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Wednesday, March 11, 2009
Michael Reagan :: Townhall.com Columnist
Obama's Embryonic Stem Cell O.K. Can Kill
by Michael Reagan
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What President Obama did when he reversed President Bush's executive order banning embryonic stem cell research was based not on solid science, but his desire to cater to the anti-life, pro-abortion forces and their media allies who helped elect him.

In doing this, he created the potential for an outbreak of potentially fatal cancerous tumors caused by the therapeutic use of embryonic stem cells.

Moreover, he killed another Bush presidential order that funded some of the most promising research on the creation of embryonic-like stem cells from harmless but potent adult stem cells.

What President Obama did when he rescinded President Bush's federal ban on certain lines of embryonic stem cell research ultimately could cost American lives.

Obama and his subservient mainstream media allies ignored science in favor of politics, and the results will prove to be disastrous.

What most people are unaware of is that there are three types of stem cell research: there is embryonic stem cell research (ESC), there is induced pluripotent (IPSC) research, and adult stem cell research (ASC).

When Barack Obama rescinded George Bush's ban on federal funding on certain types of embryonic stem cell research he also rescinded Bush's Executive Order 13435 which had provided federal funding for induced pluripotent stem cell research using harmless adult stem cells manipulated into mimicking embryonic stem cells without the risk ESC cells entail.

This is where 72 different diseases are now being remedied or cured.

There are no embryonic stem cells being used anywhere in the world on humans, with one tragic exception. A boy treated with embryonic stem cells for a rare genetic disease developed benign tumors, casting doubt on claims of the therapy's safety and effectiveness.

According to media reports, the boy, now 17, received the ESC stem cells in 2001 at a Moscow hospital and four years later scans showed brain and spinal tumors. Israeli doctors removed the abnormal growth from his spine and their tests show it most probably was caused by the stem cells.

The Moscow doctors should have known better. It is well known that lab animals given embryonic stem cells routinely develop tumors and other malignant growths that eventually kill them. There is a 100 percent mortality rate among lab animals that develop these tumors.

That's why George Bush banned this lethal form of research that Barack Obama, who should have known better, has now legitimized by overturning this life-saving ban.

The reason that major drug companies such as Merck and Pfizer are not funding ESC research is because they have seen the research and it scared the daylights out of them. They realized that if they injected ESC cells into human beings and like lab animals, they show signs of cancers or lesions or tumors there will be huge class action suits, because they would have ignored all of the available data in research that shows that that's exactly what will happen.

The fact of the matter is embryonic stem cells kill. The research shows conclusively that they help rats and mice die and an Israeli boy grow tumors.

Barack Obama rescinded Bush's executive order banning this dangerous research, which has failed everywhere it has been tried, and then went on to eliminate funding for some of the most promising research on the use of pluripotent adult stem cells.

Unfortunately, those opposed to these actions have made the mistake of concentrating on the pro-life aspects of this controversy, while ignoring the scientific aspects, which prove our case conclusively.

We can win this case, by concentrating on the science, which is on our side.

Anyone who is willing to inject embryonic stem cell into their bodies needs to understand that -- like the Israeli boy and the lab animals-- they will grow tumors and lesions.

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About The Author
Michael Reagan, the eldest son of Ronald Reagan, is heard daily by over 5 million listeners via his nationally syndicated talk radio program, “The Michael Reagan Show.”
your mother supports this
so stop the rabble rousing.

I read the first 3 comments
before I read the article and I would have sworn thta somewhere in the article there would be a reference to Nancy Reagan but I was mistaken. Did either of you actually read what was written? Does the content of the column make a difference to you?

It is exasperating to have a conversation with a liberal because the facts are irrelevant. The artistry of the argument is all that matters. I found that out when I was 17. How long will it take you?

Jamal
The comments were referring to the fact that Nancy Reagan, Michael Reagan's step-mother, supports embryonic stem cell research and she has publicly criticized George Bush and praised Obama for their respective stands. I understand that her experience with Ronald Reagan probably has colored her views, so I don't blame her, but the reality is that embryonic stem cells hold no promise for a cure for Alzheimer's.

