being built.

Plus, we'd build the fence a whole lot faster.

A winner
Oh Michele, you have done it again!! Great article. And,yep, build the fence, clear the backlog. We are all sick and tired of things being taken over by people who don't really belong here.
Personally, I get my panties in a wad whenever I see an English sign, then the spanish translations...I just want to scream...learn f-ing english!! That is not the point of your column,I know....

Right on Michelle
Michelle is totally, 100% right. My wife and I are trying to adopt a little girl from China, and the red tape and expense from our country (U.S.) is worse than that of the Chinese communist govt. So basically, our country puts its own citizens through hell when they want to bring an orphan into the states, but cross the border illegally, drop a baby, and presto chango! There is a citizen. Full benefit entitlements, etc. What a joke. Process the folks awaiting legally (who are treated rudely already by CIS), and keep the rest out (with the help of still employer sanctions).

demythologizing ILLEGAL aliens
Have you noticed that when the advocates and apologists for ILLEGALS state their cases that they seem vacuous, lame and facile on the surface? Consider:

DISINGENUOUS FALSE PREMISES AND SCARE TACTICS:

The "undocumented" are just doing jobs that Americans won't do that we must have done... they give more than they take; they are a net positive... they pay into S.S. funds they will not get back... they have lesser rates of crime than legal Americans... they simply want to share in the blessings of America just like the rest of us, which they have every right to do... resentment against them is racist/xenophobic-- they are really no different from prior waves of immigrants who were also resented, but who assimilated and made America great... they want to assimilate and learn English... the proposed legislation is not really amnesty... Americans generally believe in a path to citizenship for those already here... we cannot simply round up and deport 12-20 million... the only crime they have committed is akin to jaywalking.

DEMYTHOLOGIZING REALITIES & INCONVENIENT TRUTHS:

1) ILLEGALS ARE INDEED taking many jobs that Americans will gladly do, driving down wages, and permeating myriad concomitant social pathology problems (crimes, barrio blight, drugs, gangs, illegitimacies, dropouts, balkanization, diseases) like a terminal cancer, inexorably eventually destroying the host body.

2) ILLEGAL aliens do NOT contribute more than they take, because the government services alone used by the uneducated indigent GREATLY EXCEED any minimal taxes paid (mostly sales taxes, etc.). Heritage calculates that each household headed by the undereducated indigent (legal OR ILLEGAL) will drain over $1 million in the course of a lifetime:

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1076.cfm

3) Presidente Jorge has already committed to send already unfunded and threatened S.S. funds south to Mexico, and ILLEGALS would become eligible much sooner than American taxpayers... Amigo Jorge promised THEM while visiting in Mexico recently that he would work for THEM on this Scamnesty legislation! That is TREASON-- PURE AND SIMPLE!

4) Latino rates of crime and other inimical social pathologies are, sadly, pandemically troublesome (the reasons are irrelevant to this discussion really-- facts are stubborn things), and worse among the poorer ones like most coming in ILLEGALLY (more than half have only a 7th grade education, assuring the snowballing of the associated social problems):

http://www.amren.com/Reports/Hispanics/HispanicsReport.htm
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=M2Q5ZWZiOTU2OTY1YWEyZDFiYTliNTRmMzk0ODIwMmE
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/index.html

5) They are MOST ESPECIALLY NOT "just like prior waves of immgrants" in several ways... there are far more at once, there is no ocean separating them from the old cultures, they are clinging to same with no desire to assimilate, and the PC/multicultural ilk is aiding and abetting their ethnocentricity with bilingualism. Furthermore, America is a VASTLY different nation socio-economically than it was when many LEGAL immigrants came here historically-- we can benefit on balance today ONLY FROM EDUCATED, SKILLED IMMIGRANTS, which is NOT the norm among the great unwashed running across the border.

6) The pending Scamnesty is PRECISELY that, and the all-in implications are HORRENDOUS fiscally and socio-economically:

http://www.firesociety.com/article/12134/

7) Americans are rightfully indignant about the nonfeasance of the government, which has allowed the ILLEGAL invasion to become an acute infestation. It is NOT that we are afraid of diversity as Presidente Jorge lamely and disingenuously opined-- we already are the most diverse nation on earth! Ad hominem braying about "racism" is the calumny of artful scoundrels with no positive arguments for their pro-ILLEGAL apologia. When polled HONESTLY, Americans rightfully have profound concerns about unbridled immigration, especially ILLEGAL invaders... per Rasmussen, "(72%) OF VOTERS say that it is VERY IMPORTANT for the government to improve its enforcement of the borders and REDUCE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION":

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/just_26_favor_senate_immigration_plan
http://www.cis.org/articles/2006/back906.html
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=20530
http://www.grasstopsusa.com/

8) The artful ploy that "we cannot deport 12 million" is a red herring false argument-- TRUE enforcement of EXISTING LAWS would result in attritive repatriation at THEIR expense-- the same way they got here! We need only the political will to reflect the desires of over 70% of Middle America. Presidente Jorge is guilty of blatant nonfeasance by ignoring his oath of office to protect the borders-- and at a time when terrorists threaten!

9) The facile, remote "elitist" PC theories of bilingualism and multiculturalism are doomed to failure. Even in countries with essentially the same ethnicity and culture, bilingualism alone creates crises (see Quebec). Multiculturalism is an abysmal failure everywhere. There can be no "melting pot" with these plagues.

10) As to scurrilous Geraldo-ilk suggestions that "these good people" are committing minor crimes akin to jaywalking in crossing the border, this is but the first of what become serial patterns of lawbreaking including tax dodging, identity fraud, welfare cheating, etc., ad nauseam. Even eunuch shill Chertoff admits that at least 2 million are felonious criminals! [Since he admits to 11 million ILLEGALS being here, he is suggesting that fully 18% are guilty of felonies!] To suggest that they are less prone to serious crimes (per Geraldo) is simply a bold faced lie!

http://www.amren.com/Reports/Hispanics/HispanicsReport.htm
http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/index.html

CALL YOUR SENATORS TODAY! TELL THEM TO JUST SAY NO TO SCAMNESTY! MAKE ENGLISH THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE-- LEARN OR RETURN! ENFORCE EXISTING LAWS AND THEY WILL STOP INVADING AND REPATRIATE ATTRITIVELY. RADIATE THE CANCER BEFORE IT CAN DESTROY THE WHOLE BODY POLITIC BY MORPHING AMERICA INTO A THIRD WORLD WELFARE STATE! ILLEGAL MEANS ILLEGAL--PERIOD!

nee
I agree...even my coffe cup from McD's says esta caliente!Go to almost any atm machine and your asked to press 1 for english.Why should I?When will this insanity stop?

voices of reason amid the scam
Better talk radio than La Raza...
Trent Notta Lott says that talk radio is running America-- Rush and Sean are simply talkin' you into despising the Scamnesty bill. Well, better talk radio than La Raza framing our policy on ILLEGAL aliens!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/15/AR2007051502022.html

Arizona, the state the most plagued by the ILLEGAL invasion, recently passed several STRONG anti-ILLEGAL ballot initiatives with about 75% of the vote, including a healthy percentage of the LEGAL latino vote... Az. is a harbinger of the egregious challenges facing all of America from the ILLEGAL invasion and infestation.

Presidente Jorge fools nobody with his facile, "Of course, border seccurity and enforcement must come first." Jorge has NO INTENTION WHATSOEVER of retarding the ILLEGAL alien tsunami invasion... he is an NAU/SPP globalist and "cheap" labor advocate. [Actually, that "cheap" labor will be HORRENDOUSLY expensive all-in to society and American taxpayers!]

Among the many artful tricks of the apologists for Scamnesty, including the socially remote MM, is the ploy: "Many on the far right are adamantly opposed to amnesty." ACTUALLY, 65% of democrats think that border security and stopping the ILLEGAL alien invasion are VERY IMPORTANT:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/just_26_favor_senate_immigration_plan

Several sagacious analysts/talking heads on TV and various honest Senators have noted that they have NEVER BEFORE seen such a disconnect between what Washington is willfully trying to cram down our throats and the desires of mainstream America. Unfortunately, a limitation of a representative republic is that it can slouch toward Gomorrah because it can become too much the government of, by, and for the monied special interests.

