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Wednesday, December 13, 2006
Michelle Malkin :: Townhall.com Columnist
Beware of illegal aliens seeking hazmat licenses
by Michelle Malkin
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What's the harm in allowing illegal aliens to have driver's licenses? After all, they're just all here innocently doing the jobs Americans won't do, right? And since they're already here, we might as well let them drive legally, right? We'll all be safer, right?

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

Driver's licenses are tickets into the American mainstream. They allow residents to establish an identity and foothold into their communities. They help you open bank accounts, enter secure facilities, board planes -- and drive tractor-trailers carrying hazardous materials.

But there aren't any illegal aliens out there who would use fraudulently obtained driver's licenses to threaten Americans, right? That's just xenophobic scare-mongering, right?

Wrong again.

Last week, law enforcement officials arrested an illegal alien enrolled at a Smithfield, R.I., tractor-trailer training school who was trying to obtain a commercial driver's license and permit to haul hazardous materials. Not many people paid attention. You should. Illegal alien Mohammed Yusef Mullawala, 28, of Jamaica, N.Y., had obtained driver's licenses from New York, New Jersey and Rhode Island. He was reportedly in a hurry to get a commercial driver's license and a permit to haul hazardous cargo.

Because he's just so passionate about the job, right? Yeah.

A joint investigation was initiated by investigators from the Rhode Island State Fusion Center, the Federal Bureau of Investigation Joint Terrorism Task Force in Rhode Island, New York & New Jersey, and the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement after driver's school officials became concerned about his suspicious behavior. "His behavior was consistent with terrorist-type activity," Maj. Steve O'Donnell of the Rhode Island state police told the press. "He showed no interest in learning the fine art of driving a tractor-trailer. He had no interest in learning how to back up." Sort of like learning how to steer a plane, but not take off or land.

As in several other cases since 9/11, it was alert private citizens who notified the Department of Homeland Security of Mullawala's suspicious behavior. (They will no doubt be labeled Islamophobes and bigots by the usual grievance-mongering mob.)

And once again, it was enforcement of immigration laws that played a critical role in detaining him. Like some of the 9/11 hijackers and several al Qaeda operatives identified in the United States over the past decade, Mullawala was here on a temporary student visa that he had overstayed.

Must I remind you that the 9/11 hijackers obtained some 364 separate pieces of identification, including driver's licenses, in order to conduct their murderous business? Hijackers Hani Hanjour and Khalid Almihdhar conspired with illegal alien day laborers at a Falls Church, Va., 7-Eleven to obtain government-issued photo IDs. Three other hijackers obtained IDs at an Arlington, Va., DMV.

Terrorist truck bombs have killed hundreds of Americans in Beirut, at the Khobar Towers, and Iraq. For the operatives behind the wheel, a license to drive is a license to kill. Over the past two years, the FBI has put law enforcement officials on high alert for U.S.-based operatives connected to al Qaeda who may be in possession of commercial driver's licenses and may be planning to use truck bombs.

In Boston, suspected al Qaeda agent and illegal alien Nabil al-Marabh obtained a license permitting him to drive semi-trucks containing hazardous materials, including explosives and caustic materials.

In Minneapolis, suspected al Qaeda operative Mohamad Elzahabi, who obtained a green card through a fake marriage, was able to obtain a commercial driver's license to drive a school bus and to haul hazardous materials -- despite FBI knowledge that Elzahabi had been tied to terrorism.

Earlier this year, more than 200 Somalian and Bosnian immigrants illegally obtained Missouri commercial driver's licenses or certifications to handle hazardous materials through a West Plains truck-driving school that had a contract with the state, according to federal prosecutors. In just a few short weeks, Democrats led by Nancy Pelosi -- a staunch opponent of strengthened ID laws and strict immigration enforcement -- will reassume power in Washington. An open borders-friendly White House has expressed willingness to deal with them. So we know who supports illegal alien workers and potential terrorist drivers waiting for amnesty. But who will stand up for us?

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Just How Racist Are We Going To Get????
Profiling, pure and simple. The only reason this poor unfortunate person was targeted is because he is a (gasp) Muslim! Just because a small handful of Muslims committed a crime, we are now out to screen anyone of their descent. If anything, we should be making efforts to show the Muslim community just how trusting we are by greatly reducing the search of Muslims. But I know that is expecting too much rational thought, even though such a reduction would help prevent members of the Muslim community from becoming upset and offended by our hysteria. We would be no less safe by reducing such scrutiny since there is NO reason at all to think that a Muslim is any more prone to terrorist acts than anyone else of another culture or religion. To think otherwise is totally racist and without any justification.

Case in point is the six Imams removed from the flight for merely being Muslim. If they had indeed committed some terrorist act, then there might have been grounds for arresting them. You cannot arrest me for murder because I have a gun in my car, you have to wait until I've actually killed someone. The Muslim community deserves the same consideration, for they have done nothing wrong.

Your right Michelle
Who WILL stand for us? Now that the Demo-nuts have control, I think we'll have to wait and see where the next huge explosion takes place. It's only a matter of time. Then we can watch the Demo /Libs blame Republicans. We can expect no more from the party that has no interest in the security of our people. Their main interest is in building their power and pushing their Liberal/Socialist agenda.

treadmilljoe- absolutely!
We have too many LEGAL immigrants to start with. AND there are too many illegals as well.

The area where I live is overwhelmingly populated by people from a country that was formerly possessed by the Soviet Union.

These people are not assimilating!

We need to slow down all kinds of immigration until those who have moved here have become Americanized.

Loyal Dimmy-crat
Why don't you go do some research about how nice and normal the Muslims are?

Go live among them for a while. Meanwhile, we will have a pool to see how long it takes for them to hand you your head.

Give it up, the fight is over
Give it up. The fight over illegal aliens is finished. We (the majority of the American people) have lost. Not later than Cinco de Mayo, 2007 we'll all witness President Bush, with that big, stupid grin on his face, sitting in the Rose Garden signing the biggest amnesty in the history of mankind. Standing unsteadily right behind him, grinning from ear to ear, fully the size of a 32 cubic foot refrigerator, will be Teddy Kennedy and maybe even the maverick John McCain.

A year later the experts will all express shock when more than double the Pew Center's estimate of 12,000,000 illegal aliens have registered for their Green Cards.

Loyal demo...
The war on terror is not a law enforcement issue. Where would we be if we waited for the Germans to commit crimes here before we put a stop to their efforts to dominate the world?

Please tell the truth, if certain of your neighbors were plotting to kill your family and were making it no secret, would you wait until your family was dead before you did anything?

Never mind, you probably would wait til your family was dead as democrats do not value life like normal thinking people do.

About Loyal Democrat

"It's not that our liberal friends are ignorant, it's that so much of what they know just isn't so." -- Ronald Reagan

THIS IS TYPICAL
of the whining leftists who scream 'racism' and 'xenophobia.' How much more racist will we become? We are not 'racist' enough from what I have read here in Michelle's article. I have written here before that when we are attacked again - and we will be attacked again - there will be 30,000 - 300,000 dead. From what I have read here these savages are already working to make that a reality.
The real kicker in all of this - though it is to be expected - is that the stupid whiners whose comments I have read here today will be the loudest ones screaming " Oh, oh, why didn't you see this coming? Why didn't you stop this?"
Or maybe not.Maybe they would be dancing in the streets like we saw the savages doing on 9/11. After all, we are the cause of all the problems in the world, right? That is why this country is being overun by any and all sorts of illegals that want to come to this racist country, right?

The Big Explosion
Sooner or later we will get hit with something big.
I hope when it happens all the whiners about being racist and xenophobia finally stop. What will it take to see the truth of what is gong on?
For another story related to illegal immigrants who "take jobs Americans don't want" follow the link and see who is contesting roundups of illegals.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy
n/content/article/2006/12/12/AR2006121200525_pf.html

Loyal Democrat
I still hope that cscDe (from a post on Kathleen Parker's article) is correct and you are really a conservative using sarcasm to lampoon liberal beliefs. Again, on the chance that you aren't, a few comments on your post.

