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Thursday, August 23, 2007
Michael Reagan :: Townhall.com Columnist
Just Shut Up, Go Home, and Take Your Kid with You
by Michael Reagan
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You would have thought the United States had committed some unforgivable crime against humanity if you listened to the howls of rage emitting from a horde of liberals whining over the fate of an illegal alien who played them for suckers.

Her name is Elvira Arellano and whatever else she may be, she’s a master propagandist who knows full well just which buttons to push to unleash a flood of liberal do-gooder tears from those who don’t recognize a con man (or woman) even when the con is so obvious a ten-year-old could see it.

In case you haven’t been paying attention, for the past year Sra. Arellano has been playing the part of a victim of heartless U.S. immigration laws that demand that she be deported just because as a serial illegal alien she just plain doesn’t belong north of the U.S.-Mexican border, which she has long used a her own personal revolving door.

As part of her con game she managed to find a clergyman who was willing to offer her sanctuary in his church, which she used as a pulpit to preach about the injustice of being persecuted by a brutal government that wanted to ship her south of the border. She wailed it would separate her from her 8-year-old son, the by-product of some furtive sexual encounter with a man she either refuses to identify or whose identity has somehow slipped her mind (if she ever knew in the first place).

Elvira has made herself into the poster girl for amnesty for all illegal aliens, and it’s been a spectacle to watch how she’s done it. Especially since neither she nor her son can speak a word of English.

Safe from the grasping hands of the immigration cops who risked being boiled in media oil had they violated the alleged sanctuary, she created a flood of stories depicting her plight at the hands of the heartless Feds.

Needless to say, the wooly-headed liberals who dominate the media managed to avoid writing about or broadcasting the sordid tale of the real Elvira Arellano. As a result, when justice finally prevailed and she was sent packing by the immigration authorities, a great cry of agony arose from the left and from the illegal immigration community, which cannot understand why most Americans labor under the false belief that people here in the U.S. should obey the law, especially when the law says those wishing to reside within our borders should abide by the laws that restrict immigration to those willing to obey the immigration laws.

Elvira was not among their number. She had one rallying cry – she would not leave the U.S. because to do so would separate her from her beloved love-child, who is legally an American citizen since he was born here.

Who is this woman who has tugged so successfully at the heartstrings of the nation’s liberals?

She snuck into the U.S. years ago, was caught and sent southward in the late ‘90s.

That was just a minor setback in her career – in a matter of a few days she was back in the U.S. where she got pregnant and got a job as a cleaning woman at an airport thanks to a phony Social Security card – a rather serious offense for which would be a sure ticket to the slammer for most people. But not for Elvira. It took 9/11 to get her charged with the crime and ordered out of the U.S. -- again.

She didn’t go. Instead she conned a church into giving her sanctuary where she stayed until she rashly ventured forth to promote the virtues of illegal immigration. The Feds nabbed her and promptly deported her, offering to let her take her son -- you know, the one she insisted she could not be separated from.

She said no. After all, the kid is a better propaganda tool here in the U.S., allowing her to bewail her “enforced” separation from him.

Liberal tears flowed, all of which proves that there’s more than one sucker born every minute here in the U.S.

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About The Author
Michael Reagan, the eldest son of Ronald Reagan, is heard daily by over 5 million listeners via his nationally syndicated talk radio program, “The Michael Reagan Show.”
Amen
This country is founded on the rule of law and people who break it to come here cannot understand why we want them sent back.

If you understood you *wouldn't be here illegally in the first place*.

Its illegal to profit from commission of a crime. her kid should be stripped of citizenship and sent home as well.

Of course the Geraldos of the world will cry racism or whatever invective they can come up with. My response to them is this:

Should we get your phone number so we can ask which laws we *can* enforce and which ones *you disagree with*.

PS. Carrying Mexican flags in your rallies will only get more CITIZENS angry at your flaunting our laws.

How About a Little Pressure on Mexico?
I think we need to start asking captured illegal immigrants what is so awful about Mexico. This woman considers the country so awful that she would rather be separated from her son than take him back with her? Not that she seems to be taking advantage of him being in the U.S. if at the age of 10 the kid can't speak any English. Why isn't anyone trying to get the Mexican government to confront the issues that make its citizens (with their government's tacit encouragement) risk death to come to the U.S.? Corruption, lack of property rights, all of the usual suspects are holding back Mexico's economy at the U.S.'s expense and no one says anything.

I wonder whether the President.....
I wonder whether President Bush has apologized profusely to the government and people of Mexico for sending this future drain on the taxpayers home?
Now only about 19 million to go!

This is a "NO BRAINER!"

Anyone who is in the USA without appropriate government issued documentation that allows one to be here is AN ILLEGAL ALIEN!!

Anyone who is in the USA ILLEGALLY has broken US FEDERAL LAW!

The only right any ILLEGAL ALIEN has is to be treated humanely while being deported!

End of discussion!


"Separation of Church and State"
If The Ten Commandments can be taken out of government buildings, then political pawns of another government state should be taken out of churches.

Next time use tanks (remember David Koresh?).

David M
Excellent post. Dittos! I would venture a guess there are 4-6 billion folks out there who'd love to live in the U.S.A. Perhaps we can ask the immigration activists if we are racist not to invite them all in.

M.Reagan
Micheal: Guess you are ready for the onslaught of the bleeding hearts who no doubt will be calling for your scalp over this column. Still can't figure out what part of Illegal immigrant the left doesn't get? We are not supposed to protect our borders, enforce our laws, put all those who ARE playing by the rules to the back of the line? For what? Try what Sra.Arellano did, in reverse. See what happens. Mexico,nor any other country, WOULD NOT PUT UP WITH IT. NOR SHOULD WE.

To All Bleeding Heart Liberals Out There
Why should WE (the US taxpayer) have to pay the freight for this dame's illegitimate kid??? Shouldn't she identify the father....then let's have HIM pay the expense involved. Or is all of this too 'nuanced' for you "progressives"?

Mr. Reagan
Well said! And to those that just can't grasp it they are simply brain dead.

alwyr
It's a little too nuanced for them. It also requires thinking not feeling.

nice
One of the best columns I have ever read on here.

Calling a spade
a spade comes with a price...but that hasn't stopped Michael from telling the truth. Bravo. I adore his ability to cut through the chatter and bring up plain, obvious facts.

A phrase has been making the rounds these days: "No human being is illegal". People of very small brains embrace this nonsense. So we need to explain reality to them with patience. And short sentences.

By the way, DavidM, the word is 'flout', not 'flaunt'. The first means, 'to set aside, to willfully disobey'; the second means, 'to show off'.

Drudge has a headline:
"Mexican Senate sides with mom deported from USA"

"by denying her access to the Mexican Consulate in LA"

Isn't that a hoot?? You know why they are really mad? If we keep deporting illegal aliens, they will not have so much money pouring into Mexico. They may have to drop 'remittances' from the USA down below #1 in their GDP.


Living in the Rio Grande valley
I speak Spanish, I am one of the few Whites here. I heard this woman say that "My country, Mexico , would never do this".That is exactly how these folks think.Some of this land we [the U.S.] purchased, and alot was taken as spoils of war [the Battle of San Jacinto]. The Mexicans here think that this is THEIR land. Perhaps it is time that they are shown that it is not. By whatever means necessary.

Let em in...
Lets get rid of all immigration limits and let anybody come here....
It used to be like that......

It also used to be the case that all the safety net CRAP was not here either.

MEDICARE, SOCIAL SECURITY, MEDICAID, EMERGENCY HOSPITAL CARE, ETC,,,

In other words you don't WORK ,,, you DIE.

Shame on you
Anti-immigration people claim that they are not racist. But articles like this clearly show that this is just a lie.

Our current immigration laws are disgrace. When they were enacted the politicians that promoted them didn't bother to hide the fact that they were appealing to crudest racial prejudices of the country, instead they glorified in it.

These immigration policies have diminished the American spirit. America used to be a great experiment that welcomed all who wanted to participate.

But those that were not only welcomed into the country but given free land did not want to pay it forward. They did not want to compete with those that would worker harder for less.

They just like the slave owners and then segregationists in the south wanted to cheat. They wanted to change the rules so that they would be able to win without really trying.

This same slovenly lazy attitude is in the anti-immigrant movement today. They don't want to get off their butts and work for a living and make an economy that can absorb those who share are beliefs in freedom.

I would encourage you to read the newly discovered letters of the Frank family on their attempts to escape to America and realize that this same anti-immigrant thuggery was just as much to blame for Ann Frank's death as the Nazis.

The Germans didn't want to compete with their Jewish fellow citizens so the killed them. We didn't want compete with hardworking refugees so we didn't save them.

But to resort to crude slurs against this woman's virtue just shows you for what you are cheap bigoted thugs. The fact that the to our disgrace we have written your craven prejudices into our law doesn't make you any less despicable.

The final measure of your shame is that you would wish an American citizen to leave the greatest nation in the world for any reason just shows the contempt you have for our national values.


Scarlet Letter
Elvira Arellano entered the country illegally at least twice and has committed other serious offenses. Since then, she has made a public show of her disrespect for the law. On those issues, Reagan gave it to her with both barrels, and I have no problem with that.

Now why did he feel free and inclined to include those cheap shots about the father of her son? He even made an unseemly allusion to her promiscuity. If she has not told us who the father is, perhaps that is because it is no business of ours. Be a gentleman.

Deportation
This women was deported because she entered Illegally and then stole someones SS number. I wished that she would have gone to prison for a few months. She got off easy. I think that she thought that she could go anywhere in this country and ICE would be afraid to do anything about it. She was proven wrong. Now if we could just get them to deport the rest of the invaders.

The next time she sneaks in
put her in prison. And keep her there with nobody to come and interview her except ICE.

P.S. Make a set of signs with the title of this column on it and put it over every upscale restaurant, theatre, airport and grocery store in the nation. Point it out to every Helicopter GOTTARIGHT Mom and her screaming toddler.

Militant Leftist` writes:
"Our current immigration laws are disgrace."

OK. Let us adopt the immigration laws that Mexico enforces. Would that suit you better?


