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Wednesday, January 24, 2007
Michelle Malkin :: Townhall.com Columnist
The Coming Amnesty Disaster
by Michelle Malkin
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Last month, President Bush signed off on a few dog-and-pony illegal immigrant employment raids. Whoop-de-doo. Politically expedient holiday gestures over, the White House is now back to work pushing its long-planned, massive alien amnesty. The state of the borders, green card process and entrance system for visitors and tourists? Porous. Chaotic. Understaffed. And overwhelmed.

But no matter. Mouthing his same old, bogus platitudes about the need to allow "undocumented workers" to do the job Americans won't do (never mind all those Americans who immediately lined up to apply for those meatpacking jobs after the December raids), Bush wants to pile millions of new "guest worker" illegal alien applicants onto the teetering homeland security bureaucracy.

The results will be disastrous. What President Bush didn't mention in the State of the Union address is that every part of the current legal immigrant applicant machinery that would be tasked with implementing the "guest worker" illegal alien amnesty is backlogged and broken.

Last November, congressional investigators reported that the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) had lost track of 111,000 files in 14 of the agency's busiest district offices and processed as many as 30,000 citizenship applications last year without the required files. Poof! I have heard first-hand from adjudicators in Texas and southern California who have piles of files in backrooms that have yet to be read. The application backlog remains in the millions. Sens. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, and Susan Collins, R-Maine, called for a Government Accountability Office review that uncovered at least one case in which an applicant with ties to the terrorist group Hezbollah was granted citizenship without a check of his primary file.

"It only takes one missing file of somebody with links to a terrorist organization to become an American citizen," Grassley, who is chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, noted in The Washington Post. "We can't afford to be handing out citizenship with blinders on."

Or legal status. Multiply that by several million in the case of Bush's guest worker program. Can you spell d-i-s-a-s-t-e-r?

The FBI's background check backlog for legal immigrant applicants stands at a reported 100,000 files, which have been waiting for action for a year or longer. At least they didn't shred them all (uh, as far as we know) -- which is what federal contractors did at the immigration center in Laguna Niguel, Calif., over the last several years. To rid itself of a 90,000-document backlog, supervisors ordered workers to destroy passports, birth certificates, approval notices, change of address forms, diplomas and money orders. Then they reported that they had reduced the backlog to zero. Poof!

Michael Cutler, a veteran of the immigration bureaucracy who worked as a senior special agent at the former INS, says working at the agency is like the comedy scene out of "I Love Lucy" where Ethel and Lucy -- overwhelmed at a candy factory by an out-of-control conveyor belt -- try eating the candy bars and stuffing them down their dresses to stay on top of the flood:

"The situation is reminiscent of what happens to beleaguered adjudicators at the USCIS every day, and it is not the least bit funny. The adjudicators cannot eat the applications, nor can they stuff them down their clothes. In order to get good evaluations, they need to move these applications as quickly as possible. The easiest way to do this is to approve them. Needless to say, this means that fraud-laden applications are often not detected and aliens receive a wide variety of benefits, including United States citizenship to which they would not be entitled if the relevant facts were known. As more aliens get away with committing fraud, the 'word' spreads through the communities and more aliens are emboldened to commit fraud, further eroding any integrity that might have still remained in the process. To make things worse, when an application is denied, the alien is virtually assured that no special agent will be looking for him to seek his removal from the United States."

We are incapable of imposing order and handling the current crush of legal immigrant applicants in a fair and timely way. You want "comprehensive immigration reform"? Start with border control, reliable adjudications, consistent interior enforcement, and efficient and effective deportation policies. And don't pretend that piling on is going to fix a darned thing.

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First a fence and END H1B visas
CLOSE the border with guns, if needed
JAIL employers of illegal aliens
JAIL ALL CRIMINAL ILLEGAL aliens
After a couple of years hiatus
DEPORT any remaining illegal aliens and then
proceed with an ORDERLY and CONTROLLED entry.

Just a thought
Good thought. But, who is going to do it? Obviously not our government.

I read the other day that the minutemen will be shut down soon, declared as an illegal operation.

What Michelle wrote in this column is a disgrace, not to mention the danger we all are in over this problem that should not even be a problem.
It's illegal to just come in here but who cares anymore. Everybody in the world is walking into this country and nobody knows where they are.

This problem is going to go from being a disaster to a catastrophe.

My bet, they will come direct from Iraq
Michelle could be right. The Al Queda's or Hezbolla's could come at us over the Mexican border or even the Canadian border. Our President and the Congress will not address this disaster.

But what I see as more likely is that the left eventually succeeds and we redeploy to areas outside of Bagdad. In other words we surrender a huge area and population of Iraq. Then what is very likely is that the slaughter will appear to really get going. There will then be hundreds of thousands of refugees. The world and the Democratic party will blame the U.S. for this dire situation. The President and the Congress will then assent to the immigration of close to a million new Iraquis.

Of course, we will get the usual empty promises that the new immigrants will be carefully interviewed and vetted. Of course, these promises will be false as usual because we don't have anywhere near the number of qualified translators that we would need to interview the new immigrants. Don't we just know that the new translators will be recruited from the new immigrants? And background checks will be impossible. There likely won't be any records; and if there were records those who control Bagdad won't be giving them to us. Those who control Bagdad, after we leave, will be the men who are going to be smugglint the new terrorists into our country. We can expect thousands.

So when we "redeploy" to the outer precincts, lets not expect the terrorists with there IED's to trickle in and maybe get around to their first road kill in a year or so. It will happen parallel and commensurate with our retreat from the Capitol.

If there is something wrong about this post, please tell me. Put my mind at rest. I am not going to sleep well tonight.




treadmilljoe
Good post and unfortunately I won't be able to put your mind at rest because what you say is very, very possible.

The raids will boost illegal voting
I don't know if illegal voting gave the Congress to the Democrats this time around. I do know that Democrats are very aware that illegals vote and that invariably the votes of illegal immigrants favor the Democrats.

The President can be seen as sincerely trying in the Swift Packing Company raids, but bumbler that he is he's just a dollar short and a day late as usual. I take another view. What raiding just a few companies in a highly publicized fashion does is to tell the illegal immigrants that the easy times are over and it is now time to act.

We have a situation in this Country where counterfeiting money gets you ten years. Counterfeiting Citizenship at the polls doesn't even get you noticed. Name one DA or Attorney General who has prosecuted anyone for illegally voting. So, Swift is simply a warning. Does anyone know if the illegal workers were even deported? If not, they can vote in the next election also. If someone said that President Bush wanted illegal voters to vote in the next election, how many of you reading this would be sure that this was wrong?

Sad but true
Anyone can come into this country anytime they want and do whatever they want.

And no one will stop them.

treadmilljoe
I doubt that the illegals were deported. We can't even get the ones committing worse crimes out of this country. The jails are full of them and ICE won't deport them. In my county the sheriff has so many illegals in the jail he doesn't know what to do with them now. He can't get anyone to deport them.
And, the jail is out of space with them.

The democrats will have all of these illegals to vote for them, like you said, and they could have the biggest landslide in the history of the country.

Personally I've never heard of anyone being prosecuted for illegally voting. Does it even get looked into? I doubt that also. How about the states that don't even require any ID to vote?

Right on Michelle!
However it doesn't matter if records are lost or destroyed on purpose. The integrity of our government is shredded.

While watching the speech as he insisted on "immigration reform." (amnesty for all) And then added that he was going to beef up the the border and the border guards. I thought of the two border guards that he allowed to go to prison under trumped up charges. I said to myself "you lying SOB!" He wants his open borders at any cost! And will do his part to see that it happens! In my eye's he's a traitor!

And now it has come to light that the two guards where convicted under the wrong law! So much for justice!

You can read it here.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53873

Going to go from a disaster?
Illegal aliens invading our borders was a disaster decades ago. Catastrophe already happened, or as the dictionary defines it, "a total failure".

Maybe some of you folks are just seeing it now but it has been a fact of life in southern California for some time. What is the most common thing seen at an intersection in Orange County CA? A pregnant Mexican pushing a baby carriage and being tailed by two more children under 7 years old. [Orange County has been identified as a White, Republican stronghold for more than 20 years]

If you think there are 12 million illegals in the US then you forgot to count the ones not in CA.

President Bush stated we need to deal with the problem with a Guest Worker Program but not Amnesty. That is cr*pola. Both parties want this new flock of voters, legal or not, and will fall over themselves to be known as their Saviors in bringing them into citizenship in the US. Thus insuring their votes for more decades.

"Guest Workers" will have children and these Anchor Babies will insure permanent residency immediately. When the babies turn 18 they are allowed to bring in other family members, like 40 more cousins? It is a Fact that 10% of all births in the US are to an illegal alien. That is in 2006, want to bet on 12-15% in 2007?

With few exceptions our elected officials put their power and their Party before all other concerns. The oath of office has become a joke and more government is all that matters to them.

The single biggest mistake our Founders made was to not write Term Limits and a Part-Time Legislature into the Constitution.

Will the Americans EVER stand up and force a halt, a reversal, to this American cultural dispersal?

Not with the folks in charge now.












Border agents
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53873

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53897

More on the border agents convicted over shooting the drug smuggler. It will make you really mad. It seemed appropriate considering this topic.

Ha, Peppermint
Seems we think the same. :-)

The Dhimmicrats love illegals...
...because they bribe them with welfare and all the "free" stuff that our Government gives them that they can't get in the sh*thole countries that they come from.

The Dems benefit from countless thousands of illegals voting for them in every election, so they are happy with Dumbya's open borders policy. And God help any "racist" who demands that people actually produce Id at the voting booth.

Goshawk and Marc
Sorry, I was posting and didn't see that you already had the link up about the border guards.

Marc,
No since I don't live in CA I was not aware that this problem was so out of hand as early as you.
I hope everyone is signing those petitions at numbersusa and grassfire.org

What else can we do?

Goshawk
Yeah, our minds are going in the same direction.
I could have spit bullets tonight when Bush said "guest worker" but no amnesty. It sounds like amnesty to me.

AlfTupper
Good thought. I was thinking that the other day in the grocery store. I was standing behind some illegals who were using food stamps to pay for their food.
In fact I've stood behind lots of immigrants of differing nationalities who were using their food stamps.
Another thought I had tonight about Bush's speech was his insistence we wipe out AIDS in Africa.
Great. Now, what does that have to do with the state of "our" union?
I notice the dems were applauding heftily during that revelation and that we would help out Darfur.
Apparently those things are of great interest while we sit here being invaded and the jackazzes don't uphold their only useful purpose which is to keep us from invasion.
I'd like to know how the whole lot of them, including our president don't know what is in the Constitution.

Pepperment
I see nothing but disaster headed for our country. I couldn't tell you how many petitions I've signed, letters and Fax's I've sent. The American citizen is being ignored.

What else can you do?
Call you Represenative and tell them you are "mad as Hell". If they vote for compromise, you will be watching.

And that is the last vote they or their Party will ever get from you.

You see they have relied on the votes of the "lessor of two evils" to convince you their vote was at least closer to what you want. And they never have to fill the promise, just be less evil than the other choice. Compromise is giving the enemy some of what they want at no expense to the enemy.

Look, I don't like this either. I just don't know what else will bring a change until the loser gets the message. Only that will bring about a change in them, or better yet a new candidate who believes as you do, believes deeply.

America is disappearing already so what is left to lose? My biggest fear is that the tipping point has already passed. Heck, I don't hate Mexicans, I just love my America and I see it's culture being rotted away. And with it goes the future of our children.