1) The article actually mentioned several people who had been caught trying to obtain Haz-Mat licenses, not one (at one point she says over 200 Somali and Bosnian illegals tried to obtain CDL's or Haz-Mat permits). Also, Malkin never stated that these people are Muslims, the thrust of her article was that illegal aliens shouldn't be given driving licenses (see title of article), so on what are you basing your statement that the "poor unfortunate person" is a Muslim? His name? (Are all people named "David" or "Joseph" Jews? Maybe you should take a look at your own prejudices.) However, let's assume that they are all Muslims. If this is the common thread that ties all these people together, then profiling Muslims and/or illegal aliens appears to be useful, and you would need to show a compelling reason why it should not be used.

2) Words do have a meaning. Racism might be a fun word to throw around to end reasonable debate if one is losing, but let's try and remember that Muslims are not a race, so that word does not apply here, regardless of one's views of Muslims as a whole.

3) Your statement that there is "NO reason at all to think that a Muslim is any more prone to terrorist acts than anyone else of another culture or religion" is lacking any evidence whatsoever. If you were stating a commonly known fact (e.g. the sun rises in the east, or Hitler was chancellor of Germany during WWII), then you wouldn't be asked to back such a statement up. In this case, you are challenging a widely held belief, namely that Muslims are in fact more prone to acts of terrorism, so I would say that the burden of proof is squarely on you, even if you are correct. Assuming that you could prove that Muslims as a whole are no more likely than any other random group to commit acts of terror, I'm afraid that you still would not have carried your point, because the article identified some of these people as "suspected al Qaeda agent[s]". So, are members of this group (whether actual or merely suspected members) more likely to commit acts of terror? The facts don't appear to be on your side. So please don't categorize opposing thought as "totally racist and without any justification", because then it just sounds like you aren't interested in the truth, just in your opinion not being shown to be false.

When not if
I once was in a counter terrorist unit, we always said when not if about a WMD being used in America. LD and his ilk will be the first to ask why we didn't stop it and start blaming those whose politics and beliefs differ from their's. It is only a matter of time before this happens. Then the second guessing and scrambling to cover a**es will begin. Watch who howls the loudest about who is to blame. I already know who the usual suspects will be.

Peppermint
Tried to go to the link you posted. It appears to have been taken down.

The irony here
Mullawala could have learned exactly the parts he wanted WITHOUT leaving home shores (India). If you don't believe me, just make a visit there and observe how trucks (including semitrailer-haulers) are actually driven there.

I hope he gets a quick flight back to Mumbai--at his own expense!

Funny and Sad at the Same Time
Yak, your post was absolutely hilarious and made me laugh out loud until I realized that your accounting will be absolutely true. The actual images won't be anywhere as interesting, descriptive, or hilarious as your prose but it will certainly be one in the same. With the stroke of a pen our Republican President will sign away the future of conservative thought and philsophy as a governing majority.

Even though the fight probably is over, I refuse to succumb easily and will not give up on this fight for US sovereignty even after Bush's treasonous act.

For those that might think Yak's estimate of double the projected 12 million is pure hyperbole; remember that in 1986 they told us that the amnesty would would only effect 1.5 million. Final tally -- 3 million. That's what is so amazing about the supporters of amnesty... they stand ready to enact legislation with such incredible ramifications economically, culturally, and in matters of security and they have absolutely no clue about any of the numbers. After amnesty is signed, look for illegals that aren't even yet in our country to stream into Los Estados Unidos at record levels in an attempt to get in on this once every 2 decades deal.

treadmill joe--raidencraig

My eyes! Easy on the caps lock there, boys.

Loyal Democrat--you ever have an original thought, or do you simply recite chapter and verse from Leftwing for Dummies?

America, we've got a Problem
It appears that America will continue on this road of being "nice" until another dreadful day .......,

Amnesty
If Bush attempts to grant amnesty he should be impeached. It would be the final straw in his career of not only refusing to protect and follow the constituiton but exposing his desire to destroy it and the American way of life.

Primus54
Ronnie had the essence of the Dhimmicrats down pat didn't he?

Of course, my hero, Morton Downey Jr. just called them pablum-puking bedwetters, which was also just as applicable to the Dhimmi's now as it was then.

Another dreadful day
I hit the wrong key in previous post and was not finished...but then this is the way America will wake up.....suddenly....by an event preventable, but not, foreseen, but not taken seriously.

I just wonder why there has not been put in place an easy to use, mandatory system of identification BEFORE a person can be hired, before a person can be allowed into a school of any sort. A few modifications to programs already in use would be all that was necessay.

Check this out, a post I wrote several days ago:
http://asiseeitnow.townhall.com/g/f8b0e441-a00f-407d-96cc-0b895aa2d1d0

The last
question is a profound one. Indeed, "Who will stand up for us?" Obviously, there's not a democrat in the entire USA who stands for anything except a lust for power, and trembling under his/her desk when the going gets tough. And the President, who we once thought was a hard nose on ILLEGAL immigration issues, turns out to have been a powder-puff on the borders all along, a cross-dresser wearing John Wayne's hat and Nancy Pelosi's panties.

I guess we'll have to look out for ouselves, folks. Time to lock-and-load!

raidencraig
Though I agree with your post and information provided. I can't help but feel much harder action must be taken. I can't speak for others of course, but just to let you know. I'm one that is just about worn out writing letters, sending e-mails and fax's, making direct phone calls. And becoming a member of various sites you've listed. I've been doing this longer than I can remember and see no results whatsoever. The only responses I receive are form letters or an occasional, "Thanks for sending, we'll look into it."

It is my belief that these messages are largely ignored or trashed, as the corrupt politicians continue their quest for power and riches at the expense of our citizens and country.

As I stated elsewhere, The American people are so steeped in Apathy that they just sit by and watch it happen. All the TALK and letter writing is not going to change a thing. I feel the time has come for physical action in every form possible. If the foreign governments can organize and take to our streets in protest marches. Why can't we? I suggest that it is a lack of an American leader to organize and take charge. I would do it myself if it weren't for the fact that I'm to old. I'll turn 70 next month. But it's my hope that there is some young sensible folks out there that can get it done.

You know, as a Korean vet, it saddens me to see my service to the country, as well as my fellow soldiers before and after me. Go for nothing as the Liberals and politicians trash everything we fought and died for.

Yet I'm not giving up. There must be some true patriots out there that will take on the good fight! If I'm wrong, well.. I'm glad that I won't be around to witness my once proud America crash and burn.

What about
the ports deal that was stopped with, I might add, a bunch of kudos to the Dims for putting a stop to that sell out deal. Don't the fine Dims hate profiling? Wasn't that profiling? Or do they just hate profiling when it is done by law enforcement or Republicans? Our media needs to be taught a lesson in objectivity. I am just sick of these people who don't pay attention to what is really happening but let the MSM give them sound bites and accept that as the absolute truth. And I'm sick of the media who don't seem to care what happens to this country as long as they can stay at the top of the ratings game.

Loyal Democrat
Welcome back! Was it The Land of Oz, Alice's Wonderland, or just an unusually large bowl of hemp?

Huh??????? Loyal Democrat writes:
Loyal Democrat writes: W

Just How Racist Are We Going To Get????
Profiling, pure and simple. The only reason this poor unfortunate person was targeted is because he is a (gasp) Muslim!
----------end quote---------

Did you even read the article? The reason the person in question was "targeted" was his behavior did not fit the "profile" of someone who wanted to learn the profession of truck driver. I have many years in fire/ems, and am a former instructor. If I had ever had a student who wanted to learn say medication administration and had no interest in all that other "unimportant" stuff like anatomy, assessment, etc. I would have been very suspect of their motives. I would have definitely have consulted with the appropriate in regards to the alarm bells ringing in my head.

It's not racial profiling, just good old common sense. If someone behaves suspiciously, you suspect them! The same is true with the imans. They boarded the plane together, took seats in pairs front, back and rear of plane. Profiling? Yes, but not racial profiling, terrorist profiling. The profile of their seating fit the patterns seen in previous hijacking attempts. Common sense says to be suspicious, especially when some took unassigned seats and refused to move.

The decision to remove them was made after careful deliberation of the known facts, (which included anti-American/pro al Qaeda comments overheard by another Arabic speaking passenger and reported to the crew. To have not taken action would have at best been negligent, and possibly criminal.

THIMK
LD, if the police have a report that a man with a dark complexion, beard and accent wearing a turban robbed a bank, do you suggest thay investigate grandmas in wheel chairs and the sweedish bikini team to make it fair and not profile? A profile is really a set of facts that police use to deter and solve crimes.

