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Thursday, July 03, 2008
Michael Reagan :: Townhall.com Columnist
It's Time for Rage
by Michael Reagan
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Americans are worried. Americans are angry. Soaring gas prices are seriously crippling our economy and hitting us where it hurts the most -- in our pockets.

We have a right to be angry, but anger is no longer enough. It’s time for rage -- good, old American rage aimed at those elitist Democrats who prefer to see the folks beggared by soaring fuel prices rather than take the action this very real economic crisis demands.

Drill.

We know that the law of supply and demand is what’s causing gas prices to soar, but merely knowing the ultimate cause of the crisis is not enough. We need to know why the most obvious remedy -- one that promises to increase supply -- is being studiously avoided by the powers that be, Democrats in Congress.

Once Americans become aware of that reason, get out of the way because they will be at the gates of Capitol Hill armed with pitchforks and scythes like enraged villagers marching on Dracula’s castle, determined do wreak vengeance on the very people who refuse to act in the way current circumstances clearly demand.

The steady increase in gas prices can be stopped dead in its tracks, and rolled back to less onerous levels literally overnight. The Democrats in Congress have in their hands the magic wand they could easily wave, but they arrogantly refuse to use it. And so we continue to pay the price for their refusal to help their fellow Americans when they have the power to do so.

All they need to do is lift all moratoria and restrictions on domestic, offshore and Alaskan drilling for oil. That’s all. A quick wave of that magic wand is all that’s needed. But they will not act, and for that they must be made aware that they will pay a steep price at the polls for their refusal to act when action is desperately needed.

Make no mistake about it, the oh-so-liberal Democrats in the House and Senate, in the pockets of the super-rich environmentalists who scarcely conceal their contempt for their fellow humans and won’t be happy until every automobile is driven from America’s roads and highways, simply will not come to our aid.

As Marie-Antoinette is said to have remarked about her starving subjects who were demanding bread, “Let then eat cake,” our elected Democratic members of Congress are in effect saying of Americans, “Let them ride bikes.”

In their contemptuous sophistry their spokesmen sneer that opening the gates to domestic and offshore drilling would not yield results for 10 years. That excuse for inaction is insultingly deceptive. While it will take years to see our domestic supply of petroleum begin to take up the slack, the very declaration that the floodgates will be opened and America is on he way to independence from foreign oil will strike fear into the hearts of OPEC and the speculators who have driven the price of oil skyward.

Their reaction would be instantaneous -- they would increase production to the fullest extent possible, motivated by the knowledge that their stranglehold on supply faces its eventual demise, and gas prices at the pump would fall.

As economist Lawrence Kudlow wrote in his column, “An America First Energy Plan,” “As soon as you say, ‘End the drilling moratoriums,’ it is precisely those traders who will start selling oil contracts -- long before the first offshore oil barrels are delivered to market. If they see presidential leadership on oil and shale drilling, they will rapidly turn a bull market into a bear market.”

A partial answer to our immediate problem is at hand. The steady increase in pump prices can be halted and prices somewhat rolled back to a more acceptable level. Yet those Democrats who the people elected to Congress are turning their backs on the voters who sent them to Washington and coldly refusing to lift a finger to help the American people, preferring instead to lay the blame for the problem on big oil, speculators and every place but where it belongs. On themselves.

If that doesn’t enrage you, nothing will.

Payback time comes in November. Drive them out of office and elect people who will do what needs to be done. Drill, Drill, Drill!

Are you listening, John McCain?

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About The Author
Michael Reagan, the eldest son of Ronald Reagan, is heard daily by over 5 million listeners via his nationally syndicated talk radio program, “The Michael Reagan Show.”
Immediate Solutions
"A partial answer to our immediate problem is at hand."

Two of them, actually:

1. Reduce the national speed limit to 55, and enforce it vigorously. That immediately has the same effect as opening up and bringing to maximum production 2 1/2 ANWRs, with no lead time.

2. Balance the Federal Budget. At least half of the rise in the cost of gasoline is the weakness of the dollar, because oil is valued in dollars. That's why we're the ones suffering, and the rest of the world is seeing much less of an increase.

You overestimate the effect on the world market of additional drilling in the US. Our additional production of oil would be only a pimple on the world's production, a few percent.

Right about everything EXCEPT...
"The steady increase in gas prices can be stopped dead in its tracks, and rolled back to less onerous levels literally overnight."

WRONG!!! The only thing that will roll back prices is a deep, GLOBAL recession and our entire government seems determined to bring that about. Let's drill here and now, call off the lawyers and get the government out of the way on alternative energy too. This may not roll back prices but it WILL greatly slow it down and stabilize prices. Could we drop the "lower prices" lie please? The truth is so compelling and should be good enough.

Another Possible Solution
Personally, I believe that the gasoline issue is becoming more and more a national security issue. Its' crippling effect upon the nation's economy is becoming more self-evident everyday. So, in this light, anyone legislator that contributes to putting our national security at risk, needs to be immediately censured or impeached from office.



I agree...
First, I doubt that congress will act when they can get away with blaming everything on George Bush - Sooo, we need to toss the bunch of them out!!! I mean both the liberal democrats as well as the RINOs that will not vote for more oil drilling on US territory. Once the supply of oil is expected to increase, the speculators will lose most of the momentum that is driving the costs of oil contracts up.

Second, we need to get back into the business of building nuclear power plants.

Third, we need to be offering tax credits for people that build more energy efficient homes and businesses as well as people that invest in improving the energy efficiency of existing homes & businesses. At the same time tax incentives could be evaluated for passive solar construction and wind energy nvestment - in areas where it makes sense.

Fourth, we need to be pushing ahead on the long range (20 - 40 year time horizon) energy technologies such as fusion, Hydrogen powered vehicles, natural gas from bio-waste, etc.

What can we do?
(short of picking up guns and taking back our country)

Rage AND Insanity
On Glen Beck, Governor Ed Renell's suggested we check our tire pressure. There you go.

Our govt squeezes every nickel out of us anyway that suits them - and yet - they do absolutely nothing while our money flows to OPEC.

It's past time to do something.

Who thought McCain was the answer?

What can we do?
Vote for anybody who is NOT an incumbent.... pass along......

Mr. President
Didn't Clinton sign an Exec. Order to lock-up Anwar?

Couldn't Bush to the same to reverse that disaster? It would redeem him in my eyes.

A time for Rage/
Mike, your right on the target with this. It is time for rage in America.
Rage over high prices in gas, needs to be direct and to the point towards the real culprits of it.
Investors in futures trading, who manipulate the costs and effects of trading. Foreigners as well American speculators that seek to make a buck on the woos of another.
Facts are, America's economy is solid, but lacking direction. Our Dollar is stronger than we are led to believe, for if we go under they go under as well, so it will rebound.
We ARE BEING FINANCIALLY BLACK MAILED INTO DOING SOMETHING WE NEED NOT DO. And we can beat them if we stop fighting each other and do what we really need to do.
I use trucks and a SUV in my work. Does a doctor need one, or a RN. How about that young sweet thing going to work at Applebees.
So many people drive hype instead of what they really need. We have created with advertising to hype your not anyone if you do not drive a 7 MPG, big as a house Truck with dullies and a fifth wheel in the bed to drop the kids off at soccer practice. Or a SUV built to carry troops into combat when you go to the store. Why?
Because Carlos and other CA bloggers want you to be hip, drive that bruiser cruiser homie, you real jock in that box.
CA should slide quietly into the Pacific and be quiet. You have no answers just more issues to give. Lived there man, San Pedro Harbour.
What angers me the most, is the thing most of you want, drilling for more oil. Will only forstall the issue for a few years.
Then we are right back argueing again about what to do.
Reduce or consumption of it. Reduce the need and waste of it. Build better and thriftier.
Build green in to mean machines, and do away with speculators in ergonomic futures like grains, meats, oil, water and gold, etc., etc.

The American Warrior
The American Warrior is someone who is walking the hero's path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness.

The American Warrior is someone who frightens many people because they live in denial of reality, the American Warrior reminds those people that violence exists in the world.

The American Warrior has the capacity for violence towards those who threaten America and the American way of life.

The American Warrior is a constant reminder that there are terrorists in the land and those that wish to destroy America are already here on American soil.

The American Warrior on September 11, 2001, rushed towards the danger instead of fleeing from it, intent on defending and helping those American citizens in danger. Many American Warriors gave their lives that day and many more were willing to give the ultimate sacrifice for America and its citizens.

Most Americans are glad that they were not on the planes that crashed into the WTC and the Pentagon - the American Warrior wished they had been on those planes because they might have made a difference.

American Warriors were on United Airlines Flight 93 and defended unto death America and its citizens with the cry "lets roll".

The American Warrior waits for the day that they have lived for and trained for their entire life - to defend until death, America and its citizens.

"There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men." - Edmund Burke

This 4th of July, I salute the American Warrior, both living and dead. Men and women who serve in the Armed Forces, Police Forces, Fire Departments and ordinary civilians who rush forward to our defense instead of running from danger.

The American Warrior who wishes no harm to America - God Bless You!

The American Patriot
The American Patriot to me is one who loves their Country and wish America no harm for any reason.

The American Patriot is male, female and children of every nationality, race, ethnic background and religion who wish America no harm for any reason.

The American Patriot are not a particular people from a particular place. They are the embodiment of the human spirit of freedom who wish America no harm.

The American Patriot ia proud of their flag and the Statue of Liberty which "welcomes your tired and your poor, the wretched refuse of your teeming shores, the homeless, tempest tossed" and wishes America no harm.

The American Patriot takes pride in the greatest Warriors in the history of man - the American Soldier and wish America no harm.

The American Patriot looks at their sons and daughters in uniform with tears in their hearts and pride on their faces as their children goes off to defend the greatest country ever on this planet and wish America no harm.

The spouse and children of the American Patriot with anxiety in their hearts and faces shining with pride watch as their American Warrior leaves to defend America.

The American Patriot lives in the most prosperous land in the history of the world.

The root of that prosperity can be found in the Declaration of Independence, which recognizes the God given right of each person to the pursuit of happiness and the right to self determination and wish America no harm.

The American Patriot does not want to weaken America in dangerous times for political reasons.

The American Patriot does not put ideology first and America second to harm it in hopes it will learn a 'lesson'.

God Bless America and its' Patriots!

Blah blah blah,
Not one of you Oh give me a fix morons have an idea. If any of you had an original thought, your heads would collapse like an egg from the loss of vaccumn you needed to keep it formed.
Drilling in the ANWR, or reducing the speed limit to 55 again grandpa Munck suggests or a reversal of Executive order Rightwingedmom wants.
Right wingers are just like leftwingers only in opposition. Both are zealot fruit cakes.

Retired Geek
What very profound stuff there guy!

Wow now I have to take back all those mean things I thought of you, well at least a few of them anyway.
Well put and a Veterans Kudzu to you my fellow blogger. Have a safe and wonderful Fourth.

Typical leftista Munick mentality...

band aids to stop a gushing wound. Won't work!

Michael is right... that ol' "supply and demand" thing.... Economics 101... (second week, as I recall!)

The mere announcement that we are going to start drilling will drop the prices somewhat.

Actually drilling will lower the prices even more.

Using our own oil will bring things back to normal.


The thing is, all the oil that the Saudis are sitting on is only worth what they can sell it for. If the US has our own, and is no longer in need to Saudi oil, then the Saudis are just sitting on oil...

Get it? DRILL!

Oback Arama and Drilling for Oil
My fellow American comrades. Frankly, I am disapointed that the price of gasoline has risen as rapidly as it has. I would have preferred a more gradual increase to current levels. I support an increase in price to the price paid in European countries. That will constrict demand so that people will switch to driving golf carts to work. Yes, it's true that high gas prices will hurt the middle class the most, but it's time they learned that the world is sick and tired of our using so much energy and they just need to get over it. Yes, I know that Democrat energy policies are destroying the auto industry and the trucking industry and the US economy in general. I am counting on the fact that the unions will still support me and those boz.. irr... aaah workers will still vote for me and when they do, I will get new and better and more ethical jobs for them in green industries that they will love.

