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Wednesday, January 30, 2008
Michael Medved :: Townhall.com Columnist
Are Senators Doomed To Lose?
by Michael Medved
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During the last century, the American people have shown a notable reluctance to elect sitting U.S. Senators to the nation’s highest office.

In 120 years, only two members of the Senate have succeeded in their campaigns to the White House. In 1920, the voters chose Warren Harding of Ohio, and in 1960 they selected John Kennedy of Massachusetts: both of them handsome charmers with a notorious eye for the ladies, both of them dead before their time in the midst of their first terms, and both of them mourned as fallen heroes in lavish displays of national grief. Today, we remember Harding far more contemptuously than he deserves and we recall Kennedy far more reverently than he deserves, but the unique status of the two of them remains unchallenged: as the only members of the “World’s Greatest Deliberative Body” elected directly to the Presidency since Indiana Senator Benjamin Harrison upset President Grover Cleveland in 1888.

During this same period, seven governors have triumphed in their bids for the White House – McKinley, Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Carter, Reagan, Clinton and George W, Bush. Meanwhile, prominent Senators (Barry Goldwater, George McGovern, Bob Dole) ran some of most disastrous races in history, while former Senator (and former Vice President) Walter Mondale managed to lose 49 states (to President Reagan) in 1984.

This dismal record of Senatorial failure raises serious questions for three of the current front-runners in the campaign of 2008, with Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John McCain all holding seats in the Senate chamber (and all of them, coincidentally, re-elected or first elected in 2004).

The Democrats may be unable to avoid the “Senatorial Curse,” because the only other remaining contender (long shot John Edwards) is also a one-term Senator. Republicans, however, see McCain opposed by three candidates with the sort of executive background voters seem to prefer: two governors (Huckabee and Romney) and a famous mayor of the nation’s largest city (Giuliani). In evaluating the candidacies of sitting solons like McCain, should primary voters consider the potential impact of the long-standing “curse of the Senate”? Do governors or other administrators enjoy a natural advantage over those with exclusively legislative experience?

An honest answer to that question requires a more complete examination of party nominees and their performance over the years. First, the “gubernatorial advantage” is largely a myth. Yes, seven governors won their races, but governors lost eight other races when they ran --Charles Evans Hughes, James M. Cox, Al Smith, Tom Dewey (twice), Adlai Stevenson (twice), and Michael Dukakis. It’s true that governors won their parties’ nominations far more frequently than Senators, but the gubernatorial title hardly provides some guarantee of general election success.

Moreover, it’s hard to believe that the American people make some conscious evaluation of the specific nature of a candidate’s official experience, imposing a reliable preference for executive over legislative backgrounds, when making their final decisions at the ballot box.

In 2000, for instance, George W. Bush could point to more administrative experience than Al Gore. He had, after all, served six years as Governor of Texas and run several business enterprises (with mixed success), while Gore’s career consisted entirely of Congressional and Senatorial terms, along with his eight years in the ceremonial and advisory role of Vice President. Nevertheless, if the issue of experience came up at all in the course of the campaign, Gore won the argument as the “more experienced” candidate – and actually won the popular vote as well.

Four years later, voters found plenty of reason to vote against John Kerry – inconsistency on issues, inflated Vietnam record, obnoxious personality, insufferable wife. No one emphasized, however, his complete lack of executive experience (other than two years in the meaningless, ceremonial position of Lt. Governor of Massachusetts). Kerry’s 20 years of Senate service worked to qualify him, not to disqualify him, for the U.S. Presidency. Given all his other obvious drawbacks as a candidate (just imagine four years of droning, pompous Presidential speeches by John Kerry!), it makes no sense to single out his Senatorial background as the basis for his defeat: it’s hard to imagine he would have fared better had he been the Governor of Massachusetts rather than U.S. Senator.

Even if he had served in an executive position somewhere far beyond the Beltway, Kerry (with his posh, Skull-and-Bones background) couldn’t have run credibly for the White House as an outsider determined to clean up the mess in Washington. The same problem may afflict another son of privilege from Massachusetts, Mitt Romney – even though he holds a gubernatorial rather than Senatorial credential. Public perceptions as an “outsider” vs. “insider” seldom hinge on Congressional service rather than gubernatorial service. For instance, Ron Paul may have served nine terms – count ‘em, nine! – as a member of the United States House of Representatives, but he’s still an obvious outsider and rebel when it comes to the Washington power structure. On the other hand, Mitt Romney’s never served in Congress (though he lost a Senate race in 1994), but his background as a multi-millionaire corporate honcho and son of a former governor and presidential candidate, marks him as a national (and, in fact, international) insider. Two long-time Senators – Barry Goldwater and George McGovern – ran campaigns as insurgents and agents of radical ideological change. They both lost disastrously, but their Senate service never discredited their posture as against-the-grain outsiders.

The main reason that Senators most often lose their bids for the presidency involves their long and public voting records, rather than insider credentials or lack of administrative experience. Every member of Congress casts literally hundreds of votes every year, and each of those recorded positions offers abundant opportunities for controversy or distortion. Aside from confusing procedural or parliamentary votes, a Senator sees countless pieces of legislation that never make it to a President’s desk – the same way that a state legislator commits himself on innumerable bills that never come before the governor. Most resolutions, bills, amendments, and other proposals confronting a legislative body will fail – either tabled or voted down in that house, or defeated in the other house.

This means, in short, that any Senator compiles a far more detailed and distortable record than a governor who’s served for a comparable period of time. Moreover, the executive position of governor or Mayor provides a better opportunity for shepherding compromise or taking credit, even when you’re not directly responsible for the accomplishment. President Bush claimed credit for working well with the Democrats in the Texas legislature during his terms as governor, even though much of the elaborate wheeling-and-dealing benefited from the sure hand of Democratic Lt. Governor Bob Bullock. Mitt Romney forever will be associated with “Health Care Reform” in Massachusetts (for better and worse), even though Democrats in his legislature crafted most of the details of the legislation which the governor ultimately signed.

In the nature of his job, an executive can associate himself with accomplishment and compromise while a legislator more often gets connected to controversy and confrontation.