Solid science?
What is "solid science"? Is that an an an opinion that does allow skepticism?

Cowboy in San Diego

squarepeg, I know what it was referring
to, my question is why can't a question be considered on the substance of its argument? All of us have a background but is it necessary to qualify someone's opinion based on their history rather than their position?

I had a conversation with a friend of mine about public schools. It was my position that they fell far short on their mission. My friend in replying to me referred to the fact that my kids are in private school. What does that matter?

Barack and Adolf...

"The last time we mixed Science and Government, six million Jews lost their lives."

Hitler thought Science trumped God too.

So Sad to see ignorance at work
Obama, "Change and Hope", will see that he has never read and researched anything until those who participate in the embryonic stem cell research sue the hospitals after they develop tumors, and the others that were being cured by adult stem cells and/or IPSC regress or die, and they sue the hospitals for ceasing the treatment. Obama Yes We Can will have the biggest drop in the polls when the MSM told lies about the Obama trainwreck we see now.

Obama supporters
Every racist and hate mongering group in America posts in support of Obama on this site.
Check it out, this is where all the hate comes from, Obama and his supporters



http://www.theobamaforum.com/index.php

hear hear, mod mark
This is completely crazy.

Sure, embryonic stem cell therapy kills. IT HASN'T BEEN PROPERLY RESEARCHED FOR LACK OF FEDERAL FUNDING!

What other therapies kill? How about x-rays, surgery, chemotherapy, aspirin?

When you use these therapies incorrectly, people die. THAT'S WHY RESEARCH IS NEEDED.

There's no point to spend millions to make ASCs act like ESCs... except for the moral argument that the soul enters the body while the "body" is a 4-day-old collection of cells.

Make that argument, Reagan, not the baloney you're peddling here.

In consecutive ABC News/Washington Post
polls...

public support for embryonic stem cell research has remained steady at 60%. (60% find it "morally acceptable")


Waffles
When I saw the picture accompanying this column I really wanted breakfast.

Obama cutting funds for ASC research?
The United States spends more money in one month for the Iraq War than it spends in a decade for adult stem cell research. If conservatives want to protect embryos, they should be funding adult stem cell research out the wazoo. If they are opposed to excessive government spending (like the Iraq war) then they can pretend the adult stem cell issue is like California Proposition 8, and contribute massive amounts of private money.

Oh, for the record, I voted against Obama and against the 2004 California stem cell Proposition 71, so nobody here gets to say that I am part of the so-called "culture of death" or that I am a liberal.

Scripture Quoting Hypocrisy 1

Barack Obama is a Scripture quoting hypocrite has always been allowed a pass on his hypocrisy.

Religious affiliation is a matter of personal choice. The fact remains, however, that Republicans and evangelical Christians are raked over the coals; being painted by Obama supporters, Democrats, and the Mainstream Media as being fanatical and hypocritical on morality issues.

The liberals are positing that Barack Hussein Obama be held to a different standard.

The Obama media is instrumental in seeking the systematic undoing of the McCain-Palin campaign; while only engaging in questioning the religious views and principles of Conservatives and Republicans, it is already assumed that Barack Obama's "supposed Christianity" has been proven and confirmed. [One gets images of Bill Clinton calling in Jesse Jackson to pray with him, and toting a Bible around for weeks after being found out to been sexing-up a page with expensive, unsmoked cigars]

Mr. Obama as a presidential candidate was openly politicized and bastardized Holy Bible scripture in his speeches and campaign appearances, including Matthew 25; making references to the teachings of Christ’s teachings on being one's "brother's keeper" and "as ye have done unto the least of these," even though both of these scriptures expose the height of his own hypocrisy as he is neither his brother's keeper [his brother being ignored by him as he lives in Kenya on $1 per month], nor concerned about "the least of these" [innocent live-born babies whose mothers want to screw but don't want to be "punished" with the consequences of their screwing and, now live human embryos].