Take this to protecting American lives on aircraft. The above listed groups of people are about as likely to hijack a plane as you or I yet in the name of fairnes we harrass them in airports. Look as the list of facts of those hijacking aircraft, Is grandma or Helga there?

If you drop the emotive term, profileing, and use the term, set of facts, it doesn't seem so bad.

Concerning this paragraph: "Case in point is the six Imams removed from the flight for merely being Muslim. If they had indeed committed some terrorist act, then there might have been grounds for arresting them. You cannot arrest me for murder because I have a gun in my car, you have to wait until I've actually killed someone. The Muslim community deserves the same consideration, for they have done nothing wrong."
You couldn't be more wrong on all points.

Was everything the Imams did normal for travelers?, even Muslim travelers? If yor read and listened to the reports you know that all things together caused the suspicion. I don't know of too many people, including me, who are willing to risk their lives just to show jihadists we trust them. If you want to, please feel free to do so. Expecing others to do so for you puts you in the same catagory as Muslim Mullahs who preach, but don't practice, blowing themselves up.

If you have a gun in your car and have said loudly and frequently that you were going to kill someone you could easily be taken into custody. If the police can prevent a crime they wiil. The only problem about waiting for terrorists to kill before we can take action is the is nothing of them left to take action against.

what Michelle doesn't mention
As pointed out in her article, 200 hazmat licesnse were issued in Missouri. What she doesn't say (or know didnt make big news) is twice (that I know of) licencing bureau were broken into, and the blank Missouri licences and the machines to stamp them were stolen.
Also, police cars and ID were stolen at different times. Never recovered.
Now stop and think about that.
The ability to portrait officers, and the ability to make hundreds of completely legitamate looking IDs and licenses and it doesn't make big news at all.

Malkin's Writings On MSM
Per last week, I thought Malkin made her living off of writing only about the Main Stream Media? Though the point posted over and over and over making that point made no sense anyway, it has and was easily disproven.

Kraut
It was Clinton who turned profiling into a bad thing for purely poitical reasons. When he was Gov. of Arkansas, Clinton threatened to ignore a court order to stop profiling. Then he was allowed to hypocritically rail against profiling as President. And as always, the MSM allowed him to get away with this hypocrisy and even logical profiling has become frowned upon.

Thank you Bill Clinton and thank you, once again, Main Stream Media. For the umpteenth time, your politically correct nonsense comes back to hinder common sense and bite us in the a$$.

Bush signs amnisty bill, he is a traitor
The Mexican government trains, aids and abets the Mexican illegals coming here, providing them with printed instructions on avoiding our military & law enforcement and gaming our system, that makes them an official militia. The Mexican government claims there are 20 million of it's citizens here illegally. add the rest of south America into the mix and the number is probably 30 million.


For Bush to sign an amnesty bill for an invading 30 million man militia without firing a shot is treason. Anyone that signs with him will be considered a traitor also. In my opinion if bush signs this bill he will become a criminal like Pinochet.

kimberly must be fat & ugly
to attack Malkin in such a ad hominum way.
Sounds like catty resentment to me.

Speaking of Expired Student Visas . . .
What happened to those 6 Saudi's who got off the plane to go to school in Montana and never made it. I remember hearing they caught them all but don't remember hearing what the back story was. Why did they skip school?

Kimberley
Riverburg, I picture Kimberley as a cross between Molly Ivans, Rosie O'Donnell, and a dash of Eleanor Smeal. In other words... I doubt you'll see her gracing the cover of Vogue magazine anytime soon.

Loyal Dhimmi
Profiling is just common sense. It can keep you from being killed. By the way, The Flying Imams not only committed terrorism on that flight, but they're attempting another one as we speak. They're attempting to shake down US Airways.. probably with a little assist from Keith Ellison. This is how these people work. Do something suspicioius, get called on it, express outrage, claim profiling, put the "haters" on the defensive. Rinse and repeat. Their plan is to soften up the U.S. and make it appear that anyone who reports suspicious behavior is somehow racist, intolerant, xenophobic, etc. And because of people like you, it seems to be working.

Loyal Democrat....
Okay, so the next time there are a bunch of Muslims acting suspicious in an airport terminal, you're just going to hop on the airplane with them?

C'mon, Loyal, they obviously have never done a suicide attack before. Just take your seat and relax.

Something tells me that you don't fly much, or you're a satirist.

Sheesh, don't all you people realize....
...that Islam is a religion of peace? They's NEVER hurt any of us!!!

Kimberly and LD
Blame America first, allow her to be invaded by blood-thirsty terrorists, call her names, and defend all who harm her.

And you, Kimberly, throwing out the usual liberal insults to a conservative, merely because she has an opinion you disagree with.

If you both had your way, Kimberly and Loyal Democrat, America would be no more.

Of course, that has always been the liberal agenda...

What A Ridiculous Joke Of An Article

Swift Meats employs illegal aliens. Wal-Mart employs them and most contractors and restaurants employ them. You think the owners of these businesses vote Democrat?

No, of course not. Republicans have been blocking employer ID-check requirements for decades. Republicans love importing cheap labor for the same reason they love exporting American jobs - profit.

Republicans were so concerned about terrorism and American culture that they've let MILLIONS of illegal aliens into the country since 9/11.

Did they close the borders? Did they ask employers to make a special effort to see if there were illegal aliens in their workforce (the easiest way to find people). No, of course they didn't. Instead, the Bush Administration failed even to investigate the MILLIONS of TAX RETURNS they receive from people using obviously phony Social Security numbers.

Republicans have done everything they can to keep illegal aliens as a source of profit and "investigative journalist" Michelle Malkin finds one guy looking for a driver's license.

Nice job.


Suicidal
Is what 'loyal democrats' are. Problem is, they want to take the rest of us with them.

These are the same 'chicken little' insane asylum escapees who claim the Global Warming sky is falling while igoring the real threat to humanity.

More proof that liberals are some really sick puppies.

And just a point
Once you've obtained a Commercial Vehicle Operator's permit (CVO), and used it obtain a Hazardous Materials Transport permit (HMT), it's very easy to get the latter upgraded from "caustics and explosives" to "medical isotopes". And that means that you are legally qualified to drive a vehicle delivering radioactive materials.

Can you think of a better way to sneak a radioactive-dust enhanced "dirty bomb" into an American city?

Cop at roadblock; "Sir, our detectors show that your vehicle is carrynig radioactive materials."

Jihadist with upgraded HMT; "Of course, sir. I am transporting medical isotopes. Here is the authorization, and the manifest."

Cop; "Oh, I see. Very good. Thank you for your cooperation, sir. Move along, please."

For the record, I have both worked with, and am related to, over-the-road truckers, several of whom had such permits.


cheers

eon

Kimberly:
All I have heard from the left lately is "scare tactics", "politics of fear", "fear mongering" and snippets such as: " all the Republican party has to offer is fear".

Funny, Kimberly, I do remember your buddy John Kerry trying to scare us into voting for him because:

a. Social Security is going to disappear and your grandmother's paycheck is going to stop coming

b. Bush screwed up on the flu vaccine so half of the US population is going to die of influenza

c. Fetuses are going to pop out of the womb of American women and start killing people if we don't abort them

Oh, and let's not forget this last election where the Demos ran on the fear of:

a. Bush is personally listening to your phone calls

b. Bush is waterboarding, handing out Korans to, and overfeeding terrorists, so our own troops and reporters may get waterboarded, given Bibles, and overfed if they are captured (they wish)

c. Congress becoming a totally corrupt institution if the Repubs hold on to it (never mind Alcee Hastings, William Jefferson, and Jack Murtha being either considered or even nominated for leadership posts within the House).

Who sells fear, Kimberly? It sure doesn't seem to be unique to any one party. As usual, the Demos blame the Repubs for being everything that the Demos not only are, but approve of. Next thing you know, the Demos will accuse the Repubs of being racist anti semites.

our new leader
Send Kimberly to negotiate for us with the Islamofacists, and dress her in full burka so as not to inflame them.

Loyal Democrat, Kimberly
You are the BOMB! I love your posts. And I just so ferevently agree I want to have your baby. And I'm a guy -- but, hey, that's a Democrat point of view, isn't it??

Kimberly: I'm pretty sure they have medication for that now.

