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Wednesday, June 20, 2007
Michelle Malkin :: Townhall.com Columnist
Behead All Those Who Insult Islam
by Michelle Malkin
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Jihadi's Guide to Etiquette Rule 11: Never leave home without your matches, effigy-hanging sticks and death threat placards. You never know when they'll come in handy.

In Pakistan, dutiful followers of the jihadi guide have found a new pretext this week for an anti-Western bonfire party: the knighting of author Salman Rushdie in Britain. Muslim groups are burning Queen Elizabeth and Rushdie in effigy. The Union Jack is in flames. The Religion of Perpetual Outrage strikes again.

It's not just some obscure spokesman for a "tiny minority" objecting to Rushdie's knighthood and leading the renewed calls for Rushdie's death and Britain's submission. Pakistan's religious affairs minister, Mohammed ljaz ul-Haq, bellowed: "If someone blows himself up he will consider himself justified. How can we fight terrorism when those who commit blasphemy are rewarded by the West?" He says he was misunderstood, but the message is as loud and clear as the inscriptions on the infamous placards British Muslims waved around during last year's conflagration over the Danish cartoons:

"Behead all those who insult Islam. Slay those who insult Islam. Butcher those who mock Islam."

Pakistan's parliamentarian affairs minister Sher Afgan Khan Niazi piled on: "I demand the British government immediately withdraw the title as it is creating religious hatred." On Monday, Pakistan's Parliament passed a unanimous resolution "deploring the honor as an open insult to the feelings of the world's 1.5 billion Muslims." Mufti Muhammad Basheer-u-Din, Grand Mufti of Kashmir, didn't mince words: "Because of his blasphemy, Salman Rushdie remains an apostate and aggressor on Islam and punishment for such offences is death." Lord Ahmed, the first British Muslim member of the House of Lords, blamed Rushdie for violence past and violence to come:

"This man not only provoked violence around the world because of his writings, but there were many people who were killed around the world. . . . Forgiving and forgetting is one thing, but honouring the man who has blood on his hands, sort of, because of what he did, I think is going a bit too far."

Sort of?!

Yes, you see, it's always the fault of the accused insulter. Never the fault of the sword-wielders, fatwa-issuers, fire-setters and blood-lusters.

It's always the fault of the Western "extremists." Never the fault of the "moderate" followers of jihad.

The deaf and blind will dismiss this latest episode of manufactured Muslim outrage as a marginal outburst. But Rushdie, the target of death threats dating back to 1988 over his book "The Satanic Verses," has seen enough performances of Jihad Theater to take proper precautions. He has requested police protection after an Iranian group put a $150,000 bounty on his head. Forouz Raja'ee-Far, secretary general of the Headquarters for Honoring the Martyrs of Islam World Movement, offered the prize because, after all, "it is an obligation for all Muslims to kill Salman Rushdie even if he repents from the bottom of his heart and becomes the pious man of the time."

What does the Council on American-Islamic Relations have to say? Their website has a special "incitement watch" and "action alerts" section for its (dwindling number of) members -- but as of Tuesday afternoon, not a peep about the incitement of hatred and violence against Rushdie. They'll eventually pay lip service to The Religion of Peace, but do not forget Rule No. 5 in the jihadi's guide to etiquette: "You can lie if you do this for jihad."

Pakistani government officials are bleating about the need for "interfaith understanding" and sensitivity. In Washington for meetings with the Bush administration, Pakistan's foreign minister Khurshid Kasuri cooed: "When we talk of a globalized world, we have to be sensitive to each other's concerns."

As anyone with their eyes open through Rushdie's ordeal, the deadly Mohammed cartoons riots, the calls for beheading the Pope, Oriana Fallaci, Ayaan Hirsi Ali and defiant, ex-Muslim apostates around the world knows: "Sensitivity" in the jihadi world is a one-way, dead-end street.

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Of course, we are at fault
Just like we were at fault for the "cartoons" and we were at fault for the murder of Van Gough (I highly recommend Ayan Hirsi Ali's book "Infidel" if you haven't read it) anytime the Muslims go on a rampage. It is not their fault that their religion tells them to attack any infidel who does anything to offend them or their prophet or allah. We clearly deserved it.

After casting an appraising
eye at events in Iraq lately, I suggest we take a step back, let the Shias and Sunnis battle it out and massacre each other, then step in and mop up the rest.

That could be our new global strategy.

Comments on comments
First, if Pakistan's religious affairs minister, Mohammed ljaz ul-Haq is so fired up to have someone blow themselves up, why doesn't he do it himself?

" Lord Ahmed, the first British Muslim member of the House of Lords, blamed Rushdie for violence past...". I submit that the violence of the past was caused by Islamic clerics inciting their followers to violence. All in the name of praising Allah of course.

BrianR
I'm sad to say that I'm coming around to that view. I'm one of those who has argued that we cannot leave Iraq in chaos and allow a bloodbath to follow. But it seems they are intent on a bloodbath no matter what. I think we should re-deploy our troops to Iran, beat the living snot out of them, eradicate their nuclear program, and then leave two groups of 15,000 troops in the deserts of Iraq and Iran just to make sure no more ayatollahs or little Hitlers take over. Then prohibit all Arabs, Persians, North Africans, and Muslims from entering the U.S. for any reason. Meanwhile, double our efforts to create a missile shield.

and don't forget Waziristan
Michelle writes: "Pakistan's foreign minister Khurshid Kasuri cooed: 'When we talk of a globalized world, we have to be sensitive to each other's concerns.'"

Well, here's a concern of ours that I wish the Pakistanis would be "sensitive" to: Musharraf made a pact with the Taliban to give them a sanctuary inside Pakistan, in Waziristan. From which they can continue to conduct cross-border attacks on NATO forces in Afghanistan. And this undoubtedly gives al-Qaeda a new base. And from the intelligence reports, it appears that if Osama bin Laden is hiding anywhere, he's hiding inside Pakistan.

I guess we "insensitive" Americans aren't supposed to remind the Pakis of all this either.

Will the Muslims behead Steve Martin?
Comedian Steve Martin wrote a comedy routine about those 72 Muslim virgins in Paradise. Maybe he's the Islamists' next target after Salman Rushdie.

[WARNING: the humor is a bit risque]

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/2007/01/29/070129sh_shouts_martin

Muslims
when will the west wake up and realize the threat this blood cult is to the world. When poverty reigned they only fought amongst themselves. Awash with oil money they are in a position to realize their dream of world conquest. They are no longer satisfied with killing each other and seek to export their violence worldwide. When every muslim is a potential homicide bomber, having been promised a sexual paradise with allah, there seems to be a never ending supply of killers eager to escape the sqalid conditions of today's life for that vision of never ending joy. When every muslim is free to follow whatever hate filled preacher encourages the latest outrage how will they be stopped. When was the last day on this planet that was free from some muslim either killing either some fellow muslim or someone they imagined insulting their faith. Bombings are seemingly a daily occurance with markets, mosques and other public places the most popular sites. We ignore this threat at our peril. But what is the course of action that the west must take? Using the armed forces to stop a never ending civil war is wasting the lives of our young who are always targets and whose presence is used for more incitement by these so called followers of the religion of peace. We tried to give Iraq breathing space to form a government free of the ravages of Saddam but these people are either unwilling or incapable of living peacefully with each other. To continue the folly of keeping our soldiers in that part of the world is total folly but when the president refuses to face reality and willingly sacrifices our armed forces with no strategy that is comprehensible perhaps those on the left are right in calling for his removal. Bring the troops home now and let this blood cult kill each other off. They are a failed group of people that have reached the point where there is neither redemption or the ability to stop themselves from self destruction. But for our own protection we must remain vigilant and strong to prevent these lovers of peace from exporting their violence to our country. Unfortunately it will take an act even more horrific than 911 before those on the left wake up to the threat.

Islam, "the religion of peace"...
... peace of the graveyard, that is....

I laughed good and hard...
...when I heard this, knowing that it would set off all the usual suspects in the usual way. And they are never so cute as when they're angry.

I wonder, who put Sir Salman on the Honors List? I hope it was H.M. the Queen herself, Defender of the Faith. I love the old gal, and she is way beyond giving a rat's posterior for public opinion in Jihadistan.

Adding gasoline to the fire, I'll add that I always thought of "The Satanic Verses" as non-fiction. Burn, baby, burn!

Martin and Williams
Oh, and I followed the Steve Martin link. Some good chuckles and a few guffaws in there.

Still, I prefer Robin Williams's joke about a misreading of the text, such that there are 72 *Virginians* awaiting the Mohammedan exploded, and that they are none too happy: an eternity being caned by the likes of Washington, Jefferson, and Lee.

Huzzah for the Old Dominion!

Too funny
72 Virginians. LOL

Irrationality, take a bow
Never have I seen so much irrationality as what is coming from the loutmouths of Islam. They make Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton look like Aristotle.

I wish I had the forum to insult Islam in a bigger way than places like this.

A am beginning to agree that we should let those idiots kill each other in Iraq. If we moved out, Iran would move in. Than maybe the likes of Saudi Arabia would have to spend their money on fighting Iran instead of financing terrorism.

The thought that 1/4 the world's population subscribes to this nutty religion is scary to the max. Even if only 1% are terrorism minded, that is still a lot of them. Are their THAT many virgins in paradise?

If I actually believed in a version of Allah, I wouldn't spit on their particular version of him if he was on fire. So there, put me on your hit list you crazies.



It's to bad ...
Mohammad never met a real Christian to show God's love to him and give him a Bible study, like Philip gave the Ethiopian in Acts 8:26-39, or things would be much better today in the Middle-East.

Pray for those who despitefully use you
is what the Bible says. Don't roll in the mud with them is what Mama says.