What about "Black Liberation Theology?"

Any question about Barack Hussein Obama's beliefs; the Dems and their Press agents [MSM] all cry LIE LIE LIE RACISM RACISM RACISM HYPOCRITES HYPOCRITES HYPOCRITES!

Scripture Quoting Hypocrisy 2

Still, we, the American people are left to wonder:

Don't we, the subjects of Executive Order and legislative fiat, deserve to have asked of Obama supporters:

a) What exactly was it that drew you, specifically, to , Barack Hussein Obama, who told you he only came to an acceptance of "Christ" after being exposed to Jeremiah Wright and "Black Liberation Theology?"; a racist theology that teaches that "Jesus was a black man" and "If God is not black, He needs to be killed" ; a man who chose Jeremiah Wright over other Christian ministers in a city as large as Chicago that is FULL of dynamic black community oriented churches? Why?

b) How did you think this identification with this "theology" would affect his ability to equally represent non-black citizens of the United States? And why did you people believe he would not be biased towards the interest of the black community [those that are on welfare, not working productive blacks who are getting the same screwing as everyone else who is productive and responsible] at the expense of white taxpayers?

c) How did you think Mr. Obama’s, "commitment to the 'black community'" would affect his commitment to other non-black communities and how did you think it would affect his performance in the White House?

d) What do you make of his racially polarizing "Black Liberation Theology" philosophy? Can you explain to the American people what it means to you in a religious context?

Explain to us non-“progressives” what it means to:

"PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE to all Black leaders who ESPOUSE and EMBRACE the Black Value System."

Liberal knuckleheads claim that Republicans and conservatives are moral hypocrites, pushing their religious beliefs onto them.

Scripture Quoting Hypocrisy 3

WHAT IS THE TRUTH?

Liberals wear blinders.

Facts don't matter to the defenders of Obama.

They think with their emotions; not their brains.


....A Scripture quoting hypocritical reprobate of a man; and one who invokes the very Scriptures that condemn him and put a lie to his honesty, judgment, and integrity.

No talk of faith by conservatives or Republicans will go unexamined, unpunished, or unmocked in the Mainstream Media and by liberal “progressives”.

They will dig up any and every facet of a Republican or Conservative's failure to live a spotless life and provide a moral example that even God himself would be in awe of. And any thing that falls short of perfection itself will be talked about for days by the "talking heads" on every network and in every newspaper.

But Barack Hussein Obama, the supporter of Infanticide of every type and manner in which it can be achieved, member of a racist theology, and student of godless Marxism, is ALONE given a pass to quote Scripture and cite the teachings of Christ with impunity and liberal approval.

Those who have no respect for either the authority of the Holy Bible, or the great preachers that preach it, have no problem with its messages being bastardized and usurped by one who is intent on distorting its message to fit their reprobate culture of death and homosexuality.

...and their Mainstream Media leg-tingling Fifth Column is all-too-eager to promote this blasphemy; turning a blind eye and a gleeful accommodation to the destruction of all things we as Christians hold sacred.

We will not rest until this danger to America is exposed and suffers an ABORTION of its own in the evil womb of its Marxist conception.

Liberals' Worldview
Mr. Reagan, you have to understand liberals really don't care about scientific facts. In the weird world of liberals, emotions rule supreme. Facts don't matter.

Adult stem cell research has recorded a number of successes while embryonic stem cells have recorded none. Doesn't matter, if Bush has banned this method it must be good in the liberal view.

Same goes for Global Warming: It just feels good for the liberals to think they can coddle the earth and its weather no matter the shaky foundation on which this belief rests.

Liberals are still children who have never really grown up. If it feels good it must be right is their standard operating mode. Conservatives should stop treating them as adults and patiently try to educate them to accept the world as it is, not as they would like it to be.

