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Wednesday, July 01, 2009
Michael Medved :: Townhall.com Columnist
When the Rich Get Rich, Do the Poor Really Get Poorer?
by Michael Medved
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When a dubious economic theory turns up as the punch line in a wildly popular song, its safe to say that the proposition has deeply penetrated the publics consciousness.

The odd notion that when the rich get richer, the poor get poorer received recognition and publicity in the jaunty foxtrot Aint We Got Fun, introduced as part of the vaudeville revue Satires of 1920 and then a huge worldwide hit in recordings and performance after that.

The lyrics, co-written by Tin Pan Alley legend Gus Kahn, describe a young couple facing hard times

Not much money
Oh but honey
Aint we got fun!
The rents unpaid dear
We havent a bus
But smiles were made dear
For people like us
In the winter
In the summer
Dont we have fun?
Times are bum
And getting bummer
Still we have fun
Theres nothing surer
The rich get rich
And the poor get.... children.

The idea that the rich get rich (or richer) as the poor get poorer had already established itself a century ago as such a cherished clich that the songwriters knew the audience would reach for the familiar word to rhyme with surer, and they deliver a laugh by mentioning children instead. The lyrics go on to describe the arrival of twins for the merry, love-struck couple (twins and cares dear/come in pairs dear) and then flaunt the poorer expectations with a darker edge.

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Landlords mad and getting madder

Aint we got fun

Times are bad and getting badder

Still we have fun

Theres nothing surer

The rich get rich

And the poor get laid off.

This little song drew portentous comment from some of the most significant writers of the twentieth century. George Orwell (in The Road to Wigan Pier) saw it as poignant expression of working class anxiety during the painful recession that followed World War I. Citing the bittersweet lyrics he noted that all through the war and for a little time afterwards there had been high wages and abundant employment; things were now returning to something worse than normal, and naturally the working class resisted. The men who had fought had been lured into the army by gaudy promises, and they were coming home to a world where there were no jobs and not even any houses.There was a turbulent feeling in the air.

THE RICH AND THE REST OF US

While novelists ruminated on the vast chasm between the rich and the rest of us, activists and radicals dedicated their lives to closing that gap by shattering the power of the exploiter class. In 1909, the IWW (International Workers of the World) proudly published the first edition of The Little Red Songbook, with ballads and anthems meant to rally laborers everywhere into One Big Union and to smash capitalism once and for all. The preamble to this collection baldly declared: The working class and the employing class have nothing in common. Between these two classes a struggle must go on until workers of the world organize as a class, take possession of the earth and the machinery of production, and abolish the wage system. The most famous hymn in the anthology, Ralph Chaplins Solidarity Forever, borrowed the melody of The Battle Hymn of the Republic to convey its message that the rich built their wealth at the expense of the downtrodden poor:

Is there aught we hold in common with the greedy parasite

Who would lash us into serfdom and would crush us with his might?

Is there anything left to us but organize and fight?

For the union makes us strong.

It is we who plowed the prairies; built the cities where they trade;

Dug the mines and built the workshops, endless miles of railroad laid

Now we stand outcast and starving midst the wonders we have made

But the union makes us strong.

They have taken untold millions that they never toiled to earn

But without our brain and muscle not a single wheel can turn

We can break their haughty power, gain our freedom when we learn

That the union makes us strong.

A century later, long after the disintegration of the IWW (The Wobblies), even after the collapse of the Soviet Empire and the near universal rejection of Marxist ideas of class struggle, political demagogues and prophets of pop culture continue to peddle the outrageous notion that the creation of wealth by one citizen inevitably leads to the impoverishment of his neighbors.

The hugely influential 1987 film Wall Street (the same melodrama that gave the world the indelible phrase greed is good) provided memorable expression to the notion that wealthy operators could only enrich themselves by denying benefits to others. Bud Fox, the aspiring trader played by Charlie Sheen asks his mentor Gordon Gekko (Michael Douglas) How much is enough? and the charismatic villain emblematically replies: Its not a question of enough, pal. Its a zero sum game, somebody wins, somebody loses. Money itself isnt lost or made, its simply transferred from one perception to another. Later, in one of his windy speeches (as scripted by Oliver Stone) Gekko helpfully explains the basis for economic inequality in America. The richest one percent of this country owns half our nations wealth, five trillion dollars, he declares. One third of that comes from hard work, two thirds comes from inheritance, interest on interest accumulating to widows and idiot sons and what I do, stock and real estate speculation. Its bullst. You got ninety percent of the American public out there with little or no net worth. I create nothing. I own. We make the rules, pal. The news, war, peace, famine, upheaval, the price per paper clip. We pick that rabbit out of that hat while everybody else sits out there wondering how the hell we did it. Now youre not nave enough to think were living in a democracy, are you buddy? Its the free market.