The ILLEGAL alien menace is indubitably the greatest threat to America's socio-economic well-being that I have seen in my 55 years. We CANNOT allow the undeducated, indigent, culturally disparate and stubbornly ethnocentric to flood into America. We will ineluctably and irreversibly slouch toward Gomorrah, becoming a third world, bicultural welfare state.

Folks, shout out your righteous indignation to Congress ASAP right here:

http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/index.htm

Bookmark it and contact them early and often... I write a clear, concise message and send it to most Senators. Here is a sample:

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Dear Senator Chambliss:

With regard to the pending amnesty legislation, Washington is simply NOT LISTENING to Middle America! Please consider this excerpt from the latest Rasmussen polling:

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The enforcement side of the debate is clearly where the public passion lies on the issue. Seventy-two percent (72%) of voters say it is Very Important for “the government to improve its enforcement of the borders and reduce illegal
immigration.” That view is held by 89% of Republicans, 65% of Democrats, and 63% of unaffiliated voters.

Advocates of “comprehensive” reform have taken to arguing that those who want an enforcement-only policy must explain how they would deal with the 12 million illegal aliens already living in the country. The public reaction to that question appears to be “Why?” Only 29% of voters say it is Very Important for “the government to legalize the status of illegal aliens already in the United States.”

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Good heavens, even 2/3 of the Democrats think it is VERY IMPORTANT to improve border enforcement and REDUCE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION! Middle America wants ENFORCEMENT FIRST!

1) Build the approved fence, enforce visa rules, and give us TRUE enforcement!

2) No Scamnesty-- there should be NO CONNECTION WHATSOEVER between a path to citizenship and having come here ILLEGALLY-- PERIOD! Enforce the EXISTING laws, and they will repatriate and get in line to work temporarily!

3) No welfare for ILLEGALS-- period! America cannot afford to become the welfare department for Latin America. The so-called "cheap" labor is actually VERY expensive all told.

4) End birthright citizenship unless at least one parent is a U.S. citizen; the 14th Amendment did not anticipate the ILLEGAL invasion. Anchor babies are not "under our jurisdiction" if the mother stole into America ILLEGALLY.

5) Pass TRUE reform which stresses immigrants who can actually benefit America-- the educated and skilled. We cannot afford to naturalize ILLEGAL aliens-- we will ineluctably devolve into a third world welfare state.

6) Make English the OFFICIAL language-- END OF DISCUSSION. English ONLY for ballots and everything else-- learn or return!

Thanks for considering our views... America is watching VERY CAREFULLY what Congress does.

Name
College Professor
Business and Economics
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Call and e-mail the Senate immediately, early and often folks:

http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/index.htm
http://www.numbersusa.com/actionbuffet
http://www.numbersusa.com/hottopic/2454talkingpts.html

harry reid
wants the votes to keep the democrat party and
the socialist liberal party in power & if this
bill passes, that will happen.

Build the damn fence & fire up the trucks. And
empty our jails..they can drive the trucks.....
Oneway ofcourse!

Recall
If your Senator voted yes - take a positive action - if your state laws permit - start a recall petition.

As the libs call it - Take Back America.

Can someone tell me WHY we CAN'T

deport 12million illegal aliens?

First of all, no one says we have to deport them all by a week from Fri.

Second, if we dry up the job market, many will leave on their own. (It's already happening in CO.) No jobs, no reason to be there.

Third, build the damn fence so those (criminal) illegal aliens who have no intention of coming for "jobs" will have a difficult time getting in..



And, one more thing. Let's call them what they ARE.. ILLEGAL ALIENS! They are not "undocumented workers" and they are not "undocumented Americans." They are ILLEGAL ALIENS!!!




bly
Great article by Michelle as usual. I understand the economics of the deal and who benefits, and I understand the motivation of those who feel this will provide a reliable voting block in the future.

However, as bly mentioned, the threat to our security is the missing link and elephant in the room that isn't being considered. If 9-11 was not enough of a wake up call that we were not handling this problem effectively (obviously it wasn't), one would think the Fort Dix Six might just raise a tiny red flag.

Instead this bill is a runaway locomotive barreling on iron rails toward passage (with the mileage of the border fence cut drastically). Did we really think the fence would ever get built and do we really think the government will take care of the enforcement provisions now- well never mind.

Given the security implications, the magnitude of the population change, the lack of a definitive cost/benefit analysis, and without reliable predictors as to whether 12 to 20M folks will assimilate or not, there has been nowhere near the level of honest debate needed to make an informed decision. Rather than enforce existing laws while we assemble information so as to avoid making a hasty and possibly disastrous decision, our elected representatives are rushing to close off debate.

On a collective basis, we are absolutely insane. Never have I seen such a chasm between the seemingly obvious conclusions to be drawn and the actions of our "rulers".

I truly hope I am, as our elected officials believe, one of the mass of uninformed yahoos; that they know better than us what is good for us; and that this will all turn out well for our country and that we will all live together in a land of milk and honey. If, however, the yahoos are right, there is a whirlwind to be reaped.

Stormy
Where do you get your tinfoil hats, do you make them yourself or have them custom-made? Can't be an off-the-shelf item, yours works way to effectively for that.

Harry Reid
Harry Reid refers to "undocumented Americans" in his evil quest to legalize the illegals. How idiotic is that? He is a traitor.

My own senator, George "the cry baby" Voinovich, claimed he was going to listen to the voice of the people of Ohio, then promptly voted FOR amnesty.

Is there a recall petiton for our very own idiot?

China shuts 180 food plants

Do you trust China to fix this problem?

USATODAY-BEIJING (AP) — China has closed 180 food factories after inspectors found industrial chemicals being used in products from candy to seafood, state media said Wednesday.

The closures came amid a nationwide crackdown on shoddy and dangerous products launched in December that also uncovered use of recycled or expired food, the China Daily said.

Formaldehyde, illegal dyes, and industrial wax were found being used to make candy, pickles, crackers and seafood, it said, citing Han Yi, an official with the General Administration of Quality Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine, which is responsible for food safety.

“These are not isolated cases,” Han, director of the administration’s quality control and inspection department, was quoted as saying.

Han’s admission was significant because the administration has said in the past that safety violations were the work of a few rogue operators, a claim which is likely part of a strategy to protect China’s billions of dollars (euros) of food exports.

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/china-shuts-180-food-plants

We can do it
Find a way to provide the necessary labor pool to keep the economy rolling, that is. We are the USA, the greatest country in the history of the world, we do things like that all the time.

Government can't do it, of course. Our government can't find its a$$ with both hands. But just make it possible for private enterprise to make a little money by providing legal labor from anywhere in the world, and offices will spring up almost overnight. Need ten sheetrock men with background checks by next Tuesday? We'll have them there at 6a.m. It's not all that complicated, we have temporary employment services all over the country now, providing labor from the US. It can't be that difficult to adapt to providing workers from Mexico, if only the feds will get out of the way.

who supports scamnesty and why?
Many national pols, especially those with Oval Office pipe dreams, have embraced ILLEGALS for $ and self-aggrandizement. The RINOS (Presidente Jorge, Sen. Juan McQuisling, Amigo Linseed Grahamos, Sam BROWNback, Huevos Hagel, and Sanctuary City Rudy Julitaco) are simply willing to sell out Middle America to appease miscreant employers (who buy them) and the Reconquista ilk because they foolishly fathom that they can snag some of those votes.

The thing they choose to miss is that 3rd generation middle class latinos who speak English are VERY different from the ILLEGAL invaders, who will easily break 99:1 voting for big entitlement government as soon as the left (Taco Teddy Homicide, Shrillary, et al)and myopic RINOS can snooker us into Scamnesty. If they make citizens of the 20 million ILLEGALS, they will all too soon devolve (via chain migration and often illegitimate birth rates) into 100 million net new poor, undereducated, culturally disparate, ethnocentric, welfare-seeking big entitlement government voters. America will ineluctably slouch irretrievably toward Gomorrah.

Call your senators TODAY and tell them--
to just say no to Scamnesty...
make English the official language...
no welfare or path to citizenship for ILLEGALs... enforce EXISTING laws and they will repatriate attritively and get in line.