BUSH BROWN & OBAMA'S INFERIORITY COMPLEX

Why did Barack Obama rudely refuse to appear with Gordon Brown at a joint press conference when the British PM was in Washington? Answer: Because Obama's inferiority complex got the better of him that day. Because our big, bold courageous President feared the contrast with Brown. Because Brown's stronger intellect and larger and more vigorous personality would have overshadowed our mental and moral pip-squeak-in-chief. By not appearing with Brown Obama avoided a humiliating experience that would have made him look like the pint sized, shallow, small minded, mouse of a man that he is.

Many writers, including myself, have likened Obama to the Great Appeaser, Neville Chamberlain. While the analogy is basically sound-Obama is an apologizing, fainthearted, arse kissing fool-it does him too much credit. While Chamberlain was tragically short on judgement when dealing with Hitler-mistaking him, as many did, for a conventional statesman and missing his revolutionary intent-he was no sheepish, frightened, self-conscious Mickey Mouse, like Brown he had a forceful personality and a first rate mind. If Chamberlain were now Britain's PM Obama would have canceled the press conference all the same. We are a nation at war with a weakling for a President, and history tells us that this is a recipe for disaster.

Click ApolloSpeaks and read the rest of the piece: Bush, Brown and Obama's Inferiority Complex


Fascinating
Mod Mark, Paranoid Mystic, will, etc. fail to address the obvious parallels between the Tuskegee syphilis experiments and today's embryo controversy.

Then as now, the experiments were advanced under the theory that those experimented upon were not fully human.

MM et al are willing to take the chance that future generations will agree with them in their judgment.

PS -- Should I mention that the Federally funded study was begun under leftist icon FDR, or is that nit-picking?

Life...is worth protecting!
"Blastocysts" are not insignificant...they must be respected and protected for what they ARE....human lives, at their very earliest age!

Polls say that American's want this...and it is true that 60% of us polled say that we do want "it"...however, when you ACTUALLY inform people that "it" involves the destruction of LIVE HUMAN EMBRYOS...the approval number drops dramatically!

The MSM doesn't supply us with the important facts or details...they report on the "hopes" of medical research discoveries. Of course, if you ask anyone if they would support research to find a cure or treatment for cancer or some other horrifying disease...and you will get overwhelming support...just make certian you don't tell them what is actually involved!

I do not believe that American's WANT "this"....I think they are uninformed about what "this" actually is.

I was a strong supporter...until at the age of 19 when I had to write a paper for school that forced me to discover what "it" involved.. I was horrified and confused that the truth is so deeply hidden in all the medias rhetoric that I just didn't know and still wouldn't it I wasn't required to write that paper!

Embryonic Stem Cell Research
Thank you Michael fro putting the facts out there. Not that they are hidden. Truth is, these people could care less. As everything these people do, it has only to do with control and legitimizing abortion. The facts are, adult stem cells work and have been proven to do so. embryonic cells have proven to not work in test animals, the standard way of deciding to move ahead with human experimentation is to have a thing prove effective in animals first. I recently read an article about a Nuremburg Code of Ethics on Human Reasearch and Experimentation, which forbids this kind of thing internationally.

The other issue here is that there was not a ban on embryonic cell research, only a ban on using taxpayers monies for this. This Dr. Jekle and Mr. Hydes are and were, free to do this.And those who are in favor of this have plenty of rich liberal friends(like Mr. Obama) who can and should put up THEIR money for this. NO, they won't do that. They want to force their beliefs down our throats. At the same time the continually try to stop others from even expressing their beliefs in even the most benign way. Whole lotta praying needs to be going on. ComeLord Jesus.

Love you Michael, You are one in a million

Guinea Pigs
Since there seems to be so many who think embryonic stem cells are the panacea for illnesses, who will step up to be the first to be injected? Or better yet, how about volunteering your child or grandchild? If adult stem cells are proving to be safest & more pallative, why then to we need to pursue killing an embryo? Come on now, let's see who is a true believer, or who actually looks at the research!

Who will be first, Miss Ann?
Why, prisoners, of course. There have always been subjects one could use for this kind of scientific inquiry, and there are plenty of them now. All it takes is the iron will to be a true scientist.

Where is Josef Mengele when we need him?