Inevitably, this old sense of a rigged game-- of the arrogant, avaricious few abusing and oppressing the hard-working many plays a role in our politics and public debates. In his campaign for the presidency in 2000, Vice President Al Gore (the preppy, Harvard-trained son of an influential U.S. Senator), framed his struggle as a battle between the people and the powerful. In the next two election cycles (both 2004 and 2008), North Carolina Senator John Edwards campaigned for the presidency in a preposterously populist pose. Before the unwelcome attention on his private life, he became famous for an endlessly repeated stump speech that described the nation as painfully and utterly divided. Today, under George W. Bush, there are two Americans, not one, the blow-dried blowhard, multi-millionaire trial lawyer, solemnly intoned. One America that does the work, another America that reaps the reward. One America that pays the taxes, another America that gets the tax breaks. One America that will do anything to leave its children a better life, another America that never has to do a thing because its children are already set for life. One America that is struggling to get by, another America that can buy anything it wants, even a Congress and a President. (Des Moines, December 29, 2003). The two Americas theme unwittingly conformed to the message of the Little Red Songbook, with its emphasis on a working class and an employing class with nothing in common.

Senator Edwards' economic and social analysis deserved no more respect and credibility than his marital vows, but countless commentators and candidates promote a similar view of our current economic situation. Lou Dobbs, the carefully-coiffed Cassandra of CNN, offered an apocalyptic bestseller in 2006 called War on the Middle Class. In its pages, this Harvard-educated resident of a 300-acre horse farm in Sussex County, New Jersey, declares that ours is becoming increasingly a divided society a society of haves and have-nots, educated and uneducated, rich and poor. The rich have gotten richer while working people have gotten poorer What was for almost two hundred years a government of the people has become a government of corporations. In my opinion we are on the verge of not only losing our government of the people, for the people and by the people, but also standing idly by while the American Dream becomes a national nightmare for all of us.

The laughably ludicrous proposition that elites wielded less power and enjoyed fewer unearned privileges in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, or that ordinary working people enjoyed more options and comforts two generations ago (in the depths of the Great Depression), demonstrate the toxic impact of the rich-get-richer/poor-get-poorer lie. The defense and promulgation of that lie requires outlandish claims about the levels of suffering and destitution in our peerlessly prosperous society. If the tremendous explosion of American wealth in recent years (slowed but not halted by todays downturn) somehow damaged the prospects and well-being of the nations poor, then poverty would be both more prevalent and more abject than in prior decades a proposition contradicted by all the evidence.

The claim that progress for the rich causes pain for the poor is logically impossible, historically unsupportable and culturally (and psychologically) unforgivable.

DOES WEALTH CAUSE POVERTY?

In his influential and eloquent 1981 bestseller Wealth and Poverty, George Gilder assailed the concept of material well-being as static and limited. This mode of thinking, prominent in foundation-funded reports, best selling economics texts, newspaper columns, and political platforms, is harmless enough on the surface, he wrote. But its deeper effect is to challenge the golden rule of capitalism, to pervert the relation between rich and poor, and to depict the system as a zero-sum game in which every gain for someone implies a loss for someone else, and wealth is seen once again to create poverty.

In addition to abundant records from past and present to disprove this cramped and pessimistic point of view, theres the simpler perspective of personal experience and common sense. In 1996, my wife and I moved with our three children to Seattle and, like most denizens of the great North-wet, we took immediate pride in the world famous plutocrats who became our new neighbors. For a time, much-publicized lists of the nations wealthiest individuals showed four out of the top ten living in the Seattle area (thanks to spectacular success in the software and cell phone businesses). In all the years weve raised our family in Western Washington, weve never once heard a local resident express resentment over the fact that some of the richest people on the planet choose to live in our region. People might criticize Bill Gates for his public pronouncements, or register their complaints about the products he and his team unleash from Microsoft, but none of these skeptics ever expresses the wish that the billionaire would pack up his family and move to LA or London. In fact, the tens of thousands of boaters who ply their craft on Lake Washington love to cruise past the sprawling Gates mansion on its bluff in Medina, and point out the site to all visitors as a regional landmark.

The presence of unimaginably wealthy people enriches our area in both tangible and intangible terms. Its not just the obvious addition to the tax base, or the lavish level of charitable giving with local museums, parklands, performing arts institutions, universities, sports stadiums and much more benefiting handsomely from the generosity of the Gates family, or of his idiosyncratic Microsoft co-founder, Paul Allen. Theres also an energy, a cosmopolitan atmosphere and a sense of world class swagger, that comes to any community thats able to spawn and retain some of the most productive and powerful entrepreneurs in existence. Far from swallowing up limited resources that would otherwise nourish the middle class and the poor, a citys most successful businessmen generate and contribute resources that benefit everyone. States that impose punishing tax rates that chase away their richest residents and most dynamic businesses do nothing to improve the lot of the less fortunate, as recent experiences in Michigan, Ohio, California and New Jersey dramatically demonstrate.

