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Friday, October 05, 2007
Michael Reagan :: Townhall.com Columnist
People of Deceit
by Michael Reagan
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Nothing frightens those who peddle lies than the cold hard light of truth. They react to exposure of their deceits the way vampires react to a having a crucifix held up in front of them.

Ever since the birth of conservative talk radio and the Internet ended the liberals’ total monopoly over the news, the left has been simmering with impotence -- over the loss of their absolute control over what the Americans are allowed to see and hear, and their inability to do anything about it.

Time and again liberal attempts to sell the nation their shoddy goods have been frustrated when talk-radio hosts have taken to the airwaves and warned their millions of listeners that they were about to be taken to the cleaners.

It was not until the administration’s fatally flawed immigration reform bill that seemed destined for passage was derailed by army of angry voters recruited by talk radio hosts and conservative Internet Web sites that the left understood both the incredible power of the new media and their utter helplessness in the face of it.

Clearly something had do be done, they thought. So the left, led by the slimy Media Matters organization, began a counterattack using the liberals’ favorite weapon – the lie.

An innocuous remark by Fox’s Bill O’Reilly praising a famous Harlem restaurant was taken out of context by the liberal mainstream media which tried to ignite a firestorm, but the public wasn’t buying.

Then, when Rush Limbaugh spoke about men falsely claiming to be veterans of the Iraq war such as one, Jesse MacBeth, who told a pack of lies about his non-existent service in Iraq and whose deception had already been exposed days earlier by ABC's Charlie Gibson and Brian Ross, the left jumped on Rush falsely claiming that his attack on such phony soldiers was an attack on all Iraq war vets who criticize the war.

As Fox’s John Gibson said: “When MoveOn stepped on its own toes sliming Gen. Petraeus, [David] Brock of Media Matters swung into action looking for a conservative who would say something that could take the focus off MoveOn.

“Enter Rush Limbaugh and the ‘phony soldier’ discussion.” As Gibson noted, Media Matters was so anxious to get the stink off MoveOn they made up the Rush controversy.

It was a patently obvious lie – few Americans have been more supportive of the U.S. military than Rush Limbaugh – and, shamefully, Democrats such as Sen. Harry Reid who had to know how false the charge was, quickly bought into it.

The whole incident shows just how desperate the liberals have become. Without the new media to keep an eye on them, their failure to accomplish their stated goals since winning control of the Congress would have been covered up by the subservient mainstream media.

Those of us in talk radio and the Internet are the left’s worst nightmare – our monitoring of their activities had been shining the light of truth on their attempts to deceive the nation, and their current assault on the new media is failing as a result.

Like all Marxists, the liberals won’t stop trying to lie their way into power. As a result, they won’t stop trying to destroy the new media. First it was Bill O’Reilly, then it was Rush Limbaugh and who knows who’ll be next – Laura Ingraham, Mike Savage, me?

You can be certain they’ll find a new target, and just as certain that they’ll keep pushing for a new “fairness doctrine” or some other way to silence the opposition. And you can be certain that whatever target they pick they’ll be lying through their teeth when they attack.

They can’t help themselves. The truth is not in them.

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About The Author
Michael Reagan, the eldest son of Ronald Reagan, is heard daily by over 5 million listeners via his nationally syndicated talk radio program, “The Michael Reagan Show.”
Apparently the Dems agree with the quote
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” Joseph Goebbels

Ironic that with leftist discussion of bringing back "The Fairness Doctrine" to suppress conservative free speech on talk radio they are agreeing with a fascist. The further left the Dems allow themself to be pulled by their far left base they will resemble most the fascists that they hate. Our right to Freedom of speech doesn't end just right of center.

Scary
What's really scary is the Democrats keep moving toward the doctrine of the peoples socialist party and they don't even know it.

Semperfi/par
What do you mean "socialist party"? I ask this question and the closest thing I get is unions.

Funny to me
That every liberal I know (yes it pains me to know any) all listen to conservative talk radio. Why? I mean, I hate Air America, I for one wouldn't bother listening to it--I prefer to listen to things I ENJOY. Not liberals. They feel the need, as I was told, "To see how republicans are gonna spin it again this time. "
No wonder conservative radio is doing so well! 50% of the listeners are liberals!

Are they waiting for the "GOTCHA!" to get people like O'Reilly or Savage off the air? Honestly it will never ever happen. Whatever conservative they try to go after will only make them look more ridiculous. And really...they do look pretty stupid.

Listen to Hillary
You just have to listen to every Hillary speech or idea to confirm her socialism. She wants to take away the hard-earned money of not just the rich, but of everyone, for her sickening HillaryCare, her cholic baby bond, and who knows what else she has up her sleeve. And I mention her particularly because she is basically the leader of the Democrat/Socialist party ... or at least she's the lead puppet of Kos and MoveOn and the other leftists.

Re-Defeat Communisim - Stop Hillary!

Can't listen to Air America
Namely because it got kicked off the air here in Columbus. Used to be on 1230 AM. Now, instead of Stephanie Miller and her sidekick castrati every morning they play Laura Ingraham. Then Jim Rome, O'Reilly, Savage, etc.

I think 1230 AM decided at last that they wanted to make money. Air America had embarassingly long musical interludes mascarading as "bumper music", but it went on for so long you realized they didn't have a commercial to put there. And many of their commercials were of the "stop drinking and beating your wife" brand of public service announcements.

Yes, we conservatives own talk radio. Radio you can listen to while at work. Liberals own the vast wasteland that is daytime television. TV for shut-ins and losers and the unemployed.

No,
the worst liars in history was the Clinton administration in a dead heat with far left nutjobs of today.

The Press...George Soros' mercenaries?
I believe it was La Fontaine who wrote in reference to newspapers: "An abstract and brief chronicle of the times. Every editor of newspapers pays tribute to the Devil."

Rush can't get out of this one
Rush, and for that matter, the majority of TH columnists and readers, take as self-evident that any Iraq war vet who criticizes the war is a traitor, by definition. Real American soldiers are the guys who'll support anything said and done by their President, because that's what patriotic Americans are supposed to do. Now I'm not sure what you folks make of the retired flag officers who've said some critical things about Bush's war. I guess those guys woke up one morning, looked in the mirror, and said "Dude, today's the day. I'm going to violate my oath and become a traitor to the United States." That explains it, I think. Just remember: Americans support wars into which their President has gotten them; it's the American way.

lies of liberals and taint
liberals are modern day muslims. both lie as a course of normal discourse. Both deny facts, truths, history and humane values. So really a liberal is like a taint. Taint a muzzie yet taint a real caring person. islam is a toilet and both drink the sewage freely and with lust.

Don't be too sure
Don't feel too secure in a leftwing meltdown. Unless it reaches the MSM, there are a lot of Americans who will never hear about it.

The right must use every chance it gets to bring up the Democrats plan for Amnesty. If Hillary is elected, it is guaranteed that she will push it through. Don't listen to government estimates, it will be at least 100 million new Americans. It will devastate our criminal system, it will devastate any plans we have for conservation or resources, and finally, it will destroy this nation financially.

Hillary wants to dance around this question. SHe must be asked at every opportunity whether or not she will vote for it, how many illegals it will effect, and how she thinks it will fit for Democratic harangues to use less gas, paper and air. THis is an 80% issue. It can sink the dems, IF THE REPUBLICANS FOCUS ON IT.

WOW!
I am not particularily interested is Rush Limbaugh, do not listen to his show. I am a strong, strong supporter of truth, integrity, and honesty. Thus, I checked out the Democratic / liberal "charges" again him. From everything I can verify from two or more sources, these "charges" are totally a contemptable lie! Enough said!

Nick - not just dems on that
SCAMNESTY, Bush backed it too. Some Republicans were only FORCED by their constituents to change their vote.
North American Union (like European Union) is backed by many pols on both sides of the aisles.

Consider the Opportunity
Something to consider in the current onslaught of conservative talk radio. The people that the attacks are orchestrated against are successful “talkers” They are persuasive and compelling. Also, because of the nature of their profession they are quick and well versed on current affairs.
Consider now that conservative talk radio’s audience is affluent and educated. Therefore for a broadcaster to be successful he must speak up too his audience and persuade critics and supporters alike.
Now finally consider that the attacks will serve to motivate people to be curious regarding their targets. And people who otherwise have never listened to conservative talk radio will tune in to judge for themselves. I would expect a portion to the new listeners to be antagonist but persuadable. Also, there will be a portion of the new listeners who have not yet formed opinions regarding the issues. This last group can be persuaded and motivated. And in what appears will be a very close general election new converts will be a very potent force.
Remember when a heckler targets a comedian ... it’s the heckler who loses!

But wait, Capt'n
I thought Democrats were supposed to be the intellectual elitists? Now you are telling me that Republicans are better educated. There certainly is no evidence of that on townhall.com. Generally, I see Democrats being called hilarious names like Dimocrats and characterizations of us as being Nazis/Communists/Socialists/Islamofascist lovers. Real debate is pretty lacking. Case in point-any posts from Anne.

Also, Republicans have generally been strongest in the South over the past 30 years or more. Nothing against people in the South but it is not generally considered to be a bastion of intellect and wealth.

I generally listen to Air America and I am entirely confident that neither Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, Savage or Levin would never stand a chance in a debate against Thom Hartman or Randi Rhodes. But I do check all of those righties out on a pretty regular basis and what I usually hear is an audio version of this web site. There is very little real debate or argument. It is inflamed rhetoric designed to fire up the base, along with the daily talking points they must all get faxed to them. Throw in the usual bashing of the "liberal" media and that's the show. I really think these shows are just preaching to the choir and are not likely to win over people who are undecided or are not familiar with the bile they like to spew.

Interesting
You made some interesting points. First I will remind you that Rice University is in the South and so is William and Mary. Secondly, you have taken an interest in the dialog. And even though you have not been persuaded you have been exposed. Others who have less defined points of view are more likely to be open to persuasion.

I still think that attacks either from the right or left are counter productive. In the end one is spending more time attacking his opposition than supporting his own position. The last time I looked at a voting machine I did not find “None of the Above”.

Gestell
Did you listen to the show and hear the entire segment? He didn't say soldiers that diagree witht the war were phony soldiers. I heard it, I was listening. You are not outraged about it anyway if your concern about troops being denigrated and insulted were genuine you would also has taken Dick Durbin to task for comparing troop to Nazis, Harry Reid saying they can't win (thats a morale boost), Kerry for calling them stupid,and terrorist, Obama for in essence (traditional liberal line) baby-killers, Ted "lifeguard" Kennedy saying they commit hate-crimes, John Murtha calling the Marines murderers before they had a trial (they were aquitted). All this from a party whose statements about the war are the same as OBL, Ahamadinejad and other terrorist oraginzations, and gets terrorist endorsement during elections, and who as it has just come out that 1 in 5 thinks it would be good for the U.S. to lose this war. No protestations, why?