Challenge them
Chicago is a long way from Tijuana.

San Ysidro is just this side of the border.

As currently interpreted, Elvira's son, Saul, is a U.S. citizen by birth. He can't be 'stripped of his citizenship and sent home'. He is home.

Work with that.

Remaining in the U.S., he will be taken care of by someone, or some organization, here.

If that someone or organization relocates him to San Ysidro (a few short blocks and mere minutes from the international crossing between Tijuana and the U.S.) he will continue to receive every benefit to which he, as a U.S. citizen is entitled (perhaps even enough education to actually learn English) and be able to visit his mother as often as each desires.

In essence, he could live with his mother in Tijuana; crossing back into the U.S. every school day, and to receive other social services.

If this were done, Elvira's chief complaint (and that of so many other deceitful folks) of familial separation would be effectively countered--indeed, negated.

And every time Elvira kisses Saul goodbye, as he freely re-enters HIS country, she will be reminded of the opportunities her poor decisions have deprived her of.

Dirtbag....
........illegal. Nothing more. Nothing less. Go home and make your own country a better place to live and raise your dirtbag kid. Stop invading ours.

ML
You cannot possibly believe we need to change laws that are not being enforced. You are aware that if I as an AmMerican entered any other country illegally, that my sorry asss would be thrown in jail and the deportation would be at my expense...Why should there be a double standard for people who have no respect for the rules of law in the US? That is the whole problem with immigration and the terrorists. Do you think if we blew up buildings or planes and killed 3000 islamics that they would have waited a year or more before retaliation took place? You are just kidding yourself. Get a clue.

Mr. Reagan
You've managed to produce another insightful yet scathing column, certain to draw the ire of diehard liberals, such as Militant Leftist who ignores that the rule of law is also one of America's values, that we do have a legal immigration process, and that Mexico also deports illegal aliens in their own country, with potentially as much as 2 years in jail to be served first. Mr. Reagan, you have my congratulations for a job well done, and the left-wingers should be ashamed of their "little boy who cried bigot" schtick.

If the liberals are really serious
about giving aid and comfort to illegal immigrants, (ouch) then they should put their money where their mouth is (fat chance) and let them live in their home, eat out of their refrigerator, and pop out litters of illegitimate children everytime they ovulate on their couch and then pay the bills.

Alright now, step up to the plate lefties, show us what you got.

(When pigs spread wings, and fly to the moon.)

I wonder
I wonder if Militant Leftist would feel differently if it had been his/her social security number that Elvira had stolen.

The difference between welcoming immigrants during the early 1900's and today is that the immigrants of yesteryear (like my grandparents) ASSIMILATED. Though his parents only spoke Italian when they arrived on our shores, my father only spoke English. He understood Italian when they spoke to him, but he was only allowed to speak English at home.

Take your kid and go home
Let me get this straight. If the government believes I have profitted from an illegal act, even before trial they can seize my property, freeze my assets and deprive me of my liberty. After the criminal trial should I be found "not guilty", I then have to sue the government, (who has my money,which I need to hire a lawyer)to recover my goods. But this female and millions like her commit a crime, pump out a kid, why isn't the kid's automatic citizenship profiting from an illegal act? There is the train of thought that you cannot blame the kid. OK, send the little b******d home with mommy to Mexico until he is legally of age to return claim his citizenship and be a productive member of this society. (for the verbally challenged B*****d refers to his out of wedlock birth, apparently your filter is word challenged it would not accept the spelling of the childs status)

Stick to the facts
I agree that she was here illegally, and then committed fraud by using a stolen social security number. I COMPLETELY agree that she needed to be sent back to Mexico.

However, I think it hurts our cause when we resort to name-calling and pot-shots (such as the one on the father of her son). If we are going to have any kind of decent response from the American public as a whole, we CANNOT fall into these type of habits.

Being from Texas, I know what the problem is - I've seen it first-hand. We must try and keep some dignity, or we will not win this war.

Conic, it IS our business...
...if we the taxpayers wind up supporting her son.

The father is responsible for the care and upkeep of his own son. If Elvira refuses to identify him, then she should be made to support him herself.

When the American taxpayer is off the hook for what is really the parents' responsibility, then I'll listen to pleas for her privacy.

Militant (and clueless) Leftest
Our immigration laws aren't a disgrace. The lack of enforcement is the disgrace. Call us conservatives bigots, or whichever name makes you feel better about yourself. The fact is, illegal aliens aren't invited and aren't welcome. We get to decide who gets to come in and it what numbers...get over it.

We've more than paid it forward. We let Los Angeles and Miami turn into Mexican towns. Look how well that's working out for them. Illegal aliens are killing Americans (and each other) at an alarming rate. We don't have the resources to run background checks on every illegal alien in this country. We have enough challenges in this country right now. We can't solve Mexico's problems.

By the way, slavery was abolished about 150 years ago...get over that too.

Elvira is a Fraud
If Elvira really cared about the rights of illegal immigrants, she would have stayed home in Mexico and protested how that country treats them rather than becoming one herself here. This lady is a complete fraud, as are her supporters.

Former liberal
I used to be a liberal on immigration, working on the assumption that people with enough initiative to pack up and move to a foreign country, leaving their old life behind, would be an asset to America. The funny thing is, my views did not change, liberalism did.

Now being a liberal on immigration means not believing in borders at all, deporting nobody, regardless of their crimes, and openly flouting the rule of law. Basically, to determine the liberal position on any issue these days, you simply need to imagine the policy that would best undermine America and her way of life.

I'll say it again.
I think ICE's time could have been better spent going to a construction siteand rounding up 20-30 instead of picking this gal up and making a "martyr" out of her.

Somewhere around the country tonight, a drunk driving illegal is going to kill somebody.

ICE wasted their most precious resource, which, when you're an understaffed and underfunded agency, is TIME. There are plenty of opportunities around the country for a wholesale roundup of illegals and they put on a dog and pony show in going after ONE.

Yes, I do believe she needed to be deported, eventually. But this nation is a "target rich" environment for ICE. They passed up a stampeding herd for a single stray.

Now, before anyone goes calling me names, I should mention I'm a member of Numbers USA, MCDC, and I've spent many a night on the border with the Yuma Patriots. After living in a border town for ten years, I'm for as strict a border as possible and for deporting all the absconders.

jlg...
Thanks for the reply to conic's post. You beat me to the punch.

Conic; it is our business because it will, invariably, be our money that supports Elvira's b*****d child, that she dropped merely for the purpose of having an anchor to avoid deportation once she was caught, again and with a fraudulent SSN.

Well, since that didn't work, I guess her child means so much to her that she won't raise him herself, in Mexico, and that the father of her child was such a seminal moment of love and intimacy in her life that she won't name him (and I agree with Michael here, if she even knows) so he can raise his son.

This is such a travesty, and all you can think about is a perceived right to privacy. Pretty sorry a**ed.

Our Immigration Laws Are A Disgrace
Yes, our laws are a disgrace. They are too soft on illegal aliens. Let's toughen up our laws or maybe just start enforcing them. The illegal aliens have no fear and openly break our laws with impunity. Let's end the flaunting of the flouting of our laws.

militant leftist
How typical that you misclassify every person who believes in LEGAL immigration as racist xenophobic, etc. It does relieve you of the burden of rational thought.
Don't you good-hearted libs realize that the millions of illegals here, and the remittances made by legal and illegal alike, only serve to propogate a corrupt, brutal, and self-serving regime? Your so-called compassion for the 12? million condemns most other Mexicans to a miserable life.
Part and parcel of liberalism is the denial of the law of unintended consequences.

ML...
Shame on you for being such and utter dolt.


Grammar correction...
My post to ML, it should read:

an utter dolt.

Pardon the error.

Conic and Cultural Traditionalist
Both of you have criticized Reagan and other posters for pointing out that Elvira's child is illegitimate. She refuses to name the father. I practiced law in New Mexico. In New Mexico, if you were on welfare, you were required to name the father so that the state could recoup part of its welfare payments to the mother by obtaining a child support order against the father. This is how American citizens are treated under the law. Are you telling us that these laws should ALSO not apply to illegal aliens? She left that child here. With whom? Someone who is getting welfare from the government? Why doesn't this child speak English? Hasn't he been attending school here? Sounds like she is also guilty of child abuse. She is a very sorry excuse as a role model of liberal outrage at the way we "treat" illegals. Also, Mountain Rose posted the other day when she saw Elvira in L.A. that she called ICE and asked them to go arrest her. The lady she was speaking to said no and hung up on her. I guess ICE got a few calls (I'm betting it was more than just a few) and decided to DO ITS JOB by arresting someone who was being broadcast on TV in real time breaking our laws! Take your misplaced pity and stuff it.

The nation of Mexico..
...must be some kind of toilet.

To have millions abandon their country and DEMAND not to be sent back speaks libraries as to the condition of their "mother country". Is Mexico just Haiti on steroids?

And the absence of shame in these lawbreakers demonstrates their fundamentally corrupt character.

btw: If Mexico is supposedly so religious, doesn't the Catholic church down there teach virtue? Just wondering.

Shame on all of you
"Who is this woman who has tugged so successfully at the heartstrings of the nation’s liberals?"

Of all the offensive, insensitive, racist comments I've heard from America's conservatives, this has got to be up there.

And WTF is "the wooly-headed liberals who dominate the media"?!

You guys are nuts, and only because you think you're NOT racists.

English
Are you kidding me.........all the time she has been here in the US and her son also......neither speaks a word of English and we are supposed to let her stay here?? Why?? ENGLISH IS our language and since she was here illegally, she should have been sent back to HER country, Mexico. This gal had no interest or desire to assimilate and become an American,--fine, now she is in her HOME country and can speak all the Spanish she wants. I also think she should either be required to name the father or take her son back to Mexico with her.

TurnLeft
Okay, I'll take the bait--what's racist about the statement you quoted?

"Who is this woman who has tugged so successfully at the heartstrings of the nation’s liberals?"

Careful Michael
".....Needless to say, the wooly-headed liberals who dominate the media....."