Here in Seattle, the 2001 decision by Boeing to move its corporate headquarters to Chicago (with special tax incentives and concessions from the pliant Illinois legislature) struck all segments of the populace as a disaster. The big aircraft company reassured Washingtonians that they had no plans to close down their major manufacturing facilities in our area, or to end their century-long association with the region, and that the strategic shift to the Midwest would cost only 500 executive jobs. Nevertheless, from Governor Gary Locke (now Secretary of Commerce in the Obama administration) to voluble cab drivers on the scenic streets of Seattle, everyone understood that the departure of top brass from a top international corporation darkened the future for every sort of enterprise. Governments and chambers of commerce arent crazy when they fight ferociously to keep prospering businesses where they are, or to lure new companies from other states. Under the logic of rich-get-richer/poor-get-poorer they should welcome plans by any local enterprise to relocate because that will leave behind more wealth for the working class. Fortunately, most people understand that if a corporation moves away it means fewer jobs and less productive activity in the local economy. It doesnt take some leap of comprehension and logic to then reach the obvious conclusion that its also a blow if the business leaders who provide the jobs and generate productive activity decide to pursue profit somewhere else or even choose to retire to a gated beach resort.

THERE GOES THE NEIGHBORHOOD

If a prominent corporate executive decides to buy a new home on your block theres little chance you'll hear the comment there goes the neighborhood. The addition of a few well-off neighbors can raise property values and prestige for everyone else. When the guy next door begins making more money and goes through a major remodeling or stylish landscaping or even adds a second story, as long as he doesnt block your view (which zoning should prevent) its reason for celebration, not resentment. When the prospering folks across the street get a new roof or a fresh paint job or decide to install a swimming pool, theyve done nothing to damage your enjoyment of your own home. They may inspire other householders in the area to make their own improvements and, at the very worst, theyve provided well-paid employment for contractors and gardeners and maybe even architects. An increase in wealth for one family never causes an increase in poverty for other houses on the block nor, for that matter, takes resources away from strangers on the other side of town.

If, on the other hand, an impoverished family occupies the house a few doors away, its only natural to worry about the future stability of the neighborhood. On occasion, such responses stem from racial prejudice which is both irrational and indecent. In many instances, however, it makes sense to feel concerned about a sudden influx of poor people into the immediate vicinity. The well-established, long-time residents might reasonably worry that a big wave of fresh arrivals could depress home prices, or place major demands on the community without bringing the new resources to help fulfill them. In this situation, the newcomers may ultimately surprise old timers with their unexpected energy, family values or hard work, but its still rare to hear any homeowner welcome poor neighbors because theyll suddenly make him look and feel rich by comparison. No one wants to see the homes on the block become overcrowded and rundown, with peeling paint, unkempt yards and junked cars on cinderblocks on the front lawn, just so the prior residents can now claim to own the nicest remaining houses on the street. The dramatic changes in both deteriorating and gentrifying districts show that even non-related families generally rise or fall together, seeing whole neighborhoods improve or decline. New wealth brings more wealth, just as deepening poverty leads to more poverty. But increased riches for some dont lead to deprivation for others, any more than impoverishment for some guarantees enhanced wealth for others.

THE POOR LIVE MOSTLY ON THE RICH

This economic interdependence becomes even more obvious in the workplace than in residential districts. Bosses and workers, the allegedly opposing castes endlessly invoked by class struggle rabble rousers, actually depend on the success of precisely the same companies. In the fierce competition of free markets, bosses gain nothing if a seething workforce feels short-changed and exploited, and the employees earn no long-term benefit if the company they serve starts losing money. Its true that increased revenue wont necessarily bring higher wages (since a short-sighted boss might choose maximizing profits over improving living standards), but business success certainly increases the likelihood of better salaries (and bonuses). With all the fervent hostility of the smash-capitalism agitators of the last century, no theorist has been able to explain how damaging your own employer or striking out against the economic system in general will help you win a better deal at work.

The baleful experience of General Motors, once counted among the most dynamic and powerful of all US corporations, provides an instructive example. For several decades, the United Auto Workers secured contracts that meant that workers did better than the company that wrote their checks, but this imbalance brought an implacable reckoning. After the government bail-out (or takeover, to use the less delicate phrase) no one can mistake the reality that workers and bosses (and federal administrators) will either fail together or succeed together (especially since the union now owns the biggest share of the company). Even before bankruptcy and restructuring, it should have been obvious that employees would suffer if their company suffered, and would gain if their corporation gained. Any worker in any field who believes that hell benefit if the boss suffers business reverses is, quite simply, too stupid for continued employment.

