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Wednesday, October 29, 2008
Michael Reagan :: Townhall.com Columnist
You Can't Be Half-Socialist
by Michael Reagan
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The other day I went to a Hollywood luncheon crammed with producers, directors, writers and other film industry notables.

One of them, Larry Gelbart of "MASH" fame, spoke telling the group that since capitalism has failed, why don't we try socialism?

Try socialism? Take a sip of it and see how it tastes? It doesn't work that way.

There's an old saying that you can't be half-socialist any more than you can be half-pregnant; get knocked up with a socialist fetus and you'll have to deliver a full-born Marxist. There's nothing inbetween. Try it, you'll like it, and if you don't, as the lads in the Gestapo used to tell people, they had ways to make them like it.

Larry Gelbart gorged himself at the capitalist table and came away with untold millions, now safely banked, and continues to collect even more millions from never-ending reruns of the "MASH" sitcom. Having made his bundle from our capitalist free-enterprise system, he seems to be telling us now that the rest of us should get in the socialist bread-line and eat crumbs while he feasts on caviar.

One of the realities of this age is that the great mass of the American people haven't traveled abroad to see how the rest of the world lives, a lot of it under dreary socialist regimes with stalled economies and no real chance for advancement for the ordinary citizen.

Moreover, our shoddy educational curriculum that has left most younger Americans so deficient in the study of history that vast numbers of them think George Washington was a Civil War general, or a lumberman who chopped down cherry trees. They have no real understanding of the economic system that allowed us to become the wealthiest and most powerful nation since the Roman Empire ruled most of the known world 2000 years ago.

Given that mournful reality, the moment the economic Rolls Royce engine that drove this nation to the top of the hill stalls, instead of installing new spark plugs to get it going again they go looking for an alternative mode of transportation.

In the present case, Obama and the Democrats are directing them to Larry Gelbart's used-economic system lot where he shows them a jalopy with a fancy paint job on the outside and a one-cylinder motor inside that goes chug-chug.

Listening to the advice of a man who made his name and his money on a show about America's military at war -- yet told the same audience that our armed forces are nothing but "mercenaries" -- doesn't seem the smartest thing to do.

We are now a few days away from an election in which one of the presidential candidates is trying to sell that jalopy on Larry Gelbart's lot and convince us that it is really a luxury limo that will get hundreds of miles to the gallon and carry us off to the promised land, where the rich will be impoverished and the middle class enriched and everybody will be deliriously happy.

Call Barack Obama's program socialism, however and he'll swear on a stack of Qurans it isn't. He calls it change. He says it's fairness, not Marxism.

Oh?

How does he explain the proven fact that he has been wallowing in a sty surrounded by fervent socialists and sharing in their swill for most of his life?

According to Fox's Bill Sammon, his Messiahship recalled that when he attended Occidental College in Los Angeles: "To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully," he wrote in "Dreams From My Father," his memoir. "The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists."

And that was his milieu for all his years in Chicago.

To anyone familiar with socialism, Obama's programs fit comfortably within the pages of Karl Marx's playbook, the root of which is the redistribution of the wealth, the key to the entire Obamian vault. What's mine is yours, and he's the middle man.

It's socialism lite, and it can only evolve into socialism heavy. Remember, you can't be half-socialist, and Barack Obama knows it.

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Michael Reagan, the eldest son of Ronald Reagan, is heard daily by over 5 million listeners via his nationally syndicated talk radio program, “The Michael Reagan Show.”
aren't we conservatives just as guilty?
Michael, as a conservative I agree with this article. THat being said, isn't congress, and the president just as guilty with the economic stimulus package, of buying all the bad mortgages? You see, this is the problem with the so called "Conservative Movement" It doesn't move. John McCain voted for the so called "bailout" But is that not socialism too? It is time for our party to start to rethink our priorities, and stop blaming democrats for every problem, because the republicans were just as guilty too of socialism. We need to start taking action. Michael, I respect and admire you, but you cant start the blame game, instead, we need to be discussing how we will fix this. I truly hope you will read my blog at

http://rehalfr.blogtownhall.com/

Regards,
Hal

Wow - people fall for this?
Old saying about Socialism? From where? When? Can't be "a little bit" socialist? I wish Reagan had bothered making the "can't be a little bit fascist totalitarian" argument around the time of Homeland Security passed.

Oh, and Gelbart stole the sentiment from Vonnegut: a much finer writer (and mind) than Michael Reagan could ever hope to be.

Common sense missing in USA?
It's unbelieavable how quickly can a nation forget it's foundations.
After living in socialism for almost 40 years, coming to America and getting the opportunity to live here was way beyond my dream. I'm not sure what happened, but it seems to me that a lot of things have taken a wrong turn here and after England, the great USA are becoming another civilized country given to radicals. After total nonsense called "bailout" from one administrations - to chaos and entitlement, led by a guy who nobody knows anything about. Is that really what people here want? So far it seems to me the answer is yes. That equals to depression in times of depression. Great combination! Happy Halloween(hope not the last one).
I tried to keep it short, nobody wants to read about the greatness of socialism. Here's one: can you imagine any of your favorite Late Night Show hosts going to prison for 20 years after telling a joke about president? Or telling a joke about any political figure in a bar full of udercover cops and going to prison yourself? People, please, use common sense.

The End of the Obama 'Magic'
"..America is a different land, for me exceptional in all the ways that matter.

In recent days, those vast Obama crowds, though, have recalled for me the politics of charisma that wrecked Arab and Muslim societies.

A leader does not have to say much, or be much. The crowd is left to its most powerful possession -- its imagination.

From Elias Canetti again: "But the crowd, as such, disintegrates. It has a presentiment of this and fears it. . . . Only the growth of the crowd prevents those who belong to it from creeping back under their private burdens."

The morning after the election, the disappointment will begin to settle upon the Obama crowd.

Defeat -- by now unthinkable to the devotees -- will bring heartbreak.

Victory will steadily deliver the sobering verdict that our troubles won't be solved by a leader's magic."


Mr. Ajami is professor of Middle Eastern Studies at the School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University, and an adjunct research fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122533157015082889.html

You Can't be Half-Socialist
Michael,

Enjoy your columns. I don't know why you can't be half-socialist because President Bush was half-conservative. He was a social conservative and a fiscal liberal because he spent like a drunken sailor. This the basic reason that the most dangerous presidential candidate in the history of our country is a heartbeat away from the executive office. This saddens me greatly because my great-great-great grandfather fought in the Revolutionary War to help establish this country. To see us elect someone who would take our country toward socialism would cause him to roll over in his grave.

The only hope for conservatives if McCain loses this election, and it appears he will, is to free conservatism from the Republican Party and begin anew as a separate party. As the Republican Party now stands there are so few elected conservatives that it is a sham to refer to it as conservative. As Mark Levine says they are 'Republocrats'. Most elected Republicans are just Democrats in disguise, they love earmarks and spending.

Larry Gelbart
the author of one of the most laughable shows in TV history.

Even as a kid, watching MASH was a joke. The anti-military, anti-war stance was very clear to anyone without a set of libscum issued rose-colored glasses.

Gelbart was just the first of a line of libvermin to follow like, Ollie "Let me kiss it Fidel" Stone and Michael Mooreon.

Hollywood is as irrelevant as the UN

Mike
I see you are still trying to be somebody, other than your Father's son. Well you keep trying "Partner"! One day you may make it...

l-dopas
You assume her uncle/father did not continue to serve after the end of WWII, any service after the War would have been during the Cold War.
Before you nitpick people’s posts why not think big picture.
AJ

exposing questionable alliances works
because unimformed voters only understand soundbites. Here is my email form goptrust.com this AM:

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David et al

You are correct.

My thinking was about America. I will amend my post.
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"This fight is winnable, and there is an actual strategy to win, a strategy that consists of more than playing at revolution and calling for chaos in the streets.

Right now the elections are the most critical form of struggle; this is where we have the best shot of finally breaking the back of the ultra right. Afterwards, we will continue to build a united movement that can work to establish a real electoral alternative, and eventually to challenge the system overall."

Revolt with a Vote
Author: Erica Smiley and Dan Margolis
Communist Party USA
First published 04/29/2008 16:21



jagrmeister721 #166
You hit it on the head Jagr. Personally I have much less of a problem with his tax plan than I do his reckless spending and his abortion stance but you are right that this BS name calling is not going to get the GOP anywhere.

Dear Mr. Gelbart
Dear Nr. Gelbart,
In order to test out socialism, please revoke your citizenship and move to Cuba or Venezuela. Leave your money here and I will happily take care of redistributing it for you. We will follow Sen. Obama's policies and give you no choice in who it goes to. How about we give to Sen. McCain's campaign? After all, he doesn't have as much money as Sen. Obama. That's not fair. Then, we can share your wealth with military families that are suffering hardships, and to Sean Hannity's fund to send children of fallen soldiers to college.
After all, you won't need money in a socialist country. I mean, according to Michael Moore's documentary life in Cuba great. Just leave the money as you exit, don't let the door hit you on the way out, and don't come back.

John Konop
Sharing the wealth of a state natural resource is not the same as taking from the earned resource of an individual.

Retired Geek
"Communism can only be achieved from Socialism."

I'm going to have to disagree with you here. The soviet union, China, Cuba they all went directly to Communism through violent revolution.

Obama's Marxist/Socialism

What is the difference between socialism and communism?

Socialism can only grow directly from Capitalism.

Communism can only be achieved from Socialism.

Socialisms slogan is: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his DEEDS."

Communisms slogan is: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his NEEDS."

Socialism and communism are alike in that both are systems of production for use based on public ownership of the means of production and centralized planning.

Socialism is the first step in the process of developing the productive forces to achieve abundance and changing the mental and spiritual outlook of the people.

Socialism is the necessary transition stage from capitalism to communism.

There are two kinds of property to a Socialist:
1) Property used for private enjoyment, i.e. Automobile.
2) Property used to produce the Automobile.

Socialists will allow you personal property i.e. Automobile, but will take away and own the property used to manufacture the Automobile.


There is one kind of property to a Communist:
That which is owned by the state, including the citizens of that state.

The communist principle of distribution according to needs is not immediately possible and practical until the Socialist framework is in place.

The conjecture that Socialism is NOT Marxist thinking is both foolish and plain silly.

http://hisfacts.blogtownhall.com/2008/10/21/obamas_radical_ and_communist_alliances.thtml

The difference
American became more revered and successful than the Roman Empire because we took their secular ideas of government and filtered them through a Constitution that recognized where our real authority and blessing comes from - God. Obama does not get this, and neither does the pitiful band of illuminati, man-centered props holding up his one-dimensional image.

Fact: Palin’s Alaska spreads its wealth

Fact Check: Palin’s Alaska spreads its wealth

Is Palin a Socialist?

Yahoo-Republicans John McCain and Sarah Palin summon antidemocratic images of a communist state to attack Democrat Barack Obama’s tax plan and his comment about spreading the wealth around. But in her home state, Palin embraces Alaska’s own version of doing just that.

Palin and McCain seized on a comment Obama made to Ohio plumber Joe Wurzelbacher, who asked about his tax plans.

Obama wants to raise taxes on families earning $250,000 to pay for cutting taxes for the 95 percent of workers and their families making less than $200,000. “I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody,” he told Wurzelbacher.

McCain said that sounds “a lot like socialism” to many Americans. Palin has derided the Illinois senator as “Barack the Wealth Spreader.”

But in Alaska, Palin is the envy of governors nationwide for the annual checks the state doles out to nearly every resident, representing their share of the revenues from the state’s oil riches. She boosted those checks this year by raising taxes on oil.

http://controlcongress.com/2008-election/fact-check-palins- alaska-spreads-its-wealth

crazy
Abraham Licoln said "Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if Labor had not first existed. Labor is superior to capital, and deserves much the higher consideration." I doubt he would have been a supply sider.


The progressive income tax was supported by John McCain's personal hero Teddy Roosevelt. Was Teddy Roosevelt a Socialist?

Under Dwight D Eisenhower the top income tax rate was around 90%. Was Eisenhower in fact a Communist?

JFK set the top tax rate at 74%. While he was standing up to the Soviets to keep nukes out of Cuba and edged us towards war in vietnam was he in fact a Marxist?