Not much difference between wooly-headed and nappy headed........might lose your avenues of expression now.


Stop All Immigration
America 2007 is not America 1907. We don't need strong, uneducated peons to labor in steel mills and factories, to build railroads and skyscrapers, to develop a world-class economy. What we have today is a post-industrial, information age economy. Brains - not brawn - is what will succeed. 76% of the illegals from Mexico don't even have a high school diploma. And contrary to the Chamber of Commerce, there are only so many lawn care, restaurant, and cleaning/maintenance jobs out there. We do not need Mexican labor - we are not obligated to be a safety valve for Mexico because its political and corporate elites are too incompetent to creat enough jobs in their country.

We need assimilation - at least a decade's worth. Ban ALL immigration for a decade - spend a little money to eliminate our Black underclass - and reorient this country to our European-based heritage. That's right - I don't want this country turned into a Third World melting pot. Call me a racist - I don't care - but there are ever increasing numbers of American citizens who feel like I do that, eventually, we will have to restore our country through a not-very-pretty counter-revolution.

SecretSquirrel2
Good point you raised about Elvira's lack of English skills.

I mentioned on Coulter's thread that a couple of decades ago I toured Europe for a summer between high school and college. I carried a translation dictionary everywhere, and although my French, German, Dutch and Italian were pretty shaky, the native speakers saw that I was trying and were more accommodating than if I'd just spouted English everywhere and wondered why no one understood me. After my trip, I was surprised at how much German, French, etc., I'd picked up.

It says a lot that after a decade, Elvira can't even make (no matter how heavily accented) a prepared statement to the press in English.

Illegal Immigration
Militant Leftist:

You have to be a parady, nobody could be that ignorant vicious and nasty on purpose, at least I hope not. If you are serious and want us to take you seriously, all I can say is, "WOW". Anybody who is sick and tired of "ILLEGAL" immagration and what it has cost this country not only in money, but in fraudulent soc. security numbers, crime, etc., is not a racist. Try a new rant, this one is getting boring. When you can't discuss and debate the issue on itw merits, pros and cons, when you can't argue with reasoned debate, when you only name call and yell silly insults, it shows how bankrupt and morally corrupt you really are, not to mention self deluded into thinking how righteous and morally superior you are. I know in the past, all you compassionate, tolerant, open minded liberals just loved to call us all the filthy, nasty names your loving minds could think up so we would shut up and go in the corner someplace with our heads lowered in shame, and I have to admit, for a long time it worked. But....we are no longer intimidated into shutting up because you don't like us and call us names anymore. Don't like us, call us all the nasty names you know, try and shout us down, like we care what a petty minded, arrogant stooge of the left thinks of us. Yeah, right. I cry big tears every night, thinking how much you guys hate people like me. I wear it as a badge of honor. We must be doing something right otherwise, why won't you just argue and debate the facts, explain your ideas and opinions, back them up with solid evidence and references. No, you just call us names, laugh at us and sneer at us at every opportunity. The truth is that Liberals are the most tolerant, compassionate open minded people you will ever meet, as they keep telling us every at every turn, that is until you disagree with them. Then watch out!

help himself to all the goodies
I hate to be repetitive, as I posted this question on another site yesterday, but I got no answer, so I will ask again and see what the libs and those in favor of illegal actions have to say to day.

Someone had blamed the illegal immigration problem on the US, since the fence has not been completed. The questions are similar in intent, if not in severity.

When you let your kid go to the candy store, is he allowed to help himself to all the candy on the counter, just because the store owner hasn’t yet put it behind glass so he can’t reach it?

When you let a Mexican come to the border, is he allowed to just help himself to all the goodies we have created in our country, just because the Government hasn’t yet put it behind a fence so he can’t reach it?

Turn left
I just reread Reagan's column, and I could find no references to Arellano's race. Nor could I find any racial references at all. Reagan's objection to Miss Arellano is her criminal behavior and use of her son as a political pawn.

As to the term "wooly headed", the book of Revelation describes Jesus as having hair "like wool", so I don't think saying someone has that particular texture of hair is an insult. I think Reagan was referring to their THINKING as "wooly-headed" not their scalps.

Wolfgang, you got it right!
The revolution we need is coming up in 2008. That is our opportunity to hand the elites of BOTH parties a defeat they certainly deserve. They have conspired to keep power in their own hands, having spread the lie that only "they" can govern, and effectively convinced "we the people" that we have no other choice, nowhere else to go. Since this attitude dominates the political landscape in Washington, is it any wonder that the elites do as they please?

We rallied against the immigration scam, but has anything been done to really secure the border? With an idiot like Chertoff, and the Kennedy/McCain/Bush alliance, we will not see our borders secured any time soon.

2008 is the time to take serious action. We must not once again fall for the Dem/GOP/MSM "vote for the lesser of two evils" ploy. If we wish to reclaim the birthright the elites have stolen from us, we will need faith, courage, and a new way of thinking. We should begin by denying the elites the Presidency, their one great desire.

If you care about the future we pass on to our children, I urge you to visit my website, JOEOLIVAFORPRESIDENT.ORG, and see exactly how we can restore the true principles upon which this great nation was founded. Check it out, you will be surprsied at the possibilities. Thanks, Joe

To Marlin Newburn:
Yes, Mexico is a toilet. Well, okay, it's not a toilet because at least toilets indicate a presence of indoor plumbing, which Mexico, for the most part, does not have.

The telling fact is that a Mexican would risk their life for the chance to live in Barstow. Or worse yet, Needles.

It's that bad.

Destroy Family Unity = A GOOD MOVE
This Wet Back is “Using” her illegitimate son as a pawn to illicit sympathy. But for those whose thinking is based on Reason, NOT Emotion, the threat of family separation is the very reason why people like this should be deported and separated from their anchor babies. They abuse the 14th Amendment, hoping it will help them stay here. Until this Amendment is changed, the threat of family separation should be used Aggressively as a warning. We should not hesitate to destroy family unity in the hope this will dissuade others from manipulating the Constitution. Yes, innocent children will suffer the consequences of their parents’ illegal acts. Too bad. But it’s not the fault of ICE. These wet backs should have considered this before coming here or deliberately getting pregnant in order to manipulate our legal system. THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DAMAGE DONE TO THEIR CHILDREN!

wooly-headed
Seeing racism when there is none--wooly headed could refer to the wool between there ears or that they are sheep. Sheesh.

It doesn't make sense as a racist remark since he is refering to the liberals who dominate the media -- they are ALL white.

Militant Moron
OOOH, a militant leftist. I'm sooo skeered. I thought you clowns despised both violence AND the military.

Your comments have got to be a parody, right?

Intentionally leaving out the word "illegal" when discussing this topic and then labelling anyone who wants immigration laws enforced as racist, bigot, anti-immigrant, blah blah blah is being deceitful at best. A typical leftist tactic.

Typical self-righteous left-winger: "You disagree with me that means you are a racist, bigot, warmonger, hatemonger, homophobe, Nazi ... "

Whatever

No one in the formerly MSM ever asks you dopes "why shouldn't a sovereign nation be able to control who enters and leaves it's borders?" Or "why shouldn't every nation be allowed to protect it's citizens from criminals, con-artists, and other undesirables?" In fact, every nation has an OBLIGATION to know who is in their country in order to protect it's citizens.

If we don't have control at the borders, than how do we separate those who are here to work from those who are only here to do us harm? There is no filter when the borders are as open as they right now. On many of our city streets we have thousands of illegals who have formed street gangs. Think of all the victims of gangs like MS-13 who commit murder or other violent crimes against innocent American citizens and who would not even be here had we been enforcing immigration laws. That's just one example.

More Americans by far have been killed by illegals than have died in Iraq over the same time period. When were you planning to address this? Hey, maybe if you close your eyes, put your fingers in your ears and sing "la la la la la la" really loud, you can avoid reality.

Or you could just call people who disagree with you a bunch of names.

Militant Leftist
"But to resort to crude slurs against this woman's virtue just shows you for what you are cheap bigoted thugs. The fact that the to our disgrace we have written your craven prejudices into our law doesn't make you any less despicable."

Your supernatural ability to see into the hearts of people like me and see things that we didn't even know ourselves is astounding. I'm astonished to learn that I'm a racist, and that actually hate all of the Hispanic, black and Asian people I consider friends.

In the debate over what our immigration laws should be and how they ought to be enforced, is "you're all racists" really the only club you've got in your intellectual bag? If so, that's rather pathetic.

"Our current immigration laws are disgrace. When they were enacted the politicians that promoted them didn't bother to hide the fact that they were appealing to crudest racial prejudices of the country, instead they glorified in it."

I'm curious--were you aware that the current immigration quotas favor third-world countries over places like Britain and Scandanavia? It's easier for an Indian to get into the country than it is for an Englishman. Were you also aware that the chief architect of our current immigration laws was a "liberal" icon named Ted Kennedy?

As for bringing up our refusal to accept more Jewish refugees in the days before World War II, you're absolutely correct--it's a shameful part of our nation's history.

But Elvira Arellano is hardly in danger of going to a concentration camp, is she?

because they have not assimilated
Culture=The predominating attitudes and behavior that characterize the functioning of a group or organization.

And that of course means our culture includes our laws, and the way we want them enforced. The reason all immigrants come to our country is for our culture. So tell me, since their home culture was so bad they wanted to leave, why do they insist on bringing it with them. Look all over the world, where, except some country that operates under the so-called Western European culture, do people really want to go to.

That’s why England, France, Germany, and many other countries are having so much problem — they are permitting their culture, their reason, their mode for living, to be destroyed.

We spent a month in Greece and said the Greece are the friendliest and most helpful people ever. But when we visit Nuremberg, Frankfurt, Copenhagen, Stockholm, etc., the Greeks are a problem, because they have not assimilated.

Tell me, just what part of the Mexican culture, or what part of any other culture in any part of the world, would you like to have replace part of our culture?

And for that matter, if there is some part of our culture that you would like to eliminate, what country did it come from?

gets an anesthetic, “tails” he doesn’t.
Here we go again, giving one so-called lonely woman from Mexico full magical powers. First of all, I’ll bet Elvira Arellano didn’t cross the border on her own, and by her self. And unless she is insisting she has the power of the Virgin Mary, I’ll bet she even had help becoming pregnant.