In this sense, the short Senate resumes of the two leading Democrats (Obama’s been in Congress only three years, and Hillary’s been there only seven) may actually prove an advantage when compared to John McCain’s quarter century in Congress and the countless conflicts in which he’s played a prominent role. At the same time, McCain’s military service clearly equips him with superior executive and national security experience to his lightly-credentialed Democratic rivals: the Arizona Senator served 22 years in active duty and, after his return from Vietnam, commanded the largest attack squadron in the Navy.

Concerning the “Senatorial Curse” purportedly applied to Presidential candidates, McCain seems especially well-situated to shatter the spell. For one thing, if he wins the nomination he’ll surely run against a fellow senator – there’s no chance the Dems will nominate someone other than Clinton or Obama. If a Senatorial credential hurts more than it helps (and it might), who’s to say which Senator will suffer more?

Then there’s also the role precedent: the last sitting senator to win the White House was Jack Kennedy-- like McCain, a wounded Naval war hero and, like the embattled Arizonan, a student of history who’s willing and eager to break tradition. No matter what, we’re all-but-certain to get a major first on Inauguration Day, 2009: first female president, or first African-American, or first Italian-American, or first Mormon, or first professional one-time pastor, or first candidate elected to his initial term above the age of 70. Regardless of the choice of the American people in the next few months, they can hardly avoid making history.

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Michael Medved's daily syndicated radio talk show reaches one of the largest national audiences every weekday between 3 and 6 PM, Eastern Time. Michael Medved is the author of eleven books, including the bestsellers What Really Happened to the Class of '65?, Hollywood vs. America, Right Turns and, most recently, The Ten Big Lies About America.
 
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additional complementory reading
“The Senator party" vs. "The Governor party"
By Michael Medved
Wednesday, May 2, 2007

Interesting companion read for this current article. goes a long way in explaining the Ny times endorsement of McCain.

Michael
Your boy Huck should drop out now.

Not even in the Navy...
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...did John McCain gain any experience of command. He may have been "a wounded Naval war hero," but (unlike his father and his grandfather) he never fulfilled any role other than that of a Naval Aviator, and never had a command role other than as a division officer aboard an aircraft carrier.

At least Kennedy had command of a P.T. boat, and the responsibility of keeping his crew alive and getting it rescued after he let his boat get sucker-punched by a Japanese destroyer.

So, Medved, are you finally twigging to the fact that of all the horses in the Republican race, McCain is the one most likely to show up at the post with hoof-and-mouth disease?

Ron Paul may have only served as an Air Force flight surgeon, but as a physician (as well as the single consistently intransigent "Dr. No" conservative and constitutionalist in the House of Representatives for so many, many years) he's made a generous plenty of life-and-death decisions on hard-line criteria for the benefit of his patients, his constituents, and the nation in general.

And if the Democrat Party persist in their Clintonian stagnancy (and wind up with their worst scum at the top), who better than a gynecologist to handle the Woman With One Eyebrow in Novemnber?

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Michael, are you that much of a RINO?
Are you that much in love with all that Sen McLame has done all these years: McCain-Feingold, McCain-kennedy, McCain-Lieberman, the politicizing of Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, and the WOT... all from the Dems point of view.

I for one will NEVER VOTE for McSwain...No I will not hold my nose either...I will abstain and is there any difference between a ultra lib McCain/Giuliani or McCain/Huckabee ticket vs. a Hillary/Obama ticket? I don't think so...I guess I better get out my Spanish book to converse with the hordes of illegals Medved, McCain and company think are SO necessary in this American Republic?

Have you no shame, Michael!

With Rudy gone
and Huck on the ropes, it all depends on how their supporters split between Mitt and McC. Doesn't look hopeful. Just saw a decent buy in a rifle with a pistol grip stock. Last time we had a ban on pistol grips i sold my collection for 4 times what i paid for it. Looks like a good time to re-build it.

BASIC INSTINCTS
The Presidency is an executive position and most voters will instinctively choose a person with executive or other large scale leadership experience, i.e., General or Governor.

Senators vote. Most of them have had no large scale leadership experience, such as General or Governor, or even Fortune 500 executive experience. The characteristics that make an effective legislative leader are not the characteristics that make a good executive. A legislative leader is a deal maker.

Former California Governor Gray Davis is reported to have once said, "A Governor is like a President, a little tiny President".

Another strike against Rudy Giulani and John McCain is the "Silent Generation" curse. Both were born into that small transitional generation that came of age from circa 1946 through 1964, a time with no defining events. There has been no Silent Generation President.


Are Senators Doomed To Lose?
Michael Medvedev,

Why does it matter? You've long been ready to anoint, yea, to crown left-leaning liberal John McCain as Republican nominee, in your anti-Mormon, anti-conservative tirade against Mormon Mitt Romney!!

You've abandoned the conservative cause, if you ever were truly there.

I'll respond ocassionally to your blogs. But you can write me off as anyone who will listen to your pathetique "greatest nation on God's green earth" radio talk show, anymore!!!

Mr Medvedev, you might as well have that last name. Your Communist Pink-O liberalism has returned full sway again!

THIS is why many people become anti-Semitic, Mr Medvedev. Because sooner or later, your pro-Socialism roots rise above the fray. You're not any different from an Alan Dershowitz!

Cut you to the quick? Excuse me. You started slashing us FIRST!

Looking forward to your "insider interviews" with vile, anti-Mormon mama McCain?

Go ahead. Have your insider interviews. Fewer and fewer conservatives will listen to you!


Thanks Doug-I did read it!
Thanks, Doug. On your recommendation, I did read “The Senator party" vs. "The Governor party". This shows that as Ann Coulter pointed out regarding McCain (and NOT Mitt) being the GOP's major "flip-flopper", we see here that Michael Medvedev (Putin's new sidekick), is the Media equivalent of "Flip-Flopper" par excellence. Or, as Michael Medvedev might say himself—

"Panderer in Chief".

Es tu, Michael Medvedev?

I think so!

Traitor!

No More Comments!
Oh! Shut up Medved. Who cares what you think anyway?

It should be about change
Senator or Governor, Republican or Democrat.

The sad thing is, no matter who is elected, we now know THIS WILL NOT BE AN ELECTION OF CHANGE.

It's the economy stupid, and there are no new ideas to stop the decline. We will get either a socialist, a Wall Street elite, or a guy who admits he doesn't know enough about economics to have any ideas.

Huckabee has the only real "new" idea. But, the American system won't vote for a long term idea. Huckabee needed to have an equally creative idea for the short term. Huck missed his chance and dropped like a stone in the polls.