The democrat in this race wants to move the top tax rate back to what it was under Clinton, somewhere around 36% or something and he is a socialist, communist, pinko, Marxist. We must conclude that in fact nearly all of our leaders from both parties have been "Socialists" for the last 100 years until W came along.



BTW
Has anyone stopped to consider that:

a. Obama bin Barack has been on the cmapign circuit for TWENTY MONTHS?

b. Obama bin Barack has the media 100% IN HIS POCKET and just hearing him SPEAK sends tingly feelings up and down Chris "tweetybird" Matthew's leg?

c. Obama bin Barack has gotten HUGE support from Orca Windbag?

d. Obama bin Barack has gotten HUGE amounts of George Soros' money?

e. Obama bin Barack has gotten hundreds of millions of dollars from untracable overseas credit cards (betraying a campaign promise NOT to take public funding.)

And he is nearly TIED with McCain? Evidently Barry Soetoro aka Osama bin Barack isn't quite the superstar the moonbats THINK he is.

Hunter/Palin 2012

Rush Limbaugh
nailed it yesterday when he said that if you voted against liberalism in the past, i.e., Ronaldus Magnum, Bush 41, Dole, or Bush 43, then HOW in the h*ll can you vote for lib-socialism NOW?

BTW all, a PICTORAL history up today on the ANTI LIBERAL ZONE. (click on my handle.)

Investing in Failure - Obama's Plan

Barack Obama's clarion call is to "Sacrifice for the Common Good" - to redistribute wealth, as Obama said to 'Joe the Plumber', "letting those behind catch up".

Who are these citizens that Obama will invest the money of those who work in?

Hard working people that need 'Just a Helping Hand' to catch up?

Hard working students that need help to finish or continue their brilliant educations?

NO, Barack Obama wants to invest OUR money in criminals, those chronically unemployed and those students that have low levels of student academic achievement.

That is like picking the poorest performing stocks one can find and investing their retirement and 401K money in failure - hoping to help those companies that are on a course of bankruptcy, complete their goals.

Those who work get to help criminals pursue their careers, those that won't work, continue not working (with some walking around money) and enable drug users, alcoholics and other addicts to continue their lifestyles.

"Establish 20 Promise Neighborhoods: Obama will create 20 Promise Neighborhoods in cities across the nation that have high levels of poverty and crime and low levels of student academic achievement." Barack Obama, Blueprint for Change

Barack Obama's 'Hope' and 'Change' = 'Investing in Failure' = coming to America with anyone who works help.

DISHONEST AND DANGEROUS
DO NOT BUY THE "STORY" POSTED OFTEN HERE
THAT "we are already half socialist."

To debunk this dangerous and dishonest lie:

FREEDOM OF SPEECH
Half-gone?!

NO.

But if it were to go,
IT WOULD BE COMPLETELY GONE.

IGNORE the "siren calls" of the socialists!

*** McCAIN / PALIN '08!!! ***

________________________________________

For further reading:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/the_repugnance_of_so cialism.html

Something to read
.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/the_repugnance_of_so cialism.html

...on Socialism.

I find it extremely DISHONEST AND DANGEROUS of those here who post, "we're already half socialist."

Just one example to expose the fraud:

Our FREEDOM OF SPEECH?
Half gone?
Not yet, but if it goes, it goes COMPLETELY.

+++ DO NOT LISTEN TO THE SIREN CALLS
+++ OF THE SOCIALISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*** McCAIN / PALIN '08!!! ***

More of the same...
Cry all you want, but this is 1980 in reverse. Just as the Democrats in 1980 couldn't believe that Americans would elect the war-mongering Ronald Reagan, Republicans cannot believe that Americans ("real Americans," by the way) will elect Obama. They spin out fantasies about how we will become Cuba, the government will steal all your money and guns, etc. Just like Dems in 1980 predicted Reagan would bring nuclear war. Get over it! Republicans have proven that they don't know how to run a government. They may castigate "tax and spend," but at least it is more honest than "borrow and spend." Our National Debt is 10 Trillion, of which 80% has been accumulated under the GOP "party of fiscal responsibility." It's time for the Democrats to have a shot at it. Don't worry - you'll get another chance in a decade or two...

I'm not buying it
We keep overdoing our charges. Lets call Obama out on his redistributive policies. On his "soak the rich" worldview. But he's no socialist. This is ridiculous. Government will not own the factors of production under Obama. The only thing that happens when we make these extreme charges is that independents are turned off as the charges smack of intellectual dishonesty. The right approach is to hit Obama on his tax hikes, not to cheapen the discourse by labels such as "socialist".

Obama Scare
While most voters may be paying attention, they're not digging deep enough to find these things. And why should they? They understandably believe what they see on TV and in their newspapers. How could they possibly know how unethical the media have become in glossing over the unseemly details? You have to be an rabid news junkie to see what's going on.

When Obama becomes president, this won't stop, unless Obama makes a mistake that is literally earth shaking. Then media bias will be the least of our problems. I've never feared for our country (and our world) like I do now.

*Please study the issues daily, and share your knowledge with anyone who will listen

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wow
no one seems to care that this authors father and president for eight years is a baby killer and a socialist. On top of that Ronald Regan spent a lot of time with the hollywood elite and other communists. How sad you all are...

Relationships
John McCain has many suspect relationships in his past just as Barack Obama does. So exactly what is different about them? Obama makes statements that support and/or otherwise agree with some of those questionable relationships. Not just that he likes communism because they like fairness. I mean he says things that make him a subscriber to the questionable contact's ideological philosophy.

As it stands Barack Obama may win this election although I think it is closer than the polls show. I only hope if he does that I am misinterpreting his relationships and misunderstanding his plans for change.

Hollywood Is Better Than You
Since Hollywood supports "The Socialist Party” they will never get one more penny of my money. Please consider very carefully how you spend your money; you just may be helping to spread the wrong cause.

jacqueline
that's why the founding fathers put in the procedure of adding amendments so that changes could be made but weith the approval of a majority of the states.

By himself b hussein couldn't do it and he can't get the courts to change it either.

He is just blowing smoke to garner more support from his socialist and other american hated pals

Will the last
You must have missed the place where I said my friends know I am what I say I am because of what I espouse, regardless of whom I hang out with. This is exactly what I am saying of Obama. I know you are not willing to accept that these relationships existed as friendly and I know that nothing I could say will change that, but they did and still do exist. When it became a burden he publically broke off ties with Rev Wright, but this man married the Obama's and baptised their kids. I hope you do not think Obamna had no clue about the Black Liberation Theory!!! Your comparison to fairness is just ridiculous. You could make that statement about any religion or philosophy but of course it is subjective. Talk about the core principles behind the philosophy in order to decide if one agrees with a philosophy or not.

I do not want to change your mind about whom you vote for. Vote for Obama as often as you like.

O says constitution "flawed"
Obama says:
Our Constitution is "deeply flawed" and our
forfathers were just paving the way for HIM to change it.

Click or cut and paste to hear this in O's own word -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11OhmY1obS4

Socialism? Yeah, Sure Thing.....
Giving a tax break to the wealthy: Capitalism.

Giving a tax break to the middle and lower classes: Socialism.


All this crap about communism and socialism is nothing more than static noise from Republicans trying to cover up the fact that they have failed. People are fed up with all this baloney, and their trickle down economics are a disaster.

The McCain campaign is coming apart at the seams.

Just sit back and watch the self-destruction. He and the Repubican's are so desperate.

They have lost their way.


One more, Loren
You said:

"I disagree with your characterization that Conservatives will reject all other points of view and consider that even ateending a meeting with these people will somehow contaminate them."

But the truth is, McCain has used this notion as the foundation of his campaign, and it has worked. As for conservatives rejecting all other points of view, I urge you to take a quick look at the thread under George Will's column, or any one of a number of columns by Kathleen Parker.

Loren
You are contradicting yourself. First, you say that you have all kinds of friends that hold differing views but you don't feel in danger of being influenced by them.

then, you say that we can't trust Obama because, somehow, he is influenced by them.

There is no evidence that Obama was ever close to any of the people that the McCain has so hyped and exaggerated.

You know, my father always said that before you believe anything a stranger tells you, you should think about his motive, is he trying to convince you to buy a used car from him, or get your vote, for example. Republicans want very deeply for you to be afraid of Obama and to believe that anybody he was even in the same room with is dangerous and has corrupted him. Why do you suppose they want so badly for you to be frightened? YOu say that he "appears " to have more close and personal friendships (with terrorists and anarchists) - what evidence do you have that he has had so many "close and personal" friendships with Ayers, et. al., except that you heard it on a robocall or read it on Townhall.

As for you last part, yes, sometimes I have views that coincide, I'm not afraid of those, either. My communist friends, for example, believe in fairness. As for my safe-cracking friend, the last I heard he had married and found a respectable job. I later wrote an article about my friendship with him.



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Will the last American turn out the lights:


I disagree with your characterization that Conservatives will reject all other points of view and consider that even ateending a meeting with these people will somehow contaminate them. I know many atheists, yet I am not and am in no danger of becoming one. I know many liberals and apparently based on the vote that is about to occur I also know many socialists anhd marxists. Yet I am not in danger of becoming either. None of my friends would even consider I would become any of these things because they know what I stand for. This right here is what this is really all about. Is your criminal friend still performing illegal acts? Have you ever expressed ideas that coincide with any of the aforementioned ideologies/behavioral problems? Barack Obama has done exactly that. He appears to have more close and personal friendships with socialists/marxists and their organizations than anyone else. That is why we question his plans for us.

You might just be a socialist if.....
Your idea of sharing to giving your Grandmothers false teeth to the neighbor and tell her she can share with Grandpa....

(keep it going)

Lights out
Liberals today are not liberal. The false Liberals are the most insular people I know, and have an incredible set of superstitions of their own:

A 9mm Uzi is a high powered assault weapon.

A silenced .22lr hand gun goes "Pyuuuuuuu" and can knock people through walls, can shoot through 2" glass, and has an effective range of a half mile.

Self defense is "taking the law into your own hands" or "vigilante action".

Appeasment works.

All whites alive today are guilty because a few whites who died long ago held slaves, but no blacks have ever been guilty of slave raiding or trading.

Anyone who is not white is not able to grow up, but all whites can, and therefore whites are responsible for taking care of the poor retarded non-whites (except orientals).

Obama the Sly One
Interesting how Obama claiming in his book to have, at Occidental, to begin to choose his friends carefully, would claim that after 20 yrs in close association with Rev. Wright, that he (obama) didn't have a clue regarding Wright's spoutings? Oh, yeah, the slums of Chicago are still there, but Obama wants us to believe that he his going to change our Country. We who are not drinking the kool aid, just sit and watch the gathering....predictable mess.

debating
"...a man whose every association so far revealed, is a radical."

Let me explain. Liberals and Democrats do not have a problem sitting next to people with differing views at board meetings, coffees, or any other social event. They understand also that people are made up of many things, and are complex. I know people who are communist, socialist, atheist, and Muslim. I also know people who are devout Christians, conservatives, Republicans, and Charismatics. I once knew someone well who I found out had been in jail for safe-cracking (a long time ago, when people still did that) - we spent many hours talking about his family, his career choices, and his life in jail.

The point is, it was fascinating, and he still had alot of good qualities, but I was not induced to become a theif, nor was I afraid that knowing him would make me a theif.

The same is true of my acquaintances who see the world differently than I do, they are not a threat to my personal views or my integrity.

It seems clear, from McCain's campaign, that conservatives feel that acquaintanceships can "contaminate" you - that is a game we used to play when we were kids, but we grew out of it.

How can America....
today, be thinking of electing a President - a man whose every association so far revealed, is a radical. Wright, Ayers and on down the line.
If he wins, Frank is already proposing reducing our military budget by 25%, Obama is speaking of a civilian police force comparable to our armed forces. The fairness doctrine.
The possibilities are chilling. And a slap in the face to every veteran of America's wars - who have fought and died to preserve the freedoms our young graduate from our disfunctional school systems - totally oblivious of.

Lone
Don't worry, in our Nuevo California Blue State Heaven Alaska will be state non grata. We'll get the beaches and NW wilderness, Red Staters can vacation in Wasilla, which for them will be just like being in heaven.

Tell THAT to SOCIALIST SARAH !


Socialist Sarah told the New Yorker,
'Philip Gourevitch, of this magazine—that “we’re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it’s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources."'