Let us make them perfectly aware of our displeasure and as someone mentioned above "beat the living stew out of them" with the best and most effectcive MOABs we have on hand; rain down hellfire missiles and blast them into the next world. "You want suicide? I'll show you suicide! Suicide is throwing your little toy bombs at people who have GROWN UP bombs."

Just as one does with a schoolyard bully, the answer is that one shows oneself to be the biggest SOB in the valley and do such an unmistakeable job that even these people can't mistake your meaning.

Then, as we did in Europe, go in and mop up and work with anybody who is left, to straighten their thinking out. Only do not make the mistake we made in Europe and stay there to protect them; you saw what good that did in Europe and elsewhere.

But pray for them meanwhile and don't get down on their level. Rain it down on them from above.

Religion of Peace & Tolerance??
HA! HA!HA! HA!HA! HA!HA! HA!HA! HA!HA! HA!

Religon of peace
My foot.Great article Michelle objectively pointing out why we must never let our guard down concerning these *peaceful* people.It's been 20 yrs since the Satanic verses was written and these slobbering islamic idiots still want to kill Mr. Rushdie.They won't give up coming after us...ever.

Lestat
It was a generous and noble idea to try to bring democracy to that part of the world, but I too am coming around to the view that it won't happen.

The only change I'd make in your plan would be to leave some troops to protect the Kurds, who seem to have a little more sense.

But silly liberals
will continue an all out attack on those bad mean hateful hypocrite Christians who don't approve of (among other things) homosexual acts, while ignoring the real threat to their liberal lifestyles: Islam.

meeting real christians
Mohammed did meet real Christians. They are talked aboutin the Koran as those who having learned islam continue to be good to us and love us in spite of their infidel ways. It is most enlighting to read that the Koran talks about using Christian love to destroy them and what fools Christians are to love their enemies.

I'm only going to say this once
There is apparently a technical glitch on TH that is doubling everyone's posts.

Silly liberals
The really interesting point is that whilst we Christians, whom the silly liberals dislike so much, only disapprove of homosexual behaviour, the mohammedans, whom many of those silly liberals think are just fine, will kill you if they catch you at it. Of course, they will kill you for almost anything you do or say that they disapprove of, or that they think insults them. Oh, and remember, the fact that you haven't yet converted to their cult, insults them.

No more double vision
Good, it is fixed now.

Chuck, it IS too bad that
"Mohammad never met a real Christian to show God's love to him and give him a Bible study, like Philip gave the Ethiopian(s)"

But me-thinks Muhammed was out looking for 14 year old virgins to deflower when the Christians came through town.

Which gives "IMPACT" an answer to the question "are there that many virgins" in Allah-land?
The answer is NOT A CHANCE so long as Muhammed is around to do the 'interviews'.

Michelle
Great column but for one thing...
You covered the deaf and blind but left out the DUMB...or DEM spell it any way you want.

Oh yeah
and a link to

TheReligionofPeace.com

just in case any of the deaf, dem, or blind want a taste of reality.

the glass bowl
I have to disagree. Turning huge areas of the ME into "glass bowls" sounds like a great solution at first. In reality, the human carnage would be unjustified. Who posting here would be brutal enough to order the bombs dropped or to actually release the weapons into population centers? Killing babies, severing their limbs, exploding their heads? Sorry, that is not how the USA is supposed to do it. Anyone who has read the Japanese accounts of LeMay's firebombings could not do it either. It is a pipe dream and is not going to happen. I believe in engaging the enemy as closely as possible and minimizing civilian casualties when at all possible. If this means we cannot conduct aerial bombardment next to a children's hospital then so be it. Sorry to rain on the parade but I do not believe that any of you are that cold or are willing to kill babies like the Palestinians are.

Justifying the bombings
In addition to Rushdie's knighthood, other things that justify suicide bombings:

grass, sand, blue, nouns, verbs, dangling participles, cardboard, ABBA, suicide vests, school buses, pizza parlors, rain, duckbilled platypusses, gumby, blackholes, quarks, duct tape, compact florescent lightbulbs, Rocky V, cuticles, cubicles, hangnails ...

Insult to Islop
Here and now I take the time to insult Islop. Mohammed was not a prophet. He is just a long dead swinging d. who wanted to be remembered for his B.S. He also exploited the craft of self-promotion, kind of like Ward Churchill has done for most of his career. But I would not call Churhill a scholar any more than Mohammed was a prophet.

The lowest level of insult is used by those who are most insecure about their faith or their B.S. If they believe a lie then they must defend the lie with utmost vigor and at every opportunity. And therefore no insult must go unchallenged. That takes a lot of energy.

I suggest that we insult them often and with vigor. I have been told that I own my own emotions and I am responsible for them. I think that Islamers own their own emotions as well. No need to bomb them, but everytime they come up to bat, just throw right at the Islamer's head and if you hit him, just yell at him to get his sorry butt to first base, and shut up.

I don't like their religion. To me it's a bunch of desert fried B.S. Plus, they don't tell me how to pray. That was taken care of a long time ago, even before Mohammed became the L. Ron Hubbard of the 7th century.

Dr.

In the name of Allah
In the name of Allah, the Mercifull and Compassionate, behead all Infidels.

Kilroy
That is stinkin' funny! Those fool Palestinians are always ready to whip themselves into a rage at a moment's notice, over nothing. Every time they are given the path to peace they blow it. "They never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity" as was said about them. You forgot the WNBA, cowpies, fax machines, microwave popcorn, candlepin bowling and chicken Mcnuggets. They truly are ridiculous when you think of it. Thanks for lightening the mood!

one solution to clash of civilizations.
Actually, it is fault of the unbelievers in the West. Specifically, it is the fault of the infidel Johannes Gutenberg who in 1440 had the gall to invent the printing press.

This wicked invention has allowed the defilers of the Prophet Mohammad(may Allah bless and protect Him)to reproduce their vileness either thru the written word or evil depictions.

The only implements practitioners of the peaceful religion of Islam want from blasphemous western infidels are the tools with which to destroy them and their wickedness.

Given that our president himself declared Islam to be a religion of peace, we need only to reach out to the muslim world.

As a gesture of our good faith, let us destroy our wicked inventions, especially printing presses and other instruments of media, retaining only those few printing presses used exclusively for printing the Qu'ran.







benH
Excellent satire! LD himself would be proud.

-Kilroy (Increased Chances)
Just to parallel your list. Things that make Suicide bombing more likely in the U.S.

1. Open Borders
2. John Edwards
3. Obama
4. Clinton
5. Any other dem nominee
6. dem controlled house and senate (damage done)
7. Ron Paul
8. NY Times leaking secret programs
(damaged done)
9. Our media bolstering enemy morale & hurting
ours (damage being done)
10. Party leaders publicly declaring defeat
during battle (wonder who they are? hhhmmm)

Best of the web
Look at the past few days of posts on "Best of the Web" (www.opinionjournal.com/best/). It fits perfectly with Kilroy's posts.

The Boston Globe, after criticizing Israel for occupying Gaza for years, is now blaming all the violence on the fact that Israel left.

Let's face it, if we finally gave in and let the "palestinians" exterminate every last Israeli, they would then turn around and begin killing us because we deprived them of Israelis to attack. No matter what we do (or Israel does) we are always to blame for the hatred of the Islamic states.

I say we give up, accept that Islamic hatred for the West is a given, and move on from there. Why waste time (as the State Dept does) trying to appease people who hate us no matter what we do?

wildwest says:
"when will the west wake up and realize the threat this blood cult is to the world. When poverty reigned they only fought amongst themselves. Awash with oil money they are in a position to realize their dream of world conquest."

That's funny - we have troops throughout Muslim lands, yet we should worry about THEM? We drop bombs on Muslim leands, yet they're the threat! You guys are so crazy, you make the Muslims look sane.

By the way, Michelle, did you ever hear of blasphemy? Ever hear of blasphemy laws? Some are still on the books in the US:

From MA: "Whoever willfully blasphemes the holy name of God by denying, cursing or contumeliously reproaching God, His creation, government or final judging of the world, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching or exposing to contempt and ridicule, the holy word of God contained in the holy scriptures shall be punished by imprisonment in jail for not more than one year or by a fine of not more than three hundred dollars, and may also be bound to good behavior."

From MD: "If any person, by writing or speaking, shall blaspheme or curse God, or shall write or utter any profane words of and concerning our Saviour, Jesus Christ, or of and concerning the Trinity, or any of the persons thereof, he shall, on conviction, be fined not more than one hundred dollars, or imprisoned not more than six months, or both fined and imprisoned as aforesaid, at the discretion of the court."

the UK still has blasphemy laws on the books - theugh they haven't prosecuted for about 70 years: "From the 16th century to the mid-19th century, blasphemy against Christianity was held as an offence against common law. Blasphemy was also used a legal instrument to persecute atheists, Unitarians, and others.

All blasphemies against God, including denying His being or providence, all contumelious reproaches of Jesus Christ, all profane scoffing at the Holy Scriptures, and exposing any part thereof to contempt or ridicule, were punishable by the temporal courts with fine, imprisonment, and corporal punishment. In 1656, the Quaker James Naylor suffered flogging, branding and the piercing of his tongue by a red-hot poker."

So, please, all of you nutjobs out there, the West - and Chritianity in particular, has not only spread the word of Christ by the sword - more far reaching than any Muslim couyld ever hope, but we too tortured and killed those who blasphamied.

Stop acting like such fools...





Big Dog
Christianity has spread by the sword? Well, yes, if you go back about 8-9 centuries, that is true.

The problem is, Islam is cutting off heads today. It is still officially a crime to leave Islam in Saudi Arabia. Name a Christian nation with a similar law.

By the way, I am not a Christian, so this is no apology for them. I just want you to be fair. Christianity hasn't spread by the sword for centuries. And the last people my religion exterminated were the Canaanites. Islam on the other hand is still actively murdering in the name of G-d.

