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Wednesday, November 15, 2006
Michelle Malkin :: Townhall.com Columnist
How Democrats "clean house"
by Michelle Malkin
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Remember how Nancy Pelosi exploited the female card before the midterm elections? "Maybe it will take a woman to clean up the House and a new speaker to restore civility," she bragged.

Women, she implied, do a better job than men because we presumably know how to get down on our hands and knees and scrub the mold and mildew out of every corner and crevice of our own domiciles.

But from the way she's acting, Nancy Pelosi doesn't know spic from span. She's conducting Beltway business as usual, just like the good old boys she demonized throughout the campaign. (Madame Pelosi just happens to do it in an Armani aqua blue-gray pantsuit that gets thumbs-up from obsequious Washington fashion writers.)

Well, a back-scratching corruptocrat in pastel is still a back-scratching corruptocrat. Case in point: Which congressman is Mrs. Clean considering as chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence? Impeached federal judge Rep. Alcee Hastings, D-Fla., who took bribes, lied under oath and was kicked off the bench.

And which colleague is she backing for House majority leader? One of Congress's leading dirtbags: Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa.

As if his extremist cut-and-run war strategery weren't bad enough, Murtha's (un)ethical record is enough to make even liberal apologists blush.

Unfortunately, Murtha's defeated opponent, Diana Irey, couldn't get folks to pay enough attention to his Abscam past during the campaign. But now that he is poised to assume the speakership and all its attendant perks and privileges, the Abscam scandal is front and center.

In 1980, Murtha was an unindicted co-conspirator in a massive bribery probe -- in which undercover FBI agents videotaped Murtha entertaining a $50,000 bribe from agents posing as emissaries for Arab sheiks trying to enter our country illegally. Democrat defenders of Murtha scoff that the story is "old news." (Liberal math: Abscam story from 1980 equals "old news." Bush National Guard story from 1973 equals "new news.")

But only recently have we been reminded of Abscam transcripts that paint an even uglier picture of Murtha than the short snippet of publicly available FBI video in which Murtha turned down the bribe. As noted by The American Spectator, an old Jack Anderson column reported these little-noticed parts of Murtha's conversation with the undercover agents:

"I want to deal with you guys awhile before I make any transactions at all, period. . . . After we've done some business, well, then I might change my mind. . . . "

. . . "I'm going to tell you this. If anybody can do it -- I'm not B.S.-ing you fellows -- I can get it done my way." he boasted. "There's no question about it." . . .

But the reluctant Murtha wouldn't touch the $50,000. Here on secret videotape was this all-American hero, tall and dignified in a disheveled way, explaining why he wasn't quite ready to accept the cash.

"All at once," he said, "some dumb [expletive deleted] would go start talking eight years from now about this whole thing and say [expletive deleted], this happened. Then in order to get immunity so he doesn't go to jail, he starts talking and fingering people. So the [S.O.B.] falls apart." . . .

"You give us the banks where you want the money deposited," offered one of the bagmen.

"All right," agreed Murtha. "How much money we talking about?"

"Well, you tell me."

"Well, let me find out what is a reasonable figure that will get their attention," said Murtha, "because there are a couple of banks that have really done me some favors in the past, and I'd like to put some money in. . . . ["]

So much for restoring cleanliness and civility, eh, Nancy?

Abscam isn't Murtha's only ethics cloud.

Defense industry lobbyist Paul Magliocchetti, a former colleague of Murtha's who worked as a senior staffer on the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee, has reportedly funneled some $300,000 in campaign contributions to Murtha over the last three election cycles -- either through his company, PMA, or its clients. They've reaped rich rewards: In 2006 alone, PMA clients received at least 60 earmarks worth some $95 million. Murtha also aided Democrat Congressman Alan Mollohan, who remains embroiled in a federal contracting corruption probe.

In 1992, Bill Clinton pledged to run the most ethical administration in history. We know how that went. Fourteen years later, Nancy Pelosi has recycled the pledge -- and is now well on her way to recycling the same old soiled legacy.

A friendly woman-to-woman tip to Nancy Pelosi: To clean a house, you take the garbage out, not in.

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Nice article.
But wait, I'm confused. The MSM told me that all the Republicans were the corrupt ones!

They just can't restrain themselves
They've got over a month before they actually take power and their already p*ssing in the bathwater. Yep, those new conservative "Blue Dog Democrat" freshmen members are sure having a lot of input on how the new house is going to work isn't it? Between this, and the revival of Hillarycare, this could be the fastest melt down of an overreaching band of politicians ever witnessed by mankind. Crash positions everyone!

How retro,
to say that House cleaning is woman's work. Hardly the sort of Billie Jean King attitude we'd expect from a liberated woman. But then again, woman's lib, as we're finding out in the re-education camps of CNN and NBC, has surprisingly more to do with an*l intercourse than with birth control. What? -- you find that vulgar? Indeed, all corruption is vulgar.

Murtha turns out to be another Studds, then. You recall Studds? Studds the boy-lover? No, I don't mean Foley ... work with me, will you?

http://forgottenprophets.blogspot.com/2006/10/mark-foley-and-company.html

If you haven't caught on by now, corrupt dems get re-elected. Corrupt Republicans get thrown out of office, and bring their party down with them. Somehow this seems fitting. It has to do with standards. It has to do with keeping a clean house.

Alas, the jackasses of both parties continually turn the House into the Augean Stables. If only there were some flood other than of words, that could wash it clean. If only there were some hero, to do the dirty work. Well, of course, we have our boys in the military. But they're busy taking care of other badguys. As must as they're allowed to, that is.

Ach. So complicated it is. I thought elections were supposed to make things better. Call me crazy.

http://forgottenprophets.blogspot.com

J

Corruption
Murtha isn't the only one. What about the just re-elected corruption ridden Menendez of NJ, Molholland of WV, Jefferson of LA, and let's not forget about the soon to be chairman of the Intelligence committee, Alcee Hastings, the impeached former judge. If Pelosi is an honest women she will make them all resign.

Gee, where are all the Dem apologists?
Remeber, those of you who voted Democrat or stayed home to "send a message" to Republicans: This what you voted for!

How Come We're Losing to These People?
It's not surprising to find out the Liberals are corrupt. It is surprising to learn that republican majorities in both Congress and the Whitehouse lead to faster growth in government and massive corruption as well.

Maybe we conservatives need a dose of good old fashion truth.

America has had one conservative president (Ronald Reagan). Nixon, Bush 41, Dole, and Bush 43 all believed deeply in big government.

Apart from Reagan, only Newt successfully sold on a national level the principles of limited government. And no one has truly put those principles into practice by eliminating unnecessary government agencies (like the department of education or the department of labor) or implementing a flat tax or a national sales tax.

Even Republican majorities in Congress and the White House did not result in the implementation of limited government or tax reform.

