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Tuesday, January 08, 2008
Michael Medved :: Townhall.com Columnist
Will the GOP Contenders Break Their Suicide Pact?
by Michael Medved
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Whatever the final results of Tuesday’s New Hampshire Primary, the Republican Party endured four damaging days in the run-up to that climactic confrontation.

The two debates over the weekend (Saturday night on ABC TV, then Sunday evening on Fox News) showed our candidates at their worst and portrayed the party leadership as petty, angry, egotistical and out of touch. The dueling evaluations of who “won” and who “lost” the interchanges are beside the point – though, for the record, it seemed to me that Fred Thompson and particularly Rudy Giuliani managed to escape with less embarrassment and fewer wounds than Romney, Huckabee and McCain.

The problem wasn’t the performance of one candidate, but the negative and niggling tone of all of them – especially in contrast to their Democratic rivals. A few more weeks of this nit-picking, negative nonsense and we will turn a difficult general election campaign into an impossible one.

Following the New Hampshire tally, it’s crucial for the surviving GOP frontrunners to make two major changes in their collective approach: first, to begin focusing on the future rather than the past and, second, to stress their major, overwhelming areas of agreement rather than obsessing over their relatively trivial disagreements.

LOOK TO THE FUTURE, NOT THE PAST

The twin GOP debates featured fiery, extended exchanges over picayune details of little or no concern to the average voter. Did Mitt Romney really raise taxes in Massachusetts or did he just raise $240 million in fees? Did Mike Huckabee’s article that used a phrase citing the Bush administration’s “arrogant bunker mentality” indicate he wanted more negotiations or, as he now insists, more troops to do a more aggressive job? Did Mitt Romney read the article before he commented on it – or afterward? Did John McCain favor “amnesty” per se or merely “a form of amnesty” (as Mitt Romney now qualifies his attack)? Did Romney’s attack ads accuse McCain of amnesty, or not? Did Rudy make New York a full “sanctuary city” fourteen years ago or merely make accommodations for humanitarian reasons, like emergency medical care or reporting crimes? Did McCain vote against the Bush tax cuts because he loves high taxes (even though he’s never voted to raise taxes in 25 years in Congress) or because he insisted on linking cuts in taxes with cuts in spending?

These quibbles make all our candidates look like losers, who don’t understand that normal Americans don’t relish this childish game of “gotcha.” Voters worry about the high cost of gas, the congestion on the way to work, the crushing cost and insecure status of their health insurance, the punishing bills for their kids’ college education and, above all, a dollar that’s lost a huge chunk of its value and an economy that could slide into recession.

In this context, who cares if Mitt Romney once favored a “woman’s right to choose” or if Mike Huckabee backed a long-ago discarded plan to make some Arkansas illegals eligible for in-state tuition? The Mittster is now staunchly pro-life and the Huck is vying for the Minuteman vote with his “send-‘em-home-in-four- months” rhetoric. Every major politician has switched positions to suit changing circumstances, so it’s vastly preferable to compare plans for the future rather than rehashing dead and irrelevant arguments from the past.

When Ronald Reagan won the presidency in 1980, none of his opponents attempted to knee-cap his campaign by pointing out that he’d passed major tax increases as Governor of California and signed his state’s first legalized abortion bill. Reagan, and other GOP leaders of his era (including Fred Thompson’s mentor and Reagan’s one-time rival and later chief-of-staff, Howard Baker) understood that you connect with the voter by talking about what you want to do in the years ahead, not by dwelling on arcane details of what the other guy has allegedly done ten years ago.

Mitt Romney’s saturation attack ads (played every few minutes in Iowa and now in New Hampshire) have not only poisoned the campaign with mischaracterizations of the records of his opponents, but also set the agenda for horribly unenlightening and awkward debates that harmed all the candidates, very much including Romney himself. Instead of explaining his positive plans to deal with the very real problem of more than 12 million illegal immigrants living and working in this country, Romney and his rivals devoted lavish time to finicky finagling about the details of McCain’s former plan that already failed in the Senate.

Did anyone notice that in their debate on the same night as the Republicans, the Democrats spent no time at all discussing immigration? And the TV audience for that debate hardly seemed to mind: only 14% of viewers (according to an ABC poll) wished they had heard more from the Dems on immigration.

Using precious TV time to savage the record of your rivals represents an egregious waste and a brain-dead distraction at this moment of decision. Huckabee, McCain and most especially Romney, all seemed to invest more energy in attempting to provoke opposition to the other guys than in trying build support for themselves. Unfortunately, too many voices on talk radio (including some of the loudest voices in the country) have echoed this negative emphasis. Congratulations: we’ve now heard innumerable persuasive reasons to vote against Giuliani, McCain, Romney, Huckabee and Thompson.

All political junkies can recite the litany as well as I can: Rudy’s too moderate on social issues and his personal life is a sordid mess; McCain is too old and too unpredictable and he pushed through campaign finance reform; Romney’s a flip-flopper on abortion, gays, guns, taxes, immigration and everything else, and he’ll say anything to pander to an audience; Thompson’s too lethargic, a former lobbyist for Planned Parenthood, and he’s got a flashy trophy wife.

The sad part of this uncomfortable wallowing in shortcomings and scandals is that most of the candidates (especially Giuliani and Thompson, in fact) have tried to get attention for their positive proposals for conservative reform. How many observers can recall Rudy’s thoughtfully articulated “Twelve Commitments” or, for that matter, Thompson’s substantive and courageous recommendations for tax simplification and social security reform?

After New Hampshire, it’s imperative to turn our attention to what the candidates plan to do if they’re elected, rather than dwelling endlessly and annoyingly on what they’ve done (or haven’t done) in the past. Rather than arguing about who’s “most conservative,” how about debating who’s got the right ideas for dealing with the problems we face today?

If we don’t shift the conversation in that direction, we’ll be positioned for our nominee (whoever it happens to be) to lose in a landslide in November.

EMPHASIZING SHARED PRIORITIES

Whoever survives the New Hampshire winnowing (and there’s a real chance that all of the big five – Romney, McCain, Huckabee, Giuliani and Thompson – will continue their campaigns at least through Michigan, South Carolina, Nevada and Florida in the month of January), one of the front-runners ought to begin emphasizing agreement, rather than disagreement, with the other contenders.

On all the crucial issues, the Republicans easily could find common ground:

- All of them (of course excluding The Mad Doctor, Ron Paul) want to continue our offensive against Jihadism and to commit the resources necessary for a successful outcome in a stable Iraq. They all favor a strong expansion of our military.

- All of them (very much including John McCain) will fight to preserve the Bush tax cuts that have brought six years of economic growth and want to institute a vastly less burdensome and complex tax system.

- All of them want to complete the promised border fence, with greatly enhanced resources and personnel to block illegal immigration, while tightening workplace enforcement through an enhanced system of national ID’s. All of them also favor the deportation, as quickly as possible, of more than two million people with outstanding warrants for their apprehension.

- All of them want to make health insurance more affordable, available and secure by using free market means and enhanced free choice, not government funded give-aways or federal mandates.

- All of them want to sharply reduce abortions, and have pledged to veto any federal funding for abortion (yes, even Giuliani made that pledge – on my show). They’ve also all promised to appoint strict constructionist judges in the tradition of Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Roberts.

- They all want to push the U.S. toward energy independence, and back the rapid development of nuclear power and other alternatives for that purpose, while avoiding hysterical over-reaction to environmental threats that would bring government intrusion into private life.

The listing of areas of agreement could continue to innumerable other issues; while the GOP candidates may differ on means and plans, they generally agree on goals and values.

Why not renew and reinvigorate the campaign by acknowledging, and even stating, those broad areas of agreement? That could help to rally Republicans on which candidate offers the best new program for achieving those goals, rather than hammering away over which guy’s record serves these principles worst.

Take taxes, for instance: Mike Huckabee backs the radical reform known as the “fair tax.” Fred Thompson supports his own radical restructuring program, involving the elimination of numerous loop-holes and reducing the number of total tax brackets to a much “flatter” two (or three). Instead of going back to argue over an Arkansas tax dispute of 1997, or a Fred Thompson committee vote from 1999, why not explain these two plans and debate their virtues?

Everybody wants to halt illegal immigration into the United States. Rather than battling over which past plans constituted “amnesty” (which all candidates vociferously decry) why not look at the various proposed reforms and figure out which ones might stand the best chance of making a meaningful change?

The truth is that reminding voters of the sweeping agreements among the candidates would make all of them look good; the insults and barbs and dueling negative ads make all of them look bad, and angry, and desperate.

Barack Obama has received phenomenally positive response for his insistence that “this country isn’t made up of red states and blue states; we’re the United States of America.” He has also drawn nearly universal commendation for his endless invocation of the words “hope” and “change.” If Republicans allow Obama and his fellow Democrats to claim those words as their exclusive possession, we’ll experience crushing, shattering defeat in November.

Part of the “hope” that Obama preaches involves an end to bickering, to bitter partisanship, to “higher ground” and “common ground.” Cynics rightly observe that Democrats only favor such common ground when it comes in their own terms, but there’s no doubt that the Illinois Senator has touched a sensitive and responsive chord.

While the leading Democrat pleads for an end to mean-spirited attacks and the politics of fear, it’s an obvious disaster --- a suicidal disaster, in fact – if the Republican candidates continue to assault one another with precisely that meanness, pettiness and bad temper that the American people wholeheartedly have come to despise.

As another charismatic Democrat (JFK) once pointedly reminded us: “We can do better.”

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GOP -- Going On Politics
... and not one mention of Dr. Ron Paul. The Democrat party is fighting the war of the individuals trying to promote themselves, too. What we need is some big ideas like were promoted in 1994, especially in the face of recession or worse, and with the possibility of an on-going reaction to Islamofascism.

Duh! Of Course Dems not talk immigration
Who do you think McCain was in bed with on this shamnesty that was shut down by True American Patriots.

We talk issues and policies and steps. Dems talk about feelings, and change. I prefer substance over glitz thank you.

Great Piece
They all fight each other over who is less liberal. Then laugh at Paul for talking about the Constitution.
Something we may need to think about.
We need to good GOP leader that convey values, not just for the white house but to get some Congressional seats.
If Romney is the guy to tow the line. He is doing it selfishly, they all are.

Ron Paul: A Man Among Boys?
Ron Paul: A Man Among Boys at ABC Debate

A tax cut is not a tax cut unlesss you cut spending to pay for it!

NC-At the ABC Debate on Saturday night, the moderator asked the Republicans about how they would address an issue truly affecting nearly every American almost daily–rising gas prices.

The other candidates talked about things like alternative fuels, getting us off the dependence on foreign oil, and increasing investment in technology. They also “addressed” the issue of gas prices by talking about global warming and greenhouse gases, how the oil companies were paying more to protect themselves in lawsuits than on research, and how high gas prices helped fund terrorists. I’m sorry, but what in Obama does this have to do with actually fixing the problem of surging gas prices?

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/ron-paul-a-man-amo ng-boys-at-abc-debate


Of course they don't talk about
Fred's tax plan, or even that massive tax increase misnamed the "fair tax".

The media thrives on confrontatyion and they love it when the candidates attack each other. Just remember the NBC reporter trying to get Fred to attack Romney for the drop out lie bing spread by Romney's staff.