Badgerboy
A few things, you already are showing a bias, would you be calling it bile that is spewed if there is no bias? Also, have you considered that there may be truth in what is being said. The right doesn't have the monopoly on name-calling and hyped up rhetoric.

Gestell:
You are so clueless that you're in danger of being declared brain dead and having your organs made available for transplants.

Apparently you listen to a bunch of partisan hacks instead of listening to what Rush actually said. Its very easy to find. But then people would think you knew what you were talking about.

Badgerboy, Gestell, patriotic democrat
"...Generally, I see Democrats being called hilarious names like Dimocrats and characterizations of us as being Nazis/Communists/Socialists/Islamofascist lovers..."

If it walks like a duck; and quacks like a duck; guess what fellows...

badgerboy,patriotic??democrat & etc
The truth is a statement of FACT(S). now reread this or get a little kid to help you.
But it won't change the FACT that you come across as RABID DINGOS.

Liberals
Do you ever notice- the first liberal response is always shut the opposition up-. Wesley Clark
was quick to say Rush should be taken off Armed Forces Radio. Over this crontrived "phony soldiers". They dont want Fox News on the air.
Thye dont WANT debate just shut them up. Stalin would be proud.

The TRUTH
If the liberals got their way:
A We would be equal
1 Equally poor
2 Equally ignorant
3 Equally unable to defend ourselve either intellectually or
physically
B We would be kind
1 Kind to everybody except those productive and creative people
whose hard work has made life easier for all
2 Kind to the lowest human detritus because in the liberal mind
the lowest is equal to the best
C Tolerant
1 Tolerant of everything except opposing viewpoints
2 Tolerant because the opposite of tolerance is discrimination
which implies personal choice
D Non violent
1 Except for the all powerful government which can and will take
what is yours at the point of a gun
2 Non violent toward those who would wish to invade this
country because aren't they equal to us?
E Equality redux
1 The liberal elite would be more equal than the rest of us
because they are the only ones who can be trusted with the
concept of personal choice
So the next time you hear liberals talking about truth and fairness, keep this agenda in mind.

When truth hurts, change it?
Just exactly who are the targets of the lies and manipulations by Democrats and their radical groups of dissent?

It is obviously those who care little about anything more than what the government can do for them.

Every manipulation of facts seem to point to a certain group of Americans..Those who depend on the government for their livlihood.

These people have no interest in Democrat, Republican or even the Constitution, just "What are you going to do for me? And to hell with anyone else"

Folks,
all you have to do is read Badgerboy's 12:40 AM post to understand the futility of trying to discuss any subject rationally. Having read his third paragraph three times, I still shake my head at the apparent utter stupidity. Get this...'inflamed rhetoric designed to fire up the base' applies only to conservatives. He actually believes what he hears from the failures on Air America. Honest to pete, does anyone out there know, or care who Randi Rhodes and Thom Hartmann are? And his snide, side-of-the-mouth comment about the south is not only ignorant, but would not serve him well on the streets of, oh, say Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, etc.

Frankly, Bb, you couldn't carry Anne's water.

I heard what Limbaugh said
and I read the transcript. As a 20 year Navy vet I am very sensitive to anti-military remarks and I found no such bias in anything he said.
For anyone to make such a claim shows the fear they have of talk radio personalities.
I'd pay good money to hear Rush debate the likes of reid or especially the hildabeast on their ideas for this country. Everything they espouse is liberal/commie garbage, to actually defend it in the marketplace of ideas and to be challenged with facts is beyond their abilities. These people are deceitful to their core and have no business in power.

Discrimination
In the above posting I chose the following definition of discriminate :
To discern, to make a personal choice, to excercise good judgement.

I am writing this posting for the sake of clarity of thought. I realize that liberals have only one definition of the word discriminate.

Rush
I suspect that those who criticize Rush the most do not listen to him. I listen a lot and except for his persistence in smoking cigars, I find little that he does or says to differ from what I think. I also hear what people on the left say and they have been caught in many more lies than anyone else.
I have also heard what Bush has said. Although there were no WMD's found in Iraq, there was plenty of time for some to have been moved by all those Russian trucks going to Syria. The British still maintain that Iraq was trying to obtain yellow cake from Niger even though they never did get any. And Wilson was proven to be a liar.
Rush was speaking about those who claim to have been soldiers in Iraq who had never been there.
DWB

Light=Truth; Darkness=Lies
Two scripture come to mind when this subject comes back to the forefront as it so often does.These two scriptures seem to put the whole subject into perspective from the point of veiw that the worldy/progressive/liberal keep adhereing to a pattern of lies; by ommision, by changing the facts , or by outright deceiving people by repeating the same mantra until it is beleived by those who let the MSM think for them.
Fortunatly, these scriptures, written 2000 years ago empashise what the world is made up of tody.
1. John 3:19-21 (follows 3:16)"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men love darknessrather than light, because their deedswere evil.For everyone that does evil hates the light, nor comes to the light, lest his deeds be seen. But he that does truth comes to the light,that his deeds are seen, for they are wrought in God.
2.2Thes 2:10-12 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the Love of the truth,that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should beleive a lie.That they all might be damned who beleived not in the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

modern day Democrats are leftists
A close study of the Soviet Revolution of 1917 and the events preceding and surrounding it will indicate that one of the primary tactics Lenin used was to make sure he took over the newspapers (the only news source of the day) and the telegraph offices - the primary means of communication. When the information sources are controlled so is the information. Study any totalitarian regime and you will see close control of the news sources.

It is said that conservatives control talk radio. That is untrue. Conservatives dominate talk radio because their product sells. Liberals have made any number of attempts and they have failed. badgerboy stated with confidence that if Rush or Hannity or any of the others got into a debate with any of the libs such as Randi Rhodes they would be soundly trounced. Check again, badgerboy. They have had head to head contests in virtually every market and the libs lose again and again. The people vote with their dials.

When the current crop of Democrats wants to reinstate the fairness doctrine they are attempting exactly what Lenin and every communist dictator since have tried - controlling the news sources. One could point out that, in the end, totalitarianism always seems to lose. While that is true, the people who live under it suffer almost unimagineable grief during its tenure. We must make sure we do not allow it.

BTW - another pillar of communism was to take over the lives of children. Government sponsored daycare, control of the schools, taking healthcare decisions out of the hands of parents and putting them into the hands of the state. Sound familiar?

Lies = Destruction
__The left has embraced the truth of lies. They have even colored its definition with new vocabulary. An outright lie is now considered politically correct in order to remove the sting of being labeled an outright liar. We now hear their remarks has being politically correct, according to the situation they are addressing. The BIG LIE, that now controls, and destroys, the democrat party went unchallenged for years, has they secured powers with their media driven propaganda. This BIG LIE is now being toppled like a row of dominos, has they scramble to realign their positions. Having based all of their past policies, and actions, on securing personal power, and property, on speculation, they are now being forced to defend that speculation. This cannot be done with truths, has there is not any proof in speculation. The liberal left base, supported by speculative, liberal, legislation is the body we now see scrambling to gather, and realign, their dominos. They have prospered by lieing to the owners of the home, and lies can only be defended with lies. The landlord has returned with a force to rid his home of these cheating propagandist, and they scurry like the roaches they are.

Don't waste your time
These particular over reaching topics - i.e. the left are liars, NI!, the right are liars! are complete waste of time. Both sides lie through their teeth.

That being said, it's been repeatedly demonstrated that the right wing lies way more and of far greater consequense - for instance:

I did NOT have sex with that woman OR

Iraq . . . continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.

oops meant to say
"These particular over reaching topics - i.e. the left are liars, NO!, the right are liars!

LEFTIST LIARS BADGERBOY, MISTER NY DOG
Leftists lie and then they lie to cover up their previous lies.

On the subject of this article, Leftist lies, Badgerboy seems to argue that "EVERYBODY DOES IT, SO LEFTIST LIES ARE NO BIG DEAL!"

Sorry, but that doesn't wash. Proof:

1. George H.W. Bush promised "read my lips, no new taxes." As a direct consequence of Bush's broken promise, he lost his bid for reelection.

2. Contrast this with Bill "loathing the military" Clinton, who PROMISED US A TAX CUT.
Not only did Clinton break his tax cut promise, but worse by far, Loathing the Military HIKED taxes massively. As a direct consequence, lying leftists applauded Bubba and reelected him.

1. Leftists twice elected Bubba who never served in the military. They did this in spite of the choice of WWII veteran Bush (41) and four years later, WWII veteran Bob Dole.

2. Leftists now decry Bush's (42) failure to serve in Vietnam, like Hanoi John Kerry did for four months. Leftists such as Lying Dan Rather even tried to throw the presidential election with forged documents.

For lies and deceit and hypocrisy, nobody in America comes close to liberal Democrats, the Godless Left.

Paucoremhominem
What have you conservatives done? Nothing but hurt the country. Show me results? Your legacy is screw up after screw up and guess what? The American people, including the troops and their families which you so abuse, know it.

Badgerboy - A Freudian Slip?
Badgerboy writes: "I generally listen to Air America and I am entirely confident that neither Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, Savage or Levin would never stand a chance in a debate against Thom Hartman or Randi Rhodes."

Bboy, what's with the double negative in your sentence?

Deceit, People Of (Senators)
Truth would have saved some Japanese folks who killed themselves rather than be eaten by the Americans. The "People of Deceit" in the Senate of the United Sates of American, stand and knowingly falsely accuse, deliberately lie about a radio guy who speaks the truth. Why? I pondered, how can the people of Iowa and Nevada elect such vicious unscrupulous people to positions of power? We must get the truth to the folks in Nevada and Iowa before they kill themselves and the rest of us. P.S. I liked you’re article on your mom. God love you, Nancy and your entire family.

Phony Soldiers
Phony Soldiers caught by Rush. You have bought into the "lie". Read "Stolen Valor" by B.G.Burkett. It deals with ALL "phony Soldiers" up to Viet Nam. This is the "soldiers" Rush was talking about. Get over it.

manna-feast
Now you've done it. Don't you know you can't mix
politics with religion, it's that wall of separation thingy the leftdroids push forward
every Christmas and days in between. Why just for that, the leftdroids on this thread are going to hold their breaths and turn blue.

Isn't it great how scripture so perfectly describes what we are facing today?


Democrats are Dictators...

"Control Freaks" is the best description of these dumb-dumbs.

Democrats can't handle debate... they're spoiled children. They want it their way, now!

But, why aren't they all movingOn to "Chavez land". This is what you want... So why don't you ninnies Move On ?

The perfect socialist country is waiting for you. With no wars, great healthcare, no evil corporations, a Bush-hating leader.

Why aren't you going ?

There are no American flags, no Pledge of Allegiance, and no poverty :)

MoveOn I say :)

Mr. Right
your post was RIGHT on, but you forgot to add, in this country, they will have to disarm the pouplace. lets hope that never comes about!

HUNTER 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com

roberta roberta
vote for hillary, she won't take your guns, I promise!