Instead, per capita spending at the Federal level, adjusted for inflation, went from just under $3,000 in 1960 to over $8,000 today. Worse, conservatives now see as victory the slow down of government growth. Talk is rampant of compromises.

In contrast, the principles of centralized government have won wide appeal. The Soviet Union, the European Union, and China implemented these principles en masse, affecting the lives of a third of the world’s population. Even in America, individuals like FDR and LBJ have created massive entitlements and an explosion of bureaucracy.

Although there is much evidence that big government leads invariably to unmitigated evil and poverty, a growing number of people in the West believe that the government can lower the cost of oil, healthcare, housing, transportation, and any number of other things.

Instead of compromising with the history of failure of socialist policies, conservatives need to figure out how to sell and implement the ideas of limited government.

After all, if a fool like Marx could peddle his idiocy, how hard can it be to sell the truth?

For those
who voted these dems in or stayed home from the polls, I still am baffled what they thought they were going to get with Pelosi and her gang. Maybe they just didn't know what these dems are like.

Voting these people in because you are mad at dems has only made our problems worse. I don't see how this has solved or helped anything.

Now we're stuck with the socialists for God only knows how long. If the Republicans end up with a candidate that is unacceptable to the conservatives, are they going to continue to vote for the socialist party in 08?

We sure have one fine mess going on.

Start the investigations today
The lame duck republicans should start investigating all of these corrupt dem leaders now. When the pelosi team takes over, all of the dem investigations will stop, and the repub investigations/witch hunts will start.

It is a chance to beat her with her own club if you will. Even the press couldn't pass up something that obviously hipocritical.

The problem is, the repub leadership has no drive, no sack anymore, and that is why they lost. Now they get it rubbed in their face because they are wimps.

If pelosi were serious about ethics, she, reed, and mertha would only be the first wave of democrat resignations. You have been sold a bill of goods as the lovely Ms. Malkin has pointed out.

My two cents...
Hey, didn't cha know that the ethical standards that apply to Republicans do not apply to Democrats?

Jesus had a word for the Pharisees - hypocrites.

John the Baptist also had a phrase - "brood of vipers".

Nice Couple
Walking hand in hand down the beaches of South Florida are a couple that are the poster boys for the New Democrat Progressive/Communist Party. Alcee Hastings, 23d District Representative and Robert Wexler, 19th District Representative. Hastings the African-American willing dupe and Wexler the Radical Communist Jew. Rotten to the core both of them.

So you let the teenagers take over
and you're surpised at the result? Have you ever left the kids at home and returned to find that they'd had a "house party" while you were away and your insurance agent now advises you to raze the place and start over in a town where nobody knows you?

Well, that's what you get when you put people in charge whose only mantra is YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME. Once Mom and Dad put them in charge (deluded though they may be about how 'giving them a little responsibility will teach them such a lot') they should not be shocked when they continue to party til the wheels fall off. And they better not be surprised either, that they touchingly expect that Mom and Dad will come back and restore the place to what it was before -- while they kick and scream about how long it's taking....

Put on your bellbottoms
Break out your tie-dyed shirt, slip into your platform shoes, and don't forget your love beads and the bandanna around your fevered brow. Then slap an ABBA 45 single on your turntable- I'd suggest "Knowing Me, Knowing You" (the lyrics are so appropriate for this bunch).
Yes, folks, it's the Seventies all over again. Stand by for bribery, sedition, protests against, well, the fact that we (Western Civilization) even exist, ultra-high taxes, pre-emptive surrenders, "misery indexes", and of course a "national malaise" speech (probably from Hillary) explaining why this is, of course, all our fault- for being the unenlightened, retro-fascist, non-metrosexual redneck hick boobs that we so obviously are. (Because we don't worship her.)
All followed, of course, by a terrorist outrage to make everything before it pale by comparison. For which some Islamist group will claim responsibility- and for which the "liberal lions" will blame the Heritage Foundation, the Cato Institute, and the NRA.
All we can do now is dig a foxhole, hunker down and wait for the incoming.
As for me, I'll be rereading "Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas; A Savage Journey To The Heart Of The American Dream", and "Fear And Loathing On The Campaign Trail 1972" by Hunter S. Thompson. They are indispensible guides to the mindset of those who, rightly or wrongly, now hold the future of our country, and civilization, in their palsied, pot-stained fingers.

So, who wants popcorn?



cheers

eon

And it gets worse
With pro-amnesty idiot Mel Martinez in charge of the RNC, what kink of candidates do you think will be foisted on us in the future. Surely, not a Newt Gingrich or Ronald Reagan, probably more Arlen Specters and Olympia Snowes. Stock up on guns and ammo now!

Michelle
is right as usual. All of you should not be surprized and should also be delighted that the democrats show their true colors in the first days after the election. As for Hillarycare, remember that she never repudiated it, but instead said that she should have gone more slowly. Republicans can expect the same old same old and be ready with an alternative. We want some kind of plan but not hers and not Canada's or Britan's.

Pot meets kettle
Kimberly writes: But does Malkin have to be such a witch about it? Geez, what a shrew.
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Right back at you.

Is it front and center?
"Unfortunately, Murtha's defeated opponent, Diana Irey, couldn't get folks to pay enough attention to his Abscam past during the campaign. But now that he is poised to assume the speakership and all its attendant perks and privileges, the Abscam scandal is front and center."

I have yet to hear anything about this in the mainstream press. I've only heard about it in columns like this and on talk radio. It doesn't become a scandal unless the MSN says it does, and so far that doesn't seem to be happening.

Alcee Hastings
How in the world are the Dim-ocrats gonna make Alcee Hastings the Chair of the Intel Committee? His past legal problems should be enough to make any security clearance null and void.

kimbertard
If you don't like the idea of getting a bloody nose stay out of the ring. Why is it you idiots on the left think you should be treated with kid gloves? Why is it so typical of humanoids like you to through punches then cry when you get hit?

GunnyG
I've always thought susan estrich sounds more like Marge Schott.

Oops
That should be throw not through

Nancy isn't going to do anything
"Its going to take a woman to clean up the mess." Sorry Nancy you aren't going to clean up anything, your going to have that illegal cheap labor force clean up your mess that you have working in your vineyards and hotels.

So,
where are the calls for an American Conservative Party?

I, like many others, see nothing good for the Nation coming in the next several years from the "new" direction that the Dem's promise, and that the Republicans seem ready, willing even, to 'get along with'.

It's gonna be a rough ride, fasten the seat belts.

hey Scottie
That is the very point I have tried to make elsewhere. The freshmen Congress members are going to take their marching orders from the existing Democrat leadership or they will be marginalized. Is Heath Schuler really in a position to refuse a request from Speaker Pelosi or Majority Leader Murtha? When the existing ladership is corrupt, it is insane to believe that freshman members will be able to battle or root out that corruption!