For Kimberly
You said:You've got to know that is her fondest desire - she has dominatrix written all over her snotty demeanor. And for good measure, she'll throw in blame for 9/11 and the war debacle in Iraq on Nancy Pelosi. Malkin is the perfect wingnut, internment camp witch queen. Such great icons top the list of Rightwing punditry - you must be so proud!

Naturally, liberals can only respond with name calling. And catty namecalling at that. I am female,and I think Michelle is a babe! And smart as hell. That makes her a twofer!

I was talking to a friend of mine in New Mexico the other night who used to be a long haul driver. He now raises racing greyhounds and he is on the road a lot delivering dogs. He told me that every truck stop is full of ragheads. I had no idea that these people were driving the big rigs. Something is very wrong here. This makes me truly scared.

A Couple Of Other Things To Consider:
1. These people are armed. One of the first things an illegal from Sud de Rio Grande purchases is a firearm. Weapon of choice is a 9mm automatic. I am sure someone will explain it away with the 'machismo' of hispanics or the fact they cannot purchase a 9mm pistol in Mexico. But almost every one of the illegals is armed. Pretty good sized invasion force, if you ask me.

2. These people have not been vaccinated. Don't worry about bird flu. These folks are bringing really bad stuff across the border from countries that never had a disease eradication program. Expect to see a resurgence in things the Unted States eradicated in the last century.

12 Million illegal alien armed invasion force.

Possibility of Poliomelitis, Scarlet Fever, Smallpox surfacing in the heartland.

No reason for Presidente Jorge to worry. These folks are ONLY here for jobs No American Will Take, Right?

dlaw
This was not a partisan column. Malkin didn't make this a Republican vs Democrat issue. In her last paragraph she clearly placed at least part of the blame at the feet of our "open borders-friendly White House."

You seem to have missed that.

uncledave
which pre-9/11 terrorist attact are you referring to?...

The Big Explosion revisited

"Sooner or later we will get hit with something big.
I hope when it happens all the whiners about being racist and xenophobia finally stop. What will it take to see the truth of what is gong on?"

Hopefully they'll be standing next to it! They will then have an instant of understanding, but no more whining.


The Big Explosion revisited

"Sooner or later we will get hit with something big.
I hope when it happens all the whiners about being racist and xenophobia finally stop. What will it take to see the truth of what is gong on?"

Hopefully they'll be standing next to it! They will then have an instant of understanding, but no more whining.


Nauseating
The quality of some of the posts here shows an amazing degree of immaturity. What is even worse is that I'd guess that less than 1% of our population even reads and posts to forums such as this.

The ignorance expressed by those who think that trying to SAVE LIVES and secure your nation from those who wear no uniforms and are very crafty in their techniques, is somehow racist or hateful, just depresses me.

If Michelle Malkin is right, we save thousands of innocent lives. If she is wrong, a few individuals are temporarily inconvenienced.

I suspect that the name callers are radicals who do not particularly care for our nation and do not particularly care if we suffer a few attacks. But they can't just come out and say that. They feel that if the USA isn't shaped in their image (socialistic, leftist, liberal) then it isn't worth saving.

They have a profound misunderstanding of the nature of the islamic mindset. It is fine to lie if it is to kill an infidel. It is fine to kill if it is to promote islam. And most of all, it is expected that you use the infidel's silly political correctness against them to kill them.

I'd like to see Kimberly and her cohorts go apply for hazmat licenses in Iran today and see how far they get.

So, dlaw ...
it sounds like from your point of view Dems & Repubs want the same thing for different reasons. The Repbulicans want cheap labor to boos profits so bring on the illegals. The Democrats want more poor people to increase their base so bring on the amnesty for illegals.

Sounds like a win-win for the politicos and a lose-lose for the average joe. Actually, pretty soon it won't be the average Joe. It'll be the average Jose.

"Rand"y
Did you ever notice that the greatest venom is reserved for the attractive conservative females like Malkin and Coulter? I think this is jealousy on the part of less than attractive "liberal" women, on average. Also, the liberal men hate them the most also. I thought conservative males like me were supposed to be closed-minded and sexist. Heck, Coulter and Malkin are normally the first columns I read. Of course, we understand that most liberals are "do as I say, not as I do."--like charity.

Kimberly...

Jeesh! What's the matter, Kimmy? Has the sexual revolution excluded you? Is that why you HATE beautiful conservative women?

Sounds to me like you have more in common with Janet Reno and Madeleine Albright... physically speaking.

Impeach King George
Do we really need foreigners like Malkin on this site? I thought it was for conservative AMERICANS!

"Dubya should be IMPEACHED for trying to sell out America to the ILLEGAL Alien Invasion-- a SHAMEFUL, EGREGIOUS and WILLFUL violation of his oath of office and nonfeasance to defend and protect our borders and preserve the rule of law."

Amen brother. Obviously King George is in favor of the browning of America. He's a disgrace and a menace to his people. And to think I voted for this Mexican-lover twice.

MrGrabber
I couldn't have summed it up any better but let me add one thing. The blissfully ignorant and naive are the first groups of people the Islamists would eradicate.

Primus54
D*MMIT! You need to post a SPEW ALERT when you post stuff like that.

On my blog, on one of the first articles I posted, I compared and contrasted Conservative women like Malkin, Ingraham, Coulter, and Ham to sk*nky libsacks like Helen Thomas, Susan Estrich, Dowd the Crone, Streisand, Sarandon (YAK!).

Only a moronic libdolt with the IQ of tepid water would fail to see the difference.

Just a few comments and suggestions
1. Malkin is so attractive (intellectually and physically) that it makes me wish I was single.

2. Loyal Democrat is so out in left field that he/she makes Kimberly sound like a genius.

3. Excellent quote from Primus54, reminding us that Ronald Reagan was the last great elected leader of our nation

4. raidencraig for President, Goshawk for VP. Gunny G can be our representative to the UN, and conservativeman should be elected to the Supreme Court.

5. See #4 above (seriously)



dlaw
So it was the GOP that was against the National ID card?

Dang, all along I thought it was the Dhimmicrats who railed against it citing things like it would exclude the dead from voting for their favorite Dhimmicrat as well as excluding millions of illegal aliens from voting for the best handout offered from the Jackazz Party.

Snot
LOL!

Yeah, I can see myself horsewhipping idiots like Chavez when they start bashing the USA. Hearing their screams echoing would be sweet music indeed.

When do I start?

liberalism
Liberalism is a sickness. It fits the definition of delusional to a tee: 'a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact.' The reason America is considered weak by the islamofascists is because of political correctness, a byproduct of liberalism. This insanity must stop. The MSM perpetuates this suicidal behavior.

So what is the cure for this ailment? Being attacked on our homeland surely didn't slow it down. It looks as though it was only emboldened by terror.

I believe Bush wants what is best for our country but he is showing symptoms of this debilitating disease called liberalism when it comes to our borders and Iraq. Indeed, who is looking out for us?

uncledave
I don't know what Buck was referring to ( so I assume your 'facts' comment was directed towards him), but I was hoping you were referring to Oklahoma, I just wasn't sure...That situation was different than the current terrorist situation we face today: Murder is murder, that much is true, so there is no justification for what McVeigh did, but religion was never a factor for Timothy - he never killed in the name of any god. He bombed a federal building because he specifically did not like our federal government, knowing full well that he was committing murder in the process. That is different than the estimated 120 MILLION (the currently estimated 10% of the Muslim population that subscribe to the Jihadist philosophy)Muslims who believe it is their duty to Allah to kill as many Americans and Jews as they can, thus reserving themselves a place in Heaven. They do not believe it is murder - They believe they are doing the will of Allah. You cannot reason with people who value martyrdom in death over practicing Islam in life. I believe part of Michelle's point is that due to our lax immigration structure, Jihadist Muslims are taking advantage of this to further their cause. So I don't think your comparison of the two is valid.

uncledave-53
And WHY did McViegh do that? Maybe in revenge for Waco? That is, CLINTON's excesses and Janet Reno's absence of leadership.

McVeigh was (in his mind) fighting a war against a tyrannical federal gov't. He did not hide behind religion. He was wrong and got what he deserved.

I wonder why liberals are so quick to back up scumbags like Tookie, pardon 4 FALN terrorists, work to free Mumia, but ignore people like McVeigh.

Must be that liberal double-standard again with a touch of liberal racism tossed in. After all, Timmy was white and thereofre, not of the oppressed masses that the Dhimicrats are so concerned about.

