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Wednesday, February 06, 2008
Michael Medved :: Townhall.com Columnist
A Personality Primary
by Michael Medved
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With John McCain drawing inexorably closer to locking up the Republican nomination for President of the United States, his ability to unite the party will depend on the proper classification of the struggle he hopes to win.

The morning after Super-Duper Tuesday, the crucial question for McCain strategists and Republicans in general is whether the long battle with Mitt, Huck, Rudy, Fred and the others amounted to an “Issues Primary” or whether it constituted a “Personality Primary.”

In other words, did the intra-party fight represent a struggle of ideas, with the two sides facing an unbridgeable ideological gulf? Or was this contest, like most nomination contests, an argument over which candidate possessed the best combination of ability and experience to represent the party and lead the country.

History shows that nomination struggles fall into one of these two broad categories, and the ability of a divided party to re-unite after a heated struggle depends on which one. In the far more common Personality Primaries, the party often manages to re-unite and win the general election; after Issues Primaries, the party always loses.

The first campaign in which “preference primaries” played a role also represented the first ever Issues Primary—and an unprecedented disaster for the Republican Party. In 1910, Oregon became the first state to establish a presidential primary election to choose delegates to the national convention; two years later, fourteen of the forty-eight states offered such contests and a wildly popular ex-president decided to take advantage of the new system. Theodore Roosevelt, deeply disillusioned with his hand-picked successor William Howard Taft, challenged the sitting president in 1912 in a series of hard-fought primaries and won nearly all of them. While Americans felt great affection for TR’s ebullient personality, the campaign centered on polarizing issues. Roosevelt had moved decisively to the left since leaving the White House, and called for the sort of expanded, muscular, activist government that horrified conservative traditionalists. When the GOP convention in Chicago renominated Taft, and denied Roosevelt the prize he believed he had earned, he launched his famous race with the independent “Bull Moose Party.”

Like all third party efforts, the Bull Moosers failed miserably: drawing only 27% of the popular vote to 42% for Woodrow Wilson and his victorious Democrats. But the hapless President Taft fared even worse – with only 23% of the popular vote in the worst showing ever for a GOP nominee.

The party’s collapse in 1912 established a pattern: when contenders battle over significant issues, offering sharply contrasting policy prescriptions and views of the world, it’s very difficult if not impossible for them to come together in the fall to secure victory.

In 1964, the Republicans split once again over substance rather than style: Barry Goldwater challenged the successful moderate establishment that had ruled the party under Eisenhower and Nixon. In a series of fiercely competitive primary elections the Arizona senator dueled New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller, before securing his final victory in California. The Goldwater Crusade proudly offered “A Choice, Not an Echo” (the title of a bestselling book of the time) and differed from its centrist rivals on the need to confront Communism more aggressively, and to cut back on the ever-expanding welfare state. At the convention, Goldwater delegates actually booed their defeated opponents (including Rockefeller himself) and refused to compromise on platform language or approach. In his acceptance speech, the nominee proudly declared: “Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.”

The Fall campaign adopted a similar tone, with billboards showing Goldwater’s chiseled face along with the declaration: “In Your Heart, You Know He’s Right.” The Democrats responded with a slogan of their own: “In Your Guts, You Know He’s Nuts.” Leading GOP moderates refused to support the ticket, and Goldwater lost 44 of the fifty states, carrying only 39% of the popular vote. Another Issues Primary resulted in electoral catastrophe.

In ’68 and ’72, the Democrats endured their own Issues Primaries with take-no-prisoners struggles over the Vietnam War. First, Vice President Hubert Humphrey captured the nomination after Bobby Kennedy’s assassination (despite the fact that anti-war candidates Kennedy and Eugene McCarthy swept the primaries). Anti-war Democrats never forgave Humphrey, and disrupted most of autumn rallies with raucous chants of “Dump the Hump”—and weary voters turned to Richard Nixon. Four years later, the anti-war forces of George McGovern captured the party and pulled it sharply to the left. While moderate and pro-defense Democrats sulked, the McGovernites (running on the neo-isolationist slogan, “Come Home, America”) carried Massachusetts in November but lost all the other 49 states to Richard Nixon.

In the next two elections, controversial presidents faced Issues Primaries in their own parties—with California Governor Ronald Reagan challenging incumbent Gerald Ford for the Republican nomination in 1976, and Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy challenging President Jimmy Carter in 1980. Reagan sought to pull his party substantively to the right, and Kennedy tried to drag his party even further to the left, but in both cases the insurgent candidates lost. Reagan, being Reagan, did his best to re-unite the GOP after his nomination defeat (delivering a singularly inspiring convention address), but President Ford still fell short of victory (losing to Carter, 48 to 50%) After surviving his own issues challenge, Carter himself fared much worse – losing to Reagan in a landslide.

The record of Issues Primaries offers no exceptions: every time a party divides over substantive differences on policy and perspective, it finds it impossible to come together to win.

Personality Primaries, on the other hand, offer far more hope to partisan operatives. In 1960, for instance, John F. Kennedy battled for the Democratic nomination with Hubert Humphrey, Lyndon Johnson and Stuart Symington. These powerful candidates offered huge contrasts in terms of style and charisma, but they never disagreed in any profound way about major issues—allowing Kennedy to lead a united party to its photo-finish victory in the fall. Similarly, the rock-em-sock-em 2000 battle between Arizona Senator John McCain and Texas Governor George Bush generated plenty of heat with its contrasting personalities, but the two contenders scarcely disagreed on major issues. Both tried to appeal to the broad center of the GOP and the electorate at large: in fact, when McCain gained traction with his mantra of “Reform,” Bush countered that appeal by proclaiming himself “A Reformer With Results.” In a personality primary, the defeated candidate usually manages to overcome his disappointment and campaign for his one-time rival – as McCain did for Bush in 2000, and again in 2004.

Perhaps the classic example of a Personality Primary involved the Democratic contest of 1984. Colorado Senator Gary Hart offered the party a younger image, and much better hair, than former Vice President Walter Mondale, but the two men agreed on virtually every major issue. The lack of substantive conflict seemed so apparent that Mondale won the battle by asking, “Where’s the Beef?” about his rival’s challenge. In the absence of significant distinctions on important issues, Mondale successfully argued that his experience and seniority trumped Hart’s freshness and good looks.

In terms of anticipating the shape of the final campaign of 2008, it makes a world of difference whether the nomination struggles among Democrats and Republicans deserve description as “Issues Primaries” or “Personality Primaries.”

On the Democratic side this year, the classification ought to be obvious: the battle between Hillary and Barack is all about personality, with scant argument about issues. Though Obama tries to focus on the fact that he opposed the Iraq War years before Senator Clinton turned against it, voters understand the fact that the two candidates now agree on the same dovish policy (with sneaky qualifications for both of them, but that’s another story). On medical care, their plans match so closely that they’re reduced to debating minutia – like Hillary’s mandate for all citizens, but Barack’s mandate only for all children. This is not the sort of implacable disagreement, the “irrepressible conflict” (in Lincoln’s phrase) that divides great parties.

In short, there’s good news here for the Democrats: their contest remains, clearly, a Personality Primary after which the two foes will manage to come together (and perhaps even share the ticket) to confront the Republicans in November.

But what about the Republicans?

Their chances for general election victory depend upon clarifying the contest’s status as a fight about personality, more than a fight about issues.