The truth....
"After all, if a fool like Marx could peddle his idiocy, how hard can it be to sell the truth?"

The truth is seldom as "pretty" and neat as the fantasy and is therefore a much harder sell.

USNJIMRET
"So,
where are the calls for an American Conservative Party?"

Few people are willing to put up with the generation of democratic rule that would have to pass before the new party got up and running to the point where they could play a role other than spoiler.

More on Murtha


Even Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) (a non-profit, progressive legal watchdog group) ( certainly not a right wing conspiracy) is critical of the Murtha promotion letter by Pelosi

eon.
Along with the popcorn don't forget the beer.

Confusion reigns supreme in our government while the Dems are still gloating over their wins in congress and Repubs are still running around wringing their hands asking "what just happened?".

While all this nonsense is going on, our enemies are busy with plans to kill us all...on a very large scale.

Are any of us really surprised at the Dem shenanigans? It's just the same old sewage from the crowd who preaches do as I say not as I do ala Michael "Cheeseburger" Moore.

Get ready for all the sicko side shows. If nothing else it may at least be entertaining in a sick perverted sort of way.

Have they actually formulated a plan for keeping our country secure and our loved ones safe yet? Still waiting.....

Oh sure, now corruption matters
Oh sure, now that Dems are in charge, suddenly Republicans care deeply about corruption. Where was all of this digging into people's backgrounds for hints of corruption over the last six years?

If you ask me, the whole KStreet project was nothing but organized corruption. The Republicans basically told the lobbyists that, if they want anything done, they have to stop giving to Dems. It might not be illegal, but it sure is corrupt.

Also, need I remind you folks that Murtha has not been indicted or charged with any crime. And the fact is, he turned down the bribe.

Prager is also going to bring this up on his show today too. Funny, he didn't dedicate much time on his show to the Abromoff scandal, or the Marianas Islands scandal. Or the Dukester, Or Jerry Lewis. Or Safavian. Or Bob Ney. Or Conrad Burns. Or the Halliburton contracts, or the giveaways to big oil and big pharma.

It's amazing, Scooter Libby gets indicted and all you people can do is defend him, but you have the knives out for Murtha, who hasn't been charged and isn't even under investigation.

Your selective outrage is revealing.

Anyway, for the record, if it is proven that Murtha is corrupt, I hope he steps down.

Phylo out.

Hello, Kimberly
Regarding class, or lack of same.
A few weeks ago, you took me and several others to task for suggesting that the Democrats would, in spite of all protestations to the contrary, relaunch their cherished anti-gun initiatives almost instantly upon regaining control of even one house of Congress. Now that they have both, Charles Rangel (D-NY), the new Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, has already announced his intentions to push a "nationwide gun-control agenda", in concert with NYC mayor (and notable RINO) Michael Bloomberg. Or in other words, once more, the Democrats have lied to win an election. After all, in their worldview, they only owe truthfulness to their own supporters. "Truthiness" is good enough for the rest of the great unwashed.
I have said elsewhere that I believe you owe me, and several others, an apology. (Maybe you didn't see it.) I think, in your own idiom, it would be the...classy...thing to do.

Unless, of course, you agree with Speaker-Elect Pelosi, et al., that "truthiness" is all you owe anyone you disagree with.

cheers

eon

Dem discipline
In addition to Flagwaver's point, history shows that expecting help from Blow Dog Dems will be futile. For a group that despises the military with every fiber in their beings, the Congressional Dems exercise an internal discipline that would make the Gestapo proud. In the last Congress, Dem voting against party leadership was under 15%. Speaker Pelosi is certain to borrow Hillary's test**le lock box to keep them in line.

What does unidicted co-conspirator mean
ms. malkin, can you explain what you mean in this sentence:

In 1980, Murtha was an unindicted co-conspirator in a massive bribery probe -- in which undercover FBI agents videotaped Murtha entertaining..etc...

So Ms. Malkin did he commit a crime or didnt he?

Also you stated:

Defense industry lobbyist Paul Magliocchetti, a former colleague of Murtha's who worked as a senior staffer on the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee, has reportedly funneled some $300,000 in campaign contributions to Murtha over the last three election cycles -- either through his company, PMA, or its clients. They've reaped rich rewards: In 2006 alone, PMA clients received at least 60 earmarks worth some $95 million. Murtha also aided Democrat Congressman Alan Mollohan, who remains embroiled in a federal contracting corruption probe."

have any indictments been handed down or has any of this been determined to be illegal?

Gunny G
I always thought that Susan Estrich sounds just like Carol Channing!! I guess I'm just old.....

badbassplayer
For some unknown reason, Republicans NEVER take advantage of a Democrat scandal or fight back in any way when false charges are brought against them.

Republicans IGNORE things like this;
http://hotair.com/archives/2006/11/13/the-price-of-pelosi/
And let Democrats KNOWINGLY MAKE FALSE CHARGES against Republicans.
Fitzgerald should be in prison over that Plame thing. He indicted Republicans for a serious Felony when he personally had positive prior knowledge the men were innocent because HE KNEW who the guilty person was.
If the truth had not surfaced, two innicent men would be rotting in prison right now because Fitzgerald prostituted his authority to his personal politics.

Left Angle
unindicted co-conspirator means they let the little fish off so they could get bigger, more important ones
see Abscam wait I'll save you the trouble
"Congressman John Murtha (D-PA) was not indicted or prosecuted. The FBI videotaped Murtha as saying, "I'm not interested...at this point. [If] we do business for a while, maybe I'll be interested, maybe I won't." to $50,000 cash right after Murtha had offered to provide names of businesses and banks in his district where money could be legally invested.[6] Links to the actual videos of his involvement can be found at the following two links (Warning NSFW, Strong Language) [7] and [8]

In November 1980, the Justice Department announced that Murtha would not face prosecution for his part in the scandal. In July 1981, the House ethics committee also chose not to file charges against Congressman Murtha, following a mostly party line vote, after which E. Barrett Prettyman, Jr., the panel's special counsel, abruptly resigned in protest. House ethics rules require members to immediately report any bribe offers to the FBI."


RE: Kimberly
How ironic is it that you claim Malkin is "bitchie" when you're here every day trying to do her one better?

RE: Dowd
Kimmy, Maureen Dowd is nothing but a kooky left wing shill, and scribbler for the soon-to-be bankrupt New York Times. In other words, it is unsurprising that you believe Dowd is God incarnate.

Oh sure, now corruption doesn't matter..
"Oh sure, now corruption matters
Oh sure, now that Dems are in charge, suddenly Republicans care deeply about corruption. Where was all of this digging into people's backgrounds for hints of corruption over the last six years?"