The media first wants controversy, then it wants a liberal. Their ideal candidate is Obama runing against Rudy, McCain, or Huckleberry, all liberals.

Sgt Relic
You said it all.

Check my blog for two gut-punches into the empty-suited fumblewit from the People's Republik of Sh*tcago.

http://noliberalspin.townhall.com/

Medved
is pro-amnesty. Of course he wants us to forget about these past positions of HIS choices (notice they are all the worst on illegal immigration.)

Michael, Best Article Of the Year!!
Folks, Michael really hit the nail on the head with this one. Yes, I'm a big Mike Huckabee supporter because I like his ideas so much. But, let's talk turkey here.

This bickering between the candidates has got to stop! Senator Obama put it so well when he talked about the dump truck backing up with another load of drit from Hillary - beep - beep -beep. Hand it to Sen. Obama; he's good! And the fact he went from 10 points behind to 10 points ahead speaks volumes.

The massive piles of dirt, especially by Mitt are building a huge dam between us and independent voters all over the country. Our party is starting to look like a bunch of teenage kids in a lunch room food fight. We are not going to win the hearts of independents by destroying each other. Our whole party is getting the tag of being mean spirited again.

I don't want any more, and I do mean any more debates where one candidate trashes another over a decision made 10 to 15 years ago. I want to here ideas for the future.

If you can't sell your plan for the future without trashing a fellow candidate I simply don't want to hear what you have to say.

What Else Is There?
In baseball, for example, a team tries to knock it out of the park or strike out the opposing players. In politics, it is the mouth that roars. In Democrat politics, it is who will give the most "free" health care, feed the poverty, save the children, boost the earnings of academia and its followers, etc. LBJ politics Medved. As to the Republican candidates, I feel little of absolute or near- conservatism from any of them. If they are saying it now it is because they want my vote. Their pasts do not reflect it. I want to hear all of the dirt that is available for all of the candidates. Tell me what they really stand for and particularly what they have done in the past to earn my vote. Kissy, kissy -- no thanks. This is not a tea party. It is fighting for the hope that one of them will get this country back on track and out of the 60s and 70s mode. And do not foist upon us another tax code change in the name of a tax cut -- eliminate 50% of the US government and totally eliminate any law that requires any state to do anything. That'll be a tax cut.

GOP...Suicide Pact
Calling Ron Paul names like "The Mad Doctor" is demeaning, Mr. Medved. I usually hold you in high regard, but this kind of mud-slinging is beneath you.

Sophia C. Schwarz

I sometimes
think Fred may be the only adult in the entire process. I especially enjoyed how he made Charlie Gibson look foolish when he asked (paraphrase) how the fedgov could harness the profits of the oil companies. Fred answered (paraphrase)" You want to WHAT? Why would we do that?"

The Sinister Minister versus Bain & Co
What I find so interesting is how Michael notes that the whole conservative talk radio world echoes Romney's talking points.

This is really an interesting election on the Republican side.

Is Romney's Bain & Co controlling the talk shows? Aren't they all broadcast by Clear Channel, owned by Romney's Bain & Co.

It's like the Clintons except this time it's happening on the Republican side. Even FOX seems to be trying to manipulate the election.

So here we have Mike Huckabee against the entire Republican political, financial and broadcast Goliaths.

Mike represents the mid-American conservative.
It would take a true Miracle for Huckabee to this entire Philistine Army.

They aren't going to stop the attacks, Michael. Any time the people start to push Huckabee into the lead, the Establishment will bring out more guns. Notice how FOX has just invited the Heritage Foundation to Heckle Huck on a daily basis?

It's clear the Establishment does not want us at the table.

We are trying to change that, but what an uphill climb! Go Miracle Mike!

grow up micheal - more than pollyanna
gotta grow up micheal.

there are differences between the candidates and for a lot of the voters, important ones.

if you are heavily pro-life and huckabee doesn't distinguish himself as a strong pro-lifer versus the pro abortion rudy, you're not doing yourself any favors.

not everyone has the time or the interest to research each of the candidates in great detail. they rely on the candidates to make those distinctions for them.

we can't be that concerned about who is mean or who's feelings are hurt. we aren't talking about 3rd grade where children are put in the corner for being mean. we are talking about grown-ups.

if your feelings are hurt, gotta find another profession.

Oslama
Before its too late - we better get behind the only guy who can win in november against oslama. All this dreaming about Hunter and Fred - give it up already. Mitt must win.


I Agree With Medved
Accept for his immediate dismissal of the FairTax, I at first thought Romney was an attractive candidate. Then he went negative against his contenders, particularly Huckabee, and that soured his appeal for me. I have also seen clips where there is graph on the screen that shows the viewers' emotional response to the debate; when the discussion gets into the negative zone, the graph dips. My wife, who was a big Bill Clinton fan (but a Bush I fan back in the day), made the same observation.

I personally would like to hear from the candidates what they would like to get done and how they intend to do it given the opportunity. The only time I've noticed anyone coming close to that is when Huckabee described how the FairTax is intended to work.

Perhaps the best line in the article is: "Every major politician has switched positions to suit changing circumstances, so it’s vastly preferable to compare plans for the future rather than rehashing dead and irrelevant arguments from the past." He backs that up by pointing out the Reagan as governor approved tax increases and abortions. Clearly, policy is situational.

Let's get an infusion of the "vision thing" that baffled Bush I, which in turn helped Clinton and Perot.

Correction
First word of previous post should be "Except" not "Accept."

Excuse Me!
Their trivial disagreements?! McCain wants to amnesty 15 million new Democrats. Thompson wants to put them out of work and force them to self deport. That is not a trivial difference.

McCain wants to raise taxes. Thompson wants to cut spending.

McCain has shown his gross ignorance of climate science and bought into carbon taxing us into recession. Thompson sees the hard science that says a one degree change in 100 years is nothing to be alarmed about.

America will be changed dramatically and permenantly by this election. Medved is part of the problem, not the solution.

Medved logic
is amazing. But the biggest thing he needs to acknowledge is the short attention span of America.

Medved says if this doesn't stop in two weeks the GOP is in trouble. Are you kidding? In two weeks most people won't remember there was a primary in NH, let alone a debate/forum.

I'm not sure how voters will make their decision if all the candidates do is join arms and only discuss all the areas they agree on. This is a Republican primary, Michael.

You've got to hand it to Mr. Medved - at least he is creative.

Bring it on!
I welcome discussions of each others' records. That's why we have primary races, IMO. Did you expect them to sit around holding hands singing "Kum-ba-ya?" A candidate's record is a good indicator of what (s)he would do in a given situation, where (s)he stands on issues where the rubber meets the road, & what interests are likely to influence him/her, when he/she wasn't running for President.

Notice that the reference point of all these "attacks" is where the respective candidates fall with respect to conservatism & conservative principles. That (as I keep pointing out) tells you something about what the GOP & the hopefuls believe about the base, at least.

Too bad this perception doesn't seem to inspire them to actually walk the walk in any substantive way. These little instances of turning over new leaves seem just a bit too convenient & disingenuous. Nothing will stop the winner from morphing right back into the RINO he had been. The conservative base is getting sick of being fooled & told to suck it up because they can't have anything better. We've learned that "settling for" just gets us more of the same.

McCain, for obvious reasons, does not deserve further consideration. He is artificially inflated by the pop media & some anticonservatives just looking to derail any possible conservative victory. Huck seems like an attempt to fool naive Christians; the alleged distinction between social & fiscal conservatism is essentially bogus anyway. Guiliani & Romney seem like convenient late converts to conservatism who will backslide in a heartbeat once nominated.

The pop media will spotlight & talk up those they like. The ones they really dislike and fear are not talked about at all if they can help it. Who falls into that category?

Medved your part of the Problem!
I like Medved, but honestly, how can he continue to say that these candidates negativity is so egregious when he daily calls Dr. Paul names and calles Romney A "LIAR!" and other very negative pejoratives. This is primary season and the campaigning is much different here. You need to point out your differences. Romney's ads are not "negative". They don't assassinate the character as Huckabee and McCain and Medved have done with Romney. Think about it Medved's Three hours a day nationally calling Romney dispicable and a liar and deceitful it more negative than a 30 second spot that only runs in NH. Even if it ran say 150 times a day (maybe it seems more than that).

Wait a minute
So, we shouldn't "fight it out in the primaries", as we have been saying since 2006?

Instead we should buy into whoever has the best vague promises, get disappointed with our choice, and then have half the party sit out 2008 as well?

Sorry, but the primaries are precisely the place for beating up one another, examining past records, and generally being nasty to one another. That is the only way we can find which candidate won't disappoint later on.

Once that is done, THEN we close ranks and support our pick in the primaries.

Sorry, but the primaries are not the time for niceties, false smiles, pretend amity, and nebulous platitudes about change -- well, unless you are a democrat.

Try Something Novel This Year
Vote your own VALUES!!!

The process is meant to distribute delegates based on percentages of votes.
To vote for a "frontrunner" because he is the presumptive victor is not only wrong it also serves to silence your voice and, discard your concerns at the convention.

Too many people are allowing the media to dictate the process.
Not inviting candidates to debates or forums and moderators who admittedly focus only on the media & poll created frontrunners during debates is extremely harmful to the system...

Who are THEY to tell US what we should think and do??

W/O=

No Surrender - No Compromise
Vote your own VALUES!!!

The process is meant to distribute delegates based on percentages of votes.
To vote for a "frontrunner" because he is the presumptive victor is not only wrong it also serves to silence your voice and, discard your concerns at the convention.

Too many people are allowing the media to dictate the process.
Not inviting candidates to debates or forums and moderators who admittedly focus only on the media & poll created frontrunners during debates is extremely harmful to the system...

Who are THEY to tell US what we should think and do??

Fred Thompson '08

W/O=

Ok Michael, I've Got to Hand it To You
I rarely read your full articles and not get distrubed at what I see as a one-sided bashing of people who don't agree with you. It has even gotten to the point that I can only listen in to your radio show for about five minutes every hour, before you start treating your callers as dimwits, sluggards, and fantasists who should be wearing tin foil hats.

However, this article you've written hits several nails on the head, squarely, and I do appreciate it. Unfortunately, the only two GOP contenders that I really disagree with are Huck and Mac, the rest I would vote for over the Dems, any day.

Please have the President (your buddy) explain to the US citizens why he sees it is necessary for the inclusion of millions of illegals into the country, and the massive extension of supra-national economic ties with Canada and Mexico. He has never done that. If he could make a good case for why we should do this, and allay the suspicions of us who believe he really doesn't care and will do it whatever the citizens believe, then it would be good for America.

Otherwise the disaffection of the GOP center and right will not vote in the 2008 election with the numbers needed to win.

Medved is the leader of the Suicide Pact
Medved shoved the liberal Huckabee on the GOP for the past two months and now supports the traitor McCain.

Neither of these men can lead this party nor this country.

By the way, Medved, McCain is the nastiest man in the race and you now it.



When man, when?!?!
Will you get it through that dense skull of yours Medved that true conservatives DON'T WANT GOV'T IN OUR LIVES, PERIOD. The solution to our problems is for gov't to get the hell out of our wallets, our businesses, our families, our homes, our diets, our healthcare, our sexlives, and be invisible as intended. You're a SOCIALIST Medved, please just admit that you believe that gov't has the answer to our problems and then we can divide this party and country accordingly. I'M NOT PAYING FOR IT JERK. Understand that? Jeez.