Big Dog pt2
By the way, those blasphemy statutes you cite are, as you observe, NO LONGER ENFORCED. Islamic states enforce capital sentences for blasphemy TODAY.

BIG difference.

Sorry, your argument is just wrong.

BrianR
Great strategy!!!!

nolongersilent - great comments, but they will certainly fall on deaf ears. Trying to talk sense to a liberal is like talking to a brick wall :-)

Wildwest is Spot-On!!!!!
As I've said before, Islam is no more a “religion” than the KKK is a “civic improvements club”. As I see it the “real” problem is NOT with defeating Islam; we are equipped to do that. It is with the moron currently occupying the Whitehouse who refuses to acknowledge who our “real” enemy is. By him repeating the lie that “Islam is a religion of peace” only serves to make the situation worse not better. Step one to winning any war is to properly identify the enemy. Bush, and his minions, have not and will not do this. Why? Good question. Are they stupid? On the payroll of the enemy? I have no idea. I tend to think just very stupid.

We won WWII because FDR properly identified Germans as our enemy and NOT just Nazis. He identified the Japs as the enemy and NOT simply the militarists. Bush is incapable at identifying Islam as the enemy and claims our enemy is NOT Islam but the “radicals”. Until he or some future president – November 2008 can not come fast enough – properly identifies our enemy, we will lose.

Bigdog
so...you can't take the Lord's name in vain in this grand state of Massachusetts. But they seem to have no concern with the state judiciary making laws and then not allowing the citizens of the state an opportunity to vote on the actions of a few.

Great state! Just what our country's founders were thinking about when they fought for the rights of "we, the people"

Hey Ben Haggaaii
or whatever your name is.... In the name of Allah bite this

Ron Paul
This proves Ron Paul's point. The attack on 9/11 was provoked by American interventionist foreign policy. The current Muslim rant in the streets was provoked by Queen Elizabeth's misguided knighting of Rushdie. All we have to do is stop provoking the Muslims and they will leave us alone. Yeah, right, that will work.

Such Supreme Hypocrites
The question should be asked by Islamists why authors such as Rushdie would get famous and then eventually knighted for writing books such as the Satanic Verses?

Why and how could such a man rise to the top if it was all just fiction?

The answer is that Rushdie risked his life writing the TRUTH and that Islamists are now angry about being outed and being so aptly labeled by Rushdie. So how do they react to disprove Rushdie's prose and pending knighthood??? Why they react with VIOLENCE AND DEATH THREATS AND BURNING EFFIGYS!!!!!

Do these Islamists realize what supreme hypocrites they really are???

Andrews writes:
"Christianity has spread by the sword? Well, yes, if you go back about 8-9 centuries, that is true."

You think you have to go THAT far back? Try the American West. Look how we converted the Indians...

http://www.danielnpaul.com/HistoryItemsAndCommunityEvents.html

BOMB THEM WITH TRUTH AND DERISION
Islam is totally dependent on lies, ridiculous fantasies, intimidation and violence in order to exist and grow. We can fight it by not giving in to threats and intimidation and exposing it for what it is, a loony-tunes fabric of lies!

Here are a few of the insanities you have to believe to be a Muslim:

You have to believe that Mohammad went to Jerusalem one night on a donkey-like beast with the head of a man to the temple ("The Farthest Mosque")that wasn't even there at the time!

You have to believe in genies (ginn/ginii)

You have to believe in women (houris) made of musk (these are the fameous "virgins"

You have to believe that God resides in a small black rock in Saudi Arabia

That God created everything, both good and evil and predetermined everything that happens. That would make him the author of all lies and corruption as much as the author of good!

In short:
There is no Satan but Satan and Mohammad is his messenger.

Big Dog
I guess we should all follow sharia law then and be Muslim rather then taking measures to fight back. Or should we wait till they have nukes and better army so we can have a fair fight?

If you haven't noticed it is kind of hard to find a conflict in the world were the antagonist are not Muslims offended by something, spreading their religion or anything else in kilroy's list.

You just can't say no I'd rather not follow sharia are I'd rather not be Muslim to these people. BECAUSE then they kill you and your family etc...

Sorry I would prefer the west with all its flaws wins this conflict between ideologies.

Ron Paul is DEAD Wrong!
Ron seems to miss the point of the nature of "evil". He sounds like someone who would have professed back in 1939 that we were only "nicer" to Mr. Hitler he would be "nicer" to the Jews and give-up his plans for world conquest. Only a moron could have believed that; then or now. Nazism is "evil"; the cult of Islam is "evil". Until we come to grips with that fact, we can not hope to win.

Big Dog
The Inidians were not attacked because they were not Christians. Conversion was part of socialization, but was not the primary goal.

Sorry, you have been listening to liberals for too long.

Rob Writes:
"Big Dog: YOU wake up and deal with the present. But be careful how you speak. Those Christian terrorists in America may come for you and lop off your head.....Infidel!!!

I'm not worried, but to deny the exitence of the KKK and other Chritain terrorists - and the blood on THEIR hands, would be absurd - and you sure don't have to go way back for THOSE guys.
But don't let truth ruin your delusions...

andrews writes:
"The Inidians were not attacked because they were not Christians. Conversion was part of socialization, but was not the primary goal.

Sorry, you have been listening to liberals for too long."

Wrong - I'm not talking about the US government's genocidal Inidan Policy, I'm talking about Church policy - backed up with the force of US law and the US military. And regardless, the Inians WERE certainly converted...

Ron Paul
Is a good man with a lot of good DOMESTIC sense about returning this country to its Constitutional roots.

However, from a foreign policy perspective and especially his views about the middle east...we are darn lucky he opened his mouth at the two debates showing us just how absolutely clueless he is on this subject. He has no right to be even close to a Commander in Chief, let alone being the CIC. Maybe reincarnation is real....R. Paul = Neville Chamberlain??

Big Dog
To clarify: The Indians often were aggressors, so I am not saying they were "attacked" at all. My point was most Indian conflicts were over territory and various treaty violations, none were over religious matters.

Big Dog
So, any time a Christian nation colonizes another and bring their culture, which includes their religion, you see that as the same as Islamic governments cutting off heads to force conversion.

Sorry, the Indians were not told to convert or die. You may like to believe that, but it IS NOT TRUE.

Whether or not Indians converted, and whether Christianity was urged upon them by the state, they were not forced to convert or die. So your argument is not valid. It was no conversion by the sword.

You are just wrong.

Big Dog
You miss another point. you say "Church policy", well that is irrelevant. You see, in the Wes, unlike in Islam, Church policy is not state policy.

So the Church cannot spread faith by the sword.

So you undercut your own argument that Christianity is still (or recently was) spreading faith by the sword.

On the other hand, Islam is doing THAT VERY THING.

Please, stop listening to your professors. They are biased and wrong.

Other takes on the problems
Innovative thinking is rare, and let's face it, we're rehashing the same ideas in different words.

I would like to hear a psychologist's analysis of the "Islamic problem". Do they have small penises? Are there a disproportionate number of individuals with questionable gender identity problems in Islam, and is that why they are so willing to blow themselves up, to avoid persecution for being an abomination under Islamic faith? Why are those vocal muslim leaders so stupid in their pronunciations - is is that their populations' overall average IQ is very low compared to the average Westerners' IQs? Are their fundamentalist involvements directly related to their unnacceptably high levels of unemployment and their actions merely a venting of their frustrations in that regard?

There are some legitimate reasons why they act the way they do and I personally doubt very much that faith in God is truthfully behind their actions.


JSG - It's more inane than that
Back in 1939, when informed that Hitler had invaded Poland, Illinois Senator William Edgar Borah (no relation to Borat), exclaimed, "What a tragedy. If only I could have spoken to Hitler."

Today's Democrats (Borah was a Republican) are of the same mentality. "Just talk to Iran," they say. Or Syria, Or Osama bin Laden.

My question is simple, what would you say?

Probably ...
They are just jealous of the west. One of the seven deadly sins too, incidentally.


Eagleone
No, Chamberlain was wrong on domestic policies too, so Paul can't be his reincarnation.

By the way
I was a big Paul supporter in the 80's and 90's and thought he was one of those politicians I liked who could never get elected. However, I have to say I now am a bit less enthusiastic, as his foreign policy perspective seems to driven by a didactic belief in isolation at any cost, failing to take into account that we can suffer from foreign actions that do not rise to a formal declaration of war by a foreign nation. In some ways he seems as out of touch as Kucinich.

Isnt Arguing About Missionaries
from 300 years ago just a bit tangential and disingenuous when trying to make a comparison about present day Islamists???

Big Dog, THAT WAS 300 YEARS AGO!!! All religions have undergone reformations...with the exception of Islam. But even trying to compare strong arm tactics of colonial day missionaries to current day islamofacists is laughable. That's like trying to say that Barney and a Tyrannsaurous Rex are the same thing.

Eagleone
Of course, liberals from the 30's sound like conservatives today (we have moved so far left), so I guess I would take even a 30's liberal over any of today's politicians.

Think about it, FDR's sweeping changes seem positively reactionary today (eg Social security only goes tot hose who paid in and worked and is based on income paid in, would such a mean policy be possible today? We would have to pay the same to all, regardless of history or payments.)

And Wilson's ideas would put him in the right wing of the Republicans.

How far we have come (in the wrong direction, sadly.)


Eagleone - Missionaries
You are correct, of course, that even misdeeds of 100 years ago are irrelevant. But Big Dog seems so intent on painting Christians as equivalent to Moslems, that I had to point out the last great forced conversions were 5,6,7, or more centuries ago. He seems to think the Pope currently has some sort of Rapid Deployment Conversion Squad wandering around forcing hail Mary's at gun point.

It is irrelevant what Christians did in the past, especially considering what Islam is doing TODAY, but I was hoping to bring a bit of accuracy to Big Dog's mistaken portrayal of Christians.

(Again, not a Christian, so please don't accuse me of being partisan. I just appreciate accuracy.)