In fact, the leading candidates do agree on virtually every important policy for the nation’s future – both McCain and Romney want to persevere in Iraq till victory, to use force if necessary to prevent a nuclear Iran, to treat Islamo-Nazi terror as the profound evil it is, to shrink the size of government and to lower taxes. Both candidates want to curb abortion and defend innocent human life, protect gun rights, and preserve the institution of male-female marriage. Both seek to provide better access to cheaper health care by moving toward a more market based medical system, not through more government. On immigration, both candidates have taken notably tougher positions than they did a year ago, and agree on the need to secure the border first (by finishing the fence and hiring far more border patrol), while improving national ID and greatly enhancing workplace enforcement. As Governor Romney explicitly acknowledged at their South Carolina televised debate, on the top immigration priorities, there’s no meaningful distinction among any of the major candidates.

Their positions on issues remain so close that I can reproduce part of the official “candidate’s statement” from the State of Washington Voter Guide and you can’t be sure which of the GOP contenders authored it:

“At home, Americans have lost trust in their government. To restore their trust, I will secure our borders, veto pork-barrel bills, keep taxes low and reform our tax code. I will nominate judges who do not legislate from the bench. I will seek to modernize Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, bring choice and competition to our schools.”

Okay, quiz kids, which Republican contender authored those sentences? Romney, Huckabee or McCain?

The point is, it could have been any of them, so it’s hardly significant that the right answer here is …. John McCain.

If there’s so little difference on the big issues facing the party and the country, how can one possibly explain the frenzied hostility from some conservatives to Senator McCain? The fact that these angry voices want to dredge up long-ago disagreements with no current relevance indicates that their real object involves personality, not substance. The issue of the McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform, for instance, was settled seven years ago and no candidate wants to repeal the legislation. In other words, in terms of policy, there’s no difference at all between the candidates--- Romney doesn’t want to repeal the bill, and McCain doesn’t want to extend it.

Instead, McCain critics bring up the issue as a way of emphasizing their distaste for McCain’s “maverick” personality, his willingness to work with Democrats to achieve his policy goals. At the same time, they don’t acknowledge that on key goals that McCain, Romney and Huckabee share – like reforming Medicare and Social Security, for instance—no progress is vaguely possible without precisely that sort of cooperation with the leaders of the other party.

McCain’s personality remains a problem --- many conservatives find it insufferably obnoxious, some of us view it as candid and refreshing.

But on key issues, Republicans of 2008 face no wounds that can’t heal, no gaps that can’t be bridged.

If you doubt this proposition, think about the platform: there’s no real threat of a platform fight because McCain, Romney and Huckabee could all run with equal comfort and enthusiasm on a statement of plans and principles that proclaimed mainstream conservative values.

In the aftermath of Super-Duper Tuesday, with Mike Huckabee’s surprising success (predicted by this commentator, and almost no one else) should remind Republicans once again that there’s no big division on issues in this year’s GOP. Is Huckabee a stout-hearted Christian conservative who took conservative votes away from Romney, or a big government populist who took moderate votes from McCain, or a little bit of both who took votes from both? The fact that different commentators can make a convincing case for each of the three alternatives suggests that the renewed Huck-a-boom concerns style and personality (and peerless communication ability) far more than policy substance.

Despite the gloom in some circles at McCain’s coast-to-coast success in the February 5 primaries, even disaffected activists should take heart at the proper identification of this nomination contest. McCain should do whatever he can to emphasize that the struggle in which he looks increasingly like the victor was never about important differences on vital issues, but rather involved spirited debate as the right individual to implement the same approaches. All three candidates express similar conservative outlooks and should begin the process of working together after the conclusion of a tough fight that has been, after all, a heated but typical Personality Primary.

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Michael Medved's daily syndicated radio talk show reaches one of the largest national audiences every weekday between 3 and 6 PM, Eastern Time. Michael Medved is the author of eleven books, including the bestsellers What Really Happened to the Class of '65?, Hollywood vs. America, Right Turns and, most recently, The Ten Big Lies About America.
 
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Mike
Interesting article - I just wrote a long post on another thread that attempted to disentangle the images of war hero, hard-core CEO, great guy, etc., from the ugly realities of actually running a major global power efficiently and as a player in the world stage.

I don't think we should be looking for war heroes, ministers who will support our faith, telegenic candidates who, with good reason, present themselves as symbols of change but may not necessarily have the cajones, smarts, and cynicism to mak them capable presidents.

Everybody wants an Abraham Lincoln -- not the way he was, but the way they have come to idealize him - everybody is just so anxious to lay those expectations on people who were essentially war heroes, theological soldiers, larger-than-life figures that arise on the cultural screen like
shadow puppets.

Everyone wants the next president to be likeable; they want the guy next door, the minister, the kid who flips your burgers at the next barb-e-ycue.
But perhaps we have to face the fact that in this divided, fractured, America we don't need the most telegenic, the most uber-patriot, the most happy story we can tellabout ourselves - maybe what we need in this post 9/11 post apocalyptic world is hard assessments of the dcisions that involve our fate and security without the religious overtones and God-only-loves-Americans-world.

Medved has bought into the McLame
lies. It is in fact a major difference in policy. McCain is still for amnesty, he opposes the tax cuts, he is contemptuous of the Constitution, and he has sided with the Democrats on nearly every major issue in the past 2 years.

And it's funny that you bring up the election of 1912. I cited that in another thread this morning as being a harbinger of things to come. But that is what the Republican Party needs right now. That would be a cathartic purge to get rid of the RINOs like McCain.

Not the personality, but the history
The candidate's statement may sound good, but it does not reflect past behavior. Those "long-ago disagreements" weren't so long ago and are still relevant. I do not trust John McCain. Why should I believe that he will be any different next year than he has been in the past?

Another Excelllent Column, Michael
When we all look back at the last several months, I think that Michael Medved will have to be considered as one of the few guys in talk radio and conservative punditry who showed much good sense and wisdom.

Because I have been a McCain supporter who has been defending his candidate in vigorous debate on ths site and at one time was asked if I were Michael Medved, I state here that I am not -- I am a real Phil Byler, living on Long Island, engaged in the practice of law in Manhattan, a Director and Vice President of the local Little League organization, an Elder at a traditional conservative Presbyterian Church and the father of two sons, one a U.S. Army First Lieutenant (with Ranger tab) who served 15 months as an infantry platoon leader in Iraq and the other a soon to be commissioned U.S. Marines Second Lieutenant. I am, however, glad to defend Michael's writings.

Medved versus the Truth
Last week, trying to shore up conservative support for McCain, Michael Medved boldly reported false facts and fabricattions on his radio show. Medved said Michael Reagan was a McCain supporter and Medved had inside knowledge that Nacy Reagan was a secret McCain supporter. The next day, Michael Reagan published an insightful and scathing attack on McCain's ideological views. Medved did not respond to several email requests for an explanation. I suspect, Medved also fabricated his claim that Nancy Reagan secretly supports McCain. Michael Medved is guilty of the old southern preacher's accusations: "His feet smell, the truth ain't in him and he don't love Jesus".

McShame is a Member of the CFR
In the past several months McShame has become the truth and the American way. Before that he was a mongrel maverick who was poking his finger into the Republican's eye, and mine. I add mine because I had given up on Bush and the Repubs in Congress several years ago - started with Bush and Congress with Kennedy and the education bill. That was the tale of things to come. You can expect McShame to do what he has done in the past but not to fulfill the conservatives wishes. As a member of the CFR he can be expected to not do anything with the border that hasn't already been done. He will not have to make a choice to take a serious stand against the illegals because the Demo majority in Congress will not let him. The Demo majority will become much larger after the 2008 election. Read this one and see if you think there is a possibility: worldnetdaily.com article Economist: Expect the Fed to lower Dow to 8000. A real economic chiller.

Good analysis, Michael
except you didn't mention McCain-Lieberman which will shove our economy over the cliff with it's draconian impositions on industry and personal choice. Any of the Senators running from either party would no doubt sign this piece of cr@p legislation, based on hysteria, flawed computer models and ignoring facts (like the sun, for instance). McCain-Kennedy would have a green light as well.