You can reach your senators at their OFFICIAL sites right here:

http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/index.htm

And find talking points and info here:

http://www.numbersusa.com/index
http://www.numbersusa.com/hottopic/senateaction0507.html
http://www.numbersusa.com/hottopic/2454talkingpts.html
http://www.grasstopsusa.com/
http://vdare.com/misc/070607_economist.htm
http://www.upi.com/Zogby/UPI_Polls/2007/06/21/analysis_majority_oppose_immigration_bill/2755/
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/just_26_favor_senate_immigration_plan

Or send already-prepared free faxes here:

http://www.numbersusa.com/actionbuffet

Village Idiots....
...they're also called Congressmen these days. Thankfully both of my Senators voted AGAINST "Scamnesty". Too bad there are not enough other Senators with backbone like mine.

This is a done deal ....
and these guys know it. In the end the incumbents will stay incumbent, a few of the proponents have said as much.
We have the government we deserve. There's a smathering of Americans remaining, but most of us are citizens of Los Estados Unidos banging elbows for government services in a myriad of forms. So there will be some more citizens and you will have to take your place down the line for your free cheese.
I still think that if you really want your kids to succeed nix Spanish and learn Chinese.

the true object of our congress
I found this web site.
This will scare you. It is not about illegals and amnesty.
It is about one nation under mexico. (the united states of mexico)

THE NORTH AMERICAN UNION---The sell out of America.
Our Nation needs to be updated to a turd world country. Check it out.


http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/

Another Solution
If deportation is too 'hard' for our government, on the illegal aliens as well as on employers, may I suggest:

Allow all illegals to remain in the USA

However, tell them and stick to the following:

1. No possibility ever to become legal unless you leave and apply like all other potential immigrants.
2. No services what ever, except for emergency medical. No welfare, food stamps, instate tuition and all the other giveaways.
3. No chain migration. No member of your family can come here. If you miss them, go home. It was your decision to leave them in the first place.
4. No anchor babies. Kids, born of illegal aliens are illegal also.
5. If you get into legal trouble of any kind, from jaywalking to murder and drugs, you will be deported.

Very simple, nothing comprehensive and hidden about it. Easy to understand.
It should self deport a vast number and help to keep those who want to stay badly enough to live on the straight and narrow..

ACT
CALL AND EMAIL SENATORS in your state and others that voted to bring this back.

Bitching here may make you feel better but will not accomplish anything.

POLITICIANS ARE LIKE DIAPERS - THEY NEED TO BE CHANGED OFTEN AND FOR THE SAME REASONS>

Never vote again for anyone voting for this bill. Can you remember this in 2008???

SHE SHUTS UP EVEN THE BIGGEST IDIOTSSSS!
NO LIB has an argument against Michelle!!!
Didn't see usual idiocy in progresssssssss.

FOR THE RECORD:
1. White House spokesman Tony Snow said President Bush "misspoke" Tuesday when he told a group, “You know, I’ve heard all the rhetoric – you’ve heard it, too – about how this is amnesty. Amnesty means that you’ve got to pay a price for having been here illegally, and this bill does that.”

2. INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants:

2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants

CRIME STATISTICS 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.

86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.

75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.

24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually

53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.

50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.

71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or “transport coyotes".

47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.

63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens

66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.

BIRTH STATISTICS 380,000 plus “anchor babies” were born in the U.S. in 2005 to illegal alien parents, making 380,000 babies automatically U.S.citizens.

97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayers.

Free Markets
We believe in free markets, except when it comes to labor (and oil and prescription drugs). Do you note a pattern here. These are the Bush money pots.

Government for sale is not limited to Congress.

If the illegals are deported the price of wages will seek thier natural balance and there would be no need to raise the minimum wage. The economy would be more (not less efficient) as it allocated resources the way they should be allocated.

One of the underlying assumptions of the theory of free trade is the totally free movement of people across borders (no borders for interest rates/money flows, goods, information and people).

Every theory is an over simplication of reality and has limitations. That is especially true when a theory is applied in the field.

We have reached the optimum (or are past it) in the theory of free trade. If we push it farther (frictionless movement of people/workers)we will not maximize our GDP. We will drag our economy down to the World average.

One other implicit assumption of the theory of free trade is the leveling of goverment services. All governments sooner or later will be forced to drift to the World average in government services.

Kiss your SS good bye, also any delusions about government health care.

Bush 43 is an internationalist just like Bush 41. He just hides it much better.

It is the Internationalist Wing of the Dem party that is pushing this also. The labor Unions can't figure out why Kennedy is stabbing them. Well he is an internationalist first.

I am not big on conspiracy theories. However, I did study the theory of free trade in grad school and remember the underlying assumptions. If you ever want to attack a theory, look at the underlying assumptions.



Stormy and sawdust
Stormy's got it right. W is continuing the legacy of his New World Order Daddy. Daddy was one of the forces that drove Europe to form the EU and North America to pass NAFTA. He loved the UN. His son is no different.

Do we need to deport 12-20 million illegals? No. Deport thems that violate laws and get caught. Go after the employers and cut off all entitlements to the illegals and the rest will go home. For employers, knowingly hiring illegals should result in serious jail time for the company CEO and director of personnel. Company assets should be confiscated by the government and auctioned off. Do we know which employers to go after? Uh...have the IRS give ICE a list of employers who's employees' Social Insecurity Numbers don't match up. The list is already available...and it's long and distinguished. As for sanctuary cities, cut off ALL of their federal funds, including all contracts with companies in those cities. That movement will come to a screeching halt.

In closing, THANK YOU SENATOR JOHN CORNYN for opposing this bill and it's bankrupting of America.

TO OUR FELLOW CITIZENS WITHOUT BRAIN
PRO-AMNESTY IMBECILES:
BLIND, DEAF, AND CANNOT SMELL - WHY?

YOUR CHILDREN WILL ROT IN the 3RD WORLD CACA right here.

Forgive me for stating the obvious:


IF YOU ARE 20 AND NOT A LIBERAL,YOU HAVE NO HEART
IF YOU ARE 40 AND NOT A CONSERVATIVE, YOU HAVE NO BRAIN.

THINK, INSTEAD OF LISTENING TO PEOPLE WHO "KLINTON" YOU.....


Keep Digging Michelle!
__I am impressed that Michelle is doing some digging,and reporting,on a government service at the heart of this problem.Isn't it odd that you will never hear of anyone questioning the process involved to immigrate here legally. We never hear the left expressing their,compassionate,concerns of the time it takes,from start to finish,to immigrate here legally.Doesn't it seem odd they never talk of the challenges faced by the immigration department.I know,for a fact,of the paperwork, time,and money involved with this process.As I also know of the workload employees of the immigration process face.This is a bureaucracy,set up to be,seperated from outside influence.Kind of like a government within a government. I've often wonder,with our government set up with checks and balances in public view, who's viewing the immigration dept.Journalist,and Americans,have no access to the inner workings,and its efficiency.I bet Michelle is banging her head against a wall trying to get any info. Seems to me this should be the starting point with any immigration reform. Along with securing the boarders,we ought to find out whats been going on here. Don't you find it suspicious that,after 9/11 with all the chatter about immigration,and how the terrorist were among us,the US never delved into the immigration dept.We heard of overstayed visas,of immigrant students who never went to school,but we never heard of the beginning process that allowed the end result.Just as we see the end result here.America losing billions of dollars,over the years,as employers,and landlords profit from the undocumented.An overstressed immigration department under somebodies control,with Kennedy trying to bring them an avalanche work.Of coarse with that work comes the dollars in fines,and fees.A portion going to pay for process,but where does any excess go? Probably should go, as it should have been going in the past, to improving the speed,and reliability,of the immigration process.Its about time America finds out why past immigration legislation did not work.Starting with the bureaucracy that impliments it. Keep Digging Michelle,there's plenty of bait!

Lying cheats
When Alan Greenspan said that more hi-tech Visa workers depress wages for Americans, and it would be good, that way discrepancy between the wages would be more even among Americans....I knew then this was all about cheap labor for our companies.

They know globalization has ruined America and her workers, so their idea now is, let's lower all wages for Americans, and maybe they can compete with China now.

Well, since China pays about 30 cents per hr., it still won't work!

NAFTA started this, and CAFTA carried it on.

Now they want us to keep these illegals and support them too!