Profile! Profile! Profile!
I made the mistake of reading the first comment on this very long list (by Loyal Democrat). In that post the first thing LD does (as any person of that party tends to do) is scream "racism."

"Just because a small handful of Muslims committed a crime," says LD, "we are now out to screen anyone of their descent." And LD goes on to claim that we should show how trusting we are by leaving them be.

First off that "Handful" of Muslims did not commit A crime. If you simply take it as illegal acts, they committed dozens of crimes, among them, overstaying their visas, interfering with an airliner's crew, murder (of the pilots and stewardesses) and highjacking an airliner. Never mind the 3,000 or so whom they killed with the planes they had hijacked. At that point it goes from being a simple crime to being a well planned, successfully executed (mostly) military assault. They committed an act of war at the behest of Osama bin Laden.

If we accept the criminal line of thinking (which the Left would prefer) we do, in fact, have to wait for another and another 9-11 to do anything about it. Unfortunately, the terrorists manage to escape earthly justice by killing themselves in the process (though, I have a feeling they will be surprised when they get to the "great beyond". Something tells me they aren't going to have the 72 virgins they think they are getting.)

The other problem here is that we aren't dealing with a tiny handful of guilty muslims among a vast majority of relatively decent people. The cartoon riots are evidence of that, as are the Nigerian beauty pageant riots from a couple of years ago. (When the MC of the Miss Nigeria Pageant noted that even the "Prophet" Muhammad would want to mary the beautiful women. For that there was rioting in the streets of Lagos for days afterward.) Some estimates are that roughly 10% of the Muslim population is made up of terrorists or potential terrorists (those that hate the West enough to die for the sake of killing infidels). Even if that's accurate (and I'd bet it's much, much higher) there's about a billion Muslims in this world, 10% is 100 million. That's an awfully big handful. That's one potential terrorist for every three Americans.

Islam, as expressed through most clerics, is antithetical to everything we stand for. Where we love freedom, they condemn it. Where we accept religious diversity, they slaughter infidels and, especially apostates. Where we try to spread peace, they make a concerted effort to sow violence. You never see American patriots rioting and burning buildings when Michael Moore releases a piece of treasonous, pro-terrorist, anti-American propaganda. Hollywood doesn't burn when it releases movies that are directly blasphemous or sacrilegous to Christians. But publish a neutral cartoon showing Muhammad, and watch the fireworks, litterally.

We are talking about a culture that has spent a generation violently expressing their hatred of us. Not Christians, not Jews (though they are thrown into the mix, to be sure), but specifically the United States. They HATE us. They HATE what we stand for. They wish to do us grave harm. They wish to kill as many of us as they can. Their religion calls on them to "Kill the infidel wherever he is found." They are commanded by their god to convert, subjugate, or kill anyone who doesn't accept Allah as God and Muhammad as the Messenger of Allah.

If we wait for every terrorist to actually go through with his attack, we (a) will never punish anyone and (b) will lose an inordinate number of innocent, American lives, sacrificed to Allah and the god of diversity.

HJG

Goshawk
Like you, I have a large collection of form letters and even Christmas cards from some Legislators but nothing is ever done.
Some form letters do not even apply to the subject of me letter.
I doubt the person they pay to read our letters does more that just glance at them and assign a form letter.

We need a way to distribute flyers to enlighten and involve the general public who do not see the harm being done to our Nation.

Happy Jake
I could not have said it any better!

Beware of Illegal Aliens Seeking...
Random thoughts: why are terrorists using middle eastern names to do their dirty work? And what will stop terrorists from hiring illegal Mexicans to drive for them?

Frog
You get it.

Uncledave
Who's talking about just Mexico? Check out San Salvador, Dominican Repbl'c, Chile and a host of other South American nations from which all these folks come.

New Law
I hereby propose a law that shooting an illegal alien can no longer be called murder. At most the shooter should be cited for firing a weapon within the city limits.

Sarcasm=off

Got to stop this somehow, and one of the big things would be true immigration reform that takes away the sop to the unions requiring businesses to sign a certificate stating that no American can be found with the qualifications to do the job.

Something must be done and the borders must be secured.


This is how it should be...
One hundred years ago, US President Roosevelt stated the following:

Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

WHAT THE H E L L HAPPENED?

It's too bad that we cant or at least shouldn't ignore people like Loyal Dimmy. Proactivity is absolutely required. Get your undies in a bunch, WE DON'T CARE!

Being labeled Racist
I correct people all of the time when they accuse me of being racist. I tell them I'm a bigot and not a racist. A Bigot doesn't want to have to learn spanish, pay for anchor babies, watch hospital go insolvent or have their identity stolen. A racist doesn't want the immigrant to live period. Given that the term racist is exclusively used I guess I'm willing to learn!

Conflicted interests
Some Islamicists would like to convert us all, and some are afraid of us. I think some want to scare us into converting, some want us gone.

This could be interesting--think about what a really large Muslim community in the US would do for the whole center of gravity in a "Dar es-Islam" world. Whatever, it would be totally different that anything they can imagine now. Which is probably scary--for them.

dlaw
You say "Michelle finds one guy looking for a driver's license".

Read her book "Invasion", and even you should be shocked. But of course you won't be. The research in that book (on illegal immigration) is stunning, and contained facts and information that made me want to literally scream out loud.

Pat Buchanan's book "State of Emergency" is another stunning book on illegal immigration.
Both are must reads.

Watching Fox the other night, I saw a couple of politicians giving out the comment line number of the White House, asking people to call with their objections (I can't recall the subject). I didn't take down the number, but maybe someone could get it and post it.

Goshawk I tried to link a site to this one, but was unsuccessful. Thanks for your help, and I will ask my son to actually show me how. In the meantime, everyone should go to:

immigrations human cost dot org

and Goshawk if you want to post this as a link please do so as it would be easier for commenters to just click on it. Thanks.

Rallies
We should all start organizing peaceful public rallies in our towns, holding up large banners, saying:

Mr. President, No Amnesty
Mr. President, Deport the Illegals
Mr. President, No Anchor Babies
Mr. President, No Amnesty
Mr. President, Secure the Border
Mr. President, ...

We complain that we're not heard. When was the last time we saw a rally (or multiple town/state rallies) organized by the peaceful right, stating our case.

We see the left organizing rallies and making themselves heard in a big way. Let's just do it!!!! Let's do it the right way. Find out if we need a permit to do it. Call all print press and your local TV stations letting them know. Post it in your local newspaper as an upcoming event.

Let's stop the talking and start the action.

CC
As per your request, the here is the link.

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/

Rallies???
To CC The reason we on the right don't have rallies is because we have to go to work to suport the freeloaders and racial arsonists who are always protesting. Sorry I can't make it on weekends either, I have a part time job to pay the salaries of all the gutless politians.

Nawhs
You asked "What the hell happened." The Liberals and Political Correctness happened! In their push to replace our culture with Socialism, they will destroy all norms that went before them. Divide and conquer being one of their main weapons.

To them, we can't just be Americans. We have to be labeled, Africa-Americans, Asian-Americans, Hispanics (which is an all encompassing term) etc. Along with the demands that their is no need to assimilate. Rather we should except these various cultures
and their native flags as equal, if not better than our own. The exact opposite of what Roosevelt stated.

Liberals are the enemy within!

Uncledave
My last smallpox vaccination was over 40 years ago in the Navy. The last smallpox scare in the US informed us there was not enough vaccine to go around, since we had eradicated the disease back in the last century. I am not sure how many people in this country have had the Poliomalitis vaccine but since it was also eradicated 40+ years ago I would venture to say not too many under the age of 40. I seem to have had this dialogue with another poster a few days ago. I am not trying to hype anyone but the fact that up until a few years ago I lived in a neighborhood populated by illegals not only from Mexico but points South and I know of which I speak. Take it or leave it.

Loyal democrap:
Do you know how to read, let alone discern from the words you read, what is being communicated? Michelle is writing about your type. You refer to the 9/11 attack, performed by a “few” Muslims (who happen to kill nearly 3000 people), as a crime. It was an act of war and Bin Laden has stated as much. Your type won’t wake up until you are controlled by the “radical” Islamists and made to where burqas. That is if you’re allowed to wake up and be given the chance to “convert”.

WOW Michelle, we are in deeper doodoo than even I thought.