The folks out here in economic limbo have nothing to look forward to other than a few drips from trickling down from Wall Street, or a few hundred bucks we can spend at Wal Mart to buy a few bowls of rice for some Chinese slave laborer.

There are ways to stop the economic slide. But, our system does not permit the real creative solutions to bubble up.

RJBJr - There's nothing ''new''...
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...about fiscal responsibility, constitutional restraint, and government limited by rule of law, so perhaps you're right about Huckabee (alias Nehemiah Scudder) having "the only real 'new' idea" about the role of the federal government and the actions it should take in response to the business cycle crunch (also known as a recession) that is being brought about as an inevitable consequence of the Federal Reserve's christlessly Keynesian fiscal policies over the past decade and more.

Unfortunately (for Huckabee hucksters), the only candidate in the Republican race who has a firm grounding in business cycle economics (a concept borne of the Austrian School in direct opposition to Keynesian fantabulations) is someone you heartily hate and would like very much to ignore.

Ron Paul.

Seems like everywhere Republicans turn in this campaign season, they're finding that the only solid and reliable solutions to this nation's problems vest in a man who demands that they give up their RINO delusions and grow something resembling a brain at the rostral end of their supple neocon spines.

Well, doctors have a special aptitude for getting recalcitrant idiots like you to shut the hellangone up and take your medicine.

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McCain the Bob Dole of 2008
McCain a 28 yr sitting Senator running in a change electionand a election based on the economy a issue he admits he knows little about??Now McCain won voters in Flordia who said the economy is their number 0ne issue which goes to show you they haven't got a clue and just wanted to vote for McCain anyway because after all governor Crist told them to.We're not casting a vote for president this year and I'm sure we will not be alone.Good luck with McCain you're gonna need it!

Why senators don't win
Senators don't win because they are the ones who put the "Do Nothing" in the "Do Nothing Congress." The majority of people who follow politics closely view the Senate as a useless body where legislation goes to die (or judicial nominations thanks to McCain).

Part of Medved's column summed it up nicely, "a Senator sees countless pieces of legislation that never make it to a President’s desk." Legislation never makes it to the President's desk because Senators refuse to do their job. If they can't do their present job right, why in the world would the American public want to promote them to a position of higher responsibility?

This whole election process is cursed, not just certain candidates. The brain dead people in South Carolina, Michigan, New Hampshire and Iowa made sure we wouldn't have a decent person to vote for. Conservatives should have supported Duncan Hunter when they had the chance.

Hillary in 2006, not 2004
Michael,

A minor editorial correction; Hillary Clinton was not elected or re-elected in 2004. She won her first Senate term in 2000 and her second in 2006.

McCain
It's quite simple. If McCain gets the nomination, I and a great number of my family and friends will sit out the election. We're hoping for a Third Party Conservative Republican to run.

Get an AK and .45 cal pistol, then buy a lot of ammo, MRE's, and water.

Semper Fi,

WMR

The most arrogant body
Senators don't win because the greatest deliberative body is also the most arrogant, self-entitled and drunk with power body. Noone embodies those unseemly traits more than Kennedy and Feingold's "good friend" John McCain.

John McCain nobly and famously said in defence of the war that he would rather win the war in Iraq than the presidency---"country before politcal power".

What will (one way or the other) deny him the Presidency, however, was his ignoble and infamous quote about how his role in the gang of 14 "saved the Senate"---"political power before country".

"Save us from the Senators!"


Deep breath people!
I don't get this venom against McCain (and Medved for that matter). Sure McCain has done some things most conservatives have disliked, but the antagonism seems way overblown to me. Honestly, each candidate has their problems. None could be perfect. I am lifelong conservative, and for years have disliked McCain. But that opposition was based mainly on what Rush, Hannity and the like were saying. Yet Medved has shed some very helpful light on many of McCain's actions adn his lifelong record--something that I haven't heard anywhere else.

I may or may not vote for McCain on Super Tuesday, but I am mystified at the reaction he gets. Michael Medved deserves a lot of credit for his fair-minded evaluation of each candidate, including McCain. Frankly, it's been a real eye-opening experience hearing the reaction from so many conservatives. Sounds more like the playground in 4th grade.

Bill Clinton was born in 1946
yavapaidiane writes:

"Both were born into that small transitional generation that came of age from circa 1946 through 1964, a time with no defining events. There has been no Silent Generation President."

There were plenty of defining events in that time frame from the Korean War to the launch of Sputnik to the building of the Berlin Wall to the Bay of Pigs Disaster and to the killing of President Kennedy. Clinton just believed that his liberal ways were the answer to all problems. Reagan knew better.




Stepdan
You said " may or may not vote for McCain on Super Tuesday, but I am mystified at the reaction he gets. Michael Medved deserves a lot of credit for his fair-minded evaluation of each candidate, including McCain. Frankly, it's been a real eye-opening experience hearing the reaction from so many conservatives. Sounds more like the playground in 4th grade."



--Welcome to a Medved article which attracts most anti-semites and Ron Pauliacs.

You will find all kinds here. Just wait for a Ben Shapiro article. They enjoy attacking him as well just for the mere fact he is a Jew too.

A fine but fiddly point...
Mike may be correct in his assertion that only Harding and Kennedy successfully ran for President as sitting senators. But this muddies the waters. Like him or loathe him (and yes I know he was Vice-President when he took office--but Mike brought up Mondale) but Lyndon Johnson was a former senator who pushed far more of his "Great Society" initiatives than "New Frontier" initiatives proposed by former senator John Kennedy. This was due largely to experience, not just shortness of time in office. Harry Truman was also a former senator, as was Richard Nixon. They were both effective in different ways. Truman ended the Second World War and Nixon eventually extricated the US from Viet-Nam and began the normalization of diplomatic relations with China. Al Gore was a former senator who only narrowly lost to GWB, and had he not been assassinated who knows if Robert F. Kennedy would not have defeated Richard Nixon in 1968. Nixon, a former VP and Senatot defeated former VP and Senator Hubert Humphrey in that contest. Humphrey went back to the senate and died while serving there in 1978.

general objection
A general criticism, which applies to many columns supporting many candidates. There is nothing overly wrong with the argument made here, although it is clearly stressing some facts over others to reach its conclusion. But ultimately this is an advocacy piece for McCain. Why not say that upfront.