Dear LoveUs ....
even the great Bill O'Rielly says the deportion is impossible as it would be impossible to apprehend all these people and it is opposed to our inner nature, (we stand there and allow someone to abuse us?) ... I for one know they are wrong.
Every employer is a member in good standing of the Speech and Political Correctness Gestapo. Should anyone in their employ do anything that is legislated as unfavorable toward any particular group that has government advocacy you may rest assured that the employer will perform his obligations as a 'good citizen'.
Guys that are in love with money would turn in their mothers and children before they suffer a financial penalty. Imagine the response if they were actively and severely penalized for employing illegals.
It isn't about freedom and it isn't about democracy and it isn't about justice ....
I sincerely doubt that there are very many real Christians or Jews remaining in the US, we are all members of the Church of Dialectic Materialism now ..... it's all about the money.
Busniness doesn't like a rocking boat and we all seek the comfort of surety, we have television for adventure.

the facile myth of diversity
We are already EASILY the most racially diverse country on earth. BUT the secret to our success has been the melting pot syndrome-- oceans cut ties to old cultures and languages-- people learned English and assimilated... they valued being an American, and our system of commerce and limited government control allowed most to improve their lot through hard work and education.

Now there are almost 40 million foreign-born here. Many (perhaps half) are here ILLEGALLY. In fact, there are more here ILLEGALLY than all of the WASP's, Jews and Italians who EVER emigrated here legally. This is a STUNNING difference. Furthermore, the PC, one-world, remote elitist, anti-establishment America, multicultural left is aiding and abetting a willful desire by hispanics to cling to spanish-- which hurts them and the rest of us.

Also, way too many of the foreign-born are not only ILLEGAL, but also indigent and undereducated-- which is a formula for socio-economic cataclysm. An advanced economy such as America's is today can ONLY BENEFIT from educated, skilled immigrants. Most of the latinos kamikaze rushing across the border have a 7th grade education and are poor-- they will rapidly engender more of the same, and most of those will become welfare dependent. America will ineluctably slouch irretrievably toward Gomorrah.

Call your senators TODAY and tell them--
to just say no to Scamnesty...
make English the official language...
no welfare or path to citizenship for ILLEGALs... enforce EXISTING laws and they will repatriate attritively and get in line.

You can reach your senators at their OFFICIAL sites right here:

http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/index.htm

And find talking points and info here:

http://www.numbersusa.com/index
http://www.numbersusa.com/hottopic/senateaction0507.html
http://www.numbersusa.com/hottopic/2454talkingpts.html
http://www.grasstopsusa.com/
http://vdare.com/misc/070607_economist.htm
http://www.upi.com/Zogby/UPI_Polls/2007/06/21/analysis_majority_oppose_immigration_bill/2755/
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/just_26_favor_senate_immigration_plan

Or send already-prepared free faxes here:

http://www.numbersusa.com/actionbuffet

Immigration
The solution:

1. Build and enforce the fence.
2. Clear the backlogs.
3. All illegal aliens must register and for $500 get a tamper proof ID. (The fee will pay for however many more government employees it take to get the job done.)They must have a job and no criminal record.
4. $1000 fines for employers who hire aliens without ID.
5. After 10 years, with a good record and a $10,000 fine, functional English and basic American history, they can become a citizen.
5. Change the law that makes being born in the USA a right to citizenship.

cannot deport them?
Follow these steps:

Wait for the next pro-illegal-alien rally
surround the crowd with police
start checking IDs
load illegals onto bus for the border

Of course this plan is worthless with our 'border which isn't really a border'.

Oh yes, the next time a group surrounds a post office(or any other building) and replaces the US flag with an Mexican one, throw them into jail for 3-6 months. If we can arrest Martha Stewart for accepting stock tips, surely we can arrest these.

Deport
We can deport any or all of the illegals if we want to. However, it does not do any good unless the border is secure first.

If the border is secured, then it is a matter of cost. If we want to we certainly are capable of deporting as many as we want to.

Romney is actually partly right. If there are no jobs they will tend to deport themselves to some degree. Further, those who really want citizenship will go home and apply.

Michelle

Michelle not a big fan of your at all.
But you are right,I say we do not need no more
of them over here.But the goverment do what
they want it seem's like.

SFASU7392
Sorry you misread me before .... posted a response.

What's left to save?
By the time our soldiers get home, the country some of them died for will be gone.

Note to Vegas: Get rid of Harry
Thanks Michelle for once again telling it like it is. Loved the reality check of an article you have fired off. What's in the water up on the Hill? How can these so called Legislators just give the middle finger to America and blow off the consent of the governed? Did you catch Harry Reid's naive statements yesterday? He was actually saying that this bill will make sure that these illegal immigrants will pay their taxes, will work and will stay out of trouble. What fairytale land is he skipping through? We can't even get red-blooded Americans to do that.
As the grand-daughter of an immigrant who went through legal channels to enter this great country, I have sympathy for people outside of this country who are going by the rules to enter this country legally. All this amnesty talk and socialist promises from Dem candidates is contrary to what this country is about and it's scaring the hell out of me and pissing me off. By the way, MOUNTAIN ROSE, I also live in So Cal and know your pain.

coouple of items
Some other things that President Crawfish would do....
1) Propose a new Constitutional Amendment that reads as follows: "The purpose of this amendment is to clarify the 14th Amendment's automatic citizenship birthright. Automatic citizenship is only granted to children born in the United States who's parents are in this country legally at the time of the birth. All children born in this nation that do not qualify under these conditions are to regarded as citizens of the mother's country of citizenship."
2) I wouldn't build a strong barrier fence. I'd build a chain link fence along the whole border, but about 15 feet inside the border. The purpose isn't so much to keep the illegals out, but to make them semi-stationary targets while they climb it...targets for the Marine marksmen, and those border agents that they have properly trained, positioned about 200 yards inside the border. Hey, we gotta keep the naturalists and envirowackos happy, so we're gonna give the wildlife some fresh food.

'Compassion' for whom?
Right on, Michelle. I wonder when 'government' will show compassion for American citizens, particularly those who pay taxes and want to work -- and not have to "press '1' for English".

Most of those jerks have forgotten or ignored the fact that the Constitution's Preamble begins with "We, the People of the United States" and continues with things they want this 'more perfect Union' to accomplish and ends by saying FOR WHOM -- "Ourselves and our posterity".

Although 'repelling invaders' is is part of their Constitutional duty -- as well as the duty of State governments -- the Bush Administration refuses to call them 'invaders' and now we find them being called platitudinous names such as 'undocumented' while those of us who DO speak and understand ENGLISH know full well, these millions the government wants us to welcome are lawbreaking invaders -- sure hs blazes not part of "ourselves and our posterity".

If people are on my property and I don't want them there, they sure as heck are not 'guests' and not welcome and my dogs are not tied and I have no hesitancy to say "sic 'em". They are tresspassers -- and the last time I checked ALL public property belongs to 'the Citizens' not to trespassers -- and private property is SUPPOSED to be protected by the police if I can't get them to leave.

Many in out government seem to think we are blithering idiots and maybe we are because we keep electing so many of them. We don't need a Revolution such as the one in the 1770's. We just need to wise up and throw the bums out. If they don't worry about OUR civil rights when we have broken no laws, what legal or moral right do they have to tell us to worry about the civil rights of lawbreakers, especially foreign lawbreakers who are essentially telling the citizens to go to hell when the citizens want them off their property and to stop picking our pockets.

9-11 Really an "illegal alien" problem
9-11 happened because of sloppy gvmt bureaucratic bungling. Agency: immigration!!

On Sept. 12 besides the skies being shut down the borders should have been locked down with an iron gate . . immigration policies and players investigated . . draconian measures immediately instituted . .

I would suggest some other measures:

*Intel: must understand the Middle East which we did not and still do not. We do not comprehend the role of tribal politics . . Sunni & Shia hostilities . . the Islamist's patience and delight in treachery . .
*An ideological war as well as asymetrical war with a non-nationally based enemy.
*Afganistan: Good move. Shut down Al Quada training camps.
*Iraq: Bad move. Should have shut down "Waziristan" first (OBL's safe house).
*Problem areas: Pakistan . . House of Saud and the secret funding . . Islamist Iran (thanks to Jimmy)
*Bush doctrine: our enemy if you aid and give safe haven to terriorists - Good doctrine! (kinda like The Monroe Doctrine??!)