Phylo Se Fizer
just because you say it one thousand time STILL does not make it true! even you cannot change facts, no matter how you put it!

HUNTER 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com

Phylo
If i post it enough, they will change their minds and get rid of Rush (giggle)

Hal, Hal, Hal [shaking head\
"What have you conservatives done? Nothing but hurt the country."

Sorry bucko, you don't get to be that dishonest here.

Conservatives BUILT this nation. The principles found in the constitution (the literal interpretation of which you liberals loath) are what we act on every day. Rugged individualism is the FOUNDATION of this country. This principle is the very opposite of your failed statist belief system.

Bottom line Hal, you are projecting. There is virtually nothing that Liberalism/socialism has done to advance the freedoms of the individual or build this country to its stature as the greatest nation in history.

Wars against totalitarian regimes have been fought on conservative principles espoused by both Republicans AND Democrats in the past rather than succumbing to the siren call of liberal appeasement policies. America has been made the worse for the liberal tendency to suck up to dictators (c.f. Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton).

Taking private property is one of the most demoralizing aspects of modern Liberalism. It devalues hard work and ultimately results in sloth.

Taking the lives of the innocent and apologizing for the acts of the most heinous of murderers is the hallmark of Liberalism. Such a philosophy destroys the very fabric of society.

Opening the borders to anyone who wants to come here in defiance of law is the current gold standard of Liberalism (in both the Dem and GOP). The current invasion from our south is a Liberal-caused disaster.

And I could go on and on.

Meanwhile Hal, how about if you provide some SPECIFICS to back up your childish taunt about the destruction wrought by conservatism? How did the Founders, all of whom were more conservative than Pat Robertson, "screw up"? Which troops (75%+ of whom are conservative) have we "abused"? The ones we accused of being murderers, baby killers, fascists, torturers, and NAZIs?

Carlos
See that is your huge mistake. We are the majority now; people are fleeing the Republican Party in droves. THIS is OUR country too. Period. By the way, Chavez is yet another Bush failure. Bush's attempt to overthrow Chavez's elected government gave him the power and rationale to take full control of the country. Or did you forget that?

halD: Pa-lease! Hasn't the Rx for

the pain medication expired yet?

Sounds like you've overdosed on percocet... and obviously unable to think clearly, or think at all.

Of the few of your posts that I've read in the past month or so, none has made one wit of sense.

No doubt that's why they like you so much at Huff... and maybe why you should go there....




Read the history of the CIA
If you want to see what real lies are read The Legacy of Ashes by Tim Weiner. The Repubican party should be declared illegal, just as, 10 years ago, the Turkish supreme court threw out of office a political party that declared itself against democracy. The Republicans, through the CIA have for 50 years literally frightened Presidents into numerous disasterous foreign policy adventures, most of which have failed completely, or the ones which have "succeeded" such as the coup d'etat of Mossadeq in Iran, installing the Shah, have had horrible "blowback".

The death penalty should be imposed on every high level member of the CIA, who have tried to scare this nation, through LIES, into fearing islamic states that do not conform to our corporate profit interests. The consequences of those lies are well known and harm the interests of AMERICA. The consequences include the deaths of thousands of good, honest young men and women and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and unending hatred for America abroad.

Does anyone here know about our ham-handed attempt to overthrow the government of Syria in 1956 or the 5 years of mistakes which finally allowed us to install the Baath party in Iraq?

If you want to know about lies look to your leaders, bow-w0w.


From the article

Mike writes:

"It was a patently obvious lie – few Americans have been more supportive of the U.S. military than Rush Limbaugh – and, shamefully, Democrats such as Sen. Harry Reid who had to know how false the charge was, quickly bought into it."
-------------------------

Statements have been made that embarrassed the entire country from Senators and Congressmen.
Murtha
Kerry
Durbin
Kechinich (sp)
And Reid has said nothing.

Rush has supported the Armed Forces and is one of the strongest in the country to do that, just as the Troopers themselves.

Now Rush has invited Harry Reid onto his Radio Program to discuss Reids alleagations.
Anyone on this planet believe Reid will take this opportunity to openly and honestly discuss this charge he makes?

Not a chance is there, last thing Reid wants to find is the truth, the TRUTH is Reids enemy.

Correction Hal
"We are the majority now"

This is truly a laughable and entirely unsupportable statement. Upon what evidence do you base this idiotic remark?

People "fleeing the Republican Party" is no where near the same as Liberals becoming the "majority". If people abandon buying Fords does that make Chrysler the "majority"? Might people who are abandoning the GOP "in droves" (and I don't even grant you THAT premise) be going somewhere else than to the Democrat party?

More and more conservatives are abandoning the GOP because the GOP is becoming more Liberal Hal. Bush's ratings are in the tank because of his liberal policies Hal. The GOP lost Congress because of their liberal spending policies Hal. We have been struggling in Iraq because of liberal rules of engagement.

We failed to find WMDs (of any significant amount anyway) because we listened to the Liberal siren call of appeasement with Saddam, giving him 18 months to remove his chem and biological WMDs to Syria.

The reality is (to paraphrase Mel Brooks), as far as conservatism is concerned people are STAYING in droves. The recent battle against the Ted Kennedy inspired amnesty bill proves it.

Deceit lessons from the right
"Then, when Rush Limbaugh spoke about men falsely claiming to be veterans of the Iraq war such as one, Jesse MacBeth, who told a pack of lies about his non-existent service in Iraq and whose deception had already been exposed days earlier by ABC's Charlie Gibson and Brian Ross, the left jumped on Rush falsely claiming that his attack on such phony soldiers was an attack on all Iraq war vets who criticize the war.."

Oh, Michael, you've been duped too (or you're lying). Rush and the caller were talking about a previous caller, a soldier who disagreed with the war.

Then he mentioned McBeth about 2 minutes later.

Then he edited 1:35 out of that gap.

And then he claimed it was the "entire transcript" when he replayed it.

And then he edited the transcript online with no notation of the gap.

And then he compared McGough, a war hero recovering from brain trauma, to a suicide bomber.

So, who's being deceitful again?


trughes: Really?

"... "CIA, who have tried to scare this nation, through LIES, into fearing islamic states that do not conform to our corporate profit interests."

Bet you haven't read anything written by Daniel Pipes or Steve Emerson, to name a few.

Maybe you should attempt to educate yourself rather than just accept the writings of some liberal...


Beeblebrox
Now that is not entirely fair to bubba (the cigar dipper) he did in fact wag the dog, you know he bombed something to distract where his cigar was!

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roberta roberta
Bill Clinton,now there is a man I can really GET BEHIND!

They're being mean to me!
Heh, this cracks me up. Always funny to hear the right-wing whine and cry that the Democrats are being mean to them. The Republicans can incessantly attack and demonize the likes of Bill and Hillary, Sen. Kerry, Max Cleland, Nancy Pelosi, etc., etc., but when the left dares to speak up about un-American or racist comments by the right, the right bawls like a little baby. More proof that they have nothing to offer other than their usual cries of victimization.

Hunter: Ummm, interesting...

"... Bill and Hillary, Sen. Kerry, Max Cleland, Nancy Pelosi, etc., etc.,"

Obviously you have a difficult time differentiating between facts and demonizing.

That's too bad!



Facts are simple
Lets say Rush Limbaugh said everyone in the country is a phony.
And only Rush is real.
Lets say he called every person in Uniform a phony.

SO WHAT!
Harry Reid has NO SAY in what any man in this nation has to say one way or the other.
These people like Reid who finds himself the enemy of the national interests are pushing for Civil War and the breakdown of society.
The Congress and the Senate has absolutely NO SAY in what any citizen in America has the right to speak to begin with.

This man Reid is the very one who has earned censorship with his hatred for the truth and outrageous intentional lies to distort facts.

The Senate ans Congress, if they will do their jobs( fat chance, they are not interested it seems) will CENSOR Reid.
And SHUT his lying mouth up.


Hunter
hmm methinks you have been dipping into some libs stash! It is the left that does the crying and boo hooing when we disagree with the outright lies espoused by the likes of white flag harry reid, gen weasley clark, moveon.duh and any who keep trying to make us think that Rush was being unkind to any solider with an opinion against the war, rather than what he really was talking about "phony LEFTIST soldiers"
So quit crying about crying.

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Robert Robert
If that hunter runs I will vote for him!

Everyone
In this country, conservative, liberal, republican or democrat needs to contact their own Senators or Representatives and DEMAND Harry Reid be CENSORED

More "Shoot the Messenger"
Isn't it interesting how, whenever a conservative bloviator is caught sticking his foot in his mouth (which is often), his fellow bloviators automatically assert that Bloviator Number 1 was "misunderstood" or "taken out of context"? Kind of goes along with that whole penchant for shooting the messenger rather than exercising a due amount of movement self-awareness and self-correcting.

I also wonder if Michael Reagan has ever visited the Media Matters website, which takes great pains to present media comments in their original context so readers can judge for themselves what speakers meant to say.

Harry Reid
Has crossed the line and is over the top with his attack on the speech of a Private citizen.
He has ABUSED his position and defied the 1st Amendment himself with him even saying a word from the US Senate about the speech of a Citizen.

This man is the very one who deserves CENSORSHIP.

If this is allowed to go unpunished by the elected officials, ask yourself one question.

Where does it end?
Will any speech by a citizen now be open for censorship from the floor of the US Senate?

This man Reid has committed a criminal act himself, and has shown himself to be a worthless dirtbag and common liar, UNFIT TO BE IN A GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION.

So, Rush...
...can say whatever he wants, trash the troops, and nobody is allowed to speak up about it? But moveon.org must be silenced for questioning a general's decisions? The only difference is that Gen. Betrayus is not on the front lines, unlike the brave soldiers that Rush attacked. Tell me again why one is okay, but the other is not? Please don't use the bs line that Rush is a private citizen - he broadcasts on the PUBLIC airwaves and is a tool of the Republic Party, so therefore should be held accountable for his words. Simple.

Isn't Reid the epitome of a whiner?
Hunter writes: "...incessantly attack and demonize the likes of Bill and Hillary, Sen. Kerry, Max Cleland, Nancy Pelosi, etc., etc."

It is impossible to "demonize" these people. If anything, we are far too nice when talking about them. Calling Bush "Hitler" and our troops "NAZIs" who "terrorize innocent women and children" is the very definition of "demonize'.

Furthermore, we are far from "incessant". If anything, we fail to point out the constant lying from the left that is destroying political dialog in this country.

Then Hunter says: "but when the left dares to speak up about un-American or racist comments by the right"

Thank you for providing an example of the concept of "demonization".

If you have ACTUAL EXAMPLES of said "un-American" and "racist" comments by the right, provide them. Otherwise, you sound like a demagogue.


Borneo: Nice spin. False conclusion of course, but good try. The complete transcript does not change the context and that is the point of a transcript, to provide context. However, given that if he had provided the ENTIRE transcript of his show, you would note that Rush talked about the phony soldier concept earlier and thus, we all knew what he was talking about.