There seems to be some illusion that if one does not mention that one is righting an advocacy piece one comes off as more objective. But since the piece is so obviously written to advance the campaign of one candidate the effect is exactly the opposite, it just comes off as manipulative.

Medved is not unique in this. On the democratic side it is amazing how many Clinton supporting hit pieces on Obama are written under the pretense that they are not Clinton supporting at all, but just concerned with the party. And I have seen similar columns for Romney and Thompson (back when he was running).

I doubt anyone is fooled by these things and comes away thinking, "If the objective Medved sees this advantage for McCain, maybe I should too." Are three really people taken in by this technique?

The Senatorial "curse"
will be on us if we are forced to choose between John McCain and Hillary Clinton. I simply can't believe THAT guy is winning..........

Well stated stepdan!
McCain was not my first choice by a long shot, but I believe him to be the best of the remaining candidates. Strictly my opinion, but I will state without hesitation that I will vote for the candidate that gets the GOP nod, even if I have to hold my nose to do it. Unfortunately many others on TH seem unwilling to do the same.

Everyone should accept that people are entitled to support whomever they please and stop with the childish rants and insults. My opinion is that if your man prevails, I'll vote for him. If mine should prevail then suck it up and vote for him. I thought the prevailing wisdom was that the worst of the GOP candidates were better then the Dems? Apparently many of you don't really believe that.


Persephone in SD
I think the lesson here is that conservatives do not own the Republican party. I think I am a strong conservative, but I can accept that there are more moderates and that is why McCain is leading in the polls.

That being said, of the remaining candidates, McCain is still a better choice than Romney. I personally think Romney sucks and I make that judgement based on my own research. I don't listen to Rush and I don't read Coulter. In fact, since they all declared themselves to be in Romney's camp I don't read or listen to any of them.

They are entitled to their opinion, just as you are yours, and I am mine. I can say that I am satisfied that I arrived at my opinion without influence from anyone else.

In the end however, it is still just an opinion, but that opinion is just as valid as all the others around here. So if you've done your due diligence, congratulations, if you haven't then maybe you should.



McCain worse than Hillary
There are several yardsticks to use for determining a choice for the nomination.

1. Is he good for the nation short term?

On this point, McCain has an advantage over Hillary in that some of his stands are fairly conservative and his presence in the WH would prevent Hillary from doing damage on those things that she parts ways with McCain on. On those things he would be better (assuming he stuck to his previous stands which is doubtful knowing this guy's character).

2. Is he good for the nation long term?

Clearly this is a big NO. A McCain presidency would slouch us toward a bigger government, slowly but more assuredly than Hillary. There will be a huge desire amongst congressional Republicans to stop anything Hillary tries to do. This would not be the case with McCain. We have recent history to know this is true vis a vis a Republican moderate in the WH with a Republican Congress. Disastrous for the party.

3. Is he good for the party? My prediction is that a McCain nomination will destroy the GOP as we know it. It will be abandoned by the base leaving moderates, liberals, opportunists (such as McCain himself), and corporate types left. The rest of us will either have to move to another party or watch from the sidelines.

So pick your poison, go with Hillary and get a liberal with a (D) after her name or go with a liberal with an (R) after his name.

OK Don
You say you are a "strong conservative". How do you harmonize that statement when, at the same time, you support a liberal for president?

Goodbye Mike
Keep talking MM, you're a disgrace to the Republican party, and all the conservatives in the nation. Of course, the liberals must love you as much as they love John McTicketToADemocraticLandslide.

Moron.

Medved dishonest
I am getting more annoyed with the alleged "logic" of Michael Meved. Last week he told us that McCain never allied himself with any Liberals (I'm glad to know that Lieberman, Kennedy, and Feingold are not liberals, all this time I thought they were but Michael straightened me out on that one) and that McCain Feingold might have been bad legislation but that it was meaningless (conveniently forgetting that McCain filed suit against Wisconson Right to Life for violation of M/F).

Now he says things like:

"First, the “gubernatorial advantage” is largely a myth. "

NO IT IS NOT! Half of the governors running for office WON the presidency. And of those who lost, they were running against candidates with even stronger executive leadership experience. Meanwhile, only two sitting senators have won and dozens have lost. Look at your own numbers in your own column Michael.

The reason Senators lose is that they are ill-qualified to be president and the people see this. No one says to themselves "well, senators never win so I won't vote for them". What they see are individuals who is a compromisor and a flip-flopper (McCain being a prime, grade A example).

If a sitting senator wins this year it will be a historical aberration given that we have NEVER had two sitting senators run against each other (Harding ran against a governor and Kennedy ran against a VP). Ironically Harding was nominated as a result of a deadlocked convention and then won as a change candidate against the WWI war policies of his predecessor and Kennedy didn't actually win the presidency legally. Nixon was the more honorable of the two and let him keep his ill-gotten win.

Don, stepdan
count me in as one who doesn't get the pouting on the right.

Voting for the Republican nominee is a no-brainer.

Medved helped McCain win.
Medved's antipathy to Romney helped McCain win Florida. Now we'll most likely have two liberals running for President. I'll sit it out before I'll vote for a liberal of either party. Thanks Medved.

Ron Russell, Chicago, Ill.

You overestimate...
ronster...
you overestimate Medved. By your logic McCain should be banished to the ash heap of history considering what a pounding he has gotten from Rush, Hannity, Ingram, et al. Yet he gains.

Frankly, I wish more people were listening to Medved. As I said before, he offers the most fair-minded analysis of the candidates I have heard--and that includes compliments toward Romney.


IF SENATORS KNEW HOW TO LEAD....
THEY WOULD NOT BE SENATORS. IF THEY KNEW HOW TO RUN SOMETHING, THEY WOULD NOT BE SENATORS.


The Senators is a big mututal admiration society with several factions playing along at all times.


What makes a good Senator is what would make an AWFUL President.

Conservatives do not vote for Republican
just because they have an R behind their name.


It is not important to Conservtives that a Republican be in the Oval Office if that Republican is liberal.

Having a liberal lead the Republican Party is bad for Conservatives.

Approval rating...
According to Real Clear Politics, Congressional approval rating is currently at 22.5%. Compare that to President Bush's approval rating of 34.3%. So, the three top contenders right now - Hillary/Obama/McCain - are all failing miserably in their current positions and they think they can do better than President Bush?! They all are going to "change" Washington, right?!