Internment camps
The ironic thing about what she is advocating is that 5% of the Phillipine population is Muslim. Perhaps Michelle will be first in line to enter the camps and give up her wealth to make sure the terrorists aren't in our midst? If it was good enough for the Japanese it should be good enough for her.

Follow her hotair site and you will see poster after poster waxing poetic about how the illegals should just be shot.


Why on earth are you STILL complaining
about Bush? You knew how he felt about illegal immigration in the 6 years since 9/11.

He didn't do what YOU thought he should do when he was running for re-election and had a GOP majority...why do you think he'll listen to you now?

Why should he? He can't run again...he doesn't have a GOP majority...none of the Republicans you might have influenced is sitting on committees that will help him fund the troops, pass tax cuts, or confirm his nominees.

Your immigration issue has zero chance unless Bush pushes for it.

Now tell me why he should support YOUR issues when you don't support his.

And don't give me this song and dance about how he is supposed to be YOUR leader and the leader of YOUR party. Bush isn't "really" a conservative remember?

Which means YOU GOT NOBODY to turn to.



Marc and Goshawk
I've done what you said, called and called, faxed and written. No one answers. No one is listening.

Goshawk,
Yes, it looks like disaster to me too for the country. You're right. We're just being ignored.
We don't matter, that's the bottom line.

Pepperment
And you notice the ignorant Liberals posting can do nothing but attack Michelle. Kind of reminds me of 'Nero Fiddled While Rome Burned.' I think the only thing that will wake up a Libat is a nuke going off in their town. Then, if they're still alive, will blame everyone for not protecting them.

Goshawk
the truth hurts but if you really mean it about the terrorists and buy the solutions outlined in her book then my point is absolutely relevant. She attacked US citizens who received the medal of honor in her launch to fame over her first book. In fact the premises of the book turned out to be untrue. but hey she got rich and noticed - that's what matters.

You "Non-liberals" are so doggone smart - quick what is the solution you offer other than shoot on sight?

No amnesty?
Here's how it will work. Congress will pass an amnesty and attach a small fine, maybe $200, to it. Bush will then be able to say, "See!! No amnesty, we're making them pay for their crime."

Bush is full of more s**t than a Christmas turkey. He won't give up until he sets the Republican party back 40 years.


Goshawk
I sincerely doubt that a nuke going off would even bother them. Hopefully the nukes go off in the blue states. Blame is all they know. And, all they do is cry about their "lost" freedom. I'd like to know just what freedom they've lost. Like maybe receiving a call from a terrorist?
And that one poster suggesting Michelle could be the first to go to an internment camp. What is up with crapola like that? Nasty!

Peppermint
Stop voting for them.

That is the only message they hear without question.

Read history. New leaders emerge all the time. Vote for them and that encourages more to come forward.

Before our country drives itself under completely I believe our military will act. They are driven and totally loyal to the Country. They will not allow the country to fall. They are committed to the Constitution and our original form of government.

It will take a big event or chain of circumstances to have them act. But these men and women blkieve and are sworn to uphold the Constitution. They will not allow it to fail even if they have to breach some of it's rules, however briefly.





Peppermint
"And that one poster suggesting Michelle could be the first to go to an internment camp. What is up with crapola like that? Nasty!"

She supported the internment of U.S. Citizens in WWII and feels it should be considered for muslims now.

What is good for the goose should be good for the gander right? I mean if that is her conviction and she wants to set the right tone she should volunteer due to her her heritage in the PHillipines where 5%` of the population is Muslim.

Yak and peppermint
Yak I'm sure it will be something like that. Some kind of a facade to make it look good.

Peppermint. The Libats have to protect their most important goal. Socialism! They only people who believe their "crapola" is another Libat.

moderick hick
Internment camps may be a good idea. Then, we'd at least know where all the terrorists are. Michelle going there though makes no sense since she is not a terrorist, except perhaps in your mind.

Electrified Barbed Wire
and machine guns work every time.

Illegals and trolls
Sometimes I wonder about the sanity of the liberal posters at Townhall. They either have an overwhelming hatred to for all things Republican, for all things conservative, or all things U.S. They are not even in favor of protecting our borders, which is to say that they are in favor of having no borders. If you have no borders then you have no country. So utltimately this would boil down to the liberal trolls are in favor of disbanding the United States. They just haven’t told us what they would like to see in its place (unless these posters are members of La Ra).

The situation with the border has degenerated to such a sorry mess that it is incredible that the polititians can continue to ignore it and the overwhelming calls from the people to do something. The local police are being overrun by armed drug dealers and in some cases the Mexican Army. The National Guard is overrun by armed drug dealers because the guard is essentially unarmed (no bullets for you Barney), This is ludicrous. We are told that the government will not dispatch armed guardsmen because they are worried about the Posse Comitatus Act. Anyone who can read English would know that this is patently absurd. This act was written to prevent using Federal armed forces (originally the army) from acting as policemen against U.S. citizens inside the country. To think that the armed forces can not be used to protect out borders is insanity. This is the purpose of the armed forces!

Given all of the above, there is still a lot of myths that have been created by people who oppose illegal immigration and it doesn’t help our argument to perpetuate them. First, the Supreme Court has never issued a ruling in support of “anchor babies” in the context of the term currently used. The case that they issued their ruling on involved the child of a LEGAL immigrant who therefore met the test of the 14th amendment for “under control”. What you see with the issue with anchor babies is more a case of lower court interpretations and hospitals not wanting to be drawn into the issue when writing bith certificates. This issue with anchor babies could probably beresolved by creating some cases at a lower level (deny a birth certificate written as a citizen) so that they can be moved up to the supreme copurt. 2nd, illegal aliens should not be eligible for food stamps. This is the actual wording of the requirement of the program.
____________________________________________

Citizenship and immigrant status -- In general, to be eligible to participate in the
FSP, a person must be a U.S. citizen, a U.S. noncitizen national, a member of an Indian tribe as defined in section 4(e) of the Indian Self Determination and Education Assistance Act (25 U.S.C. § 450b(e)), an American Indian who was born in Canada, or an eligible immigrant as specified under the Act and corresponding regulations. See 7 CFR Part 273.4.

http://www.healthyhelpings.org/FNS%20Instruction113-1.pdf



The End
Some years ago, about the time that Billy-Bob Clinton was debating the meaning of the word "is" on National TV, it struck me that the West and more personally, the United States was on a downward slide, and would have to change course or end up relegated to the dustbin of history.

There have been the appearances of up and down movement since then, but stepping back and looking at the larger picture, one realizes that even with the zigs and zags, the general motion has been in a downward vector. Even realizing this, I remained quite confident that the momentum that we had built up from the World War II era and the Cold War ere would at least carry this nation through my lifetime still partially intact, the ship of state still afloat, though probably listing badly.

I must now admit my disillusionment. Most likely in my lifetime, should I manage to survive a decade or two more, I will have a front row seat to one of the greatest train wrecks in history. All of us here today, we will all most likely get to experience the implosion of our Nation.

May you live in interesting times.

What's The Use?
I just spent the time to read all these posts. What a lot of handwringing and BS, as if pointing out the problems is solving it in any way. No wonder the Democrats won the Congress this past November. As bad as they are, what passes for discussion by so-called conservatives on this post is sickening. Has anyone heard of the little red hen? Chicken little said the sky was falling but the little red hen planted her seeds, raised her wheat, baked her bread and somehow survived. I don't see many little red hens out there in conservative land, just a lot of chicken littles. Come on, people, the sky is not falling.

The disaster
Everyone with any eyes can see it coming and yet who's really willing to do anything about it. Sure the minutemen did their part - mostly retirees who were restricted to little more than watching the open crossing spaces. But they did draw some attention and document the porousness of the border.

But who will disrupt their lives to deal with this situation? Who's about to jeopardize their jobs or their property to deal with what will eventually jeopardize it all. Many if not most have already been disenfranchised because some illegal has cancelled their vote. The trend is already in favor of massive property and rights transfers in the illegals favor.

When are we going to realized that there's a war going on, not only in Iraq, but right here. When the frog has already been boiled?

The Minutemen Want YOU!!!
Okay....here is what you can do...volunteer to be trained as a minuteman...Swear, it will ease you border woes. Won't solve it,but at least you would know that you played a part. Non-violent, well organized. JUST DO IT!!!

http://www.minutemanproject.com/

Follow the money
Illegal immigration (keyword: illegal) will be a problem as long as it is profitable to come into this country illegally and as along as it is profitable to hire illegals. So here is the solution. Put every employer on notice that they will be required to hire only legal immigrants or (heaven forfend!) U.S. citizens. If, at any time, it is discovered that they have hired an illegal their business will be confiscated and all assets sold at absolute auction with the proceeds going to the government. Trust me, all the whining about not being able to detect who is legal and who is not will end because, having hired any number of folks, I can tell you it is not very difficult to determine legality - it requires a little diligence. At that point the reason for "breaking into" this country ends. Legal immigration can continue but with the seemingly endless flow of illegals stemmed, our over-worked immigration services will have a little more time to do their job with legal applicants. The private sector currently enjoys what amounts to a huge welfare check from the government by allowing the tide of illegal immigrants to come here and work cheap. Make them pay for the enforcement and put their business at risk and their diligence will be astonishing to watch.

I think its too late
uwcharlie: No Chicken Littles here - I think they are all Red Hens stating the obvious! As in, "it is obvious to the most casual observer" that the United States Government is incapable of solving the illegal immigration problem. Every arm of government is infected with sever macular degeneration so severe as to be totally blind to the problem. Wait, maybe they are more like ostriches -- they have there head in the sand or up their rear (take your choice) and are infected with altruism beyond the point of rationality. Or is it that those in power lust to keep their power that they will do anything (or NOT do anything) to keep their power and actually don't give a dam* about our nation's long term survival. Or some combination of all of the above. I have written my legislators and get non-committal responses that are so full of babble and bull that they have no meaning. If I sound hopelessly disillusioned, I am, but I believe that I have absolute and factual reasons to believe that we are seeing the beginning of the end of our nation and society. I see not ONE leader with guts and courage all I see are party sheep who are following the collective to the demise of the nation. Worst of all WE let this happen! We voted the do-nothings in time after time. We evidently want socialism and fascism over a democratic republic and a free market economy. We want to be taken care of from birth to death. We are no longer risk takers - we want to be in our own comfortable little womb safe from the consequences of our decisions and actions regardless of how irresponsible they may be. We want what others have have but with out the sacrifice, work and effort the others put in to earn those things. If we can't get them by our own feeble efforts and are unwilling to take risks -- why we will just get the government to take what we want by force and distribute them to us. After all we have NEEDS that must be met somehow. So our government has become Robin Hood and we have accepted what Karl Marx stated "From each according to his ability, to each according to his NEED." Needs have become wants in disguise and so Robin Hood prevails.

We have been the frog in the slowly warming pot of water so long that we are about to be cooked and most of us are not even close to being aware of it. We are even turning up the heat that will eventually cook us all. Its near the boiling point now! Nope, no Chicken Littles here just Red Hens with little hope!

You cannot allow
your country to be flooded with uneducated people who breed like flies and who are loyal to either their homeland or their religion.
This country is great because we have a Constitution that reveres individuals over the state. When those who cannot or will not contribute, but instead rely on the state to house and feed them, the country suffers, the producers of wealth suffer and the hard work and sacrifice of prior generations is wasted.

This country started down the wrong path in the 60's with LBJ and his socialism, couple that with PC where one can now be fired for telling a joke that might "offend" some limpwrist,minority or feminazi and all the rest of us become good for is paying the bills.