So why aren’t we looking for the man (or whatever you would call him) who is responsible for all this.

And don’t for the moment think this problem is limited to a criminal Mexican. And remember, she has never called it rape, so she is as guilty of child abuse as the male.

I know I have posted this before, but here it is again, for those of you who aren’t aware of the real problem. Let’s make sure we find the name of the idiot responsible for the conception, then castrate him.

Prior to the operation a short ceremony will determine that “heads” he gets an anesthetic, “tails” he doesn’t.

Conic
We absolutely have right to know who the father is when he shirks his duty to support his child and we have to take up the slack.

Inconsistent
It is worth note that the same people who are constantly telling us how bad America is are the same ones who think deporting someone FROM America is an act of unimaginable cruelty. If America is all that bad, then the illegals should be happy to leave.

That said, legal immigrants are a huge benefit to this nation, which is on the verge of a labor shortage, and which needs an influx of people who really appreciate and love America, as opposed to the lefties who want to destroy it.

Conic
The ID of the boy's father is important to the US taxpayer. He can pay for his son rather than getting me and my rich gringo friends to do it for him.

A Nation Built on an Idea
America is the first nation to be founded on a set of principles. As such, it is reasonable to expect immigrants to be in agreement with those principles, and most are. I would venture to say that there is a much higher sense of loyalty to America among immigrants than among native born university students.

But illegals like Elvira seek to undermine the founding principles of the country, and impose her ideas using emotional blackmail. She and her ilk are not immigrants, they are invaders, and should be treated as such.

I favor increasing immigration quotas, and think that race is irrelevant. But I also believe in the rule of law, and loyalty, not just to America's institutions, but its founding ideals.

jim
Good morning! The lack of assimilation really is the key to the candy store. I blame it on all those multi-cultural programs. ESL in our schools, bilingual ballots etc. Don't forget corporate America has also pandered to this baloney as well. Start with the Cinco De Mayo ads. All of this has led to an entitlement mentality. It's one thing to think your entitled to things as an American but to think your entitled to anything as a foreigner is complete and utter arrogance.

Militant Leftist and Turn Left
I would respond to your ignorant posts but stupid is as stupid does. So what would be the point?

To all
the left-wing nuts out there, I have a few questions:

Is Mexico's immigration policy racist?

If not, why not?

How about you libs allow an illegal to simply waltz into your home uninvited, raid the fridge, sully the bathroom and drop as many kids as can be managed onto the living room sofa, all the while claiming the "right" to do so and demanding even more, and that you pay for it?

Or would it be racist of you to call ICE?

AliveInHim
Don't forget the libs also need to let every member of the illegal's family come in as well.

what part of "illegal"
they just don't get it,how hard is to know that illegal means just that,send them home so we don't have to pay for their jail time. if we went to Mexico illegal you can damm well bet that we would be sent home at the very least.

Lolo
Re: Militant Moron & Looney Left Turn:

You have the right idea. The best response to garbage like this is NON REPONSE. Perhaps if we continue to ignore them, they’ll go away, realizing their rants have ZERO effect, produce only ridicule, and waste their time.

Lolo
Thanks for responding: I guess I left out an important part of the picture, there! I also notice nobody's taken up the challenge. :)

Isn't it amazing how generous liberals can be with OTHER peoples' money, homes, and employment opportunities?

Ragner Danneskjold
I grow weary of the non sensical goofy stuff they post day after day. Time and History are always a creation of their choosing. they are purporting the same non facts and arguments going on five years now. Yet time and history have moved forward while they stay behind.

And why is it lately we seem to also have an infestation of racists? So much for the party of human rights.

AliveInHim
Yes it is amazing. I live in the land of liberals. They are always generous with other peoples time and money. Yet they have the utter gall to complain how they have no money or can't buy a home. I think they never learned charity begins at home. When you start there it makes you much more capable of being charitable towards others.

Aha
In re the post from R D, someone else gets it! The best way to deal with those I call "the infesters" is to never, ever respond to anything they post. They are the equivalent of bratty three-year olds, haveing a temper tantrum to gain attention. Don't give them any attention, and they will ultimately go away. It is useless to try to cite facts to change their devotion to their bankrupt ideology.

Lolo
Nor do they see that the more they take, the less I have to give in the first place. But then fo any individual to give where he sees fit implies using one's judgment and of course we all know that we can't have that-some who don't deserve sympathy might not get it, LOL!

AliveInHim
AMEN!!!!!

I have an idea...
I think Elvira and her anchor-bambino ought to go shack up over at militant lefty's place for a couple of months... I'm sure the 3 of them would make a nice, happy family... What do ya say, Lefty ? You got a spare bedroom for the kid, don't ya ?

Challenge them

Chicago is a long way from Tijuana.

San Ysidro is just this side of the border.

As currently interpreted, Elvira's son, Saul, is a U.S. citizen by birth. He can't be 'stripped of his citizenship and sent home'. He is home.

Work with that.

Remaining in the U.S., he will be taken care of by someone, or some organization, here.

If that someone or organization relocates him to San Ysidro (a few short blocks and mere minutes from the international crossing between Tijuana and the U.S.) he will continue to receive every benefit to which he, as a U.S. citizen is entitled (perhaps even enough education to actually learn English) and be able to visit his mother as often as each desires.

In practice, he could live with his mother in Tijuana; crossing back into the U.S. every school day, and to receive other social services.

If this were done, Elvira's chief complaint (and that of so many other deceitful folks) of familial separation would be effectively countered--indeed, negated.

And every time Elvira kisses Saul goodbye, as he freely re-enters HIS country, she will be reminded of the opportunities her poor decisions have deprived her of.

for confused: Yes, you are "confused"
confused writes: "why isn't the kid's automatic citizenship profiting from an illegal act?"

You really ARE confused.

The U.S. Constitution states that all persons born in America are automatically citizens. No preconditions, no caveats. It's his automatic BIRTHRIGHT and it would take a Constitutional Amendment to change that.

How he got to be born in America is totally irrelevant. If Klingons invaded America from outer space and gave birth to kids inside our borders, THEY would become American citizens too.

for olddoc
olddoc writes: "How typical that you misclassify every person who believes in LEGAL immigration as racist xenophobic, etc. It does relieve you of the burden of rational thought."

Yet what I see are complaints about the illegal immigrants' BEHAVIOR--they have too many kids and they drive drunk and so on. I can't see anything about our immigration laws that would make them behave that way, so the implication is that this is just the way Hispanic immigrants are.

I don't think the social conservatives of this discussion would want such people here in America EVEN IF they met the requirements for citizenship. They just don't like millions of people who are of Hispanic culture, that's all.

In all this talk about "assimilation" there's an assumption that Hispanic culture AS IT IS is unsuitable for America. Right?

for momof5girls: please clarify
momof5girls writes: "The difference between welcoming immigrants during the early 1900's and today is that the immigrants of yesteryear (like my grandparents) ASSIMILATED. Though his parents only spoke Italian when they arrived on our shores, my father only spoke English."

But Bush's immigration bill, which you social conservatives shot down, required immigrants to learn English as a precondition for citizenship. Yet that didn't satisfy you. So by "assimilation," what more do you want besides English?

What exactly do these illegal immigrants DO that you all find so objectionable? Is it that you think they have large families? Or they get drunk too often? What is it about their behavior that turns you off, exactly?

SteveL
You're the one who confused. There is indeed a caveat in the Constitution that states newborns must be "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States". That language was put there so that newborns of visitors would not be citizens and the Senator that sponsored the amended stated as much. It takes no constitutional amendment to change that. It takes a constitutional amendment to clarify it in order to overrule the liberal judges who ruled to ignored that plain language the same way they did in the Kelo and McCain-Feingold decisions.

remember rights as well as laws
What I find most disheartening in this debate is that people have forgotten individual rights:

the pursuit of happiness should, must, include the right to live wherever you can.

Many Americans are putting state sovereignty over the universal rights of individuals as put forth in the Declaration of Independence.

I also find it interesting that businesses can usually move wherever they want, but labor, individuals, cannot!?

Everyone everywhere should have the right to move where they want. Thus, all states need to make laws that allow people from everywhere to migrate to their land. The same way businesses can do. The law of supply and demand cannot operate without freedom of movement.

Thus, states, including the United States, should be able to make laws of all sorts but not laws that restrict individuals' freedom of movement.

(Obviously, individuals or members of groups that aim to or violate other's rights would not be able to have this freedom of movement. Thus I am for a wall/fence on both borders so we can know who is in our country, but all people of good will should be welcome)

what rights am I talking about
I posted this on Voice of Reason's blog on
Wednesday, February, 21, 2007 11:31 PM
http://voice.townhall.com/ see
"The Pursuit of . . . Values?"

I seek to retain the inherent right of every
one to pursue happiness.
The only exceptions to this are when someone's pursuit of happiness would take away someone
else's inherent rights to such things as
life, health (freedom from physical harm not
the right to free health care), liberty, or property (an alienable right - other than
your birthday suit;).

The exceptions don't include lifestyle.
Especially economic lifestyle.
Which is something individuals might Value - according to your definition - something to
obtain or retain.
So if someone's pursuit of happiness takes away from your salary or increases competition for
your job, too bad.

This belief is why am more or less for open borders.
Not completely - see exceptions above.

So the right to pursue happiness should include but not be limited to:
the freedom of movement (voting with one's feet),
the freedom to work where one is (cap)able,
the freedom to acquire and dispense with property,
etc.