The right is so ignorant about the laws of supply and demand. Just because you increase supply by drilling doesn't mean that prices will come down, at least that's what my advisors keep telling me, not to mention the Democrat brain trust in the Congress and the Senate. When you elect me to be your president, I implement sound Democrat laws of supply and demand and confiscate obscene profits from our evil domestic oil companies. Long term I will encourage local officials to develop and implement a central control mechanism to manage and set the thermostat settings of all residential and business property within 3 years.

You can have hope that I will change these things and others to bring us to policies that will make us feel good about ourselves. Riding in golf carts is change that works for me and change that I can use. Can you use that kind of hope and change? Yes we can! Yes we can! Yes we can! That's why I'm running for president.

I'm Oback Arama and I approved this message.

Butcher 7:06 PM EST
"If any of you had an original thought"

Your original thought seems to be "RAGE;" it's hard to see how that solves anything. I've suggested the 55 mph speed limit, balancing the budget, and elsewhere use of geothermal HVAC, thin-film photovoltaics, forth-generation or pebble-bed nuclear reactors, the SuperGrid energy pipeline, solar-power satellites launched using a space elevator, and an SPS at the Earth-Sun L2 point. Some of those are a bit flaky or futuristic, but they have a better chance at working than RAGE.

The REAL issue is, the dumbos are

going to fight any and all drilling....

And the real reason... high on the liberal agenda is "Nationalizing" the oil companies...

Although ol' Maxine Waters stopped short of actually using that word, "Nationalizing", she let that cat out of the bag during the Congressional Hearings a few weeks ago with the oil execs.

And let us not forget that this "gas crisis" is not new. The dumbos have been working toward this for the past 38-40 YEARS! It's a dream come true for them...

Anne 7:15 PM EST
"band aids to stop a gushing wound. Won't work!"

Why not? Can you articulate a cogent argument against my suggestions?

$4/gal gasoline isn't a gushing wound; it's a scratch, completely invisible to the uppers, an inconvenience to most of us, and a disaster to only a few. $10/gal will be a gushing wound, and we won't see that for a couple of years.

Rage against the money machine
You want to stop the rise in the cost of gasoline overnight?

GET THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO STOP THE GROWTH OF THE MONEY SUPPLY. NOW. The growth in the money supply should be limited to the growth in goods and services. No more rebate checks, no more deficit spending, no more Federal Reserve intervention, and finally, start disallowing sovereign wealth funds to invest in U.S. markets (most of the increase in the money supply is in the form of M3). This rise in gas prices is driven by inflation, folks. Believe it!

Is there not one of you that understands this? Has everyone in the entire country been beaten by the stupid stick? EVERYONE outside of this country knows what is going on, but it is like Americans are just too obtuse to grasp it. This is classical economics, for crying out loud! I understand the need to drill for our long-range supply. I get it, and I am for it. But you are paying $4.09 a gallon now. What will it take to make you understand that the supply and demand of money is what is driving this, not the supply and demand of oil?

ENERGY BILLS LINED UP
My congressman, Rob Bishop, has a bill, and probably many more have bills for presentation. I e-mailed him today to encourage him to line up interviews with media to inform the American people about his bill if Nancy Pelosi blocks it from a vote. We need the names of all those wanting to prolong the punishment upon the American people. Who else wants our economy to turf it besides liberals, environmentalists, and our enemies?

Munick: The gushing wound is the PRICE

of gas! Driving 55MPH is NOT going to fix that problem! 55MPH is nothing more than a "feel good" stop gap measure...

It's NOT rocket science! It's just logic!

But here are another little tid bit of information......

While the limited libs claim that even IF we started drilling in ANWAR today, it would be ten years... yup, TEN YEARS before we saw the oil.

Just more liberal lies... LIES... LIES... LIES.

The EXPERTS, those who really know what they're talking about, unlike the lunatic libs, say that it would be a matter of one or two years for the oil in ANWAR to reach us, and even less for off shore and continental drilling.





A magic wand. yeah, right.
Reagan assumes drilling in all the current off-limits areas in the US make will significantly reduce the global demand for oil, like waiving a "magic wand". Without restricting oil from these new sources from the vast global market, his arguments seem spurious, and I don't see how it will make any big difference.

However, announcing a mega-project to start obtaining oil from our shale deposits would probably do the magic wand trick, though.

Allowing drilling is not enough.
We must also eliminate the countless permits, environmental impact studies, and lawsuits that stand in the way and make the process take far longer than it would if it were just a matter of drilling. Also, Wendy makes the excellent point that "the supply and demand of money is what is driving this, not the supply and demand of oil." Personally, I would re-word that to read "...not JUST the supply and demand of oil," but I agree that the money thing is the main thing.

"Americans are worried
...Americans are angry."

Yes, and above all very stupid. The moron majority is at a hugely important crossroads. Here's why: If the democraps oppose domestic drilling and STILL get congressional majority, they know the "majority" is on all fours. Nothing can stop them from openly instituting socialism and put themselves in perpetual control.

From that point on the huge corruption machine called government will drop all pretenses. What they don't take from you in taxes you'll need to pay in bribes so they'll give you license to have a child and coupons to get milk which will be free if you can find it. Hugo Chavez will be our best friend and adviser. . .

If close to election the mood of the voteurs turns against the devilcrats they'll simply change their tune. Obaminable Change is in the air, why not just reverse yourself, you're merely showing an understanding of the issues, the voteurs will luvya.

Blech.


Bob,
I can agree that the budget as well as the deficit need to be addressed pronto. However, for you to KNOW how much oil exists out there is only speculation and your arguments do not address the problem of our dependence on foreign oil. All avenues, including (domestic) drilling, nuclear, shale, natural gas and coal should be implemented to reduce or eliminate that dependence.

Mr. Reagan...
You're right that it's time for rage, but what can the average Joe do other than sign Newt's petition and write his elected officials? I say it's time for organized protests in every major city in the country. Why don't you, Rush, Hannity, etc. start organizing them? Protesting in the streets is the only way we'll ever get the attention of Congress. Better to have organized protests now than spontaneous riots later.

Anne 8:05 PM EST
"The gushing wound is the PRICE of gas! Driving 55MPH is NOT going to fix that problem! 55MPH is nothing more than a "feel good" stop gap measure..."

Driving 55 instead of 70 reduces your gasoline usage by 20%. You'll spend $3.20 to go the distance that that $4.00 gallon of gas used to take you. Also the demand for gasoline will go down and, according to Reagan's faux economics above, the price of gas will also go down. So maybe you'll be down to $2.50 to go the $4.00 distance. That's close to what gasoline has been in constant dollars since WWII.

"While the limited libs claim that even IF we started drilling in ANWAR today, it would be ten years... yup, TEN YEARS before we saw the oil."

I don't know about that; I've never opposed the drilling in ANWR, because I know it's going to happen eventually. The price will eventually rise enough, maybe $200/barrel later this year or $500/barrel in ten years, that any opposition will be overcome. Also, I've seen it, loved it, and at my age am unlikely to go back. HOWEVER, you aren't arguing against my two points with this stuff about ANWR, but rather trying to change the subject.

Btw, EVERYTHING INVOLVING OIL is a "stop-gap measure." We're going to run out of it, no matter what.

The enemies within
The party of the Democrats are a collective mind in opposition to all fossil fuel development.

Just as with the line item veto, repeal of the capital gain taxes on property devolution and high frontier technology, oil is an anathema to them.

The Democratic leadership in the House and Senate would bankrupt the little person eking out a living as a painting contractor, pool man, or taxi driver in order to force their wild-eyed hope of alternative energy on the combustion engine.

Who are we appealing to? A class of Americans that detest the notion of the mobile society and the individual.

Jack Kerouac's postulate on the American Dream being, "the wide open road and a full tank of gas" has no adherents in the Palosi, Reid, Durbin cadres.

What does the faux green left fear? Drilling? Potential for disaster? Disaster is here now. It's called recession, loss of small jobs, dependence on foreign flow.

The technology exists to suck out and extract every drop of oil product and do it while attentive to the beauty of our land and coasts.

Now, many will profit from such increased flow. share holders, those that work in the patch, oil's executives, industries that create the hardware, union members that create, crate, and cart the utensils of exploration, geologists, engineers, marine scientists, technicians, welders and the little income earners doing the trades they are getting squeezed out of today because of the price of fuel.

So, there's the rub. The Democrats and faux greens hate profit and growth. They want the collective sub-reducto of our society. A land where all are more dependent on all rather than the individual whistling to work in a boom town nation.

Unfortunately, they are our neighbors and our enemies. Perhaps we can avoid the consequence of their self-contempt and fear of sustained growth. If not, we might as well turn off the lights before they order us to do so.

Chris 8:43 PM EST
"However, for you to KNOW how much oil exists out there is only speculation and your arguments do not address the problem of our dependence on foreign oil."

I'm not sure what I've said that you're arguing with. I haven't speculated about how much oil exists, let alone claimed to KNOW how much. Obviously my suggestion that we strengthen the dollar does nothing about foreign oil dependence, but the lower speed limit does, reducing that dependence by exactly the amount of oil that it saves.

I would argue with your assumption that the only way to reduce our importing of oil is to replace it with domestic; we can also lower it BY USING LESS.

Now You're Talking
I posted a comment to the article by Congressman John Boehner regarding the Republican effort to get Congress off the dime an onto the drilling field. Michael Reagan affirms my attitude and hopefully yours as well.

From an earlier post:

The Democrat policy on domestic oil is like telling a seriously malnourished person that they cannot take advantage of the ample food supply in their pantry. Extreme pressure must now be brought to bear on Congress to explain in detail, just why they are holding our ample oil resources hostage.

Simply touting environmental concerns won't cut it. Unless they can show with high probability that some devastating calamity will befall us, that excuse is out. Ditto the time frame hoax. If it is going to take so damn long to get the oil, what are we waiting for?

Likewise, alternative sources is a pig in a poke. It will take three to five times as long to perfect even one alternate source and even then there is no understanding of what it will cost the consumer.

Times up! Congress is not a dictatorship, they have an obligation to the people and the people won't wait much longer for them to act. Anarchy is an ugly thing.

End post.

Thank you Mr. Reagan, I needed that.

Drilling won't reduce the global
demand, but it will show the world we are SERIOUS about energy and not just dupes.

Drill drill Drill drill

There's oil off NJ. It was drilled until the 1960s. My esteemed sens. have sworn never to drill for oil there now, because they ride in limos and don't care what the price of gas is. They should get out and walk.

Go for shale oil
coal tar oil
coal gasification
coal,coal, coal
nuclear
natural gas
natural gas storage
expand refining capacity
build new refineries
use wind power, solar, conservation, and biofuels,
but we will run on oil for another century, and we have to stop importing 62% of it mostly from thugs who hate us and use OUR money to support terrorists who want to annihilate us.

GET REAL PEOPLE. DRILL DRILL DRILL

Explain this then
Butcher writes: 6:59 PM EST

Facts are, America's economy is solid, but lacking direction. Our Dollar is stronger than we are led to believe, for if we go under they go under as well, so it will rebound.
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You won't see this repeated in U.S. media outlets, but Europe is running scared of an impending financial disaster.

Barclays Capital, the Royal Bank of Scotland and Fortis are pulling away from the U.S. financial markets. The withdrawal of funds from New York institutions has not been reported, but amounts to at least a mini-run on the banks involved, similar to what happened to Bear Stearns in March; the run may be expanding.


These major financial institutions in Europe are predicting imminent, major economic and market meltdowns.

Fortis expects a complete collapse of the US financial markets within a few days to weeks. That explains, according to Fortis, the series of interventions of last Thursday to retrieve € 8 billion.


more:
http://www.augustreview.com/news_commentary/global_banking/ imminent_financial_crisis?_2008070394/

soem facts
You see, folks, under America's energy policies, oil belongs to the
> > oil companies, not the American people. All the oil companies that
> > are pressing to drill in ANWR are really international companies, like
> > British BP, Dutch Shell, French Total, and even Exxon and Chevron--the
> > same companies recently given no-bid contracts to produce Iraq's oil.
> > A Chevron CEO recently confessed on television that 75 percent of his
> > company's revenues and profits comes from overseas. The United
> > States, with the collaping dollar, is not their favorite customer
> > right now.