THE INFAMOUS INCOME GAP VERSUS PROGRESS FOR THE POOR

Unable to muster any sort of logical support for their attempt to associate soaring prosperity for the most fortunate with deepening poverty for the least fortunate, inequality obsessives resort to the manipulation of data and history. While no studies in the last generation show the poor actually getting poorer, there is abundant indication of a growing wealth gap between those at the top and the bottom of the income scale. As the rich get richer, the poor also get richer dramatically richer -- but redistributionists express horror at the fact that the distance between the least and most successful continues to increase.

In a typical jeremiad from the Age of Reagan (September 7, 1986), Barbara Ehrenreich posed a painful question in the New York Times Magazine under the headline, Is the Middle Class Doomed? She reported that some economists have predicted that the middle class will disappear altogether, leaving the country torn, like many third world countries, between an affluent minority and throngs of the desperately poor. Some twenty years later, Lou Dobbs made a strikingly similar prediction in his book War on the Middle Class, suggesting that doom was in fact on hand for the Great American Bourgeoisie: Our political, business, and academic elites are waging an outright war on Americans, and I doubt the middle class can survive the continued assault by forces unleashed over the past five years if they go on unchecked.

As Arthur Laffer, Stephen Moore and Peter Tanous make clear in their hugely important book The End of Prosperity (2008), reports of middle class doom and demise have been greatly exaggerated. Heres the truth, they write. The purchasing power of the median income family, that is, families at the midpoint of the income continuum, rose to $54,061 in 2004, an $8,228 real increase since 1980. The middle class is not disappearing it is getting richer.

In fact, the entire nation has gotten richer, very much including the poor. Americas net worth increased in real, constant dollar terms from $25 trillion in 1980 to $57 trillion in 2007. As Laffer, Moore and Tanous note, more wealth was created in the United States over the past twenty five years than in the previous two hundred years. In 1967 only one in 25 families earned an income of $100,000 or more in real income (in 2004 dollars), whereas now, almost one in four families do.

All evidence of a rising income gap reflects spectacularly increased wealth for the most prosperous rather than any falling living standards for the poor, and even this famous gap itself represents something of a statistical anomaly. A recent study by the Congressional Budget Office (May, 2007) showed that from 1994 to 2004 the poorest Americans enjoyed the highest increase in incomes. In other words, far from being left behind, the least privileged Americans are making faster progress than any other segment of the population. A subsequent report by the Treasury Department (Income Mobility in the U.S. from 1996 to 2005; November 13, 2007) reached the same conclusions, with those in the bottom 20% of wage earners improving their income by a breathtaking 109% (inflation adjusted). The Nobel Prize-winning economic historian Robert Fogel observed in 2004: In every measure that we have bearing on the standard of living the gains of the lower classes have been far grater than those experienced by the population on a whole.

With this sort of encouraging progress for the least prosperous Americans, how could the wealth gap possibly increase? The answer involves a statistical anomaly, and the contradiction between government figures measuring income rise in percentage terms, and numbers that report the rich-and-poor gap in raw dollars.

Imagine two citizens, the well-to-do Smith and the struggling Jones. Smith earns $200,000 a year and increases his income by an impressive 10%. Jones, on the other hand, brings home only $20,000 a year but succeeds in raising his earnings by a spectacular 20%. That means Jones receives $24,000 the next year while Smith gets $220,000.

In other words, even though the poor, hard-working Jones has lifted his earnings twice as fast as the wealthy Smith, the income gap between them has still increased from $180,000 to $196,000. Because Jones starts from a much lower base income, even a far more rapid improvement cant stop the expansion of the overall earnings differential.

By focusing almost exclusively on the disparity between those who earn most and those who earn the least, rather than reporting on the remarkable progress in income and living standards for even the poorest among us, major media distort and exaggerate the problems of poverty and inequality. As David R. Henderson of the Hoover Institution at Stanford University suggests, because of the problems with measuring income and adjusting for inflation, theres a better way to measure the wellbeing of a household: see whats in the house.

Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation did just that in an important paper in August, 2007, using detailed and authoritative government figures. According to this research, among the 37 million Americans officially classified as living below the poverty line, 97% own color televisions, more than 50% own two or more color TVs. Seventy-eight percent have a VCR or a DVD player, and 62 percent receive cable or satellite TV reception. Eighty percent of poor households boast air-conditioning, 89% have microwave ovens, and nearly three quarters own a car. An impressive 31% drive two or more cars.

DAMAGING OTHERS BY EARNING MORE?