The country we know and love is done, there is no way to unbreak an egg and it is too late short of a military coup to put it back like it was. Thanks to the liberals who may very well watch their kids die because of their stupidity, but by God they'll feel good about themselves.

Mountain Rose
Throw in a few hundred thousand surplus land mines and I think we'll be in business.

'Course it would also help if states weren't encouraging illegals to get drivers licenses, apply for welfare, use health care services, and vote (the latter of which even LEGAL immigrants aren't supposed to be allowed to do.)

What they ought to do is get Maricopa County, AZ sherrif Joe Arpaio to oversee an illegal immigrant detention center somewhere in the middle of the desert, preferably near the border. Give it living quarters, a chow hall, an air strip and a court room. Maybe throw in a Mexican consulate, just for good measure. Any illegal caught ought to be shipped there, processed, tried for violation of imigration laws and any other laws they may have broken. If they are only guilty of Imigration fraud, they get flown to Cancun (on the tip of the Yucatan Penninsula) or Acapulco (on the southwest coast of the country.

Second and subsequent offenses should be punished harshly, perhaps by many years in a maximum-security wing of my proposed complex.

Well, I'm entitled to hope, aren't I?

Something Else We Can Do
Write or email Tom Tancredo and urge him to run for President. I am not sure whether or not he could win (though I think its possible), but he most definitely will make certain that the issue of illegals and amnesty is an issue front and center in the campaign. You can bet that McCain, Giuliani, Brownback, and the others wish that this issue splitting the Republicans between the blue blood, fat cats, party leadership group on one side and the conservative base on the other side would like for this issue to just go away. Tancredo would make sure that this couldn't happen.

Perhaps if an amnesty has not been signed by the time the election goes into full swing, Tancredo's presence and newsmaking will help to build a coalition in the House that might block this amnesty from going through. That's a lot to hope for, but in my opinion, it's the best we have right now.

Tancredo in '08

Peppermint's Rantings
Peppermint said
"Internment camps may be a good idea. Then, we'd at least know where all the terrorists are. Michelle going there though makes no sense since she is not a terrorist, except perhaps in your mind."

Her parents grew up in the Phillipines, came to the US and she was born here. Most of the 120,000 Japanese interned in WW2 were in exactly the same situation. They had their freedom and possessions taken by this government. The reason: there might be a spy or three in all those people.

fast forward 65 years and you have a concern for terrorists - 5% of the Phillipine population are muslim. Since the extreme right assumes muslim=terrorist then we MUST lock up all people of Phillipine background just to be sure. That is Malkin's logic, not mine - only difference is she would never apply it to her own background.
I know it is difficult for most of the "Malkinettes" to pick up a book or read something more complicated than a political blog and you will see that your calls for violence against illegals, vaporizing muslim countries, etc. are nothing like the ideals our founders had in mind but rather those of the Nazis.
And before you start your next round of name calling consider this: statements such as all liberals are traitors, bush sold out the country, all democrats are (fill in the blank) are irresponsible,factually incorrect, and juvenile. If you believe they are okay then statements such as "all(fill in the blank) are terrorists and should be locked up" should make you happy but you have to be willing to lock up the innocents as well - hence Malkin.


Call me a troll but you cannot debate me on point - only call names which almost always means the one being called a name is right, or the one calling the names is hopelessly ignorant.

backlog of illegals
Sometimes it is better to start over and properly staff. Burn down the existing building files and all. Accept only applications that arrive from outside the United States. Issue NEW ID cards to those "guest workers" and have every American Citizen carry their US Passport that can ONLY be issued with a Birth Certificate; Not a Drivers License!!!! Then when you are asked for "papers" reminicent of Europe during the war....You can start deporting those who don't belong here. Also, birth on US soil does not = citizenship, Retro to 1986 when Reagans amnesty was suppose to "solve" the problem. Any one born after 1986 to an "illegal" is NOT considered to be a citizen. Just my opinion

Complacent bureaucracy
"To rid itself of a 90,000-document backlog, supervisors ordered workers to destroy passports, birth certificates, approval notices, change of address forms, diplomas and money orders. Then they reported that they had reduced the backlog to zero. Poof!"

And these fine government employees who “shred rather than process” are as good an indicator we have of the real ‘state of the union’. A buncha lazy, affirmative action nitwits will never keep the business of our country straight. We’re paying thousands of idiots to do nothing. If we are to clean this mess up, we have to start by firing these morons. Make them get a real job. The work will never get done until it’s privatized.

Not that I have a problem with internment camps for illegals and liberals. They just love each other so much (well – the liberals love the illegals – the illegals just love all the free stuff the liberals give them) they should do well interned together.


The real solutions
Physical solutions catch the illegals they catch, but lose the ones they miss. Only through institutionalized solutions can we pick up the ones that fences, the Border Patrol, and the National Guard miss.

1. Did the IRS crawl up the butt of that chicken factory in Georgia with a microscope to see if the appropriate taxes were withheld rom the paychecks of all those illegals they arrested? A systematic review of the tax returns of busnesses that are known or reasonably suspected of hiring illegals will put a quick end to this BS.

2. Government benefits must be reserved for citizens. A native of another country who comes here to feed at our welfare trough is nothing but a poacher (Don't give me this crap that they're here to do jobs Americans won't do. There is no such thing as a job no American will do. And if these illegals were working they wouldn't need welfare.) If this requires new legislation or re-writing the existing legislation or passing an Amendment to the Constitution so some bleeding heart socialist authoritarian judge/dictator can't order the working people of this country to support a bunch of foreign free-loaders then those same working people need to make immigration/welfare reform a pre-requisite issue at voting time.

How's this? We tell the politicians and the judges that if they can't figure out a way to provide welfare to only US citizens then we'll demand no welfare at all. Just like we would treat a bunch a children who can't play nice with their toys; take the toys away until they grow up a little bit.

And if I may interject
Moderate Hick
Your debating skills are a legend in your own mind recognized by no one but yourself. Even your name is a flat out lie. Moderates are fence-walking popularists who could care less about writing on a blog, (all thought the ‘Hick’ part seems right…). You are an extreme lefty. The first step to a cure is admitting that to yourself.

Anyone who bashes Michelle
would change their tune if a friend or relative was killed by an illegal alien or terrorist. I'm sure Kimberly, Hick et al didn't know anyone who died on 9/11/2001...I did! Thank you and keep up the good work Michelle.

THE BIG LIE....
The government (Bush) says we cannot deport 11 million illegal aliens. Then goes out and spends $1.7 billion on an illegal alien tracking system that does not work?! How about hiring 17,000 "bounty hunters" at a salary of $100,000 a year ($1.7 billion)? Let each round up 1 illegal alien a day, 17,000 x 365 = 6,205,000!! Problem solved in 2 years or less! We have to demand that the elected clowns in Washington AND locally spend our money in a more judicious manner. Or do as I do, vote against ALL incumbents!!

Sammy
I agree. Tancredo for Prez. He's a LOT better than any of the so-called front-runners (possible exception - Newt).

The red hen and chicken little
Under today's welfare bribery scheme, The Little Red Hen would have had to "provide" for those who did nothing to help her in producing the bread. In the story, she acted as most of us would if WE had had to do all the work while others did nothing except wait for the rewards of OUR labor.

Chicken Little made a presumption without checking the evidence. An acorn fell on her head, and subsequently, convinced Henny Penny, Cocky Locky, and Goosey Poosey to follow her to see the king. But then, Foxy Woxy listened to the tale of the sky falling and immediately decided on how to have all of them for lunch.

Fortunately, some hunting dogs chased Foxy Woxy away -- and Henny Penny was given an umbrella.

Now, I see old Foxy Woxy as illegal aliens, Chicken Little as an excitable one who jumps to a wrong conclusion. The others in her entourage were those who don't see for themselves the real problem but just take the word of someone else who is convincing but also too focused on their own solution without recognizing the real danger posed by Foxy Woxy.

Hopefully, there are those among us who are real "hunting dogs" and will manage to chase the danger away. But of course, under our present "rules", our trained hunters may be put away in cages for "scaring" or "harming" 'foxy Woxy' who only wants to feed "the family", even if WE are what is planned for dinner.

As for "internment camps", those World War II camps were established for those who were of a certain ancestry and American citizens -- not illegal aliens who are lawbreakers. AND in many places, "the law" puts citizens in jail simply on testimony in alleged domestic violence incidents and "the law" even permits citizens to be "held for questioning".

For the life of me, I can not understand why local law enforcement must be "trained" to apprehend illegal aliens. Do illegal aliens have special rights above American citizens simply BECAUSE they are deliberate lawbreakers from a foreign country?

In my opinion, every law "enforcement" agency only needs a hot line if they catch a SUSPECTED illegal alien. Heck, not all 'receptionists' at hospitals are trained nurses or doctors -- they just gather what information they can and THEN notify the "experts" who determine a course of action -- AND they notify the police in case of possible gunshot wounds. Of course, I am not a politician; just a person who has seen illegal activity virtually ignored or buck-passed from one politician to another to keep from doing anything definitive and effective.

Even in President Bush's 'State of the Union' address, we just got more political rhetoric on a "solution" but he was clearly saying "amnesty" in my view. Instead of being either Chicken Little or The Little Red Hen, we are seeing political ostriches with their heads in the sand (or somewhere else).

Jimbo and Schlicty - Intolerant
Jimbo and Schlicty,

thanks to both for proving my point. You offer name calling but can't establish logical counterarguments.

I have to laugh at your names you are calling me. The only difference between your outlook and those of the far left are the political assumptions.
Much more in common is that each side is convinced it is utterly in the right about their beliefs. Tactics, name calling and character assassination are the tools of each. In actuality the far left and far right are both cancers on this society and both sicken the much larger majority of Americans who are in the middle and are not mindless clones controlled by the spin meisters of their chosen extremist group.

Maybe you should breed with one another and spawn some moderate children! Of course good legal citizens to be sure.

Morons get up early
Moderate Hick writes: Her parents grew up in the Phillipines, came to the US and she was born here. Most of the 120,000 Japanese interned in WW2 were in exactly the same situation. They had their freedom and possessions taken by this government. The reason: there might be a spy or three in all those people.

fast forward 65 years and you have a concern for terrorists - 5% of the Phillipine population are muslim. Since the extreme right assumes muslim=terrorist then we MUST lock up all people of Phillipine background just to be sure. That is Malkin's logic, not mine
---------------------------------------------------

Could someone point out the "logic" in Hicky's post, or should it just be written off as the rantings of an unhinged Dean supporter? How does one associate sending illegal aliens back to their country of origin to imprisoning citizens because their ancestors came from a country where they might have known a Muslim?

peppermint
I thought the same thing when Bush was talking about "HIV-AIDS" as he called it. What about our biggest killer-CANCER? What has happened to this man? Why is he so soft on border control? He has nothing to gain.

Hockey Goon Drools
Hockey said
"imprisoning citizens because their ancestors came from a country where they might have known a Muslim?"

No they might actually be a Muslim, hence a jihadist, hence a terrorist. Can't take any chances now can we? That is Ms. Malkin's logic as to the rightness of interning the Japanese in WW2, stealing their homes and possessions, and basically mistreating our own citizens. In her book she lays the groundwork to make a case to do the same with Muslims.
And as you are well aware I am sure - the reason to be concerned about illegals is because of the terrorist threat.

Oh and by the way keep up with the name calling - it just illustrates your pathetically thin grasp of facts and lack of ability to engage in a dialogue.