Doc: I know what you are saying about Bill's wag the dog episode, but he was still an appeaser.

talent scout
"This man Reid has committed a criminal act himself, and has shown himself to be a worthless dirtbag and common liar, UNFIT TO BE IN A GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION."

I love it when you are angry makes my day LMAO. keep it up LOL

Doc
Yeah, I forgot guns but I didn't want to run out of space and I had to go do something important. You know, whatever the wife wants you to do is important.

Media, children and guns aren't all that Lenin did. For an enlightening weekend this winter when the weather makes you decide to not go out too much, find a couple books at your local library or on-line and study the history of the Soviet Revolution of 1917. Compare that to the activities of the left in this country since about the end of WW II. It will truly frighten you. Or arm you with the knowledge of what we must do to fight back.

Rush has made significant strides in wresting away the media. Horowitz and Adams are making some small progress in academia. In my opinion, home-schoolers are doing more for their country than for their children. The NRA must never flag in its zeal to protect the Second Amendment or we are doomed. The list goes on.

Conservatives need to realize that fights like the current one over what Rush said about the troops have great significance and must be pursued diligently. Seemingly innocent programs like SCHP will have devastating effects on this country in years to come - just look at what Johnson's "humanitarian" War on Poverty has done to destroy the family and the work ethic in this country. Every seemingly innocuous program from the left has a purpose. You don't need a tinfoil hat to see trends and patterns. A careful reading of history will lay out our future in bright lights unless we fight back. Quite honestly, both parties in Congress have demonstrated a frightening willingness to steal our liberties in pursuit of their own power and aggrandizement. Emboldened by events like the defeat of the immigration bill, conservatives need to find a way to take back our country and our freedom.

Now the dope smoking hippies show up
Hunter writes: Saturday, October, 06, 2007 11:04 AM
They're being mean to me!

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You have yet to see mean in your deluded dope smoking world, chump.


Beeblebrox writes:
"If you have ACTUAL EXAMPLES of said "un-American" and "racist" comments by the right, provide them. Otherwise, you sound like a demagogue"
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Un-American - Rush's comments attacking our troops

Un-American - out of control wiretapping and spying on our citizens by the government.

Un-American - torture okayed by the DOJ

Racist - O'Reilly's comments about black people. Or maybe they were just ignorant. Well, okay, they were racist and ignorant. I hope he learned something.

Racist - Trent Lott's comments a few years back longing for the segregated America of Strom Thurmond's fantasy.

That's just a few. But I'm sure the apologist right-wing parrots will explain them away as usual instead of looking at them honestly.


Love, lets get philosophical
Hal Donahue writes: Saturday, October, 06, 2007 11:35 AM
talent scout
"This man Reid has committed a criminal act himself, and has shown himself to be a worthless dirtbag and common liar, UNFIT TO BE IN A GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE OF THIS NATION."

I love it when you are angry makes my day LMAO. keep it up LOL
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I expect to see more of your love as I intend to demand my Senators Censor this criminal.
He has slandered a private citizen and I hope Rush will take him to court.




?
"Borneo: Nice spin. False conclusion of course, but good try. The complete transcript does not change the context and that is the point of a transcript, to provide context. However, given that if he had provided the ENTIRE transcript of his show, you would note that Rush talked about the phony soldier concept earlier and thus, we all knew what he was talking about."

Yeah, right. Rush edited the transcript and then called it the "ENTIRE TRANSCRIPT." That's a lie as you admit that he cut out the 1:35, right? I guess it's okay for Rush to distort the evidence and then lie about it.


Censor or Censure?
People don't seem to know the difference here. CENSOR is to delete something or refuse to show it due to its perceived implications; CENSURE is an official reprimand. Big difference. Takes the wind out of some of these arguments when it is clear they don't know what they are talking about and are merely copying big words they have previously seen.

By the way
Who's Randi Rhodes? Any relation to Horny Highway? By the way, libs, we already have a "Fairness Doctrine" -- it's called the 1st Amendment. If the ACLU and a liberal judiciary can exploit the 1st Amendment for outlandish purposes, surely conservatives should also be entitled to invoke the 1st Amendment -- or does the "Fairness Doctrine" apply to the 1st Amendment, too?

talent scout: You've got that right!

Of course the lemming liberals can't see the hypocrisy...

Reid should not only be censored for his accusation about Rush, but also for what he's been saying about our troops all along.

He's nothing but a despicable fool, and a total embarrassment to Congress and our country.







Hunter
one more time, he did not trash all the troops and your ilk do not get to say what he was thinking PERIOD. even if he was trashing the troops i think that would make him a hero to your side because your uncle murtha and the likes, THAT IS ALL THEY DO!


Leftist
HUNTER 2008!
http://www.gohunter08.com

hunter says:
I have said it and it is so! Dream on jr.



Donahue,
I swear to god, you are getting more and more immature as the days go by.

OK. You folks picture this if you can. A man, most likely in his late 50s, early 60s, dressed in his impressive air force uniform, maybe a bit red in the face, chortling, " Ha, ha, we are the majority, we are the boss, we made you mad, LMAO, LOL, I got passed over, but I don't care, 'cause John (swoon) Kerry likes me."

Un-effing-believable.

JohninOregon is a bald faced liar
when he says:

"...Media Matters website, which takes great pains to present media comments in their original context"

NO THEY DO NOT.

Read the Media Matters op ed on this incident and you will notice they EDITED OUT Rush's comments about Jesse Macbeth. They also lead in their story with a fabrication that he was talking about all anti-war troops when NOTHING in the transcript that even the partial portion of which they published supported. This has been demonstrated this last week OVER AND OVER John so get over your outright mendaciousness.

We all know what Rush was talking about because we have enough nuance and understanding of the subtleties of context to know that Rush NEVER disparages combat troops. He has decades of credibility on this issue. Given that he had been talking about the Jesse Macbeths of the world before the caller came on, given that the ABC story about "phony soldiers" was aired over the weekend, given that Rush has been all over the issue of the Left fabricating stories such as Beauchamp's and Macbeth's and repeating them day after day and thus slandering the REAL troops, who do you think we should believe? The avowed supporter of the troops or Hillary Clintons attack dog, Media Matters which comes out with lie after lie every day?

By the way, Media Matters does not have a 20 million listener talk show and until they do, they have no right to speak on the subject of what is said on talk shows.

/channelling Robert.

Beeblebrox
"People "fleeing the Republican Party" is no where near the same as Liberals becoming the "majority". If people abandon buying Fords does that make Chrysler the "majority"? Might people who are abandoning the GOP "in droves" (and I don't even grant you THAT premise) be going somewhere else than to the Democrat party?"

Many are becoming independents but you folks have driven the Republicans down to minority status. Check registrations. Your major mistake is you do not realise you have become so extreme that you think moderates are lefties.

Oh Immigration is yet another one of conservatism's failures. You forgot to enforce the immigration laws sigh

Chopper John
is that childishness the best that you can do?

Hey Chopper: halD's response...

"is that childishness the best that you can do?"

is about as mature and responsible as Harry "The Rodent" Reid.

Oh wait, they're both lunatic liberals... But I suspect that halD actually had a lobotomy when he had surgery a few months ago... LOL

That answers that question! Michael Reagan is right... again. :-)





folks
You have made my day thank you. Be well and enjoy the day.

Hunter
What the Marxist like (white flag harry) are trying to do is use Censor to quiet the other side, meaning rush. Even if they have to lie to do it! (google Fairness Doctrine) I am glad you see that point!


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roberta roberta
where oh where has my little monkey HaL gone?
oh where oh where can he be?
with his tail cut short and his organ grinder dead, oh where, oh where can he be?


So you prefer what?
That any speech a Senator does not like should be censored from the Floor of the Senate.

I had thought we all was pretty well grounded in the idea of freedom of speech in this country.

Not worth defending for the likes of you huh.
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Talent Scout
I DO hope that Rush attempts to go to court over slander. He will then be exposed as the charlatan that he is. We all know Rush is rich and successful, so he can afford a good attorney. He will then have to explain the minute and a half he edited for "brevity" and explain why he impugned those servicemen and women who disagree with the policies of the current administration during that minute and a half.
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Having listened to Rush for around 20 years off and on, I have found areas to disagree also.
Yet not once has it come into my mind that anyone should be subjected to being censored from the Senate floor, unless he is a Senator who deserves to be, like Harry (the scumbag) Reid.

If we are going to begin down this road, I want all liberals who lie like dogs and support Marxism to be silenced.
This will probably lead to civil war if not corrected and Reid himself censored.



Hal writes:
Oh Immigration is yet another one of conservatism's failures. You forgot to enforce the immigration laws sigh

My God man, did you copy and paste that from a real Republican web site or what? Because you did not get that from a RINO like peso george or boot lick lugar! (My Indiana RINO) You see we (Regan conservative’s) do think peso george and some of his cohorts has let the real Republicans down on that issue!

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HaL's t-shirt states
I did not survive roe vs. wade

What a fool
Buck2 writes: Saturday, October, 06, 2007 12:09 PM
Talent Scout
I DO hope that Rush attempts to go to court over slander.
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I sincerely hope you get what you want

Boy,
Donahue blew me away this time, didn't he. What a magnificent example of a retired military officer. Let's see, how does he say it? Oh, yeah, LMAO, LOL, ROTFLMAO, WTF REMF (oops, that one got away from me, sorry).

We have no kings
Everyone is expected to obey the law.
Government is expected to enforce the law.

American Law
In law, defamation is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may harm the reputation of an individual, business, product, group, government or nation. Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against criticism.

The common law origins of defamation lie in the torts of slander (harmful statement in a transitory form, especially speech) and libel (harmful statement in a fixed medium, especially writing but also a picture, sign, or electronic broadcast), each of which gives a common law right of action.

"Defamation" is the general term used internationally, and is used in this article where it is not necessary to distinguish between "slander" and "libel". Libel and slander both require publication. The fundamental distinction between libel and slander lies solely in the form in which the defamatory matter is published. If the offending material is published in some fleeting form, as by spoken words or sounds, sign language, gestures and the like, then this is slander. If it is published in more durable form, for example in written words, film, compact disc (CD), DVD, blogging and the like, then it is considered libel.

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Rush not only has a provable case, but he has an Ammo Dump full of evidence to take this snot down with his own criminal lying against a private citizen and defiance of the law he has committed against this entire Nation.

Bring this fool, Harry Reid down, with the Law he is sworn to uphold

I get the mental image
Chopper John writes: Saturday, October, 06, 2007 12:51 PM
Boy,
Donahue blew me away this time, didn't he. What a magnificent example of a retired military officer. Let's see, how does he say it? Oh, yeah, LMAO, LOL, ROTFLMAO, WTF REMF (oops, that one got away from me, sorry).
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Of Hal D sitting in a darkened corner drooling spittle while cackling.

Rush
Did not edit. I was listening live, and I had brains enough to know exactly what he meant. Same report Peter Jennings gave two days before, refering to "Phoney soldiers".