The citation
Annotated Laws of Mass.
ALM GL ch. 272, § 36 (2007)

§ 36. Blasphemy.

Whoever wilfully blasphemes the holy name of God by denying, cursing or contumeliously reproaching God, his creation, government or final judging of the world, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching or exposing to contempt and ridicule, the holy word of God contained in the holy scriptures shall be punished by imprisonment in jail for not more than one year or by a fine of not more than three hundred dollars, and may also be bound to good behavior.

I just wanted to state the correct statute. Big Dog then recites what happened to a man in 1656. Well, the last time I looked it was June 20, 2007. English common law has been an evolutionary practice of an evolving standard of decency in the law and its application. Sharia law is not. Sharia law is theologically based upon the Koran. English common law is secular law upon which American law is based.

Historical debate aside, as to who did what to who and when, the current struggle is between Islam and Western Civilization. I love Western Civilization. It allows me to photograph the subject matter I wish to photograph, write, read, express myself, to be able to enjoy music, poetry, baseball, football and what ever other fascinating things I may do to further my abilitiies and creativity.

Islam would curtail most creativity. Hence, Islam is my enemy. I would have to wear a beard, pray in a way that is against my belief, and follow what Mohammed says, kind of like Simons only with harsher consequences if you don't.

As for insults, I do not take insults to Christianity seriously. What is the mark of a man? To be able to take an insult like a man and not like a whimpering child. If someone insults me I tell them: You can stop talking and just start walking. No screaming, no yelling, no burning flags. All that screaming and yelling and carrying on is just a sign of insecurity and real lack of faith. And when you believe a lie you have to defend it with vigor.

Dr. K

Andrews
Good post. FDR's four terms were in my opinion, the accelleration of the downfall of this country as a true democratic republic. His sweeping socialist programs may have created jobs for his constituents of the time, but it also created a whole new culture of entitlement mentality that is only getting worse the farther and farther we stray from the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. We now have over 5000 UNCONSTITUTIONAL Federal entitlement programs and a National Debt close to 80 trillion.

BIG DOG
Your lack of perspective is stunning! No evil act committed three hundred years ago justifies the evil being perpetrated by Islam today.

Pull your head out of that dark, unsanitary orifice and look around.

Islam is probably the greatest threat to peace and freedom the world has ever seen.

Eagleone
Of course FDR (and Wilson, and even TR) set the stage for the modern omnipotent state. I just find it amusing that they would be seen today as conservatives.

Even JFK
Could be seen as a conservative today.

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Big dog
it must comfort you to have a worm's eye view of history. There is no doubt horrible things happened to native peoples but it was a conflict of cultures. An industrial culture was moving against a hunt and gather society. Result: the industrial society won. Unfortunately for the indians libs had yet to be invented so there was no political faction to turn them into victim groups. There is always a danger of applying today's morality towards historic events of the past. It is easy to condemn past events but the prevailing ideology of the day won out. Tragedies occur but that didn't come into vogue till many years after the fact. That muslims still want to blame the crusades is likewise ridiculous. The crusaders are dead and buried. What have muslims done to create any semblence of a society capable of living weith itself. The oil sheiks live at the top, steal all the wealth and convince the abject poor the west and israel is their enemy. As you are undoubtedly a supporter of Mrs Clinton you probably won't object to her plans to steal our wealth through the tax system to distribute it amongst the great unwashed while she creates her workers paradise should the nightmare of her becoming president happen. However the real point is not your confused view of past history but rather the perils facing society today. Debating the past and looking for long dead boogie men gets away from the immediate problem. How do we deal with this blood-cult and their perverted view that their destiny is to wipe out the west and transfer the world intyo an islamic state? Or do you believe that christian killers from the crusades have brought this upon ourselves and we deserve what ev er atrocities the blood-cult choses to dish out?

Ah, Big Dog
Such a liberal. No matter what the topic is, he has to come up with something in our nation's past that he thinks is evil and beat us over the head with it. This is to prevent us from feeling or believing that our nation is the best nation on the face of the earth, and that American exceptionalism lives. Personally, I am sick of liberals telling me what a crap country this is because of something that happened long ago. Their standard for a decent country seems to be "perfect". I would like to know which other country on this planet matches their expectations. And then I would like to see them all move there.

andrews writes:
"It is irrelevant what Christians did in the past, especially considering what Islam is doing TODAY, but I was hoping to bring a bit of accuracy to Big Dog's mistaken portrayal of Christians."

Actually, it's not irrelevant at all, unless you're trying to paint Islam as some crazy religion that's unique in its violence. I merely bring it up, because our recent history is replete with Western violence towrds Muslim lands. What bothers people around here is that they're fighting back, now - and you don't like that. Or maybe they're just doing what we did - albeit in our past - a past you acknowledge and then just shrug it off.

But since we're talking ancient history, not since the crusades has a Muslim nation invaded ot attacked a Christian or Western one. Unless you feel that bin Laden speaks for the Muslim world - and unless you can point me to a Muslim nation that has declared war on the West - much less America, then i'd say you're all an over-reaching bunch of cowards with a yellow stirpe down your back the size of texas. Bin laden speaks for Muslims like the Klan speaks for Christians - and I don't see anyone calling for the klan to be destroyed, so just a deep breath and relax...

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Sobieski's greatest success came on September 12, 1683 with his victory at the Battle of Vienna, in command of Polish, Austrian and German troops, against the invading Turks under Kara Mustafa.

Upon reaching Vienna, he joined up with the Austrians and Germans. Sobieski planned to attack on the 13th of September, but he had noticed that the Turkish resistance was weak and ordered full attack on September 12. At 4:00 a.m. a united army of about 81,000 men attacked a Turkish army that numbered about 130,000. At about five o'clock in the afternoon, four husaria cavalry groups led by Sobieski charged forward, and soon after the Turkish battle line was broken as the Turks scattered in confusion. At 5:30 p.m., Sobieski entered the deserted tent of Kara Mustafa and the battle of Vienna was over.

The Pope and other foreign dignitaries hailed Sobieski as the "Savior of Vienna and Western European civilization." In a letter to his wife he wrote, "All the common people kissed my hands, my feet, my clothes; others only touched me, saying: 'Ah, let us kiss so valiant a hand!'"

Andrews
I understand your point about today's conservatives and I agree. It just doesnt seem to matter. Every Congress spends more than the next and the National Debt just grows. It seems that we are a socialist nation now and there is no turning back or the economic and social problems that come with it. Now that we are firmly part of the global economy, it will accellerate. I laugh at this sometimes seeing us now competing globally and the Democrats raising minimum wages (with so called conservatives looking the other way) at the same time! Its like jumping off a cliff and then shooting yourself at the same time on the way down.

wildest writes:
"There is no doubt horrible things happened to native peoples but it was a conflict of cultures. An industrial culture was moving against a hunt and gather society. Result: the industrial society won. Unfortunately for the indians libs had yet to be invented so there was no political faction to turn them into victim groups."

Not quite. An invading colonizer decimated the native peoples - it had NOTHING to do with a clash of cultures - not only did Americans take what they wanted, they reneged on the treaties they made - soley to steal the resources. Only a twit views history as a condemnation. Only an idiot see the past and disregards it to fit into some fkae picutre he has in his mind: America, land of the pure, the truthful and righteous (as longas you don't peak into our past). Idiot! As to your suggestion that no one spoke for the Indians, do a drop od research - like the abolitionists - who folks like you would call cretins, the Indians had white folks looking out for their interests.
those folks just lost the day!

Big Dog's Big Deception
The problem with your arguments and I am fairly sure you're aware of it is that FUNDAMENTAL, BIBLICAL Christianity completely and totally rejects the notion of forced conversion. The more fundamental a Christian is, the more they believe this. Not that there are no reasons for violence or war but that the religion of Christ is never to be spread that way.

There are professing "Christians" who have used gov't and violence to "spread" a faith... but it isn't the biblical one.

OTOH, the more fundamental and true to the Quran a Muslim is, the more apt they are to make statements like the ones above. Those statements were made by the Islamic equivalents of Billy Graham, Jerry Vines, or some notable Catholic Scholar. These are what the doctors of the Quran and Islam believe and teach when they have the freedom to do so.

Bottom line: It takes a perversion of Christianity to justify violence in the name of God. It takes a perversion of Islam to justify opposition to forced conversion to Islam.

I don't really expect you to be fair minded though. You have an agenda and it is currently Christians rather than Muslims standing in your way.

Behead all those who insult Islam.
"Behead all those who insult Islam. Slay those who insult Islam. Butcher those who mock Islam."

Hey, Islamo-nut jobs! Your "religion" is nothing but a backwards, primitive cult. Your great profit was nothing but a child-molesting murderous monster worthy of nothing more than perpetual condemnation. You followers of this cult are the epitome of absolute evil, and so afraid of your women that you feel compelled to beat up on those 1/3rd your size any time they so much as show an inch of skin. You are a band of cowards who cannot fight those you disagree with man-to-man, but instead you must strap explosives on your children and have them fight your battles for you by killing other innocent children!

You want to behead me? BRING IT ON!

The FACT of the matter is that these Islamo-nutjobs are not capable of existing in the modern world. They are a band of primitives from the 7th century who simply cannot get along with others from the year 2007.

Were it possible, and had I the power to do it, I'd round of every one of these nuts, take away all their modern toys -- their cell phones, their guns, their cars, their airplanes...EVERYTHING beyond 7th century technology -- then toss them in some wall-enclosed country where they will be confined. We can check up on them in a thousand years or so and see if they are ready to rejoin the modern world, perhaps. But they have made it more than clear that they are INCAPABLE of existing in the year 2007, and would feel much more comfortable in the year 607.

big dog, andrews etc.
The past is gone; past is no indication of the future... ask a stockbroker... ;)
I may say "you guys, (and me) poo in your pants!!"
Yes, it was the truth when we were 6 month old, but not now, when we are adults....
:---[

Big Dog
Wrong again. Muslim nations attacked long after the Crusades:

Vienna 17th century, for example. 4 centuries after the crusade.