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/11/03/081103taco _talk_hertzberg

Socialism
States that Power and wealth are distributed 'more evenly.'

NOW............

Again, what was that SOCIALIST SARAH did with the OIL VENTURES in ALASKA?

Re-distributed WEALTH!

And what was SOCIALIST SARAH doing giving UNELECTED 'FIRST FOOL' free access to run wild within the government?

Re-distributed POWER!




REPUBLICAN RED PHILLIES & PRES MCCAIN
Excerpt from John McCain, Hero of Destiny: Signs and Cycles of Republican Victory:

"The 2008 World Series Championship was the second for the Phillies in the club’s 126 year history. Their first Championship was in 1980 the year Ronald Reagan defeated Jimmy Carter on a November 4th election date.

To get to the World Series and win it the Republican red Phillies beat the Democratic blue Dodgers in the Playoffs, and the Democratic blue Tampa Rays in the Series. For the Dodgers and Rays to get to the Playoffs and World Series they beat the Cubs and White Soxs, two teams from Barack Obama’s home town of Chicago.

The Phillies won the World Series on the 29th of October the day of the month in August when John McCain celebrates his birthday. This victory came after a delay of two days to complete a six inning game due to inclement weather a first in World Series history.

The Phillies beat the Rays by a score of 4 to 3 giving us the number 43 the presidency number of George W. Bush. Moreover, the number 43 signifies the states of Arizona and Alaska-the homes of McCain and Sarah Palin-in that they are alphabetically the 4th and 3rd states of the Union .

And lastly, 61 days separated the Phillies win from McCain’s last birthday perhaps indicating the year 1961 when Barack Obama was born."

Click ApolloSpeaks and read the entire book of fascinating predictions of McCain's coming victory .



good news for cons - part 2
With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80 percent of the country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the pineapple and lettuce, 92 percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of America's quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90 percent of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools plus Stanford , Cal Tech and MIT. With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to
cope with 88 percent of all obese Americans (and their projected health care costs), 92 percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the tornadoes, 90 percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University , Clemson and the University of Georgia. We get Hollywood and Yosemite , thank you.

Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent say that evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 61 percent of you guys believe you are people with higher morals then we lefties.

Finally, we're taking the good pot, too. You can have that dirt weed they grow in Mexico

Peace out,

Blue states

PS you also get Michael Reagan and Michael savage, of course.

Breaking news - part 1
We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our own country, and we're taking the other Blue States with us. In case you aren't aware,
that includes California , Hawaii , Oregon , Washington , Minnesota , Wisconsin, Michigan , Illinois and all the Northeast. We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially to the people of the new country of New California.

To sum up briefly: You get Texas , Oklahoma and all the slave states. We get stem cell research and the best beaches. We get the Statue of Liberty . You get Dollywood. We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom. We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss. We get 85 percent of America's venture capital and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama . We get two-thirds of the tax revenue, you get to make the red states pay their fair share.

Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single moms. Please be aware that Nuevo California will be pro-choice and anti-war, and we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at once. If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have kids they're apparently willing to send to their deaths for no purpose, and they don't care if you don't show pictures of their children's caskets coming home. We do wish you success in Iraq , and hope that the WMDs turn up, but we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's Quagmire.




Michael and socialism
See Michaels comments and notice his slight of hand bait and switch.

He points to legitamate functions of government that most reasonable people would agree with such as:

1. Fire protection services
2. Police force
3. Roads and bridges
4. City and National Parks

(He left out of course the military also and schools)

Then he goes on to say "These are just a few examples of things taxpayers fund for the collective good. I would argue that profit and greed are not the best motives for everything. "

But conservatives would argue that we pay taxes in order to fund these things. While we don't like taxes we pay them as a neccesity to fund the legitimate functions of government.

The difference is those items Michael mentioned do NOT equate to taking money from those who earn it and giving it to those who did not. That is not what I consider a legitimate function of government. Sen Obama considers the government directed redistribution of wealth between individuals "fairness" but I consider it Socialist.

Lights out
I think you misread my post.
Read it again.

What Obama Thinks...
About the Constitution, the Supreme Court, and our Founding Fathers, in his own words:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

Roy
Nothing the younger generations believe surprises me any more, not considering the morons teaching them and the shows they watch on TV.

(Nothing the older generation, either.)

How many people think the Bill of Rights /gives/ us rights? A majority, I'll bet.


socialism
so whats that make dubya?3/4 socialist?and i seriously doubt that "vast" numbers of kids think george washington was a civil war general.what percentage is "vast".sounds like that assertion is just one that reagan pulled out of his behind.

The Village Blowhard. Priceless!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_f84qX3pBg


Oblahma-Bin-Biden can't be trusted to manage a three chair shoe-shine parlor...in Haiti!

Michael
We already are "half" socialistic...
Obama/Pelosi/Reid will see to it we go all the way to savage communism. Our Universities and main stream media seem to have already done so.

Check this out:

http://www.usawakeup.org/USSA.htm

Oblahma-Bin-Biden can't be trusted to manage a three chair shoe-shine parlor...in Haiti!

Lights out
What is happening in the US is various merchants and merchant organizations (corporations, if you prefer) are buying protection from competition or their own stupidity, or preferential treatment in laws and tarriffs.

That is not Capitalism, that's a tendency toward Fascism from the business side.

Q: Why Are Conservatives Marginalized?

A: This article, and the thought process of it's author and everyone else on the right who thinks the same way.

Here we are in the midst of a huge adventure into socialism undertaken by the hardest-rightwing administration we've had since lord knows when, and you idiots still have this religous stance on Socialism.

YES YOU CAN BE HALF-SOCIALIST! OR 17.52% SOCIALIST, EVEN! When you can look at the governments of various nations and meaningfuly say that this one is more socialist than that other one, and those distinctions prove useful in comparing systems of government, then OBVIOUSLY there is a continuum of degrees of Socialism vs. Capitalism, with pure Socialism on one end and pure capitalism on the other. And I doubt that either 100% pure form exists anywhere in the real world.

GOOD ARTICLE REGAN!
OBAMA VAULT IS FULL OF CORN FLAKES AND PEANUT BUTTER AND AND A JELLY SANDWICH!THE DUDE JUST IS NOT GOOD FOR AMERICA! HE MOCKS THE BIBLE,DIS RESPECTS THE UNBORN,AND IS NOT FOR OUR GUN RIGHTS!LOUIS FARACKKAN SAYS OBAMA IS THE ONE FOR THE WORLD,THAT RIGHT THERE SHOULD BE ENOUGH TO SEND YOU TO THE POLLS TO VOTE FOR MCCAIN-PALIN!

Comrade Nobama
What we can look forward to: Thugocracy based on the Commie Model: 1) Ideology that is completely at odds with the intentions of the Fore Fathers, 2) The systemic dismantling of institutions, not in name but in the core reasons for their existence, so as to serve this ideology, 3) A rapid decline from super power status to a large banana-obama republic with Castro-like ideology driving its mediocre accomplishments, and 4) Social upheaval with high risk for violence.
"The public cannot be too curious concerning the characters of public men." —Samuel Adams

50-50
you can't be half-socialist or half-black!

I follow the dependable "one-drop" rule!

Defeat Liberal Tyranny!


Bush support
Vampire's Reflection, I will be the first to defend and support President Bush. I am so glad we had the fortune to receive Bush at this time in our country’s biography. He has had the highest moral character and history will show him to be one of our greatest Presidents.

What's mine is yours?
Michael Regan writes: “To anyone familiar with socialism, Obama's programs fit comfortably within the pages of Karl Marx's playbook, the root of which is the redistribution of the wealth, the key to the entire Obamian vault. What's mine is yours, and he's the middle man.”
Well, myself being a “privileged” victim of a Central European Socialist/Communist society where I had to spend almost 30 years of my childhood and adult life, I must add how we used to laughingly define a system run by our Communist apparatchiks. In effect, they were saying that “comrades, in our society building ‘justice for all’ and ‘shiny future for all mankind’ what is yours is mine. What is mine, don’t you dare touch it!”

Siblings
Admit it, of the Reagan boys Ron Jr. wins hands down in the brains department.

Errant assumption
Gelbart says capitalism has failed? Based on what data? Capitalism has contributed to the U.S. being the greatest country there has ever been. If you want to see failure, look at the USSR.

Change
Nobody can dispute the fact that a certain "Austrian private" spoke about change in the early 1930s. The only difference in the speeches of the big O and Addy is the language and the tone. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. If the big O is elected, then goodbye to the state of Israel.

Gee Mike
Shouldn't you be talking to your own candidate?

You mean McCains proposal to buy individual mortages and give them new "affordable" loans isn't half socialist?

McCains promise to "out" pork barrel owners, yet he approves of the bail out with billions of pork? I didn't hear any names, as if that really matters.

And now we have the so-called conservative Palin pitching the feds get involved in "special needs children"? Where is that in the constitution?

Don't get me wrong. I'll take the lesser of two evils, so I hope McCain wins. But I won't support the socialist-lite republicrat party.

If you would focus on whats wrong with the GOP (and there is sooo much wrong with it) instead of pointing the finger at the obviuos idiocy of the lost cause Dems, maybe we can get honest republicans that do more than pay lip service(not that they even do that ant longer) to the constitution and win a few senate and house seats.

But it's a lost cause. The neocons, with the likes of you and other pundits backing them,will not give up their power even if it means the whole country goes down the tubes.

Proof: Look at the candidate that got shoved down our throats.

If republicans lose all three barnches this election, they only need look in the mirror as to why.

Historian
O-o-oh!

Lock your doors!! Load your guns!! Say your prayers!!

That baby-killing, drug-addicted, Marxist-socialist-communist-fascist, pederastic terrorist anti-christ is coming to get you, you in particular!!!

Pleasant dreams.

A little bit of history
In the days of the Roman Republic, when poor people were finally given the opportunity to vote, many of the wealthy and powerful candidates for office, called "populares" would travel through the poorer sections of the city, dressed as ruffians, where they would pander to the superstitions and emotions of the disenfranchised, and even adopt their accents and ways of speaking.

At the end of the day, they would go back to their urban villas, change their clothes, bathe, and have a slave serve up dinner.

Some things never change.

LD35
Those "elites" actually thing they are above us. We must show them they are not.

I think you should donate your brain to science posthsumouly.

I said this earlier, our founding fathers could read and speak Latin and Greek, were vastly better educated than the average American is now, were familiar with the - horrors- European philsophers and could speak - double horrors! - French. They were, by comparison to the rest of the population, elite. They formed a relatively small group to declare independence and later, write a constitution, because they thought it was the best way to live for everybody, including all the literate and illiterate Americans who had no original voice.

Apparently, you think America would be a better place had our future been determined by slave-traders, buffalo hunters, and a random selection of populace that could have included criminals, opportunists, and Tories.

I think God for two things: Elitism, which gives more power to people who are smarter, better educated, more knowledgeable than I am, and less power to people like yourself, and the second gift to me as well as Democrats everywhere, Sarah Palin.

How do you like your socialized...
1. Fire protection services
2. Police force
3. Roads and bridges
4. City and National Parks
5. Unemployment insurance
6. Social Security
7. Medicare

These are just a few examples of things taxpayers fund for the collective good. I would argue that profit and greed are not the best motives for everything.

5-stars
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Charles said
"Andrewe, Socialism works on a national scale until the people being robbed to pay for it run out of resources to be stolen. That includes the enslaved working class. "

Excuse me, Charles, but I think you have just described the economic meltdown in our own country due to free-wheeling capitalism, not socialism.

Our working class is making less money while our wealthy class makes more money, and the working class has had to borrow more and more just to stay in the game. We ended up with a paper, shadow economy and those "enslaved" people you pretend to care about are worse off than ever.


ldopas
The confusion in the US regarding Communism, Socialism, Marxism, etc is the result of our Communist Party constantly changing thier name and allying with or founding assorted activist groups, many with mutually incompatible goals. The organizers lied to their recruits, and told the recruits they were told the truth but they needed to lie to those they in turn recruited, who were also told they were being told the truth, but they might need to lie about...

Long ago, the ultimate organizers, mainly the KGB and whoever it was in Red China (I was a Maoist in my own youth in California for a while), may have kept a score card or cheat sheet to keep track, but everything has broken down now to the point no one can keep track of anything except Republicans/Conservatives/Whitey EVIL.

