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Tuesday, May 13, 2008
Michael Yon :: Townhall.com Columnist
Chapter One of Moment of Truth In Iraq: Be Not Afraid
by Michael Yon
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CHAPTER ONE

Be Not Afraid

You should cross the barren desert
but you shall not die of thirst.
You shall wander far in safety
though you do not know the way.
You shall speak your words in foreign lands
and all will understand.
You shall see the face of God and live.
Be not afraid, I go before you always.
Come follow me, and I will give you rest.

- From a Prayer card I found on a base in Anbar Province, Iraq.

* Buqubah, Iraq, June 19, 2007 *

Thoughts flow on the eve of the great battle. By the time you read these words, we will be in combat, Few ears have heard even rumors of this battle, and fewer still are the eyes that will see its full scope. Even now – for the battle has already begun for some – little news of it reaches home. I have known of the plans for a month, but have remained silent.

This campaign, a series of carefully orchestrated battalion – and brigade-sized operations, is collectively the largest battle since “major hostilities” ended more than four years ago. Even the media here on the ground do not seem to have sensed its scale.

Al Qaeda and associates had little or no presence in Iraq before the current war. But we made huge mistakes early on and now we pump blood and gold into the desert to pay for those blunders. We failed to secure the streets and we sowed doubt and mistrust. We disbanded the government and the army and we created a vacuum. We tolerated corruption and ineptitude and mostly local talent filled the ranks of an insurgency. But when we flattened parts of Fallujah not once but twice in response to the murder of four of our people, we helped create a spectacle of injustice and chaos. Al Qaeda took entrée while militias and insurgency grounds began to thrive. The magnitude of true injustice was magnified line by line, hair by hair, by a frenzied media. But it wasn’t the media’s fault; the media did not flatted Fallujah or rape and torture the prisoners. We did that all by ourselves.

We walked into a dry, cracked land, along the two arteries of Mesopotamia that have long pulsed water and blood into the sea. In a place where everything that is not desert is tinder; sparks make fire.

When we devastated Fallujah, al Qaeda grew like a tumor. Before al Qaeda we faced a bewildering complex of insurgent groups with conflicting ideologies and goals, along with opportunistic thugs. The amalgam of men (and women) with guns was so diverse and the affiliations so dynamic that it was hard to track who was responsible for what atrocity. Each attack spawned reprisals that demanded yet another round of revenge. Al Qaeda had been trying to ignite a civil war here for several years; chaos and brutality would become its fuel.

Today al Qaeda is strong, but their welcome grows cold. The Coalition was not alone in failing to keep its promises. Iraqis love to say “America put a man on the moon but cannot turn on our lights,” and the implication was we really didn’t care. In so many ways we lost the moral high ground.

But then al Qaeda raped too many women and boys, cut off too many heads, and brought drugs into too many neighborhoods. And they haven’t even tried to get the power going, or keep the markets open, or build schools, or playgrounds, or clinics for the children. Instead, as we ineptly tried to rebuild, they destroyed. They destroyed and murdered Iraqis who dared to work in such places or patronize them. And not only schools and clinics: they brought murder to mosques and churches too.

Finally, those few who were paying very close attention could feel it. It was there. A barely perceptible change in the atmosphere that signals big change could come. But to make the change we had to change. Remarkably, we did. But that story is for later.

Just as this sentence was written, we began dropping bombs south of Baghdad and our troops are in contact.

In the context of this great campaign, the Battle of Baqubah, northeast of Baghdad, will be but one small part. But for those involved it will not seem small. Innocent civilians are being asked to leave. More than one thousand al Qaeda fighters are said to be in Baqubah, with perhaps another thousand adjuncts. Baqubah alone might be as intense as Operation Phantom Fury in Fallujah in late 2004.

They are ready for us. Giant bombs are buried in the roads. Snipers have chiseled holes in walls so that they can shoot not from roofs or windows, but from deep inside buildings, where we cannot see the flash or hear the shots. They will shoot for our faces and necks. Car bombs are already assembled. Suicide vests are prepared.

The enemy will try to herd us into their traps, and likely many of us will be killed before it ends. Already they have been blowing up bridges to restrict our movements. Entire buildings are rigged with explosives. They have rockets, mortars, and bombs hidden in places they know we are likely to cross, or to seek cover. They will use human shields and force people to drive bombs at us.

They will use their favorite of all weapons, the camera, and make it look like we are ravaging the city and that they are defeating us. For they have understood from the beginning what we learned almost too late: this is a political war and political war is media war.

By the time this dispatch is published, we will be inside Baqubah, and we will be killing them.

Our jets will drop bombs. Helicopters will cover us and medevac our wounded and killed. Artillery will be firing, and our tanks moving in. And Humvees. And Strykers. Our people will capture commanding positions and cut off escape routes. The idea this time is not to chase al Qaeda out, but to trap and kill them head-on, or in ambushes, or while they sleep. This time, when they are wounded, they will be unable to go to hospitals without being captured, and so their wounds will fester and some will die painfully. It will be horrible for al Qaeda. Horror they sowed and tonight horror they will reap.

They will get no rest. No one is asking for surrender, but because we are who we are, if they surrender, they will be taken.

Our soldiers will go in on foot and fight from house to house. They will shoot rockets into enemy hiding spaces. Our snipers will shoot them in their heads and chests. All the talk of what should or could be done will smash head-on against the searing reality of combat.

Nothing is certain. I am here and have been all year. We are in trouble, but we have a great general. The only one, I have long believed, who can lead the way out of this morass. Iraq is not hopeless. Iraq can stand again, but first it must cast off these demons. Or kill them.

And while the battle rages, the prayer card will be in my pocket.

Be not afraid. I go before you always;
Come follow me, and I will give you rest.

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Another "Bush bash"...
... from George Soros' #1 plant at Townhall.

"Fraud" Robert!

Keep bashing, Robert!
You're on a roll!

Mr. Soros will be SO happy with you tonight!

Want to hear it..
from a soldier that was there? OK..Here I am. Are we winning? It all depends on one's interpretation. As a soldier I can say with all confidence that we have and we are making progress. I can not and will not go into much detail but I can say that the enemy are those who are crossing into Iraq, sponsored by Iran and other interest groups, supporting Al Qaeda operatives and others to disrupt our efforts and cause destruction and chaos. Yes others are involved too because of political pressure and threats from a variety of terror related interest groups. What most don't seem to grip is the fact of this network is not just out to cause problems there and for our troops, but to also influence political decisions around the globe and mainly here at home. If anyone does not believe that these dangerous people who hold an almost psychotic mind-set, who only care about their own ambitions are not trying to influence the people here at home than I can only suggest that you look at the situation from a different point of view. The one thing that Bush and McCain have right is the fact that they (the enemy) would love to see someone get into office here that will take us out of Iraq in a heartbeat so to satisfy the growing number of anti-war protesters and voters, only to see that vacuum filled by leadership that will be a greater threat than Saddam. I will leave it up to you to argue about how we got there but now that we are there we must do what it takes to make sure that things will remain stable to some degree so progress will continue to move forward. It makes me sad that from the beginning the media has dwelled on the negative more than the progress. If this country shows the world and more importantly our enemy that "we" can not stomach this situation and fold up tent, you will find a problem here and abroad that will make 9/11 seem very small in comparison.