If Bush pushes it
He should be impeached if he goes for amnesty again.


Here are my points to end the issue over night and be fair to all. Of course this will never happen as rational discussion of issues have gone the way of the dinosaurs.

My fix 1. Deport all illegals.
2. Allow employeers to check legal status of workers before hirring (illegal to do now)
3. Prosecute those who hire illegals.
4. Prosecute those who house illegals.
5. Deny all governemt services to illegals (School, medical, food, etc...)
6. Deny children born in the US by illegals to be citizens. (New years day baby was an illegal.)
7. All legals MUST learn English

After all of the above is enacted and enforced then...

1. Look at a guest worker program that allows people to come and work from all over the globe.
2. Look at our current immigration limits and look for improvments.
3. All possible immigrants/guest workers must learn and pass a test on English, US History, and our founding prinipals. They must agree to become a part of our melting pot if they plan to stay.
4. All possible immigrants must be able to offer some skills that they can provide to our society.
5. Enact a nation ID card system. Those of us who wish to drive get it upgraded to a drivers license at the DMV. Perhaps it could also work as a passport.
6. Require ID card to vote.

These points would make things fair for all, secure the boarders without a fence, and end the problem virtually overnight. Both sides win and our country is more secure. However with both parties acting like children and screaming bloody murder at the other, an honest debate and discussion on this issue will never come to pass and these points listed above will never see the light of day.

Hick
Hick said: "Oh and by the way keep up with the name calling - it just illustrates your pathetically thin grasp of facts and lack of ability to engage in a dialogue."

I haven't called you any name, yet (you lied again by saying I did) - but let me start now:

You're a loony hypoctrite.

Okay - NOW you have reason to attack me, dipwad.



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What El Busho and the other elites want is this North American Union...there will be NO US Constitution
No Sovergnty

It's like a bad dream....but I betcha...(and our forefathers saw this coming, I bet)....we will have another revolution at some point.

Like the book America's Last Days mentions...after the civil war, no one was charged with treason because the judges knew it wouldn't hold. This incredible union was an experiment....and while it's beginning to unravel, we have the duty to keep fighting and rebel if necessary.

BUT YOU HAVE TO KEEP MAKING YOUR VOICE BE HEARD. DON'T BE COMPLACENT.

Hick
Where is the namecalling in my post? It clearly states that you would change your opinion if someone close to you was killed by someone who is not in this country legally. The rest of your post doesn't deserve a response.

Jimbo goes to school
Jimbo said "You are an extreme lefty" and "fence-walking popularists" and now "loonyh hypoctrite" and "dipwad"

Quit crucifying the English language - maybe you should go to some of the english classes for immigrants before you post on a blog again.

a little advice to you Jimbo:
Illiterate, ignorant and angry is no way to go through life son.

ModHIck
Jimbo and Schlicty,

"thanks to both for proving my point. You offer name calling but can't establish logical counterarguments."

I don't see you being called a name in either of these posts.

To jcdean1978
I have no arguement with any of your recommendations, but where is it written that it is illegal to check for the fact of citizenship of a potential worker. In The industry that I just retired from it was a requirement to check it.

To Moderate Hick
Trolls are not just fictional creatures of mythology who habitat under bridges.

ModHick
You accuse me of ranting in one of your posts. However, it would seem the only poster ranting on this thread is you.

vic
You can not check until after you hire the person. So if Jose applies to work for me and can only say "hello and thank you" in English, I can not check his legal status unless I hire him on. I will look for the documentation for it.

Schlicty did not call me a name
Sorry, you are correct - that was only Jimbo. As to your question, no I didn't have anyone close to me killed by an illegal alien.Surely you aren't suggesting that is the admission fee to have an opinion on the subject are you?

You just don't want to comment on the rest of the post because it is true and you can't dispute it.
fair enough I'll accept that as silent agreement.

Vic also
Only reason I know is because I work for an HR firm.

Hick
You're entitled to your opinion. Grow up.

Peppermint Rants
you said
"The democrats will have all of these illegals to vote for them, like you said, and they could have the biggest landslide in the history of the country."

and

"Good thought. I was thinking that the other day in the grocery store. I was standing behind some illegals who were using food stamps to pay for their food."

which obviously you could not KNOW unless they told you they were illegal aliens.

and this gem from Peppermint

"Hopefully the nukes go off in the blue states."

and you think democrats are traitors who want our country destroyed?

and lastly

"Internment camps may be a good idea. Then, we'd at least know where all the terrorists are"

What part of the constitution does that come from?


Definition of rant

: a loud bombastic declamation expressed with strong emotion
[syn: harangue, ranting]
2: pompous or pretentious talk or writing [syn: bombast, fustian,
claptrap, blah]
v : talk in a noisy, excited, or declamatory manner [syn: mouth
off, jabber, spout, rabbit on, rave]

yes Peppermint ranting is what you are doing, just as the far left with their 9-11 conspiracies are doing. Peas in a pod.

Amnesty for Boarder Guards
doing their jobs

-or amnesty for no one.

Or maybe
No one will "debate" because only fools argue with fools...

For the thinking among us, we know several things:

Fact: Illegal aliens are responsible for a higher casualty rate among American citizens than are enemy combatants in Iraq.

Fact: Illegal aliens are overloading and draining our medical and education systems.

Fact: ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE THIEVES - every last one of them - they are stealing from each of us by taking our jobs and the social benefits WE pay for with HONEST work and HONEST payment of taxes.

Fact: Illegal aliens are bringing back diseases that were once all but wiped out in the US.

Fact: Illegal aliens DO NOT WANT to be Americans - they do not want to assimilate - they want to force their turd-world ways of life on US.

Fact: Liberals could care less about the "welfare" of illegal aliens - Liberals need an established lower class to rule over.

Quick fix
Declare open season and it will all be settled in a week.

If they keep going the way they are, there will be violence.

I'm getting tired of my 'country cookin' getting hotter and hotter plus you can't order a damned thing at a fast food because the idiots can't speak English!

Disgusted with the whole mess
I know the Federal Government cannot be sued to actually enforce the laws they copiously make, but the state governments may be another matter.
If the statistics are accurate and 25 Americans lose their lives everyday in crimes perpetrated by illegal aliens, it seems there could be some recourse for the families against the state governments who basically harbor these criminals. They allow these criminals to drive on the roads the taxpayers of the state pay for as well as live off the public services such as welfare, WIC and medicaid.
Ignore it, support it, or be outraged but atleast acknowledge that losing over 9,000 citizens a year in an untimely fashion at the hands of illegal aliens is a true disgrace on the government.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53103

I believe at this point the only way to really bring any type of change is to take to the streets in mass, much like the illegals did to "stop the economy" that rolled on despite their absence. Afterall, who knew Americans still did the jobs illegals aren't educated enough to handle? You can bet you will be called a racist and accused of stomping on their civil rights. But what about the civil rights of the 23,725 Americans buried since 9/11. The federal government needs a good house cleaning and a little less political correctness. They know the party who offers illegals the most, will garner their votes in the future. If selling out American citizens for future votes is politically correct then I will be looking for a third party candidate who says what they mean and means what they say.

Did you know
that Ramos, wife of Border Patrol agent Ignacio Ramos, attended the event as a guest of Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif. Calls State of the Union speech "total sellout of the United States of America to Mexico."

She states,
"Tell America that President Bush doesn't mean a word of what he says about border security!"

"My husband is in jail for trying to capture a drug smuggler and President Bush wants electronics? My husband is a hero and President Bush is a traitor!"

Read the whole story here.

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53918

Danmo43 bloodlust
You said "Declare open season and it will all be settled in a week."

I take it you run your own little militia because you want to be a General and slaughter unarmed people? 10 million bodies littering the landscape?

Hitler called this the Final Solution - looks like Mein Kampf must be in your library.

ModHick
You have a problem with being w a a a a y too serious.
Most of my comments are said with no anger whatsoever.
Most of my comments are said tongue in cheek.
Get a sense of humor.
I'm laughing at you right now as a matter of fact because you are just so funny.

As a matter of fact, Hick, you have been doing nothing but ranting at people continually because they want our borders protected, they want illegals stopped, and they want the cost of it to be gone.

People here are venting their frustrations with our government which is not doing its job according to the Constitution, which is to protect us from invasion. I suggest you read it.

To jcdean1978
I have a friend that I see frequently at a Pub downtown who runs a small business that provides minor maintenance and janitorial services for businesses. We discussed a computer program that he uses a few months ago that checks SS numbers for validity in determining worker legality status. I’ll probably see him this afternoon (Wednesdays are my days for downtown).

Peppermint's Dilemma
When people get caught doing what they say they are not doing they dodge.

Nice try though - although what is funny about nuclear blasts in any state escapes me.

I want our borders protected too but not at the cost of destroying our constitution or slaughtering unarmed people. If the solution were easy it would have already been accomplished.

Moderate Hick
THREE words to solve the problem.

NATIONAL ID CARD

If you're legit, what's the worry.

It would also solve the problem of Democrats getting the dead to vote over and over.

Moderates
Alex, Seawolf : Your both right on but I'm still not going to give up, even though often times I am so disheartened I want to just fade away. Not today.
yuzzy: Dog dream but I like it. Kinda mean though.
Just remember people, moderates are libs on a fence, unsure of themselves, sensitive about being called names, fiesty, not very decisive,need to feel accepted for who they are, sensitive, and well sensitive. Let's leave Hicky Wicky alone. Just kidding. So sensitive.

To Moderate Hick
Letting them in willy-nilly is being done because the constitution has already been destroyed. There was never any intent in the 14th amendment for the children of illegal immigrants to be citizens. What part of the idea of enforcing our immigration laws do you find to be unconstitutional? True, we don't have to indiscriminately shoot everyone crossing the border but if we decided to seal the border with a mine field it would not be unconstitutional. It wouldn’t even be actionable if we publicized it and put up signs.

VOTE AMERICAN
The primary responsibility of the U.S. government is to protect the territorial integrity and people of this country. They have completely abdicated this responsibility. Both parties have been complicit in this. We are being told it is not possible to control our borders, enforce our laws, and thereby control our destiny as a nation. Hogwash. We are being sold out by corporations intent on importing workers for jobs that can't be exported with the taxpayers paying the true costs, financial and human. If we act like sheep and don't stop the inundation across our borders, we will lose our country without a bleat.

Gunny is right
Gunny said
"Moderate Hick
THREE words to solve the problem.

NATIONAL ID CARD

If you're legit, what's the worry.

It would also solve the problem of Democrats getting the dead to vote over and over."

I absolutely agree with this as the first order of business to address the problem. As to your third point I don't think the democrats have a lock on corruption and voter fraud.

But yes the ID card is the right way to go in my opinion as well.