These abilities are what make the pursuit of happiness if not a right universally valued a universal right, non

more on rights
So, from J.W. Randolph’s _The Virginia Report_
1850, http://www.constitution.org/rf/vr.htm,
we learn:
“The Doctrine of '98 [the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions, when taken together], properly understood and grounded, is a valuable guide to interpretation of the Constitution in accordance with the original understanding of the Founders and the assurances concerning construction that were the basis for ratification and which therefore are an unwritten part of the Constitution. The documents which comprise it stand as a manifesto of constitutionalism, strict constructionism, or originalism, and are comparable in importance to Madison's Notes on the Debates in the Federal Convention, the Federalist Papers, and the ratification Debates in the Several State Conventions, collected and published by Jonathan Elliott. It has several key components:
1. Rights arising out of the state of nature and civil society are recognized by the Constitution, not created by it. They would exist even if not recognized, and repeal of such recognitions would not authorize violations of them.
2. Privileges or immunities, which includes rights, recognized or created by the Constitution, are those of persons, not just citizens, unless otherwise stated.
8. Rights may not be disabled by legislation, either in whole or in part, for any class of persons. Legislation may only prescribe the rights to be disabled as the result of judicial due process ending in an order of the court, with each individual having the right to have his case tried and proven separately.
9. Having a right implies having the right to acquire, possess, and use the means to exercise the right, and neither the exercise or the means may be taxed.”

They are not immigrants
I keep saying this over and over. Those who come illegally into America across a border that has no barrier are NOT coming as "immigrants." They are coming strictly as criminals and obviously, they wish to stay criminals.

Stealing a social security number is NOT a step in the formal immigration process. People crossing the border from Mexico do not want to become immigrants. They want money and strictly money. They make no attempt to become legal. They "demand" rights simultaneously as they break laws. They commit crimes and yell "racist" when the country wants to deport them.

All they want is the good stuff, the money, the job -- none of the responsibility (such as learning English), none of the accountability, and certainly not to give up their homeland. I believe they should all be rounded up and deported. And hooray for Wolfgang; he is right. This is NOT 1907. The very last thing this country needs is 10 million people who lack even a basic high school education, lack English-speaking skills and believe that the path to a good job is to start by stealing someone's SSN.

Insanity
Who thought it was a good idea to give citizenship to children of anyone who is not a citizen. This should be changed, especially for illegals.

Everyonesfacts
So I guess you're saying that 1 billion people from China and India could just come here if they fell like it and then we would just have to figure out where they will stay and where they will work, not to mention health care, social services, etc. I guess you're saying that there's no such thing as a soverign nation. I have a quote for you..."Liberalism is a mental disorder", Michael Savage

SteveL
You know what this social conservative shot down about that immigration bill? LETTING FELONS STAY! Furthermore you can require them to learn English language all you want but if you don't make English the offical language and do away with the crutches that have actually harmed them more than helped it's all lip service. And it is all lip service because the Simpson-Mazzoli Act of 1986 had all of those things about language and the problem has escalated.

everyonesfacts, say what????
"the pursuit of happiness should, must, include the right to live wherever you can.
Many Americans are putting state sovereignty over the universal rights of individuals as put forth in the Declaration of Independence."

What kind of pablum is that?! The rights outlined in the Founding Documents are specifically referring to the rights of CITIZENS of the United States. These rights are, of course, universal rights that EVERY sovreign nation SHOULD afford its citizens.

If a nation does NOT afford these rights to its citizens, OUR nation offers the opportunity for those oppressed peoples to enter our country LEGALLY, forsake the oppressive country of their birth and become CITIZENS.

One interesting side note: those wonderful founding documents are written in ENGLISH - the language of freedom and the language of our LAWS.

Right to happiness
comes from the US DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE and is not part of some "universal" right.

People who want to immigrate here have to abide by the laws.

We could up the legal # from c. 800,000, which is too low. But Kennedy in 1966 changed the %'s so more "people of color" than Europeans. That balance needs to be readdressed again.

This overlooking of "illegal" is what got the enormous drug problem buried forever in the US. It cannot be condoned. The border is a matter of security.

In my state two weeks ago, two illegals killed three coll. students. One had just been indicted for raping a 5 yr. old and had a previous record. The other had been "deported" but had obviously never left.

Get them out of the country. Period.

Cyndi 12:03
Great post! We are known by those who hate us.

A great badge of honor.

Assimilation
Here is why ALL immigrants must be required to assimilate or be deported.

Follow the logic.

Q: Why does an immigrant come here?

A: Because life is better here.

Q: Why is life better here?

A: Because of the way we do things.

Q: So what happens when immigrants don't assimilate?

A: They contniue to do things the way they did in their home country.

Q: What's wrong with that?

A: If the way they did things in their home country was so good they never would have left. And if we allow them to stay here, and allow them to bring their families and friends, and allow all of them to refuse to assimilate, it won't be long before this country is no better a place to live than the place they left.

It makes NO SENSE to come here from "the old country" because life is better here if you're just going to turn this country into a place just like "the old country". Assimilate or go home. It's the law.

Arby
If they plan on taking up permanent residence they are immigrants
if not they are something else, sojourners?

3kidzmom
Do your homework.
If your descendants had lived in the US since 1619 and you were
not a citizen and neither would your children be the 14th Am.
would be a good thing.

Should it be amended. I would support that. Althoug I think the
problem of anchor babies, as it is called, is minor.

orlando cajun
Ask me something in the realm of possibility in the hypothetical and
I would answer it.

But I will answer your points as I see them following principle and being
realistic:
"So I guess you're saying that 1 billion people from China and India could just come here if they fell like it"

I would put a yearly quota on immigration of 1% of a population per year
except in drastic situations - Darfurians entering Chad, etc - this for
the U.S. would be about 3 million a year


"and then we would just have to figure out where they will stay and where they will work, not to mention health care, social services, etc. I guess you're saying that there's no such thing as a soverign nation."

The illegal immigration we currently have questions our sovereignty.
You read assumptions into my post which are not there. If you can find
anywhere in any of my posts where I say anything about government
provided housing, jobs, social services, etc. please quote.

Anyways, there would have to be appropriate background checks to find
that the people who wish to enter are people of good will and not a
drain on society - criminal, medical, work, etc. - and after entry a
time, not less than 5 years imho, where the immigrant would have to
prove his good will here.

Chris
"The rights outlined in the Founding Documents are specifically referring to the rights of CITIZENS of the United States. These rights are, of course, universal rights that EVERY sovreign nation SHOULD afford its citizens."

Say what? Let me quote the DOI:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

I will be bold and say we should include all women as well as all men.

"If a nation does NOT afford these rights to its citizens, OUR nation offers the opportunity for those oppressed peoples to enter our country LEGALLY, forsake the oppressive country of their birth and become CITIZENS."

If you read my post I am for legal immigration. I have further clarified
my original posts without retracting anything I've written before.
I am not dissapointed in how our country treats individuals pursuing
happiness I just think we could do better and we could enter into
reciprocal agreements that lead other countries into securing this
important right.

"One interesting side note: those wonderful founding documents are written in ENGLISH - the language of freedom and the language of our LAWS."

Yes, but you still have to be able to comprehend what is meant by
archaic words like "all men"

SteveL's question

"In all this talk about "assimilation" there's an assumption that Hispanic culture AS IT IS is unsuitable for America. Right?"

That's right. As is eastern european culture defined with 50 years of comunism/socialism.

I left it behind and I don't want to see it again, thank you very much. But typical win-win for too many immigrants is "why not keep A,B and C from the old country? Where is the harm in that?". You know why not? Because it's usually exactly that A, B and C what made their country of origin so shi**y they had to escape from it.

Counter question for SteveL: How would you feel if both of your closest neighbors got accused of not paying taxes, then ACLU steps in and finds their way out of it in the court and on the top of that, makes government give them money for time lost in court? Would you feel like a sucker? Wouldn't you ask yourself "Why in the world am I paying the taxes when not doing so is not punishable in the court of law?"

Because if you would, that's the same sucker feeling we legal immigrants get after waiting years to *enter* this country and then some more years to get OK to *stay* legally.


Everyonesfacts
Thanks for the response. That's a far cry from your first post. Clarification acknowledged.


Renny
"Right to happiness comes from the US DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE and is not part of some "universal" right."

Yes, the part of the DOI that lists individuals' rights.
I am sorry you don't believe you should not have a right to pursue
happiness. I hope you believe you have a right to life.

"People who want to immigrate here have to abide by the laws."

Yes, and our laws should be more in line with universal rights that is
all I am saying.

"We could up the legal # from c. 800,000, which is too low. But Kennedy in 1966 changed the %'s so more "people of color" than Europeans. That balance needs to be readdressed again."

Yes I am for increasing it up to 1%

"This overlooking of "illegal" is what got the enormous drug problem buried forever in the US. It cannot be condoned. The border is a matter of security."

I am for building 2 fences on each border. $ from entrance fees,
background checks could help pay for this.

"In my state two weeks ago, two illegals killed three coll. students. One had just been indicted for raping a 5 yr. old and had a previous record. The other had been "deported" but had obviously never left."

I am not for illegal immigration. As I said people of good will would be
the only ones legally allowed to immigrate. And people who show
themselves to be otherwise during their waiting period would have
to emigrate back to their countries of origin.

"Get them out of the country. Period."

Who is them? Unclear based on the breadth of your post.

SteveL's question episode II

"What exactly do these illegal immigrants DO that you all find so objectionable? Is it that you think they have large families? Or they get drunk too often? What is it about their behavior that turns you off, exactly?"

Shortest answer I can possibly write : because they live in tribes, not society. And I don't care which language they speak - it might as well be English. Rule of the tribe, help those inside, to hell with those outside and if we don't like outside laws ... to hell with them, too. We have our own laws and had them for centuries. That's how our country of origin got to be so great we had to leave it.

Logic would say that if you don't assimilate and for at least 3 years socialize ONLY with people from your new country and explicitly avoid people from your old country ... if you don't do that, you are preapproved - for life in ghetto. By doing so, you also mathematically cannot be expected to do good in this society and, instead of becoming a resource, you become weight.

Re: "everyonesfacts"
“everyonesfacts" now concedes that “Immigrants” by definition, should enter LEGALLY, but still has a problem understanding who should be a admitted. Let me clarify it for you with a reprint of a previous post.

21st Century Immigration.
A little over a century ago these familiar words by poet Emma Lazarus were placed at the base of the Statue of Liberty:

“Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.”