Since you pat yourself on the back for making such accurate predictions, allow me to make my own - McCain will lose in November in a landslide. When faced with a choice, people never vote for liberal-light when they can vote for a solid liberal?

I also predict the mainstream media will pick McCain apart like buzzards on roadkill, all the while manipulating polls and presenting the eventual democrat nominee as the second coming of Christ. We won't hear a peep about the Clintons' corruption of vacuousness of Obama, but all of McCains ugly warts will get scraped painfully, day and night.

One of the major factors that forced me to change my affiliation to independent was McCain's attack on my gun rights the day after Columbine which was the final straw after years of frustration with Trent Lott, another go along to get along republican.

We conservatives seek someone who will stand on principals and not knuckle under to the huge liberal push towards socialism, and except for fiscal restraint and the war against Islamofacists, McCain doesn't give us a warm and fuzzy feeling. He may have voted for the judges I prefer, but then shoots off his mouth about Alito being too conservative. Next he says he heard us on illegals undermining our country, but scoffs at building the fence. And the remark about tax cuts benefitting the rich could easily been taken from daily democrat talking points.


more
John McCain is almost as big of an ego-maniac at Sen. Clinton and would only be slightly less disasterous as president. However, I WILL NOT vote for any democrat for ANY office, down to and including dog catcher, nor will I waste a vote going 3rd party. But I really resent being forced to vote for the lessor of two evils, AGAIN!

Michael's own words in a commercial promoting his radio show that I hear 20 times a day says, "The lessor of two evils is still EVIL!"

Here in cold icy NY state...
It was so cold I had to put on my MITTs to flush the JOHN, but the pipes must have been frozen because the JOHN overflowed anyway with over 50%...

I like Medved, but . . .
Maybe the real problem is that there really is NOT that much different between standard Demo positions and McCain's positions? Or that is past voting record shows a proclivity to speak one way and do something else? But maybe that is not relevant -- i.e., character -- though perhaps Bill Clinto might hvae something to say on that? Give me a break. The only reason to vote for McCain will be as a lesser alternative. The reason to vote against him is to refuse to reward an apparently dishonorable personality (again, witness the lies against Romney that his compaign issued). So the big choice will be do we hold our noses, and get even more BIG govt., or should we let Hillary get credit for growing and ruining the govt. even further? This is not an easy call.

Micheal I hope your right
I really hope you're right about McCain, truely I do. However I think there is a blaring silence in yours,Phil Bylers, and the rest defending McCain when it comes to his position on Global warming. And still for all your wonderful crafted defense of the man I still am leary of his seeming ability to look for solutions through more complex regulation not less.

I won't vote for McCain
And it's about issues that he chooses to ignore and that you don't know exist either.

I will not vote for a liberal.

It's very simple. You picked a loser.

McShame
I prouded myself in being an avid listener to the Michael Medved Show. However, it seems to me that his hands are covered with Hucka-mud. Politics, we know, is a blood sport, and as such it can be enjoyed. It is only when mud is thrown around (and mud can contain excrement) that it becomes shameful.

I heard, quite painfully, how Medved's 'fair chance to all candidates' became a pedestal builder to the slickest politician in the ring today (Hucka-wannabe), while claiming to be a McShame supporter, while smearing the Mittman at every opportunity. Yesterday we saw it happen in WV exactly with Medved tactics: "Hm... first round: Mitt-ionaire.... not good, let's join arms together... McShame and Hucka-wannabe..."

Needless to say, I won't be tunning in again. Not that I can even vote! US citizenship is a good couple of years away for me... and it is painful to be only be outside observer.

Time to mend "and build" fences...
—I was going to write something about this before, but I see Captain Ed beat me to it. The Democratic race is incredibly close and the Democrats' emphasis of proportional delegates suggests it might stay close to the bitter end. If the nomination breaks for Hillary on the basis of superdelegates it could be a DISASTER for the the Democratic party and severely alienate the black vote. GOP strategists should start thinking up strategies now to reach out and court the black vote if that happens.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MmY1MmU5ODA1YTFlNj lhYjUwMjc1ZGVlMWYwYTA5NmY=

If McCain can rally conservatives at CPAC and start the general election race things, we could take advantage of this. I know many of you are bitter, but McCain is a conservative and is far far better than Hillary or Obama.

Mac, Mitt, and Huck supporters unite, the only thing you have to lose is four years of Hillary in the White House!


Medvev beautifying Imperialism!
Yes Sir, one more guy that loves Imperialism on top with America being fully in love with Socialism/Communism while America is now in a complete bankruptcy condition. Yes, and forwarding the bill to the next generation. McCain, in my book has similar trades as Hitler did. Yes, if America wants to fight another WW, go vote for him, and you will get it. Ron Paul the man ready to pickup where Ronald Reagan left off is sneared by self-styled Conservatives, who have not a clue what true conservatism is in the spirit of the Founding Fathers. I will only vote if Ron Paul becomes the Republican nominee. Mark Twain had this to say about Judas Iscariot: He was a low, mean, premature Congressman. I wonder what he would say hearing so much gobledegook from that part of America? Yes, as one hears these Republicans about the abortion issue, which is nothing but murdering or let live the unborn, as to how that may resonate worldwide, while thousands are murdered daily and added to the already mass grave of 50 millions or so since Roe v Wade. Yes, Saddam's mass graves pale if one compares number.

Phil Byler,
I frequently disagree with your posts, but I'm sure proud of your boys. Congrats on being a good dad.

Hate vs. Issues
From Michael's last paragraph:

"McCain should do whatever he can to emphasize that the struggle in which he looks increasingly like the victor was never about important differences on vital issues....."

WTF? How naive/shallow do you think REAL conversatives are MM? Do you really believe it's a case of "Dislike/Hate" vs ISSUES?

REAL Conservatives will NOT vote for McAmnesia because he's moving the party to the LEFT.

Remember what I posted yesterday: If you fail to vote your CONVICTIION, you are a COWARD!

Medved and "RINOs"
A couple of weeks ago on his website blog Medved described all those opposed to McCain as RINOs,
perhaps the most offensive insult anyone could make against principled conservatives.
As a listener to Medved, I wrote expressing my strong objection to this slur and promised I would no longer listen to his show - and I no longer listen to his program.
I also wrote to my local radio station and to Salem Radio Network to register my complaint.
Michael Medved is so far out of sync with his broadcast colleagues that it took this magnum opus to attempt to justify/rationalize his wrong headed opinion on John McCain.
Medved was wrong on Huckabee ("Do Mormons believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers?")and he's wrong about forked talk McCain.
Everyone whould read Robert Novak's "Prince of Darkness" in which he describes the country club republicans that infected the republican party in the 50's and 60's which gave us pretend conservatives like Nixon and Ford who set back the party decades.
But the cry then was to support the party's nominee and not only hold your nowe but shut your mouth!
John McCain is an untrustworthy, unreliable, unstable and unpleasant person.
No amount of Medved's blather will change this individual.
Prediction: after McCain is over-
whelming defeated in November, Medved will become this cycle's David Brock and offer himself up to the highest bidder on the leftwing side of the ledger- does the name George Soros ring a bell?
Bet on it.

TeeHall
Don't make references to World Net Daily (wnd.com).....you're wasting your time (not with me).

Michael has dismissed this website many times on his radio show, as....."wacko....not credible...etc"


The Coat Of Many Stripes
Dear friend, Michael Medved, I will confess that I had this suspicion for some time, and now the Liberal pundits and you are showing your true coat colors. Blue on the left, red on the right and a big yellow stripe down the back.