Oh sure, now corruption doesn't matter.
Oh sure, now that Dems are in charge, suddenly Democrats no longer care deeply about corruption. Where was all of this excuse making from the dems over corruption during the last six years?

Phylo WAY out....in left field.

Packrat: So Murtha commited no crime...
nor was he reprimanded.

So what's M. Malkins beef?

Pelosi Will Regret it
In her first real test of leadership, Pelosi caved, or at least she showed her true colors. Mutha is an embarrasment as well as a political liability. However, he is the darling of the NetRoots/MoveOn crowd. I suppose, she figured she had to throw them some meat, otherwise, she would immediatly have problems with the grass roots.

Murtha has so much baggage that even the MSM can't run cover. I predict that he will be forced to step down within the year. Sandwiched between severe ethics problems and his extreme anti-war stance, the public face for the House Dems will be a negative.

More "house cleaning"
Mark Foley found to have sent suggestive messages to pages - no physical contact even alleged - inappropriate for sure. His punishment: resign in disgrace, party leaders assumed to be guilty by association(along with all other party members).

Gary Studds caught in the act of packing fudge into a page, a criminal act for sure. His punishment: a comittee chairmanship. He was reprimanded, but gave congress the finger, and continued in the house.

Barney Frank convicted of running a male prostitution ring with a boyfriend from his home. His punishment-a slap on the wrist & he's still in Congress.

Guess which party each is a member of and then ask yourself whether the promised "house cleaning" will be anything other than a bad joke on all of us.


Gunny
The only reason "The Torch" is not still in the Senate is the Dem party in NJ pulled him off the ticket just before the 04 election because he had a double digit deficit in the polls and was almost a lock to be unseated. The move was made after NJ law allowed a party to change candidates, but the Dems went to the state Supreme Court(majoity elected Dems), who said "screw the law, we need a candidate" and Lautenberg was inserted, proving my observation that Repubs think politics should be played by the rules and Dems say "f**k the rules, we play to win no matter what we have to do".

PHYLO...
Give me a break...Once again I will tell you what reality is. Uh,let's see. Trent Lott makes a comment, say sorry, not good enough. Steps down. Newt Gingrich money improprieties, says he didn't know it was a problem...but steps down. Tom Delay, same thing...but, Harry Reid, land deals, kick backs...ignored...still holding a seat. Hilary Clinton holding a senate seat and involved in her own sh**-(se GunnyG's post)Sandy Berger steals classified docs and the judges see fit to only fine him 10k and drop security clearance? Where was the maximum fine-???

You continually insist that WE conservatives get away with stuff...you guys just change the rules to suit yourselves...including legislating from the bench. I tried not to reply to your post, but it makes me sick the way you libs think. Everything is a shade of gray, nothing is a clear right or wrong. Like, "I didn't penetrate that woman- I only got a BJ." It was wrong because he was married, and forget that it didn't affect policy. It was a lie.
And you still never said anything about phase II and the fact that you were wrong.(or about alll the great links posted so you could educate yourself on WMD's)man the truth really hurts you, so you have to ignore it or your pretty little dreamland will go "poof!"
As Salt says, give you the facts and you change the subject...

Kimberly's List
Wow. Kimberly said so many things that it would take quite a bit of time to answer it all. Let's just take a look at #11 - and cut out the middle:

"We will respect your religious beliefs... We will discourage religious intolerance and fanaticism..."

How will you respect and discourage all at the same time? Does that mean if we don't think like you, you will be against us? Do you feel the same way about Islamic fanaticism?

I have a feeling that Kimberly's "respect" of religious beliefs mirrors Elton Johns who says:'I WOULD BAN RELIGION COMPLETELY'

So tolerant.

Nee:Lott-Gingrich resigned voluntarily
No one forced them to do anything. and if indeed there was pressure for them to step down it more than likely came from within the republican leadership trying to save face.

Murtha and r0_d2
R0_d2, funny how you can make Murtha say anything if you cherry pick his comments and omit the criminal sounding bits.

Let's see what I can do with your comment:

Congressman Murtha ... HE DID[...] DO IT!
...LOSER[...] Murtha...!

Funny, I thought you liked the guy, but if you check, I quoted you in your own words, just left a few out.

A note
By the way, my post above owes a debt of gratitude to both the posts of R0_d2 and the film making styles of Michael Moore.

WHY Pelosi Endorsed Murtha?
heres why:

excerpted from Time magazine:

"So why did need Pelosi send a letter to her colleagues endorsing Murtha in this week's Democratic leadership elections? In one word, loyalty. The San Francisco congresswoman, first elected back in 1987, wasn't expected to become Speaker of the House, and one of the key factors in her rise in Washington has been Murtha, who has been a mentor and ally. Murtha was actually Pelosi's campaign manager in her 2001 race against Hoyer, helping convince more senior lawmakers that Pelosi was ready to be one of the party's top leaders.

"If John Murtha was running for dog-catcher or President of the United States, Nancy Pelosi would support him," one Pelosi ally told TIME. And Pelosi credits Murtha's call for troop withdrawal as a bold move that helped Democrats win last week's elections. Still, it's not entirely clear how strongly Pelosi will back Murtha; her letter doesn't actually ask others to join his camp, but simply points out that it is in response to Murtha's request for an endorsement."

So if Murtha has been Pelosi's mentor and backed her in her bid against Hoyer for House minority leader, would it not make perfectly logical sense for her to return the favor when her mentor is running against the same opponent for
House majority leader?

I have finally arrived
R0_d2 called me a "Butt monkey"! I have finally made it!

Well, Mr/Ms/Mrs R0_d2, if he did not accept money explain the following:

"I want to deal with you guys awhile before I make any transactions at all, period. . . . After we've done some business, well, then I might change my mind. . . . "

"All at once," he said, "some dumb [expletive deleted] would go start talking eight years from now about this whole thing and say [expletive deleted], this happened. Then in order to get immunity so he doesn't go to jail, he starts talking and fingering people. So the [S.O.B.] falls apart." . . .

Are these the words of a man not ready to take a bribe? And, if "unindicted" is equal to innocent, then shut up about Mark Foley. Or the President's so-called "crimes". Or Cheney and Haliburton. Or anything else you lefties go on about.

In other words, if only indictments count, then I can talk about Clinton all I want (he was found guilty of perjury) and you ahve to remain quiet about Bush. So, I agree. We play by your rules. Murtha is A-OK as he wasn't indicted, but you have to say the same about Bush. And we both have to agre Clinton was a sleaze-bag.

OK?

R0_d2
In addition, even if Murtha did not ask for or accept the bribe, failing to report the attempt is an ethics violation. True, no one did anything about it, but it is a violation.

Unless, of course, we are agreeing to the "no criticism without an indictment" rule I proposed. But I really doubt you could give up on harping about Bush's supposed "crimes".