Read his book
Kimberly,

I just read his book, and you're drawing premature conclusions from this excerpt. He addresses non-al qaeda insurgent groups that have fought our forces, and delves into why. Yon doesn't seem unsympathetic to the "1920s", an insurgent group that undoubtably has killed some of our military personnel.

Of course, that group is now dedicated to killing al qaeda. Why? Revisit Yon's description of al qaeda's behavior when they held power over Iraqis.

bravemonk199
I whould like to thank you and your family for your service to our country. God bless.

Kimberly
Are you calling the man a liar? Also, when have you ever been objective about anything written here on TH? All you ever do is come here and give your Huff&Puff,Daily Ko's and Soros spin on things.

prose and style
Politics aside, the writing here is clunky, wooden, and laden with cliches. There are several spelling and grammatical errors. I have several high school students who can nail together better sentences than these.

Of course!
Of course we have the greatest military in the history of the planet. That's a given and we are all proud of them.

The question is: why are we in Iraq at all?

The bastards who attacked us (1) had ntohing to do with anything or anyone in Iraq and (2) are stronger and more organized than before 9/11.

If only W could have kept his focus on Al-Q, the entire world would be celebrating now.

On minimizing fallout from a mistake.
Generally agree with My Pet Goat's 5:48 post.

In this excerpt from his book(the third paragraph), Yon specifically states "Al Quada had little or no presence in Iraq before the current war".

So even Yon disputes the contention of some that Al Qaida had a sizable presence in Saddam's Iraq.

Yon is correct on Fallujah. Our actions there did result in alot of sympathy for the few Al Qaida forces in Iraq.

Bravemonk's 1:11 post contains alot of valid observations.

I think the war was a mistake. I base this upon the absurd Bush administration idea that we can democratize a people whose values are embedded in Sharia law and in Islam.

But Bravemonk has a point.

We are there now.

And our enemy would love to see us withdraw prematurely from Iraq, to withdraw in disgrace.

It would embolden the enemy greatly, and I think it would eventually place us in more, not less, jeopardy.

Don't misunderstand.

I think Bush blundered horrifically here. And I am worried McCain may pursue the same disastrous neocon policies that so damaged Bush.

The initial decision to invade was based upon ignorance, false assumptions on how Iraqis would respond.

Then the blunder was compounded by disbanding the Iraqi army and purging Baathists from government.

Petraeus has been of great benefit.

We must leave some sort of stable Iraq.

I could not care less if it is "democratic"...only that it not export terror.

There will be no future "Iraqs", where we naively think we can reorder these ancient tribal societies, and bestow democracy.

Americans have learned a bitter lesson here.

The biggest blunder in our history
After Sept. 11 we made a big mistake--we thought we could re-make societies that were perceived as threats. We freaked out. Taking out Al Qaeda in Afghanistan made sense. But as the British and Soviets found out, an extended stay in Afghanistan wastes blood and treasure.

Remaking Iraq violates the conservative belief that rapid overthrow of traditions leads to radical extremism. Edmund Burke saw this in the French Revolution. Our Iraqi policy is pure hubris. We can win many a battle, but in the end those battles do not create stable institutions.

The above military report furthers the myth that we are somehow successful in Iraq. We cannot win. The people are not cowed as the Japanese were after WWII. President Bush should have listened to Colin Powell. Bush has hurt conservatism and the Republican party greatly. Worse still, this war will cost over a trillion dollars and needlessly killed thousands of troops.

DCR
You mentioned Edmund Burke on your 6:22 posting.

Here is a great Edmund Burke quote that may be applicable to Iraq:

"The effect of liberty upon individuals is that they may do what they please; we ought to see what it will please them to do, before we risk congratulations".

I think Burke was considering the French Revolution when he made that observation.

Burke was a true conservative...especially in his understanding of human nature.

edit!
Doesn't anyone edit this stuff? There are 4 whopping mistakes in the first several paragraphs "battalion and bridge-sized" - 'brigade-sized', more like.

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M. Yon Didn't Say...
that al Queda wasn't in Iraq before the war or invasion. He said: "Al Qaeda and associates had little or no presence in Iraq before the current war."

If you read his book you will see there were connections between Saddam's Iraq and al Queda. Admittedly, these connections were (and are) hard to pin down. But they are there.

However, Iran is now "flanked" by an increasingly more stable Iraq and Afghanistan. Syria is now flanked by an increasingly more stable Iraq, Israel, and the Med.

Answer to Pet Goat in Texas
Why are we in Iraq? Get the book "The Energy Non-Crisis by Lindsey Williams, Chaplain of the Alaska Pipe Line. It's available by just typing his name and book title in your tool bar, but you have to have a pay pal account to get it. If you can "handle the truth" get this book
To the skeptics: It has to do with the agenda fo the Oil cartel; BP & ARCO. Don't knock it until you've tried it. By the way, I have no financial interest in the book, just a strong desire to see the truth exposed.

I see all the coward Ron Paulettes
are rearing their ugly cowardly heads here. You pathetic pieces of crap are truly a despicable display of worthless human flesh. As I read the words written by you scum, I pray to my savior and thank him for giving me a spine strong enough to carry you pukes. Thank God that real men and women in this country bore the load that you sorry filthy cowards could never bare. I hope all of you un-patriotic worms get you pathetic heads lopped off by the Eagles of this country. I grow weary of your worthless contributions to my great nation.

Iraq/Obama/McCain
Terrorist War I continues with Iran on deck.

If Obama is elected, our troops will leave and Iran will move in. The terrorists will also
gain ground in Afghanistan. Conditions will be similiar to 9-11-01, the official start of the Terrorist War. America will be confronted by the madman running Iran, now in position with more striking power. The terrorists, with no worries on their home turf, will take aim at America again. The Terrorist War II begins.
Iran out in front.

If McCain is elected, Terrorist War I
continues. No foot hold is gained by Iran. Iraq and Afghanistan remain as is. The battle continues in the Middle East, not in America.








Bush's War
The war was an invasion of a country based on a lie. The reason Al Queda was a negligible presence in Iraq was Saddam hated terrorist and executed everyone he could get his hands on. The Al Queda leader was a Saudi as were most of the suicide gang that attacked the US. Why didn't we invade Saudi Arabia? Instead Bush sent a plane around in the US to pick up all the bin Ladens and fly them out of the US before the FBI and CIA had a chance to question them.
Of course the US military can win a war, when it's allowed to win.
Bush invades a country and allows Mexico to invade the US. He's big on invasions.

teach1
Have to disagree. The prose flows and carries the reader along, eager for more. I wish I could write like that.