You liberals have so much vinom, you can't spread enough on your own web sites, you deem it necessary to come to conservative sites to whine, and throw insults.

You are all a bunch of ignorant bafoons, that are so unhappy, you can't stand it if anyone else might be enjoying themselves with intelligent discussion.You have to crawl out and use your smarmy brains to try and make everyone miserable.

Hunter proves my point...
He write:

"Un-American - Rush's comments..."

Straw man. Prove he attacked our troops.

"Un-American - out of control wiretapping..."

Another straw man. There is no current "out of control" wiretapping (at least not since Clinton's era of stealing FBI files and running the Echelon program which pretty much spyed on EVERY American citizen - see: http://www.americanthinker.com/2006/01/under_clinton_ny_times_called.html).

"Un-American - torture okayed by the DOJ"

Are you one of the people who thinks that water-boarding or being subjected to hip hop is torture? By the way, if you can produce documents that true torture (inflicting permanent physical damage) was "okayed by the DOJ" then maybe we'll talk about the dangers of an over-reaching federal government.

"Racist - O'Reilly's comments.."

Another straw man. YOU say they are racist - they were clearly not.

"Racist - Trent Lott's comments..."

Commending a man's service who was once a segregationist is not racist. But need I remind you that the GOP drummed Lott out of his leadership position for even the mere accusation of racism? Meanwhile, KKK Byrd is still in the Senate leadership, blacks in this country overwhelmingly vote for blacks (the very definition of racism), and Bill Clinton lauded his mentor and known segregationist William Fulbright on multiple occasions (see http://www.nationalreview.com/levin/levin122002.asp for more on that issue). Condemn this first and we'll talk about your straw man Hal.

Ultimately, you are a laughable simpleton Hunter if this is your "evidence". You spout either outright slanders or sophomoric straw men and call that "honest"? What are you, 12?

Hal, the conservatives have saved the US
Hal Donahue writes: Saturday, October, 06, 2007 9:38 AM
Paucoremhominem
What have you conservatives done? Nothing but hurt the country. Show me results? Your legacy is screw up after screw up and guess what? The American people, including the troops and their families which you so abuse, know it.
_______________________________________________

If the p!mp/prostitute Dems would get out of the way we conservatives could make this great nation greater by slimming down government to the size that the founders meant it to be, by suppressing the perverts/homosexuals/homsexualists/feminists, etc, etc, etc.

The truth is that if it were not for conservatives, the US would be in decadence like France and Sweden, for example.

This article by Mike Reagan
Goes to the central core of what this nation is Founded in, not about if Rush or Reid is lying.

Its easily proven and recorded what Rush said in context.

But that really doesn't matter.
The issue is Freedom of Speech.
Either we all support it as the Constitution recognizes(not gives)as basic human rights given by God to every man, or we begin to allow the US Senate to dictate everyones speech.

This is far and away above the person of Rush Limbaugh, it strikes at the very heart of America itself.

This man Reid has committed a crime from the Senate Floor.
I want him taken to court as the law allows to punish all criminals as Harry Reid has become in the eyes of the Nation.

correction
I referenced the name "Hal" in the above comment, rather than that other simpleton, "Hunter". My apologies for confusing anyone at the end of my last comment. In context, you would know that I meant "Hunter" but taking me out of context, you would think I was condemning "Hal" for being an idiot, when in fact, I was condemning Hunter for being an idiot.

I don't want there to be any misunderstanding on this point. If you want to know my opinion regarding Hal's idiocy, you will have to consult other posts but on this one, it was Hunter that was being challenged.

Thatisall.

More to the point Luis
There would be no America if not for the Christian conservatives who founded the nation.

Medved's recent column on this, made this point as succinctly as has been done in a long time here: http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MichaelMedved/2007/10/03/the_founders_intended_a_christian,_not_secular,_society

Beeblebrox writes: Saturday, October, 06
Beeblebrox writes: Saturday, October, 06, 2007 1:06 PM
Hunter proves my point...
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Beeblebrox proves MY point. There they go again - whining like little babies when faced with the truth. Prove it. Prove it. I know you are, but what am I? Sheesh! In the case of Limbaugh, one need only listen to the UNEDITED transcript to know that he was indeed, trashing troops who are against the war.

No wonder there is so much diviseness in this country. The right-wing just keeps beating its head against the wall, trying to find the latest non-sequitur "gotcha" to deflect attention from the inadequacies of its own party.

Straw for brains!

@Talent
I am entirely with you on the point re: Reid going to jail.

The man is about as despicable and corrupt as it gets (notice I said "man", there is a woman politician more despicable and corrupt but that is another thread).

We shouldn't try him because he is a constant liar and demagogue, I expect that from this Tom Daschle successor, but because his actions are those of a totalitarian who has violated the law of the land.

The fact that he took to the floor of the Senate with the intent of using the full weight of the federal government to slander/libel a private citizen for exercising his free speech rights should send a chill through the spine of every civil libertarian.

It would be one thing if it were a totalitarian move with some consistency behind it, say condemning Rush for one of his firmly held beliefs with which Reid disagrees. But to draft legislation that condemns Rush for saying:

a.) something he never said, and
b.) something that, if he had said it, more closely aligns with standard Dem talking points (that the troops are NAZIs, baby killers, torturers, terrorists, murderers, etc.) is laughable.

What I like the most about this entire episode is that it is so transparently phony. Reid doesn't care about the troops, he doesn't care about "free speech", or "patriotism", any of that. What he cares about is lining the DNC coffers with the donations of sheeple and with diverting attention from the biggest political PR blunder in history, the "Betray-us" ad.

Rush is having a hey-day over this because it gives him an opportunity to continue to demonstrate how hateful, hypocritical, corrupt, and shallow Reid and his fellow travelers are. I say, keep at it Senator. You might get your party's approval ratings into the double digits before the end of the year yet.

Beeblebox writes: LIES
"...Media Matters website, which takes great pains to present media comments in their original context"

NO THEY DO NOT.

Read the Media Matters op ed on this incident and you will notice they EDITED OUT Rush's comments about Jesse Macbeth.
-------------------------------------------------They did not! They present the original version and Rush's edited version, both which refer to Mcbeth. And they give detailed descriptions of both. You are flat out lying. Period. Please people, don't take this liar's word for ANYTHING. Go to the Media Matters site like I just did and look it up. Links from the homepage abound.

Hunter, you're embarrassing yourself
"one need only listen to the UNEDITED transcript to know that he "

First of all, you READ a transcript not "listen" to it, you glittering jewel of ignorance.

"No wonder there is so much diviseness in this country. The right-wing just keeps beating its head against the wall, trying to find the latest non-sequitur "gotcha" "

If this isn't the most prime, grade A example of projecting, I don't know what is. Yeah right, we're the cause of diviseness. We were the ones who took out an ad calling a commander of our Iraqi troops a traitor. We are the ones who called this same commander a liar in committee hearings. We are the ones calling the most listened to talk show host IN HISTORY "un-American". Thanks for clarifying that Hunter.

Rush is talking about the phony soldiers like Beauchamp and Macbeth that he had been previously talking about (Rush discusses the issues of the day like ABC's story on the phony soldiers). But Media Matters takes his comments out of context, neglecting to publish Rush's prior discussion of Beauchamp or subsequent discussion of Macbeth, and you are lecturing US on "gotcha" politics?

I even read one leftist argument that said because Rush used the plural of "soldier" that he was talking about ALL anti-war troops. To a liberal, Rush can't have been talking about 2, 3, or 4 phonies about which he had been talking at length for the last year. No, he is now suddenly (and totally out of character) talking about ALL soldiers who have spoken out against the war.

You lefties continue to amaze and amuse. I heartily recommend you keep it up. I thought the GOP was doomed until you started in on Petreaus and Rush. Thanks for reminding us all how petty, shallow, and corrupt you are.

Powers of darkness
Based in every false way.

No man can use slander against private citizens in this country and get away with it.

The Law is blind to positions of men and women, it must be enforced with the ....blindfold of respect to persons ....and based in justice.

No better case can be made for slander than this one, and from the Senate Floor.

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RUSH:
Ladies and gentlemen, in the last half hour, Harry Reid took to the floor of the Senate and proceeded to spend five-to-seven minutes denouncing me, spreading the smear that started last week on this phony soldiers business. He has prepared a letter to be sent to the CEO of the company that syndicates this program, and that letter he asked as many senators as possible to sign, offering them the opportunity to demand of my syndicator that I be condemned for something that I did not say, which Harry Reid knows I did not say. The House of Representatives, I have just learned, is going to introduce a resolution this afternoon along the lines of the MoveOn.org resolution that was introduced last week, tit-for-tat, they want a vote in the House to condemn me, a private citizen, for something I did not say. These people have had three, four days now to learn the truth about this, and they no doubt know the truth, which doesn't matter. What they are trying to do is flood a false story into the Drive-By Media and have that survive and suffice as the evidence and as the story of what I said when it wasn't.
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Sue this arrogant liar, Harry Reid, Rush.


Hunter
Check your diapers,I think they are full of the same thing you are. God Bless America

This is nazism, and in your face nazism
Directly from the Senate floor.
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Beeblebrox writes: 1:37 PM
@Talent
I am entirely with you on the point re: Reid going to jail.

The man is about as despicable and corrupt as it gets (notice I said "man", there is a woman politician more despicable and corrupt but that is another thread).
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ts:
Several of them, and Hilliary is an outright Marxist.
Despicable woman
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Beeblebrox writes:
The fact that he took to the floor of the Senate with the intent of using the full weight of the federal government to slander/libel a private citizen for exercising his free speech rights should send a chill through the spine of every civil libertarian.

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ts:
He has openly committed a crime against a private citizen.
I recommend we all get focused on this ONE ISSUE.
Demand this man Harry Reid be held accountable to the Laws of this Nation.

If he is not and is allowed to get away with committing this crime right on the Senate Floor, it is the evidence we already have anarachy in this country.

The LAW must be enforced equally, or there is no such thing as equal rights left for any American Citizen.
The entire base of the US Constitution has been destroyed in allowing this crime by Harry Reid to go unpunished.


Like I said, Hunter is 12
Ha, Hunter thinks he has a "gotcha". Forgeting that the rest of us actually do our research Here is the link people, for the op ed on which this entire imbroglio got started. Go see if you can find the section where Rush talks about Macbeth:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200709270010?f=h_top

Do a search for the Rush's comments about Macbeth. YOU WON"T FIND THEM. They include a partial transcript but NOT THE ENTIRE DISCUSSION.

They do this because to post the entire transcript would totally undermine the lie that the article is trying to foist on the weak-minded folk like Hunter.

Notice the opening of their story:

"During the September 26 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh called service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq 'phony soldiers.'"

HE NEVER SAID ANYTHING OF THE KIND!!!

Find for me Hunter, the place in the transcript posted with this very story that Rush "called service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq 'phony soldiers.'"