How True It Is That We Are
Characterized By Our Habits.

We see the world and the world reflects who we are. Furthermore, how we judge or condemn others, is just a reflection of our own nature.

Mitt Romney's success now becomes his downfall, because most assume that, you cannot be rich if you do not cheat, because they think the majority do cheat.

A drinker expects all his or her friends to drink, or they cannot trust them, while in fact in that state you will agree, they are even less trustworthy. Some paradox.

Therefore, "The ugliness we see in others is only a reflection of our own nature."

So the writers that bash a persons character and integrity, really are exposing their own weakness and folly. Such attacks are generally not anything objective that could be proven one way or other, and that is why this can cheat us out of our best choice, but, most people fall for it anyway, because of fear. Fear means you lost, because you did not know enough, not to doubt.

Pointing out the failure of candidates on the issues, or their successful, achievements, and objective accomplishments, in public and private life is self-evident and can be verified.
Personal attacks cannot, and should send out a strong warning, of the weakness in that accuser.

When we realize this, we will criticize less, as well as to realize that the ugliness we see in an other is the very ugliness we need to recognize and overcome.

Take a better look at Mitt Romney. You will not, if anytime at all, find him lowering himself to name calling, or bashing any opponents character. He points out the weakness and erroneous position on the issues. You will see him in a new light, and that truth with steer you to your best choice. Good Luck!

Polls can only be as honest as the pollsters
Mormons? http://e-spirituality.townhall.com/g/0e9dda84-8992-42e6-a4 d8-e0035314e3a5

PICK PICK
I sent an e-mail to RNC saying the exact same thing Michael. We have a very impressive group of candidateswho could make up Pres, VP, and cabinet. Unfortunatley they let the press run their campaigns.

sgt relic is right

fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. And if anyone believes McCain, they have no brain. The man is a liberal fool. The fact that he was a POW does NOT qualify him for the POTUS. The EGREGIOUS SHENANIGANS he has pulled in the senate mean I will NEVER vote for him under ANY circumstance. In my book he is the worst Rep. candidate we have.

The debates
Maybe the debate participants seem to be petty and out of touch because that is what the "front runners" are - petty and out of touch. The only principled, conservative in this race, Duncan Hunter, was singled out to be excluded from the debates. The amnesty loving Medved couldn't even bring himself to mention Hunter's name.

By the way, I got a laugh out of the Huckabee supporters calling for civility and looking to the future. If my candidate had 14 ethics complaints against him I probably wouldn't want to talk about the past either. He even did a Clinton and stole furniture from the governor's mansion on his way out the door.

http://www.gohunter08.com

GOP Suicide
I wish we could email this article to all the candidates, especially Romney, and their managers and volunteers.With a huge age and charisma disadvantage, this pettiness just adds to the perception that the GOP is competely out of step with the average American.

I spoke to a 29 year old Democrat yesterday, and he compared the first ABC, GOP debate to a high school lunch room discussion. He doesn't like spending, unions nor welfare. He's ambivalent about abortion, but believes that just as we have the option of public schools, having an option for cheaper, public health care is not such a bad thing. He could be a good target for GOP Presidential hopefuls, given his moderate stance, but do you think he would even consider looking at these guys after this debate? And when I asked him why Obama, he said that as long as he doesn't go too much to the left he can live with it.

The GOP has to look beyond their narrow party base. Going into the nominations three months back, it seemed that Giuliani and McCain came closest to reaching out to the vast majority of Americans. Now it seems that Obama has filled that slot, even without security credentials or any significant governing experience.

It would be a pity to lose this election when you have two outstanding heroic gentlemen in war hero and bi partisan McCain, and the man who turned around ungovernable New York,Giulani.

Poach


Medveds Next Book....?
Left Turns.

Medved Wrong Again
This column's message is why I don't listen to Michael Medved. The Republican party's success depends on maintaining a coalition of conservative voters. The two candidates Medved apparently favors, Huckabee and McCain, have done more to drive that coalition apart than any other candidate. As a consequence, his whole point is incorrect.

Huckabee, who has a miserable record as a conservative, rose to prominence based on religious bigotry. His appeal to his evangelical base is a transparent attempt to divert attention from his real record. Unfortunately, an appeal to one segment comes at the cost of the exclusion of others. Remember, his nastiness was not just directed against Mormons, he has affilitated himself with anti-Catholic forces as well. If he were elected, he would represent the exclusive religious views of his evangelical base and no one else.

One would have to look long and far to find a Repubilcan who has done more to harm the Republican party than John McCain. His assault on free speech with campaign finance reform, his attempts to undermine the Republican majority's efforts to nominate conservative judges to federal courts, his vigorous support of anmesty proposals for illegal immigrants, even his involvement in the Keating scandal, should all disqualify him as a presidential candidate. His only notable characteristics seem to be a knack for anger, and, as George Will has suggested, a gift for hatred.

The media could not be happier with the direction the campaign has taken. Indeed, they have obviously attempted to elevate these unelectable Republican candidates to prominence, knowing their liabilities will prevent their success in the general election against the Democrats.

Primary
This is how we pick our leader. The fact that the race is now two years running and this leaves the talking trypes more time to rattle on over each candidate, excluding Duncan Hunter all the while. I feel he is too honorable a person and that is why he gets no coverage. When the winner is chosen, then we can look to the future. Till then I want to know just what I am going to get when we have a repub.choice.

Hypocrite
Medved you say you want all the canidates to hug each other and just get along. You chastise them for calling each other names and then you turn around and call Ron Paul the (mad doctor). You must believe in the old saying "Do as I say and not as I do".

Survival of the Conservative
Dear Medved:

If you are worried about the Democrats, you should be. They are cleaning our clock right now (I should say your clock since I'm an Independent).

Like many others, I've jumped on the fiscally-conservative Paul bandwagen. I believe he could destroy any Dem in the general if he could somehow lose the Mad Doctor connotation and miraculously win the nomination.

But if that is not possible, at least Paul is talking about smaller government and less spending. All the other guys are caught up in the "government can solve our problems" syndrome to some degree. Big mistake for a "conservative" party as is the insistence to occupy and democratize the Middle East. Nice idea in principle but the trillion bucks is just a bit much even though we can print up the money at will.

Kim
There is an important distinction. Medved is not running for office.

Medved is consistant
Medved went out of his way to defend Gulliani when he was in the lead. He was right there supporting Romney when his star was rising. He regularly says third parties are losers so they should not exist and now is backing the current leaders in the race. He backs Bush because he won no matter the policy or lack of conservative direction. Medved just wants to be on the winning team no matter the policy. At least he is consistent. Wonder when he will join the Obama movement if Obama continues to rise in popularity.

Oh my gosh ...
How classic is it for someone to accuse Mitt for going after Huckabee and McCain in the debates on Sunday. This is after Huckabee, McCain, Rudy, and even Fred piled on Romney will PERSONAL insults on Saturday. Not policy issues - PERSONAL insults.

Did you write an article about that on Saturday night?

Then comes Sunday and Romney goes on the attack. He makes Huckabee look ill-prepared (according the focus group of undecided voters) and McCain look weak and tired. Now you want a truce!

I do wish that the election would stay away from personal insults. However, contrasting positions is appropriate. Nobody should get a free pass on their voting records.

Whos to blame?
You mention the negative attack ads Mitt Romney has put out. He obviously has really annoyed his opponents, even so far as getting Huckabee and McCain to work together against him.

Look at it, who is the one they all fight with. Besides Rudy Vs Paul or McCain Vs Paul on the war,(which Dr. Paul is obviously far more sensible then Rudy how about the Mad Mayor). All the fighting is McCain Vs Romney, Huckabee Vs Romney, Rudy Vs Romney.

John McCain has had some very nice discussions over differences with Huckabee Thompson and Rudy, even with Paul they were both respectful. When McCain and Huckabee debated Paul over the war, it wasn't personal, it was issue based, and it made the Republican party better.

Romney Vs All is personal, hes attacking them over their past when hes changed his own past. Paul and the rest debated CURRENT issues, that are important to the hear and now. Romney tries to drag up peoples old votes because hes got so many skeletons in his closet. He needs to make others look worse so he looks acceptable.

The best thing for the Republican party right now is if Romney dropped out. Then McCain, Huckabee, Guliani, Thompson, Paul and Hunter could discuss where they differ today, and not have some jerk millionaire covering the state in negative campaign adds. Talk about doing the Democrats job for them. how much less money will the dems need to spend in NH and Iowa come November.

BJsGuess is right
Medved is blurring our memory with "all the candidates were juvenile on Saturday"...when in fact everyone except Romney (and Paul, actually, to give him credit) was acting childish.

And then on Sunday Romney "goes after" poor lil' McHuckabee.

As has been pointed out already, Medved is being extremely hypocritical. He wants the GOP to stop bickering and "unite", yet he supports two of the most divisive candidates in the race. As has also been pointed out, Medved was Romney Supporter #1 back in the summer, and cheered Rudy as well. Then he found a new way to be different and decided he was going to promote Huckabee. Fine. But now he trashed Romney and those who support Romney, yet he calls for "unity".

At least Hugh Hewitt is honest about his bias (and honestly, very biased).

Jim Poulsen
I pray that reporters and those attending the primaries in every state push Mccain and the others on their immigration plans. McCain is dishonest about his plans and hides it with the silly"I do not want to tell an illegal her son has died in Iraq" why do people allow that statement to just hang there? In wars people die what does that have to do with immigration? Senators like McCain has hidden from the immigration battle during his entire Senatorial career and allowing the fiasco to continue knowing the eventual outcome-that someday this would have to be faced. Mccain has very little to boast of during his Senatorial career McCain- Feinberg, immigration, what has he down that he should be proud, nothing in my mind and you, as a columnist, should not let him or any other off the hook for their miserable performance over the years. Mc Cain, Clinton,Thompson, Edwards, all look so behind the times and should be pushed to the sideline, which they will never give up voluntarily. Please carry the ball for us,thank you.

Annie Mation
Those twelve votes will be sorely missed.


Is the Republican Party For Sale?
Hugh argued that whoever wins the democratic nomination will have tons of money (soros etc) so we need Mitt's Money to ensure we remain competitive. Considering Mitt's new born-again conservative positions, all a person has to do to become a republican party establishment candidate is have enough money and change his or her positions to suit the establishment's conservative standard and voila! they are the nominee to beat. The Republican party credibility is at stake, if we begin by annointing a nominee based on the going price then work backwards to convince the base to vote for the annointed nominee - we as a party have lost our soul and sold out to the highest bidder. This primary should have been about our principles as a party and what distinguishes us from democrats, then proceeded to listen to all candidates and find a good pair who can win in November - then begin fund raising for them to meet the Soro's etc challenge. If Mitt's Money buys the nomination - republicans have a problem with members like myself becoming independent and hardly ever voting republican again. I hope republicans do not sell out principles to the highest bidder. Lets get a strong pro-life/security-foreign policy ticket like Huck/McCaine. Our principles will allow us to keep the whitehouse and our respect/dignity.