You are a bloody TROJAN HORSE a long with other affiliated with Town Hall here. You are no moral political analyst, you are a lying Liberal opportunist with your own dishonest agenda.

Thomas Sowell, is principled and balanced, a great American, but you are a bloody socialist, big Government McCain supporter. Is the bet on now, that your true colors, a chameleon like talk show host compromising ethical principles and Town Hall to just to say I told you so..

What I won't do is dsu behind your back, what I would not say to your face. And your name, is the very thing that you have disgraced.

"Mitt Romney did not attract McCain, Huckabee or anyone. He compared up front all their records to give the public the facts. That is not an attack, that is call Smart Politics applied honestly. You are the attack dog, but you don't have the courage to be up front.

You will smear an honest man, to promote your corrupt agenda. Smoke and mirrors won't run the Whitehouse, or clean up the mess in Washington. When everyone learns this fact, you will have to apologize or to you, because after I am though, if you don't You will have lost the support of the decent, honorable people here on Town Hall. Just like McCain has lost my trust, the only way out is through the front door of confession, godly sincere sorrow and repentance.

=THE END NEVER JUSTIFIES THE MEANS=

I wish that I could trust you. Your are a talented journalist, but what is a person without Integrity? I have my won’t faults, but as you have compromised with political expedience, perhaps greed, you can never succeed.

Betrayal has consequences
Mr. Medved, you have help create this issues problem by your support of this liberal Republican.

Never will I support him unless he signs a binding pledge to stop illegal immigration and enforce our immigration laws. (not a rehash of McC-Kennedy) I want a written pledge for support of REAL conservative issues. Not the 'real' conservative issures he claims to be for.

Untill then I don't believe him and won't vote for him. I want to see it in writing.

His history of betraying people does have consequences.

Far More Precious Is Integrity
Far More Precious Is Integrity

‘We do need men who have no price, who for any glory or pleasure or wealth, are not for sale. It is a Terrible commentary on human nature and our culture today, to say or believe that every man has his price. There is nothing finer in history than a soul that is not for sale, of impeccable honesty -- within -- to myself, as well as without in his dealings with men. Few men care to probe around for a clear look at their own true motives. They bring out reasons to justify themselves, better than they deserve. In business they talk of service when the real situation is greed for excessive profits, in politics men speak of humility when the insatiable drive for more glory prods them on. It is a great day in a man’s life when he examines himself and decides to guide his life as truly as possible by the best motives he can find -- gospel standards that now go deep and purify to before God and man."

‘A young certified public accountant, who was given an opportunity to make a million dollars in a few months time by a course of action which in other days would have been regarded as dishonest. He asked his mother for her opinion. After a few moments’ silence she replied, “Jim, you know when I come to wake you in the morning I shake you hard and you don’t stir. And I shake you even harder and you give a little moan. And finally I shake you as hard as I can and you open one sleepy eye. I’d hate to come in morning after morning and find you awake.” He turned the job down and has been sleeping soundly since. That’s the thing that have their origin in reality, a feeling that the cosmos has a stake in the human drama, and that God holds us responsible for our failures.’
--Obvert C. Tanner “Christ’s Ideals For Living”

Borders
Open comment to McCain:

Hey, John, would you do us a favor, should you become president?

After you spend 100 years securing Iraq's borders, would you spend a little time securing America's borders?

I'm sure all that experience you have in securing AZ's borders will come in handy.....NOT!

Making Peace with Conservatives
Fred Barns says that McLame must go to CPAC and make peace with the conservatives by “moderating” his position on some of the issues. To paraphrase William Wallace in Braveheart here is what I say he must do:

Before we vote for you, you must cross that field, present yourself before this group, put your head between your legs, and kiss your own *rse. Lower your head and march straight back to Arizona, stopping at every conservative home to beg forgiveness for a decade of betrayal and helping the Democrats. Do this and your campaign shall live. Do it not, and you will have the biggest loss since Taft in 1912.

This should be interesting
The Democrats may send a woman into the election
that "no one" will vote for and the Republicans
will send a man into the election that "no one"
will vote for.

It ought to be an interesting circus.

P.S. When I think of personality over substance,
I think of Ronald Reagan.

Understimating Conservatives
I can only assume that you, MM, have strayed so far from your roots that, like Washington insiders, your past clarity on issues and people are gone and you seek the media limelight that your are now in.

I do believe that the conservatives in this primary election cycle were caught somewhat off-guard. With relatively new concepts such as winner-take all primaries that Rudy helped set up to get the nod and has helped McCain instead have surprised many. I wonder what the delegate count would be for the candidates if that were not the present situation? We have NOT organized fast enough that is sure.

Look, for each of your quotes for McCain that you give in support, I can give you 12 McCain quotes that scare true conservatives to death. At present he appears to be barely conservative and we all know that this is the time (in the primaries) that he should be at his conservative best. What is he going to look like when he is running in the general election??? I think that that is going to scare everyone to death.

Look, he is washington establishment, he is a maverick (almost always against conservative principles), and he is in no way a Reaganite.

I cannot believe I am saying this but I would rather there be a democrat in the white house who I can spend my money and time opposing than have McCain there and the RNC demanding MY money and support. I know that you think we will all come around in November but with the people that I talk to on a regular basis, I have NEVER seen such opposition to a candidate as I have with McCain.

With 2 liberals running for President, only one will win. Many will soon lose interest in the republican liberal which will equate into loss of money, manpower and votes. He may have won the battle but he is going to lose the war. The scary thing is that the thought of a Clinton back in the WH is not enough to stop that from happenning.


Some Choice?
Let's see:

If conservatives vote for the Hildebeast or B. Hussein Obama, they/we will get stabbed in the chest.

If conservatives vote for Juan McCain, they/we will get stabbed in the back.

Some Choice!

Thingur, you've ignited an idea:
Given that modern liberalism has taken all the the attributes of a religion, could a Democratic landslide (especially if it ushers in Bill & Hillary) lead to the year 2012 becoming a bit of prophecy by Robert Heinlein?

Blame Conservatives Game
Tme MSM has gleefully constructed a pedestal for Senator McCain knowing full well that his pretending supporters will gladly join in its destruction once he has been hoisted onto it. So-called independents and centrists are unwilling or unable to make a decision based on principle and choose to wait until a trend becomes obvious before voting for a candidate -- any candidate so long as he or she appears to be the winner.

I predict that Medved etal will blame conservatives for the crash of the Republican Party in November 2008.

Boutte
Boutte writes: Wednesday, February, 06, 2008 8:16 AM
Medved channels the masters
"...both McCain and Romney want to persevere in Iraq till victory, to use force if necessary to prevent a nuclear Iran, to treat Islamo-Nazi terror as the profound evil it is..."

Translation: the Israel Lobby bought both of those RINOs.

Dear Boutte, you sound not like a conservative American but pure and simple neo-nazi. Jews bought McCain, is that what you are saying?
Seems you don't know that 90% of Jewish population vote Democrat and therefore cannot possibly vote for McCain.

If you are looking for a scapegoat, like many of your ideological brothers throughout the history, go no further than the mirror: you are the problem. You promote hatred in America, not the Jews.

Do you really believe that Jewish lobby is so powerful to influence President, VP, Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense and the entire American Congress who voted for war with Iraq?

You are either extremely naive or extremely stupid. I personally inclined to think the latter.

McCain
Mr. Medved seems bent on backing McCain regardless of truth or consequences. Mr. Medved seem to think that McCains volatile temper is okay and even refreshing. The finger on the nuclear button should be controlled by a man who can control himself. I realize that matters not to Mr. Medved. He has already thrown his hat into the pit with McCain and will take him, warts, temper, dishonesty and back stances anyway.