This insight puts the proper perspective on the common complaints about the unfair distribution of income and the demand that our political leaders do something to correct it. This pressure seems to presume that all income flows to some centralized authority, where all-powerful potentates decide precisely how they should hand it out. Even in the Obama Era, with the federal government ambitiously assuming a broad array of unprecedented functions, theres been no effort (so far) to establish a Department of Income Allocation. As William L. Anderson of the Mises Institute writes in The Income Inequality Hoax: Income is not something that just randomly flows into an economy. It is the result of individuals providing productive services that are purchased in a marketplace.

If someone takes home more than his neighbor, its not because hes exerted more influence on the powerful people who dispense societys goodies to one and all, but because his employer has freely agreed to higher payment for the services that the fortunate earner has freely agreed to perform.

Yet even if theres nothing inherently unjust about different people earning very different salaries for the very different work they perform, many social critics worry about the wounding psychological impact of income inequality. An individual may feel small, frustrated, vulnerable and ashamed if hes regularly reminded that he makes vastly less than other people at the same company or in the same neighborhood. According to this argument, self-esteem may suffer an even more substantial blow if the struggling worker believes his own low salary is justified.

An extreme example of such logic came in a bizarre 2005 international bestseller by Richard Layard, a member of the British House of Lords. In Happiness: Lessons from a New Science, Lord Layard draws some spectacularly unscientific conclusions. Over the last 50 years, we in the west have enjoyed unparalleled economic growth, he allows. We have better homes, cars, holidays, jobs, education, and above all, health. But are we happier? Not in the least, and this worried me. Economics is all to do with growth and national prosperity. But whats the point of more cash in the pockets if people are more miserable?

To discourage those who work harder and earn more, increasing pressure and resentment from the populace at large, Lord Layard recommends punitive taxes like those we use to decrease consumption of tobacco. If we make taxes commensurate to the damage that an individual does to others when he earns more, then he will only work harder if there is a true net benefit to society as a whole. It is efficient to discourage work effort that makes society worse off, he writes.

Arthur Brooks of the American Enterprise Institute scoffs at the notion of a special tax to suppress hard work and productivity and notes the utter lack of evidence that income disparities produce unhappiness or self pity. As he writes in the Wall Street Journal (July 19, 2007): The evidence reveals that it is not economic inequality that frustrates Americans. It is a perceived lack of opportunity. To focus our policies on inequality, instead of opportunity, is to make a serious error one that will worsen the very problem that we seek to solve and make us generally unhappier.

In his book, Gross National Happiness, Brooks tartly observes that policymakers and economists rarely denounce the scandal of inequality in work effort, creativity, talent, or enthusiasm. We almost never hear about the outrage that is Americas inequality in time with friends, love, faith, or fun even though these are things most of us care about more than we do money. To believe that we truly redress inequality in our society by moving cash around is to take a materialistic and totally unrealistic view of life. To focus on income redistribution is to profess a mechanistic and impoverished understanding of the resources Americans truly value.

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Michael Medved's daily syndicated radio talk show reaches one of the largest national audiences every weekday between 3 and 6 PM, Eastern Time. Michael Medved is the author of eleven books, including the bestsellers What Really Happened to the Class of '65?, Hollywood vs. America, Right Turns and, most recently, The Ten Big Lies About America.
 
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KB Texan....
Your post was honest and I commend you for it. I also believe that you sincerely think that is how our economy works which is a testament to the fabulous job right wingers have done selling the sheep on lamb chops for dinner. Just so you know where I am coming from, my net worth probably makes me rich in most of the country. I am very, very familiar with real rich people, not the myths or legendary job starters you think are the ones that create all of our pay checks. I don't hate rich people, Tom Barrack is a great guy and has done a ton for us locally, he even helped MJ with Neverland. Do not ever, ever think we need incredibly rich people to run our economy. That is a story sold to you so you won't realize just how much some folks skim off the top in back door deals that you and your buddies never, ever get a part in. Also, I have been in the internetworking business since 1983 and have gone through countless IPO, buyouts, mergers and acquisitions. I know how the options get awarded. Its all an inside job my friend. Your buddy takes care of you and you take care of him when the time comes.

I should do the same (for SHAME!)
My apologies for the typo in the subject line. I particularly HATE to butcher someone's name.

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Micheal Medved/TH: one thought-proofread
Geez, try proofreading your material first!

Michael, in case you've decided to switch to a decent editor and just aren't used to it yet--vi can take a while to become familiar--here's a clue.

DON'T type the following in command mode: ":%s/'//g" (obviously, perhaps, the actual command is contained within the quotes.)

A second clue; while the classic vi Undo ("u") is limited to one level, it IS a QUITE useful command after issuing document-global edits--as long as you REVIEW immediately after making the global edit.