Those were nice and appropriate words for then. But that was THEN. This is NOW. What was sound immigration policy for the late 19th Century when there was high demand for unskilled and semi skilled labor, is no longer appropriate for the 21st Century. Set aside the volatile issue of ILLEGAL aliens. Our borders should be WELDED SHUT for numerous reasons: illegals and terrorists to name a few. We need a “revised” immigration policy and perhaps a “revised” plaque at the base of the Statue of Liberty to reflect this “revised” new policy. It should read as follows:

“Give us your Energetic and Ambitious; your Highly Skilled and Well Educated; your Law Abiding citizens, yearning to ASSIMILATE and Contribute to their adopted country”

Future immigration should be rigidly restricted to such select people, regardless of ethnicity or national origin. All others NEED NOT APPLY!




First of all, it's NOT the "Right to

happiness" that comes from the US DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE... it's the "pursuit of happiness"... and is NOT part of some "universal" right."

That's where the bleeding heart liberals don't get it.....

There is NO document anywhere that guarantees anyone's right to happiness... Not even in the USA!

And, the Declaration of Independence does NOT guarantee the right of "pursuit of happiness" to anyone from any other country......any more than any document from any other country guarantees anything to US citizens.

Got that? Probably not!

Militant Leftist,
Great argument. Many valid, reasoned points are being made for deportation and your argument is "you meanies!". Your liberal argument is typical and old.

I don't believe this
SteveL,

"What exactly do these illegal immigrants DO that you all find so objectionable? Is it that you think they have large families? Or they get drunk too often? What is it about their behavior that turns you off, exactly?"

You have got to be kidding.

Illegals have killed more Americans since 2003 than have died in Iraq and Afghanistan combined.

They rob citizens.

They rape citizens.

They take jobs away from teenagers, retirees, and unskilled workers. In so doing they debase the entire compensation system of the communities where they work.

They get free "entitlements" from government programs to which they have not contributed.

They commit voter fraud by voting in elections for which they are not eligible.

A group of them calling themselves "La Raza" ("the race") has publicy announced its belief that the land that changed hands in 1847 in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (which includes New Mexico, Arizona, California, Nevada, Colorado, and part of Utah) legally belongs to Mexico and their intention to reclaim it. They also finagled their way into the Senate meeting where the recent shameful amnesty bill was drafted that the Senate tried to shove down the throat of the unwilling public.

They are driving on our streets and highways where they cause a disproportionate share of accidents.

They are used by drug smugglers to bring drugs across the border.

They create additional fatherless chidren (often intentionally, as anchor babies) that become even more of a burden on the welfare system.

They have no respect for our laws, our language, or us.

Is that enough for you?

Anne
Another thing they don't get is words mean something. Strung together in a particular order they can mean alot or very little. Ask any lawyer that writes contracts.

Wiseone
Hi! Did you know your famous???

I don't believe this either
everyonesfacts,

"Many Americans are putting state sovereignty over the universal rights of individuals as put forth in the Declaration of Independence."

and

"Everyone everywhere should have the right to move where they want. Thus, all states need to make laws that allow people from everywhere to migrate to their land. The same way businesses can do. The law of supply and demand cannot operate without freedom of movement.

"Thus, states, including the United States, should be able to make laws of all sorts but not laws that restrict individuals' freedom of movement."


The DOI is a great document, but it is not law.

From the Constitution:

Article I, Section 8;

"The Congress shall have Power To ...

establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization ..."

Article I, Section 9;

"The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight"

It is well past 1808.

And from Article 4, Section 2 we get:

"The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States."

Nobody is trying to restrict the rights of CITIZENS. We are trying to enforce the very Constitutional immigration laws that are on the books. Laws that were passed in 1986 that included AMNESTY in return for the PROMISE that the border would be enforced.

We gave the bleeding hearts their precious amnesty. Now WHERE'S OUR FENCE???!!!




gwco2skeptic writes:
""Now, being a liberal on immigration means not believing in borders at all, deporting nobody, regardless of their crimes, and openly flouting the rule of law. Basically, to determine the liberal position on any issue these days, you simply need to imagine the policy that would best undermine America and her way of life.""
---------------------------------------------------
I have no criticism of what you said, but I needed the words to make a point.

Some of you, maybe most, didn't read a column on TH just a day or two ago, may have been Ann Coulter, where it was pointed out that the ADMINISTRATION, ie., Jorge Bush, asked ICE to take this Mexican "lady" down and deport her BECAUSE it would help to raise a public stink and can be used against US in the next Immigration go round in the congress.

Do you get it now...........

Our government, more precisely Jorge the Bush, is using this incident to accomplish exactly what he tried to do in JUNE. Think for a minute. Think like a bedamned politician who wants to ram his open borders down our/your throats whether anyone likes it or not. I have spent too many years overseas not to have learned a thing or two.

This woman was interviewed by the president of Mexico two days ago. She has been on every important news channel and radio and newspapers since she got to Mexico. This "woman" will be back in the U.S.A. before you/we get through clearing our throats. Half or more of the illegals working in The U.S. go back and forth at least once a year. You know for vacation since they are so worn out from doing two jobs a day, and deserve a "vacation" back with their kind in their environment. Then they usually come back to the U.S. to the very same job they left.

Read NAU when Jorge speaks on any subject.


Lolo
Hi.

How am I famous?

onceamarine
Problem is I don't think it's going to work. I think it's going to back fire. They pulled this stunt before ever letting the public calm down first. She should have stayed in that church about another ten years.

Wiseone

A small correction. The states of Colorado and New Mexico are partially made up of the treaty of Hidalgo. The other considerable part was taken from Texas by the federal government. Texas raised a stink visa a letter sent to Washington that said, give it back or we will take it back.

Things were settled amicably when the Feds sent $12,000,000.00 dollars, a lot of money in those days, to Texas in exchange for not taking it back. Austin then built the state capitol building with those funds.

Therefore, those parts would not be under that treaty, but rather under the papers signed by General Santana at his surrender to the Texans.

All that being said your points are well taken.


Wiseone
Go and Read Lisa De Pasquale article. She quotes you specifically.

In the Light of Day
My last post was written in the middle of the night and perhaps was not my most artful. But I don't take back any of it.

Here a little of what it is to be Militant Leftist. I have gotten so sick of people on the left playing patsy to those on the right. If you punch us we should punch back. Mr. Reagan's article was crude and hateful to immigrants, women and liberals. So I intentionally was strong in my response to show we will not be bullied.

I have worked many years in the hotel industry in San Diego. Thus my wages were definitely lower because of illegal aliens who were willing to work for less, often because they had two or three jobs. Even so my support for unfettered immigration never wavered.

Here are some reasoned arguments.

The 12 million illegal immigrants will never go home.

It would take the army to deport them and the army is busy right, if you hadn't noticed while following Bush's advice to fight the terrorists by "shopping."

Right now 12 million illegal aliens is an insignificant number in a country of 302,316,000. In reality America could simulate the entirety of the Mexican population in the unlikely event that they all came.

Mexicans are assimilating as quickly or quicker than previous immigrants. It is highly unusual for a significant percentage of first generation immigrants to master English. My church still had German services nearly 100 years after the last big German immigration. The real test is the percentage of 2nd generation immigrants who speak English and despite the hype those numbers are quite good among Mexicans.

Harsh measures against illegal immigrants will only slow assimilation and increase crime. If a Mexican can't go to the police if his daughter is raped without fear of being deported he will go to a gang leader. And thanks to the excellent experience gained by many Mexican Americans in Iraq these gangs will be some of the fiercest seen in the US.

onceamarine
Thank you.

I have always wondered why the state of Texas on the map of the US doesn't include all of the area that it did when Texas won its independence from Mexico.

Ragnar Danneskjold
1. I was never for illegal immigration. I am for making our laws to
better secure and ensure universal, held by everyone who hasn't
by his actions lost them, rights. Off topic a little, but I am also for
making laws that better ensure rights to life, health, and liberty.

You new policy of
“Give us your Energetic and Ambitious; your Highly Skilled and Well Educated; your Law Abiding citizens, yearning to ASSIMILATE and Contribute to their adopted country” is to highly restrictive and of
course goes against past practice and what most Americans believe.
IF you have stayed our of trouble and can stay out of trouble here and
find yourself some work and a place to live you should be welcome.


everyonesfacts: Sound good on paper!

Not our responsibility!


sorry
Should read America could assimilate the entire population of Mexico.

anne
I believe this is a reply to some of my posts, but if it is nowhere do I
claim a right of happiness. I believe I have been consistent in showing
that movement is part of the right to pursue happiness.

But anyways,
Anne writes: Friday, August, 24, 2007 7:53 PM
First of all, it's NOT the "Right to
happiness" that comes from the US DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE... it's the "pursuit of happiness"... and is NOT part of some "universal" right."

Already mentioned the straw man argument of right of happiness above.
Universal means it covers everybody thus all men [and women] have the
right to pursue happiness. Obviously this can be forfeited through
taking away other's rights.


"And, the Declaration of Independence does NOT guarantee the right of "pursuit of happiness" to anyone from any other country......any more than any document from any other country guarantees anything to US citizens. Got that? Probably not!"

No, don't got it. Everyone everywhere (unless they have forfeited it)
has the right to pursue happiness. This is given by God not the DOI,
though the DOI clearly defines that it is given by the Creator, not the
Constitution. You are human you have the right. Part 2 it is the job
of a government not to give you these rights but to secure them. This
is also in the 2nd paragraph of the DOI.

Lolo
Ms. Pasquale can quote me anytime.

I saw you were posting on that thread. It sur got mean in there, didn't it?

wiseone
wiseone writes: Friday, August, 24, 2007 8:40 PM
I don't believe this: "Many Americans are putting state sovereignty over the universal rights of individuals as put forth in the Declaration of Independence." and "Everyone everywhere should have the right to move where they want. Thus, all states need to make laws that allow people from everywhere to migrate to their land. The same way businesses can do. The law of supply and demand cannot operate without freedom of movement."Thus, states, including the United States, should be able to make laws of all sorts but not laws that restrict individuals' freedom of movement."