MOTEL 6 REPEAT?
It looks like we're gonna have four more years of the Clintons' trashing and pilfering the WA. Motel 6 ...err, White House. Horrors!

McCain't will NEVER win against Billary (she'll beat Obama. In the debates, he looked and sounds too much like a little, hunched-over, old guy, with very little substance and not presidential looking at all. He is too untrustworthy and a warmonger.

Mitt Romney is the only candidate who could have beaten Clinton one-on-one on issues in the upcoming presidential debates.

Too long is booriing-sorry.
Medford:

your article is much too long. Only read one paragraph. There's much reading to be done on all the sites and blogs today, so just read your first paragraph. No time.

CONGRATS TO MCCAIN
Big difference in the immigration positions between McCain and Romney and McCain continues to parse words on the issue.The illegal immigration voters are being won overwhelmingly by Romney there's just not enough of them.Since the nit wits in Cali think McCain would be better on the economy a issue he stated he wasn't that good on.Talk about a clueless group of people.

Myself,family and friends will not vote for McCain or donate a dime.For those who back McCain good luck to you in the Fall.We just can not support a candidate we do not agree with.Did anyone notice the raw vote numbers in the states last night?The Dems were swamping the repubs in each state.McCain and his team have their work cut out for them as far as money and enthusiasm!

Misunderestimated Animosity
The animosity between McAmnesty and much of the Republican party cannot be misunderestimated.

McAmnesty is simply the wrong person for the job at this or any other time. He loves to tweak the nose of the rank-and-file and he pursues the adulation of the media by adopting their positions on the issues.

I'd rather vote for a Democrat, instead of a fake Republican.

Robert again exemplifies McCain
Again, you've proven that you and McCain are willing to murder your own in order to attain power. Your cowardice and false witness to being a naval officer represents the most pathetic attempt at developing a spine.

The fact that you and McCain promote slavery as modern economic practice should open the eyes of America. Seriously, you're pathetic racist tripe.

You're a continuation of the Bush legacy as shown by your candidates lips wrapped around the current administration. In a way, it's too bad that McCain won't win as I personally wish we could test the sociopath mantra you describe in your projected fantasy. I'm believe McCain shares your psychotic sense of anti-social behavior towards other human beings as evidenced by the lack of shame you both profess. The fact that you need to use some talk-show host to justify religious persecution speaks volumes of your lack of character. You cannot stand on the character or achievements of your candidate (as in none). You can only act like a two year-old in an example of your continuing spineless drivel.

I'm sure when another Clinton finishes gutting our military and hiring national security advisors that delete national archives with papers smuggled in their crotches, McCain will sit in his Keating begotten mansion in Sedona and talk about his sacrifices.

DickMorris just said on Fox
that Romeny should drop out and Huckabee stay in. He says McCain can not win the NE Sates that he beat Romney on in the General Election and Huckabee won the States that McCain needs to win in the South.

LOL, the people doing the calls are getting stupider and stupider. The entire system is broken and needs fixing.

MCcAIN NEEDS A BIG TIME EPIPHANY

.....McCain would have to go down to the Colorado river and have Huckabee conduct a full emersion baptism ...then he would have to strap on his six guns and become a lifetime member of the NRA ...he would have to sign a no tax pledge and promise to nominate Justices that would overturn Roe ...get us out of Iraq with victory ...vow to drill in Anwar and to develop domestic oil, natural gas and coal reserves ...build nuclear plants ...tell the Sierra Club and the eco-freaks to take a hike and denounce Global Warming for the hoax that it is ...

.....If he did all that ...then I might change my mind and vote for him .....COLOSSUS

The devil's in the details...
McCain, like all politicians, is crafty in what he says. Sure, he'll secure the borders. Then, he'll grant citizenship to 20million illegal aliens. I haven't heard him say that he's changed him mind on that. There's big difference between he and Mitt on that one.

He'll keep taxes low, but he proposes to add $.50 per gallon to gasoline so Americans can pay for "man-made" global warming that doesn't exist.

He'll appoint conservative judges but authored McCain-Feingold. At least maybe his appointees can overturn his bills!

I'll be listening into the CPAC convention and particularly to McCain's speech. He will forever unite, or alienate, Republicans based on his performance. If he trys to sell his tired old rhetoric to conservatives, he'll get booed off the stage. If he says the right things, without leaving anything out, then he has a chance to win back conservatives.

Vic
McAmnesty’s ONLY CHANCE is to pick a STRONG CONSERVATIVE as VP. Quite frankly, McMidget looks like he has 1 foot in the grave and 1 on a banana peel. A hard campaign for President will likely kill him and we will end up with our man in The White House.

You May Be Correct, but
You are undoubtedly correct that the stated positions of all the candidates are very similar. You are also correct that McCain's and Romney's historical patterns are fairly similar -- i.e. largely conservative with a few strays here and there. BUT substantial numbers of conservatives remain skeptical that a President McCain would adhere to more than stray from conservative prinicals. This is a guy who laps up praise from the Times, Post and other liberal media. His resistance to these sirens is not at all clear. At the end of the day, he is a better risk than either of the two Democrats, but we need people going to the polls with enthusiasm, not grudgingly (e.g. for Bob Dole). He has a long road to go on that score.

System is Broken
Yes, Vic, the system is BROKEN.

I think it's pathetic that we have such a disparity in the states' delegate selection process. We have the "winner takes all" vs. the "proportional method," etc. The system needs to be standardized, and please people, don't give me the "States' rights" argument. This is a NATIONAL election, and there should be ONE standard!

This is why it's impossible for a 3rd party candidate to gain traction in America....what a country, huh?


Right on Mike
Ok, so some don't trust McCain, because of his past, i get that; but why do you trust Romney then. His past is just as bad. I think Medved is right and before reading this i had decided i'd support Huckabee for the same reasons in this blog. I don't agree 100% with any of the top three and something they've said or did has ticked me off. Overall though i'm not sure their that much different on policy, so i'm going to go with the guy i like watching on TV. I know this sounds bad, but i have lots of friends who don't care at all about politics, but they like Huckabee. Why, Huckabee is a genuinly funny and nice guy, he goes on the Colbert Report and can joke around without looking like a stuffed shirt, he's a guy people can relate too. I'm not that keen on the fact that he used to be a babtist preacher and i think the press is trying to ruin his chances as painting him the church candidate; but in a national debate Huckabee would win over lots of undecided people who just want somebody they can trust in the white house and i think Huckabee is that man.

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Georgetwin
I think it will take a lot more than a VP to win back conservatives. As one of the other pundits said yesterday, selection of a VP doesn't win elections if you do it right. Selection of a VP loses elections if you do it wrong.

Knowing how his royal maverickness thinks I think he will do it wrong just to spite the base one more time. It would not surprise me a bit if he picked Lieberman. wouldn't that be a kicker. Lieberman would be the only one to run as VP back to back in two different parties.

It also would not surprise me that he picks Huckleberry.

cold hard truth
We need to get rid of the delegate method. As I said the other day this system has NOTHING worth saving. Start from scratch. Have several different run-off elections where the bottom candidates are eliminated each time with the number of run-offs dependent on the number of candidates. I would also try for some way to limit candidates to those who could show support from at least 1% of the voters.

I am one American who is a
conservative first, Republican second. I am not a sheep who can be herded to vote for "the GOP candidate" whoever that person is - simply because there's an "R" after his/her name.

So, Mr. Medved (and others like him), stop it, already with the "cutting off your nose to spite your face" routine. Do I want to see America take a more liberal turn? I propose that it already has... Democrats are turning out in record numbers and McCain is atop the GOP leader board.