Fair Play? Ha
Murtha calls the Abscam incident old news, like we should let bygones be bygones. If that's how they want to play, they should apply the same atandards to both sides. Don't hold your breath on that one. Harry Ried D-NV said over the weekend that he was considering holding up the confirmation hearings for Bob Gates' nomination for DOD Sec. until he could "get answers to what Gates knew about(get this...) Iran-Contra". Talk about dripping with hypocracy.

r0_d2
Um, you seem intent on using the same quotes over and over:

1. The tiny bit of the transcript that seems to exonerate Murtha
2. Murtha's self-serving denial

You didn't answer my questions however:

1. Why did Murtha violate ethics rules by not reporting the bribery attempt?
2. If unindicted==innocent, then will you agree to say nothing about Folley, Cheney, Bush, deLay, etc?

Well, how about n answer not including the same old cut-n-paste quote, huh? Or are you a simple-minded Kos-parroting coward who won't actually debate a point? How about it?

R0_d2
Ok, from your much ballyhooed transcript (expletives omitted due to filtering):

MURTHA: Let's be honest about it. This poor son of a [...] could be killed tomorrow, and you know I could be in it, and forget about it and so forth. Or, but when I make a [...] deal I want to make sure that I know exactly what I'm doing and either I can do something for you or I cannot do something for you. And what I'm sayin' is, a few investments in my district, a few, you know, is big to me, to this guy apparently is not too big, to a couple banks there which would get their attention. And investment in a business where you could legitimately say to me -- when I say legitimately, I'm talking about so these [...] up here can't say to me, well, why, in eight years from now, that's possible, we'd never hear a thing for eight years, but all at once, ah, some dumb [...] would, ah, go start talking eight years from now, ah, about the whole thing and say, "[...], ah, this happened," then he, then he, in order to get immunity so he doesn't go to jail, he starts talking and fingering people and then the son of a [...] all falls apart.

-----------------

OK. here goes:

1. It sure sounds to me like he is euphemistically asking for a bribe
2. If nothing is illegal, why is he worried about someone leaking it in the future?
3. Even if he was just asking for "investment" and not using that as a euphemism for a bribe, then it is still illegal to agree to do something improper for investment in opne's disctrict. It is still a payment for an illegal service, even if one does not directly benefit.


So, what is your reply now? Let me guess... same cut-and-paste you have used every other time?

R0_d2
Your response makes no sense.

The OUTCOMES prove your point? So if a murderer walks then he didn't do it? No one guilty ever goes free?

And you still won't answer any of my questions. I assume my charge of cowardice has been proven correct.

R0_d2
Oh, I forgot to add to my list two posts ago:

#4. he is still in violation of ethics rules for not reproting a bribery attempt. Or do you dispute that too?

Well, I won't hold my breath waiting for a goherent and relevant reply. But I am glad to see you stopped using the same cut-n-paste response every time.

It had to be done
As much as I hate to see the Democrats in control of Congress, the Republicans needed to be given the boot. As long as they retained control it was going to be business as usual, i.e. growing the government, more and more wasteful spending, ignoring illegal immigration, etc. Now that they've been told that the voters aren't going to put up with that anymore, maybe they'll get back on track and return to something like their '94 platform.

I know this is a bad time for the Democrats to take over but, honestly, was there ever going to be a good time? Better to do it now with a chance for the Republicans to shape up for the next presidential election than to have it happen in '08 and have the Dems grab control of both Congress and the White House for 2 years.

One mroe
Oh, and R0_d2 if you read the entire transcript it is terribly clear that he is aware others have participated in bribery, even if you accept the dubious proposition that he does not seek a bribe himself. If he was aware of bribery and did not report it, he is on shaky moral ground at the very least.

or do you support politicians turning a blind eye to the bribery of others?

Or is it only Democrats who get a pass on this?

Will you actually answer one of my questions eventually?

Kimbler's List
1. We do not call you unAmerican when you disagree with us. We call you unAmerican when you say unAmerican things on a consistant basis.

2. We will let you marry whomever you want when you follow the rules and get a majority of citizens to vote it into law, not slide it in between pages of unrelated legislation or through judicial fiat.

3. Quit trying to make it government's job to provide support for anyone who asks, deserving or not, eliminate pork, lose communist policymaking, and do away with programs that are directed at an insignificant fraction of the population and we'll trust you with the checkbook.

4.Our sons and daughters are not children. They are adults who think for themselves. If our kids are old enough to decide their sexual orientation in elementary school, they are more than grown up enough after they graduate high school to decide what causes to risk their lives for. Bringing the troops home has little to do with them, it's all about you, mommy.

5.Universal health coverage breaks economies. Stem cell research IS legal and treatments have already been discovered and employed without government input- by the way, stop misrepresenting the issue. The operative phrase is " EMBRYONIC stem cell research", which is legal. You don't want to fund war, that's death.
We don't want to fund embryonic destruction, that's death.

6. Nowhere in the USA are people dying from tainted air or water; air and water quality are 1000 times cleaner that they were 100 years ago.
Stop being hysterical and get a grip.

7.Pure platitude worthy of a bumper-sticker.
We did, we are, we will, we do.

8. Your womb stops where your baby begins.
(hey, that sounds like a good bumper sticker too).
Take what you do in your bedroom off of primetime tv, out of the schools and theaters and out of the courtroom and I might buy this one.

9. We do not want guns to hunt. We want guns to kill scum. Sub- humans who rape and murder us in our homes while we wait for the cops to clean up, or punks who think that because they want my wallet they deserve to have it.

10. Ask any honest economist about the minimum wage. Most women who complain publicly about inequality in salaries make more than most men.
More women graduate college, more women attend college, and more and more women own their own businesses. Start a company and pay your women whatever you want- it's still a free country.(barely)

11. Oh my! Buahahahahahahahaha! Atheists patently DO NOT respect anyone's religion. You can lie to yourself; we ain't buying.

12. Read the bulk of the responses printed above to illuminate the fiscal purity of the left.
Puleeze.....
Kim- Michael Moron is a pariah here, he stands for exactly what we dont want. What on earth makes you believe we would lend any credence to his rabid mental contortions given his "criticism" of conservatives and the religious?

R0_d2
You confuse two things there. Murtha was not prosecuted and Murtha didn't do it.

I don't dispute that he wasn't prosecuted, but read your own text:

I'm not interested...at this point

If I say "I don't want to hit you right now", would you think that meant I had no interest in violence or that I was postponing a violent wish?

And, as GunnyG said, people often are guilty and not prosecuted. (Having a father recently retired from law enforcement, I know this to be true as well.)

And the lack of prosecution on ethics charges against a democrat by a democrat-controlled ethics committee does not exactly prove a lack of ethics violations. (Do I need to bring up all the usual suspects: Kennedy, Frank, etc.)