Our unbekievable leaders
“The god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.” (2 Cor. 4:4)

The God of believing Christians is clear in stating his holy standards. 2 Thessalonians 3:10 states: : "If a man will not work, he shall not eat.” This is the moral basis of capitalism. People work for what they need and want. Lawmakers who insist that legislation meet this criteria have some credibility if they claim to believe in Jesus Christ.

It is the god of this world, Satan, who authored the damnable enslaving political systems of Socialism and Marxism. Legislators who make laws that take away the fruits of a man’s labor and gives it to those who have not worked for it can make no credible claim of being a believer in Christ.

It is the god of this world, Satan, who authored the “right to privacy” provision in Roe vs. Wade. It was not in the Constitution, it was legislated from the bench. Lawmakers who support this murdering legislation can make no credible claim of being a believer in Jesus Christ, for believers in Christ must keep His commandments. Christ is God, and this is what He says about the shedding of innocent blood.

"Surely I will require your lifeblood; from every beast I will require it. And from every man, from every man's brother I will require the life of man. Whoever sheds man's blood, By man his blood shall be shed, For in the image of God He made man.” Genesis 9:5-6.

'So you shall not pollute the land in which you are; for blood pollutes the land and no expiation can be made for the land for the blood that is shed on it, except by the blood of him who shed it. Numbers 35:33.

The Constitution of the United States of America was framed upon the foundation of the Word of God. Any interpretation that deviates from the truths of Scripture is a false interpretation.


No Surprises Here…
Those paying attention during the presidential campaign have always known that Barack Hussein Obama if elected would put forth the most radical agenda ever in history, from the economy, to the social issues, foreign policy; he certainly is wasting no time in doing so. He is moving at lightning speed to achieve his Socialist utopia for the country.

Barack and his ilk will go to the nth degree in protecting the rights of an enemy combatant, or some convicted criminal set to be executed, but have no regard for the right of an innocent.

Death on demand his thy name…….

“People lived until they died.”

Fabius Cunctator Location: PA
Reply # 9
Date: Mar 12, 2009 - 6:00 AM EST
Embryos are human beings.

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What an absolutely stupid statement. Let’s take a bucket of embryos, set them aside watch them carefully and see how many join the Army in 20 years. If that don’t happen, they are not human, they are liberals.

I liked it better years ago when there was no Health Insurance, and not so many people tying to play God. A $5,000 funeral these days is delayed by a $250,000 Medical procedure.

When I die, I’ll let God do it, and God don’t sue no wires, no tubes, no knives and no pills.

I can assure that people are better off now then 70 years ago. Just look at the statistics, far more people of the age 75 and up to 100+ are dying now then ever, 70 years ago. Just look at the obits. When I was a child few people died at the ago of over 70, now they die by the millions.

I liked the rule that said, “People live until they die.”


You CAn Be Biased
You can be partisan. You can be a judgemental moralist. But when it comes to issues such as this, you cannot be an idiot, and what I read here fits that description.

First, allowing ESC research does NOT prevent any sort of other stem cell research. Only an idiot would think the scientific community can do only one thing at a time. If a line of research is promising, it will continue.

Secondly, jumping to the conclusion that allowing ESC research immediately produces human trial tells me you haven't got a clue one about research protocols. Reagan's concept that a treatment which was 100% fatal to test animals would somehow be approved for use in humans is beyond moronic.

I am sorry to say that Reagan's take on this issue shows rather conclusively that conservatives are incapable of understanding basic scientific concepts. And if you don't understand those concepts, you should be wise enough to stay out of issues beyond your ken.




First trials of embryonic stem-cells
Geron Corporation has announced the first clinical trial of embryonic stem-cell therapy for spinal cord injury:

http://www.geron.com/grnopc1clearance/

Forever is a long time.
During which cancers will have cancers and bugs will teach at school. It is only the PATH that counts, how life is pursued is true function. Everything else will fall into place. Most groin-ensconced perceivers are soft in the head and only capable of believing the present moment. Warm emotions act as a salve by establishing a perception that theirs is the only one worthy of being called reality. Yet birth, taxes, rock and death can be viewed from any time point. For time is only an invention.
To say that science supersedes ethics and morals is an excuse for laziness. Values are earned through sacrifice, sometimes one must die to continue life, that is a heavenly process. There will always be microscopic pursuits and overdone they are nothing more then compulsions.