See if you can get to the Zombietime web site. There are some entertaining photo assays showing things like "Gays for the Liberation of Palistine". (Imagine how long a flaming queen would survive in Palistine?)

ldopas (voice from the UK)
If you do not understand what indoctrination is happening in 'free education' then you are beyond hope.

I would suggest that you take your condescending attitude and go back to your socialist paradise.

ALL
The only way, at least without violence, to get even with hollywood(aka pornwood) is to keep yourselves AND your children away from movies & TV.

Those "elites" actually thing they are above us. We must show them they are not.
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I think Jack is a muslim.


Comments
Andrewe, Socialism works on a national scale until the people being robbed to pay for it run out of resources to be stolen. That includes the enslaved working class.

Bradkz, you might take a closer look at the internal structure of primitive tribes and the Viking raiding bands. Internally, they were either socialist or communist, depending on definitions applied. (Small economic units, such as tribes, small villages, and bandit gangs, inevitably have communal or social economic structures internally. Or they die.) (Large scale economic units, such as nations, have to have capitalism, or they die. Note the USSR.)

(Will is back? I thought he found that Masterful, in-his-face activist he was so desperatly searching for?)

Vampire's reflection (I love the way the leftards' names reflect their willingness to take responsibility for the results of their comments), we have been complaining about Bush all along. Our voices have been drowned out by the silly and shrill inanity from the Left and the BDS sufferers. We could do nothing without making the situation worse.

“Counterfeit” is the best way to describ
I was quite pleased to see Senator McCain finally use the example of Senator Obama’s claim to Charles Gibson his capital gains tax plan was not about revenue but “Fairness.”

Now I suggest we need to add a new word into the tax cut debate… beyond terms like “redistribution” and “fairness” I think a one-word, and accurate description of Obama’s so-called tax cut plan is “Counterfeit.”

It is a widely-used monetary term virtually everyone can relate to. And Obama’s “Counterfeit Tax Cut Plan” is just that for several reasons… it does not lower taxes for 95% of Americans, does not take into consideration payroll and capital gains taxes, which he plans to raise; and maybe most importantly, he’s NEVER once, ever, at any level of government voted for any type of a tax cut for anyone – what makes us believe he’ll do it if he’s elected?

“Counterfeit” is the best way to describe Obama’s plan.

Respectfully submitted,
Alan V. Pearson, Campaign 2008 Chairman
McKinley County (NM) Republican Party

Jack, you are dishonest
Jack
Location: PA

Date: Oct 30, 2008 - 12:06 PM EST talent scooter
Your psot is exactly what I described to Idopas. You make a claim that has no substantiation, and you say its true just because it is.
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You come to TH to do nothing but lie.

My post is exactly what and who you are, a cultist who loves lies and the immoral Obama, a genuine hypocrite extreme liar

Obama is on record
Saying the biggest moral failure a man or a nation can be guilty of, is to not care for the poor or the weak.
He quoted the Sermon on the Mount by Jesus Christ when he said this at the debate with Rick Warren being the Moderator.

Several months ago it came out that his very own brother is living on 12 dollars a year.
And now we find out he has an Aunt living in Boston in extreme poverty.

This man does not mean a single thing he says, and is the biggest liar and least experienced person to have ever ran for President.

There is a Crime being committed in all of this twisting and lying about who this man is, and it will have a payday in reaping what they are sowing with their lies about this hypocrite and phony little man Obama.


JohnR22
I have a serious quesion.

Aside from Reagan's report, do you have any knowledge whatsoever of what Gelbart said?

Blood, toil, tears and sweat
God told Israel that they were a city on a hill, a beacon to the world, but in rejecting their Messiah that status was lost. America is at this moment, the last and only beacon left in this world.

Even the French, whom we are told despise us, don't. Only their elite and their MSM hate us, just like here. 52% of the French would move here if they could. 55% of the Dutch would love to come to America, and 30% of the Brits, despite the Lord mayor of London endorsing Obama.

Our big cities are full of immigrants who made their way here for freedom. We cannot let them down. Obama promises the easy slide, the chicken in every pot, while his heart is fully Marxist, and he and Bill Ayers know their plans to take down the White Administration which they blame for all of our ills. Bill Ayers book, waiting in the wings at Amazon.com, says so. I hate to even type that in, it sounds so blooming racist, as I would have to be a skinhead to suggest such a thing, but you can check http://www.amazon.com for yourselves, its there.

Neville Chamberlain signed agreements with Hitler, and all of Parliament cheered him for doing so as he departed. Winston Churchill then entered the Chamber and told England "I have nothing to offer you but blood, sweat, toil and tears..." if they were going to beat back the Nazis with the total war that would be required.

There are millions of angry democrat PUMAs ready to work side by side with republicans of good will to cut out the heart of the marxist socialist lie in America once the Obamatron is trounced. We must either defeat this evil cancer, or die trying.

Racist Obama carefully chose his Mentor
From Mr. Obama’s first autobiography, “Dreams From My Father” pp 131-6

"...When I asked for other pastors to talk to, several gave me the name of Reverend Wright..."

Barack Obama had his first meeting with Jeremiah Wright.

"...Afterward, in the parking lot, I sat in my car and thumbed through a silver brochure that I’d picked up in the reception area. It contained a set of guiding principles-a “Black Value System”-that the congregation had adopted in 1979..."

Wright remains a maverick among Chicago’s vast assortment of black preachers. He will question Scripture when he feels it forsakes common sense; he is an ardent foe of mandatory school prayer; and he is a staunch advocate for homosexual rights, which is almost unheard of among African-American ministers. Gay and lesbian couples, with hands clasped, can be spotted in Trinity’s pews each Sunday. Even if some blacks consider Wright’s church serving only the bourgeois set, his ministry attracts a broad cross section of Chicago’s black community.
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Obama's Pastor: Rev. Jeremiah Wright
"Hannity & Colmes," March 1, 2007

WRIGHT: If you're not going to talk about theology in context, if you're not going to talk about liberation theology that came out of the ‘60s, (INAUDIBLE) black liberation theology, that started with Jim Cone in 1968, and the writings of Cone, and the writings of Dwight Hopkins, and the writings of womanist theologians, and Asian theologians, and Hispanic theologians...

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=892361 62

A sad commentary
Barack Obama is the saddest commentary about Americans, today's Americans. That so many adore and worship him is evidence of how lazy and fat and greedy and stupid and do-nothing the majority of people living in this country have become. They want they want they, but do they want to work for what they want? Goodness, NO.

ALL he offers is vacuous promises. The man has done nothing. The man has no real platform. The man lies through his bleached teeth. And worst of all -- he has ZERO history, ZERO track record and ZERO accomplisments. And yet hordes of fat, hungry, lazy, greedy idiots adore him.

And unfortunately, we have a government that is pretty much equal to Obama's achievements -- ZERO. Everything the government runs anything, be it education or Social Security or Medicare, it messes up. Clearly, the government was meant to PROTECT the nation, NOT run social programs. The machinery itself needs a major overhaul, and now America is thinking of electing a Socialist to overhaul it. This is what's idiotic, beyond belief.

Truly, the saddest commentary.

Since capitalism has failed...
Well, you can see where Gelbart is coming from with his first sentence..."Since capitalism has failed...".

Capitalism has NOT failed. What has failed is our congressional oversight (a combination of too much Rep deregulation and too much Dem support of politically correct/economically disasterous policies at Freddie/Fannie). This led to the sub-prime mess, which led to the credit crunch, and so on. It's a crisis, but nothing we won't recover from.

No, Gelbart's conclusion that capitalism is dead is not based on objective facts. He believes it because he WANTS to believe it. Just one more example of a 60s era activist who has never given up on his pipe dreams of a socialist (marxist) utopia.

And why not try it? I'll tell you why. Once entitlement programs are in place, you'll never be rid of them.

Claudia is right, socialism is a scheme
Claudia of OR, post number 3, thank you for your testimony.

Marxism parades itself as a political idea to give the means of capital to the poor, the proletariat. It is really only a scheme by the very very wealthy to control the resources of a nation from the top, keeping all the citizens as slaves. Lenin was back by the same bankers who own all the 'federal reserve banks' which are not federal, and they pay no taxes on the money we pay them which they only paid to print.

Marxism is a scheme to keep all the world's workers from ever getting ahead, and it will always portray itself for being for the little guy, but that is its most massive, ugly lie. The world system described to John in the Revelation is a world which buys and sells human beings, and that world system is a marxist, antiChrist system to whom people are NOTHING.

Those who have lived under it like Claudia see it for the bag of lies that it is. People like Claudia fought to escape, to come to America. We owe it to the people who fight to come here for freedom to so vote against lying communist scum like Obama that this election becomes a PROFOUND REJECTION of Marxism itself.

Marx worshipped Lucifer. Blatantly. He worshipped the devil himself. Marxism is the devil's religious/political system to enslave all mankind.

Inquiring minds
Can anyone explain to me why wealthy socialist like George Soros, Larry Gelbart, Joe Biden, and Barak Obama do not voluntarily redistribute their wealth to the masses? Could it be because they feel they are not included in those who need to share their wealth? If you look at the history of any socialist style government, you will see that those who pushed for socialism felt they were immune from the wealth sharing. They considered themselves the enlightened ruling class who had to oversee the masses. Therefore they deserve a better lifestyle from the general population. Now where I come from, we have another name for people like this. We call them hypocrites.

I got mine - you can't have any.
I remember reading about Michelle Obama talking to a group in southeastern Ohio during the democrat primary. She, a senior executive at a Chicago hospital, told those assembled that they should not seek to work for the greedy corporations (WHAT!!!), but should seek to find employment at some non-profit job, serving their fellow citizens. Of course, she didn't talk about her position, or her other paid positions of several corporate boards, which she EARNED??? as a result of her socialist husband being newly elected to the Illinois state senate. She was being paid at about $150,000 per year, then Barack Hussein gets elected state senator, and GUESS WHAT??, she is given a pay raise to over $300,000 per year. What changed? Barack was now in a position to send special earmarks to that very same hospital, which HE DID, and in amounts greater than her newly EARNED?? salary. Voter FRAUD is not the only FRAUD in this families background. When he was elected to the U.S. SENATE, he put special earmarks to the same hospital. Now how does this greed line up with Michelle telling those Ohio voters to ignore trying to work for the corporate world? I got mine, now go help the poor that I dont want to. Michelle and Barack Hussein , look in the mirror, HYPOCRISY is thy name. SHAME!!

talent scooter
Your psot is exactly what I described to Idopas. You make a claim that has no substantiation, and you say its true just because it is.


Who says capitalism failed?
Capitalism hasn't failed. This hasn't been capitalism we have watched taking the economy into the danger zone. This was leftist socialist liberal democrats forcing the banks to give loans they would never have given. This was a leftist democratic congress forcing the banks to ACT LIKE SOCIALISTS.

We are facing liars in the MSM, the congress, the senate, the DNC, and the Obamatron himself. Discernment is our only safety right now. Even young pro-Obama women are telling their friends that once they got in the voting booths, they couldn't vote for Obama, they just don't think he is ready.

Park is right
The programs (he - she) mentioned are all forms of socialist government management. Reagan's half-baked idea that there can't be any socialism any more than a partial pregnancy is just philosophy lite, which is all he ever does.

Hey, go back to talent scout, the current representive of the conservative intellectual front.

It doesn't matter to Dems....
...that they chug-a-lug kool aid while they're being manipulated into economic oblivion. Even their mere existence would be threatened under obama's reign, but he's just so "kool"!

That the "promise" of socialism is equality for all, the reality is that corruption flourishes in those systems, and the people are used as fodder for the latest social pogroms. To the liberal, it all just doesn't matter, and while social programs have devasted the so-called black community, they all want more of it.

The garden variety liberal is just an adolescent with adult prerogatives, and immediate gratitification motivates them to feel good about themselves while they gaze into their collective mirrors.

obama, that messiah for the willfully ignorant, is just selling failed doctrines of old. But he makes them feel oh-so-good.