> > When those companies find oil, it all goes into an international pool
> > for the benefit of customers all over the world. Oil is fungible; it
> > goes to the country willing to pay the highest price. If China needs
> > more oil, Americans must pay more for their oil, even if they
> > sacrificed part of America to produce it. How many Americans
> > remembers when the oil companies were shipping Alaskan oil to Japan
> > from California ports while some Californians couldn't buy fuel at any
> > price because none was available?


> > It's a global market. And the United States citizens have been sold
> > on globalism. Open markets, open borders, no tariffs or duties, no
> > regulations, free trade, liberal currency exchange, The economy of the
> > United States must take second billing to the global economy. And if
> > the world needs oil, then the United States has not right to protect
> > its wildlife areas when it might benefit the world. After all, the
> > United States will get its 25 percent, what more can one ask? Is that
> > treason?



Yes it is time for rage!
At Republicans for spending money like it was going out of style, in collusion with Democrats, of course, and inflating the currency to pay for it all. We don't have an oil crisis. We have a dollar crisis.

In Total Agreement, Michael
All I have to say is vote the Dems out. We put them there hoping they would actually do something. DO SOMETHING? They have turned their backs on the average American who cannot afford their schemes.

They fly in their personal jets, and then tell us that we have to cut back and drive a car that gets "35 to 40 miles per gallon". Well, that is very nice, but I cannot afford "THAT" car. I'm sorry, but nobody is going to tell me what to drive.

Watch out dems, you will not hold your seats in office if you choose to stiff the American people.

profits
Vonryan did you catch the Fox story a day or so ago that confirmed what I've been suspecting for some time. Our elected king and queenlets are invested in some of the companies they are
going after. John Kerry, Cohen, Klein, Maloney
are just a few of our dishonorables that are refusing to do anything about our domestic energy. BECAAAAAUSE the higher the price for a barrel of oil, the fatter their portfolios get.
Can anyone say hypocrites and crooks???

Bob Munck
Drive 55 to save gas?? Sure, maybe if you're driving across Montana, but most people on their daily commute are lucky to get up to 35. Most of the time they're just idling on the freeway. Or do you think people in LA, Seattle, and Atlanta are all zipping along at 70 mph during rush hour (or any hour, for that matter)?

As for your gloom and doom "peak oil" mantra ("we're going to run out of it, no matter what"), that's just another unproven theory, like man-made global warming. The abiotic theory of oil explains many things that the fossil fuel theory does not. True, it's also an unproven theory, but huge new deposits of oil are being found every day at depths that the fossil fuel theory says is not possible. At any rate, if something is unproven, it shouldn't be presented as fact.

rightwingmom
Actually, the President cannot reverse this by Executive Order because after Clinton did his "duty" the Congress voted to curtail ALL drilling. It is now law.

The stake in Dracula's heart...
Democrats think most Americans are stupid enough to believe their absurd rationales on why drilling won't solve our energy problems. Well, like Michael Reagan says, ordinary Americans are witnessing Democrats say no no no to drilling. Dems are starting to sound like a Dr. Seuss book:

We can't drill here,
we can't drill there,
we can't drill anywhere --
not with a bear,
not with a hare,
not in your lair
and not in your hair,
we can not,
should not,
we do not dare!

And ordinary Americans will begin to see Dems as a blood sucking a-holes and shriek at them to let the USA start drilling like there's NO TOMORROW!! If not, it will be an electoral stake in the heart for the Dems in November.


So...
why didn't the Republicans do anything about this when they controlled Congress? Oh yeah, I forgot, the Republicans did absolutely nothing but kowtow to Bush while they controlled Congress. That's why nothing got done.

I am a liberal and an environmentalist and I am not opposed to drilling but Michael is lying again, as he always does. Does the fact that the DOE states that drilling in ANWR or the OCR will have less than a $1 impact on the cost of a barrel of oil matter to this discussion at all? Or that much of the ANWR reserves are not recoverable? Drilling there will not open any kind of "floodgates", as much as Reagan and others dream that it would. The fact that every Republican in Congress is aware of this and still chooses to lie about the benefits of drilling should cause people to question everything that they hear. But I know that Repubs tend to just believe what they are told and appreciate authoritarianism. You get what you deserve.

for Butcher
Butcher claims: "....reducing the speed limit to 55 again grandpa Munck suggests....Right wingers are just like leftwingers only in opposition...."

I agree with you that the 55 mph speed limit won't achieve the benefits Bob Munck is hoping for, because today's cars are more aerodynamic to reduce wind resistance anyway. (Each model of car does have an ideal speed above which fuel economy declines sharply, but 55 mph is not necessarily it. Perhaps that "Recommended max speed" be posted on the sticker of each new car along with its EPA mileage numbers?)

But Bob Munck as a "rightwinger"??? Ho-ho-ho, that's a real knee-slapper.

What Detroit should do
The problem is that Detroit (and just about everybody else) builds cars for a fantasy market: Zooming down the highway at 70 mph.

In reality, most of my driving is at SLOW speed. Where I live in the Northeast, every highway is bumper-to-bumper and crawling at rush hour. Bob Munck doesn't have to worry about my driving 55 mph. I'm lucky if I can exceed 45 mph before I hit yet more congestion. I can take side streets at 35 mph.

Some of the newest model hybrid cars will actually turn off the engine when you car is not moving. For those of us who get stuck in traffic, or are idling at toll booth lines and so on, that's a big fuel saving. Cars that are efficient in bumper-to-bumper traffic are a bigger win than cars that are efficient at 55 mph or faster.


Marinero 10:16 PM EST
"Or do you think people in LA, Seattle, and Atlanta are all zipping along at 70 mph during rush hour (or any hour, for that matter)?"

I know for certain that people are zipping around the Beltway or on I-66 and I-95 at 70+ during rush hour. Sure, a lot of the time they're also doing 10 or stopped dead, but when they're moving they're moving FAST. The estimates for total savings -- 10% of total gasoline usage -- are based on how much of the time people are currently driving faster than 55, and by how much; time sitting in a traffic jam wasn't part of that.

Unfortunately, they're also based on the amount of time that long-haul truckers are going over 55. I say "unfortunately" because those guys are paid on a per-mile basis, and a pitifully tiny amount at that. Having to go 55 is going to absolutely hammer their income, and I don't really know how to compensate for that. All I can suggest is that the drivers need to organize some serious job actions -- strikes, slowdowns, maybe driving n-abreast on n-lane roads at 55 -- to bring their per-mile rates up.

"The abiotic theory of oil explains many things that the fossil fuel theory does not."

Yeah, and there are a bunch of people organizing prayers at gas pumps for lower prices. The two are equally likely to produce results. Abiotic oil is yet another fairy tale of the right-wing lunatic fringe, like intelligent design and YEC.

It ain't just oil, folks
When I shop at the supermarket, I'm stunned at the soaring prices of fresh produce, breads and grains, etc.

Also, the price of gold has tripled in the last 8 years. The price of copper has risen so much that homes are being broken into and burglarized, not for their electronic gadgets, but for their copper plumbing.

That sounds like the problem is more general than just oil. The dollar-denominated price of most commodities has been rising sharply.

Gold can be taken as the most neutral measure of value, since unlike food it doesn't rot, and unlike oil it doesn't get burned up.

The fact that the dollar price of gold has tripled in the last 8 years, tells you how low the dollar's purchasing power has sunk. And oil is denominated in dollars on most world markets.

And THAT, not the declining supply of oil, is why oil costs so much--in dollars. As an experiment, take a spreadsheet and calculate how much gasoline would have cost you in Swiss Francs instead of dollars, these last 8 years, based on the franc-dollar exchange rates over that time period.

So in the meantime, if you want to stay ahead of the game, here's a simple solution: Open an account in a Swiss bank, convert your money to Swiss Francs and keep your nest egg there.


Bob Munck
Actually, Bob, the abiotic theory of oil was developed by your soulmates, the Soviets. It makes sense, because so much oil is being found at such great depths, that the dinosaurs and primeval forests could not have sunk that low (unlike Al Gore). So you can dismiss the evidence like a good little programmed envirozombie, or you can give a convincing argument to refute it.

bob munck
You, sir, are admittedly a walking, talking argument against intelligent design, since it's hard to fathom how a Loving, Intelligent God could create someone as dumb and incapable of basic logic and reason as yourself.

But it's likely that He created people like you so the rest of us normal, thinking people could
benefit from the occasional comic relief that results whenever people like you sit down to express yourself.

Keep it up, Bob. It's good to be reminded from time to time just how idiotic and absurd liberals really are.

SteveL and Wendy
Unfortunately, I believe you guys are correct. My question is, can anything be done about this, or is it too late?

Marinero 11:58 PM EST
"Actually, Bob, the abiotic theory of oil was developed by your soulmates, the Soviets."

So was Lysenkoism, and no one believes that either.

"So you can dismiss the evidence like a good little programmed envirozombie, or you can give a convincing argument to refute it."

How about this: the people whose job it is to find oil -- petroleum geologists, surely the most hard-headed, practical, and down-to-earth scientists in the world -- uniformally and without exception base their search for oil on the root idea that it is biotic. All nationalities, all religions, all political beliefs; they all ignore the possibility of abiotic oil. Here's a longer argument (in 3 parts):

The fact remains that the abiotic theory of petroleum genesis has zero credibility for economically interesting accumulations. 99.9999% of the world's liquid hydrocarbons are produced by maturation of organic matter derived from organisms. To deny this means you have to come up with good explanations for the following observations.

1) The almost universal association of petroleum with sedimentary rocks.

2) The close link between petroleum reservoirs and source rocks as shown by biomarkers (the source rocks contain the same organic markers as the petroleum, essentially chemically fingerprinting the two).

3) The consistent variation of biomarkers in petroleum in accordance with the history of life on earth (biomarkers indicative of land plants are found only in Devonian and younger rocks, that formed by marine plankton only in Neoproterozoic and younger rocks, the oldest oils containing only biomarkers of bacteria).

Part II
3) The close link between the biomarkers in source rock and depositional environment (source rocks containing biomarkers of land plants are found only in terrestrial and shallow marine sediments, those indicating marine conditions only in marine sediments, those from hypersaline lakes containing only bacterial biomarkers).

4) Progressive destruction of oil when heated to over 100 degrees (precluding formation and/or migration at high temperatures as implied by the abiogenic postulate).

5) The generation of petroleum from kerogen on heating in the laboratory (complete with biomarkers), as suggested by the biogenic theory.

6) The strong enrichment in C12 of petroleum indicative of biological fractionation (no inorganic process can cause anything like the fractionation of light carbon that is seen in petroleum).

7) The location of petroleum reservoirs down the hydraulic gradient from the source rocks in many cases (those which are not are in areas where there is clear evidence of post migration tectonism).

8 ) The almost complete absence of significant petroleum occurrences in igneous and metamorphic rocks (the rare exceptions discussed below).

The evidence usually cited in favour of abiogenic petroleum can all be better explained by the biogenic hypothesis e.g.:

9) Rare traces of cooked pyrobitumens in igneous rocks (better explained by reaction with organic rich country rocks, with which the pyrobitumens can usually be tied).

Part III
10) Rare traces of cooked pyrobitumens in metamorphic rocks (better explained by metamorphism of residual hydrocarbons in the protolith).

11) The very rare occurrence of small hydrocarbon accumulations in igneous or metamorphic rocks (in every case these are adjacent to organic rich sedimentary rocks to which the hydrocarbons can be tied via biomarkers).

12) The presence of undoubted mantle derived gases (such as He and some CO2) in some natural gas (there is no reason why gas accumulations must be all from one source, given that some petroleum fields are of mixed provenance it is inevitable that some mantle gas contamination of biogenic hydrocarbons will occur under some circumstances).