You see, for me it's a personality AND substantive issues conflict when it comes to the Senator from Arizona. I do not trust John McCain. I will not vote for someone I do not trust. Period.

Medved wants Hillary to win
This is the only conclusion one can come to.

WHEREAS moderate Republicans either have not won or have barely won in the general (and one could argue that GW only won because the opposition put up two of the worst candidates since Michael Dukakis),

WHEREAS there is more animosity toward McCain by the base of the party than Bush ever dreamed about in his worst nightmares,

WHEREAS McCain is a liberal,

and WHEREAS Medved is smart enough to understand the above points,

BE IT RESOLVED that Medved wants Hillary to win the White House.


baseball doc 10:53a post
I think that about covers it...

mccain is a traitor?
is mr medved that incredibly gullible to think that mr mccain has any conservative principles?

the incredibly lame rationalizations that he goes though that any 5th grader can see though is amazing!

mccain has no interest in promoting conservative policies. in fact, he relishes in being a maverick to stand with his friends across the aisle in AGW, oil drilling, tax cuts, amnesty, ...

mccain is not smart enough to be president. he makes john kerry look like a genius. half the time he does not even realize he is a republican!

sorry micheal. if the republicans put up this LOSER, the GOP is going to slaughtered in 2008. character means something and this man has no integrity or character. against any of the dems, it will be a landslide of mammoth proportions. something like the mcgovern debacle.

it will be seen as a mandate and all of this will be brought to you by the 5th from the bottom in his class,
"daddy got me my pilot's license"
"don't know much about economics",
"it's not amnesty",
"better government trumps the 1st amendment"
john mccain.

if it is mccain, be a maverick - VOTE OBAMA!

Congratulations Michael and John
Michael and John, You deserve credit where credit is due. You have successfully pulled the wool over the eyes of the sheeple. This election proves that people who are informed and conservative will not support a liberal like John McCain, even in his own state, but that there are far too few informed voters. If you look at the result one other statistic that stands out is that if Huck and Mitt were united, they would have creamed McCain. As for you bigots out their, I am sad that you are so misguided and do not apparently care what the Bible teaches. As for you McCain supporters, congratulations in leading our party down the toilet. I do not like Huckabee because he is a liar, a dirty politician and a McCain supporter, but at least he is right on the right to life issue. McCain is the anti-Republican and will likely act has he has in the past (if he lives that long, 71yrs old), like a liberal. But you do deserver recognition for your ability to lie, cheat and steal, Satan I am sure is very proud of you.

Moses, you need to understand Michael
He is a liberal amnesty guy. Michael has some conservative areas, but is mostly a liberal republican. He used to be a Democrat, but since the republican party has gone left, Michael is at home here. We are in trouble as a party. Republicans need to wake up and realize that there party has left them like Reagan realized that his party in the sixties, the Democrat party left him. We either need to overhaul it or reorganize it into another party. I am sure that our great leader Ronald Reagan is rolling over in his grave that McCain is calling himself a Reagan republican. I believe that is Micheal Reagan's take.

The Razor's edge
How competitive is Huckabee?

Check this out...

McCain beat Huckabee by 3.3% in Oklahoma
Were the positions reversed it would have meant 26 more delegates for Huckabee

McCain beat Huckabee by 1.44% in Missouri
Were the positions reversed it would have meant 58 more delegates for Huckabee

Those 84 delegates plus the 163 (169-6 in OK) would have given Huckabee 219 delegates to Romneys 265.

I know we can play what-if and should'a-could'a-would'a all day long. But make no mistake, Huckabee is a force to be reckoned with... and the Romney camp is sweating on Wednesday morning.


And now
Now that the 3 demorats are on their way, my question is:

Is gas tax going to go up $0.50 or $1.00.

Bow Down
McCain can still be beaten and now is not the time to start bowing down to McCain.

There are 6 caucus and 19 primaries left. Only 2 LA (20 delegates) and MS (39) delegates are Southern. Huckabee may be a factor in a few states but he is not going to win much from here.

The real question is can talk radio and Romney put together a string of victories. The caucuses have exposed McCain's weakness. He is not supported by most of the Republican party regulars. They do not want to run on one leg of the stool (war). They also do not want an old Washington insider geezer to lead the party.

If McCain Wins the Nomination
He is going to need LOTS of cash.

I hope I get a 100 "begging letters" from him, so I can tell him to "FORGET IT" 100 times.

I hope I get a 100 phone calls to help with his campaign (as I have volunteered for the GOP since 1980, so I know I am "on the list") so I can tell him "FORGET IT" 100 times.

I haven't decided who will get my vote among VA Republicans to replace RINO John Warner who we have finally gotten rid of. But if the ultimate Senate nominee is "McCain-like", he ALSO can kiss my vote goodbye.

News flash for McCain...THERE ARE MILLIONS OF US THAT FEEL THE SAME WAY!!!

While I am not pissed enough to actually vote for a Democrat (I am not into hurling as a rule), I will definitely sit out the Presidential race and only vote for the Congressional races...maybe.

There have been a few posts concerned about fracturing the party.

Instead of being worried about the fracture in the party, maybe we should be REJOICING about it!

Like Rush (and Reagan said), you may win one or two elections by choosing "electabilty" for principle, but this CONSERVATIVE wants the GOP to get back to the conservative message...protect us, close the border, lower taxes, lower spending, and the ability to conduct commerce without undue regulation.

I am a CONSERVATIVE FIRST and a Republican second.

If the GOP wants to be a "Democrat Lite" party, then we are doomed to being in the minority again or the next 20 years.

But if the GOP truly wants to be the party for Conservatives, then they better start acting like it.

I am reading Newt's book REAL CHANGE. THIS is what the GOP SHOULD stand for. Get a copy.

This is what the GOP SHOULD look like, but sadly…

Brokered Convention
If Romney can take this all of the way to a brokered convention it will be best for the Party.

Even if we had to go to someone other than Romney or Huckabee we as a party would be better off than with McCain at the head of the ticket.

There has to be someone out there who, in a brokered convention, would be a better nominee than McCain.

Romney is a means of getting to a brokered convention. I would be happy if he won but just about anyone is better than McCain.

We need a ticket that can run against Obama and McCain is not that ticket.

Hillary has most of her best states behind her. She is splitting the white vote, losing the black vote and getting about 2/3s of the Hispanic vote. TX is the only state left with a lot of Hispanics.

The Dems will probably go to a brokered convention. Our best hope at this point is to stop McCain and come up with an alternative who really represents the Party.

Lemonade, combine Mc's and Huck's
votes and those are the americans who will vote for their ticket in November. The "no one will vote for" statement is arrogance without evidence. Who died and made you, and talk radio the deciders for the republican party? I am a conservative who will support ANYBODY BUT ROMNEY in this primary election because while I disagree with other candidates on some issues, they are authentic in what they believe and why they believe it. Mitt is a sorry phoney who thought pretending to be a conservative and buying a radio station that requires it's employees to endorse him would be a winning strategy. Fortunately, americans are too smart to get bought! Mc and Hillary or Obama will receive votes from americans whose priorities for this country may be different - but whose authenticity is not questionable. Mitt needs to go back to Wall Street where they peddle anything with a new package and hope the market goes up. Not in main street and not today, there will not be a mormon in the whitehouse or a pretend conservative.

Questions
To the DEMS, "reaching across the aisle" means they have found some RINOs to support THEIR agenda! Like McCain!

When have THEY EVER "reached across the aisle" to embrace conservative ideas? NEVER!

So, to ME, a Republican espousing liberal ideas is no better than the Dems doing it themselves!

Why would an independent voter want Dem-Lite McCain than Dem-Real Hillary or Obama?

Answer: THEY WON'T!