*Solutions:
First - follow the money trail and close ALL sources of funding to Islamists
Second: profile ALL Arab males 18 to 40 years of age from suspect countries (esp. Saudis)
Third: try to understand the craziness of the Middle East. Maybe a crash course taught by the Israelis would help.
Fourth: we are AT WAR with an enemy that will not be appeased, refuses any honest negotiations, and still smarts from the defeats suffered during the Crusades and the Spanish defeat of the Moores. Huh? Anyone for rational discussion??






Backlog is correct
I personally know of several "resident aliens" that ARE following all the Byzantine rules and requirements for citizenship. Several started BEFORE they moved to the USA. Many had infants that are now about to enter High School, and one is entering college.

Whom, BTW is "only" a legal resident, cannot vote, and cannot yet get a passport. He's 19 years old and his family started the process before he entered school!!!!!

Upside down Policies
Why aren't Americans marching in the streets to petition the government to free Compian and Ramos? Why are criminals given a pass and our own border guards imprisoned? Americans have to stop being bleeding hearts over everything. If we would simply (simply?) enforce our laws already on the books, place a moratorium on ALL immigration until the backlog is caught up, and trace all of those tax returns that they can't verify Social Security Numbers on, we could Deport, Deport, Deport!!!! No Anchor Babies! Who cares if we can't get "cheap" labor? I'd rather pay more for groceries than foot the bill for free medical care etc., etc., for people here illegally. A nation without secure borders is not a sovereign nation. Then, when we finally have a secure border we should do the same thing to Congress:
Throw all the elitist, holier-than-thou polititians OUT...ALL of them. I'm disgusted with them all, Dem, and Rep. They're all the same. Lining their own pockets and feeling better than the people who elected them. They don't worry what's good for America...only what's good for them. Who's going to float to the top when America is awash with illegals, terrorists and socialists?

regarding backlogs....
The backlogs are this long, and they plan on giving only 24 hours to do background checks on 12-20 MILLION illegals? Do they really think we're that stooooooooooo-pid?

Markets and the Constitution
If you push the theory of free trade far enough so that it implements the frictionless movement of people across political borders (workers can go to any job anyplace in the world unrestrcited, or jobs can go to any worker pool in the world based on low price) you have substituted markets for the constitution.

Free trade by the nature of it's underlying assumptions of frictionless markets in information, goods, money and labor naturally erode national boundaries. Free trade pushed to it's ultimate erases goverments.

Eventually, there will be a transfer of power from individual nations to a world government.That world government will be heavy in restiction of rights and pretty weak on social services. There is not enough World GDP to insure the funding of the Welfare societies of Europe and the US for the whole world.

If you want to see the future of the US after this immigration bill just look at Europe with an erosion of it's social welfare provisions at the same time it has created a pernament underclass that has not integrated. Within a couple of generations that underclass will bankrupt the social government programs (assuming that there is not open anarchy first).

France and Germany have had 10-15 % unemployment in the last few years. Almost all of their population growth has come in the minority communities where unemployment approaches 50 %.
It is an unsustainable model that speeds up the destruction of modern democracies.

I beleive in an optimum level of free trade and some dismantling of the social goverments of Europe is good. Disintergration into anarchy is not good.


Malkin
Ms. Malkin,as usual, has hit another one out of the park. What on Earth are these axxes who voted for this scamnesty thinking? Obviously, common sense is illegal in D.C. BTW,a shout out to Sen. Stabenow,of Mi.for her no vote.

Immigration
Amen, Michelle.

FREEDOM TO SAY NO!!!

It is true that our government responds to the demands of wealth and power; but it also is true that ordinary Americans have political and expressive FREEDOM in this country -- at the moment.

There are people who have fought and died -- and are fighting today! -- for our FREEDOM. Don't let them down.

We must continue to exercise our FREEDOM by faxing, calling, and e-mailing our senators everyday, until AMNESTY for ILLEGAL ALIENS is defeated! Bill S 1639 must be stopped in the Senate.

Michelle
As EXCELLENT and BEAUTIFUL as ever!

Mrs Paddy and Crawfish
the only job PERFORMED of our elected KINGS AND QUEENS is to stay in Congress....

Maybe they should repeat their oath every month or weekly (not weakly)?

Crawfish: their thinking: "what can they (id est: we) do? DICK (sic) morris say go for mex votes, and those idiots go.....down the hill.

Soothsayer
Typical, Liberal, Racist!

4 STEP SOLUTION!
01. Liberals HATE America!
02. Mexicans LOVE America!
03. Deport ALL LIBERALS!
04. Import ALL MEXICANS!

A FRIENDLY REMINDER - the TRUTH RULES!
White House spokesman Tony Snow said President Bush "misspoke" Tuesday when he told a group, “You know, I’ve heard all the rhetoric – you’ve heard it, too – about how this is amnesty. Amnesty means that you’ve got to pay a price for having been here illegally, and this bill does that.”

Deportation
Here is something that should be of great interest for you to pass around. But, back during the Great Depression, President Herbert Hoover ordered the deportation of all illegal aliens in order to make jobs available to American citizens that desperately needed work.

And then again in 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower deported 1.3 million Mexican nationals! The program was so that American WWII and Korean veterans had a better chance at jobs. It took 2 years, but they deported them!

Now, if they could deport the illegals back then, they can sure do it today!! If you have doubts about the veracity of this information, enter a search and confirm it for yourself.

THEY DO WHAT MOST AMERICANS DON'T...
FBI CRIME STATISTICS: 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens.

83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens.

86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens.

75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens.

24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

48.2% of all inmates in New Mexico detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally

29% (630,000) convicted illegal alien felons fill our state and federal prisons at a cost of $1.6 billion annually

53% plus of all investigated burglaries reported in California, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona and Texas are perpetrated by illegal aliens.

50% plus of all gang members in Los Angeles are illegal aliens from south of the border.

71% plus of all apprehended cars stolen in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada and California were stolen by Illegal aliens or “transport coyotes".

47% of cited/stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 47%, 92% are illegal aliens.

63% of cited/stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 63%, 97% are illegal aliens

66% of cited/stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance and no registration for the vehicle. Of that 66% 98% are illegal aliens.

BIRTH STATISTICS 380,000 plus “anchor babies” were born in the U.S. in 2005 to illegal alien parents, making 380,000 babies automatically U.S.citizens.

97.2% of all costs incurred from those births were paid by the American taxpayers.

Lexx777 - watch for traitors
of course it can be done..if there is a will:

Hoover's way: deport 1.2 million - 10, 20, 50 times....No problem!

The problem is - there is "a little" inconvenient truth - NA Union, as signed in Waco on March 23, 2005
- "no mo" USA - ("no mo" dollars, only Amero) even our gvmt talks about that officially on:
http://www.spp.gov

Strange, scary, treasonous, but real... :(

Reality is simple
The founding fathers could never foresee that bi-partisan Socialists would impose a Soviet style bureaucracy on top of our representative system of government.

Bureaucracy is the layer of ineptitude Socialist politicians use to insulate themselves from being made responsible for their dismally stupid ideas.

Which are our own dismally stupid ideas, every country has the leadership its people deserve.

These Frankesteins in Washington are our creation, no surprise that like in Mary Shelley's novel we now cannot control them.

It is us, Americans who dismantled the structures of assimilation. What turns an immigrant into an American is the conviction that America’s political system is greater than his former country.

Since we have turned patriotism into an Imperialist vice, fewer and fewer immigrants are forced to take a hard look at the human culture and government of his/her former home.

Grocery workers being allowed to refuse to handle pork?

Unelected "community activists" regulating free speech?

Muslim immigrants being allowed to bring multiple wives as ‘sisters?’

Mexican flag waving revolutionaries clashing on May 1 with the LAPD?

Every concession we allow is an endorsement to the value of their failed form of government.

This monstrosity is our creation because we refuse to recognize that anti-discrimination laws have gone too far.

Globalization requires multiculturalism, but when I go to China I am expected to respect the ways of China. Other countries do not allow the flaunting disrespect of their values that we allow to people who are suppose to act like guests inside our home.