If you can Hunter, then let the Dems know because they are desperate now to try to CYA on this debacle and are hoping that the 10 plus million people who actually heard Rush talk on this subject can be convinced not to trust their own lying ears.

They are now realizing that they stepped in it even bigger than the "Betray-us" ad (which one would have thought would have been impossible).

So Hunter, call me a liar if you want but I just PROVED that you are the mendacious little college humanities freshman (and my apologies to any real college humanities freshman for putting you in the same camp as Hunter).

[Don't you just love it when leftists show what blithering idiots they are?]

Hunter
Did he STATE I call all soldiers who are against the war “phony?” no he did Not STATE that! So why don’t you quit your crying. No one here is buying the load of dung you are selling.

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Roberta Roberta
But Hal you know you loved them when I brought them home!
Hal: I SAID SHUT UP Roberta!

Okay, okay...
After reading all of the comments it is a toss up on whose is more ridiculous...talent scout...or Gestell.

I think I am leaning towards Gestell, with his ridiculous statement that "Rush can't get out of this one"...


Wake up Dude!

Rush has already gotten out of it. I sincerely hope that the Senate does censure him so we can go to the Supreme Court for the world's biggest smack down.

This is an obvious violation of the 1st Amendment and far too many are just too plain dumb to see it because they are blinded with hate.

Beeblebrox writes:
The point of the article you picked out is that Rush trashed the troops as "phony" before he ever brought Macbeth up. They are pointing out that Macbeth is simply a red herring that Rush is trying to hold on to, when in fact, Macbeth ultimately has nothing to do with any of it. Not that difficult to grasp, for some of us, anyway. It's funny, but pathetic, how you throw a tantrum over a selected fact that you think will vindicate you, but you just end up with egg on your face.

They say right-wingers have no heart; this is an example of them having no brains.

Well lolo
You say I am ridiculous and then say exactly what I did.
Violation of the 1st amendment
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Lolo1 writes: Saturday, October, 06, 2007 2:43 PM
Okay, okay...
After reading all of the comments it is a toss up on whose is more ridiculous...talent scout...or Gestell.




This is an obvious violation of the 1st Amendment and far too many are just too plain dumb to see it because they are blinded with hate.
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Maybe you did not read all I said?
It is slander to do what Harry Reid done also.

I try and not say no more than
Is needed.
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Buck2 writes: Saturday, October, 06, 2007 2:49 PM
Yup...Talent Scout called me a fool
Although i was expecting worse.

I must be a fool to post in here and expect an adult response. You all deserve each other and your enmity.
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You showed up here with hatred

True story
Im flying home a week ago from a school the military just sent me to. The lady sitting next to me has all kinds of CBS stuff she is looking for. Since we have 6 hours or so to kill i ask her what she does exactly. Turns out she is an executive producer for CBS. We get into the fairness doctrine, and whether or not she believes the media spins anything. She swears they don't spin things, they just "report the facts". She also supports the fairness doctrine. With 5 hours and 50 minutes left to go in the flight i turn back to my book and enjoy the rest of the ride silently. The people on the left really believe that they are fair. You would have to be an idiot not to see the spin on the Rush story coming out of the media, but there it is. We have people who really think Rush would call all troops who are against the war phony. I guess you have to work with whatever you can when you get desperate.

Hey Lt. Whew! I was getting worried!

Just glad you're back! :-)


Lt. Glad to know that the troops

KNOW that we're all behind you. 100%

Harry "The Rodent" Reid is just despicable, of course right along with Gurtha Murtha and the rest of the reprobate dumbocrats.

There are posters (I'm sure you saw above) who would like nothing better than to see the Rodent cencored. And, of course, I'm waiting for a PUBLIC APOLOGY from Gurtha Murtha for what he said about our Marines!

I'm thinking that we should bring back "tar and feathering." :-)






USMC Lt
Just want to take this opportunity to thank you so very much for your service to our country. I can't say enough. Thank you just doesn't seem like much. But for now, that's all I can do.THANK YOU!! And God bless.

AS USUAL Hunter
libs got it backwards
you say : They say right-wingers have no heart; this is an example of them having no brains.

You cannot admit that they were talking about "Phony" soldiers from the start. They were not talking about soldiers "against" the war.

So I say: I do think you have all of the facts, you just do not have two live brain cells for the facts to make sense!

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Roberta Roberta
I had a live brain cell once, I just forgot what I did with it!


Hey Lt. Got a new one...

I'll send you a quick email with it. :-)



Most of us ignore blithering idiots
Devout Agnostic writes: Saturday, October, 06, 2007 4:46 PM



Since Reagan and so many of you seem to have an oustanding ingonorance of the terms liberal, marxist, etc...I have kindly provided a summary on Limbaugh's posts just a moment ago for your edification...
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Just post to remind the idiots (as you) such comments are not worth a bucket of warm spit.

Lt. Just checked it.Sorry I missed ya.
.

my personal
My personal favorite is “I support the troops, but not the mission”
Anybody here make sense of that? I never have figured that one out.


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roberta roberta
That Sophie is just like me, there is two of her. Do I call you sophie sophie?

Re Media Matters
I wonder how many of you subscribe to Media Matters? If you do, you will know that it is impossible for Media Matters to lie by taking a quotation out of context because EVERY time it quotes, it follows the quotation with a transcript of the quotation in its original context. Therefore it is impossible for the quotation to be taken out of context: the context is always provided. Subscribe free online and see for yourself.

Doc: Sounds like an oxymoron to me!
And for those who don't get it, and oxymoron is,
"a figure of speech by which a locution produces an incongruous, seemingly self-contradictory effect..."



YOU
go there lilly, I care about the truth and that is not their viewpoint kinda like moveon.duh and msnbc and cnn and cbs and nbc and abc IMO.
man that is a long list of BSers ain't it!

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roberta roberta
lilly meet sophie sophie
they are friends of mine and roberta!

How To End a Free Society
Sixty years ago I moved to a country ruled by a dictator because my father's job took us there. The only newspaper that spoke out against the dicator got its printing presses smashed one night by the dictator's men. After that they rioted around downtown with flaming torches; we watched this riot from our apartment balcony.

Soon a law was passed making anyone who criticized the dictator a traitor. People who spoke against him were snatched off the street and not heard from again. At the American school I attended, when the nation moved into crisis mode our school would be suddenly dismissed and we would be told to go straight home and not speak English on the street (the dictator's party was anti-US). I cannot tell you the effect all of this had on an American child raised on freedom of speech.

What I learned is that when a government---or its spokesmen---starts to punish people who speak out against it, there's bad trouble afoot. And for the past seven years we have seen punishment a-plenty for those who oppose the Bush administration. No, Bush's men have not been arresting Democrats, yet. But its voices, its proxies, have imposed punishment. Sean Hannity and other such have been calling Democrats "traitors" for seven years now. Bill O'Reilly has done all possible to arrange economic punishment for Bush's opponents. Most recently a private group that placed an anti-Bush ad in the newspaper has beeen attacked as lunatic and criminal.

More important, a steady drumbeat has been created to teach and brainwash the public to distrust all sources of information except those coming from the political right. No mainstream newspaper, no TV station, no commentator, no journalist speaking against Bush is safe from attack. The message has become a mantra: if the statement is anti-Bush, it's an automatic lie. This is very, very dangerous to a free society. (Go to Part II)

Why is it...

When you point out a blatant Lie to a Democrat... They continue to argue, and ignore the obvious truth ?

I'm still searching for this answer...

Warped parenting, Fear of Death, Narcissism, and master/slave desires, certainly play a roll.

The "Missing Link" is out there... We must find a cure.

lilly.. You Make No Sense...

EVERY Democrat in America speaks against Bush..

People were fired from union jobs because a Bush/Cheney sticker was placed on their car?

Republicans in the Detroit/Chicago areas are routinely insulted, threatened, harrassed, etc. at their jobs.

The only damn Dictator in your dreams is you!!!

How to etc Part II
If you run a country where you can get away with beating people up to control their behavior, that's the easiest way. Otherwise, you have to manage behavior in other ways. A major tactic is to discredit all sources of information but what the sitting government wants people to hear. I once heard Rush Limbaugh say, "People listen to Cable and get all confused then I have to straighten them out. Folks, don't do that. Don't listen to Cable. Just come here and I will explain everything to you." The right wing has been running a very successful campaign, for about thirty years now, to discredit all sources but their own.

It doesn't even make sense that every statement uttered by every newspaper and every TV station is 100% lies, but that is the position taken by right-wing posters to this board. On the other hand, what is said by conservatives such as Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter etc, no matter how hyperbolic, is welcomed as the plain truth, even by those who defend, say, Limbaugh, as "an entertainer". Bill O'Reilly, talking to a talk radio host on his program, once tipped his hand when he said, "If they like you, they will believe anything you tell them." You like these folksy stars, and you are believing anything they tell you.


LOVE THAT SPIN LILLY
What else can a lib do but spin it backwards? You have taken what is an attack on rush and make him look like the attacker. IT IS HIS RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH being threatened by the very BLOATED fat cats like white flag harry reid! Like I said nice spin, but just like the rest of your post, they make little sense to those of us who know the truth!

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roberta roberta
dang lilly we can't put nothing over on these people! wanna go to a topless code pink rally wit me?

Citizen Carrier
There is a website called Who Owns What that details media ownership. In fact, most media are now owned by Corporate America, which is famously Republican. And, obviously, it has commercial sponsors from the business world, also famously Republican. I can't imagine where you got the idea that daytime television is owned by liberals.

the biggest lie in recent memory
The biggest lie in recent memory was dick cheney's deliberate lie:
"we know they have weapons of mass destruction, and we know where they are."

(apparently they were found during Bush's colonoscopy.)

The "...and we know where they are.." clause rules out any possibility of Cheney
being sincerely "mistaken".

I am sorry to disabuse all the rabid ideologues of their quaint and childish notion that all liars congregate on just one side of the political spectrum.

Show me an elected offical (or an aspiring
elected official) of either party or political persuasion who has never told a lie for purely political expediency.

Come on people, life is not black and white.

Only a simpleton like Michael Reagan can't tell a black and white xerox copy or a political cartoon in a newspaper from a well done black and white photograph that shows informative and minute detail due to the presence of multiple shades of gray... with only a small quantity of pure black and white.

True conservatives read Pat Buchanan and Joe Sobran to get whole truth.

Where Are the Demons Dwelling?
"Then I saw ...evil spirits that looked like frogs (exasperatingly noisy); they came... out of the mouth of the false prophet." (Rev. 16:13)

No wonder the mainstream media (mouth-piece) spew out so much venom of the Left elite (false prophet).

Men may repent, but the demon-possessed persons will not. To preach the gospel 2000 years ago, Jesus gave the disciples authority to drive out demons and heal the sick.

"He (Satan) was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him." (Rev. 12:9). That means that all the demons are on the earth now. So in whose bodies are they dwelling? Today we have superb medical doctors and medicine. What we lack are modern-day exorcists.