Goforth #23
If Saddem hated al Queda, then why were so many of his army officers members of al Queda? And don't say they were "double-agents", that only works with civilian personnel. Saddem might not have fully trusted al Queda; but he used them for his purposes.

Brain Washed Americans
Wow, I wonder why so many left wing Democrats such as Kimberly even come to a Conservative site. The media has sure brained wash her and many others like her I see.

You call it the Bush lie, yet forget it was Congress who voted to go to war. Now don't even go there and try to say they were lied to. They read the same report as Pres. Bush and came to the same conclusion, unless you think this bunch of Democratic Congressmen don't understand what they are reading. If so, we are in deep shi-, and they make Policies for this country???

Excuses is all we hear from the left now, well keep on believing them and when you wake up, it could be toooooooo late to change your mind.
Joy

Right
"never been co-opted by Left or Right, Military or Media."

I have yet to read anyone or anything on Town Hall that wasn't "right".

As much as you all lament MSM, they do on occasion act objectively, something the right wing doesn't believe in. So while MSM has a left wing bias, they aren't completely insane. The whole point of Town Hall is to be subjectively right wing, so why say anything else? It's ok if Michael Yon is right wing. So you are not going to find any of his stuff in the MSM or on Huffington Post.

So what's with the pretense that he's not right wing?

Is it possible that may finally be learning that at least *trying* to be objective will get you a larger audience and be more convincing?

Nah, you'd never believe that in a million years because that might put in the MSM category that you despise so much. You all don't believe in being objective.

Which begs the question, why the pretense?


Its funny
that all the people over in the region are hailing the efforts of the troops and their progress, and all the dopes here that never set foot in the region call it a complete an utter failure. Thats pretty amazing to me, DOPES!

Hey DCR,
The idea was not to gratuitously "remake" some needy, dysfunctional country like Iraq. The idea was to preempt a real threat. We could have accomplished this by obliterating them, or done something a little more humane like "remaking"; them as difficult as that may be.

SSGT
The fact is that most of the lefties believe as Stephen King does; that only illiterate dimwits join the military. That's the way they BELIEVE it to be so how could it be otherwise? Didn't you know, it's what everyone believes? Everybody knows that. Everybody. All normal people. So, now that we have established that fact, (because EVERYONE knows it's true) than you have to admit that your betters have a much clearer understanding of any situation than poor, less bright, illiterate service members.

SSGT
I agree. Nothing but a bunch of stateside warriors hopeing for failure so they can say "I told ya so". Pathetic.

ssgt
Right on about your comments regarding all the experts sitting home at their computors who are military experts and experts on Iraq.

Are some of these experts similar to Hillary Clinton who thinks Patraeus lies?

Yon's Perspective
From the wiki entry is looks like Yon was a soldier before beginning to write.

His work is a little rough, but "feels" real. I'd say that's because he lived a lot of it. The style is similar to other battle field naratives I've read. Most have a tendency to use language in an attempt to capture the feeling of being there. However, it's a task that is nearly impossible.

To "Atheist Provocateur", you state that Yon is really just a right-winger. Have you considered that possibility that anyone writing in a way that is sympathetic to the soldiers will be considered "right wing" to someone who is NOT? I think you're casting your world view onto Yon rather than identifying him.

But if you want to know where he's coming from take look at the #2 Picture archived by Time Magazine here: http://www.time.com/time/potw/2005_viewers_choice/


A River in Egypt
Ultimately I think we are all in denial if we don't acknowledge that, whether we like it or not, Iraq has become part of the struggle against Islamo-fascism, due to the involvement of Iran, Syria, and others who support Islamic terrorism. I don't know why you folks on the left can't just admit to yourselves that these people want to kill us. Period. As a matter of fact, it is the more liberal of our philosophies that they hate the most. It may be an oversimplification, but I think in a religiously motivated war, these arguments serve no purpose other than to weaken us. They will want to kill us regardless of what we do. My question has been when do you wish to start fighting back? When we're facing an Islamic nuclear cartel? Maybe after they nuke a few cities?

Jeffery
You hit the nail on the head regarding the left wing analysis of Mr. Yon's political leanings. Even centrists are accused of being right wingers when disagreeing with The Daily Move-on Huffin' position.

True patriots.

Oh, how I love those fine people with a vested interest in America's defeat.

Now, where did I put my barf bag...?

From the Source
Thanks bravemonk199. It's nice to hear from
something other than an armchair, sidelined, critic on the Iraq complexities.

USNbubblehead
What I've noticed about Iraq, despite the ranting of Cheyne, is they hate the AQ menace and kicked them out. Having a large American force in Iraq will only cause more anti-Americanism, they simple want to have no foreigners in Iraq and want to make their own mistakes and rule themselves. The left oddly has been the one side to push the President to fight our war against the thugs and terrorist that attacked us. Bush had to be dragged into letting a 9/11 commission study what happened and what needs to be fixed and from I've read, they haven't fixed much. That's why, among other things, Katrina hit so many people hard, here, after millions of dollars, our response to a catastrophe was elephanine bureaucratic blundering. It's about time we fight the war against AQ and the resurgence of the Taliban with more than Bush fantasy land talk.

bubblehead/loco/jeffery/peace
I'm so chapped at these mindfull wanna-bees and their so called claims of defeat to the troops and their (so called) patriotic rants of how horrible this country is for doing the right thing. I hope the next roadside bomb is found in their driveways (after the fact of course)

KL
My point is that Iraq IS part of the battlefield now. Whether or not it was before our intervention is irrelevant. Lose here, and you hand a tremendous victory to the enemy of religious freedom. I think the fact that you are still engaging in a 'war argument' shows that you either don't understand the ramifications of defeat in Iraq, or you think we should all convert to Islam and begin our pilgrimage to Mecca. Through all your gas, that's ultimately what it comes down to.

Taft
Well, I think I can see that over time, our presence there could indeed foment resentment. Much of this goes back to the broken 1920/1921 (British and French) promises to the Arab delegation. Still, despite the fact that many of us our a little (or more) dissatisfied with the execution of a rather risky strategy, we can't let the vacuum we helped to create be filled with the ideology of our enemy. It could be a bigger setback than losing the Philippines in 1942.

KL
I hope your domicile faces mecca. It will make things much easier for you. As for as maintaining support, one would hope that, in view of the bigger picture, you left leaners would support your own countries victory over an obviously determined and ruthless enemy. An enemy that declared war on us. Hmmm...when exactly was that anyway.....? Oh yeah, during the last Democratic administration. Yes, we sicked the US justice system on them. (I bet the were really scared!!)Maybe you should wonder how Americans are going to feel supporting you. After all, when your candidates receive endorsements from people with whom we are presently at war, it doesn't bode well for your party.