The Barbary Pirates were abducting sailors under the protection of the governments of north Africa a century later.

The Greeks fought th Turks for independence even later (early 19th C.)

And Iran allowed the occupation of the US embassy in 1979, which also constitutes an act of war.

So, I think you may be wrong on that count. Islam has attacked the West many times since the Crusades. Sorry.

Big Dog pt2
If you think Bin laden doesn't "speak for Islam", then why do states support and shelter him?

No state or nation sponsors or shelters the Klan, but Iran funds Hamas and Hezbollah, Afghanistan did fund al Qaida, and Iraq funded "palestinian" suicide bombers.

I think there is a small difference there. And I think Bin Laden and his ilk do speak for Islam. And I think Islam agrees with me, their actions certainly say so.


Thinker
Yes, the past is gone. but it is important to know what came before, so i won't allow Big Dog to rewrite history.

You can say the past doesn't matter, but that perspective allowed the PC crowd to take over our universities, institutionalize white guilt and generally destroy most of our cultural achievements.

We need to make sure we speak up when our history is rewritten to fit the PC mold.

Big Dog
Please prove that it was Bible thumping Christians that caused all those bad things to happen to the American Indian. Andrew Jackson ordered the Civilized Tribe removal to OK. He was hardly a model Christian. However, he was someone who took one of the first steps toward liberalism by increasing federal power.

Sadly what happened to the Indians has happened to groups throughout history. Natives in Britain were replaced and decimated about 1000 years ago. Northern Europe had similar patterns.

Yes. There were many broken agreements. But again, I'd like to see proof that they were broken by Bible believing Christians... and not just greedy people.

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BIG DOG YOU COULDN'T BE MORE WRONG!
Islam IS the REAL state. What we call states, like Saudi Arabia and Iran, Iraq etc. are merely subdivisions. The real power and authority is in the hands of the Mullas and they call the shots.

Islam is so dangerous simply because it uses surrogates like Bin Laden and avoids giving the West a specific target in the form of a "state". In addition, it gives idiots (and other liberals) an excuse to keep their heads in the sand.

If you think that western Europe, Israel and the United States are not under attack, you are living in your own dream world.

Ideals are paramount
We aren't perfect and they aren't perfect so folks like Big Dog try to obscure the difference. That difference is in what we hope to achieve... and in fact are moving toward. Ideals also dictate methods and boundaries.

We go to Iraq and have ROE's that get our guys killed to protect mosques. They have guys who strap on bombs and run into mosques to destroy them. Our ideal: religious tolerance. Their ideal: religious war. Methods: We die to protect and liberate. They die to destroy and subjugate.

cvn65
I hear what you are saying about doing it the right/compassionate way, but these people make it a point to hide and headquarter themselves in mosques, hospitals, schools, etc. We may reach a point where we can no longer fight with one hand tied behind our backs. We're doing it now and it isn't going so well. Moreover, it takes a long time and we rack up more of our own casualties while doing so. The MSM and anti-war crowd meanwhile bleat over how long it is taking and how many are being killed, sapping the national will.

However, I fear that there is a significant portion of our populace that will never come to the realization that we are in a war we have to win and that we may need to do some terrible things to make that happen. Worse, many of these people are driving the train and helping set our agenda.

andrews
your right but I would add one thing. knowing history and reviewing events should provide some guide so that you don't repeat the same mistakes. However in light of today's ME I don't know of any relevant past historical event. To me what makes the ME far scarier than the Nazis is that the screwball notion of killing your enemy to get to your sexual paradise is so prevalent. Armies can defeat armies, ideologies are another matter. Perhaps the ME will wake up when we level their cherished sites and turn there cities into parking lots. They continually tell us they will destroy the west. One day the bombs will fall and those oil sheiks will have a greater shocked look on their faces than Nifong will have aftger his first prison shower

Amazing
So many posters on the left are actually defending Muslim radicals. Why?

So, leftists, how many Christians have beheaded prisoners? How many Muslims have targeted and killed civilian women and children in the name of Mohammad and Allah?

Seems to me you lefties are backing the wrong team.

The only question is: WHY? Why do Americans support the Muslims and denigrate Christian Americans?


Wildwest
There is one thing that makes the middle east open to a solution. Yes, there are fanatics willing to die for their cause, but not everyone is a fanatic.

We need to rethink our policy and institute a very old concept, collective guilt. Rather than try to punish suicide bombers, we need to punish villages and towns. The suicidal fanatics don't care about punishment. But, their neighbors may not be so willing to die.

If we say "Whenever someone from a village kills one of us, we kill 1 in 10 form that village" the locals may start to take action on their own against the fanatics in their midst. At the very least it will reduce the number of safe havens the fanatics will have available.

In addition, some fanatics may be willing to blow up themselves, but not to see their wives and children killed. So that may act as a deterrent as well.

Yes, it is harsh, cruel and unfair. But so is war. It is time to give up ideas of fighting a kinder gentler war and think realistically about how best to pacify a population containing a small but significant percentage of hostile fanatics.

I fully expect to be roundly berated for proposing this, so please begin.

he left and muslims
imply stated the left sees another victim group. In their twisted minds the president is the enemy so the muslims must be the good guy. When airheads like Rosie defend the blood-cult it defies all logic. Her sexual preferences and her love of critisizing the government would guarantee and early and painful death from those she choses to champion. It will take more horrific events here in the USA before the Pelosi's and Reid"s and their ilk wake up to reality. Reid represents america's sin city, Las vegas. How will he justify his aid and comfort to the muslims should they try and destroy that symbol

One thought
I know some will object that my idea will alienate the populace, and for a time it will. However, my theory is it is better to be alive and feared than remembered fondly. In addition, there is no reason to think this policy will result in permanent hostility. The Romans treated the Gauls even more harshly, yet Gaul became one of the most thoroughly Romanized provinces, so there is no reason to think harsh treatment after warfare results in a permanent hatred.

andrews
you are right. Wars are stopped when the cost of continuing is too high to be paid by one side or the other. I have maintained that Israel's mistakes with homicide bombers was their response. Omar straps on a bomb and blows up a market with resulting casualties. Israel finds Omar's family, wipes out everbody, ma, pa, aunt uncle, the canary the hamster and leaves a crater where the hovel once stood. The family sees the incentive to stopping Omar. The problem, the paestian's are so dumb and brainwashed that this would probably require hundreds if not thousands of lessons before the message sinks in. For the ME in general I wouldn't wait for further atrocitiers. We publish a list of target specific sites. Heading the list are the weacko mullahs, the oil sheiks, the palaces, mecca, medina and any other high value site. Knowing the price for continued aggression might slow them down, they however are too far gone to heed the warning and will need a few calling cards delivered via cruise missle message service. Call me cold, call me callous, call me hateful but war is not a contact sport. This is serious business and we have the technology and equipment to finish anything this blood-cult wishes to start.

Al Davis'
Philosophy should be our philosophy with regard to terrorism and war in general... "Just win baby".

LOL!
I am laughing at the liberal comments on this board. I see people buy into the liberal re-writing of history of the American Indian. Let me tell you Christianity had very little to do with it. Tribalism is the reason the Indian failed. Only the ignorant brand Christianity as bad without seeing the good. It's like throwing out the baby with the bathwater. So if your kid makes a mistake do you kill them? The worst ignorance though is taking the same rules applied to Christianity and not applying them to Islam which is the new fascism. That tells me there are some libtards that lack critical thinking skills therefore they lack intelligence. You don't necessarily need to know philosophy or history to be able to apply some common sense and consistency. As usual there is no consistency and there's the rub.

Yet another outburst
Yet another outburst from a group of believers in Islam whose ignorance, religious intolerance, hate and hypocrisy never cease to stun me. These people are menace.

Wildwest
I proposed something similar before:

For every Islamic nation make a list of 10 or so of their biggest cities. Then draw up a list of our top 100 terrorist targets.

Tell them that next time a terrorist harms a US citizen, anywhere in the world, we nuke every city on that list.

The one thing they can do is turn over the targets on the list. For every target a nation turns in, we take one of their cities off the list for a year. And we add a new terrorist to our list of 100.

Again, not fair, but it sure would give many nations an incentive to stop terrorism that they don't have now. And, really, could it make Syria or Lybia hate us more than they do now? And,a s far as Islamic "allies" go, we saw how good an ally Turkey was at the start of this war, same with Saudi Arabia. So, maybe we shouldn't worry so much about upsetting them either.

M.A.D.
Basically, we can't have a M.A.D. policy with terrorist groups, but we certainly can with those states that either sponsor, shelter or just turn a blind eye to terrorists within their midst.

And, I am sure, some nutjob will bring up Tim McVeigh and accuse the US of terrorism, but I would ask a question in return:

Until PC overtook us late in the 90's, who was the stereotypical terrorist in every movie and on every television show? Why?

No, it was not prejudice that made all terrorists moslems in pop culture. It was because when terrorists struck in the US or against the US, it was almost certain the terrorist was a moslem. Yes, there were rare exceptions, but I challenge those who trot out McVeigh and Rudolph to name 20 non-moslem terrorists in the past decade. I can easily name ten times that many moslem terrorists.

LoLo
With their Stupidity, Cowardice and Self Loathing, Liberals certainly are an entertaining lot. Muslims with their Hypocrisy are even more so. Maybe if we marry off the 72 virgins, it will take some of the luster off of being a suicide bomber. By my count, that is 1 virgin for each of Ron Paul's Supporters :)!

andrews
you're right but I would add. Wars are to be won. If life isn't fair there is no reason war would be. You fight to win, inflict more casualties on your enemy and keep your losses to a minimum. This blood cult may breed like rats but sooner or later those willing to wear the bomb vest will run out. It's eay to attack our soldiers under current rules of engagement. Cruise missles aren't deterred by a black mask and a head scarf.