Cap'n ElKey
I would add to what you said that talk radio talkers are on for HOURS and HOURS. The public gets 30 minutes each evening of national network news (of which one-third is commercial message) and of that perhaps 2 minutes may be given to a spot calling into question whether the Bush government has, for example, lied about allowing torture, then another topic will be introced. Meanwhile, Rush Limbaugh is on for three hours a day. O'Reilly and Hannity are on radio as well as TV, and their TV shows are re-run over and over, all night. The other day I googled a minor Christian radio broadcaster and learned that he is on for two hours each day, and he's only one man---these guys are legion and their voices cover the earth like Sherwin-Williams paint. And they hammer and hammer and hammer their points home. They do not present any sort of "fair and balanced" view---they are rabidly partisan and poisonously focused on destroying their opposition---nothing in the mainstream media compares. The left uses small forceps to deliver its message---talk radio uses a sledgehammer.

Carlos
I can explain libs. You see you take the obvious and reverse it. That is how a lib thinks. I use to think they could be reasoned with but alas they have to many leaders like george sor hols and (media matters but the truth does not) that tell them how and what to think. That is why you see so many of us on here with the zinger sign offs. The libs tried to steal it but we called them on the cut and paste routine so they gave up! Anyways this is the best I can give you on it, like I said I gave up long ago!

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Roberta Roberta
I don’t remember who posted last, was it me or was it me? No it was me so it’s your turn me!

"If they like you, they will believe....

Good point Lilly, really :)

Except, in my slow moving brain, I see it works both ways.

Hillary says $5000 for every child born? Isn't that buying "likeability" ? Isn't Bush's Prescription drug plan for seniors... buying the same thing?

In my previous life as a Democrat... I voted for the candidate with the most "likeable" promise.

Never seems to work out in favor of us poor though. We're still poor... and the likeable people are still rich.

Deceit is a universal language. Exposing it is difference.

lilly writes
I would add to what you said that talk radio talkers are on for HOURS and HOURS. The public gets 30 minutes each evening of national network news(of which one-third is commercial message)

I say this is because even most libs can not stand more that 30 minutes of blathering buttheads like katie couric, charlie, or who ever they have on. In case you have not noticed lilly, the ratings for most of the lib spouting, bloated news shows are close to rock bottom. And there is a reason for it!

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Katie couric:
I am ready for my close up uncle george



Semperfi: They DO know it
Semperfi/par writes: Friday, October, 05, 2007 5:18 PM
"Scary
What's really scary is the Democrats keep moving toward the doctrine of the peoples socialist party and they don't even know it."
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Hi Fi!

The Left really do know that they are heading toward Socialism: it is their life's mission.

The people who are fooled are the kind-hearted conservatives who give them the benefit of the doubt and the moderate libsters who are the "useful idiots" that the Commies spoke of with such affection.

The Left breaks Marxism into little bite-sized pieces to make it easier to shove down our throats, and to disguise its real flavor. They mix it with other ideas to make it more palitable, the way your momma used to put cod liver oil in your orange juice.

However, I for one, still have a gag reflex, and their nasty Marxist brew won't go down my throat easily.

I hate Bush....

Liberal-Democrats must admit to themselves, Bush is pretty darn Liberal.

Come on, This guy is spending our tax dollars on poor Arabs and Senior citizens ? How are liberals different ?

Don't fool yourselves, Hillary is exactly the same. She will not do anything to upset Big Business either. Maybe she will pick G.E. over Halliburton... but that is the only difference.

Hillary will waffle on terrorism until her back is against the wall...

Then she will over-react, and set off a Nuclear missle. (It's a liberal thing, not a woman put-down)

Then the world "actually" will hate us :)

Badger boy
Badger Boy you've obviously bought into the lies of Air America. The South of today is every bit as much a bastion of wealth as is the Northeast. The fastest growing States are all in the South. Texas, Florida are gaining more and more Congressional power while New York, Mass., Maine, Ohio, Michigan all are losing representation. As far as education there are now more tier one Universities in the South and West than there are in the Northeast.

You talked about how the Conservative Talk Radio crowd couldn't debate with those two no name light weights you mentioned. Liberals are the ones who never agree to debate Conservatives because lies will always fail against the truth. Look at that fool Al Frankin, he's had offers from all of the Conservative Radio Host to debate them and he has declined because he knows he can't win and he's not even funny.

Dr. Moon

I think Al Frankenstien scares people.. I wouldn't doubt that the Liberal-Progressive Elitist have figured this out.

Al Frankin has ceased TV and Video appearances, because he knows he has a very frightening look about him. I'm not being mean here, Al just looks like a stereotypical serial killer.

Looks are important to the Liberals. You don't see much of Soros or Ter-es-a Heinz-Kerry either. They just look and sound like Nazi sympathizers.

johninoregon
Sorry, I just can't let your comments pass.

You say: More "Shoot the Messenger"
Isn't it interesting how, whenever a conservative bloviator is caught sticking his foot in his mouth (which is often), his fellow bloviators automatically assert that Bloviator Number 1 was "misunderstood" or "taken out of context"? Kind of goes along with that whole penchant for shooting the messenger rather than exercising a due amount of movement self-awareness and self-correcting.

I also wonder if Michael Reagan has ever visited the Media Matters website, which takes great pains to present media comments in their original context so readers can judge for themselves what speakers meant to say.
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I say: I don't know if Michael Reagan has visited Media Matters, but I have. Once. I attempted to post an opposing thought, and I was never posted onto the site. I was not nasty, that is not my style. Nevertheless, it never made it to the site because it wasn't PC enough.

Every single person on this thread that swallows the Media Matters hype about Rush is putting a lot of faith into a corrupt and one-sided (to be kind) place.

Those of us who listen to Rush on a regular basis are justifiably angry that his support of the troops is impugned (we know better) and REGARDLESS of what he said, the Censure by the Senate is REPREHENSIBLE. He is a US Citizen and entitled to freedom of speech. Period.

Doesn't it bother you at all that the force of the US Senate is out to silence a citizen that they don't happen to agree with politically?

If it doesn't, it certainly should.

mrs Paddy...

These dumb-dumbs :) think they got one over on the moderate-traditionalists. They think this could win the election :)

I think I will start referring to the Republicans as "Moderate-traditionalists".

A new name will really Confuse the left. They'll have to re-write my daughter's history book again :)

Hunter
You say: he broadcasts on the PUBLIC airwaves and is a tool of the Republic Party, so therefore should be held accountable for his words. Simple.

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I say: Rush is a private citizen. If the fact of being on PUBLIC airwaves is your critieria, then, why are we not holding Reid accountable "war is lost",or Kerry "soldiers are stupid and terrorizing Iraqis" or Durbin "our military are Nazis and reminiscent of Pol Pot" or Murtha "Marines...killed in cold blood"?

...I could go on and on.

These are our elected officials and they are respresentatives of our government. Surely, they have no leg to stand on...and are certainly more accountable for their statements than a radio personality.

Aside from the fact that those of us who listen to Rush on a regular basis know him to be a bona fide supporter of the troops.

Lets, do a 'slow bleed' Democrats (funding for the war) are something else again.

And, as regards to the MoveOn.org 'ad' (hit job) Doesn't it bother you a bit that they are a political arm of the Democrat party? Comparing a 'phony soldier' comment to naming our Commander in Iraq as a TRAITOR is pretty much apples to rotten tomatoes, wouldn't you say?

Don't forget Chris Matthews...

Called Bush/Cheney a criminal enterprise...

I did mention Chris is on psychotropic medications a while back... I'm sticking to it... This guy is taking pills.

Jealous Left
They are simply jealous they can't get a successful talk show. Talk radio is a business. People listen to conservative talk and it makes money. Does the left ever think about just WHY all their shows fail?? The whole left is a running joke acting like little kids because people won't let them play.

The Rush smear will backlash much bigger than the Petraeus ad. The troops in Iraq are already banding together on Rush's side. They are going to make fools out of Reid and the rest of the loonies. The more they try to smear, the deeper the hole becomes. If they had one lick of sense, they shut up NOW.

Why Al Franken bombed as a talkshow host
I remember when Al Franken was funny, when he was on SNL and would say: "I am good enough, I am smart enough, and dog-gone it, people like me."

Now he is not funny.

What happened?

All good humor has a ring of truth to it. When he did his schtick as the guy who looked in the mirror and mindlessly repeated positive-thinking mantras, we recognized ourselves, or someone we knew who had gone overboard with the self-help seminars.

But now, Franken is trying to make GeorgeSoros/MoveOn/DailyKos talking points into comedy. Since those talking points are based on lies, it logically follows that there is no ring of truth that makes us laugh.

Mrs Paddy
If you are troubled that moveon.org is "an arm of the Democratic Party" then I assume you are equally troubled that Freedom Watch is "an arm of the Republican Party". It was conceived in response to VP Cheney's appeal at a 2002 meeting of Republican lobbyists. The directors of Freedom Watch are former White House and Bush administration figures (go to the SourceWatch website for names, details, and a number of documented quotations about Freedom Watch). It is known to operate by masquerading as a grassroots movement but, in fact, it is, to use your very words, an arm of the Party. It exists to brainwash the American public to be pro-war and pro-Bush policy.

In case you hadn't noticed, Freedom Watch is currently running a $15 million ad blitz on TV to build public support for Bush's War.

gofer...

These young troops are going to remember the Democrats for years to come. They will remind their children what happened to them. They will tell the truth to their future co-workers.

And they will always vote Republican :)

Is it just me... or is it least likely that a Republican voter will turn left, versus a Democrat turning Right?

More to Ms Paddy
When the GOP took control of Congress in 1994 one of their first acts was a vote to make Rush Limbaugh an honorary member of Congress because his services to the Republican Party had been central to their win. Does this make Limbaugh "an arm of the Republican Party"? And are you troubled?

Carlos
Re Clinton's proposal to give "baby bonds"--- as far as I know, it is still true that in Switzerland (which is not a Communist nation) ALL mothers receive "Mother's Money" for their child, every month, and this includes foreign nationals residing in Switzerland?

Carlos
Re Clinton's proposal to give "baby bonds"--- as far as I know, it is still true that in Switzerland (which is not a Communist nation) ALL mothers receive "Mother's Money" for their child, every month, and this includes foreign nationals residing in Switzerland?

Mountain Rose
Good observation on Al Franken, you are definitely on to something.

Leftists are the most humorless people I know. I think that this is because they take THEMSELVES too seriously, and that overflows into the rest of their lives. Conservatives, in general, take the issues seriously but know that worrying doesn't change things. We also understand our limitations and accept them, while liberals believe that they can, no MUST, change the world before it is too late.

Even the Simpsons make fun of the humorlessness of the left from time to time, so it can't just be conservatives that notice this.

lily- in case YOU haven't noticed
Freedom Watch is a patriotic group that has a positive message and wants to build up the United States, while MoveOn is a traitorous group that has a mean-spirited and nasty message, who want to tear down the United States and make room for Marxism.