Loyal democrap: P.S,
Muslims are not a race but a religion. So we are not racists but concerned Americans trying to idntify an enemy to cowardly to fight outwardly but in secret, as terrorists, to prevent them from blowing the hell out of you and your relatives.

Bipartisan fear is OK
Look a little paranoia is good. This may be a sly way of adding sub-text and fear about Mexican illegals I don't know. Republicans and Dems for some reason don't want to secure the boarder? Lets not get racist, but lets not be stupid, we have eyes ears and brains so lets use them. Illegal aliens of any type should NOT have a driver licenses much less Hazmat approval, regardless of the facts or truth of the article. I hope the goverment is doing something intelligent about it. With that said I doubt terrorist are going to get a Hazmat license to do their dirty work. (YES SECURE THE BOARDER, WRITE YOUR REPS IN DC AND DEMAND IT OR VOTE THEM OUT REGARDLESS OF PARTY. It has nothing to do with Mexicans. They can still come, just come legally.)

FlyingFin
Great reply to Loyal Dhimmicrat and 110% correct.

These vermin are like roaches. They come out in the dark and hide when the light is shined on them.

They hide their weaponry in people's homes under threat of death and in mosques, don't wear identifying uniforms, and use women and kids as shields.

Real brave fighters.

Contact
I went to Lou Dobbs' website (which is awesome) and found the contact info right there. (Also about contacting the White House and DOJ regarding the two border agents, Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean, who were sent to prison for doing their job.)

Let them know how you feel about the agents and illegal immigration:

White House
email: comments at white house dot com
Tel: 202-456-1111

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales
email: ask doj at usdoj dot gov
Tel: 202-514-2001

There is a hilarious song on the site by Johhny Tex and Texicans, and a great article on PC.

Thank you goshawk, and if you want to post the above links, please go ahead! I'll have my son help me with this!






GOSHAWK AND CC
Unless conservatives take to the street it will be business as usual in Washington. Only the sight of millions of bodies will get their attention. Yes, we are busy, but to do less is to risk everything. WE NEED ORGANIZERS!

ringmaster
"The reason we on the right don't have rallies is because we have to go to work to suport the freeloaders and racial arsonists who are always protesting. Sorry I can't make it on weekends either, I have a part time job to pay the salaries of all the gutless politians."

People like you are why we keep losing on issues such as abortion, gay rights, immigration, and the War in Iraq.

All talk and no action.

ringmaster
If you had tried harder, you wouldn't need that second job. It's your own fault, not the politicians. Don't try to pass the buck.

CC
Glad to help. Here you go...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales
http://www.usdoj.gov/contact-us.html

Grateful American
I believe in spite of all the talk. That's what it will have to come down to.

goshawk
Thanks!

Grateful American
So let's get it going. We need a lot of heads, ideas and organization. Where do we start, and who's in?


CC
I'm in, but I don't know how to organize it. We need someone with group and organizaton contacts. Anyone out there?

Grateful American
Thanks! Let's get a momentum going, keep it going, and ask for all the help we can get, at every opportunity, as I'm also not sure how to organize, but we will do it. Let's think about this tonight.

Raidencraig
Great post, and thanks for the pep talk! We need it to get motivated, organized and keep it going. Took note of your earlier great post which is a really good guideline to start with, and will check out each link.

What we leave for our children and grandchildren is going to be on our shoulders.


Goshawk
I admire you for all the efforts you've made. Maybe, just maybe, if 90% of those who share your views were adding their phone calls and letters to yours, the White House and Congress would begin to represent the rest of America, those of us who want to preserve our country.

In my opinion, they are generally an arrogant lot, caught up in a political web of "You pat my back and I'll pat yours". Who could name, with certainty, one honest politician?

You have concluded that like-minded people are going to have to gather together in numbers and physically excoriate these so-called representatives. I have said the same thing in other posts. Even those who are Republicans and self-proclaimed conservatives turn a deaf ear to those who elected them.

Would I be way off the mark to call this taxation WITHOUT representation?

Goshawk
I reply to your comment that there is a lack of an American leader to take charge. I've thought about this myself. There are plenty of conservative-minded folks who host radio and TV programs. Without a conservative audience, they wouldn't be on the air.

They have the advantage of reaching out to millions of people. Instead of just letting us know what Washington and the liberal left has done recently to undermine our values, they could come out from behind the mike and lead a needed revolt.

sgtmajorbrad
Sorry to disagree with you, but your reasons for saying you are a bigot just don't fly.

English is our national language, not Spanish or any other.

A law that says that babies born here to illegals are American citizens? Bad law.

Illegals have NO right to free U.S. medical care? Well, why should they? I was born in this country and I don't have that right!

This is not bigotry, it's common sense.

Just in case any of you do not know,
The explosive power of a full tanker of gasoline is phenomenal. Unfortunately, Lima, Ohio recently found out how much energy is contained in a full tanker of gasoline. A local Doctor, a good Christian Man with a wife and eight children recently died in an accident with a fuel tanker. The doctor was charged with running the light and colliding with the tanker.
There was controversy as that light had given green lights in both directions previously.
In any case, the tanker jack-knifed and began leaking the 8500 gallons of gasoline onto the ground and into new storm drains recently installed on the new roadway.
The truck driver and the doctor's 14 year-old daughter got out safely but the doctor was pinned in his Suburban. The truck somehow ignited and blew up. Fire crews could not extiguish the blaze for hours. Everything in the intersection was ruined including the 10" thick paved roadway, storm drains, overhead lights, and wiring. This was just a large intersection.
Now picture this scenario in a parking garage under a skyscraper, or inside a packed sports arena.
Get the picture? Illegal ALIENS must be prevented from obtaining licenses of any kind.

Harmony
Thanks for the kind words. However, I think I'm only one of many thousands of Americans that write in to cast an opinion on a vote or to protest a wrongful bill. Or to protest some judge rewriting the Constitution to benefit his buddies in private enterprise. And of course, re-interpreting law to suit Liberals at every turn.

The problem is, it's very easy for the politicians in general, to ignore the individual citizen. They know that the average individual can do nothing on their own. So.. ignore them, they'll go away. That's why I strongly believe that concerned Americans will only see results if they organize in mass.

Others like CC and Grateful American have questions about getting an organization started. I know nothing more about it than they. But I do think that it must start with the individual and a dedication to the cause. I would suggest that the individual begin talking to their immediate Friends and neighbors to get a feeling of their thoughts and ideas, gathering supporters along the way. As they grow in numbers they could spread throughout a town, then the counties, then the state eventually all states.

As far as a Leader is concerned, I think it must start with each individual being his own leader. Once an area has several members a single leader can be elected. Then several areas can elect a leader an so on. It would be essential that all leaders stay in contact with one another through E-Mail or however they can.

Harmony..Your suggestion of enlisting the help of Radio,TV etc. is a good one. But not until the movement has grown to large to stop. In fact in the beginning the less public attention the better. Because there are those out there that will do all they can to stop such an organization. Anyway, that's just my opinion.

uncledave
"The point is the Neocons and thier mouthpeices are feeding US fear of swarthy people,while they pork US up the wazoo."

Your statement above is rather obtuse - "Neocons": who exactly?, "mouthpieces": again, who?, "feeding fear of swarthy people"?: what exactly is a 'swarthy person'??

Fear comes from two things: 1) the outcome of a previous experience. For this, I will refer you to http://www.thereligionofpeace.com, where you can look at your leisure at the list of Muslim based aggression around the world. It's quite eye-opening. 2)the unknown - meaning: we have seen what they have done in the past and we don't know what they will do in the future.

"A terrorist is a terrorist no matter what He/She looks like or hails from."

I agree wholeheartedly with this statement. This is the issue: All Muslims are not terrorists, but 95% of terrorists ARE Muslim. It never ceases to amaze me how the liberal left always manages to turn a blind eye to that fact. Let's wrap some perspective around it: Let's say one of your family members was on the operating table and the surgeon told you there was a 95% chance that they would not survive - would you be happy or sad? Again, let's say your investor said they had an investment for you that would return a 95% profit - would you give them your money or not? that is asignificant statistic and it is always ignored for the sake of "political correctness". I would challenge you to find a Hindu, Buddhist, Atheist, Agnostic, etc. group that engages terror with those numbers.

"The NeoCons want You to fear certain people while Your white neighbor can blow your child to pieces."

really?? are you seriously saying it is white people we should be afraid of?? please tell me you don't honestly believe this...