Most of you forget
we said after WW II, "Never again." We would never afgain let some dictator(s) create wars of aggression (for Saddam:c Iran 8 years and Kuwait which moblized the UN against Iraq) and/or allow the massacre people (Saddam killed 1000s of Kurds with Sarin gas--convicted of the crime[s]) without response.
Saddam told the FBI while he was under arrest he was just waiting for the UN inspectors to be gone awhile before he restarted his WMD ambitions.
No world power has ever survived not exercising its power, and as we have been in a state of war, according to Islamic radicals who have declared war on us for decades, not to fight back with all force is a virtual suicide.
We have freed 24,000,000 Iraqis with c. 150,000 troops and for our losses, terrible as all war deaths are, we kill c. 1000 a year perpetually in NJ on our public highways which no one ever notices and certainly never march anywhere against to stop automobile slaugher that has been killing c. 40,000 a year in Am. since the 1930s and overshadows by millions all the sacrifices every soldier has made for the US since the French and Indian Wars of the 1750s.
The Middle East cannot fall out of our influence as long as we get 30% of foreign oil imports from there and as long that rotten area of the world provides energy to almost every nation on earth.
When the loony left that opposes the Iraq war relents so the continental US can supply is own energy by exploration and development here, some of our vital interest in the ME will possibly abide, but surely not until then.

King Liberal
Are you really a queen? It's all about the argument for you. That is, how can the liberals use the war to discredit the Republicans that you want to defeat politically here in the United States so that you can propel your marxist/atheist agenda here at home. You don't really care about the war as long as you can elect a president who will nominate more communists to the supreme court who will force the American people to accept the feminist/multiculturist/atheist/communist agenda. And you call Bush a liar.

FDR
I think he said it best when answering the voices who felt unsure of how to proceed. He acknowledged that the US was sailing through uncharted waters, and no-one knew for sure the correct course of action, with any certainty. But he knew we needed to do SOMETHING. Sure,were bound to make mistakes (Democrats are far from immune to this), but still, prudence demands that we move forward. This is war. There are no do-overs. When you step in it, you own it. We cannot simply reshuffle the deck because some of us don't agree with how it was dealt. I know that many of you radical lefties will never acknowledge that, in war, one must assume a certain level of pragmatism. On the battlefield much of this blather we all are participating in on TH is moot. You either win and live or lose and die. I'm not saying "don't dissent". What I'm trying to impress upon you is that were in this thing together, whether you personally like it or not. The ball is in play. Who do you root for?

Book just came in the mail
I bought it before seeing the TH offer. Opps. Can't wait to read it and can't wait for the pro-US movie being made about the war - assuming it gets made.

Some of us do like the truth around here.

Long War Journal

Let’s see...who should I believe? Sen. Harry Reid and “the war is lost” crowd? Or the professionals actually in theater? Hmmm...let me mull this over awhile.

There’s another independent imbedded source of information coming from Iraq. It’s called the “Long War Journal” and they could use your support.

I just spent the last hour-and-a-half reading articles by Bill Ardolino, one of the contributors. I don’t know how much money these guys make, but whatever it is (like our troops) it’s not enough.

This is probably the most credible source of information I’ve seen coming directly from Iraq, yet these guys are begging for money.

If the CPB can distribute tax dollars to NPR and PBS (Bill Moyer ring a bell), then why can’t they provide grants to help the guys risking their lives, to get near real-time information out of Iraq? Or maybe they’re already “reporting” another version of the story.

I proudly redistributed some of my public tax-funded military retirement pay to support this effort.

Dear King
If I and others are such morons why are you so angry as to be even more incoherent than usual when confronted with a rational post. Anyway, our enemies certainly listen to you and those of your ilk. But you already know this, your comments along with those of DNC and the MSM shout to the enemy, "Hold on! Kill more Americans! Hold on at least until the election!" This is the shame of it. The troops are merely pawns in your political game and I do not any evidence of the shame. And you know it. Your desire for the extinction of those with whom you disagree is sincere and those of your persuasion would gladly wish for a government that would execute, shall we say , your wishes.

Rants that Reek
I'm beginning to see why most posters here have no patience for you and your brand of nonsense. Touch a nerve did I? If a couple of FBI (or CIA) agents can perform an economical and effective operation, then I'm all for it. That is not, of course, why they were initially involved, unless they got lucky. I've volunteered to serve my country and fulfilled my obligation in that regard. I still support our military in the defense industry. What about you? How do you serve your country? By calling me a douchb@g. Ok! That's a winning argument! Of course I listen to my enemies. If I was still in the service, I'd probably be listening a lot closer. And I guess that if someone didn't support killing those who would kill my family if they could, then I wouldn't have much use for them. I'm not going to lower the conversation further. Just like a typical radical, you come unglued with anyone who disagrees with you. Actually, I kind of like being a doucheb@g. Makes it easier to tell a real fool, like yourself, to Go To Hell.

tedmug
Re: your 11:26
Spot on!!

Yon's Iraq
SSgt. Stand down. Dont worry SSgt they like you on that wall. As long as they arent getting dirty. Mr Bush's war sucks this is true But we need to win this of you can kiss your freedom good bye you morons bring our soldiers home with there heads down like Vietnam. the middle east will come west
"Let us understand: North Vietnam cannot defeat or humiliate the United States. Only Americans can do that." Richard M. Nixon, television broadcast, 3 Nov. 1969.

King "Typical Liberal" doesn't realize

that the real problem(s) with Iraq is (are) the liberals!

They refuse to understand the real issues and the consequences of leaving the ME in chaos... and what the ultimate result will cause not only this country, but the rest of the world..


bulldog
standing down is something we have done way to long. The time for standing up is here, now and for the future of our country. I will not sit back and take their lies and wimperings and cowardess any longer. The tiny little threads here are just something to keep me busy at times. I do most of my efforts thru my VFW and local area rally's. We will not loose this one, the troops will come home with their heads held high this time, and we will be proud of the job we did to free a suffering country.

ASSumptions
The only thing I have done here is ask you a question and state my own opinion. You like to project a lot of attributes onto me that you have no evidence of. Mistakes!? No kidding. Did you think we wouldn't make any? I'm not at all convinced that the reasons for going to Iraq (WMD's) was not valid. Hell, if I had as much time to get rid of any evidence.........but I digress.
"Who do you root for?" as a question, is an attempt to find out whether you are genuinely interested in honest critique in an effort to move forward, and putting it to you in a simple form. Not to insult your intelligence (something you seem to enjoy doing to others) but to find a starting point from which we can agree. Yeah, I read the whole rant; if I'm willing to listen to my enemies, then I can't see how ignoring you is constructive. So I'll level other, more complex questions: what's YOUR plan? What assets would YOU deploy. What would YOUR diplomatic mission look like? This is a prime opportunity to prove that you are above adversarial politics.