I guess that makes them poles apart.


Good for a laugh
lilly writes: Saturday, October, 06, 2007 11:42 PM
More to Ms Paddy
When the GOP took control of Congress in 1994 one of their first acts was a vote to make Rush Limbaugh an honorary member of Congress because his services to the Republican Party had been central to their win. Does this make Limbaugh "an arm of the Republican Party"? And are you troubled?
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This honorary membership to Congress allows Rush to formalize his control over all Americans.
Having control over all conservatives already, this gave him power over you liberals/socialist/commies too lilly.
Fall down and worship him, peon.

Geez, what some people post is remarkable.

Find one official document for this silly fear you have lilly.

You are unbelievable.

The issue is 1st amendment no matter what the truth is, and so typical of you liberals to not support anyone unless they say what you want to hear.


gwco2skeptic - the humorless left
I do find the Lefties funny at certain times, but their political "humor" is not funny. I think this is because they can't come up with truth, so they settle for meanness.

Their political "humor" comes out of their obsessive hatred, and therefore rings hollow.

No such thing exists
In America as an honorary member of Congress, it was spoofed into existence by a comment and picked up by Time Magazine.

Its a hoot to watch lilly get scared over Rush being a "Congressman" lol.

I like the column, Michael
And Lilly, you should check out Michael Savage, he ROCKS! I thoroughly enjoy my afternoon car pools and errands, listening to his show.

What makes "our" humor so funny is that, as the lovely, extremely talented, enormously witty and always good humored blonde lawyer who really is "the smartest woman in the world" points out in her new book; "our insults are true".

Dr. Moon
So now Air America even lies about wealth and intelligence in the South? You guys are hilarious. FL and TX are generally red states but not always. Hell, Gore really would have taken FL in 2000 if they counted the votes fairly.

My comments were directed more to places like Mississippi and Alabama. If you ever look at results from standardized tests, the lowest scores are usually from the Deep South. And median incomes are usually lowest in those areas as well.

I have heard excerpts from debates between Al Franken and Ann Coulter. Typically, Coulter says hateful things designed to shock but can never really seem to answer any difficult questions.

I love how everyone here says it is the liberals that are trying to shut people up who do not agree with them and limit free speech. Imagine my shock when I returned to this thread and others today and found that several of my posts are mysterously missing. I'm sure it must have just been some sort of computer glitch, right?

One of the posts that is now gone listed some of the money lies committed by this Administration that Reagan so conveniently overlooked. Rather than post them all again, I'll just mention the biggest one. We wouldn't be having all of these arguments about Limbaugh and moveon and all of his other stuff if Bush and Cheney had not lied to get us into this ridiculous war. The whole premise for Iraq was a lie and it has led to the absolute biggest mistake in our history. Thousands of Americans dead, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis dead, millions of Iraqi refugees, increased terrorism around the world, loss of reputation in the eyes of the world. And it has gotten us absoltely nothing!

I can't quote Scripture like others on this board but when times gets discouraging, I at least get some comfort in knowing that Bush and Cheney will be damned for all eternity for the things they have done.

badgerboy rehash
Your comments are a typical rehash of liberal talking points. Some select rebuttals:

1. The 2000 Florida vote has been recount and reeaxmined by several major newspapers and others groups. Bottom line - Bush won. Do your research.

2. If Bush and Cheney lied about the intel that led up to the war, then so did Great Britain, France, Russia. We ALL thought that Sadaam had WMD. You might be correct in stating that they were reckless about which intel they used and which they ignored, but then that is also a condemnation of the itel gathering agencies. What you can say about Bush is that his administration badly misjudged how the Iraqis would react to liberation. We are just now learing that not all societies yearn to be free. But what the left refuses to admit is that we are in a global struggle with radical Islam. This struggle is similar to the cold war - it will be long and costly, it will be waged in different places around the world, and it will include a heated propaganda war for the hearts and minds of the world. What is so disturbing to me is that while the left "supports the troops" they wage a propaganda war against our elected president which must warm the hearts of OBL, Al Jezeera, etc.

3. If Bush and Cheney are damned for eternity, then Pelosi, Reid, Murtha and thousands of other Demos will be right there with them.

Lies, lies and more lies
One must remember what Lenin said about the leftist habit of lying:
"The lie is a sacred thing, and deceipt is our main weapon... It is necessary to redefine the truth." (Lenin 1920)
Long before the Nazzi propagandists, Lenin had already stated:
"A lie frequently repeated will become the truth".
What else can one expect from the left, except lies?

This is crazy!
Just like during Reconstruction in the south when the Democrat elite pitted the poor whites against the blacks to maintain their power history continues to repeat it self today. "We the People" are so polarized that it's sad. All Democrats aren't liars and all Republicans aren't liars either. Remember folks Rep and Dems both tried to get the amnesty bill passed. We have a Rep in the white house and open borders during a war. Just stop! Take a deep breath and really look at what's going on. While the average americans are bickering back and forth Pol's from both party's are sitting down breaking bread with each other behind closed doors. They (and I mean BOTH party's) are trying to push illegals down our throat, they have opened up our borders to allow mexican trucks to come through without being checked or scrutinized (potential for a trojan horse in that is astounding) and we are sitting here arguing over who's the biggest liar and something some talk show host who holds no political office and essential can not vote on any bills are write any said about the troops. All the while they (once again both partys) are trying to figure out away to get these illegals legal through a back door.

I think we all can agree that fighting a war with wide open borders is not very smart and using the justice system to intimidate the electorate and keep them from petitioning to have an issue brought to ballot is scary. And the most frightening of all is having trucks from another country to come here without being searched. Also, don't forget...some of those pol's (reps and dems) want a North American union and looks like they are hell bent to make it happen. Stop bickering and come together to stop this madness. A house divided against itself can not stand.

Epiphany34
Not all Democrats are liars... I agree, most are more admirable than I.

It is the 3 candidates we're so worried about... They are self-proclaimed Socialists.

In Socialist-Europe, one must be "Born into money" to gain status in society or government. The exceptions are few and far between.

So, I would prefer my child have the same chance for success as Chelsea Clinton. Under the Socialist plan, my child would be a nobody, regardless of talent.

Under Socialism, everyone is mediocre except the self-annointed Elitists.

If America's people understood this... There would be a very different debate.

Carlos 10:23am
Wow! Your thought process is really good. I haven't seen you on "thread" much; but I hope to see more of your comments.

Keep up the good work! I totally agree with your post and need make no further comments.

Carlos 10:23 am
I understand where you are coming from and I totally agree with you. I worry about the country my 7 yo daughter will inherit when she is my age. iworry about my brother who is going to Iraq on Nov. 7. I worry about the people we elect in power be they one side or the other. to me looking at what is "representing" us in Washington leaves butterflies in my stomach. I can't see a tremendous difference between none of them where it comes to what concerns me. The Democrats aren't impressive to me and neither are the Republicans it just amazes me how polarized people are concerning their respective party's when in truth it's not you they are representing it's the moneied intrest that are being represented. From the Supreme's hijacking personal property to the Dem's advocating socialized medicine. I work in the medical field and I know how devestating that will be to the profession. I just don't know what's happening to my country and it frankly I have yet to see a strong candidate that wants to really get it back on track.

Sorry
I know my post has broken several grammatical rules ...I 'm thinking faster than I can type.

Epiphany
Spelling isn't a huge priority here.
We're all pretty fluent in Typonese. :o)

I understand your worries, all good parents share them.

I agree there is a lot of painting with broad brushes going on lately.
Problem is, it's nearly impossible to hold an intelligent conversation with most of the the "Other than conservative" posters here. Most of them are paid trolls sent by mediamatters, dailykos, moveon and so on. Most of the others are simply "Useful Idiots" who can only comment on an article by trashing the writer and tossing out ad-hominem attacks. The representatives of the left side of the aisle that come here are doing their party a disservice, but they're too blinded by BDS to see how stupid they look.

Occasinally you'll be able to discuss a topic with a liberal who actually replies with reasoned questions or answers, but all too often they end with something like "OH yeah? well your mom is Fat!"

But unlike those bastions of free speech on the left, TownHall doesn't delete posts that don't toe the party line. But we're the ones stifling free speech, don't believe me? ask a lefty. :op


Robert: Then there was the time I was a paid Soros stooge...... Oh wait that's my current job!

Jackpine and THRadio
Jackpine, If your post is correct then please explain why I have had several posts deleted over the last couple days. And please look at the other posts in this thread and see who are the ones doing most of the name-calling. Of course, it's the righties. But I suppose they cannot help themselves since they just learn from the people they listen to on talk radio.

TH, all those other countries also had it wrong because they were all using the same bad information. But that information had laready been discredited so many other people in the intelligence community, not to mention the high-level Iraqi government official who was spying for us.

Whatever you think about Murtha, Pelosi, et al, they have not needlessly caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. And, yese, Iage that we are fighting against Islamic terrorists but you keep forgetting that the war in Iraq HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. And the war has led to a rise in terrorism and we are no safer than we were before. So tell me how well the war is going?

Hack
Reagan is about as partisan a hack as it can get here at TH, but does he HAVE to lie? He seems to forget that there is documented tape on Rush speaking of "Phony Soldiers" well before he makes any mention of the one soldier in question. And notice the plural in soldierS?

Rush was OBVIOUSLY speaking of every single soldier who has spoken out against this illegal unjust war of Bush's, and Reagan KNOWS THIS. To carry Limbaugh's water, and cover up for the lies of this putrid analcyst we've had to tolerate for lo these many years is just beyond the pale.

Get a clue, Reagan - Rush created this travesty by continuously, and with impunity, mocking, berating and slandering not only the troops who dare disagree with his ideology, but anyone who doesn't walk in lockstep with the rightwing agenda. He is a poisonous voice that should be ignored and relegated to complete irrelevence. Unfortunately, his water carriers - like Reagan - will never let that happen.
----Like I said. HACK.

Keep it up talk radio
Nothing scares me more than Hillary or Obama in the White House. I am so grateful to talk radio for showing the lies of the left. We support you talk radio...keep it up! Michael, we admire your father in this house.

Astonishingly Dumb
First off, liberals are not Marxists. Don't you know -- what word am I looking for here? -- anything?

Take this comment: "So the left, led by the slimy Media Matters organization, began a counterattack using the liberals’ favorite weapon – the lie." Sorry, but you cannot redefine a simple term like "lie" to include theories about how democracies and economies function best. [If you want a superb textbook example of "lie", you can look to certain rightist remarks about the effectiveness of abstinence programs, tax cuts to equalize income distributions, or the very basis of our most recent war.]

How anyone with a triple-digit IQ can take this column seriously is simply beyond me.

Lilly
You list no source, other than "as far as you know" or relevence for your post about Switzerland handing out baby money. Why should anyone pay attention with no source, and what does that have to do with the United States anyhow? "Some other country does it, so we should too"? Is that the point you are trying to make?
Scary.
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