A profile of Ijaz ul-Haq
(1) son of "butcher of Comilla" Gen. Zia ul-Haq who brutally misruled Pakistan from siezing power (through coup, followed by judicial murder of deposed, Z.A. Bhutto) in 1977 till being murdered (not judicially) in 1988 by his own Army vice Chief of Staff Aslam Beg.
(2) In 1983, in Rawalpindi, he drove a Benz while inebriated (alcohol is forbidden in Islam) and wrapped it around a laurel (tree, not a Nisan car). His dad ensured that he would never be prosecuted, and hushed it--only to have it revealed to a wide audience when Nusrat Bhutto was allowed to seek lung cancer treatment abroad in 1985.

Notice that Pakistan's Religious Affairs Minister is a thug who cannot even follow the laws of his own religion--which makes any comments by him hypocritical!

By the Sword
Westerners tend to forget that what is now the Middle East and North Africa were largely Christian (either Catholic or Orthodox) at the time of Mohammed's rise in the 7th Century.

Islamic armies "converted" the area during the 8th and 9th Centuries at the point of the sword. They pushed up into Spain,and made incursions as far as Switzerland and Poland. What made the Pope call for the initial Crusade was not only the request of the Byzantine Emperor, but an Islamic raid that almost reached the Vatican walls.

In other words, joining together for what became the Crusades were considered self defense for the remaining Christian lands in the 12th Century, nearly three hundred years after the intial attacks on them.

As stated above, the Caliphs of the Great Caliphate pushed the idea of world conversion pretty hard for centuries after the Crusades ended.

The problem that Islamists have had is that the Great Caliphate disintegrated around the 15th Century, breaking up into smaller elements, with no one speaking for the theocracy as a whole. It was primarily a problem with communications and keeping an eye on troublemakers, the usual.


The Ottomans were the last vestige of the Islamic Empire and they chose the wrong side during World War I.

The dream of Osama bin Laden is to recreate the Great Cailpate of the 13th Century when Islam was at the height of it's power. This is what he has stated.

Kind of like Hitler, you got to take the guy at his word.

If he can restore the Great Caliphate then Islam will finally have a centralized leader.

Take a look at the map. Islam is almost there.

Big Dog ignored the current spread of Islam by the sword and bomb in Africa and South East Asia. For instance, Darfur and Thailand.

Currently only a couple of minor glitches in the restoration plan.

First Israel.

Second, the capital of the Great Caliphate was in a small backwater town in the middle of nowhere, called Baghdad and there are currently few American soldiers cluttering up the place.

I would guess that is why Al Queda types, from all over the world, seem to think it is so important to flock there to die rather than say San Francisco or Chicago.

Hey, if 9/11 gave Osama street cred and volunteers, think what an Al Queda Baghdad will do.


Nothing More Telling
There is nothing more scornful toward the religion of an individual than in how that person misbehaves when confronted with opposing points of view.

I truly know very little about Islam. I have come to view it as a violent, hate-filled religion of absolutely no redeeming value based solely upon the rhetoric and the actions taken by those who follow Islam. What other religion in this world is so filled with hatred, violence, intolerance or shame? Today I regard it solely with scorn. The hypocrisy of those Muslims who blaspheme religions but rebel with fanatic intolerance toward those who blaspheme theirs is beyond comprehension.

I did not always believe this. Had someone asked me in my youth what I believed about Islam, I would have regarded it as favorably as any of the other world religions. My current attitude has been formed by the radicals who place bounties on the heads of those who speak scornfully about Islam, who kill to avenge someone who has denounced the religion or who has regarded it to be their duty to perform an honor killing of their own children if they should violate one of the religion's commandments. Moreover, I regard it scornfully because of those that use terror tactics to kill those they regard as their enemy. Why should anyone look to Islam as anything but a violent, masochistic and intolerant cult?

There may be 1.5 billion Muslims in the world but this is obviously 1.5 billion too many. I don't mean they should die. I mean they should reform and stop following an uncivilized, savage doctrine that fills them with hate or that causes them to murder in the name of Allah.

CVN65 8:40AM
CVN, I completely disagree with your comment that General LeMay's firebombing of Japan is not the US way. Because we were willing and able to wage all-out war, we were able to defeat an enemy who would've never given up without being killed. Seeing their children and wives killed in such a savage manner destroyed their spirit and will to keep on fighting. Since we no longer have the courage to engage in all-out war, we have not been able to decisively win another war since WWII. This is true for the war you were in (Vietnam? as per your posting name).

Only by regaining the resolve to fight to win can we ever defeat a bunch of lunatics like these Islamists.

Double Standards
Why do I have the feeling that if I were to suggest a pre-emptive, unannounced, and brutally destructive air assault on every Islamic nation in this world that I would be labled a racist and a bigot? Yet the people who follow this religion of peace and love can threaten us (the "West" and the Zionists) all they want, simply because we believe differently than them. Dont even think about drawing a picture of Mo with a bomb in his turbin. If I were to suggest this measure of self preservation, I would only be suggesting the killing of 1.5 billion people, while preserving 4.5 billion other lives. That seems a lot better to me than 1.5 billion people killing 4.5 billion people. Just take them out.

PV
Two points.
1. Even after the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, there were Japanese officers who still wished to fight on. These officers attempted to prevent the airing of the recording of Hirohito's telling Japanese to lay down their arms and surrender. The Japanese would then fight to the death aftre the US invasion. Fanatics will not surrender, even when facing death and destruction.
2. CVN65 is the hull number of the USS Enterprise.

Satanic Verses
The facts are the great prophet(loser) tried to appease pagan members of his family and tribe by allowing them to pray to Allah's(read al-ilah, god of the moon) daughters(remember he has no son, just daughters) Al-lat, Al-Uzza & Manat.Quoting now from Dr Robert Morey in "The Islamic Invasion"(1992). [This led to the famous "satanic verses" in which Muhammad in a moment of weakness & supposedly under the inspiration of Satan succumbed to the temptation to appease the pagan mobs in Mecca (sura 53:19)...When his disciples heard of his fall into polytheism, they rushed to him with rebukes and counsel. He would later claim that Gabriel himself came down from heaven and rebuked him for allowing Satan to inspire him. He then reverted back to his monotheism and stated the Allah can "abrogate", that is, cancel a past revelation.] How convenient! These verses were conveniently abrogated from the Koran. That's like saying 'Yeah, O.K., wait, no,no, I changed my mind'. There is no absolute truth here just a make-it-up-as-I-go kind of philosophy. It's laughable.

For Conservative Ron
You write "I truly know very little about Islam. I have come to view it as a violent, hate-filled religion of absolutely no redeeming value based solely upon the rhetoric and the actions taken by those who follow Islam".

Well, your view is on-the-nail the first time--it is indeed violent, hate-filled and unredeemable. Indeed, the hate even extends within Islam--as more Muslims have been killed since 1066** by other Muslims than have been killed by all other religions combined.

**Only because it was an "easy" date to remember (major event of that year, Battle of Hastings).

TH Regulars Tell It Like IT IS!!!
here's a list of quotes from the TH faithful telling it like it is in what they think about
Islam and how they would deal with it:

ENJOY!!!

"I wish I had the forum to insult Islam in a bigger way than places like this."

"The thought that 1/4 the world's population subscribes to this nutty religion is scary to the max. Even if only 1% are terrorism minded, that is still a lot of them. Are their THAT many virgins in paradise? If I actually believed in a version of Allah, I wouldn't spit on their particular version of him if he was on fire. So there, put me on your hit list you crazies."

"Let us make them perfectly aware of our displeasure and as someone mentioned above "beat the living stew out of them" with the best and most effectcive MOABs we have on hand; rain down hellfire missiles and blast them into the next world. "You want suicide? I'll show you suicide! Suicide is throwing your little toy bombs at people who have GROWN UP bombs."

"Just as one does with a schoolyard bully, the answer is that one shows oneself to be the biggest SOB in the valley and do such an unmistakeable job that even these people can't mistake your meaning. Then, as we did in Europe, go in and mop up and work with anybody who is left, to straighten their thinking out."

"I like your thinking. Rain it down on them from above. Turn that sand into the biggest glass bowl ever. A lovely thought."

"I suggest that we insult them often and with vigor. I have been told that I own my own emotions and I am responsible for them. I think that Islamers own their own emotions as well. No need to bomb them, but everytime they come up to bat, just throw right at the Islamer's head and if you hit him, just yell at him to get his sorry butt to first base, and shut up."

"I don't like their religion. To me it's a bunch of desert fried B.S. Plus, they don't tell me how to pray. That was taken care of a long time ago, even before Mohammed became the L. Ron Hubbard of the 7th century."

"BOMB THEM WITH TRUTH AND DERISION
Islam is totally dependent on lies, ridiculous fantasies, intimidation and violence in order to exist and grow. We can fight it by not giving in to threats and intimidation and exposing it for what it is, a loony-tunes fabric of lies!"

"I would like to hear a psychologist's analysis of the "Islamic problem". Do they have small penises? Are there a disproportionate number of individuals with questionable gender identity problems in Islam, and is that why they are so willing to blow themselves up, to avoid persecution for being an abomination under Islamic faith

"If we say "Whenever someone from a village kills one of us, we kill 1 in 10 form that village" the locals may start to take action on their own against the fanatics in their midst. At the very least it will reduce the number of safe havens the fanatics will have available."

"For every Islamic nation make a list of 10 or so of their biggest cities. Then draw up a list of our top 100 terrorist targets. Tell them that next time a terrorist harms a US citizen, anywhere in the world, we nuke every city on that list. The one thing they can do is turn over the targets on the list. For every target a nation turns in, we take one of their cities off the list for a year. And we add a new terrorist to our list of 100."