Idopas...
What you obvioulsly don't realize, is that the economy was doing just fine, despite 9/11, from that point up until around 2007, about a year after the socialists(democrats), took control of the house and senate. The main reason the economy is bad now, is the housing bubble that burst,ie:fannie and freddie. Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Frank raines, thay should all be indicted. Bush hasn't wrecked the economy the liberals in both houses of congress has, and in a very short amount of time. And now, are we going to elect the most socialist of them all, to be our president???
Unbelievable, how gullable some of you are.

stbmom
That was a good post, thank you, a rare gem! :-)

I cannot agree though. I see where you are coming from, but its not as simple as that.

Our education system is agreed by the us and put in place by the government. That has to be the right way. Thats not socialism, its means that a kid gets a good start. Thats right, not a philisophy.

No kid is seen as belonging to the state here, that is just incorrect. But to think that parents should do ALL the educating of their kids is ridiculous.

What you are advocating is a free for all. Parents who dont have time, arent clever enough, dont give a damn. It wont work. And that is nothing to do with socialism or capitalism, its to do with valueing our young.

If we take your logic and apply it to health. Do you then think that mothers should carry out surgery on their kids? Because they are responsible for the kid?

Of course not. You send your kid to a surgeon. Why? Because they are trained and you cant do it properly.

So fine, if you want to advocate basically an anything goes survival of the fittest(very Darwinian and interesting concept from an american) and in many cases child abuse meeted out on a kid because their parents dont give a damn, then good for you. Me I want better for all of them!

Hey Jack
Everyone calls Obama a Socialist because that is what and who he is.
Get it?

Not hard to understand, but honesty is the most difficult for you Obama cultists

Marxism is definity socialism
As is, the Fabian Marxists of the UK, like one posting here, the typical arrogant European .

Out of Europe has come every form of evil government this world has ever known.

Europeans are the most arrogant men on the earth, and are complete fools and morons on political issues, and think they are wise.

Fascism came out of Europe
Communism came out of Europe
Nazism came out of Europe
Colonialism came out of Europe
Church and State came out of Europe
Slavery in the America's came out of Europe.
Imperialism came out of Europe.
Europe is the home of the worst offenders of Human Rights to have ever cursed this planet

Idopas
If you will allow me...

The conservative movement in America is a wonder to behold. It's proponents have, for about 20 years, struggled to convince each other that the ability to think critically is unnecessary. The TRUTH has already been established. Sometimes the TRUTH comes from the Bible. Sometimes it comes from Rush Limbaugh. Today it comes from Reagan. But in no case does one consider facts and evidence and arrive at a truth.

If Sean Hannity says Obama is a Socialist, then he must be. If Reagan says there are no gradations of Socialism, then that must be true. And all this DESPITE any facts, history or evidence that might be applicable.

The most amazing aspect is what happens when fellow conservative believers are finally so overwhelmed by reality that they can't take it anymore. Read what conservatrons write about George Will , Kathleen Parker, Colin POwell or any of the other Republicans who just can't stomach the right wingers anymore.




Park
Well said!

You get it. You know that these are social programs...ie making people lives better. The product of a successful capitalist state! NOT sociliast programs.

I wish you could explain that concept to most of the others here who dont get it! ;-)

Idopas
You mentioned education earlier, which is of particular importance to me. Your pronouncement that "don't all children deserve an education" speaks volumes of the difference between socialist and those that enjoy freedom.
See, those of us that are conservatives and freedom loving people who back the Constitution don't consider children (or adults for that matter) to belong to the state.
So, while, in theory, it would be great if every child in the world got a high quality education that threw open every door in the universe to them - we know that isn't going to happen. So, instead of saying that children, as wards of the government, should be entitled to the education the government deems appropriate for them, we would rather freedom be the primary thing. While that means some parents won't do the right thing, we believe most parents will do the right thing and supply their children with a good education (maybe not great, but good enough to put them on a path to make great decisions for themselves in the future).
Those that are socialist say "for the good of soceity, everyone should get an education". However, this becomes an education the government deems appropriate to fullfill the needs of the goverment. In theory that should also meet the needs of the individual, but usually it does not.
So, I would rather risk a few children not get an appropriate education, but the vast majority have the freedom to be educated in the way their loving parents decide until they are old enough to choose for themselves. Socialist have to come from a belief that the individual is stupid, greedy, and mostly a criminal that needs the government to set them right. Conservatives believe the vast majority of individuals will do what is best for themselves and ultimately create an environment that is best for everyone.

45caliber
Yes all very well, but you miss the point that certainly in the western world we all know socialism and communism are failed ideologies.

In the UK, though you lot still and boringly refer to us as socialist, we know this. The Labour government was out of power for decades until it ditched any sign of socialism and moved to the centre ground.

Think thatcher or Major were socialists?

National Health Servise is a social programme, not socialism. How many times do we have to say it.

Any informed nation knows that socialism doesnt work. We do.

And just because you lot are trying to whip up some sort of nutso conspiracy to try and rescue MCains campaign, and intelligent american or anyone else knows that neither of them are socialists.

What you are being asked to vote on are their social programs. And yes, one probably (Obamas) will need more money than the other.

But since its been years of Republican led disaster, now come to a head with your exonomy, I think he deserves a crack at it, rather than McCain dealing you more of the same failed policies.

Hollywood
I can tell you from experience the "Hollywood group's" (will never be able to call them "stars" or celebraties") elevators have never reached the top floor - exceptfor maybe a few. Adolf Hitler sat on his mountaintop castle while his people died for his belief - he also sold them with his oratory. Gilbert, while talented re: Mash, probably doesn't know what socialism really is or how it works - he just wants on some bandwagon...

Marxism is Political Philosophy based in
Socialism.
Nazi's, a political party of socialists.
Communists, a political party of socialists.
Democrats of today, a political party of socialists.

The enemy is in power already.
The enemy being the suicidal push for centralized power that brings with it the abuse of all individual rights.

Its always promoted by immoral people who are living with a guilty conscience and all their goals is to assuage their self guilt, and will just increase into hate for the innocent.

Its the Natural Law of the Universe in the world of mankind.

Guilty conscience being convicted by their own immorality want to condemn all that is good and decent

Reagan is such a moron
We have a socialized rail system, mail delivery, SSI, SS, health care for old people, (not just Medicare, but thousands of vaccination programs, insurance programs, etc.) food stamp programs, lunch programs for kidsand so on, and on, and on.

I would accuse Reagan of cyncal, cheesy fear-mongering, but unfortunately, I've read some of his articles before and the evidence shows that he's just plain stupid.

John
Islam the same as socialism.

Congrats, that is the most stupid thing Ive ever heard.

Islam is the same as fundamental christianity.

Islam is not PC, as you state, its quite the opposite. Pushing religious idiology on all with threads of death for not believing. They also believe in the death penalty. As I said rather like you country now!

Obama and Democrats are Clowns

When you put clowns in charge, don't be surprised when America becomes a circus.


The REAL Socialism
Socialism is a system where everything is supposed to be owned equally by everyone. Everyone is equal. So the Communists added a little, just as all systems do. Everyone is equal - but those in the Communist Party are more equal. And you can't get into the party just because you want to. Only those who are born into it can get in. And while everything is owned equally, it is fine for the members of the party to be able to live in the nice houses and display the fine items such as good funiture, paintings, jewelry, etc. owned by everyone. And everyone should be happy that these items are being displayed. Ah ... right. And now people want to do that here. Are you in the right party? It certainly isn't the Republicans - or the Democrats. I wonder what it will be called.

dave742
Chavez is mocking you, obviously. Ignore him.

However it is interesting that I live in the UK, and you yanks always call Europe socialist, (one or two countries yes, the rest no).


If I applied the same to your continent with themis of systems. Should i be accusing america of being a drug dealing puppet state.

Of course not, so have the good grace to understand Europe a bit more.

Redlac
You post is a perfect example of the mistake americans make.

You reduce a complex political system to silly labels. Then get confused when it all doesnt make sense.

A socialist state is not automatically Marxist for example.

The truth is simple. Obama or McCain. You (and my country the UK) are always going to be capitalist countries. That is why we are at the top of the tree where living standards and infrastructure are concerned.

You are confusing (as you do I suspect on purpose or through ignorance as you always do with my country, even though its not true, the fact that some countries decide to use tax revenues to help its social fabric.

That isnt socialism, its using monies to ensure that the, for example, health of its people is good so that it can create more capital.

This social spending, you see as socialism. But it isnt.

Hence we have this silly and quite juvenile discussion here about whether you are 1/2, 1/3, 8/9, 2/100ths socialist. Its idiotic.

As idiotic as discussing whether as we are part made up of water whether we are 2/3 fish. See, idiotic.

I know Im urinating in the wind here, as clearly people dont understand this.

Deacon
I really dont know why I bother, because the average americans knowledge of political systems and global politics is pretty appalling.

Still. Yes Im from the UK, no Im not socialist. No we dont have a socialist government, the Labout government is a slightly left of centre. No that doesnt make us interested in Marx, and never has been.

That is just as stupid as me saying that McCain is right wing and is therefore a fan of Mussolinis writings.

Can we step out of the playground and look at the real world please.

You explanation of what you think education should be was as evasive as if a politician had said it. "Will power", what will that get you if the system demands you pay cash to get educated.

Home schooling? And how do parents who work hard and pay taxes find the amount of time to do that then?

Indoctination? What on earth has that to do with the question I posed to you? Though I might add that home schooling is a turkey shoot. You assume the parents have a) the knowledge and b) arent indoctrinating their kids with garbage.

So I'll try again. Do you not thing it RIGHT, nothing to do with politics, that a kid from wherever they come from should have access to good education? After all that is the christian thing to do and it also benefits all society.

And as for you comment about me boring you saying your country is rabidly christian. Over 60% believe in the creationist theory and over 80% believe in a god. Every politician having to talk about god somewhere in their mandate.

So please dont go there, you know Im right on the money.

Socialist Culture Is Similar to Islam.
PC Culture, the cultue of socialism, is majoritarian, at best. Once they control government then all their principles will be applied with the same authority as laws against murder. What are some principles of PC culture? One of the most important is that the person with the higher degree is treated as superior, even in an argument where reasons given should prevail. This is also Ivy League culture. One of the great failings of our university system is that it has managed to spread Ivy League ideology across all of America.

Thank You Mr. Reagan/vampire
This was a pleasure to read. And all too true.

Vampire...,you've been out of touch for a while.It's odd that you can comment on the politics of the here and now.Shouldn't you be back in your coffin waiting for darkness to fall?


Ah, REagan Reports...
that Gelbart said something and you all accept it like it's the gospel truth. No context. No questioning. Just BLIND acceptance.

And aside from teh fact you have only Reagans' word for what Gelbart said, in what context and with what tone, his basic premise is idiotic!

Of course there are degrees of socialism. Duh? Ever hear of Social Security? Ever drive on a damn interstate highway? Anybody here go to school on a Pell grant?

Sheesh. You guys have to be the most gullible people in the world. Send your coke bottle back to heaven. (no, you won't get that joke.)



Deacon
I really dont know why I bother, because the average americans knowledge of political systems and global politics is pretty appalling.

Still. Yes Im from the UK, no Im not socialist. No we dont have a socialist government, the Labout government is a slightly left of centre. No that doesnt make us interested in Marx, and never has been.

That is just as stupid as me saying that McCain is right wing and is therefore a fan of Mussolinis writings.

Can we step out of the playground and look at the real world please.

You explanation of what you think education should be was as evasive as if a politician had said it. "Will power", what will that get you if the system demands you pay cash to get educated.

Home schooling? And how do parents who work hard and pay taxes find the amount of time to do that then?

Indoctination? What on earth has that to do with the question I posed to you? Though I might add that home schooling is a turkey shoot. You assume the parents have a) the knowledge and b) arent indoctrinating their kids with garbage.

So I'll try again. Do you not thing it RIGHT, nothing to do with politics, that a kid from wherever they come from should have access to good education? After all that is the christian thing to do and it also benefits all society.

And as for you comment about me boring you saying your country is rabidly christian. Over 60% believe in the creationist theory and over 80% believe in a god. Every politician having to talk about god somewhere in their mandate.

So please dont go there, you know Im right on the money.

We already are 1/2 socialist.
Government pays for 50% of medical care. The Federal Reserve board is the central planning agency for our economy, and has almost unlimited power. Most of Agriculture is a product of quotas, rationing, and central planning. We have higher corporate taxes than France or Germany, we have higher medical costs than France or Germany, we support people who don't work. Only the top 60% pay taxes. We expropriate earnings to pay for future retirement - and believe me, we have no options but to pay, Etc. Etc.