Annie Mation
Do you think the libertarians will vote for the Democrats? Do you think the Democrats are more in tune with the Constitutio then are the Republicans?

All of them
So Medved thinks they can all find common ground, except several of his "all of thems" contradict McCain's stated positions.

Can't we all just get along . . .
I thought the debate on Fox was a "peaceful" event focused on issues. I thought all of the candidates behaved themselves nicely. I was proud of all the candidates, event though Mr. Romney was the clear winner in that environment. In fact, Mr. Romney was winning handily in both Iowa and NH "before the nastiness". Your article, however, isn't really seeking "peace"; it is asking us to accept Mr. Huckabee and Mr. McCain as broad spectrum conservatives, which they are not. It also continues to shamelessly attack Mr. Romney for these "real politics", when it was Mr. Huckabee who vaulted his candicacy on religious bigotry, and Mr. McCain is probably the meanest politician of his generation. Together, they have mercelessly and personally attacked Mr. Romney. Michael, you are like the bully who mercilessly harrasses a target until they finally turn and fight back; then suddenly you are crying for peace.. . . but of course you are going to keep all the lunch money you stole.

Sarah, you make some good points, BUT
McCain is NOT a true "Conservative," and Huckabee has *no realistic chance* in the secular, Northern states--and the big Electoral College blue states like New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, California.

Sarah wrote in her 12:37 post:

"Lets get a strong pro-life/security-foreign policy ticket like Huck/McCaine [sic]. Our principles will allow us to keep the whitehouse and our respect/dignity."

So, your favored ticket is a recipe for Republican suicide in November. Your suggested ticket may give you a feeling of "respect/dignity," but it's NOT going to "allow us to keep the whitehouse."

Uniting to defeat Obama
OK, Medved is simply trying to get us all, in the GOP, to focus on how to win. Remember, winning is the goal not going down to defeat in flames so we can all be so Perfect. None of the 5 guys who really have a chance to win are perfect. Paul and Hunter , while fine Reps in the House, are not going to win. Please finally decide on that. Those votes are wasted. One has to realize that voting is for the general election. All 50 states. Obama is running of change but as Rudy avers, change can be good or bad. Obama is a pacifist socialist. Human Events has an article on Obamamania which all should read, especially our candidates. McCain is too old, too friendly with lib Dems, wrong on free speech and illegals. He cannot beat Obama. Thompson is a fine guy but has not made any moves and will not. We should see that by now. If he does, then perhaps he is still in the mix. That leaves Rudy and Mitt, both imperfect. But, both could beat Obama and run a national campaign. If we all, bloggers, Pubs, conservatives, Evangelicals, libertarians keep destroying our guys with hatred and sometimes even false facts, the Dems will kill us in Nov. One wag wrote, that we beat up the guys and then unite for the Fall. Having worked in campaigns for 50 years, that rarely happens. Obama is now the enemy not other Pubs of the 3 wings of our Party. When one of these guys has a strategic plan to blast Obama and tells the voters, that guy should be on his way if we unite behind him. We also have to remember that House and Senate seats are up and we need a guy who will not be so weak that we lose even more seats than the 17 House seats we lost in '06 and we have to stop the bleeding in the Senate as we have to defend more seats in Nov.

Huck/McCain
Sarah:
McCain would never play second fiddle to anyone. For him it is the the presidency or nothing....so forget about your Huck as president.
McCain is a 'grumpy old man' that may have a shot at the presidency...perhaps that explains the 'lovefest' between the two and the combined attacks on Romney.
Respect and dignity hardly describe their recent personal attacks

A Thompson revival?
I wonder if, afterall, this wouldn't revive Fred Thompson's candidacy:

1) Romney's failure shows that money isn't everything and underlines his incapacity to convice conservatives.

2) McCain has never been seen as a true conservative nor republicain.

3) Guiliani, well...

4) Huckabee won't stand ground nationally.

And with all the wounds the aforementionned candidates (Giuliani to a lesser extent) are inflicting to each other and the nastiness they seem to uncover in their personnalities, Thompson appears like a wise grandfather figure, surfing over that whole mascarade. Plus, he has all the necessary conservative credentials.

What do you think?

Stenka
I would love to see it, but I am not holding my breath. The media has been studiously ignoring Thompson since the small burst of attention before he entered the race, and Thompson hasn't managed to force them to pay attention. I would love to see him get the nomination, but I just don't have much hope right now.

But I have been wrong before, so take my misgivings with a grain of salt.

Obama is beating Hillary
because he is perceived as an outsider who can connect with the average american. What other republicans can compete with this perception? Mitt is great in business but he is not connecting with voters. Independents in NH indicate that he would not get more that 15% of their votes.....and without minorities and people earning less than $75k, and evangelicals -how can he win? I agree McCaine should not be the president but we forgave Bush for immigration and we can forgive him too. Also, remember with democrats swipping the senate - we will need independents to vote republican if we have a prayer for the whitehouse - hence the value of McCaine as VP. McCaine has not done well in the senate but as VP he would be harmless. Remember Chaney is pro-choice and pro-gay marriage but Bush has managed to keep those policies out of the books. Huck can manage McCaine's immigration issues.

lol
McCain answering to Huck.....
Never ever happen.
Seriously LOL!!!

John Konop
If Ron Paul is a "man among boys", then why are all those "boys" clobbering him?

This is exactly what we need
We do not need a bunch of candidates all starry eyed talking about an abstract brighter future for tommorrow.

Peoples past records are the best way to judge their future results. Many of your examples (not all) are exactly why people shouldn't or should vote for someone.

I'm for Fred Thompson because he supports all 3 legs of the Republican Party platform that wins every time its ran on nationally.

1. Social (especially Pro-life, Pro-Gun, Pro-Marriage).
2. Fiscal (low taxes, less spending, anti-government period).
3. Hawk (tough on enemies, anti-UN, not afraid to use force when needed).

Candidates that embrace all three of those this election are few and far between. Fred does though and thats why I support him.

Just silly
Um, it's vital that the GOP candidates FIGHT it out. I need to see the future president of the US under intense negative pressure. Like others have said, this isn't Kumbaya time, people. It's pathetic that people get so sensitive and turned off by the fighting. This is one of the most important jobs in the world!

Go Mitt and Fred!

Enough with the Hope-A-Dope stuff
And Exactly WHO started the "this has to be a positive campaign" schmooze? Huckabee/Medved.

There was NO such consensus (and there still isn't) before Iowa, or even afterwards.

The GOP don't have to follow the "Hope-a-Dope" of Huckabee/Medved.

It isn't against the rules to contrast yourself with your rivals. Go to Youtube, type in "1992 debates" watch the clips. Both Clinton and Bush "attack" eachother in a non-sensitized way. Medved is helping to invent the notion that this is has to be a "Positive +" campaign. That's nonesense.

TWEEEEEEEEEEEET!!
A loud whistle, and the cacophony ends. People grabbing each other's sleeves, talking over each other, "you...", "no, you..." -- it seems like it's getting us nowhere, generating more heat than light, but at least there's some light. Meanwhile, the alleged visionary on the other side of the aisle is quickly dispatching the hacks of various sizes arrayed before him.

We have a vast array of choices before us, but several of them are fatally flawed. Their supporters need to come to that realization and soon before we bleed each other to death.

Let's start with the NH frontrunner. No matter how many times he denies it, McCain's immigration bill was a blanket amnesty for somewhere between five and eight times as many illegals as we had back in 1986. (And for all those who use that date to argue, "See? Even Reagan favored amnesty," thank you for reminding us all of one of Reagan's errors.) The bill had his name on it; he can't escape it. He was cruising along until then; then he cratered. That's not going to change.

Next, the Iowa winner. Huckabee is the darling of the social conservatives, which is good, except that he has no appeal outside their circle. We're trying to get past the last eight years of "compassionate conservatism" and its legacy of much larger government, a blind eye (at best) toward the border, and benefits in lieu of deportation for the 20,000,000 illegals. I, for one, would sooner sever a hand than vote for another one.

Next, the man in second everywhere. Romney has many of the right words coming out of his mouth, but his problem is two-fold. The sincerity of recent conversions is questionable, and the matter of his religion. True, the Constitution bars religious tests, which is why he can be an office holder, but the voter is under no such restriction, which is why he will not be an office holder.

(continued below)

tweeeeeet, part 2
Rudy? There would be no "flying imams" under President Giuliani, except maybe in a cargo plane to be dumped over Syria. But, his relevant pledges to the contrary notwithstanding, Rudy's appeal doesn't embrace the social conservatives. (In this sense, he is the anti-Huck.) As the SC's have been VERY fond of pointing out to the rest of us, we lose when they stay home.

Ron Paul? If we weren't at war, I'm sure that many of us would be much more hospitable to a Paul candidacy. But we are at war. We all agreed -- or at least we put it to a vote. And that's not going away, no matter how many times Dr. Paul or the Dhimmicrats say it will if we just ignore it.

Alan Keyes? I voted for him in the '96 primary, and I'm sure he's itching for another shot at Obama, but -- I'm sorry, Ambassador -- but that's not happening this time.

Duncan Hunter? If he had had a higher profile, he would be the sole remaining candidate who could appeal to all members of the Reagan Coalition. But he never got one. And the last president elected straight out of the House -- the only one, in fact -- was Garfield in 1880.

That, ladies and gentlemen, leaves us with just one more guy: Fred Thompson. I've seen so many postings indicating that Fred is your second choice if not your first, that it pains me that we as a group may pass up this chance to win soundly in November. Everybody knows who he is; people like him; his positions are sound, and out there for all to see. And he can beat any of the preening ambitions masquerading as leaders in the other party.

Please, people, take another look at Fred.
http://www.fred08.com/

for Poach
Poach asks: "I spoke to a 29 year old Democrat yesterday.... He could be a good target for GOP Presidential hopefuls, given his moderate stance, but do you think he would even consider looking at these guys after this debate?"

Give it up.
Nobody on TH cares about that.

They're too busy throwing "RINOs" out of the GOP to worry about attracting anybody new into the Party. You said this 29 year old Democrat is "ambivalent" about abortion but favors cheaper, public health care. That automatically makes him a "socialist" in the eyes of the true believers here on TH, and hence not worth bothering with.

The folks here on TH would rather lose the election than propose a public health care program that might attract modeate Democrats.

Columnist David Brooks summed it up perfectly: The true believers would rather keep control of a party that loses, than lose control of a party that wins.

for TriciaCT
TriciaCT writes: "McCain is NOT a true "Conservative," and Huckabee has *no realistic chance* in the secular, Northern states--and the big Electoral College blue states like New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, California."

Rudy Giuliani has an EXCELLENT chance to take New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania in the general election.

So why is everyone on TH rejecting him too?

Don't you see what is happening here? You have set up a scapegoat for yourselves. The problem with the GOP is *NOT* that it has been insufficiently conservative. The problem with the GOP is simply that it has been betrayed by the corruption and incompetence of a number of its members, including (unfortunately) some in the Bush Administration. But because you dare not criticize Bush directly in public, you're scapegoating others instead.

So now you are in search of the "absolute conservative" candidate (as one poster put it), rather than looking for a candidate who can inspire Americans to vote for him. Anyone who is not 100% committed to each and every part of the conservative agenda gets rejected.