People don't vote for senators because they don't trust them. Congressmen rank right up there with the mainstream media in the lack of trust department.

Remember, there have only been 197 delegates awarded in the Republican primaries so far and a candidate needs 1191 to win the nomination. This race is far from over - get out and vote!

Obviously
those who believe my party right or wrong will
vote for the candidate regardless. I'm not one of them, too many times we've had our faces pushed in the mud by the moderate/libs in the GOP. Why did I have to spend time and money, writing, phoning and faxing on my limited income to demand these ninnyhammers to do their sworn duty? With Juan (creepy grinning Jack) Hernandez on board as his advisor on immigration, I consider McCain a much a traitor as Benedict Arnold with less class and intellect.
Where does he get off, having an agent of the Mexican government on staff? Someone who is on record for not wanting the amnestied illegals to have any loyalty to the U.S. but to MEXICO? So
like Jorge BOOSH I question the patriotism of
Senor Juan McQuisling. I doubt I will ever get
a chance to confront him since I have a late primary so he won't need Town Halls to spew his
treasonous lies. But I hope those of you who
are able, to ask him again and again..if enough
conservatives confront him about Juan Hernandez
maybe his electability will be moot.

Humbly win, Proudly Lose
What is success?
Service and Equality!
Copyright © 2003 Phillip L. Hansen
- All rights reserved

SUCCESS NEEDS NO EXPLANATION, AND FAILURE LEAVES NO EXCUSE!"

The highest standard for success is found in spiritual and temporal equality achieved by serving one other! Whether rich or poor, when we serve with the right spirit and teach each others to do likewise, equality becomes a reality!

Mitt Romney won a battle that perhaps you have never fought, against arrogance, vanity and pride. In so doing he has serve Americans at a spiritual level, that some may never know of."

Kipling wrote of it in the renown poem "IF"

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you.
If you can trust your self when all men doubt you,
but make allowance for their doubting too.
If you bear to see the truths you have spoken,
Twisted by naves to make a trap for fools
Or watch the things you gave your life to,
Broken and build them up with worn our tools.
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve their turn long after they are gone.
and so hold on when there is nothing in you,
except the will that says hold on.
Kipling (The few lines that I recall.)

"I hope that we can pay the price that others paid, to keep this country free, while they themselves lie in the grave. Can we retain the hope and flame of freedoms gift, if we do not respond to hopes beckon call, that freedom is for all, for the strong to share their strength, and the wise to share their wisdom, and set the stage of freedom for all humanity: found in humble daily service and personal accountability."
By The Spirit of Truth

Keep up that whistling, Mike
You're not past the graveyard yet.

I was thinking the other night about the effect of endorsements. I can't think of anybody whose endorsement of a candidate would settle my vote. On the other hand, endorsements have often lowered my opinion of the endorser's intellect. Your endorsement of John McCain is a case in point.

Let's Hope So
Since three of the four possible contenders, and both of the two likeliest, are sitting U.S. Senators, let's all hope they are doomed to lose.

Juan McCain & Hillary Clinton..
Come to think of it, the leftist, biased NYTs, for one, did endorce two Senators, Juan and Hillary.. Personally, I think they would make the most sympatico running mates.. two double-talking, egotistical Opportunists

Why all this tsimmis about Jews?
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Italian-Americans (like me) tend to get along just fine with Jews.

Might be on account of how each ethnic group tends to have mothers who can send you on a guilt trip it takes Cook's Tours to return from.

Or the fact that we battle for 1st and 2nd place in the overall U.S. incidence of gallstones. (Mozarella on one side, sour cream on t'other.)

Or because we do the "muscle" part of Organized Crime, but we just can't hack the bookkeeping.

I suppose our relationship with the Jews is symbiotic. We break legs, they hide the money from the IRS.

Anyway, you've got to understand that Italians - after having done so much damage to each other over the generations - have very little in the way of intrinsic xenophobia.

Except, of course, for the Irish.

And they (unlike the Jews) have earned it.


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"Olson Johnson: All right, we'll give some land to the ni##ers and the chinks, but we DON'T WANT THE IRISH."

..-- Mel Brooks et al., *Blazing Saddles* (1974)

Pride and Prejudice
I will admit I could be wrong about Mr McDarcy on the gang of 14. He may truly have been rejecting the nuclear option, rather than the conservative judges who were the nominees. I am happy that the Hon. Janice Rogers Brown has taken the bench.

I could have also misjudged Mr. McDarcy about the surge. Perhaps he was not just second guessing, but meant it for the good of Iraq and the West.

Signed, Elizabeth Bennett

Always the Bridesmaid, never the bride
McCain and other senators running do not make good Presidents - they don't understand how to run a country.

Governors typically have had great opportunity to run "mini-countries" when they run their states; that's where experience counts.

Just because someone sat on the board of Microsoft doesn't mean he/she knows how to create an iPod.

McCain is NOT Electable
Don't be brainwashed. McCain doesn't need fundraising. Media gives it to him free. McCain lies about Romney 3 days before Florida primary with willing accomplices in the press. So what hypocrisy to deny regular Americans the right to produce attack ads within 30 days of an election (McCain Feingold)! So much for free speech!

Senator McCain cannot win General Election any more than Senator Dole in 1996. Even though all early media polls during Primary Season showed Dole winning handily, Clinton CRUSHED Dole in the General. Wasn't pretty.

No difference between Hilary and McCain. Both voted for War in Iraq, and both later attacked Rumsfeld. McCain is also against the Federal Marriage Protection Act to the U.S. Constitution, was one of only two Republicans who voted against Bush tax cuts (now he is for them!), and wants constitutional rights and trials given to unlawful enemy combatants! This man wouldn't know a strict constructionist judge from a terrorist!
http://www.politicaljunkyfood.blogspot.com/

McCain Not Electable
McCain doesn't need fundraising. Media gives it to him free. McCain lies about Romney 3 days before Florida primary with willing accomplices in the press. So what hypocrisy to deny regular Americans the right to produce attack ads within 30 days of an election (McCain Feingold)! So much for free speech!

Senator McCain cannot win General Election any more than Senator Dole in 1996. Even though all early media polls during Primary Season showed Dole winning handily, Clinton CRUSHED Dole in the General. Wasn't pretty.