"Cruise missles aren't deterred by a black mask and a head scarf."

IMHO these comments are some truly "sick" sh*t coming from the extreme right wing lunatics in TH. They are no better than the people/religion they criticize. in fact they are a LOT ALIKE.


















incitement
But none of these "sensitive" Muslims have a word to say about children's TV programming in Muslim countries that teaches kids that Jews are apes and pigs and should be hated and killed.

MyKef2 says:
"Second, the capital of the Great Caliphate was in a small backwater town in the middle of nowhere, called Baghdad and there are currently few American soldiers cluttering up the place."

Pure fantasy and absurdity. How can you speak with folks who create the history to fit their twisted vision?
Saddam was a secularist - in fact, our idiot leader invaded the one country in the ME that actually opposed radical Islam - unlike our "allies" (according to the Idiot in Chief) Pakistan and Saudi Arabia - as well as Iran - that embrace it.

Moron!

MyKef2 says:
"The dream of Osama bin Laden is to recreate the Great Cailpate of the 13th Century when Islam was at the height of it's power. This is what he has stated.

Kind of like Hitler, you got to take the guy at his word. "

Except, of course, he has no armies, no navy, no weapons, no airforce and no country to lead - much more akin to some nutjob screaming on the corner - but don't let your fear stop you from spewing...

"If he can restore the Great Caliphate then Islam will finally have a centralized leader.

Take a look at the map. Islam is almost there.

Big Dog ignored the current spread of Islam by the sword and bomb in Africa and South East Asia. For instance, Darfur and Thailand."

I didn't ignore anything. Darfur is a threat? You think all those emaciated Africans are gonna knock down your door? And Thailand? According to Wiki Muslims make up less than 5 percent of the population. So what's the score so far?

Europe, China, America, japan and Russia against bin Laden - and you're scared. Poor baby...

Big Dog: check out the list.
of comments coming from these right wing lunatics in TH today..what's IRONIC is these people have the audacity/nerve to call people who practice Islam as criminally insane and psychotic. If you ask me it's a case of the pot
calling the kettle black..lol

BrianR & Lestat
You both may be on to something. As much as I hate to see this happen that may have to be the only solution to reducing the volatile climate.
One vet to another

Left Angle says:
"of comments coming from these right wing lunatics in TH today..what's IRONIC is these people have the audacity/nerve to call people who practice Islam as criminally insane and psychotic. "

They're idiots.

No Muslim nations have used atomic weapons or built a massive nuclear arsenal - but the right-wingers are SURE Muslims want to use them on us.

Which country has invaded and attacked the other? of course it was US who invaded them - but they're SURE Muslims want to invade us.

Bin laden has no army, no navy, no airforce, no country to back him, but the right-wing nutjobs are so scared of him, they talk about nuking over a billion people - and then point fingers at Muslims and call them blood thirsty...

What idiots!


Great article by Ms. Malkin
All I have to say is, what more could one ask for in a political and social commentator, smart, articulate, insightful, savvy, and a real hottie on top of it all.

Look at what the liberals get for spokesman, Rosie O'Donnell, Roseannne Barr, Michael Moore,... etc.

What a hoot.

Michelle, we love you, please keep up the good fight.


There is a big similarity between
Radical Islamic thugs and our american liberals.

Radical Islam, any blasphemy against orthodox Islam is a hate crime, that is punishable by harsh sanctions, up to and including death.

American Liberals, any criticism of the tenets of orthodox liberalism, (homosexuality, abortion, global warming, affirmative action), call for punishment under vague hate crime definitions. (A lot of liberal commentators have called for death sentences for Bush, Cheny, limbaugh, Robertson, Rumsfield, etc.)

When Muslims get offended, they will riot, burn things down, kill people, and generally throw a big tantrum.

When Liberals get offended, they will riot, burn things down, kill people, and generally throw a big tantrum. (Watts, San Francisco, LA, etc.)

It is no wonder that they find kinship with each other.

Muslim Outrage
Today I had just the worse case of diarrhea-- you know, the wet smelly kind that is really putrid. Having run out of toilet paper I grabbed a Koran, ripped out the pages and used them to wipe my butt. Surprisingly the page with the picture of Mohammed did the best job of cleaning my dirty, hairy American butt. Then I went out and bought fifty copies of "The Satanic Verses" to give as presents to all my friends. What a great day!

Containment?
andrews writes: "I say we give up, accept that Islamic hatred for the West is a given, and move on from there. Why waste time (as the State Dept does) trying to appease people who hate us no matter what we do?"

OIL, BABY!

We cannot simply "move on from there" because the West is increasingly dependent on oil from the Middle East Muslim oil states. And Saudi Arabia has been insistent that the Israel-Palestine "peace process" (such as it is) not be neglected. Further, when Bush attempted to use the term "Islamic fascists" to describe our Islamist enemies, it was Saudi Arabia who complained and got him to retract it.

A containment policy of the Muslim Middle East is only possible if it's combined with a comprehensive energy policy so the West doesn't have to constantly look over its shoulder at what is happening in the Middle East oil fields. And the U.S. has been very late to adopt a comprehensive energy policy. It wasn't even a major thrust of Bush's War on Terror until last year.

Ron Paul and the Barbary Wars
gentlemanscholar writes: "This proves Ron Paul's point. The attack on 9/11 was provoked by American interventionist foreign policy. The current Muslim rant in the streets was provoked by Queen Elizabeth's misguided knighting of Rushdie. All we have to do is stop provoking the Muslims and they will leave us alone. Yeah, right, that will work."

When Ron Paul made his asinine statements at the GOP debate, I was instantly reminded of the Barbary Wars.

Since Ron Paul prides himself on being an Originalist and supporting the Constitution as our Founding Fathers believed in it, I wonder if he knows what the ambassador of Tripoli told Thomas Jefferson, way back then in 1786:

"The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet (Mohammed), that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman (or Muslim) who should be slain in battle was sure to go to heaven."

We are wrong to offend!
The key point that all of the posters are missing is that the Muslims have let it be known that certain actions have "offended" them. Once a recognized group has stated that an activity offends them, that is a clear signal for the rest of us to amend our ways so as to live in a manner that is no longer offensive.

Offending others is the biggest crime that a person can commit. Hence, the offended is justified in slaughtering the offender, because to do so stops a worse crime. It is no different than when a person shoots a rapist engaged in the act.

The best thing we can do is fully adhere to every principle of Islam and live our lives as mandated by the Mullahs. No man should be free to do as they wish so long as the expression of that freedom involves offending somebody else. The Muslims have made it clear that they cannot coexist with the rest of the world, so the only sensible thing for the world to do is adopt the ways of Islam.

Warmed my house
I bought a copy of the Koran a few years ago and took it camping. I sat in the sun, breathing in the good cool mountain air of Colorado and started to read. It is the worst written piece of garbage I have ever laid eyes on. It is worse than the Lawyer's edition headnotes in the United States Supreme Court Reports. The copy lay on the floor of my office at home for some time. Then the winter of 2007 settled upon Colorado and I found a good use for the Koran, it helped to warm my house by burning with the cottonwood logs in my fireplace.

Dr. K

LD hahahaha
I'm sure leftangel and dogpoop will be first inline to become Muslim, sense they have decided to surrender already.

SSGRET: These are the POINTS!!!
Ad BigDog so eloquently puts it:

"No Muslim nations have used atomic weapons or built a massive nuclear arsenal - but the right-wingers are SURE Muslims want to use them on us.

Which country has invaded and attacked the other? of course it was US who invaded them - but they're SURE Muslims want to invade us.

Bin laden has no army, no navy, no airforce, no country to back him, but the right-wing nutjobs are so scared of him, they talk about nuking over a billion people - and then point fingers at Muslims and call them blood thirsty...

What idiots!

AGREED 100% LMAO

Left Angle
You are just too stupid to live. What in the blankity blank blank do you call 9/11 and Afghanistan? Oh that's right Bush did it! Yeah that high IQ will get you far idiot.

LEFT ANGLE
Shut up and wash your feet! Put you turbin back on! Its time for prayer again.

RDYD: I'm all FOR surrendering..
Oh heck yes I'm for surrender:

I'm FOR SURRENDERING the RESPONSIBILITIES of internal security and defending against the insurgency to the IRAQI MILITARY AND POLICE FORCE.

Wasnt it Prez Bush who said (to paraphrase)

"As the Iraqi military and police force STAND UP, THE U.S. MILITARY AND COALITION FORCES WILL STANE DOWN!!"


what the heck happened to that policy?
do you repubs/cons think the Iraqi military and
police force are a bunch of pushovers who wont fight for democracy IN THEIR COUNTRY? why do you have zero faith in them to do so?

finally why is the U.S. spending BILLIONS$$$ TO TRAIN, ARM AND EQUIP THEM IF THATS WHAT YOU THINK?

Insulting Islam
Will my post be flaged if I say, allah, god of hatred and death, aka satan in Judeo-Christian Scripture. Mohammad, liar and madman, not necessarally in that order. Just another prophet of satan. Followers of islam, deceived bloodthirsty haters of all things civilized. Who use murder as a means of spreading their cult of death, aka islam.

There I said it!

To those who say, "Behead all those who insult Islam. Slay those who insult Islam. Butcher those who mock Islam." I say, BRING IT ON! I'am waiting.

PS Re, Shiria Law, where Women are for babies, boys are for pleasure, and goats, aahhh goats, are for ecstasy.

Big Dog said:
"They're idiots.

No Muslim nations have used atomic weapons or built a massive nuclear arsenal - but the right-wingers are SURE Muslims want to use them on us."

There are credible people in the intel business who think Al Qaeda has suitcase bombs purchased on the Russian black market. Why?

Iran wants nukes. Why?

Iraq wanted nukes. Why?