Carlos #6
Hitler then is Obama now - the Antichrist.

BHO does not care about people
Obama supports embryonic stem cell which does not help the people.

Obama sign away the financial support for adult stem cell which has proven itself. ASC works.

Many people are now living a better life ASC.
Embryonic stem cell has helped no one.

Obama is a murder.


This is a sop to
the abortion industry. They have moved the debate from late term abortion - which they lost - to early term abortion and most people don't realize it. Nancy Reagan unfortunately is incorrect. Embryonic stem cell research has not shown promise. As for Zero's promise of "no cloning" don't believe him!

Typical
This is all too typical of the right wing idiocy that Obama is, thank god, trying to battle. In this case, it takes the form of conservatives adopting an opinion and then resorting to ridiculous or duplicitous arguments in order to support their predetermined point of view. This is exactly the opposite of the scientific method, whihc says look at the evidence and then draw a conclusion.

Reagan believes ESC research is wrong. But, rather than looking at the evidence and drawing a rational conclusion, he makes unsubstantiated and absurd claims in order to "prove" his underlying opinion.

There is not a single supportable contention in Reagan's article. Not one. He writes as if lifting the ban on ESC will immediately result in crazed researchers injecting unsuspecting pedestrians with raw stem cells. He's absurd.


Important Missing Information
In terms of the Moscow boy, how long would he have lived without the stem cells? What if he had six months to live without the treatment? Then he got 3.5 more years before the tumors.

In terms of Obama's position on stem cells, he is going to let the scientific community make the call, not politicians or commentators. Maybe adult stem cells are the best way to go. Maybe it will turn out to be embryonic stem cells. The point is that science, not politics, should make the decision.

New Tack for Bible Thumpers
Previously our Bible thumping friends told us how immoral it was to use embryonic stem cells, even though if not used they would be destroyed. Rather than being pro-life, the thumpers shut down this line of federally funded research. Now that the thumpers have been discredited on just about every imaginable point, Regan comes on to tell us that the "pro-abortion" scientists will now subject humanity to the scourge of God's wrath (i.e., tumors). How do we know this? Because Michael ("my father was Ronald Regan") tells us so. I guess his mom, Nancy, is as wrong as the rest of America.

Point Blank
Why does the federal government have to fund this? If the market is out there for it then guess what, the money will come for the research. What is going on is like Reagan said...Bush did not illigalize the private medical companies from using their profits to fund embryonic stem cell research...questions why didn't all the pharmeceutical companies jump on the bandwagon to do so? Could it be that innitial experiments have shown that uhh, it ain't going to work? Why throw good money after bad? This is just another case of the government getting involved and forcing research where the market could do it. Those of you that are SOOOOO adamant about embryonic stem cell research please put your money where you mouth is instead of taking my money...

jamal
Post #2

"The artistry of the argument is all that matters."

That's it in a nutshell!
That's why so many successful liberal Democrat legislators are trial lawyers. It's not about right or wrong, good or evil, to these people; it's all about winning an argument. Winning makes one right (which, of course, flies in the face of history) as well as establishes a moral superiority by default. It is in this twisted way we find ourselves drifting further and further away from our true moral center.

John
Post # 28

You conclusion about ALL conservatives as being unable to understand the scientific method shows conclusively that YOU (individually) are totally incapable of substantive political dialog, as your prejudice would simply overpower your ability to listen objectively. As an engineer, I take exception to your prejudice as much of my career experience has been in medical research, and I have no trouble understanding the concept, thank-you-very->much.
I find the liberal discussion method of dismissal and insult to be tedious and not at all constructive.