No difference between Hilary and McCain. Both voted for War in Iraq, and both later attacked Rumsfeld. McCain is also against the Federal Marriage Protection Act to the U.S. Constitution, was one of only two Republicans who voted against Bush tax cuts (now he is for them!), and wants constitutional rights and trials given to unlawful enemy combatants! This man wouldn't know a strict constructionist judge from a terrorist!
http://www.politicaljunkyfood.blogspot.com

Quoting John McCain:
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"I’d love to be remembered as a Goldwater Republican. But I don’t pretend in any way to live up to the legacy of the man who literally changed the face of politics in America."



It won't be because he's a long-serving U.S. Senator that McCain's going to lose the election in November.

It's because he hasn't got a hound's chance in hell of living up to the principles of Barry Goldwater, and can't offer the electorate anything more exciting than the proverbial bucket of warm spit.

And he knows it.

--

Don't Forget James A. Garfield
A little FYI....A Huckabee President would not be the first commander-in-chief who had been a preacher. From 1852 to 1863, Garfield was a professor and preacher at Hiram college, a Christian college in my denomination (Disciples of Christ).

Jason - I'druther some GOP candidate...
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...were more qualified - especially fiscally - to emulate "Solid Gold Democrat" President Grover Cleveland than his Republican predecessor, James A. Garfield.

Cleveland was the man who managed to resolve the Republican-created Silver Panic of 1893, restoring the gold standard and repudiating the greenback and "free silver" inflationary policies of McKinley and the rest of that coterie of perfumed thieves and rapists in the Senate.

He was also a staunch opponent of women's suffrage.

This last position being one for which any honest married man will give him ample props.

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Some McCain for now
Don't have that gloomy view of the future of the GOP anymore, thanks to Michael Medved. I am sunny side up and looking for my candidate for 2012. But we all just realized that the tent is indeed big.

Lately I lay awake thinking, "Are there really Republicans who want to change the Bureau of Tabacco and Firearms to the Bureau of Marijuana and Tasers?.

It's just a glitch and maybe we republicans could get really rascally and raise up DINOs for them to deal with in their national elections.

Hm. Serves 'em right I say.

Glad Hands
And by the way, keep your Glad Hands to yourself. Not taking.

Advisory: Any play on the first names of any candidates is more than coincidental.

Vote for right, vote McCain
More to the point, although we cannot know exactly how things will play out, it's very easy to imagine a scenario where a McCain presidency would be very good for the country and for conservatism.

Don't think it sounds possible? Well, imagine this: John McCain selects Fred Thompson as his Vice-President and defeats Hillary Clinton in November. Although he has many negatives, McCain is a fiscal conservative and it's easy to see him balancing the budget, which would burnish the fiscal credentials of the Republican Party.

McCain would also hang in there in Iraq and insure that country is stable before we leave, which would help the American public regain confidence in the GOP on foreign policy again.

Next up is judges. John Paul Stevens is 87 years old. Ruth Bader Ginsburg is 74 and has had cancer. Does either of those two liberals make it through the next four years without retiring? That's no small issue, because the court is currently split with 4 conservatives, 4 liberals and a moderate. That means a number of important cases, including Roe v. Wade, will probably be decided once and for all by the Supreme Court appointments of the next President of the United States. May God forgive us if we condemn a million plus children a year to death by abortion because we're angry at John McCain


http://www.townhall.com/columnists/JohnHawkins/2008/02/01/w hy_youre_going_to_vote_for_john_mccain_in_november_and_like _it!

Huckabee gets love from the ladies
Very interesting take on the 1/31 GOP debate... Definitely worth a look (link below).

http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1155201977/bc tid1399221378

Mitt's Oath or Allegiance?
In the Mormon temples, a vow is made to put the Mormon Church first. Before 1990, there was even a death symbol involved about keeping the vow (which has since been removed). In no uncertain terms, the temple vow promises to use all talents to further the Mormon (Latter-day Saints) Church. Would Gov. Romney keep his vow to the church always to put it first or would he be loyal to the people who vote for him? Which oath of trust would he break? It is naive to think the agenda of the Mormon Church will be acceptable to all. Would he use his power to help religion get extra breaks and influence?Mormons also agree to keep silent about the “sacred” vows they make in the temple. This creates a problem for the voter. When push comes to shove, would a Mormon who attends the Mormon temple put his church first? If he doesn’t, he has broken a vow. Either way, one cannot trust where the allegiance will lie.


The Reagan Legacy
The True Reagan
I am sick and tired of the self-professed conservatives bashing anybody they deem not qualified to carry the conservative flag. Read the Reagan diaries and remember history. Reagan was bashed by you so called conservatives. Before his election and his first years in office Reagan was not considered conservative by the same people today who rip into candidates they say aren't worthy.

If there were talk radio and the internet before the 1980 election we might not have had Reagan to look back on as the standard of the conservative movement.

In thirty years we may well look back at a McCain presidency the same way we look back at Reagan's. We may also look back at the 2008 election as the election that so called conservatives handed the country to Billary or Barack which started the slide into the abyss.

Cut and Past Sarah AGAIN!!
so here you go AGAIN. . . . maybe we could build those highways that Mr. Huckabee is talking about so that the illegal hordes from Mexico can get here quicker for citizenship and compassionate big government conservatism. Maybe we can throw the mormons out of their homes again and make them find some place new, maybe even bring back that illinois extermination order, so that our new mexican "dual" citizens have some place to live. maybe we could burn down those temples again while we're at it.... i heard they wear white clothes inside.

McCain and Huckabee in 08!

Joe, you make some good points
all of which could applied to Mr. Romney as well. But I understand your larger point of hoping for the best . . . I think its going to be very hard to reconcile this go round because of Mr. McCain's utter contempt for conservatives and the religious rhetoric against Mr. Romney (which offends more than just mormons).

but its a nice speach both in tone and principle; kind of reminds me of Obama's unity speaches . . . which we all love, only problem is we only want unity when its on our own terms.

disagree and commit is a wonderful value, but very hard to practice in life. sigh.

Joe - are you kidding?
Joe says:
"McCain is a fiscal conservative and it's easy to see him balancing the budget."