Who is going to be left? Romney, who hits every conservative talking point whether he believes it or not; Fred, who couldn't care less whether he wins or not; and Duncan Hunter, whose scowling and grimness contrasts painfully with Obama's optimism. (Doesn't Duncan Hunter ever smile?)


Media silence
Note that the only real conservatives in the race are largely ignored by the media and the pretender Medved. Hunter is virtually unmentioned. Tancredo was dismissed. Too bad Paul's foreign policy stances are so dangerously naive-- he'd be a good choice otherwise. Of course the reason he gets media attention is because the media knows he doesn't stand a chance.

Look at the only conservative, also ignored by the media, with a chance at winning the primary, and vote your conscience. Many of the pundit class have their own agenda. There's a reason they are also dismissing Fred. Today I heard one of these knuckleheads saying that Fred was washed up because he came in third in Iowa, yet said knucklehead sang the praises of McCain's fourth place finish. Go figure.

You're missing a few pieces...
Romney's campaign has been about change and the future all along, but you had to be paying attention to know it.

We also know what was in McCain's and Kennedy's immigration bill, so give us a freaking break and go back to school if you can't figure it out.

And since when did voters not have a right to know what a person's record is? Huckabee exposed himself as a fraud during Romney's questioning and it was legitimate, considering Pastor Mike ripped Mitt's character apart over it, said he was a liar who sold his soul (THAT IS A PERSONSAL ATTACK, FYI) when Romney was telling the truth all along!!

Not surprised the Dems don't want to talk about illegal immigration, either, considering they're in it up to their necks with Bush and McCain. Congress has the worst approval rating in history, McCain and his lib buddies are a big reason why, for your information.

If this reporter can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen and give the job to someone else.

Micheal Medved=hypocrite
Wasn't it just last week that Mr. Medved wrote an article about RINO's and the need for the Republican party to remain a big tent party? Then he writes this piece in which the only mention of Ron Paul is the Mad Doctor Paul. Micheal Medved should review his own writing. There is a faction of the Republican party lead by Pat Buchanon, Ron Paul and others that oppose the Bush foreign policy as unmanageable. You can either deal with us or try to keep marginalizing us. If you do keep marginalizing us don't be surprised if we come to the conclusion that the Republican Party has left us just as the Democratic party has left Reagan.

I am an Army brat and a veteran and have voted Republican in every election since 1988. I have always been described by my friends here in conservative Cincinnati as a strict conservative. I am here to tell you if Ron Paul keeps getting the treatment he has and at least is not allowed to speak at the Republican convention I will kiss the Republicans goodby and vote Democrat even if I puke afterwords.

I promise I won't be the only one. You better hope it's not a close election.

SteveL
"The folks here on TH would rather lose the election than propose a public health care program that might attract moderate Democrats."

Ah yes, the "same but cheaper" Republican Party of the golden Bob Michel years. Does anyone else here recall the nickname toted by our 1996 nominee, Bob Dole? "Tax collector for the welfare state."

Would I rather have a 45-seat Senate minority saying "no" to cloture than a 55-seat Senate majority saying "yes" to expanding the nanny state? Thank you for identifying the problem.

"We can get more people to vote for us so that we can enact legislation that conforms to our core principles... if we're willing first to abandon our core principles." Riiight. Like that ALWAYS works.

Steve, your socialist friend will be very impressed by our trying to cater to his whims when he goes into the booth and votes for the Dhimmicrats' higher bid. And even if we nominate Rudy, voters in New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania will still do likewise, and we'll be able to pat ourselves on the back when marvelling at how close we came.

Ron Paul at the convention
I would expect Dr. Paul to make himself available for a good time slot during the GOP convention, and I would expect the GOP leadership to go out of their way to make such a slot available to him.

And why not? Because he opposes the war? Shutting out the minority viewpoint is the tactic of the Dhimmicrats. Recall their treatment of the pro-life Pennsylvania governor Bob Casey: it did wonders for the activists' egos and solidarity, I'm sure, but has kept many people from voting for them ever since.

On the other hand, the Republican Party is famous for never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

What do you mean, "we" compromise?
Michael Medved has a good point about the negative campaigning.

However, it *is* the primaries. It is time for conservatives to take a good, long, hard look at these contenders. Some of them have such abysmal records, supporting them is a calumny against our own beliefs.

Only the candidates themselves are discussing anything substantive about the pasts of their opponents, and people ought to know. We are not voting for a slick new website; we are voting on a person's actions of the past, I would argue.

What is most frightening is that once there is a nominee, we will be stuck. If conservative talk-show hosts do not question the past of Romney now, think of what weak enablers they will be in the future. He will get carte blanche on everything: that is already happening, as there has been a complete white-out of his past, while Huckabee has had his record gone over with a fine tooth comb and even distorted.

It was sooo noble for us to support Giuliani, or McCain, or Romney when their polls were high, because conservatives were told they need to compromise, and forget the past of the candidate; just look at what he promises to do, and take him at his word (most current, that is).

That was the team spirit to take it on the chin for the GOP. But now it seems compromise is exactly the wrong thing to do if it is Rush, or Sean, or Laura, or Anne, or Townhall writers that have to do the compromising, instead of their listeners. Now these same people are worried about the party. When they say, "we" should compromise, they really mean, you should compromise.

aDNA
Thompson o8

? to hitler
Mr. Hitler,,,,

Lets not get into your history and the past and instead concentrate on what YOU plan on doin for this country. Shall we?

ADOLF.... well everybody i'm a CHRISTIAN leader first of all. And I believe that I can get lots of stuff done for you all (thru govt. of course). I for sure would never PARDON criminals and murderers (like huckabee) because I would not believe thier conversion or coming to JESUS would be real. I think they would be doing this just to get out of jail.
I also would never let illegal immigrants get amnesty in this country (like mccain). I mean heck, I was killing my own people who were already citizens that I did'nt want.


So there you have it folks,,,, forget HITLERS past and he is more conservative than Huckabee on Pardons and Mccain on Immigration.

IE... vote hitler...
Medved,,, your 1 messed up dude.

Romney
I just watched all the tv spots off of?

http://www.mittromney.com
website and the spots were great.

Mitt Romney does not attack anyone's character or make
snide childish comments which are broadcast across the nation.

Mitt Romney has class and MM you need take responsibility for
all the mud-slinging you've been throwing at Romney throughout
his campaign.



Small men discuss small issues.
The GOP primary debates have degenerated into "he said - she said" squabbles instead of substantive discussions. All of them look like candidates for mayor of a small town, and not fit to hold Reagan's coat.

Do you notice the lack of enthusiasm and cash for these candidates? The Republican party is in trouble, and is no longer a home for conservatives. This lifelong Republican now identifies myself as a conservative instead of a Republican, and is looking for a viable candidate to support.

PS Ron Paul supporters should not waste time offering him as a conservative candidate. Ron is a nut who would leave this country vulnerable in the War on Terror.

I don't understand the complaint
The debate formula is broken before it starts. They are fed preselected questions chosen by a liberal media and they have about 30 seconds to answer.

I watched the ABC debates. Mitt Romney was attacked many times. What I gleaned is that Mitt Romney does well when he's attacked. That's a presidential quality that I value. Answering the first question correctly in 30 seconds is impossible... 'If you are the nominee, will you run on the Bush foreign policy record, or will you run away from it?' These debates are feats of strength. I would consider it an extreme sport. I came away liking Romney because he handled himself well, was informed, even, articulate and specific. Giuliani was too. We need in our next President someone tough on terror and a good steward...Romney and Giuliani have proven themselves.

The democrat debate started with a foreign policy question (preceded by video passively bashing Bush) that was very specific. Why can't the questions be exactly the same if fairness is what we're after?

There was also no 'Ron Paul' in the democratic debate. He has every right to be there, but if 5% of the vote is all you need doesn't Al Sharpton get 5% of the vote every presidential election? The democratic debate seemed more peaceful because it was designed to be. If someone controversial had been invited it may have taken on a carnival atmosphere too.


Man Among Boys at ABC Debate
Ron Paul: A Man Among Boys at ABC Debate
A tax cut is not a tax cut unlesss you cut spending to pay for it!

NC-At the ABC Debate on Saturday night, the moderator asked the Republicans about how they would address an issue truly affecting nearly every American almost daily–rising gas prices.

The other candidates talked about things like alternative fuels, getting us off the dependence on foreign oil, and increasing investment in technology. They also “addressed” the issue of gas prices by talking about global warming and greenhouse gases, how the oil companies were paying more to protect themselves in lawsuits than on research, and how high gas prices helped fund terrorists. I’m sorry, but what in Obama does this have to do with actually fixing the problem of surging gas prices?

READ MORE

http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/ron-paul-a-man-amo ng-boys-at-abc-debate


Romney's CLASS ACT
I just watched all the tv spots from:

http://www.mittromney.com website and they were great.


Mitt Romney does not demean anyones character or make
snide childish comments which are broadcast across the nation.
He does quote facts.... and since when does 'illegal immigration' NOT qualify as a present/future concern MM?

You have to look at a person's record to make a qualified decision on a candidate. What else would a wise voter look at? Religion? No....but that's where the MSM have been groveling in the dirt, along with a certain candidate.

Smart voters look at issues and records. Remember here,
that stem-cell research, gay marriage etc. were NOT on the
agenda when Romney took prior stands on those issues.
Romney is able to change when America 'takes the lower road.' That's exactly what we need in a POTUS.
The ability to change WHEN you see that continuing on with a certain stance would bring ever more destruction to our values and freedoms.

So really, let's look at the reasons Romney changed his stance on abortion. Gay marriage is not a 'right'. Look at how the standards have fallen with our children's 'moral' training in schools as this issue has unfolded. CA's gov should go back to his homeland.

Mitt Romney has class and MM you need take responsibility for
all the mud-slinging you've been throwing at Romney throughout
his campaign.

See the tv spots for yourself, here is the best POTUS we could
hope for. Romney has the midas touch. The GOP needs to wake up, you're handing the election to the dems.

Oh Romney's an "act" alright.
"You're getting to be a pretty good actor."

--Fred Thompson to M. Romney in debate

Left Turns
If Romney was the nominee, Medved would jump the GOP ship most likely. As someone posted above: the next Medved book: Left Turns.

@ Hector Berlioz
Mr. Berlioz,

Michael Medved has been the only talk show host with real integrity, and has not been a mere poll-biter.

He deserves the utmost respect in these trying times as liberals masquerade as Republicans, and we cannot see who finances them due to McCain-Feingold. It is a horrible situation, and Michael Medved has done the very best anyone could ever do in crying "foul."

Perhaps this whirlwind will pass, and Michael will have shown us all that he had a strong foundation in Biblical truth, conservatism, and patriotism.

God remains on His throne. I believe the golden microphones are now available...



aDNA
Mr. Medved has been wrong, so don't get all high and mighty with real conservatives.

I'm looking for the all around real conservative, and the only viable candidate that fits the bill is Fred. Hands down!

Romney not about change
Mitt has now used Hillary's lines "as the only candidate with real experiece to bring change" and Obama's line "if we keep sending the same people back to washington then nothing will get done". Unfortunately for Mitt, he is not the image of change but rather status quo of a rich republican with a business background. Mitt would be better served spending his ad. money explaining to americans how his business experience can translate into political performance in terms of actual policies that can change the average american life. So far, his inconsistent policy decisions as governor are too inconsistent to give americans the confidence that his business success is transferrable to the non-profit world of politics.