So, Murtha was offered a bribe, said "not right now", also said he was afraid someone would become a witness against him to avoid going to jail, and never reported the bribery attempt. Sounds like an upstanding citizen to me!

Wikipedia
I would also refrain from using wikiedia as an argument. I don't know if you noticed, but some of those arrticles are just a WEEEE bit biased. In addition, as those biased right are about as numerous as those biased left, giving credence to wikipedia could come back to bite you.

Of course, as you never actually reply to arguments, it probably would not make a difference to you.

Yes, Murtha was not prosecuted, got it. But are you saying he is ethical? He did nothing wrong?

Stop hiding behind legalities with Clinton-esque lawyer-logic. Tell me if he is or is not a trustworthy, ethical man. And tell me why.

r0_d2
Are you really Michael Moron in drag?????????

r0_d2
Better check your implant, your getting incoherant. ( what am I saying.....did I say getting?)

Kimbler's List
Still typing? or are you conflicted by facts?

FDR
How are those print media stocks doing lately dude?

british NHS
You can find plenty of stuff on how bad their service is.

Here is a recent one:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/health/healthmain.html?in_article_id=416187&in_page_id=1774

How long to wait for an MRI in Britain? Its 18 weeks in Canada(Hope your cancer isn't inoperable by then).
I can get one today in the US.

It makes perfect sense to let the government run health care, since they are so efficient at everything else..and so unbiased as well and so accountable and....

LOL

x-liberal glad to be republican
shame on the clintons. selling pardons.
shame on the kennedy's. drunken murder.
shame on the mass idiots spending 8 bil over budget on a hole in boston.
shame on times or giving away military secrets.
shame on the ca democrats who talk green but we all have to sit on the reeways or over 2 hours a day for taxes , meant for roads, never spent.
shame on everyone for allowing us to be over running the area with illegals, who have bankrupted 2 hospitals hear and are draining our schools.
shame on the cut and run cowards who ignored millions being slaughtered in s.e. asia.
shame on the s.f. assholes who spit on me in the air port.
shame on m.m. half a truth is a total lie
who the hell is pigosi anyway.

R0_d2
I have to point out calling my arguments "spew" does not invalidate them nor prove them wrong.

nor does saying "You have no facts" get rid of the quotes I posted above, directly from your transcript.

And, as I keep pointing out, you seem deathly afraid to answer my questions.

FDR
Foley never touched anyone.
Actual molestation is ignored and glossed over, or even celebrated by twisted libs, to score political points on republicans. Republicans don't see it as political, that's why he's out.
Why the willful ignorance? You seem like a smart guy.

R0_D2
I will make this easy as possible for you.

Even given that Murtha was not indicted or convicted, would you agree that what he did was right and proper? That he was right not to reprot a bribery attempt or report his apparent knowledge that other had been bribed? That he was right to try to solicit "investments" from people seeking favors from him? And, lastly, based on his Abscam behavior is Murtha an ethical man? If so, why?

R0_D2
Ok, even easier:

How is the Murtha solicitation of investments from thsoe seeking seemingly illegal favors different than the solicitation (by members of both parties) of support from Jack Abramoff?

Well, do you have an answer? (Besides that one hurts the Republicans more in the public eye, I mean.)

Andrews
Regarding r0d2, when you only have one hand on the keyboard when posting, the term "spew" is probably in the forefront of his mind alot.
The wildly ejaculatory nature of his posts would tend to confirm my hypothesis.

Logorrhea
I prefer to think his disjointed, rambling posts, inability to answer direct questions, and failure to stay on topic, as well as his frequent repetition of arguments even when they are not appropriate are signs of some sort of brain injury. It is why I have given him so many chances to answer my questions, my natural sympathy for the infirm.

Otherwise, I have to assume he is just an obnoxious, opinionated moron who can't answer my questions because he is too blindly partisan to admit failure and too dimwitted to form an acceptable reply.

The generosity in me forces me to favor the brain injury hypothesis.

R0_D2
The transcript you linked still has a number of suspicious, border-line incriminating quotes, which I mentioned above, which you failed to recognize.

Even if he was tyring to "get investments", is soliciting investment from those who ask you to do somethig questionable or even illegal the way to go about this?

Who cares that he was not indicted? That proves nothing of his ethical culpability. It doesn't even prove he was not legally culpable, only that he was not prosecuted. So what? I speed all the time, the lack of prosecution does not mean I am not speeding.

And, he DID appear to arrange his own long-term deal, when he said he was not accepting it at that time. they were Murtha's words, not the Spectator's.


R0_D2
And about his self-serving "bring money to the people" defense, would you accept the following conversation:

"Well, Mr. Capone, we can fix your tax problems if you invest in some businesses in my district"?

Would that be acceptable to you? If it were a Democrat, maybe?

Just because it brings money home does not make something ethical. Bank robbery brings money to the community, it is still a crime.

I stand corrected
I'm sorry, have to withdraw all my comments.

I just saw that the videos were reviewed by people SMARTER than me AND than the American Spectator!

If I had only known, I would have never embarked on this fool's errand. I now see the folly of my ways!

Please, please forgive my presumption in challenging my intellectual superiors and accept my most abject apology!

Response to FDR4Rushmore
You wrote: "Personally, as far as religion goes, I would far rather have politicians who don't think they are acting out God's explicit wishes than ones that do. And that counts for Christians, Muslims, Jews, Bhuddists or Jedi knights. I have no beef with anyone who prays and believes in God, but fundamentalism of any kind is bad news. Elton John may not be right about banning religion, but he does have a point about the amount of trouble it causes. There's no bloody end to it..."

Please don't forget the peace that godless secularism and humanism has brought. When people talk about the trouble religion has wrought, they seem to conveniently forget the likes of Stalin, Hitler and Mao.

R0_d2
Please stop mentioning Bush. He was not indicted, and, as you keep pointing out about Murtha, if he wasn't indicted, then he much be blameless.

So, please retract that entire last paragraph.

typo
Read "much" as "must"

R0_D2
By the way, was Abramoff indicted for that murder? Or are you casting aspersions on him without an indictment? If so, then why does Murtha get a pass?

OK. Enough
Well, enough of beating a dead horse. R0_D2 will never admit Murtha did anything wrong because "He was never indicted" while he will happily bash the President for things for which he was never indicted either. It is a blatant double standard, but one I doubt R0_D2 even recognizes.

No point in arguing with fools. It was fun for a while, but enough. Enjoy your foolishness.

Or, as you seem to enjoy saying "spew on".

Have to reply one final time
I am not taking the side of a murderer. I, for one, am perfectly willing to criticize those who have not been indicted.

It was YOU who said we could not find fault with Murtha because he had not been indicted. I just pointed out that your logic prohibited you from criticizing Abramoff for the murder if he had not been indicted.

It was your logic which made him blameless. I simply pointed it out.