He voted against tax cuts. Twice. And he recently admitted he knows nothing about economics. He's not drilling in Anwar and he wants to goose-step to the global warming socialist mafioso (read: World wide redistribution of our money). No,it's not easy to see him balancing a budget.

"McCain would also hang in there in Iraq and insure that country is stable before we leave, which would help the American public regain confidence in the GOP on foreign policy again."

Right. He'll stay in Iraq 100 years if needed he said, while defanging us (opposition to Guantanamo, waterboarding, Supporter of terrorist trials). And he'll leave the borders wide open and provide Amnestiy for the illegals. That's sure to make him, and our party really popular with the public.

"May God forgive us if we condemn a million plus children a year to death by abortion because we're angry at John McCain"

McCain has shown me NOTHING to indicate he will appoint constructionists, and has shown us EVERY reason he won't Didn't you catch the recent story that he is on record as saying Alito was "Too Conservative"? Haven't you heard of the "Gang of 14"? Please. It's this kind of tripe that makes your support of him all the more tragic. God forgive YOU for ignoring the warning signs and not backing a real conservative, Joe.

Why One Senator Shouldn't be President
MY FRIENDS!

Amazing, Republicans believe NY and LA Times are champions of the right... What next, endorsement of the UN.

Juan no friend of POWS. See McCain video, he didn't want to find pow's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBiti-ZbeO0&feature=related

Juan not a “straight-talker.” McCain video on McCain
http://therealmccain.com/2007/01/john_mccain_vs_john_mccain .php

Juan opposes first amendment. Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 (BCRA), popularly known as McCain-Feingold made it a "federal crime for any corporation to broadcast, shortly before an election, any communication that names a federal candidate for elected office and is targeted to the electorate." (Such as Pro-Life) (overturned in McCain v. Wisconsin Right to Life)

Juan opposes traditional marriage.

McCain voted AGAINST the Marriage Amendment 7-14-04 and again on 6-7-6

Juan no friend of the unborn.

McCain Voted AGAINST National Right to Life Issues
25% of the time in 2005-2006
18% of the time in 2003-2004 and
67% of the time in 2001-2002.
He missed the vote on the Brownback Amendment #2707, it would have prohibited funding of organizations that support coercive abortion. 9-6-7.

Juan anti-family.

McCain Voted AGAINST Family Research Council and American Family Association issues
38% of the time in 2006
34% of the time in 2005
33% of the time in 2004
0% of the time in 2003
25% of the time in 2002
33% of the time in 2001

Juan is in this for himself.

John McCain DID NOT VOTE on 56.1% or 249 SENATE votes during this past congressional session.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303 /votes/missed/

Meet John McCain – His record shows he votes against Conservatives values 56.1% of the time. What will he do with a Democrat house and Senate, move right or left? What do you think? Oh, did I mention McCain-Kennedy Amnesty Bill or the McCain-Lieberman Energy Tax bill.

A vote for Huckabee is a vote for McCain.


McShamnesty
McCAIN: WEAK ON SECURING THE BORDER & ENFORCING IMMIGRATION LAWS

2006- Sen. McCain voted against extending the border fence in the Sessions Amendment (2) to H.R. 5441.

2006- Sen. McCain voted to prevent the border fence from being built by voting in favor of the Managers Amendment to S. 2611, the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006.

2006- Sen. McCain voted to allow illegal aliens to receive Social Security by voting to table the Ensign Amendment to S. 2611, the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006.

2006- Sen. McCain voted against funding additional immigration investigators by voting against the Sessions Amendment (1) to H.R. 5441.

2005- Sen. McCain voted against providing funding for additional Border Patrol and ICE agents by voting against the Byrd Amendment to H.R. 1268.

McShamnesty
McCAIN: WEAK ON SECURING THE BORDER & ENFORCING IMMIGRATION LAWS

2006- Sen. McCain voted against extending the border fence in the Sessions Amendment (2) to H.R. 5441.

2006- Sen. McCain voted to prevent the border fence from being built by voting in favor of the Managers Amendment to S. 2611, the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006.

2006- Sen. McCain voted to allow illegal aliens to receive Social Security by voting to table the Ensign Amendment to S. 2611, the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006.

2006- Sen. McCain voted against funding additional immigration investigators by voting against the Sessions Amendment (1) to H.R. 5441.

2005- Sen. McCain voted against providing funding for additional Border Patrol and ICE agents by voting against the Byrd Amendment to H.R. 1268.

Senators
The fix is in.

McCain is a sure looser as is Mitt.

Obama, nice run making it look fair.

Paul throws the race to Hillary when he runs on 3rd party ticket.

Edwards is V.P.

Obama is new black leader finally getting rid of the old guard. Whew.

Fax Lady

In point of fact...
Benjamin Harrison was a former Senator at the time of his election in 1888, serving only one term in the Senate from Indiana (1881-87). JFK and Harding are the only two candidates in history to win the presidency as sitting U.S. senators.

Why take the chance?
Mitt is a conservative wanna be that will not get much support from true conservatives. Mike Huckabee has the most political executive experience than any of the other candidates. He is a consistent conservative. He is in the race to win and will not be dropping out due to lack of funds or support after Super Tuesday. He has proven elect ability after being re-elected twice as Gov. of Arkansas. He left with a majority approval rating because of term limits. I have many reasons for supporting Mike at GrannyT53.wordpress.com I'm voting Huckabee!

Yikes-Instapundit finds Romney lies
Geraghty the Indispensable has the dope on Romney's tale tales (and lies) on firearms:


Sometimes a candidate gets a little too much grief for misspeaking. The first time Mitt Romney said he was endorsed by the NRA in his gubernatorial run, he was wrong; the NRA rated him a "B," which is not bad. (His Democratic opponent was an "A," surprisingly. The NRA did not endorse in that race.) Apparently some NRA folk did some phone-banking for him, and Romney mistook that for an endorsement, and I guess I can see how that mistake could be made. The key is to note that he was told of his mistake back in December.

And then, in an interview a few days ago with Glenn Reynolds, the Instapundit, Romney claimed to be endorsed by the NRA again.

When it happens multiple times, one begins to wonder if Romney just wants to assert the endorsement and hopes that the person he's speaking to doesn't hear the correction.

Glenn comes across to me as a particularly fair-minded interviewer, but after Race42008 demonstrates a couple of different positions in a short span of time — telling Tim Russert he would sign the Assault Weapons Ban, telling Glenn and Helen that he would oppose it — Glenn concludes, "I'm beginning to question his sincerity."