13) The presence of traces of hydrocarbons in deep wells in crystalline rock (these can be formed by a range of processes, including metamorphic synthesis by the fischer-tropsch reaction, or from residual organic matter as in 10).

14) Traces of hydrocarbon gases in magma volatiles (in most cases magmas ascend through sedimentary succession, any organic matter present will be thermally cracked and some will be incorporated into the volatile phase, some fischer-tropsch synthesis can also occur).

15) Traces of hydrocarbon gases at mid ocean ridges (such traces are not surprising given that the upper mantle has been contaminated with biogenic organic matter through several billion years of subduction, the answer to 14 may be applicable also).

The geological evidence is utterly against the abiogenic postulate.

I should have said:
The long argument with 15 points that I quoted above was by Jonathan Clarke, an Australian geologist and astrobiologist. His bio is here:
http://tinyurl.com/5fesco

I was somewhat rushing things in hopes that my three posts -- split apart to fit in the character maximum -- would appear consecutively. They appear to have done so. I still like my argument.

the dem's would have us out of this mess
if the republicans had not canceled all their energy saving programs. For example Jimmie Carter put in gas mileage requirements to raise the levels, and added incentives to develop solar and alternative energy. And who stood by with their hands in their pockets when they let the car companies kill the electric car. If Gore had been president we would be well on our way with alternatives and not slaves to the oil producing nations.

We burn 80 million barrels of oil a day in the US. A barrel has 45 gallons in it. If we should find a billion barrels somewhere off shore. We will soon be right back in the same place we are right now. It is a world shortage and if we should hit it lucky and find some oil here, it will sell at the world selling price. So buckle up its going to be an expensive decade. Might as well give it up and look a those alternative energy sources really carefully. There is some pretty promising stuff soon to be brought on line. And not the 10 years wait for exploration, drilling, pipeline building, and more refineries.

The enemy within
The party of the Democrats are a collective mind in opposition to all fossil fuel development.

Just as with the line item veto, repeal of the capital gain taxes on property devolution and high frontier technology, oil is an anathema to them.

The Democratic leadership in the House and Senate would bankrupt the little person eking out a living as a painting contractor, pool man, or taxi driver in order to force their wild-eyed hope of alternative energy on the combustion engine.

Who are we appealing to? A class of Americans that detest the notion of the mobile society and the individual.

Jack Kerouac's postulate on the American Dream being, "the wide open road and a full tank of gas" has no adherents in the Palosi, Reid, Durbin cadres.

What does the faux green left fear? Drilling? Potential for disaster? Disaster is here now. It's called recession, loss of small jobs, dependence on foreign flow.

The technology exists to suck out and extract every drop of oil product and do it while attentive to the beauty of our land and coasts.

Now, many will profit from such increased flow. share holders, those that work in the patch, oil's executives, industries that create the hardware, union members that create, crate, and cart the utensils of exploration, geologists, engineers, marine scientists, technicians, welders and the little income earners doing the trades they are getting squeezed out of today because of the price of fuel.

So, there's the rub. The Democrats and faux greens hate profit and growth. They want the collective sub-reducto of our society. A land where all are more dependent on all rather than the individual whistling to work in a boom town nation.

Unfortunately, they are our neighbors and our enemies. Perhaps we can avoid the consequence of their self-contempt and fear of sustained growth. If not, we might as well turn off the lights before they order us to do so.

the dem's would have us out of this mess
You must have a truncated view of history,chicaree. The Dems destroyed the growth of Nuclear Power in the 1970s and never apologized...so they could enjoy all their brownouts in California and such. They took all the so-called windfall proifits tax (which never made any sense) and squandered it. Of course now in the name of saving the environment they won't drill...but where are all those alternative sources of energy??????

the dem's would have us out of this mess
You must have a truncated view of history,chicaree. The Dems destroyed the growth of Nuclear Power in the 1970s and never apologized...so they could enjoy all their brownouts in California and such. They took all the so-called windfall proifits tax (which never made any sense) and squandered it. Of course now in the name of saving the environment they won't drill...but where are all those alternative sources of energy??????

Boun giorno from bella Italia!

Factoring in the euro-to-dollar rate, gas is about $10.00 per gallon here…mostly due to a 70% fuel tax.

Perhaps the people here tolerate the draconian taxes because the system is highly socialistic, and many Italians (like most Europeans) have become accustomed to a paternalistic big government. The term “sheeple” comes to mind.

Let’s see…who touts the European model?

Bob Munck
OK, fair enough, I asked you for arguments and you provided many. I'm not a geologist and cannot argue these with you point by point; however, I CAN say that your initial statement "the people whose job it is to find oil...uniformally and without exception base their search for oil on the root idea that it is biotic" has several major flaws: 1) This is your typical "scientific consensus" nonsense. It only takes one scientist to prove a theory wrong or right, no matter how many "agree." So far, abiotic oil, fossil fuel, and AGW theories remain unproven. Notice that you never hear someone say "scientists agree that the earth revolves around the sun." This "scientists agree" bit is only used when you can't say that something has been proven. 2) Even if these "people base their search for oil on the root idea that it is biotic," they may in fact be finding oil simply because it is there to be found, regardless of its origins. 3) It is my understanding that the Russians have always relied on abiotic oil theory to search for oil, and that has led them to discover huge deposits at depths that the fossil fuel theory says is not possible. Note that I'm not saying that the abiotic theory has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. I do know, however, that there is a debate about this among scientists who know far more than I. Just as with AGW, the "scientific consensus" crowd (i.e., the Left) is attempting to stifle the debate by pretending it doesn't exist, because all they're really interested in is advancing their political agenda.

Bob Munck, you wrote...
"You overestimate the effect on the world market of additional drilling in the US. Our additional production of oil would be only a pimple on the world's production, a few percent."

We only need a "FEW PERCENT." To the anti-drilling folks who claim that increasing our own production of oil to the global supply wouldn't significantly lower the price of gasoline, let me give this -- admittedly simplistic, but instructive -- analogy:
Envision ten apples per day as being the daily production of apples. But there are eleven people who want to buy an apple a day to keep the doctor away. Since there is more demand for the apples than can be supplied, the price for them increases, and only the ten wealthiest of the eleven people can afford to buy an apple. Along comes a guy who plants an apple tree. Before long, he adds two apples a day to the daily production. Now there are twelve apples available to the eleven buyers. The price for apples plummets. The point here is we don't have to replace the total supply of oil coming from offshore in order to have an impact on lowering the price; it would require a relatively small increase in the amount of domestic production to tilt the balance of supply and demand in our favor.

Why do
many of you keep repeating the problem instead of looking for a solution? OMG my house is on fire and im going to die if I stay in it! Hmmm..who started it, why is it burning so hot, why didnt the smoke detector go off,..or how about GET OUT! Problem solved. Think immediate solutions. THEN figure out how to keep the problem from happening again.

I believe Pres Bush
could declare this a national security issue and lift the ban on drilling. Let the dems wail and impeach him, he'll be a hero.

I am dammed tired of these environazis calling the shots,the dems are in bed with these fools and have been since the carter years. The French were pretty smart to build nuke plants back then, they refused to be held captive by the towelheads while we left ourselves open to their blackmail. We are funding our enemies, that makes it a national security priority.

JSM wants to start building nuke plants and refinaries, good plan, obama wants us to turn down the thermostat and drill nowhere..he believes in the george jetson futuristic cartoon plan where everything runs on whatever will be discovered in the future, but no fossil fuels ever again....an idiot like gore.

It's time for a "fuel party", drive these jackasses out of DC, give Mccain a republican congress and we will solve this in the shortest time possible.

riding bikes
Dems are not saying "let them ride bikes", they are saying "make them ride bikes". The leftist agenda has always been to get americans to stop using cars. the radicals in Washington State used to key the sides of all the SUVs at Washington State University. They hate, yes, hate, the automobile.

So what do we do???
OK, so there's rage; now what? I agree with the poster below -- short of taking up guns and taking over, what is really possible? We're mad. Big deal -- no one who could actually make changes even cares. I'm so angry I see spots and much of my anger comes from how truly impotent we are to change anything.

don't make poor assumptions
Why would one assume that the oil we know about is all the oil there is? If we restart exploration on a grand scale there is really no telling what we might find.
Those like Munck who give point by point proofs that oil does not come about by abiogenic processes does nothing to prove the limits of our production capacity. Time and again the industry has managed to find more.
Therefore the pimple on the world comment is actually no more than a guess. We could be a planet awash in the stuff since we haven't looked everywhere.
Drill.

A majority in the country has spoken....
...at the ballot box. These legions want the government to take over their lives, and to tell them what's good for them, no matter how much and how many people suffer. Sorry to be a nudge, but that's a fact in this state.

Here in the blue state of Michigan, we have legions of voters who don't read and who truly (and still) believe the phrase, "the Democrats are for the workin' man!"

If you had a vote today on whether to "drill now and pay less", a majority in Michigan would vote against it. The labor unions would guarantee it. The only thing these lefties would have to say is that if we did drill, some people would get rich. Union handlers know their rank and file members would then go ballistic.

Union sheeple like those in the UAW would rather eat weeds than see someone take the financial risks, and then maybe profit from it.

You can't fix stupid, folks.


Take Back Our Independence
Obstructionism is How they, The Leftists, Have Hijacked This Republic. The running of the country is supposed to be about doing what is Right and Good for the citizens. Not in Obstructing National Interests For Personal Interests Or Politicl Agenda.


With the advent of Socialism, Special Interest Groups, PAC's, and out and out Subterfuge, the Democrat Party joined by quite a few Repubs, has hijacked the Constitution and The government for Their and Their Special Interests and To The Highest Bidders who Buy Their Influence. Who does it cost? Everybody in a free society. Welfare Bums may be fat, dumb, and happy while living off the backs of Workers and looking to Their Socialist-Democrats as their Saviors, but what these Welfare Recipients do not seem to understand is that when you Depend On Government To Do All For You, You Have Become A Slave To Government. What we workers and Tax Payers know is that This Same Socialist Government is Making Us Debt Slaves. (To Be Continued)


not just the Dem's
Michael,
Let's not lay all of the blame at the feet of the Democrats in congress. Remember they have only held the majority for a short time. Where were the Republicans in congress, when they held the majority and the presidency. Gas prices weren't exactly low before they lost power in the house and senate. There is enough blame for this mess to go around, and there isn't ten cents worth of difference between the current congress and the past one.

Marinero 6:42 AM EST
"1) This is your typical "scientific consensus" nonsense."

This isn't just scientific consensus; this is the working stiffs with dirty boots out tramping around deserts and swamps trying to make a living.

'It only takes one scientist to prove a theory wrong or right, no matter how many "agree.'

That's trivally true of all of science. There's no such thing as "prov[ing] a theory;" the concept doesn't exist. We tend to proceed as if the law of gravity were true, even though it's never been "proven" and never will be.

"2) ... they may in fact be finding oil simply because it is there to be found, regardless of its origins."

That's so absurd that I don't know how to respond. Do you have any idea how BIG the Earth is? Why do you think that the oil companies pay petroleum geologist such huge salaries?

"3) It is my understanding that the Russians have always relied on abiotic oil theory to search for oil"

Your understanding is wrong. The single attempt to find oil using the abiotic theory cost tens of millions of dollars and produced 80 barrels of oil. Not 80 million, 80.

"that has led them to discover huge deposits at depths that the fossil fuel theory says is not possible."

Chemistry says that that's not possible. Below about 15,000 feet, heat would crack petroleum into useless forms.

"there is a debate about this among scientists who know far more than I."

No there isn't. There's just a bunch of right-wingers trying desperately to make it appear that there's a debate. That's SOP; they do it for intelligent design, YEC, etc. Abiotic oil is much more about religion and young earth creationism than it is about science.

TAKE BACK UR INDEPENDENCE (CONT.)


After WWII, their was prosperity never seen before here or elsewhere in the world. My parents, who grew up poor, but hard working, and worked in textile plants in Alabama, made a good life for themselves and became comfortably middle class, and came to own outright their homes, automobiles, etc. without very much personal debt. This process and this American Dream was SMASHED in 1963 when JFK was assassinated. The people, intent on taking this country over and turning it into a Socialist State, succeeded. LBJ immediately began The So-Called Great Society Programs that promised to Give People A Free Ride. LBJ knew what he was doing. Now, 45 years later, the country has an educatinal system that does a complete and thorough job Of Brainwashing, but does not teach functional literacy. A school system that Socilaizes Our Children into looking to government to be their caretakers, while completely undermining Family and Spiritual Values. This system took once proud American Workers of all races who had a good and intact Work Ethic, and Reduced them To being lazy, slovenly, and immoral, and sometimes criminal elements. See, that is what Socialism and Communism do to people. Take Away A Belief In God, and stamp out any symbol of God and Religion in the Running of The country. (To Be Continued)

Jerome Ennis, MA in Tuscaloosa, Alabama

Take Back Our Independence (continued)
(continued)This process and this American Dream was SMASHED in 1963 when JFK was assassinated..... A school system that Socilaizes Our Children into looking to government to be their caretakers, while completely undermining Family and Spiritual Values. This system took once proud American Workers of all races who had a good and intact Work Ethic, and Reduced them To being lazy, slovenly, and immoral, and sometimes criminal elements. See, that is what Socialism and Communism do to people. Take Away A Belief In God, and stamp out any symbol of God and Religion in the Running of The country. (To Be Continued)

Now, this Take Over Of Our Republic is almost Complete. 40 plus years of Dumbing Down Our Children, while socializing them, has left us Intellectually, Emotionally, Psychologically, Morally, Spiritually, and Finally Fiscally Bankrupt. The Debt is TEN Trillion Dollars.
The Intellectual and Spiritual Bankruptcy---PRICELESS. Can we recover from this? It will take all good citizens to Say No To These Communists beginning this time by VOTING NO TO OBAMA AND ANY OTHER Local, State, or Federal office holder who Supports This Traitor and Communist. Then, Start in Your cities, counties, and states and ONLY VOTE FOR PEOPLE YOU KNOW YOU CAN TRUST.

Happy 4th of July---We may not be able to say this Next Year if we get Obama, ALLIED with A Socialist-Led Congress and a couple More Socialist Supreme Court Judges. Obama will not even say the Pledge of Alliegence or Salute the Flag or put his hand on a Bible. And you all know that Fireworks are symbols of Guns, and you know they want your guns, because If people Have guns, they can defend themselves. The Socialists Want You Defenseless on A Personal Level. Wake Up Amerians and Celebrate Your Independence and Freedom and Demand Leadership that Share Our Values.

Jerome Ennis, MA in Tuscaloosa, Alabama

To Pro From Dover in Michigan
Isn't it amazing how the UAW and other Unions still support Democrats. Have they not noticed that they are surrounded by Non-Working Welfare Recipients, and have a Government That Is Making it Impossible To Produce A Car, Produce Gasoline, Produce A TV, Produce A Piece of Fabric??? We have let these Socialists destroy the Work Ethic and The Industrial Base of this country. Have these Unionists not noticed that The American Laborer has been Replaced by 30 million plus Illegals. Have they not noticed that these Same Illegals are living off Our Tax Money as they Receive Free Medical, Free Food, Free Educations without even learning to speak our language. Doesn't seem to this writer that this could be Good For Unions and This is especially Bad for American Workers, as these Illegals who can be hired without documentation, and then the Employer does not have to pay for his/her medical insurance, workman's compensation, social security, vacations, etc. Sounds like a Good Deal For Employers, and a Raw Deal For American Workers and American Tax Payers. Better Wake those Idiots running Your Unions Up before It is too Late. As a Union Member, you are making too much money to suit a Socialist, who wants you to be reduced to the level Of The Starving Peasants in The World Village.

Jerome Ennis, MAed in Tuscaloosa, Alabama

michigander 7:00 AM EST
"Envision ten apples per day as being the daily production of apples. But there are eleven people who want to buy an apple a day to keep the doctor away."

To make that a bit more real-world, there are 6.7 billion people who want apples, and a year from now there'll be another 75 million, an increase of 1.1%. The ANWR orchard would increase production of apples by at most 0.9% and last for just ten years, during which the apple-eaters would increase by 12%.

And all those people want MORE apples every day. One group with 5% of the population is eating 25% of the apples and everybody else wants to catch up.

As I said, a pimple.

TAKE BACK OUR INDEPENDENCE (cont.)
This writer has two TownHall blogs: Take Back Our Schools and Take Back Our Communities. That is where it starts. Our schools are where future leaders, voters, workers, and family leaders begins.

Obama has promised to start taking your children at age two (2) and begin the Brainwashing and Dumbing Down and producing Obedient Government Dependent Citizens, while at the same time, taking Parental Rights away from parents. Of course, after 40 plus years of building a Welfare State, this offer is appealing to the Welfare Recipient who has already been Thoroughly Brainwashed into a Victimization and Entitlement mentality.

Those of us who are not a part of this mentality had better wake up and get out the vote this time around. McCain is not all that Conservative, but compared to the Alternative, Obama, He is A God Send. A vote Against Any Obama Supporter at any level of government Is a Vote For Freedom.

So, Have a Happy 4th of July and Celebrate Independence Today, because this time Next Year, we could be in total Submission To the Socialist State. I know if these Socialists can Tell Me Where I can and cannot smoke a cigarette or tell me what I can eat or not eat because it may be "bad for me", they can certainly Ban Fireworks. Can you imagine the Co2 of Fireworks. Remember, Government knows Best. These same buffoons who had to shut down their snack bar, because it went broke. Yes, These Socialists who Run The Kingdom, are Benevolent Dictators. Right?????


Jerome Ennis, MAed in Tuscaloosa, Alabama

INTHENOW 5:00 AM EST
"Factoring in the euro-to-dollar rate, gas is about $10.00 per gallon here…mostly due to a 70% fuel tax."

That's 6.4 euros per gallon. Do you know what it was a year ago in euros? We were at $2.95 a gallon a year ago and $4.10 now, an increase of 39%. I'd very much like to know how much it has increased there.

Bob Munck in VA and Apple Analogy
You probably consider yourself clever with that little Apple Analogy. You sound like one of those Simple Minded Liberals who believe that Everybody Out Here Is A Dumbed Down and Socialized Leming. That is about like one of Obama's Speeches as he Speaks Down To His Legions of Minions.

It is obvious that you believe that we Americans are the Bad Guys because we built a country of Prosperity, and you socialists want us to be part of the World Village of Poverty. Well, you liberals have done a pretty good job of achieving that in the past 40 years or so.

We have gone from being a Producer Nation to a Consumer Nation and a Service Economy. Our means of production have moved, because the Obstructionist Environmentalists and others made it too expensive and too much red tape to do business. We now have a Government that controls Almost Every Aspect of Personal Freedom with inane laws and ordinances all over the country. Too Much Government and Too Many Bureaucracies and Government Agencies have bankrupted us. And you speak of Apples in a speech talking down to people as if they are little children. You, and Obama have Under-Estimated the Intelligence and Drive of Real American Patriots, such as myself. It is you condescending pukes that make Real Americans Sick. And, I bet sir, that you are not a Welfare Recipient, but are one of the Privileged Few who sit in your Ivory Tower and Feel Superior because you pity the poor of the world. Well, when you get your Communist Utopia, unless you are one of the Politburo, you will not get to keep Your Ivory Tower or The Wealth and Status that goes with it. No, you will wind up in a Slave Labor Camp, just like those in Communist China do today. These same Chinese workers who produce the junk you buy at Walmart. Yes, Communism is Great. The U.S.S.R. only took about 60 years to Belly Up with Debt and Inferior Production to Wake Up and Disband Communism in favor of Capitalism.


Bob Munck and Apples (cont.)


It is obvious that you believe that we Americans are the Bad Guys because we built a country of Prosperity, and you socialists want us to be part of the World Village of Poverty. Liberals have done a pretty good job of achieving that in the past 40 years or so.

We have gone from being a Producer to a Consumer Nation and a Service Economy. We are now a Debtor Nation and Not a Creditor Nation. We now have a Government that controls Almost Every Aspect of Personal Freedom with inane laws and ordinances all over the country. Bankrupted us. And you speak of Apples in a speech talking down to people as if they are little children. You, and Obama have Under-Estimated the Intelligence and Drive of Real American Patriots, such as myself. It is you condescending pukes that make Real Americans Sick. And, I bet sir, that you are not a Welfare Recipient, but are one of the Privileged Few who sit in your Ivory Tower and Feel Superior because you pity the poor of the world. Well, when you get your Communist Utopia, unless you are one of the Politburo, you will not get to keep Your Ivory Tower or The Wealth and Status that goes with it. No, you will wind up in a Slave Labor Camp, just like those in Communist China do today. These same Chinese workers who produce the junk you buy at Walmart. Yes, Communism is Great. The U.S.S.R. only took about 60 years to Belly Up with Debt and Inferior Production to Wake Up and Disband Communism in favor of Capitalism.

We are 40 plus Years into Communism. How much time do we have left??? We are ten trillion in debt now, and we are damned near Morally Bankrupt as well.

Have A Happy 4th of July Folks. This time next year, you may not have The Right To Celebrate Your Independence. Vote No To Obama and No To Anybody that Supports This Communist, Un-American Traitor.

Jerome Ennis, MAed in Tuscaloosa, Alabama

Did I miss something?
Or have the moonbat squadrons failed to show up with their Alice in Wonderland solutions of "cutting back, solar, wind, tidal and pixie dust" alternatives to eeeevilll oil?

Wow!! What's taking them so long? Too many hits on their overworked bongs?

-Ray
NRA Life Member

Real Change
McCain is exactly the same a Obama on oil - McCain believes in allowing states to decide but only for states that don't want to drill - how is that any different than Obama's no drill position? It is a distinction without a difference.

You could, at a local level reduce gas prices AND reduce gasoline usage (not to mention fire damage) if you got rid of rent control and open space laws in major cities. LA, for example has height restrictions on buildings - I know what you are thinking, but taller buildings are much safer in earthquakes - the reason is that tall buildings are not fashionable. Rent control makes improved housing impossible - so you end up with long commutes from nicer areas to the cities. If you got rid of such controls - people would actually take public transit.

You could also make the carpool lane available only to SUVs and trucks. Think about it - hybrids get their efficiency from regenerative braking - SUVs are most efficient when not stopping. Same for big trucks. Imagine how much gas is wasted in stop and stop traffic - now multiply that for the big trucks who can only use the stop and stop lanes.

To Trucker 11
You mentioned Washington State. Don't you think it ironic that that Socialist State, Washington, is the suicide capitol of the country. Seattle that gave us Grunge. Music with lyrics that make you totally depressed and want to mutilate your body with piercings, cuttings, and tattooes, and dye your hair purple or maybe even do as Cobain did, blow your brains out. Yes, Socialism sure did a good job on these kids, didn't it? Yes, Washington state, and it's socialist government has sure Created a Lot Of Depression and Hopelessness in their youth, who are now adults lost and confused. But, never fear, they have soup lines, hostles for youth to crash at and the best methodone clinics in America, where the folks go to get their daily Fix at the Government Run Dope Clinics. And, of course, The Affluent Drug Addicts can go to any street corner and buy the Street Drug of Their Choice from The Thugs who run the gangs. And, oh yes, Child Prostitutes, who are also drug addicts, roam the streets like zombies, selling themselves to get money for Drugs. Isn't Washington State's Utopian Socialism a Great Place to live?? Obama and Socialists all over the country envision A Washington State for the entire Country.

Michael
I am always amazed by the "Stupidity" of Americans.You write an article about "Rage", as it relates to present gas prices.However, you fail to mention the fact that Americans have been "Complicit" in their own demise.What "Fool" buys a car and does not assess cost?There are "Fallacies" concealed in the America Dream.You deserve everything your heart desires,lie.Bigger is better,lie.Don't worry about tomorrow,another lie and the list continues ad infinitum.Now we find ourselves "Bent Over" and we blame everyone but ourselves,stupid.I have three Hondas and I have not driven an American car since I moved here.I don't feel anything for American drivers,because it is there failure to pay attention, that has placed them in jeopardy.Only a "FOOL" buys a car,which produces 10 miles to the gallon.America roads are filled by those previously described.When failure is not properly understood,it is most often repeated.The Oil industry "Tricked" the auto industry into making bigger cars,while the auto industry "Tricked" Americans into buying them.You get what what you have paid for,in more ways than one...

Ronald Reagan VS Oboma
Ronald Reagan VS Oboma is a easily Tap Out !
This Country does not need to replace this Nations Vessel .
Tis' no Ship that stormy winds does not blow it off its corse from time to time . But this tried and proven American Ship of all ships on Earth always right-en it sails and corrects it path not our Vision of Individualism and Exceptionalism . Our 200 year history has well caught us .
America will do just that if I am elected President of this great Nation .
President Ronald Reagan
(and he did just that ) Turning this economy totally around out of disaster and most of all Americans being proud to be an America Patriots once again .
Reagan positive attitude saw the Greatest in America not its 10-15 % wrongs as does Mr Oboma and the left as a Campaign tool for becoming President based on all negativity .
Reagan is the Man that ran on Hope and real Change with his positiveness . Not Oboma Preaching this Nation is to be scorned and New Shipped .
I say Oboma sees a glass half filled pours no water in its filling but will in its plundering and denial of its greatness .

Roopsag in Wa
You Mr. Roopsag don't get it. Nobody wants to live in LA or anyother Metro City because most every Metro City is Socialist. Socialism creates Welfare Recipients, Crime, Gangs, Poverty, and Slums. People used to be able to live in cities, but were forced to move out to get a safe, clean, and peaceful place to live, and without so many Socialist Ordinances that Tax The Workers To Give To Welfare Recipients to insure that they, The Socialists, get their Votes. Their slogans go like this: "Vote For Me, I Promise To Give You Something For Nothing. I will Tax The Rich and Give It To You To Sit Home, Watch Oprah, Eat Doritoes and Twinkies, Drink Beer, Smoke Reefer, Smoke Crack, and Provide Day Care For Your Illegitimate Children who Grow up To Be Gangstas, while you sit home and Blame Your Problems in Life on the Evil White Man and The Past." Wake Up Libs. Now, we have a Presidential Candidate Promoting This On A National Scale. Obama, a Socialist With Muslim, Terrorist, and Racist Background. You libs out there love the novelty of this guy. Do you really believe that he and Michelle will start loving you just because you are liberal???No, they sat in The Rev. Wright's church pews for over 20 years being brainwashed by the Message, You are A Victim of The White Man. Hate Whitey. He is the Great Satan. This is exactly what Radical Muslims Teach. You choose sir. Do you really want a Separatist Such As Obama to Be President??? Don't think so.

Have a Happy 4th of July. May be your last chance to Celebrate Freedom and Independence If The Socialists get their way. Fireworks resemble guns and bombs, symbols of freedom. They want your guns and they want your freedom.

Jerome Ennis, MAed in Tuscaloosa, Al

Foot dragging
Our "do nothing" congress will probably continue to do nothing until after the election, then if their man gets elected they will rubber stamp all of his liberal proposals. If Mr. McCain gets elected they will continue to drag their feet. It all goes to congressional leadership.

Efficiency
Bob: "Driving 55 instead of 70 reduces your gasoline usage by 20%. "

If that were true, then our average fuel efficiency should have gone down since the 55 mph limit was lifted. It has not - average fleet efficiency (i.e. not just new cars) has been heading down for a long time - and it had nothing to do with CAFE standards.

I have noticed a strange effect of driving fast - my fuel efficiency went up quite a bit. Perhaps it is just how Honda's work - but I got 33-35 mpg driving 75 mph daily vs. about 28-30 mpg driving 55 mph daily. More likely it is because traffic actually moves when you get rid of arbitrary speed limits designed to please regulators instead of move traffic safely and efficiently.

At the time the limit was revoked - hysterical liberals claimed that highway death would skyrocket - so wrong. Deaths on highways went down. Of course, liberal hysterical predictions never come true - only the opposite happens.

The Will of the People
You are assuming that the people still have a will. Only a small percentage of the people care enough to become active. The rest are perfectly content to allow the Government to take care of them. They don't do any diligence. They don't check to see how their representatives vote. They are apathetic to the takeover.

You are also assuming the Communist Party DNC cares what the people say. They don't. They have an agenda and that agenda is to destroy the economy so they can come back with socialism.

They are conducting a national brainwash. Only conservatives will raise their voices and none in the Communist Party DNC will care. Wouldn't surprise me to see Guantanamo temporarily closed and then turned into a reeducation camp for conservatives once they have complete takeover of the country.

Reply to Roopsag
On this point about 70 versus 55, I have to agree with you. Better economy at higher speeds keeps traffic moving, and also, as you overcome inertia and get movement, speed reduces fuel consumption as the weight of the vehicle keeps it moving with less energy.

As for Congress, we do not want them controlling anything. They have already passed too many laws and created too many buraucratic agencies and departments to regulate us citizens.

My proposal to Congress is this: Keep your salaries, but just stay home. You only hurt us when you are in session and making more and more obstructionist laws and regulating our personal freedoms and rights.

No, to Socialism, no matter which party. No to Big Government. We cannot afford this government. If we do away with about 90 percent of the Government's Departments and Agencies, we would be solvent as a nation, and could use the money to actually do things right, like maintaining roads, bridges, a national defense, police force, etc. This is the only realm the government was intended to rule over. Now, they want to micro manage every aspect of our Freedoms and Rights. No More Laws. Take 90 percent of them off the books. Do away with Government Agencies.

Take our country back from these Social Engineers.

Vote No To Obama and All other Socialists.

Have a Happy 4th of July and Celebrate Freedom and Independence. Could be the last Hoorah!!

Socialists want your guns and your right to use them or any thing that resembles them.

Jerome Ennis in Tuscaloosa, Al.

Reducing government
Greyhawk - a good read (even if it is from a liberal perspective) is "The Coming Generational Storm." You will be convinced that nothing will be done in Government to keep us solvent (re the "menu of pain"). We will likely enter a phase of hyperinflation as the government tries to default on debt by controlled inflation. The dollars we spread around the world will start coming back to our shores. Of course during this time - when it is really too late to do anything about it, we will likely elect a dictator like FDR to make things worse.

The numbers are really against us - best to protect yourself and your family - and let everyone else starve. It is going to happen anyway.

Apology to Bob--Mistook Brilliance
My apologies Bob. When I read Roopsag's comment about 55mph vs 70mph, I thought that that numbskull liberal said that. I reread the blog and saw that he was attempting to Debunk you and used your statement, and I mistakenly contributed this intelligent comment to him.

Should have known better. I thought there was still hope for that Bleeding Heart Liberal.

Oh well, maybe someday, if he will turn off his overly imaginative brain, and rid himself of his supposed superiority, and begin to think for himself, instead of aping the Liberal Mantra, he may change.

In the meantime, keep posting. Have to offset some of the Liberal Garbage that the media spews and then idiots get on here and repeat.

Liberals still believe in Fairy Tales, and things like there is no difference in Men and Women as the Men On The Left have become Feminized. No wonder so many of our youth today have gender and identity crises. Liberals have been educating them along with the Liberal Hollywood mentality media for quite a while now.

Gotta take back our schools as a start. A child's mind is a terrible thing to waste, confuse, and destroy with Brainwashing and Dumbing down, which is what the U.S. Dept. Of Ed. has been doing since it's creation in 1978 by that Socialist Jimmy Carter. It started with another Socialist Lyndon Johnson. Notice this, they were both calling themselves Democrats.

The rest is history. The Great Society Programs and Entitlements have created The USA of today. Better take our children back from the Government Machine.

Happy 4th of July. Celebrate Freedom and Vote No To Obama and His Supporters.


Salute to a Great Conservative, Jesse Helms who died today. Not many real Americans like Jesse left. He was not afraid to Confront The Socialists and Call them what they were: Traitors and Communists. We will miss you Jesse.

Jerome Ennis in Tuscaloosa, Alabama

Apology to Bob
My apologies Bob. When I read Roopsag's comment about 55mph vs 70mph, I thought that that numbskull liberal said that. I reread the blog and saw that he was attempting to Debunk you and used your statement, and I mistakenly contributed this intelligent comment to him.

Should have known better. I thought there was still hope for that Bleeding Heart Liberal.

Oh well, maybe someday, if he will turn off his overly imaginative brain, and rid himself of his supposed superiority, and begin to think for himself, instead of aping the Liberal Mantra, he may change.

In the meantime, keep posting. Have to offset some of the Liberal Garbage that the media spews and then idiots get on here and repeat.

Liberals still believe in Fairy Tales, and things like there is no difference in Men and Women as the Men On The Left have become Feminized. No wonder so many of our youth today have gender and identity crises. Liberals have been educating them along with the Liberal Hollywood mentality media for quite a while now.

Gotta take back our schools as a start. A child's mind is a terrible thing to waste, confuse, and destroy with Brainwashing and Dumbing down, which is what the U.S. Dept. Of Ed. has been doing since it's creation in 1978 by that Socialist Jimmy Carter. It started with another Socialist Lyndon Johnson. Notice this, they were both calling themselves Democrats.

The rest is history. The Great Society Programs and Entitlements have created The USA of today. Better take our children back from the Government Machine.

Happy 4th of July. Celebrate Freedom and Vote No To Obama and His Supporters.


Salute to a Great Conservative, Jesse Helms who died today. Not many real Americans like Jesse left. He was not afraid to Confront The Socialists and Call them what they were: Traitors and Communists. We will miss you Jesse.

Jerome Ennis in Tuscaloosa, Alabama

Ecozombies
Your moral superiority complex is showing again!

It is none of your business what kind of car anyone else drives. Who are you to judge? Or does "Judge not" only apply to those who disagree with you? Maybe you're just jealous because you can't afford what some can, or you resent that some of what you'd term the riff-raff can also afford some of the same things you can.

I drive an SUV because 1) I can afford it, 2)Because of its size, I'm much more likely to survive an accident, as are my passengers, 3) It's much more comfortable any way you look at it, and 4) This is America, not Communist Russia or Cuba. 5) Again, it's none of your business!

Buying bigger or using more makes nobody a bad guy. Nothing is taken from another in the transaction. You and your comrades wagging your fingers in our faces and preaching that we mustn't demand or consume petroleum in the name of "saving the planet" (which in any case was here before we were) only serves to make you look like the silly busybody bluestockings you are.

And yes, I remember the Carter years of 55 mph speed limits-especially out here amongst the tumbleweeds. The only benefit from that went right into State Patrol coffers.

No liberal
Greyhawk - trust me I am no liberal. Well, only in a classical sense - I believe government is a necessary evil. As a necessary evil it should be used sparingly and only under Constitutional authority - something it has long surpassed.

What post of mine makes you think that I am a numb-skull liberal?

Nonsense
One perplexing thing Greyhawk - about me being a numb skull:

You agreed with my point, then insulted me because you realized I debunked Bob. So who is the numb skull?

Greyhawk (stating to me): "On this point about 70 versus 55, I have to agree with you. Better economy at higher speeds keeps traffic moving, and also, as you overcome inertia and get movement, speed reduces fuel consumption as the weight of the vehicle keeps it moving with less energy."

Bob previously said the opposite: "Driving 55 instead of 70 reduces your gasoline usage by 20%."

ReCon
President Reagan was in the same class as John McCain.What Reagan understood about economics was learned from Donald Regan,the true President.At tiny Eureka college they probably did not have economics in their curriculum when Mr.Reagan attended said institution.I won't be able to discuss economics with you but please trust my historical corrections!

gasoline
Gasoline prices??---thank a democrat--remember them in November

Bob Munck, you wrote...
"The ANWR orchard would increase production of apples by at most 0.9% and last for just ten years, during which the apple-eaters would increase by 12%."