NO HOMELAND SECURITY
There can be no homeland security without border security. We must be clear about what we seek. Security, personal and national. Words Matter
If we are seen as anti-immigrant, we will lose, because everyone knows some or is one or two generations removed and generally Americans have been a welcoming people. We just want people to respect us, our country, our culture, our language and our laws. Illegal alien is the legal status of a citizen of another country who is here without documentation. It is illegal aliens not immigrants who are creating a problem. Immigrants get visas before entering. Illegal aliens prefer the term "migrant", but do not have an open-ended right to migrate from their countries to ours. The debate must center on the willful disregard for the laws of this country.
My point is illegal aliens are not immigrants. Immigrants seek our permission first by applying for a visa. They keep their documents in order and comply with our laws. Illegal aliens do not. They sneak across the border and acquire fraudulent I.D. The open borders crowd know that most Americans are predisposed to favor legal immigration, or at least it is what most would say publicly in our P.C. times. By purposely confusing illegal aliens with(legal)immigrants (really the only kind), the left and the media hope to marginalize those of us who are speaking out against amnesty as being xenophobic, nativist, racist, restrictionist, anti-immigrant bigots. I am not any of those. I am an American citizen whose citizenship means something to him. I like immigrants. I know people from all over the world. I am totally opposed to illegal aliens, regardless of where they are from. I am for retaining our rule of law and sovereignty. We will lose this fight like we lost in 1986 if we aren't clear in our language and stick to the facts.

conrad
You have an interesting thought there. About suing the States. Wonder if some enterprising lawyers would way in on this.

You know, it's sad that Liberals scream on a daily basis about the troop loss in Iraq ( I believe it's 3,000 now) in five years, But say nothing unless to defend the illegals that have killed 21,900 Americans in that same time period,

And of course they'll find time to attack a fine patriot like Michelle!
So brave of them!

Do you suppose
That the President knows nothing of this?
Maybe Chertof has neglected to tell him that the bureaucracy is overloaded and can't handle what they have now much less the farce he's proposing or does George know exactly what's happening and chooses to encourage the massive flood of humans into this country?

If the President would ever stop talking in generalities and look us square in the eye and tell the truth, what would that truth be?

Why is he overrunning us with foreigners.

Randy's delusion
Randy said
"Just remember people, moderates are libs on a fence, unsure of themselves, sensitive about being called names, fiesty, not very decisive,need to feel accepted for who they are, sensitive, and well sensitive. Let's leave Hicky Wicky alone. Just kidding. So sensitive."

No moderates are what constitute the majority of the voting public. about 10% of either party are the hard core "we are right the other side has it completely wrong" crowd. Unfortunately they are the vocal minority of both parties. Their stubbornness displays an unwillingness to acknowledge that compromise is what usually creates reasonable policy.

Sensitive has nothing to do with it but like the Deaniacs with their orange hats if you keep saying it, it must be true.

Goshawk's delusion
Goshawk said:

"And of course they'll find time to attack a fine patriot like Michelle!
So brave of them!"

According to the interview posted at frontpage mag Malkin said the following:



“Malkin: A few things compelled me to write the book. Ever since I questioned President Clinton's decision to award the Congressional Medal of Honor to Japanese-American soldiers based primarily on claims of racial discrimination in 2000, several readers have urged me to research the topic of the "Japanese-American internment." World War II veterans wrote to say they agreed with my assessment of Clinton's naked politicization of the medals, but disagreed with my unequivocal statement that the internment of ethnic Japanese "was abhorrent and wrong." They urged me to delve into the history and the intelligence leading to the decision before making up my mind. “


Tell me where Malkin had the right to question the achievements of these men or to besmirch the honor because of her dislike of Clinton. Who attacked which patriots Goshawk.

Illegals & the End of U.S.
The direct cause of 9/11? Uncontrolled immigration.
We had just cause to fix this at the time, but nothing was done.

NOTHING.

Few, if any, illegal aliens were deported at the time.
When was the last time you heard of someone actually getting kicked out of the country?

Now, this President and this Congress want "comprehensive immigration reform".
This is code for "open borders."
And we have 'conservative pundits' such as Larry Kudlow and George Will decrying attempts to build a wall or enforce existing laws.
They liken deportation proceedings to "Nazi" tactics.
It's demeaning and sad that enforcement is automatically equated to what happened in Nazi Germany.

These elitists, the government and the corporations too, don't care about U.S. sovereignty or our way of life.
They don't care about American culture.
They don't care about you or me.

Ask yourself: How many more 9/11s must we endure before we wake up and do something about it?

Another Problem
I heard about Islamic Terrorists cells forming in Mexico and being trained and supported to resemble Mexicans and speak a bit of the language to cross over into the states. In reality, if you had a mix of Mexicans and middle-east terrorists standing side by side dressed the same, could you honestly tell the difference?

If this is true, that's a scary thought. If it isn't true, it certainly can happen.

Mountain Rose
Sign me up.

If Bush had an appropriate set of political gonads he would pardon the Border Guards AND Scooter Libby.

wiseone
If ANY politician REALLY cared, they'd be on TV nightly decrying this invasion and talking about the cost and crimes of the illegal aliens.

Moderate Hick
The only one delusional person here is yourself. Excepting of course those that would agree with you.

You ask.. "Tell me where Malkin had the right to question the achievements of these men or to besmirch the honor because of her dislike of Clinton."

That in itself is a stupid question! She has every right! She is an American citizen protected by the First Amendment!

Now you tell me. Have you even read her book "In Defense of Internment?" I somehow doubt it. I own all her books and all are right on the money!

It is useless,
all the politicians other than a token few have sold us out on immigration. It seems like a steamroller that will not stop.

The only thing to do is NOT vote for any candidate that is pro-amnesty. Literally do note mark the box of any candidate, I do it all the time when I vote. My county is 90% Gop, but when someone runs unopposed I will not check his box, I write in my own name.

There are about as many comgressmen as I can count on just my hands that truly give a dang about our country over THEIR party. They all mouth the words (McCAin), but they are full of it.

The minutemen need to organize rallies for border, and work place enforcement in all our major cities, I will help promote, and attend any rally of that kind. We need to shock the politicians BACK to their senses...If they ever had any.

11h

Lynne
GOOD point!

We know that - but to moonbats, the first and formost responsibility of government is to make sure no one gets their feelings hurt. All moonbat politics point right back to people's "feelings".

what MUST be done about ILLEGALS
Some (trolls and naysayers) lamely suggest that the issue of ILLEGALS is overblown by most of us who lurk here. If so, why were there 35 posts by 6 a.m. on this one? If this is an issue that only "right wing conservatives" care about, why do 68% of Americans when told the true numbers of all foreign born here favor curtailing ALL immigration (legal and ILLEGAL) until we regain control over it? Some speak of fighting terrorists elsewhere so we do not have to fight them here, but our intelligence people say that the easiest way for potential terrorist threats to impact us here is to overstay visas or flood across out southern border. Hey folks, we can fight ILLEGALS and terrorism at the same time-- and much cheaper too!!!

Actually, this will prove to be the essential, defining issue of our time to America: whether we get control over those flooding across our border and overstaying visas, OR they control us and morph America into a totally different nation-- a third world entitlement state.

I agree with GunnyG-- the REAL KEY solution is a tamper-proof I.D.Card for ANY NON-citizen to work, get licenses, attend college, seek social services, pass go, etc. while in America TEMPORARILY. In the interest of efficiency, and since some things bear repeating, I am going to post again a copy I made of someone else's carefully cobbled together tome on this topic, where s/he included things we need to do, and ways to get involved rather than just get angry about the crisis and curse the darkness:

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Saving America-- The Solution to the Immigration Conundrum

About one in ten residents now in America is foreign born, which is a stunning change from anytime in our history! They represent 28% of our penitentiary population, so they are incarcerated about 3 times as often as the LEGAL residents for serious crimes. This bodes OMINOUSLY AND PERILOUSLY for any semblance of assimilation and harmony. Partly this is because most ILLEGALS have no intention whatsoever of learning English and assimilating. America as we have known it will disappear if we do not demand that out politicians wake up and put a stop to the ILLEGAL invasion!!! American CITIZENS are now being assailed as "racist" and "xenophobic" for having the temerity to want to maintain America as a sovereign nation governed by the rule of law. HOGWASH CALUMNY!!! Mexico is pawning off its poor and undereducated on America, and Dubya (see also Sen. Juan McQuisling) and the Conspiracy Of Evil are aiding and abetting them! RIDICULOUS! CRIMINAL!

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WE MUST DO THE FOLLOWING TO SAVE AMERICA FROM SOCIO-ECONOMIC CATACLYSM, CULTURAL DECIMATION, AND THE METASTASIZING DISSOLUTION OF OUR HERITAGE, THE AMERICAN WAY OF LIFE, VALUE SYSTEM, CIVILITY, SOVEREIGNTY, AND THE RULE OF LAW:
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1) THIS IS-- FAR AND AWAY-- THE MOST ESSENTIAL STEP!!!-- REQUIRE ABSOLUTELY an INVIOLATE, TAMPER-PROOF I.D. CARD for ANY NON-citizen to work, receive public assistance, get licenses, rent apartments, attend college, request emergency services, apply for scholarships, pass go, etc.-- in short, TO FUNCTION PERIOD while in AMERICA. This technique would make it MUCH TOUGHER for miscreant employers to break the law by winking at fraudulent docs, AND would cut down on welfare fraud, tax dodging, etc. ILLEGALS should be made to repatriate to apply for the card, subject to a thorough vetting by US. It will also readily allow us to track crime records, taxes paid, and social services used. It is horsestuff sophistry that this would "violate their rights"-- someone here ILLEGALLY has NO citizenship "rights"!!!

FURTHERMORE, American citizens have to prove who THEY are all the time!!! This solution destroys the straw man ruse that, "We cannot round up and deport 12 million ILLEGALS"-- they would go home to apply for the card at their expense and trouble, the very same way they got here!!! This will also simultaneously allow us to get a handle on those who overstay their visas for nefarious reasons such as plotting terrorism, because it will hinder their ability to sustain themselves in America to take flying lessons, etc.

2) Build a REAL fence ASAP! Yes, it will take time, and will not be entirely effective, but it also MAKES A STATEMENT-- ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL!!! The analogy to the Berlin Wall is an arrant red herring-- that was erected to imprison people,
NOT to keep out serial lawbreakers who do not belong here. Vicente Fox HATES the idea-- that is a great sign!!! It helped immensely in San Diego to hinder ILLEGAL immigration and shortcircuit pandemic crime and social problems.

No shell games, Congress! Throw out any bums in office who do not accede to this and ALL of the following essential steps! The fence sends a clear message that there is NO INHERENT RIGHT TO EMIGRATE HERE, and that Americans will not tolerate the "reconquista." We are squandering a treasure trove in Iraq allegedly to protect America from potential terrorist threats. A tiny fraction of that wasted fortune would build a wall to help stop the REAL THREAT to America's socio-economic and cultural well-being.

3) NO PATHS TO AMNESTY WHATSOEVER!!! They talked the great Reagan into the last amnesty with promises of enforcement going forward, but the Kennedy ilk quislings just winked at that, so that prior scamnesty helped beget this tsunami of the undereducated, indigent, serial lawbreakers! ILLEGAL aliens can go home and get in line! They will never, ever stop hemorrhaging into America if we do not re-establish the rule of law and make ALL immigrants play by the same rules which have worked for those who came here legally before!

The disingenuous sophistry about America benefiting on balance from the labor of ILLEGALS is a fool's reckoning! Your hotel room is not cheaper-- the owner is simply pocketing the savings to him while your taxes subsidize him by caring for the ILLEGAL maid! They ARE taking good jobs, permeating crimes, drugs, and gangs like a plague of locusts, dodging taxes, decimating already beleaguered schools, and enervating communities and social services nationwide with "barrio blight." An advanced economy can ONLY BENEFIT from educated, skilled immigrants... we are NOT getting desirable immigrants who can truly contribute on balance among the hemorrhage of the undereducated indigent from the south.