King Lib
chirps:
"We are all Americans but the GOP seemed to forget that in the rush to buy flag pins."

At least we are willing to pin them on! Your savior Obambi and troop puller outer refuses to even put one on. Nice leader you've chosen there, Liber-stank!

Run along now
"I guess we are done here."

I may be a doucheb@g, but you are an arrogant b@stard. You are only here to argue.

USNbubblehead
let me answer your question to KL. He is voting for Obambi! That tells you all you need to know about his position on Iraq. There no refuting it, even though he may try.

SSGT
Amen!

This is why I came off the sidelines of discussion.

Dear King
Oh, I correct myself I didn't know you were a dissenter. I thought you were a cheerleader for the enemy. As a dissenter, of course, you are exempt from any criticism because, we all know, dissent is an insulator, a deflector of all argument, of the highest order. I now of some other dissenters, William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn.

Hey Hey
I dont know why yall are even debating Queen LIB for he has been saying the same thing for over 4 yrs now and you want never get him to admit they he wants the U.S. to lose. It is in the DEMs favor that we lose in Iraq. He knows this and will continue to blame everything on Bush reguardless of what happened or is still to happen.

What is sad is that they(LIBS) know that if Oblama or Hitlery is elected that they are not going to leave IRAQ because then it wouldnt be in their best interest to have lost the WAR on their Term. They will continue to fight but LIBS will try and take credit for winning the WAR and I think we REPS all know that.

But what is still funny is the fact that they sit on their computors and refuse to listen to the Troops who have been their and fought.

King LIB
Wow you sure need to be run out and buy some more KOOL-Ade and go back to your moms basement.

If we want anymore crap out of you we will just WIPE and FLUSH.

Go back to HUFF-N-PUFF and daily Kos and listen to more of GEORGIE SORARSE

You have been shown on here more than once all those LIB leaders who claimed that Sadaam had WMDs before Bush even took office but as usual you LIBS like to blame everyone else but yourselfs.

BYE BYE

re: King Liberal
"Mike Yon might be a right winger-but his critism of US military leadership got him banned from Iraq twice by the US Military.
Seems to me Yon's book is not going to hold back with where he thought we went wrong and who was pulling the trigger. "

Ok, there are two angles for promoting Yon's book as I see it, neither of which address my fundamental concern: nation building.

1.) Narrative success story. The narrative is suppose to sway people about winning.
2.) Criticism. Right winger criticizing the war validates those of us who are right wing and hate the war.

Here's the problem. No amount of Narrative is going to change the fact that I'm not for nation building. Period. And I don't need any more criticism to be convince the war was a debacle.
I believe in old-school, George Bush Senior style conservativism whereby he didn't overthrow Saddam. At some point in the last 8 years being conservative went from being against nation building to being for nation building and nobody bothered to send me the memo. Or ask me my opinion because it hasn't changed. On that day I became a liberal by virtue of the fact the party left me.

I have always been against nation building and we are nation building in Iraq. Not one pundit on Town Hall has come out against nation building. Not one. Michael Yon has a vested interest in nation building because he's invested in the fighting.

Iraq will be a pyrrhic victory if there ever is a victory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory



Dear USN
Keep firing. By the way, my son just got "under way."

tedmug
God bless him! As long as people like him continue to answer the call, then there's a future for us (that doesn't involve sharia law).
I'm gonna do another TMA leg, load some more warshot, and match bearings.
Stand by.

pyrhhic
Conservatives know the meaning of the word. The USA is not Epirus. Leaving the conservative persuasion for liberalism because of nation building. That does not ring true. Sorry.

SSGT, see a doctor...
You're suffering from an acute case of testosterone poisoning.

Better yet, see a shrink. You've gone insane.

Kimberly from CT response
to Ms Kimberly in CT. Apparently she does not get it at all. Mr. Yon is there and is in the middle of it all and is seeing things first hand and without thte slant that is so obvious in the current media culture. What - if it isn't liberally slanted it must not be true. Hey Kim, wake up and smell the coffee - which by the way, the guys in Iraq and Afghanistan cannot readily get. They deserve better than a head in the clouds liberal.

King Lib Writes
"And I'm dissenting. apparently you don't read so good because I've never said get out. I'm saying get the right people in there to maje this work and the right people have proven not to be the Bush admin or any of its surogates"

And just who might those right people be?
Do you really think the Democrats could have done it better? If so How? Please enlighten us..

Man bites Dog
"Leaving the conservative persuasion for liberalism because of nation building. That does not ring true."
Yeah, it seems a little extreme to me, too. I'm not particularly fond of nation building either. When we were gearing up for Iraq showdown part 2, I thought: this is either very brilliant or very stupid. Maybe it could have been brilliant, if managed differently, who knows. None the less it's where we are now.
Atheist P: There is another choice. Maybe he is simply reporting the facts as he sees them. That's one of the issues I take with the far left these days. The inability to suspend disbelief. When folks on the scene report something that doesn't jive with Dem taking points then the person doing the reporting just HAS to have some right wing agenda. Although some journalists do, indeed, lean right, and some, likewise, lean left, Both YON and Totten come off pretty straightforward to me. I don't always agree. Nor do I always disagree. However they ARE there, and I am in New Hampshire.

Perry White
why don't you go grab hold of a live wire in a a breaker box and see what happens. At minimum, you'll get an over due hairstyle!

Tedmug
send our best to your brave new sailor, will ya?

Shocking!!
SSGT:
Now, I just got the damn thing fixed from the last squirrel! How am I gonna watch Grey's Anatomy if the lights go out!?

bubllehead
don't you have one of those expensive diesel generators for emergencies? sheesh,

I do doubt Perry will take me up on my offer. Hippies like their hair long, stringy, tangled and dirty. They don't like change!

Generations
Alright, I'll fire-up the Morse-Fairbanks if I absolutely HAVE to. (The A-gangers will cry, though.)

perry white
""SSGT, see a doctor...
You're suffering from an acute case of testosterone poisoning.
Better yet, see a shrink. You've gone insane""

This is pretty coming from the guy who thinks he's a cartoon character.

As usual, like the typical lefty, you have nothing to refute the actual article, instead you jump straight to the ad-hominems.

Why don't you come back when you have something useful to add to the conversation, which will be pretty much Never.

What a twit

Hey Jack
hows it kickin?