Whether you are too blind to see it or not, they think in terms of "acceptable losses"... and think in terms of millions, not thousands. Innocent people are suffering and dying in Darfur... It is justified if it advances the Islamic State.

But they don't consider them or us or any other resistance against the spread of Islam as "innocents". Our very existence is an offense and threat to their vision of Islamic destiny.

So yes, it takes an "idiot" to not worry about what they would or will do with nukes.

"Which country has invaded and attacked the other? of course it was US who invaded them - but they're SURE Muslims want to invade us."

READ THEIR OWN PROPAGANDA. And they have no intentions of invading (liberating), establishing self-rule with a respect for rights, then backing out. They want to dominate the world and revert to 700 AD Arabia.

"Bin laden has no army, no navy, no airforce, no country to back him, but the right-wing nutjobs are so scared of him, they talk about nuking over a billion people - and then point fingers at Muslims and call them blood thirsty..."

Bin Laden is not alone and to say he has no means of offense is very naive.

BTW, a chihuahua is more "scary" than a collie for a reason. One is alot more likely to bite you for no good reason than the other. The fact that a collie could do alot more damage is irrelevant.

"What idiots!"

Yes. Anyone who ignores the fact that someone has said they wanted to harm us then acted on it then said they want to do it again... is somehow not really serious enough to use any resource at their disposal is probably an abject idiot.

We are over there and specifically putting our troops at risk to avoid hurting innocents. Do you not see the fundamental difference that reflects? We could have already nuked them and haven't.

BTW, I doubt anyone here would seriously propose that we nuke them... at least I hope not.

left angle
if our solutions are so troubling to you why read the posts. Perhaps you think the mad mullahs and wackminimidget are only making threats for local consumption and we need only laugh at his style of humor. Who is planting the bombs in the mosques, schools and markets. Who sets bombs that explode after the first killings so that they can also kill the rescuers. If you want to wrap you arms around these killers and give them a big sloppy kiss, have at it. But it's people like you who give aid and comfort to these killers who want to destroy our way of life. Do you think your sensitivity is going to save you should the killers strike here. Call us any name you want, we want to protect our country and all our citizens. That includes the wimps and cry babies on the left who take offense that we lack their compassion. I would rather be a live defender of America than a dead compassionate enabler of the blood-cult. The sheep are always the first to go.

Left Angle
That policy is still in effect. We must first get them up to the 21st century and that can't be done overnight. Your proof positive of that. Ignoramus.

I'm curious Left angle
What solution would you propose if any? If you are the enlightened one tell us what you would do?

Complaining about what others have done or what you think they would do and just generally complaining is meaningless.

What would be YOUR solution.

The best medicine
Maybe the best medicine against Islam is to laugh at it as it deserves. It is really a monumental joke...a deadly one, but still a joke.

I wonder if she posts here...
This reminded me of the convoluted thinking of our resident lefties:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003751274_redding17m.html

I realize some of you are atheists or other... but even you all should be able to see the logical contradictions on the most basic, foundational beliefs.

But this is what you get when religion and philosophy in general stop being about truth.

Audi
I wholeheartedly agree. But first we need to start drilling like the dickens in Alaska, California, and the Gulf of Mexico. Then we develop the infrastructure necessary to pull oil out of the oil shale and tar sand in UT ( I heard an oiol guy on hannity's show that said there is enough oil in UT to power the US for 50 years). Then - after we stop sending billions to those who want to kill us and cut off the financing for their culture of terror and death - we bomb them into the stone age because that's where they remain mentally anyway. Those who survive will feel right at home. In fact they likely won't notice the difference. I am sooooooo sick of them.

Islam Religon of Peace
The Moslems are offended by Israel occupying part of the middle east, so offended that it justifies murder and destruction of Jews, Christians and even Moslems both those helping the West and even those just going to worship at the local Mosque.

Well we Christians and Westerners are offended as well, we should press for the return of Constantinople. A city with tremendous religious significance, after all who built the Hagia Sophia? Also one which far predated even the invention of Islam. Founded by the Romans, peacably converted to Christianity and a Christian city for 1000 years before being forcefully attacked, plundered, the population put to the sword. So say again why the Israeli's should have to give up the West Bank or the rest of Israel if the Moslem's don't need to return Constantinople???? Just what is their legititamte claim. If the Israelis prevail in Israel proper and on the West Bank for 100 years, 200 years, 300 years does then there claim gain legitimacy? I say we demand the immediate and unconditional return of Constantinople, free the people to return to their Christian roots. Have a great day and God bless.

2 Posters
Loyal Democrat - You are a TREASURE :)!

Left Angle - You are too Gutless to be Stupid!

Behead those who insult Islam
The Islamofacists are far sicker than the Nazi's ever were. They seem to be natural born murderes. What other group sends homicide bombers to markets, discos and buses to kill innocent men, women, and children? Who else would jump from out of a car to machine gun children playing soccer? What other sickos murder their own daughters, wives, and mothers for dishonoring the family by holding hands with a man or wearing westwern clothes?

Bad Faith Idea
Would it be insensetive of the West if Mecca and Medina were bombed with tons of spoiled BBQ pork (maybe Spam too) whenever these followers of "the religion of peace" get to feeling froggy?

ADYD: a response..
my solution?

I totally agree with Brian R who wrote earlier today:

"After casting an appraising eye at events in Iraq lately, I suggest we take a step back, let the Shias and Sunnis battle it out and massacre each other, then step in and mop up the rest. That could be our new global strategy."


thighmaster: the joke is on you dog...
you tellin me you really think the "islamofascist" are gonna conquer and take over the U.S.

yes or no?

Left angle
we are not afraid of the ME killers and know they could never defeat this country. However we also don't want any more 911 or worse to happen to our citizens. Or are you of the belief that 911 wasn't so tragic and like others on fyour side of the political spectrum believe we got what we deserved. Since you are not afraid of these killers can we now accept that you are a muslim convert, wear a robe and towel around your head and have memorized allah akbar.

lolo: tell the truth for once..
what you and people like you on the right actually think of the Iraqi police force and military.

what you really think they are a bunch of cowards and wimps unwilling to do the tough work of FIGHTING and SECURING against the Insurgency.
You really think that if the U.S. leaves they will lay down their arms or join in with forces against the U.S.

yes or no?

Psalm 23
since they have sexual fantasies after killing themselves in the act of killing infidels I suggest emptying all the porno shops and dropping them on their cities. What we do with members of the blood-cult that are killed min battle is wrap them in pig fat and stuff bacon in their mouths, thus making them unclean and unfit to sit along allah

Left angle
You can't be that stupid, can you? Are you also a part of the 35% of the libs who think that 911 was an inside job? Or maybe you are one of those dolts who think that it was U.S. foreign policy that caused 911. Remember this, my misguided and ignorant friend: islam is not, was not, and will never be a religion of peace. Try reading the koran, it will take the edge off of your abject ignorance. The ultimate goal of islam is to take over the world (by the sword) for Allah; and the only thing standing in their way is the power of the U.S., and anybody else in the West who still have balls to tackle this threat to our way of life.

LA
"I'm SooooooScared of Islamofascist..
the idea that a bunch of so called Islamofacist are gonna conquer and take over the most advanced, heavily armed nation in the world is absolutely ridiculous and if you truly believe that you need to have your head examined."

9/11 extended the recession for two years.

If they managed to hit 5 major or even medium sized cities with suitcase nukes, we would probably cease to be a world power and go into an economic depression... or a type of reversal that I'm not sure has a name. We would definitely experience widespread problems and could have millions of casualties from the blasts and aftermath.

You should really put more thought into what would happen. It isn't nearly as farfetched as you think.

For those worried about Mexico, I'm alot more worried about Canada. There are thousands of wilderness roads and trails plus 1000's of miles of unguarded coastline in Canada.

BTW, one guy recently went on record with a belief that terrorists already have suitcase bombs in the US.

"Nah. I dont sit around worrying about the "THREAT" that has you right wingers
sh**ting in your pants. thats's exactly what they want cowards like you to do..btw..have you got your arsenal armed and ready for when the
islamofacsit invade america?"

That's are pretty stupid comment and I seldom use that particular word. If you "wait" til they come here then it will be too late. But I think they'd rather us be out of the way than invade us. Undoubtedly they've been smart enough to do the calculations.

As for soiling our pants, we're being far more rational than the left's fear that Christian fundamentalists are attempting to establish a theocracy... or that Bush is some kind of boogeyman.

You must have a strange definition of coward though. I always thought a coward was someone who wouldn't stand for principles and ideals of truth even when it cost them something... that just sounds alot more like the anti-war crowd than conservatives.

mmmm....
"and the only thing standing in their way is the power of the U.S., and anybody else in the West who still have balls to tackle this threat to our way of life."

That'd be us and maybe the Brits.

wildwest: a response..
something to think about:

the fbi and cia have already testified before the u.s. congress recently that terrorist
"sleeper cells" ALREADY ARE IN THE U.S. AS WE SPEAK...they say another 9-11-01 attack in the U.S. is inevitable.

so tell me exactly HOW is anthing going on in Iraq is gonna STOP THAT?

ThighMaster
He probably thinks we should wait to see if they're done... then we'll wait to make sure we don't overreact then finally decide if they're done the next time... then the next then the next...

LA in particular seems to come from the Jimmy Carter school of diplomacy... If you can get people to talk long enough they'll eventually come to agreement. The problem is they have no plan B and wouldn't know when to use it if they did. There are no costs or concessions too high.

Wow! and they call us idiots...
"so tell me exactly HOW is anthing going on in Iraq is gonna STOP THAT?"

Basically the same way the Russian effort on the eastern front aided the Normandy invasion or the way the day/night bombing of Germany helped in Italy.

Wars are partly won by expending the enemy's men and materials.

Oh, and btw, Saddam won't be developing or giving any terrorists WMD's.

Left angle stupidly asks: