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Wednesday, June 04, 2008
Michael Reagan :: Townhall.com Columnist
Is This Our Future?
by Michael Reagan
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Two Christian preachers were stopped from handing out Bible tracts by police officers because they were in a Muslim neighborhood in England.

According to British news reports, the preachers were told by a Muslim community support police officer in Birmingham that attempting to convert Muslims to Christianity is a hate crime.

They were warned that if they came back and were beaten up, it would be their fault, not that of the thugs who beat them.

"He said we were in a Muslim area and were not allowed to spread our Christian message," one of the preachers said. "He said we were committing a hate crime by telling the youths to leave Islam and said that he was going to take us to the police station." The officer threatened, “If you come back here and get beaten up, well you have been warned."

Remember, this was not in the Middle East. It was a neighborhood in Birmingham, England, a nation whose official church is the Church of England, a Christian denomination.

The preachers were Americans who have lived in England for many years and they were obeying Christ's command to preach the Gospel to all mankind and not merely to those who are not offended by hearing His message of love. It's called freedom of speech. Except in England where it is a hate crime to preach in what have become “no-go” areas for Christian preachers.

It gets worse. British columnist Melanie Phillips reported an attack on the Rev. Michael Ainsworth by three Muslim youths in his own East London churchyard. She wrote that it was far from the first such attack in the area. Indeed, she wrote, "There appear to have been many attacks on vicars or churches by Muslims who are clearly intent on turning east London into a no-go area for Christians."

Phillips recalled another attack on the church, where families were showered with glass when a brick was thrown through a window during a service. Allan Ramanoop, a member of the Parochial Church Council, told her that parishioners are often too scared to challenge the gangs.

On one occasion, youths shouted: "This should not be a church, this should be a mosque, you should not be here."

Said Ramanoop, "I just walked away from it -- you are too frightened to challenge them. We have church windows smashed two to three times a month. The youths are anti-Christian."

The Reverend Alan Green said it was the latest in a series of “faith hate” crimes in the borough. “There are one or two incidents of faith hate every month across the borough and across all faiths.”

Talk about hate crimes.

The real tragedy lies in the fact that governments all over the western world are not only turning a blind eye to Muslim efforts to establish communities ruled by Sharia -- Muslim law -- in defiance of established national law, but are enacting laws that would punish those who place their nation's traditional interests above those of a foreign faith.

We're going to see more of this as you see governments kowtowing to Muslim extremists.

The more you see the Muslim influence coming into the United States the more you are going to see Muslims demanding and getting laws defining the promotion of Christianity to Islamists as a hate crime that will get you tossed in the slammer.

Don't tell me what happened in London can't happen here. It can and it will. It's called Jihad, and it's world-wide.

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just waiting
for the usual suspects to come in here and say:

1. Its not freedom of speech if the people don't want to hear it.
2. This is another 'nothing to it' story cooked up by some neocons/rabid Christians.
3. They wouldn't have such a hard time if Christians weren't killing Islamic fanatics.

Oh yeah, then Knight will show up and call all religion dumb because he knows...well everything.

This is frightening.....
You bet your butt this could happen here. This is why we need to keep up the fight for our freedoms. The people of England should carry guns to help defend themselves......Oh wait.....the liberals won't let that happen either.

Idiot Brits
Have the Brits thrown out all their history books?? This looks like a repeat of the 15th and 16th centuries. How stupid they have been to allow this to happen to their country. These Muslims are like Rats let them get a hold and you will play hell getting rid of them.

Excellent column Mr. Reagan!
Our liberals running both Houses of Congress WILL allow this fiasco to occur here. If BHO becomes President, look out...The liberals will own 2 of our 3 branches, and with Reid not doing his job to hire Bush's judicial nominee's, it won't be long before the Judiciary will be run by liberals, after the Marxist's have a strangle hold on all REAL Americans, thats when the Jihad will come in...As much as us Conservatives dis-like McCain, think of it as a vote AGAINST Obama, not FOR McCain...We can survive McCain for 4 years, can we survive 4 years of liberal, Marxists/Jihadis? I don't want to try!

Here's how it will go
Muslim violence will increase. The liberal tendency to mutualize ALL religions as being contentious will increase. Then it will be generalized that religion is bad. Eventually, there will be a decision to make all religion illegal in interest of world peace. There will be a call for worldwide submission to a one world bureaucratic government. That's where all this is going, and rather quickly.

Be religious
Fight fire with fire.
Take your cue from good 'ol Pat O'Brien, may he rest in peace.
There is no reason Christians should refrain from self defense.

........
----They were warned that if they came back and were beaten up, it would be their fault, not that of the thugs who beat them.----

The "Great" in Britain was buried long ago. They deserve their fate; I just hope the quisling liberal men are forced to wear a burqa as well.

Reciprocate or leave
Now that we have been gracious hosts to Moslem people who have come here to live among us, we now must expect the Muslim world to reciprocate and be gracious hosts to our Christians and peoples of other faiths who emigrate to live peacefully among them.

If Muslim nations refuse to be gracious hosts, then we should suspend our own hospitality.

Muslim hospitality now should extend
to the point of allowing Christians and other people of faith into Muslim countries, and not permit anyone to harm them while they are doing evangelical work.

This won't happen unless we first begin prosecuting any Muslims here in the west who threaten evangelists in our own countries.

Muslims may slam their doors on evangelists, tell them to get lost, and say impolite words to them, criticise them, argue with them, or refuse to speak with them, just like anyone else can, but they CANNOT
be allowed to harm them, as it appears is happening.

Any Muslim country that does not protect religious evangelists within its borders should have all of its expatriot Muslim emigrants deported
back home as a reprisal. So if
Saudi Arabia, for example, doesn't protect Christian evangelists doing evangelical work inside Saudi Arabia, then all Saudi Moslems in the US should be deported back to Saudi Arabia. And so on for any other inhospitable Muslim nation.


Michael
The only thing missing in your article was the "Drum".Everyone in England knows who the outside "Agitators" are,so please don't insult our intelligence.I think the British people,who have handled themselves with class in the past can handle this!There are many people who are former Muslims,who are now practicing Christians.This is in the face of the fact,that just a few years ago,such conversion would be deadly.I would suggest that you don't judge England with an American sense of justice.Sometimes it's better to mine your own business!!!Try it,you'll like IT...

Refugees
Here in Michigan we have the highest Muslim population...and I just found out we just received another 20,000 muslim iraqi refugees.

It is getting scary here and Muslim mosque are being built everywhere here in Michigan

Sooo.....
It's only a hate crime when non-muslims promote their religion? Yeah, that's a real tolerant attitude. (she said sarcastically.)

I guess "some animals are more equal than others". ("Animal Farm")

***** 5 star article Michael Reagan!

Let's See It
It's good that Europeans are being assaulted by Muslims. In this way we'll get to see what's going to happen to us when we let in Third World barbarians, make them extraordinary residents who get all the benefits and are not required to comply with our laws, elevate them to special victim status and make the majority subservient to them, and show them that they are immune from our laws but that we have to obey their customs.

I'm very disappointed that this carnage is not happening in England and Europe now. What's the hold up? Come on you Muslim devils. Get on with it.

I'm eagerly waiting for scenes on cable TV of Europeans being butchered and enslaved. Maybe there's a chance even fat, stupid delusional and mentally lazy Americans will look at those images and perhaps ponder their future enough to politely, timidly and humbly ask their elected leaders to perhaps change things. I'm not optimistic they'll do so, but there' a chance.


Sick of being sick
I am sick and tired of the Muslims crying foul because people want to preach their religion. SO in this case, it becomes a hate crime. But what about the Muslims calling for all Muslims to convert non-Muslims? That is called freedom of speech? I am sick and tired of walking on eggshells in order to not offend the itty bitty little helpless Muslims....Good Grief....Christians preach the word of God, not Muhamed, who wants to kill the non-Muslims...It's time to take a stand and end this crap...

The Citizens of Great Britain...
are already demanding their guns back. Go to my blog site (punch my name above) and scroll down to my article of May 18, 2008: "The Citizens of Great Britain Want Their Guns Back".

There is also an address of a video showing the largest peaceful demonstration in British history. The members of the demonstration? Just average citizens who no longer feel safe and those who would like to hunt.

(I believe the demonstration occurred in late April or early May of this year.)

JD's Son: Don't worry about the citizens of Mississippi. We aren't giving our guns up and we will fight to protect our families and our property. Check some of the reports from the Mississippi Gulf Coast 2 to 5 days after Katrina.


Self Defense
I know that in the UK you have no right to any form of self defense, but where I live you could easily be shot for throwing a brick through someone's window.

Why Muslims succeed
Muslims are making inroads into Western society because they use us against us. We have laws, standards of behavior, a nature of tolerance and a propensity for forgiveness. They don't. Any question?

Frontier justice
The problem in the UK is that British subjects have been completely wussified, more or less on a par with MA or CA. If Ahmed bin Thejigizup and gang try their anti-Church activities in this part of the country, they'll get to join those beloved virgins via a dose frontier justice.

Nothing that I didn't know already
This is something I already knew. All anyone has to do is go to youtube and you can see protesters in Britain and other countries in the UK screaming for the destruction of those countries and other EU countries. It's all right on youtube, go and see for yourself the hatred these people have for us and the EU. The people who posted the videos are trying to get our (America's) attention. But we are not paying attention, we're watching American Idol and Desperate Housewives and going to see "Sex in the City."

Wake up people, we are going to lose this country. (go to youtube and type in Muslims protesting in Britain and many videos will come up, you'll be shocked and dismayed by what you see).

Grey Ghost
I hope and pray you're right, Grey Ghost. Too many Americans have become grass eaters, waiting for the slaughter.

Anyone who hasn't done so by now should go immediately out and buy a military autoloader before this country becomes the Western Nation of Zimbabwe.

PS. 8th Georgia Troops, December 1861 to March 1864, Walker County Georgia.

folks
"The preachers were Americans who have lived in England for many years and they were obeying Christ's command to preach the Gospel to all mankind and not merely to those who are not offended by hearing His message of love. It's called freedom of speech. Except in England where it is a hate crime to preach in what have become “no-go” areas for Christian preachers."

What were yanks doing in the UK? I know that UK Christians have had to resort to second or third world people to preach. Does this mean we are now second world?

JD's Best Looking Son/Grey Ghost
"Reply # 21
...I hope and pray you're right, Grey Ghost. Too many Americans have become grass eaters, waiting for the slaughter."

There you folks go bad mouthing the troops again... sad real sad

"Anyone who hasn't done so by now should go immediately out and buy a military autoloader before this country becomes the Western Nation of Zimbabwe."

Now granted the extreme right has tried but we are not Zimbabwe yet. You little chickenhawks are soooo amusing (YAWN)

"PS. 8th Georgia Troops, December 1861 to March 1864, Walker County Georgia. "

Rebels all....

all you
frightened and terrified righties are so amusing and yet tiresome....yawn

I am off to bed but folks buy all the weapons you want but not a one of you seem to have the stomach to use one face to face with an armed enemy... A whole different ball game and trust me you don't have the equipment. LMAO

Nite all and be well

Where are the heads of the churches?
You should have never allowed this to happen. You as Englishman are from all practical purposes Christian people enough of this Muslim radical garbbage. Stand up for what is right! If you allow this to keep happening they will take over completely. Then what will you do? Your own country will sieze to exist in the way that you know it. You have seen what happens in radical muslim countries beware! You have to stand up to the gangs for it is the younger generation that is pulling your strings. And that police office should not have his job for freedom of speech in your country as always been allowed. He should be standing up for you as well if he is a police office.

Hal, to whom are you referring?
I know I'm not the only one here who has been downrange more than once, used lethal force and lived to tell about it. Been there, done that, have to scars to prove it. But your comment made me think of this quote, which may be applicable to your way of thinking...

"The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." -- John Stuart Mill

Dan
"Muslims are making inroads into Western society because they use us against us. We have laws, standards of behavior, a nature of tolerance and a propensity for forgiveness. They don't. Any question?"

Yeah, how does it feel to be a simpleton and bigot?

Muslims don't have standards of behavior? A nature of tolerance? Propensity to forgive?

Do they eat with utensils? Are they capable of rational thought? Who knows.

Some "great" questions for you.

Birmingham or Birmingstan?
We should have learned from Chamberlain's mistake at Munich 70 years ago: appeasing fascists only emboldens them.

standards of behavior
in #27 You and whose army writes: "...Muslims don't have standards of behavior? A nature of tolerance? Propensity to forgive? Do they eat with utensils? Are they capable of rational thought? Who knows?"


1. They do have standards of behavior, which are exceedingly stringent for women, but not for men - especially those from the right tribes - who can return from Thailand with STDs or whatever and get away with it.

2. Nature of tolerance? Please - obviously not.

3. The Koran teaches forgiveness, and they are most willing to forgive past wrongs if you repent (i. e. convert).

4. At Formal banquets, no utensils other than a knife to cut up the goat. The rice is made sticky so they can ball it up. Make sure you lean on your left arm so that hand doesn't touch any food.

5. Very capable of rational thought. They just start with very, very different premises than we do.

6. Who knows? I grew up in Saudi Arabia, so I figure I've got as good a shot as anyone here.


My point? Muslims have a very different culture than ours, and they WILL come over here and subjugate us if we let them.

Calling Dan a bigot doesn't change that fact.

Trudy Rubin
Trudy Rubin, Philadelphia Inquirer, who has a goofy and naive idea about inviting hordes of Iraqi students to study in the US, should read this. The precondition to allowing any more Middle-Eastern immigrants in the West should be that they straighten out the Jihad mess in the Muslim world first.

The Real Question
The question is…”Were the attacks on Christian churches and ministers considered hate crimes as well?”. Mr. Reagan does not include that in the column.

Could this happen here Mr. Reagan asks, The answer to that question is self-evident and on a much broader issue with far more negative impact, only it is not yet within the religious realm. That realm is in the U.S. arena of hate crimes and is only considered for race at present, but the libs are very busy trying to add sexual preference.

You see, any time you engender “hate crimes” in which some bureaucrat has the authority to determine the state of mind of a defendant much mischief can be done. In this country, currently blacks charged with “hate crimes” against whites are so few that you would think that the radical racists on the black side of the fence do not exist. As we see in O’Vomit’s former preacher and that congregation that we “just don’t understand” we know that is not true. The truth is that blacks who commit what is legally classified as a hate crime are almost never charged, while whites will charged of hate crimes based solely on the fact that they committed a crime against a black.

This is the real danger that we face. We have federal hate crimes and more and more States are passing hate crime legislation at the behest of racist organizations like the NAACP.

That is why I ask the question early on how the other side was enforced. So yes Mr, Reagan it could happen here and is already happening, it just goes under a different label.

Sounds like Israel
GM. Try doing the same in Israel. They are not very keen on Christians handing out bibles or spreading the Gospel of Christ.

come to Dearborn, Mich.
Dearborn has been and still is the muslims' stronghold in the US. They have the longest history of settlement here in Dearborn.

When their numbers were still small, they acclimated/assimilated to Western/American customs, values, traditions, dress, sports, diet, etc., however as open immigration has increased their numbers significantly since the early 1990's, more and more aspects of fundamentalist-sharia Islam is making it's presence known.

Now our schools are days off quite often for their (seemingly every other week) holy days, schools have removed pork products from lunches lest we offend the local Imams and of course you see more and more young women wrapped in bizarre dress - right out of the 7th century, walking a few paces behind their husband or father or brother.

And the diversity/multi-culti liberals say......(nothing), for their goal is the same as the Muslims: Tear down traditional American culture by way of mass immigration and lack of assimilation.

Remember folks, Islam is not just another religion. Its also very much a political ideology.

lets be fair or sane
if i take a swastika and march down the streets of say Skokie, illinois (a prediominately Jewish neighborhood) i certainly would seen to have the righ to do so. however if aomeone tells me that it would be better if ididnt do this, and even if theat person is acting in an official capacity (say a cop) then it would be better for my safety if i stopped doing what im doing you could legitimately be acccused of inciting to riot and extreme stupidity and nuttiness. however this sholdnt stop you. keep on doing what you are doing and the people around you will keep on doing what they are going to do. what hospital do you wish to go to. . this is not different than the christian ministers. were they sober.

If I understood "Youandwhosearmy"--
You seemed to be claiming that ANY criticism of the negative tendencies built into Muslim culture equals a mindless bigotry which denies the very humanity of Muslims. If that IS what you meant, either you are tragically ignorant, or (still more tragically) you KNOW that your own claim is NOT true, and are lying on purpose. I hope it's only ignorance. Muslim propagandists use the same line to play victim even as THEY are doing the REAL victimizing. It is a well-established Muslim doctrine that you're allowed to lie to the infidels to get them off guard.

Of course there are many good Muslims; I lived next door to some for years, and was never worried about them. But they are good people precisely BECAUSE they DON'T follow the Islamic rules too strictly.

MRCMRC
Read the article again.

They were threatened with arrest.

By the way, thanks for at least using upper case letters for the words "Skokie" and "Jewish."

Name Your Enemy
If you can't name your enemy, you cannot defeat it.

Islam began with genocide, and the Koran calls (screams) for it. The only Muslims who are civilized are the ones who don't take their religion too seriously.

The most dangerous trend in western governments is their cowardice in denying the truth about the enemy. Even John McCain declared he was fighting for the soul of Islam, as if he could erase the Koran's demand for world domination.

It's already happening here
Taxi drivers that won't pick up passengers based on their religion in Minniapolis

Foot baths for Muslims in public buildings

Muslim only periods for gymnasium use at Yale

Wake up people.

Meg - don't drink the Kool Aid
If this tape/DVD were as widely available as your post suggests, there is no possible way it would not already be in wide circulation on the internet already. This alledged video is a hoax, and nothing more. You believe it bacause you so WANT to believe it, but a little rational reflection will tell you it's a false story.

Get to know some Brits
I have had the pleasure of knowing and working with a number of Brits. It would be a big mistake to underestimate their courage. There is a reason such a small island was able to build a world wide empire. The muslims stir them at their own peril.

For Bill (#40)
There is one factor that you forgot to mention however. Brits in past DID NOT copy horrendously-bad policies from a former colony (specifically, Canada's "multiculturalism").

svpallava (#41)
Thank you for the correction. Canada has made a wild blunder on multiculturalism.
However, I was speaking more of the fighting spirit that stirs yet in the Brits, which is very different from some of their unfortunate policies of appeasement in recent years. And on that subject I should also give the Canadians some credit, too.

Hate Speech
I just read that Bridget Bardot was fined $23,000 in France for protesting the killing of sheep in a Muslim ceremony. Her language was "hate talk" due to the fact that the Muslims were conducting a religious ceremony. It appears that in France and England that certain talk is not allowed.

I'm just waiting for Congress to rule that Freedom Of Speech is only a phrase meaning someone ELSE has the right to say what he pleases about your religion but you don't have the right to say the same thing about his.

Today in Texas:
There was a story in today's paper about a principal being removed from his/her position for allowing a Muslim 101 introduction to be presented to about 800 middle schoolers. But a similar Christian speech wasn't allowed due to the attempt to spread the Christian religion. The introduction was to "familarize the Christian students with Islam and the fact that it is really a peaceful religion."

The principal was removed due to the parental outcry but not because the school felt it was wrong.

Yes, Michael right you are?
Yes, Michael Reagan a good job, preaching a Sermon against the Muslim world! However, now he needs to go in defense of Christians in Iraq while America is there shooting that place to pieces for no other reason but to protect America's ever more insane thirst and hunger for oil so that America's highway and byways become even more of forced parking lost of ever bigger monster with one person driving to work.

Yes, Christians are fleeing from Iraq while many have been killed! Yes, while America is already the mass grave of over 50+ million of murdered unborn babies with the butcher shop adding daily thousands more, right? Yes, this while George W. always demands God's blessings upon America, with out excluding excluding the butcher shops. Vow, America the Nation under God and claims to trust in God?

Yes, in Ron Paul it was God's last call for America to repent and get back on track in full obedience to God and the Founding Fathers, is my conviction as a legal immgrant of 52 years and a stauch conservative Christian Republican. Yes, Michael Reagan, this is my sermon as Chritian to the nation that is now a murderous nation of the complete innocent ones. With no apalogy whatsoever!

its called mob rule
Since England is a "civilized" country with no need for personal firearms or personal defense, for that matter, mobs will rule. In this case the mobs are the Muslim extremists.

Yes, Mike, this IS our future

We know that the question, is this our future, is rhetorical, but, have no doubts, it IS our future--THAT IS, if we let the libs/leftie control that aspect of American public discourse. The libs/lefties are dying to protect every minority from insults real and imagined FOR THE VOTES AND THE MONEY. The libs/lefties are common wh0res and have long lost the good of the American people as their inspiration.

Yes, Mike, this IS our future

We know that the question, is this our future, is rhetorical, but, have no doubts, it IS our future--THAT IS, if we let the libs/leftie control that aspect of American public discourse. The libs/lefties are dying to protect every minority from insults real and imagined FOR THE VOTES AND THE MONEY. The libs/lefties are common wh0res and have long lost the good of the American people as their inspiration.

This is why
we should bring home and our soldiers and their equipment from FDR's War before they are surrounded by the Islamo-fascist-terrorists. They could capture and deport the illegal aliens, partol our borders, and build the wall, paid for with the money presently going to protect Germany.

MRCMRC
-----if i take a swastika and march down the streets of say Skokie, illinois (a prediominately Jewish neighborhood) i certainly would seen to have the righ to do so. however if aomeone tells me that it would be better if ididnt do this, and even if theat person is acting in an official capacity (say a cop) then it would be better for my safety if i stopped doing what im doing you could legitimately be acccused of inciting to riot and extreme stupidity and nuttiness. however this sholdnt stop you. keep on doing what you are doing and the people around you will keep on doing what they are going to do.-----

So moron, what you’re saying is that you find violence to be a perfectly acceptable form of disagreement. Would you hold the same cowardly position if say homosexuals and liberals were routinely beat up in the streets here or in Britain? I doubt it. Listen closely you brain dead liberal fool, it is the responsibility of the police to protect law abiding citizens and not abrogate their duties due to political correctness or fear of muslims. If it were Christians beating up and threatening muslims you leftist queeers would be squealing for the police to step in.

And by the way idiotchild, as a Jew let me say that if you were to walk around with a swastika in a Jewish neighborhood nothing would happen to you, unless of course you crossed paths with me. When Synagogues are desecrated with swastikas and other obscenities do Jews go rioting and burning buildings? No they don’t.

Everyday liberals prove their ignorance and cowardice knows no bounds.

......
---They could capture and deport the illegal aliens, partol our borders, and build the wall, paid for with the money presently going to protect Germany.---

Keep dreaming. Our political whores in DC have absolutely no interest in doing the things you propose. Are you under the impression the DC Jackals are concerned with what's best for the nation and citizenry? Get real.

OBAMA SUPERSTAR
Where is the problem? BO can sing a few stanzas of "Imagine" over tea with radical mullahs and the "Religion of Peace" will instantly halt its 1400 year jihad in which over 200 million infidels have been slaughtered.

Go Back to the Middle East
If the Muslims don't like the other religions, then GO HOME! The British Government should step in and do something about these threats and acts of violence. They are not living in the Middle East, so lay down the law chaps. This is your country not theirs. You make the rules not them!

patriotic
Re my last post change sing and stanzas to recite and verses. Stanzas is the wrong word and radical mullahs are not much into music. I don't want Barack to tick them off at the onset.

Don't give up
Onward Christian soldiers!It's time to fight.

Unarmed peasants
The people of England have allowed themselves to become unarmed peasants.

That is why that sort of thing can happen there.

It will never happen here.

They may find me dead, but they'll find me surounded by expended brass.

Wrong On BOTH Sides
Of course, initiating violence against ANYBODY is (or should be) a crime under law.

However, TASTE if not law should inform folks that it is simply NOT OK to shove your own views onto others in public places!

Please, people, keep your religion where it belongs: between you and your God/ess/s and other folks who either already share your faith or are at least vocally open to learning about it.

Regards,
"Republitarian" Atheist & proud military wife

When it started!
In 1928, all this started with the communist
manafacto, which everyone of that time knew
about, but no citizen took issue with. That
was the beginning of the end! It was the birth
of "outside" enemy elements beginning their
efforts and plans to destroy the USA and the
freedom of government that was established in
the early days of this nation by those who gave
their fortunes and lives because of their love
for feedom. It will all be gone soon.

Good Intelligence
The story illustrates that the towelheads cannot stand freedom of religion. They have to have that caliphate. A place hermetically sealed from our superior culture. If they do not have that, their coercive proselyting here will be of no avail.

With both American and Israel in the mideast,we have the superior capabilities. Keep it up.

Spike
In other words, in your opinion, Christians are not permitted to practice their faith? You see, We have this command of our Lord to preach the Gospel to every creature. OF course you are free to tell them to get lost.

Saltydog:
OF COURSE you're "permitted."

Just don't whinge -- or, worse yet, respond with violence -- when folks object.

I am the LAST person on the planet to defend militant Muslims; my husband has served two tours in Iraq as a combat medic patching up Marines who defend the right to speak out peacefully.

I just wonder if Jesus alive today would condone the shove-it-in-your-face brand of evangelism which some doctrinaire, uneducated Christians advocate.

Believe it or not, some of my best friends are Christians who understand that religion simply cannot be bludgeoned into anyone's head who isn't already willing to invite it in. Religionists of ANY stripe who refuse (as you seem to) to practice simple common interpersonal decency should be prepared for the hostility they encounter.

Respectfully,
"Republitarian" Atheist & Proud Military Wife


Saltydog, Take 2:
My active-duty military husband says I should give an example for clarity. Unlike many supposedly Christian women who do NOT in reality acknowledge their husband as the head of their household, I don't agree but will comply without demur.

Here goes:

Just as evangelical Christians "should" spread the Good Word, a host/hostess "should" pass the canapes. But that does NOT mean that when a guest clearly and empahtically says NO that the host/hostess has either the right or the obligation to tackle the guest, sit on his or her chest, and force-feed said canapes down the guest's throat.

Clear enough yet?

Respectfully,
"Republitarian" Atheist & Proud Military Wife
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