Yawnnnnnnnnnnnn.....
Sheesh!!!!!!!!!!!! SOS eh Bush/US haters?!?!? Why doens't it sink in that it's NOT Bush's war. It' the US war against terror/Islamofascists!!!! The President can not declare war all by himself. WHy is it so easy to forget that it was with Congress' approval!!! There was international intelligence that everyone had that prompted the actions. Saddam thumbed his nose at the UN sanctions, he shot @ our aircraft in the no fly zones...etc, etc, etc, ad nauseam. This "war" is much unlike any we have fought before. Enemy firing from houses with families still in them, roadside bombs, mortars fired from Mosques. OK, we didn't think the Japaneese would/could attack us. Look at how many good people we lost on all of those beaches, the kamakazi attacks that wreaked havoc on those naval vessels. It seems like we always start out on the wrong foot.......but we always adapt. I would hate to have seen what would have happened if all of the no war, peacenik libs and this MSM we have today, if this were the 40's and the same situations were occuring!

Kudos to Mr Yon
I have been reading Michael Yon's dispatches from Iraq/afghanistan for over a year now, and one thing I can say is, he's not in Anyone's pocket.

The idiots on this thread saying he's just a tool of the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" are speaking from their anal orifices.

Yon has chronicled over and over how much of the military brass did their best to keep him off the battlefield because he wasn't afraid to show the negative along with the positive.

Yon has been an invaluable source of the Real news from the front lines, unlike the stuff we get from the alphabet networks which has been run through their liberal prisms before we see it.

I recommend all Right thinking people on this site to support Michael Yon if you can, buy his book, send him a donation, or go to http://www.michaelyon-online.com and buy an autographed copy of his book. His readers are the only source of funds he has to keep doing the job.

My autographed book should arrive any day and I can't wait to read it.

To the trolls like kinky liberal, I'd extend the offer to read the book to you too, but we all know that silly things like Facts just get in the way of leftist ideology.


Jackpine Savage...
writes: ...you have nothing to refute the article, instead you jump straight to the ad-hominems... Why don't you come back when you have something useful to add...?

PW: Can't really add much to Boutte's excellent post or Atheist Provocateur's nice catch of the fake objectivity pitch in the preface to Yon's views. Still, it is amusing to find a TH clone
complaining about ad-hominem.

TH is the international headquarters of ad homineum argument, spawning such gems as ....Hitlery... Obambi... McAmnesty and so forth.


Jackpine
I've got to agree, it never has sounded to me that he is in the tank for anyone but our troops (and that's more of an affection thing). The thing that keeps reinforcing itself to me since I started posting here is that those on the left don't believe in any motivation that doesn't have sinister undercurrents, or contrary agenda. Vast right wing conspiracy indeed!! More like caustic malignant cynicism. That whole "I know what you really think, you can't fool me" mentality. What unbridled arrogance.

The Reasons We Are in Iraq
I know, I know. A very long and sad story, but one that must be told.

I'll write slow so that the liberals and democrats can keep up.

Iraq invaded Kuwait.

We kicked them out and told them they must adhere to the cease fire conditions or hostilities would resume.

17 failed UN resolutions all implying force would be used to insure compliance.

Corrupt Oil for Food Program that Saddam used to try to drive a wedge between allies. (This actually worked, somewhat.)

For the rest of the story, consider that Iraq violated the cease fire conditions almost daily.

Iraq failed to comply with the UN Sanctions.

Google al-Tuwaitha. Google Georges Sada. Read what you find.

That's why we went.

Did we make mistakes? Yes.

Have we learned from them? Yes.

Is progress being made? Yes, ask the soldiers.

The rest is political pandering, hyperbole, rhetoric over content and plain old BDS. Grow up, find the facts, get over it.

Bush admin. ignored Iraq corruption

Ex-officials: Bush admin. ignored Iraq corruption
How bad is it?

NPR-The Bush administration repeatedly ignored corruption at the highest levels within the Iraqi government and kept secret potentially embarrassing information so as not to undermine its relationship with Baghdad, according to two former State Department employees.

Arthur Brennan, who briefly served in Baghdad as head of the department’s Office of Accountability and Transparency last year, and James Mattil, who worked as the chief of staff, told Senate Democrats on Monday that their office was understaffed and its warnings and recommendations ignored.

Brennan also alleges the State Department prevented a congressional aide visiting Baghdad from talking with staffers by insisting they were too busy. In reality, Brennan said, office members were watching movies at the embassy and on their computers. The staffers’ workload had been cut dramatically because of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki’s “evisceration” of Iraq’s top anti-corruption office, he said.

The State Department’s policies “not only contradicted the anti-corruption mission but indirectly contributed to and has allowed corruption to fester at the highest levels of the Iraqi government,” Brennan told the Senate Democratic Policy Committee.

read more

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/ex-officials-bush- admin-ignored-iraq-corruption

Geminiguy
Robert, Hal and other far left plants here at TH from Moveon."traitors"org, Media "I Hate America" Matters and the the Daily "Crap" Kos are filled with unimagineable hate for America. Currently working 24-7 to get their far left candidate in the White House, Obama is the man of their dreams. Speaking of Obama, let's look at Iraq.

Iraq: The John Edwards clone without the hair, Obama will wave the White Flag and yell at the top of his lungs, "I Surrender", two minutes after taking office.

How 'bout the Supreme Court.

Supreme Court: It's unthinkable. You'll find out how far left Obama really is with the announcement of his nominee.

This brings us to John McCain.

Iraq: No one. But no one will defend America better than John McCain. That is not opinion. It's fact.

Supreme Court: McCain has stated that he will present a conservative for nomination. Also a fact.

Who should be in the White House come 2009?

It's clear to me.

Gotta love it:
"rape and torture the prisoners" ONE night of frat boy perversion (by a VERY few criminals) is now wholesale rape and torture. I don't care what Hugh and others say you lost me there. YOUR BOOK is no longer the next one I am going to buy, as a matter of fact I'll never buy it! I can only conclude wholesale slander like that is throughout the book. You try to say how brave and forthright you are, that's not brave it slanderous self-righteousness.

SSGT
Kickin' pretty well actually :o)

Feel like kickin a few trolls today too :o)


KL
Alright, if you can get over identifying douchb@gs (a moniker I shall now wear proudly)and get over yourself, I'll agree that forceful installment of any political ideology is problematic at best, and furthermore shouldn't be our strategy (no, I'm not a fan of 'nation building'). Not against religious orthodoxy, at any rate; it doesn't seem plausible to me. It isn't regurgitation of conservative talking points that causes me to reject the setting of timetables, just good common-sense military thinking. Of course, relying on corrupt "allies" to do their jobs isn't exactly sound military judgment either. Once again, a little 'Marshal Plan' foresight would have been helpful, and I am just as disgusted as the next guy over that. More troops in Afghanistan may be helpful, probably, but we must be mindful not to repeat the Soviet's 'steamroller' mistake. I'm a little surprised that you would draw down troops before "We would fight the war that we haven't been either able or willing to fight instead of sitting on hands while the Iraqis "try" to do it." Seems to my military mind that you still need more troops, in both places. I've got to disagree with the premise of "if they haven't worked it out in 6 months, etc..." Timetables only work against us, first of all. Second, if we are only willing to spent 'X' amount of time on it, then we can't be serious. I think our enemy doesn't care how much time it takes, they'll wait us out, if they think we'll quibble.