Naturally, I don't actually think you've switched to vi, although as a long-time writer you might be an EMACS man. The point is, the lack of accurate punctuation in the article completely detracts from the points you're trying to make. HTH.

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Frank
I don't know what your job is, so I can't address it specifically, so I'll address it generally.

Do you work for a large corporation? Large corporations sell stock, usually in large quantities to rich people, in order to finance their operations. Some middle and upper middle class people by shares through mutual funds, 401k plans, etc., but most of the money comes from rich people.

Do you work for a university or non-profit? Most of them are funded by donations, endowments, or the money the government took from rich people.

Do you work for a small business? The owner may not be "rich" but the business usually depends on large contracts from rich people or rich people's businesses to stay afloat.

Do you work for yourself? Again, only people with money will buy your goods or services.

Most of us will never become insanely wealthy. But...

...Others being wealthy takes absolutely nothing from me. (I don't have to buy Microsoft Office unless I want to, and then I get something in return for my money, so I don't care how rich Gates gets.)

...Even today's poor are wealthier than the rich people were 100 years ago. Did Solomon P. Chase ever own a car with a 6-CD changers, or a GPS tracking system? Did Rockefeller have a big screen color TV in every room in his house?

Stop hating the rich and just live your life to its fullest.

What a Pile of Nonsense
Everything Medved said about the power of the free market is absolutely true. The problem is that he doesn't believe a word of it.

If he did believe it would he have supported Bush, Schwarzenegger, Specter and McCain?

Not one of those people ever did a single thing to promote economic freedom. Not ever!

McCain blames greed for the recession and demands that people submit their lives to "a higher power". Just how does that jibe with capitalism, the economic system based on individualism and rational self interest?

Medved, go back to bashing gay marriage, it's a lot more honest on your part.

Frank, are you serious?
Hi Frank,
Who did give you your job? Some poor person.
by the way there are more democrat millionaires in congress than republican. This was true when republicans were in control and even more so now.I make less than 50k a year and you could not pay me to support the rich socialists that run the country now, they WILL destroy America if we let them. Wake up people.

The rich make jobs?
Really? My job is not the result of a rich person. I live around tons of very rich people. They have servants but none of them is paying much more than minimum wage. I love listening to people talk about the rich like they are just one deal away from being rich themselves. Or, if they work really really hard, they can be rich. Or, the rich guy worked harder, is better, deserves 100 million etc etc. Its the royalty of the GOP, you worship rich people like they are Gods. Rich people are different than you folks, they are rich! Its not the rich that make wealth, its the upwardly mobile person that used every nickel or every ounce of brain power and hard work to create a job for you and I. Once folks get rich, they usually enjoy their wealth....

Rick, 11:31 AM

I almost never respond directly to any of the utterings of the minority left.

My posts are aimed at either the author of the commentary, to other conservative posters or to main-stream readers in general.

The reasons, dear Rick, are quite simple.

I don't engage with the left, basically because they really don't care a whole lot about the truth. Simply put, they don't believe in it. Relativism, you know.

But that's sort of like saying, "There is no truth." Ecxept for that statement... of course. But otherwise, how could they ever hope to win their arguments.

Now to your utterances.

No, silly boy... they do not need to brown-nose me. Any qualified person will do, regarless of their race, gender or religion.

And I also give of my resources and volunteer out of my free will. Generously.

My attitude and my values are the same as that of the Heartland.

And no, genius... I do not want to kill people who act like selfish and hurtful parasites.

I just want to defeat them at the polls, so they stop hurting the innocent. And I want to abolish tenure, so that educators are held accountable and stop indoctrinating and hurting our kids. And I would like to start a national boycott of the MSM... so they finally stop editorializing on the front page, stop abusing the freedom of the press and stop hurting America.

And lastly, I would give my life to defend your right to say what you believe.

But I seriously doubt you would do the same for me.

Now, go away.




missing the point
Medved kind of misses the point of the complaints that he is supposedly answering. Most of the people he thinks he is refuting do not think it is inevitable that the rich getting richer leads to the poor getting poorer. They believe that policies that simply focus on the rich getting richer tend to have that effect. But thatis not at all the same thing.

It is certainly not inevitable that when the rich get richer the poor get poorer. But it is true that under some government policies the rich get richer while the poor get poorer, while under others they move together.

During the Clinton years the rich got richer, but the poor and middle class also benefitted. During the Reagan years the rich got richer, but the other classes did not benefit. Presumably that is why the figures pushed by conservatives above include the Clinton years to make their case.