That expression of doubt is all the more stinging because Glenn isn't a shout-and-pound-the-table kind of guy.

Team Romney's touting of their man's record on guns can be found here.


02/04 03:10 PM
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MTI1NmU2OGRj ZjFkZjZjYzZkMDgwOWFlOGUwMzNmOWE

Childish Whining Romulans
If it weren't for the black-helicopter level of paranoia on this thread, the petulant whining on this comment thread would have become annoying as quickly as listening to a fourteen year old gripe about having to do their homework before "getting on the computer."

The paranoia always saves threads like this. It adds a bit of levity to what otherwise would be a catalogue of redundant, inaccurate tyrades written by sorry, middle-aged Rom-ulans acting like spoiled children.

Their complete disregard for the security of our nation unless they get what they want arouses memories of single-issue liberals who are willing to sell out the country for their pet problem (gay rights, "ethnic-rights," union concerns, etc).

Perhaps one day they will storm the capitol with chants of "If I can't get my way then screw the U.S.A." It's catchy, it rhymes, and it pretty much sums up all of their arguments into a 10-word mantra.

I end this with a request to the Romney-worshipers. You continuously restate the same claims against Huck & McCain. You display over and over your undying devotion to Romney. And you do your darned best to convince everyone why letting the national defense of America go straight to hell is really the best thing for everyone. We've heard it all before. We get it. Now, instead of giving it to us one more time, could you just post the distilled essence of your tirades (as written above) "If I can't get my way, then screw the U.S.A."

Thank You.

Romney, the only true conservative.
Here is the guy who is calling McCain a fake conservative.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9IJUkYUbvI

The only reason that Romeny doesn't have a Senate record far to the left of McCain's is because he couldn't manage to get himself elected.

Of course, he could have been lying to get elected, but he wouldn't do that would he?

momlady, Don, stepdan, 29Victor
Each of you claims anyone not enthusiastic about McCain is a pouter, or Screw the USA brainless twit. Did it ever occur to any of you to read the REASONS why so many of us are upset about McCain?

From what I can see, you all want us to suck it up, and Vote for McCain because Hillary will:

* Legalize all Illegal Aliens
* Raise our taxes
* Nominate more liberal Judges
* Give in to the Global Warming extremists
* Stop anything pacifists might call torture.
* Close Gitmo
* Bring all the terrorists to the US, and provide them with Taxpayer funded Lawyers...

Oops, sorry, That's McCain's position!

Anyone who says we need to vote for McCain because he's strong on the War on terror, hasn't listened to his words.

I'll vote for Hillary before I'll vote for McCain. There's absolutely no difference on major DEMOCRAT policy initiatives, but if McCain wins, Republicans will be blamed when they bring us to our knees. (As they most surely will!)

Better the Democrats be blamed for Democrat policies, and that's not pouting, it's putting the blame where it belongs.

Also, Objecting to McCain is not a
sure sign that I will vote for Romney, or anyone else on the Right, either.

Frankly, I find them ALL objectionable, now that Thompson is out. (And, yes, I did vote for Thompson in NH, so I'm not just shooting my mouth off.)

So, please, do not assume that gripes about McCain are equal to praises for others. I am not there, on any of the remaining candidates, and am strongly leaning towards Hillary at this point, to give these lefties a good taste of what they're voting for. Once they've seen what a good Jimmy Carter clone can do to this country in 4 years, We'll get another Reagan in office, instead of this relentless middle ground RINO hoard.

Michael, you usually make sense ...
... even when we disagree, but your pro-McCain arguments have lost me, as have your pro-Senator arguments.

I think that Republican conservatives agree that that the U.S. Senate typifies what is wrong with our government as dottering has-beens like Robert Byrd and John Warner survive on seniority instead of performance. RINO's like Bob Dole can exist on ethanol giveaways, and "leadership" is defined by such stellar personalities at Trent Lott and Mitch McConnel.

Your arguments that the Senate is an acceptable incubator for Presidents is incredible. One can only imagine how bad 9-11 would have been like with a senatorial leader such as Algore or Trent Lott, as they scrambled to form committees to deflect accountability for their actions.

Michael, your credibility has steadily declined over the past several weeks. Perhaps you need a few months off ... say until December.

Correction re: Military Leadership
Michael wrote: "McCain’s military service clearly equips him with superior executive and national security experience to his lightly-credentialed Democratic rivals: the Arizona Senator served 22 years in active duty and, after his return from Vietnam, commanded the largest attack squadron in the Navy."

It was a training squadron, not an attack unit. McCain was assigned to the largest training squadron in the Navy. Its role was to oversee the training of carrier qualification for naval aviators. The large size of the squadron was simply because there were a lot pilots. He did it for one year, about long enough to figure out if anything needed change, and maybe start a process or two. No one expected him to make big changes or lead anyone through his initiative and courage. His contemporaries ran attack squadrons or commanded carriers and went on to become admirals. His job was maintenance and management, not leadership.

When it comes to leadership, Romney and Huckabee are the ONLY candidates with proven experience in leadership roles. None of the three senators qualify.

Senator McCain showed great courage as a POW. He also made televised statements to the international press that degraded the U.S. military and may have led to greater punishment for his fellow POW's. Faced with similar torture, others refused to talk. As a pilot he lost 5 more aircraft than 99+% of naval aviators. He only flew about 25 hours of combat. Most of us in VietNam had 300 to 500 hours in combat.

For that matter, what does being a senator have to do with leading an organization or a nation? Where's the risk that is essential to courageous leadership? After years of debating, committee meetings, and politicking, i.e., sitting on the sidelines while others lead companies, create jobs, and fuel the economy- just HOW DID SENATORS McCain, Clinton, or Obama learn and practice leadership?

Medved thanks for explaining this
This original post is really important.

I was wondering what the deal was with Senators.

The JFK and Navy connection is interesting to.

Giving McCain all the credit?
The beginning of the end of the GOP began with Bush Jr---increases in social spending, push for amnesty, etc. All McCain will do is follow is follow the previous leader on these issues.

Zero surprises once McCain is prez
Both Pro and Anti MCainites know exactly what Mccain will bring to the table as prez. Expect no changes in McCain, since after all, McCain is a man of principles!
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