McCain my foot
Ronald Reagan and Bush 41 changed too...

McCain can't admit his votes against tax cuts were bad. He can't admit that McCain-Feingold didn't do diddly squat to fix what it was supposed to (made it worse). He'll screw up the country. But at least you know where he stands. At the bottom of the history heap with Franklin Pierce.

@Con4Fred
Con4Fred, you may not have know this, but I am rather a Thompson enthusiast myself.

I am not willing to salt the farmland if Michael likes McCain. Michael has been the only one to speak openly about Mitt Romney, and besides, Michael and I have been going on for 8 years and I am not throwing it all away over this. Laura Ingraham and I are over, though. Finished. Rush is being a dork.

aDNA
Thompson o8




I kinda was feeling him for awhile...
up until Medved, after decrying all the petty name-calling within the GOP candidate, referred to Rep. Paul as "The Mad Doctor."

Pot, meet kettle...

The problem is not...
...the candidates. Its the advisers/consultants and strategists that they hire. The GOP is devoid of any talent in that area. Nothing but a collection of empty suits.
They all pattern themselves after the way-over-rated Karl Rove. DD

Gallagher
Gallagher was also open about his thoughts on Romney, without being derogatory about him. I respect Gallagher. Medved is sneaky.

Medved is tactful
not sneaky. He is a doll. I wish there were 10 of him.

Who's the man?
Who can get an interview with a "person" from the bay who thinks the government should supply the money for his sex change?

Who is the man who can actually talk to these people, while the rest of us dump our radios out the window and mash the motor?

It is Michael. He is able to actually view the films and tell us what is in them. He has an iron constitution and he is doing the right thing.

WRONG AND RIGHT
This article is right about the tone needing to chang, but it is only NOW that it needs to change. How it played out in the past is exactly how it needed to be. Now that Romney has helped thoroughly vet the latecomer Huckabee (somebody had to do since the MSM wasn't going to), and helped re-vet McCain (b/c again the MSM wouldn't), he can focus his attention on his turnaround abilities, which has always been his strength. He can focus on this strength through the rest of the primaries.

If Romney gets through Michigan and Nevada okay, he might have to help vet Guiliani a bit more since that guy's got such great name recognition. Other than that, he's done with most of his "negative" campaigning, which serves a valuable purpose in politics. I think the GOP will be a lot "sunnier" from here on out. By the way, Romney is in this for the long haul. His opponenents who thing he'll drop out are in a pipe dream. And as he continues to rack up delegates, he's still got a great shot at the nomination.

WRONG AND RIGHT
This article is right about the tone needing to chang, but it is only NOW that it needs to change. How it played out in the past is exactly how it needed to be. Now that Romney has helped thoroughly vet the latecomer Huckabee (somebody had to do since the MSM wasn't going to), and helped re-vet McCain (b/c again the MSM wouldn't), he can focus his attention on his turnaround abilities, which has always been his strength. He can focus on this strength through the rest of the primaries.

If Romney gets through Michigan and Nevada okay, he might have to help vet Guiliani a bit more since that guy's got such great name recognition. Other than that, he's done with most of his "negative" campaigning, which serves a valuable purpose in politics. I think the GOP will be a lot "sunnier" from here on out. By the way, Romney is in this for the long haul. His opponenents who thing he'll drop out are in a pipe dream. And as he continues to rack up delegates, he's still got a great shot at the nomination.

Medved...
Medved watched two different debates over the weekend than I did. Mitt Romney won both, at least I concur with the opinion of about twenty other pundits who believe the same thing.

Adios America
I've lived thru 12 Presidential elections, (granted, i don't remember much about the 1st couple) and this is, without doubt, the sorriest bunch of candidates in our nation's history.

The top 3 democrat candidates combined don't have enough experience to run a thrift shop, much less the United States.

The top 3 Republicans, while light years ahead on experience, are nothing more than liberals in conservative clothing.

We are in deep doo doo.

The best candidate of the bunch, Duncan Hunter, will not be allowed to win. (thanks to the media)

Our country, if not dying,is critically ill. And in november, millions of grossly uninformed citizens will head to the polls. They will, barring a miracle, elect another idiot to the Oval Office. (read: Obama)

I'm going to miss my country.

I'm going to pray for my grandchildren.

Illegal immigrants are invading by the millions...socialist/communists have taken over our schools, courts & media.

Islamo-fascists will not be the downfall of America....liberals will destroy it from the inside out...and conservatives will stand by and watch because they're too afraid of offending someone.

On the other hand tho....most conservatives are armed, and hopefully, before the left can turn America into another USSR, folks might just get mad enough......

Have a nice day & keep your powder dry.

So...God comments...from the Psalms...
LET'S DO BETTER...
Sin speaks to the wicked deep in their hearts; they reject God...think highly of themselves...think God isn't watching and recording their choices.

Their speech is wicked and full of lies; they no longer do what is wise and good, and they NEVER REJECT EVIL...

How precious, O God, is your constant love! We feast...we drink from the river of Your goodness. You are the source of life, and because of your light we see the light.

...See where the evil people have fallen. There they lie, unable to rise. Don't be worried on account of the wicked; don't be jealous of those who do wrong. They will soon disappear like the grass that dries...

Trust in the LORD and do good and so shall you live in the land AND BE SAFE. Seek your happiness in the LORD, and He will give you the desires of your heart.

Candidates...dare yah!!!

Adios America?
This country has many who will fight. God is Sovereign. If He takes away our political party, perhaps He will work it out for our good, advancing truth, rather than shrinking its borders.

I do not believe anyone who gives up the United States like that. Americans have never given up yet.

maybe mike
But based on PAST statements and practice, why should I believe what they say NOW?

Let them take the Big Mick Pledge:
WIN the War for survival against the Sandnazis on ALL fronts.
DEFEND against the Reconquistas (SEAL the Border, DEPORT ALL Illegals)
RESTORE Constitutionalism by appointing ONLY from a Consensus List of Top Ten Most Strict Constructionist Judges.
REDUCE the size of the FedGov 3% each year of their admin (in real absolute terms, not mere slowed growth)
SECURE my Sacred Franchise with an Iron Clad Fraud Proof voter Registration and ID system.
WIN DEFEND RESTORE REDUCE SECURE
all or nothing, no equivocations, in public and in writing or I vote for HillybamaWards in the hope a Fast Socialist Track will bring on American Revolution Part 3 faster than a Slow one.

But EVEN if MITT took it today, he wouldn't get my vote UNTIL---he is absolutely up front about the DIFFERENCES (NOT the propagandized similarities) between Mormonism and Main Stream Protestantism.
I want to hear HIM discuss the Top Five Doctrinal Differences between Mormonism and Main Stream Protestantism, beginning with the Mormon Doctrine of Extra Canonical Revelation It is HIS job to out the DIFFERENCES, WHY they matter and why they matter TO HIM Why he is a MORMON and NOT a presbyterian. Until he does he is a member of a Secret Society and I cannot trust anything he says.

the big mick

more oldmaidauntbeechin&moanin
Why otherwise intelligent men think it is POSSIBLE for Free Men to find common ground with the Tyranny of the Commiequeers is beyond me.
As others have pointed out, there is no qualitative dif in the commiequeers and the Nazis! Would Medved have counseled finding "common ground" with Hitler? Ridiculous on the face of it, but he refuses to call a commiequeer a commiequeer NOW! What's he think the DIFFERENCE is? In the end, it is selling Liberty for "peace" and "consensus" through a cowardly and emmotionally childish refusal to face the true nature of one's sworn enemies.

I'm not interested in unity, or harmony, or common ground or a different tone--I want the nazicommiequeers dead in such a horrific way that they will never again threaten the liberty of me and mine for GENERATIONS!

And I'm no more an extremist in this than a Sam Adams or a Patrick Henry--take it up with them you "can't we just get along" collaborators and enablers.

the big mick

Nice try, Michael
Everything Michael said is great in theory, but the three leaders in the Republican race (McCain, Rimney & Huckabee) are the most spiteful negative campaigners, and dirty tricksters while the two men (Thompson & Giuliani) who are doing what Michael suggests are lagging behind.

Turn out of all segments of the Republican party is absolutely critical to victory in the general election, and Fred Thompson is the only candidate that can unite all Republicans to vote in November. He is the only true conservative in the race who can reach out to rational independents with common sense economic and national security positions, and lead America to peace through strength and prosperity through proven conservative principals. Every other Republican candidate has substantial baggage that will alienate large portions of the party, and no amount of perceived independent appeal can compensate for the large blocks of Republican and/ or conservative and/or evangelical voters that will sit home if they are the Republican nominee.

It is a travesty that the MSM has to date successfully slandered Fred's work ethic and enthusiasm for leadership. Providence lead Fred into this race and the related serenity he feels about his mission to lead has been grossly mischaracterized as a lack of "fire in the belly". Fred is highly motivated to lead America for the benefit of his and America's children, not to satisfy intense personal ambition. He is exactly the right man at precisely the right moment and he is running for all the right reasons.


Kumbaya , Kumbaya
I don't know what's stupider, this article; or me thinking anyone is going to read 100 comments down.

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Nobility
When a Hunter or a Kucinich or a Dodd or a Thompson is showing only 1% or 2% in the polls, would it really help for the press to devote Page I to the guy and hand out free ice cream with every copy of the paper? Some candidates don't inspire voters. They don't excite voters. Nobody cares about them. Why should the media waste time on such? A campaign is an organic, live, happening thing, not an Equal Opportunity event.

lilly: Time for your meds and bed!

Nighty night! :-)





Delegates.......

Republican Scorecard

Romney30
Huckabee21
McCain10
Thompson6
Paul2
Giuliani1
Hunter1

To bigmick
You haven't exactly spelled out who you're talking about, but somehow I think it's either liberals or Democrats. Am I right? So you have called them Communists, Nazis, and homosexuals. You've also said you want them dead "in a horrific way". Very nice, mick. And that you're not interested in "unity, harmony, or common ground".

Mick, we have enemies in the Middle East who would love to come over here and kill us all. We have an enemy in Venezuela and another one in Cuba. We have enemies in our own streets who will gladly knock us in the head with a brick to steal the fifty cents we have in our pocket. Don't you think that's enemies enough? Or are you so hard-up for enemies that you have to make enemies of your fellow Americans just because they are in the other party in a two-party nation? Or do you want the United States to be a one-party nation? With death "in a horrific way" for everybody you disagree with?

You must be a charming addition to your neighborhood.

Being nice?
If Medved is right about the way to win the general election is to be positive then Republicans should nominate McCain. He's never had anything to say but praise for Democrats.

The voice of reason
Thank you Michael. This is indeed what needs to happen and NOW! Let's hope the candidates read this article!!!

Mike, VODOO ECONOMICS.
"When Ronald Reagan won the presidency in 1980, none of his opponents attempted to knee-cap his campaign"

Wasnt it George H.W. Bush who coined that phrase explaining away Regans thoughts on economic policy during the primary, and if he was not the one who coined the phrase I certainly remember him using it.




These quibbles ?
Quibbles?, these points are certainly more then just quibbles they pertain to each candidates perceptions of events which are very illuminating as to how a candidate worldview is and may give clues as to how they will operate in the future.