Please explain yourself Michael. Are we not already 1/2 socialist?

email I just received from goptrust.com
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On a personal note, I say we Republicans "get in the voter's faces" with these ads!

Confused
I thought we already became socialist:

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/venezuela/3207978/Hugo-Chavez-celebrates-comrade-George-W-Bushs-conversion-to-socialism-following-financial-crisis.html

Obama is Building the Framework

What is the difference between socialism and communism?

Socialism can only grow directly from Capitalism.

Communism can only be achieved from Socialism.

Socialisms slogan is: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his DEEDS."

Communisms slogan is: "From each according to his ability, to each according to his NEEDS."

Socialism and communism are alike in that both are systems of production for use based on public ownership of the means of production and centralized planning.

Socialism is the first step in the process of developing the productive forces to achieve abundance and changing the mental and spiritual outlook of the people.

Socialism is the necessary transition stage from capitalism to communism.

There are two kinds of property to a Socialist:
1) Property used for private enjoyment, i.e. Automobile.
2) Property used to produce the Automobile.

Socialists will allow you personal property i.e. Automobile, but will take away and own the property used to manufacture the Automobile.


There is one kind of property to a Communist:
That which is owned by the state, including the citizens of that state.

The communist principle of distribution according to NEEDS is not immediately possible and practical until the Socialist framework is in place.

The conjecture that Socialism is NOT Marxist thinking is both foolish and plain silly.

http://hisfacts.blogtownhall.com/2008/10/21/obamas_radical_ and_communist_alliances.thtml

Rather than criticizing Obama
It seems to me that if right wing media had held George Bush accountable, rather than always just complaining about liberals, you all wouldn't be in this mess.

The only reason Liberals can even bring up socialism today is that Conservatives failed over the last eight years.

Right wing media should focus more on holding conservatives accountable and forget whining about Liberals.

Engineers vs Welfare in Germany
In Germany to earn an engineering degree one must attend an extended High School (gymnasium is german word for it) then attend a Univeristy. The admissions rates are lower for German then in the US because of the difficult admission requirements (although admission is free).

Then a new graduate with an Engineering degree who works hard and has proven himself will earn an average $250 (200 euros)more after taxes are withheld then someone who sits home and is on German welfare.

My source for that is a recent spiegel magazine article in German (translated by my wife).

The best and brightest in Germany in fields of medicine and engineering are leaving the country to places like Switzerland or elsewhere.

This is what Sen Obama wants to do to the US.

Rob L aka tinsldr2@yahoo.com


Uninformed or in denial about the truth?
I am baffled by people's lack of knowing the facts about O'Bama's life and the fact that they do not seem to care. I wonder if God is allowing the people of the U.S. to be blinded to the truth so that He can make a point to this hethenistic society which seems hell bent on self-destruction???

True Communism
"The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property."
- Karl Marx

GIVING TO THE POOR!
If Barry,Joey and his flock of losers are so confident that they will win why did he spend millions last night?
If he really cares about the poor; he could have donated $$$ to shelters everywhere!Heck he could have taken a group of individuals and treat them as if they won the lottery!
Barry and his party seek power and don't care about anyone or any group except for themselves! WAKE UP AMERICA!

Fools Fall Sooner Or Later
At this point I don't know who are the greatest fools, those who promote Socialism or those that follow those who promote Socialism.

Fools always fall sooner or later but the wise will stand until the end.

Anne-JPSavage-Todd-Others
MY! OH! MY! Aren’t the trolls getting snippy?!?!?! I thought Liberals were PACIFISTS who said violence is NEVER THE ANSWER! Troll Rage is out of control:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,445044,00.html


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,444712,00.html


Gelbart made MILLIONS by making use of his GOD GIVEN talents, but he would DENY anyone else that opportunity!?!?!?

BTW, have you noticed the look on ACORN Hussein Obama’s face lately? WHY is he so MAD?

LMAO at Hypocritical, VIOLENT, Liberals!

More for your reading pleasure. :-)

US: Washington Post reports on Obama Campaign Credit Card Fraud--but somehow Avoids the CRITICAL Quesion

From: newsmediamagazine.com
Post Date: 2008-10-28 21:21:16

"Although the Washington Post is now reporting about the Obama Campaign's unbridled, unchecked credit card donations from "all of the above", it still is obviously missing the whole point: this not only invites fraud, it IS fraud. Ed Morrissey comments: Mosk never thinks to ask the one question that has already occurred to conservative bloggers. What makes the Obama campaign different from online retail operations? After all, we have spent almost 15 years buying and selling product..."


Oh, and by all means, read on. There's much MORE. :-)

Anne-JPSavage-Todd-Others
MY! OH! MY! Aren’t the trolls getting snippy?!?!?! Troll Rage is out of control: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,445044,00.html


BTW, have you noticed the look on ACORN Hussein Obama’s face lately? WHY is he so MAD?

Obama's Marxism

One need not be old to recognize failures that have been tried before.

One only needs to know history and have logic and reason that is not warped by ideology.

There are many 'flavors' of Marxism - socialism, nazism, fascism, maoism etc all required a collectivist society and participation by all.

All have more similarities than differences - all have been tried and failed for the same basic reason.

Coercion on those who do not wish to participate.

The attempts to force individuals who do not wish to participate in collectives have resulted in over 100,000,000 deaths.

Collectivism is not compatible with the free will of the individual or individual rights such as private property, self determination and the right to pursue individual happiness.

What coercion will be used against Catholic hospitals or Doctors and Nurses that do not wish to participate in Universal Healthcare and Universal Abortion?

What coercion will be used against those who own companies and do not wish to give them up?

Fairness under the US Constitution and Bill of Rights demands that evey individual citizen have the same rights as every other individual - no more and no less.

If you want a 'fair' country start protesting anyone or anything that have rights that 'all citizens' do not have, like Affirmative Action and Corporate Welfare - demand justice for all.

Is Obama the One for Marxism?

One thing Barack Hussein Obama made 'Crystal Clear' in his speech on wednesday, he makes 'Slick Willy' look like an amateur when it comes to lofty rhetoric!

The speech hit almost all of the 'Hot Buttons' that his followers wanted to hear, without any specificity of how those 'Catch Phrases' will be accomplished.

The essence of Obama remains the same, 'anything you want is Obama Change and everything you feel is Obama Hope'.

Obama has convinced himself, the MSM and his followers that America is without 'Hope' unless Obama can 'Change' America.

The underlying 'Obama Principle' is about rewarding failure and punishing success.

Obama believes that 'those less equal' shall become 'equal', typical Marxist rhetoric.

Obama like most Marxists, believe the only reason that Marxism has failed miserably anywhere it has been tried, is because the wrong person has led the 'Revolution' and Obama believes he is the 'One' to finally accomplish Marxisim.

BHO's speech writer leaves:Voting McCain

"OBAMA SPEECH WRITER LEAVES CAMPAIGN AND WILL VOTE FOR MCCAIN"
Post Date: Oct 29, 2008 8:29 p.m.

For full text please visit source:
http://www.southernappeal.org/index.php/archives/5078

"This woman is exceptionally brave. When one considers how the Obama Campaign, as well as the mainstream media, has treated apostates from the church of the Obamessiah one has to appreciate the courage this act of honesty represents. I think she hits the nail on the head with this: I can no longer justify what this party has done and can't dismiss the treatment of women and working people as just part of the new kind of politics. It's wrong and someone has to say that. And also say that the Democratic Party's talking points—that Senator John McCain is just four more years of the same and that he' President Bush's now just hooker lines that fit a very effective and perhaps wave-winning political argument doesn't mean they're true. After all, he is the only one who's worked in a bipartisan way on big challenges. Heed this woman’s warning. Obama does not represent some new age transformational change, he represents the bare knuckled politics of t...


nomo
I am with you.

You answer your self before you ask any question. IT was shoved down OUR throats. The conservatives in America did NOT WANT THE BAIL OUT and told peso george and the red run congress so. Please try and keep up.


Left should listen to my wisdom
If you are liberal/progressive reading this listen up. The economic laws of capitalism are not evil, just laws. Those laws are not controllable, just as natures laws are not controllable. WE have a problem if we try to control economic laws of supply and demand, as we have in nature when we break out of balance. The Left, you can feel powerless and desperate because you have no control over the Laws, but think how much better you would feel if you would take the time to learn and respect the Laws instead of fighting them. This would help you all with all the bitterness and victimology on your side.

CLAUDIA - WELL SAID
The majority of Americans don't really know or understand what Socialism really is. I have lived in three different countries with Socialistic Governments. All of the peoople are heavily taxed, just ask the next Frenchman or German you meet. They become more and more dependent on the governments to meet all of their needs. Just think for a minute how easy it will be to control a nation whose people are totally dependent on the government.
As for socialistic medicine, I visited with a Canadian Doctor in Vancouver a few years ago and her opinion was that their medical system was a mess because of socialized medicine. If we have socialized medicine in this country we will lose many fine doctors and medical professionals who do not want to be part of the system. Our research and development in medicine will lessen. We have the best medical training and knowledge in the world, that is why many foreign students come here for their training, and patients for specialized treatments. Yet, some of you out there want to give that up. After what I have seen in three different countries, I know you'll be sorry.

Socialism Forced By Democrats
Why do you think the stock market fell? It was the Freddie Mac & Fanny Mae Democrat controlled programs that forced & threatened banks to give loans to those who couldn't pay them back.

They were forcing Socialistic ideas into a Capitalistic system which has become disasterous.

To all trolls
There were some posters who pointed out that during WWII we were fighting Hitler's Axis. So, therefore it was not Communist/Socialist. Wrong. Nazi is the shortened German for National Socialist. Hitler was an advocate for the state controlling the means of production(abolition of private property). He had a hatred of representative republics. It looks wals and quacks like duck.

It's understandable that the young and idealistic think their brand of Socialism will work. They will argue that Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Ceaucescu....this list is an exhaustive one; were not the right people. It's maddening that this type of thinking can persist through middle age and beyond.

Give me your Damn Money!
Hey Mr. Messiah, dont ask me for my Money, so you can turn around and give to some Poor Oppressed Crackhead or Welfare Mother. Go back to Congress and try doing your job....

WW2
Idopas,

Hitler was a socialist head of a socialist nationalist party. His group and the communists fought for power in post war germany. But not for ideological differences. All his city projects were social works. His party owned all the economic resources, thats why he could take power from the Chancellor and put himself in power as supreme leader not unlike N Korea. You seem to believe that communists saved the war on the russian front for ideological reasons, which is simply not true. Hitler=Socialist=Communist=(fill in the blank)

McCain is gaining!
This morning's polls from the most reliable of the bunch - Zogby, IBD, Gallup and Rasmussen - have McCain within the margin of error.

Go to http://www.goptrust.com and watch the national ads they are running in battleground states and beyond: The Rev. Wright association; and a few on Obama's plan to give any illegal immigrant a driver's license.

These ads will help make the difference with the undecideds - and give McCain the election.

ldopas (voice from the UK) writes..
'Number 10 is free education for all children. Tell me, as you come from the most rabidly christian country in the world, why that is not a good idea?

Do you think is the right thing to educate a kid, who after all not had a say about what or where they were born, so that they fgrow up as productive memebrs of society.

Or should we only educate kids whos daddy's are rich?

Which one do you think is right...as a christian.'


Since you are from the UK you are very likely quite socialistic. That may be why you have such a strong reaction to Karl Marx and Frederick Engels. I doubt that you will accept my explanation.

Free education - The old saying 'You get what you pay for.' couldn't be truer. Education is a process. It is not difficult to become educated if the will power is there. It certainly doesn't take multi-million dollar buildings and fancy books. It certainly doesn’t take the heavy hand of a central government to see to the indoctrination of children. A fine education can be had with much less complicated and expensive measures. Home schooled children come to mind.

As to your question of Christian. Christians believe that the parents are the first teachers of their children.

As to America being rabidly Christian. Give me a break. You really bore me.