Only by holding a communal sense of kinship can we avoid Balkanization

ChairmanMao
LA RAZA , ANTI-AMERICAN SCAB, WAS INVITED BY tED "THE DRIVER" TO SEE AMENSTY BILL,
but you and I - were NOT!
Ted says: Peeeeeeeeeeeeeeee on Americans!!!

Treeaason?

Scam
This whole thing is one giant scam from alot of big money politicians on both sides of the aisle that want to exploit these people for cheap labor, and they want to exploit us for the shortfall in the wages. It's humanitarism in the guise of corruption.

thinker
none of your statistics can be backed up. i suppose you got them from v-dare.
show me the source for those.

see, law enforcement does not keep records on illegals. illegals are lumped in with hispanics in the offical records.

but even if that wasn't a fact, your so called facts are ridiculous on their face.

i have done the research.
go to the federal bureau of justice website and then go in under federal dept of corrections statistics and you find no category for illegals.
none zero nada

so where did those statistics come from?

they are made up.

one more example.

you say 53% of "investigated" burglaries in four states are perpetrated by illegals.
how does an investigator determine that a burglar was illegal without finding and arresting them.

sheesh


Amnesty and the backlog
I agree with your column and have dealt first hand with this legal system. However, because we are both unwilling to fund and incompetent to clear the backlog, empathy with the illegal is logical. For that reason, I think we have the current bill being seriously considered. I am sure you can feel for the majority of good folks just trying to make a better life here because their own countries fail them and I am sure you can see why, when confronted with a broken system, unable to accomodate the demand, that desperate people will resort to desperate measures. It really is unfair to brand folks who otherwise are law abiding into the class of criminals even though illegal entry is a crime. So, I have several solutions in addition to fully funding the backlog and building the fence with full fury.
1-Offer any illegal desiring to stay the option to swear allegiance to the U.S.Flag and be immediately drafted into the armed forces for four years, and upon earning an honorable dischange be granted immediate citizenship.
Offer this to anyone already in line with pending papers, as well. Anyone willing to fight terrorists for their freedom deserves amnesty. 2.Anyone not fit to serve can still swear allegiance, but they must register, pass a security clearance, and agree to have their wages garnished for the next 10 years to pay any back taxes, immigration fees, and fines for illegal entrance.
3.Anyone not willing to swear allegiance has to register as an illegal alien and then has 30 days to pack up and get out and go apply for work papers from Mexico. If they return illegally, they will be deported for life, because they will have signed an agreement to that effect when first picked up.
4. Finally, give border patrol agents permission to shoot to kill all cayotes, smugglers, and drug dealers and shoot at the legs of any illegals seen in the process

immigration
If you want to know why the Washington crowd want this bill so badly, read the Wall St. Journal editorial for today. It's all about the votes. It's also interesting to note the attitude of these editors, sitting up there on their lofty pedestals; calling opponents of this bill "a passionate minority", since when has 70% of the American people been a passionate minority? They also infer that prejudice for the Hispanic people is a key reason this "passionate minority" are protesting this bill. Give me a break. As a mother of four children, I've learnt that rewarding a bad behavior, will result in that behavior continuing, punish that behavior, and it will eventually stop. Simple. I also speak as a LEGAL immigrant who started my process the year prior to the last amnesty, 1986. My husband and I were sponsored, and it took four years of legal work and red tape, I see now that it would have been a lot cheaper and less trouble to have waited for the next amnesty. Believe me there will be a need for it again in 20 years, any illegals out there who miss this one, will just have to wait it out.

thinker and real facts
the problem with many conservatives is that they believe anything they are told by the conservativee media and each other.

thinker made the outrageous claim 80-90% of murder warrants were for illegals.

well here is the website of FBI crime stats and it says no such thing.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_55.html

i have just spent 30 minutes at the fbi website for crime statistics and none of your facts like most conservative facts are true.

religious lib ET AL
many times I have spent time to answer liberals - and ALL I GOT FROM THEM WAS: "it is not true" or "I did not see it".

Do you think we make it up?
I WISH I WAS WRONG!!!! BUT THOSE ARE THE FACTS!

DO NOT LIKE 90%?
HOW ABOUT 80, 50, 20, 10, 9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1%?

EVEN ONE PERCENT IS 1 PERCENT TOO MANY!!!!!

Call FBI,look at their site...

I WILL NOT LOSE TIME ANYMORE ANSWERING "PROVE IT"!

Amnesty and the backlog
Oh, did I forget to mention the guest worker? Nah. I just don't want anyone here other than a legitimate tourist, student, cultural exchange visitor, trainee, seasonal migrant farm laborer, long term resident retiree or applicant for citizenship. Anybody see what happened to our Europe cousins with guest workers? Our current legal system with temporary workers needs no improvement. It is very strict. The employer must show failure to find adequately skilled labor in the local marketplace as part of applying to sponsor a foreigner to work here. My only extra proviso to that would be to require a decision after one year: Apply for citizenship or prove substantial financial resources, buy property, and agree to being inelligible for any public assistance until a citizen.

thinker i gave you the website
all you have to do is click on the link and you will see that there is not even a category for hispanics much less illegals in the fbi crime statistics.

lol

RELIGIOUS LIB and the rest ...
1. DO YOU KNOW illegals steal our Soc. Sec. numbers to get work? 10 million of them?
Gvmt data.
2.do you know MAJORITY of illegals drive without insurance and dr. license?

IF YOU ANSWER THEY "DO NOT", YOU ARE A LIAAAAAR.
IF YOU ANSWER "YES" , I REST MY CASE

lib!
your link is NOT about illegals!!!!

DIDN'T I SAY I WILL NOT LOSE MORE TIME ON APPARATUSES LIKE YOU????

i ask any fair minded conservative
to click on the fbi crime statistics link i have posted and explain to me how thinker can say his facts are true.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_55.html

thinker
that is the point my friend--the fbi does not keep those statistic so yours are simply made up and BOGUS.

you orignial post said you were quoting fbi crime statistics.
that is not true now is it.

thinker
you are simply not credible.
you cannot back up any of your claims with real data.
you are just making stuff up.

thinker
i give you actual numbers from the fbi and you give me emotional whining.

very typical of many conservatives.

all emotion--- no facts

it is your choice
It is your chooice - you can be an idiot all your life, or grow up....

When I was your age, I though I will change the world for better - like most of Holywood imbeciles.


THE DIFFERENCE - I have grown up, they did not.

You get knowledge in schools - but WISDOM comes with age, to some.

NO MO ANSWERS TO CREATURES LIKE YOU

Thinker
Mensan. - AND YOU ARE NOT.

Great link
to a great on-topic song that you'll enjoy, and is pretty funny, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJfS1v-fU0


gf/crawfish
Re: What's left to save.

I've had similar thoughts of our soldiers and the war in Iraq. I feel we've done all we can there to help them establish freedom. The Iraq's don't seem to want to do anything for themselves. They just continue their barbaric infighting. While or politicians shove it to us with this scamnesty bill. Giving away the very freedom our solders
are fighting to preserve.

I say bring them home now! But them on our borders armed and with orders to use deadly force against any and all trying to invade! Let the Middle East Barbarians kill each other!

Callers
I have been on the phone this morning, calling the senators that voted "Yea" yesterday on the cloture vote.

I was told by Senator Dominici's staffer that he is going to put out a statement later today, that he is changing his vote to "no" on cloture tomorrow, and he soes plan to fight this bill.

Phone calls seem to be helping!!

religious lib
I notice you like to use the FBI stats when it suits your purposes. But any government stat in regards to the WOT is another story. It's a grand conspiracy and government cover up, war for oil, etc. But when it comes to immigration suddenly the govt. is credible. The 80-90% stat is actually a stat that applies to the LA area. Furthermore you are trusting stats from the people who are doing the exploiting. Try CATO Institute, Claremont Foundation, or Heritage Foundation, however their stats are govt. funded through grants. Manhatten Institute is another good place to look.

more bs
I see there is more bs posted about the WOT and bringing the troops home. It's just that. BS!