McVeigh - One person
Jihadist Muslims - over 100 Million people...
no comparison

Loyal Democrat
Do you honestly mean to tell us that if you were on a flight where six persons boarded and behaved in the way that the imams did, you wouldn't have noticed? It wouldn't have made you just a little nervous? You wouldn't rather have erred on the side of safety? What if the 9/11 hijackers had raised similar doubts in security personnel and not been allowed to board that day?

goshawk and raidencraig
I'm so encouraged too at the interest. Goshawk, your ideas are excellent and we should start exactly as you say, along with raidencraig's also excellent ideas of hammering the politicians with letters, emails, phone calls, etc., as well as starting a peaceful but effective grass roots movement to get our voices heard and spread all over the country.

When we have enough people, and this whole thing will take time and plenty of effort by everyone, we could come to the point where we too have a national day of peaceful "protest".

I think the leader idea is good - just like a democracy - start with ourselves and our own groups, then go from level to level until there actually is a "movement" leader, then we can go to the radio, TV, etc.

Let's all be thinking about an eventual leader, although this may develop as we go along. And I agree, I think we should keep in touch by email, and in the meantime, perhaps, meet at this site until we get more organized. Input welcome!

Thanks so much !

Peppermint's link...
got broken up...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/12/AR2006121200525_pf.html

Hopefully, this one will come through TH's software just fine.

~~SassafrasTea

LOSE THE BLINKERS
A Nimrod with the nick "Loyal Democrat" wrote right at the top of this blog: "[T]here is NO reason at all to think that a Muslim is any more prone to terrorist acts than anyone else of another culture or religion. To think otherwise is totally racist and without any justification."

Really? Just go read their scriptures, ya knobspank.

Western academics and media commentators wedded to the fashionable doctrine of multiculturalism continue to label Islamic terrorists a handful of fringe extremists giving a bad name to an otherwise “peaceful” religion.

By thinking in their own cultural terms instead of researching the true nature of Islam, they have allowed themselves to be persuaded by glib Muslim apologists that the word “jihad” means nothing more than a “spiritual struggle against sin.”

Our governing doctrine of multiculturalism and its underlying assumption that violence always arises from rational grievances obscures the fact that Islamic terrorism is a problem rooted within the Muslim religion itself.

Allah’s Book, the Koran, lacks
context or chronology. Adjacent verses are unrelated and often contradictory. It is only by rearranging the Koran in the order that it was revealed and infusing it with the context of the chronological Hadith narratives penned after Muhammed's death by Ishaq, Tabari, Bukhari and Muslim that the book begins to make sense. These works provide the missing chronological and contextual account of Muhammed’s life and the formation of Islam. Together with the Koran, they make up the body of Islamic scripture.

Those asserting Islam is a “religion of peace” will selectively quote Koran 2: 256: "There is no compulsion in religion" and Koran 25: 63: “The worshippers of the All-Merciful [Allah] are those who tread the earth gently and, when the ignorant speak to them, they reply ‘Peace.’” These are suras (verses) of the early period, when Mohammed was living in Mecca, with few followers, and still trying to convert unbelievers by persuasion.

What the deceivers don’t tell us is that according to Islamic doctrine, the Koran’s earlier suras are overwritten by Muhammed’s subsequent revelations once he was strong enough to disclose his real agenda. As recorded in the Koran and other Islamic scripture, these plainly state that unceasing warfare against non-believers is a key pillar of mainstream Islam. While there are undoubtedly many peaceful Muslims, any Muslim who closely follows Islamic doctrine is far from peaceful.

Bukhari: V1B2N25 makes clear that next to “Islam” or submission to Allah, the highest Muslim duty is to “jihad” or holy war. “Allah’s Apostle was asked, ‘What is the best deed?’ He replied, ‘To believe in Allah and His Apostle Muhammad.’ The questioner then asked, ‘What is the next best in goodness?’ He replied, ‘To participate in Jihad, religious fighting in Allah's Cause.’”

Muslims are ordered to fight and kill until Islam is the only religious and political institution. Koran 8:39 enjoins: "Fight them [non-Muslims] till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam" and at Koran 9: 5: “Fight and kill the unbelievers wherever ye shall find them.”

Koran 4: 95 excuses Muslims whose circumstances (age, gender, infirmity) mean they can’t actively engage in jihad, though they still have a duty to fund it. Jihadists, however, are accorded the greater status: “Allah has granted a rank higher to those who strive hard, fighting Jihad with their wealth and bodies to those who sit (at home). Unto each has Allah promised good, but He prefers Jihadists who strive hard and fight above those who sit home. He has distinguished his fighters with a huge reward.”

Koran 9: 44 confirms that Muslims cannot escape their jihadist obligation: “Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day do not ask for an exemption from fighting with your goods and persons. And Allah knows well those who do their duty.”

Koran 9: 68 describes those failing in this duty as “Hypocrites,” warning that they will suffer the same fate in the afterlife as unbelievers: “Allah has promised the Hypocrites, both men and women, and the unbelievers the Fire of Hell for their abode: Therein shall they dwell. It will suffice them. On them is the curse of Allah, and an enduring punishment, a lasting torment.”

Koran 5:33 expounds further upon the fate of unbelievers and Hypocrites: "Those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger [refuse to accept Islam] and who do mischief [non-Islamic behaviour] in the land … shall be killed or crucified, or their hands and their feet shall be cut off on opposite sides, or they shall be exiled. That is their disgrace in this world, and a dreadful torment is theirs in Hell."

The above quotes have not been taken out of context to malign a religion followed by 1.2 billion people. They provide a brief sample of the repeated exhortations in Islamic scripture calling upon believers to engage in violence and terrorism in Allah’s cause. As the Koran and its associated commentaries make clear, such behaviours are based on core Islamic doctrine. It is Muslims favouring peaceful co-existence with other religions in secular, plural democracies who in fact merit the title “radicals” and “extremists.”

Judged by the words of its own Prophet, Islam cannot be compared to other belief systems. It would be hard to find a more hateful, intolerant collection of writings than that contained in Islamic scripture. Yet Muslims continue to insist that the God of the Koran is the God of the Bible.

If one “messenger's” message was the opposite of the other’s then they couldn't have been speaking for the same God. Compare Muhammed’s violent, expansionist world view as set out above to Christ’s words as recorded in the Gospels, “I say unto you: Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you. Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also … And as ye would that men should do unto you, do ye also unto them likewise.’” (Luke 6: 27-31, KJV)

Islam is not a “live-and-let live” religion looking to peacefully win converts. It seeks instead to impose itself on unbelievers by force, though it is not yet sufficiently well established in most Western countries to openly pursue this objective. As such, it is a terrorist manifesto.

Why do Muslims continually say otherwise? Islam explicitly condones lying to non-Muslims for strategic advantage and entering into treaties with them that one never intends to observe. Muslims call this "holy deception." As Bukhari: V4B52N268 informs us: "Allah's Apostle said, 'War [against unbelievers] is deceit.'" And at Bukhari: V7B67N427: "The Prophet said, 'If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath.'" Koran 9:3 is similarly revealing: "Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations [if this furthers Islam]" as is Koran 66:1 "Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows [if this furthers Islam]."

Islam is the only major religion that does not require absolute truthfulness and teaches its followers to do to non-believers what Muslims themselves find objectionable if done to them.

Contrast the Koran’s “ends justifies the means” endorsement of falsehood with the Bible’s unequivocal 9th Commandment: “Thou shalt not lie” (Exodus 20: 2-17) then ask yourself again if the God of the Koran is really the God of the Bible as Muhammed wants us to believe.

All followers of Islam, “moderate” or otherwise, divide the world into two: the Dar-al-Islam and the Dar-al-Harb. The former, the house of submission, is that part of the world where Islamic governments and Islamic law prevail: the latter, the house of war, is the rest of the world that has yet to fall under the Islamic scimitar.

Muslim propagandists carefully select their words to mask this fact when talking to Westerners and non-Muslims. While they really do mean and believe that Islam is a peaceful religion, this comes with an unspoken qualifier. Islam is only a “religion of peace” once all the infidels have been forcibly converted to Islam or been killed by Muslims for refusing to do so.

In the context of this article, a single example of deliberate Muslim misdirection will suffice: "[T]here is nothing in the Koran or the Islamic faith that encourages people to be cruel or to be vicious or to be criminal," said Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations. "Muslims worldwide know that for sure."