KL
Now, I completely agree that we'll never be true partners with the Islamic world. Ever. I have no use for the Saudi Government either, they are allies of convenience only it would seem. My point to this is that ultimately we are fighting a religious war, and not likely to find staunch allies anywhere in the Islamic world. Even our alliance with Turkey is tenuous at best. Pan Arab dialog? Well, OK, but I have my doubts as to how effective it will be with the likes of Syria and Iran. I wouldn't believe anything they said anyway. Fine. Talk. I'm going to stat locked and loaded anyway. Just in case.
Feel free to call me a doucheb@g anytime the mood strikes you.

Kinky Lib as usual doesn't get it
""The current Iraqi government is corrupt and ineffectual. they are givien six MORE AND FINAL months to RECONCILE THEIR POLITCAL DIFFRENCES. Can't get it done in six months?""

Here's a little homework assignment for ya KL,

After the revolutionary war, exacly how many "months' did it take for us to form a functioning government? And we didn't have a bunch of crazies with a death wish blowing up our children.

If you had ever actually READ someof Yon's dispatches, instead of getting your news from huffy-puffy, you'd know that , although the central govt. in Iraq is dysfunctional(but improving) the Grass Roots local govt. is alive and well and functioning quite well.

Of course to a lefty, the central govt is the be-all and end-all of everything.

Try getting some Real facts once in a while instead of liberal spin and maybe you wouldn't look like such an idiot most of the time.


TC...........
Yes....................I have seen and I have posted/replied to several of them. Although I have been coming here for a relativly short time, I have been appalled and disgusted (butt should have known) by some the tone, hate, resentment and guile formented here by the left. I'm truly frightened by the prospects of an uncertain future. I pray that our country see's the light.

USNbubblehead
""The thing that keeps reinforcing itself to me since I started posting here is that those on the left don't believe in any motivation that doesn't have sinister undercurrents, or contrary agenda. Vast right wing conspiracy indeed!""

Well it's actually easy to understand once you remember that their entire ideology is based on Lies.

Even Marx said that to get his "reforms" established they would have to Lie to the the proletariat. (for their own good)

Why do you think the libs have to re-invent themselves every couple years? It's to keep the gullible, gullible.

You can show a liberal a concrete rock solid fact that they can see with their own eyes and they will either reject it out of hand, or try to find some way to twist it to serve their nefarious purposes.

"liberals" are nothing but Marxists, pure and simple, and they will never stop lying until they get their workers paradise. They have their heroes to look up to, such sterling characters as Mussolini, Franco, Pol-Pot, Kim Jung Il, Stalin, and Hitler.


Right, Kinky Liberal????

Superman's Boss (he thinks)
""PW: Can't really add much to Boutte's excellent post or Atheist Provocateur's nice catch of the fake objectivity pitch in the preface to Yon's views. Still, it is amusing to find a TH clone complaining about ad-hominem.""

If you had 2 working brain cells bouncing around in that void you call your skull, you'd be intelligent enough to know that the preface wasn't from Yon's book.

Of course this would require the ability to think clearly and possibly reason for yourself. We know that's impossible for a true believer like you PW. You only believe it when your "betters" at Kos tell you something, otherwise it has to be a lie, Right?

Here's a quarter, go buy a clue.

Geminiguy
Welcome. Good to have you here. About TH and the left......

Like Fox News and Conservative Talk Radio, TH drives the left up the wall. The liberals best friend, MSM, no longer controls all aspects of news in America. Also, there is good news on the election front.

The white, working class vote (Democrat and Republican) will be a huge factor. The best chance we have of keeping America out of the hands of the radical left will be decided by this group.

A few prayers wouldn't hurt, however.

T.C.
""The white, working class vote (Democrat and Republican) will be a huge factor. The best chance we have of keeping America out of the hands of the radical left will be decided by this group""

I wholeheartedly agree T.C. And the difference is going to be a Lot larger than the dim dems realize. They claim that all the skeletons falling out of Obama's closet aren't having an impact, then point to SC poll numbers.

What about all the white working class voters who voted for obama early like in IOWA feel about the "post racial" candidate they voted for turning into another al sharpton?

How many of those voters are now asking themselves "Who the hell did I vote for?"

Obama my get the dem nomination, but so did Dukakis, we know how well that turned out huh?

And to think we were so worried about this guy.

Another rev wright type eruption and obama will be wishing he'd gotten as many votes as dukakis.

And trust me, the Hillary Clinton machine isn't done dragging out skeletons yet.

Smeary
Ahmedinajad's commentary not mine. I'm not using it against you. (Certainly not personally.) My point is that our enemies are using the Democratic positions as a propaganda tool against us. The whole us. We, as a country of individuals, are being polarized into hardened camps. If we can't at least agree to disagree, then our chances of survival are bleak. All I'm trying to say is: look guys, they're taking solace from our division. They are even placing chips. This can't be good. If someone like that sawed-off little twerp in Iran started parroting my politics, I think I would take a good long look at how my position is perceived externally, at the very least. If we can all pull back to our point of mutual agreement (that the jihadists are definitely out to kill us, and we need to fight back)maybe the nation "shall not perish" after all. Cooler heads prevail.
(I AM a doucheb@g, though.)

Gotta go.
Time, tide, and daycare wait for no man.
Regards all -USNBH

TC
Thnx........I guess that being from PA(not usre where) there's quite a lot of libs that are angry & confused as they are here in Fl. I'm fortunate that I have been able to discuss w/my 13yo G'daugh about politics, especially now. I've advised her to listen to BOTH sides and to make an educated decision on what she has seen or heard. Just this wknd her best friends mom was talking about what a GREAT POTUS Shillary would make because.................SHE's A WOMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think she now has a better understanding. ;{>

Jackpine Savage
White Working Class Voters (WWCV), especially in Ohio and PA, can not be underestimated. Here in PA, polls show the state is in play. Since the Dems. control this state (solid as steel in Pittsburgh and Philly) this is nothing short of astonishing. It's a grassroots movement which gives McCain a strong chance.

And, as you noted, the same type of dynamic will be involved in other states.

Kimberly 5% AlQaeda
Thanks Kimberly for passing along your exact awareness of the % of card carrying, uniformed members of Al Qaeda. How do our men taking shots from all 100% of those ouit to kill us, make your determination?

Or do you also have exact numbers and definitions to fit what is an insurgent in each battle?

Sounds like you could really be a big help over there!

To everyone
Click on my name and stop by my blog to learn about Carl Magee, a great American whose achievement has touched the lives of all of us.

Hope to see all of you there!

Boutte is full of hot air
Rarely does he say anything of value nor get any facts about Yon correct...he posts everyone Yon is mentioned --- like Blue Texan -- mostly seeking attn.