And thank you
Thank you once again!

I have now been called a Moron and a Butt Monkey by R0_D2. I will wear those names as badges of honor from now on.

Thank you for the parting gift.

And now, goodbye. See you tomorrow, I am sure.

Or, as you say, "spew on"!

oh republicans
its fun to see you people back in your favorite position of complaining about progress and change.

Kimberly's List
"I promise all of the above to you because this is your country, too. You are every bit as American as we are. We are all in this together. We sink or swim as one. Thank you for your years of service to this country and for giving us the opportunity to see if we can make things a bit better for our 300 million fellow Americans -- and for the rest of the world."

You can promise all you wish, but everything you promised is pure Socialism and that is the problem with the DIM-o-CRATS today. Everything they stand for is pure Socialism.

Get a GRIP and THINK.

WHY Pelosi Endorsed Murtha
heres why:

excerpted from Time magazine:

"So why did need Pelosi send a letter to her colleagues endorsing Murtha in this week's Democratic leadership elections? In one word, loyalty. The San Francisco congresswoman, first elected back in 1987, wasn't expected to become Speaker of the House, and one of the key factors in her rise in Washington has been Murtha, who has been a mentor and ally. Murtha was actually Pelosi's campaign manager in her 2001 race against Hoyer, helping convince more senior lawmakers that Pelosi was ready to be one of the party's top leaders.

"If John Murtha was running for dog-catcher or President of the United States, Nancy Pelosi would support him," one Pelosi ally told TIME. And Pelosi credits Murtha's call for troop withdrawal as a bold move that helped Democrats win last week's elections. Still, it's not entirely clear how strongly Pelosi will back Murtha; her letter doesn't actually ask others to join his camp, but simply points out that it is in response to Murtha's request for an endorsement."

So if Murtha has been Pelosi's mentor and backed her in her bid against Hoyer for House minority leader, would it not make perfectly logical sense for her to return the favor when her mentor is running against the same opponent for
House majority leader?

poor gunnyg
you'll see the change too gunny...the only difference is that i will embrace it...you will be left behind with your antiquated views and a dying neo-conservative dream...

But R0_D2 said...
So if Abramoff is a Republican only sacndal...

"a source close to the investigation surrounding his activities told ABC News that Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) was one of the members of Congress Abramoff had allegedly implicated in his cooperation with federal prosecutors." full story at: http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/11/abramoff_report_1.html

I guess we have nothing to worry about cause the Democrats has such highly ethical people in positions of power.


Typical Hypocrisy
That's all you got, Malkin? Dozens of Republicans are under indictment or investigation and all you have to point to is an instance where a Democrat didn't take a bribe?
After the last years of the K Street Project where Republicans pulled the most corrupt and lucrative scheme in American political history, all you have to complain about is 300K in legal campaign contributions?
Are you joking?
Clean your own house first, then worry about someone else's.

FDR
Socialism, pacifism, and a slanted national media aren't funny; sorry no chuckles for you. My Rove implant obstructs pointless inconsistant posturing.

Murtha the Hut
John "Cut & Run" Murtha is probably the worst possible choice for any government position. He expressed his willingness to take a bribe and was just quibbling over the details.

His water carriers imply no one can criticize Murtha because he's a Vietnam vet. I served more time in RVN than Murtha did, so no one can reply critically to this post. Except Kimberly, who is really, really Jessica Simpson-hot.

response to nee
Nee, I haven't responded to your posts because they are rambling and incoherent.

First of all, Tom Delay went kicking and screaming and is still claiming that he has no ethical issues. Trent Lott (clearly a closet racist) just got re-elected to lead the minority in the Senate. Sandy Berger got busted; what more do you want. And Hillary Clinton has never been charged with a crime.

And by the way, I still don't know what you are talking about with regards to phase II of the SIC report. What are you trying to say? If you're trying to say that it has been released, you're simply wrong.

Thanks for explaining reality to me. It's all so clear now.

Phylo out.

FDR GunnyG feud
GunnyG can defend himself, but I just wanted to add my 2 cents worth...

So, FDR, you were a broker and left it for a the lucrative field of journalism? You must have been one heckuva broker!

Re. religion, read a little. It is a logical error to equivocate all religions; the many religions out there teach various and often contradictory concepts. Some of these concepts have led to horrific acts, other concepts have been misinterpreted and resulted in horrific acts. Likewise, tremendous good has also come from religion. It also should be noted that all of the Christian violence in history (I'll include the Inquisition, even though that was "Christian-on-Christian" violence) doesn't hold a candle to the mass murder and genocide from atheistic communism and nazism in the 20th century alone.

More hate, Thanks, Michelle
As Abramoff, inmate No. 27593-112, is led into prison, threatening to expose more corruption
(mostly Republican) Michelle has the gall to call people with whom she disagrees, "dirtbags." In her continuing effort to "out-do" Ann Coulter
in viciousness, she has forgotten to pay homage to her Republican pals languishing behind bars.
Are they "dirtbags" too, Michelle?
To paraphrase -- when you people love your country more than your vile ranting, then we might be able to get some much needed work done. Let the hate-fest masquerading as "hard-hitting" commentary continue (or maybe, stop).
Ideas, yes. Hate, No!

Racists
If Trent Lott is a closet racist, what is Robert Byrd?

Clyde9

Hooked like a fish.
R0_D2, I never claimed you said the Abramoff scandal was a republican only scandal. Read my words again.

Now, if you are trying to say that it was my INTENT to make it seem you had said such, well, by your own logic, the OUTCOME was that I didn't say you had said it, so you can't complain.

The democrat nightmare begins
OKJoyce writes: As Abramoff, inmate No. 27593-112, is led into prison, threatening to expose more corruption

----------------------------------------------------

Oh dear God. Perhaps you've missed who Abramoff is naming:

Convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff is scheduled to report to federal prison tomorrow, over the objections of federal prosecutors who say they still need his help to pursue leads on officials he allegedly bribed.

Sources close to the investigation say Abramoff has provided information on his dealings with and campaign contributions and gifts to "dozens of members of Congress and staff," including what Abramoff has reportedly described as "six to eight seriously corrupt Democratic senators."


Another source close to the investigation surrounding his activities told ABC News that Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) was one of the members of Congress Abramoff had allegedly implicated in his cooperation with federal prosecutors.

A spokesperson for Reid, elected yesterday as the Senate Majority Leader, said the senator had done nothing illegal or unethical.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/the_abramoff_lobbying_scandal/index.html


Yeah, right. Maybe they can put him in the same cell with Foley.



I agree that
Democrats need to be the squeakiest of clean in this climate. Whether indicted or not, it would look better for Murtha not run for this office. Unfortunately, it's probably already to late for the combined parties to work for what is best for the country. If their constituents write enough letters, maybe by January, both parties will work together for the good of the country.