Such statements are strictly for non-Muslim consumption. Egyptian-born Nonie Darwish, an ex-Muslim whose father founded the terrorist Fedayeen in Gaza, had her own recent rejoinder for deceivers like Awad: "In the Arab world we were only taught one meaning for jihad, and that is: A religious holy war against infidels and armed struggle against anyone who is not a Muslim."

Why do so-called “peaceful” Muslims not publicly condemn the violence of their more radical brothers and the liars who cover for them? The majority are passive supporters who agree with what’s being done to the infidels but don’t want to get their own hands dirty. Arab television shows thousands of these gleeful, slogan-shouting fanatics dancing in the streets and firing rifles in the air after every terrorist outrage. The minority are simply scared.

In the Koran's 5th sura, the final revelation chronologically, Allah ordered Muslims "not to question the Koran." Those who did, he said, "discarded their religion." Bukhari V4B52N260 is unequivocal regarding the fate of recalcitrants: “The Prophet said, ‘If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him.’” Koran 4:114 is one of many suras warning that “apostates” are also punished in the afterlife: “He who disobeys the Apostle after guidance has been revealed will burn in Hell.”

The establishment of Islam in the West is fundamentally inconsistent with Western institutions and values, and must be resisted with every means at our disposal. Our ongoing failure to grasp the nature of this doctrine that turns men into deceitful killers means such men could eventually destroy Western civilisation in the service of their totalitarian religion.

If Western culture is not to fall to militant Islam, Islamic terrorism must be recognised as part of an undeclared war of religious ideology, one not of our own making. Since Islam cannot be reformed, we have essentially two choices: Either Islam must be quarantined, or it must be destroyed and replaced with a religious philosophy that is genuinely conducive to peace.

Both options involve hard choices, but quarantine must be regarded as the better and far more peaceful course. It would involve ending Muslim immigration, restricting travel to and from Muslim countries, outlawing Islam as a hate organisation in Western nations (just as most Muslim states outlaw Judaism and Christianity), the immediate deportation of convicted Muslim terrorists and their families, and ending our dependence on Middle Eastern oil.

The second option involves nuclear weapons and catastrophic consequences for hundreds of millions of people. If Iran gets the bomb and uses it, the second option may be in play.

A more subversive strategy of Islamic jihadists is for Muslims to migrate to non-Muslim countries for the purpose of spreading Islam. Their ultimate goal is to destroy the West and bring it forcibly into the Islamic world. Such migrants have no intention whatsoever of integrating or adopting Western values and culture.

As former Muslim, Ali Sina confirms in his book Islam and Understanding the Muslim Mind: “Muslims will never assimilate … for to do so would mean they would essentially have to relinquish their faith, to compromise for something that cannot be abided, nor allowed under Islam, which is full acceptance of the equality between Muslim and non-Muslim.”

The number of Muslims living in the West is increasing rapidly, not just from immigration, but because Muslim families are reproducing almost three times faster than Westerners. Current birth rates mean that in a few decades, Muslims will swamp us demographically. That’s why Islam is the world’s fastest-growing religion, not because hordes of non-Muslims are converting to it.

Even if we win some kind of military victory in the war on terror, we will still almost certainly lose the "population war." Our ultimate challenge is the Islamic demographic explosion, which threatens to overrun the already dwindling populations of many Western countries.

Sina warns: “Once the Muslim population becomes a majority or even a near-majority within any nation, they no longer will have to accept, nor seek compromise, in upholding human rights of non-Muslims or in maintaining equality with the non-Muslim population. At that point, once they have achieved political dominance and secured power, they would be expected to move quickly to terminate all freedoms. Non-Muslim citizens, living in their own native countries would be relegated to second-class citizens, or worse, be persecuted …”

With every new baby born to a Muslim family in the West, the threat of Islam grows, while the hope for democracy and freedom dwindles. Each new Muslim birth in the west increases the pace of that threat exponentially. This threat should be taken more seriously than the threat of terrorism.

We should also be aware that there is a bigger picture. Militant Islam is being used by Russia, China, and North Korea to wage a proxy war against America, Israel, and Western culture and values. It is these countries that supply Muslim states with their armaments, and their terrorist groups with training.

Modern Islamic radicalism traces back direct to the Islamic Brotherhood (a front for Marxist-Leninist agitprop amongst Arab university students), which was set up in the 1920s after Stalin identified Islam as a force that could be harnessed and directed to serve Soviet regional aspirations.

The Communists later recognised that Islam could be mobilised into a dialectical conflict with Western culture and values on a far broader stage. If your goal is a one-world Socialist state, you can march a long way beside those whose goal is a one-world global theocracy before you must part company.

GunnyG, Hisfool, FlyingFin, Noelegy, All
If Loyal Democrat gets his/her jollies by playing the devil's advocate, I suggest we ignore this poster.

Otherwise he/she has provided us with a Poster Child of the liberal left---a glaring example of their twisted thinking.

And then there's Kimberley, the pop-up poster.
In her desperate desire for attention, she hangs out at Townhall, for one.

Children demand attention. They will resort to being naughty if they think that's the only way they'll get it...an accurate description of Kim.

For anyone who wants to play the game, go to it1

Correction to my previous post
...go to it!

PUPPY CHEN
Your posting should be required reading for every American and Westerner. It is the most comprehensive analysis of Islam and its implications for the West. I hope you submit the postings as a commentary to major newspapers where it can receive the visibilty it deserves.

Pelosi Targets Grassroots Freedom
Of Speech! As I mentioned in a post above, there are those that will try and stop our grassroots movement. But I didn't think it would come so quick from our government. That is also why I said the movement must be done without attracting attention. Any such illegal regulations must be ignored. Check out the link.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18510


Thought Police
To: Jonathan Garthwaite

I am troubled by this, and hope it's what raidencraig suggested, that it was a software glitch, and not what goshawk suggested, that the government is already somehow involved.

I discovered the blogosphere in recent months, and have enjoyed participating in debate, posting comments, swapping opinions and ideas, etc. I was under the impression that the privacy policy was strictly enforced. I don't want to feel uncomfortable posting comments that, while the whole world can read them, could lead to my personal information being given out.

I would like your reassurance on this, Mr. Garthwaite, please, and would appreciate an email from you explaining.

I am not advocating anything illegal or violent. From the start of this discussion, I suggested we check into how we would go about letting our voices be heard, including getting a permit, and reiterating that anything done would be "peaceful". I'm a grandmother, not an anarchist.

I remember the day the illegal immigrants marched and demonstrated, loudly proclaiming that "today we march, tomorrow we vote", and wondered what we were doing to make our voices heard so publicly, because every stood up and took notice.

I look forward to hearing from you. Thank you.


CC
It seems my post about Pelosi. Upset you a bit. However, I did not mean in any way that the government had anything to do with Townhall disappearing column problems. I posted the link to the Pelosi article to stand on it's own merit.

Although the government monitors many web sites for security reasons I doubt if they would have anything to do with removing a column. At least, I would hope so.

merry_go_ boy
Thanks for the invite. I will be getting in touch with you. And as I mentioned, I feel that it is an absolute must that all who truly care for their country. (Not just absorbed in and excusing their political party.) need to organize or nothing will change.

Goshawk
I was not at all upset with you personally, and realized later you had posted the link on the Pelosi article to make a point, not necessarily related to this site and article, and the disappearance of it for a short time!

It makes sense that the government monitors websites for security reasons, and so they should. I have no problem admitting that I'm all for profiling, treating printed leaks as treason, etc.

I am enormously concerned about the southern border for national security reasons, as well as the obvious illegal invasion. The town that I and my family live in is being overrun with illegal aliens, and I fear for the future of my young granddaughters. I used to enjoy taking long walks, now I tend to take shorter ones, looking over my shoulder. The crime rate here has increased simultaneously with the huge influx of illegals.

Merry go boy
I did go and check out Paul Weyrich's article and as you said, it seemed to be in response to this column. He has great ideas.

CC
I share your concerns. And feel that things will get much worse before they get better. Hang in there!

Loyal Democrat, Loyal Democrat!!
"Loyal Democrat writes: Wednesday, December, 13, 2006 1:32 AM
Just How Racist Are We Going To Get?"

You and your party are still stuck in the Sixties fighting the battles of the Sixties. What's next for you guys -- a government subsidy to bring back the hula hoop?
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