4) English MUST BE OUR OFFICIAL LANGUAGE-- PERIOD!!! NO BALLOTS or ANYTHING ELSE in ANY other language!!! LEARN OR RETURN!!! Any advanced nation's socio-economic well-being depends on a common language and culture! Actually, this really also benefits LEGAL immigrants who might otherwise join a permanent underclass. Be
forewarned-- "guest worker" programs have NEVER WORKED ANYWHERE, ANYTIME as hoped! The National Academy of Sciences estimates that EACH
undereducated indigent immigrant (even "legal" ones) will cost the American taxpayers $100,000 net more in taxes for social services [which does not include school decimation, crime control, and community erosion expenses] than they contribute over their lifetimes-- once they REALLY pay taxes! Ergo, American CITIZEN TAXPAYERS are paying for corporate welfare to subsidize miscreant employers as they conspire with ILLEGALS to trample on our laws.

5) Fundamentally reconsider our LEGAL immigration policy. Teddy K. and his ulterior-motivated, one world, PC, open borders, multicultural ilk allowed the PC bureaucrats to emphasize "different" immigrants-- did YOU EVER VOTE ON
THAT?!?! Immigration cannot solve (as some lamely opine) the government involvement engendered crises of Medicare and Social Security, which have been purloined and squandered to pay for general government waste/pork, in egregious
violation of the public trust. In fact, ILLEGALS will only accelerate the demise of these "entitlement" programs.

6) Reinterpret the 14th Amendment as it was really intended-- nobody who crashes the border should be able to push out a new citizen! ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL-- PERIOD!!! Prohibit indigent welfare services to those here ILLEGALLY!!! Much of traditional Welfare is really now flowing to ILLEGAL aliens at the expense of CITIZEN TAXPAYERS via this "new American," anchor baby shell game.

Middle America has temporarily derailed the Kennedy-McCain Scamnesty Bill sell-out America attempt, but the powers that be are nefariously and surreptitiously waiting for us to doze off to cram down our throats what the strange bedfellow "CONSPIRACY OF EVIL" wants: miscreant employers/Big Business; Big Labor(but NOT also the rank and file union members); Big (entitlement) Government advocates; the WEIRD, DISPARATE, ANTI-AMERICA, PC, multicultural,
open borders, one world ilk; Big Church (but NOT the members of the congregations)-- some among those simply trying to sell failed messages to new takers.

TIME IS CRITICAL, folks! It was not raining when Noah began to construct his ark! It is a red herring Conspiracy Of Evil myth that Americans want "comprehensive immigration reform," which is simply code for scamnesty, open borders, and resultant perpetual big government. Most Middle Americans believe that the MAIN REASON that "our immigration system is broken" is because our
politicians have FAILED TO UPHOLD EXISTING LAWS and protect our border, NOT BECAUSE our immigration policy has been too restrictive as the PC and La Raza crowd disingenuously suggests.

When Americans are told the REAL levels of recent immigration, both legal and ILLEGAL, 68% agree that we should STOP ALL IMMIGRATION PERIOD until we prove that we can assimilate them properly and favorably. [Source: Center for Immigration Studies (cis.org)] The apologists try to put lipstick on the pig, but Middle America is NOT BUYING the artful con from the monied, powerful
special interests with ulterior motives inimical to the best destiny for America.

AMERICANS UNITE!!! STOP THE INSANITY!!!
AMERICA BELONGS TO AMERICANS! ILLEGALS, GET IN LINE AND ASK PROPERLY!

Presidente Jorge Bush should be IMPEACHED for trying to sell out America to the ILLEGAL Alien Invasion-- a SHAMEFUL, EGREGIOUS and WILLFUL violation of his oath of office and nonfeasance to defend and protect our borders and preserve the rule of law. Thank goodness, some of us managed to persuade the House before the
Senate was able to sell out America with the Kennedy-McCain scamnesty legislation. Quisling Juan McCain put his name on Kennedy-McCain Scamnesty, which was ENTIRELY written by Kennedy's staff of immigration lawyers--
DISGUSTING! TRAITOROUS!
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I agree that the challenges to save America from the ILLEGAL invasion are indeed daunting... the Forces Of Evil against us are motivated by the 2 things which now disproportionately drive our representative republic-- 1)lobbyist/special interest money and 2) influence/power. Also, Middle America MUST become both better informed and better engaged.

That said, this is why I have not given up. Though 62 Senators, isolated inside the Beltway and barraged by the monied lobbies, voted for Kennedy-McCain Scamnesty, Middle America derailed it in the people's House!!! Peter King said that in his almost 20 years in Congress he had NEVER seen such an angry, visceral grassroots reaction! Also, cable news/talk radio has done an
about-face on the topic; in the past year or so, O'Reilly, Scarborough, Matthews, Rush, Savage, John Gibson, Glenn Beck, even Imus (who loves his cheap ILLEGAL ranch hands) have shifted and/or begun to complain about ILLEGALS. These voices really do MATTER! They are a weathervane for the mood out in the hustings, boondocks, prairies and bayous. O'Reilly is heard by millions daily; not long ago, he parroted a line I sent him virtually verbatim. Suddenly, references among the talkin' heads to "undocumented workers" are now properly
"ILLEGAL aliens" again. They are focusing more on ILLEGALS' pandemic crime rates, the enervation of schools and social service systems, the permeation of gangs and drugs, and so on.

Some are braying that the pols who stood up to the ILLEGAL menace lost in November; this is largely a MM vacuous misread (sometimes willfully, such as by leftist Olbermann) and Forces Of Evil canard. Hostettler and J.D.Haworth lost to people who were TOUGHER on ILLEGALS than they! Most newly-elected Congressmen who spoke out on the issue are OPPOSED to ILLEGALS. The state governments, which are closer to the pulse, are passing new laws to fill the federal void of
nonfeasance on enforcement of existing laws. Arizona passed several anti-ILLEGAL measures by HUGE margins-- with >40% of the legal latino vote! Randy Graf in Az. was a one-issue candidate who was pummeled with national $ from the RNC (Rino Network for reConquista] and Chamber ilk-- they will sell their mothers out for $ and influence!

As the inspiring Coach Jim Valvano exclaimed-- DON'T GIVE UP! DON'T EVER GIVE UP! We ARE sorely behind in this crucial, essential fight, BUT the very destiny, character, heritage, and heart and soul of America are at stake!!! We beat the favored British to establish ourselves-- we can beat these infiltrators and conspirators to preserve ourselves!

Send e-mails to Congress RELENTLESSLY! It is EASY to e-mail them at their official sites right here... you just make a few clicks, then let 'er rip!!!: http://www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/index.htm

BOOKMARK IT, CONTACT THEM constantly, AND LET FREEDOM RING OUT TO SAVE AMERICA!!! Don't fret if you get only formula responses-- their people do track the humor/tenor of your feedback. If you want to use the KISS method (keep it simple, Simon!), these folks have e-mails already prepared and addressed for you to send:

http://www.teamamericapac.org/

Finally, you can learn more and get engaged among these sites:

http://www.numbersusa.com/index
http://www.theamericancause.org/
http://www.cis.org/articles/2006/back906.html
http://www.minutemanhq.com/pet_hr1986/
http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/2003/feb03/psrfeb03.shtml
http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html
http://www.betterimmigration.com/

May God save America! YOU can help her/him !!!

The answer
Roger Berry asks why Bush is overrunning us with foreigners. The answer is: Bush is overrunning us with foreigners to implement his North American Union which is the merging of the USA, Canada, and Mexico.

How do we know that? Because Bush has already signed on to the whole deal! And in order to bring this scheme to pass we have to begin merging populations.

This is why Bush is doing nothing about illegal immigration. The fact that this union will destroy the United States as we know it means nothing to Bush or his handlers.

Ah..who's going to listen to you people?
You had a GOP majority. All you have now is the man in the White House that is standing on HIS principles...it may not be the same ones you have, but he believes in them. Of course you appreciate this right? You wouldn't want him to go against HIS principles and vote against his conscience, would you? You wouldn't want him to be pushed around by polls, right?

People, people, there is nobody out there for to complain to about the illegal immigration issue.

Didn't you realize that is what would happen if you insisted on "teaching Congress a lesson"? I guess the RINO press (Ingraham & Malkin) forgot to mention that when they took your attention off the war, the economy, and the courts to push this issue huh?

You have to STAY in the game to win...and you're not in the game anymore.

You have no more aces to play.

Game over. GO HOME.


Pardon my Interruption
It is mind boggling when I try to comprehend just how much damage has been done to the Framer's Constitution by the Supreme Court in the name of interpretation of what the founders gave us.

Most of us in the United States have slowly, but decisively been led down the path of unrighteousness by dishonest political operatives whose sole purpose in life is to create the atmosphere of fear, and foreboding so we will continue to hand our rights to self-government over to the Federal Government, and the likes of Presidents Bush, and Clinton. These men had both sworn to uphold the Constitution, but neither has any understanding whatsoever about what the Constitution we are operating under at this point means, and I doubt they really care.

The Supreme Court is NOT, I repeat NOT the "Law of the Land," and neither is the President. When are we going to awaken from our deep sleep of complacency, and self interest sufficiently to demand that "We the People" are the power through our Congress? When are we going to stop and realize that we have been set-up by both of the predominant political parties to relinquish our power to them without holding them to the requirements set forth in our Constitution?

Every day on these blogs we are spending our time doing just what the "New World Order" elitists want us to do; arguing, and name-calling so we will be disengaged from the real issues that have brought us to where we are at this critical juncture.

I believe Michelle Malkin is a sincerely genuine American patriot, and I am certainly in agreement that the topic of this conversation is of utmost importance. I also believe that most of those participating in this debate believe they are just as patriotic, and believe in their cause too.

While we Americans are falling for the "divide, and conquer" philosophy of winning a war, those around the world who want to destroy us are smelling blood more, and more every day. We are so intent on making our point that our side is right that we fail to understand that we are first, and foremost American citizens who have a heritage of freedom literally given to us by men, and women in the beginning of this blessed land who worked out their respective differences to secure for their posterity a life of secure, and prosperous freedom.

It is time for all Americans to do more than just talk about our current problems, and start doing something, anything to STOP the blood-letting which is arousing those of our enemies who are not interested in what we have to say, but will take notice that what we are saying is advantageous to their cause.

I wish to declare at this time that I voted twice for former President Clinton, and twice for President Bush because I really believed they were both sincerely concerned about the American people as a whole. I am convinced at this time that I was wrong in both cases as they have demonstrated in opposite ways that they only care about their view of the world which includes a system of eliminating everything which made this country what it once was.

I am referring to the American spirit of "live, and let live," but live responsibly enough that you do not need to force your differences down your neighbors throat, and live according to that rule which told us to do for others what we would have others do for us, but if we would prefer to do it ourselves we would at least thank them for being considerate.

I am convinced that we are going to lose every freedom we have left if we do not take a stand against those who are intent in destroying us from within so they can clean up the mess, and divide the spoils. If you sincerely believe this is not happening in our midst right at this moment, you are either part of the problem, or you are so naive that I pity you.

Our current border situation pales in comparison to what will take place if we do not resolve to change the political landscape before it is too late. It does not really matter what political affiliation we gravitate towards so long as we have the best interests of all American citizens in mind. We must once again start believing that America is the most blessed, and noble country upon the face of the earth because her people represent the goodness of people from all over the earth. We are not perfect, and our system is not perfect, but if we work together we can make it better than it is.

I would challenge all who are engaged in this struggle to define ourselves that we will from this day forward resolve to elect the best men, and women we have available. It is time to eliminate hyphenating who we are, and just be good, hard working, caring, compassionate, folks who want the best for ourselves that we can possibly gain in an honest way, and hope our neighbors will find what they seek as well.