Hockey Goon
Right. That's dozens of Republicans and five or six Democrats.
No one's saying the Democrats are all angels, but compared to that crowd...

Repubs not learning from their loss
Since I travel almost every week I get the USA Today rag delivered to my hotel room so end up flipping through it at breakfast. Today's "Point-Couterpoint" editorial was about the need to clean up the earmark pork-spending with the USA Today editorial board saying that it was time to do so, etc. The counterpoint was written by John Culbertson, a Republican representative from Texas who serves on the House Appropriations Committee. Apparently the gentleman from Texas didn't look at the election results (or at least understand their meaning!)

You can go here to see what he said:

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2006/11/opposing_view_e.html#more

Let me clarify your statment.
Super90 said:
"Right. That's dozens of Republicans and five or six Democrats.
No one's saying the Democrats are all angels, but compared to that crowd..."

Now let us add a little reality...

"Right. That's dozens of Republicans(who get dozens of headlines whether guilty or not) and five or six Democrats(that the media briefly mentions while ignoring the large numbers who actualy have committed crimes).
No one's saying the Democrats are all angels(because that would bring the whole religion thing in and well, can't have that), but compared to that crowd...(they look like spoiled children left with the cookie jar unattended)"

Oh well!
MAN ALIVE! The name calling just keeps this site busy....I know I am just blowing in the wind here but that is just nuts....while we fiddle around with calling each other down, both parties and both halls of congress are busy doing what they want. Im going over to Lucianne.....they, at least, keep it civil.
SHEESH!~!!!

Last Act Standing
When our beloved Cowboy goes riding off to Plains, TX, for blessed retirement, one of his last acts as President will be to sign the Guest Worker-Amnesty Bill into law, and then I fear for anybody near the border when that happens because they will be trampled to death. And this bill will be much worse than the one blocked by the Republcan House and produced by the RINO club and its President John "Can't Wait for this to Air on NBC to my favor" McCain.

Oh, please, Orphan,
The Repubs get headlines for corruption because they deserve them. There has been zero oversight in congress for years and the chickens are coming home to roost. And even if you're right (which you're not) and the right gets more media attention then the left (Which it doesn't. The media is a whorre and it goes where the headlines are, just ask Bill Clinton), who care? Whether or not there is any attention on it at all, the simple fact remains that Republicans have been running a corrupt government in Washington and it is in EVERYONE'S best interest that it be uncovered and done away with.
Defend something only if it's worth defending, not just because it's "your side".

Sandy; Dona261; Super90, et.al.
I didn't have room for the other names (people)who present cogent alternative views to the hot-headed ranting on Townhall -- but it's always a relief to find some sanity here.
Sandy -- what "Lucianne" site are you referring to?

Darn it!
r0_d2 bailed before I could point something out to him.
Namely, that Murtha's claim that the AbScam investigation was a "conservative plot" against him rang a bit hollow then, and still does now. Because, as antother poster's link states, the investigation of Rep. Murtha ended in 1980- when the Carter Administration was still in power. (It took a year for the disposition to get through the House, IIRC.)
AbScam (Contraction for "Arab Scam") was a DOJ operation under Carter's Attorney General, Griffin Bell, intended to "sting" potentially bribe-hungry Congressional leaders for the purpose of getting them out of Congress. The primary target of AbScam, BTW, was the Republican delegation. Unfortunately for the plans of Carter & Co., most of the Congressmen who came to them actively soliciting payola, either overtly or covertly, turned out to be Democrats. I do, however, give Griffin Bell credit for continuing the sting even when it became obvious that it would not lead to a useful number of GOP seats becoming vacant for special elections. There were a few, but due to the greater number of Democrats who swam into the net, the "net" result was a wash from the Carterites' POV.
Murtha's claim that it was a "conservative plot" against him only works if you consider James Earl Carter, Jr., a conservative. Otherwise, it fails the laugh test.

PS to Kimberly; Quoting Michael Moore is no more of an apology than John Kerry saying, "I told a finely-nuanced joke you are too stupid to understand". I'd suggest something like, "I admit it. They lied, and are going to keep lying. And I will not support them when I know they are lying."
Three little sentences. Try them on for size.

cheers

eon

No need...
...to repeat what Rugged Individualist already stated (towards the beginning of this thread); everyone should read it.

libs
now the libs want to get rid of john bolten so we have no one in that corupt un to stop them from getting a national gun ban here in the usa. and shumer says there will be no more conservative judges put on the supreme court,i think these liberal scum want a civil war here in the usa.",FEAR THE GOVERNMENT THAT FEARS ITS OWN PEOPLE" they are not being moderate there being the liberal rotten pond scum that they are and always will be,takers of rights and communist pukes!

GunnyG
Thanks for the kudos.
My fondest hope is that elitist-statist ideologues like r0_d2, Kimberly, etc., will actually begin to think. (Or at least read Heinlein.)
Failing that, I'll settle for them being honest about the shortcomings of their heroes.
Or if all else fails, that they'll just make a noise like a hoop and roll away.

PS- I have to (slightly) defend Wiki. I wouldn't go to them for anything to do with geopolitics (their editors are a wee bit too multi-culti for my tastes), but their entries on purely entertainment-type subjects are often great, having been written by enthusiasts. For instance, their article on the old "Adventures Of The Galaxy Rangers" TV show is frankly better than the show's official website! ;-)

cheers

eon

millions vs. thousands
FDR, I appreciate your tone...I will philosophically more likely agree with GunnyG on most issues, but I appreciate that you are willing to dialogue with those whom you disagree with.

Last comment on religion vs. atheism...three points: (1) religion cannot be generalized and equivocated...some religions have been better, some worse for humanity; perhaps religions can be considered on a continuum ranging from "greater good" to "greater harm". (2) Much done in the name of religion is actually contradictory to the teachings of the religion, thus the fault is with the practitioners, not the religion per se. (3) Atheism amassed a body count in the multi-millions in less than one century, far exceeding virtually all exclusively religious killing over several centuries.

Does this mean religious persecution/atrocities etc. is somehow "excused"? Of course not; just pointing out that blaming religion for the world's ills is misplaced...people (i.e. human nature) are the problem (some more than others!).

fans
kim writes about unhinged fans of malkin,while im no fan of anyone,i must admit that i do lose it sometimes when hearing the views of house and senate liberals that effect my rights and the way the country is run, and i post my personal disgust with them in the way i describe them,it may not be to mature but they pizz me off and it makes me feel better to vent, that may not be politicaly correct but liberals are not correct in a lot of ways to numerous to list.

Absolutely
This is what I voted for. The lesson I wanted to send was not to the corrupt Republicans in Congress, but to the stupid moderates in the voting public. The lesson is just starting.

This is your world under left-wing control. Until you're ready to make war on the left, this is what you deserve.
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