Fighting Fire with Fire

The ABORTION industry is part of a triad of industries that feeds off of... AND encourages the moral decline in America.

To you LIBERALS it's about a choice. To NORMAL PEOPLE it's about a child. To the ABORTION industry, it's about making a buck! If they can make more money harvesting stem cells before the throw the remains of their “Killing for Convenience,” they will crank up their money machine to support embryonic stem cell research, as opposed to adult stem cell research! Care to debate which stem cell research has shown MORE promising results? (I didn't think so!)

http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/articles/winter01/ste m_cell.html

Take a hike back to your liberal nest (a Far-Left website) you Liberal “Pro-Aborts.”

"To say that the fetus is just a chunk of tissue is to deny it dignity and to legitimize a violent act of destruction of another human being."

Former abortionist Bernard Nathanson

"The greatest destroyer of peace is abortion
because if a mother can kill her own child,
what is left for me to kill you and you to kill me?
There is nothing between."

Mother Teresa

bobblehead
Not at all.

If anyone, liberal or conservative, makes a rational argument I am more than willing to listen. There are certainly some conservatives who do. However, based on Reagan's article and the bulk of the conservative responses here, that hasn't happened yet.

If you think that insult and dismissal are liberal tactics, I suggest you have not paid any attention to the work published on Townhall. Or, perhaps, you think calling Obama the anti-Christ constitutes constructive dialogue.

I would argue that if you want substantive dialogue on any topic, then you should begin by addressing the vaccuous and unsubstantiated claims and implications in Reagan's article.


Legalbeagle
Nancy's his STEPMOM!

Never mind facts,
they just get in the liberals' way.

Libs in this thread, I
Wobbie #1: Children are not a part of their mothers' bodies. Especially not when they are in their 60's. Why should the author follow in the footsteps of his clueless step-mother?

Sod Mark #8: Bush doesn't have to perform the research himself to recognize what has already been shown by the research of others. It's called an informed decision. Most likely, Bush based the decision on the reports and statements given to him by his scientific advisors and his own moral beliefs, not to mention logic - something you obviously lack. The "pursuit of knowlege" which you hold so highly is not worth the destruction of human life.

paranoidmystake #10: Did Bush ban the whole world from performing embryonic stem cell research? Is the US the only country with the capability to perform that research? This research has continued around the world for at least 30 years now with the only reliable, proven result being malignant tumors and cellular rejection. When surgery, chemo, and x-rays fail, we call it a mistake. The intent of those therapies is not to kill the person in order to further research, but to cure the person.

shrill #11: Imagine that! Liberal media outlets supporting a liberal agenda? Never would have believed it!

amperror #13: Adult stem cell research is primarily funded through private firms because it has already produced results and therefore has a demand.

Libs in this thread, II
jim #27: In following with your bucket experiment, why don't we put you someplace which cannot sustain you for 20 years. By your logic, if you live, you must be human! What an idiotic argument...

John #28 & 35: Politics manipulates science through government funding. More research into ESC should be unecessary considering that ASC have already been proven to be capable of what ESC promoters promised decades ago with the added benefits of no ethical dispute and organs that are not rejected by the recipiant's body. ESC is inherently a human trial because it uses human embryos - microscopic developing humans. So much for your great understanding of the "scientific process." This article uses the scientific method: ESC research proven to cause tumors, conclusion: ESC is not a viable treatment. ASC research has been used in at least 73 different, successful treatments, conclusion: ASC is a viable treatment. Perhaps you should take your own advice?

Rod #36: You honestly believe that by funding one type of research more than the other, Obama isn't influencing science? If ESC is as valuable as ASC, why does ESC require government funding while ASC is mostly privately funded? That reeks of political meddling.

legalbagel #37: Your reasoning is circular and has a big hole in the center, much like your new name. It is immoral to use human life as a resource to be manipulated and destroyed for scientific "gain." The frozen embryos should not have been created in the first place. Either give them a chance at life if adoption is possible or give them a dignified death. Now instead of just destroying "extra" humans, human embryos will be created simply to be destroyed. And since when do the beliefs of the uneducated majority discredit actual results?