Socialism's real face
Sorry for the double post but I am an American living for 10 years in Sweden and I can answer any democrats questions about the wonders of living in a socialist country. We have health care from the government. We get to call a phone number and wait an hour to talk to a secretary who asks us about our illness. She has no medical training but decides if it is serious enough to warrant booking a time with a real doctor sometime this or next month. This process takes all day. We often miss work. When we go to the hospital we never know who we will meet- a different doctor every time. They read a journal about us and decide what to prescribe. We are only allowed a few minutes in the office. Then we get to go to the pharmacy- owned by the government- to buy really expensive medicine. If the medicine or the diagnosis is wrong we have no recourse. We are not allowed to contact doctors directly and no agency oversees the quality of our health care. If the treatment doesn’t work we are outta money and start the whole cycle again. My wife went in to remove gallstones and a doctor cut open all her major stomach muscles. She is lame for life and nothing got do about it. Swedes have no preventative health care. That is too expensive for the state and there are no private doctors. Any more questions about socialism?

Elitists - Socialism For You, Not Them
How can any American promote Socialism for others with a straight face after they become rich from Capitalism?

Hollywood has gotten rich from Americans who buy their movies, music etc so why would they want to live under less money in the future?

Rich Politicians become richer because the American people pay them a salary that they can invest or use to become richer.

Are these people so self important that they think that they are the only ones that can keep their money while you scratch for yours to buy their product?

There will be less money for Hollywood if our country becomes Socialists or are they promised a salary by the govwernment?

Lying socialists in Sweden
I live in Sweden.I will answer ANY quesiton americans have about socialism at work in a western country. In short, everything sucks under socialism. Sweden spends all its energy trying to fool americans that their system is great. Don't be fooled by socialists.They lie about everything.

comments on reply #24
Reply #24 is completely ridiculous, insulting, and should be removed. Ronald Reagan was one of the best leaders America has ever had, and to call him a socialist is treacherous.

M.R.
"Moreover, our shoddy educational curriculum that has left most younger Americans so deficient in the study of history that vast numbers of them think George Washington was a Civil War general, or a lumberman who chopped down cherry trees."

This is just a stupid thing to say.

"as a christian"
You give through your church and charity and not because your government takes it from you.

"Render to Ceasar"

What is Socialism?
“Socialism” is defined in the Merriam Webster Dictionary as follows: “1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods 2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state 3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done.”

Barack Obama is not in favor of any of the above. He simply wants to return to the somewhat higher tax rates on top earners that we had in the 1990’s. So does Warren Buffet. Is he a “socialist” too?

Deacon
Of course your 10 point step to communism and application in the US economy is ludicrous.

But I ask you a question.

Number 10 is free education for all children. Tell me, as you come from the most rabidly christian country in the world, why that is not a good idea?

Do you think is the right thing to educate a kid, who after all not had a say about what or where they were born, so that they fgrow up as productive memebrs of society.

Or should we only educate kids whos daddy's are rich?

Which one do you think is right...as a christian.

bradkz
Great post about what socialism means.

Most of the US public are pretty ignorant on this topic and immediately think that if you dare to actually talk about helping people who might need help from time to time, Stalin is just around the corner.

You say Western Europe is more socialist than you. Its a big place, most americans dont appear to see that.

Some countries are, some are not. but in the main I agree. I live in the UK, and we are not socialists. The Labour government was out of power for two decades until they ditched their socialist principles in the 1990s.

However I think most of you point the finger at our national health service as socialism. Which of course is totally ridiculous. It must be sensible to allow healthcare for all, it also benefits our capitalist economy.

Apart fro anything else its a christian thing to do, and Im stunned that in the most christian country in the world, you dont agree with that!

"remove Constitutional constraints"
Obama wants to REMOVE our "Constitutional constraints"

He has also said he believes it is a "flawed" document

Obama can not uphold the Presidential Oath of Office
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"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
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He should drop out NOW.

Rose
Thanks for the unintentionally funny post/rant.

I think you need to go look up what you uncles/dad were actually fighting for in WW2. It wasnt communism. It was the communists who turned the war in our favour, losing millions just in the Battle Of Stalingrad.

Still you keep ranting, even though your facts about this and Obama are straight out of Sesame Street.

What is the point in saying...
you cannot be half socialist? If America did not already have any of the 10 steps found in the Communist manifesto then we could proudly say we are not socialistic. Problem is we have strongly implemented at least half of the 10 steps and are working feverishly to allow the rest to become law. But don't take my word just look at the following and judge for yourself. God save America!

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools.

I'm going to "School" BRADKZ
Idiotic premise
Of COURSE there's a graduating scale of socialism. We're not as socialist as Western Europe, and they're not as socialist as the USSR was, but we are MORE socialist than, say, cavemen or Vikings. You want NO socialism, then quit paying taxes, move to your Montana mountain cabin, and hunker down. If you want to live in a SOCIETY (gee, that's where the word comes from!) where there are roads, a sewer system to take your WASTE away, police, and a military to defend us, then you are PART SOCIALIST.

What a moronic premise. You live in America, you pay taxes. You are PART SOCIALIST.

Bradkz, taxes are not socialism when they are used for necessary infrastructure and help "provide for the common defense" but it IS socialism when you tax one group and give that money to those who have not EARNED IT!! That my friend IS SOCIALISM and AMERICA is NOT a socialist country by ANY stretch of the imagination......YET.


The U.S. Constitution is inadequate?
The mere fact that Obama suggests such an idea scares the hell out of me as it suggests he may have undisclosed intentions for this cornerstone of our country. Our founders even stated that it would be inadequate for a people without God. It would seem that statement is proving itself true. One way to alter, taint, demolish the constitution is to call it a "living document." By doing so it stands to reason it should be "altered" to "reflect" our changing society. HOCKEY PUCKS! The constitution was a dead document the day it was signed and our founders intended it that way. Now we're being told capitalism has failed. No it hasn't. What's failed is government getting involved in a system that must purge itself periodically and it will do so more often and with greater severity the more it is manipulated with government intervention. Had the liberal democrates and community organizers not intimmidated lending institutions into giving loans to those who were in no position to get let alone repay these loans we would not have had a "mortgage meltdown". The silver lining here however is that the two drug dealers that lived in my otherwise "nice" neighborhood have been forced out!
And another point, I'm tired of the LIE being repeated of "eight years of failed Bush policies" What a crock! We were doing great for six years until two years ago congress was taken over by Dems. Pelosi, Reid, and Frank's do nothing congress! A congress with a 9 percent approval rating. This rating is down to blood relatives and close friends who were given jobs in politics. NOW GET BACK TO WORK! Millions of illegal immigrants on entitlement programs are depending on YOU!

Lotto
Won't the lotto winners be surprised when they find out that Obamessiah intends to take an even larger chunk of their unearned gains!

Whine and Cheese conservatives like George Will, who have their money safely accounted for, dismiss people like Sarah Palin. Blood isn't blue enough. No, Will would prefer to see an Obamessiah win, knowing that he can safely hide his accumulated wealth, while the rest of us lose the potential to join him. I'm sure that is his intent. No room at the Inn? No room at the Country Club!

As far as Socialists go: they ought to be forced to read Radical Chic. And then spend some time listening to AA studies professors - (Obamessiah's wife has a minor in that) - talk about the evil, privileged white men - (perhaps they're right, if they're speaking of George Will?) - and it is truly defining. This is the crowd who would sack cities, and would like to do what Robert Mugabe and South Africa's President have done: reduced those prosperous countries to shambles and shacks.

Tom Wolfe. "Radical Chic." Required reading for Socialist socialites.

Since so many of the comments...
...here say we are already socialist then maybe the term to use would more appropriarely be Marxist. And Obama is definitely a Marxist...he is selling us the rope (or is that HOPE) that he intends to hang us with.

Don Juan

'Subject: Blessed socialism for the bourgeoisie, brutal capitalism for the proletariat. That is Bushonomics in a nutshell.'

You should know what's in a nutshell.

Hugo Chavez and "Change."


We cannot forget that Marxist Obama's promise of "change" is exactly how his friend Chavez campaigned in Venezuela, and look what Venezuela is today!


Larry Gelbart said WHAAAT?

"... since capitalism has failed, why don't we try socialism?"

Exactly WHO determined that "capitalism failed?"

And, obviously, ol' Larry seems to ignore the FACT that if it wasn't for CAPITALISM, he wouldn't have had the opportunity to make a financial killing in his field...

And one more thing, ol' Larry, and his liberal cohorts obviously don't really have a clue as to what "socialism" really is all about.

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

~ Norman Thomas, leading American socialist, pacifist, and six-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America.

Since Feb. or March of this year, I have been consistently writing that pretty much everything that Obama is saying comes right out of the Marxist Handbook!!! What has taken everyone so long to catch on???

Regan's mental foot steps
Michael Reagan seems to be following in his father’s mental foot steps. When asked about school lunches the Gipper once famously said, “Ketchup is a vegetable.” Michael says: “There's an old saying that you can't be half-socialist any more than you can be half-pregnant; get knocked up with a socialist fetus and you'll have to deliver a full-born Marxist. There's nothing in between. Try it, you'll like it, and if you don't, as the lads in the Gestapo used to tell people, they had ways to make them like it.”

That’s crazy. Ever go to Sweden? They have socialized medicine but they are not a socialist country. And you don’t have to be a Marxist to be a socialist. And by the way, he just made up that “old saying” bit - I sure never heard it before. And the really big stupid part comes at the end when he talks about the Gestapo. That wasn’t socialism, dimwit – that was fascism. He’s just throwing around loaded words to further confuse the already muddled readers of Townhall. Typical right wing nonsense.

Here’s more: “Call Barack Obama's program socialism, however and he'll swear on a stack of Qurans it isn't. He calls it change. He says it's fairness, not Marxism. Oh? How does he explain the proven fact that he has been wallowing in a sty surrounded by fervent socialists and sharing in their swill for most of his life?”

Swearing on a stack of Qurans? Racist crap. What does Regan swear on, ketchup bottles? And what “proven fact?” Proven by whom? Where is this proof? “Wallowing in a sty surrounded by fervent socialists?” That’s a big statement. If it’s a fact, let’s see it. But it’s not a fact is it? Its juts more crap isn’t it?




Idiotic premise
Of COURSE there's a graduating scale of socialism. We're not as socialist as Western Europe, and they're not as socialist as the USSR was, but we are MORE socialist than, say, cavemen or Vikings. You want NO socialism, then quit paying taxes, move to your Montana mountain cabin, and hunker down. If you want to live in a SOCIETY (gee, that's where the word comes from!) where there are roads, a sewer system to take your WASTE away, police, and a military to defend us, then you are PART SOCIALIST.

What a moronic premise. You live in America, you pay taxes. You are PART SOCIALIST.


Michael Reagan:
Our country is ALREADY half socialist. The half that votes republican and bails out the banks, insurance companies, car companies and gives tax breaks to companies that make more money than any other business in the history of the world.

YOU support socialists more than Obama voters EVER will!


Socialism....
Didn't George W, Bush just help propose & negotiate the nationalization of U.S. banks?

Didn't John McCain just propose the federal government going around buying up bad debt from homeowners at risk of forclosure?

The REPUGNANCE of SOCIALISM
.
Two excellent articles on why

McCAIN / PALIN

IS THE RIGHT CHOICE FOR AMERICA:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/the_repugnance_of_so cialism.html

and

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/vote_for_national_su rvival.html
________________________

Additional thoughts:

This is B.O.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiB4EobS_ZM

This is B.O. “xxl” :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

This is B.O.’s “higher purpose” :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3IAjphhw6E

Hollywood Gotcha!
Okay. I finally figured it all out. We've been discussing Hollywood for a very long time, but Mr. Gelbart finally made me understand.
He once had a great show...maybe one of the greatest! Then, he decided to end the show and enjoy his yacht for awhile. Then he got bored and spent millions trying other projects. They failed too, and there was Mr. Gelbart, sitting by the pool, bored out of his mind.
So, he invited Susan and Tim, Whoopi and Babs, and Matt and Sean, along with many others, over for a party. Cnn, among other stations, filmed the whole thing. Some played the 'anchors' and asked everyone questions, then coached everyone on the best answers.
They all sat around and drank a bit too much, and decided they were the respected wealthy that could 'buy' a candidate to 'try' Socialism in this nation.
It's like a movie project for all of them...only different. Instead of 'We, the People' being their audience, 'We the People' could be the laboratory mice in their new trial movie they decided to call 'Change'.
What the heck? If it fails, they still have all their money and their yachts and their summer homes in Monaco. What have they got to lose?