These Quibbles I might add may be better understood when actually quoted correctlly as to incorrectly quote the candidate as you did with Huckabee(not a fan) his take about the surge had to do with whether or not it should be done with NG. or Reserve troops. Not that the Surge itself would be a bad deal. His thing about more troops is that he would increase the active millitary. This debate of using the reserves to fill out a semi skeletal active military and to what extent you use it has been an ongoing debate since the late 80's and the begining of the Cold War Peace dividen

If we don’t shift the conversation?
Exactly how the heck am I going to shift the conversation.

Micheal I doubt you'll even read this post. I doubt you even have the slightest chance of changeing the conversation, although yours is vastly greater chance then mine with your massive national audience.

No, the people who will change the conversation, excuse me the ONE who will change the conversation will be the next Republican Nominee, hmmm maybe lathargee has its place in the early primary afterall?

Until then those lamenting that they cant get their plan for the future out have only themselves to blame so let the vetting continue.


Seems every primary gets to
This point.....

"While the leading Democrat pleads for an end to mean-spirited attacks and the politics of fear, it’s an obvious disaster --- a suicidal disaster, in fact – if the Republican candidates continue to assault one another with precisely that meanness, pettiness and bad temper that the American people wholeheartedly have come to despise."

When the true front runner looks around catches on and while the rest bicker about the past he starts educating about his vision for the future.

Be of good
cheer Micheal it will be okay.

IF YOUR NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION.....
The "pact" goes far beyond just the FauxPas Five candidates you mentioned. It includes the rest of the Establishment GOP, including you Michael Medved, who cant see the forest for the trees, because you ARE one of the trees.

I was going to try to explain it to you...how the independents in Iowa and NH, (those who havent yet discovered Ron Paul) either chose Obama in desperation or McCain by default.

But then I reread the article and decided I am wasting my time. I'll forward the article on to the rest of the inmates in the Mad Doctor's asylum, as we try to consolidate what is left of that crazy old Party who believed in small government, individual responsibility, humble foreign policies and the principles of freedom and liberty found in the Constitution.

lilly usually
I dont agree one wit with what you say but I must say your 1135 post

Spot on baby

The Doctor Sure is MAD...MAD as HELL!
Some of the signs say: Dr.Paul Cured My Apathy! But my sign says: Dr Paul Cured My Despair!

The Grand Old Party would rather see Hillary or Obama elected than Ron Paul. Dont you all wonder why?

Grind Down
The strategy now is to grind down the weak fund raisers. Huck and especially McCain will have to spend money in MI SC and FL if they want to win. Rudy will be waiting in FL to make a stand and that should break McCain. One of them has to exit for the other to win (even if there are a lot of Independents voting). Romney will concentrate on the CDs that he can win and max his delegate count. MI SC and FL all have a winner take all provision at the CD level for most of their delegates.

It is small wonder that Huck is distraught every time Romney looks good and runs well. Romney beat Huck 3 to 1 in NH and Huck was only a couple of points ahead of Rudy and Ron Paul.

It is a survival race now that favors Romney as one of the survivors. Even Dick Morris is predicting that Romney will stay in to the convention as he can afford to stay in.

Just a Thought BUT...
Keep in mind - If Huckabee continues to fracture the voting base with large numbers of God fearing Christians throwing their principles by the wayside and their support his way based solely on the fact that he IS one of them then we CANNOT and WILL NOT win in November (or maybe anytime again in the near future) because then the Christian Right will be sending the message to the Conservative Wing that they are not who we thought they were. They will be telling us they are not true Conservatives.

Sadly a worse nightmare awaits if Huckabee's pal John McCain somehow inexplicably becomes the standard bearer for the Republican party this Fall. Not only will we have Comprehensive Immigration Reform foisted upon us but we will also have to live through a Democratic party massacre of the Republican candidates for Senate and House seats as true Conservatives stay home in protest. I'll write in a candidate as a protest before I stay home, but that's just principle.

So, by all means if you want a Liberal Democrat in the White House, vote for McCain (you'll get one win or lose) AND you might just get Huckabee as your VP as well because the liberal Evangelical voters can put the Republicans over the top!!!

Vote Your Core Principles!!!

The only way to win and to GAIN seats in Congress is to vote Conservative in LARGE numbers!!

Vote Fred Thompson
THE Only Real Conservative in the race!

W/O=

The Brain Speaks - Listen Carefully
Once again Master Medved has foisted his pontifical Messianic gibberish upon us from his campaign headquarters in Stupidville. We would all be pretty stupid ourselves if we failed to notice just how many times and to what extent Sir Michael threw his hateful bombs at Mitt Romney in the aforementioned rant. He is so fearful that Romney may become the next president that he likely has doubled up on his supply of Depends. Of course, if you feel the same way about Mitt, you probably gave your friend Medved the Mindless a pat on the back for being so observant.

By the way, he really gave a tongue lashing to his other "fav" candidate, Ron Paul. My goodness, how does one man with nothing comprehensible to say find himself with a soap box capable of supporting his massive intellect?

As usual...
I think you're all wet Mike.

We can get into the details of how to deal with health care, the economy, the price of energy etc. when the Republican nominee faces the Democratic nominee. Until then, conservatives want to know what makes their prospective presidents tick. How are we suppose to judge what we hear and read regarding these candidates if we don't question them?

All of the prospective presidential candidates claim to be conservative, but some of them are just putting on a front. What Republicans want to know about these candidates is which ones really emulate my values. Which, if any, are the real thing when it comes to representing conservative values. The only way to know is to ask. Would you have us all go into this election blindfolded? Once we know the core values of the candidates, the details will take care of themselves.

Romney at fault...
The GOP darling Mitt Romney is at fault here. He is dragging it through the mud, and though I hadn't realized it immediately after the debate I was left feeling like I had just watched a bunch of whiney college girls fighting over who should be the Tri Delt homecoming representative. Clean it up Mitt! You can win, stop the maddness or people will soon turn their backs on you. (note: McCain in NH).

Chris Farrington

Suicide is Worth it
If McCain or Giuliani becomes the nominee, it will be better to lose in 2008. Both men support amnesty and demographic revolution in America and both support this open-ended, hysterical so-called "War on Terror". Better to have economic collapse under Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama.

Today's Column
You are the Hubert Humphrey of columnists.

Positions
of the candidates need to be discussed without being accused of running negative ads. McCain doesn't like his amnesty position being called amnesty.

Huckabee wants to put his tax increases in the past so he thinks ads about these increases are negative.

If these issues differences are aired truthfully and politely, I am for them.

I also applaud Romney for his very gracious after primary speech in New Hampshire. He congratulated McCain and talked about the good campaign he had run. McCain never mentioned anyone but himself.

The real problem
The real problem is that they all have good arguments against each other. None of them have great conservative republican records.

Nor does it help that the only sound bytes that the media plays of the republican race are of criticisms within the Republican party. It's a win-win for the media, who want a democrat in office. It is their intent to have the US citizens fed up with republicans by the time the general election.

What are you thinking?
Chachi writes: Wednesday, January, 09, 2008 8:13 AM
Romney at fault...
The GOP darling Mitt Romney is at fault here. He is dragging it through the mud, and though I hadn't realized it immediately after the debate I was left feeling like I had just watched a bunch of whiney college girls fighting over who should be the Tri Delt homecoming representative. Clean it up Mitt! You can win, stop the maddness or people will soon turn their backs on you. (note: McCain in NH).

Chris Farrington

My comment to this is "It is better to keep your mouth closed and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt". I am familiar with all Mitt Romney ads and NONE of them are personal attacks, merely vetting the record of his opponents. If this is "negative", then his rivals records have to be "negative".

This article is silly
This article is silly - if there is a GOP food fight it is because there are things to fight about. I for one can tell you that just because you wrote this "now make peace, boys" article that I don't suddenly want my country turned over to Mexico, like McAmnesty wants to do.

The fact is the GOP is toast.

Exactly right, Boutte
"So he disses Rep. Ron Paul as the "Mad Doctor". Mad for opposing immoral, illegal wars which cost trillions of bucks-- the biggest boondoggle of all-- and which make us less safe. Wars which have already killed 4,000 Americans. Wars which two thirds of Americans have rejected,"

THAT is why Paul is mad and so are his supporters.

1) Congress authorized the war. It cannot be illegal.

If I kick you in the nuts, and you take swing at me and miss... are you guilty of "immoral, illegal" assault?

If 2/3rds of Americans have rejected this war, (as if a nation has a choice about fighting), then the U.S. deserves to be conquered and oppressed to the full extent the moslems can oppress us.

Here's a history lesson for you; wars MAKE money.
More often than not, they help the economy (which is why Roosevelt was so desperate to get us into WWII, another immoral and illegal war no doubt.)

Are we going to end the immoral and illegal killing of innocent Americans... on our highways? Why is it 4k traffic fatalities in a month is a statistic, but 4k battle fatalities in 5 years is some gawdawful immoral disaster?

In that prissy, schoolteacher martinet's world, the U.S. gov't is the real enemy, the only enemy. If he had a grasp of history he'd know that Cicero and co's. tactics LOST and actually brought about the empire. Time to embrace the empire.

When Ron Paul cares more about moslems trying to kill Americans than about Americans killing any non-Americans, then I'll maybe listen to his drivel. I don't want to hear his BS about how the other guy would feel. If he cares so much how a middle eastern country would react to U.S. foreign policy... go run for President of THAT country!

Can't even finish this drivel
This man is not a conservative,nor does he want the United States to retain it's sovreigntry. It is that simple.

Why...
"The Grand Old Party would rather see Hillary or Obama elected than Ron Paul. Dont you all wonder why?"

Because we'd rather see the country die quickly, than rot away slowly?

aDNA
Americans have been giving up for 60 years.

Liberals are like the Borg;

"They invade our space and we fall back. They assimilate entire worlds and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further!"

And "Americans" are unwilling to draw the line. They are unwilling to tell the Emperor that he's a naked pedophile. They continue to retreat, rhetorically, on the homosexual front, the so-called "civil rights" front (aka communist agenda front), the traditional values front, on every front of traditional cultural values that built the nation. All because, like Medved and the others here who criticize the infighting, want to be "nice" and feel "nice".
Until Americans are willing to say, "I don't give a f* what anybody thinks of me, we're going back to where we were before the g*d* liberals were given free rein to destroy the nation", we will be quitters and the nation will continue to die.

Bias
Michael, I agree with the point, but not your article. Isn't the point of a debate to debate? I do agree the your man Huck and McCain were a little over the top on Saturday. But Sunday's debate was very enjoyable and spoke to differences between the candidates.

You mention forget the past, you on your show and in the article you continue to focus most of your negativity toward's Romney? You are not consistent in your point. It doesn't seem like you want to "forget" the past and look to the future.

And since you defended him, I must comment about McCain. Shouldn't McCain have to defend his claim as a "tax cutter"? Especially, when the biggest and most recent example of tax cuts he came out strongly against (with petty anti-Bush rhetoric)the cuts (I know you defended him as a "cost-cutter"--but why is he now in favor of the cuts? And will he really fight to make them permanent? He should have to speak to this point).

Good thought on civility Michael, but consistentcy in your words would go a long way.