The DOI is a great document, but it is not law.
From the Constitution:
Article I, Section 8;
"The Congress shall have Power To ...
establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization ..."

And from Article 4, Section 2 we get:

"The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States." . . .WHERE'S OUR FENCE???!!!

1st off, no one here is more for the fence than me. Without it and the
border guards necessary to arrest border jumpers.

More importantly is the bigger question of what laws should do. The
reason for a government is to secure our rights. So I am for Art. I Sec. 8
and for our representatives making laws that give us the greatest extent
of our rights. Other than life all our rights are or should be restricted in
some way, but as little as possible. FWIW rights are greater than laws or
at least should be. A law killing anyone with the name of wiseone should
not trump your right to life.

I think you're also missing my point of entering into reciprocal
agreements with other countries. America could be again the home of
freedom - here and abroad.

wiseone
Amen brother! Mean is an understatement!!!

"illegal immigration"
Those who enter our country illegally are ILLEGAL ALIENS/INVADERS. NOT JUST IMMIGRANTS!! According to my dictionary..."alien: Owing political allegiance to another country or government; foreign. Invade: To encroach or intrude upon; violate or to overrun or infest or To enter and spread harm through invasion."
I am short and sweet regarding immigration. If you want to make a better life for yourself and family (which we are granted the right for the "pursuit of happiness" not the right to happiness as someone earlier had stated)...Come here legally. Not strong arming your way here and make demands on MY country, no matter what your origin. As both sets of my grandparents did. MY parents spoke English as required by their parents, not to continue in German or Croatian. Where is pride in our country by the liberals, they are only ashamed of our laws. THEY need to immigrate elsewhere...legally of course.

Militant Leftist`
Your wrong. Since Presidente Jorge suspended the Posse Cometatis (something like that) act the military now has the right to police the public. This is wrong and a crime punishable by death to him under the treason laws, but I digress. They could now pull back all of the military and make them police the citizens and get rid of all illegals. There doing it in Mexico right now with the Southern Invaders close to the train tracks of a closed train. So why now...If the act is gone...can't the military police and deport all non-citizens? I'll tell you why. Habeaus Corpus and the Possy were retracted for the sole purpose of Martial Law and the president nor any other person in power will use it to get rid of illegals. They just want to controll us citizens and they show that by the new agreement between them and this countries clergy that when..And it will happen soon with the new flase flag attack shaping up in California..Martial law is enacted they will help convince the public and their persioners to give up there guns to the government. Do some research for God's sake. If we put the military and law enforcement to the task that we put the military in other countries to then mabye we could get them out fast. That is if we can find the illegals like the WMD's that were there. Do you read anything?

Im and ex-marine and I read.

Stormy
A "former" Marine. There are no "ex" Marines.
Semper Fi............

Pudel Lover

Great idea having the libs all immigrate away from the U.S. However why screw up those other countries anymore than they are. The best part would be when they came crawling back, tail between the legs, and crying for one more chance. Now we understand, they would say.

Probably would be a great thing for this country if we took all the libs and sentenced them to live in one of a number of countries around the world. No doubt it would produce 10% hard core libs and 90% flat out conservatives when and if they were ever let back in the U.S.A.



Lolo

I was going to ask, who in H is Ms Pasquale.

On second thought, I don't want to know.

Prudellover and onceamarine
Better yet create the ability through reciprocal laws that anyone in the
US, libs or cons, can go to any country who enters into such an
agreement. There is no NEED for libs or cons to emigrate it should
be a choice.

This would be more in line with freedom.
We're all still for freedom, right?

everyonesfacts
Sounds good. Most countries would much prefer our conservatives. Having spent half of my life overseas - non military, I have some experience in the matter. Speaking more than one language, fluently, also gives a rather unique vantage point from which to speak, yes and to judge.

The problem with those we call libs is that they have nothing to compare to. They are all caught up in their thoughts and "feelings", and are a danger to themselves and anybody attached to them, attached as in voting rights. When you have too many libs, you soon lose your "freedoms" and "rights".



Libs are not liberals

This country was founded by liberals. Libs are more like sick children. And they congregate together shaking their heads in wonderment as each "non judgment" they make or rather is made for them by someone who just wants their power, the power of the vote, tells them this is so sad or so bad.

They are absolutely worthless as citizens of a freedom loving republic. They do not deserve to live in or even less to participate in the electoral process of such a republic. They are defective people and soon, in a future world they are helping to create, will be sent to reeducation camps (labor performing schools). That is the ultimate, satirical end result of their votes.

They change the country to a non liberty country run by unelected tyrants who will soon rid themselves of the unfortunate "libs".



liberals and Liberals
yes, there is a difference between a classical liberal which is what I
consider myself and Liberals with a capital L (why oh why do so few
THers capitalize this l when it is needed when posters use libs it is
obvious they are talking about Libs) who are for more government
involvement in people's lives.

Of course there is also the belief among many THers that Liberals
are socialists or communists which isn't true (if it is one should just
call them socialist or communist) and leftist which to my eyes needs
to be defined every time it is used. Many or most THers call anyone
from moderates, like Clinton to socialists like the Castros leftists.
Which makes everything clear as mud.

Anyways, I have to disagree with your point on libs being able to
participate in elections. Actually, I think it is silly. What the problem
is that laws should have to conform to liberal (small l) rights and the
Constitution. This would produce more need to pass Amendments
to the Constitution and fewer laws this is not happening.

So, to tie this back to the column I am looking for our elected officials
to create naturalization laws more in line with classical liberal rights as
is allowed by the Constitution and called for by the DOI

everyonesfacts

Yes, I thought you might be or at least consider yourself to be a Liberal. I don't capitalize words that rub me wrong and my spell dictionary didn't correct me either.

Actually, I answered you because you aren't a "lib". Neither did I think you would like my statement about libs not participating in elections or in fact even living here. Where is here. I am not here. I am overseas. Being absent physically is not being absent in reality or spirit.

I was quite serious not that the world cares what you or I think or care about. It is just a shame that those who have these terrible pangs of anguish for things distant from them, people in other countries they don't know and will never know. People with whom they could never make mental contact because that means understanding the other, should have so many STUPID opinions about what is right and what is wrong as though anybody cared what they think. Nobody cares.

It is all hogwash. Live and let live. But especially defend your and your country men's rights. Don't be in such a hurry to change things. More damage is done by wanting to be right than through patience. Liberty is lost to the impatient and careless. Liberty must be carefully guarded, very carefully because their are ALWAYS THOSE who will certainly take your liberties as his new found treasures.




Corr
There are ALWAYS THOSE

everyonesfacts
Freedom is paramount in America. But to keep some semblance of order in our country we can't throw open our borders and tell the world "Come on down, you're the next contestant on Take Advantage Us"
Other countries, as stated earlier on this site, are now suffering because they let the floodgates open and now are neck deep in those who are not becoming part of the (ie German Or English) culture and ARE demanding to be left alone to build a separate country within a country. That is NOT the American idea to me.
I had better brush up on all this double speak I'm hearing/reading. Can't we keep it simple ?

Ho Hum
Moderate, Conservative, Rational People; Give up already!! There is nothing that can be said to Liberal, Progressive, ( Socialist) People that will make any difference. These people have their minds made up with their superior intellect. No margin for error or deviance in their prognostications. Their policy is to continuously resort to name calling & ridicule, towards anyone with the audacity to question their illogical indefensible positions. There is actually not much more that can be said on the subject!!!

Bart

Touché.

onceamarine
Do we have to let the libs back in ?? They need to apply first. Get in line libs.
I'm not wordly, but wouldn't France accept them as one of their own ? Just throwing it out there...

Touché and to all a good night

I am on my third ron añejo with grape fruit juice.

And the music I am listening to is far to beautiful and heart felt to continue this or another conversation....Semper Fi....................

Bart
I agree wholeheartedly.
I have an acquaintance trying to "educate" me on why I should not be anything other than liberal in my views. They won't take no for an answer !

Pudel

Previous message says it all. Until next time. Adios........................

Is Time to get on Working - Part I
Apologists of Elvira Arellano's 2nd deportation are just using this chance to justify their hate mongering and their racism.

The illegal immigration problem is not the illegals. This is a problem due to our dishonesty and hypocrisy.

Apologies for what we did to this woman are not going to wash away our wrong doings or solve our immigration problem.

Our Father who arts in Heavens ... Can we forgive our trespassers? Evidently not. It is more entertaining to vilify and demonize these people than fixing the illegal immigration problem. In the mean time, it is blanket party, fiesta! Yeah! A fiesta presuming condemning illegals when in fact is polishing (shinning) our prejudices in this fabulous "just cause" to avoid being accused of racists or hate mongrels.

I believe enough is been said. Let us keep our wrong doings to Elvira Arellano between our conscience and our Creator. Stop hating and let us roll our sleeves to get working on how we are going to fix for once and for all the illegal influx of people into our country. Let us work in finishing the fence, increase our border patrol, implement a compulsory biometric Tax ID for every employee, fix the interface and collaboration between government agencies and law enforcement agencies, punish severely employers of Illegals, implement a nationwide temporary worker program, and many other things our intelligence and creativity can come up with to positively and definitively get rid of the illegal immigration problem.

(To be Continued)

Is Time to get on Working - Part II
(Continuation ...)

Bottom Line: Stop hating the illegals and start working on not letting them in the First place. Second: Watch this video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=15D3ElV1Jzw.

Third: Check the following speech: “An Invitation to the World That Works”, can be found here: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=21554; and

Forth: Read this whitepaper: “Ending the Dishonesty: The Way Forward on Border Control and Patriotic Immigration”, can be found here: http://www.newt.org/backpage.asp?art=2977.

To all illegals
If you really think the leftist love you during this pre-presidential election time,

while they are giving you every benefit, every entitlement,

giving you a sloppy french kiss cause they "love you" so much,

then wait and see what happens when you help them elect their Clinton pigeon and then they are done using you.

School
To comment on just one aspect of how the foreign nationals take advange of our generosity, did you know that 5 days a week, Mexican national's children are put on a bus and driven from Tijuana into California to attend American schools? What is that all about??????????