Why do some among us
Want to be servants of the State?
I see several on this thread in praise of socialism.

They cannot really understand what it is they are wanting.
I wish there was a way we could separate all of us into two countries.
Let the socialists alone to serve the State and let us alone to be free of working for the State and work for ourselves

If you call Obama what he is
then you are labeled as a racist. Obama is a member of the leftist illuminati who is packaging Socialism as a middle class tax break for our country.

Your father was a socialist
Ronald Reagan was president of the Screen Actors Guild - a union. That makes Reagan a socialist by your logic. It was good enough for your father it must be good enough for America.

Can't be half socialist?
Mr. Reagan seems to be confusing socialism with totalitarianism. There are plenty of countries that are "half" socialist and are thriving. France, Germany, and most other Western and Northern European countries have socialistic tendencies (eg- nationalized health care). Yet, their citizens are still wealthy, tend to be healthier than Americans, have a better education system, and their citizens are not drowning in debt.

Totalitarianism and the erosion of our freedoms given to us by the Constitution is what we should be avoiding.

The Patriot act and other outrageous aspects of the war on terror are doing just that: eroding our freedoms.

BHO is a radical socialist
Socialist societies are comprised of misfits who can't survive unless they export their dysfunctionality abroad, and nurture it. Thus they are evil empires.

The Soviets wrote a textbook in the 1930s for its operatives in the US, teaching them to advance the Communist cause not by changing peoples' minds about Communism, but by creating Communists. It essentially wrote that creating them can occur by making society's institutions fail, and sowing disillusionment, distrust. This happens when the family erodes, borders with alien nations aren't guarded, those deserving of reward are passed over, students don't learn, doctors don't heal, politicians don't hear the people, judges abandon the precepts of society, laws are not enforced, and so on.

That's when people like Gelbart will begin suggesting socialism. It will just creep in like a disease infecting a weakened body.

BHO and his camp are all socialists, misfits, idiots or just plain ignorant. Some can change. Others can't. But very few would explain what the price a citizen must pay to
keep the country free. That wouldn't be cool. They carry the disease of socialism.

BHO spent his life around "people who wouldn't make him look like a sellout", and got more out of it than avoiding a black mark on his record. He got the revolutionary socialist mindset, strategy, and philisophy, and knows all the time tested socialist tactics and twisted thinking there is to know.

Today, only a socialist could use the phrase "redistributive change", or lament that the Constitution talks a lot about what the government must not do (infringe on peoples' rights) but doesn't talk about what the government must do (give people free things).

This difference between the
Constitution, and BHO's preferred version of it is the very thing that differentiates the priorities of free governments from the priorities of socialist governments.

shhhhhh
be quiet dont talk dont write ahh you moved i saw you your a racist this is sick if you say anything against obama your a racist just got done reading another blog on the SUPER SPADE hes telling people who are conducting polls that if they find people not for obama to ask them if their racist how do i find out what country i woke up in this morning is this some alternate reality mommie wake me up

MaryanneTheModel
""Sorry for the rant. >:(""

Rant on Maryanne. :o)

That's what these threads are for. :o)




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Arizona waking up.. moving blue?


Damn. Arizona is now only pink and now McCain has to use automatic calls to his own state. Damn!

Obama: 100% Marxist
He's smart enough not to come right out and admit it, but it's there between the lines.
Negative Liberty = Adam Smith
Positive Liberty = Marx
What does this have to do with Obama?
Glad you asked!
Obama on our constitution:
"...the Constitution is a document of negative liberties, says what the states can't do to you, says what the federal government can't do to you, but it doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf."

For most people, including those listening to that broadcast, the word NEGATIVE is synonymous with BAD. Obama knows this. If Obama knows anything, he knows how to choose words carefully. Although Obama is making other points, this information sheds more light on Obama's attitude toward our Constitution. Obama is a constitutional scholar, and if he wanted to make the Constitution and its "negative liberties" sound like the best thing since chicken noodle soup he would have chosen different words.

Take a glance (online) at the book "Negative Liberties" by Cyrus R. K. Patell. This book, perhaps coincidentally, was released three months before Obama made his comments. Do you think Patell admires the negative liberties of the U.S. Constitution? Do Patell and Obama have similar viewpoints? Wouldn't it be nice if someone had the courage to ask Obama about this and insist on a straight answer? Wouldn't it be nice if more voters actually cared?
Everyone please study this issue more.
http://rightklik.blogspot.com/

I'd say McCain's about half-socialist.
Obama, of course, is completely socialist and then some...

Reagan writes "It's socialism lite, and it can only evolve into socialism heavy."

What does that say about McCain's tendancy to view government as the solution, if only done properly? About his support for the socialist bailout?

GOP, if you want my vote, run someone who's much less than half-socialst.

Kick the ladder out
I have heard people try and describe how rich Hollywood types and others like Soros can be Socialist after feasting on capitalism. here is one.

It is easy to kick the ladder away when you are in the castle. Disabing the capitalist ladder is easy once you have finished using it. Never recognizing it since you were never smart enough to see it.

You can throw food to the peasants you left behind and then you can feel better. We all know from Michelle Obama ordering cavier and lobster that they go back to the opulance once their conscious has been cleared by supporting Obama who job it is to help those people that they left behind. Prime example. Oprah.

wow
This is one of the stupidest articles one can imagine. Gelbart is a humorist. to be taking him literally is to show a lack of understanding of how humor works.

But even stupider is this idea that there is no half socialism. One can take that as a definitional truth, but then Obama clearly is not at all socialist, since he is not fully socialist, and according to Reagan one can't be partially socialist.

Of course one can do some things that are consistent with socialism while not doing others. Every non-communist non-totalitarian country in the world does.

What is the point of trying to dumb down the debate like this.

There's just so far
the left can go before red-blooded, God-fearing, patriotic Americans say: ENOUGH!

Liberalism functions in a vacuum. It has no parameters, no boundaries - it just GOES non-stop, full speed ahead. There is no STOP button with the left. They will continue to go until We The People say: STOP!

Yes, we are MAD as Hell and we're NOT going to take it anymore!

ahhh excuse me
but what exactly have Bush & Republican Corporation been pushing down our throats. Oh, wait I forgot. It is not Socialism if it is for the wealthy -- only a bad word if it is for the poor.

Republican = Conservative
I don't think so.

Trickle down or Trickled on.

What do they call Socialism-Lite?
Progressivism. It's the ism between liberalism and socialism, and it's coming to a White House and Congress near you.

See my post at http://politicalonion.blogtownhall.com/2008/10/29/communis m%3C-socialism%3C-progressivism%3C-liberalism.thtml

Everyone hear Claudia from OR
Thank you very much Claudia for telling us what we can expect from a BO Hussein presidency (God forbid)!

Listen to the words of one who has actually LIVED in a socialist/communist society.

Foolish Americans that we are have NO idea of what it is actually like to live under tyranny. We've had it SO goo for SO long that we truly don't appreciate what we have ... until it is GONE.

VOTE MCCAIN/PALIN '08

GOD SAVE AMERICA!

I try not to use this word
but I absolutely HATE the God-damned Hollywood elites who make MILLIONS from the capitalistic free-market system of these United States of America and then turn around and tell the rest of us to live like paupers.

Same goes for elitists in ANY area (think Al Gore).

It makes my blood BOIL to hear these #%(!^& HYPOCRITS! They can all go to Hell!

Obama is FULL MARXIST
You're right, jackpine! We who watch the inner workings of our system as best we can and see our fellow citzens duped by another pretty face really ARE angry!

CHECK OUT THIS VIDEO AND SPREAD IT AROUND, PRONTO (it takes about 10 seconds before it breaks loose with the good stuff):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SWdlS9cOHw

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http://youngvotermedia2008.blogspot.com/

Apparently, some say, McCain has been "somewhat successful at painting at Obama as a socialist". Well gee, you know, when you only remember Ayres, Wright, Frank the Poet (the Marxist about whom obama writes lovingly) the tape in which Obama aspouses socialism, the physical copies of a left-wing newspaper that identifies Obama as a socialist party member, the fact that his father was a socialist, the fact that his mother was a socialist, the fact that his wife's thesis contained much pro-socialist material, the fact there is a tape of Obama admiring another marxist that the LA Times won't release, the fact that there is a tape of him telling Joe the Plumber that he wants to "spread the wealth around", how much of this totally absurd, Alan-Colmes style politically correct parsing of "gee, that really isn't conclusive evidence" garbage do we need before we get with the program and make a practical decision based of the evidence: Obama is at LEAST a socialist, and probably a Marxist!

Sorry for the rant. >:(


Communists want Democrats + Obama

"...Moreover, it is ready to strike the first and absolutely necessary blow in a few weeks, that is, to elect Barack Obama and bigger majorities in the House and Senate by a landslide..."

Author: Sam Webb, National Chair,
Communist Party USA
First published 09/27/2008 17:43



http://hisfacts.blogtownhall.com/2008/10/21/obamas_radical_ and_communist_alliances.thtml

I c an't believe...
you can write this about Obama, true enough though it is, and not indict Bush and McCain for the same evil. The Republican party is just as socialist and the Democratic party. That was amply demonstrated the last eight years. Don't assume Obama is going to get away with most of what he might want to get away with. A landslide election may well frighten Democrats; not embolden them to think they have a mandate. They played along with Republicans those eight years and now they are in the driver's seat.

I'm Mad, I'm REALLY MAD!
I posted this earlier on another thread, but it bears repeating.

I'm Mad, I'm REALLY MAD!


You may have seen the guy on tv at a recent McCain rally saying those words.

He gave voice to what millions of Americans feel this year.

We're mad as hell.

We are sick of seeing a biased media ignore glaring incidents from Obama's past while dredging up anything they can find to tear down McCain.

We are tired of an attack dog media destroying the life of a private citizen, simply because he asked a question that embarassed their anointed one.

We are mad because Obama's friend Barney frank wants to gut our military, and cut defense spending by 25%, while spending that on a "Department of PEACE" (Can you say "Thought Police"??)

We are mad as hell at how the media has gone above and beyond to Rip apart Sarah Palin, while Joe the Gaffe Machine is just "Joe being Joe".

We're mad as hell because Obama is stapling a big target on the backs of every small businessman(and woman) in the country.

We're Pisssed off because Obama wants to take our hard earned money to pay off lazy pukes wearing 2 week old jammies in mommy's basement. (This one was for all the astroturfers)

We are sick and tired of the phreaks on the left trying to take over our country.

We are mad as hell and we're not gonna take it anymore!

The SILENT MAJORITY Will SPEAK on Nov 4.


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Claudia/OR
It makes two of us! To understand how much potential damage BHO will do to this great nation, you need to experience a life in the society which he is preaching about. The signs of oppression are all over: harassing Joe the Plumber, “punishing” stations for asking them “wrong” questions, harassing opponents (threat to sue NRA for ads which just have his Majesty talking expressing his opinion about guns). He is a typical commie - hypocrite, who has different standards one - for “regular” people and another one - for his royal persona. He is an Elitist who believes that masses can be bought by cheap promises of hand outs. Hi is a crook and surrounds himself with dirty and shady personalities. You need to be totally blind, def and ignorant to disregard the facts.
Vote for USA! Vote for McCain/Palin!

Another homerun for Mr. Reagan
Thank you, Michael, for yet another fabulous column.
This country needs a new Reagan to come and wipe the smirks off the likes of Pelosi, Frank, Dodd, AND Obama. The country I loved during your father's eight years is gone and I truly miss it.

Socialism? Just ask us who have escaped
Every country where socialism has taken root, the first notion to attract and entice the masses,is this idea about 'redistribution of wealth'. It is the lie, that quickly reaches to the grass-roots of any society that toys with the ideology of socialism. This 'redistribution' which all socialists fervently preach, is to take everyone's wealth, no matter how meager it may be, and redistribute it in the pockets of the few who will govern ALL aspects of our lives. Make no mistake about this, there are no INDIVIDUAL rights under a socialist form of government. There is no PURSUIT of happiness, because ALL will be equally miserable; there is no INALINABLE rights, because the GOV becomes the administer of limited rights. I lived under socialism and later under communism. There is only one progression under such system: from a person with rights