I realize this may sound to some like an overly idealistic dream, but it can happen if we all attempt to start thinking "US" instead of "I."

Sanity
The GOP and conservatism are different animals. No the "game" is NOT over - never will be.

Americans listen and we ARE home.

Declaration of War
George W. Bush has declared war on conservatism and, to be blunt, the historic majority of the American nation. Conservatives should not only turn their backs on him, they must declare war and destroy what's left of his presidency. This should include a demand of withdrawal from Iraq and strong support for President Bush's impeachment.

Question for the Amnesty Proponents
e.g. 'useful idiots' as Lenin wisely termed them.

Why are we the only country in the world that is not permitted to enforce its own border?

mmmmm?

I know you tend to believe that all of us in favor of enforcing the boarder are anti-immigration/racist fools. We have no problem with LEGAL immigration; but one of the primary functions of the Federal Government in to 'provide for the common defense'. Which means SECURING THE BOARDERS! This is a CONSTITUTIONAL RESPONSIBILITY that the entire DC establishment with notable exceptions has abrogated.

Serious answers only please.

Party donors support "Guest Workers"
I posted this under another Townhall thread today. I probably should have posted it here.

Before the last election the National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC) sent out an opinon survey/donation request to potential donors. If a recipient filled out the survey and sent a donation, they returned the results of the survey to the donor.

The results showed that 63% of the people who donated to the NRCC (House Republicans) favor Bush's Guest Worker program.

Malkin is right. The disaster/invasion is coming. Cover up and hang on.

ModHick
"Nice try though - although what is funny about nuclear blasts in any state escapes me."

Hick, I come from a time and space where a possible nuke hit was going on during the cold war. We learned to develop what is called "black humor" about the subject.
Try watching "Dr.Strangelove". It's pure satire about nukes. Maybe you'll even have a few laughs during the movie. It is truly very funny.

Like I said you need a sense of humor and have you read the Constitution yet?
Defending our borders is not shredding the Constitution but abiding by it.

Kimberly's STUPID comment
Michelle makes a very clear and intelligent point about the dangers of week immigration policies, something that IDIOTS like Kimberly are too STUPID to realise.

jimbo, Lynne
Moonbats believe it is OK to hurt the feelings of conservatives.

This is consistent with basic liberal dogma about rules, summarized thusly:

"Rules are to be made by liberals to control the behavior of conservatives. Any attempt to suggest that liberals must also abide these same rules is sexist, racist, homophobic hate speech."

read this and get everyone else to read

A Question for Dr. North and Others ...
With all this talk of the North American Union, and I believe it will occur, has there been any talk from Canada about how they feel about this? Afterall, their borders will be comprised, as will ours. Right now, they have a tough immigration policy where immigrants can go Canada to work a crop, then are flown back home. So, does anyone know where the Canadians are in this this point of contention?

Also, what is the point of all these newly-required passports to be able to come back
into the USA from having traveled to Mexico or Canada? Apparently, you can go there, but without this passport, you can no longer just drive or fly back. There are so many intelligent posters at TH, I thought one of you might have some knowledge on these questions. Thanks!

moderate hick.....
the solution IS easy....very easy....it's the lack of will to do it. We need NO more new laws...every law is in place...it was put there in 1986. The idea that our constitution is in trouble IF we secure our borders is nuts....we'll not HAVE a constitution if El Busho and the elites have their way with the North American Union. That's a FACT...OUR constitution would be undercut and have to 'bow' to the NAU.

Get educated folks...join groups...keep calling.
MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD.

Dash42
I was in Taipei Int'l Airport and watched a couple of Taiwanese cops dragging along a couple of Chinese illegal aliens, cuffed and chained, and being sent back to the mainland! You can escape Communism but not illegally!

Michelle
does great work! And she's a hot babe.

There's two separate issues here: 1) people entering this country illegally, and 2) legal immigration.

One is a law enforcement issue, the other is an administrative issue. THEY AREN'T THE SAME THING! (People who post about "illegal immigration" are ignorant)

I've long been in favor of issuing a tamper-proof I.D. card to EVERY CITIZEN in the USA. This card would combine voter registration/driver license/social sec cards. The card would also have fingerprint and DNA data, as well as a photo and physical description.

To counterfeit/forge or possess a phoney card or use someone else's card would result in MANDATORY 5 years minimum in fed prison.

(I can hear the libertarians screaming)

DavidMac
I like your idea. Sounds like a good solid method.

DavidMac
I agree but would like to add, if you tamper with it, you are stripped of your citizenship and sent to an internment camp on Johnson Island to live out your days busting coral rocks into gravel for export.

Exiled for life.

You guys are the problem


Sorry you guys, you won't like what I am going to say, I love Michele but she led the charge really on this.


REALIZE THIS: They would not be talking about amnesty had we not had a bunch of conservatives screaming about illegal immigration. You may not like hearing this but it is true.

The complaining about illegals was a factor that caused the Democrats to take over in congress. I would bet if you guys were not screaming about t his the Democrats would still be in the minority.

In the mean time you have given them (the Democrats) the ability to ask for amnesty, given them the House and the Senate and the ability to say "See those conservatives really are hateful Nazis"

Many people who read this will get angry, All I can say is you made your bed sleep in it.

See Liberals are smart enough to slowly work on moving things in their direction.

We Conservitives are not so smart and will hand over the country to the Liberals if we keep doing this type of thing.

Open borders
Bush should be impeached for trying to change or ignore the US Constitution into a open border agreement. The two border guards are prime instances of making sure that the guards will look the other way.
no one knows how many terrorists have already brought destructive bombs of assorted sizes and distributed aroung the country and are waiting for the signal to set them off. Im all for guarding our borders and keep our enemies out of our country ( including those in Washington) who advocate open borders. Bush's dad and Clinton both were open border advocates. The present resident of the Whitehouse said, something about the incoming president should continue the agenda of the out going president. I knew then that I didn't want him as president of this country!

David mac
A national ID card sounds like the forerunner of the biblical mark of the beast. How about just securing the border and sending the illegals and their suitcase bombs out of the country?

GunnyG
Naughty, naughty, you're going to get certain people upset again using the terminology "internment camps". I know you wouldn't want to hurt anyone's little feelings. :-}

Peppermint
You're right.

Put a fence up that separates the Americans on Johnson Island with the 'exiled scum".

Bob
I have a CAC card, an ID card (with my SSN on it), a driver's license, a CCW permit, etc, etc in my wallet. I have several badges hanging around my neck, I'm fingerprinted everytime I renew my security clearance, my face and DNA is in DoD databanks. I have to show my Tricare care for doc visits.

How much more marked can I be?

A National ID makes it nearly impossible to get over on us.

Not to mention that since the Dhimmicrats are against it, that makes me FOR IT!

Richone
"The complaining about illegals was a factor that caused the Democrats to take over in congress. I would bet if you guys were not screaming about t his the Democrats would still be in the minority."

Sorry richone, don't get the rationale behind this one. How are we to blame for liberals who want to use epithets at us such as racist, xenophobic, to dishonestly skew the issue?
It's like blaming the victim when a rape happens.
If the woman hadn't been doing this or that, wearing this or that, she wouldn't have been raped.

Keeping our borders safe has nothing to do with racism. That's made up by liberals.
Are you suggesting we just shut up, remain quiet about our opinions?

Is that how abortion came to be all encompassing because pro life people were screaming about babies being killed? With that logic, the dems had to put abortion in effect because it proves cons are abortionphobic. Makes about as much sense.
It doesn't make me angry because what you say doesn't seem to make sense to me. Maybe I'm missing your point somehow.

Gunny G
They are talking about putting a computer chip under your skin just like they are doing to dogs.
The Verichip can be read with a scanner and it will have all of you vital statistics and identification on it.
You will even be able to pass your hand over scanners to purchase fuel, groceries and whatever. No more cards, checks, or cash. That is the Mark of the Beast.
As far as the illegal immigration issue they need to kick out the illegals period!
The ones that are waiting for their paperwork need to be watched carefully and if they are not legal by the end of the year they can be sent back too.

Question for Dr. North
Do you have any details about the North American Union Treaty? The first I heard of it was in in a new AIM Report that spoke about ". . . the Bush Administration is embarked on a controversial and secretive plan to effectively erase U.S. borders and establish a North American Union to facilitate the flow of people and goods from Mexico into the U.S. (canadafreepress.com/2007/selepak012207.htm)

Another related area that is being ignored by the politicians and MSM is a study by Deborah Schurman-Kauflin of the Violent Crimes Institute in Atlanta, Georgia concering 240,000 illegal immigrant sex offenders in the United States (canadafreepress.com/2007/selepak012207.htm).

I've been forwarding this article and a related article, "Illegal Immigrant Charged With Sex Assault Asks to be Deported to Avoid Punishment" (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,245539,00.html) to friends and encouraging them to write/e-mail/call their representatives and the president as well as continue to spread the word. Perhaps the first step is to let the politicians know we know.


Never Mind ...
I just read the entire article from sbmcgraw and it answered my questions.

TAP001
I hear you. It's coming and what can you do about it? However, turning such technology to YOUR advantage is better than nothing.

I se that 761 illegals were nabbed in LA last night. Only a few million to go.

To richone
You and sanity102 should get together (if you aren’t already the same person). You both are repeating the same tired refrain. “You absolutist conservatives have caused the dems to be in power”. Let me tell you my side of the story. I am SICK and TIRED of voting against a candidate because neither of the two main candidates are worth a sh*t and I have to pick the least evil. If both candidates are liberals in the 08 election, as was the case in the last election, I will vote for a 3rd party candidate or write in my own name. Its NOT a wasted vote if the outcome really doesn’t make any difference is it?

I'm sorry
I apologize to all the morons out there, it was wrong of me to lump Hick in with you. He's in a class all by himself.

A North American Union
Is there somewhere I can go to get details on this North American Union? The first I heard of it was in the article, "240,000 illegal immigrant sex offenders in the United States" (canadafreepress.com/2007/selepak012207.htm). A related article concerns, "Illegal Immigrant Charged With Sex Assault Asks to be Deported to Avoid Punishment" (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,245539,00.html).

I'm e-mailing both these article to friends and encouraging them to e-mail/call/write their representatives and the political leaders. I'm hoping (I still believe in miracles) that if the elected officials realize that enough "Joe-six-packs" are aware and following the amnesty situation, they won't be as quick to buy the Latino vote. It hasn't gotten so big yet that other voting blocks can't out-vote it. Any other suggestions for action? I'm all ears.

Question for Gunny
You said

"DavidMac
I agree but would like to add, if you tamper with it, you are stripped of your citizenship and sent to an internment camp on Johnson Island to live out your days busting coral rocks into gravel for export.

Exiled for life."

Wouldn't that need a constitutional change of some sort? Like you, I have a CAC and no qualms about its use for national ID. But that is the first step - solving that part makes the rest not nearly as hard because of the bureaucracy involved - need the card to obtain health care, etc. It would definitely remove much of the temptation to come here illegally because there would be such difficulty in getting a job, health care, etc. Camps would be a rather drastic second step don't you think?

Personally I wouldn't want to spend the money on any type of camps - send them to their country of origin and let them take care of them.

Establishing camps for undesirables is a slippery slope that could be abused badly.