Yon’s blunt reporting often angered the top brass..."

When? How often? Not enough to prevent him virtually joining the battle while covering it. Petraeus is "a great general", is he?

WHEN & HOW OFTEN: ALL of 2006.
Wrote about it on his website, had an article published about it in The Weekly Standard..discussed it in numerous interviews.

Virtually joining the battle is one thing that got him in trouble with the brass as well as truthfully reporting the BAD & The UGLY along with the good.

Boutte can't even get simple facts straight and then he spews out this crap--

"Yon, as a matter of policy, refuses to confront the big picture-- giving off an air of impartiality, but in actuality trying to smother doubts in a welter of anecdotes about individual derring-do and self-sacrifice. He stokes a patriotic glow, hoping to thaw the icy doubts about whether any of it is worth it."

This ludicrous assertion from the demented mind of Boutte prove that he has read very little of Mike's work and can't understand what little he has read. Most of what BobbleHead Butte spews out is projection of his own biases mixed in with a large dose of stupidity.

Yon isn't impartial - he's always admitted to being pro soldier and pro victory.

Hey Boutte, your town called, their fool is still missing.

Boutte is full of hot air
Rarely does he say anything of value nor get any facts about Yon correct...he posts everyone Yon is mentioned --- like Blue Texan -- mostly seeking attn.

Boutte quotes: Yon’s blunt reporting often angered the top brass..." then asks:

When? How often? Not enough to prevent him virtually joining the battle while covering it. Petraeus is "a great general", is he?

WHEN & HOW OFTEN: ALL of 2006.
Wrote about it on his website, had an article published about it in The Weekly Standard..discussed it in numerous interviews.

Virtually joining the battle is one thing that got him in trouble with the brass as well as truthfully reporting the BAD & The UGLY along with the good.

Boutte can't even get simple facts straight and then he spews out this crap--

"Yon, as a matter of policy, refuses to confront the big picture-- giving off an air of impartiality, but in actuality trying to smother doubts in a welter of anecdotes about individual derring-do and self-sacrifice. He stokes a patriotic glow, hoping to thaw the icy doubts about whether any of it is worth it."

This ludicrous assertion from the demented mind of Boutte prove that he has read very little of Mike's work and can't understand what little he has read. Most of what BobbleHead Butte spews out is projection of his own biases mixed in with a large dose of stupidity.

Yon isn't impartial - he's always admitted to being pro soldier and pro victory.

Hey Boutte, your town called, their fool is still missing.

T.C.
"Since the Dems. control this state (solid as steel in Pittsburgh and Philly)"

Maybe not Allegheny this year. Allegheny Sportsmen's League has 200,000+ 'clinging' gun owners that won't be happy to give up their guns to The Oblahma.
Pittsburgh is a union city too, and I don't think unions like 'Barry O, everyman' very much either.
I could be way off about that though, just a gut feeling.

deerhunter
Could be on target!

A great Sportsmen State like ours should not be an automatic W for the Dems every election.

Would love to see our state go for McCain. The other guy is more suited for San Franciso, anyway. The John Edwards Clone(minus the hairdo)will do very well in that city, btw.

POTUS? Yikes!

Pour two Iron City brews will ya? CHEERS! And let's do all we can to make sure Obama stays in the Senate. Or mayor of S.F. if he likes.



RE: Sorry. Does not ring true.
Gosh, Kimberly, how do you reconcile the fact that Yon has been on the ground in Iraq for years, and you can't find it on a map? According to you, everyone who is in Iraq are ignorant of the situation they live with, rather than knowledgable of everything like the majority of liberals, socialists, communists, and Democrats who "know with their hearts" what is troof. I would really like to hear the truth from those who fight in Iraq, and people like you who wouldn't know the truth if it took a dump on your carefully manicured lawn in your predominantly liberal neighborhood with your know it all attitudes and belief that you can't be wrong about anything.

Do me a favor, go make breakfast for your husband, and leave the global politics to the men in charge, you know, the ones that went to West Point, the ones with 30+ years of experience. I doubt you even know what a "Green Beret" is, and no, they don't sell them in the hat department at Macy's.


To Geminiguy
The only post I read here which was accurate. Congress voted, not once, but twice to go to war. They voted many times to continue funding it. Correctly. But to call it Bush's war reflects a very poor memory.
AW

a li8ttle note!
I AM PROUD OF PA. FOR WE HAVE THE BRAINS AS NOT TO BE FOOLED BY OBAMA! SO PLEASE ALL YOU FOOLS OUT THERE WAKE THE HE-- UP AND SEE THE LIGHT BEFORE IT'S TO LATE!

Bravo Zulu Micheal!
Bravo Zulu!

Michael Yon
Michael Yon is truly an American hero. His pictures tell the real story. The sad thing is General Patreas was not put in charge at the very beginning. He had the right idea about sending 50,000 more troops at the beginning. But, because of pride, politics and bull s___ he was ignored. Michael Yon is getting the true message out that the commies, socialists, political correct as___, social engineers, twisted minded dictators and all the misfits of society such the hooplawood crowd do not want the world to know. We are fighting for freedom to be individuals with the right to pursue happiness and not be dictated to by evil leaders that the muslims listen because they are ignorant too lazy to think for themselves.

Thanks to Michael Yon for the truth.

Politicalace


Three chapters in
Just started reading and have learned much so far. I hope the book sells well. I will be passing my signed copy along when I am finished.

T.C
"Pour two Iron City brews will ya? CHEERS!"

How about Yuengling Lagers instead?
CHEERS!

America is suffering
America is suffering unlawful deception from the Alinsky group.
Group u$urp$ power on January 20th—the constitution violated.
The United States Supreme Court alone can relieve this outrage.

example: Bogus Selective Service System FOIA Registration?
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/11/exclusive_d id_n.html

ARE YOU FINALLY READY TO SAVE AMERICA ?
YOU ARE NOT ALONE......join groups that are forming all over the US in every city as we speak.

1. View this video

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6732659166933078950

2. Then get this book (from Amazon?) and read "THE 5000 YEAR LEAP" ...it is in short supply and you will begin to understand what we are about to lose.

3. Then join one of Glenn Beck's "WE SURROUND THEM" groups ( forming up all over the country) and help us save our Republic before it is too late.

Follow these links to understand how this works............ you can start a group in your area or town to view the unveiling of Glenn's program this Friday or record it (Tivo- DVR) and watch it later. This may be our last chance to save America from Socialism and save our Republic.....PLEASE GET INVOLVED BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/21018 /

http://wesurroundthemmap.com/

http://www.meetup.com/We-Surround-Them-in-Fort-Worth/

4. And then for a little light reading......Ayn Rand's "ATLAS SHRUGGED" and learn who John Galt is (you will be hearing more about him).

All this should bring you up to speed and you can begin to help us save our country.
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