John #42
"If anyone, liberal or conservative, makes a rational argument I am more than willing to listen. There are certainly some conservatives who do. However, based on Reagan's article and the bulk of the conservative responses here, that hasn't happened yet."

Could it be because you aren't so willing to listen as you say you are? The only way you can avoid seeing logic in this article is by closing your eyes. Try reading the article before dismissing it. You may actually begin to understand things...

"If you think that insult and dismissal are liberal tactics, I suggest you have not paid any attention to the work published on Townhall. Or, perhaps, you think calling Obama the anti-Christ constitutes constructive dialogue."

I see plenty of insult and dismissal on townhall.com, but I have never seen it published. User posted comments do not count as "published." I have never seen one of TH's writers call Obama an "anti-Christ" though I have seen all the different names the writers of dailyKos and the other liberal sites used to call Bush. I doubt you ever considered them to not be "constructive dialog."

"I would argue that if you want substantive dialogue on any topic, then you should begin by addressing the vaccuous and unsubstantiated claims and implications in Reagan's article."

What? Why should we discuss this article on any topic other than stem cell research? Talk about vaccuous...


John #42
Are you arguing with yourself?

Proper Federal Funding!
I think this government ought to match, for stem cell research, all the Federal funding that went into the inception and development of the light bulb, electricity, generators, gasoline and diesel engines, plant production of these cars, telephones, eye glasses, cotton clothing, leather clothing, penicilin, telescopes, microscopes, bullets, guns, belts, shoes, socks, television, radio, braces for teeth and legs. Need I go on.....I can you know.

If it isn't worth private funding it isn't something I need.

Anti-Christ is a valid arguement.
It defines boundaries, context and other attributes worthy of discussion. Convince us Obama is not the Anti-Christ. Does not the destructive nature of his idealism, and the fascism needed to apply it, devilish? “Above his pay grade,” and, “Present”, are not moral attributes when serving with lying and manipulating as order of the day. Obama may not be the Anti-Christ, but he is just as dangerous.
We elected a narcissistic man who has no sense of leadership.


Anti-Christ is a valid argument.
It defines boundaries, context and other attributes worthy of discussion. Convince us Obama is not the Anti-Christ. He celibrates the destructive nature of compulsive idealism, and the fascism needed to apply it. Could not that be considered devilish? “Above his pay grade,” and, “Present”, are not moral attributes, nor is lying and coarse manipulation. Obama may not be the Anti-Christ, but he is just as dangerously destructive.
We elected a narcissistic man who has no sense of leadership.


Obama and Congress-Men of thr Year
The KKK, White Power Groups andall rabidly racist groups should all get together and vote Obama and the Dems in Congress a "People of the Year" award. In under Three short but active months Obama and Congress have voted to spend more money to kill more black and hispanic babies, prohibit minorities from obtaining school choice vouchers and passing plantation maintaining welfare laws than all the KKK and segregationist organizations could have hoped to do in their wildest dreams. Blacks and hispanics are reducing and dumming down their voter base in increasing numbers and they cannot seem to figure it out or for some reason they don`t care. I hope the crossover Repubs o and the conservative Dems who voted for Obama are happy! God help America! Laus Deo!

Great Point Michael

Location: FL
Mar 12, 2009 - 7:29 PM EST

Here is a great trailer on a new movie called 22 weeks about an Orlando Abortion Mill and a young women who survived.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaefcprW9Mg

Simply put
The evil idiot we how have leading the country is a FOOL!
And all our morals and financial hopes are in danger.
The fox is in the hen house and the Party of EVIL now reigns.
WE're in trouble!

Excellent analysis of Obamov's stem cell
http://creation.com/president-obama-okays-funding-embryonic -stem-cell-research-but-removes-adult-stem-cell-funding by Lita Cosner.

All the evanjellyfish useful idiots who voted for the Hopeychangey Teleprompter Kid have a lot to answer for. The above article cuts through all the hype.
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