GOP, be prepared for a "Mondale" size loss.

I predicted in other TH posts that if Hillary gets the nomination she will probably get 300-350 Electoral votes (270 needed). Obama will top 400. I cannot see anything changing that except another GOP candidate.

So you idiots that gave the nomination to McCain, you bought him...YOU own him, not the true conservative base.

Mr. Medved
I both read your columns with interest and listen to you on the radio. I think part of the problem most conservatives who oppose McCain have isn't his speeches. He's always talked a good game but when it comes time to vote he seems more interested in impressing Teddy Kennedy and Barbara Boxer than he does conservatives. Now let's assume for a minute that he gets the conservative vote, from his past voting record we're not going to see tax cuts but tax increases, we're not going to see a fence on the border but more amnesty for illegal aliens, we're not going to see a principled stand against the use of infants as sources for experimental stem cells, we're going to see increased funding for abortion on demand. Near as I can tell, McCain is the only republican who has managed to alienate fiscal conservatives, social conservatives and religious conservatives. For my money if we're going to have a liberal democrat in office I'd at least like him or her have (d) after their name.

Sorry but with a McCain nomination it's going to very hard for me to vote for a man who has consistantly voted against my interests in smaller government, freedom of speech and freedom of religion. From his voting record the man appears to have a problem with the citizens of this country being speaking their minds, worshiping as they wish and if they're too young breathing is something else he seems to have a problem with.

Tadpole
Did you mean McVain is winning where the GOP has NO hopes of winning in the General election? Because if you did mean to type Romney, you're not in this world.
Romney has just about taken every traditionally solidly RED state in the Western US:
WY, MT, CO, UT, AK, NV (should he stay in the race, he'll win ID, and most likely NM and WA)
McVain has taken BLUE (regardless of who heads up the GOP ticket in the General):
NH, NJ, NY, CT, DE, CA, IL (Which account for almost all of his delegates).
Now here's the tragedy for the GOP. Of the primary states were both GOP and DEM candidates were vying for votes, in traditionally RED: OK, MO, SC, TN, GA, and AR, the Dems gathered more votes overall than the GOP candidates!
A DEM ticket with Obama on it (Pres or Veep) will shatter the RED South which is crucial to any GOP national victory!
Get ready for a Democrat in the Whitehouse (for who knows how long), and I'm afraid a Dem majority US House (with a comfortable margin) and a filibuster proof US Senate, and I can't wait for McVain's entry in the US history books to be for loosing by the most electoral votes in modern history!
I am prepared for the next "great Society".

Sarah
You religious bigotry never ceases to amaze me.

so in your tradition.

There will not be a baptist in the whitehouse or a pretend conservative.

Sarah is Smoking out of McCain's Stash!
Are you NUTS?

Red states will stay red?

VA is going BLUE, CO is going BLUE, PA and CA will stay BLUE, FL may go BLUE, the NE states will go BLUE. The SOUTH may also go BLUE if Obama is the nominee, even IF Huckabee gets the VP nod.

Do you REALLY think what you posted bears any resemblance to REALITY?

Like I said, with 270 needed to win...

McCain-Hillary: 300-350 for Hillary MINIMUM

McCain-Obama: 400+ to Obama.

Read 'em and weep! THAT is REALITY!

Bush Has SCREWED Republicans!
I was a BIG BUSH supporter (both money and time), but he has disappointed me over and over, as he has MANY conservatives.

So saying McCain is like BUSH is NO great thrill for most of us true conservatives. Other than tax cuts and finally rebuilding the military, Bush has been a big DISAPPOINTMENT!

Saying "straight talk" and McCain in the same breath has become disgusting to me. If you believe that tripe, we DESERVE Hillary or Obama.

Give me a break!

Sarah
In case you haven't noticed Bush/McCain lost the immigration battle and the honorable senator spent the last four years undermining the DOD (giving the MSM the talking points against Rumsfeld/Bush that they wanted). Now he's Mr. Surge. Give me a break. Romney is the only legitimate spending/tax cutter around (with Fred gone) and he's not about to start with the WOT and the military. I don't know what all this nonsense is about who owns what radio station but the fact is that Mac has been wrong time after time and he wouldn't know straight talk if it bit him in the behind. He's a lib lover(media hack) now and forever. Real conservatives have to start taking over Congress district by district until we can finally beat the lemmings (Rinos included) that are ruining any chance of fiscal responsibility and eradication of Muslim killers so desparately required of this country.

overall vote
Super Tuesday overall GOP vote total percentages from an article I read online:

McVain 40.57%
Romney 34.45%
Huck 20.20%
Paul 4.77%

Super Tuesday gross votes from states conducting both GOP and DEM primaries (not caucuses):

DEM 17,617,091
GOP 12,256,327

These states represent 274 electoral votes of which the GOP had more gross primary voters than the DEMs in states giving them a 68 electoral vote take (of which 17 were normally Blue MI where there were more GOP primary voters than Dem, maybe only due to the DEMs allowing no delegates to national from that state; also, 27 are from FL wherein GOP voters outnumbered DEM, but in which the DEMs also were denied national delegates and may have had their votes depressed).

I'm with you, BG
Maybe Fred gets back in and picks Romney as his running mate. That would be the sweetest debate when the Hi-liar-y/Ba-racist tandem has to start explaining its big government spending spree and negotiating with terrorists. I hope it materializes.

Sarah writes:
Mitt does own the radio station so I think it's about keeping their jobs

Now you’re just lying through your teeth. You and all you Huckarys and Mcquackary's, have been shown that mitt left bain when he went to run the Olympics and anyone that keeps saying it, is now just lying. Let me tell you one other thing on McQuack. The only thing we will know about terror is if by the grace of God he would win POTUS. But, as many like my self have been pushed as far as mitt, we go no further. Anyone who thinks McQuack can win against his fellow libs, think again!
Video from Vietnam Vets follows, war hero my arse!

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean
GO MITT!
http://www.mittromney.com/homepage

Medved, Here's an idea for you
McCain has yet to apologize for his record. Did he or didn't he support the dims against tax cuts? Did he or didn't he support the dims against Alito? Did he or didn't he support the dims on shamnesty? Did he or didn't he support the dims on accusing our military of torture and shutting down Gitmo?

I'm waiting for some straight talk. Would you trust him if he finally did?

Who Else
Thinks Sarah is starting to sound like a republican lilly? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
McQuack will never win POTUS. To many con-serves know the truth about him.

ttp://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietnam_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

ttp://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.html
Free Ramos and Compean
GO MITT!
http://www.mittromney.com/homepage

If McCain was such a MILITARY MAN...
Then why did he fold like a cheap umbrella when BOTH GHWB AND Clinton DECIMATED our military in the 90s?

He had HUNDREDS of votes that he could have cast and didn't...

He had the "gravitas" to defend the need for a strong military and didn't...

He loves to tout his war hero status (and I DO give him THAT ONE!), but yet has done NOTHING to help the military who he holds so "dear".

He SLAMMED Rumsfeld for his efforts to "modernize" the military to be able to fight the kind of war we will be seeing in the future.

Yep, with a "military man" like McCain in the White House, we all should feel SO SECURE! NOT!

If Obama wins
Did anyone catch the first things out of his mouth last night? You can expect the federal government to move into your disaster area probably before the locals go into action. I wonder what disaster conservatives will be accused of in the next four years to call in the feds?

ISSUES VS PERSONALITY
Mike is WRONG!

This is an ISSUES fight, not a PERSONALITY fight.

If it was personality...Does McCain even HAVE ONE?

McCain "better" than Romney on the ECONOMY (at least according to the exit polls)? McCain doesn't even know how to SPELL economics, and has professed HIMSELF that he knows nothing about it!