You keep focusing exclusively on ANWR. I never said, or even implied, that ANWR is the silver bullet for lowering world oil prices. It's just one of many, including offshore exploration & production, clean coal technology, shale extraction, nuclear generation, etc. But, no, we can't do any of that. The sky is falling! Head for the hills!

Bob Munck, you wrote...
"The ANWR orchard would increase production of apples by at most 0.9% and last for just ten years, during which the apple-eaters would increase by 12%."

You keep focusing exclusively on ANWR. I never said, or even implied, that ANWR is the silver bullet for lowering world oil prices. It's just one of many, including offshore exploration & production, clean coal technology, shale extraction, nuclear generation, etc. But, no, we can't do any of that. The sky is falling! Head for the hills!

Too Killer in Ga,

I am glad to hear a good man like Ronald Reagan was greatly influenced in Economics by Douglas Reagan . I am sure he was influenced by the Bible . Jesus , Barry Goodwater and a host of other great Conservative and men in History . I know Reagan was greatly influenced by the top economist in America ever Milton Freidman and Fredrick Hyatt he wrote too The Former RePublican party .
His Letters showed us that as well . A man is judges by who he brings with him into office and heart .
He surrounded himself with great men and a wonderful loving wife .
It beats Oboma being Influenced strongly by Socialism . A Kenyan none father , negative wife , Atheist Mother , Father Phliger , Bill Ayers , Rev Wright , under world politics Chicago .....A dirty Chicago Money man , Acorn , Saul Alinsky and and Karl Marx .
In economics that means I wouldn't take 1000000000000 +1 Million Oboma's for 1 Ronald Reagan .

To Greyhawk,
Union people in this state, as a group, don't know and don't care about any of the destructive and self-defeating effects their beliefs and actions cause. They show up at the polls and vote Democrat without thinking.

I lived all of my adult life around auto workers, primarily Ford and GM people, and almost to a man and woman, they spout the union dialectic as gospel. I'm talking literally scores of union people I know and have known.

Their standard comment is; "GM (or Ford) has billions of dollars so they can pay us what we want". It's really that simple for them.

A HUGE boast among the majority of auto workers I've known and still know is how little they work or have worked on the job. A sign of true achievement in life for most of them is how they don't have to work for their paycheck.

I've often heard them say; "I drink coffee and read the paper all day at work, and people that went to college don't make as much as I do!" They say things like this WITH PRIDE.

As well, I've heard many boast of taking turns with co-workers punching the clock for each other when they took days off to go fishing or hunting. Chrysler workers can be literally gone for months, and then reappear knowing they'll still have a job. It's nearly impossible to get fired from any auto plant.

There are autoworkers who show up every day and do their shifts diligently. I've known some of them, but they explain that to go against union thinking and culture can literally get them hurt. If they disagree with any union dictate, their autos are damaged in the parking lot. If they keep it up, they get the daylights beaten out of them.

People in the UAW union are mindlessly tribal and thus vicious and violent when crossed. After all, as they see it, it's "for the workin' man".

Bob Munck
Just a couple of results from a quick Google search of "abiotic oil":

1) "The debate over oil's origin has been going on since the 19th century. From the start, there were those who contended that oil is primordial - that it dates back to Earth's origin - or that it is made through an inorganic process, while others argued that it was produced from the decay of living organisms (primarily oceanic plankton) that proliferated millions of years ago during relatively brief periods of global warming and were buried under ocean sediment in fortuitous circumstances.

During the latter half of the 20th century, with advances in geophysics and geochemistry, the vast majority of scientists lined up on the side of the biotic theory. A small group of mostly Russian scientists - but including a tiny handful Western scientists, among them the late Cornell University physicist Thomas Gold - have held out for an abiotic (also called abiogenic or inorganic) theory. "

2) "For the longest time abiotic oil theories were ignored by all but a few scientists, and those who hold to the theory are still in the minority, but they’re getting steadily more and more respectable. There was a recent friendly paper on the topic published in Science magazine, for example.

To my eye, the most compelling evidence to date for the theory is the White Tiger oil field in Vietnam. They’re pumping out oil from underneath miles of basement granite, and lots of it, from a location that conventional theories would have said was very unlikely to contain oil. The defenders of the conventional, biological theory (oil is dinosaurs and prehistoric plants squished together and aged in the highest layers of the Earth’s crust) have only been able to answer by suggesting that the biologically-created oil leaked down there from a more conventional location. Which may be true, but seems a bit weak, especially for an oil field that’s producing so well."

Democrats & votes
One of our forefathers (I don't remember who) once stated to the effect that he dreaded giving the populace the "keys to the treasury". What the Democrats want to do is to increase to percentage of voters who do not pay any taxes to over 50%. After that happens, the voters will continue to vote Democratic because the Democrats will continue to give them ever increasing benefits at the expense of the "wealthy". What they don't realize is that, eventually, the wealthy become tired of it and stop being entroprenuers and the economy goes totally "south".

What we need to do is to educate the voters that there is absolutely no such thing as a "free lunch"!!!!

Greyhawk 11:36 AM EST
"Bob Munck in VA and Apple Analogy
You probably consider yourself clever with that little Apple Analogy."

Hey, dummy, it's Michigander's analogy, not mine. Try to keep up. You seem pretty unclear on who's writing what most of the time. I'll give you a hint: the long posts containing mindless rambling and signed "Jerome Ennis in Tuscaloosa, Alabama" are coming from YOU.

michigander 2:09 PM EST
"You keep focusing exclusively on ANWR."

That's because ANWR is quantifiable. There are actual figures for daily and total production, created by geologists who weren't willing to say anthing to sell it, so I can do arithmetic with them and come up with real-world numbers. There's no equivalent for off-shore drilling, oil shale, etc.

"But, no, we can't do any of that. The sky is falling! Head for the hills!"

If you haven't noticed, I talk all the time about my pet partial solution, remote pebble-bed nuclear reactors and SuperGrid energy pipelines. (Pebble bed is, I believe, the equivalent of what others call "fourth-generation reactors" here, or at least is a subset of them.) Also about my own 10-year-old geothermal HVAC system and rooftop photovoltaics. And then there's my rickshaw for local travel, pulled by out-of-work republican congressional staffers.

The term "moonbat"
TH conservatives throw this term around a lot. Maybe they imagine they are eviscerating their adversaries handily when they say, "Go back to Moveon, Moonbat." But no liberal has ever been chastened by these words. For us, they are filler, or just a set part of the hackneyed literary genre called "conservative rant." It's actually very difficult for you to really get to us. This is hard for conservatives, who tend to be quite touchy, to understand. Consider that all I have to do if I want to upset you is say "maybe prohibitively expensive gas isn't such a bad thing." This statement guaranteed to make at least 80% of conservatives ballistic instantly. Or how about this one: "It's really creepy the way Christians fetishize blood." That one really puts people over the edge. On the other hand, if you want to upset me, what could you say? Sometimes when you all start talking your "kill liberals" talk, it's disturbing, because I can't help thinking you might get organized one day and really do it. But it's not offensive in the way that say, commercials are. So if you want to upset me, make a commercial. Make a commercial for a truck, and put all kinds of phallic imagery and suggestion in it. Make sure to insinuate that whoever buys this truck will be a true American man, like Patrick Swayze in Roadhouse. Definitely put women in this commercial as eroticized objects that the True Male will be able to completely possess with the irresistible power of his magical phallus I mean truck. I will probably be mildly offended then. But this "ooh, Pinko, George Soros is soooo your boss" business is sometimes amusing but usually boring.

Prima Volta 4:25 PM EST
Heh. Try "it's not a person, it's just a mass of cells, a temporary organ in the woman's body that she gets to make ALL decisions about." Or "It's an Inconvenient Truth: human activity is disrupting the Earth's climate and causing an overall rise in temperature." Or "widespread gun ownership cause many times more deaths than it prevents." Or "Bush lied about Iraq, because he wanted their oil."

I could go on and on. They really are a touchy lot, aren't they? Poised on a knife-edge, with insanity on either hand.

Munck errs
Bob Munck:
Your original thought seems to be "RAGE;" it's hard to see how that solves anything. I've suggested the 55 mph speed limit, balancing the budget, and elsewhere use of geothermal HVAC, thin-film photovoltaics, forth-generation or pebble-bed nuclear reactors, the SuperGrid energy pipeline, solar-power satellites launched using a space elevator, and an SPS at the Earth-Sun L2 point. Some of those are a bit flaky or futuristic, but they have a better chance at working than RAGE. "

1. “Hard to see”? You aren’t looking. RAGE (real-world,not abstract) solves problems if it is properly directed to motivate people towards solutions, as Reagan suggests.

2. 55 mph is overrated as a gas-saver. First, most driving is done on city streets or secondary roads & 70 rarely occurs. Second, mpg savings between 55 v. 70 is not nearly 20% as you claim (aerodynamic drag is only one component of total drag; mechanical losses and tire rolling resistance are two other factors, which don't change much between 55 v. 70. Furthermore some cars are geared to optimally utilize their torque curve at 70 and therefore don't benefit much if at all, at 55. A skilled driver at 70 can get better mpg than an average driver at 55. Education helps.

3. Of the misc. 6 "non-solutions" you tout, at least 4 of them are not in production or even prototyped yet, but you imply that they are SHORT-TERM solutions that can work faster than RAGE. Your imaginary SuperGrid has never been prototyped on any useful scale, and the SuperGrid Conference of 2004 (UIUC) gave a blue-sky estimate of "several decades" before it would be in place at all, much less complete. Drilling can reduce gas prices in just a few months, by virtue of the threat effect, with larger declines when oil is actually delivered in a couple years. Small changes in supply or demand when both are closely matched, produce large changes in price.

Today is Independence Day
and on the radio I heard Obama giving a rally talk and he said "it is NOT our MILITARY that makes America great".

Well Obama, if it were not for our MILITARY, your sorry as- would not be able to run for President. They keep freedom alive and safe. You mister nutcase; devide our country and should be sent home, where ever that may be, you, Obama, is not fit to be President and Commander and Chief.

We honor our MILITARY and greatful for keeping this NATION the greatest in the world.

Joy of Iowa

Joy
See what I mean? Touchy. Obama was saying that our military defends principles that are worth defending, and those principles are the ones that make our country great. If Rush Limbaugh said the same thing, you'd think it was fantastic. Your ideological fervor makes you not only super-sensitive, but impervious to reason.

history buff
Read again what Reagan is advocating. He wants his yokel minions to get REALLY MAD and storm Congress with pitchforks. He wants to force Democrats to approve ANWAR drilling with violence and threats of violence. Are you so blinded by RAGE that you do not see the obvious weaknesses of this solution?

history buff 5:21 PM EST
"2. ... First, most driving is done on city streets or secondary roads & 70 rarely occurs. ... Furthermore some cars are geared to optimally utilize their torque curve at 70"

The problem with your analysis is that you're thinking about automobiles driving around in and near cities. In fact, long-haul trucks would be much more affected by the lower speed limits, and they burn fuel like crazy. You're also not thinking about secondary effects like people driving less because it takes longer and trucking companies putting their trailers on railroad cars to get them there faster and cheaper.

"3. Of the misc. 6 "non-solutions" you tout, ... you imply that they are SHORT-TERM solutions"

No I don't; that's absurd. An SPS at the Earth-Sun L2 point as a SHORT-TERM solution? A space elevator?

to Roopsag
Hey dude, I went back and reread the statements about 55 mph vs 70 mph, and found that I was right the first time, and was agreeing with you. The way that the article led with Bob:.....I became confused and genuinely apologize for demeaning you.

I found your original post on this issue, and also made the mistake of thinking you are a liberal. Again my apologies. Calling somebody a liberal if they are not is a huge insult to their morals and to their intelligence.