The difference seems to be whether one thinks that corporations benefit the poor by magic or charity, or whether one understands that their are mechanism by which corporations and workers benefit each other and make policies accordingly.

c5c5
"Leftists love to bite the hand that feeds them."
Correct. A good example is the GM situation. When GM was allowed to sell trucks and make a good profit, the union screamed, cried and kicked to take the profits for themselves. When GM claimed they could not afford to give any more, the union threated to strike and put GM out of business. Yes, GM gave in. But, either way, GM was going to go out of business.
Now Obama has given GM to the union and guess what? They don't want it. They finally(?) realize, they can't take all the profits and run a business. But if some dirty, rotten wealthy investors owned it, they could continue to pillage the company.

Two types of rich folks...
Those that worked for it and those that were given it. As anyone who has been around real wealth knows, most of it was created by one or two family members and the rest just sponge off them in much the same way as any poor person does on welfare. Is it better to have lots of really rich people? Only if they somehow raise the level of wealth of poor and middle class people. Most do not. If you have over 50 million net worth, you and yours can basically stop working for the rest of your lives if this money is handled properly. I know plenty of rich folks, nice people but lets not put them up on some pedestal here. Most of them got it because they were on the right side of a deal, contract or compensation scheme.

rdk, not relevent or significant to
being in the top 1%, 10% but very likely is to being in the top 20%.

That 20% is the goal, eh? Gotta get to that quarter million mark first, have a portfolio and mingle with the big boys.


Scott K, do these parasites need to
brown-nose you for their job?

When you hire all these parasites, are they to kowtow your highness for their good fortune?

Your attitude stinks Scott.

If you want parasites to go away you have to kill them. So to equate any human as such is a disgrace of ones own character. How did the good samaritan act, what would Jesus do, is the golden rule useless?


The Obama example.
Didn't Obama get rich by writing and selling a couple of books? Who but the non-rich forked over the money to buy the books? The non-rich got poorer and Obama got richer. QuadEratDemonstrano!

MacQ, there is not solution.
This is our way of life. We try, and try again. Making it to wealth is not easy for the 80%, and suffice it to write and say Life's a B and then you die.

But, explaining with accuracy the actual facts has a solution. It's only from investigating them, analysis, dissemination of discussed interpretation that we can show facts as reality.

To just fall in line with this article isn't my style. I must read multiple sources for myself, most of which start with government (fed and state) statistics, then reports from knowledgable sources, such as the Economic Policy Institue, University publications, WSJ, NYT, Reuters, AP, BBC, Congressional Budget Office, and on and on. I google for a very long list when I can't find a source. I alter the google search as I become more informed.

I'm not justifying, I'm explaining. There's a difference.

John Edwards was right II
The second America consists of people who live off of the first group. When they knowingly write bad checks it is merely a mistake, we must be more forgiving. When they cheat on their taxes they label it an inadvertent error and the IRS understands. When they commit perjury it is a private affair and not our business. They hold people who actually attend church in contempt unless it is part of a political strategy. Their children rarely attend the corrupted public schools they force everyone else into. They support and defend the thugocracy of unions in return for campaign contributions. At the airport they receive free parking, they are whisked through security as VIP's and often fly on the "people's" jets. Jets the "people" would never be allowed to fly on. They build $300,000,000 buildings for the purpose of not having to smell the "people" as Herr Reid said. If they need more money to spend on their debauchery they give themselves a raise. If that isn't sufficient they get sweetheart loans from lobbyists. Toward the end of life, until they figure out a way to suck the actual life out of normal people, they receive the best medical care, spare no expense. They want to force the horrors of a Medicare like system on all Americans but that new disaster of a healthcare plan will not apply to them or their union thugs.

John Edwards was right right there are two Americas. There is the America of normal, decent, hardworking Americans just trying to live in peace and freedom.
And the other America, the political class and their sycophants. An American that meets every definition of a parasite.

We need to destroy the parasite.
http://www.roguepolitics.com

John Edwards was right
There are two Americas.
The first is an America where people work hard, raise their family, go to church, send their children to school.
When they make a mistake on their taxes the IRS fines them or worse. If they commit purjury they go to jail. When they kite checks they go to prison. If their children say a prayer in school it becomes a federal case. At the airport they are treated like criminals, they can't be trusted. They pay too much for gasoline, too much for electricity because of high taxes and useless regulations. They can't enjoy the parks their tax dollars fund unless they pay additional fees at the gate. They are browbeat into supporting thug unions or risk their jobs or even their health. If they wish to have more money they add more hours or an extra job. They save to buy a house they can afford. After paying taxes for a lifetime they are forced into a government sponsored healthcare plan that views them as enemies and denies coverages on the whims of bureaucrats. At the end of their life after being taken advantage of for their entire life they find they will be robbed blind upon their death.