Should read
he Does plan to fight this bill.

thinker
i notice you still cannot respond with facts but only with emotions.

did you click on my link?
are those facts are false?


lolo
let me get this straight

you are saying that statistics from right wing think tanks is more accurate than the FBI statistics.

i am sorry but i don't even your fellow conservatives can support that.

the stats were for metropolitan areas and if you dig deep enough you will find LA.

the point is lolo the thinker said they were fbi crime statistics and the fbi does not categorize illegals in thier stats so his statement is a flat out lie.

Deporting
How do you deport 12 million illegal aliens? Easy--one illegal alien at a time!

LOLO, NANA, PATRIOT, BRIANR, ETC
HOW CAN WE TALK TO LIBS, IF THEY REFUSE TO ANSWER?

Some time ago I have asked one:

1. DO YOU KNOW illegals steal our Soc. Sec. numbers to get work? 10 million of them?
Gvmt data.
2.do you know MAJORITY of illegals drive without insurance and dr. license?

YES OR NO?

---GUYS - NEVER GOT AN ANSWER :):):)

BrianR
Your right! It is a great link! Thanks for posting same!

Some reforms that would make sense
(1) Eliminate the "Sibling of Citizen" category entirely; it has double-digit YEARS backlogs already and in principle already looks like a "last-resort of otherwise unqualifiable". This would free up some visa numbers to clear employment immigration backlogs
(2) Build the fence on the Mexican border
(3) stop making the lame excuse that the 12+ million illegals in US "cannot be rounded up and deported". Eisenhower with only 1100 CBP personnel (less than a tenth of today's DHS--and note that this was WITHOUT much of the technology available today) was able to deport 1.3 million illegals in 1953 (no I'm not assuming linearity, but it should be much simpler).

Thinker: heh heh
They NEVER answer when you confuse the issue with facts.

Facts to a liberal are like Kryptonite to Superman.

Nanna, and All
Call--call--call your senators!

Call them and email them, and then call them again.

Call especially the "Amnesty Eight" who changed their vote on Tuesday: Bond, Brownback, Burr, Coleman, Ensign, Nelson, Pryor and Webb.

We won't forget this act of treason! Ever!


BrianR
but, but, but....oh! - I thought they care...... :---{
Results are never important, of Kors, but the feeeeling and Kerry'ing... ;)

How do you discuss with a supposedy grown-up -with a brain of a 5-year old?

(and they always DO repeat the statements of their liberal teachers/professors, 'cause they have no own ideas)

Another stat: 90 to 95% (and the rest just may lie) of media/teachers - have stated they are liberals ... it is "even", naturally....

BrianR
If you throw a rock at a pack of dogs, the one that yelps the loudest is the one you hit!

I give you, ReligiousLib!

Amen Michelle
I am writing this without reading the 108 comments, so if anyone else has said this I apologize for appearing repetitive.
Put the money that will go to pay for all these damn frivoluous spending earmarks and put it toward hiring people to run background checks and process paperwork. Take care of those who legally applied first. Get the process under control. Also, seal the damn border, and prosecute employers of illegals. I have no problem with immigration, just do it legally. To my two senators, Jeff Sessions and Richard Shelby: Thank you for voting against cloture of the immigration bill. I want to throw all the bums in Congress out, but I want to keep you there since you "get it".

brianr here is proof
that it is conservatives who have an aversion to facts.

thinker started out a post with this statement:
"FBI CRIME STATISTICS: 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens."

so i went to the FBI website here:

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/

and found this breakdown on race.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_03.html



as you can see they do not categorize by hispanic or illegals so that means that thinker was not giving me FBI crime statistics.

now which of us is not dealing with facts?




georgetwin
nice rejoinder

why are conservatives like yourself afraid of facts?

rugged individualist
Punishment fitting the crime:

Round up illegal aliens to build the fence (all 2000 miles of it).

I had the same idea yesterday. I like it.

And this too,

Another poster suggested (among other good ideas) we have them swear allegiance to the USA and induct the males into the military to serve FOUR years. An added benefit would be their fast track to assimilation and English language immersion.

If they're not up for it, ship them home. Do the biometric thing so they can NEVER re-enter.

All it takes is the will of the people -- to put the screws to lawmakers to adopt and enforce measures such as these.

"We the people" have got to get our act together and speak in ONE voice to demand what we believe is best for our nation's survival.

We've got to stay on top of things and not ever believe the propaganda coming from our SERVANTS in D.C.

We've got to become better at reading between the lines. We've got to become better informed.

Their agenda/vision for this nation, as far as this latest treachery has uncovered (these guys and gals are not being straight with us -- something else is going on that they dare not apprise us of), is contrary to the vision of the American people.


fair minded conservatives
if you will follow my discussion with thinker and brian r and georgetwin you will see that i present facts and they present insults.

are they representative of conservative thought?

OK, Several Amendments Are Tabled
That means that some of those voting for cloture yesterday, in the hope of having their amendments added to the bill, have absolutely NO REASON for doing so tomorrow.

...Unless their arms are twisted by GWB and friends.

CALL--CALL--CALL!!!

Jim Webb's amendment failed. Graham's amendment failed. Bond's amendment failed. There are three "no" votes tomorrow if we scream loud enough at them.

B!tch loud, b!tch often and b!tch hard.

RelLib: You are an exception
You and I have had some interesting conversations on the issues, but your approach is by no means typical of your ideological brethren and sisteren(?)

And I'll save you the time by acknowledging that on the Right, we too have flamethrowers.

I have to say that my observations lead me to the conclusion that more rational discussion comes from the Right than from the Left, and I don't think the conclusion comes from my own biases.


more illegals doing the crimes we won't
http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070627/NATION/106270081/1001

The head of a Mexican forgery ring was convinced he could make phony documents that illegal aliens could use to indicate fraudulently that they were eligible for a new amnesty, says a government affidavit recounting wiretapped phone calls the man made.

Julio Leija-Sanchez, who ran a $3 million-a-year forgery operation before he was arrested in April, was expecting Congress to pass a legalization program, which he called "amnesty," and said he could forge documents to fool the U.S. government into believing illegal aliens were in the country in time to qualify for amnesty, a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agent said in the affidavit.

Support your illegal alien criminal today!

RelLib
I present insults? (your latest post).

I don't think so; that's not my style. When I take someone on, it's on the basis of their facts, reasoning, or logic.

When they become ridiculous, then I take them on at that level, too, with ridicule, irony, satire, etc.


To Richard the Lion
Your point:
1-Offer any illegal desiring to stay the option to swear allegiance to the U.S.Flag and be immediately drafted into the armed forces for four years, and upon earning an honorable dischange be granted immediate citizenship.

Great. Lets pay them military wages, give them free housing, medical care, and give them access to military bases, information and weapons...Oh, and they can bring their immediate family too!

Are you HIGH? If we are worried about terrorists infiltrating our country, why would we provide them inside access to our national defense? Furthermore, this would just be flooding our armed forces with a bunch of non-English-speaking and under-educated people. We have an all volunteer force of AMERICANS. If they want to be an American they can petition LEGALLY. Once they have started the legal process, I believe they are eligible to serve in the Armed forces. We don't need to dump the immigration problem on our already over-taxed military. I cannot imagine the mess of having to include English as a Second language at Boot camp!

I am a military wife, so I think I speak with some credibility. This is a TERRIBLE idea and reflects the general population's disdain for the integrity of our fine military.

Let's just place a moratorium on immigration until the backlog is gone AFTER we secure our borders and begin deportation RIGHT NOW.

Crime rates
This link

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_illegalsandcrime

presents a study with all appropriate documentation that indicates illegal aliens are 50% more likely to be involved in criminal activity than others.

It also cites its references including the FBI Uniform Crime Reports.


read it and weep
Former Congressman John R. Rarick warned:


The CFR, dedicated to one-world government, financed by a number of the largest tax-exempt foundations, and wielding such power and influence over our lives in the areas of finance, business, labor, military, education and mass communication media, should be familiar to every American concerned with good government and with preserving and defending the U.S. Constitution and our free-enterprise system. Yet, the nation's right to know machinery – the news media – usually so aggressive in exposures to inform our people, remain conspicuously silent when it comes to the CFR, its members and their activities.

The CFR is the establishment. Not only does it have influence and power in key decision-making positions at the highest levels of government to apply pressure from above, but it also finances and uses individuals and groups to bring pressure from below, to justify the high-level decisions for converting the United States from a sovereign constitutional republic into a servile member of a one-world dictatorship.