Jerome Ennis in Tuscaloosa, Alabama

As for myself, I was once married to a newspaper editor, who was ultra-liberal and for a time, I bought into that nonsense and wanted to go out and save the world and defend the poor, underprivileged, deprived, and discriminated against "victims." We had demonstrations, planning meetings, and programs of some sort all the time. I really believed that we could and would make a difference. Then, one day, I woke up and realized what a crock this was. I began to see the so-called victims for what they were. They were not the least bit invested in our efforts. They never helped us help them. They were lazy and victims of their own lack of motivation and willingness to let the government take care of them. Then, I also ran across some Communist publications and began reading the stuff in there and realized that we "Well-Meaning, good intentioned Liberal Democrats were spouting The Exact Same Messages As Hard Core Communists in their effort to Take Over the world and Put It Under A World Communist Dictatorship."


Roopsag from A Reformed Liberal (cont.)
Again my apologies. Calling somebody a liberal if they are not is a huge insult to their morals and to their intelligence.

As for myself, I was once married to a newspaper editor, who was ultra-liberal and for a time, I bought into that nonsense and wanted to go out and save the world and defend the poor, underprivileged, deprived, and discriminated against "victims." We had demonstrations, planning meetings, and programs of some sort all the time. I really believed that we could and would make a difference. Then, one day, I woke up and realized what a crock this was. I began to see the so-called victims for what they were. They were not the least bit invested in our efforts. They never helped us help them. They were lazy and victims of their own lack of motivation and willingness to let the government take care of them. Then, I also ran across some Communist publications and began reading the stuff in there and realized that we "Well-Meaning, good intentioned Liberal Democrats were spouting The Exact Same Messages As Hard Core Communists in their effort to Take Over the world and Put It Under A World Communist Dictatorship."

It is amazing at how Conservative you become when you really figure out What Asking The Government To Solve Perceived Social Problems does. The Government creates Bureaucracies that become their own empires and the Perceived Social Problems never Improve. They Are guaranteed to Grow Worse and numbers of Victims grows as the Government Agency Goes Out and Recruits new Victims Daily to Make their Power, and Influence grow. The U.S.S.R. had this model and it finally crumbled under it's own weight. We are close to that level now.

Drill yes...but...
Yes, let's drill, but as someone has aptly pointed out drilling alone is not going to solve our problem. Right now our ancient refineries are working at close to full capacity. We even have to import some of our refined gasoline. Congress and some environmentalists have sat on this one too. It takes years to get a new refinery through all the stifling regulations, built, and up and running. We also need to get rid of some of our hysteria about nuclear power plants and get some of those going.

Greyhawk - no problem
Understood - the most passionate conservatives I know are lib/commie converts.

I do know some intelligent liberals - but they don't really think things through. For example - the WALL-E movie commentary (another on TH) was one I was trying to write. What liberals cartoonishly see as a consequence of conservatism (corporatism to the point that corporations run the government, waste and pollution) are really logical consequences of extreme liberalism. In fact - they fight really hard to get there.

The consequences of imposing high costs on employers leads to pricing out competitors to big business - and leaves those businesses to do government's bidding. There is no more wasteful sector than government - which really would leave piles of trash taller than skyscrapers and leave waste to the earth. The most contaminated parts on the planet are government projects. And finally - in the quest to help the infirmed, they weaken everyone - because they cannot tell the difference between the needy and greedy.

Trucks do have a lower speed limit
Bob M - look at road signs again - trucks are limited more than passenger cars already. If it saved significant money - they would do it themselves already without a national speed limit reduction, as gas is a MAJOR cost for truckers.

Truckers are already sharpening pitchforks on this issue.

I do agree with you though that balancing the budget would have the best long term impact - but still would not get us out of the mess entirely. It needs to be balanced generationally - we have simply promised more government than we can afford with just two programs - SS and Medicare. The unfunded mandate is so big that it would be impossible to fulfill and balance the budget. We would have to either double taxes or cut benefits in half - or just default via inflation like we are doing.

Roopsag 8:11 PM EST
"look at road signs again - trucks are limited more than passenger cars already."

Only 12 states do that, and the difference is typically only 5 mph and not applied on all roads. Only two states -- CA and IL -- slow trucks down to 55. Your state slows them from 70 to 60; haven't you ever been in any other states?

The point is to slow everybody to 55 and ENFORCE IT. If you've ever been on I-81 going through West Virginia, you KNOW those trucks aren't keeping it below 70. Or 80.

"If it saved significant money - they would do it themselves already without a national speed limit reduction, as gas is a MAJOR cost for truckers"

Nope, the economics don't work out. A truck driver makes more money by going faster and burning more gas, because he's paid by the mile and only allowed to drive so many hours a day/week. For trucking companies, the dominate cost is the lifetime cost of the equipment, not the gas it burns. The more mass they can move over that lifetime, the more money they make.

"The unfunded mandate is so big that it would be impossible to fulfill and balance the budget."

Clinton balanced the budget just seven years ago. Has Bush made that impossible in such a short time?

Sen Warner (R-Va) Calls for 55 Speed Lim
Quote:
An influential Republican senator suggested Thursday that Congress might want to consider reimposing a national speed limit to save gasoline and possibly ease fuel prices.

Warner cited studies that showed the 55 mph speed limit saved 167,000 barrels of oil a day, or 2 percent of the country's highway fuel consumption, while avoiding up to 4,000 traffic deaths a year.

The [DoE] Web site says that fuel efficiency decreases rapidly when traveling faster than 60 mph. Every additional 5 mph over that threshold is estimated to cost motorists "essentially an additional 30 cents per gallon in fuel costs," Warner said in his letter, citing the DOE data.
Endquote.

Immediate Solutions
Sorry 55 mph just does not get it. I go from 19.9 mpg taking the kids to school and picking them up to 16.3 mpg by time I get back home.
Now I go from 55 to 70 I get 25.9 to 29.9 mpg's. So this 55 only is a bunch of BS.
I like so many on this thread, is to get the Democrats out of office in November. Tell the greens to take a flying leap. If you can't help fix it get out of the way so we can.
The Democrats have had fifty years to screw things up with the help all of their liberal friends. It is time we tell them to go home and shut up.

Bob Munck 11:18 AM writes:
“That's 6.4 euros per gallon. Do you know what it was a year ago in euros? We were at $2.95 a gallon a year ago and $4.10 now, an increase of 39%. I'd very much like to know how much it has increased there.”

Bob,

Sorry for the late reply.

I don’t have any records of last year’s prices. I almost always pay cash for goods here. There’s 1% currency transfer fee by US credit card companies so I avoid using them. And I lack the discipline to keep a ledger. I’d guess we were paying around five to six dollars a gallon this time last year.

The Italians have cut their fuel consumption by around 2% in the past few months; quite an accomplishment from a nation driving mostly compact and diesel vehicles. The average speed limits on the autostrada range from 100 to 130kph (62 – 81mph) depending on road conditions and terrain. Limits are seldom enforced.

In the absence of enforcement, it’s the costs of fuel and your intelligence quotient that determines how fast you go.

If you’re young, stupid, and rich, you drive your Mercedes at 170+kph. If you’re a retired guy driving a 10 year-old 4-Runner, you set the cruise control at 70mph. If you drive 55mph on the autostrada, your chances of getting rear-ended are very, very real.

I suppose in one sense, the Italians enjoy more freedom (less regulation) than we do when it comes to driving. However, the massive fuel tax more than makes up for a lack of law enforcement and is just another form of government regulation. Ten dollar a gallon gas will slow down the average driver quicker than the threat of any ticket.

Let the Dummycrats ride bicycles
Some voters sent those Dummycrats to Congress to REPRESENT THE NATIONS INTERESTS. Does anyone believe that the nation is ready to ride bicycles and revert to having goods transported by ox cart? Where in the hell do they think they have any right or authority to change this country into a third world one just to make them FEEL better.

INTHENOW 5:01 AM EST
"I’d guess we were paying around five to six dollars a gallon this time last year"

Really? That would mean your gasoline price has DOUBLED in a year, the equivalent of our price going up to $5.90/gal by now.

It's likely that a great many more of your food and other necessities and your people travel by rail than here, meaning that a rise in the cost of gas would have less effect on the overall cost of living. Or maybe that doubling was mostly a rise in the tax rate on automobiles only. And of course your taxes could be proportional to price rather than per gallon, which would make a rise in the base price have a larger effect on pump price. Those all seem relatively trivial, so I'm at a loss in hearing that your gas price went up so much.

Wait, the Euro has gone from $1.36 to $1.57 in that year, so that would account for some of it. You would have been paying 3.68 to 4.41 euros per gallon a year ago and €6.40 now. Still, that's a much larger increase than I expected, the equivalent of us paying $4.30 to $5.13 now.

Sit-In
I suggest that we have a sit-in. A hundred thousand Americans going to Washington and sitting down in front of the Capitol until the libs pass a bill to drill here, drill now.

That isn't a whole lot of people when you come to think of it, that many assemble in Happy Valley for a Penn State football game.
And the cops would have a rough time trying to evict 100,000 people from the steps of the Capitol.

Forty years ago, many of the libs in Congress did much the same thing for other purposes, many of them un-American; why can't we, for something that is very patriotic?

Balanced budget
Bob: "Clinton balanced the budget just seven years ago. Has Bush made that impossible in such a short time?"

A single year or a few will not help - even if we did it for a decade - it will just not hurt as bad.

I seriously doubt the budget would have been balanced had we not been in an economic bubble (see bigcharts.com and look up all data for DJIA or SP500 and you will see what a bubble looks like). The government is not that competent.

Furthermore - though it is certainly possible to balance the budget, it will increasingly become less possible over time as "non-discretionary" spending will outstrip the mathematics that make it possible. There are only three possibilities or some combination of the three - none of them will make growth in the US likely in the future: 1) raise taxes to support the spending, 2) cut the spending, 3) inflate our way out.

BTW - you kind of made my point about truckers going 55 - it will be costly to them - a 55 speed limit is not without cost - and benefit is dubious.

Munck--wrong again
Bob Munck Reply #15 Jul 4, 2008 6:20 PM

history buff [H1] = previous post [H2] = this one
[H1]"2. ... First, most driving is done on city streets or secondary roads & 70 rarely occurs. ... Furthermore some cars are geared to optimally utilize their torque curve at 70"

[Munck]The problem with your analysis is that you're thinking about automobiles driving around in and near cities. In fact, long-haul trucks would be much more affected by the lower speed limits, and they burn fuel like crazy. You're also not thinking about secondary effects like people driving less because it takes longer and trucking companies putting their trailers on railroad cars to get them there faster and cheaper.

[H2]Wrong. I’m not analyzing only “automobiles driving around in and near cities.” I analyzed the entire spectrum, whereas your “55” addressed only the narrow niche of interstate rural trucking. Only 1.8% of all miles driven in the U.S. are by large box or semi-trailer trucks on rural interstates, where they would be able to travel at 70 rather than 55 (not even counting the large states like Calif. that already prohibit 70 on rural interstates). Trucks do NOT travel at 70 in cities or on rural secondary roads. As I previously stated, the overall effect of 55 is quite minor. To say nothing of OTHER costs (longer trips, more drivers, more overnights, more meals) driving up consumer costs on products. Interstate trucks would save more gas by aerodynamic improvement than by 55 limit.

[H1]"3. Of the misc. 6 "non-solutions" you tout, ... you imply that they are SHORT-TERM solutions"

[Munck]No I don't; that's absurd. An SPS at the Earth-Sun L2 point as a SHORT-TERM solution? A space elevator?

[H2]Thanks for conceding your idea is absurd! Reagan’s article was about SHORT-TERM action, and you threw in an idea that could not possibly have any effect for 50 years. Pay attention to the issue.

We must
vote OUT liberals and vote IN courageous and conservative men and women to Congress who will have the gonads to stand up to these $%(!)#^ cowardly, greedly liberals!

Wake up, America!!

Get mad, take action to right the ship. It is We The People who can and MUST stop this selling out of our country!


PrimaVolta Reply#102
I suppose you're patting yourself on the back thinking you're smarter than the next guy. So many words, so little said. Now, what's your point again?
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