Paco, problem due to our dishonesty
You say:
The illegal immigration problem is not the illegals. This is a problem due to our dishonesty and hypocrisy.

Apologies for what we did to this woman are not going to wash away our wrong doings or solve our immigration problem.

=====

If that isn't as near a stupid comment as can be imagined, I don't know what is.

You continue to tell us that if you go in a bank, and some money is laying on the counter, you can help your self, and take what you want. And that is the banks fault, because they didn't have the money in the vault. Stupid is as stupid says.

And then we, the bank's owners, are supposed to apologize to you because you stole the money, and are now weighted down with the problem of spending it all, and enjoying the results of your crime.

This Criminal Mexican spent over a year where she did not belong, then abandoned her child for the publicly she would get. She had no care for the child just for the publicity that would result.

Unlike some idiots say, you don’t need a village to raise a child, you need parents. And if you have a village filled with good parents, you have a village worth living in.


Turn Left
The only thing I can figure out of your calling the columnist racist is you think liberalism is a race, and conservatives natural disgust with many liberals views makes them racist. Well you are wrong. As Dr. Savage says, " Liberalism is a mental disorder". Lately, it seems, many libs are becoming criminally insane. Aw, now I gotta go throw up.

Oops
That should be conservatives'

Hey paco
I see you believe we should FORGIVE our Trespassers..... GREAT,,,
Where do you live Buddy...?

It's about time i got on with some TRESPASSING... I'm sure you got some STUFF I can just take RIGHT?

anchor babies
If we end the anchor baby policy, then splitting up children from deported parents is a non issue. Where were all the liberals handing out the condoms so she wouldn't get pregnant? Why hasn't all their education about sexual health prevented her pregnancy? And how is it she can be in our country this long and not know a word of English? She is not interested in becoming part of America. She is flaunting her criminal behavior in our faces. And what kind of example is she setting for her son? "It's okay to break the law" son if you don't agree with it. And remember we taxpayers paid for her to have a baby.

She found a bleeding heart who would put her in front of a camera and we are supposed to feel sorry for her. Wah wah wah See it's not that hard to deport illegals, if you really want to.

STUFF scooter can just take
scooter writes: Sunday, August, 26, 2007 12:59 AM
Hey paco
I see you believe we should FORGIVE our Trespassers..... GREAT,,,
Where do you live Buddy...?

It's about time i got on with some TRESPASSING... I'm sure you got some STUFF I can just take RIGHT?
=================================================

Well my intrepid confessed thieve, I live in ... check it out ... is in my profile.

People, this is very interesting. Verily it amazes me to see how easy and un-shamefully people bring-out their true self.

ttraider88
Uh hum.

So tell me, if taking over a year to deport Elvira Arellano was so easy, then how long will it take to deport the over 400,000 illegals that already have deportation orders?

Why aren't we deporting those 400,000 illegals?
When are we going to issue deportation orders to the remaining 11,599,999 illegals?

Could it be that one of those illegals is your neighbor next door and you simply look the other way?

Could they may be the people mowing your lawn or fixing your roof or working in the construction of a new housing area in your neighborhood?

Could they be the hundreds of thousands working in our farms? Why won't we go after them?

What are we afraid of? It is call hypocrisy.

jim
You still don't get it, uh?

To kill this huge tree you need to kill the roots not the few reachable leaves.

Jim
jim writes: Saturday, August, 25, 2007 11:53 AM
Paco, problem due to our dishonesty
=================================================

I am not the first American to point out that the illegal immigration problem is due to our dishonesty. I did not coin that statement.

Therefore, thank you, but there are other people greater than me that deserve the credit of telling this truth right on our faces.

My little contribution perhaps is that in addition to dishonesty there is a rampant hypocrisy.

inconvenient truths and questions
"Amiga" Arellano has been an ILLEGAL alien, now twice properly deported. Typically, she lied, deceived and broke the law to come and stay here, then spawned an illegitimate child that we unfortunately call an American citizen, though we should reinterpret that-- those here ILLEGALLY should NOT be considered "subject to our jurisdiction"-- just like children born here of diplomats. Why do apologists for ILLEGALS conveniently overlook the absence of a father in this saga? Should a church be allowed to flaunt violating the law? What does it say that Mexico celebrates her as a heroine, even as Geraldo and Smilin' Juan Hernandez tell us that "Mexico is our good friend"? Should a "good friend" counsel its indigent, uneducated citizens on how to invade America, milk its social services, and send ill-gotten funds back southward to Mexico?!

Some bemoan her being separated from her spawn, but she was free to take el nino with her to their proper home in Mexico. Pretty bold of her to blame America for allowing ILLEGALS to crash the border, but it IS true that Presidente Jorge and too many other enabling pols (Rudy, Sen. Juan McQuisling) with acute myopia treasonously aid and abet the ILLEGAL invasion with willful nonfeasance, even assistance and encouragement.

If we are not careful, America will erode into a third world entitlement state. Time is short; we MUST INSIST that our pols enforce existing laws and preserve our culture, heritage, and socio-economic well-being.

http://www.numbersusa.com/index
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_links
http://www.grassfire.org/
http://www.libertygunrights.com/NAUFactSheet.pdf
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1076.cfm
http://www.eagleforum.org/topics/NAU/
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14965

inconvenient truths and questions
"Amiga" Arellano has been an ILLEGAL alien, now twice properly deported. Typically, she lied, deceived and broke the law to come and stay here, then spawned an illegitimate child that we unfortunately call an American citizen, though we should reinterpret that-- those here ILLEGALLY should NOT be considered "subject to our jurisdiction"-- just like children born here of diplomats. Why do apologists for ILLEGALS conveniently overlook the absence of a father in this saga? Should a church be allowed to flaunt violating the law? What does it say that Mexico celebrates her as a heroine, even as Geraldo and Smilin' Juan Hernandez tell us that "Mexico is our good friend"? Should a "good friend" counsel its indigent, uneducated citizens on how to invade America, milk its social services, and send ill-gotten funds back southward to Mexico?!

Some bemoan her being separated from her spawn, but she was free to take el nino with her to their proper home in Mexico. Pretty bold of her to blame America for allowing ILLEGALS to crash the border, but it IS true that Presidente Jorge and too many other enabling pols (Rudy, Sen. Juan McQuisling) with acute myopia treasonously aid and abet the ILLEGAL invasion with willful nonfeasance, even assistance and encouragement.

If we are not careful, America will erode into a third world entitlement state. Time is short; we MUST INSIST that our pols enforce existing laws and preserve our culture, heritage, and socio-economic well-being.

http://www.numbersusa.com/index
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_links
http://www.grassfire.org/
http://www.libertygunrights.com/NAUFactSheet.pdf
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1076.cfm
http://www.eagleforum.org/topics/NAU/
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=14965

Esteemed Mr. Michael Reagan
Just give it up. You keep giving this poor woman excessively much credit. You are wasting your time focusing on just one easy to catch illegal alien and it took over a year to do so. There are over 400,000 illegal aliens with deportation orders just as Elvira had. How long is it going to take to deport those 400,000 illegals? How long is going to take to issue deportation orders to the 12M to 20M illegals remaining?

You become an accomplice with the hypocrites and dishonest Americans who don't want to fix the illegal immigration problem by diverting our attention, our hate, our xenophobia, toward one individual.

Instead of writing disingenuous articles exacerbating the hate mongrels and xenophobes for the purpose of getting more hits to your article, which perhaps inflates your ego for the excitement and turmoil it generates, why cannot you come up with real solutions to the illegal immigration problem so that we would never have Elvira’s again? In essence, all you are doing is providing this opportunity gift to the racists and xenophobes to express themselves without fearing being labeled as such.

Why cannot you identify the causes (the roots) of the illegal immigration problem and come up with a plan to fix it for once and for all?

why so much anger toward Elvira Arellano
A cursory review of the comments on this blog, has convinced me that , Elvira is the Rosa Parks, of the contemporary human and civil rights movement, in America and the World. Global immigration (legal and illegal) is caused by dislocations in an increasingly interconnected global economy. The movement of hard working decent human beings, north of the Texas border, is caused, by historical and economic factors. That are well understood by the leading economist of the Worlds economic think tanks and Universities. Over 500 of them signed a document, stating that immigration both legal and illegal, is a net economic gain for the host countries economy. (several of the signers of this document won the nobel prize in economics) Most of the people writing in this blog, quite frankly, sound slightly mentally deficient, i also notice, that they are fixated on the color of their skin. The haters of Mexicans, should realize, that polish, irish, etc are also entering this country and overstaying their visas, I dont hear comments complaining about those, "illegal alliens" By just focusing on Mexicans, i cant state, that you qualify as racist. I applaud the courage of Elvira, to stand up to such racist venom, oh by the way, since you fine people, hate the mexicans, shouldn't you also hate the close to 700 billion dollars they have contributed to the social security fund, that they dont qualify to receive, (source, social security adm, numbers that dont match,to legal workers, Money accrued in special fund) So go ahead kick em out, and lower your standards of living, and create one vast appalachia.

Take an econ course and get back to us
patriot:"Most of the people writing in this blog, quite frankly, sound slightly mentally deficient,..."

Ouch, that hurts, especially coming from someone who can't handle basic grammar and punctuation. I'd guess either you had whole language instruction in English or that English is your second language.

$700,000,000,000 has been paid in social security taxes by Mexicans? Mowing lawns and washing dishes must be more lucrative than I thought. I hate to burst your bubble, but there is no magical social security fund, special or otherwise. They spend it as they take it in.


Getting back to you
Gee,Reaganite; The close to 700 billion dollars, is a quote, from an article in the New York times. The wall street journal has also noted that social security will be more bankrupt than it already is, without, the contribution of those hated "illegals" I'll skip the econ course,aqnd let the nobel lauriets in economics speak on my behalf. My grammar may not be as good as yours, but at least I am not a bigot, like the rest of your compadres, who hate brown skin people so much, they are in the process of comitting economic hari kiri. just to keep america white. Just proves my point that you all have to be mentally deficient, and morally bankrupt.
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