--Chris

If We Can't Trust the Past
The squabbling is really about "Trustworthyness."

Do these candidates speak their core convictions? Are they honest about their past actions? Will they carry through on their promises?

It's not petty, but neither is it pretty.

Just absolutely assential.

That each of these candidates has "issues" is testiment to how quickly issues have changed: What yesterday looked like "safe" politics and necessary to lineup the establishment; is now bad politics to be changed, evolved, repudiated, or denied.

Ronald Reagan could express asperations and policy solutions for the future; sincerity unquestioned, because nobody was questioning his commitments based on inconsistent past actions.

That just isn't the case with this group of presidential candidates.

Politicians seek money, the mother's milk of politics, from the establishment.

The establishment has an agenda, not necessarily Conservative -- seals have flippers, and "trust" is the coin of the realm.

Not necessarily in that order.

I think Medved was thinking
I think Medved was not saying that the candidates can't attach each other on positions. The problem we are all falling into is this endless debate on who is the true conservative. None of the candidates right now are conservtives in the mold that Hugh Hewitt and Riush want. Ronald Reagan wasn't even that person. The person that the base supposedly wants is George W. Bush, except of course W did support the McCain immigration bill and in fact was the person who started it with Rove. Bush also supported the largest single expansion of Medicare and the largest expansion of farm subsidies. He also said global warming exists and we must respond to it and is in favor of Cafe standards.

Geez not even W is a true conservative. So who is!

Medved aids GOP in Suicide
The suicide within conservative ranks is because of the elites disconnect from the concerns of the involved and informed grassroots. The GOP, as a governing party, through its disloyal leadership is now commiting suicide. The Democrats will follow.

I became concerned about border and immigration especially after last June's senate amnesty debacle. When I looked to see what was really driving amnesty because it became clear to me that extremely powerful and influential forces were pulling the strings.

I discovered the same things that everybody else does who does their homework on the internet researching this. I discovered that those who know the score are backing different candidates than those the mainstream media glorifies. I discovered that a third party made up of both liberals and conservatives who are conserned that elites are pushing globalism will come about after most Americans leave both major parties and become independents.

Globalist interests in this country and elsewhere do not care where their money calls home or what effect their investments have on our country as long as they are making as much as possible.

I believe that these globalist elites seem to be the real power behind both parties and most of the media. Fortunately more Americans are becoming aware that something is wrong and are leaving both parties.

And we are no longer voting for the lessser of two evils. And this will spell the end of the current status quo and force the change our country deserves.

Take the higher ground
Michael,
It is good to lecture the party on stopping the attack ads. Especially when your personal favorites have gained an advantage due to "attacking the negative attack ad guy".
I agree with you, let's just have Huckabee go on the Letterman show and say, All the facts in the Romney ads were actually true and I was being dishonest when I said he was attacking me and being dishonest.
The same for McCain. Let him run on his record.

Problem is, neither would be where they are if they "honestly" responded to the contrasts in their records to what the Republican party is all about.
Up to a point, I saw Romney doing that, responding to questions and complaints about his record or his positions.
Then he had to air ads to show the contrast. I think Huckabee could have and probably did benefit from the ads because his name was in front of the voters.

So, let's all 'fess up and be friends.

Huckabee has been the most negative.
Attacking another candidates religion is bush league.

McCain isn't much better.

Neither can run on their qualifications or record.

McCain's domestic record is a disaster.

McCain-Feingold — a blatent assault on political speech tantamount to an Incumbent Protection Act.

McCain-Kennedy — the most far-reaching amnesty program in American history.

McCain-Lieberman — using "global warming" as the basis to make the most onerous attack on American industry in American history.

McCain-Kennedy-Edwards — the biggest boon to the trial bar

McCain-Reimportantion of Drugs — a significant blow to pharmaceutical research and development.

McCain’s stated opposition to the Bush 2001 and 2003 tax cuts.

As chairman of the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation, McCain was consistently hostile to American enterprise, from media and pharmaceutical companies to technology and energy companies.

McCain also led the Gang of 14, which prevented the appointment of conservative judges.

I support the only conservative...
who has proven the ability to reach across the aisle. The man with a vision of fiscal conservativism and social progressivism - Ron Paul.

But after this post and reading the comments it is clear to me that unless a different type of Republican gets elected, we are going to get CRUSHED in November. Too many of the Republicans think that the Bush Administration and foreign adventurism will survive the current political upheaval. Only Paul appeals across the aisle.

You may think Hillary's negatives will help, but those will disappear in the first Republican/Democrat debate when the Republican starts talking about the War on Terror. Really, I see no reason to join you people who oppose Paul - It looks like the next President will be Obama or Clinton. And as upsetting as that is, its worse that those Socialists will likely gain an increased majority in the Congress as well. Congratulations warmongers! First you lose the Congess, then you lose the Presidency, finally you lose Iraq. You sure know how to lose!

to jdw
"Here's a history lesson for you; wars MAKE money.
More often than not, they help the economy (which is why Roosevelt was so desperate to get us into WWII, another immoral and illegal war no doubt.)" - jdw

Here's an economics lesson for you; wars don't MAKE money, they COST money!

They don't help the economy any more than a terrorist attack; unless you think borrowing money to buy weapons is a net plus. I'd like to see you run your houshold economy by borrowing money to pay bills. Eventually, you will be borrowing money to pay the interest on borrowed money, and then you will understand the problem with deficit spending and why our credit rating (the value of our currency) continues to nose-dive

true conservatism
I keep hearing about wanting smaller government (homeland security, anyone?), and a hands-off approach to business (howz-about a nice, fat farm bill?), and religious freedom (which christo-fascist is your favorite?). Somehow I'm not convinced.

I don't even pretend to understand the delusional GOP voters. Keep up the bigoted, mysogynistic, racist, war-mongering and fight it out to the death among yourselves. Maybe then you'll leave this godlessinfidelqueer alone, and I can go back to being the patriotic, red-blooded American I've been right along.

War and Peace

2008 elections
I remember when my Political awakening very well… I was about twelve when my Father who I knew was a “Democrat” – but I sure did not know what that meant, called me into the living room to watch a debate between Carter and Reagan. I recall that Reagan struck me immediately as a very transparent, honest man, an incredible optimist, and one who had no problem with his religion. He knew that his Faith was the most important part of who he was and that it would guide him in making wise choices for our nation. Since my coming of age, I have voted about 97% Republican, 2% third party, and 1% Democrat. I remember many times over the last twenty years when my concerns over the candidates for President, Congress, Governor, etc, were not to my liking, and when I feared the direction that BOTH parties were going. I often asked people whom I respected greatly, about whether or not they would vote for this third party or that Extremely Conservative candidate. I always got the same answer – “I wouldn’t waste my vote, on someone who cannot win the nomination”, or “…who couldn’t win the election”. They always made it sound soo profound and wise….
…The more I have thought about it, and the more I have asked people this question, the more I came to realize that I could no longer compromise my vote. If everyone who has used the “wasted vote argument, were to vote for a third party candidate.

I CANNOT vote for Guiliani, McCain, Huckabee, Romney, or Thompson. They are ALL WAY TOO Liberal. I have been looking very carefully at Alan Keyes. He's the only Republican other than maybe Hunter - I could vote for. Otherwise, I will either write in Alan Keyes, or vote US Constitution Party, US Tax payers Party, or America First Party. Please consider these things carefully and prayerfully. Check out the website http://www.alankeyes.

Remember Liar, Liar
Very funny movie, Lawyer who cannot lie for 24 hours. How about radio talk show hosts who cannot say "Reagan" or "Conservative" for a SINGLE hour. I am sick of the R-word. Yes, the red headed saint who gave real amnesty to 20 million illegals and then extended the deadline. I lived in a 98 percent hispanic neighborhood at the time. I KNOW what happenned. Check L.O.Donald Elementary in Dallas if you don't believe my stats. All you needed was a utility bill. It didn't have to be in your name, just say that was a fake name you used. Or get the guy who did pay the bill to sign that you lived with him. THAT was the real R-word. Kennedy on the Supreme Court. Run like a rabbit when they bombed the marines in Beruit. PAY THE TERRORIST BRIBE to get the hostages released. WAKE UP, AMERICA. Talk about real solutions to TODAY'S problems. Shut up about the R-word. Shut up about the C-word.

McCain's Pro-Choice Comments - with Link
Here’s the link (at bottom) that every republican should be aware of. It concerns a debate between Bush, Keyes and McCain on 2.5.2000. All we hear about are Romney’s flip-flops, but McCain is just as bad, and has none of the positives that Romney has. In the aforementioned debate McCain attacks Bush for supporting the pro-life plank of the platform. He then specifically says that abortion is a choice for the family.



"MCCAIN: I told you this once before, Alan, and I'm sorry I have to tell you again; I've seen enough killing in my life, a lot more than you have. I know -- I know how valuable and precious human life is, and I will not listen to your lectures about how I should treat this very important issue of the sanctity of human life. So, I hope you'll give me the respect that I give you and do not bring, please, my daughter into it.



It's a family decision. Thank you very much.


KEYES: See, but it's a family decision...

(APPLAUSE)"



ONE YEAR BEFORE THIS HE SAID THAT HE WOULD NOT OVERTURN ROE


Go to: http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0002/15/lkl.00.html

McCain's Character
He admitted on 60 minutes that he committed adultery, at times when his wife was recovering from a serious automobile accident. He divorced in his early 40s and married a woman 17 years his junior.

The Keating five scandal involved his trying to pull strings with regulators investigating Charles Keating's S & L. Keating had made over $100,000 in contributions to McCain. Moreover, McCain's family had hundreds of thousands more invested with Keating. This was a purely greedy endeavor, for which McCain received a rebuke from the senate. Today, he would have been kicked out (and McCain would be leading the charge).

Yep, it looks like President
Hillary. The GOP devours itself.

I cant go back now!



First a correction on just one of Medved's miss quotes that Rush said. Michael said " Rush critisizes McCain for working with dems " Rush actually said " when McCain reaches out to dems its usually the dems policies that win "
I agree. Conservatives keep compromising with moderates and we get the finger and McCain. McCain keeps compromising with liberal dems and he gets the nomination to lead conservatives as President! "If we win" Something is terrably wrong here.
Before I voted for Bush's first term, I was a union dem. The dems took a far left turn and never stoped. Listening to Rush and other conservative leaders won me over. It was the conservative ideas and arguements.
It's hard to watch my party go from Regan, to Bush 1, to Bush 2, and now to McCain! Regan ran with core ideas and values and led a movement! If you want to know if your a true leader, look back and see who is following you.
I'm not following McCain and I know a lot of the base isnt either.
Some may argue " your voting for Hillary " NO! I'm voting for more loyal conservative when you put one out. If it means local conservatives like congress ect.
Some say what about the troops? Our best hope is nominating conservatives to the House and Senate.
What about judges? We have the four youngest on the bench. If we cant get a candidate to unite behind, maby our children will have to do it because our leaders in washington have lost their way.
It's an easy decision for me to make because I know I have a core foundation with faith and conservatism. Bisides, if you dont stand for something, you will stand for anything!
So my new moto is " I will stand with all the Shadrak, Mesac and Abednego's and not bow to the worship of the idea " we need a moderate to lead us " and to win the Presidency!
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