Who are some of the past and present members of this anti-American operation? Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, Colin Powell, Donald Rumsfeld, Porter Goss, Alan Greenspan, John Bolton, Paul Wolfowitz, Gen. Richard B. Myers, Henry Hyde, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, George Bush Sr., Sandra Day O'Connor, George Soros, Christopher Dodd, Diane Feinstein, Gerald Ford, Bill Frist, Newt Gingrich, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Katherine Harris, Teresa Heinz, Antonia Hernandez – President of Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, Gen. John P. Jumper – current Air Force chief of staff, Joseph Lieberman, John McCain, Rupert Murdock, David Rockefeller, Diane Sawyer and Tony Snow.

Read context for yourselves at:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44841

BrianR - and NO answer from libs
For a sake of a discussion, let's say they are RIGHT - and "MY" stats are WRONG!
So, now, let's go there:

I have asked 'em 2 simple questions:

1. DO YOU KNOW illegals steal our Soc. Sec. numbers to get work? 10 million of them?
Gvmt data.
2.do you know MAJORITY of illegals drive without insurance and dr. license?

NO LIBERAL HAD ANSWERED SO FAR....

ANYONE THERE??????????????????????????

Scamnesty
No matter which side of the aisle you support, they're both corrupt.

But, ALL polls are pretty much in agreement that around 80% of all Americans want the illegals out and the borders secured.

That 80% includes both sides of this country.

Hopefully, all of us will remember who voted what in the 08 elections.

I will also take the time to thank both of my Senators from GA who voted NO.

Religiouslib
I've never been a fan of googling percentages or linking sites that hold my belief system.

So, are you saying that we truly do not have an illegal immigration problem?

Are you saying that the neighborhoods are not changing and being filled with criminal activity by illegals?

Is it a figment of my imagination when I go the mall and see at least 10 young 20-something hispanic girls with 4 children under the age of 6 in towe and one one the way?

Is it my own paranoia that I carry pepper spray when I get my mail because my illegal immigrant neighbors like to give me the cold glare and hoot at me?

No emotion here, just the facts. Not that you'd find it in an FBI file or website. You don't have to believe it. If your neighborhood hasn't turned into Tijuana in the past few years...just wait. It will change shortly.

Of course, you might find numerous gangs, grafiti, drugs and crime going on in your neighborhood then, however, since you can't prove it with FBI facts, then it doesn't truly exist.

They classify Hispanics as white
That's why the FBI's white crime statistics are so high, religiouslib.

Americans see the police reports in our local papers and notice all the Hispanic names, even in areas with small Hispanic populations.

Mrs Paddy, Right On!
I am one of those fools who played by the rules. After college, I wanted to give something back to the country that had welcomed me so warmly, and I decided to join the military--as an enlisted man.

However, in the meantime, then-INS had lost my green card application. I was heartbroken over not being able to join. The years passed, and the application remained in limbo, until, finally, I got it when I was no longer age-eligible to join.

Any time I hear about ANYTHING being offered to lawbreakers it makes me so angry I want to scream. We don't need these people--and least of all in our fine military. That's one thing we definitely want to remain firmly planted in the *first world."

As someone else said, thank God America is doing relatively well economically. Otherwise, this would be the basis for a popular revolt of massive proportions.

BrianR & Press One for English
Thanks for the link. I remember hearing that the song stirred up a little controversy in Hillsborough, Florida when the Rivolis performed it at a police function. Some people are way too PC and thin-skinned. I prefer northern Florida.

bly - - - 4:24 AM - The Recogning
bly wrote...""None of the current explanations out there account for this inexplicable behavior by our "conservative" elected leaders. Further it's something we are not wanted to know.
One can guess, but where that leads is even less comforting. But consider, With this massive influx of undocumented immigrants; How can they not be worried about terrorist attacks? Do they not believe those who let them in will be held up to blame when those attacks occur? Apparently not. WHY NOT?
They feel there is something they KNOW which will turn this to their advantage.I can think of only a very few possibilities which would explain this and they point at a BIGGER storm than the one which they are creating.""
-----------------------------------------
Yes, I know bly. It is a real puzzler, and smells to high heaven of something we are not on to yet.
I smell a real bomb here too. Nothing about this makes any sense except sellout. Sellout to who or to what.??. What are their real plans.??. Is this just a first step to something much bigger.??.

Are they using this as a first step to taking away the constitution as we slide into submission.??. Are we looking straight into the cannon's mouth.??. Are we the cannon's fodder.??.

There can not be this amount of stupidity, so it must be this amount of CUNNING.. stealth and planning to make a move that none of us would stand for..

I noticed in an earlier post "SEE Mountain Rose 3:36AM", that blacks citizens who had a march and demonstration protest against the immigration bill with permission from the city of L.A. were put down and defied their right to continue by an organized gang of Hispanic thugs. The police said sorry, just go home and lump it.

Does this ring a bell folks.??. Does anyone one smell smoke.??. Where there is smoke there is fire.. Fire in a crowded theatre.. Coming soon to your neighborhood..

Murders by illegals
The statistics show that on average, 25 murders a day are committed by illegal aliens.

It is a total that includes drunk driving murders and the good old fashion conventional murders.

So, why aren't the lefty loosers marching on Washington with these numbers?

That's around 300 dead Americans a month.

Far, far ahead of the average death toll from the WOT.

But, that's ok about those Americans being murdered by illegals. Their not soldiers, just average joe republicans/democrats like you and me.


Current Leaders Sadly Compromised
Memo to Michelle Malkin: Great article!
It is time this country truly takes care of this problem and do it with the equal determination is does when it comes to collecting our federal income tax. Interesting how they have no problem processing hundreds of millions of 1040 tax forms each year but tracking down illegal immigrants is too much work. For a ton of reasons we need to clean them out of our country and keep them out. At the same time we need to bring our legal immigration process up to speed so it can handle the work load in an appropriate manner.

brianr
i too had thought we had engaged in civil and respectful dialogue before and was kind of taken aback by this statement.

"Thinker: heh heh
They NEVER answer when you confuse the issue with facts.

Facts to a liberal are like Kryptonite to Superman "

as far as you link, i am still waiting for someone to explain to me where the conservative think tanks are getting their raw data from.

local, state and federal crime statistics do not break it down as to whether someone is illegal or not so there are simply no raw data to draw conclusions from.

it is against the law for them to do so, i am not saying that should be the case, just saying it is the case.

now they can estimate based on this or that but that is not fact just supposition and conjecture.




reddevil
please show me the statistics and the source that allows you to make that claim.

reaganite
you are correct but my point is that you cannot then use those statistics to make claims about illegals because it has not been compiled.

we have people throwing out all kinds of statement like "illegals kill 25 americans a day" or "95% of murder warrants in LA are for illegals" when there is no source for those statistics.

i am simply trying to get the facts and the truth and am jumped on because i have the audacity to ask for accurate data.

Stay to the point!
_-The point of Michelles article was to draw attention to the overburdened immigration deptartment.She is only breaking the skin of a bureaucracy American citizens no nothing about. A bureaucracy the majority of undocumented skipped to enter post haste.If you have never been involved with the process,you no nothing of the obstacles put before anyone who comes here legally.Why do you think employers,who employ undocumented,don't do the paperwork.Beside the fact they skate on taxes,and fees,employers pay, the paperwork cost thousands in filing fees,attorney fees.The point Michelle is making is, the immigration department needs reform. This legislation,and past legislation,will never work without needed reforms.Get after your representatives to fix the problem! It's great to pull statistics as to the problems illegals cause.Try pulling some statistics from the immigration department and see the difficulties Michelle faces as she digs for the truth.

Yep, regularize
the illegal aliens while over 2 million under-skilled Americans are trying to find work but can't. http://www.house.gov/larson/pr_040205.htm

Face it, folks. The government just doesn't care about poor, American working people, only the poor, downtrodden criminals who's first act in the country is to break the law.

I think its time to clean house in DC, vote ALL of the slimy, double-talking, weasels out of office. Unless, of course, you LIKE being lied to.

Statistics
religiouslib writes: Wednesday, June, 27, 2007 2:25 PM
"reddevil
please show me the statistics and the source that allows you to make that claim. "

Sir, why is it you don't believe we have a very serious problem