Excellent reply m.
It has a very sound tonality of common sense. We agree to that, the numbers are in motion.

Studies have shown that blacks income has dropped from 2000-2007. The point being that their income had risen the previous 7 years. Their unemployment being always in the 25-35% range.

We know that geographical differences play a role, education, family ties, and health all play a role for our personal ventures into wealth. Whether we aspire to a gold or brass spoon is relevent too.

The pie has grown, and sometimes it shrinks, but GDP alone falls well short of explaining wealth. Mr. Medved mentioned the L-Curve recently.

http://www.lcurve.org/

The link is for a laugh.

A simple... but really destructive game.

ALL leftist-leaning politicians in America today understand one simple but over-riding truth...

...that the poor out-number the rich.

These "opportunists" also understand the natural envy and resentment held toward the rich by the poor.

And these "parasites" also understand that most of the poor are more likely to be less educated and less informed... and more desperate.

And finally, these "blood-suckers" understand that if you convince the poor it's all (or mostly) the fault of the rich...

...that points the finger away from their own efforts and disappointments.

And the poor now think they have a "friend".

But even a pig with lipstick... is still a pig.

And then, with the unwavering support of all the other "leeches" in the media, academia and elsewhere who increasingly depend on a "maggot-infested" government... the stage is set for the most insidious power-grab in the history of the universe.

Nothing wrong with power... in general.

But at the expense of the least???

But what does it matter to them - if freedom and prosperity is crushed, and the poor suffer the worst... as usual.

Because they ARE parasites.

And to exist... they must have the blood of others.

My prayer - that one day the poor will come to their senses, and finally realize who really wants the best for them... and who their true friends really are.

Before it's too late.

"When was the last time you got a real job from a poor guy?" Unknown.

"A rising tide lifts all boats." John F. Kennedy. Democrat, Massachusetts.


Rick
We might find that (assuming you're right) a near stagnant income is better than NO income.
I reckon lots of people would like to have their near-stagnant incomes back in lieu of the unemployment checks.

I am not trying to be dismissive. You've asked a good question. But it's like asking what makes the sky blue in the middle of a hurricane.

Also, you did not propose a solution. Presumably it would be tax the rich, I'm thinking, which would dissemble your argument.

The Forgotten Man

The Forgotten Man equation goes like this:

A and B decides that A and B get to keep their wealth while C gives it it to X.

A & B retain their wealh. C & X remain poor.

Rick, I'll give it a quick shot...
When you write: "Then go on to explain how the actual numbers as reported in a distribution of 100% of the wealth, show exactly that one group does go down when another goes up. Which is to say, when the highest go up the lowest go down, and when the lowest go up the highest go down." you're making the mistake of assuming a static economic model. In other words, that 100% of the pie stays the same. Would you rather have 5% of a million dollars or 50% of $50,000?

Stop focusing on how much of the pie people get at any one moment and take a look at the ever-increasing (with brief exceptions) size of the pie.

Another major factor is the tendency to think of the rich and poor as static groups. Very few individuals are permanent members of any income division. Or even in accumulated wealth- or lack thereof, for that matter.

Michael please answer
This is a post to ask a very pertinent question Mr. Medved. You make some very serious claims as you define them and I need to see how you explain away the facts.

Adjusted for inflation, American production and service workers have seen a near stagnant income. Even including the lower echelon of government employees this will hold. So, a modest 6% rise of disposable income after adjusting for inflation does not define a boom for the lower middle class. Let alone those of the lower and poor classes. How many are there in this class? Apparently that's debatable, but suffice it to be true that reports group most of the lower into a group known as the 80% and once in a while the groups are 10/90 or 1/99%. So, we can manage well enough with 20/80 let's do that.

Look very closely at the report I give from this link:

http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

Once you have done so, will you please be very specific to answer questions such as how you explain the huge curve and graph variations for the high 20% and the low 80%.

Then go on to explain how the actual numbers as reported in a distribution of 100% of the wealth, show exactly that one group does go down when another goes up. Which is to say, when the highest go up the lowest go down, and when the lowest go up the highest go down.

This needs very thorough examination on your part, as I will not agree with you unless you use common sense toward the facts as they are in reality.

kb, you are correct
Leftists love to bite the hand that feeds them.

One might wonder why the left cannot see the logic of when you take from the rich, the rich have less jobs to make available to the poor.

It is simple: equality is a religious tenet of the Left. They do not see evidence, such as cited in this good article. They only see their Utopian dogma and nothing else. That is why it is usually useless to try to convince the left with facts - facts do not matter to religious belief.

But hey,
when the eeevil rich are too poor to offer us useful employment, at least ObamaoCare will hand out free birth control and abortions!

Ain't we got fun?

When the rich get poor...
...the poor get unemployed.
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