Defacto Amnesty
Richone, Sorry but your thoughts make absolutely no sense. If nobody ever talks about illegal immigration then how does the problem ever get solved? Will not talking about it make it somehow magically go away? Regarding the illegal invasion, if nothing is ever talked about and if nothing is ever done then we essentially have a defacto amnesty. A defacto amnesty is just as bad as a codified amnesty. Real problems require real discussion and real solutions. Pretending that problems don't exist doesn't make them go away. Our biggest problem is that we didn't talk about this problem until it was probably too late -- the old frog in the pot theory.

Hockey Goon
Thanks Goon. Maybe some day you will have some class and join the rest of the human race.

Moderate Hick
Sorry, I should have been more clear.

The camps are for American citizens who tamper or use fraud with the Nat ID.

The illegals? Airdropped from 35,000 ft sans parachute in their country of origin should suffice. (just kidding)

Yes, send them back and sanction the nation responsible. Make THEM tighten up as well.

GunnyG
I don't know... i think i'd stick with the judicial system rather than the camp idea or make the fine pretty daunting e.g. it is a felony, some prison time and loss of voting privilege. It's what we have now and if enforced would probably be (my opinion)the more reasonable second part of a national ID strategy. Definitely provisions for permanent prison after 2 or three convictions.

Moderate Hick
Good point. Lifetime LOSS of voting privledges.

Amnesty
Does anybody think that the Democratic Congress wont, within the next two years, put an amnesty bill on the President's desk, and he will veto it? If this happens, and amnesty for millions becomes the law, this will be the first step for the US ending as a country we know, and for the Republican Party, this will be their death knell. And, like the Whig party of the 1840s and 1850s, they will disappear as a force in American politics forever. What a legacy for the Bush administration. He wont even get his just deserts from the triumphant Democrats.

sbmcgraw...
I have heard of the NAFTA super highways in the past and it is no surprise to me.

I have an uncle who is retired military that seems to know quite a bit about the NAU. I'm not sure why he knows so much, but he does. It's always interesting conversation with him.

I have no suggestions other than to say that this world has evolved over so many years and it is not going to stop now. We can lead, follow or get the hell out of the way.

It doesn't much matter if we try and horde everything while we are alive and breathing - even though that's what those ELITES you talk about are doing.

I liked michaelogic 101's write-up...we need to focus on co-existing with our neighbors no matter who they are and what they look like. If not you will always be running away.

God Bless,
J

Moderate Hick
"...compromise is what usually creates reasonable policy." Compromise is a refuge of an exhausted position. If a position is weak, seek moderation. Sounds like surrendering of principles to me. Reasonable policies, in our form of government resides with which side of the eisle has to most votes.

North American Union
You have it right, Linda. Let the politicians know that we know. I think one of the best places to go for info on the NAU is the The New American magazine that you can probably find on Google search. Another one might be The American Free Press. Both of these publications publish news you do not get from the mainstream press.

The whole point of having a NAU is to is to copy the European Union. Then there will be other economic blocks formed until we have about 10 worldwide. At that point they plan to move from a purely econopmic union to a political one and then develop a One World Government. The tragedy is that this one world government will eventually be taken over by Mr 666 whom you can read about in Rev. 13:16-18. This will be the worst tyranny of all, and Geo. W. Bush is idiotically helping this to come about.


TAP001, GunnyG, Peppermint
and others: getting rid of the illegals already here is a fine goal, but you need to I.D. them first.

In Texas, there's a bunch of illegals AND a bunch of legal hispanics. Who's who? That's why I advocate a national I.D. card. That way, we nail the bad guys but keep the good guys.

Dr. North

And who, pray tell, is Mr. 666? Has he been born yet? Do you think you know his "earth" name?

Has it ever occurred to you that if this President or his "handlers" really wanted a one-world government, this nation probably has the ability to cause that to happen militarily right now? Of course, I'm talking about having to nuke a whole bunch of people.(or using top-secret advanced weapons the "Cabal" is hiding from us), but it could be done.

So why wait? Why go through all these gyrations if that is the goal? You know -- just punch a bunch of buttons on the desk. Plus you'd have the benefit of a lot fewer mouths to feed.

No, Doc. I think you are way overcomplicating what is probably nothing more than a vote-grab attempt by BOTH parties.

Internment Camp Mexico
For those suggesting that we need an internment camp, may I suggest that there is a ready-made place just south of us: Mexico. Deport the illegals and place a moritorium on ALL immigration until we can get a handle on this.

But to get a handle on it, you need legislators and executives who see a problem. The only thing they identify as a problem is us. We are nothing more than roadkill (aka speedbumps ) on their gleaming NAFTA Highway.

I blame the RINO Party for this. You expect this anti-AMericanism from confessed lefties, but so-called conservatives are *supposed* to be better.

For those who claim that enforcement and deportation is impossible because of the scale and scope of the problem...puh-leez. Do you think for one second they'd hesitate to track down and prosecute 12 to 20 million of us if we refused to pay our taxes? If you do, then you're an idiot. The problem is a paucity of will, not ability.

More man power is needed. Fine. Sign me up. I'll volunteer my time and labor. I'll file. I'll fax. I'll phone. I'll kick down doors in the middle of the night. I'm capable and willing to do all these things for no pay, and so would be millions of other real Americans.

The real solution is a third party. The Republicrats can't be trusted to govern for our long term national best interests.

Go ahead! Wave your white, yellow-striped flag and squeal about how it could never happen; a third party could never succeed. Well, it can't if you surrender this country to the lefties and the RINO Global-Corporatists.

This issue will be addressed. That's not a question. The questions are:

1) Who will do the addressing?

2) How long will our patience last?

3) And how bloody to you want it to get?

Reminds me of an old joke

.....Snooty host of an elegant party remarks, "My dear, my ancestors came over on the Mayflower." ...

....."I'm not surprised", replied her guest, "The immigration laws weren't very strict in those days". .....COLOSSUS

Lynne
Hi! How's things in the tri-state?

BTW, I just posted on Hugh Hewitt's thread. I'd be interested in your reaction.

- Primus

Starspangledblogger
You are thinking in the wrong direction. Intern a few thousand in Alaska at hard labor building roads to anywhere. To avoid this, the other 11,900,000 would get back to Mexico, particularly if a carefully monitored legal worker program were in place, with biometric ID card and draconian punishments for abuse. Draconian punishments work. Shaaria decrees death for adultery. Do you think there is much of it in countries enforcing shaaria law? The illegals would deport themselves if 5 years battling Alaska cold and mosquitos were the result of getting caught.

Then you need to be reminded again
of something else, baseballdoc. The situation is entirely different from the Mayflower days. They came here to BUILD a nation, not digest an existing one. We are being overrun by people who have no loyalty to us or our way of life. Of course, some of them come to particiapate in the American way of life. But many of them come to subsume it. And some come to destroy it. And You still want to make snide comparisons to the Pilgrims?

Human rights is the issue

The dialogue today on the arguments find both sides trying to find the high ground.

The Left want to be the virtuous ones and allow unrestrained entry to our country as a show of compassion(emotionalism). The Right wishes to show their concern (reason) about the sovereignty of our country which has been gained by the blood of many patriots over the past years.

What we are engaged in is a culture war which may have far more implications of the direction our country takes than whether or not we "win" the war in Iraq.

Many countries in Europe are already reeling under the assault of defining what is "the truth". Here is what the president of the Italian Senate, Marcello Pera. said in his book, "Without Roots".

"Crisis is an overused word these days, but in the present circumstances of Europe it is, unfortunately appropriate...relativism has wrecked havoc, andit continues to act as a mirror and echo chamber for the dark mood that has fallen over the West. It has paralyzed the West, when it is already disoriented and at a standstill, rendered it defenseless when it is already acquiscent, and confused it when it is already reluctant to rise to the challenge.

How can we speak of, and defend, 'universal human rights' in a cultural climate in which the very idea of 'truth' in under sustained assault".

Looking past the many well written posts on this blog, one can only hope that an absolute truth will again make itself known so as to allow us to become a common people with common goals. As long as our own self-interest prevails in our dialogues, we will be speaking past each other on most subjects brought up on TH.


Lynne
Today's column; "Let Us Find Our Resolve..."

BTW... gotta run for now. If you want to share your thoughts, you can email me at:

primus284@yahoo.com

(primus54 wasn't available!)

Cheers!

Automatic citizenship a "Human Right" ?
I don't think so. Nor would the Founders. Is repatriating someone who steals into this country such an inhumane act? Seems to me the TRULY compassionate person would take the opposite view. If we really care about those poor, unwashed masses, should we not encourage their own corrupt governments to correct what issues drive them hence? Instead, we give their corrupt politicians an easy out by providing a pressure release valve that only protracts the problem and buries us along with the Mexicans.

That is false compassion and folly beyond measure.

Some of the more "Draconian" speculations may strain against our humane character as a people, but they also serve to inform us just how rotten this system has become. We need to act NOW, while compassion is still an option.

The Driving Ideology is Globalism!
In my estimation, both the DNC & GOP leadership are controlled/puppeteered by the Globalist Elite (ie - CFR, etc.). Dubya has been pushing scAmnesty & open borders for quite some time now. Thank goodness that Lou Dobbs, Dr.Jerome Corsi, Pat Buchanan & others have all done an outstanding job helping to expose the forthcoming SPP North American Union. We concerned Americans need to turn off the Sheeplevision, put down the iPods & video games & get active! We must demand our elected officials defend our Constitution, borders, sovereignty & middle class. Everyone needs to educate themselves on the FACTS (NOT NeoCON or Marxist Dem propaganda....which originates from the Globalists)!!!

http://www.stopspp.com

http://www.jbs.org/nau

http://www.anu.org/nationalisttimes.asp


I Pledge No Allegiance...
to the flag of the United States of Mexico and to the Socialist Republic for which it stands, one nation, under "Demo"gods, quite divisible with slavery and injustice for all.

Bush the traitor
Bush and his predecessors are traitors. They swore to uphold the laws of the land and they have been totally lacking. Instead, GWB wants to open the northern and southern borders and make it one big community.
Bush needs to stop with the showboating and small peanut arrests and get serious about enforcing our laws.
We already have 30 million people here illegally and he wants to reward them with amnesty. The guy should be impeached for not protecting this country from the invasion of illegals.

What's NEXT???
Citizenship and Amnesty for Hezbollah terrorists??? WHEN DOES THE MADNESS OF LIBERALISM EVER STOP??? To believe our Homeland Security Department can MAGICALLY prevent Hezbollah and al Qaeda terrorists from crossing our wideass-open borders with high-tech this and high-tech that, drones here and drones there, is about as ridiculous as believing in Santa Claus. The bottom line is that a million dead Americans or so is not nearly as important as short-term Corporate profits. Tom Tancredo was shaking his head in disgust at Bush's obeisance to the Left in his State of the Mexican Union speech last night. Just whose country is this anymore??? WHY DO ANY OF US PAY TAXES TO SUPPORT THESE TRAITORS IN WASHINGTON IN BOTH PARTIES??? WHY DO OUR SERVICEMEN AND SERVICEWOMEN STAY IN THE TRAITORS' MILITARY??? This is OUR country. The powers that be in Washington derive their power from US. It is time for Americans to launch MAJOR PROTESTS with the pocketbook and marches on DC. Our military should go AWOL as a protest of this Apostate government in DC that has turned its back on the CITIZENS here who pay taxes. When 80% of Americans oppose Illegal Immigration and the government ignores us, it is time to teach them a lesson they will NEVER forget.

Pitbull
Excellent idea about a sit-in for American citizens. Let's all call in sick all across the nation. It's time to strike back. I like the idea of burning Mexican flags, too.

A sit out