So instead of a successful businessman who KNOWS what it is like to run a payroll and have the lives of others dependent on him, we get a COMPROMISE FIRST RINO BUREAUCRAT?

Yep. We GOPers surely deserve to run the country again.

When are you mindless McCain cows following the herd of the MSM going to realize what we are going to offer the country in November is s recipe for a landslide!

And we are on the wrong side of it!

I hope you are all happy, when MILLIONS of the base all stay home and watch the meltdown.

Charles
I forgot, who are you for again? McQuack, Huckary, billary? They are so much alike, it's hard to keep track.

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
Free Ramos and Compean
GO MITT!
http://www.mittromney.com/homepage


mclame
Speaks to either Americans' gullibility or painfully short memories. He votes like a democrat yet tosses out conservative platitudes like candy from atop a parading firetruck and everyone goes scampering to eat it up. I believe most voters are utterly unconcerned with the process, feeling it won't make any difference. From conversations with my neighbors it's clear they haven't the foggiest idea who to vote for on either side because they don't educate themselves on who voted for what.

sorry
second figures on electoral vote allocation was for primary states to-date, wherein each party was holding, or has held, a primary. That's why MI and FL were mentioned.

...and the "filibuster proof"US
Senate majority I was predicting in my post to Tadpole was, of course, with a Dem US Senate majority, and does not mean I am predicting the GOP to have less than 40 US Senate seats post-2008, but that the Dems will have, I'm predicting 57 seats, plus two Independents, and, of course, the RINOs.

I'll also predict (considering that he could not carry his own State with a simple majority in the GOP primary there) that McVain, after loosing the 2008 Presidential race, will be recalled from the US Senate in 2010 by the citizens of AZ. PRAISE JESUS!

maverick?
Please stop calling McCain a maverick. Ron Paul is a maverick.

The more appropriate animal for McCain would be the donkey, or maybe the rhinoceros.

Phony?
I'm always amused by people like Sarah who disingenuously claim their candidate is not a "pretend conservative" and that Mitt is a "phoney" [sic]. Given that Mitt's record matches up the closest with his rhetoric, I throw a BS flag on Sarah.

Of the current crop of GOP candidates, Paul's record is the closest to his rhetoric. The problem most of us have with Paul is that he is weak on the national security leg of the stool. That leaves us with Huckabee who is running radio ads about him being the "true conservative", completely glossing over his liberal populism as a governor and McCain who is claiming to be the "Reagan foot soldier" in his ads. Okay, so who is being phony here?

An obvious moderate (and conspiracy theorist) governor from AK is claiming to be the one true conservative left in the race when his record PROVES this is a lie. And a dangerously unhinged liberal senator from AZ is attempting to wear the Reagan mantle when the reality is that he has done everything possible to undermine the very coalition that Reagan built.

Meanwhile, Mitt admits that his previous positions were more liberal as the governor of a liberal state and that he has moved right (and consistently so). He has the most obvious integrity of the candidates (excepting Paul of course) and yet sheeple like Sarah claim that he is the one "phoney" [sic] candidate in the race.

Sorry, I'm not buy the junk you're selling Sarah.

PEACE DIVIDEND?
That MAY fly for the military downgrade, but not about the rest of the mess Clinton left us in.

No security for our nuke programs (allowing China to get our latest billion dollar research for FREE).

Giving the Chines our guidance technology for FREE (again costing us billions)?

Decimating our intelligence agencies (besides killing them, putting up Gorelick's WALL between them so NONE of them would be effective)?

Shall I keep going?

Through all this ... McCain was INVISIBLE!

If that's a peace dividend, then give me WAR!

Mr. Medved- Ummm
By your own logic, Republicans will lose in Nov.
You say when the split is about issues, they lose and when it's about personality, the re-unite.
The fractured part of the Republican party is ISSUE-based (immigration).
The fractiousness among Dems is purely about personality. They really have no issues, only personalities. Therefore, they'll unite behind either of their candidates, and republicans won't.
The wild card: is the independent vote bigger than the "very" conservative portion of the republican party?

Liar
You know, Medved has gotten where he doesn't just manipulate the facts -- he outright lies!

It IS about the issues. I will NEVER vote for McCain. I may not vote at all but will vote for Hillbama if it looks like McCain has a chance of winning my state.

CHAOS writes:
Through all this ... McCain was INVISIBLE!
If that's a peace dividend, then give me WAR!

Maybe closer than you think. With all these idiots who side with McQuack or Huckary. I see McQuack getting the nom. If, as I think will happen, real conservatives will stay home or writes someone’s name in as I will do, the dems win. Then we get to go back to the likes of Gorelick, Clinton, or even worse Obam which it is to close to call. McQuack wins the Nom, the dems win POTUS. It’s that simple. And with no one willing to close our borders, (either side of libs) or at least make them secure, we will end up fighting in the streets while the dems are busy sucking up to the terrorist, some already here.
http://judicialwatch.org/blog/islamic-terrorists-arrested- u-s-mexico-border
http://judicialwatch.org/http%3A//www.corruptionchronicles .com/2007/05/illegal_immigrants_helped_plan.html

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
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charlie - good catch
Thanks for picking that up charlie. It is indeed McCain that is winning in the traditionally blue states.

I stand (sit actually) corrected.

I would so love to see Romney step out of the race and have Huckabee and McCain go toe to toe in a debate. That would be something to see...

Olive Branch + Food for Thought
First off… I apologize for getting caught up in the name calling yesterday in comments on other TH blogs. When I saw Hucksters, Huckleberries, etc. I got irritated and my creative side came up with Zomnyes and Mittipulations. Two wrongs don’t make a right & I am more than willing to admit my contribution to tensions between camps.

Romney Camp, please consider the following (source CNN):

Candidate|Spent |Delegates|Cost/Delegate
Huckabee | 7,100,000| 160 | 44,375
McCain |39,146,000| 572 | 68,437
Romney |87,645,000| 250 | 350,580

Romney spent 5 times more than McCain and 8 times more than Huckabee per delegate. Doesn’t this make folks ask some obvious questions? This isn’t an attack & not made to make anyone angry. It is just worth noting.

I am not going to be arrogant and say that it is time to back a real winner. I do encourage folks to take a fresh look at where candidates stand on the issue though. So that we all aren’t buying our respective candidates’ Koolaid about their opponents I would really like to look at any relevant site that the Romney camp (or the McCain camp for that matter) wants to point me to that clarifies mischaracterizations… I respectfully encourage all to look at http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=TruthSquad.Home

We are all still Americans, right? At some point, we need to pick a nominee and start preparing for November.

Cheers,

Yt_Knight

How to win a battle and lose the war!
Nice history lesson Michael.

What you don't seem to understand is that with a great many of us, it is not a matter of personality, even though McCain is severely lacking in the same, but a serious lack of trust.

I don't give a fig what McCain says. His actions of the past several years speak louder than words. His bills, which he co-authored with Democrats (Kennedy, Feingold, Leiberman) are all terrible and show a lack of understanding. His participation in the gang of 14 tells me he is a grandstanding jerk who is more interested in his own glory than the good of the country and his outright, unquestioning acceptance of the "global warming scam" is a trojan horse of the worst kind.

Vote for McCain? NEVER!

hackamore writes:
I may not vote at all but will vote for Hillbama if it looks like McCain has a chance of winning my state.

May I suggest doing what a lot of us other conservatives are doing and write in the name of your choice? Like, Mitt, Fred, Hunter or even your dog's name as I think he probably is more of a conservative than McQuack is!

http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=956&title=Vietn am_Veterans_Against_McCain&vpkey=62acaf320c

http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.htm l
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